Stadium Dreams and Season Ticket Prices

We start this one looking ahead to the new stadium, and reacting to the club's announcement of season ticket prices. Then, because we're forced to, we discuss Everton v Man United and the future of Sean Dyche. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to episode 78 of the Blues Brothers Everton
podcast.
It's been a minute.
We did all those episodes.
You guys must have missed them.
It's been a minute.
We did all those episodes.
You guys must have missed them.
It's been a while since we gotto you.
It's good to be back.
Andy can't make it today.
Unfortunately, Ben and Adam arehere.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Adam, how are you doing?
I'm good, thanks, yeah, good tobe back.
It's been a long time.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, we should be more organised in life.
Ben, how are you recoveringfrom Thanksgiving dinner?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
No, but that is the point of Thanksgiving dinner.
It takes a while to recover.
We're recording this on BlackFriday, as it is ecologically
known, so the day afterThanksgiving.
So, being a resident of America, I fully indulged in the
cultural celebrations and atetoo much food.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's definitely the nicest holiday that commemorates
a massacre.
I would say so yeah, have alook at the pilgrim voyages if
you want to know the history ofThanksgiving.
No one comes out of that well,but the turkey is great.
All right, so we're going tochat a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Let's be really clear the turkey doesn't come out of
it well either.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, never so great, let's go off.
Let's not even get to the firstthing before we go down the
rabbit hole.
I saw a great quote from TimWaltz who was I was going to say
very nearly vice president ofthe United States, but he wasn't
really that close in the end,but he tried to be vice
president.
Recently he's the governor ofMinnesota and he was doing

(01:47):
various Thanksgiving things andhe's walking into a turkey farm
somewhere with lots of turkeys.
He said, oh my God tell thisstory quicker.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
No one's getting out of here alive which is funny.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
All right, let's talk about football.
Well, actually let's not talkabout football.
What we thought we would do,dear listener, is actually
because we're going to moanabout the football later.
Uh, we're going to talk aboutthe stadium because we wanted to
start one, because they justreleased everton released season
ticket prices, like I think afew hours ago he was like pretty
recently.
So we're going to talk aboutthat and we're going to talk
about some of the.
The club have put some stuffout showing around the ground

(02:24):
and it's all looking real nowand there's grass growing.
So, ben, I'll start with you.
So headlines, just in caseanyone listens to this because
might not have seen, there's awhole bunch of them.
The Everton website has a verygood and clear kind of breakdown
.
But the two numbers that Ithink are probably worth talking
about is the base adult seasonticket is 640, uh, pounds.

(02:47):
Now, if you look at the seatmap, there's like a couple of
corner spots which has thatpricing, and then it's like 670,
730.
But you know, if you take 700,let's say, as a sort of more
realistic kind of bottom line,you're looking at about 40 quid
a game, 40 quid a home game, andthen in all of the sections

(03:07):
under 11s are £199, which iscompared to a good friend of
mine, andy Payne, who's a WestHam fan, who's chair of the West
Ham Supporters Association, whohave been going to war with
that club over the last coupleof years because they've
basically effectively gotten ridof all concessionary pricing.
The club West Ham would denythat, but that's the net.

(03:28):
What they've effectively doneis that.
So you know, ben, what's yourkind of reaction to seeing, like
the Everton kind of coming outwith those prices?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, I'm really impressed, actually, because one
of the things you worry aboutis when stadium is that it's an
opportunity to uh, to pricegouge and to take advantage and
hey, it's shiny and new.
So we're gonna, you know, jackup the prices and make up for
all those years that, um, we'vebeen keeping the prices down
because, you know, good isrubbish and uh, as in terms of,

(03:58):
you know, viewing and stuff likethat.
So I was really, I was reallygenuinely, um, genuinely
impressed with the pricing.
The other thing that um jumpedout to me is that is the range
of, like concessionary pricingthat they've kept so current
that they've basically mirroredwhat they currently have, which
is, as well as just having likea standard adult and then a
senior and then I was alsoinstead of kids, they also have

(04:20):
junior tickets, so between 11and 17, and then they have young
adult tickets who are 18 to 21.
And then there is also a youthticket which is 14 to 21, which
is only for one of the sectionsin the South Stand.
So I'm not entirely sure whatthe deal is with that,
particularly that I noticed, orI should say was pointed out to

(04:43):
me by the very good Royal BlueMersey.
Summary of this is that thereare now 37 different price
points for tickets compared to10, which is what you have at
Goodison Park.
So there are now.
Just the range of seating thatyou have available just means
that you have loads of differentoptions, because there's like
rail seating prices, there'ssome stuff in like you halfway

(05:05):
line where there's a, wherethere's a club section and all
that sort of stuff.
So really impressed that they'vekept the prices down, because
would have been an opportunity,um, and also really impressed,
as I said, that they've kept allof the you know, concessionary
pricing sorts of categories thatthat they previously had,
because it would have been aneasy way to to get rid of them

(05:27):
and just generally.
I mean, I've not watched all ofthe videos that they put out,
because they put out a lot, butthere's some photos that we're
doing around the other day ofthere's obviously someone who
worked there and had snappedsome pictures of it when they
were, you know, going around andit looks incredible.
And for all of the you know allof the mistakes that farhad
moshiri has made and god lovehim, he's made an enormous

(05:48):
number of them the stadium willbe like the one thing he's able
to point to and say you knowthat was, that was what I
delivered for edmonton footballclub and, to be fair to him, it
looks genuinely incredible.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
So yeah, and he's basically paid for it.
We talked to somebody else Iwant to talk about with you
later on.
It's interesting you talk aboutthat, that 14 to 21 uh, ticket
ben, because I think that is thesouth stand lower, which is the
south stand.
Is that one which has got thatwall?
Is the wall, the wall, yeah,and and I think basically, if

(06:22):
you look at the, the seat, ifyou look at the pricing for that
section, so the lower part ofthat stand, they're not offering
kids tickets, so I don't thinkthey want kids in there.
Basically.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I think actually I'm now just rereading the book.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's where the rail seating is.
That's where the rail seatingis yeah, so they're not having
under.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
it's not legally required, but there's a
recommendation.
They're not selling thosetickets you don't have kids in
the rail station in the samestanding area, so they're just
not selling those tickets inthat space.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, so yeah, I agree.
And then, yeah, looking at this, the most expensive I mean the
South Stand, which is probablygoing to be the most desirable
place, or maybe not, becauseactually it's not quite the
cheapest the highest end ticketis £900.
That's the most you can pay,which is for the lower.

(07:13):
You know, halfway line on thelower.
So, yeah, the range isn't eventhat much.
Adam, what are you thinkingabout?
How are you feeling about thenew stadium, everything that
comes with it?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's massively exciting, isn't it?
We'll get on to theon-the-field stuff a bit later
on, but it would be prettymiserable at the minute if you
didn't have this to focus on.
The pricing is taking me bysurprise.
I did expect not necessarilywhat you alluded to about West

(07:51):
Ham's ticketing prices before,but I think I've been really
impressed with how much they'vekept a lot of those
concessionary tickets down,particularly looking at those,
um, like the junior I'mobviously talking about the kids

(08:12):
being 199 across the board, buteven just like the, the junior
tickets, the highest, then the,the most expensive is, uh, 360
quid, um, which you know isthat's pretty, you know that's
pretty good.
What's that?
Like 20, what's that?
Uh, I don't know about fifth,it's about 18.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's about 18 night, 18 or something, yeah pretty
good, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
um so, and they've obviously got there's obviously
a vision there where you knowthey want to make, they want to
be, they want to be building andblooding these fans for season
after season.
So when they do go into the22-plus category because
Evidence Enough, believe is oneof the only I'm not aware of any

(08:55):
other club doing any youngadults of 18 to 21 concessions
there's obviously a lot offorward thinking there.
So, yeah, I think they've stuckand it's really good that
they've stuck true to the sortof the roots of the club and
thinking about the fans.
And it shows that Everton andthe community sort of feel that
the club has always maintained,even the past few seasons when

(09:20):
things haven't been great on thepitch, they've stayed true to
that.
So hopefully, you know that issomething that will continue,
but it's a fantastic start.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's interesting.
You made that point, adam.
I was thinking about that,about the kind of this is in the
spirit of the club and beingthe people's club.
But it's interesting to thinkabout it because you know it
says something, I guess, aboutkind of culture and history,
because who's doing that right?
It says something, I guess,about kind of culture and
history because who's doing thatright, like if you look at
who's running it right now, Imean who the hell knows?

(09:51):
But Colin Chong, who's theinterim CEO, we don't really
know much about except he'soverseeing this project and has
obviously done a good job ofthat.
Moshiri obviously has some ofit it's still his business, so
I'm sure he's making decisionsand then the freaking group I'm
sure are signing off on all ofthis stuff as the people who are
about to buy it.
So it's interesting that evenwith those people none of whom I

(10:12):
mean mishiri's got history withthe club to a degree obviously,
but it's not like, uh, you know, when bill kenwright was there,
you would say there's someonein there who was a a fan, and
I'm not that those people arewould describe themselves as
fans now, I guess.
But it's good to see that thatis being kind of maintained and
it's not.
This will be the moment wherethat maybe would fall apart and

(10:34):
it's really great that it hasn'tyeah, it's, it's, it's, look,
it's, it's really positive,isn't it?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
um, so, um, the.
Hopefully those things willcarry.
Those things will carry on.
I'm not sure what Spurs' ticketprice is.
Obviously you've got the Londonfactor and the fact they're a
hell of a lot better than us.
Just those two is one thing,yeah, but I don't know about.
I mean, how long have they beenin their stadium for now?

(11:00):
It's been about what?
Four years, four or five years.
Now I don't know what sort ofchanges they they made, but
obviously I think west ham'ssituation is relatively well
well known and, uh, the battlebetween the fans and the club
has been always been quite ahigh profile thing.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Um, yeah, west ham to me like an exact classic
example of like be careful whatyou wish for, because that
stadium's turned into anightmare for them, because they
can't really.
They don't really do much withit.
You can see there's decentchunks I mean a fully, I would
say half looking at the map ofthe west stand and a chunk of
the east stand is, um, reservedfor like what the club call, and

(11:43):
bars, restaurants andexperiences, which is all the
corporate stuff you know.
So it's a huge chunk of seats.
So you've got, you know, you'vegot all of the all the people
who are season ticket holders atEverton and people who come
regularly can pick seats and theextra capacity, basically the
extra for like people like you,all of us who are just buying
season tickets.

(12:03):
The ground's basically the samesize as it is now.
It's just better.
But they've added this extrabit, which is where people are
going to pay hundreds of poundsper game because they're going
to get a meal and drinks and allthat stuff and that's where
they're making their money.
So obviously, the economics ofit don't require them to, don't
require them to to.

(12:24):
You know, double what they're.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know what we're paying which is great to see,
yeah, and also we would not getin, we wouldn't get the sort of
interest that that the freegreen group and other groups
have shown without this, withoutthe prospect of the stadium as
well.
So that's been absolutely hugeto secure our you know, secure

(12:50):
our future, because mishiri, asas much, as as much money as he
spent he's been had a on thepitch, a net, net benefit, a net
loss, um, in terms of his uhcontribution to, to things on
the pitch.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I mean you can see with Mishiri like he's a
useful idiot, sounds reallyunfair and I don't want to be
unfair to him, but he obviouslyhas no idea how to run a
football club.
I absolutely know he's terribleat it, but he's put.
I mean, you know it wasinteresting.

(13:26):
You saw the new Premier Leaguerules around a shareholder loan.
I don't think we should getinto it because there's people
who covered this stuff reallyreally well.
But Everson have 400 millionpounds of shareholder loans from
Asheri and he confirmed aheadof that vote that he's going to
convert them into equity, whicheffectively, with how the deal

(13:46):
with the frequent works, meanswriting it off.
I mean, that's all it isbecause he's getting 50 million
for all his equity in the club.
So he's poured a huge amount.
I've said this before, but weall think Everton have hurt us.
They've hurt that man morebecause he was a billionaire
before he got near us and justnow he's rising to 400 million.

(14:07):
I think that maybe history willjudge him a bit differently
once he's not in charge.
I think maybe people will viewhim a little bit more kind than
they do now.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I think so, especially when you get inside
the ground and people are goingto see that experience, I think,
because it just does lookincredible.
You know, you look at some ofthat and they are only like old
mock-ups, but you know, youremember the infamous, you know,
Kirby debacle.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Tesco Stadium the .

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Tesco Stadium and you look at that and then you
compare it to this and I want togo back and thank every one of
those.
Keep Everton in our city.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I know, and I was so rude about those people, I know
right.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I know, because they were a barrier on progress and
they didn't want us to go andthey wanted to stay at Goodson
forever and we were dying as aclub Turns out they were right.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
They were totally right.
They were totally right.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It was a bad deal and we should have waited around
for a better one.
We did, and that's good yeah,was Bramley Moor.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Not Bramley Moor was, or the oh god King's Dock.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
King's Dock was first .
That's where the Echo Arena isnow.
Then Kirby was the TescoStadium.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
The King's Dock one.
I look back and I think it'sbollocks because I can't see how
you'd fit it there, becausethere's an arena there now
obviously, but it's like.
I mean I'm sure lots of peoplelisten to it.
I've been to the Echo Arena.
It's a good indoor arena, butit's not a sports stadium.
I mean it's tiny compared to asports stadium.

(15:42):
So you know, a sports stadiumit's tiny compared to a sports
stadium.
I don't know how you would haveactually put it there.
But yeah, the Kirby one waslike we thought that's the best
we could do and it turned out asyou say, ben, those people were
totally right.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I think they were sort of right.
But I think they were right,but not for the reasons.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean, maybe it would havenever come off anyway, but you
know, yeah, this is going to begreat.
Do you guys see the video ofthem putting the pitch down?
No, if you haven't watched it,it's really worth watching.
It's so, it's fascinatingbecause the pitch is a.
It's a hybrid.
So they planted they, you know,puts seed grass, seeds down a

(16:29):
couple months ago, I think now,and I've been obviously starts
that grow, but then they sew in.
They have this machine thatsews the fibers of the plastic
into it and it's incredible,this contraption they have,
which is like a small combineharvester or the size of like a
rubbish.
I don't know how you put whatdo you call a trash lorry back

(16:51):
in England?
Shit A bin lorry.
A bin lorry.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
How long have you?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
been away Seven years .
It's a bin lorry.
I don't know if you saidrubbish wagon.
It's basically the size of abin lorry and it sews these
threads into the turf and knitsthem together into this really

(17:18):
dense you know astroturfobviously but then the natural
grass grows in between it.
It's really anyway, look it up.
It's on the club's youtube.
It's fascinating and I'm gonnaI love those.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I love those stadium videos.
Like there's a great couple,not about every stadium, but
there's a spurs one which showshow they roll on and off the
pitch that they use for the nflum, so which is great.
And then the really incredibleone is the um, the uh, rather
stadium, where it shows becausethey like grow, they grow the

(17:51):
grass like underground, yeah,and they wheel it off in like
sections to put it under theseheat lamps or under the bottom
it still sits on top of eachother.
It sits on top of it.
It's incredible, like, yeah,and then all the lights are
there and and it all rolls in.
It's incredible.
Go watch it.
I can't.
I'm not doing justice to it'sridiculous.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
We're all, um, we're all guilty, aren't we, when we
do this stuff?
Like everton stadium is goingto cost a billion pounds and you
, you treat it like it's likebuilding a house or something.
It's just like a big house.
It's not at all.
It's a it's like what?
Like the engineering is wild.
I mean everton stadium.
There's a very pretty earlyvideo about the engineering
which I don't think was done bythe club.
It's all definitely on youtubeand essentially it floats like

(18:33):
it's not that you know, becauseobviously they filled it in, but
it's still.
The river's still there, thewater table's still there, so
essentially the stadium's builtlike it sort of floats and then
and they've got all this stuffto stabilize it, because it's
going to move over time.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
You know it's like incredible yeah it's well
remember the first when we firststarted doing it.
So like first startedconstruction years and years ago
now, like the first thing theyhad to do was basically like
stick a giant hose into themiddle of the mersey and pump a
load of sand in to fill it, andthat was how they were doing it.
They were filling it from sandin the Mersey, so the
engineering of it, as you say,is incredible.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Before that they had to catch all the fish.
They're scuba divers with netscatching all the fish.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
They had a couple of protected species that they had
to move.
There's like three protectedfish.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
That means we're delayed, took months so, yeah,
no, it's going to be great.
I'm looking forward.
I'm going to my, I'm going tobe at the derby with Adam and
that'll be my last game atGoodison, which will be sad, but
I'm really looking forward toseeing the new one in a few
months.
Anything else on the stadiumbefore we move on and talk about
the shit stuff?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, what about the brick, the floor tile that has
been purchased?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So there are two.
There's one for our dad, whichhe knows about, which is a
serious thanks.
I don't know if we owe himthanks for introducing us to
Everton.
Before you tell the second one,which he knows about, which is
a serious thanks.
I don't know if we owe himthanks for introducing us to
Everton, but before you tell thesecond one, I'm just going to
put this out there.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
What's the likelihood that someone from the club
listens to this?
Oh nil.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Okay, fine, it's not true.
Some people listen to this.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
We haven't done the podcast in about three months.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
We always going to be honest with you, dear listener,
there's a few hundred peoplelisten to this and we're
delighted we started doing it sowe could talk to each other
during covid.
So if you listen, we appreciateit.
But, being completely honest,it's not for you, it's for us.
So, uh, you know we're going todo what we want to do.
I don't think so.
Look, if they haven't spottedit, they've got to have QA

(20:48):
checks so people can't just calltheir or something.
I've got to bleep that now.
I need to write that down.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, to be fair, no, they didn't spot Anne Frank in
the memorial of the year.
No, they didn't.
They didn't.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I forgot about that.
They ran a whole.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
They ran a video.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
She was on the big screen the most famous teenager
in the world so for those of youwho don't know what Adam's
referencing, a couple of yearsago there was an in memoriam
where people got to submit theirfamily or friends, evertonians
who died that year, and theywere all laughing this is
terrible and being scouted.
Someone some genius sickocomedian submitted a photo of

(21:29):
Anne Frank with a caption thatbasically said you know,
greatest Evertonian ever, loveyou, anne, and Everton ran it in
the stadium Just put up apicture of Anne Frank with this
message, as if she'd died thatyear.
So there is absolutely a veryserious chance that the stone
that Austen has had madeabsolutely makes it through and

(21:51):
is placed outside it was a blackand white photo Of Anne Frank.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
And the irony being, of course, hitler was a
Nefertonian.
You can bet she wouldn't havebeen if she'd known Anyway.
So we have a lovely one for ourdad.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
This has really gone off the rails.
We've got to Hitler after like25 minutes.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's perfect, no notes.
But I also have another onewhich says it's I think it's
funny if you read it, but thishas been a.
I've got the certificate fromthe club.
They're going to put it in.
It basically says save yourself, turn around now and uh, and
hopefully by, obviously, if thatgets, if the club put that in

(22:40):
the in the ground on the way tothe stadium, then I can retire
from my job complete.
So yeah, it'll be the best £60I ever spent or whatever it was.
I got a cheap one for the joke,the one we got Dad's, one of
the big ones, yeah.
So yeah, it's going to bereally looking forward to it.
In all kinds of ways it's goingto be brilliant.

(23:01):
And some of the videos, if youhaven't watched, the club have
put out one video now which hasthey did these stand tours and
julia bull did one.
A couple of the other evertonkind of fan sites didn't were in
them.
It was really good that the umjust like kind of just showing
around each stand, but they putthem out as one video and one of
them I think it's from the uh,it must be from the south stand.

(23:22):
The view from that bar area isbrilliant because it's like
looking out.
It sticks out onto the river,so it's just this view of the
city from the river.
It's absolutely spectacular,looking forward to it.
The other thing actually, youcan walk around.
All the corporate stuff is inone spot and you can't walk

(23:43):
through there.
But from one end of excusethere, but from one end of
excuse me, for one end of that.
If you imagine the, you knowthe sort of the, the, the
stadium is a kind of a big, youknow, rectangle.
Obviously from one end, fromthe north bit, it'd be weird if
it was a pentagon.
Yeah, this is that would be.
Yeah, it's a bit more worriedabout.
Is it a bowl?
No, it's not a.
It's got eight sides this time.

(24:04):
So you can walk around from,basically, where the sort of
normal seats start, about athird of the way on the west
stand, you can walk all the wayaround to the other side of the
corporate bit.
So you'll be able to like meetup with people who are sitting
in different places at halftime,or before or after, or whatever
.
Each stand is a separate thingwhich is a very.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
It's a, that's a very american sports stadium thing.
Yeah, like, and obviously danmice, who designed it is, you
know, designed some, uh, a lotof american sports stadiums.
But if you go to nfl stadiumsand baseball stadiums in fact
it's a very big thing atbaseball stadiums that you watch
a bit of baseball from one bitand then you walk around and you
go watch it from another bitand then you go sit in the

(24:47):
bleachers or you go sit up inthe top bit or you go.
So it's, it's the the sort ofconcept of making it all like
inclusive in terms of being ableto walk all around.
Yeah, and the other thing thatthat, um, I don't know if
they're going to do this, butbrighton do a really great thing
where after the game, they openthe bars up after them.
Yeah, where they and it'sactually brighton do it because
the trains, um, in the southeastof england are shit, so they

(25:10):
just don't want a fat like 20000 people angry queuing at a
station while they wait for aninevitably delayed train.
So what they do is they openthe bars up after the game and
they're open access around theground, so, like, if you're, in
a way fat.
If you've got a mate sat in thehome section, you can walk out
the ground, walk to the homesection, walk in and go and have

(25:30):
a pint with them at the bar,which I've done on once.
So yeah, they, they open thebars up after the, after the
game.
I'm not sure they're going todo that at bramley more, but
like that's the sort of thingthat this gives you the scope
for, because you've got thespace to do it, which obviously
Goodison doesn't have.
If you open the bars ofGoodison afterwards you'd have a
crutch like yeah, yeah, I'd besurprised if they don't do
something.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
It might not work exactly at Brighton's, I guess,
but because there's not manypubs around that area and I'm
sure a bunch will open.
But it, you know, and peoplelike the, you know, the people
will, entrepreneurs will takeadvantage of the stadium.
I'm sure that's all going tohappen.
But if you're Everton, youwould want to say, well, yeah, I
want people to.
I mean, they want to clear thestadium out at some point, but

(26:12):
yeah, they'll want peoplehanging around and certainly
beforehand, I think they'll wantpeople meeting up inside for
drinks and stuff beforehand.
So I think it's going to changethe whole kind of, uh, the whole
kind of experience.
Um, because it's a bit of a say, I'm sure this will change.
But, yeah, like, the streetsaround there are a bit of a
wasteland really, becausethere's only that one kind of
main road and there's a coupleof pubs on there.

(26:33):
We were going to do very well,but, um, I think a lot of that
is going to happen inside theground now, which will be fun,
yeah, um, all right, we've gotto talk about football.
I'm sorry to do this toeverybody.
Ben, tell us why you were rightthree months ago about sacking
Sean Dyche.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Because I said we should have sacked him, probably
after the Bournemouth game thatwe lost at home after being 2-0
up in the 87th minute, anddefinitely after the Aston Villa
game, the next game where wedid precisely the same thing,
slightly earlier minute-wise.
But, like there, because he isnot, he's not a winner.
He's not a winner of footballgames, he is, he is, he operates

(27:15):
on the on the basis that apoint is okay and you have seen,
and that just leads you intobad positions, like it leads you
to sitting back, it leads youto costing your goals and, as
we've seen in the last couple ofgames, it leads you to playing
torrid, horrible, turgidfootball in games that you
should absolutely be winning.
West Ham were rubbish when weplayed them away from home and

(27:38):
we were happy with no nil.
Brentford went down to 10 menjust before halftime and we were
happy with with.
We weren't collectively and I'mglad I'm never glad, honestly
glad that Goodison booed them,because you don't want.
You know, I think there's anegativity that can creep in,
but like, I'm glad that they gotthe reaction rather than like,
hey, great point everyone, whichwas absolutely what Sean Dyche

(28:00):
was probably telling to thedressing room because he is a
negative, unsophisticated,boring, slightly arrogant
manager who has no business atall managing Everton Football
Club.
And like we're all verygrateful that he kept us up and
he'll probably keep us up thisseason if he stays in the job
long enough.
But like our ambitions shouldbe so astronomically higher than

(28:24):
sean fucking dyche and you arejust seeing what he is turning
us into.
We are astonishingly boring towatch.
We have absolutely no idea howto score a goal, and I don't
mean that like, oh, we're kindof unlucky.
Like we literally tell me whatour plan is to score a goal.
That's not work really hard, orscore a goal from a set piece

(28:47):
or across, that's it.
You look at all the best teamsin the league and I'm not saying
like, oh, we should be like mancity, like blah blah, blah with
you know, you know passages ofplay and patterns of play and
all that.
But like because they're thebest in the world, they have the
best players.
You look at any team right,they all have a plan.
The good ones have a plan toscore a goal.
It doesn't always work, but youknow what their plan is.
You can watch them and go okay,they're trying to play like

(29:07):
this in the final third, ourfinal third play.
I watch League One teams whohave more of an idea what to do
in the final third than we do.
It's honestly, it's like wedon't practice it.
Our transition play is awful.
We don't attack it in any sortof coordination, we are

(29:28):
basically hoping that it landsat someone's feet and they stick
it in the net.
And the xg thing, I don't know.
We've all talked about this andxg is, you know, it is a good
measure of lots of things.
Our xg is generated by itbasically landing up at
someone's feet and then wesometimes get lucky because they
finish it and we sometimesdon't.
We never.
When was the last time youactually look at a goal we
scored or a chance we createdand you go oh, that was a really
intricate, organized passingmove where everyone knew where

(29:50):
everyone was going to be.
There's basically been two thatI can think of all season.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
One is in die's goal against uh lester, which was
what I was thinking of with theyoung player which was an
actually young pass.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Actually young who is , you know, old but technically
a much better footballer thanlots of the players in our squad
was the Ashley Young pass,which was one pass, one
individual moment of sort ofbreath.
And then, in the Villa game,just before we conceded, I think
the first one, or maybe thesecond one Calvert-Lewin was
played through, cleaned throughand fluffed it up, because
that's what DominicCalvert-Lewin does with

(30:21):
one-on-one opportunities andthere was a sequence of passing
there which was like pretty good, but like what?
can all the other goals we score.
The two against Ipswich werelike oh, it bobbles around in
the box and it lands insomeone's feet and they stick it
in.
We didn't score againstBrentford, we couldn't create
anything.
We didn't score against.
Against West Ham, we didn'tcreate anything like it.

(30:41):
I'll pass over to someone elsenow because I feel like I've
made the point.
But it is terrible football.
It is depressing to watch,there's no plan, and I don't
think he has any ability to makeit any better, because this is
who he is and who he has beenfor all time, and it's just
taken us a while to get to thepoint where it's actually
unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Adam thoughts.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I mean, yeah, I'm not quite as vociferous as Ben
about it.
I mean, I've found, over thelast, like games I do broadly
agree with, like the footballand the purely aesthetic side of
things, and at the end of theday, you know, this is a

(31:24):
recreational activity that weall partake in, so you do want
to be entertained.
You know, I've never I'vechanged my mind a lot over the
idea of, like you know,football's about winning games.
Um, yes, to a degree, you wantto do it in a decent way.
We came eighth with samallardyce and still sacked him
because the football we'replaying was shite.

(31:45):
Um, so, um, yeah, I mean Idisagree with Ben, like the, the
bluntness of Ben's point around, uh, like it falling at
someone's feet.
I mean, just take the examplethat you used about, um, yeah,
the Iptwich goal, michaelKeane's goal was actually quite
well worked.
Dwight McNeill is one of ourfew creative players and he

(32:11):
really showed his creativity todo a nice pass through to
Michael Keane who then, as he isone of our best finishers at
the club, puts it away reallynicely.
And we do have a plan.
We do have a plan to score agoal.
Yes, it is around set piecesand it's not working as well, um
, but I mean, I've seen it, I'veseen in the games that we've
played already and on you knowit obviously.

(32:33):
I mean I'll reference thebrighton game, which obviously
we lost three nil and that showsthe issue around dice, that the
way our team is set up is thatwe are very vulnerable to
counterattacks, but there isstill a clear strategy to score
goals, which is to press high,win the ball back.

(32:54):
We just don't have the playersthat can finish enough chances.
You know Calvert-Lewin, I havezero confidence in him scoring
any meaningful chance, really.
And just to go back onto XG,because obviously that was
something that I referenced anumber of times last season in

(33:14):
defence of Dyche, and we were byfar.
Our difference between our XGand actual goals was like more
than more than yeah, more thandouble the.
It was around this time lastseason and in the subsequent

(33:34):
months it was around double theteam that had the second biggest
difference between actual andexpected goals.
Um, but now I think it's like I, we've scored what?
10 goals and our expected goalsis about 14 or 13 or something
like that.
So there's not an awful lot ofdifference.
Uh, an awful lot of differencethere, um, and yes, we've become

(33:58):
more solid at the back andwe're conceding, um, we're
conceding like fewer chances,but even, but we have rode our
luck.
Let's be honest.
Like if there was a gameagainst um you know West Ham,
for example, you know they couldhave you could easily see a
situation where West Ham winthat and same with with with
Brentford.
You know they had a good numberof chances.
But yeah, I think one of my maingripes just add to Ben's

(34:23):
general point about thefootballing.
It's his and Ben is right todescribe him as arrogant.
We said this at the time aroundsubstitutions, particularly the

(34:43):
Villa game, the Villa game andthe Bournemouth game before that
, I think.
At the time of the Bournemouthgame I was like very much
anti-player and the playersshouldn't do that and I still
maintain that position.
Like that just shouldn't happen.
You know you concede threegoals to in in final four
minutes of of normal time, plusextra, plus plus injury time to
to lose.
That shouldn't happen, you know.

(35:03):
But it was.
That situation was exacerbatedby Dyche's insistence on playing
players that had ran themselvesinto the ground and it's like
he doesn't have that ability,seemingly, to change things and

(35:26):
make wholesale substitutions.
I was just watching theBrighton-Southampton game before
and they made like Southamptonmade like two substitutions
where they bring off.
They brought off theirdefensive mind of fullback and

(35:47):
brought on Ryan Fraser who's,like you know, played left wing
back but very much, like youknow, was attacking very much,
put in about four or fivecrosses in the 20 minutes he was
on and brought on Joe Arribawho was like an attacking
midfielder.
So Southampton won one away atBrighton.
Yes, they could look at thatand go.

(36:08):
We'll take a draw.
Or they can go the RobertoMartinez way of going if we win
one game out of three, or we getthree points out of those three
, or we can draw two of them andlose one, we've got a net loss
of one point.
So it's that sort of attitudethat Russell Martin seems to
have and credit to him and otherteams seem to have that Dyche

(36:35):
seemingly doesn't, and I can'timagine any situation where his
contract gets renewed at the endof the season because obviously
it's due to expire at the endof this season.
So if you're sitting therewanting him gone and Ben
obviously makes his pointextremely clear that he does

(37:00):
then at least you've only gotuntil May to suffer it, and then
there'll be a fresh start in anew stadium.
Do we think he lasts that long?
Then at least you've only gotuntil May to sort of suffer it,
and then there'll be a freshstart in a new stadium.
Do we think he lasts that long?
No, I'm just saying no.
I'm not saying that he does,I'm just saying no, no but I'm
asking it as genuinely.
Do we think he lasts?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
If the Friedkin group come in mid-December, which is
basically when they're meant todo the takeover, and then the
results continue like do we do?
We think he makes it throughjanuary I think they'll fire him
before christmas, I thinkhonestly.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I agree, I don't think he makes it in the season.
No, what I'm, I'm just yeah, I'msaying like he won't get his
contract renewed yeah, yeah, no,I, I agree, we understand, I
think, because it depends on thetiming of their approval.
I think they obviously, becauseit's got to be tied, a manager
coming in in january's thetransfer window is going to be

(37:50):
on their mind and there'll bequestions there and psr and yeah
.
So still tied up in that andit's true.
But I think if they're in aposition to get the coach they
want and I'm going to ask youguys in a second who you would
like that to be so startthinking about answers to get
the coach.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I can tell you right.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I can tell you right now it's the same person I
wanted when we hired last timeall right, great, let's come
back around to it, let's do it,let's do this in some sort of
order.
Uh, then I think they'll.
I think they'll make a move,because why would you not right,
especially if the personhypothetically the person you're
thinking of is out of work, andmaybe they are ben.
Um, I was just following acouple of things.

(38:25):
Basically, I agree with both ofyou.
I've come round to this and Idon't watch our football and
think it's necessarily that bad.
But I think there are a coupleof those stats tells us we're
the most direct team in theleague.
I mean, that's undeniable.
I wouldn't necessarily say thatanecdotally watching us, but
that is stats wise.
That is, we play more longpasses than any other team.

(38:45):
We have the lowest averagepercentage of any team in the
league in terms of possession.
And there are a couple of thingswith dice that I've come around
to thinking are a real, justfundamental flaws.
The first is related tosomething you said about
substitutions.
I'll come out slightlydifferently.
He does have a philosophy.
He said before you verypublicly transitions are what
the Premier League games won andlost in transitions.

(39:07):
So he's terrified aboutnegative transitions and he sees
the opportunity in them.
So there is a legitimatestrategy and that's where I
disagree with you, ben, a littlebit that there isn't a plan to
score a goal.
I think, as Adam said, there isa plan, it's just not a very
good one.
The plan to score goals is topress high hard, win the ball

(39:27):
back, win the opposition,because all these possession
teams, they all move around, sowhen they're on the ball they're
out of position.
It's how Martinez, we gotfucked under Martinez all the
time was because no one was inthe right place when we turned
the ball over.
So now the problem I thinkwe've been very good at that and
you can see that the problem isyou then get tired because

(39:48):
you're, and it's not even aboutbeing fitter, right.
It's not even about becausepeople say, oh, you should be
fit enough.
It's about whether you'reworking harder than the other
team on that day, right?
So not about like, are you fitenough to be a Premier League
team To do that?
You're going to work harderthan your opposition, right?
So come 80 minutes, 75 minutes,they are going to have more
energy than you.
And this is where you see, timeand again, we get caught late

(40:10):
on because he won't make thechanges or he's not capable of
it.
And I think, actually, if you'regoing to, I think you could be
a really successful managercoach with this strategy.
But you would have to havereally great game management to
know who to replace and when, tomake sure you didn't just get
leggy, and he doesn't do that.
So he'd only got half, he'donly doing half the job,

(40:32):
basically.
And then the other one whichhad been I was talking about the
other day, which I think yousaid it is this winning thing, I
think in the players' minds youhear him afterwards we haven't
lost in eight games.
Ashley Young said the samething.
That's the criteria for successDon't lose, and that's fine.
If you want to not get relegated, it's fine.
If you want to get out of thechampionship even, it's not fine

(40:53):
if you want to be, as you said,ben, the manager of Everton.
I think that's.
I think he wants to win everygame.
I think he coaches the teamwith a plan to win every game.
But it's like there's a majorand a minor.
The major is don't lose.
The minor is try and win.
And I am a complete believernot necessarily in Roberto

(41:14):
Martinez's actual coaching offootball teams, which I think is
a little bit hit and miss, butthe philosophy which is, you
know, martinez's philosophy,adam, you said basically is if
you go shit or bust, you'redrawing.
And you go shit or bust and yousay it's a coin toss, half the
time you win, half the time youlose, you net up.
You'll end up with more pointsthan just holding on to the draw

(41:35):
, and I think that's basicallyright and I think that's where
Dyche has always been a 1.17points per game manager.
Anyway, ben, who shouldEverton's next manager be?
Stun us with your.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Everton's next manager should be the person we
hired when we hired RobertoMartinez, which is Graham Potter
.
And Graham Potter is available.
He's not working at the minute.
There is talk that there hasbeen discussion between him and
the Friedkin group about this.
He's apparently on theirshortlist.
He understands the PremierLeague, did a tremendous job at
Brighton, plays good, attractivefootball.

(42:10):
I think is the right sort ofpsychological profile to deal
with all the inevitable dramathat comes with being Everton
football manager.
We should have hired him thelast two times and I'm hopeful
that we will rectify thatmistake this time.
I think there are plenty ofothers on any prospective
shortlist, but yeah, grahamPotter is absolutely top of mind
because I think the freakinggroup could come in fire.

(42:32):
Dyche, hire Potter immediately,before January, and then
actually I think you're off to agood start.
The thing is we all say looselyoh, dyche is going to keep us up
, but we aren't like it's notgoing to be.
When you operate on the basisthat you're on the margins,

(42:53):
right, it's only one or twothings that could go against you
.
That totally changes that.
Like.
People seem to forget.
We stayed up on the last day acouple of seasons ago because of
one goal, one goal that I justalready scored, and if we'd
conceded or Leicester had scored, we'd have gone down.
So like we were razor close togoing down.

(43:13):
And now Dice had obviously onlybeen there for half the season.
But when you're off, whenyou're happy and comfortable of
playing football and managinggames and managing the season in
a way that goes, oh, oh, it'llbe tight, but we'll be okay, you
are like one bounce of the ballfrom it really not being okay
and I just think, like why do we, why do we need, why do we

(43:35):
accept that?
Like yeah, dyche probably doeskeep us up, but I'm pretty sure
a better manager than Sean Dychekeeps us up more comfortably.
We've resorted this to likewe've sort of accepted this
whole narrative that Dice hasspun us, that like we're lucky
to have him because he'll keepus in the Premier League.
It's like, well, there's plentyof managers who would keep us

(43:55):
in the Premier League, actually,because our squad is our start
at 11 isn't actually that bad,and there's plenty of other
factors around around the clubthat make us better, a better
team than than some of theothers.
But like you look at the tablenow like we are one, we are one
set of results from being 19th.
Like we're on 11 points andcrystal palace, who were in in

(44:16):
19th, are on eight points.
Like you are one set of resultsfrom being smack in the
relegation zone.
So this idea that like, oh,it'll be fine is built on like
yeah, it probably will be, butwhy?
Why would you take the risk onthe margins?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, when it's easy to make a change.
Adam, who would your pick be ifyou were?
You know, excluding theunrealistic ones, maybe, but who
would you choose if you weremaking a call right now?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
yeah, I mean Graham Potter would be my, my
preference, I think for thestyle of play element to it as
well, but there's another manwho's obviously available and I
would have to.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I knew I was hoping someone was going to bring him
up.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I wasn't.
No, I was not thinking of JoseMourinho.
I was thinking of, I wasthinking of David, I was
thinking of Moyes.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh, jesus Christ, they weren't at Moyes.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
No, no, no.
I'm not saying like I'm talkingabout preference, not realism
Like I would love to have DavidMoyes back because I think you
know he gets a bad rap for thesort of style of play that he
does.
And he showed what a fantasticmanager he was at West Ham and

(45:30):
there, you know, albeit theirgood result away at Newcastle,
it showed you that you know, thegrass isn't necessarily always
greener.
And I think he's still a reallygood coach, a really good man,
manager.
So I'd be more than happy tosee him back.
But, yeah, graham Part Potterwould be my preference and I
wouldn't touch Jose Mourinhowith a barge pole.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I think Graham Potter is the most likely outcome.
It depends what happens on thetiming of what they do with Dash
when the takeover's complete,because I think if you're making
a change December, I think it'sPotter or Moyes really, unless
they did something weird likeDavid Ancelotti or something
like that which is possible.

(46:12):
I think there's a world whereCarlo Ancelotti comes back as
our manager actually when thetiming's right, but I don't
think that happens now.
Yeah, I just think he's.
I think he would.
Obviously Carlo is a closepersonal friend, so I speak with
great authority on this.
I think he thinks he feelsmaybe a bit unfinished business

(46:34):
and that there's something hecould do with the right platform
.
Then the other one, who's?
I think won't be this time, butif the timing were different
and I think maybe if this werehappening next summer could
happen actually with Eddie Howewho you know grew up as an
Evertonian and I think he's notgoing to be Newcastle's manager.
You know, I don't think beyondthis season.

(46:56):
I'd be very surprised if he was.
So I think there's morepossibilities, but I think if it
was December I don't see you'dhave to make a strong argument
not to hire Graham Potter.
I think you say he's available.
You haven't got to pay anyoneany compensation for him.
You know he's going to, he'sgot just because the Freakins
love a bit of star power.
You know they're Hollywoodpeople a little bit.

(47:19):
So I think Graham Potter wouldbe on the bottom end of that
scale but probably justqualifies.
I think Moyes doesn't, andthat's why I think something
like Mourinho, I think, is anon-zero possibility, seriously,
because they've worked with himbefore and they fired him, of
course but they know him.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
He's Fenerbahce's manager, so I mean there's that
element, isn't there.
He's noterdinand Bacce'smanager, so I mean there's that
element, isn't there.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He's not yeah, but I mean I think Everton are a bunch
bigger.
I think he'd rather Him beingJose Mourinho.
Is basically Donald Trump, rightLike he just wants the biggest
stage possible to fuck with asmany people as possible and, I
think, coming back to thePremier League to fuck with
everyone for another tumultuous12.
I wouldn't hire him to becurrent because I think he's a

(48:06):
disaster, but I would not ruleit out.
I think the freekins would havethe ability to have the pulling
power.
And when he joined Roma, youhear Roma fans talking about him
.
That was like they couldn'tbelieve this superstar manager
had joined them.
It's not like you know, romawere pulling up trees and they

(48:29):
were mid-table Serie A sidehadn't done anything for years
and years.
So, and obviously it was adisaster, because Mourinho is
always a disaster, but Iwouldn't.
I think the weakness I'velistened to a bunch of Roma fans
talking on various things abouttheir kind of managerial
shenanigans, which has been wildthis year.

(48:49):
I mean, they hired De Rossi andfired him and the fans went
nuts and the CEO resigned.
They've had a real shit showover there with managers and
their weakness is they want abit of rock star.
So I think that's going to bemore of a factor than we might
like.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
The other names I would throw out there for the
purposes of not just making thisa Graham Potter love it, I
think, and these are partly oneswe've been linked with and
partly ones that I would like tosee.
I'm a big fan of CarlosCorberon, who is the I'm
probably pronouncing his surnamewrong, but who's the West Brom
manager.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I don't think that's the right pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
He is, he's done.
You talk to West Brom fans,they love him, they love the
style of football he's got them,you know, back into the playoff
places in the championship.
The other two that we've beenlinked with, which are, you know
, was Maurizio Sarri, who isagain the sort of star power
kind of thing that the Freakenslike, and the other one is Edin
Terzic, who was the BorussiaDortmund manager again star

(49:51):
power element.
He left Borussia Dortmund.
Did he leave Borussia Dortmund?
Oh yeah, he left after theylost in the Champions League
final against Real Madrid.
So he is also available andprobably fits the same sort of
style of star power Friedkingroup thing that they would like

(50:15):
.
So I mean no idea if he wouldbe interested in coming to do
the Everton job, but we gotCarlo Ancelotti on, so you know
you can't dream.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I wouldn't underestimate.
We've got newer American owners, bigger pulling power.
There'll be money, not insidePSR, but we've mostly fixed our
PSR.
The stadium is going to make ahuge difference to that because
it's going to increase ourrevenue.
I think we may be thinkingabout we're in danger of
thinking about this the wrongway around.

(50:43):
What I think we really need tofocus on is I pushed for Rafa
Benitez and that was a fuckingdisaster.
Andy pushed for Sean Dyson.
That was a fucking disaster.
So now we need Graham Potter tocome in be a fucking disaster,
and then we can have Moiseyagain, and then we'll have a
everyone will have the full well, we're the full complement.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
It would be genuinely quite impressive if the three
Everton managers consecutivelywere three people that we
predicted on this podcast.
Yeah, of all the footballmanagers in the world, although
maybe it would actually give aninsight into the lack of
creative thinking.
I know the four brothers on ourpodcast came up with the same
list of names.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'm not saying any of us would be good at actually
managing a football team.
Football fans know more aboutfootball than professional
football people give them creditfor.
I think there's a lot ofarrogance around that.
There's a lot in actually doingthe job that I would be shit at
.
But we've all watched thousandsof games of football, thousands

(51:46):
that gives you you know what'sgood and what's not good.
And this is part of the thing,I think, with Dyche a little bit
, and it's a shame because hewas refreshing in this sense.
Martinez basically got firedbecause he kept telling us we
saw things we didn't see andthat's unforgivable.
You can't get away with that.
Basically, you know thephenomenal stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
The other thing that Dice does, though and I think
this is sort of your point is hereally gets wound up by fan
criticism in a way that's nothelpful.
Like dude, just ignore it, justignore it.
Because you see him in the press.
When the fans were leaving hemade a Like dude, just ignore it
.
Just ignore it.
Because you see him in thepress, like when the fans were
leaving, you made a jibe about.
You know well, that's just whatthey like here if you're not

(52:29):
winning.
And then, out of nowhere theother day during the
international break, because youknow there's been a discussion
about McNeil playing in themiddle, which is something that
we advocated been some talkabout, and I actually think it
would work better if he playedthan jai there, because he can
go both ways, use both feet.
He's creative.
He's better on the ball.
Mcneil has been good in themiddle and he's created lots of

(52:50):
opportunities, but he is very.
He doesn't limit you because hecan only turn one way, because
he only has a left foot, so likehe's not in the sense yeah,
almost we don't have you everseen dwight Miller's right foot?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
There's a boot there.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Is there a foot in it ?
I have no idea.
There's no evidence.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
He's never used it for anything.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, he did.
Actually, he did use it againstBournemouth and he spooned
Brentford and he spooned a shotthat he should.
Yeah, he had a shot on hisright foot and you could see the
panic in his eyes as realisedhe was going to have to shoot on
his right foot and he spoonedit about eight yards wide
Because the bootie just stuck tothe bottom of a limb.
There's no foot in there so likebut the point is, Ndai in the

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middle is a sort of somethingthat's been in the ether, and in
the international breakShondyce came in.
I can't remember I don't knowwhat the interview was or what
particularly.
He was like talking, why he wastalking about it, but he was
like really went out of his wayto say like I've got loads of
people telling me that, um,ilham and jai should play as the
10 and I've just there's noevidence for that, there's no
basis.
I'm like why are you like?

(53:52):
Why are you getting wound?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
up by, like you've got to be able to tune that out.
I mean, yeah, you know.
Like, yeah, why do you care,mate?
Like it's a shame really,because I think, when I am like
for long time with Dyche, thefact that when we were shit he
sounded like he'd watched thesame game I had, and now he
doesn't, he's lost that.
Now I think it's he does thissort of oh, I'm disappointed

(54:14):
thing, but it's like really, andyou're right, I think he is a
bit kind of, he is a bitsensitive to it.
Alright, alright, we need towrap up.
Let's do predictions, becauseEverton are playing Manchester
United in two days, which we'venot talked about at all, and
we're not going to because Idon't even want to think about
it.
Except we are going to do scorepredictions.
Man United new manager stillnot a very good group of players

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.
Adam, what's your prediction?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
tough one.
It is tough.
I just think the first game atOld Trafford in the Premier
League for Amarim will be toomuch, I think, and their players
have an awful lot to prove.
So, as tempting as it is to dothe Mark Lawrenson, we will
never lose a game ever.

(55:02):
I will predict us to lose 2-1.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Why do you think we're going to score a goal, Ben
?
What's your prediction?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
I'm going to predict it's 2-0, because the belief
that we're going to score ishilariously misplaced.
Yeah, I would.
It's 2-0.
It's a loss.
I just can't see anything elsecoming out of it.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I agree with that.
I think 2-0.
I think you're right.
The man Utd are going tooverwhelm us.
We're going to try and keepthem out and we'll fail.
Maybe, maybe 1-0, somethinglike that.
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