Peptide Bioregulators and Age Reversal with Phil Micans

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Why did the mid-Victorians?
Why, then, was there a dip fromsort of 1860 onwards?
So if you were in 1830, therewere no gym memberships in 1830,
because you had to walkeverywhere.
Unless you're a rich man andyou owned a horse, you walked
everywhere.
And then the food.
Well, everybody was eatingorganic.
Everybody was eating with theseasons.
Also, how did they cook?

(00:21):
They could not cook at hightemperatures.
They had what we call a Dutchoven.
It's basically a slow cooker.
So all these things mount upand gave them the same age of
death as we have today.
Tumors only grow in the daytime, they do not grow at nighttime.
Why, if we haven't got ourhealth, what do we have?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to the Body Literacy Podcast Phil.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's a great pleasure to be here, Jen.
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Of course.
Of course, I'm so excited aboutthis conversation.
I think we have some reallyinteresting topics surrounding
peptides and peptidebioregulators to dive into, and
I think the conversation willtake some interesting turns, as
I think you and I share a lot ofsimilar values and ideas about

(01:07):
where the medical industry isgoing.
But I want to start off theconversation with a little
personal story, and I don'tthink I've ever told this one on
the Body Literacy Podcastbefore, but it's a story about
my great grandmother.
So my great grandmother livedto be 110 years old and her

(01:29):
older sister lived to be 112.
And, um, if you are watchingthe video version of this, um,
this is the Guinness book ofworld records that she and her
sister were in for a few yearsrunning.
Um, they were the oldest livingsiblings until they finally got
beat out by some people whowere even older.

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So this is one of our family'sclaims to fame.
Unfortunately, the genetics onthe other side of my family
aren't quite as strong, but I'mrooting for the epigenetic
expression of my centenarianrelatives.
So other interesting thingabout her is her favorite
they're beyond centenarianrelatives.
So other interesting thingabout her is her.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
They're beyond centenarian, jen that because
they got to 110, they becomesuper centenarian.
There we go, yeah, and if youtake your shoes and socks off
and you look at all your digits,there aren't that many super
centenarians on the planet rightnow, so that's how rare it is
to get to 110.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, I'm, I'm aiming for it.
Uh, her, her favorite food wasactually fried chicken and, um,
I'll tell this story real quick.
Kentucky fried chicken got windof this and they started
sponsoring her birthday partiesat the nursing home after she
was 100.
Um, I always tell people likefried chicken isn't really the
problem, but don't eat KFC.

(02:48):
I think they changed the namebecause they couldn't even call
it chicken anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
There was a study or a statement came out recently
from one of the gerontologyuniversities, I can't remember
which one of them, basicallysaying it, actually said it's
very recent.
Don't follow the advice of thecentenarian, which is.
It sounds crazy, but, um, whatthey're talking about is,

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generally speaking, these people, um, have some bad habits.
So you know, I mean, the mostfamous one, of course, is jean
clement, who was a french ladywho lived to 122 and some months
and, um, and smoked and drankand, you know, didn't seem to do
anything out of the ordinary,shall we say.

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So you?
And of course that may bepurely genetics.
I don't think it's right.
A lot of genealogists will tellyou if genes are the gun, the
environment is the trigger.
So if you have bad genes butyou don't give it the
environment, then you don'tdamage yourself.
So there's that argument aswell.
But the funny story about JeanClamor and I'd like to think

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it's true and I'd like to thinkshe had great humor is, on her
120th birthday, with a cake anda brandy in one hand and a
cigarette in the other hand.
Somebody asked her what do youattribute your long life to, as
they always do, and she saidwell, I don't know, she said but
if I'd known I was going tolive this long, I'd have lived

(04:20):
out to myself.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know, and that brings up the subject, too, of
lifespan versus healthspan,because we've had so much focus
on the number of years but notso much infusing those years
with the most amount of lifeforce that we possibly can, and
I think that's kind of wherethis biohacking revolution is

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coming from is people wanting tolive to their absolute fullest
as long as they possibly can.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, I do agree.
Everyone understands there's nopoint in living to 120 if your
last 40 years are absolutelymiserable.
Everybody knows it's about.
You know the health span, asyou rightly say.
Yeah, I couldn't agree morewith that.
The um.
There was a number of aspectsto this.

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First of all, I've got to say,having been in the business for
35 plus years and seen a lot,and what have you?
Um, the majority of peoplestill don't care about their
true longevity, that most peoplearen't even thinking about next
year, never mind next decade.
You know, one of the problems,of course, is I guess you've got

(05:31):
a number.
I would say that I thought I wasimmortal until I turned 30 yeah
, right you know, I don't thinkif you asked anybody who was 20,
25 years old, living, livingtheir life.
Everything's exciting,everything's going on, loads to
do, lots to see.
Oh, have you thought about yourdeath, right?
No, of course I haven't.

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So, as I say, a lot of peoplenot in our space maybe because
we get surrounded by people whoare concerned with maximising
their health span, but I'mtalking about the population at
large they're not thatinterested in what's happening
next year, never mind in 20years, 30 years, whatever.
And that's kind of sad becauseit looks as though, with

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exceptions, of course, there'salways exceptions that most dna
damage takes at least 10 yearsto appear.
So if you start smoking today,you might say what cigarettes
don't bother me, oh, I'm on 20 aday, whatever.
You know well, wait 10 yearsand see what it might, might
happen.
And that 10 to 20 years istypical for dna damage to really

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show it's it's.
And then, of course, theproblem then is trying to
reverse it.
You know you can't at that stagetry and slow it down.
It won't perhaps do that muchfor you.
But fundamentally, you know,anti-aging, biohacking,
orthomolecular medicine,whatever you want to call it, it

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all has the same goal.
And that goal and and I believeyou, me I've had professors get
angry over terminology.
They say it's semantics, it'sjust words, let's relax.
But the goal is the same.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's prevent if you can reverse regenerate yeah,
exactly exactly, and I thinkpart of like the.
The trouble we're seeing atthis stage in the game is
everyone is so ingrained in amedical system that is designed
on one pill for one ill andthey're looking to suppress

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symptoms rather than heal whatactually caused the problem in
the first place, and thatgenerally takes time.
That's not something you canturn off with a pill.
If we've had decades to get towherever we are in our current
state of suffering, if you will.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, the fiscal system makes that happen because
drugs per se.
We could get into semanticshere about what the different
word drugs means to differentpeople.
But what ordinary people, ifyou dare say that, think of the
word drug.
You know the.
It's so expensive, they reckon.
In the states now it costsabout a billion dollars to

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approve a new drug and not everydrug that they attempt to
approve goes gets approved right, so that some fall by the
wayside.
So they've got to get thatmoney back and they've got to
make a profit.
That's the way the system works.
So they want a substance thatthey can patent and it is
notoriously difficult to patenta natural substance.

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And that's why, in the main,you only ever hear from your
medical doctors in the UK wecall them GPs, general
practitioners.
You only hear about drugs, younot natural substances.
Because one, they only did twoweeks of their five-year medical
school on nutrition.
That's one.

(08:51):
And two, the pharmaceuticalsalesman will never talk to them
about how vitamin c or whateveris complementary with this,
that or the other.
Because that's the way I see.
I'm not negating drugs,pharmacologist, I'm not negating
drugs and they have their placeif they look.
If you're in pain, you knowpainkillers.

(09:11):
You're gonna want it.
But you're absolutely rightwhen it comes to degenerative
diseases, long-term problems,then you need to address the
root cause.
It's no good lowering bloodpressure with a beta blocker If
you haven't got to the source,or attempting to lower your
cholesterol with a statin.

(09:31):
You know why is cholesterolhigh, why is the blood pressure
high?
Get to the root cause.
And that's so sad, of course,that they won't even consider.
I mean, I've heard many storiesover the years.
A friend of mine was put onmetformin for his type 2
diabetes.
That's a classic drug for it.
But there is a fantastic bookI've got it on my shelf behind

(09:54):
me there somewhere called theDrug Nutrient Depletion Handbook
and it shows all the majordrugs and then the vitamins or
minerals or whatever that itwill impede.
Now, in the case of metformin,it impedes the uptake of B12.
So I think a lot of the sideeffects that people may

(10:14):
experience from metformin arepartly due to the fact that
they're quashing their B12.
So guess what?
Take some B12 supplement andsuddenly it becomes
complementary and it in thesynergy, is improved.
But I've heard there was thisin.
Go back to my friend.
He went back to his gp and saidto this lady oh, my friend has

(10:36):
recommended I take some b12while I'm on uh, while I'm on
metformin, and she regaled, youknow, oh my god, no, she said I
wouldn't do that.
And and I said why did she saythat?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
and he, said I don't know, I didn't ask her I said
there's only one reason.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
She said that it's because she doesn't know
anything.
And so I said did she tell youto stop eating oranges?
I said, well, they've got a lotof B12 in.
I mean, surely, if that's thecase, you shouldn't?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
be eating oranges.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know this is how silly it can get sometimes.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, I think the phrase I don't know is a very
powerful statement, and it's onethat I think that so many
people, ingrained in the currentsystem, don't have the humility
to use, and it's an invitationto curiosity, and I think our
existing system could be fixedvery easily just by infusing

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that curiosity back into ourphysicians.
They've become, in many ways,box story employees that have to
practice to the quote unquotestandard of care, and they're no
longer infusing themselves withthis insatiable curiosity that
I think very famous physiciansof millennia past were so well

(11:53):
known for.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, I think one of the problems there, Jen, is also
.
They don't have the time.
Yeah exactly.
They don't get.
And also it's confusing trying,if your field has been in this
for that, as it were, andsuddenly you're exposed to this
huge, you can get very confused.
I don't know what to believeanymore.
You know, but the time is areal, real problem on the NHS,

(12:19):
because you know, we have asocialist medicine system in the
UK, socialist medicine systemin the uk, and that means that
95 percent of people don't go tothe nhs.
They don't.
There's five percent.
So the private medicine in theuk is very small and it's in a
very few concentrated places,like harley street in london is
very famous for it.
Um, because people feel, well,I've paid my taxes, I get my

(12:41):
health care free, which isunderstandable, but at the same
time they're going to get this,this regimen.
That's that's what we're goingto do for you and nothing else.
Um, and that's a rather sadstate of affairs.
I mean, just recently I hadsomething that angered me.
Rather is the government herein the uk has asked doctors to
find the time to talk aboutclimate change with their

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patients.
Right now, it doesn't.
I don't care what you thinkabout climate change, whether
it's true, not true, it doesn'tmatter.
They reckon the average patientin the uk has five minutes with
their with their nhs doctor.
So you, why have you gone tosee that person?
Because you feel unwell, you'vegot a problem and you want them

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to fix it.
Right, right, you've got fiveminutes with them.
How much of that time do youwant them to talk about the
weather?
Yes, ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh well, I mean, I think that just shows that maybe
there are other agendas at play, particularly on that topic
like I mean I think anyone canguess those people are seen as
in authority.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
You've gone to them to respect them, you know they.
They're in the priestesses andpriests of the high temple and
therefore if they give you a newcommand, yeah, you're going to
accept it.
I'm sure that's probably intheir thinking.
Yeah, but I agree with you thatmore doctors would find
themselves not only more humblebut more respected if they

(14:11):
sometimes said I don't knowExactly and follow it up with,
but I'll try and find out, yeah,so fair enough, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I do see where there are doctors, kind of
outliers of the system.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh, there's some good ones.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh, absolutely I mean they're my favorite people as
they have that curiosity and ifyou go to them with something
they haven't heard of, they'relike absolutely.
I will look into it and I'llgive a brief example.
There was a surgeons, a surgerycenter locally that I went to
and introduced the sportsmedicine doctor there to a

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protocol for high dose IVvitamin C used during surgery to
help the wound healing.
I thought for sure they weregonna.
We're gonna tell me I was crazyand or ignore me or whatever.
And two days before it was, mydaughter was having a surgery.
Two days before she had thesurgery, his physician's
assistant called me and this wasa very prominent practice and

(15:13):
said hey, we looked into allthis information on high dose IV
vitamin C and how it can helpwith arthritis and surgeries and
all kinds of different things.
We're going to approve it forthe surgery.
But I think the kicker here isis this was a privately owned,
physician owned surgery center.
It was not through theconventional hospital, because

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I've been in similar situations,even with specifically with
high dose IV vitamin C, wherethe hospital administrators will
put a whole board together totell you no, you can't have a
vitamin in the hospital.
Administrators will put a wholeboard together to tell you, no,
you can't have a vitamin in thehospital.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
There's a famous story from New Zealand on that
exact same point, where a farmerhad contracted something in his
travels and his sons.
He'd been in like a coma for along time.
And his son said please tryvitamin C.
And begrudgingly, and onlyafter the lawyer threatened them
.
They did, and he recovered in avery short period of time.

(16:10):
And even at the end of it all,when they had a press conference
, the hospital was when askedwhat do you think has helped
this gentleman recover from ayear long coma?
They tried to oh, I, we.
We moved him in his bed.
We think the position,unfortunately for that doctor,
his son was a well-known rugbyplayer from new zealand and they

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are some of the world's bestrugby players.
He launched himself acrossthree rows of seats and took
this doctor down on the floor.
He was so angry about thatstatement.
But you know, but it's ablindness, it's an absolute.
In the uk they have a uh, whatwould you call it?
A doctrine where it's?
I've heard it so many times.

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It just pisses me off.
Now we only practiceevidence-based medicine, right?
I remember having thatconversation with a uk nhs
doctor about high dose vitamin C, in this case for sepsis, and
he basically said oh well, weonly practice evidence based
medicine.
So I said well, hang on aminute, I'd like to question you

(17:14):
about that statement, you know.
And I said well, I've got backin the office, I've got this
enormous book and it's writtenby probably the world's greatest
vitamin living vitamin C expert, dr Thomas Levin.
And I said it's called VitaminC in Infectious Disease.
I said and he lists in thereall the different cases.

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I said and in the back thereare over 3000 PubMed references.
Now, I know it's like a goodlawyer, you don't ask the
question before you actuallyknow the answer.
I knew he could not dis aPubMed reference.
It's a gold standard, it's peerreviewed stuff, right?
So he didn't know anythingabout it, of course.

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So I said Would you accept that?
That is evidence based medicine?
And of course he couldn't sayno, right.
So in the end I said so really,your statement is we only
practice approved medicine,right?
That's that's what it comesdown to.
And in the end he had to saywell, yeah right, right.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And the interesting thing about Dr Thomas Levy too,
is that he he actually, based onhis experiences in the medical
industry, went and got his lawdegree to navigate the legal
aspects of everything that'sbeen happening.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
He realized how important that was to the
changing of the system, so thatone of another great example of

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just another great doctor doinggreat things and not having the
curiosity and not bowing down tothe One of my personal
favorites.
A great doctor, a great man isis is Dr Dr Wright, from that's
with a W, and he's um jonathanright, dr jonathan right and
he's from seattle.
Uh, he has a clinic in tahoma,I think it's called, not far
from seattle and uh, it's a bigplace.

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I think he's got like 200 staffin there.
You know, it's a bit, and hehas spent his life reading.
I don't think he has spare time, jonathan, I don't.
I don't.
You know he doesn't go fishingor golfing, or I don't think so.
Anyway, I think what his ideaof a good, a good night is to
curl up with some publicationyeah, possibly a glass of wine

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and read it.
And the knowledge he has is soincredible, it's unbelievable.
And I once saw him on stageanswering questions and he was
asked because his point was, youknow, whatever medicine is
practiced, we have to accept itis behind the literature.
It of course we do, because thewhole idea of research is

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always to keep, in theory atleast, to keep pushing the right
.
So he asked the question.
He said after reading countlessjournals and papers and
goodness knows what he said.
I've come to a conclusion abouthow far we are.
Um, and he was talking abouttherapeutic medicine, not
surgery.
Okay, anyone listening to this?
I'm not talking about surgery.

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There have been quitesignificant advances in that and
that's the reason.
But in, in therapeutics, youknow, when we talk about
medicines and things, and, andso he asked the audience.
He said how far do you think weare behind the literature?
And people shouted out 20 years, 10 years, five years, stuff
like that.
And he went yeah, all goodanswers.

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He said I'll tell you what Ithink.
He said we're a hundred years,right?
So we're currently practicing1924 medicine and of course that
shocks everybody, right, that'sshocked, yeah, just everybody.
But so, but he's a man Igreatly respect.
If you ever see any JonathanWright on on a or anything, go

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and read it, it will be good.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
All right.
All right, can we say we'regoing to get into anti aging and
specifically peptidebioregulators, which will define
what those are in a little bithere.
But can you, can you define forus what is the aging process?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, that's the 64 trillion dollar question.
I'm going to take you back onestep here, jen, if you don't
mind something, because youmentioned your grandparents
living to 110 and 112, which isphenomenal, right, right,
phenomenal.
But there was an amazing studydone in the University of
Amsterdam that was published in2016.
So, not so long ago, and theyhad a bunch of ladies and very

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big ladies, right, that livedthat long.
And also another thing theygenerally you can tell me about
how big your grandparentsGenerally, they're quite small
people, yeah, right, that'sanother thing they have in
common.
No-transcript.

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Those ladies died within two tothree weeks of a serious
reduction in stem cell activityand a shortening of telomeres.
Right Now, the big question isis that cause or is that
consequence?
Right, but nonetheless, theyshared that in common.
They had in the last few weeksof life, they, they and that's

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been said about a lot of peopleover the years who, who have
been poster boys and girls forA4M or other outfits, you think,
86 years old, super fit, greatshape, you know anything?
Wow, wow, wow.
And I'm thinking here of a guycalled bob della montague was
one, and there was a lady aswell, nancy.

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I can't remember her name atthe moment, but again, lady in
her late 70s, super fit,everything you know, wow, wow,
wow.
And yet they died.
They died like I think bob diedat 86, I think she died at 79,
if I remember rightly.
But they checked out quitequickly, which leads to the
whole idea of you know, is therea death clock?

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You know, and, and whattriggers it?
Okay, and, and there's, there'ssome things.
I mean, the walter, pierrepaulie and others have surmised
that if there's a counter in thebody, it's the pineal gland,
because it's in the center ofthe brain and it responds to day
, night, day night, day night.
It could be a counter.
I mean, nobody knows for sure.

(23:59):
None of these things aredefinitive, you know, um, but I
think we'd all.
My position on this is I'veheard people say well, if aging,
some people want to classifyaging as a disease.
A lot of people areuncomfortable with that idea
because, well, we've all got it,so it can't be a disease.

(24:21):
Yeah, ok, but the way I look atit is up until our teenage
years, it's growth anddevelopment.
After we are able to reproduce,nature starts to see a decline
and that is a known trigger onthat, and that trigger is the
shrinkage, the atrophy of thethymus gland which sits in the

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chest OK, quite a large gland,quite important in our immune
system, and it's well known thatby the time we just hit puberty
it starts to shrink.
Yeah, right, so there are anumber of really well-known
people in the field, uh, who'vesaid yeah.
One of my heroes unfortunatelyhe's not with us anymore was the

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late great joseph noel, who wasa pharmacologist from hungary,
and I asked him once on stage Isaid when do you think aging
starts?
And he said 14.
I mean, most people would nevergo that low.
I mean most people might say 35, 40, 45, you know something,
probably around those sorts ofnumbers, but he said 14 and that

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was his basis.
You know they were a trophy.
So changes do take place in usand it's almost like nature says
you're able to have children,now time to start put the
counter on, you know so, um,nobody knows for sure.
Um, but of course, what'sreally fascinating and this is
what got me into this wholefield when I was a teenager or a

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young man, um, I felt I wasaging more quickly than my
friends and I asked myself why,why, you know, we kind of all do
similar things.
Why am I seemingly aging fasterthan you guys are?
And that got me into thinkingabout that as a question.
And it's absolutely true.
I mean, you know, you can be asFreudian as you like, but when

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somebody is coming towards youin the street, you can, we all
make assumptions.
You might say are you male orfemale?
Are you young or old?
Are you a threat?
You know, I won't say whatFreud said because it's got some
rules.
You know, can you eat me?
Can I eat you?
Can you F me?
Can I F you?

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You know these really basic,you know primeval monkey things.
But we do make assumptions andwe might also make assumptions
how much money have you got?
How well are you dressed?
How in Britain especially, howdo you talk Right?
You know I'll put you in theclass system by your accent, you

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know so.
So there's a lot of assumptionsand everyone knows you know
I'll put you in the class systemby by your accent, you know so.
So there's a lot of assumptionsand everyone knows you know
first impressions are the mostimportant.
So there's a lot we assume,maybe subconsciously, in 30
seconds of meeting people, butage is one of them.
Am I talking to a young personand all, and we, and we adjust
ourselves.
You wouldn't talk to a childthe same way that you'd talk to

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an elderly judge, I don't know.
So aging is a complicated arena.
Now, what is the actual processof aging?
Well, of course, there are manybiochemical pathways.
Hormones is a classic, I mean.
The most obvious one for theladies is menopause, right, it's

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an absolutely clear line thatyou're moving from being this
person to being this person,right, and it happens in men too
.
I'm, you know.
Of course there's an androidcause.
The only thing is it's slower,right, but they're all sorts of.
If you're on the telephone, youknow it's an aging man, right,
the voice is.
Testosterone is really low, hisestrogens have gone right up

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and you can hear it in theirvoice.
You know you're an elderlygentleman, yeah, so, even
subconsciously, we pick up onthese, on these signals.
Certainly hormones.
If you follow the work of, say,dr, certainly hormones.
If you follow the work of, say,dr Thierry Hertog, who's one of
the great endocrinologists inthe field, and you ever see a

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lecture by Thierry, go and watchit, because he shows pictures
of people who look dramaticallydifferent by altering their
hormones.
When you see the early picturesof these people.
You look at them and you go I'dsay that was a 50 year old man,
yeah, yeah.
And then you see the treatment,and then you see them again,
maybe one, two, three yearslater, and suddenly you think no

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that's a 30 year old man.
You know the dramaticdifferences from rebalancing
hormones.
The 64 trillion dollar question, of course, is why do hormones
go out of balance?
You know what is the triggerand of course that's when you
get into the quagmire of.
There's one thing we know forsure we can accelerate aging.

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No problem there, right, andeveryone knows how to do that
Don't sleep too much, drink toomuch alcohol, start smoking
cigarettes, you know, starttaking narcotics, get yourself
in a very stressful situation.
And one of the one of the thingsthat stress does, modern day
stress.
We are built for a certainamount of stress, you know.

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And clearly, when we werewalking through the jungle and
the take a saber tooth tigerwanted to come after us, we
would have extreme stress.
And the take, a saber-toothedtiger, wanted to come after us,
we would have extreme stress,but for short periods, you know.
But what we in the modern world, we're kind of exposed to this
chronic level slightly too high,you know, I can't.
There's no parking spaces, youknow, and all you know, all

(29:46):
those little silly things, andand so I've come to realize now
I'm I'm 62, I've come to realizenow I'm 62.
I've come to realize thatrelaxation is a really important
thing.
If you'd have asked me 10 yearsor so ago and you said you know
, do you relax, phil, do youchill?
I'd have probably said nobecause I felt I was wasting my
time Right.
I'm going to read something, I'mgoing to watch something.

(30:07):
I can't just sit here and donothing.
But I've realized thatrelaxation and it can take many
forms.
You know, obviously the classicis meditation or yoga, but it
could be fishing or painting, orwalking in the woods, or you
know there's many or sailingyour boat, I don't know.
There's many forms thatrelaxation can take.

(30:30):
And one of the things we knowabout stress is it's the number
one way to shorten yourtelomeres.
And telomeres are the end capsof chromosomes.
The nice way to think aboutthem is they are the aglets on
your laces, and an aglet is thatpiece of plastic that keeps the

(30:51):
lace together.
And you know what your lacewould look like if it hadn't got
an outlet on it.
It'd be a mess.
And that's what telomeres dofor the chromosomes.
And the general theory is thatthe longer the chrono that sorry
, the longer the telomeres are,the more likely you are to be
healthy and live longer.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I'm wondering, too, like how much of the aging
process is natural versus theaccelerated aging that we're
actually being exposed tobecause of all the factors of
modern life.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, that is a very.
The trouble is now where canyou have that cohort of people
who are leading?
Are they living on top of thehimalayas?
Uh, where?
Where are they?
The trouble is, what's rathershocking, of course, um is this
and people like amish people,you know the people that live

(31:45):
like it was 200 years ago andthey go around by horse and
buggy and and they, they, theygrow their their own vegetables
and they go to bed when the sungoes down and they get up when
the sun comes up.
They don't use electric andthey certainly don't have a cell
phone, etc.
Etc.
Etc.
The shocking thing is, whenthey study those people, those
kinds of people, they not onlylive longer than the average,

(32:09):
they also seem to live healthier.
And then you start getting intowhat is it in the?
You know, and the trouble istoday, you know, you could say
the water's tainted, there'splastics in it.
You know, the germans studiedum their water some years ago
and they went to their differentstates and they randomly chose
faucets and they tested thewater from the municipal water

(32:32):
supply and they found in everycase traces of all the major
drugs, so literally viagra andum, you know, statins and all
the rest traces and of coursesay well, it's you know it's
very, very, very small numbers.
And the number one what is thenumber one prescribed drug in

(32:54):
the world?
Contraceptive Right.
So now you have an endocrinedisruptor in the water, right.
So when people say to me, whydo you always buy mineral water,
phil, aren't you wasting yourmoney?
I say well, I'm far less likelyto have drugs in it.
That's it.

(33:15):
There are other things you cando to obviously cleanse yourself
, but that is a known fact thewater is huge and I tell people
start there.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Uh, it sounds too simple and I think the problem
is people don't have like ataste, discernment between
waters, so they don't feel likethey're doing something
different.
Um, yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
You know, I drank it yesterday.
I feel all right.
You know it takes time.
But then you start saying, well, if there are traces of my joke
, of course, is that we've,we're all drinking hard water
because it's great, but I meanbut?
But?
But seriously, if we, if youstart saying, well, hang about,
hang about, hang about.

(33:56):
How much water do you drinkevery day?
A couple of liters, two, threeliters.
You shower in it.
Your bath, you bathe in it.
Yeah and uh, what about yourchildren?
Are they using?
What about a baby?
What about a pregnant mother?
Right, you start what aboutsomebody who's seriously ill?
For another, you know, there'sall sorts of things you could
throw in that mix and cause alot of problems.

(34:18):
Now we have a, an aluminumexpert.
I nearly said aluminium.
We have an aluminum expert herein the UK and his name is
Professor Chris Exley.
That's E-X-L-E-Y.
You can look up his work.
Look him up on YouTube.
That's e-x-l-e-y.
You can look up his work.
Look him up on youtube.

(34:38):
Um, great guy and um, he gotfired from his university
because he started making somevery controversial,
controversial statements, whichI will not go into, but people
can go and find him on youtube.
But he discovered.
Aluminum, you know, is in thewater right.
Aluminum is the world's mostcommon metal.
You know it's in our food, etc.
However, he he states quiteclearly that when we ingest it,

(35:00):
our body does know how todetoxify it.
When we put it in another way,it does not know how to detoxify
it interesting that you useyour imagination yeah, okay.
So, but what he discovered inhis work and I think this is
really interesting is thatsilica is a chelator of aluminum
, right, and he discovered doyou mind me using brand names?

(35:23):
Okay, so he discovered threewaters that are mineral waters,
that are mineral waters that arenaturally high in silica.
One is a French water calledVolvic, another one is an
Indonesian water called Spritzerand the other one is Fiji Okay
water, and I'm not going to tellyou where that's from.

(35:46):
So people are drinking thosewaters.
So he got I can't remember thenumbers, you'll have to go and
look him up but he got a bunchof people together, together all
who were suffering with earlystage dementias, mainly
alzheimer's, and he said I justwant you to drink two or three
waters, liters of water a dayfrom one of these brands.

(36:07):
And so now here in the uk, uh,volvic water is by far the
cheapest because we're quiteclose to France.
You know, importing stuff fromIndonesia and Fiji puts the
price up.
So, and in my house you'll findmainly Volvic water.
So he put them on two or threeliters of those waters and after

(36:27):
two months they all hadstatistical improvements in
their disorders just fromchanging the water they drank,
so you know and and that's justin sort of eight weeks.
So imagine what eight yearsmight do it's funny.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
When my son was younger, uh, he had a a palate
and an intuition for water andhe would always demand I go by
fiji um before his bedtime.
He insisted it had to be fiji.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
No other water tasted the same to him yeah, good, I,
I think we do possess um inbuiltantenna, if you want to call it
that.
I remember a study from yearsago where people were put in a
sealed room with a one-waymirror and and they had
electrodes put on their brain.

(37:17):
And this, this part of the brainback here often called the
horse brain, is one of theoldest parts of the reptilian
brain, yeah yeah, exactly, andthey put the and they found that
whenever somebody was lookingat them but I mean they would
sit in there, you know, readinga book or watching a film or
whatever it was they were doingthey couldn't see anybody
looking at them.
There was a one way mirror, butwhat they found was, whenever

(37:40):
somebody was actually looking atthem, it stimulated this part
of the brain, right?
So I'm sure that our forebears,when that saber tooth tigers
decided to have us for lunch,reacted to that and started
running, even though they didn'tknow why.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
But and I'm sure that we all possess some kind of
natural ability to know this isgood, this is not good for me,
and I talk about the body beingan antenna for consciousness,
and I think the more degradedthe body becomes, the less
connection we have to thatinnate knowing and our

(38:17):
connection to all other things.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
And I think when we look, oh, I get that I've
reached my conclusion based onother people, Of course I'm.
You know, we're all standing onthe shoulders of giants.
Is is that I don't think thebrain is a computer.
I think it's a receiver and andwe, if you, as you say, if you,
if you've raised yourconsciousness, then you can tap

(38:41):
into the ether and start pickingup stuff, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, on that note, let's jump into peptides and
bioregulators, because I thinkwe're also going to lead into
the pineal gland on this, whichI think you've got a lot of
things to say on that In thecontext of aging or anything.
Can you explain to ourlisteners what is a peptide and
then what is the subset ofpeptides, the bioregulators?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Sure, well, peptides, very simply simply, are groups
of amino acids.
Now, I think most people knowabout amino acids and they're
very, very important.
And there are about eight aminoacids that are classified as
essential, and that word, inthis particular instance, means
if you don't get them, you die.

(39:31):
So, um, that's probably makesthem pretty essential.
Um, and they are the buildingblocks of proteins.
So as soon as you get two aminoacids that decide to conjoin
from all the amino acids, and ofcourse it's called a dipeptide
to be precise, then, um, ofcourse, all these names just for
different subcategories.

(39:52):
That's when some people saidwhen that happened, in the
primeval swamps of this planet,all the bubbling mud pools, and
when that happened, information.
That was the first moment thatwe had the ability to make
information.
And when other amino acidsdecide to add onto these chains
in different I'm not amathematician, mathematician,

(40:13):
but obviously these can becomevery big numbers um, you get,
you get different peptides, youget longer change of peptides,
and and then we start changingthe names.
When they've got to a certainpoint, we might start calling
them peptides and we might startcalling them proteins, and at
other points, we might stopcalling them peptides and we
might start calling themproteins and at other points we
might stop calling them proteinsand we might start calling them

(40:36):
hormones.
So, for example, human growthhormone, which is produced in
the pituitary gland of the brain, is 191 conjoined amino acids.
That's very long, right, andwhat that means from a from a
point of view of using growthhormone.
You can't swallow it, it's fartoo unstable.

(40:58):
It would just be destroyed inthe stomach.
So that's why, typically, thereare other approaches to growth
hormone.
I accept that, but if youwanted growth hormone, hgh per
se, you'd have to inject it.
That's the only way that itwould survive.
So the the peptides, and todaythere's no doubt in my mind that

(41:20):
peptides are the um, uh numberone interest.
You know, over the years I'veseen I I don't really want to
use the word fads, it's not,it's an unfair word but I've
seen a lot of interest inchelation.
I've seen a lot of interest innootropics, in smart drugs, in
bioidentical hormones, which isstill ongoing, of course.

(41:42):
But today, without question,the hot topic is peptides and I
think people are waking up tothe power of peptides.
Okay, now there's a whole bunchof peptides which I refer to as
the american peptides becauseit's mainly american docs and
researchers who are talkingabout them.
Okay, so you've got bcp 157 andpt 141 and many other crazy

(42:09):
acronyms that we have to try andremember.
Um, but what I got?
In 2010, I was lucky enough tobe going to a meeting in
istanbul, and that was the firsttime I met a russian professor
by the name of vladimir cabinson, and I sat in the auditorium
and I thought I don't know thisguy from adam.

(42:30):
I've never heard of him, Idon't know anything about him,
but it sounds interesting.
So, um, so I'm looking over fora book.
I've got a book over there.
I'll bring it up in a minute,so, um, so, basically, I heard
him describe how, in the sovietunion, he was tasked as the head

(42:51):
of the saint PetersburgInstitute for Biorgerontology,
which is a very prominentinstitute and respected around
the world.
How he was tasked in the 1980sby the Kremlin to help their
troops who were suffering withpremature aging.
So who were these people?

(43:12):
Well, they were people sittingin nuclear submarines or in
nuclear silos.
Perhaps not surprising ifyou're going to spend six months
on the floor bed sitting near anuclear reactor.
Yeah on.
On the other hand, you may say,well, perhaps the government
wasn't so bad, because they sawit as concerned and they wanted
to help those troops.
They also wanted to find waysof fixing the troops from

(43:37):
battlefield weapons.
So you know, I'm not trying toupset anybody, but these are
just facts.
Um and and uh, there was alaser being developed by the
american military.
They're aware of that.
If it was shone on thebattlefield would blind any
person who saw it.
So they said find a way offixing it.
Okay.
So he was tasked with this verygeneral thing, okay, and it

(44:03):
actually I didn't.
What I'm now going to tell youis fast forwarding, yeah, years.
Right, this didn't all happenin istanbul.
I can assure you that it wasfollow-ups and all the rest of
it.
But I can tell you that it wasfollow-ups and all the rest of
it.
But I can tell you that waslike a light bulb going over my
head, because what he ended upsaying was these short chain
peptides and we're now talkingabout peptides that are made up

(44:23):
of two, three or four and insome cases up to six amino acids
.
I've learned that fairlyrecently actually, but certainly
still very small.
Right, they're in food, foodza,right, because they're not all
in one food.
So they're in foods and what heessentially discovered he and
his team essentially discoveredwas they are instructions to our

(44:47):
genes.
They explain epigenetics allright so they, they're like gene
switches.
They can they can turn them onand off.
Exactly.
That's the even crazier thing.
They can activate or they cansilence.
Now nobody can answer how theyknow which way to go right, not

(45:08):
even cabinson, unfortunately.
Now we I help, the twoprofessors and myself, we help
to put this english booktogether, which which we talk.
This is a scientific book I'vegot it right here well, thank
you, I was going to say it's notnighttime reading.
So, um, peptides in theepigenetic control of aging.

(45:31):
Okay, I think that probablysays it all in the title.
We've got some public books andI'll show those in a minute.
And my first degree was inlondon and in it was in 1981 and
, believe it or not, it wascalled food and vitamin
technology.
I think today we call itnutrition.

(45:51):
Um, but one day the lecturer onthe overhead projector because
you know, bill Gates was stillwearing nappies, then we didn't
have any windows or anything andhe put up a pie chart and I
always remembered it, it's oneof those things that just stuck
with me.
And on this pie chart he had,he said these are typically what

(46:13):
you find in food.
He said and typically, theseare the percentages that you
find in food.
Okay, now I can't remember allthe percentages, but it was x
percentage of vitamins, xpercentage of minerals, x
percentage of fats, okay, butthe biggest part of the pie
chart was fiber.
And I remember having a thoughtin the classroom on that day,

(46:35):
which was and 1981, remember,fiber might be a lot more
important than we think, becausewhy is, like, 55 percent of
food made up of fiber, right?
So that was the thought thatwas in my head, but I had a
second thought, and the secondthought was or maybe there's
something missing from thischart that we don't know about?
So fast forward from 1981 to2010.

(46:56):
And when I heard cavernson saythese peptides are in foods and
their gene switches, I saidthat's it.
Peptides are a part of food thatinstruct our bodies to activate
or silence genes and, of course, the magic thing for them was
that, over 40 years from the1980s, they were experimenting

(47:20):
and using these peptides.
Yes, they, they started invitro and they moved on to
animals, but they had the mostenormous human studies.
I mean, I mean, I'm when I sayenormous, I'm talking 11 000
people, monitored over 12 years.
Right, we don't west what youknow, it would never happen.

(47:40):
So, um, and of course,initially it was reserved for
their elite troops, theircosmonauts and their olympic
teams.
Okay, that's in the open,that's in the public domain.
I'm not, I'm not going to getarrested by MI5.
So I'm sure they know all aboutit anyway.

(48:00):
But now, of course, moving fastforward now to modern days,
these products have beenavailable in Russian-speaking
countries.
So I'm talking, yes, russia andKazakhstan, and the Ukraine and
Georgia and Armenia and otherplaces.
Right, they've been, they'vebeen on the market and Cavernson

(48:20):
personally told me that heestimates they've been dosed
over 100 million.
Wow, and the thing is no seriousside effects.
Now they use them in clinicalapplications.
They do have them as injections, they have them in skin creams,
but as food supplements they'reavailable in capsules.

(48:41):
And today, commercially, thereare 21 different peptides that
are for different organs andtissues, that are for different
organs and tissues.
So, yes, the liver, the kidney,the adrenal glands, you know.
The pancreas, the, the retina,the pineal, the thymus, the
thyroid, you know, there are thetestes, the ovaries.

(49:02):
There's a lot, there's a lot.
And I'll be honest with you,when I first got into them as
supplements, which was probablya couple of years after I met
camerson, I was still dubious, Iwas still thinking, really, you
know, and through our networkof of, of both patients and

(49:23):
doctors, I thought, well, I'llput, I'll inject it to a few
people.
I know really well, I mean, Isay inject, I mean I'll offer it
to a few people.
I know very well, before I gocommercial with this, because
I'm just, you know, because I Ihate I was, you know, brought up
in the same cold war, that youcan't trust the Russians.
You know, you know the enemy,you know.

(49:43):
So there's that prejudicethat's always there.
Um, and I was just gobsmackedthe the positive reports that
just flowed back were incredible.
Well, almost from day one.
And now today, fast forward totoday, you guys have a Dr, bill
Lawrence, who operates inAtlanta, georgia, and he has now

(50:09):
something somewhere approaching300 patients in his clinical
studies, nearly all of whom aremedical doctors.
Don't ask me how that happened,but it's true.
And he's got them on a wholebunch and he's he's got them on
the original russian protocolsand he's monitoring them for all

(50:29):
sorts of stuff.
And two of the things he's veryinterested in is telomere
length and dna methylation withthe so-called horvath clock,
which could be the single mostimportant accurate biological
age measurement what is that?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
how does that work?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
well, basically, well , I I can't tell you exactly how
it works because I'm not intotesting myself, but the DNA is
changing, like everything else,and it's adapting.
All the cells in our body aregoing through a growth, a static
, a dying stage, right, exceptcancer cells, because they won't

(51:10):
stop dying.
Right, that's what cancer is.
Right, except cancer cellsbecause they won't stop dying.
Right, that's what cancer is.
But the normal process is isgrowth and then perhaps a
resting period and thenapoptosis, where they die.
And one of the problems withaging actually is we.
We have too many senescentcells floating about as we get
older, in other words, deadcells, right.
And another big aspect ofanti-aging is how do we get rid

(51:33):
of the dead cells, right, that'sanother, another topic.
So what Professor Horvath saidwas that Most by I should start
most biological age measurementscan be very varied.
It could be how elastic is yourskin?

(51:54):
What's your eyesight like what?
How much dhea are your adrenalglands producing, right?
Um, it could be very varied.
And sometimes you get a markerand they might say to you oh,
your biological age for skinelasticity, you're 10 years
younger than your chronologicalage, and you go oh, wonderful,
everyone wants to hear that, butyou don't want to hear.

(52:16):
You're 10 years older, right,or what?
Or one year older, for thatmatter.
So there can be quite largevariances, but when it comes to
dna methylation the variancesare really quite small.
But what stephen hall varthahas been saying is even a small
change could have a big impact.
Okay, so even say being oneyear younger on a DNA

(52:40):
methylation, you might think, oh, not very good, I'm 62 and my
DNA methylation age is 61.
Not that impressed, but itcould have a huge impact on
longevity.
And what I find interesting isthere are some police forces
around the world now who areusing this.
So they go to a crime scene.

(53:00):
They find some blood, let's say, and it's from the perpetrator,
the alleged perpetrator.
What can they tell from theblood?
Well, if they haven't got thatperson's dna on file, they don't
know who they are, obviously.
But they might not.
They'll know their blood group,they'll know um, they'll know
their sex, they'll know a fewbasic things.

(53:21):
But now, when they use the dnamethylation test, they know
their age, they know plus orminus six years how old this
person is.
So suddenly they're going to,they're going to say, right,
we're looking for a caucasianmale, you know blood group a,
who is between 30 and 35 yearsold.
So it's given them a new armory.

(53:45):
But you can reverse your dnamethylation and that's what bill
lawrence has been proving inhis patients.
But it's not massive amounts,it's not 20 years or anything
like that.
But, as I've already said,horvath says that even small
changes can have and that's inboth directions can have
significant impact.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
All right, all right.
So we've got thesebioregulators then in their
organ and tissue specific andthey can survive the digestive
system because they're suchshort chains of amino acids
versus.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
And because they're nano sized, they don't act
through a receptor, they actdirectly on the.
Oh, ok, and the Russians havethe most incredible.
Only time in a lecture hall Ihad to put 3D glasses on,
because they have the mostincredible 3D where they show
the DNA and they show thepeptide.
It's almost like a key going ina lock and then a reaction.

(54:44):
So yeah, quite incredible.
And is that their power?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Is that they're directly acting with the DNA,
versus when we think of likehormones.
Those are dealing with areceptor site, so it's sort of
an indirect process, exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
How far downstream?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
are you Okay?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
You know these are at the top right and of course,
you're very specific.
So let's say you've got akidney issue or you want to
support your kidneys, you takethe kidney peptides.
It's really not going to doanything else.
It got and and and.
Where it gets really crazy,right?

(55:22):
I always use this analogy.
Let's say you're a bodybuilder,a male bodybuilder, and once
again you want to push yourtestosterone through the roof
and you take the testes peptideand I always tell them won't do
anything for you, nothing at all.
I said because you've alreadygot too much testosterone in you
from other reasons.
Right, and that it will knownot to activate your own natural

(55:47):
production.
In fact, it could even negateit.
So, but if you want to stay inthe normal healthy range, like
most people probably do, then itwill actually.
Somebody once said this to meand I thought, yeah, that's a
good way.
It's like an adaptogen.
In fact, I'm gonna throw thistheory.
I've only said this a couple oftimes.

(56:08):
Why do certain plants act asadaptogens?
Question do they contain thesepeptides?
Oh, yeah now they do.
They did these becauseCavendish did a study.
The last thing I saw him do washe showed a study from Tel Aviv
where they'd given strawberriescertain peptides and those

(56:33):
strawberries produced 20 to 30percent more fruit than the same
strawberries that weren't giventhe peptides.
So these peptides are universal.
They are in plants, they are inanimals, they are in us
fascinating.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
So what like, what kinds of?
I know you mentioned liketestosterone, but like if
somebody is having, we have tobe careful on how we like
express this, because root causehealing is something very
different than, like wementioned, the one pill for one
ill symptom model.
But if somebody is having aspecific you know, like you said

(57:09):
, a kidney problem or let's usemenopause as the example the
ovaries are struggling as awoman enters her 40s and beyond.
What can taking, say, theovarian bioregulator, do for
somebody who's not optimal inthat sense?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
bioregulator do for somebody who's not optimal in
that sense.
In cases of real issues, it'soften best to, of course,
combine some more peptides.
It's not normally one peptideis going to just do that.
So let's take the ladies andthe menopause as an example.
One of the things that's wellknown, of course, is that that
the ladies adrenal glands getoverworked as a compensation.
So I would say to those ladiesmake sure you take the adrenal

(57:56):
peptide right to support youradrenals.
You don't want them burnt outright, um.
And you could also, of course,take the ovarian, the ovary
peptide, and what it will do isit will help you to generate
some more estrogens andprogesterone and, um, I have
heard of a few cases of umbleeding starting again.

(58:18):
Okay, now, some ladies lovethat, some ladies hate that, but
, but you pay your money.
It takes a choice.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
On that note, I'll just say, like that's a marker
of youthfulness.
I really I have a hard timeunderstanding the women who are
like so grateful for it to beover, like we're just we're,
we're welcoming the agingprocess at that point.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Like I'm like, let's hang on to this as long as we
possibly can.
So no, it's such an obviousanti aging effect, isn't it?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
it's your body saying we're still young and fertile.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
And of course, that's also helpful for those people
who haven't given up on wantingchildren, which is an enormous
problem.
Today, right, infertilityclinics are popping up all over
the place, you know so, for bothmen and women, of course.
Over the place, you know so,for both men and women, of

(59:14):
course.
Um, so yeah, so that would.
So we have actually published alittle bit on this.
We put about 20 problems downand professor cavernson gave us
three peptides for each one.
There was one peptide that wassynergistic every single time,
and that's the blood vessel time.
Okay, now that's perhaps notthe world's biggest surprise,
because if you're improvingblood flow, you're improving the

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supply of material nutritionand the removal of waste.
So that's pretty obvious,perhaps.
But but so that?
So somebody with menopauseproblems?
Probably three peptides.
You're probably looking atadrenal, ovary and blood vessel.
So that's pretty typical, and Ican talk about dosages in a

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minute.
Of course, it's always good towork with a health professional.
There may be aspects, andthere's something also I should
also mention, and I like usingthe thyroid as an example,
because it's quite an easy oneto take and a lot of people have
fire problems older people,right, it's common, as as

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adrenals are as well.
That's common too, and thereare some peptides where people
are on for one or two or threemonths and they come back and
they go wow, it's really makinga difference.
And I would suggest that theadrenals and the thyroids are
two of them, and so most peopleare hypothyroid.
In other words, they're notquite producing enough thyroid

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hormones.
One caveat here you have tohave the gland.
If you've ever had athyroidectomy and your gland's
been removed, don't bother withthe peptide.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Because the peptide's just supplying information to
the organ, so if the organ's notthere, it can't supply the
information.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
As a man they are my pronouns, which is why I've got
this beard um, um, you know, Ican't.
There's no point in me takingthe ovary I haven't got one,
it's not gonna do nothing.
And, eugen, there's no point inme taking the ovary I haven't
got one, it's not gonna donothing.
And you, jen, there's no pointin you taking the testes or the
prostate one, right?
So we'll just get that out ofthe way.

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I'll skip those ones.
So save your money, right?
So?
But take the thyroid as anexample.
Um, if you if, as I say, youdon't you need that, you need
the gland in the first place.
Um, if you're hypothyroid, itwill help you make more thyroid

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hormones.
And, principally, there are fourt1, t2, 333, although I know
only two are focused on t3,forget about the other two but,
really weirdly, if you'rehyperthyroid because you've got
too much thyroid going on, itwould deactivate, silence the
genes and actually bring yourlevels down.
That's where it gets reallyweird and crazy.
Um, but that's just the way itis and of course, you can add,

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uh, other other things into themix if you, if you so wished.
What was I going to say aboutthat?
Because thyroid is quite easyto work out.
How you're doing, all you do isyou take your temperature first
thing in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, I don't think most people know that, though
it's literally the thermostat ofthe body.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, it is Absolutely, and it's involved in
so many things sleep and energyand well-being and all sorts of
stuff.
But you know, I often meetpeople and I shake their hands
and you've got cold hands andwe're not.
It's not a cold environment,you know, it's whatever.
Yeah, I've always got coldhands and feet.
I said, if you check yourthyroid out, it's a classic

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symptom, absolute classicsymptom.
But you can just get up in themorning, take your temperature
and don't do that just once, youknow.
Do it several times and look atwhat number comes up the most.
There'll be small differencesbut you'll be amazed how close
they are.
Now I'm going to talk celsius.
So anyone that's usingfahrenheit, get the camera out.

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Your healthy thyroid is between36.3 and 36.7 celsius.
Right, if you're between thosenumbers regularly, well done.
But if you're under thirty six,point three, and you might even
be in the thirty fives, you'rehypothyroid.
You need a boost, right.
But remember one thing yes, thepeptide will give the

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instructions, but it will stillrequire the materials.
Think of it like a buildingsite.
You go to the building site andthe workmen are there.
The gaffer, the boss, he hasn'tturned up, so there's no one to
give them instructions.
So they're standing there withthe cement and the sand and what
have you, but there's no onethere to instruct, so the job

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don't get done, right?
You've seen the link I'm makinghere between the peptide and
DNA, instructor and materialsand and, conversely, maybe the
boss turns up with the plans butthe guys aren't there with the
cement and the sand and all that, so he can't do it.
So in the case of the of thethyroid just to come back to
that one you know I would alsoalways, I would still recommend

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you eat an iodine rich diet,okay, because that's a principal
material that the body will useto make thyroid hormones.
So now you've got instructionsand you've got materials.
Something's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
So just bear that in mind it's a hand in glove
situation.
Yeah, we've got.
We've got the blueprints andthe building materials and
that's exactly that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
But also, you can be very specific with this.
You know this.
This is a target shoot approach.
This is not a shotgun approach.
You know and and but of course,you first.
But it doesn't really matterwhat you do, whether it's
exercise, eating, food, takingvitamin c you have to sit down
and say what are my weak points?
That's the place you have tostart.

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Otherwise, what are you goingto do everything?
Yeah, you're not.
Cost and convenience ruleseverything in this world.
So what am I weak?
And I say to people listen, doyou know what your weak points
are?
Yeah, adrenal glands aren'tthat good or whatever.
Fine, great, you've gotsomewhere to start.
That's terrific.
If you don't go and find out,go and have some tests, go and
speak to professionals or,failing that, what?

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What about family history?
What did mom and dad die of?
What did grandparents die of?
Right, maybe there's some cluesin the family history that
you're going to say yeah, that'swhere I need to focus.
So, but start there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
If somebody is already feeling pretty good and
doing all the things rightthey've got their diet dialed in
, they're active and they just,they just want to live their
best life and maintain this andimprove it as long as they
possibly can what would be likeyour top three bioregulators for

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them?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
yeah, yeah, no, certainly I, and I do have an
answer for that, and my answeris based on the very long-term
russian studies that were donein thousands and thousands of
people, and what they showed wasthat the folks who took and
we'll get to what they are in asecond, folks that took certain
peptides, compared to thecontrols, their counterparts who

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did not, but were takingvitamins as a placebo, yeah
Right, they had one third of themorbidity, one third and one
third of the mortality.
That's a huge number, huge,absolutely huge.
So imagine that you take thepeptides you've got 66 percent

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reduction in the chance ofhaving a disease and, and what's
more, you've got a 66 percentchance of not dying right so, um
or thereabouts, and cavensonreferred it as the biological
reserve.
He said every cell has a 30 to40 percent biological reserve in
it and that what the peptidesare doing is they're, as they're

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, encouraging it, activating it.
So it's, it's just sittingthere dormant until they get an
instruction, basically, and thatkind of pans out slightly in in
the average age, doesn't it?
If the average age of death inthe western world now is 80,
yeah, they're about, and but weknow that people could live to
120.
You know, we're still talkingabout 30, 40 percent, which I

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might just be a coincidence,could be, of course, right.
But so come back to yourquestion.
Sorry, um, there are three, Ithink, that stand out.
One is the pineal, um, and Ithink principally, it would
encourage your pineal gland tomake more melatonin.
That would be nice.
Okay, that goes down with aginganyway.

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I know you guys can go and buyit from Walmarts very cheaply,
but if you want to endogenously,naturally help your pineal to
make more melatonin, you can usea pineal peptide.
And also I think that is theone most responsible for
elongating the telomeres.
Okay, so that's another reasonyou'd want that one.

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The second one is the thymus,because by invigorating your
thymus and actually making ithelp to expand with.
It's a known fact that you can.
Actually there's a guy calleddr greg farhi who showed that by
using growth hormone, I thinkthat he could stop the
involution of the thymus andencourage more production of um,

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of uh, thymic hormones, whichare actually peptides.
By the way, it's a kind ofweird way it produces 13 thymic
hormones which are actuallypeptides, uh, but, of course, a
big boost for immunity.
If there's two things in thisworld if we want to really have
in my opinion that's the caveat,folks, it's my opinion if we
want to have extreme longevitylongevity sorry, I slipped up

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there, you know, with goodhealth there are two things in
this world we have to conquer.
I think, yeah, cancer andimmunity, infections, sepsis,
stuff like that.
Right, because what we've got,the tools we've got today, are
not that effective, right,really they're not that
effective and some of thoseconditions, particularly sepsis,

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can take people out in days.
Yeah, right, listen, heartdisease still remains just the
number one killer and, of course, the problem with the heart
disease is you feel fine in themorning and you're dead in the
afternoon, right, whereascancers generally creep up on
you and you usually got a chanceof treating them.
Exactly, I accept that.
And the third one?
So we've got the pineal, we'vegot the thymus, and the third

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one is blood vessels.
So, if you think about it, whatare you doing?
You're elongating yourtelomeres.
You're giving yourself bettersleep, because everybody makes
that mistake about melatonin itdoes not put you to sleep, it is
not a sleeping tablet.
However, when you are asleep,you will have much better,

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deeper sleep, and that's whereall the repair goes on.
So, and then you've got yourthymus, so you're boosting your
natural immunity to infections.
And then you've got your bloodvessel, which means you're
delivering nutrition better toyour cells and removing toxins
better for yourselves.
So, in my opinion, those arethree that everyone really

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should think about, if they, ifthey haven't got any other
issues on top of that.
What are doses?
Well, of course, when you getinto medical, generally speaking
, I'm going to do the 80 20 rule, right?
So, because there's alwaysexceptions, um, so the 80 20
rule.
If you've got a problem, taketwo capsules a day.

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Don't stop.
Well, don't stop, at leastuntil you see improvements.
Right, that's simple.
If you have a mild problem,take two capsules a day for 10
days every month.
Okay, that's all.
You do not need to keep repeat,repeat, repeat, because we're
just, we're just re-saturatingthe tissues with these signaling

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molecules.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
right, okay, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I should point out at this stage that there are two
types of these peptides.
There are synthetic versionsand there are natural versions.
The only ones I've been dealingwith are natural versions.
There's I've got nothingagainst the synthetic versions,
but there's a known fact thesynthetic versions, when you
take them, they don't last aslong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
When you take the natural versions, they last
longer and and these are beingsynthesized from animal tissues,
correct?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
In the main, yes, in the main, but there's always
exceptions, but, yes, it'snormally pigs or cows, normally.
Of course, the synthetic onescan be other sources more often,
but the natural ones come withtheir own matrix, so this is
only something I've reallylatched on to fairly recently.

(01:11:49):
So, actually, what we'relooking at when we have the
naturally extracted peptides yes, that will have the peptide
made up of two, three or four,in some cases up to six amino
acids, but there could beanother dozen or so amino acids
in, refer to that as the matrix,and I think that explains there

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, from ground zero, as it were,why they last longer.
Okay, okay, and now, if you'rea really fit person, you know,
and you're doing really reallywell, you could even reduce that
dose.
Two capsules a day, 10 daysevery three months, right?
So now you might be looking at80 capsules a year, and that

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really also makes them verydifferent to anything else out
there.
Right?
If you're into vitamin C, youknow you have to take it every
day, right, absolutely.
But with these peptides youcould use them as little as
every three months.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And that makes them a very affordable therapy as well
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
It does, it does.
If you want to get into pricing, it's not really what I do, but
to give folks out there becausethere are some enormously
expensive things out there.
I'm not going to mention names,but some of them are hundreds
and hundreds of dollars a monthor even thousands of dollars a
month.
Names, but some of them arehundreds and hundreds of dollars
a month or even thousands ofdollars a month.
What you're looking at withthese peptides typically is
about $40 a box.

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So a box is either going tolast you a month, three months
or, if you're doing itabsolutely every day, then
you're going to need three boxes.
So it's going to cost you atworst $120 a month, at best $160
a year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, that's incredible.
I think the power behind theseand the fact that they are you
can take them almost just as adietary supplement versus the
peptides, are incredible,especially if you know for
anybody who's listening, who'shad digestive issues and those

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ones that there's a lot ofpeptides in that realm that
actually are oral, orally dosed,that work quite well.
The power of these things, youknow, and I think the slowness
and the pushback we're seeing isbig pharma is trying to figure
out how they can corner themarket on this.

(01:14:18):
You know we're seeing that inthe weight loss peptides in
particular.
But I think there are powersthat be in that realm that
understand how powerful thesetherapies are and they want to
make the money.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
There are lots of people in the natural
nutritional world who are almostwaiting for this to happen.
Um, there are people pushingthe envelope a bit too hard.
I think some of the americanpeptides are injection only as
soon as you put, you could putvitamin C in a vial.

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If you call it injection,that's a drug right.
So certain people are not goingto be very happy about that and
also some of them believe it ornot.
On the actual label will sayresearch only, not for human use
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
I don't subscribe to that.
I don't think that's the rightway to do anything.
But that's why we've beensticking with the naturals,
because we have a very goodargument to say this is extract
of pig, Ergo it is a food.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Right, right, and I think that makes it also an
incredible starting point foranybody who is curious about the
power of peptides but is maybetrepidatious about the
injectable stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Can I just?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
point out something, Jen, if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I mean, there might be vegetarians out there or
Muslims or Jews who might say,well, I don't want this, or
muslims or jews who might say,well, I don't want this.
Um, the, the process ofextraction, um, and the correct
term is denatures them, so much,okay, and and there's no chance
of getting any diseases becausethe molecules are nano sized.

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You can only get a disease froman animal with a dalton size
molecule.
It's much, much bigger.
And the process of which, ofwhat of the, the peptides are
extracted, is filtrationprincipally, um, so there's no
chance of getting diseases.
Don't start thinking mad sure,sure anything like that.

(01:16:24):
But actually a lot of countrieshave accepted that because there
is no actual tissue in thepeptide and because there is no
actual DNA in the peptide.
Even the United Arab Emiratesie Dubai has accepted them on
the market.
Yeah, because they've said ohyeah, we know it started from a

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pig or whatever, but actuallythere is no pig left in it.
I'm a pig or whatever, butactually there is no pig left in
it.
So there, listen, that's peoplefor their own personal choice,
but I just thought it was worthmentioning.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Um, I'm a big proponent of no cital eating.
I spent 26 years as avegetarian, which did not do my
body any favors.
Um, and we were kind of talkingabout, you know, earlier,
studying different peoples ofthe world to understand, you
know, what removing modern lifewould actually yield for us.
And the Weston A PriceFoundation is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Weston A Price was a dentist who traveled the world
and went to so many differentindigenous.
Yeah, I know it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Just amazing and I think you know, maybe this is
part of getting you know.
He said I'm we're sorry to saygetting getting back to our true
nature and how we were intendedto to eat and wasn't it western
price when?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
because when was he around?
It was quite a long time.
Yeah, it was the early part andhe went out to some native
tribes I can't remember wherethey were and he realized
because they were eating thenecks of the animals.
Yeah, none of them had thyroidproblems.
Right, and again, come back towhy.
Well, maybe, listen.

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Organ extracts have been aroundsince the year dot.
We all know, and they stillhave value there's, and we all
know that even eating organmeats you know that eating a
liver or something can, canbenefit people, but it may also
be that they're ingestingpeptides.
But of course, we've moved inthe modern world.
We've become so fussy, haven'twe?
Organ meats?

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I'm not going to eat a kidneyor a liver or or any of these
things, you know.
And I, I only eat the whitemeat of a chicken.
You know what are we missingout on?
Our forebears?
They had to, as as a matter ofcourse.
They had to eat the wholeanimal, make a soup out of it,
use the bones, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
So you know what benefits werethey doing for themselves in

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terms of that health, exactly,exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
And I think this is where, like maybe the
time-honored traditions of those, those nutritional and dietary
practices, is meeting modernwestern technology.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Well, not even western technology, but um
modern technology there's a guyin london, his name's professor
paul clayton.
He's a serious man.
He was head of the RoyalCollege of Medicine for many
years.
He did a study you can look himup and he did a study some
years ago where he went in, himand his university students.

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They went into the Londonlibraries because we've got good
records going back to you know,1800 and frozen stiff.
So he was able to extract a lotof data and he came to a
shocking conclusion, and thatwas that mid-Victorians and
these were people that wereliving sort of 1830 to 1850,

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that sort of time period,providing they got through their
childhood, right, because a lotof childhood deaths, of course
in those days they lived as longas us and everyone thinks, no,
there can't be, because thelongevity curve is going up.
Well, not anymore, it isn't,it's actually starting to
plateau.
But but there wasn't.
There was a blip and then itwent down and then it rise up.

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So he came to a number ofconclusions why did the
mid-victorians, why would theyand why was this?
Why then was there a dip fromsort of 1860 onwards and then
come out?
Well, that's whenindustrialization started, and
the uk, as you know, was thefirst country to industrialize.
And so if you were in 1830 um,there were no gym memberships in

(01:20:31):
1830, right?
Um, because you had to walkeverywhere, unless you're a rich
man and you owned a horse, youwalked everywhere all the time.
A docker, a manual laborer onthe docks, was expected to work
six days a week, would only getsunday off, right, and they were
expected to move two tons a day, right, physical work was

(01:20:57):
incredible.
Um, the clerics, uh, go todickens.
They were called computers, um,okay, so what we had?
You had white collar workers inthose days.
Well, yeah, nobody sat down,they stood behind their desks
and also, they had these hugeheavy ledgers to carry and

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they'd go and they'd copy, youknow.
So that's so even they would do.
And of course, they'd stillwalk to work and walk home again
.
So they were quite physicallyfit.
And then the food well,everybody was eating organic
right it's pretty obvious,everybody was eating with the
seasons.
You know, you couldn't.

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You couldn't actually bringstrawberries in from bolivia,
you know, or whatever.
So, um, and also, how did theycook?
They could not cook at hightemperatures.
They had what we call a Dutchoven.
It's basically a slow cooker.
So the meats and things likethat, it was like doing a

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casserole.
You know, everything was slowcooked and not at high
temperatures.
So well, so what?
Well, you don't break the bonds, you don't lose as much
nutrition.
You know, if you want to zapyour food in a microwave, well,
good luck.
But you know, just be aware ofwhat you're doing.
Slow cooked food is a good wayto go.
So all these things mount upand gave them the same age of

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death as we have today.
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
and I think too in the in the terms of like.
So many people make theargument that people are living
longer today.
It's the average that's longertoday.
But when we factor in childhooddeaths and accidents and what
we now call infectious diseaseand that's a little bit more
complicated than what modernentities are having us believe

(01:22:51):
those are the things that arebringing the average down.
But the longevity capacity thatthose people have may have been
longer than what we are nowbecause they weren't dealing
with the chronic diseases thatwe're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
There are still reports of Roman senators living
well into their 90s and even100s.
You know, extreme longevity hasbeen around since recorded time
.
Ok, you could say the numbersare greater, but then the whole
population is greater.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
So as a percentage of the population.
You know it's which way youlook at the statistics.
I think.
But, um, no, there's a lot.
I'm a firm believer.
I don't think we're going tocheat death.
I don't believe.
And I think people who gethooked up I don't want to wake
up every morning thinking, am Igonna, am I going to see the

(01:23:45):
next day?
I think that's prettypsychologically a bad place to
be.
Um, let's make the best of ourtime, but I do believe we can
live much longer and in a decentI.
I say to everybody my goal isthree things lucid, agile,
independent.
Listen, I know there are peopleout there who want to look like

(01:24:06):
brad pitt or angelina Jolie,and good luck to them.
Personally, I'm not intotattoos, but you know that's
fine If that's, if that's yourgoal, then fine.
But really, when you askanybody who's of extreme age,
what do you wish you had?
It's generally those threethings.
I wish my memory I could have.

(01:24:35):
I wish I was agile enough that Icould go backwards and forwards
to the toilet and not asksomebody to help me in bed and
blah, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
It gets very basic right.
Absolutely so, wouldn't that bewonderful.
Absolutely I'm with you umbefore we wrap up, I know you've
got some good information onthe pineal gland and studies
that have been done on melatoninand I'll just say kind of back
to our water conversation.
I don't know what the waterquality is like in the UK, but
in the US most municipal watersupplies are fluorinating the

(01:25:00):
water and that's a huge problem,particularly for the pineal
gland and the calcification ofit.
So that on of itself is a goodreason to get a good water
filter, use a good source ofspring water, and we know that
the pineal drawing from Easterntraditions, we know that the

(01:25:22):
pineal gland is representativeof the third eye and of our
physical connection to source,if you want to call it that,
yeah, what are some otheradvantages to say, using one of
these pineal gland bioregulatorsand its potential for maybe

(01:25:45):
even things we don't understandyet.
But we can measure themelatonin stuff maybe even
things we don't understand yet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
But we can measure the melatonin stuff.
Well, the pineal is a veryweird gland, if I can call it
that.
It's it's if you, if you, thebindu is the Hindu mark in the,
in the.
So if you were to draw astraight line from the bindu to
back over the top of your ears,the center of your brain, that's
the, the pineal gland, right inthe center of the brain, it's

(01:26:13):
about pea sized.
Um, so it's not big, it's notvery big.
It does produce some otherstrange chemical like dmt and
some other strange stuff.
Um, everyone knows I think aboutmelatonin in response to
darkness.
The russian studies, morerussian studies, have shown that
there are crystals within itthat react to lunar light.
And when you think about it,our forebears, they've just been

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roaming across the plains andthey've been eating some berries
.
They found on a bush and nownight's come and they haven't
got back to the cave, so webetter have a kip under this
tree.
It's pretty obvious.
The lunar light and the starlight.
We didn't want it impacting oursleep, so it doesn't.
But of course other sunlightdoes, of course.

(01:26:57):
So the moment you get out ofbed and you open the curtains
and the sun comes in.
That's when your melatoninlevels come right down out of
your blood.
Okay, there are other lights inthe bedroom, of course, that
are really bad news, like,especially, um, red lights.
So if you've got any flashing,blinking fire alarms or whatever
it is, take them up, becausethey they will destroy your own

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natural production of melatonin.
The only other way around them,of course, is to wear a
blindfold.
You know, if your partnerinsists on reading a book,
watching tv, then you have towear a blindfold or leave the
bedroom.
That's the only other way.
So there's some really strangestuff about the pineal gland and
, as I've said to you I think Ialluded earlier, people like
Walter Pierpoli think it's acounter, so it could be a death

(01:27:42):
clock.
Oh great, one, two, three, four, it could be.
It's only a theory.
So, no matter what state you'rein, and there are instances of
people who are seemingly veryhealthy who suddenly check out
and die in two or three weeks,and you think, well, how did
that happen?
You know, so that's a nasty one.
But you know, if there is acounter, maybe you can delay it,
maybe you can slow it down,maybe you can reverse it.

(01:28:04):
We don't know, of course.
So, um, what else can we sayabout the pineal gland caught me
up.
If anyone wants to get in alittle bit more on the,
obviously I would suggest youread books by walter pierre
paulie.
But we did write two booksabout the peptide for the public
this one here on amazon, ofcourse, peptide bioregulator

(01:28:25):
revolution.
We came up with that russianposter for it.
That gives you the backgroundto get into this.
And then we produced anotherone, although it's not just
peptides, it's other things.
We call this one the eyesightsaviors, but there's a whole
chapter in there on how peptidesare really helping with serious

(01:28:45):
eye problems, eyesight problemsand that's a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I mean, that is, that is the one place whereas people
start aging.
You know, you notice that handsup.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Who wants to lose their eyesight?
no I don't think so I'm talkingof all the senses, if we, if, if
some bizarre situation, theysaid I'm, but you're going to
have to lose one sense.
What do you want?
Do you want to be taste, smell,sites?
Nobody's going to say siteisn't going to be on the bloody
list, is it?
But so there's a lady and hername is professor Svetlana, and

(01:29:22):
she runs the tree of life clinicin St Petersburg and she
specializes in eyesight, okay,and she uses a lot of the
peptides and they.
They treat all kinds of things.
They cataract, maculardegeneration, etc.
Um, glaucoma, um, but shetreats one thing that,

(01:29:45):
thankfully, is rare but to thebest of our knowledge, there is
not another place in the worldthat can do it and it's called
retinitis pigmentosa and it's agenetic disease and you
basically go blind, it justgradually go blind, and I've
seen, um, uh, topological infact they're in the book

(01:30:10):
photographs.
I should really find them.
So what you're looking at, you'dbe looking at the back of an
eye, like that, and the colorswould indicate how the eyesight
was.
So if it was green, normal.
If it was yellow, impaired.
If it was red, poor, reallypoor.
If it was red, poor, reallypoor.
If it was black, none right.

(01:30:32):
So there's now.
You know, whatever you'retreating in this world, the
longer you wait to treat it, theless likely you get a good
outcome.
You know, if you're on the pathto alzheimer's, you don't
really wait 30 years when you'venow got it extreme, to do
something about it.
Right, it's true of everything,but there was one lady that she

(01:30:55):
and she's not the only one, butthere's one lady in particular.
I can't she quite only can'tremember her precise age, but
when they did the initial scanshe was like 90 percent blind,
90% blind in that eye.
So when you saw this, it wasvirtually all black, some red,

(01:31:15):
some yellow, right, she?
If I remember rightly, she wenton a combination of peptides.
I will admit some of these wereinjected.
There's a retina peptide rightnow.
In this case they injected itinto the orbit.
So this is the the bit aroundthe eye, not into the eye but

(01:31:35):
into the skin, subcutaneously,little pinpricks like that do
about a dozen, and that happenedover 10 days and then she came
back, I think six months later,and then, while she was away
from the clinic, they would giveher a number of oral peptides
to take her home.
Okay, I think it was about twoyears 18 months to two years, if

(01:31:58):
I remember rightly and theyre-scanned her and she went from
being 90 percent blind to 30percent blind.
Right now that may not sound tosome people out there as the
miracle cure they all expecting,but the fact that somebody can
reverse retinitis anybody outthere with retinitis pigmentosa
they probably want to getthemselves on a plane to saint

(01:32:19):
bruceburg, um, because there'sno other place in the world that
can do that and that's peptidesit's I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
We're just on the brink, you know, I think some
people think it looks just liketrendy at this point because
it's newer to most of us.
But the potential for whatthese molecules have to do is
just you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
And if it can put big pharma out of a certain amount
of business, I'm all for that aswell, but um a lot of what I
face is when I come up with newstuff, they say well, yeah, phil
, but you know you've got towait and see.
You know how safe it is.
The only time that you canspeed it up, as if it's called a
vaccine, but the um.

(01:33:02):
So I say yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I said, just remember onething the russians have got data
, got data since the 1980s andthey've got a lot of data and
thankfully now much of it is inEnglish.
Not all of it, I'll admit that,not all of it, but you know.
So actually you can say it'sbeen used on millions of people,
people over decades and there'snever been any serious side

(01:33:26):
effects.
So you know what are youworried about?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.
And thankfully we've now gotAmerican doctors like Bill
Lawrence, who are you and hisother doctors in his network,
who are using them.
So, and that gets rid of thatCold War.
You can't trust the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Russians Right right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
I often say well, you don't trust the Russians.
Do you trust the Americans?
Right?
Trust the Russians.
I often say, well, you don'ttrust the Russians, do you trust
the Americans Right?
Normally stops that argumentanyway.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I wanted to touch on one otherthing with the pineal gland and
the melatonin.
I think there was a study I'veheard you talk about with cancer
and using large amounts ofmelatonin.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Yeah, that is American, pure American.
There was a professor can'tremember his first name, reiter
with an R, r-e-i-t-e-r Germanway, professor Reiter, from
America, and he and his teamdiscovered that tumors only grow
in the daytime.

(01:34:33):
They do not grow at nighttime.
So that's interesting.
So why?
So the most obvious answer wasis it melatonin?
Because melatonin is onlypresent in the blood in darkness
.
There's very little melatoninin blood.
Inin is only present in theblood in darkness.
There's very little melatoninin blood in daylight.
So is it?
Is it that?

(01:34:54):
Could it be that?
So a number of guys, uh,foremost led by a um, frank
schallenberger dr frankschallenberger, again, look up
frank, he's on youtube, uh, andhe has a clinic in um Carson
City I think Pretty sure it'sNevada anyway and he started

(01:35:16):
following Professor Wright'swork and he started giving his
patients somewhere between 180and 240 milligrams of melatonin
in the daytime.
Now anybody who's triedmelatonin out there might say
yeah, yeah, I took sixmilligrams and I would say the

(01:35:36):
average dose is around threemilligrams.
Most folks who go to bed wantto improve their sleep.
Blah, blah, three, that's whatI take.
I take three milligrams youmight take six, but I really
doubt if you take much more thanthat.
Some people take only one,which I think is a bit.
It depends how old you are,right, depends on a number of

(01:35:57):
things, but I think that's a bitpersonally.
But so to suddenly start sayingwhat?
60 milligram capsules which iswhat they are, and they take one
in the morning, one in theafternoon, one in the evening
and then sometimes one at bed aswell, you think, well, why
aren't they zonked out?
Because a lot of people whooverdose on melatonin.

(01:36:18):
So I feel real drowsy in themorning.
There's a real simple way tocure that go outside and get
some sunshine and it'll clear upreal quick.
Go and have your coffee in thegarden, right, um, it'll clear
up real quick.
Um, there are things thatsuppress melatonin production.
I just mentioned one, actually,which is coffee, but that's
another another story.

(01:36:39):
And also, really, conversely,the more sunshine and the more
vitamin d you make in the day,the more melatonin you'll
produce at night.
That's another one.
Um, so what frank and hispeople have been doing?
They've been giving theirpatients very high dosages of
melatonin and my understandingis they have slowed down.
I wish I could put my hand onmy heart and say they've got rid

(01:37:02):
of all the tumors.
But my understanding is thatthey've dramatically slowed the
rate of cancer down and maybe insome cases have stopped the
growth of the tumor.
So that's a step in the rightdirection so you know.
So how.
And again, not only is itsimple, but, as you well know,
melatonin is cheap right right.

(01:37:23):
So as long as you get a goodquality one, of course I would.
I would say but, um know, goand look up Frank Schallenberger
, and you know, I did say to himonce.
I said to him I said, Frank,you're the biggest name in
anti-aging.
And he said thank you, Phil.
I said it's 17 letters, isn'tit?
Yes, he has a long name.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, Well, I think that speaks volumes.
Yeah, you know, I think youknow.
This is kind of how we startedoff this conversation, but I
think the struggle with where weare at this point in time is
empowering people with theknowledge and curiosity of how
their own bodies work, and whatyou just stated is, I think, a

(01:38:08):
wonderful testament to whatsupporting your own pineal gland
can do in the long term yeah, Iget it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
It's a pain in the ass because or us, if you prefer
, because you know we're allbusy leading our lives.
Whatever you do in your life,whether you're an architect or
you know, a chef or I don't know, whatever your formula one
driver, whatever you do in yourlife, that's your life.
You've got your families,you've got your friends, you've
got all those things around, andthe last thing you want to do

(01:38:38):
is go and learn something thatis not in your field.
Yeah, right, because health andmedicine is a field, of course,
in its in its own right, butunfortunately, because it's the
most important thing we've allgot, because if we haven't got
our health, what do we haveexactly?
I always liken it to when youget on an aircraft and they say
to you if these masks fall down,put yours on first before

(01:39:02):
helping others, becauseobviously, if you haven't got
low oxygen, that's understandand I say that's what health is.
You have to keep your health,because if you don't keep your
health, how can you help thosearound you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
exactly so well.
Fantastic, this has been agreat conversation.
We'll probably have to have youback again sometime, but I
think this is a good primer onpeptides and bioregulators and I
hope that our listeners cantake the information that they
learned here, maybe lean into alittle more curiosity about it

(01:39:34):
to see how they can optimizetheir own health span as well as
increase their longevity.
So hopefully it'll take some ofthat information away from them
.
Phil, where can people find youonline and if they want to
explore bioregulators more, sure, our number one website is

(01:39:55):
anti-aging-systemscom.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
We've got loads on there because that site's been
up since 96, uh, so you won'tjust find peptides on there.
You're going to find a lot ofother stuff.
But if you use a search engineand look up peptide
bioregulators, you'll get intothat.
If that's only what you want toconstruct, a lighter site that
we offer free of charge is ourmagazine site, which is called

(01:40:21):
aging-matterscom and you canhave a free subscription.
And if you want to downloaddigital copies, they're free of
charge.
And again, we've got 10 yearsworth of magazines on there and
you can search, and obviouslysome of the magazines have
featured strongly featuredpeptides.
So you'll see me interview um,and we have a youtube channel

(01:40:44):
which is um, uh, what is it?
Anti systems.
And you'll see me interviewpeople, and you know, and in the
magazine I do, you know, I'veinterviewed Bill Lawrence, I've
interviewed Vladimir Kavinson,I've interviewed Svetlana
Trofimov and other people.
So you'll find a lot in there.
So, because all this is alearning curve, I know that, you

(01:41:08):
know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
I think that's the biggest obstacle is just
providing the education andpeople getting really curious
about their own bodies andhaving an awareness about it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
No, I totally agree and, as I say, it's a.
It's a pain in the ass becauseyou think I've got to take time
out of what I normally do to goand learn this, but but you're
going to hear a lot more aboutthis.
We're just cresting a wave atthe moment.
It's it's going to startpopping up all over the place, I
think absolutely, absolutelywell.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
We'll include those in the show notes and I so
appreciate you taking time outof your busy day to to come and
share your knowledge andexpertise all right pleasure, no
problem, thank you.

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