October 19, 2023 • 31 mins
Jamie Faith, a special forces operator in Tennessee, is fatally shot seven times while walking his dog, a part of his morning routine with his wife Jennifer. What initially appears as a masked perpetrator's random act of violence unravels into a dark tale of manipulation, emotional affairs, and meticulous planning. Join Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack as they delve into the layers of this case, from shot groupings to text messages that expose a staggering truth. Hear about their personal experiences with gun control and their love for dogs, which add nuanced layers to this tragic narrative. With revelations of a GoFundMe scam and the psychological tactics of a supposedly grieving widow, this episode leaves you questioning where love ends and deceit begins.
Time-coded Highlights:
00:00:20—Joe Scott Morgan sets a serene scene by sharing his morning routine with his rescue dogs before diving into Jamie and Jennifer Faith's heart-wrenching story.
00:01:23—The tragic murder of Jamie Faith is introduced by Morgan, marking the contrast between a mundane dog-walking routine and a violent death.
00:01:55—A light moment as Morgan teases a secret about Dave Mack.
00:02:29—Dave Mack speaks fondly of his English Bulldog, Hank, adding to the hosts' evident love for dogs.
00:03:40—The story of Jamie and Jennifer Faith comes to life as Mack paints a vivid picture of the couple.
00:04:22—Joseph Scott Morgan describes the peaceful neighborhood where Jamie was killed starkly and how it contrasts with the horror that unfolded there.
00:07:03—The complexity of shooting scenarios is discussed, touching upon the differences in training between the military and police.
00:09:10—Shot grouping and its accuracy are detailed, with Morgan using the example of an index card.
00:12:11—Morgan's personal connection to the case reveals the story's emotional weight.
00:15:02—The hosts discuss the striking contrast between the crime scene and its peaceful setting, noting Jamie's strategic targeting.
00:18:21—A 45 caliber handgun's history and effectiveness are elaborated on by Morgan.
00:22:57—Dave Mack starts to reveal the investigation's findings, including a peculiar connection to Jennifer, Jamie's wife.
00:25:00—Digital forensics bring shocking text messages to light, discussed by both Mack and Morgan.
00:30:20—A perforating gunshot wound in Jamie's groin emphasizes the brutality of the attack.
00:31:00—The episode concludes with Joe Scott stating that the shooter was highly skilled, having left no trace of soot or gunpowder on Jamie's body.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Without fail, I would
say every day that my wife and I we wake
up to the sound of a shaking dog. That's the
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way it happens. We've got three rescue dogs that we love.
Our kids are out of the house now. These are
like our children, and each one has its own distinct personality.
But without fail, when one starts shaking in the morning,
the other two will shake in turn. And that means
the obvious right. They want to go outside, and why
wouldn't they, You know, they've been sleeping there all night.
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They've got to go out and leave themselves. They want
to walk around the yard and sniff and all that
sort of thing, and we certainly oblige them. Generally, I'll
sit on the front stoop with a cup of coffee,
just watching wandering around the yard. It's peaceful, watch the
sun rise up over my dog's wandering through the wagon
their ass. But some people they get up in the
morning and they grab their leashot to the dog's collar
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and they go for a walk. We're gonna talk today
about a couple that did this every day as well.
They had one dog, big dog that lived in their
tiny home with them. Their names are Jamie and Jennifer Faith,
and on this one particular morning, Jamie Faith, who is
(01:32):
Jennifer's husband, took his dog out for a walk with
his wife and he never re entered the home because
he was gunned down in the street by a masked perpetrator.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know,
(01:55):
I'm going to tell everybody in the audience a secret
right now. Dave mc and I hate constantly together and
we chat on the phone and whatnot, but we spend
a lot of time on the computer kind of looking
into one another's lives. Inevitably, Dave has the biggest bulldog
English bulldog I've ever seen in my life that wanders
(02:15):
into frame every single time. And I have to say, just,
person that's not in the room with you and doesn't
live in the same roof with you, this dog you,
let's face it. You weight on him hand and foot.
I can see it. And he's actually the master, I think,
in this particular case.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The most amazing gift, you know, the English bulldog that
weighs nearly one hundred pounds, and just to give you
the very quick one, you know, because Joe and I
both have rescue dogs, and this was not a rescue dog.
This actually came from a friend. It's not a dog
I would buy. I'm not against people buying dogs, buy
any stretch if that's your thing. But yeah, my English bulldog, Hank,
(02:51):
it's like having Fred Mertz living with you all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He looks like a Hank too, if you could turn
him into a human. He looks like a big guy
that would try a tractor trailer truck across a country.
Named Hank. He does.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And he's got like I will tell you this, he's big,
he's fun, smart and all dog. And when you're mentioning
this particular case today where we actually this is something
you and I both identify with is having a dog
as a part of your family. And there's a routine
that goes into this. And in the case of Jamie
Faith and his wife, they both were normal routine. Let's
(03:27):
go on, We're going to walk the dog. And I'm
looking right now at this picture taken from their own
their ring doorbell surveillance camera what have you, and it's
a picture just of your regular average couple. It was
their fifteenth anniversary for Jamie and Faith, and after fifteen
years of wedded bliss, they go out to walk the
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dog and as you mentioned, Jamie Faith was murdered and
it seemed like a random attack.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Out in the middle of the street. Okay. And I
got to tell you I tried to describe to people,
because you know, we kind of paint with words on
the show. But when I say that the environment in
which they dwelled, in which they live this neighborhood, it's
like neat postage stamp kind of lots. The grass is
all trimmed, and they are these kind of cottage style homes,
(04:18):
you know, that looked like they were built just after
World War Two. Some of them are bricks, some of
them are frame. It's a neat looking area. It's not
the type of place that you would expect to have
something this horrific happening, because it is absolutely life shattering
what occurred in this neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Dave, Well, that's the thing when you're looking at this
as fifteen years of marriage. Jamie Faith, his wife Jennifer Faith,
they met on a blind day, connected and fifteen years later,
here you go, they're in Dallas, Texas walking the dog
when everything falls apart. Now, Joe, I'm going to ask
you something very specific here. As a death investigator, when
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you come upon a scene like this where Jamie is
the victim, he has been shot seven times, three to
the head, three to the torso, and one to the groin.
Just from my standpoint, I'm thinking these shots have to
tell the story, especially the shot to the groin, because
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you've just got a couple out here walking their dog
in the morning, and for this to happen, I get
one shot in the head if it's payback for something,
you know, some kind of a murder, but this seems
not just overkill, but more to it. That shot to
the groin is a red flag in every way possible.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, it is. And again just bear with me here
because shootings are a dynamic event, and this takes place
out in the middle of the street day, which kind
of complicates matters from a forensic standpoint, And that's just
common sense. We're not going to the moon here. This
is just very common sense stuff. So the dynamic changes
outdoors as opposed to indoors. Let me give you, for instance,
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if you're working a scene where some one has used
a semi automatic handgun, which in this case was utilized
and you're on a hard surface, like an asphalt surface,
which the street was. You've got sidewalks that are adjacent
to it. You do have some grassy areas, but this
took place in the middle of the street. When those
shell casings are ejected out of this weapon, first off,
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there's no telling where they're going to go, all right,
they can bounce all over the place. Is completely unpredictable.
It's randomized. They've tried to recreate. Actually, some people have
tried to do studies where they try to assign some
kind of predictability as to where shell casings are going
to go, and you can't. It's an empirical impossibility. The
ejection port, which is where the casing comes out of,
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depended upon the type of weapon. This one was a
Smith and Wesson handgun. It's going to eject up and
slightly to the right. If you're firing the weapon, it's
going to go up and then slightly to the right.
So if you were standing in a static position that
means steady and firing this weapon, you can imagine it's
going to go over the apex of your right shoulder
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if you're a shooter. But again, you have to incorporate
this idea of dynamicism in the environment where the shooter
is not necessarily going to stand still unless they're highly
highly trained, where they can block out everything else in
their periphery and center in on the target. I find
the shot grouping very interesting, Dave, because, for instance, in
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military circles, when you're taught to shoot, remember, military personnel
trained different than police, all right. Military personnel are going
in to kill. They're not going in to do anything else,
all right. And so if you're trying to defeat the enemy,
if you have the ability to double tap twice to
the chest, that means center mass. If you'll place your
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hand over your chest, that's center mass of your body,
and then one to the head, so you've knocked them
down with two shots to the chest or to the torso,
and then the finishing shot is to the head. That
gives you an idea of paw and purpose in that environment.
If this was a police officer, they're always going to
shoot center mass at a target because that's the biggest
(08:09):
available space. It's not as much about precision shooting as
it is to end a threat. So I find it
very interesting, Dave in this particular case that you've got
this shot grouping that's literally in the chest, and I
have to admit this one shot to the growing is interesting.
And then you've got three gunshot wounds to the head
and they're very specific. They're on the left aspect of
(08:30):
the head. Dave.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
All right, Now when you say left aspect of the head,
what does that indicate is does that really have a
lot to do with what's going on here with the
shots to the head? Does that mean something to you?
Because I'm I can't imagine. I've never shot anybody, and
I can't you know, so I'm trying to put myself
here to figure out what would that mean.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, the tighter, the tighter the grouping of your shots.
That goes to accuracy, doesn't it. Now, you can be
accurate if you're aiming at a paper target and you
know which end is the business end of the weapon.
We're talking about an environment in the middle of the
street in broad daylight, dude, where you're putting a shot
group on the left side of somebody's head. And Dave,
(09:11):
everybody at home, imagine a standard index card, you know,
like a white index card. You know that you would
write a recipe on or make a personal note, or
you're going to give a speech or something. Imagine a
standard index card. This shot grouping that was on the
left side of his head, Dave. You could take a
index card and place it over the area and all
three of those shots would fall. You couldn't see them.
(09:33):
The index card would obscure them. That's how tight that
shot grouping is. One of the shots actually goes into
the ear.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, but Joe, you're shooting somebody. They're going to be moving.
I mean they're going to it's not going to be
a static target. So as the first I mean, I
know that the shots are going to be quick, But
how much movement is there between the first click and
the second and the third.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's the interesting piece to this, because you think about
what shot came first. That's not something you can necessarily
assess are interpret in the morgue. We don't go in
there to say this is the order in which the
gunshots occur. Now, under certain circumstances, we can state that,
particularly from a circumstantial standpoint. If you have an eyewitness statement, Okay,
(10:15):
they might be able to say, well, I saw the
man walk up and shoot the victim in the head
and then as they went down to the ground, they
shot them three more times. That is about as close
to sequencing as you're going to get. The morgue is
so far removed from the crime scene, and you kind
of want that too. Where the pathologist comes in and
they're not uninformed is not the right right way to
(10:38):
describe this. They're unbiased. So you have the pathologists. They'll
get what's referred to as a scene note that will
come in. It's not like the official report, and a
lot of people don't understand this, and let me break
this down for you. This is kind of the guts
of the way this works. When you're out on a
crime scene or death scene and you're the eyes and
the ears of the pathologist as the medical legal death
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investigator on the scene, you're making your notes just like
the police make their notes, and you're going to eventually
generate a report, but you will come up with essentially
a paragraph from the scene that will give a narrative
to the medical examiner slash pathologist as to what went
on at the scene. They have that snapshot from a
(11:21):
narrative standpoint, and they will have images, but they're not unbiased.
They are unbiased to the sense that they have not
been out there interviewing people and working the scene. So
when they get the body, they're looking at a body
that is riddled with gunshot wounds, and they're not there
to determine what sequence the gunshot wounds took place in.
(11:44):
They're there to document them, then talk about the nature
of these gunshot wounds, and of course, in this particular case,
the gunshot wounds tell one heck of a tale. When
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I began to dig into this homicide, one of the
first things that struck me is that I saw the
smiling image of Jamie, and he reminded me of a
buddy of mine I've been friends with for years. And
you can't superimpose your thoughts on what a person was like.
But when I see Jamie's face and I think about
this buddy of mine, he's one of the sweetest guys
(12:33):
I've ever known. He was very passive, he had a
very kind of jovial way about him, very bright, And
I look at this man's face, David, I think, all
the people in the world, why would someone walk up
and shoot this guy seven times in the middle of
the street, just outside of his house. I'm baffled by this.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
When you think about it, like this, Joe and you
pointed out right in front of his house. Okay, this
is a nice man. This is a guy people liked,
and everything seemed to be you know, outside looking in,
you've got the married couple met on a blind date,
got married shortly thereafter, and it was their fifteenth wedding
anniversary the day all this took place. And when you
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actually start tracking it back and you look at how
their relationship began, and they were too friends and neighbors.
They were the nice couple. And it's the reason I
asked you about the shot to the groin, because as
you're looking at this as an investigator, you're seeing what
all the neighbors are telling you about the couple. You know,
he's an American Airlines guy. They just get along and
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go along and out walking their dog. I mean, this
is typical suburban America. And actually it's more of a
dream world. I don't know too many people who do this.
Everybody wants to, you know, you want to walk hand
in hand in your neighborhood with your spouse and maybe
a dog. It's that's the dream, right, But bottom line
when this took place from the it couldn't be random because,
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first of all, his wife wasn't hurt. Now she claims
she was attacked, you know, Jennifer Faith claimed she was attacked,
but she wasn't. You've got her husband is seven gunshot wounds,
she's not hurt. So immediately as you look, you're wondering
what was their relationship? Like, what was really going on here?
Jennifer Faith. Immediately after the murder, she's on TV. She's begging,
(14:21):
please come forward. You know, you've emotionally done all this damage.
And she's crying tears, begging, begging for the murderer to
come forward, like that's what a murderer would do. But
I'm looking over and over at this, Joe, and even
from my limited abilities to understand, it doesn't ring true.
It doesn't ring true at all. First of all, it's
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your fifteenth anniversary. That's symbolic of so many things. The
person who's doing this couldn't have been random. They had
to know your routine, had to know that you guys
go and walk the dog every morning or close to it.
They had another route. You're going to be on end again,
since there were seven shots to the man and none
to the woman. Well, God is feeling there's a target here,
(15:02):
So all these things coming into play. Joe, you're the
investigator as you come to the scene of the crime,
and you're told by everybody, Hey, they were the all
American couple. He's a good guy, she seems like a
nice lady. What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You look at it in context, and remember my old
fallback statement as a death investigator and the things I say.
We're always viewing the abnormal and context of the normal.
And it's kind of I don't know, Dave, I was
looking at this, and you know, from our generation, I
look at this and I think, you know, this is
kind of a leave it to beaver looking neighborhood. You
don't think that violence like this, and this is a
(15:37):
certain special level kind of violence that you're talking about,
would take place within this environment. And the targeting is
important and not just and when I say targeting, I
don't just mean where the gunshot ones wound up on
the body. I'm talking about specific targeting of this individual,
because what you've done now is that you have fired
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your weapon into this man's body. And just to back
up a little bit, they're in suburban Dallas where this
has taking place. You're looking at this environment. It's kind
of a risk because you know that there's a potential
that police could be nearby because they're just on patrol.
You would have a patrol officer that would roll up
pretty quickly in this area that covers this beat on
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a regular basis. So you're going to alert neighbors. Which
actually happened, and one of their neighbors down the street,
this lady immediately Jason was looking out and she's on
the phone calling nine one one as this is happening,
because guess what they've seen the perpetrator. This perpetrator is
out in the middle of the street. They see a
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vehicle which is identifiable, and I mean very specifically identifiable, Dave.
There's not a lot of effort to hide anything. It's
not like you've got somebody that's waiting in the bushes
where you can go over. After the fact that you're
doing the investigation, you're going to look for foot prints,
cigarette butts, anything that gave you an idea that this
was some kind of traditional ambush where they're lying in wait.
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It's like they had specific times, so the individual arrives
in a truck. According to the wife, she heard footsteps
behind them, and then all of a sudden, all hell
breaks loose and gunshot ones explode in the air. I
actually listened to the recording one of the Ringkam recordings
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from an adjacent neighbor, and you can hear the succession,
and you know you talked about quickly it's boom boom boom,
and then you hear boom, boom, boom boom like that.
So it's that kind of thing. So you got three,
three and one, and it's you would get the impression
that it's like an individual that is paced and perhaps
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advancing on a target. So as the individual Jamie in
this case is being shot shot initially three times, and
then you move in and after you perhaps have you
knocked him down with those initial blasts, you're going to
shoot three more times, in this particular case, perhaps to
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the head, because those are kill shots, and as a
very tight group, the head is it's the ideal place
to hit somebody. But you have to have such a
level of accuracy to score just a single headshot. In
this case, you're talking about three headshots with a handgun,
which is not necessarily easily accomplished unless you're skilled and practiced.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, that is something they make look real easy in
the movies. And a lot of people have never even
held a pistol. They're amazingly heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
They are. And in this particular case, this is and
I'll go ahead and tell everybody, this is a forty
five caliber handgun. It's a very robust round. Our military
carried them for years and years, and they transition to
nine milimeter. Many police departments carry nine milimeter, and you
it has a higher capacity because the ammunition is a
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bit smaller than forty five cali. Forty five caliber is
very it's a very robust round.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What kind of damage does it did, Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
A tremendous amount. There's some history behind the forty five
caliber round in a sense that came about as a
result of our experiences our military had in the field.
If you've ever seen pictures from and this is post
Civil War, this is when there were actually revolvers, not
you know, like muzzleloading weapons, but officers and NCOs started
carrying pistols. And then toward the turn of the century,
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when you begin to think about the Spanish American War,
they had a lanyard that would attach to a thirty
eight Special, which is a zero point thirty eight round
pistol that they would carry on their side, and there
was a lanyard that went actually from their shoulder their epaulet,
you know, you see the soldiers that have epaulets on
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the shoulders, those little flaps that would attach there and
the cord would run down to the base of the weapon.
And so if they got into a fight and they
dropped their weapon, they wouldn't lose their weapon. That cord
enabled the the weapon to still stay with them even
if they were going hand to hand. The thing about
the thirty eight Special though, that they found out, particularly
when they encountered some of their adversaries. I think in
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Southeast Asia, the thirty eight Special was an ineffective round.
And you hear people talk about this idea of stopping power.
You ever heard that term before days Some people say
it's a fallacy. When you go from a point three
to eight round caliber up to a point four to
five caliber round, it's robust. There is a it's a
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game changer. So you wouldn't have to have say as
many rounds like with a nine millimeter, where you can
have them stacked and you'll have twelve rounds or thirteen,
depend upon a magazine with a forty five caliber round
and traditionally, you know, we went to a nineteen eleven COLT.
Nineteen eleven was the was the weapon our military carried
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for years of forty five caliber. It was a seven
round magazine. But the thing about it is, if you
can put one round on target, you're delivering that energy
from that point four to five round into a body,
and when it hits, it disperses all of that energy, okay,
into the body, and so you'll get much there's a
higher likelihood that you're going to thwart any attack at
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that point in time. In this particular case, in the
case of Jamie's let's just say, at execution in the
middle of the street, this is the weapon that was
chosen in order to end his life, Dave, I know
that Jamie was left dead in the middle of that
street when the sun set on that particular day. There
were so far more questions than there were answers.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
In my broad this is an execution. There is one target.
It's the man, Jamie. The woman is not shot at all,
which I don't understand from the most basic of crime stories.
We know, you've got two people, one's a witness. You
don't leave any witnesses. But this man actually did this,
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or the attacker did it in the morning hours, broad daylight,
in the middle of the street, in a neighborhood where
there are neighbors and surveillance cameras at work, and shoots
seven times and then hops into his pickup truck with
a big tea for the University of Tennessee on the
back window.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, and that's pretty amazing. And I've heard a couple
of different stories. Some people have said that it was
a tee for the Texas Rangers, and I've heard other
people say that it was a tee for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But Joe, as the investigation unfolded, we mentioned earlier this
was on the fifteenth anniversary, walking their dog in the
middle of the street, gunned down in broad daylight. So
the investigation begins with those three people. Two they know,
Jennifer and Jamie, and one they don't, the suspect. They
have some information on the suspect. You know where it
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took place, basic size vehicle he left the scene in,
and the type of gun he used to kill Jamie.
What they don't know is hey, Well, who is it
and why was Jennifer left alone? So as police started
their investigation, they started uncovering a few things and I'm
going to have to skip to this or we're gonna
run out of time. Jennifer reconnected during COVID in twenty
(23:32):
twenty with a high school boyfriend. I don't think this
is that uncommon. People at that stage of marriage been married.
They call it the seven year itch, and at that
point they've been married seven or eight years. Jennifer connects
with this former boyfriend from high school. People are locked
in for COVID her. The thing is her high school
sweetheart ended up being a killing machine in the military.
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He actually his name is Darren Lopez, and Darren Lopez.
I don't know if the middle name means as much,
but Darren Lopez was an Army veteran Special Forces combat
vet who actually suffered a traumatic brain injury in Rock.
Because of this, Jennifer faith was she was able to
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manipulate him. For want of a better word, she was
able to fill this ex boyfriend with stories of abuse
of how her husband had been abusing her physically, emotionally,
every which way there is to the point where Lopez,
this heroic figure, this Army Special Forces combat veteran, is
convinced that he needs to take out Jamie Faith. That
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he needs is to dispose of Jamie Faith. And Jennifer
makes it worth his while. I'm putting that in air quotes,
offering up money and by the way, offering up a
game plan for this entire thing. She creates fake emails.
But the police can actually unravel all this now. And
I know it's a different part of her, but the
digital forensics that are available to today, Joe, they mirror
(25:04):
the forensics of the body in the way an investigation
is done. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh, of course they do. They're electronic breadcrumbs, Dave. And
here's one of the amazing things. As the police began
to kind of unwind this story, this tale, Lopez lived
in Tennessee, and they're talking back and forth, Dave. She
had upwards that hold on to your hat. She had
upwards of fourteen thousand that's right, fourteen thousand text messages
(25:36):
back and forth with this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait a minute, since the time they reconnected, and it
was in March of twenty twenty when they both when
they reconnected during the beginning of COVID fourteen thousand messages.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, I don't see how anyone in the world has
enough time to do that. I hate texting with people,
and that you would devote that much of your life
to it to one single individual back and forth. You know,
it's not like she's shared critical data to try to
I don't know, save someone's life, or that they're communicating
with somebody that's in some kind of situation where they
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need to have money, some kind of big financial transaction.
They're conducting business. We're talking about a clandestine quote unquote,
and I will use the air quotes too, romantic relationship.
And I find it interesting that the police use the
term emotional affair in here, so that implies that it
was never physical. This was always done at a great distance.
(26:30):
It's a long ways man.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Six hundred and fifty miles. I looked it up because
I didn't know I had to actually look on the
map and go, well, type it in mileage here, six
hundred fifty miles. And by the way, only seeing pictures
that the person wants you to see, you can really
frame yourself in a certain context that way, by only
allowing yourself to be seen as the other wants you
to be seen.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh yeah, and when you're using language in order to
do this, particularly if you've got a guy that's that's
had his head rattled in battle, he's a disabled now,
that doesn't excuse what he engaged in with her. As
matter of fact, Go ahead and bury the lead here
and say that he's convicted murderer now. But the reality
is this is that she was able to wrangle him
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into what essentially boils down for a hitman for higher
case where she's wanting to divest herself of this relationship.
Here's the thing, Dave, what's really tragic about this is
that she went public with the murder of her husband,
this execution pleading started to GoFundMe raised upwards of sixty
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thousand dollars, which she gave some of this money to
Lopez to pay off credit cards and to buy items
with and all this sort of stuff. And when you
get down into the guts of this case, it's really
insidious when you think about how Jamie essentially died bleeding
out on that street.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And again three times in the head, three times in
the upper torso, and then one shot to the groin.
And that's the part I get from the very beginning. Joe,
that's the shot that got me. I don't know, it's
just a guy thing, but that has to have a
lot of meaning. When investigators are looking at a married
couple in the morning walking down the street, mass gunman
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shoots the man. There was no reason to shoot him
in the groin. It served no purpose in this murder.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
No it didn't. And here's the thing. First off, they
were able to track down Lopez by virtue. Obviously they
had the electronic breadcrumbs. They knew something was up. They
actually did aerial surveillance on Lopez's home in Tennessee. And
you know that script that went out over the air.
He was driving a black Ford four door Nissan Titan.
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All right, it's black, and then it's got this big
white tea in the left window. And there's one text
that's where she says to him, you probably ought to
get that tee off of your window as soon as possible.
They knew that something was up, that this was ill planned.
And can you imagine when the authorities determined who they
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were dealing with at this point in time, And it
was to the degree that ATF had to send their
Response team out there. It's not like a couple of
ATF agents went out to take this guy into custody.
They sent their SRT team out there. So they're fully
kitted up because they're going into a man's home in
Tennessee that is a Special Forces Operator DAVE, and so
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they have this in dwelling fear. Here's what this comes
down to. This guy showed up with a handgun that
was more than sufficient to the task. He shot this
man seven times and these are penetrating gunshot wounds. And
that's essential because the ammunition that was used, and ammunition
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fragmented within his body. They perforating. So people hear the
term perforating many times, I might think about perforated paper,
but here like perforating an ulcer, that means kind of
through and through and with If you hear us say perforating,
that means that around actually passes through and out out
of subjects. So the groin shot that he sustained was
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a perforating gunshot wound, and it blasted out through his
leg and the groin it entered and blasted out. The
other six gunshot wounds were penetrating Dave and listening to
the forensic pathologist. As she described these injuries to Jamie's head,
the shot grouping was so tight that she had to
go to great links in order to try to understand them.
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As a matter of fact, at autopsy, she had to
shave Jamie's head in order to understand what was going
on beneath the hair. Now, there was no soot deposition,
so that means that the person that shot him, Dave
here's the rub shot him at a distance. There was
no soot, There was no gunpowder deposition on his body.
So whoever fired this weapon was highly skilled and knew
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what they were doing. M I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
this is body backs
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Without fail, I would
say every day that my wife and I we wake
up to the sound of a shaking dog. That's the
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way it happens. We've got three rescue dogs that we love.
Our kids are out of the house now. These are
like our children, and each one has its own distinct personality.
But without fail, when one starts shaking in the morning,
the other two will shake in turn. And that means
the obvious right. They want to go outside, and why
wouldn't they, You know, they've been sleeping there all night.
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They've got to go out and leave themselves. They want
to walk around the yard and sniff and all that
sort of thing, and we certainly oblige them. Generally, I'll
sit on the front stoop with a cup of coffee,
just watching wandering around the yard. It's peaceful, watch the
sun rise up over my dog's wandering through the wagon
their ass. But some people they get up in the
morning and they grab their leashot to the dog's collar
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and they go for a walk. We're gonna talk today
about a couple that did this every day as well.
They had one dog, big dog that lived in their
tiny home with them. Their names are Jamie and Jennifer Faith,
and on this one particular morning, Jamie Faith, who is
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Jennifer's husband, took his dog out for a walk with
his wife and he never re entered the home because
he was gunned down in the street by a masked perpetrator.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know,
(01:55):
I'm going to tell everybody in the audience a secret
right now. Dave mc and I hate constantly together and
we chat on the phone and whatnot, but we spend
a lot of time on the computer kind of looking
into one another's lives. Inevitably, Dave has the biggest bulldog
English bulldog I've ever seen in my life that wanders
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into frame every single time. And I have to say, just,
person that's not in the room with you and doesn't
live in the same roof with you, this dog you,
let's face it. You weight on him hand and foot.
I can see it. And he's actually the master, I think,
in this particular case.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The most amazing gift, you know, the English bulldog that
weighs nearly one hundred pounds, and just to give you
the very quick one, you know, because Joe and I
both have rescue dogs, and this was not a rescue dog.
This actually came from a friend. It's not a dog
I would buy. I'm not against people buying dogs, buy
any stretch if that's your thing. But yeah, my English bulldog, Hank,
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it's like having Fred Mertz living with you all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He looks like a Hank too, if you could turn
him into a human. He looks like a big guy
that would try a tractor trailer truck across a country.
Named Hank. He does.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And he's got like I will tell you this, he's big,
he's fun, smart and all dog. And when you're mentioning
this particular case today where we actually this is something
you and I both identify with is having a dog
as a part of your family. And there's a routine
that goes into this. And in the case of Jamie
Faith and his wife, they both were normal routine. Let's
(03:27):
go on, We're going to walk the dog. And I'm
looking right now at this picture taken from their own
their ring doorbell surveillance camera what have you, and it's
a picture just of your regular average couple. It was
their fifteenth anniversary for Jamie and Faith, and after fifteen
years of wedded bliss, they go out to walk the
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dog and as you mentioned, Jamie Faith was murdered and
it seemed like a random attack.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Out in the middle of the street. Okay. And I
got to tell you I tried to describe to people,
because you know, we kind of paint with words on
the show. But when I say that the environment in
which they dwelled, in which they live this neighborhood, it's
like neat postage stamp kind of lots. The grass is
all trimmed, and they are these kind of cottage style homes,
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you know, that looked like they were built just after
World War Two. Some of them are bricks, some of
them are frame. It's a neat looking area. It's not
the type of place that you would expect to have
something this horrific happening, because it is absolutely life shattering
what occurred in this neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Dave, Well, that's the thing when you're looking at this
as fifteen years of marriage. Jamie Faith, his wife Jennifer Faith,
they met on a blind day, connected and fifteen years later,
here you go, they're in Dallas, Texas walking the dog
when everything falls apart. Now, Joe, I'm going to ask
you something very specific here. As a death investigator, when
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you come upon a scene like this where Jamie is
the victim, he has been shot seven times, three to
the head, three to the torso, and one to the groin.
Just from my standpoint, I'm thinking these shots have to
tell the story, especially the shot to the groin, because
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you've just got a couple out here walking their dog
in the morning, and for this to happen, I get
one shot in the head if it's payback for something,
you know, some kind of a murder, but this seems
not just overkill, but more to it. That shot to
the groin is a red flag in every way possible.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, it is. And again just bear with me here
because shootings are a dynamic event, and this takes place
out in the middle of the street day, which kind
of complicates matters from a forensic standpoint, And that's just
common sense. We're not going to the moon here. This
is just very common sense stuff. So the dynamic changes
outdoors as opposed to indoors. Let me give you, for instance,
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if you're working a scene where some one has used
a semi automatic handgun, which in this case was utilized
and you're on a hard surface, like an asphalt surface,
which the street was. You've got sidewalks that are adjacent
to it. You do have some grassy areas, but this
took place in the middle of the street. When those
shell casings are ejected out of this weapon, first off,
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there's no telling where they're going to go, all right,
they can bounce all over the place. Is completely unpredictable.
It's randomized. They've tried to recreate. Actually, some people have
tried to do studies where they try to assign some
kind of predictability as to where shell casings are going
to go, and you can't. It's an empirical impossibility. The
ejection port, which is where the casing comes out of,
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depended upon the type of weapon. This one was a
Smith and Wesson handgun. It's going to eject up and
slightly to the right. If you're firing the weapon, it's
going to go up and then slightly to the right.
So if you were standing in a static position that
means steady and firing this weapon, you can imagine it's
going to go over the apex of your right shoulder
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if you're a shooter. But again, you have to incorporate
this idea of dynamicism in the environment where the shooter
is not necessarily going to stand still unless they're highly
highly trained, where they can block out everything else in
their periphery and center in on the target. I find
the shot grouping very interesting, Dave, because, for instance, in
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military circles, when you're taught to shoot, remember, military personnel
trained different than police, all right. Military personnel are going
in to kill. They're not going in to do anything else,
all right. And so if you're trying to defeat the enemy,
if you have the ability to double tap twice to
the chest, that means center mass. If you'll place your
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hand over your chest, that's center mass of your body,
and then one to the head, so you've knocked them
down with two shots to the chest or to the torso,
and then the finishing shot is to the head. That
gives you an idea of paw and purpose in that environment.
If this was a police officer, they're always going to
shoot center mass at a target because that's the biggest
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available space. It's not as much about precision shooting as
it is to end a threat. So I find it
very interesting, Dave in this particular case that you've got
this shot grouping that's literally in the chest, and I
have to admit this one shot to the growing is interesting.
And then you've got three gunshot wounds to the head
and they're very specific. They're on the left aspect of
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the head. Dave.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
All right, Now when you say left aspect of the head,
what does that indicate is does that really have a
lot to do with what's going on here with the
shots to the head? Does that mean something to you?
Because I'm I can't imagine. I've never shot anybody, and
I can't you know, so I'm trying to put myself
here to figure out what would that mean.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, the tighter, the tighter the grouping of your shots.
That goes to accuracy, doesn't it. Now, you can be
accurate if you're aiming at a paper target and you
know which end is the business end of the weapon.
We're talking about an environment in the middle of the
street in broad daylight, dude, where you're putting a shot
group on the left side of somebody's head. And Dave,
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everybody at home, imagine a standard index card, you know,
like a white index card. You know that you would
write a recipe on or make a personal note, or
you're going to give a speech or something. Imagine a
standard index card. This shot grouping that was on the
left side of his head, Dave. You could take a
index card and place it over the area and all
three of those shots would fall. You couldn't see them.
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The index card would obscure them. That's how tight that
shot grouping is. One of the shots actually goes into
the ear.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, but Joe, you're shooting somebody. They're going to be moving.
I mean they're going to it's not going to be
a static target. So as the first I mean, I
know that the shots are going to be quick, But
how much movement is there between the first click and
the second and the third.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That's the interesting piece to this, because you think about
what shot came first. That's not something you can necessarily
assess are interpret in the morgue. We don't go in
there to say this is the order in which the
gunshots occur. Now, under certain circumstances, we can state that,
particularly from a circumstantial standpoint. If you have an eyewitness statement, Okay,
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they might be able to say, well, I saw the
man walk up and shoot the victim in the head
and then as they went down to the ground, they
shot them three more times. That is about as close
to sequencing as you're going to get. The morgue is
so far removed from the crime scene, and you kind
of want that too. Where the pathologist comes in and
they're not uninformed is not the right right way to
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describe this. They're unbiased. So you have the pathologists. They'll
get what's referred to as a scene note that will
come in. It's not like the official report, and a
lot of people don't understand this, and let me break
this down for you. This is kind of the guts
of the way this works. When you're out on a
crime scene or death scene and you're the eyes and
the ears of the pathologist as the medical legal death
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investigator on the scene, you're making your notes just like
the police make their notes, and you're going to eventually
generate a report, but you will come up with essentially
a paragraph from the scene that will give a narrative
to the medical examiner slash pathologist as to what went
on at the scene. They have that snapshot from a
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narrative standpoint, and they will have images, but they're not unbiased.
They are unbiased to the sense that they have not
been out there interviewing people and working the scene. So
when they get the body, they're looking at a body
that is riddled with gunshot wounds, and they're not there
to determine what sequence the gunshot wounds took place in.
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They're there to document them, then talk about the nature
of these gunshot wounds, and of course, in this particular case,
the gunshot wounds tell one heck of a tale. When
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I began to dig into this homicide, one of the
first things that struck me is that I saw the
smiling image of Jamie, and he reminded me of a
buddy of mine I've been friends with for years. And
you can't superimpose your thoughts on what a person was like.
But when I see Jamie's face and I think about
this buddy of mine, he's one of the sweetest guys
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I've ever known. He was very passive, he had a
very kind of jovial way about him, very bright, And
I look at this man's face, David, I think, all
the people in the world, why would someone walk up
and shoot this guy seven times in the middle of
the street, just outside of his house. I'm baffled by this.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
When you think about it, like this, Joe and you
pointed out right in front of his house. Okay, this
is a nice man. This is a guy people liked,
and everything seemed to be you know, outside looking in,
you've got the married couple met on a blind date,
got married shortly thereafter, and it was their fifteenth wedding
anniversary the day all this took place. And when you
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actually start tracking it back and you look at how
their relationship began, and they were too friends and neighbors.
They were the nice couple. And it's the reason I
asked you about the shot to the groin, because as
you're looking at this as an investigator, you're seeing what
all the neighbors are telling you about the couple. You know,
he's an American Airlines guy. They just get along and
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go along and out walking their dog. I mean, this
is typical suburban America. And actually it's more of a
dream world. I don't know too many people who do this.
Everybody wants to, you know, you want to walk hand
in hand in your neighborhood with your spouse and maybe
a dog. It's that's the dream, right, But bottom line
when this took place from the it couldn't be random because,
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first of all, his wife wasn't hurt. Now she claims
she was attacked, you know, Jennifer Faith claimed she was attacked,
but she wasn't. You've got her husband is seven gunshot wounds,
she's not hurt. So immediately as you look, you're wondering
what was their relationship? Like, what was really going on here?
Jennifer Faith. Immediately after the murder, she's on TV. She's begging,
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please come forward. You know, you've emotionally done all this damage.
And she's crying tears, begging, begging for the murderer to
come forward, like that's what a murderer would do. But
I'm looking over and over at this, Joe, and even
from my limited abilities to understand, it doesn't ring true.
It doesn't ring true at all. First of all, it's
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your fifteenth anniversary. That's symbolic of so many things. The
person who's doing this couldn't have been random. They had
to know your routine, had to know that you guys
go and walk the dog every morning or close to it.
They had another route. You're going to be on end again,
since there were seven shots to the man and none
to the woman. Well, God is feeling there's a target here,
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So all these things coming into play. Joe, you're the
investigator as you come to the scene of the crime,
and you're told by everybody, Hey, they were the all
American couple. He's a good guy, she seems like a
nice lady. What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You look at it in context, and remember my old
fallback statement as a death investigator and the things I say.
We're always viewing the abnormal and context of the normal.
And it's kind of I don't know, Dave, I was
looking at this, and you know, from our generation, I
look at this and I think, you know, this is
kind of a leave it to beaver looking neighborhood. You
don't think that violence like this, and this is a
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certain special level kind of violence that you're talking about,
would take place within this environment. And the targeting is
important and not just and when I say targeting, I
don't just mean where the gunshot ones wound up on
the body. I'm talking about specific targeting of this individual,
because what you've done now is that you have fired
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your weapon into this man's body. And just to back
up a little bit, they're in suburban Dallas where this
has taking place. You're looking at this environment. It's kind
of a risk because you know that there's a potential
that police could be nearby because they're just on patrol.
You would have a patrol officer that would roll up
pretty quickly in this area that covers this beat on
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a regular basis. So you're going to alert neighbors. Which
actually happened, and one of their neighbors down the street,
this lady immediately Jason was looking out and she's on
the phone calling nine one one as this is happening,
because guess what they've seen the perpetrator. This perpetrator is
out in the middle of the street. They see a
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vehicle which is identifiable, and I mean very specifically identifiable, Dave.
There's not a lot of effort to hide anything. It's
not like you've got somebody that's waiting in the bushes
where you can go over. After the fact that you're
doing the investigation, you're going to look for foot prints,
cigarette butts, anything that gave you an idea that this
was some kind of traditional ambush where they're lying in wait.
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It's like they had specific times, so the individual arrives
in a truck. According to the wife, she heard footsteps
behind them, and then all of a sudden, all hell
breaks loose and gunshot ones explode in the air. I
actually listened to the recording one of the Ringkam recordings
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from an adjacent neighbor, and you can hear the succession,
and you know you talked about quickly it's boom boom boom,
and then you hear boom, boom, boom boom like that.
So it's that kind of thing. So you got three,
three and one, and it's you would get the impression
that it's like an individual that is paced and perhaps
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advancing on a target. So as the individual Jamie in
this case is being shot shot initially three times, and
then you move in and after you perhaps have you
knocked him down with those initial blasts, you're going to
shoot three more times, in this particular case, perhaps to
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the head, because those are kill shots, and as a
very tight group, the head is it's the ideal place
to hit somebody. But you have to have such a
level of accuracy to score just a single headshot. In
this case, you're talking about three headshots with a handgun,
which is not necessarily easily accomplished unless you're skilled and practiced.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, that is something they make look real easy in
the movies. And a lot of people have never even
held a pistol. They're amazingly heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
They are. And in this particular case, this is and
I'll go ahead and tell everybody, this is a forty
five caliber handgun. It's a very robust round. Our military
carried them for years and years, and they transition to
nine milimeter. Many police departments carry nine milimeter, and you
it has a higher capacity because the ammunition is a
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bit smaller than forty five cali. Forty five caliber is
very it's a very robust round.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What kind of damage does it did, Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
A tremendous amount. There's some history behind the forty five
caliber round in a sense that came about as a
result of our experiences our military had in the field.
If you've ever seen pictures from and this is post
Civil War, this is when there were actually revolvers, not
you know, like muzzleloading weapons, but officers and NCOs started
carrying pistols. And then toward the turn of the century,
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when you begin to think about the Spanish American War,
they had a lanyard that would attach to a thirty
eight Special, which is a zero point thirty eight round
pistol that they would carry on their side, and there
was a lanyard that went actually from their shoulder their epaulet,
you know, you see the soldiers that have epaulets on
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the shoulders, those little flaps that would attach there and
the cord would run down to the base of the weapon.
And so if they got into a fight and they
dropped their weapon, they wouldn't lose their weapon. That cord
enabled the the weapon to still stay with them even
if they were going hand to hand. The thing about
the thirty eight Special though, that they found out, particularly
when they encountered some of their adversaries. I think in
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Southeast Asia, the thirty eight Special was an ineffective round.
And you hear people talk about this idea of stopping power.
You ever heard that term before days Some people say
it's a fallacy. When you go from a point three
to eight round caliber up to a point four to
five caliber round, it's robust. There is a it's a
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game changer. So you wouldn't have to have say as
many rounds like with a nine millimeter, where you can
have them stacked and you'll have twelve rounds or thirteen,
depend upon a magazine with a forty five caliber round
and traditionally, you know, we went to a nineteen eleven COLT.
Nineteen eleven was the was the weapon our military carried
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for years of forty five caliber. It was a seven
round magazine. But the thing about it is, if you
can put one round on target, you're delivering that energy
from that point four to five round into a body,
and when it hits, it disperses all of that energy, okay,
into the body, and so you'll get much there's a
higher likelihood that you're going to thwart any attack at
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that point in time. In this particular case, in the
case of Jamie's let's just say, at execution in the
middle of the street, this is the weapon that was
chosen in order to end his life, Dave, I know
that Jamie was left dead in the middle of that
street when the sun set on that particular day. There
were so far more questions than there were answers.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
In my broad this is an execution. There is one target.
It's the man, Jamie. The woman is not shot at all,
which I don't understand from the most basic of crime stories.
We know, you've got two people, one's a witness. You
don't leave any witnesses. But this man actually did this,
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or the attacker did it in the morning hours, broad daylight,
in the middle of the street, in a neighborhood where
there are neighbors and surveillance cameras at work, and shoots
seven times and then hops into his pickup truck with
a big tea for the University of Tennessee on the
back window.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, and that's pretty amazing. And I've heard a couple
of different stories. Some people have said that it was
a tee for the Texas Rangers, and I've heard other
people say that it was a tee for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But Joe, as the investigation unfolded, we mentioned earlier this
was on the fifteenth anniversary, walking their dog in the
middle of the street, gunned down in broad daylight. So
the investigation begins with those three people. Two they know,
Jennifer and Jamie, and one they don't, the suspect. They
have some information on the suspect. You know where it
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took place, basic size vehicle he left the scene in,
and the type of gun he used to kill Jamie.
What they don't know is hey, Well, who is it
and why was Jennifer left alone? So as police started
their investigation, they started uncovering a few things and I'm
going to have to skip to this or we're gonna
run out of time. Jennifer reconnected during COVID in twenty
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twenty with a high school boyfriend. I don't think this
is that uncommon. People at that stage of marriage been married.
They call it the seven year itch, and at that
point they've been married seven or eight years. Jennifer connects
with this former boyfriend from high school. People are locked
in for COVID her. The thing is her high school
sweetheart ended up being a killing machine in the military.
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He actually his name is Darren Lopez, and Darren Lopez.
I don't know if the middle name means as much,
but Darren Lopez was an Army veteran Special Forces combat
vet who actually suffered a traumatic brain injury in Rock.
Because of this, Jennifer faith was she was able to
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manipulate him. For want of a better word, she was
able to fill this ex boyfriend with stories of abuse
of how her husband had been abusing her physically, emotionally,
every which way there is to the point where Lopez,
this heroic figure, this Army Special Forces combat veteran, is
convinced that he needs to take out Jamie Faith. That
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he needs is to dispose of Jamie Faith. And Jennifer
makes it worth his while. I'm putting that in air quotes,
offering up money and by the way, offering up a
game plan for this entire thing. She creates fake emails.
But the police can actually unravel all this now. And
I know it's a different part of her, but the
digital forensics that are available to today, Joe, they mirror
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the forensics of the body in the way an investigation
is done. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh, of course they do. They're electronic breadcrumbs, Dave. And
here's one of the amazing things. As the police began
to kind of unwind this story, this tale, Lopez lived
in Tennessee, and they're talking back and forth, Dave. She
had upwards that hold on to your hat. She had
upwards of fourteen thousand that's right, fourteen thousand text messages
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back and forth with this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait a minute, since the time they reconnected, and it
was in March of twenty twenty when they both when
they reconnected during the beginning of COVID fourteen thousand messages.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, I don't see how anyone in the world has
enough time to do that. I hate texting with people,
and that you would devote that much of your life
to it to one single individual back and forth. You know,
it's not like she's shared critical data to try to
I don't know, save someone's life, or that they're communicating
with somebody that's in some kind of situation where they
(26:08):
need to have money, some kind of big financial transaction.
They're conducting business. We're talking about a clandestine quote unquote,
and I will use the air quotes too, romantic relationship.
And I find it interesting that the police use the
term emotional affair in here, so that implies that it
was never physical. This was always done at a great distance.
(26:30):
It's a long ways man.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Six hundred and fifty miles. I looked it up because
I didn't know I had to actually look on the
map and go, well, type it in mileage here, six
hundred fifty miles. And by the way, only seeing pictures
that the person wants you to see, you can really
frame yourself in a certain context that way, by only
allowing yourself to be seen as the other wants you
to be seen.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh yeah, and when you're using language in order to
do this, particularly if you've got a guy that's that's
had his head rattled in battle, he's a disabled now,
that doesn't excuse what he engaged in with her. As
matter of fact, Go ahead and bury the lead here
and say that he's convicted murderer now. But the reality
is this is that she was able to wrangle him
(27:14):
into what essentially boils down for a hitman for higher
case where she's wanting to divest herself of this relationship.
Here's the thing, Dave, what's really tragic about this is
that she went public with the murder of her husband,
this execution pleading started to GoFundMe raised upwards of sixty
(27:38):
thousand dollars, which she gave some of this money to
Lopez to pay off credit cards and to buy items
with and all this sort of stuff. And when you
get down into the guts of this case, it's really
insidious when you think about how Jamie essentially died bleeding
out on that street.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And again three times in the head, three times in
the upper torso, and then one shot to the groin.
And that's the part I get from the very beginning. Joe,
that's the shot that got me. I don't know, it's
just a guy thing, but that has to have a
lot of meaning. When investigators are looking at a married
couple in the morning walking down the street, mass gunman
(28:20):
shoots the man. There was no reason to shoot him
in the groin. It served no purpose in this murder.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
No it didn't. And here's the thing. First off, they
were able to track down Lopez by virtue. Obviously they
had the electronic breadcrumbs. They knew something was up. They
actually did aerial surveillance on Lopez's home in Tennessee. And
you know that script that went out over the air.
He was driving a black Ford four door Nissan Titan.
(28:47):
All right, it's black, and then it's got this big
white tea in the left window. And there's one text
that's where she says to him, you probably ought to
get that tee off of your window as soon as possible.
They knew that something was up, that this was ill planned.
And can you imagine when the authorities determined who they
(29:08):
were dealing with at this point in time, And it
was to the degree that ATF had to send their
Response team out there. It's not like a couple of
ATF agents went out to take this guy into custody.
They sent their SRT team out there. So they're fully
kitted up because they're going into a man's home in
Tennessee that is a Special Forces Operator DAVE, and so
(29:32):
they have this in dwelling fear. Here's what this comes
down to. This guy showed up with a handgun that
was more than sufficient to the task. He shot this
man seven times and these are penetrating gunshot wounds. And
that's essential because the ammunition that was used, and ammunition
(29:53):
fragmented within his body. They perforating. So people hear the
term perforating many times, I might think about perforated paper,
but here like perforating an ulcer, that means kind of
through and through and with If you hear us say perforating,
that means that around actually passes through and out out
of subjects. So the groin shot that he sustained was
(30:16):
a perforating gunshot wound, and it blasted out through his
leg and the groin it entered and blasted out. The
other six gunshot wounds were penetrating Dave and listening to
the forensic pathologist. As she described these injuries to Jamie's head,
the shot grouping was so tight that she had to
go to great links in order to try to understand them.
(30:38):
As a matter of fact, at autopsy, she had to
shave Jamie's head in order to understand what was going
on beneath the hair. Now, there was no soot deposition,
so that means that the person that shot him, Dave
here's the rub shot him at a distance. There was
no soot, There was no gunpowder deposition on his body.
So whoever fired this weapon was highly skilled and knew
(31:02):
what they were doing. M I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
this is body backs
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