December 18, 2023 • 52 mins
Is Zionism and Israeli identity a burning question in your mind? You're not alone--and we're here to navigate these waters together. Join us as we engage in a conversation with Esther Piekarski. Esther, a Shlucha in Tel-Aviv, shares her experiences in spreading the Rebbe's message about our approach to Israel and Zionism, and clearly delineates what the message should be.
As we traverse the ideological differences between Eretz Israel and Medinat Israel, we look to the Rebbe as our compass. We also discuss the Rebbe's views on Israelis serving in the army and how the Diaspora Jews can show solidarity with Israel. It's not just about waving the flag; it's about understanding our unique roles in the Jewish narrative and contributing to the protection of Am Yisrael.
The conversation ends with an invitation for you to step out of your comfort zone and strengthen your bond with Israel. After all, our unity is our strength. Together, let's build a better tomorrow for you, for me, for us, for Am Yisrael.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi and welcome to our podcast, bodies and Souls
Conversations for the JewishWoman.
Good morning and welcome toBodies and Souls.
Your host for today is RivkiBojarski.
I have the honor and privilegeof having Mrs Esther Bakarski
here with us again today.
We actually recorded anotherepisode about a year and a half
ago on Tarasem Shpacha, so ifyou want to go back and listen
(00:30):
to that once you're doneenjoying this episode, feel free
to do that as well.
Today's conversation is a timelyconversation and a conversation
that, as I watched this warthat we find ourselves in unfold
and I watched the reactions ofBane Israel, of the Jews inside
Ertistoral and outsideErtistoral, I felt like we were
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missing something, and I reachedout to Esther Bakarski and I
said well, can we discuss what'shappening so we gain a deeper
understanding of how the Tyraholds?
We are supposed to support ourbrothers and sisters in
Ertistoral, what our role is inthis conflict and what is the
Tyra thought on Medinat Yisrael,the country that we are now so
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invested in, and what our roleis in that as well.
So before we start today,esther Bakarski, I know today
was not a great day for ourbrothers and sisters in
Ertistoral.
Hopefully it will end being agreat day with the coming of
Meshach.
But how are you doing and howis the situation in Ertistoral
today?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, thank you, rivki.
So first of all, regardless ofTel Aviv, ertistoral, today was
a hard day.
It was a terrorist attack inYushalayim and three people were
killed Diane, a principal, anda young woman expecting a child.
A 24-year-old woman expecting achild.
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Very sad news.
It hit us personally, ourfamily, because another Diane
was sitting next I think wassitting next to a Diane
Wasserman, I think his name was.
That was heard A young young tome everybody under the age of
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60 is young A boy that grew upright here near us.
It's a very good friend of mine.
A father is the guy by here inthe show next to us, and his
wife grew up here, my daughter'sfriend.
I was also shot by a Hacham.
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The bullet was removed from hisleg.
I got just before from hismother that he's out of the
operation room.
He is a father of a largefamily, a grandfather Baha
Hashem already and so you know,anything that happens anywhere
in Ertistoral touches all of us,and sometimes even more than we
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think you know.
I heard in the morning from myson that he's having a hard time
getting to to Tel Aviv becausehe's on the bus, but everything
was stopped and he's not comingor he's going to be late.
Kiaia, piguwa.
And two seconds later my friendwrites please, daven, for Avida
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Benmina, who's heard in thePiguwa.
And then I see his kids rightshow the video in a Abba.
Here's daddy sitting at the bus, stop learning.
He's also a dian, you know,it's such a beautiful thing with
a kapatan and a hat and asvarim, sitting two day on him
at the bus, stop learning.
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And all of a sudden you seethem being attacked.
So I was punked when we heardthe news.
I was near my friend, anotherfriend of mine who's not a Hasid
, very, very fine woman that wehad this discussion many years
ago by Gush Katif and the Rebbewas you know, we cannot give
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back, give away.
We never say give back, giveaway, give him back.
That means it belonged to themand it's not giving back, giving
away border towns, because allErzicisral will be in danger.
And the Rebbe went into very,very detailed that we see now it
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coming to fruition, the Nivurof the Rebbe, and that's how we
know that the Nivur of Mashiachwill also come into fruition.
So today I was discussing withher then about it because and I
reminded her that when I toldher then we cannot do it.
She says, yes, but we have nochoice.
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We have to give away Gush Katifto make shalom, and today's
center is new, new.
And then, when we start talkingabout the Hasid situation, so
she says, well, we have nochoice.
I said you said it 20 years agoand look what happened.
Believe what the Rebbe said.
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Because the Rebbe said if wespeak about giving away, parts
of Erzicisral will be in danger.
The Rebbe said, if we talkabout negotiations, it will
happen.
And then two minutes later, weget again on my phone my friend
has a more culture phone than Ido, so that's what's up and I do
(05:30):
.
And we got about.
Have you done a child that grewup here, that we know since he
was born?
It's just, oh my gosh.
I said this happened inYershalayim, we're negotiating.
And when you talk to monsters,exactly what the Rebbe says,
when you talk to them aboutShalom, about giving in, about
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exchange, it'll, the Rebbe said,it'll hit us home in our home,
we're in Tel Aviv, et cetera.
It hit us home down the block.
He lives down the block, a childthat we, you know, saw growing
up and becoming a dyin, and hiswife and a beautiful family,
barak Hashem.
Barak Hashem is doing well, butstill so.
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Today was a day of me againdoing my shlichot tongue to
front people what we're supposedto think, how we're supposed to
, what the Rabbi's words are,and I feel it's part of my
shlichot of explaining the standof front people in Erzisral, we
daven, we're happy with everyhostage that comes back, but we
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have to look with the eyes ofour G'doylem that had bigger
eyes, our Godol, ourCommander-in-Chief, the Rabbi
who told us how to look at thebig picture, and we saw it today
very clearly.
Yesterday was that type of aday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Today was a heavy day on your end and I'm really I'm
sorry about that and I'm sorryfor every day that's heavy.
I think on a larger scale, allof us feel a little bit.
I keep people like, oh my gosh,I can't believe it was just
Tishrei, now it's Khanaka.
I'm like we as a communitywe've been going through like a
trauma response.
So all the time between Tishreiand oh my gosh, it's Khanaka,
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for a lot of us it's been like ablur.
Even the people in KhootslaErzitz it's been this like
community, like will I be ableto keep my kids safe?
Well, even in Khootsla Erzitzwe have that feeling and I can't
imagine how much stronger thatis in Erzisral.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
If you're mentioning Tishrei.
Tishrei to us in Erzisral islight years away.
We're in different Erzisral now.
The Tishrei that Erzisral wentthrough this year was the lowest
that we could have been.
I mean, we were happy, wecelebrated and in the Dabini we
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were on a high, but oursurrounding area, the clipper
around us, was extremelydifficult.
I'm coming from Tel Aviv, butI'm sure people also different
places.
They are the very secular cityand there were a lot of
demonstrations, neras, etc.
I don't want to.
(08:14):
It's not a time to beMkhattrigan Amnistral, but it
was the time that we saw ShuaLimhil Hubo faxes coming out
from Kodishkodashim YoungKeepers of Kodishkodashim and we
saw faxes in the Bezamegdash,like Rabi Akiva.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right.
Just to clarify, estherPrykarsky is not calling people
a negative name.
It was a situation that wasnegative and the situation was
very palpably negative and Icould also attest to this being,
having been an Erzisral thatthere was a lot of tension
between us as brothers andsisters, and that's the faxes
that Esther Prykarsky isreferring to.
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This negativity that waspresent between everyone.
They were just this verynegative space.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, we were going through a hard time and yes, so
in a way I'm happy that happenedand it's over, it's over and
gone.
Like Rabi Akiva, he finally sawfaxes coming out of the
Kodishkodashim.
So he left Akiva and went tothe Kodishkodashim because he
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finally saw the dark nirvua ofZion.
Because the dark nirvua of Zionwill be plowed, the paradise
will be plowed.
This is what we went through onYom Kippur.
We were plowed not by people,but by slogans and by different
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ideology and backlash, difficultsayings.
And now we could laugh, I guess, because I thought then that
was the fax and then came thewar.
So I guess it was another fax.
It was more than Shua Lim, it'sLush, and Rabim faxes he also
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was.
So that's the end.
We finished Shua's Rabim.
So we've done both Shua Lim,the Yom Kippur and then the
Simhastora.
And now we see here inErtugstral such an awakening.
That's why I said it's lightyears away.
I completely forgot about YomKippur.
It's like over.
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It's a different.
I'm meeting the people andsometimes people come to pick up
things in our house.
We're donating and collectingand taking care of and sending
to the evacuees.
People are coming in our houseand they look around and they
see our menorahs and they say,you're a khabad, right?
Oh, you had a hard Yom Kippur.
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And I say, no, it's fine, it'sover.
It's like we're in a differentplace.
And they say, right, we're inthis together.
We see the Tbilin, we see theTee Lim, we see the people
coming to Shua, we see so muchawakening that it's a Yiddish
guide, tantadishvahu, that it'slike wow, wow, we couldn't have
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done it in 100 years of shlehutand one slab in the face.
I shouldn't like woke us up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're all woken up.
We're definitely all woken up,Shaken up shaken up and woken up
.
Yeah, shaken up and woken up.
So I think, before we go intothe conversation of how we are
supporting our brothers andsisters in Eritreous Rd, I want
to first clarify what Zionism is.
Is Zionism something that wesupport, that is Torah true, or
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is Zionism something that hasnothing to do with Torah?
So every single day, multipletimes a day, we dive in that we
should go to Yiddish Lai andwe'll see an Irhah.
Right, we dive in for EritreousRd.
What is modern day Zionism andhow is that different than
domining for Tsi'ayn?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So I came across actually I didn't come across.
My son sent me an interestingletter that the Rebbe writes to
somebody who must have writtento him about Zionism, or calling
it Medina Israel.
And the Rebbe said the name ofthe country is Eritreous Israel.
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That's the way it's written inthe Torah, or Aritz Aritz asot,
and it's not just a name, it'san ideology.
So really that's your questionIs there a difference in
Eritreous Israel and MedinaIsrael in ideology?
And there is.
There is because we know thatthe people who spoke about
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Medina Israel said it doesn'thave to be in this piece of land
of the world, it could be inUganda or in other places.
I'm trying to be careful becauseit's not a time to be
chastisement, to speak badlyabout Amnesty, so I don't want
to speak negatively, so I'lljust speak.
You know the ideology of thefirst Zionists was to start a
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new religion, because any ism isusually a religion.
You know you're extreme to, ina way, for communism, socialism,
until it becomes your religion.
And I'll even say that if youread you shouldn't, but if you
read their doctrines and theirpapers and their essays, you
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know there were many of themwhere you shif a bakhem from way
back or went to Heide and theysay we'll start a new Arachaiim,
we'll have a new Talmud, in away, a new Torah, and it was
pretty much of say mildly,anti-religious, anti.
Okay.
So this is putting it in a mild.
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The idea was to start somethingnew.
It could have been anywhereUganda, cuba, it could have been
anywhere.
So that's Medina, israel.
When, after the war actually,yes, it was Haftet in November
when it was declared by theUnited Nations Medina, the, the
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rebastand was we got it fromHashem.
Let's thank him.
Hashem gave us back the abilityto come without going through
visas and everything.
Every Jew could come intoArachis Troll.
Let's take the gift and thankHashem.
When a person gives you a gift,thank.
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And here is where it startedbecoming problematic when you
declare Zion, zion.
Actually, a person who coinedthe word Zionism.
His name was Natan Birambam andI used to live on the street
named after him, the ChovBirambam.
So I know a little bit of hisbackground.
He later became a from Jew whospoke so badly about Zionism,
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regretted coining this wordcalled Zionism.
So, if I put it very short, ithas nothing to do with the
Yiddish guide the way we know it, of Torah and Mitzvah.
It's far from it and there aremany things that happened
through these years that provethat it was trying to pull it
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away from Yiddish guide as muchas possible.
In the beginning it was statusquo and you ask, what is modern
Zionism?
I don't know if there's such athing anymore, but it's pulling
away from Yiddish guide, andespecially this last year, this
last year, and that's why, youknow, nationality or religion
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was taken off in the Tudad zuhud.
We shouldn't stick out as Jews.
You don't have to write thatyou're Jewish or not, and the
mihuyuhudi and a lot of thingsthat I've been fought for, the
people who thought that it, youknow it's not going to be a
cause and problem.
It did.
It took away the whole and nowyou hear it from the people who
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were so left and so far, evenpeople that were hurt in those
kibbutzim that try to distancethemselves.
I have so many stories because Iwanted to stop hearing horror
stories.
I'm reading horror stories, Iwant to sleep.
I was a little egoistic, youknow, to get back my sanity,
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because it was really aholocaust where we went through
and are going through, and Idecided to concentrate more on
mihuyuhudi and flies and even ifa person that was so far says I
didn't want to be Jewish, Iwanted to be known as Israeli, I
wanted to change my namesecular name, secular,
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everything.
I am coming back because Irealized we were killed because
we're Jewish and I thought thatthe state of Israel should be an
Israel and not a Jewish state.
I take it back and I apologize.
I hear it more and more.
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So if anybody asks what's thedifference?
This is a Jewish country andthis is the state of Israel, and
that's why I always was verycareful to say I'm going back to
the Arez or the Eretz Israel.
I come from Eretz Israel,because this is the name and
behind the name there's anideology and it's still this
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till today.
I came back last week fromAmerica and girls were asking me
and they're saying well, theflag and all these things.
Now it's not a flag of Zionism,it's a flag of solidarity, it's
a flag to show I'm Jewish.
So I said to show your Jewish,you could look Jewish, a girl
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could look Jewish and a boycould look Jewish.
Listen, there are.
It depends who I'm talking to.
If I'm talking to the Babutahgirls.
In an army you have differentbattalions, platoons.
You have also the Navy and youhave the Air Force.
You have the foot soldiers, wehave elite groups and everybody
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has their generals and I'velistened to interviews with
generals that were asked andwhat are we doing next?
And you know what they answeredWe'll go according to the
instructions.
We will listen to what we'retold to do.
In an army, you're told everygroup, every battalion, every
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platoon, whatever it's called,has to listen to their commander
.
So if we're told to from people, our mission of the day is
Torah amidst us.
Whether you were all in thearmy in New York City, in
Florida, in Europe.
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I have a son in Europe, youknow, all over the world in Tel
Aviv, and we each have ourslighot in the army.
So if it's for me making foodfor from people who move to Tel
Aviv, who are evacuated Tel Avivwant food from a from kitchen,
that's my order of the day.
Now I can't say no, I'm notgoing to give them food.
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I'd rather donate my boots, youknow, but nobody needs my boots
now.
Or I'll go down south cherrypicking we don't have cherries,
okay, tapozim picking Oranges orwhatever it is, but my
commander chief is theLubavitcher Rebbe.
So you know it's not going tohelp if I say I want to go now
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into the Navy or I want to be apilot, because I'm a Lubavitcher
and I have to do my slighot InNew York.
Your slighot you want to do.
Media.
Spread the Rebbe's words nonegotiating, be a proud Jew.
It's this week's sparsia.
It's this week's sparsia.
Yakov came with pride and hetold Asov, directly and
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indirectly I fought with angels,I'm not afraid of you.
We have to and that's what wasmy spire to Asov to be afraid of
Yakov.
We had and this is what theRebbe pointed out a lot, that if
we come across, that we knowwho we are, what we stand for,
what we're proud of, and notstart giving you, little by
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little, they will give up, theywill surrender to us.
This is our job the Jewishnation, the Jewish nation.
This is.
So if you ask me what peoplehave to do in America, listen.
If it's a college student thathas nothing to do with tarim,
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it's us.
If we could teach them sometarim, it's us, and say this
will be the school sent for thegood of Erzestor.
And if, for them, their Jewishpride is with the Jewish flag, I
wouldn't take it away fromtheir hands.
But for a Lubavitch or aforeign person that really knows
what the Jewish flag the notthe Jewish flag this random flag
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stands for, shows a bit ofignorance.
You know Axi Moran of areligious person holding a flag
that really symbolizes against,but I wouldn't make an issue of
it now if the people are doingother things to heal them stuck
up, showing the Jewish pride andspreading the word that we
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cannot give in, we cannot.
We are proud.
This is our place, and all thewords that I've said.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think.
I just want to clarify that I'mhearing correctly, so I make
sure that it's understoodclearly.
What you're saying is thatMedinat Yisrael is a secular
country and, as from Jews, ourgrounding force is the Tyra.
And if a country is beingmanaged and the dictates of it
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and the decisions that it'smaking are being are not guided
by the light of Tyra, then thisis not what we are supporting,
in the sense that we are notstanding behind Medinat Yisrael
but at the same time, at thesame time, we are still
supporting every single effortand every single need of the
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people in Yisrael, which areSpinaean struggle in Eritreous
Yisrael, and we are going to dowhatever it takes,
unapologetically and with pride,to make sure that the people
living in the land calledEritreous Yisrael are safe.
Did I say that correctly?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yes, but I would like to clarify a little bit Medinat
Yisrael stands for secularstate.
That's not completely the wayit started.
It was a status quo.
It's just the people, with time, became more secular.
There was a good representationof religion because also the
first people knew a little bitand respected, they weren't
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ignorant.
There was a certain status quoand, as Louvavich, as we know
and girls will ask you.
So I want to clarify that theRebbe met with ministers of
state, whatever met withpresident, whatever met with
prime minister, the Rebbe lovedEritreous Yisrael and loved
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every Jew, the prime ministerand all the people that were
involved, and trying toinfluence them and open their
eyes and tell them you arerepresenting our people, our
people, it's the people, it'sthe land, the people and the
land.
Rebbe didn't emphasize too muchMedinat Yisrael.
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It's just in those letters, aletter that he wrote to the
president, ben Svin.
He says I apologize, I cannotturn to you as the president of
Eritreous Yisrael, because to me, president of Eritreous Yisrael
is the Mashiach Ben David, andI'm calling it Eritreous Yisrael
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and not Medinat Yisrael,because that's what it is.
We're not going against, we'rehelping the Chayim, we're
talking to the ministers nofighting, no fighting, and you
know what they're with us.
They're with us because theyare Jews.
They are Jews it's just more tobring that Jewish pride into
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the open.
And this is what we're tryingto do, and I think the Jews from
America, all over the world,could help us in that, could
help us in that, give us morestrength as Jewish people in
Eritreous Yisrael, and you knowthe symbolism.
I spoke to a girl and I said soyou went to Washington, which is
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okay, very, very good, so shegoes.
So what was wrong if I alsoheld the flag?
I said what did it add?
You came already, you werethere already, so you, she goes.
I wanted to show solidarity.
I said by traveling toWashington.
That shows solidarity, bybringing that vast number of
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people.
That showed solidarity.
What did it add to you as alittle Babbage girl to wave the
flag?
There were other thousandswaving the flag and to them,
they weren't yet dressed as aJewish girl, they weren't
dressed with the kippah and thetzitzis.
If it was a boy and putting onto fill in, you didn't need that
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extra, but I wouldn't now fightso much.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I wanna just clarify some people they do hold
, you know they are from andthey are dressed the way that
they have to be and theircommunities, mahalek, might be
that it's okay to hold the flagand that's not.
You know, that's not at all thediscussion, that we're having
here.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's not my issue.
Yeah, that's not my issue.
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Exactly.
And I wanna clarify, like Igrew up going to my grandfather,
El Pasolam Tehishol, and therewas a, you know it was really
flagging the front and there was, you know, at the end of every
single Tfilah there was, youknow, a Mishabar for the
Chayel-e-Maverit Israel and forMedinat Israel, and that's, you
know, we respectfully stood andwe were there and we did what we
needed to do, because these areJewish lives and this is a
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Jewish place and we still valuethat and that.
And I wanna really clarify thatthe Rebbe never stood against
any other community and how theysupported Israel.
I think, Esther Bukersky, whatyou're trying to say is what is
our role as from people who arenot there?
Our role is to be the bestversion of ourselves because, at
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the end of the day, the Jewishnation is one body and when we
add goodness and when we addkindness, and when we add Taira
Mitzas to our space, we aredirectly impacting the
Chayel-e-Maverit Israel, we'redirectly impacting the lives
there, and that's our Shalikhutright now.
That's our job right now.
Our job right now is to focus onwhat we can do, and waving a
flag isn't really going to makeany difference in a practical
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sense.
Now I wanna also bring forthone other point is we spoke a
little bit about the Chayel-e-Mand the Chayel-e-M and I wanna
say the Rebbe did neverdiscourage people who felt like
they were able to serveErtug-e-Straal by going to the
army from going to the army.
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I remember hearing that theRebbe also spoke to someone who
said, oh please, discourage myson from going, and the Rebbe
told them you know why is yourson's blood rather than someone
else's son?
Like, we have to do what weneed to do.
So I think that there isanother differentiation.
Another very important pointhere is that protecting Am
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Yisrael on a practical level isnot what we're talking about
here.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, yutong-ten Israeli citizen.
The Rebbe was very clear thatIsraeli citizens have to serve
their country and the Rebbenever let a Israeli citizen,
lubavitch-e-bach you know theKvutz-e-Utah that comes for the
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year to America always had toget back to Ertug-e-Straal to
take care of their services inthe army.
We have a few thousandLubavitchers in the army at the
moment serving, and so that'sB'chal, not a issue.
If you talk about Americancitizens that want to start
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serving and feel that that's theway, you know, I don't wanna go
into that issue.
Let everybody work it out withtheir mashpia.
I feel that everybody has hissliches and sometimes if you
change your, like I mentionedbefore, if you were recruited to
the Navy and all of a suddenyou wanna ditch that and go
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someplace else, you won't behelping not the Navy and not the
Air Force, because actuallyyour training is for.
You know, I told a group ofelementary school children.
I asked them.
They all sang about theChizbala and the Chama.
They were also, you know,knowledgeable.
And I asked them they know whatthe Chizbala means?
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And they said no.
I said the Chizbala means thearmy of God.
I said you know, the yearbefore the Chizbala was formed
it had been formed Sivot Hashem,which means the same thing.
So we have art Sivot Hashem.
As from people getting morepeople to do to our Mitzvahs,
helping other people, you know,we know, helping a person in
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Skashmi is the Rukhnia.
So if it's helping in Chutzlan,it's awareness, teaching,
crossing them the street,bringing them food, this is
helping.
This is fighting the war.
This is doing this job of asoldier.
This, at the moment, is your.
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No, so many people, the frontpeople that now signed up to the
army and got a short trainingto be part of the Army.
There was twice, you know, arecruit.
They'll probably be drivers.
They're not going straight intocyber and they're not going to
the front line, but that's theirservice at the moment driving.
(31:03):
We need now a lot of drivers.
We are moving equipment, we arebringing food, because people
are all over, the Army is allover.
We need a lot of moving around.
So they know that what they'regoing to be doing now in the
Army is maybe to drivers, butthat's important in the Army too
(31:24):
.
We also need people to clean up, to pack up, to build bases or
whatever it is.
So in Juslaar, it's your job,it's in Juslaar, it's what you
could do?
If it's media, it's notspreading Shtuyot another story,
another story.
It's really making Jews proudthrough the media.
(31:45):
It's giving over the Rebbe'smessage through the media.
I think it gets a lot more doneand that, I think, might be the
shluchas, because we see theLe'Uma'zeh, how the media is
fighting against us, how peopleare putting pressure that we
should stop.
People are putting pressure onthe hostages.
(32:06):
I want to tell something.
Living Tel Aviv, we're so happywith every hostage that is
coming out.
I wait up every night to seethem coming.
I cry with the families andthen I cry that the Rebbe said
that such a negotiation is goingto cost a shluch.
It's a turmoil.
(32:26):
We're really torn to pieces.
So what the Rebbe said, thesedemonstrations are lifting the
prices up of every child, ofevery woman, every chayal and
every chayelet and every girland every boy that was in that
party.
Their prices are going up andup because the world sees how we
treasure these people.
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We should really keep it down.
We should really keep it down.
We know that, we want them, weknow.
So our song has to change andthe world has to help us with
that.
Help us with that.
Say continue the war, wipe out,wipe out.
Besides this week's fire showal-fabi ad-dua, isab sonn
(33:09):
niyakov nobody's on our side.
Everybody hates us.
There's sometimes glitches, souse those glitches.
America's smiling to us now.
Take what you can get.
All the help.
Rabbi Shimon B'Yochai saidal-fabi ad-dua it's a quote of
Rabbi Shimon B'Yochai.
Like Rashi says, and RabbiShimon B'Yochai, that I've
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explained, suffered from theRomans 13 years.
He was in a cave, but when hecame out of the cave he realized
the Roman Empire changed alittle bit.
At the moment they like us.
At the moment Asa is giving usa kiss, and so he went to Rome
to get things for the Jewishnation.
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He fought then for used up thegood time to try to get many,
many favors for the Jewishpeople.
So we have to use the worldfavor at the moment that they
should believe that we know whatto do, that we do not negotiate
, that we do.
We will continue this fight.
(34:14):
I feel that that part the Jewishjewelry worldwide could really
help us.
It'll help more than a flagwaving on the car and crying to
any other place in the world.
Our sneeze will help, ourdabbley would help, our looking
for kosher food, mormizuzis inpeople's homes these are signs
(34:38):
of Judaism, more people comingto Shul.
It is the sign of Judaism andstrengthening.
Now it'll be Hanukkah.
You should show it out.
If you're so many, talk aboutthe Nisim that were.
There was so many Nisim in thiswar, so many Nisim.
And talk more about the Nisim.
(35:00):
And Tabby that, I've been told,is to speak about the Nis, just
speak about the Nis.
These things are very important.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So we keep talking, like in not complete ways, about
what the Revistanz is.
So I just wanna, just for thesake of clarity, talk about
what's the Revistanz when itcomes to, a fighting this war, b
the land that we're on, and seewhat is our job.
(35:32):
Like, I feel like some peoplemaybe feel like they're not in a
space where they can sharetiremintzis with other people.
Maybe they can strengthenthemselves, but maybe they can
share information about and isthat our place?
Is it our place to shareinformation, or is that really
not our job?
That's from you, then to shareinformation in the larger areas.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think it is that I've believed in technology.
Yeah, the Revistzich hasprinted in English that I've
said speak to army generals,people to the people in the army
.
He said they know the truth andthey will tell you the truth if
you ask that they're notpolitically inclined, they
shouldn't be politicallyinclined, they don't have a
(36:17):
personal agenda and they knowthat it's best not to give back,
give away Parts of variousIsrael.
They know that Hamas has to bedemolished.
The Revistzich always said thatspeak to the people on top and
I think we could spread thepeople of Kossars, could spread
the Revistz words.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What is the Revistz words?
What is the Revistz words?
You are very clear and if canwe summarize what's the Revistz
stands on this conflict?
What or are conflicts?
Obviously not this particularconflict, but on a conflict like
this, what is the Revistzstands?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So we have.
If we go back to our history ofany time, there was something
in Israel that ever said thepeople on top at the army, they
want us to stand straight, astraight tall, come in myut,
come as kufa.
After the Six Day War, afterthe People War, that I've said
(37:18):
stuff, talking about giving backthings, nobody.
And the Revistz then saidAmerica doesn't even want you to
give away.
The Israelis came with aGholazdika take, we'll give.
Well, this is number one.
This is number one.
I want to you know what, tomake it clear there ever was a
ish halacha and there ever saidlisten to halacha.
(37:41):
And here this week's parashahalacha be a dua ish ala leh.
Why does Rabbi Shimon Bar-Yohaisay halacha, use the expression
halacha?
When it was gushkatif I'll usethat as an example all other
parties, all the parties thatwere fighting against it, used
Yud-e-Nomigalesh, yud-e.
(38:02):
A Jew doesn't push away anotherJew.
Or Afshal, we don't give backeven one footprint.
You know.
And there ever says those areslogans.
It's not halacha.
Halacha is that border citiesof an area where Jews live.
You do not give away.
(38:23):
And if you are allowed to bemechal al-Shabiz, if you see
going in, coming closer to theborder cities, you're allowed to
start war.
Okay, it's al-Hashim khoftez inHil-Khashabiz and I've always
used halacha.
(38:44):
I've always used halacha.
We stand behind our soldiers,we support our soldiers, we love
our soldiers.
They are gomb im siddus nefesh.
They are holy people.
They're holy people.
They are fighting.
I'm not a rough to say it's amochemah smitzva, but now it is
al-Hadik.
(39:04):
You know to fight and toprotect, because we are not
protected.
And this would be the revistaatfor the people in Israel to do
whatever we can In the Rukhni.
I definitely say, we all say it.
I mean, it's not my opiniononly, but it's a Rukhni's
(39:25):
deco-war here after the YomKippur war.
That happened and also the waythey came in Hezachadaz.
It's a.
Teach us that mushiah Krosukambe Hezachadaz.
If a war could come like this,we should be.
We this, it's Israel should becaught off guard.
Nothing buzzed.
Now one center moved andreacted.
(39:48):
There were no guards there.
The strongholds that weresupposed to keep us safe,
nothing was there.
Nothing was there.
There's no more Hezachadaz thanwhat happened.
We are the start-up nation, thesmart nation, the protected
nation, the best army, et cetera, et cetera.
And the Kodeshpah made us allfall asleep and like turn a
(40:11):
blind eye.
This was true Hezachadaz.
The same way that happened, Ibelieve Mashiach will come to
Hezach Hada's.
We should all just be preparedthat Mashiach is coming.
So that's why we have to cometo a better place, and I feel
Israel is coming to a betterplace.
That's why I think those of thepeople in Huzla have to feel it
(40:34):
.
I want you to feel the war,because I want you to feel that
momentum that we're all going toa better place, higher.
So yes, I wouldn't be Mevattahlittle things as.
What should I do now?
Strengthen your?
I divide it like this.
(40:54):
I'll tell you what I do.
A soldier listens to the wordabove him, knows he's in the
right place and he knows he's onthe surface.
So if I'm in New York or in TelAviv, I still have those three
things.
So every morning I say tomyself I'm the soldier, I'm in
the right place, I have tolisten to the one above me.
(41:17):
What would that ever want me todo today, thursday?
What would that ever want me todo today?
And then, mr Snuffish, whatwill take me out of my box?
Mr Snuffish is not dying, mrSnuffish is living.
Pushing yourself out of the box.
And this is what I would say tolittle girls, to big girls, to
big women, in New York, inLondon, in South Africa,
(41:41):
wherever you are, whether you'reLubavitch, litvish, modern
Orthodox, these three things youwant to be in the army.
You are in the army becauseit's not a war against us
citizens in the state of Israel,it's a war against Ertz Israel.
Like you said, we dabble for itevery day, and anti-Semitism is
not only here, it's not only inNile, in Afal'oz and in
(42:08):
Zizderot and in Ofaqim and inKeachmone, at Svad or Tel Aviv
or Trenyosh Lime, it'severywhere.
It's in Crown Heights, it's inBrooklyn, it's in Lakewood and
it's in Flappish and it's inJohannesburg and it's all over
the world, in France, it's allover the world.
So we're all soldiers, so we allhave to do these three things,
(42:29):
mr Snuffish, listen to the oneabove us and to know that we are
in the right place.
We are a soldier in the place Iam.
So if I am today, I have todrive or I have to cook or I
have to take out a gun.
This is what I do here.
Who killed the Mechavlim today?
Two.
(42:51):
Two Mellouimnikim that came home.
But they're soldiers, we areall soldiers, we're all Svaz
Hashem, we're all front.
Sometimes there's thebattleground and there's the
front line.
I mean the home front, sorry,home front and battlefield.
Now any Jew, where ever he is,he's in the battlefield and you
(43:16):
can't walk around in battlefieldjust with the flag.
It's a bit of a garnish to helpyou.
It will not help you anythingUsually, just a surrender flag.
That's not what we're holding.
We are holding the flag of SvazHashem.
We are the army of God.
This law was given to us byHashem, the first Rashi of the
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Torah.
You know it's interesting.
The Pusat that Rashi, rabbiYitzchok quotes in the first
Rashi, says koh ma'asaf, he gidle'amo.
I have a strong to us.
If you believe that it's yourcountry, it'll stay our country.
If you ask me what people inKhootslar have to work on, I
(43:59):
think it's belief, even inErzisro.
Even in Erzisro it hit home alot.
We wanted to make it the 51ststate of the United States of
America, like we used to sayShamsa United States, posa
America.
And now people are coming backto Eritz, israel.
(44:21):
And it's in Hashem and Okerah,and it's from the word that son
God's will.
The swore was God's will andnow we're going to do God's will
of making it a holy country.
It's Hashem.
Hashem should notice everylittle detail, whether it's a
(44:43):
driver or to cook, or somebodybuying underwear and sending it
to a hayal that needs it,thermals or whatever it is
helping a displaced child getschool books.
What we're dealing with withthe evacuees and the
psychological trauma, it's sodeep, the problems People don't
(45:08):
realize it.
It's so deep.
We opened up here a school forthe displaced.
It's kids that father is here,isn't here.
We're all with people inMilouim, in our own families.
It's already 50-something days,54 days Like your just gets,
(45:32):
like Father Bishal and Ashli, 54days.
It's like father's not home,people sitting Shiva, trauma,
kids who want their own beds.
People have no place where togo.
Hosts, hosting people for I'membarrassed to talk to people on
(45:57):
cronights.
You host this train this year,but you also was six weeks right
Because the Israelis couldn'tget back home.
So we're hosting six weeksPeople that were displaced.
Everybody was in the.
It's not volunteering mode.
I thought you're hosting themfor a day or two and then
(46:18):
everybody's going back to Metula, to Be'r Sheva, to Ashkelon and
guess what?
They're still here it's.
The whole country is challenged.
So hearing that people inhutslaats know what we're going
through and are also going outof their backs upwards, going
(46:42):
out of the backs towards Hashem,towards El-Zisrael, the real
El-Zisrael Zulzainism is Zulzain.
You know that's a differentpart of the army.
Let them deal with that.
It's not even an issue.
I'm not even thinking about thetruth.
After the year we went through,I figured you know it'll, it'll
(47:04):
fizz out by itself.
We have to strengthenEl-Zisrael.
So the little man said likedisappears little by little and
spreading the red as wordsstrength stand strong.
You don't, you know, give roomfor the enemy.
(47:25):
We don't give away land.
And you know it's all written,it's all written today.
We don't need to hear it fromme, it's all written.
Everybody, I think you know,just learning it.
It's Torah, what the Rabbi saysis Torah.
So you could learn that.
(47:46):
That's Torah.
Listen to what the Rabbi says,and even my friend that I spoke
to today.
She says it's true, it's true.
I didn't believe you then.
She doesn't come from a littlebit of your home and you know
she said I didn't think it wouldhappen what the Rabbi said.
And now she goes.
I guess I'll stop believing inMashiach too.
(48:09):
For me, I waited 40 years forthat sentence.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
That's definitely what we're waiting for now and
definitely what we're dawningfor, that there's really no
other space to go to aside from.
Therefore, mashiach must bearound the corner and I dab in
that you know Mashiach is righthere right now and all the
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hostages come home and all thepeople you know are safe and
secure, emotionally andphysically, and every single
level.
And I think from thisconversation with Mrs Pekarski,
I think we could all take uponourselves to do what we do best,
which is to be there, be therein a spiritual sense for our
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brothers and sisters in Eritreal, because, at the end of the day
, we are all one and we are allgoing to influence positive
change by spreading ourpositivity and our deep, deep,
deep connection to Hashem toreally manifest the absolute
best outcome, and not atemporary peace, but a forever
peace, a peace for all, everyone, all over the world, so that
(49:21):
everyone can live in peace andenjoy the G'ulah Amitis
Vashleimah Mashiach speedily,right now.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I just want to add that we do in our shalom
every day, besides Tulum, ofcourse and I actually mentioned
the names of the hostages andsoldiers and Davin constantly.
They're constantly on our minds, we're constantly dawning.
It's not like people who aresaying you know, they will be
(49:54):
our sacrifice for the bigpicture.
No, that Abbas said that bystanding strong, not only we
will get them back, we will notlose the rest of it.
It won't be at a price that nowwe're getting the little
picture back, whoever we'regetting back, and it's at a very
(50:17):
big price.
People shouldn't think thatKassar Shalom, that Abbas said
okay, give up on these people aslong as you get rid of the
Hamas.
That Abbas said no, even forthe good of these people, it's
better to stand strong.
So if people say we have no, wehave no choice in order to get
(50:37):
them back, to negotiate.
That Abbas taught us no, if youdon't negotiate, we'll get them
back.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
And from Goldberg actually has an issue with bring
the hostages home and he sayswhat do you mean?
Bring the hostages home?
You're putting the onus on us.
We didn't take our hostages.
You have to say send them home.
They need to come back becausethey're sent back.
And that's a whole differentparadigm shift and I think
that's what you're alluding towhich is we need to stand strong
(51:05):
so that they're sent back to usunequivocally, because that is
what should be done and that isthe ultimate right thing now for
us to negotiate and get partsof what we want, but it should
be unequivocal and they shouldall be sent home and set free.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
And our wonderful soldiers should be safe and
sound and Amin and the Swarshould be over.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Amin, and they should come home with absolute health,
emotionally and physically, inevery single way.
Thank you so much for thisenlightening conversation.
Stay safe, we're going tocontinue to die.
Thank you, I'm Yisrael in EretzYisrael, and we're all going to
be back together soon in EretzYisrael.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Amen Amen.
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Hi and welcome to our podcast, bodies and Souls
Conversations for the JewishWoman.
Good morning and welcome toBodies and Souls.
Your host for today is RivkiBojarski.
I have the honor and privilegeof having Mrs Esther Bakarski
here with us again today.
We actually recorded anotherepisode about a year and a half
ago on Tarasem Shpacha, so ifyou want to go back and listen
(00:30):
to that once you're doneenjoying this episode, feel free
to do that as well.
Today's conversation is a timelyconversation and a conversation
that, as I watched this warthat we find ourselves in unfold
and I watched the reactions ofBane Israel, of the Jews inside
Ertistoral and outsideErtistoral, I felt like we were
(00:52):
missing something, and I reachedout to Esther Bakarski and I
said well, can we discuss what'shappening so we gain a deeper
understanding of how the Tyraholds?
We are supposed to support ourbrothers and sisters in
Ertistoral, what our role is inthis conflict and what is the
Tyra thought on Medinat Yisrael,the country that we are now so
(01:15):
invested in, and what our roleis in that as well.
So before we start today,esther Bakarski, I know today
was not a great day for ourbrothers and sisters in
Ertistoral.
Hopefully it will end being agreat day with the coming of
Meshach.
But how are you doing and howis the situation in Ertistoral
today?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, thank you, rivki.
So first of all, regardless ofTel Aviv, ertistoral, today was
a hard day.
It was a terrorist attack inYushalayim and three people were
killed Diane, a principal, anda young woman expecting a child.
A 24-year-old woman expecting achild.
(01:57):
Very sad news.
It hit us personally, ourfamily, because another Diane
was sitting next I think wassitting next to a Diane
Wasserman, I think his name was.
That was heard A young young tome everybody under the age of
(02:18):
60 is young A boy that grew upright here near us.
It's a very good friend of mine.
A father is the guy by here inthe show next to us, and his
wife grew up here, my daughter'sfriend.
I was also shot by a Hacham.
(02:39):
The bullet was removed from hisleg.
I got just before from hismother that he's out of the
operation room.
He is a father of a largefamily, a grandfather Baha
Hashem already and so you know,anything that happens anywhere
in Ertistoral touches all of us,and sometimes even more than we
(03:00):
think you know.
I heard in the morning from myson that he's having a hard time
getting to to Tel Aviv becausehe's on the bus, but everything
was stopped and he's not comingor he's going to be late.
Kiaia, piguwa.
And two seconds later my friendwrites please, daven, for Avida
(03:21):
Benmina, who's heard in thePiguwa.
And then I see his kids rightshow the video in a Abba.
Here's daddy sitting at the bus, stop learning.
He's also a dian, you know,it's such a beautiful thing with
a kapatan and a hat and asvarim, sitting two day on him
at the bus, stop learning.
(03:43):
And all of a sudden you seethem being attacked.
So I was punked when we heardthe news.
I was near my friend, anotherfriend of mine who's not a Hasid
, very, very fine woman that wehad this discussion many years
ago by Gush Katif and the Rebbewas you know, we cannot give
(04:06):
back, give away.
We never say give back, giveaway, give him back.
That means it belonged to themand it's not giving back, giving
away border towns, because allErzicisral will be in danger.
And the Rebbe went into very,very detailed that we see now it
(04:28):
coming to fruition, the Nivurof the Rebbe, and that's how we
know that the Nivur of Mashiachwill also come into fruition.
So today I was discussing withher then about it because and I
reminded her that when I toldher then we cannot do it.
She says, yes, but we have nochoice.
(04:49):
We have to give away Gush Katifto make shalom, and today's
center is new, new.
And then, when we start talkingabout the Hasid situation, so
she says, well, we have nochoice.
I said you said it 20 years agoand look what happened.
Believe what the Rebbe said.
(05:09):
Because the Rebbe said if wespeak about giving away, parts
of Erzicisral will be in danger.
The Rebbe said, if we talkabout negotiations, it will
happen.
And then two minutes later, weget again on my phone my friend
has a more culture phone than Ido, so that's what's up and I do
(05:30):
.
And we got about.
Have you done a child that grewup here, that we know since he
was born?
It's just, oh my gosh.
I said this happened inYershalayim, we're negotiating.
And when you talk to monsters,exactly what the Rebbe says,
when you talk to them aboutShalom, about giving in, about
(05:52):
exchange, it'll, the Rebbe said,it'll hit us home in our home,
we're in Tel Aviv, et cetera.
It hit us home down the block.
He lives down the block, a childthat we, you know, saw growing
up and becoming a dyin, and hiswife and a beautiful family,
barak Hashem.
Barak Hashem is doing well, butstill so.
(06:17):
Today was a day of me againdoing my shlichot tongue to
front people what we're supposedto think, how we're supposed to
, what the Rabbi's words are,and I feel it's part of my
shlichot of explaining the standof front people in Erzisral, we
daven, we're happy with everyhostage that comes back, but we
(06:40):
have to look with the eyes ofour G'doylem that had bigger
eyes, our Godol, ourCommander-in-Chief, the Rabbi
who told us how to look at thebig picture, and we saw it today
very clearly.
Yesterday was that type of aday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Today was a heavy day on your end and I'm really I'm
sorry about that and I'm sorryfor every day that's heavy.
I think on a larger scale, allof us feel a little bit.
I keep people like, oh my gosh,I can't believe it was just
Tishrei, now it's Khanaka.
I'm like we as a communitywe've been going through like a
trauma response.
So all the time between Tishreiand oh my gosh, it's Khanaka,
(07:20):
for a lot of us it's been like ablur.
Even the people in KhootslaErzitz it's been this like
community, like will I be ableto keep my kids safe?
Well, even in Khootsla Erzitzwe have that feeling and I can't
imagine how much stronger thatis in Erzisral.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
If you're mentioning Tishrei.
Tishrei to us in Erzisral islight years away.
We're in different Erzisral now.
The Tishrei that Erzisral wentthrough this year was the lowest
that we could have been.
I mean, we were happy, wecelebrated and in the Dabini we
(07:53):
were on a high, but oursurrounding area, the clipper
around us, was extremelydifficult.
I'm coming from Tel Aviv, butI'm sure people also different
places.
They are the very secular cityand there were a lot of
demonstrations, neras, etc.
I don't want to.
(08:14):
It's not a time to beMkhattrigan Amnistral, but it
was the time that we saw ShuaLimhil Hubo faxes coming out
from Kodishkodashim YoungKeepers of Kodishkodashim and we
saw faxes in the Bezamegdash,like Rabi Akiva.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right.
Just to clarify, estherPrykarsky is not calling people
a negative name.
It was a situation that wasnegative and the situation was
very palpably negative and Icould also attest to this being,
having been an Erzisral thatthere was a lot of tension
between us as brothers andsisters, and that's the faxes
that Esther Prykarsky isreferring to.
(08:50):
This negativity that waspresent between everyone.
They were just this verynegative space.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, we were going through a hard time and yes, so
in a way I'm happy that happenedand it's over, it's over and
gone.
Like Rabi Akiva, he finally sawfaxes coming out of the
Kodishkodashim.
So he left Akiva and went tothe Kodishkodashim because he
(09:18):
finally saw the dark nirvua ofZion.
Because the dark nirvua of Zionwill be plowed, the paradise
will be plowed.
This is what we went through onYom Kippur.
We were plowed not by people,but by slogans and by different
(09:42):
ideology and backlash, difficultsayings.
And now we could laugh, I guess, because I thought then that
was the fax and then came thewar.
So I guess it was another fax.
It was more than Shua Lim, it'sLush, and Rabim faxes he also
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was.
So that's the end.
We finished Shua's Rabim.
So we've done both Shua Lim,the Yom Kippur and then the
Simhastora.
And now we see here inErtugstral such an awakening.
That's why I said it's lightyears away.
I completely forgot about YomKippur.
It's like over.
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It's a different.
I'm meeting the people andsometimes people come to pick up
things in our house.
We're donating and collectingand taking care of and sending
to the evacuees.
People are coming in our houseand they look around and they
see our menorahs and they say,you're a khabad, right?
Oh, you had a hard Yom Kippur.
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And I say, no, it's fine, it'sover.
It's like we're in a differentplace.
And they say, right, we're inthis together.
We see the Tbilin, we see theTee Lim, we see the people
coming to Shua, we see so muchawakening that it's a Yiddish
guide, tantadishvahu, that it'slike wow, wow, we couldn't have
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done it in 100 years of shlehutand one slab in the face.
I shouldn't like woke us up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're all woken up.
We're definitely all woken up,Shaken up shaken up and woken up
.
Yeah, shaken up and woken up.
So I think, before we go intothe conversation of how we are
supporting our brothers andsisters in Eritreous Rd, I want
to first clarify what Zionism is.
Is Zionism something that wesupport, that is Torah true, or
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is Zionism something that hasnothing to do with Torah?
So every single day, multipletimes a day, we dive in that we
should go to Yiddish Lai andwe'll see an Irhah.
Right, we dive in for EritreousRd.
What is modern day Zionism andhow is that different than
domining for Tsi'ayn?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So I came across actually I didn't come across.
My son sent me an interestingletter that the Rebbe writes to
somebody who must have writtento him about Zionism, or calling
it Medina Israel.
And the Rebbe said the name ofthe country is Eritreous Israel.
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That's the way it's written inthe Torah, or Aritz Aritz asot,
and it's not just a name, it'san ideology.
So really that's your questionIs there a difference in
Eritreous Israel and MedinaIsrael in ideology?
And there is.
There is because we know thatthe people who spoke about
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Medina Israel said it doesn'thave to be in this piece of land
of the world, it could be inUganda or in other places.
I'm trying to be careful becauseit's not a time to be
chastisement, to speak badlyabout Amnesty, so I don't want
to speak negatively, so I'lljust speak.
You know the ideology of thefirst Zionists was to start a
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new religion, because any ism isusually a religion.
You know you're extreme to, ina way, for communism, socialism,
until it becomes your religion.
And I'll even say that if youread you shouldn't, but if you
read their doctrines and theirpapers and their essays, you
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know there were many of themwhere you shif a bakhem from way
back or went to Heide and theysay we'll start a new Arachaiim,
we'll have a new Talmud, in away, a new Torah, and it was
pretty much of say mildly,anti-religious, anti.
Okay.
So this is putting it in a mild.
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The idea was to start somethingnew.
It could have been anywhereUganda, cuba, it could have been
anywhere.
So that's Medina, israel.
When, after the war actually,yes, it was Haftet in November
when it was declared by theUnited Nations Medina, the, the
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rebastand was we got it fromHashem.
Let's thank him.
Hashem gave us back the abilityto come without going through
visas and everything.
Every Jew could come intoArachis Troll.
Let's take the gift and thankHashem.
When a person gives you a gift,thank.
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And here is where it startedbecoming problematic when you
declare Zion, zion.
Actually, a person who coinedthe word Zionism.
His name was Natan Birambam andI used to live on the street
named after him, the ChovBirambam.
So I know a little bit of hisbackground.
He later became a from Jew whospoke so badly about Zionism,
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regretted coining this wordcalled Zionism.
So, if I put it very short, ithas nothing to do with the
Yiddish guide the way we know it, of Torah and Mitzvah.
It's far from it and there aremany things that happened
through these years that provethat it was trying to pull it
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away from Yiddish guide as muchas possible.
In the beginning it was statusquo and you ask, what is modern
Zionism?
I don't know if there's such athing anymore, but it's pulling
away from Yiddish guide, andespecially this last year, this
last year, and that's why, youknow, nationality or religion
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was taken off in the Tudad zuhud.
We shouldn't stick out as Jews.
You don't have to write thatyou're Jewish or not, and the
mihuyuhudi and a lot of thingsthat I've been fought for, the
people who thought that it, youknow it's not going to be a
cause and problem.
It did.
It took away the whole and nowyou hear it from the people who
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were so left and so far, evenpeople that were hurt in those
kibbutzim that try to distancethemselves.
I have so many stories because Iwanted to stop hearing horror
stories.
I'm reading horror stories, Iwant to sleep.
I was a little egoistic, youknow, to get back my sanity,
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because it was really aholocaust where we went through
and are going through, and Idecided to concentrate more on
mihuyuhudi and flies and even ifa person that was so far says I
didn't want to be Jewish, Iwanted to be known as Israeli, I
wanted to change my namesecular name, secular,
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everything.
I am coming back because Irealized we were killed because
we're Jewish and I thought thatthe state of Israel should be an
Israel and not a Jewish state.
I take it back and I apologize.
I hear it more and more.
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So if anybody asks what's thedifference?
This is a Jewish country andthis is the state of Israel, and
that's why I always was verycareful to say I'm going back to
the Arez or the Eretz Israel.
I come from Eretz Israel,because this is the name and
behind the name there's anideology and it's still this
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till today.
I came back last week fromAmerica and girls were asking me
and they're saying well, theflag and all these things.
Now it's not a flag of Zionism,it's a flag of solidarity, it's
a flag to show I'm Jewish.
So I said to show your Jewish,you could look Jewish, a girl
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could look Jewish and a boycould look Jewish.
Listen, there are.
It depends who I'm talking to.
If I'm talking to the Babutahgirls.
In an army you have differentbattalions, platoons.
You have also the Navy and youhave the Air Force.
You have the foot soldiers, wehave elite groups and everybody
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has their generals and I'velistened to interviews with
generals that were asked andwhat are we doing next?
And you know what they answeredWe'll go according to the
instructions.
We will listen to what we'retold to do.
In an army, you're told everygroup, every battalion, every
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platoon, whatever it's called,has to listen to their commander
.
So if we're told to from people, our mission of the day is
Torah amidst us.
Whether you were all in thearmy in New York City, in
Florida, in Europe.
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I have a son in Europe, youknow, all over the world in Tel
Aviv, and we each have ourslighot in the army.
So if it's for me making foodfor from people who move to Tel
Aviv, who are evacuated Tel Avivwant food from a from kitchen,
that's my order of the day.
Now I can't say no, I'm notgoing to give them food.
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I'd rather donate my boots, youknow, but nobody needs my boots
now.
Or I'll go down south cherrypicking we don't have cherries,
okay, tapozim picking Oranges orwhatever it is, but my
commander chief is theLubavitcher Rebbe.
So you know it's not going tohelp if I say I want to go now
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into the Navy or I want to be apilot, because I'm a Lubavitcher
and I have to do my slighot InNew York.
Your slighot you want to do.
Media.
Spread the Rebbe's words nonegotiating, be a proud Jew.
It's this week's sparsia.
It's this week's sparsia.
Yakov came with pride and hetold Asov, directly and
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indirectly I fought with angels,I'm not afraid of you.
We have to and that's what wasmy spire to Asov to be afraid of
Yakov.
We had and this is what theRebbe pointed out a lot, that if
we come across, that we knowwho we are, what we stand for,
what we're proud of, and notstart giving you, little by
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little, they will give up, theywill surrender to us.
This is our job the Jewishnation, the Jewish nation.
This is.
So if you ask me what peoplehave to do in America, listen.
If it's a college student thathas nothing to do with tarim,
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it's us.
If we could teach them sometarim, it's us, and say this
will be the school sent for thegood of Erzestor.
And if, for them, their Jewishpride is with the Jewish flag, I
wouldn't take it away fromtheir hands.
But for a Lubavitch or aforeign person that really knows
what the Jewish flag the notthe Jewish flag this random flag
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stands for, shows a bit ofignorance.
You know Axi Moran of areligious person holding a flag
that really symbolizes against,but I wouldn't make an issue of
it now if the people are doingother things to heal them stuck
up, showing the Jewish pride andspreading the word that we
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cannot give in, we cannot.
We are proud.
This is our place, and all thewords that I've said.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think.
I just want to clarify that I'mhearing correctly, so I make
sure that it's understoodclearly.
What you're saying is thatMedinat Yisrael is a secular
country and, as from Jews, ourgrounding force is the Tyra.
And if a country is beingmanaged and the dictates of it
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and the decisions that it'smaking are being are not guided
by the light of Tyra, then thisis not what we are supporting,
in the sense that we are notstanding behind Medinat Yisrael
but at the same time, at thesame time, we are still
supporting every single effortand every single need of the
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people in Yisrael, which areSpinaean struggle in Eritreous
Yisrael, and we are going to dowhatever it takes,
unapologetically and with pride,to make sure that the people
living in the land calledEritreous Yisrael are safe.
Did I say that correctly?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yes, but I would like to clarify a little bit Medinat
Yisrael stands for secularstate.
That's not completely the wayit started.
It was a status quo.
It's just the people, with time, became more secular.
There was a good representationof religion because also the
first people knew a little bitand respected, they weren't
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ignorant.
There was a certain status quoand, as Louvavich, as we know
and girls will ask you.
So I want to clarify that theRebbe met with ministers of
state, whatever met withpresident, whatever met with
prime minister, the Rebbe lovedEritreous Yisrael and loved
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every Jew, the prime ministerand all the people that were
involved, and trying toinfluence them and open their
eyes and tell them you arerepresenting our people, our
people, it's the people, it'sthe land, the people and the
land.
Rebbe didn't emphasize too muchMedinat Yisrael.
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It's just in those letters, aletter that he wrote to the
president, ben Svin.
He says I apologize, I cannotturn to you as the president of
Eritreous Yisrael, because to me, president of Eritreous Yisrael
is the Mashiach Ben David, andI'm calling it Eritreous Yisrael
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and not Medinat Yisrael,because that's what it is.
We're not going against, we'rehelping the Chayim, we're
talking to the ministers nofighting, no fighting, and you
know what they're with us.
They're with us because theyare Jews.
They are Jews it's just more tobring that Jewish pride into
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the open.
And this is what we're tryingto do, and I think the Jews from
America, all over the world,could help us in that, could
help us in that, give us morestrength as Jewish people in
Eritreous Yisrael, and you knowthe symbolism.
I spoke to a girl and I said soyou went to Washington, which is
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okay, very, very good, so shegoes.
So what was wrong if I alsoheld the flag?
I said what did it add?
You came already, you werethere already, so you, she goes.
I wanted to show solidarity.
I said by traveling toWashington.
That shows solidarity, bybringing that vast number of
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people.
That showed solidarity.
What did it add to you as alittle Babbage girl to wave the
flag?
There were other thousandswaving the flag and to them,
they weren't yet dressed as aJewish girl, they weren't
dressed with the kippah and thetzitzis.
If it was a boy and putting onto fill in, you didn't need that
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extra, but I wouldn't now fightso much.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And I wanna just clarify some people they do hold
, you know they are from andthey are dressed the way that
they have to be and theircommunities, mahalek, might be
that it's okay to hold the flagand that's not.
You know, that's not at all thediscussion, that we're having
here.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's not my issue.
Yeah, that's not my issue.
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Exactly.
And I wanna clarify, like Igrew up going to my grandfather,
El Pasolam Tehishol, and therewas a, you know it was really
flagging the front and there was, you know, at the end of every
single Tfilah there was, youknow, a Mishabar for the
Chayel-e-Maverit Israel and forMedinat Israel, and that's, you
know, we respectfully stood andwe were there and we did what we
needed to do, because these areJewish lives and this is a
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Jewish place and we still valuethat and that.
And I wanna really clarify thatthe Rebbe never stood against
any other community and how theysupported Israel.
I think, Esther Bukersky, whatyou're trying to say is what is
our role as from people who arenot there?
Our role is to be the bestversion of ourselves because, at
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the end of the day, the Jewishnation is one body and when we
add goodness and when we addkindness, and when we add Taira
Mitzas to our space, we aredirectly impacting the
Chayel-e-Maverit Israel, we'redirectly impacting the lives
there, and that's our Shalikhutright now.
That's our job right now.
Our job right now is to focus onwhat we can do, and waving a
flag isn't really going to makeany difference in a practical
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sense.
Now I wanna also bring forthone other point is we spoke a
little bit about the Chayel-e-Mand the Chayel-e-M and I wanna
say the Rebbe did neverdiscourage people who felt like
they were able to serveErtug-e-Straal by going to the
army from going to the army.
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I remember hearing that theRebbe also spoke to someone who
said, oh please, discourage myson from going, and the Rebbe
told them you know why is yourson's blood rather than someone
else's son?
Like, we have to do what weneed to do.
So I think that there isanother differentiation.
Another very important pointhere is that protecting Am
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Yisrael on a practical level isnot what we're talking about
here.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, yutong-ten Israeli citizen.
The Rebbe was very clear thatIsraeli citizens have to serve
their country and the Rebbenever let a Israeli citizen,
lubavitch-e-bach you know theKvutz-e-Utah that comes for the
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year to America always had toget back to Ertug-e-Straal to
take care of their services inthe army.
We have a few thousandLubavitchers in the army at the
moment serving, and so that'sB'chal, not a issue.
If you talk about Americancitizens that want to start
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serving and feel that that's theway, you know, I don't wanna go
into that issue.
Let everybody work it out withtheir mashpia.
I feel that everybody has hissliches and sometimes if you
change your, like I mentionedbefore, if you were recruited to
the Navy and all of a suddenyou wanna ditch that and go
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someplace else, you won't behelping not the Navy and not the
Air Force, because actuallyyour training is for.
You know, I told a group ofelementary school children.
I asked them.
They all sang about theChizbala and the Chama.
They were also, you know,knowledgeable.
And I asked them they know whatthe Chizbala means?
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And they said no.
I said the Chizbala means thearmy of God.
I said you know, the yearbefore the Chizbala was formed
it had been formed Sivot Hashem,which means the same thing.
So we have art Sivot Hashem.
As from people getting morepeople to do to our Mitzvahs,
helping other people, you know,we know, helping a person in
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Skashmi is the Rukhnia.
So if it's helping in Chutzlan,it's awareness, teaching,
crossing them the street,bringing them food, this is
helping.
This is fighting the war.
This is doing this job of asoldier.
This, at the moment, is your.
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No, so many people, the frontpeople that now signed up to the
army and got a short trainingto be part of the Army.
There was twice, you know, arecruit.
They'll probably be drivers.
They're not going straight intocyber and they're not going to
the front line, but that's theirservice at the moment driving.
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We need now a lot of drivers.
We are moving equipment, we arebringing food, because people
are all over, the Army is allover.
We need a lot of moving around.
So they know that what they'regoing to be doing now in the
Army is maybe to drivers, butthat's important in the Army too
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.
We also need people to clean up, to pack up, to build bases or
whatever it is.
So in Juslaar, it's your job,it's in Juslaar, it's what you
could do?
If it's media, it's notspreading Shtuyot another story,
another story.
It's really making Jews proudthrough the media.
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It's giving over the Rebbe'smessage through the media.
I think it gets a lot more doneand that, I think, might be the
shluchas, because we see theLe'Uma'zeh, how the media is
fighting against us, how peopleare putting pressure that we
should stop.
People are putting pressure onthe hostages.
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I want to tell something.
Living Tel Aviv, we're so happywith every hostage that is
coming out.
I wait up every night to seethem coming.
I cry with the families andthen I cry that the Rebbe said
that such a negotiation is goingto cost a shluch.
It's a turmoil.
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We're really torn to pieces.
So what the Rebbe said, thesedemonstrations are lifting the
prices up of every child, ofevery woman, every chayal and
every chayelet and every girland every boy that was in that
party.
Their prices are going up andup because the world sees how we
treasure these people.
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We should really keep it down.
We should really keep it down.
We know that, we want them, weknow.
So our song has to change andthe world has to help us with
that.
Help us with that.
Say continue the war, wipe out,wipe out.
Besides this week's fire showal-fabi ad-dua, isab sonn
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niyakov nobody's on our side.
Everybody hates us.
There's sometimes glitches, souse those glitches.
America's smiling to us now.
Take what you can get.
All the help.
Rabbi Shimon B'Yochai saidal-fabi ad-dua it's a quote of
Rabbi Shimon B'Yochai.
Like Rashi says, and RabbiShimon B'Yochai, that I've
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explained, suffered from theRomans 13 years.
He was in a cave, but when hecame out of the cave he realized
the Roman Empire changed alittle bit.
At the moment they like us.
At the moment Asa is giving usa kiss, and so he went to Rome
to get things for the Jewishnation.
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He fought then for used up thegood time to try to get many,
many favors for the Jewishpeople.
So we have to use the worldfavor at the moment that they
should believe that we know whatto do, that we do not negotiate
, that we do.
We will continue this fight.
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I feel that that part the Jewishjewelry worldwide could really
help us.
It'll help more than a flagwaving on the car and crying to
any other place in the world.
Our sneeze will help, ourdabbley would help, our looking
for kosher food, mormizuzis inpeople's homes these are signs
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of Judaism, more people comingto Shul.
It is the sign of Judaism andstrengthening.
Now it'll be Hanukkah.
You should show it out.
If you're so many, talk aboutthe Nisim that were.
There was so many Nisim in thiswar, so many Nisim.
And talk more about the Nisim.
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And Tabby that, I've been told,is to speak about the Nis, just
speak about the Nis.
These things are very important.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So we keep talking, like in not complete ways, about
what the Revistanz is.
So I just wanna, just for thesake of clarity, talk about
what's the Revistanz when itcomes to, a fighting this war, b
the land that we're on, and seewhat is our job.
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Like, I feel like some peoplemaybe feel like they're not in a
space where they can sharetiremintzis with other people.
Maybe they can strengthenthemselves, but maybe they can
share information about and isthat our place?
Is it our place to shareinformation, or is that really
not our job?
That's from you, then to shareinformation in the larger areas.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think it is that I've believed in technology.
Yeah, the Revistzich hasprinted in English that I've
said speak to army generals,people to the people in the army
.
He said they know the truth andthey will tell you the truth if
you ask that they're notpolitically inclined, they
shouldn't be politicallyinclined, they don't have a
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personal agenda and they knowthat it's best not to give back,
give away Parts of variousIsrael.
They know that Hamas has to bedemolished.
The Revistzich always said thatspeak to the people on top and
I think we could spread thepeople of Kossars, could spread
the Revistz words.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What is the Revistz words?
What is the Revistz words?
You are very clear and if canwe summarize what's the Revistz
stands on this conflict?
What or are conflicts?
Obviously not this particularconflict, but on a conflict like
this, what is the Revistzstands?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So we have.
If we go back to our history ofany time, there was something
in Israel that ever said thepeople on top at the army, they
want us to stand straight, astraight tall, come in myut,
come as kufa.
After the Six Day War, afterthe People War, that I've said
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stuff, talking about giving backthings, nobody.
And the Revistz then saidAmerica doesn't even want you to
give away.
The Israelis came with aGholazdika take, we'll give.
Well, this is number one.
This is number one.
I want to you know what, tomake it clear there ever was a
ish halacha and there ever saidlisten to halacha.
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And here this week's parashahalacha be a dua ish ala leh.
Why does Rabbi Shimon Bar-Yohaisay halacha, use the expression
halacha?
When it was gushkatif I'll usethat as an example all other
parties, all the parties thatwere fighting against it, used
Yud-e-Nomigalesh, yud-e.
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A Jew doesn't push away anotherJew.
Or Afshal, we don't give backeven one footprint.
You know.
And there ever says those areslogans.
It's not halacha.
Halacha is that border citiesof an area where Jews live.
You do not give away.
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And if you are allowed to bemechal al-Shabiz, if you see
going in, coming closer to theborder cities, you're allowed to
start war.
Okay, it's al-Hashim khoftez inHil-Khashabiz and I've always
used halacha.
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I've always used halacha.
We stand behind our soldiers,we support our soldiers, we love
our soldiers.
They are gomb im siddus nefesh.
They are holy people.
They're holy people.
They are fighting.
I'm not a rough to say it's amochemah smitzva, but now it is
al-Hadik.
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You know to fight and toprotect, because we are not
protected.
And this would be the revistaatfor the people in Israel to do
whatever we can In the Rukhni.
I definitely say, we all say it.
I mean, it's not my opiniononly, but it's a Rukhni's
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deco-war here after the YomKippur war.
That happened and also the waythey came in Hezachadaz.
It's a.
Teach us that mushiah Krosukambe Hezachadaz.
If a war could come like this,we should be.
We this, it's Israel should becaught off guard.
Nothing buzzed.
Now one center moved andreacted.
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There were no guards there.
The strongholds that weresupposed to keep us safe,
nothing was there.
Nothing was there.
There's no more Hezachadaz thanwhat happened.
We are the start-up nation, thesmart nation, the protected
nation, the best army, et cetera, et cetera.
And the Kodeshpah made us allfall asleep and like turn a
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blind eye.
This was true Hezachadaz.
The same way that happened, Ibelieve Mashiach will come to
Hezach Hada's.
We should all just be preparedthat Mashiach is coming.
So that's why we have to cometo a better place, and I feel
Israel is coming to a betterplace.
That's why I think those of thepeople in Huzla have to feel it
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.
I want you to feel the war,because I want you to feel that
momentum that we're all going toa better place, higher.
So yes, I wouldn't be Mevattahlittle things as.
What should I do now?
Strengthen your?
I divide it like this.
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I'll tell you what I do.
A soldier listens to the wordabove him, knows he's in the
right place and he knows he's onthe surface.
So if I'm in New York or in TelAviv, I still have those three
things.
So every morning I say tomyself I'm the soldier, I'm in
the right place, I have tolisten to the one above me.
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What would that ever want me todo today, thursday?
What would that ever want me todo today?
And then, mr Snuffish, whatwill take me out of my box?
Mr Snuffish is not dying, mrSnuffish is living.
Pushing yourself out of the box.
And this is what I would say tolittle girls, to big girls, to
big women, in New York, inLondon, in South Africa,
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wherever you are, whether you'reLubavitch, litvish, modern
Orthodox, these three things youwant to be in the army.
You are in the army becauseit's not a war against us
citizens in the state of Israel,it's a war against Ertz Israel.
Like you said, we dabble for itevery day, and anti-Semitism is
not only here, it's not only inNile, in Afal'oz and in
(42:08):
Zizderot and in Ofaqim and inKeachmone, at Svad or Tel Aviv
or Trenyosh Lime, it'severywhere.
It's in Crown Heights, it's inBrooklyn, it's in Lakewood and
it's in Flappish and it's inJohannesburg and it's all over
the world, in France, it's allover the world.
So we're all soldiers, so we allhave to do these three things,
(42:29):
mr Snuffish, listen to the oneabove us and to know that we are
in the right place.
We are a soldier in the place Iam.
So if I am today, I have todrive or I have to cook or I
have to take out a gun.
This is what I do here.
Who killed the Mechavlim today?
Two.
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Two Mellouimnikim that came home.
But they're soldiers, we areall soldiers, we're all Svaz
Hashem, we're all front.
Sometimes there's thebattleground and there's the
front line.
I mean the home front, sorry,home front and battlefield.
Now any Jew, where ever he is,he's in the battlefield and you
(43:16):
can't walk around in battlefieldjust with the flag.
It's a bit of a garnish to helpyou.
It will not help you anythingUsually, just a surrender flag.
That's not what we're holding.
We are holding the flag of SvazHashem.
We are the army of God.
This law was given to us byHashem, the first Rashi of the
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Torah.
You know it's interesting.
The Pusat that Rashi, rabbiYitzchok quotes in the first
Rashi, says koh ma'asaf, he gidle'amo.
I have a strong to us.
If you believe that it's yourcountry, it'll stay our country.
If you ask me what people inKhootslar have to work on, I
(43:59):
think it's belief, even inErzisro.
Even in Erzisro it hit home alot.
We wanted to make it the 51ststate of the United States of
America, like we used to sayShamsa United States, posa
America.
And now people are coming backto Eritz, israel.
(44:21):
And it's in Hashem and Okerah,and it's from the word that son
God's will.
The swore was God's will andnow we're going to do God's will
of making it a holy country.
It's Hashem.
Hashem should notice everylittle detail, whether it's a
(44:43):
driver or to cook, or somebodybuying underwear and sending it
to a hayal that needs it,thermals or whatever it is
helping a displaced child getschool books.
What we're dealing with withthe evacuees and the
psychological trauma, it's sodeep, the problems People don't
(45:08):
realize it.
It's so deep.
We opened up here a school forthe displaced.
It's kids that father is here,isn't here.
We're all with people inMilouim, in our own families.
It's already 50-something days,54 days Like your just gets,
(45:32):
like Father Bishal and Ashli, 54days.
It's like father's not home,people sitting Shiva, trauma,
kids who want their own beds.
People have no place where togo.
Hosts, hosting people for I'membarrassed to talk to people on
(45:57):
cronights.
You host this train this year,but you also was six weeks right
Because the Israelis couldn'tget back home.
So we're hosting six weeksPeople that were displaced.
Everybody was in the.
It's not volunteering mode.
I thought you're hosting themfor a day or two and then
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everybody's going back to Metula, to Be'r Sheva, to Ashkelon and
guess what?
They're still here it's.
The whole country is challenged.
So hearing that people inhutslaats know what we're going
through and are also going outof their backs upwards, going
(46:42):
out of the backs towards Hashem,towards El-Zisrael, the real
El-Zisrael Zulzainism is Zulzain.
You know that's a differentpart of the army.
Let them deal with that.
It's not even an issue.
I'm not even thinking about thetruth.
After the year we went through,I figured you know it'll, it'll
(47:04):
fizz out by itself.
We have to strengthenEl-Zisrael.
So the little man said likedisappears little by little and
spreading the red as wordsstrength stand strong.
You don't, you know, give roomfor the enemy.
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We don't give away land.
And you know it's all written,it's all written today.
We don't need to hear it fromme, it's all written.
Everybody, I think you know,just learning it.
It's Torah, what the Rabbi saysis Torah.
So you could learn that.
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That's Torah.
Listen to what the Rabbi says,and even my friend that I spoke
to today.
She says it's true, it's true.
I didn't believe you then.
She doesn't come from a littlebit of your home and you know
she said I didn't think it wouldhappen what the Rabbi said.
And now she goes.
I guess I'll stop believing inMashiach too.
(48:09):
For me, I waited 40 years forthat sentence.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
That's definitely what we're waiting for now and
definitely what we're dawningfor, that there's really no
other space to go to aside from.
Therefore, mashiach must bearound the corner and I dab in
that you know Mashiach is righthere right now and all the
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hostages come home and all thepeople you know are safe and
secure, emotionally andphysically, and every single
level.
And I think from thisconversation with Mrs Pekarski,
I think we could all take uponourselves to do what we do best,
which is to be there, be therein a spiritual sense for our
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brothers and sisters in Eritreal, because, at the end of the day
, we are all one and we are allgoing to influence positive
change by spreading ourpositivity and our deep, deep,
deep connection to Hashem toreally manifest the absolute
best outcome, and not atemporary peace, but a forever
peace, a peace for all, everyone, all over the world, so that
(49:21):
everyone can live in peace andenjoy the G'ulah Amitis
Vashleimah Mashiach speedily,right now.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I just want to add that we do in our shalom
every day, besides Tulum, ofcourse and I actually mentioned
the names of the hostages andsoldiers and Davin constantly.
They're constantly on our minds, we're constantly dawning.
It's not like people who aresaying you know, they will be
(49:54):
our sacrifice for the bigpicture.
No, that Abbas said that bystanding strong, not only we
will get them back, we will notlose the rest of it.
It won't be at a price that nowwe're getting the little
picture back, whoever we'regetting back, and it's at a very
(50:17):
big price.
People shouldn't think thatKassar Shalom, that Abbas said
okay, give up on these people aslong as you get rid of the
Hamas.
That Abbas said no, even forthe good of these people, it's
better to stand strong.
So if people say we have no, wehave no choice in order to get
(50:37):
them back, to negotiate.
That Abbas taught us no, if youdon't negotiate, we'll get them
back.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
And from Goldberg actually has an issue with bring
the hostages home and he sayswhat do you mean?
Bring the hostages home?
You're putting the onus on us.
We didn't take our hostages.
You have to say send them home.
They need to come back becausethey're sent back.
And that's a whole differentparadigm shift and I think
that's what you're alluding towhich is we need to stand strong
(51:05):
so that they're sent back to usunequivocally, because that is
what should be done and that isthe ultimate right thing now for
us to negotiate and get partsof what we want, but it should
be unequivocal and they shouldall be sent home and set free.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
And our wonderful soldiers should be safe and
sound and Amin and the Swarshould be over.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Amin, and they should come home with absolute health,
emotionally and physically, inevery single way.
Thank you so much for thisenlightening conversation.
Stay safe, we're going tocontinue to die.
Thank you, I'm Yisrael in EretzYisrael, and we're all going to
be back together soon in EretzYisrael.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Amen Amen.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
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We hope you enjoyed and grew.
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