What to do about Dyche, and Spurs Preview

Are Evertonian's expecting too much from Sean Dyche? We break down the 3-0 defeat to Brighton, and preview the Spurs game this weekend.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I like Sean Dyche.
I think he's perfectly good asan Everton manager.
I think he'll do what we needto do, which is to stay in the
Premier League.
But we are living in cloudcuckoo land if we think that
he's going to do anything excepteverything that he.
Blues Brothers Misery Evertonpodcast.
Here we are again Hopes anddreams.

(00:36):
We had last week Hopes anddreams and they were predictably
crushed.
Ben dodged the bullet of notmaking a prediction on the uh on
the brighton game, so uh canhold his head high.
The rest of us, um, uhpredicted glory and uh, everton
intervened and brought us backto reality.

(00:56):
But here we are onwards.
Um, so we got.
Adam, ben and dad are all inthe same place.
They're all all at home back inMansfield and I'm staring at
them, all looking like they'rebeing held hostage.
I'll put a photo on our Twitterso you can see what I'm looking
at.
The lighting is not doing us anyfavours.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It is very.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Afghanistan, circa 2002.
Andy's not here.
He described himself.
Andy said he was out.
That was the only thing he said.
So God knows what he's not here.
He described him.
Andy said he was out.
That was the only thing he said.
So God knows what he's up to,but I hope he's having a great
time.
Dad, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm okay, thanks.
Yeah, I'm very good.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Awesome Ben.
How's life?
Yeah, all very good.
We arrived here earlier today,so yeah, all good For the record
.
And earlier today, so yeah, allgood For the record.
And it's easy to say this afterthe fact I was going to predict
us to lose 2-1 to Brighton andfor the season prediction, I
think we're going to finish 16th.
So one of those is easier tobelieve after the fact than the

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other.
But there we go, we'll see howit works out, Adam how's life?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, I'm good, thank you.
Yeah, all good Awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
All right.
Well, we're going to talk aboutthe Brighton game.
We're going to talk a littlebit about transfer stuff.
We're going to talk about theTottenham game, adam, I'll start
with you.
You and Dad went to this game.
I believe I watched it on TV inNew York, so obviously I have a
sort of view on that as well.
But, adam, what was it like?
I think people know the sort ofa sense that it was very

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similar to last season in thatwe really dominated first half.
Then obviously it fell apart.
It seemed like the atmospheresort of obviously a lot of empty
seats by the end.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Like describe the feeling in the game and what the
crowd was sort of feeling as wewent through that.
Well, we had I mean theapplause and, like you know, the
noise at the start of the gamewas incredible.
I would describe it as aDerby-esque sort of roar that
the fans gave when we came outand I think maybe the fact that
it's our last season at Goodisonmaybe had something to do with
that.
So they were right behind themand the game started and the

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players reacted to that reallywell and our game plan was very
obvious, which was to press high, win the ball back, catch them
off guard and try and score, andit worked really really well.
I think I counted in the firsthalf.
Brighton obviously have got asystem which is where they only
ever want to play out from theback, which sometimes involves
their central defender actuallytaking a goal kick to the

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goalkeeper, which is a bit oddand I counted only two occasions
in the first half where theyactually got through our press
and that's not got through asinto danger as in actually they
got out of, I would say, theirthird of the pitch because they
gave it away.
At least put it out for athrow-in or we won it back at

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least six or seven times.
So it worked really really well.
So that showed how well-drilledwe were and also how poor and
unconfident Brighton were.
And because that that's whatthe first half was, it was.
It was us, us, dom, we reallydid dominate that game, um for

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the first, for most of the firsthalf, and then brighton scored
on their first first attack andit sort of then killed the um.
It sort of killed theatmosphere a little bit.
And I think to address yourthing about the fans in
particular and how they sort offelt with all the empty seats, I
think a lot of that was justfrustration, because we knew

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that we played well, we knewthat how well we'd done, and
then we ended up being threegoals down and it wasn't a 3-0
game, it really wasn't.
I think they were just.
You know they were clinical anda mixture of them being
clinical in front of goal, butyou know some really really poor
defending for the second goalin particular, where you know

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everyone just backs off andbacks off the main threat, which
is the person with the ball.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah the ball.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
yeah, yes, which is mad.
I was saying it to Dad until hewas probably sick of me saying
it Like you close down theperson with the ball because
he's running straight through.
You don't back off and back off, and back off until he can just
knock it in from 20 yards, yeah.
So, yeah, it was reallydisappointing the result was.

(05:30):
But I said in the podcastbefore the game I wanted to see
a real positive performance andwe definitely saw that in the
first half.
And then, you know, obviously,when Ashley Young did his usual
Ashley Young thing, which is to,you know, put us in the shit,

(05:50):
he you know that sort of killedany sort of any chance that we
got.
And we've had a good couple ofopportunities in the game
because, you know, obviously wehad the offside with Decore and
the bad miss by McNeil, and thenwe had the penalty incident,
but we did have.
We had the offside with Decoreand the bad miss by McNeill, and
then we had the penaltyincident.
But we had a good three or fourdecent opportunities in that

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first half, whereas Brighton hadtwo where they hit the post and
then scored.
So we had the better of thegame in the first half and then
their goal sort of took away ourendeavour, and Ashley Young put
to bed any chance of gettingback into the game.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Dad, what was your sense of that?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, yeah, I mean I think we huffed and puffed a
little bit in the first half.
Their first attack was whenthey hit the post actually.
So they only had two attacks,two big attacks in the first
half, but I thought they weremuch more clinical than we were.

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They were quicker on the ball.
You know, when they attackedthey attacked with intent, even
though it was only a couple oftimes as we huffed and puffed
and we had the chances.
And the second half we justdisintegrated.
Obviously, the Ashley Youngsending off sending off didn't

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help, but to me, and I think tolots of Evertonians, it was a
throwback to somewhere where wethought we weren't going to be
this season, playing poorly,getting hammered at home when
you're expected to win,particularly on the back of the
end of last season where we hadthe five victories home
victories on the balance.
So I think it came to a shock tous all, all Evertonians.

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You know, Adam and I, we wentafter the third goal, as did,
you know, most other people,because I think we were just
surprised.
It's just, I wasn't expectingit.
All the pundits were expectingus to win.
Yeah, you know, all the punditsare saying we're 12th or 13th
and you're beginning to think,you know, even after one game is

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it going to be the same?
Yeah, you know, we're stillgoing to have all this spectre
of you know, the best ground inthe Championship.
You know, and I know it's onlyone game, but these things may
not certainly in my mind now andmy guess is in the minds of
lots of Evertonians,unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, because it's such a, because it's so
reminiscent of the start of lastseason and that Fulham game
isn't it.
It literally is.
Here we go again.
So, as you think about this,obviously there's things that
the managers and the coaches do,and then there's the things
that the players do, and youknow football holds managers to
account for everything.
It very rarely is.

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You know they never sackplayers right, because that
would be too expensive, ben,what do you think?
You know, having thought aboutthis game for a few days now,
you know it was a real failureto lose 3-1 to Brighton.
Where is it on that mix of howthe team is drilled and coached
and set up, versus decisions?

(09:00):
I mean it was even a big failurebecause we lost 3-0.
Yeah, we did, didn't we?
You're right.
Yeah, you've given us a goalthat we did not earn.
Maybe you're just imaginingthat Dwight McNeil scored the
one he should have done.
I know it was offside, but youshould still stick it in the net
, dwight, make the makerdecision.
The thing I would say is thenature of the way that you play

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with Dyche and the way that hesets up his system and the way
that you earn points is you'regoing to have games like this,
and it is not unknown for us tohave games like this under Dyche
.
It's not unknown for us to havegames like this as Everton fans
, over the course of the season.
Season, I think, because heplays a very disciplined, very

(09:53):
organized system that isdesigned to win you games 1-0.
And when teams break you down, Ithink there is still there is a
lack of ability to get backinto games.
I mean, I think it was I don'tknow if it was true at the end
of the season, but I know for alarge portion of the way through
the season we were the onlyteam, I think, in the Premier
League who'd not won a game whenwe were trailing at any point.
So as soon as we went behind,we just eliminated any ability.

(10:16):
We had to win the game.
Because the way Dyche sets upand the way he plays and the way
he's organised, I think he'scome under lots of criticism
after this performance for teamselection, and why is he relying
on Ashley Young and blah blah?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
blah and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
But the reality is this is who we are, this is the
football he's going to play,this is the set-up he's going to
have and as fans, you candecide that you don't like that.
Ok, who or what is youralternative is what I would like
to hear.
But if you decide that thebiggest priority is staying in

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the Premier League in order toget into the new stadium, to
unlock the revenue that thatcomes with and build from there,
then you know Dyche is yourbest.
As far as I'm concerned,sticking with Sean Dyche for
this season is your best option.
But the football's not going tobe great.
But no one hiring Sean Dychehires him for the high-quality,
attacking, free-flowing footballthat he plays.

(11:15):
You know, I was saying we wereoff-air because we have these
conversations off-air.
I was saying this to Dadearlier Like asking Sean Dyche
to pick you know, this attacking, attacking flair players and
play open, attacking footballlike a Brighton do, it's like
asking your dog to wash thedishes Like it's just you can
will it as much as you like,he's never going to do it.
He's never going to do itbecause that's not how he thinks

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, that's not how he sets upteams to win football games, and
that's disappointing becauseI'd love us to play like
Brighton.
And, by the way, I said it inthe preview to this game,
dominic Calvert-Lewin has a heckof a lot to answer for, because
Yacoubu Minte who skippedaround Mikalenko for their first
goal and stuck the cross in,would be an Everton player if

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Dominic Calvert-Lewin hadn'tdemanded ridiculous wages.
And that was a real greatsummary of what we don't have in
our attacking players.
We have nobody.
Maybe Lindstrom, maybe I don'tknow, we haven't seen him.
We have nobody who can do whatMinte did there.
We have nobody in our squad whocan quick feet round the

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fullback and stick it in.
We have Harrison and Neil, whoare good players in certain ways
but are never going to do thatthat's why it's possible, yeah,
like they like itlet me just so I I think I agree
with what you're saying aboutdaisha style of football and the
pragmatism completely.
But if you look at this game,let me offer you a point of view

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and tell me if you think thisis I'm being too generous.
We were even when we went onenil down.
You know we had dominated upuntil that point, adam, as you
said.
We then go, well, one nil down.
Okay, that can happen.
You know, a team can score agoal.
It was a good goal.
Yes, we should have defended itbetter.

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Garner then makes a absolutelyinexplicable decision around a
10-yard pass that he screws up,and then very, very quickly
after that, michael Keaneforgets the first thing you're
taught as a kid about defending,which is you close the ball
down Because that's the onlything that's dangerous on the
pitch, is the ball right.

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Nothing else matters.
So that's like decisions thatplayers make, and then obviously
we're 2-0 down and then AshleyYoung doesn't actually young, as
you say.
Those things are nothing, Iwould say, to do with Dyche's
system or approach.
Right, there are other thingsthat happened that didn't happen
in the game.
But you know, garner not makinga 10 yard pass, michael Keane

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not closing the ball down.
Ashley Young, you know, tryingto control that ball rather than
heading it, which is what heshould have done.
They're not things that Sean isDyche's like I say, like I know
him is coaching the team to doright.
They're not system issues,they're individual decisions.

(14:07):
Yes, but and you know, dad,you've led organizations and
you've led big teams and you'vedone that Decisions by
individuals are influenced bythe direction, leadership,
coaching freedom that they'regiven by the people in charge.
Now, I'm not saying that SeanDyche is responsible for Idrissa
Garnagay playing a bad pass,but he's responsible for the

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fact that Idrissa Garnagay islooking to play that pass to his
left rather than looking atMikalenko on the left flank who
is blazing into open spacebehind the back line, because
Idrissa Garnagay has been toldto play a certain way as a
central midfielder, whichprobably doesn't involve hey, I
want you to play progressivepasses over the top to the
overlapping fullback right.

(14:51):
So, yes, he's not responsiblefor the fact Idrissa Garnagay
played the terrible packs, buthe is responsible in the sense
that they are being drilled toplay a certain way, and this is
and I can't believe I'm about tosay this, but like this is the
Rafa Benitez point right Is thatif you're drilling your players
to play in a certain way andthen they make mistakes, you

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need to look at yourself as acoach and go am I drilling them
the wrong way?
Am I asking them to do thewrong things?
Dad is shaking his head.
For those of you can't video,listen to this, I'm all audio
comment.
That is shaking his head so I'mgoing to hand over.
Yeah, disagree with thecounterpoint because it's too
easy.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean I express my disappointment and surprise at
the performance, but it's tooeasy to turn on the manager and
blame the tactics and everything.
I mean, don't forget this wasthe manager who got us to a.
What would have been 12th lastseason would have been 48 points
, got us 40 points, 13 ahead ofum of relegation.

(15:52):
It's too easy, no let me beclear.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I'm not turning on Deitch, I'm I'm saying.
What I'm saying is is I think Idon't think he should get rid
of him.
What I'm saying is the way hedrills.
The players ends up sometimeshaving performances like this
well, I?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
well, okay, you say you're not blaming him.
I I disagree.
I think it is too easy torepeat myself.
It is too easy to blame themanager.
It's early days, yet he didwell for us last season.
You've got to remember theinjuries that we had as well.
If we'd have had Brant Waiteand Coleman playing, we wouldn't
have well, we wouldn't have hadour right back centre off apart

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from when they aren't but wecertainly wouldn't have conceded
three goals and the resultmight have been different.
If it continues, I think therewill be questions asked of
Dierks.
I think he should play at leastat.
I'm going to say what's hisname Andai, andai.

(16:48):
Yeah, thank you, I think heshould play Andai on Saturday.
Yeah, ben doesn't think he willbecause he thinks he's too set
in his ways.
I'll be disappointed.
Ben doesn't think he willbecause he thinks that he's too
set in his ways.
I'll be disappointed if hedoesn't because, as some reports
I think it was in the Echo,we've had the same four forwards

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playing on Saturday has managedto create or score the next to
lowest number of games in thePremier League last season.
And it is the definition ofinsanity, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And expecting a different result.
So I will be disappointed and Iwill start to edge towards
agreeing with Ben that there areissues with the manager if he
doesn't take the opportunity,beginning on Saturday, to change
the approach.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
So go ahead.
The issue we're going to seewith Dyche is that he's going to
get us to a point of safety,which he did last season to save
us from relegation, and thenobviously take away the PSR
points he got us 12.
So what's going to happen isthe style of play argument is

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going to become more and morecommon because, ben's right,
there is a style of play.
There's no arguing against that.
It's a very pragmatic sort ofapproach.
But that pragmatism also leadsto some, you know, to a real
tactical.
Real tactical now.
So, where you can see that veryclearly in the Brighton game,
particularly in the first 20minutes where we were so well

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drilled, brighton didn't have aclue how to get through our
forward, our front four, withtheir pressing and I said it
again, it's worth repeating thatthey either put the ball out of
play or gave it straight to usat least six or seven times in
that first 25 minutes or so.

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And that's Dyche's system.
The players are executing it,but that's Dyche's setting up
and that's where the realpositive comes from.
And then it becomes theresponsibility of the players to
then, you know, get in goodpositions.
And I think that's where welack that sort of quality and
we've added to that because youknow we've we've improved our
forward line significantly withlindstrom and um and and die.

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So I would, and I agree with, Iagree with um, you know, I
would hope that he would playand I think he should play and I
hold, I don't think, even if hedoesn't play on Saturday, which
obviously he should I wouldn'tbe worrying too much because I
think him and our director offootball, whose name a couple of

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years escapes me now.
Kevin Falwell thanks him andDyche will have a good working
working relationship in terms oftheir approach to the game and
how they want to play.
I think I don't think it's acase of, you know, directors of
football, technical directors,whatever you want to call them

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um in some clubs, where they arebuying players and then the
player and then the manager hasto find a way to make them work
in a system.
I don't think that's whatnecessarily is happening.
I think the players are beingtargeted based on the sort of
things that we need, becausewe're one of the lowest scoring
teams, one of the lowestcreating chances teams last

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season which was a terrible wayof putting a phrase in that, but
it was the statistic is true.
You knew what you meant and sowe've talked to those positions
and improved them, and I don'tthink it's a case of you know,
farewell, identifying theseplayers.
We're getting these players andDice is going don't like him,

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I'm not going to play him.
I don't think that's going to.
I really don't think that'sgoing to happen.
I think he is too set in hisways where he doesn't like to
play the new players straightaway, and I think sorry, I think
Decore, as good as he was beingour top scorer last season.
I know I said in last week's podit was McNeil, obviously it was
Decore with seven.

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I think he went through thatpurple patch before his injury
when he was making good runs andhe showed himself to be a
goal-scoring number 10.
But I think, unfortunately, onSaturday he showed a lot of
evidence to the argument that heis not in any way technically
able to play that role and Ithink Ndai is a far, far better

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choice there and I would expecthim to play that role.
And I think Ndai is a far, farbetter choice there and I would
expect him to to play.
And then Decore would be, um,you know, providing competition
for that, for that role, or youknow, playing uh, further back
um around where Garner plays.
I mean, we do know one thing.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Obviously, adam, as you say, if we're in a situation
where we're signing theseplayers who are designed to
address a problem that everyoneagrees we have, and the manager
isn't picking them over you knowwe're having this conversation
in a month and he's, like youknow, and Dian Lindstrom are on
the bench that's a huge problem,not because not just because it

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means we won't be scoring thegoals we could score if we have
those players playing, becauseit means the club's
dysfunctional.
Now, of course the club isdysfunctional, we know that, but
it'll mean that therelationship between fell well
and and daish isn't really arelationship because one signing
players, the other isn't goingto play well, time will tell.
Like, what we do know aboutdaish is he's incredibly
conservative when it comes tochanging teams and changing.

(22:17):
You know, we've seen this timeand again where things have
obviously not been working andit's taken him two or three
games to make a change, becausehe's really, really resistant to
doing that and I think that isa flaw for him.
I think, if you look at the,the best managers actually they
they change things very quicklyand very decisively when they're

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not working, and I think he'sit is a weakness.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
What did that.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Now the thing is, though, austin sorry to say that
is, that he may be forced tochange against Spurs because we
don't have a recognised rightback.
You can argue about my Colgate,but I get, I, if we, if, in a
world where Ashley Young doesn'tget sent off right and he's
available, I guarantee you herolls out the same team,

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guarantee you.
He might be forced to change.
No, I mean I can say it's astatement.
In my opinion he rolls out thesame team right.
He might be forced to changebecause we don't have a
recognised right back, so hemight have to go to three at the
back, but that's the only thingthat will change.
Like look, I like Sean Dice.

(23:23):
Is it your view, ben, thatgiven his way, sean Dice would
not play and die all Lindstromfor the whole season?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yes, no, not the whole season.
I think that's kind of silly.
You won't play them againstSpurs.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
You won't play them against.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Spurs Go on the record now and say you won't
play them against Spurs.
I'm just trying to get my headaround what Ben just said.
He said you guarantee ahypothetical situation.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's exactly what I said.
That's not going to getpossible.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
My point is like I like Sean Dyche.
I think he's perfectly good asan Everton manager.
No-transcript play Lindstromand play and die and play this

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and change the way.
It's just not going to happen,he's.
It will astonish me not in theslightest if, on Saturday, we
roll out with exactly the sameteam with Mason Holgate playing
as a defensive right back.
Not, it won't be surprised atall and lots of people will be
outraged and say it's terribleand awful.
And my question, my point tothem will be have you watched
Sean Dyche at any point in hisentire career?

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And what?
If you have?
Why are you surprised by thefact he will be conservative?
because that's how he wants towin football games and that's
fine gentlemen, tune into Ben'sTwitter feed on Saturday for
more on this topic, which therewill be.
All right, we're going to moveon.
We're talking about transfers alittle bit.
We saw in my mind well, I saywe, I can't speak for anyone

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else In my mind I kind of putout my head the idea we'd sign
anyone else.
Well, I think this morning we,this morning we're recording
this.
On Thursday evening, uk timeLing with Kieran Trippier today,
you know, obviously, you knowageing international right back.
But you know free kick.
You know wonder kid, ben, I'llcome to you first.

(25:28):
What's your take on?
Like that, good idea, bad idea?
Does he still play Ashley Young?
Anyway, tell us what you think.
I mean it's a very Sean Dycheidea and I don't mean that as
like a joke.
I mean like, look, kierantrippy has experienced he, sean
dyche is a big fan of him, he'sbeen on the record before.
There's a big fan of him.
He provides cover in twopositions.
He's probably better than anystarting right back we have.

(25:50):
He provides cover at left back,as gareth southgate, you know,
would love to tell you.
He can play both sides.
Like you know, it makes sense.
My issue with it is that we onlyhave two domestic loan spots.
We've used one for JackHarrison already and we're now
talking about using one to signa fourth right back, which is

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you can argue about which orderthey go in, but he would be our
fourth right back.
And the third thing is I thinkit says a lot about how we've
used nathan patterson.
Yeah, um, because I think andwe talked about this on the
podcast when we're talking aboutpriority areas and I said right
back and sort of counterpoint,which was fair, was well, we've
got three right backs already,why do you need another one?
Because in sean dyche's mind, Idon't think he's, I don't think

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he thinks we've got three rightbacks, I think he's got two
right backs and Nathan Patterson, who he doesn't trust.
I could see it happening becauseI think it's a very dice.
Signing Trippier is a goodplayer, organised, always going
to be in the right place, willplay for the shirt and do all
those things, and Will will be abetter right back certainly
than Ashley Young starting there, probably better than Seamus

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Coleman starting there.
But if you look at the areas ofthe team that we need to
improve and the areas where weneed more depth and more
creativity, using your seconddomestic loan spot on a 34 year
old right back doesn't strikeyou as the most exciting thing
in the world.
But see my previous point SeanDyche is not the man who is
going to do the most excitingthing in the world, so that
would be my view.
I'd be perfectly happy if ithappened, but I don't think it's

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where we should be using thatpriority to sign somebody.
Yeah, dad, what do you thinkabout that?
Because it's a good point, ben,you make about.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah it would be pragmatic, wouldn't it?
I mean it would be pragmaticProbably.
I mean we could stay in thePremier League this season, not
for focus reasons.
I think it'll be a pragmaticsigning for one year alone.
I agree with Patterson.
He hasn't had a role in it, buthe's still got members' age.
He's got plenty of time to comeon.

(27:48):
I think I keep thinking who arethe three right backs?
I mean you obviously count asAshley Young Coleman Patterson.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
actually, yeah, that's Ashley.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Young Coleman.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Patterson, actually, yeah, I think that's right.
I think it's primarily how.
I mean where Ashley Youngplayed for his last season at
Villa was almost exclusively.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
And you've got the cover.
He would provide the cover onthe left as well.
So the money's not coming outof my pocket.
So I'd say, if he's availableand he's willing to come, and
ever something, they can affordhim.
I think he can only improve thesquad and reduce the chances of
us being relegated.
So on that basis I'd say go forit.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
The thing that you say about Patton's age is Patton
is 23 now.
He's not like he's not some 19,20 year old.
Do you think he's 20?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, but just on that, Coleman, this will be
Coleman's last year.
If they do get Trippier, I'mguessing it'll be a one-year
loan, so there is an opportunityfor Paterson.
I think what you, dyche,doesn't seem to like him.
All I'm saying is signingTrippier doesn't close the door
on Paterson.
Maybe for this season, it mightnot.
Maybe, maybe not in the future.

(28:53):
And he seems quite happy I'mnot seeing him moaning about not
being picked.
Maybe he recognises himself.
He's got things to learn, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, that's a fascinating thing because you'd
think if Dice doesn't fancy him,ok, I think fans we know
nothing.
Players we've seen play a lot,teams we've seen play a lot.
I think football fans get a badrap at you.
I think the average fanactually understands more about
the game than most commentatorswould want to admit, because we

(29:23):
watch a lot of football and youjust can't not absorb some stuff
.
So actually when people say, oh, you know, fans don't know
anything, I think that'snonsense.
But when you've got players whoare coming through, who we've
seen for 10 minutes, I reallydon't think we know anything
about how good nathan pattersonis, but we just like the idea of
young people being playersbeing played, that's it.

(29:44):
If daishi has made his mind upon him, why aren't we selling
him like?
Why are we?
Why we got this guy in thesquad?
Still, if the manager is goingto pick essentially anybody
except him at right back, thenyou know what's the point I was
hoping in the um.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I said during the summer I was hoping that he
would be a, a player that dashwould sort of coach, in the way
that michael lenko has beencoached to improve his defensive
capabilities.
Now he's not played in thefirst game, um, you know, I
still hold hope that he would besomeone that we'll see play
more and more this season.
But on just something, on thetrippier point, I think he'd be
someone that we'll see play moreand more this season.
But on the Trippier point, Ithink he'd be comfortably our

(30:20):
best right back if we were tosign him, and I think he
definitely is trustworthy.
This is why Gareth Southgateraised him so highly.
But he's a very technicallygifted player and technically he
would be one of our bestplayers.
He's a really good player, k.
He would be one of our bestplayers, like he's a really good
player kieran trippier, notjust because of his positional

(30:41):
sense and defensive capabilities.
He's a really good technicalplayer.
He can pick, he can put, he canput a cross on a five pence
piece and you know we sawagainst the in the semi-final
against croatia in the EuropeanChampionships, world Cup, sorry
thanks.
He's obviously a free kickspecialist as well.

(31:05):
So to say he'd just be signedbecause it's a sort of a
dice-style signing I don't thinkI'm not saying that You're
saying that, ben.
I'm just saying that there'smuch more to him than his
reliability.
I think he'd be a really smartsigning if we can get him, for
you know, obviously he'sreportedly on about 140 grand a
week, so obviously we would be.

(31:26):
You know, we'd have to take ahuge chunk away from his wages
there to look to get him.
But yeah, I think it'd be goodto get him.
And then, you know, hopefullywe can work with patterson on
the training pitch to improvewhat dice quite clearly believes
to be some quite significant umflaws in his game.
I'd say two things.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
One, the the other reason why a trip here signing
makes sense is sean dice lovescoring goals from set pieces
and you will find few better setpiece takers in the premier
league than kieranier, both interms of corners and free kicks,
so he fits the style in thatsense as well.
The same thing, just on theMikalenko point, I think I agree
Mikalenko has come on leaps andbounds as a full-back under

(32:10):
Dyche.
But I think the differencebetween Mikalenko and Patterson
is that Mikalenko is naturally adefensive full-back.
Between Mikalenko and Patersonis that Mikalenko is naturally a
defensive fullback and Patersonis naturally an attacking
fullback.
So I think Dyche has taken thethings that Mikalenko was good
at and made them better.
I think what he might be I'mnot suggesting Dyche is
struggling, but what I think thebigger challenge is is okay,

(32:30):
you've got an attacking rightback who we forget, but was one
of the first names on the teamsheet and was very good under
Lampard in the games where we,you know, where we played well,
a lot of that went throughPatterson.
I think the challenge that,whether it's Patterson has this
challenge or Dyche has thischallenge of fitting him in, is
that he obviously doesn't trusthim defensively, you know to, to

(32:54):
play him in a four, as, as isstarting right back, he
obviously is.
And then you know you can havea debate about can he be much
worse than Ashley Young?
I would say no, but again thiscomes back to what Baish values.
Yeah, it's exactly the kind ofthing you can see happening and
I don't mind.
All right, we're going to talk alittle bit now about, uh, this

(33:15):
takeover thing, which I was Ididn't expect us to be talking
about this week.
Honestly, I thought I put thatback in the back of my mind.
I thought we wouldn't have todeal with any mishiri
shenanigans.
But as of you know what is it.
A couple of days ago, oryesterday even maybe, the
guardian ran a story about howjohn texter who owns 40 of
crystal palace%, I think isapparently going to complete his

(33:37):
takeover of Everton.
You know this week, which isthe kind of story that is put
out by somebody, right?
That's what you've got to bearin mind when you read these
things.
You know, journalists are notomniscient.
They don't know what happened.
They write these things becausesomeone gave them some
information.
So I assume this came fromTexxter's camp and there's some

(33:58):
reason why he wanted to generatethat momentum.
Uh, or maybe it came frommishiria, who can say um, but
like your dad, I'll start withyou.
What's your take on this?
And, particularly like I, Idon't even know what question to
ask you is I because, is it?
We're talking about beingbought by a guy who, according
to the Premier League rules,currently can't buy us.

(34:19):
So it's a very Evertonsituation to find yourself in.
But you know how are youfeeling about that?
I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I mean it's just the fourth one.
I mean my view is surely to God, one of these is going to come.
There can't be another one thatgoes west.
Yeah, he was supposed to betouring the new ground with
Mishiri, but apparently Mishiriwent on his own.
So where that story came from?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean he does have an experience of mean he's, he's
.
He just haven't experienced thefootball.
He's got experience of PremierLeague football.
I don't think, if it does comethrough, it could be worse.
I mean, anything's got to bebetter than Mishiri, as we've
said, I did for night, and he'sgot to get rid of this.
His shareholding Crystal Palace, as we know, and there doesn't

(35:11):
seem to be any movement on that.
So where this rumor came from,that you know it's going to be
imminently completed, is I don'tknow.
I read somewhere else, though,that they're talking about the
end of january.
Which makes which, which doesmake does make more sense.
But just fingers crossed thatthis one, you know, does work
its way through.

(35:32):
And I just say, because of hisexperience, um, both in european
football and the premiership,um, I think it'd be okay.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Only time will tell probably has his eyes open the
thing.
Sorry, there we go.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I can see.
I mean, first of all, what isreally encouraging is that you
know it's obviously driven bythe stadium, is that we're
obviously a very, we're a priceasset because of the situation.
You know, the situation we findourselves in with Moshiri being
, you know, very, very cheap tosort of to get out of the club.

(36:09):
But you know, we obviously hadTriple Seven and then obviously
we've had the Fry King group andnow we've got the Crystal
Palace bloke.
So I mean, if it carries onmuch longer, I'm suspecting
seeing something like Evertonannounce interest from a

(36:30):
takeaway conglomerate led byfarhad noshiri, how long, how
long have you been waiting tomake that I've?
been making that joke for oneminute when I was I thought it
when dad was talking um, um,yeah, the thing is we're going
to get sold like we're not goingto go into we're obviously not

(36:52):
going to go into administration.
We are going to get sold tosomeone and we're going to get
sold to someone who can see theenormous, the real gravity that
the ground will provide for usand the positives that that will
bring.
So it's a difficult processbecause of bad economic

(37:15):
decisions that we've made,particularly around seven,
triple seven, um, so it's goingto happen.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
it's just a case of who and when the yeah, the thing
, the thing that worries meabout this right is we've two
things.
One, the story is we've givenan exclusivity to somebody who
can't buy us, like literallycan't buy us right now.
That was my main concern I haveto.
And two, and this is the secondconcern, the club have never,

(37:44):
never, announced that we'vegiven them exclusivity, the so
in every.
I went back and checked this.
Previous one of these takeovers, there was a press release on
the everton website confirmingthat we'd entered into a period
of exclusivity for with 777 andwith the freaking group for
discussions over sailor club.

(38:04):
They've not done that with johntexter.
So either we haven't given himan exclusivity and all of this
is a attempt to drive forward aprize or we have, but mashiri's
done it.
I don't know in the background,not officially, like it just
doesn't.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Nothing about this feels right nothing about this
feels like like we are, like thepress do get things wrong and
they make stuff up.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
They do.
But if you have a story thatsaid Everton FC have given
exclusivity to Jon Textor and itwas incorrect, you would have a
club press officer calling upthe jersey and say, ok, that's
wrong.
Yeah, it's wrong.
They would check it right.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
They would call the jersey and say it's incorrect.
And the press team would say no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It doesn't smell right.
We've given exclusivity but notannounced it, and we've given
exclusivity to somebody who,quite literally, literally isn't
allowed to buy us right now.
Literally isn't allowed.
How can you exclusively benegotiating with someone who
can't?
It's like me trying to sell acar I don't own.
It's like here's the yeah.
Yeah, you know, you've just, Ithink you've been, I think

(39:12):
you've, you're hitting the nailon the head.
I've said the thought.
Actually, we, you know, we, webelieved we talked a little bit
with the freaking group abouthow they pulled out, but they
did that with roma and it's atactic.
And if you were trying to forcethose guys back to the table,
because you know the freakinggroup basically could have I
mean, I'm hypothesizing all ofthis, but you know it makes

(39:33):
sense to me that they, thefreaking group, will go.
I'm just going to wait becausewe can give these, lend these
guys, some cash so they don'tget nothing terrible happens.
Um, we'll wait.
See what this, this 777 americathing is kind of messy and
complicated.
We'll wait six months see ifthe situation is any different.
If you're mashiri and you'relike mashiri is like I mean, we

(39:55):
talked about this before farhadmashiri is in the shit big time
in financially with everton orwhoever is actually has the
money.
You know, be it mashiri orsomeone else.
This is exactly what the kindof trick you would pull if you
were trying to force, movesomeone else to not wait right,
and you might say to uh, johntexter, I'll look after you down

(40:17):
the road and I don't mean thatin any kind of way that implies
anything illegal.
It wouldn't say, but like,maybe there's a favor done here
which is, uh, yeah, we'll playclubs do this with players all
the time.
Everton did it with wayne rooney.
When we sold into man united,we got newcastle to to.
You know, we'll play clubs dothis with players all the time.
Everton did it with WayneRooney.
When we sold it to man United,we got Newcastle to to you know,
this is all in what's hisname's book, alan Myers's book.
We got, you know, newcastle tofake interest, to drive the

(40:42):
price up, basically Like theywouldn't.
They were never reallyinterested.
So I think you know I can seethat being, I think, ben, I
think you know I can see thatbeing, I think.
Then I think you're right.
I think there's something fishyabout this.
It's not what it seems, andit's by somebody for some reason
, and that would play.
That would make sense that youhave all these stories about

(41:03):
promising about exclusivitywithout official confirmation of
exclusivity.
Yeah, because once youofficially confirm exclusivity
you then can't talk to anyoneelse, obviously, because that's
it.
But if you tell everybody thatyou've done exclusivity but
never actually formally do it,you can still talk to the
freaking group right like so Ithink you, I think that's a
smart.
I think that's a smartsuggestion of what might be

(41:24):
going on here, because it justisn't.
It just there's something notright about saying, hey, we're
about to sell our football clubto a man who can't buy a
football, you can't buy it.
I mean, my first thought was hecan't buy it and you would
never.
If you're him, you would andyou've got to sell 45 of crystal
palace.
You would never put yourself ina position of being a false
seller, deliberately ever.
Because he can, he could want,he could want to buy everton as

(41:48):
much as we do.
If we had that kind of money,we wouldn't do it.
It's too much.
You know, if he loses 20% ofthe value of his Crystal Palace
shares because he's a forcedseller, you know, because he's
done a deal where that makes nosense to me.
So yeah, something fishy thisway comes.
What a stunning surprise in theworld of Farhad Moshiri that

(42:11):
things are not what they seem.
Alright, excuse me while Icough Anything else on anything
else before we talk about theSpurs game, as we talked about a
little bit already, but talkabout it properly, no, alright?
Okay, we're going to dopredictions.
Alright, let's do this.
This will be fun.
Let's do predictions andpredicted changes to the team as

(42:33):
well, because that's.
Let's see we're going to getsome stuff on the record.
We'll see how we go.
Dan, I'm going to come to youfirst Score prediction and be on
the right back, which you'llhave to change.
Will Dice change the team?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I'm going to go for.
I want to say 1-1, but I think2-1 for Spurs, who were unlucky
the other night but they didn'tabsolutely batter Leicester
Changes.
I'd like to see Ndai.
I'd like to see Endai.

(43:12):
I'd like to see Endai play.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'd like to see Decorey come back.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Come back as in drop deeper.
No, no, to come back, playdeeper and to replace Garner.
I think there's a bit of aliability and I hope we pay
Kieran Trippier back.
We'd have to watch our skateson if it's Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
It is possible.
Still, if they sign him in thenext 12 hours, then it would be
possible.
Adam, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yeah, I'd agree with Dad's scoreline.
I think we're going to get beat, which is nothing to really
necessarily worry about.
And I mean Dave said earlierthat Tarkovsky is a doubt for
this and Brantway is still outas well, so I think there might
be a forced change there.
So it's, where do you thinkMason Holgate can do the least

(44:04):
damage?
Central defence or right back?
I mean, I don't even know whoyou'd play If you play Mason
Holgate right back.
Who do you even play in thecentral?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
defence O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I completely forgot that he existed so did Sean
Dyche yeah so I think I think ifyou say that he's a doubt,
these things usually are prettywitty way of saying that he's
unlikely to play.
So, yeah, I, you know prettymuch a way of saying that he's
unlikely to unlike his place.
So, yeah, I think um brian arecoming for um for tokowski and

(44:38):
um, you know, I'll get playright back and then, uh, yeah, I
agree with that.
I hope, I hope to see um thecorey replaced completely with,
not like literally, I don't know, I can't say anything.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I can't say a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
His life is going to be mad.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
He's going to go pick his kids up from school and be
like I'm your dad now.
Every aspect of his life, I'vecompletely replaced Abdelaziz.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I feel like he gets into bed with his wife.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Do you know, like in soap operas where they just
change the actor?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
and everybody just pretends.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You could get around registration rules by just
having him put the Tens shirt onand go.
Is that Abdelhaid Akkari?
What?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
do you mean I identify as Abdelhaid Akkari?
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
that's what Chelsea are going to do.
They're just going to get themall to dress up as each other,
and they don't have 45 players.
They've actually got 21.
You're just confused, but youknow 88 boots.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Sorry, adam, carry on yeah, so Ndai for De Corvallet
as well, and I think we'll keepthe same central midfield as
Brighton.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
All right, I think we're going to lose as well.
I think we'll lose 1-0.
And I think, actually I thinkBen is strategically wrong about
Dyche and these new players,but tactically right in that I
think he will name an unchangedteam for this game because his
aim is to defend in this gameand he's not going to.
I think in the next home game.
I think he'll change it becauseI think he will see that

(46:19):
differently.
But I think for a spurs away, Ithink Holgate will come in.
There'll be a change atcentre-half if Tarkovsky's
injured.
Beyond that it will same team,which is disappointing.
But I suspect in the short termyou're right about how he's
going to approach it.
All right, anything else foranything else.
Before we wrap up, I'd like todo my prediction.
Oh sorry, did I skip you?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yes, yes, you did.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So sorry, please, ben , tell us your prediction for
Spurs we're going to lose 2-0and he's going to put Mason
Holgate in it right back andchange.
Nothing else, apart from ifTarkovsky's injured Even if
Tarkovsky's injured, he's notgoing to change.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
He's not going to change.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
No, because like, and seriously like, to the point.
It spurs away.
Right, he's not going to makeattacking changes, it spurs away
, he's just not going to.
It's not his style.
He'll want to set up with thisteam who are familiar with the
system and familiar with thepressing.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
And I can understand the logic of that.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
But that's why he's not going to change.
He's not going to drop toCorrea.
He'll play the same front four.
He'll play the same midfieldtwo.
Who, by all accounts?
I mean, I didn't actually watchthe game alone and see the
highlights.
Apparently, tim was very good,so maybe there was a bright spot
, there's a bright spot there,but you know, spurs away is not
the time for him to go.
Do you know what, lads?
You're right, I'm going toadopt a more attacking approach

(47:36):
to the game.
Like it's just not, he's notgoing to do it.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
It's worth just to finish off on Tim.
He was absolutely brilliantagainst Brighton.
You know he sort of I think,dad, you know, dad, you made the
point in the game.
He sort of he waned in the last20 minutes or so because you
know he was getting tired,wasn't he?
But he was comfortably our bestplayer.
You know he broke the play upabout at least four or five

(48:01):
times.
You know intercepting, makingreally good tackles, and he
looked really composed on theball as well.
You know someone well beyond hisyears, um, you know there was
one point in the in the um inthe first half where he gets the
ball inside our heart, insideour penalty area.
He's getting closed down by twobrighton players and he just
dinks it in front of one andthen just passes it out calmly

(48:22):
to michaelenko um to set us offon an attack.
And dad and I just looked ateach other like god, we seem to
have a really good player hereand obviously we know he's not
going to play that well all thetime.
You know there's lots offactors that go into debuts,
particularly for young playerslooking better than they are,
and he's obviously not that good.
He's not going to be that goodall the time.

(48:42):
But even if he's said, you know80% of what we saw, we've got a
really really good playerplayer there and I think you
know it looks really.
It'll be really exciting to seehow he progresses this season.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, he looked, he looked excellent and it's, you
know, the injury thing is, is aDad you made it alone is a good
point, you know, because notonly obviously, yeah, missing
Brantwaite, missing Coleman, youknow, missing James Garner as
well, who you know I don't knowwhether he would have played or
not.
Maybe he would have playedinstead of Garner game, maybe,

(49:19):
but you know he's obviously amiss Garner would play right
back on Saturday if he was fit.
You know that would not be aterrible idea, no, that'd be
fine.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
That's where he played for the.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
U21s.
That'd be fine, but that couldbe like to our earlier
conversation.
That also makes the trip heresigning, because you've got
three right backs and you've gotJames Garner who is emergency
break last fourth right back, soyou start to look very
overloaded in one part of thepitch.
It's quite thin.
Anyway, I would honestly playIf Tarkovsky was fit.

(49:53):
I would honestly play ifTarkovsky was fit.
I would honestly play MichaelKeane right back ahead of Mason
Holgate.
Yeah, I think Keane's a goodtechnical footballer.
You know.
He's a better in many ways.
It's sort of a strength for himand he's defending sometimes.
There was a moment in the firsthalf where he made a clearance
against Brighton, where itlooked quite good because there

(50:14):
was a shot which maybe Pickfordwas going to save, but Keane was
just in the right spot just toclear it.
He was sort of on the six yardline and then you look back at a
replay and he was playing threeBrighton players on side.
He was completely out of linewith the rest of our defense.
So you know and notintentionally not oh, I know
exactly what's going to happenhere.
He's going to shoot and it'sgoing to go exactly there.
He'd screwed up and justhappened to be stood in the

(50:36):
right place.
So I think you know I wouldmaybe, you know, put O'Brien in
and play Keane right back.
But I suspect we'll see goodold Mason Hall get it If we're
talking about what we'd actuallydo.
I would actually like to see himswitch formation entirely and
play three at the back if youwant to get around the right
back thing.
You, you play, you play O'Brien, you play some variation of
O'Brien Keane, tarkovsky orMikalenko as your left centre

(50:59):
back, and then you play McNeiland Harrison or Mikalenko and
Harrison as your wing backs, andthen you, you play your normal
four, you play Decorey behindthe striker and your two
midfielders and that gets youaround the fact that you don't
have a right back because youjust play wing backs.
But again, see previouscomments, sean Dyche won't do
that.
Yeah, he's not going to do that.
I mean, the most interestingthing about will be to enjoy the

(51:23):
meltdown when we A plays thesame team and B we lose 2-0 and
everyone starts fratting Likewe're going to be fine, like
we're going to stay up, we'reprobably going to finish like
14th, 15th, comfortably clear ofrelegation, but it's not going
to be fun.
There's quite a lot of pressure.
I was just thinking about this.
I think we probably will loseto Spurs and then actually there

(51:46):
is quite a lot of pressure onthat Bournemouth game Because
you really don't.
And that is the problem, thatis the naivety around this
strategy, which sort of wasalways allardyce's problem as
well.
I think my dice is much bettermanaging allardyce but you can
back yourself by sort of takingthese games and going, oh, it

(52:06):
doesn't really matter, you can.
It doesn't take into accountthe overall feel, the dynamic,
the mood, you know.
Whereas if we went to Spurs andwent for it, not in a silly way
, but we did that last season,though, if you remember, we
should have won that.
It's been bothering me allepisode.

(52:26):
I didn't want to do it whileyou were talking, I wonder why
you kept looking at it.
I thought you were just takingin my amazing points.
Did you make any?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
We should have beaten Spurs.
Last season we drew 2-2 againstthem.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Remember Dan Juman blazed over in the last few
minutes.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
We absolutely battered them for the last 10
minutes.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
We're perfectly capable of going on Saturday and
beating Spurs.
We're just going to do it inDyche's way.
If we're going to do it, that'sthe reality.
Would I be stunned if we beatSpurs 1-0 on Saturday?
No, I wouldn't be stunned, I'dbe pleasantly surprised.
But we're not going to do it byplaying you know, all these
attacking players and changingthe style.

(53:17):
If we win, we're going to do itDaish's way, because that's how
he's always played, that is.
That is who he is and who healways will be.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I don't think there's a sorry one of the strangest
sort of a supporter who wrote onsomewhere or other.
He said well, if Everton hadn'twon those four games, we'd have
been at the bottom, and Ithought, yes, but I think there
is a realm.
We did have two purple patches,one at the start of the season,

(53:46):
one at the end of the season.
We had that two months where itwas 14 games.
It's awful.
Now, you know, we're hopingthat we get a more consistent
performance throughout the year,because the chances of having
two purple patches is the samethis season.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, and to Austin's point, you become very heavily
reliant on having those type ofpurple patches.
If your approach is well, let'sjust go into this one to try
not to lose.
Right, and that's the nature ofthe beast.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Right, that's just go into this one to try not to
lose right, and that's likethat's the nature of the beast
right.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
That's why Dyche is who he is.
That's why David Moyes is whohe is.
This is why Samuel Ades is whohe is.
Nobody hires these managersbecause they want them to play
expansive, progressive,attacking football where you win
, where you can score four goalsa game.
You hire them because they'reorganised and they're defensive
and they have a plan and they'retactically sound and then you

(54:38):
win enough games to stay up.
That's why that's their job andfor us right now, that's what
the job has to be.
But I think I'd be reallyinterested to see if you had
another season similar to lastseason, where we had, you know,
a purple patch or two but thenwere pretty dross for large
parts of it Stayed up.

(55:00):
You know, finished 12th, 13th,14th, whatever Moved into the
stadium.
I wonder how long the fan baseis happy to live with that style
.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
That's what I think is going to happen.
I predict that Because I thinkEvertonians are naturally a fan
base in general that they wantto see their own homegrown
players do well and play firstand foremost, which I think is
why we grossly overestimatetheir, their capabilities see

(55:36):
tom davis, for example um, but Ithink in general, the fan base
they want, you know, they wantto see attacking, attacking
football, and I think they allunderstand that that is not
necessarily something we'regoing to be able to provide for
the next, you know, this seasonor um, this season and over the
last few seasons, because we'vejust been old, we've just been
survival mode for the past, likeyou know, two seasons.

(56:00):
But I, this is what I predict.
I'm not saying this is right,obviously, I don't think it's
right at all, you're not goingto guarantee it?
no, but what I think is going tohappen is um dyche will make us
comfortably better.
He'll get us mid-table thisseason and then we might get
halfway through this next seasonand then people might start

(56:22):
going we're doing alright herebut I really don't start to like
the football.
And then he gets towards theend of the season and people
will start going.
We've come mid-table again.
I would like to see moreattacking football next season
and then people will go.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
This is not happening and I want him to be gone and
that's what's going to happen,and by that point you're in the
new ground, the finances arebetter and you have more
opportunities.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I'd say more than that.
My guess would be that there'sone more season and he does have
his shortcomings.
I accept all of that.
They'll have one more season.
We'll go into the new stadium.
It'll be seen as new owners,new stars.
I think of being your manager.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I agree.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I mean the sort of case in point and I hate to do,
I don't told you so but and thematch for Aston Villa in that
game of the weekend playingball-carrying progressive
forward front-footed in a systemthat was designed to reward him
In a much better team.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
In a better team.
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
In a much better team .
But I think to the point we'vemade before about why he didn't
work for us is that, tactically,Deich sets his team up to play
a certain way and Arnaud's skillset wasn't suited to playing
that way and that's why he wasand that's why, under a much
better manager, a better teamagreed he just looks like an
elite midfielder and Arna is.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
And Arna is, unfortunately, the casualty of
Everton Football Club, being theabsolute basket case that it
has been over the past three orfour years, because he was
signed to be a progressive ballcarrying midfielder under
Lampard who wanted to play moreattacking, open, flowing
football than John Dyche plays,and that's.
Dyche then inherits playersthat he really likes, like

(58:09):
Abdoulaye Dekore, who you tellwhen Abdoulaye jump and he says
how am I?
Yeah, you know.
But then you've got playerslike Inanna, who are undoubtedly
our best technical player, butthen he doesn't fit the system.
We did make money on him,though, so it wasn't like, yeah,
we did.
But also you've got to thinkmore broadly, like, yes, you put

(58:29):
Inanna in that team, but thenyou think you know he's
obviously making a judgmentthere and we can argue
hypothetically to the cows gohome about whether that would be
the right thing about.
You know the the broaderramifications of that, and does
that have an overall detrimentaleffect on the tactical setup of
the?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
team, which is his most important chairman, tim
played the same role, uh roleOnona played.
If Onona had had the sameimpact and I know it's only
early days yet but if Onona hadhad the same impact that Tim had
on Saturday, consistentlythroughout the season, I

(59:06):
wouldn't have been disappointedif he'd have been sold.
But he continually disappointedme.
Don't forget Tim and him.
Exactly the same role.
And he was far more progressivewhen he got the ball, but he
created many more chances thanAnona did.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Anona was like that in his first few games because
we saw his debut againstBrentford.
Remember when he played againstBrentford we thought, bloody
hell, we've got a player in.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
He should have had two assists against Fulham in
the first game.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
What happened to that player?
Too many of us burst in too.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah Well who was the manager?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
He's not listening to us now look, yeah, no, he's
stopped.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
But the answer to what happened that player is I'm
listening.
Sean Dice didn't want him toplay that way.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, genuinely, I'm not being facetious.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Dice doesn't want his centre-up fielders to play that
way, so that's what happened,but Tim played that way.
No, no, no, he didn't playlung-busting runs and breaking
through the centre of themidfield.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
No, but he was in this productive and produced
many more forward opportunities,in my view, on Arnaud than he
did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I think it's interesting to watch back some
of the games from early lastseason.
If you watch the Fulham game,arnaud should have had three
assists in that game because heplays three great passes that
Neil Mopé and I think DonovanCalvert-Lewin miss.
So I think DonovanCalvert-Lewin miss Like.
So I think Narnia was a victimof finishing being crap as well
as anything else.
And we never know.

(01:00:41):
All right, well, look, we'llsee you on the other side of the
Spurs game, which is in a dayand a half.
As we sit here, we'll be backnext week before we We've got an
EFL Cup game randomly next week.
I was just looking at thefixtures for playing doncaster
on tuesday, uh, and thenbournemouth uh weekend and the
saturday after.

(01:01:01):
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game and the bournemouth gameback.
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