March 31, 2025 • 44 mins
We look ahead to the second derby match and assess our chances. We also talk about which Everton players we expect to leave in the future, and which we want to stay.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to episode 84 of the Blues Brothers Everton
podcast.
I'm Austin, your host.
Glad to be with you again, Andy.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi Austin, I'm good.
Thank you, yeah, just in themiddle of me, three days off
work this week.
Did an overtime shift onTuesday.
It was an expensive month lastmonth for car repairs and
caravan service and basicallyeverything we own with a set of
wheels all needed repairing andfixing at the same time.
But we're through that periodnow and just in the process of
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trying to pay for it all.
But, yeah, looking forward tochatting, good things, all
things.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Everton, the lines have crossed financially again,
which is always good news.
Adam, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm all right.
Yeah, I'm good thanks.
Like Andrew, I have car-relatednews.
I've purchased a new car, whichhas been a long time.
This is the one you werewaiting for, right?
Yeah, I just ended up buying itmyself, finding one, and then I
went up to Pontefract a coupleof Tuesdays ago and, yeah, I
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liked it, bought it there andthen no pissing about.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's the way.
Awesome Ben can't be with us,so three of us are going to
crack on.
We're recording this onThursday, so we're in the middle
of it.
It's a weird time because wehaven't played for a couple of
weeks and the West Ham game isthe last game.
Dear listener, if you'rewaiting for us to review the
West Ham game, we're not goingto.
Two reasons One, it was shit.
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And two, none of us can reallyremember anything other than it
was shit.
A mate of mine, steve big up toSteve, I know he listens One of
the New York Evertoniansmanaged to get there to go to
Goodison for the last time withhis girlfriend, jen, and it was
the first time she'd gone.
So, uh, it was good for thatand glad that we got an
equalizer, but we're not reallygoing to talk about that game.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Just on that note, actually, one of my uh the
driver trainer at the company Iwork for is an everton fan and
he was asking if both ticketsever come up, um to let him know
.
So him and the transportmanager um could go, because lee
the driver trainer wanted to goto goodison one.
So him and the transportmanager could go, because Lee,
the driver trainer wanted to goto Goodison one last time and
Nick the manager had never been.
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So they both went to the WestHam game and enjoyed the
experience.
But they can confirm that thegame was indeed shit.
Nick at one point turned to Leeand said I thought this was
supposed to be a Premier Leaguegame.
If I want to watch League Twofootball, I can go to watch
Grimsby Town, the team Iactually support, which probably
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tells you all you need to know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here we are talking about it.
West Ham aren't very good andGraham Potter has not really
done his thing there yet.
And the Everton players, ifthey literally roll out, I mean
I think they'll be up for theDerby, but after that, if they
actually turn up wearingflip-flops, I wouldn't be
surprised.
I think we'll maybe do.
Okay, derby's a big game.
I think the Southampton game athome is a big game because it's
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the last game at Gooders and Ifancy us.
In both those games I thinkwe've done well, despite the
fact we've been pretty poor forthe last few weeks.
We keep grinding out points,which is fine, yeah, gloriously,
doesn't fucking matter.
So, uh, we're not really gonnatalk about it that much.
We are going to talk about theground, um, the bramley moore
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dock, which is the other testevent.
Actually, before we get on tothat, I should mark momentous
occasion.
Uh, we got a new high-poweredevertonian, the prime minister
of canada, mark car, bigEvertonian, actual big
Evertonian, not just one ofthese people that you hear, like
Sylvester Stallone, who wore ascarf once.
His family are from Liverpool,he's a big Everton fan and he
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wrote a letter.
I mean, it was not that longago when we got Dr Points last
season.
He wrote a letter in protest.
So, if he can, I mean not thathe achieved anything, but he's
going to bring that attitude todealing with Donald Trump.
His letter was very good,actually.
You should look it up.
So, yeah, I just wanted to.
Congratulations to Mark, who'sthe prime minister of Canada for
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at least a month.
Maybe not much longer than that, but we'll see.
Yeah, the grant.
A month, uh, maybe not muchlonger than that, but we'll see.
Um, yeah, the ground.
So we're the other second testevent um story from the first
test event.
I'm sure you guys heard this,but there's a guy, uh, a good
family friend of ours, a guycalled pete lewis who was um,
sat behind us at goodison foryears and he's a.
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Our dad worked with p.
We've all known him for a longtime.
Bless him.
He managed to stretch thedefinition of test event at the
first test game by getting allthe way up to the top of the
South stand where his seat was,and falling over and cracking
his head open, becoming thefirst customer for the medical
center at Bramley Moor Dock,gave him nine stitches and he
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saw none of the game whatsoever.
He's doing, apparently doinggreat.
So Pete was tested it, yeah,but singing test with you, that
are they day.
I don't know if you guys haveheard anything.
I have a couple of friends ofmine who had people who were
there, so I've kind of had acouple of conversations with
folks about it.
But any thoughts on what we'veseen from that test event?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
yeah, as I said a moment ago, just before we
started recording, all I know isthat the test event happened
and they were going to test thefire alarm and the stadium
evacuation in the second half,but, um, I don't actually know
anything about how that sort ofprocedure went on.
So if either of you two do know, then I'm all ears.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean they stopped the game.
The referee was weird.
The referee blew the whistle on65 minutes.
It was an under-21s game.
Everton were winning 1-0.
They'd scored just before that,so it was a bit weird, but
understandably they played ahalf 45 minutes.
They came out for a second halfOn 65 minutes.
The referee blew the whistlefor full time and they evacuated
the stadium.
So everyone left.
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So the coverage stoppedApparently went very, very
smoothly and also there's been alot of stuff around the
transport which I think is goingto be a problem.
But a good friend of mine's dadwas there and got the train up
to Sandhills and his view was itwas no problem at all, it was
totally fine.
Now that's with 25,000 people,so that's half capacity.
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So we'll have to see how itplays out, but everything I've
heard has been good.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, because I can't remember what was discussed on
my last pod regarding transport,but you can walk to Liverpool
City Centre in half an hour, soI imagine that's what a lot of
people are going to do.
Rather than queue at sandhillsfor a train, they can just walk
to lime street or james streetor whatever and just, uh, just
get on with transport from thereI think um, what I've seen it's
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the?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
um.
There's been a lot of talkabout the steepness of the
stands.
I think it's basically as steepas it can go legally without
watching the Quidditch World Cupfrom one of those Harry Potter
films, and it makes a hugedifference.
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I went to the Mestalla a numberof years ago and I was sat up
in the gods there.
But that is fucking.
That's fucking steep as welland you really feel that even
though you're high up, you'rejust really on top of stuff.
And obviously that was thepurpose of Dan Mice's creation.
Of course was to try and on topof stuff, and obviously that's
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the.
That was the purpose of um.
Dan mice's uh creation, ofcourse was uh, to try and um to
um recreate that that good.
You know the, the atmosphere,which obviously has sort of
waned over the last 10 years, inmy opinion, um, but I have no
doubt that it will come back.
And you know the, the blue wallof 13,000 seats looks
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absolutely incredible.
So yeah, I think, from whatI've read about the second test
event, the club said it wentreally really well.
I think there's obviously aquestion mark over the, over the
you know transport and stuff,because, as you know, it's um,
you know the the stadium is, ithas the area, has the stadium
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and then not a lot else.
Um, I think there's been talkabout plans for a new railway
station, um, in uh voxel.
My geography of uh my, mygeography of liverpool isn't
fantastic um, so I'm not exactlysure where that is, but that's
part of the plan and obviouslythe last thing they're going to
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want is going to be those sortof transport issues that you
might see, if I'm sure, if, likeyou know, spurs can, spurs can
manage it with a, with a crap,with a.
When, when white heart lanewent from you know 40, 35 000 up
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to uh, up to 60 000 um inlondon, I'm sure if they can
manage it, it'll be one of thetop things that they're they're
looking at to ensure doesn'tcause any any particular any
problems I mean, I think thethink the challenge they've got
is that the city council arejust way behind where they
should be on this like waybehind and you know, I think,
that they're obviouslyscrambling to catch up.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The thing I'm surprised hasn't been talked
about, and I won't be surprisedif it doesn't start to become
part of the answer is runningferries because there's a.
It's a dock.
Yeah, you, you could.
I'm not an engineer, but, likeyou can see how, on the side of
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the stadium, where there's aside that sort of sticks out
into the water, obviously wherethe old dock wall is, which I
think is where basically theteam buses are going to drive
around the water, obviouslywhere the old dock wall is,
which I think is where basicallythe team buses are going to
drive around, there's no reasonat all in theory why you
couldn't have uh, put a, a, youknow, a dock on there and have
ferries running from uh, from,uh, from the city.
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Now it might not, it might besix or one, because you've got
to get from lime street down topierhead to get on the ferry.
But it seems like I mean, howlong do you think a new train
line or new train station wouldtake in this country?
I mean, we'll be moving to thenext stadium by the time they've
got that built, whereas theriver is there.
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So I mean, I imagine whatthey're going to do and we've
said this before is just closethe roads and we're going to
ship out the buses.
Yeah, I'm sure that's whatthey're going to do, because it
is a relatively catastrophicshot up there to get up there on
the bus.
So I'm sure that's what they'regoing to do, but the no doubt
the pressure is on the citycouncil because everton's it's
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not everton's responsibility andand it's not like being a
surprise that we've beenbuilding this thing or when it
was going to open.
So Steve Rotherham will beunder serious pressure if this
turns into a shit show on thefirst day.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, totally, and also it should be the catalyst.
I'm sure it will be thecatalyst for a lot of economic
growth in that area andtransport has a potential to
stifle that if it's.
If they're not um, you know, ifthey're not careful yeah, and
it should.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
You know there'll be a lot going on.
I mean, I saw the other daythey're going to host, we're
going to host one of the rugbygames excuse me, not in october,
when australia are touring.
So they're obviously it's goingto be a place that other things
are going to happen and andit's obviously on the um.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
it's going to be a Euro 2028 venue, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, and I think it's spec to be a Champions
League ground as well.
Yeah, not with Everton in theChampions League.
No, the stadium might play inthe Champions League.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Um so yeah, I know, go on, adam.
Sorry, that's right, and I wasuh, I can say that there's one
more.
I think, uh, there's one moretest event which is like I think
it's near capacity, yeah, overthe summer, sometime over the
summer.
So, and obviously, like yousaid, there'll be.
You know there's going to be,you know gigs and other things
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that are going on as well.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, just on that point, talk about other
celebrity Evertonians.
Billy Joe Armstrong, front manof Green Day.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He's an Evertonian.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Didn't know that.
Straight on how, yeah, how, howdoes that happen?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I believe there was.
I can't remember the exactdetails why, but he is an
Evertonian.
We'll just take a word for it.
Yeah, so Green Day gig atBramley Moor Dock.
Sign me up for that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, we need to replace Zed Cars with the
Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Highly appropriate.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, the other thing I liked a couple things on the
the picture, the steepness ofthe stadium.
Again, a friend of mine's was.
I heard from a guy who a friendof mine who was there, who said
it was like the word that wasused like fucking unbelievable
and how steep, how steep it was.
Basically it was like climbinga ladder, basically getting up
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there, but you've actually gotquite a lot of space when you
sit down.
There's quite a lot of leg room.
Yeah, but it's steep.
And the other thing about itbeing steeper, course, is you've
not got someone's head in frontof you.
So this is part of having greatviews is people's heads are
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going to be and the SpursStadium is like this, which is
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I noticed that when I was at the Spurs Stadium
back in January.
So you climb up the stairs fromthe concourse, turn around and
look up and it's like lookingalmost like about to go on like
a Via Ferrata on the side of analpine mountain somewhere.
Just right, I'll get mycrampons on and clip myself onto
a safety line and hoist myselfup.
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But once you're absolutelyright, once you're sat down,
you've just got an uninterruptedview of the pitch because
everybody else is below you, andit's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So I'm really excited To everyone.
I mean, everything I've heardhas been great, and I loved as
well the shithousery of usserving hot dogs with blue
ketchup, which is Seriously, Ididn't know that was a thing
that's fantastic, fuckingperfect, isn't it?
Of course you think about itlike we could have done that all
the time, probably should havedone it.
But like, yeah, the hot dogshave blue ketchup on.
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Of course they fucking do yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You see, like?
Of course you should not, youknow, like.
The obvious question is whatfood colouring is that?
But of course the answer is ifit's blue ketchup at Everton's
Ground, you don't care.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I don't get it.
Do you think the red ketchupwas red because of all the
tomatoes in it?
No, they made it green.
Remember when Heinz made greentomato ketchup?
Remember that?
I do remember that.
So, yeah, the stadium looksgreat.
I'm really excited to be thereand it's really nice that I
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really don't give a shit aboutwhat's happened on the pitch.
But we should, because this isthe last pub we'll do before the
derby, which is next Wednesday.
It's miserable.
We should talk about it.
How are we feeling?
And particularly, you know,there's some, I don't know.
I mean, liverpool are going towin the league, but there's some
.
There's more tension over therethan there should be, I would
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say, for a team that are like 20, however many points they are
ahead in the league, becauseobviously they lost to Newcastle
, went out to PSG.
All the Trent Alexander-Arnoldstuff this week has got everyone
wound right up.
So how are we feeling aboutAdam?
I'll start this with you.
How are we feeling about thederby next week?
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I just don't know how to thinkabout it because, all things
being equal, obviously we getbattered, but maybe tell me if
it's not going to be that way Idon't think it will be that way.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Um, liverpool are clear favorites because they're
the better team, um and um, andthey will be.
And they'll be hurtingmassively because you know they
had a really shitty week a fewweeks back when they obviously
were comfortably beaten over twolegs by PSG and obviously all
the talk around and accuratetalk as well around potential
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complacency at that stage of theseason because the only other
actual real quality team thatthey've played this season was
Real Madrid and they beat them2-0.
But then they come up againstan absolutely excellent PSG side
and get turned over twice,albeit, obviously, the away leg,
which was the biggest robbery Ithink I've ever seen, and then
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obviously losing to Newcastle,when again they should have been
favourites, especially becauseNewcastle had several key
players out injured.
So they'll be really hurtingand obviously that's the sort of
perfect game for them to tryand do some damage.
But I don't think it willhappen because I think we are a
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much different side than the onethat we've had a couple of
months ago under Sean Dyche.
Moyes has really turned usaround and if Moyes has always
been one thing, he's always beendefensively solid and made us
organise, and we're also goingto have.
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Obviously, there's been theinternational break, but you
could probably count the numberof players, like from our squad
that have been away just like on, you know, certainly on both of
your hands.
So you will have had an awfullot of time on the pitch, on the
training ground, for thoseplayers.
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Um, looking at um, you knowtactics and structure and things
like that, those sort of thingsthat you need.
That Moyes, absolutely, youknow, loves to, uh, you know,
grind out a result for one of abetter term, um, so no, I don't
think, I don't think it's gonna.
I don't think it's going to, uh, we're gonna get battered.
I think it'll be a closer gamethan perhaps a lot of people
think it will be.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Andy being as optimistic as that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I am actually.
Yeah, I think we will go intothe game with a defensive
solidity and a plan to sit backand frustrate Liverpool, which
will mean I don't think they'regoing to absolutely steamroller
us by four or five goals.
Being realistic, I still expectthem to win because they are
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the better team, and I was justlooking at the reminding myself
of the league table.
I mean they've got a 12-pointlead with nine games to go.
So it would have to be aspectacular collapse, greater
than the one that Newcastle didunder Kevin Keegan in the 90s.
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It would have to be worse thanthat for them not to win the
league from this position.
So I still expect them to winthe match.
But having said that, if we gointo the game with, you know,
good defensive shape, gooddefensive solidity and the
ability to do something on thecounter-attack, then you never
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know.
Does anybody know if N'Jai'sgoing to be back or is he still
out?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I don't think we heard anything.
We won't probably know untilthe press conference.
So yeah, don't know is my longway of answering a very simple
question.
It would make a big differenceif we did, because he is the
difference, I think, between uswinning a bunch of games and
drawing a bunch of games.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, and I was again just thinking.
I think we've scored as well inevery game since Moyes has been
at the club.
And again, if Alexander-Arnoldplays which you imagine he will,
but some of the Liverpool fansaren't happy about him going off
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to Real Madrid.
I mean, I don't understand that.
I mean, if Real Madrid comesfor you, you've basically got to
say yes because it's RealMadrid, and any fan who believes
otherwise is just deluded.
It's as simple as that, becauseyou're basically guaranteed to
win the Champions League and alittle leaguer, if nothing else.
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So if he plays, will that havean effect in terms of his level
of performance?
Who knows?
A couple of months ago itlooked as if we had almost no
hope and Liverpool were going tocomfortably defeat us.
But I share Adam's view thatit's not quite the sort of open
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and shut game that it might haveappeared, and I wouldn't be
surprised if we end up with Imean, we've drawn a few games,
one all recently under Moyes.
I wouldn't be at all surprisedif or pleasantly surprised, I
should say I do think Liverpoolwill win, but a 1-0 draw
wouldn't entirely surprise meeither.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, there are reasons why we haven't lost in
nine games, which is we don'tgive up.
And I was really coming back tothe West Ham game that I
confidently predicted wewouldn't talk about.
It was another good example ofI mean, we were shit and nothing
was really.
Coming back to the West Hamgame that I confidently
predicted we wouldn't talk about.
It was another good example ofI mean, we were shit and nothing
was working, but they keptgoing and particularly we had
players in the box.
You know we had a couple oftimes O'Brien Tarkovsky in the
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derby.
We've had people in the boxtowards the end of the game
trying to get a goal and it'sworked out more than it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and just on the point of Jacob Ryan, actually
it's worth giving him a shoutout because he was obviously
signed under Dyche.
You know how much input Dychehad to that signing is open to
some debate.
There's speculation it wasThelwell who brought him to the
club, but you know he broughthim to the club.
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He was brought to the club athis behest rather than anything
Dyche wanted.
But for whatever reason he waspersona non grata under Dyche.
He's come into the team underMoyes playing out of a position
at right-back, doing a fine jobout there in a position that's
been a problem for us becauseyou think of all the players we
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had playing out there, there wasAshley Young, uh, patterson's
been in there.
Seamus Coleman has been inthere.
There's been a whole host ofplayers that we've discussed on
pods.
He was going to play right back.
It's been a problem for sixmillion years.
I know Brian's come in, done adecent job and chipped in with a
couple of important goals.
So yeah, and that reflectsreally badly on Dyche the fact
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that Moyes has come in andinstantly got something out of a
player that Dyche had formonths and just wasn't doing
anything with at all.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How do you guys listen to Dyche on?
He was on the Restless Footballwith Gary Lineker a couple of
days ago.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Not listening to that , no.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's interesting.
It's worth listening to.
I wouldn't say it does anything.
My view on Dyche stays the same.
They'll change your view onDyche.
I like him as a guy.
I think he's a limited manager,but it's a good interview in
terms of you talked a lot abouthis childhood and his history
and how he got started in thegame and some of the challenges
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he's had in the way.
That's worth listening to.
They almost don't talk aboutEverton at all, which is maybe
better for everyone all around.
I agree, Andy, on Jake O'Brien.
He's obviously a very talentedguy and it'll be interesting and
a good segue for us to.
The last thing we want to talkabout today is some summer stuff
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.
So I'll ask you guys twoquestions and, Andy, I'll start
with you, Answer them inwhatever order you want.
Do you think Branthwaite willstay this summer or do you think
he'll leave?
And what do you want the clubto do about Abdullahi Dikori?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
answering the Brantwick one at the risk of
giving a sitting on the fenceanswer.
I think it depends if a clubcomes in for him and what money
they offer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Thank you for that that's a real insight.
It is, but you know exactlywhat I mean.
It's a fucking groundbreakerthat one Carry on.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But listen, you know exactly what I mean.
If a club comes in with a largeoffer that we can't refuse,
then the club will sell.
That's true of any player.
I mean, how long is hiscontract?
Did he sign a new contract thisseason, or have I made?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
that up.
He's got another four years.
He's got a long time on hiscontract Right long time, or
maybe three years.
It's a long time.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So I don't think he'll be agitated to move.
Personally, I only think he'llmove if a club comes in and
makes us an offer that we can'trefuse, which is a good
permission for Everton to be in,because I've heard no hint that
he's looking to move or nofeelers out that he's looking to
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move.
So I think he'll stay, becauseI don't think and in one sense I
thought he was very unlucky notto get in the England squad for
the Albanian and Latvia games.
But on the flip side, if he'skept out the public eye, then
maybe he's more likely to stayif he's a little bit less in the
public eye.
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I don't know.
And on the Decore question,he's 30, is he 33 or 32?
I think he's 32.
32.
I mean it's yeah.
I mean you could offer him aone-year contract, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, they've declined to extend it by a year.
So the club have got a yearextension which they're not
going to activate.
So, presumably they want him tostay, maybe, but for less money.
Less money, yeah, I guessthat's the kind of maybe.
More specific question is if hecosts us because we don't know
what to call his pay but we knowhe's one of our highest paid
players, so he's probably on 150a week or something.
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If it's two thirds that, do youkeep him or do you think we
take that potential spend and gosomewhere else?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If that's the question, then I would take that
spend because you could almostcertainly sign a player who's as
good, that's younger, fortwo-thirds of Decorah's wages.
So if that's the answer to yourquestion because I'd actually
forgotten he was out of contractat the end of this summer and
they declined to offer theextension.
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So, yeah, if he doesn't acceptlower wages, then I would be
quite happy for the club to seesort of you know, say thanks
very much for your service,shake his hand and you know, see
you later.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thanks for keeping us in the league, adam thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, on the Brantford way.
I understand Andrew's point andoptimism, but I think Brantford
way will go.
I understand Andrew's point andoptimism, but I think
Branthwaite will go, not becausewe need the money, because I
think our prudence over the lastcouple of transfer windows
(27:52):
being the only team in theleague, for example, to actually
make a profit in the lastcouple of seasons, and the
increased revenue from thestadium, means that I don't
think we actually need, we don'tneed to sell to.
We don't need to sell to buy inthe same way that we may have
done in the last couple of a fewtransfer windows.
(28:14):
I just think that there's a lotof factors that mean that he
will be extremely sought afterand um, you know the, the, the,
the fact he's left-footed, um,what means a huge premium?
Because a lot of, a lot of team, more and more teams are
playing, like you know, widercenter backs.
(28:34):
Now he's a ball playing centerback which has always been, over
the last decade or so, a hugepull.
Um, he's got the englishpremium which soccer domics
tells us, you know, has.
Um, uh means that players are uh, automatically, um, inflating
their prices.
Um, and he's.
He's very young and I thinkhe's got a real fan.
He's got a very, very levelhead the fact that he could have
(28:56):
done an Anthony Gordon anddowned tools last summer when
United had those two bidsrejected, but at no point did he
ever give any sort of inklingthat he wanted to leave.
So I think we've got a fantasticprofessional, a fantastic
player, and our financialposition means that we can, um,
(29:18):
we can demand a high price forhim and I think this season he's
shown, you know, played, he'splayed his uh, he's really
played his role in in, uh,giving us the um things like the
fifth we're the fifth or sixthuh, best defense in the league.
I think.
So fair to say that him andtarkovsky have been fantastic
and, uh, brantham Waite hasprobably been the better of the
two.
(29:38):
Um, and you know Thelwell'sastuteness, uh, with signing a
ready-made replacement in JakeO'Brien means that we don't
really have to worry about umreplacing him.
So, um, I think we're in a goodposition.
Um, you know, if we keep him,great, if we sell him, it'll be
for a lot of money.
So, um, and you know, we are awe're a bottom half of the
(30:00):
league team and it's unrealisticto expect us to keep future
England starting centre-backs atthe club, unfortunately yeah so
and then under Corey, I really,I really like, you know I like
to, I do likecore, I think he'sa fantastic professional, but
(30:22):
you know, so would I mean, sowould you know.
Scott Gemmel was a fantasticprofessional, gareth Farrelly
was a fantastic professional,you know they weren't, but they.
There comes a time when that,there comes a time when that,
(30:43):
where things tip and, uh, youare looking for more technical
players and unfortunately, decorey, I think, has shown this
season that he's technically notup to standard anymore.
I think, positionally he's verygood, he, you know he's he drag
, he presses really well, hetriggers a press, he's obviously
a real leader.
He's obviously very, verypopular and the fact that Moyes
obviously likes him as wellshows there's a lot of qualities
(31:06):
to perhaps the players on thefootballing side of things that
we don't necessarily see.
But I would be getting rid ofhim first and foremost because
of the footballing side ofthings, but also the money as
well, because I can't see himtaking anything less than half
his pay and whatever you turn onyour source that you read, but
he's on anything between £6million and £7.5 million, £8
(31:31):
million a year.
So if you're looking at that,yeah, exactly, and even while
there's rights to say, well, whyshould I, you know, why should
I?
Half my wage for a year, andyou know that would be the
absolute minimum that I wouldtake is, like you know, putting
him on two or three, bringinghim down to about three, two,
(31:51):
three million a year, to behonest, because he should be a
squad player.
So he's the one.
He's, I think, because heshould be a squad player, he's
the one.
I think.
For me it's a pretty open-shutcase.
Thanks very much, abdoulaye.
You've been fantastic, youreally have been fantastic over
the last seven years Sorry, sixyears, and thanks for the
(32:20):
Bournemouth goal.
But yeah, you know, please,it's been brilliant, but see you
later.
I think the other one that'smore probably concerning, I
think we should make more effortto keep hold of, is Idrissa
Gueye, because I think he's beenever since moise has come back.
(32:41):
He's been absolutely incredible, like some of his like, even,
even even his age that he is,and I think he's a year older
than decor.
I think he's like 34, somethinglike that yeah, I think yeah, I,
he's reading of the game is sois incredible and like when
you've got that suchunderstanding, like the mobility
side of things doesn't matteras much.
(33:02):
We saw that with, do youremember with Alan, who is
basically legs had just turnedto like dildos by the time of
his career.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Not concrete yeah, rubber dildo yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And he was never the player that we we thought we
were getting, but but gay justseems to be like just time.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's brilliant as well because he's uh.
So you know someone?
Uh, I saw on a forum someoneearlier on today.
Someone used the phrasegabamining it to mean someone
who's something always being twoweeks away which deserves wider
audience.
(33:45):
Because, of course, the beautyof Idrissa Gay is, you know, we
sold him, we struggled toreplace him and then we finally
did replace him two years laterwith him with himself.
Yeah, that was.
It was a dark period when wewere without him.
So, and I agree, he's beenfantastic.
I mean, he can't shoot for shit, and I think he's realised now
because he's a lot.
There's a moment in every gamenow where he could shoot and he
(34:08):
doesn't.
So I think someone's had a word, but I agree he's.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't know how you can be so bad at shooting.
Like you know, I play footballon a Friday night.
I used to play for a Sundayleague team and, like some of
the, they're just blokes thatare just kicking about and they
can ping one in from 20 yardsinto a top corner.
Yeah, it's like how can you notdo that?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, or the very most professional footballer at
the top level.
Yeah, At the very least hit ashot so it doesn't balloon 20
yards over the bar.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're totally right, I played years ago.
I played in a charity matchwith Dean Ashton and Nigel
Winterburn.
Oh wow, dean Ashton was on DeanAshton's team and he played
like 20 minutes.
His ankles he had really badinjuries His ankles.
(34:59):
Both of them had been fused sothat his ankles didn't move A
little bit left, right the guy.
He was like a penguin.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yes, he ran like Donald Duck.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Literally no force to move his ankles.
He ran rings around us firstthing.
But also we got a free kick atone point.
He didn't really run, obviously, because he couldn't, but he
was brilliant.
We got a free kick about 30yards out and he said to me just
roll that to me like threeyards.
So I sort of took it left footjust across and without he just
(35:37):
didn't even no, run up, bang topcorner, you know, and it's like
that is the difference, youknow.
So you're right, it's like wildthat a Drissagay can't yeah, he
can't shoot, he just obviouslyit's something about his center
of gravity.
He just leans back too much.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But I suspect he'll mean I think obviously there's a
bunch of bones obviously gonnago.
I'm sure this will be coleman'slast season.
Actually, young, uh, michaelkeen, I think, is probably
another one, but the gay, Ithink probably will, will stay,
um, and I'm sure dcl will, dclwill go.
Uh, all right, anything elsefor anything else that we should
(36:17):
talk about before we wrap thisup.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I just want to mention the go back to the
Alexander Arnold thing because,like it is for that, like some
of the full fans, heads havefallen clean.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh my god which is it is they do.
It is their thing for theirheads to fall, like it really is
them, and man United fans justcarry on there was quite a
popular thing.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I think there's anfield talk.
I think it was a sorry tiktokvideo earlier where they, they,
these guys were just reading outthese uh tweets from um quite
popular uh liverpool podcasts orfanzines and things like that.
One of them was like he should,he shouldn't be on the, he
shouldn't be allowed to playever again for Liverpool, he
(37:00):
shouldn't be on the bench, heshouldn't be allowed for the
victory parade, he should haveto watch Liverpool at home on
his sofa at home on the telly.
And that's it.
Another one was like uh, youknow, they've started the
(37:22):
started.
The um started with us at six.
Uh, and is now we're gonnaleave.
Uh, we're gonna um lose 115million million pound player.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Uh, for nothing, rat, yeah the fact is he helped you
win lots of trophies and donereally well.
All of a sudden that doesn'tmatter anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean all teams havebeen.
You know some of Liverpool's,some of Liverpool have bought,
had loads of players that were,you know, free transfers.
Like James Milner was there foreight years, he was a free
transfer from Villa.
There's a couple of otherexamples as well over the years
(38:05):
where they bought reallyimportant.
Matip was another one I wasreading as well.
Like Joel Matip, he got him ona free transfer.
It happens to everyone.
It's really shit.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
When it happens, it must be awful If you think about
the implication of that thought, right, which is he's a
Liverpool fan.
I mean, he wasn't, he's neverTony, and actually, but you know
, he signed with a kid.
What you're saying is he shouldaccept whatever offer the club
gives him, because that'sobviously the case, right?
(38:35):
Yeah, totally.
Whatever he's been offered,offered he doesn't want.
If they offered him a billionpounds a day, he'd sign for them
, right?
So there's some line where hewould.
What you're saying is he shouldaccept that, and that's not
loyalty, that's a cult.
You know, it's like it's thatit's a really bizarre worldview
to have.
And it's not like he's out inthe press saying, oh, actually,
(38:57):
you know, liver, liverpool werea bunch of wankers and their
fans all smell like cheese.
You know, it's like he's playedhis contract and he just
doesn't want to sign another onebecause he wants to go to
Liverpool and he's in his prime.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He's 27.
He's won everything he can withLiverpool.
It makes logical sense that heshould leave.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And the one that he really needs to worry about more
is Mo Salah.
Well, and they've got I meanthey've got.
You know, I agree with Salah.
I agree Van Dijk is also aproblem.
Van Dijk's easier to replace.
I think there's morecentre-halves than there are
strikers.
I'd be a bit worried, if it'sperverse to say it, because
they're going to win the league.
But there's something in this,because clearly these players'
(39:41):
contracts are not gettingrenewed at the level.
There are no offers that matchtheir previous.
Now Salah is still at the topof his game Now.
He won't be forever, but rightnow he is.
There is clearly a change inwhat Liverpool's owners are
prepared to fund in terms of thewage bill of the club.
(40:01):
It's obviously going to belower in the future than it has
been up until now, and that'swhy you've ended up with
arguably their three bestplayers, three most important
players, being out of contractand probably all three of them
will leave, and I think thatwill be a tricky.
I don't think the next sort oftwo or three years are going to
(40:21):
be as rosy for liverpool as theymay look like they are now,
because you know, if that's thecase, then you're going to end
up with a marginally worse squadstill probably a very, very
good squad and slots a goodmanager, but they're not going
to have, you know, they're goingto replace Mo Salah with
someone of that quality.
I can't think of how you do it,because who is it?
(40:41):
Who's that good?
You know there's so fewstrikers, and are they going to
have 200 million pounds to spend?
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
So it's going to be I think a real problem.
It's not their model to pay,it's not really their model.
Don't think there's any more topay such amounts for them, and
there will be.
I mean, obviously, winning theleague is fantastic, but there
is a in the back of my mind.
I've always thought, like howmuch is the cop system still
having an influence there?
And slot taking?
(41:14):
People say that things havebeen seamless for them.
And they have, and theyseemingly, and they seemingly
have.
But as we saw with martinez,you know, martinez in the first,
in the in our first season,came fifth because it was he
brought in his flair.
But there was also that, that,that those deck, that those um,
just over a decade of moisessystem in play, uh, on a squad
(41:36):
of players.
And then obviously it startedto unravel when that got eroded.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So there's that question mark over it as well.
Yeah, fuck those guys.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Just one other thing as well about the derby that has
just sprung to mind is um, thereferee is a gentleman called
sam barrett who is only in hissecond season refereeing premier
league games.
He's only 31, which I think isa very bold appointment by the
pgmol.
When you consider what happenedat the end of the last derby,
with four red cards and fightsand all the rest of it, that's
(42:18):
fresh in the memory.
So to give a relatively youngand inexperienced referee a
derby match at Anfield in thesecircumstances could either be
very bold or very foolish.
So that's another aspect ofthat game that will be
worthwhile keeping an eye on.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Mark, we're going to wrap up in a second, but Mark
Plattenberg was on the Overlapon YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I've downloaded this.
I haven't listened to it yet.
What did he say about the?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
game.
I'll let you listen to it.
The only thing is, if youthought previously Mark
Plattenberg was a self-importantgobshite about, this will
change your mind.
I have never heard anybodylaugh at their own jokes more
when no one else is laughingthan him.
On that, it is.
He's a he's clearly a deeplyegotistical individual.
(43:11):
Clearly, some of the stuff hesays about refereeing is
interesting, and he's got apoint of view on it, and I don't
disagree with all of it, buthe's quite clearly a complete
prick, and, on that note,there's a good story about Adam
Lallana, though, which is worthlistening to it for.
All right, on that note, we'regoing to wrap up.
Good to see you both.
We'll be back, probably afterthe derby.
(43:33):
I don't think we'll be backback before uh, next wednesday.
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We'll see you next time.
Welcome to episode 84 of the Blues Brothers Everton
podcast.
I'm Austin, your host.
Glad to be with you again, Andy.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi Austin, I'm good.
Thank you, yeah, just in themiddle of me, three days off
work this week.
Did an overtime shift onTuesday.
It was an expensive month lastmonth for car repairs and
caravan service and basicallyeverything we own with a set of
wheels all needed repairing andfixing at the same time.
But we're through that periodnow and just in the process of
(00:47):
trying to pay for it all.
But, yeah, looking forward tochatting, good things, all
things.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Everton, the lines have crossed financially again,
which is always good news.
Adam, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm all right.
Yeah, I'm good thanks.
Like Andrew, I have car-relatednews.
I've purchased a new car, whichhas been a long time.
This is the one you werewaiting for, right?
Yeah, I just ended up buying itmyself, finding one, and then I
went up to Pontefract a coupleof Tuesdays ago and, yeah, I
(01:23):
liked it, bought it there andthen no pissing about.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's the way.
Awesome Ben can't be with us,so three of us are going to
crack on.
We're recording this onThursday, so we're in the middle
of it.
It's a weird time because wehaven't played for a couple of
weeks and the West Ham game isthe last game.
Dear listener, if you'rewaiting for us to review the
West Ham game, we're not goingto.
Two reasons One, it was shit.
(01:48):
And two, none of us can reallyremember anything other than it
was shit.
A mate of mine, steve big up toSteve, I know he listens One of
the New York Evertoniansmanaged to get there to go to
Goodison for the last time withhis girlfriend, jen, and it was
the first time she'd gone.
So, uh, it was good for thatand glad that we got an
equalizer, but we're not reallygoing to talk about that game.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Just on that note, actually, one of my uh the
driver trainer at the company Iwork for is an everton fan and
he was asking if both ticketsever come up, um to let him know
.
So him and the transportmanager um could go, because lee
the driver trainer wanted to goto goodison one.
So him and the transportmanager could go, because Lee,
the driver trainer wanted to goto Goodison one last time and
Nick the manager had never been.
(02:29):
So they both went to the WestHam game and enjoyed the
experience.
But they can confirm that thegame was indeed shit.
Nick at one point turned to Leeand said I thought this was
supposed to be a Premier Leaguegame.
If I want to watch League Twofootball, I can go to watch
Grimsby Town, the team Iactually support, which probably
(02:51):
tells you all you need to know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here we are talking about it.
West Ham aren't very good andGraham Potter has not really
done his thing there yet.
And the Everton players, ifthey literally roll out, I mean
I think they'll be up for theDerby, but after that, if they
actually turn up wearingflip-flops, I wouldn't be
surprised.
I think we'll maybe do.
Okay, derby's a big game.
I think the Southampton game athome is a big game because it's
(03:14):
the last game at Gooders and Ifancy us.
In both those games I thinkwe've done well, despite the
fact we've been pretty poor forthe last few weeks.
We keep grinding out points,which is fine, yeah, gloriously,
doesn't fucking matter.
So, uh, we're not really gonnatalk about it that much.
We are going to talk about theground, um, the bramley moore
(03:35):
dock, which is the other testevent.
Actually, before we get on tothat, I should mark momentous
occasion.
Uh, we got a new high-poweredevertonian, the prime minister
of canada, mark car, bigEvertonian, actual big
Evertonian, not just one ofthese people that you hear, like
Sylvester Stallone, who wore ascarf once.
His family are from Liverpool,he's a big Everton fan and he
(03:57):
wrote a letter.
I mean, it was not that longago when we got Dr Points last
season.
He wrote a letter in protest.
So, if he can, I mean not thathe achieved anything, but he's
going to bring that attitude todealing with Donald Trump.
His letter was very good,actually.
You should look it up.
So, yeah, I just wanted to.
Congratulations to Mark, who'sthe prime minister of Canada for
(04:19):
at least a month.
Maybe not much longer than that, but we'll see.
Yeah, the grant.
A month, uh, maybe not muchlonger than that, but we'll see.
Um, yeah, the ground.
So we're the other second testevent um story from the first
test event.
I'm sure you guys heard this,but there's a guy, uh, a good
family friend of ours, a guycalled pete lewis who was um,
sat behind us at goodison foryears and he's a.
(04:41):
Our dad worked with p.
We've all known him for a longtime.
Bless him.
He managed to stretch thedefinition of test event at the
first test game by getting allthe way up to the top of the
South stand where his seat was,and falling over and cracking
his head open, becoming thefirst customer for the medical
center at Bramley Moor Dock,gave him nine stitches and he
(05:04):
saw none of the game whatsoever.
He's doing, apparently doinggreat.
So Pete was tested it, yeah,but singing test with you, that
are they day.
I don't know if you guys haveheard anything.
I have a couple of friends ofmine who had people who were
there, so I've kind of had acouple of conversations with
folks about it.
But any thoughts on what we'veseen from that test event?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
yeah, as I said a moment ago, just before we
started recording, all I know isthat the test event happened
and they were going to test thefire alarm and the stadium
evacuation in the second half,but, um, I don't actually know
anything about how that sort ofprocedure went on.
So if either of you two do know, then I'm all ears.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean they stopped the game.
The referee was weird.
The referee blew the whistle on65 minutes.
It was an under-21s game.
Everton were winning 1-0.
They'd scored just before that,so it was a bit weird, but
understandably they played ahalf 45 minutes.
They came out for a second halfOn 65 minutes.
The referee blew the whistlefor full time and they evacuated
the stadium.
So everyone left.
(06:11):
So the coverage stoppedApparently went very, very
smoothly and also there's been alot of stuff around the
transport which I think is goingto be a problem.
But a good friend of mine's dadwas there and got the train up
to Sandhills and his view was itwas no problem at all, it was
totally fine.
Now that's with 25,000 people,so that's half capacity.
(06:32):
So we'll have to see how itplays out, but everything I've
heard has been good.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, because I can't remember what was discussed on
my last pod regarding transport,but you can walk to Liverpool
City Centre in half an hour, soI imagine that's what a lot of
people are going to do.
Rather than queue at sandhillsfor a train, they can just walk
to lime street or james streetor whatever and just, uh, just
get on with transport from thereI think um, what I've seen it's
(07:03):
the?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
um.
There's been a lot of talkabout the steepness of the
stands.
I think it's basically as steepas it can go legally without
watching the Quidditch World Cupfrom one of those Harry Potter
films, and it makes a hugedifference.
(07:25):
I went to the Mestalla a numberof years ago and I was sat up
in the gods there.
But that is fucking.
That's fucking steep as welland you really feel that even
though you're high up, you'rejust really on top of stuff.
And obviously that was thepurpose of Dan Mice's creation.
Of course was to try and on topof stuff, and obviously that's
(07:47):
the.
That was the purpose of um.
Dan mice's uh creation, ofcourse was uh, to try and um to
um recreate that that good.
You know the, the atmosphere,which obviously has sort of
waned over the last 10 years, inmy opinion, um, but I have no
doubt that it will come back.
And you know the, the blue wallof 13,000 seats looks
(08:08):
absolutely incredible.
So yeah, I think, from whatI've read about the second test
event, the club said it wentreally really well.
I think there's obviously aquestion mark over the, over the
you know transport and stuff,because, as you know, it's um,
you know the the stadium is, ithas the area, has the stadium
(08:31):
and then not a lot else.
Um, I think there's been talkabout plans for a new railway
station, um, in uh voxel.
My geography of uh my, mygeography of liverpool isn't
fantastic um, so I'm not exactlysure where that is, but that's
part of the plan and obviouslythe last thing they're going to
(08:52):
want is going to be those sortof transport issues that you
might see, if I'm sure, if, likeyou know, spurs can, spurs can
manage it with a, with a crap,with a.
When, when white heart lanewent from you know 40, 35 000 up
(09:12):
to uh, up to 60 000 um inlondon, I'm sure if they can
manage it, it'll be one of thetop things that they're they're
looking at to ensure doesn'tcause any any particular any
problems I mean, I think thethink the challenge they've got
is that the city council arejust way behind where they
should be on this like waybehind and you know, I think,
that they're obviouslyscrambling to catch up.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The thing I'm surprised hasn't been talked
about, and I won't be surprisedif it doesn't start to become
part of the answer is runningferries because there's a.
It's a dock.
Yeah, you, you could.
I'm not an engineer, but, likeyou can see how, on the side of
(09:56):
the stadium, where there's aside that sort of sticks out
into the water, obviously wherethe old dock wall is, which I
think is where basically theteam buses are going to drive
around the water, obviouslywhere the old dock wall is,
which I think is where basicallythe team buses are going to
drive around, there's no reasonat all in theory why you
couldn't have uh, put a, a, youknow, a dock on there and have
ferries running from uh, from,uh, from the city.
(10:16):
Now it might not, it might besix or one, because you've got
to get from lime street down topierhead to get on the ferry.
But it seems like I mean, howlong do you think a new train
line or new train station wouldtake in this country?
I mean, we'll be moving to thenext stadium by the time they've
got that built, whereas theriver is there.
(10:37):
So I mean, I imagine whatthey're going to do and we've
said this before is just closethe roads and we're going to
ship out the buses.
Yeah, I'm sure that's whatthey're going to do, because it
is a relatively catastrophicshot up there to get up there on
the bus.
So I'm sure that's what they'regoing to do, but the no doubt
the pressure is on the citycouncil because everton's it's
(10:57):
not everton's responsibility andand it's not like being a
surprise that we've beenbuilding this thing or when it
was going to open.
So Steve Rotherham will beunder serious pressure if this
turns into a shit show on thefirst day.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, totally, and also it should be the catalyst.
I'm sure it will be thecatalyst for a lot of economic
growth in that area andtransport has a potential to
stifle that if it's.
If they're not um, you know, ifthey're not careful yeah, and
it should.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
You know there'll be a lot going on.
I mean, I saw the other daythey're going to host, we're
going to host one of the rugbygames excuse me, not in october,
when australia are touring.
So they're obviously it's goingto be a place that other things
are going to happen and andit's obviously on the um.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
it's going to be a Euro 2028 venue, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, and I think it's spec to be a Champions
League ground as well.
Yeah, not with Everton in theChampions League.
No, the stadium might play inthe Champions League.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Um so yeah, I know, go on, adam.
Sorry, that's right, and I wasuh, I can say that there's one
more.
I think, uh, there's one moretest event which is like I think
it's near capacity, yeah, overthe summer, sometime over the
summer.
So, and obviously, like yousaid, there'll be.
You know there's going to be,you know gigs and other things
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that are going on as well.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, just on that point, talk about other
celebrity Evertonians.
Billy Joe Armstrong, front manof Green Day.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He's an Evertonian.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Didn't know that.
Straight on how, yeah, how, howdoes that happen?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I believe there was.
I can't remember the exactdetails why, but he is an
Evertonian.
We'll just take a word for it.
Yeah, so Green Day gig atBramley Moor Dock.
Sign me up for that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, we need to replace Zed Cars with the
Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Highly appropriate.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, the other thing I liked a couple things on the
the picture, the steepness ofthe stadium.
Again, a friend of mine's was.
I heard from a guy who a friendof mine who was there, who said
it was like the word that wasused like fucking unbelievable
and how steep, how steep it was.
Basically it was like climbinga ladder, basically getting up
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there, but you've actually gotquite a lot of space when you
sit down.
There's quite a lot of leg room.
Yeah, but it's steep.
And the other thing about itbeing steeper, course, is you've
not got someone's head in frontof you.
So this is part of having greatviews is people's heads are
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going to be and the SpursStadium is like this, which is
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I noticed that when I was at the Spurs Stadium
back in January.
So you climb up the stairs fromthe concourse, turn around and
look up and it's like lookingalmost like about to go on like
a Via Ferrata on the side of analpine mountain somewhere.
Just right, I'll get mycrampons on and clip myself onto
a safety line and hoist myselfup.
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But once you're absolutelyright, once you're sat down,
you've just got an uninterruptedview of the pitch because
everybody else is below you, andit's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So I'm really excited To everyone.
I mean, everything I've heardhas been great, and I loved as
well the shithousery of usserving hot dogs with blue
ketchup, which is Seriously, Ididn't know that was a thing
that's fantastic, fuckingperfect, isn't it?
Of course you think about itlike we could have done that all
the time, probably should havedone it.
But like, yeah, the hot dogshave blue ketchup on.
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Of course they fucking do yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You see, like?
Of course you should not, youknow, like.
The obvious question is whatfood colouring is that?
But of course the answer is ifit's blue ketchup at Everton's
Ground, you don't care.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I don't get it.
Do you think the red ketchupwas red because of all the
tomatoes in it?
No, they made it green.
Remember when Heinz made greentomato ketchup?
Remember that?
I do remember that.
So, yeah, the stadium looksgreat.
I'm really excited to be thereand it's really nice that I
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really don't give a shit aboutwhat's happened on the pitch.
But we should, because this isthe last pub we'll do before the
derby, which is next Wednesday.
It's miserable.
We should talk about it.
How are we feeling?
And particularly, you know,there's some, I don't know.
I mean, liverpool are going towin the league, but there's some
.
There's more tension over therethan there should be, I would
(15:38):
say, for a team that are like 20, however many points they are
ahead in the league, becauseobviously they lost to Newcastle
, went out to PSG.
All the Trent Alexander-Arnoldstuff this week has got everyone
wound right up.
So how are we feeling aboutAdam?
I'll start this with you.
How are we feeling about thederby next week?
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I just don't know how to thinkabout it because, all things
being equal, obviously we getbattered, but maybe tell me if
it's not going to be that way Idon't think it will be that way.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Um, liverpool are clear favorites because they're
the better team, um and um, andthey will be.
And they'll be hurtingmassively because you know they
had a really shitty week a fewweeks back when they obviously
were comfortably beaten over twolegs by PSG and obviously all
the talk around and accuratetalk as well around potential
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complacency at that stage of theseason because the only other
actual real quality team thatthey've played this season was
Real Madrid and they beat them2-0.
But then they come up againstan absolutely excellent PSG side
and get turned over twice,albeit, obviously, the away leg,
which was the biggest robbery Ithink I've ever seen, and then
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obviously losing to Newcastle,when again they should have been
favourites, especially becauseNewcastle had several key
players out injured.
So they'll be really hurtingand obviously that's the sort of
perfect game for them to tryand do some damage.
But I don't think it willhappen because I think we are a
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much different side than the onethat we've had a couple of
months ago under Sean Dyche.
Moyes has really turned usaround and if Moyes has always
been one thing, he's always beendefensively solid and made us
organise, and we're also goingto have.
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Obviously, there's been theinternational break, but you
could probably count the numberof players, like from our squad
that have been away just like on, you know, certainly on both of
your hands.
So you will have had an awfullot of time on the pitch, on the
training ground, for thoseplayers.
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Um, looking at um, you knowtactics and structure and things
like that, those sort of thingsthat you need.
That Moyes, absolutely, youknow, loves to, uh, you know,
grind out a result for one of abetter term, um, so no, I don't
think, I don't think it's gonna.
I don't think it's going to, uh, we're gonna get battered.
I think it'll be a closer gamethan perhaps a lot of people
think it will be.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Andy being as optimistic as that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I am actually.
Yeah, I think we will go intothe game with a defensive
solidity and a plan to sit backand frustrate Liverpool, which
will mean I don't think they'regoing to absolutely steamroller
us by four or five goals.
Being realistic, I still expectthem to win because they are
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the better team, and I was justlooking at the reminding myself
of the league table.
I mean they've got a 12-pointlead with nine games to go.
So it would have to be aspectacular collapse, greater
than the one that Newcastle didunder Kevin Keegan in the 90s.
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It would have to be worse thanthat for them not to win the
league from this position.
So I still expect them to winthe match.
But having said that, if we gointo the game with, you know,
good defensive shape, gooddefensive solidity and the
ability to do something on thecounter-attack, then you never
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know.
Does anybody know if N'Jai'sgoing to be back or is he still
out?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I don't think we heard anything.
We won't probably know untilthe press conference.
So yeah, don't know is my longway of answering a very simple
question.
It would make a big differenceif we did, because he is the
difference, I think, between uswinning a bunch of games and
drawing a bunch of games.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, and I was again just thinking.
I think we've scored as well inevery game since Moyes has been
at the club.
And again, if Alexander-Arnoldplays which you imagine he will,
but some of the Liverpool fansaren't happy about him going off
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to Real Madrid.
I mean, I don't understand that.
I mean, if Real Madrid comesfor you, you've basically got to
say yes because it's RealMadrid, and any fan who believes
otherwise is just deluded.
It's as simple as that, becauseyou're basically guaranteed to
win the Champions League and alittle leaguer, if nothing else.
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So if he plays, will that havean effect in terms of his level
of performance?
Who knows?
A couple of months ago itlooked as if we had almost no
hope and Liverpool were going tocomfortably defeat us.
But I share Adam's view thatit's not quite the sort of open
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and shut game that it might haveappeared, and I wouldn't be
surprised if we end up with Imean, we've drawn a few games,
one all recently under Moyes.
I wouldn't be at all surprisedif or pleasantly surprised, I
should say I do think Liverpoolwill win, but a 1-0 draw
wouldn't entirely surprise meeither.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, there are reasons why we haven't lost in
nine games, which is we don'tgive up.
And I was really coming back tothe West Ham game that I
confidently predicted wewouldn't talk about.
It was another good example ofI mean, we were shit and nothing
was really.
Coming back to the West Hamgame that I confidently
predicted we wouldn't talk about.
It was another good example ofI mean, we were shit and nothing
was working, but they keptgoing and particularly we had
players in the box.
You know we had a couple oftimes O'Brien Tarkovsky in the
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derby.
We've had people in the boxtowards the end of the game
trying to get a goal and it'sworked out more than it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and just on the point of Jacob Ryan, actually
it's worth giving him a shoutout because he was obviously
signed under Dyche.
You know how much input Dychehad to that signing is open to
some debate.
There's speculation it wasThelwell who brought him to the
club, but you know he broughthim to the club.
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He was brought to the club athis behest rather than anything
Dyche wanted.
But for whatever reason he waspersona non grata under Dyche.
He's come into the team underMoyes playing out of a position
at right-back, doing a fine jobout there in a position that's
been a problem for us becauseyou think of all the players we
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had playing out there, there wasAshley Young, uh, patterson's
been in there.
Seamus Coleman has been inthere.
There's been a whole host ofplayers that we've discussed on
pods.
He was going to play right back.
It's been a problem for sixmillion years.
I know Brian's come in, done adecent job and chipped in with a
couple of important goals.
So yeah, and that reflectsreally badly on Dyche the fact
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that Moyes has come in andinstantly got something out of a
player that Dyche had formonths and just wasn't doing
anything with at all.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How do you guys listen to Dyche on?
He was on the Restless Footballwith Gary Lineker a couple of
days ago.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Not listening to that , no.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's interesting.
It's worth listening to.
I wouldn't say it does anything.
My view on Dyche stays the same.
They'll change your view onDyche.
I like him as a guy.
I think he's a limited manager,but it's a good interview in
terms of you talked a lot abouthis childhood and his history
and how he got started in thegame and some of the challenges
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he's had in the way.
That's worth listening to.
They almost don't talk aboutEverton at all, which is maybe
better for everyone all around.
I agree, Andy, on Jake O'Brien.
He's obviously a very talentedguy and it'll be interesting and
a good segue for us to.
The last thing we want to talkabout today is some summer stuff
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.
So I'll ask you guys twoquestions and, Andy, I'll start
with you, Answer them inwhatever order you want.
Do you think Branthwaite willstay this summer or do you think
he'll leave?
And what do you want the clubto do about Abdullahi Dikori?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
answering the Brantwick one at the risk of
giving a sitting on the fenceanswer.
I think it depends if a clubcomes in for him and what money
they offer.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Thank you for that that's a real insight.
It is, but you know exactlywhat I mean.
It's a fucking groundbreakerthat one Carry on.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But listen, you know exactly what I mean.
If a club comes in with a largeoffer that we can't refuse,
then the club will sell.
That's true of any player.
I mean, how long is hiscontract?
Did he sign a new contract thisseason, or have I made?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
that up.
He's got another four years.
He's got a long time on hiscontract Right long time, or
maybe three years.
It's a long time.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So I don't think he'll be agitated to move.
Personally, I only think he'llmove if a club comes in and
makes us an offer that we can'trefuse, which is a good
permission for Everton to be in,because I've heard no hint that
he's looking to move or nofeelers out that he's looking to
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move.
So I think he'll stay, becauseI don't think and in one sense I
thought he was very unlucky notto get in the England squad for
the Albanian and Latvia games.
But on the flip side, if he'skept out the public eye, then
maybe he's more likely to stayif he's a little bit less in the
public eye.
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I don't know.
And on the Decore question,he's 30, is he 33 or 32?
I think he's 32.
32.
I mean it's yeah.
I mean you could offer him aone-year contract, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, they've declined to extend it by a year.
So the club have got a yearextension which they're not
going to activate.
So, presumably they want him tostay, maybe, but for less money.
Less money, yeah, I guessthat's the kind of maybe.
More specific question is if hecosts us because we don't know
what to call his pay but we knowhe's one of our highest paid
players, so he's probably on 150a week or something.
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If it's two thirds that, do youkeep him or do you think we
take that potential spend and gosomewhere else?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If that's the question, then I would take that
spend because you could almostcertainly sign a player who's as
good, that's younger, fortwo-thirds of Decorah's wages.
So if that's the answer to yourquestion because I'd actually
forgotten he was out of contractat the end of this summer and
they declined to offer theextension.
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So, yeah, if he doesn't acceptlower wages, then I would be
quite happy for the club to seesort of you know, say thanks
very much for your service,shake his hand and you know, see
you later.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thanks for keeping us in the league, adam thoughts.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, on the Brantford way.
I understand Andrew's point andoptimism, but I think Brantford
way will go.
I understand Andrew's point andoptimism, but I think
Branthwaite will go, not becausewe need the money, because I
think our prudence over the lastcouple of transfer windows
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being the only team in theleague, for example, to actually
make a profit in the lastcouple of seasons, and the
increased revenue from thestadium, means that I don't
think we actually need, we don'tneed to sell to.
We don't need to sell to buy inthe same way that we may have
done in the last couple of a fewtransfer windows.
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I just think that there's a lotof factors that mean that he
will be extremely sought afterand um, you know the, the, the,
the fact he's left-footed, um,what means a huge premium?
Because a lot of, a lot of team, more and more teams are
playing, like you know, widercenter backs.
(28:34):
Now he's a ball playing centerback which has always been, over
the last decade or so, a hugepull.
Um, he's got the englishpremium which soccer domics
tells us, you know, has.
Um, uh means that players are uh, automatically, um, inflating
their prices.
Um, and he's.
He's very young and I thinkhe's got a real fan.
He's got a very, very levelhead the fact that he could have
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done an Anthony Gordon anddowned tools last summer when
United had those two bidsrejected, but at no point did he
ever give any sort of inklingthat he wanted to leave.
So I think we've got a fantasticprofessional, a fantastic
player, and our financialposition means that we can, um,
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we can demand a high price forhim and I think this season he's
shown, you know, played, he'splayed his uh, he's really
played his role in in, uh,giving us the um things like the
fifth we're the fifth or sixthuh, best defense in the league.
I think.
So fair to say that him andtarkovsky have been fantastic
and, uh, brantham Waite hasprobably been the better of the
two.
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Um, and you know Thelwell'sastuteness, uh, with signing a
ready-made replacement in JakeO'Brien means that we don't
really have to worry about umreplacing him.
So, um, I think we're in a goodposition.
Um, you know, if we keep him,great, if we sell him, it'll be
for a lot of money.
So, um, and you know, we are awe're a bottom half of the
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league team and it's unrealisticto expect us to keep future
England starting centre-backs atthe club, unfortunately yeah so
and then under Corey, I really,I really like, you know I like
to, I do likecore, I think he'sa fantastic professional, but
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you know, so would I mean, sowould you know.
Scott Gemmel was a fantasticprofessional, gareth Farrelly
was a fantastic professional,you know they weren't, but they.
There comes a time when that,there comes a time when that,
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where things tip and, uh, youare looking for more technical
players and unfortunately, decorey, I think, has shown this
season that he's technically notup to standard anymore.
I think, positionally he's verygood, he, you know he's he drag
, he presses really well, hetriggers a press, he's obviously
a real leader.
He's obviously very, verypopular and the fact that Moyes
obviously likes him as wellshows there's a lot of qualities
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to perhaps the players on thefootballing side of things that
we don't necessarily see.
But I would be getting rid ofhim first and foremost because
of the footballing side ofthings, but also the money as
well, because I can't see himtaking anything less than half
his pay and whatever you turn onyour source that you read, but
he's on anything between £6million and £7.5 million, £8
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million a year.
So if you're looking at that,yeah, exactly, and even while
there's rights to say, well, whyshould I, you know, why should
I?
Half my wage for a year, andyou know that would be the
absolute minimum that I wouldtake is, like you know, putting
him on two or three, bringinghim down to about three, two,
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three million a year, to behonest, because he should be a
squad player.
So he's the one.
He's, I think, because heshould be a squad player, he's
the one.
I think.
For me it's a pretty open-shutcase.
Thanks very much, abdoulaye.
You've been fantastic, youreally have been fantastic over
the last seven years Sorry, sixyears, and thanks for the
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Bournemouth goal.
But yeah, you know, please,it's been brilliant, but see you
later.
I think the other one that'smore probably concerning, I
think we should make more effortto keep hold of, is Idrissa
Gueye, because I think he's beenever since moise has come back.
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He's been absolutely incredible, like some of his like, even,
even even his age that he is,and I think he's a year older
than decor.
I think he's like 34, somethinglike that yeah, I think yeah, I,
he's reading of the game is sois incredible and like when
you've got that suchunderstanding, like the mobility
side of things doesn't matteras much.
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We saw that with, do youremember with Alan, who is
basically legs had just turnedto like dildos by the time of
his career.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Not concrete yeah, rubber dildo yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And he was never the player that we we thought we
were getting, but but gay justseems to be like just time.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's brilliant as well because he's uh.
So you know someone?
Uh, I saw on a forum someoneearlier on today.
Someone used the phrasegabamining it to mean someone
who's something always being twoweeks away which deserves wider
audience.
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Because, of course, the beautyof Idrissa Gay is, you know, we
sold him, we struggled toreplace him and then we finally
did replace him two years laterwith him with himself.
Yeah, that was.
It was a dark period when wewere without him.
So, and I agree, he's beenfantastic.
I mean, he can't shoot for shit, and I think he's realised now
because he's a lot.
There's a moment in every gamenow where he could shoot and he
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doesn't.
So I think someone's had a word, but I agree he's.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I don't know how you can be so bad at shooting.
Like you know, I play footballon a Friday night.
I used to play for a Sundayleague team and, like some of
the, they're just blokes thatare just kicking about and they
can ping one in from 20 yardsinto a top corner.
Yeah, it's like how can you notdo that?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, or the very most professional footballer at
the top level.
Yeah, At the very least hit ashot so it doesn't balloon 20
yards over the bar.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're totally right, I played years ago.
I played in a charity matchwith Dean Ashton and Nigel
Winterburn.
Oh wow, dean Ashton was on DeanAshton's team and he played
like 20 minutes.
His ankles he had really badinjuries His ankles.
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Both of them had been fused sothat his ankles didn't move A
little bit left, right the guy.
He was like a penguin.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yes, he ran like Donald Duck.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Literally no force to move his ankles.
He ran rings around us firstthing.
But also we got a free kick atone point.
He didn't really run, obviously, because he couldn't, but he
was brilliant.
We got a free kick about 30yards out and he said to me just
roll that to me like threeyards.
So I sort of took it left footjust across and without he just
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didn't even no, run up, bang topcorner, you know, and it's like
that is the difference, youknow.
So you're right, it's like wildthat a Drissagay can't yeah, he
can't shoot, he just obviouslyit's something about his center
of gravity.
He just leans back too much.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But I suspect he'll mean I think obviously there's a
bunch of bones obviously gonnago.
I'm sure this will be coleman'slast season.
Actually, young, uh, michaelkeen, I think, is probably
another one, but the gay, Ithink probably will, will stay,
um, and I'm sure dcl will, dclwill go.
Uh, all right, anything elsefor anything else that we should
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talk about before we wrap thisup.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I just want to mention the go back to the
Alexander Arnold thing because,like it is for that, like some
of the full fans, heads havefallen clean.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh my god which is it is they do.
It is their thing for theirheads to fall, like it really is
them, and man United fans justcarry on there was quite a
popular thing.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I think there's anfield talk.
I think it was a sorry tiktokvideo earlier where they, they,
these guys were just reading outthese uh tweets from um quite
popular uh liverpool podcasts orfanzines and things like that.
One of them was like he should,he shouldn't be on the, he
shouldn't be allowed to playever again for Liverpool, he
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shouldn't be on the bench, heshouldn't be allowed for the
victory parade, he should haveto watch Liverpool at home on
his sofa at home on the telly.
And that's it.
Another one was like uh, youknow, they've started the
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started.
The um started with us at six.
Uh, and is now we're gonnaleave.
Uh, we're gonna um lose 115million million pound player.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Uh, for nothing, rat, yeah the fact is he helped you
win lots of trophies and donereally well.
All of a sudden that doesn'tmatter anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean all teams havebeen.
You know some of Liverpool's,some of Liverpool have bought,
had loads of players that were,you know, free transfers.
Like James Milner was there foreight years, he was a free
transfer from Villa.
There's a couple of otherexamples as well over the years
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where they bought reallyimportant.
Matip was another one I wasreading as well.
Like Joel Matip, he got him ona free transfer.
It happens to everyone.
It's really shit.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
When it happens, it must be awful If you think about
the implication of that thought, right, which is he's a
Liverpool fan.
I mean, he wasn't, he's neverTony, and actually, but you know
, he signed with a kid.
What you're saying is he shouldaccept whatever offer the club
gives him, because that'sobviously the case, right?
(38:35):
Yeah, totally.
Whatever he's been offered,offered he doesn't want.
If they offered him a billionpounds a day, he'd sign for them
, right?
So there's some line where hewould.
What you're saying is he shouldaccept that, and that's not
loyalty, that's a cult.
You know, it's like it's thatit's a really bizarre worldview
to have.
And it's not like he's out inthe press saying, oh, actually,
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you know, liver, liverpool werea bunch of wankers and their
fans all smell like cheese.
You know, it's like he's playedhis contract and he just
doesn't want to sign another onebecause he wants to go to
Liverpool and he's in his prime.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He's 27.
He's won everything he can withLiverpool.
It makes logical sense that heshould leave.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And the one that he really needs to worry about more
is Mo Salah.
Well, and they've got I meanthey've got.
You know, I agree with Salah.
I agree Van Dijk is also aproblem.
Van Dijk's easier to replace.
I think there's morecentre-halves than there are
strikers.
I'd be a bit worried, if it'sperverse to say it, because
they're going to win the league.
But there's something in this,because clearly these players'
(39:41):
contracts are not gettingrenewed at the level.
There are no offers that matchtheir previous.
Now Salah is still at the topof his game Now.
He won't be forever, but rightnow he is.
There is clearly a change inwhat Liverpool's owners are
prepared to fund in terms of thewage bill of the club.
(40:01):
It's obviously going to belower in the future than it has
been up until now, and that'swhy you've ended up with
arguably their three bestplayers, three most important
players, being out of contractand probably all three of them
will leave, and I think thatwill be a tricky.
I don't think the next sort oftwo or three years are going to
(40:21):
be as rosy for liverpool as theymay look like they are now,
because you know, if that's thecase, then you're going to end
up with a marginally worse squadstill probably a very, very
good squad and slots a goodmanager, but they're not going
to have, you know, they're goingto replace Mo Salah with
someone of that quality.
I can't think of how you do it,because who is it?
(40:41):
Who's that good?
You know there's so fewstrikers, and are they going to
have 200 million pounds to spend?
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
So it's going to be I think a real problem.
It's not their model to pay,it's not really their model.
Don't think there's any more topay such amounts for them, and
there will be.
I mean, obviously, winning theleague is fantastic, but there
is a in the back of my mind.
I've always thought, like howmuch is the cop system still
having an influence there?
And slot taking?
(41:14):
People say that things havebeen seamless for them.
And they have, and theyseemingly, and they seemingly
have.
But as we saw with martinez,you know, martinez in the first,
in the in our first season,came fifth because it was he
brought in his flair.
But there was also that, that,that those deck, that those um,
just over a decade of moisessystem in play, uh, on a squad
(41:36):
of players.
And then obviously it startedto unravel when that got eroded.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So there's that question mark over it as well.
Yeah, fuck those guys.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Just one other thing as well about the derby that has
just sprung to mind is um, thereferee is a gentleman called
sam barrett who is only in hissecond season refereeing premier
league games.
He's only 31, which I think isa very bold appointment by the
pgmol.
When you consider what happenedat the end of the last derby,
with four red cards and fightsand all the rest of it, that's
(42:18):
fresh in the memory.
So to give a relatively youngand inexperienced referee a
derby match at Anfield in thesecircumstances could either be
very bold or very foolish.
So that's another aspect ofthat game that will be
worthwhile keeping an eye on.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Mark, we're going to wrap up in a second, but Mark
Plattenberg was on the Overlapon YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I've downloaded this.
I haven't listened to it yet.
What did he say about the?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
game.
I'll let you listen to it.
The only thing is, if youthought previously Mark
Plattenberg was a self-importantgobshite about, this will
change your mind.
I have never heard anybodylaugh at their own jokes more
when no one else is laughingthan him.
On that, it is.
He's a he's clearly a deeplyegotistical individual.
(43:11):
Clearly, some of the stuff hesays about refereeing is
interesting, and he's got apoint of view on it, and I don't
disagree with all of it, buthe's quite clearly a complete
prick, and, on that note,there's a good story about Adam
Lallana, though, which is worthlistening to it for.
All right, on that note, we'regoing to wrap up.
Good to see you both.
We'll be back, probably afterthe derby.
(43:33):
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