Change Your Mind, Change Your Life : Neurolinguistic Programming with Dr. Will Horton

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Unlock the transformative secrets of Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) as Dr. Will Horton, a clinical psychologist and NLP master, joins us to share groundbreaking insights into personal development and mind-body healing. This episode promises to challenge your perceptions, inviting you to explore the 'how' of our brain's operations and the vast potential within hypnosis and NLP. Dr. Horton's seasoned perspective on psychology and addiction treatment offers a compelling narrative on the personalized nature of psychological experiences and the power of visualization in fostering change.

Venture beyond conventional wisdom with us and discover how self-persuasion is the linchpin of personal transformation. Dr. Horton's riveting stories, from earning a black belt to battling addiction, illustrate the profound impact of mastering the art of influencing oneself before attempting to influence others. Learn about the ethical use of NLP and its application across various aspects of life, from strengthening communication to navigating the complex arenas of mass persuasion and dietary manipulation.

Wrap up your listening experience with a dive into the essence of adult relationships and the heightened need for health advocacy in today's medical landscape. Dr. Horton's personal anecdotes and professional expertise converge to paint a vivid picture of self-ownership in healthcare. Through this episode, gain actionable insights on the use of NLP for not just overcoming personal hurdles, but also for rising to excellence in all facets of life, backed by a candid look at the success habits across different socio-economic backgrounds.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Neurolinguistic programming expert, dr Will
Horton, joins me for aconversation today on NLP for
addiction recovery, personaldevelopment and business success
.
Dr Will brings 35 years ofexperience and constant research
to the space of treatingaddictions and understanding
brain science to help othersheal at layers beneath the

(00:21):
conscious mind.
In our conversation we diveinto the use of NLP and
overcoming addictions,cultivating better relationships
, fostering self-awareness andbuilding successful businesses.
So welcome to the podcast, drWill.
Glad to be here it's always funto speak about this stuff.
Yes, yes, it's all good.

(00:41):
So I'm really big into mindbody medicine and just kind of
conveying to people who are on,you know, a more holistic health
journey how the mind and bodyplay together to create both
mental and physical wellnessboth mental and physical

(01:07):
wellness and I know you have alot of experience in this realm,
so I'm very excited to talk toyou today.
So you're an expert insomething called neuro
linguistic programming, or NLPfor short.
Can you kind of describe to uswhat exactly that means?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, it's basically how your brain works, not why.
I'm also a clinicalpsychologist, trained in
cognitive behavioral therapy anda little bit of analytics, and
they talk about the why ofeverything and I believe
sometimes the why is notimportant, it's the what are you

(01:39):
doing and how are you doing it?
And my evidence for that issometimes, you know, people
could be in therapy for yearsand get great insight, but they
don't change.
Insight does not cause change,right, it can give it.
Just you're insightful, youknow.
And in my first clinicalspecialty, which is addictions,

(01:59):
I see people literally drinkthemselves to death or drug
themselves to death, see peopleliterally drink themselves to
death or drug themselves todeath, knowing they're an addict
, and the solution's simple stop.
But they can't right right andso so that and here's a good
example I always give examples,because this sounds weird about
what is how's your brain work isif you, if you think about
somebody you really like a buddy, a pal, a friend not a, not a

(02:20):
lover's, just somebody youreally like if you close your
eyes real quick and just thinkabout somebody you really like a
buddy, a pal, a friend, not alover's pop, just somebody you
really like if you close youreyes real quick and just think
about that person, right,they'll take some kind of
spatial arrangement.
Maybe they're right in front,maybe they're to the left.
You just like this person,great.
Now what I'd like you to do isthink about somebody you dislike

(02:41):
.
They're a whiner, you justdon't like them.
No ill will.
Think about somebody youdislike.
They're a whiner, you justdon't like them.
No ill will.
It's just, I don't like thisperson, right.
And now let this person popinto your mind and it'll be in a
different spot in your mind.
Now it's kind of fun if you tryin vain to grab that person you
dislike and move them to thespot of the person you like and

(03:03):
see what your brain says.
Yeah, right.
Most people brain go no, theydon't deserve it, or they'll
move if it's, and it'll bounceback and and so you know that
it's very I don't want to sayrandom, but it's very customized

(03:29):
to the person.
Okay, and you know psychology,like is trying to follow
medicine where it's like youknow, medicine fits.
You know, if you're five footnine and you weigh 160 pounds,
if I give you 100 milligramsthis, certain things are going
to happen within a tightparameter Great.
But when it comes to this kindof stuff, you make a picture, I

(03:51):
make a sound.
Other people want to smell ortaste something.
It's, it's very variable.
So it's kind of it's more of it, and it's as much of an art as
it is a science.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Sure, sure.
And there's some kind of an artas it is a science Sure, sure.
And there's some kind ofcrossover, or at least
similarities, between NLP andhypnosis too.
So what's the differencebetween the two?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, I like to say hypnosis is one thing and NLP is
like high-tech hypnosis orbasically waking hypnosis you
can get and I clash a lot of myhypnotist friends.
There's no such thing as depthof trance, None, Nada, zilch.
Whatever people say, well, youneed to be in like a certain
level of trance to get paincontrol.
Really.
Really, I just there was afootball game a couple weeks ago

(04:43):
where they one of the guyscompleted the game on a broken
foot.
A broken foot how was heplaying the game?
He blocked the pain.
Women do it all the time assoon as the, if they go into
labor, as soon as the baby'sborn, they don't remember the
physical pain.
Right, it's.
It's a different thing.
It's and you do that with likehallucinations and hypnosis.

(05:05):
They say there's a positivehallucination where you see
something that's not there, andthere's a negative hallucination
where there's something thereand you don't see it.
Well, you need to be in deeptrance bullshit.
If you've ever lost your keysand you can't find them and you
yell at your spouse or somebodyand they where is it?
Where is it?
And they go, they're rightthere.
They're right there.

(05:25):
You were looking at them, youdid not see them.
You were hallucinating, youwere negatively hallucinating.
So, whatever you need, peoplethink you need fancy transform,
you can do wide awake, and sothat's.
They're kind of two sides ofthe same coin.
I will bust myself and say,when I first got into this, the

(05:46):
hypnotist did not like theNLPers and the NLPers did not
like the hypnotist.
It was too.
I mean, this is like in theearly 80s.
It was like, and now it's likethey've kind of now, as you all
know, you go to a conference, orit's kind of co-mingled Right
right.
It took a long time.
Right, it took a long time andit's.
It's pretty much that way,except in the hypnosis subgroup

(06:10):
of regression therapists.
Okay, which I laugh atregression therapy, because if
you really understand how memoryworks, regression makes no
sense.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Okay, Okay, All right .
So with both of those, are we?
Are we trying to tap into thesubconscious mind?
Then Correct?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Or just I like the other than conscious mind,
subconscious, pre-conscious, youknow, and and again, there's no
differentiating line.
It's not like you know thethermal plane, and if you ever
swim and you go beneath thethermal plane and in the lake or
the ocean, you know it's a bigdrop.
Now it kind of it kind ofslides right and it there's,

(06:51):
they're constantly comminglingand like when you said about
mind body, we just had awonderful example of this, uh,
with the covid stuff, and Idon't care what you believe
either way, right, but clinicalmedicine acted like all we got
to do is fix the body, lock downeverything.

(07:11):
Lock down everything.
Why are the're acting like?
Just keep the body alive.
And the you know, it's like theclinical medicine still has a
tendency to think it's twodifferent things.
Right, right, and they'reintegrated yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, and I you know, I've seen the statistics that
it takes 20 years for newmedical breakthroughs to really
become part of the mainstream.
And I kind of feel like,particularly in the mind body
realm we are, we're at thebeginning of that where more
people in conventional medicineare kind of gradually making

(07:57):
their way back in.
This is none of this is new,where, I mean, we're basically
talking about taking ancienttechnology but applying, you
know, modern, modern science toit so we understand it better oh
yeah, and, and there you know,I just was talking to somebody
and I don't know our diets cameup because I'm getting ready for

(08:18):
a film.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
My other thing is I act and they're like wow, you
know, you look like you lostweight, you're muscling up, what
are you doing?
I said, well, this, this andthis, and I, you know, you look
like you lost weight, you'remuscling up, what are you doing?
I said, well, this, this andthis.
And I said you know, and I eatlike four to five eggs at least
every day, or if not every otherday.
And they're like that will killyou what.
Where does this come fromExactly?
Well, I know that's beendisproven over 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
And yet the myth continues, and we could probably
go on a longer rant about, um,you know the commercial
campaigns from the 80s and 90sthat programmed people to think
that fat was dangerous and eggswere bad for you and how that
goes into your subconscious.
My favorite is took the skillet.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
This is your brain and it shows an egg busted.
This is your brain.
On drugs, they show us eggfrying and I, I go that that
commercial worked for me.
They go oh, did you quit usingdrugs?
No, I quit eating eggs.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Right Didn't have quite the right effect to it, so
, oh gosh.
So so, in terms ofneuro-linguistic programming
specifically, what are the toolsthat make it effective
linguistic?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
programming.
Specifically, what are thetools that make it effective?
Well, it uses the best of thehypnosis world and somewhat of
like cognitive behavioraltherapy and puts them together
without challenging what's goingon in someone's mind, right?
It's like it doesn't put up thesame defense mechanisms.
If you're doing insight therapyor sometimes even hypnosis,
You're just telling people, movepictures in your mind, see what

(09:48):
happens, do this change somesounds, you know, and figure out
what really motivates you, Notwhat you think would motivate
you, what really motivates you.
And once you get into thatstuff, that's why NLP seems to
be so effective for most things.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's why NLP seems to be so effective for most
things.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Okay, okay and so there is a lot of visualization
involved in the process.
Well, yeah, you could, yeah,yeah, visualization, but it
could be.
And again people think, oh, Ican't visualize, excuse me,
that's because they confuse avisualization with a Steven
Spellberg movie.
Right and no, you may not beavatar in there, it's just it's
kind of a.

(10:30):
The big thing and I like it fromthe clinical psychology world
is the current buzzword is feltsense.
It's a felt sense.
It may be a picture, maybe asound maybe, but it's kind of
you just kind of feel it.
There's a sense of it, right,and so that I give clinical
psych very good credit.
I go, this makes sense.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, all right.
So we are using, utilizing thesenses of the body in order to
tap into the mind bodyconnection, kind of thing.
Okay, all right, that makes alot of sense.
So now, you mentioned earlierthat you have a background in
helping to treat addictions.
How can NLP help with that?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well and again it gets to.
How do you keep doing the samethings over and over again?
What?
got me hooked in this is a quickstory is I first was exposed to
hypnosis in high school.
There was a book it's still inprint called Hypnosis for Change
by, I think, the's.
The name is hadley right andgreat little book.
It's a.
It's good little book, by theway, but it talks a little bit

(11:33):
about hypnosis.
Then it gives a script like arelaxation script and a couple
other things, and so I read itin high school and I hypnotized
a couple people right as ajunior high school, scared the
shit out me, scared the crap outof me, because it worked.
Right, right and.
But you know I wasn't.
The only thing I cared about inhigh school was drinking beer,
playing football and runningaround.

(11:55):
To be honest with you, it's whyI went in the army after high
school and.
But I did start makingself-hypnosis tapes I can't even
say cassettes, because thisgoes back a long time Even
further so I was listening to it, so it was always in my mind.
Then I did have an addiction.
It runs in my family, my mom'sside of the family, and I
believe addictions is geneticpart of it.

(12:16):
And it cost me the militarycareer where I was going to
become a pilot and go to WestPoint, a couple other things,
and then when I got out of thearmy I just decided to be an
actor, something else I alwayswanted to do and I started doing
that, was doing pretty well,and an addiction kind of
sidetracked that.
So once I started to seek help,went through treatment,

(12:38):
traditional treatment, therapy,12 steps, all this and I always
liked it, but I couldn't quitdrinking.
And then I was exposed to someof these NLP or hypnosis
techniques, you know, andeverything made sense.
It's just like suddenly it waslike, oh, this is what the 12
step program means and how itshould work, this is what

(13:01):
they're trying to do in therapy.
And so then I my life startedto change.
I became a volunteer, became analcohol and drug counselor and
because I still had governmentmoney from the va.
After my three years in thearmy I uh I went back to school
and got my degree in uh mastersin psych in my doctorate and I

(13:25):
I've been following it eversince right and so but with
addictions it's the same thing.
You know, I was alwaysfascinated with.
Why would like people come inand, you know, sound like
psychologists if you get thesame demographic, same age, same
socioeconomic background,things like that.
And you got like five people,let's say, five men between 35

(13:47):
and 40 um, pretty much the samebackground, yeah, and they go
into, whether it's treatment orthe 12th step, and three of them
make it, two of them don't makeit, and you go back.
They're doing the same thing.
They're going to their aameetings or they're going to
their therapy.
Why do some people make it andother people don't?
And it's like there's no rhymeor reason, you know, and it's

(14:10):
like so what's going ondifferent in the people that
gets it, yeah, versus those thatdon't, and this is this
translates into weight loss orpersonal development or anything
.
You know.
Why do some do and some not?
So that you know, and what itseems to do is help speed up

(14:31):
making that transition in yourhead.
Where you can, you know, uh,take it from thinking about it
into acting upon it.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay all right, all right.
You also have a background inmartial arts black belt and
karate correct?
Yes, ma'am, yes, so how doesthat tie in with sort of the art
of exploring mind-body healingmodalities?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
it's kind of cool.
Um, you know, I again like alot I took.
I took karate in high schooland then, of course, the
military we there were someself-defense and I and some
other stuff.
But then as an adult I actuallygot back into it heavy because
my daughter was little andwanted to take karate.
So I started taking it rightand basically only stopped a
couple years ago when I tore myachilles tendon.
Uh, and you know the easternphilosophy of you know, um, I

(15:34):
think it's called zhan chen.
Thought, no, thought, that'sthe ultimate thing of martial
arts.
It's like you're not thinking,you're just there right and when
you watch somebody that canreally do it uh, a bruce lee and
all you gotta do is youtube itand there's a bunch and it's
like and the movements seemeffortless and it's not.

(15:55):
It's.
It's not camera tricks.
When you watch this stuff workin action, it's like you know,
it's like these people.
You learn how to calm your mindright and again it's.
You know the true art ofshotokan karate my first or my
second reiku kimpo would talkabout.
It's not about beating others,it's about beating yourself,

(16:19):
it's about taking mastery ofyourself, right, right.
And you really run into thesemartial artists.
Been doing it their whole lifeand they're deadly and they'll
never use it, they'll just walkaway, right, because true mercy
is no one I could kill you, butit's like I'm just gonna get my
car and drive away, right?
it's like so so yeah, and I'veused the nlp and the hypnosis

(16:42):
techniques, um in the martialarts world to keep me focused.
And again, same thing.
Why do some people here's aninteresting aside why is it?
I see this over and over againand I'll I'll tie it into
another thing, but like I seepeople take karate three, four,
five years, they're really intoit and they can't wait.
They get their black belt, theypass the test and, in the style

(17:05):
I was in, usually that meanstheir blood their knuckles are
bloody into it.
Right, they probably got ablack eye or something and they
get their black belt and thenthey quit, you know, and it's
like right, what, what happened?
Well, same thing.
You see how many people arelike three credits shy of
getting their bachelor's degreeor their master's degree or

(17:27):
their doctorate?
They're this close.
I just talk to somebody.
All they got to do is go defendtheir dissertation, right,
they'll get their doctorate, andit's like, what's stopping you?
Well, I'm like actually, youknow, most of the people sitting
on those dissertationcommittees want you to succeed.
They don't want to mess you up,right, but anyway.

(17:49):
So again, it's that whatmotivates people.
Versus that, and again that one, I think what begins to happen
is the idea of once I put thatblack belt on, I'm supposed to
be different and then you'rereally not.
Yeah, right.
Or like once I got my doctoratein psychology and then I
actually passed the boards andthe all the tests I had to take

(18:11):
to get my doctor.
I'm a licensed clinicalpsychologist, Right, Right.
Right and sometimes somehow youthink it should be different.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Right.
And it's kind of the differencebetween going through the
motions of something versusdoing the actual inner
engineering of what it takes tomake that transformation.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And, as our dear friend Tony Robbins would say,
do you have a goal?
After your goal, you get yourblack belt.
What are you going to do withit?
Are you going to keep studying?
Or was that your goal?
You got it.
You're done right.
I've seen people do it whenthey sabotage your business.
My goal is to build a business.
They build a business.
I've done this by the way.
And then it's like, but Ididn't.

(18:50):
What was your goal after youbuilt your business?
Right?
And of course in the businessworld they'd say well, you build
your business to sell it, yeah,that's your goal.
Well, no, they were built, Ibuilt it and then it just like
it wasn't what I thought itwould be.
It's that never ending thingthat people get into.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So right right, nice, um, all right.
Well, we're gonna kind of diveinto using um, nlp, uh, for the
art of persuasion.
So tell me little bit more.
I know you've got a programcoming up with this.
How can we use neuro-linguisticprogramming to help persuade

(19:33):
people to do what we want themto do?
I?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
always say you know?
People say what is this really?
I say well, it's the art andscience of getting other people
to do what you want and havethem think it was their idea and
they go.
That's manipulation,everything's manipulation.
We just went through anelection cycle here in America,
if that's not blatantmanipulation on both sides, you
know burning us like.

(19:57):
It's not very well done most ofthe time, but still, everything
is communication and persuasion.
If you're a parent, you're inbusiness, if you're a therapist,
you're always doing that right.
But what I've really started tobeat people up on and it took
me a while to really begin to dothis is it starts with
self-persuasion, self-influence.

(20:18):
Can you influence yourself tomake the changes that you want
right?
And we see that a lot in thetherapeutic community.
I won't just pick on hypnotistshere, but I'll pick on the
whole therapeutic community.
You'll go to a conference,whether it's hypnosis conference
, nlp conference or a psychconference, and you walk around
going okay, these are the peopleI'm supposed to take advice

(20:42):
from, right?
Cause they can't and then theycan't influence themselves.
So what do you?
You have to.
All influence starts withself-influence, kind of like in
the hypnosis world they say allhypnosis is self-hypnosis.
Right, and it's true.
All persuasion starts withyourself.
Can you motivate yourself to dothe things you don't want to do

(21:03):
, whether it's exercise, diet,business, whatever it is right,
yeah, so you have to begin tofigure out what motivates you,
because if you don't, even ifyou go, take the fanciest
classes out there and persuasionand influence and you know any
of them, you know up to the knowthe Tony Robbins mastery
seminars, right, right, if youcan't influence yourself, you're

(21:31):
going to be an ineffectiveinfluencer or persuader to other
people.
Right, and I think it alsostarts if, deep inside you know
it's like why can't I stopsmoking, lose weight, do my
exercise?
Even though you learn thesetricks and maybe you can help
other people, it starts the ideaof you feel like a, a fraud.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Like the imposter syndrome.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, it's like and that's why you see people like
self-destruct.
You know they don't have thatthing, so I'll persuade.
So you know what motivates youto do certain things.
Is it again?
Is it a?
Is it a picture in your head ifyou're working toward a goal?
Is it a sound?
Is it a feeling?
Right?
What really motivates you?

(22:13):
You know not what.
What you could go on.
I just say google it, right, goon youtube.
But what motivates you may boreme to tears right what's this
music?
it's gonna motivate you?
No, this music is gonna get meto want to rip the the the radio
out of the car.
It's not gonna motivate me,right, whatever it is.

(22:33):
So, but maybe a picture willmotivate you.
You know, maybe it's a, youknow it, it's a feeling, right?
Um, and so that you know, firstyou have to pick some things if
you're going to really master.
This is what some areas in mylife I need to persuade myself,

(22:54):
right, and then it kind of opensup oh, this is what works.
This is what doesn't work forme May not work for other people
, but then it becomes more funto figure out what will motivate
you to do whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Right, right, definitely so, once we've
mastered um self-motivation, ifwe can get that far um you know,
are we talking about um usingNLP, uh, to persuade people,
almost as a form of creatingbetter communication yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, it's to get.
Yeah, get people on the samewavelength to uh, help influence
them to do the things that you,you think they should do.
There's no other way for it.
And people then it gets toophilosophical.
Well, do you?
Really?
I don't know if you're comingto me and and wanting me to give
you four sessions to dosomething?

(23:45):
You're paying me to influenceyou.
That's the end of the story.
Right, it's that's what you'redoing, right?
Right, you go to the doctor.
It's what I, you know, but can,can you do that?
You know, and I remember acouple of years ago I did a
seminar at a doctor's office.
It was about communication andit was really about getting

(24:06):
people to complete the regimen,that they like, the drugs that
they're going to give you around of antibiotics.
I think the research says mostpeople never take the full 10
days.
And that's kind of what happenedduring this last I won't even
say COVID, the last flu epidemicis people would get on a
regimen, start getting betterand go I feel better, I'm going
to quit taking this, right.

(24:27):
And then you get the reboundeffect, Right.
And so they wanted to know whatcan, what can motivate people
to?
To complete whatever it is thedoctor is recommending yeah, and
it was like it is the doctor isrecommending yeah and it was

(24:49):
like.
Well, first of all, and most ofthem would use logic and I say
logic sucks, logic doesn't takeaction right.
What really motivates you right?
Yeah and and so then theystarted playing with it and we
we did a little training andthen came back in in a couple
weeks I said what'd you guysfind One of the nurses or
physician?
Whatever she was worked with,the doctor goes well if I knew

(25:10):
that the person had kidsrelatively young kids I just
look them in the eye and go well, you might want to complete
taking all of these or you know,your kids might be raised by
someone else.
Yeah, that might be motivating,yeah, yeah, it's like what do
you mean?
Well, this shit could kill you,as we, you know, and whatever

(25:31):
it was, whether it's COVID orwhatever it is you need to do
this, right, yeah?
Or getting people to follow upon the test.
I need you to go schedule atest and they go.
Well, I told you this beforeyou're not doing it.
Well, you know, I just, youknow, hope you're if it's a
woman, you know, I hope yourhusband picks a good stepmom,
you know or if it's a guy, youknow, I hope your wife marries a

(25:53):
guy that can, like, help raiseyour kids, right, right.
Right, it sounds kind of brutal,but it got people to take the
action right.
Right, they were using logic,the facts and the figures and
this and that.
Right, and all you have to doto believe this, or if you don't
believe me, is just when you'rewatching television, because
America, and I think New Zealand, is the only countries on the

(26:13):
face of the earth that allowspharmaceutical advertisements.
Right, it's like it scares thecrap out of you when you're
watching this.
Right.
And then it goes through andthen like then, now you'll be
happy and dancing and that thatright is.
They're accessing differentparts of your mind fear and then
like, oh, I'll be happy now,right, yep, right and then the

(26:37):
way they bury the old sideeffects.
You know runny stools, you knowheart attacks, death.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Right, right, the stuff they have to disclaim,
yeah, wow Are in terms of, like,the art of persuasion, do we?
You know, you just mentionedthe pharmaceutical companies are
government agencies and, likeintelligence services using NLP,
potentially for not goodpurposes.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
why wouldn't that?
Yeah, yeah, well, and you sawit during this, during the
epidemic, the whatever it waspandemic, um, and what's kind of
interesting, when you, when itstarted, right, you it broke
into two camps, right, and itwas like they were like
diametrically opposed and itreally did not follow whether
you're a Democrat, republican,conservative or liberal Right

(27:28):
right.
I think it based on this Ifyou're an adult, when was the
last time someone took totalcontrol of where you could go,
what you could do, who you couldtalk to?
It's when you were anadolescent, right.
And if you were generally thegood girl, the good boy, I

(27:50):
always follow instructions.
I'm going to trust the science.
I'm not going to do this, right.
And it's like those people fellover here.
And if it was the other side,it's like screw you, I'm going
to do what I want.
You're not going to tell me, totell me what to do, right.
And so those clashed Right, andthe government took the
approach of Of that, right, I'mtrying to get you to comply with

(28:16):
it.
And again, I think it firststarted.
It was pretty good with thescare tactics, right, because
fear gets you to take action,right.
But then they dropped intologic, right.
And then they were making somestupid statements.
Yeah, I will never back off ontrust the science, right.
Right?

(28:36):
Do you understand how scienceworks?
science is about challengingeverything right right you know
exactly we still be sitting hererealizing that the sun revolves
around the earth.
You know, right, but no, it'slike challenge everything but
you can't challenge this, right,right?
So again, and I think what wesaw is they put us in mass

(28:59):
hypnosis with fear, right, andthen it was a gradual process
for a lot of people that startedto bring them out right, and
now they're worried.
Oh my god, there's going to bethese different variants and
most people are going like yeah,even people I know that were
like, really like, into like ohmy god, I need to.
They're like no, I'm not gettinganother injection, I'm done you

(29:21):
know, it's like right, so it'slike, so it, and that was a
hypnotic process.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
That's in action and I I think, I had heard um, I
think was it dr robert malonewho used the term mass formation
psychosis during that of justhow, as a collective whole,
people were under this trance,if you will oh, yeah, yeah well,
and you know we do it duringwar.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
If you just go back to world war ii, you know your
enemy has to be subhuman,horrible animals right right.
You can't think of the guy yougot to shoot, that he's a.
He's just a guy that's in theunit.
He's got a wife and a kid athome.
He's just trying to make itthrough.
You can't.
If you think that way, you'renot.

(30:07):
You're.
You know it's like you may notpull the trigger right, so you
have to.
And again it's mass inductioninto what?
What's going on?
And again.
We act like this stuff doesn'tgo on.
It's been going on for foreverright.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, you know Right .
And certainly the role of media.
We could do a whole otherepisode just on the evolution of
media and how that ties in withNLP and hypnosis for sure, but
that'll be, that'll be anotherepisode.
But so, in terms of like, usingNLP and persuasion, you know

(30:47):
how.
How do we use that to createbetter relationships with people
?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, one is again a default to get in a good
relationship with yourself,right, do some motivation and
get you to take some action.
And then, if I know how youthink, if I know you make
pictures, right, yeah, and thenI need to use visual terms.

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Speaker 2 (33:04):
I need to say this is what we'll see.
This is what it'll look like.
You know, when you follow this,this is how, this is what will
be on the horizon, and you'llunderstand that, as opposed to
if you were a feeling person.
If I'm talking about, this iswhat you'll see.
This is your brain is done.
It's not even tracking thatinformation, but if you flip

(33:24):
your communication to look uh,jen, this is what you'll feel
and this is how good you'll feelwhen you, when you realize the
people around you are feelingthis way, right, and and then
you know all you have to do isdo this and the feelings will
come.
So you have to figure out whatreally motivates people.
Is it what they see, what theyhear, what they feel?

(33:44):
Those are the primary three.
It's a very simplistic term and, again, like a lot of things,
people.
Yeah, yeah, I know that.
Well, I've been talking for 20minutes.
You're not doing it right.
You know.
There's a reason to tie back tomartial arts.
Right, there's a reason.
When you go to us.
I used to go to these seminarsin Reading Pennsylvania, reading
Pennsylvania, and everybodythere was black.

(34:06):
Most of them were school ownersor fighters.
And yet every day, the Fridaynight, saturday morning, sunday
morning, the first hour Was allbasics how to do a front kick,
how to do a back fist.
It's like some of these peoplebeen doing this since they were

(34:26):
this tall.
Yeah, why are you working onthe front kick?
You know, same likeprofessional sports.
There's a reason why, like uhtom brady or or these elite at
you know, when the season's over, they go back and practice
throwing a football.
For God's sakes, they're thebest that's ever done it.

(34:47):
Right.
They're like no, no, it's thelittle thing, it's the little
things you forget to do.
Yeah, Right, and I think it'strue, for you know, in
communications, because you'regoing to default to how you
communicate.
And I can bust myself.
I will always bust myself.
My wife is much more visual,I'm much more kinesthetic, and
she's always yelling at me no,no, show me what you're talking

(35:10):
about.
Right, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I need to see it.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't want to hear it and you know, and so I you
know and it's like okay, note toself, you know, so you got to
practice this stuff, right,right yourself, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
So you got to practice this stuff, right.
Right is that part of it, too,is like learning what how the
other person perceives things,whether they're visual or
auditory or kinesthetic orwhatever oh yeah, and it's a,
it's a, it's a conscious effort,right, and you have to practice
it.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
And the other analogy I beat up.
If you're ever getting on aplane and you're going to fly
somewhere, if you glance, ifthey haven't locked the door yet
, if you glance in the cockpit,what are the pilots doing?
Right, right, the pilots aregoing down a checklist.
They have 10,000 hours in thein the air in that plane, plane.

(36:02):
Why aren't they going down achecklist?
Because it's the shit youforget that will kill you.
Right, right, it's like, andthey double check each other and
they don't get offended by it.
You know, suddenly hypnotistsand therapists are like oh, you
know, they get offended if youpoint out something that they're
not doing.

(36:22):
It's like well, you know, I'drather my pilot or co-pilot
point out I forgot to you know,put the landing gear down before
coming in for a landing.
You know it's like, but we alldo that I'm guilty of it,
everybody is.
Right, right.
And my wife certainly said thathundreds of times I'm always.

(36:44):
Really, if you're going to hireme as your personal coach, it's
always good right before Iteach a class or right after I
teach a class, Cause then I'm inlike that mode of, like you
know, running the checklist inmy head and that cause it's easy
to get lazy.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Right, right, definitely.
Why does our frame of mindmatter so much um for for health
and living happy and connectedlives with others?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
well, you know it's.
It all goes back to the part ofyour brain called your
reticular activating system,right, and that's part of your
brain that is constantly lookingfor something that would kill
you.
That that's its first job.
Then it looks for food Right,and then it looks for a mate.

(37:32):
Yeah, that's it.
And people act like when Iteach that there's higher things
.
No, at the sub level.
If you're not protected from apredator, if you're not eating
and you're not procreating, yourgene pool's dead.
Yeah, right.
So this is just running rightnow.
We don't have the threats thatwe used to have lions, tigers,
bears, warring tribes like weused to.
So your brain has co-opted thatto do other things and so it'll

(37:56):
find what you tell is important.
I always beat up the ideabecause I'm a guy.
If you ever want a new car andyou don't know what kind of car
you want yet and then you decideI'm going to buy this, right,
it's been about a year now.
I bought a Jeep.
What the hell did I buy?
It's called a Jeep Renegade.
It's a blue-green thing.

(38:17):
They call it bikini blue.
I think I bought it because Icould tell people see, I look
good in a bikini.
But I liked the car.
Suddenly I just said I think Iwant that car.
Then I saw that car everywherethe day before.
I wouldn't have noticed it.
But the minute I told my brainthis is important, find it for
me Right, right.
Then my brain and goes and doesit same with, like, whatever

(38:40):
kind of person you findattractive, you know.
Whether you're on the market ornot, it's irrelevant.
That's the person you willnotice in a room.
Right, just the way your brainworks.
The kind of food you like, yourbrain will find it right, great
.
Now if you want a betterlifestyle, better, healthy thing
, you know you need to trainthat part of your brain to look
for reasons to stay healthy.

(39:01):
Right, look for reasons toexercise, not exercise uh-huh
right and you know, and it couldbe as ludicrous as I remember
when I was running my clinic andpeople go well, you know, I
know I'm gonna gain some weight.
I'm going on a cruise.
Everybody knows you can'texercise on a cruise excuse me
right they have gyms on thesegoddamn ships right right and

(39:24):
and it's like they're lookingfor reasons not to right and so
you know.
So you got to train your brainto look for what my birds, my
cats, everybody's parking, uh,but you know the, the, the.
You got to train your brain tofind things like in health,
vitality.
And I would always say you needto surround yourself with a

(39:47):
group of people that think thesame way.
Yes, right, yeah, right.
And because that tribementality you know, they've
known for years, if I know thefive people you hang out with
and I find out their net worth,you're within a parameter of
those five people.
Right and again, if you did thetrue statistic and you throw
out, if there's one rich guy andone poor guy and take the

(40:09):
middle, you're, you're probablyin there.
So if you want to be rich, hangout with rich people.
If you want to be in shape,hang out with in shape people,
right, people that are finding away to go to the gym, right,
you know.
And and again, that's what thewhole addiction world's about
people that don't like the12-step program, I go.
Yeah, heaven forbid.
You hang out with a tribe,right, the people that are

(40:30):
like-minded.
Excuse me, aren't you going tomass?
You know?
They go, yeah, I go.
Well, there's, there's a mosqueright there, you could.
You could go to the muslimthing.
No, no, we all want our tribe,so hang out with people like
that.
So if you want health vitality,you need to find the people
that think that way.
Who?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
share the same values .
Yeah, so can NLP.
It kind of sounds like be agood tool for just even creating
self-awareness.
I think so many people areliving very unconscious lives
and not even paying attention totheir behaviors and their
motivations.
Is this a tool to help thembecome more aware of that?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh yeah, it's it, it, it.
It speeds up.
You know the whole big thing.
Now they're acting like it'snew.
This mindfulness thing, right,right.
Be aware of what you're doing,right.
Whether it's driving your caror eating your meal.
If you're aware of it, it makesit more conscious, right.

(41:29):
But your brain's built to dothings subconsciously.
It wants to make things habitswhere you don't have to think
about it, right, right.
I had this truck and the gearshift was one of these.
It was right here on the dash.
You click, click and okay, fine, I got used to it, right.
And then I remember I drovethat truck for a while,

(41:52):
especially during the pandemic,when I wasn't going a lot of
places.
Then I went somewhere andrented a car and I'm sitting in
the car and I couldn't get thecar to move and I kept turning
up the radio or turning up theheater or the air conditioner
because I'm like I'm trying tofind that knob and I'm like, oh
wait, a minute, it was the oldfashioned had the shifter down

(42:15):
here.
Right, I was in subconsciousmode, right, right, and I had,
and I was getting angry, whichmakes it worse.
Right, and what do thehypnotists call it?
The law of reverse effect.
The harder you try, the harderit becomes.
So I had to take a deep breath,become aware, like, wait a
minute, I'm not in my Ram 1500rebel with the big wheels, I'm

(42:37):
in this little rental car, right.
Oh yeah, there's the shit.
There's the shifter, put it indrive, and I'm just driving
along.
I was one step away from goingin there and embarrassing myself
.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
The car won't move, right, right, oh, my goodness.
Yeah, you, you talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
These seven power words Are you allowed to tell us
what they are?
Or is that like a top secret?
No, no, I'll give a few.
Well, a lot of them are basedin emotions, okay, you know, and
they're not really power words.
But like, first would be likevisual, auditory kinesthetic If
I need to know which is moreimpactful for you, so you could
place it, like we said, in avisual frame and an auditory

(43:22):
frame or a kinesthetic that'sgoing to motivate it.
And if you, then the next powerwords are usually emotionally
based, right, fear, uh, fear isa big one.
We act like it's not.
One of the most powerful wordsyou can use is regret, right,
especially if you're talking, I,I would say older adult, no,

(43:45):
anybody, because it's the thingsyou don't do you regret the
most, right, right, whether it'slike and I, I just saw the
power of this talk to somebody,and they were young, you know,
just getting out of high school.
They said you know what Iregret?
I'm like what the hell you're18, what the hell you got to
regret yet you know you're not.
You're not in rehab or jail, soyou know they go like you know,

(44:07):
I really should have tried outfor the football team, because
now I'm looking back going.
They were getting ready tograduate and they're like um.
I could I have made it right andthey'll never know.
So they have that regret, right?
It's the things you don't doyou regret the most.
Now you think about the powerof that if you're going to

(44:29):
motivate somebody.
You know, hey, I, I've got thisclass coming up right on, uh,
secrets of subconsciouscommunication, secret psychology
of persuasion, right, uh, and Idon't want you to regret that
you don't learn this info now,right, because have you ever
like skip something?
Then learn it later.
And your biggest thing is Ishould have learned this young,
you know, when I was younger.

(44:50):
Yeah, Now, that's like ahypnotic phrase, because you're
tapping into something that's awhat they would call a universal
experience, the feeling ofregret, and tagging it to what I
want you to do Take the classnow, right, right.
And tagging it to what I wantyou to do take the class now,
right, right, and it's much morelikely to get someone.
And then again, if I know yourvisuals, you know I don't want

(45:10):
you to look into the future andrealize that, you see, today is
the day you didn't do thatactivity that would have changed
your life.
Right, right, you know.
And so then it like motivatespeople.
So it's a visual, auditory,kinesthetic power, words that
tap into emotions, yeah, youknow.
Fear, love, jealousy, you know,are you tired of being the only

(45:34):
fat person in your group?
And, yeah, and I, my wife waslike, why do you talk like that?
Because it works, right.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I talk like that.
You know right, you know vanity.
If I could tap into your vanity.
People talk about health.
Health is a horrible reason tochange by the way I say that all
the time.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
You know, I think you know we come up with all these.
You know different ailmentsthat are causing people to have
cancer and heart disease anddiabetes and what have you.
But I think if peopleunderstood, like the origins of
you, know why they can't loseweight, or you know why their

(46:14):
sex drive is tanked, or or orwhy they're aging prematurely,
like that seems to be much moremotivating for people than like,
oh, I might get cancer in 10years because of my lifestyle
habits.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Any doctor will tell you everybody's motivated.
My friend, dr Dave, will saythis when they're strapped to a
gurney with an IV dripping intheir arm and they're in a heart
monitor off, they're going tochange your life, brother.
They're going to stop smoking,get quit eating crap and start
exercise.
Two weeks later change smokingcigarettes or eating a burger

(46:48):
king thing and you know, it'sjust a, you know, but vanity
will motivate people.
You know, hey, do you want tomake all your friends jealous?
Let me show you how to loseweight now.
Right you?
So you'll be the hot mom or thehot dad you know, Right, yeah,
and I just did that.

(47:09):
Somebody were talking.
I'm like man, maybe you're the,you know you're not.
Well, they were talking to meand they go yeah, you stay in
shape, I go.
That's because I'm vain.
I will admit it.
I do not want a dad bod.
I don't like dad bod.
And if you fall into this crapthinking women think that's
attractive, yeah, right, right.

(47:29):
You know.
You know there's a reason why.
Like all the guys in I knowit's bullshit, but all the guys
in the world's sexiest men list,there are no dad bods in that
list.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Ladies and gentlemen, I think chris evans made it
this year.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
He's yeah yeah, and always in the top 10 there's
like, you know, uh, chris evans,the guy that plays thor, you
know the rock, I mean you godown that list.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
It's like there's no dad bods in that no, and I mean
back to, like you know,understanding how our brains.
There's a reason that we arepre-programmed to find healthy
bodies attractive, and I'm nottrying to be like mean or

(48:17):
dismissive of people who maybedon't fall into certain
categories of physique, butwe're pretty wired to want to
pass our genes on and, you know,share genetic information with
somebody who would be healthy,and that usually means
attractive to um and and fit andso forth.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's like there's a.
There's a mathematical formula.
It's hip.
For men, the shoulder hip ratioit's a slight V.
It's like there's amathematical formula.
It's hip.
For men, the shoulder-hip ratioit's a slight V.
It's not like the rock or likethat.
That's a little bit much.
But subconsciously you're likethis person will be a good
hunter or protector, you know.
And the same with men.
No guy, no straight guy, I know, finds most of the supermodels

(49:03):
attractive.
Yeah.
They're like, yeah, no.
And then when you see theactresses, like scarlett
johansson, it's like they got ashape.
They like you know, it's like,yeah, that would be.
And like you say, this is notpolitically woke.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I guess we could say to say it's like yeah, that
looks like someone that couldcarry the jeans on right and I
think we've, you know, in thethe realms of popular culture.
We've, you know, and I'll justsay I really do enjoy myself a
good hunter.
But in the realms of popularculture we've kind of gone from
one extreme to another, you know, and I'm a I'm a big follower

(49:42):
of Eastern philosophy and likeTaoism and so forth, which
really is just about gravitatingto balance.
Where we went from, you know,that early 90s twiggy, like
overly thin woman who's probablynot even menstruating anymore.
She's so thin to now like theglorification of obesity, you
know, rather than just seeking a, you know, a balanced, healthy

(50:07):
body, which is really what Ithink is most attractive about
either sex.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And again, this operates at thesubconscious level.
It's genetic, it is in your DNA.
We forget.
You know we act like a lot ofyour stuff's not genetically
pre-pro, just like the foodindustry.
If you want to get into thatcool stuff yeah, right you know
how to tap into the geneticpredisposition to want salt

(50:34):
sugar fat.
Yeah, sugar fat, right, andthey'll just load you up on it.
And then why are we?
Why is everybody obese?
Go back and read salt sugar fat.
Look at the studies that wereand they're, and are they doing
this on purpose.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yes, it's cool.
Yeah, oh, totally I.
And I don't think most peoplerealize they.
You know, in the realm of foodengineering they put sugar into
things that aren't even sweet,where you don't even perceive it
, just to tap into youraddiction and at a at a brain
level, so you want it more, sowe create that addiction.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
yeah, because you go back 300 years.
You wanted high fat, highcaloric food.
You know and healthy fats, andso we're getting yeah so you
know you needed that to stayalive, right, right, yeah and uh
, you know, because they said,like what is it like?
On some of the slave shipscoming over, they lost, like

(51:36):
what was it?
A third of the slaves on thetrips.
Right, they were just theywould die, they'd throw them
overboard.
Not just because they weren'tgiving them the salt they needed
, they were literallydehydrating and dying.
You know, right, and like, wow,this stuff is in in us yeah,

(51:56):
it's, it's programmed and, butit's not woke to talk about it
right right

Speaker 1 (52:01):
no um, yeah, but I think there's so much to be said
about just understanding ourbiology and physiology and where
we can tap into this mind, bodystuff to understand it at a
conscious awareness level so wecan lead more happy, healthy,
connected, vibrant, vital lives.
But that requires a certainlevel of self-awareness that I

(52:26):
think so many people in popularmodern culture have just gone on
autopilot and don't questionhow it's been suggested we live,
which is part of why I thinkNLP is really good, a really
good tool, and I'll just kind ofshare.
So I took your, your beginnerclass and beginner certification

(52:49):
class.
So you, you both practice andhelp people you know doing
therapeutic sessions, but youalso teach um and certify others
who want to learn to do whatyou do.
Um.
And specifically since we're onthe on the subject of food, one
of our exercises what was?
Myself and my partner had topick something, some kind of

(53:11):
food, that we didn't feel likewas a good habit, and then walk
each other through the NLPprocess of sort of deprogramming
our mind from craving that foodall the time.
And I picked chocolate,although I think I was like too
specific in the visualizationthat we went through for this,

(53:32):
because I picked a very specificbrand of chocolate and style
and I have never I mean this wasseveral years ago I've never
touched it again.
I still eat chocolate, but justnot that brand.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, so it did work, but immediately too, like I had
been eating it a lot and I Inever touched it again yeah, I
do that at those things and andI and I, I tell people like I
like to teach that right beforelunch, especially somebody I'm
gonna give up fries.
They say, try to eat a fry, andthey come back oh, I couldn't

(54:04):
eat it.
Yeah, I'm like that's how yourbrain.
Now you could flip your brainback, it's still your brain.
It's like the old.
I always look for naturalphenomenon.
They always say if you want togive up the food, work where
they make it.
You will never eat it again whenI went in the army, I was the

(54:26):
only guy in the army for twoyears that wouldn't eat pizza,
because I worked in a pizzaplace.
Yeah, we'd pick them up off thefloor as long as they didn't
fall flat down.
I mean, it's like it was notyou know statute of limitations
long over.
But it's like, you know, it'slike so, yeah, that's an over

(54:47):
thing, but you could, you knowso yeah, these NLP techniques,
and again they, they're notlogical.
When you went through that foodone, I wasn't talking about it's
bad for you or this, that, no,it's just like where's one,
where's this moving around?
Do this, You're done, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Right, right, absolutely.
Well, this has all been great.
Is there anything that we havenot touched on, either in NLP or
anything else having to do withmind-body healing?
And just you know, maybe, evenmaybe, you could touch on a
little bit the use of NLP inbusiness practices, because I

(55:27):
think we've focused more onpersonal development and
self-improvement, but this isalso an excellent tool for
business, correct?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh yeah, well, it's all communication.
You know, putting your ad inthe.
I just, you know, I forgot.
I just saw this and I'm goingto.
I'm going to use this right,which is, let's say, you're in
business and you've got, youknow, a big thing in business,
what's your ideal client, right?
What's your demographic foryour, you know, females between
25 and 50 that want to loseweight.

(55:59):
That, right, if that's yourdemographic, great.
Don't let you're not that.
Don't let people that's not inyour demographic influence how
you market.
Don't let a guy say, well,that's not right, no, right,
it's like you get distracted,right, and so it's like you got

(56:19):
to break it down.
So in business and again, it'sall about communication you need
to learn influence andpersuasion If you're going to
get people to buy your productsor sign up for your services or
this, that and the other thing,right, and usually this whole
myth about, well, if you build abetter mousetrap, they'll be
the path to your door no, theywon't yeah you know, they got to

(56:43):
find you right and then theygot to want it and again it's.
So the best communicator willhave a better business than,
let's say, therapy.
You could be the world's besttherapist, but if you're not
good at reaching out andconnecting with people and
selling your products andthere's a mediocre therapist

(57:05):
that really good at that, thisperson over here will outperform
this person 50 to 1 right.
Right, because again, theydon't.
You know it's like it's.
Can you communicate yourmessage exactly?
You know, at the level that thepeople that that want it right
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Um, yeah, this is.
This has been great.
Is there anything else that Ihave not asked you that I think
that you think would beimportant for our listeners to
know about?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
And you know, since a lot of this is you're in the
mind, body world, is alwaysremember that underneath it,
we're responsible for our health.
Yes, not the government, notyour doctor not the medical
system right, you're responsible, so you know, and it starts
with how you think about what.
You're responsible, so you know, and it starts with how you
think about what you're doing.

(57:54):
You know, and the and, againit's the, it's that taking
charge of it.
Right, and and just you know uhnot letting the I always say not
letting the bastards get youdown.
It's like you know.
I'm responsible for my, for myhealth.
You know and take charge ofthat and become your own doctor.

(58:18):
Yeah, yeah, really good doctor,never bothered.
You know shouldn't be upset ifyou challenge them, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
No, and I will say, you know, I think sometimes
maybe people think I'm a littletoo critical of doctors, but my
favorite people in the wholeworld are doctors who have
tremendous curiosity and areopen to receiving new
information, and certainly theway our healthcare system or
sick care system has beenstructured doesn't allow them to

(58:49):
explore that curiosity verymuch.
So I think sometimes it's moreinquisitive patients who come in
who challenge them in that waythat um keeps them sharper, um,
so I think the really good onesunderstand that um and
appreciate that uh, certainly toa certain level.
Um, and you had mentionedearlier, uh, you kind of touched

(59:09):
on, you know, kind of thisadolescent state that we all
went through with the COVIDsituation.
And I'll kind of get into alittle bit of cognitive
behavioral therapy stuff.
I remember talking to atherapist who talked about ego
states and there being a parentego state, a child ego state, an
adult ego state.

(59:31):
And you know, as adults we wantto have other adult
relationships with adults and Ithink so much of what our
medical system and even thegovernment and to some extent
educational institutions and andbusiness as well, have created,
this parent child relationshipthat is not working for anybody

(59:54):
who wants to be an adult.
So I think you know, in therealm of self-ownership and
being proactive, being thearchitect of your own health,
having an adult relationshipwith yourself and insisting on
that being the case with otherpeople, rather than allowing
yourself to be parented by thegovernment or the medical system

(01:00:17):
, is imperative, and NLP canprobably be a tool for that as
well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Oh yeah, I'm in the VA system, so that's its own
world.
Okay, my primary care.
It took us a while, right, anduh, because she wanted me to
take something, I said I'm nottaking that.
Yeah, right, and she's liketrying.
I'm like um, and I had my phone, I'm just wait a second.
There's the research that saysthat a it's ineffective and b it

(01:00:48):
does liver damage, right, youknow.
And then also, when you said mycholesterol is high at two, 19,
.
What's your parameter?
Where did they get the number?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And a certain thing is bad, and I don't think most
people don't know they changedthe parameters when they came
out with statins so that theycould require more people to go
on statins.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and I said you know, the original thing was,
you know, when they take thecontrol group, it's every man
between the ages of 18 and six,and 70 or 75 or 85.
I'm like, yeah, what show methe and Europe did it the
parameters of athlete men, thatare, athletes between 25 and 40

(01:01:32):
and guess what their cholesterolis between 200 and 250.
It's just and she's like,finally, she's like yeah so, but
it's like you know I'm gonna.
I and we did have a nice littleconversation.
I said I expect to be treatedwith respect, exactly you know.
And she goes oh, yeah, yeah andthe va has changed in the last
year.
Oh yeah, yeah, have a nicelittle conversation.
I said I expect to be treatedwith respect.
Exactly, you know.

(01:01:52):
And she goes.
Oh yeah, yeah, and the VA haschanged in the last year.
Oh yeah, yeah, fine, you know,you did your part.
You know, let us help you.
I'm like, well, you know, right, so right.
And again I said it's my body.
I'm don't even prescribe it,cause I'm not going to fill this
thing Right, even though youpaid for it right paid for it,
you know right, yeah, yeah, no,it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I think it's so much about creating healthy
relationships, uh, you know, andwhatever we can do to foster
that adult interaction.
So, yeah, well, awesome.
This has been a greatconversation.
I think that our listeners willprobably get a lot out of it.
You're online and people canfind out more about what you do

(01:02:38):
on a therapeutic level as well,as if they wanted to learn how
to become certified in NLPthemselves.
Where can they find you onlineto get more information?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
The easiest is two websites.
One is nfn.
L Pcom.
That's like the for theorganizations and trainings and
and ways to get in touch with meand also Dr Will HortonD R W I
L L H O R T O Ncom, usually oneof those two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I'm re rebranding the one site, the will horton site,
okay yeah, so I, yeah, I teachthis stuff awesome, and you're a
prolific writer too.
So I think if people go to overto amazon, um, they can
probably find quite a few ofyour titles there yeah, yeah, my
favorite lately is I'm pushing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
It's called um habits for success.
Okay, why?
Why, uh, children of royaltyand the wealthy are more
successful than those thataren't, and it's it's the habits
and the beliefs they build inright expect success.
Certain things are going tohappen and you know, as opposed
to those of us from a bluecollar background that have to

(01:03:50):
kind of break through certainlevels- Right, right,
interesting, interesting,awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Well, thank you so much for joining us, dr Will,
and I will definitely includethose links in the show notes so
people can just click directlyover there.
But it was a pleasure talkingwith you, as always there.
But it was a pleasure talkingwith you, as always.
Namaste.
No problem, have a good one.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.

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