Self-Heal by Design with Barbara O'Neill

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Jen Mayo (00:00):
In this episode of the Body Literacy Podcast, I am
beyond related to share with youmy conversation with
naturopathic Dr Barbara O'Neill.
After being silenced byAustralian health authorities in
a modern-day natural medicinewitch hunt, barbara chose to
continue spreading the messageof self-healing internationally
by going on tour outside of theland down under.

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The health board's condemnationof her work turned out to be a
blessing in disguise when videosof Barbara's lectures went
super viral across social mediaplatforms, offering insight on
natural healing.
With its basis and biblicalteachings, barbara now educates
people around the world on thebody's intelligent design and

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its innate capacity to self-heal.
Her work honors a paradigm ofmedicine that exists outside of
the disaster management model ofallopathic medicine, where
patients are in fact in chargeof facilitating their own
healing.
Barbara's work is part of agrowing movement of sovereignty
and self-empowerment in health.

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When we honor the laws ofnature and understand that
health is not something someoneelse can do to us, we are able
to reclaim the health, happinessand vitality that is our
birthright.
The body does not lie and thereis no man-made authority
capable of silencing its truth.
Barbara is a gift to those ofus ready to take self-ownership

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of our own health.
Welcome to the podcast.
Barbara, I'm glad to be here.
Yes, thank you so much.
So your content and educationalplatform has really caught
wildfire on social media latelyand I think it's very timely,

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certainly with the state of theworld as it is right now, and I
kind of wanted to start out theconversation.
I think this will resonate withyou.
I recently came across aRussian word called Krivda.
That means it's a Russian wordthat means crooked truth,
essentially, and I think thereis a lot of things happening in

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the world with regards to howdeceit is playing out in the
landscape, especially in theworld of health, and I know you
probably have some opinions onthis yourself, and I was hoping
you could share with us yourstory about how you left
Australia.

Dr. Barbara O'Neill (02:34):
I certainly agree with you.
It's a strange word, crookedtruth because truth is just
truth.
But I agree with you, there's alot of deception.
I like the word you use,because deception is not as it
seems, and if it was a straightout lie, people would see it.

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But the problem is it comes inan area of deception which is
not as it seems.
So I'm going to give you areally quick background, and
that is so.
Just picture me in a rainforestwith my six children, a long way
from a hospital and learningsimple natural remedies and also

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being deterred from medicinebecause of my daughter's
experience.
We're at my first child, sixweeks and four courses of
antibiotics later.
I thought I don't want to dothis.
The iraq kept coming back, sothat, really, that plummeted me
really into the world of herbsand it was exciting seeing that.

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The American red Indians theyhad a lot of things.
And at 26, I asked the old ladynext door to me.
She was 85.
I said what did your mum dowhen you had an iraq?
She said onion pulses.
So really that was the start.
I've just turned 70.
So this was when I was 25.

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So this is the time Lime we'relooking at.
So in a rainforest with all mychildren.
I say to people I tried lots ofthings on them and they all
survived.
They're all strong and healthyand doing it to their own
children today and helpingothers, which practical
education is the best type?
To my children it's as easy assitting down and eating a meal,

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as putting a poultry sign.
It's just what they werebrought up with.
And so then I married myhusband, michael, 25 years ago
and he said to me I hate healthlecture.
Wow, going into being a healthdirector.
It was a little daunting for me, but when we started our
retreat the first guest was one.

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I could handle that.
And then little by little, morecame.
But my want to help people, mywant to see people delivered
from you know really the chainsof disease which so many were,
and also seeing how the medicalprofession.
There was really no answers.
It might have these symptoms,but it never cured.

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And so, as I began to lecture,I found out the best way to
learn is to teach and, of course, many people coming to our
retreat every guest taught mesomething and so it was probably
about we're looking at 2011, 12, maybe we began to put my

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lectures on YouTube and that'swhen we basically went worldwide
and, before COVID, probably athird of our guests just about
overseas.
And then my husband began apolitical party and his
political party.
He probably began about 2015, Icould be wrong, but about there

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a few years before COVID.
Because he just he just saidwhat the government's doing is
against our constitution, sayingthat you can't put a child into
childcare unless they've.
That's wrong.
The government can't do that.
He said someone has to dosomething.
So he started his politicalparty and when COVID came, that

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mushroomed.
But what happened to me was justbefore COVID 2019.
And we really believe it'sbecause of Michael's political
party, because I maintain howthey.
How can there be a crime ifthere's no victim?
Right?
No one person has come forwardsaying this poultice hurt me and

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, by the fact is poultices,don't hurt you.
So that's all we can think of.
It is because the people thatput in complaints about me have
never met me, they do not knowme, they have never been to our
retreat and we know Michael hasinformation to show that.
You know a request went out.

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Can we have some volunteers totake this woman down?
Now Michael even showed thatrequest to the Healthcare
Complaints Commission that theHealthcare Complaints Commission
were being used.
You know, put me down.
But I think something.
I think directions came fromhigher, even above them, that I

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had to be stopped and so I wasbanned.
I received a life ban, whichwas a shock to me at first,
because all I ever wanted to dowas help people, to educate
people.
So it was a puzzle to me, but Iguess it was a political move
and I had to go through atribunal I call it the

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Inquisition where I wasquestioned for two hours by four
people and especially the headof the Healthcare Complaints
Commission.
You know it never worried mebecause I've done nothing wrong
and I have never claimed to healany disease.
And I'm politically correctbecause in any way I can't heal

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any disease.
The body and the body alone cando it.
But then they've used thatstatement to say Barbara says,
because the body can heal itself, you don't need to go to the
doctor.

Jen Mayo (08:12):
Which of?

course I've never said so.
They twist the words.
That's why I will not beinterviewed by most media
because they twist.

Jen Mayo (08:23):
Well, I'm honored that you're here with us.

Well.
I'm glad to be here.
I'm happy to make known thetruth of what happened to me.
And Malka said to the you knowwe're talking to the lawyer
after the tribunal and she saidI can't believe this.
They've got nothing on Barbara.
Now she sits through these allthe time.

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Malka said does that meanshe'll be free?
And the lawyer said oh no,she'll get a life ban, but she
won't go to jail, because if shewas guilty she'd go to jail.
That's justice, and there is nogovernment body higher than the
Healthcare ComplaintsCommission and we could go to

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court because it is so unjust,but that would start at $500,000
.
Well, we haven't got a spare$500,000.
So Malka said to me Barbara,you've got a choice.
You can retire and I wascertainly retirement age or you
can just go overseas.
And I thought you know, I feelgood.

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I feel as good as I felt in my40s.
I have as much energy.
I have more information in mybrain than I've ever had.
I have more experience in mybrain than I've ever had.
I think it'd be wrong to stop.
So I said to Michael I'll gooverseas.
And so in 2020, of course,everything was locked down.

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In 2021, I was away.
Nine months.
In 2022, I was away sevenmonths.
This year I'll be away ninemonths all in all.
And some people say don't youget home sick?
And I said oh, I don't allowmyself that.
I just love where I am.
And I also know and I thinkmost people realize this that I

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think that they're going to beshutting down things again soon.
So I just work while I can.

Jen Mayo (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, and I think oftentimes what we see as
a curse turns out to be ablessing, and certainly.
I think the attempts to silenceyou have turned into the
biggest explosion of yourinformation to disseminate to

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the masses.
It's almost like when they tellyou not to look somewhere.
There are those of us who knowto start looking there, that's
where we looked.

We laugh about it.
In fact, my mind finds it hardto comprehend what's happening.
I'm just glad the information'sgetting out there.
But there's a Psalm in theBible it's Psalm 146 that says
but the ways of the wicked Godcan turn upside down, and I
think that verse explains what'shappened.

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It's what they tried to do.
Has turned it upside downbecause they can't stop this
social media in Australia, whereI'm supposedly banned, that
I've got more exposure than I'veever had, Exactly.

Jen Mayo (11:31):
We should almost thank the Australian government for.

Well, my husband says he's thinking of
writing a letter to the HCCC andsaying thank you.

Jen Mayo (11:42):
Right, exactly, and we're kind of talking about
truth here and I feel like thebody doesn't lie and when we
honor the truth of the body, thebody will just rebalance
naturally and our spirits at thesame time follow suit in that
balance.
And I know you have atremendous message in terms of

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the connection between healthand spirituality and why those
go together and I often use theterm I like to call self-pathy.
We've got allopathy,naturopathy, and then we've got
self-pathy and I love howresonant your message is with
just empowering people with thetruth of their own body.

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Can you kind of expand on thata little bit?

You know, I love what you said and I'm
seeing it more and more.
And I'm in Maryland at themoment and speaking to about 250
a night and people come up andsay you saved my life.
One lady said to me last nightover 20 years I've been trying

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to solve this, from doctor todoctor to doctor.
She said I'll watch yourlectures and she said it made
sense.
I began to do it and I'mgetting results.
Do you know?
That is worth more to me than amillion dollars payment, really
and truly, just to see peopleregain their health.
It's actually retraining peoplebecause we've been trained from

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children Get sick, go to doctor.
Doctor gives pill, get better.
So we've handed health over todoctor and I think a lot of
people are seeing that it's notworking, so they're handing
health over to naturopaths.
That's why I haven't heard theterm self-pathie.
I love it.
Yeah, what about me?
You know I'm the one that livesin my body.

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I'm the one that only knows howit feels, only knows what helps
, what doesn't help, and one ofmy hardest things to do is to
convince people that they can doit.
They've just got to listen,please listen.
So I say have you ever been toa doctor that won't listen to

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you.
And everyone nodsenthusiastically oh, I say a
health professional.
I say don't be that doctor.
And then we get silence.
If your body speaks, you mustlisten.
And if you don't listen to thefirst whisper, the body will
start screaming.
And when it starts screamingit's doing damage.

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And I love that statement.
I got it out of a book calledthe Gift of Pain by Dr Paul
Brand.
My eyes were opened even morewhen I read that book two years
ago.
The gift of pain.
Pain has a purpose.
It's a signal.
It's saying excuse me, can youdo something?
Can you respond to me?

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And I was in a house a littlewhile ago and I love children, I
always watch children and inthe house there was a little
two-year-old boy and I'd see himgo up to his mother and say mum
.
And she said yeah, in a minute,in a minute, mum, mum, in a
minute in a minute.
She was busy, mum, mum.
And then he started crying andthen he starts screaming.
And I took this lady aside afew days later and I said very

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delicately if you would listento your little boy's first cry,
he would not get to screamingand crying.
She just looked at me and shesaid thank you.
I'm so glad she said thank you,I'm so glad she wasn't offended
.
But I was an observer and Ithought this is exactly what

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happens in human bodies Listento the first whisper and then it
won't get to screaming andsevere damage.
And when people come to me withsevere damage whoa, that's hard
.
They say how can I turn thisaround Around?
The first thing I say is it cantake a lot of work.
It's going to take a lot ofwork because the more serious

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the conditioned, the moreserious the steps to turn it
around.
But we live in an incrediblebody that is so merciful to us
and once given the rightconditions, we start to see turn
around.

Jen Mayo (16:17):
Yeah, exactly Exactly.
I often talk about how the bodyis sort of an antenna for
consciousness, but everything inthis industrialized Western
world is really fighting againstthe purity of the body and our
ability to sort of access higherstates of consciousness that I

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think many of our ancestors hadaccess to because they weren't
in such a polluted world.
And I think it's interestingwe're having this conversation
today because I'm starting afive day fast right now and I've
gotten very interested in sortof the historical context of

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biblical and scripture anddifferent indigenous cultures
use of fasting more in aspiritual context.
Obviously it had the benefitsthat maybe they weren't
necessarily specifically tryingto access for physical reasons,
but the ability to use fastingin a manner to heal the body and

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access higher states ofspirituality.
What can we glean from usingfasting as a healing tool and
that mechanism to connect tosomething greater than ourselves
?

We certainly can.
It takes about 1200 calories todigest a meal.
So when we're not not digestinga meal, it's like we've got a
whole lot of little workmenzooming around the stomach
saying what are we going to do?
I mean around the body sayingwhat are we going to do now?
And I like to think that weaccess that in fasting and I

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also give the illustration thatit's like being on holidays at
home, because every day we sweepthe floor and wash the dishes
and wash the clothes and makethe bed, but then in the corner
there's these papers piling upthat that's me or in the
bookshelf bookshelf.
Things are real.
The bookshelves are starting tolook a little bit like

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something's just been poked hereand there.
So on holiday, that's where wego.
We go to the parts that we justdon't have time on it.
We have our maintenance work.
And then there's that extra.
And because with digestion sucha lot of energy is required for
digestion, especially if peopleare eating all day long, which,

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of course, is what we do notadvise we advise the time is
strict at eating come from theintermittent fasting just eating
twice in six hours apart in a24 hour day.
So that's a great dailymaintenance, because you've
still got that time where thebody can do its maintenance on

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not only house cleaning but alittle bit extra.
And maybe if I had time,instead of just shoving the book
in the bookshelf, I'd say toput it where it's supposed to go
.
Do you know what I mean?
But the time is strict andfasting does do that.
But actually stopping foodtotally for a short period of
time, not only does our bodystart to look at cleansing and

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healing and of course it's beenused for centuries but also the
spiritual realm.
And you know, you're probablyaware that the hybridized weight
of today is causing a lot ofproblems and one of the most
common symptoms is brain fog.
So what's brain fog?
Brain fog is the opposite toclear mind.

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So a lot of the food thatpeople are eating today just
prevents the brain actuallygoing into areas where I believe
God meant us to go, the morespiritual areas.
So when you go to the otherextreme with no food at all, the
mind is so much clearer, somuch clearer.
And that's why I think monksand priests and the Bible

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certainly talks about it haveused fasting to get a clearer
mind, maybe a clearerunderstanding of God, a
communication with God.
So absolutely.
But on the other hand, forpeople that can't stop, can't do
the fast, they can implementthat time-restricted eating

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where they're still accessing atouch.
That so it's.
The brain and the body are veryclosely connected, and when the
stomach, particularly, isoverloaded which is happening a
lot today, hardly ever getting abreak then that brain fog.
And on top of that you put thefoods that have been hybridized,

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adding even more brain fog.
Wow, no wonder people don'thave time to think and they're
so busy that they just collapseinto the easy chair at night and
put the news on and, oh dear,then those messages come in that
almost seem to be designed tocatch them.
The brain isn't clear enough todiscern truth from error.

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And what happened in 2020, 2021.
It's not surprising that thatall happened, exactly, exactly.

Jen Mayo (21:30):
I like to say that the body is an ecosystem, not a
battlefield, but I think so much, especially as it's been very
highlighted in the last threeyears.
But the grand scheme of howallopathic medicine came to be
in the last 100 years or so hasreally taken this militaristic

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view of the human body which Ithink is very counterproductive
to how the body actually works.
And I know you have someopinions, certainly on microbes
and how we've been conditionedto go to a doctor and get an
antibiotic when you have alittle sniffle or whatever is

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going on.
Can you elaborate on, maybe,how we can approach a new
version or a new paradigm ofmedicine, because I think the
existing one isn't even fixable,that is much more gentle and
approaches the body as thisecosystem rather than something

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that we have to rage against?

Absolutely, I think, to layer a firm
foundation, so to speak.
The fact is, the body can healitself.
And then the question is well,why are people healing?
It's because the body will healitself if you give it the right
conditions.
And so the most sensible thingto do really is to look at how

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the body works, Because when youknow how the body works, then
you know how the body heals.
And you might have seen mylectures where I go to what I
call the CBD of the human bodyis the central business system,
which is the inside workings ofthe cell.
When you understand how thatworks, then you start to

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understand what the body needs,if you.
And then, when you understandwhat the body needs, you start
to understand how to work withthese healing processes.
And because we are all sodifferent, it's important to
listen.
And someone might say to meBarbara, I've been doing this
for so long, how long do I do itfor?

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And I say, well, as long as youneed to.
Well, how long is that?
So I say, well, are you gettingresponses?
And that makes me realizepeople have not been taught to
read their body, to look attheir body.
In fact, if you're getting aresponse.
The body's saying I like this,can you do?

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Can you keep doing this please?
And in Psalm 104, verse 14, theBible says God made herbs for
the service of man.
I love that verse.
So the herb comes in and sayswhere would you like me, what
would you like me to do?
Medicine causes a synergist, orworking with the needs of the
body.
And someone mentioned this tome recently and I think it makes

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sense.
Drugs are robots.
They've been programmed so theycome in.
There's no common sense becausethey're just robots.
They come in and they say I'vegot a job to do, whether you
need me to do it or not.
And that just defies reason forme.
That's why I say to people ifyou start using cane pepper and

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you're still gonna stay on, yourblood thinner, your blood's
gonna get very thin.
And one man said to me mydoctor said I've gotta stop
doing what I'm doing.
My blood's getting too thin.
I said what about stopping themedication?
What about stopping that bit?
Because you can take a bucketof cane pepper a day and you
will still not bleed to death.

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And I don't know anyone who'sgonna have a bucket of cane
pepper a day.
But it's just to use an extremeto show you that the difference
between herbs and drugs.
Herbs work with the body.
They work with that healingpower that God put in the body
and, of course, god made thebody, he made the herbs, so they

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actually work together.
And then there's the amazingwater treatments.
And what the water treatmentsdo is they move blood, and the
blood is actually the healerbecause it's the carry of oxygen
, the carry of nutrients, thecarry of water to the CBD.
So, understanding all of thatthey said that's how I like to

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lecture, to awaken in peoplethat everything they need is
actually in their body.
So when I got COVID in 2021, adouble man brought it to our
retreat and gave it to half thepeople.
Yeah, people said what did youdo?
I said nothing.
Nothing, cause I live in a bodythat can heal itself.

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I had a bad headache for thefirst day.
I had a high fever for the nexttwo days.
Praise God, I love fever.
Fever has a purpose.
I knew it was my friend.
They said what did you do?
I said slept a lot, drank a lot, ate hardly anything, and by
the third day I emerged a littletired.

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The fever's like climbingseveral mountains, no one around
tired.
So I like to do nothing becauseI know my body can do it.
And so people say what aboutivermectin?
I say well, I don't use drugs.
But if someone took ivermectinthat helped, I'd say good on you

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.
But it's actually not what Iwould do.

Jen Mayo (26:59):
I know I've heard you tell the story of Florence
Nightingale before and I thinkthat's like probably one of the
most perfect examples to explainjust how the body works to heal
itself if we just give it theright conditions.
Can you kind of, maybe briefly,tell us that story?

Oh yeah, I've read, I've got her books.
It's her main nursing book.
Is nursing what it is and whatit is not.
I love that title.
And when I went to I was inIndonesia and I was speaking oh,
this is probably 13 years agonow and I was speaking at a big

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university there and I went andlooked through the nursing
department and they had a bigpicture of Florence Nightingale.
They had one of her sayings andevery nurse had to memorize
that pledge Isn't that wonderful?
And I was talking to a nursewho was trained in about the
1930s or 40s and she said we hadto read Florence Nightingale's

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book.
I thought wow, isn't thatwonderful.
There's nowhere like that nowand you don't hear a lot of
Florence Nightingale because hertheory does not go hand in hand
with the germ theory.
And I love the way she wascalled to Scutari in 1854
because the death rate in thathospital the French and the

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British were fighting theRussians, the death rate was 50%
.
So when she came in she knewher limitations as a woman in
1854.
And so she contacted theBritish government and said we
need a sanitary commission.
So a group of men came and sheknew straightaway when they saw
the raw sewage in the corridors,that the whole hospital was

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built in a swamp, with a deadhorse and a dead dog in the
water, and the men were drinkingthat water.
She knew as soon as they camein things would happen, and they
did so.
They got men to get the deaddog and the dead horse out and
they started boiling the water.
Meanwhile, florence and hernurses began scrubbing.
They just scrubbed and scrubbedand cleaned.

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And she asked her father, whowas a very wealthy Englishman.
I think he'd had two or threeinheritances, and he actually
taught Florence, whereas a lotof young women in that time they
were not taught math, science,english.
Florence's sister was notinterested, but she was, so

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she'd had this previous trainingand you can see that God was
preparing this woman for amighty work.
No wonder they loved her.
And when she went back toLondon probably 14 months later,
but, by the way, within twomonths the death rate went from
50% to 2%.
See, all Florence did wascleaned up the place.

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We don't have infectiousdiseases anymore because people
wash their bodies every day,they wash their, they clean
their houses every day and Idon't know people that seem to
get that.
Did you know in 90, in I read,was in 1850, all the sewage from
London went into the Thames andthe people living in London
drank that water.
Now, that's not that long ago,that's 1850.

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And then of course, they Ithink Florence had a word in
that as well and they put anextensive sewage system under
the streets of London.
And because people don't knowtheir history, they don't
realize that the lack or theabsence of childhood diseases

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now is not due to the.
It's due to increased hygiene,sanitation and nutrition.
And that's all Florence did.
In fact, she didn't like that.
They called her a heroine.
She said all I did was clean up.
All I did was improve hygiene,sanitation and nutrition.
And we need to rememberFlorence's story because it's

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just as applicable today and forthe people that sadly don't
find out how dangerous thevagans are until their child is
damaged or dead, that's a very,very tragic way to find out.
Actually, it wasn't.

Jen Mayo (31:29):
Right, right, and I think most parents are just
trying to do what they think isbest for their child.
I mean, there's no illintention there at all, but I do
think there is some sort ofspiritual injury involved when
we've outsourced our own agencyand truth inside of our body to

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any external system or authorityfigure.
I think so much of it is a verymaladaptive like relationship
we've created with theseauthority figures.
Rather than trusting back tothat kind of word self-path
trusting ourselves.

You know, I absolutely agree.
Every parent that farts theirchild does it because they want
the best for their child.
There is no doubt about that.
And so it does get back to themind-body connection, and one
thing I've been saying probablythe last few months in my
lectures is that I am the masterof my destiny.

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I am the one that chooses whatgoes into my body and what
doesn't.
But to make that choice I needinformation.
I need information.
So I say to parents if you'rethinking of, go to the
pharmacist and ask for aprintout of what is in the and

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you will see for yourself theneurotoxins that are in the.
And you can also say to thedoctor I will vape my child if
you sign this paper, that youwill be accountable if there are
any side effects.
Now, if every parent did thosetwo things, simple things that
any parent can do there areexcellent books out there, but

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those two simple things and thenthey are seen for themselves,
for themselves.
Exactly what's happening here.

Jen Mayo (33:27):
Yeah, and I don't think most people realize.
In 1986, at least in the UnitedStates, we instituted an act
that indemnified allpharmaceutical makers from any
liability from that particularset of products, and that, right

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there, I think, speaks volumes.

It speaks volumes, because there is
nothing that you can buy thatdoesn't have a warranty Right,
or there's not accountability ifit doesn't work or if it causes
damage.
Do you know?
One of the things they saidwhen they started that was well,
we know these have problems, sowe're going to make this.

Jen Mayo (34:16):
Yeah, there's an acknowledgement, right, right,
right, you know.
And from the parentingperspective, I think we're all
trying to instill accountabilityinto our children.
So I think we have to set theexample with the relationships
we have with other adults andwith other entities and

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corporations and so forth, thatwe expect that same
accountability from thoseinstitutions that we would
expect our children to have.
And we're somehow creating thisopposing paradigm If we're not
setting that example with theintegrity we expect to come from

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these places.

That is so true and I say to parents you
know, it's very important thatyou expect accountability with
your children.
It's very important that youtrain them from cause to effect
so that they're ready for thatworld out there.
My children, my six children,were brought up in a rainforest.
They were brought up to thinkfor themselves.

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I brought the children up to beas independent as early as
possible.
Now they've all gone their waysnow and most of them are living
in cities, the boys attradesmen.
As soon as 2020 hit, they sawthrough it like glass and I
thought isn't this interesting?
These children that werebrought up in a rainforest, with

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no television, nothing otherthan just the bush, and basic
laws of life, understanding thatGod created an incredible body
that can heal itself and if abee stings us?
In fact, I saw it one day.
I was on the clothesline and Isaw the whole six children.

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The youngest was carried by oneof the bigger ones.
They all ran into the house andI thought I'd hide behind the
sheet because I was interestedto see what was happening.
I knew by their actions thatsomething had happened.
One child ran inside, come outwith a bowl, another child was
sitting there and they put thisstuff on a leg and when they'd

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all settled down you could seethem.
Sort of body language told methey were very happy with
themselves now.
So I came down and I said whathappened and they said oh, bee
sting.
They weren't looking for me.
I was so happy they were notlooking for me, they just had
the whole situation undercontrol.

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All six were part of.
Even the little one on the hipwas watching the whole thing.
I love that.
I love that.
And so fast forward to 2020,.
You know, I said to my sonPeter, you know, all the boys
are very well built.
I said to him how do you gointo the tradesman's store to

(37:08):
get your you know, yourmaterials if you have to wear a
mask, because they refuse towear masks?
He said, oh, I just walk in asif I own the place.
He's big, he just marches in.
He gets what he wanted.
It seems that no one wants totackle him.
Yeah, yeah.

Jen Mayo (37:29):
No, I think there's a lot to be said for just the
presence you carry.
I had the same experience withlocal stores too.
You just walk in and just actnormal and that's right, and
also also have a confidence.

There's a confidence in the truth, there's
a confidence in knowing thatthis is true.
I know how the body works, Iknow what hurts it, I know what
doesn't.
Um, there's a, there's awonderful confidence there.
I know, with people who've beentaken in by all of this,
there's not that confidence.

(38:04):
Yeah, there's not thatconfidence.
And when you're dependent onanother entity and that entity
is not a very reliable entity, Ican imagine that can be quite
scary, right?
And so people say to me Barbara, don't you, don't you worry
that they might try and take youdown, that someone might shoot

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you with a poison dart?
You know what I say?
Don't bother me at all, itdoesn't even enter my mind,
because I I know that God hascalled me to do this work, and
if God has a work for me, no mancan take me down.
But if God says tomorrow it'stime to go, barbara, I say thank
you, father, because I know thebest is yet to come.

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So so that's, that's aconfidence.
But at the same time I'm notpresumptuous.
I do my part so that my bodyworks.
I make steps to to make surethat I'm doing my part, because
even though God is a wonderfulGod and he spoke and the world
came into place, we still haveour part to play.

Jen Mayo (39:12):
It's interesting you say that I've kind of I've I've
undergone my own spiritual path,particularly in the last five
years since I watched my fatherpass away in a hospital ICU.
But in that time I kind of cameto realize, you know, I kind of
call atheism as almost thegreatest PSYOP that's ever been

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pulled over on people, becauseit's such a tool for instituting
fear.
And if you don't, if you thinkthat this is it and we're just
worm food and there's nothingafter it, you're very easy to
control.
But if you have a connection tosomething that's greater than
yourself you know whether thathas a religious context or not

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you're much less easy to control, right?

Oh, that's right, that's absolutely right.
In fact, on the first nighthere I put the two systems up on
the board.
The top of one is faith, thetop of the other is fear.
And you see it in black andwhite Fear.
We evolve, so we can't heal.
So we need a drug.

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And the drug cannot heal.
And the pharmaceutical companyis based on deception.
I think that most doctors areethical, I think most doctors
are really concerned for theirpatients, but the pharmaceutical
company is not.
And then, on the other side,we've got faith, faith in an
incredible body that was createdby God to heal itself.

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This is the truth.
And then herbs to actually workwith the body if we need a
little bit of help.
What a difference in the twosystems.
And there's actually.
It's actually one of the other.
So I absolutely agree with youon the fear factor.
And in 2 Timothy, 1, verse 7,the Bible says where God says

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I've not given you the spirit offear, but of power, love and of
a sound mind.
Now look at that sound mind.
A sound mind is assessing thepros and the cons, all the
information, and when you assessall that, there is no fear.
So there's polar opposites andGod's government is a government

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of freedom and freedoms basedon free choice.
And if someone says to me, Ichoose to get, I say to them I
respect your choice, pleaserespect mine.
Right, exactly, it's as simpleas that.
So that's the beautiful giftwe've been given is free choice.

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So, whenever a government comesin with a mandate, that's not
free choice, we need to beconcerned and we need to stand
up.
So, in 2020, when protests werebanned, my husband held one
every two weeks.
It's our rise, it's our Godgiven right, and the police
would be next to him and sayingexcuse me, so if you speak,

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we'll arrest you.
You would stand straight up andspeak.
Well, they never arrested him,they just find him.
But, as most people have toldme, when the fines went to court
, most judges would throw themout.

Jen Mayo (42:25):
Really, that's good to hear Over in the.
States.
It was kind of we didn't knowwhat to believe in terms of what
was coming out of Australia,because it looked pretty rough
there for a while.

Well, it was pretty rough, but we live in
a well, we live out on aproperty 450 acres so there were
no masks or hand sanitizersseen out there, right?
And if someone came in choosingto wear a mask, we respected
their choice.
But two police came out one dayand they said this is 2021.

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They said we've just had areport that your guests are
serving themselves food.
My husband said really, you'vecome out one hour and the police
looked so embarrassed, soembarrassed.
Marker said a few years ago, mybike was stolen.
No, police came out, for thatIsn't that incredible, right?

(43:25):
And the police said well, weneed to come in and see if
they're serving themselves.
And Marker said ah, sorry, butthey're fasting today.

Jen Mayo (43:34):
Isn't that?

incredible.
Now, apparently, someone put upon Facebook a photograph we
worked out had been taken threeyears ago of guests serving
themselves.
That's how crazy it got.

Jen Mayo (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my goodness.

That's how crazy it got.
And my husband says if you'relooking for common sense here,
you won't find any.
And that is something that hasbeen lost is common sense.
And common sense is anotherbeautiful gift given by God.
And I say don't go ever againstyour common sense.

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Your gut feeling is thisdoesn't feel right to me,
because it's your right, it'syour God given right to say I
choose to do this.
Where it gets very difficult iswith a child, and that's what I
say to parents.
You know, I get people sayingmy child, they've just found out

(44:34):
he's got a tumor.
They want to cut in a child'sonly six years old.
I say to them you must be verycareful how you handle this.
So what you say is I'd like todelay the operation a few months
.
I'd like to try a few things.
Don't say alternate.
Don't say natural.
It's a pity that that has to be,and that's an indication of

(44:56):
this lock hold that they haveover people, because parents,
they have the God given rightover their children, not
medicine.
And yet medicine, by law, canmake your child a ward of the
state.
That's scary stuff.
It is Scary stuff.
I think it's so sad that thevery place we've always taken

(45:20):
our children to get help.
You have to be cautious of.
I don't like that and you know,I think most doctors and nurses
are ethical, but occasionallyyou'll get a nurse who thinks
that that bruise on your child'selbow might have been inflicted
by you, and yet actually theyfell off a stool.

(45:41):
You know that and that's veryhard as a parent when you're
being accused of hurting yourchild and yes, there are parents
that do that, unfortunately.
But you see, it's a fine line,right.

Jen Mayo (45:57):
Such a fine line, right?
Definitely, fertility is a signof a healthy society, and I
think we're just seeing like amassive epidemic of infertility
at this point.
What does that say about ourcollective health in our culture
?

What it says is there's something wrong,
and Newton's third law ofmotion states that to every
action there is an equal and anopposite reaction.
There is a reason, and I don'tknow.
You might be aware of myhormone lecture and it's just

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gone berserk.
That's all I can say.
Do you know what that showsthat so many people have
fertility problems?
Women probably talk about itmore than men.
But yeah, we're having couplescan't have children.
We're having men with low spermcount.
We're having men.
50% of men over the age of 40have penile dysfunction,

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inability to hold an erection.
Where did this come from?
Right?
I mean, 100 years ago, 80 yearold men were still sexually
active, Right, Right.
And they're losing that atabout 50.
Wow.
And then you've got women.
It's huge with womenendometriosis, polycystic
ovarian syndrome, fives in theuterus, breast cancer All of

(47:22):
this it's a hormonal imbalanceand it's not just one thing.
The contraceptive pill is oneof the guiltiest parties, but
there are women who've neverbeen on the pill.
So then you have a look at theglyphosates, the roundups.
Did you know that in 2000, Ithink it was 2015, the Sri

(47:44):
Lankan government banned roundup, or glyphosate, because of the
rice farmers and their childrenwho were getting endocrine
cancers.
Well, my graphic designer mynew book that he's graphic
designing at the moment.
He searched this out because wehave to be technically correct.
He said you wouldn't believe it, They've just legalized it

(48:05):
again.
Oh, my goodness, how much moneydoes it take to get them to?
I don't know, but what wouldcause?
Has it suddenly become allright?
No, it's not all right.
So that's just about in everyfood you buy, unless it's

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organic.
And the plastics.
And I'm horrified that theamount of women who were wearing
next to their skin fabric thatwas created in a chemical
laboratory there's yourpolyester, your nylon and your
acrylics.
Ah, you know, recently I wasstaying in a house and I could

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not sleep, my tossed.
I turned.
I thought what's the matterwith me?
So I got up and I read thelabel on the sheets.
Everything was polyester, yeah.
So I took it off and had mylinen nightion with my alpaca
wraps over me.
People don't realise, becauseI'm sitting there thinking this
is ridiculous.

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But people don't realise bra's,wow.
And so you see, I say men theywear cotton underpants, cotton
under shirts, cotton shirts,cotton jewellery.
But the ladies like the prettythings.
And how many of those prettythings are all made out of this
chemical fabrics.

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And it's not the one day wemight wear a bra from Victoria's
Secret.
It's actually day after day,after week, after week, after
month, after month, after yearafter year.
So there are these hiddenchemicals that most people are
shocked.
I was at a health retreatrecently.

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They'd lost my bags a couple ofyears ago, so I had to borrow
clothes from ladies my size.
I'm about 100 pounds, I'm onlylittle and there were a couple
of ladies my size.
You know.
90% of the clothes they gave meI could not wear and I thought,
wow, this is a health retreat.

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Yeah, they don't even know.

Jen Mayo (50:11):
Yeah, I think the irony is too like so many of the
fitness clothing and yogaclothes are probably the worst
offenders, and here we are.
We have a group of people thatare actively trying to be very
healthy but we're wearingclothes.

And, of course, the worst is when you're
exercising your paws open yourheart.
The fabric gets hot.
But I have to tell you a funnystory.
I was in Idaho in 2021, wentinto a trade as Joe's and
there's this stand of underwear,leggings, singlets all made out

(50:52):
of bamboo viscose.
The brand name was booty.
So I went berserk.
I spent $160 bras andunderpants and tops and even
leggings for my daughter.
When I got home, I'm taking thepackaging off.
Made in Australia.

Jen Mayo (51:11):
Oh, I bought this in Idaho and I'm wearing it in the
castle areas.

So you see booty, you know they, and of
course, now that I've mentionedit, are they prepared?
Right, right, right.
But you know it's stretchy.
It's you'd think by stretchingand looking at it that was a
polyester type thing, but whenyou wear it it feels so lovely

(51:36):
and you don't get sweaty likeyou do with polyester.
And I do know fruit of the loomor fruit of the womb, is it?
And they have a.
They have a lot of sportsthings that are 95% cotton and
jockey J-O-C-K-E-Y.
Now, it is true that about 80%of their underwear is not kosher

(51:56):
, but they do have a line thathave viscose and modell.
So viscose is bamboo, modell isa cellular spun from the birch
tree.
In fact, I brought a petticoatin David Jones it's like
Nordstrom, yeah, and it wasmodell.
And I said to the lady do youknow what modell is?

(52:17):
The lady that was serving me,she said, oh, not really.
I said it's the cellular spunfrom the birch tree, you know.
And she wrote it all down sothat she could tell the people
that were coming into buy it.
So I said to ladies, you mighthave to buy a little more for
the good stuff, but I tell youyour health and so what we've
got to look at is the nextgeneration.

(52:39):
Yeah, so we're getting girlstoday who are starting to
develop.
What are their clothes?
Now?
We're getting girls developingbreasts at eight periods, at
nine, and so it's not just theclothes, it's not just the
chemicals, it's not just theroundup, it's not just the pill,
but it's also growth stimulantsthat are given to chickens.

(53:01):
It's in the egg, it's in thechicken.
So, whoa, when you first began,you talked about a deception.
Isn't this what we're talkingabout?
And how many ladies lovepolyester because they don't
have to iron it Right?
Well, you will find the samething with viscose.
Rayon is another one for woodpulp and bamboo.

Jen Mayo (53:24):
Yeah, if you're as conscious about your health as I
am, you probably read everyfood label at the grocery store
to keep an eye out for toxicingredients and produce sprayed
with pesticides.
You may even shop organicbeauty brands for your personal
care products, but do you readyour clothing labels or research
fashion brands with integrity?
I was shocked when I learned myfavorite yoga pants and even my

(53:47):
everyday clothes are full oftoxic chemicals and synthetic
fabrics that are not compatiblewith our bodies.
Many clothes contain PFOS orforever chemicals that are
extremely difficult for ourbodies to detox and they are
linked to thyroid issues,hormone disruption, birth
defects, reproductive toxicityand more.
Formaldehyde is used in manyanti-wrinkle fabrics, and many

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other fabrics are treated withpesticides and antifungal
chemicals.
Most people think of their skinonly as a barrier, when in fact,
it's also like a sponge orsemi-permeable membrane that
allows things in and out of ourbodies.
Consider how many medicationsare deliverable through patches
or creams.
That is because skin absorbsmany substances it comes into

(54:30):
contact with, including thetoxic chemicals and fabrics of
your clothing, and that's why Iswitched to buying packed
clothing.
Packed makes its clothes withcertified organic cotton and
fair trade manufacturingfacilities.
Organic cotton uses up to 95%less water than conventional
cotton during the wash phase anddoesn't contain the harsh

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chemicals, bleaches or dyes thatconventional cotton uses.
Additionally, conventionalcotton often requires the use of
chemical linen pesticides.
That increases the debt burdenon the farmer and leaches into
the land and water.
So not only is packed organicclothing so super soft that
you'll never want to wearanything else, but your new

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t-shirt is also better for theenvironment and good for the
people who played a part inmaking it.
Organic cotton is even moreimportant for underwear.
According to recent studies,men who wore polyester underwear
had lower testosterone levelsand reduced sperm counts.
Another study found polyesterto have injurious effects on
ovaries and cause low serumprogesterone in women.

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Yeah, knowledge is power.
I've started using a brandcalled Pact that's all organic
cotton, since I've learned aboutthe toxic load we're taking on
just with the clothes we wear.
I think most people think ourskin is a barrier, but our skin

(56:16):
is really more like a sponge.

Our skin is a sponge, it is a barrier and
that's why nothing should everbe injected into it.
It is a barrier but it breathesand it absorbs, and so that's
important to be mindful.
One lady said oh wow, she saidthese big, thick sports bras

(56:41):
under my pretty little blouses.
I said go to Jockey, they havesome more tender ones.
You've got to search out.
And it may be when you go intoNordstrom 90% of what you see
will be the plastic or thechemical fabrics, but you will

(57:01):
find some.
I even went into Harrods inLondon and I found two sports
bras by Sweaty Betty that wasthe brand name and they were
Modell.
Oh nice, that was two in thewhole of Harrods and they were

(57:22):
expensive.
But I decided to get thembecause some of my clothes I get
from the thrift store and Icertainly take my glasses in so
that I can read the labels.
So you can balance it out.

Jen Mayo (57:39):
Yeah, and cholesterol is another place where I think
we've been deceived, andunfortunately intentionally so,
by the pharmaceutical companies.
What role do those play in ourhormone balance?

Well, it's an interesting question because
our hormones are all made fromcholesterol.
So if someone's oncholesterol-lowering medication
they're going to have troublewith their hormones, and if
someone's oncholesterol-lowering medication
they're not going to have enoughvitamin D, because vitamin D is
made from cholesterol.
And Dr Malcolm Kendrick in hisbook the Great Cholesterol Con I

(58:18):
laughed what he said.
He said for the first timenormal levels of a normal vital
body substance is being called adisease.
And he is scathing on thistheory.
He said I'm still waiting forthe research.
So for people at one, anauthority, he's a cardiovascular

(58:41):
surgeon, he knows his stuff.
And there's also Dr DwightLundell.
He's a cardiovascular surgeonand he wrote an e-book called
the Great Cholesterol Lie.
And Dr Peter Dingell inAustralia.
His book is the GreatCholesterol Deception.
I say to people we're runningout of words.
It's another book, the GreatCholesterol Hoax, the Great

(59:01):
Cholesterol Myth.
We're running out of words.
So, dr Natasha Campbell McBride, she had to call her book Put
your Heart in your Mouth and shealso shows the same thing.
And the proverb says in themultitude of counselors there's
safety.
These people don't know eachother.
They're from all over the worldand they're all saying the same

(59:23):
thing.

Jen Mayo (59:24):
Right, right.
And I met Dr Natasha a fewyears ago.
She's a lovely woman as well,and I had Sally Fallon-Murrell
on the podcast, maybe last yearsometime, and she talked about
how they actually changed thenumber guidelines for

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cholesterol numbers when theyintroduced statins Specifically
just so they could sell the drug.

Do you know ?
That's absolutely right.
In fact, I had the privilege ofmeeting a nutritionist who was
69 about six years ago.
She said I have the advantageof being in university 40 years
ago, and 40 years ago it wasquite okay to have a cholesterol
level of 300.
Right, 300.
And I said to people, ourbodies haven't changed.

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In fact, if you get below 150,your brain doesn't work, exactly
Because your brain is thefattiest organ in the body and
it loves cholesterol.
So there we're, coming backagain to the mind-body
relationship.

Jen Mayo (01:00:31):
Yeah, exactly, can you touch a little bit on alcohol
and caffeine, as it relates tohormone balance?

Dr. Barbara O'Neill (01:00:39):
Well, one of the problems with caffeine is
how it disrupts theneurotransmitters in the brain
and how many ladies, when theyhave premenstrual tension, go
for the chocolate and the coffee.
But what it does, it takes outmore than it gives, if that

(01:01:01):
makes sense.
So taking coffee to give aboost is like taking out a loan
to pay off your loan.
And of course that loan iscoming from your adrenal glands
and then the adrenal glands ofcourse.
Eventually they get exhaustedand the adrenal glands are
directly affected with thehormone or cascade in our bodies

(01:01:25):
.
So that's how the caffeineaffects it.
Caffeine really ages.
Ladies and a lot of ladies arehorrified to think that.
And people marvel at my energyand I think part of my energy is
the fact that I don't drinkcoffee.
In fact I've never drunk coffee.
I walk past a coffee shop, Istop, I take a big breath

(01:01:45):
because it's a lovely scent, butthen I keep walking Because I
know what it does to me and theeffect of.
Oh well, I mean, I know what itdoes to a human being.
So the other effect is fromalcohol, and alcohol is quite a
toxic poison.
It was 15 years ago.

(01:02:06):
The Australian HealthDepartment issued a warning
there's no safe dose of alcohol.
Alcohol is a neurotoxin,meaning it kills brain cells.
Now it is true.
In 1998, a group of scientistsdiscovered the brain derived
neurotrophic factor which cancause neurogenesis, new brain
cells.
But I say look, yeah, but let'slook after what we've got, and

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often with alcohol, also thehigh sugar.
In his book Sugar Blues,william Dofty shows the
devastating effect of sugar onladies hormones.
So the alcohol is not onlycoming in with the sugars, but
it's also coming in with thattoxicity of the alcohol.

Jen Mayo (01:02:52):
I think I've heard you say before too, something about
a much lower rate of mentalillness during the time of
prohibition.

Oh yes, In fact now 85 year old guy told me
this 15 years ago, so I quotehim.
He said that he had the figures.
It's very hard to get thesefigures.
He said in the prohibition time, mental institution occupancy
dropped to 8%.
He said the jails were almostempty, domestic violence almost

(01:03:24):
wiped out.
He said the only reason theylegalized it is because the
American government said, if welegalize alcohol, the American
people won't have to pay taxes.
Well, that was a greatdeception, wasn't it Right?
And yet I saw a documentary onthe prohibition and they came

(01:03:47):
across as if allowing alcoholwas freedom and the people were
dancing in the streets.
Finally, this horrible andequated law of no alcohol.
And I thought, wow, this isactually not really what
happened.
And so those figures that this85 year old man gave me 15 years

(01:04:09):
ago?
I think it's almost impossibleto get such figures.

Jen Mayo (01:04:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's wild.
Can you maybe give us a fewexamples of some lost natural
remedies that people canimplement into their lives now
and maybe help extractthemselves from the matrix of
the, you know, surgery andpharmaceutical based medical

(01:04:36):
system that we're embedded innow?

Well, I think one very effective one is
castor oil, and castor oilpenetrates deeper than any other
oil.
I have a book at home calledthe Oil of Heels and it's
written by a medical doctor whouses it in his practice.
And in Nebraska, I think abouta month ago I've lost track of

(01:05:01):
where I've been a lady came tome and she's in her 70s and she
said two months ago I had abunion and the bunion, she told
me, was coming out the side ofher foot about half an inch.
Yeah, she showed me her foot.
There was no bunion.
She said I applied castor oilcompressors every night for two

(01:05:21):
months and the bunion is goneNow.
That's incredible, yeah, andI've also known ladies to wear
castor oil compressors on theirabdominal area and break up
fibroids, break up cysts on theovaries.
So one lady I met, she hadbreast cancer.
She said I wore a castor oilcompress 24, seven.

(01:05:42):
She said I was diagnosed 20years ago.
She said I don't have breastcancer now.
So the castor oil is incredibleand the good news is it'll
break up a bone spur, but itwon't break up your bone.
So one would say how could thatbe?
Well, we have to go to Psalm104, verse 14, that God gave
herbs for the service of man.

(01:06:02):
So they come into service.
So they're only going to breakup unnatural formations.
Yeah, the other one I'd like tomention is charcoal.
Okay, and charcoal is anotherforgotten one, but you know it
hasn't been forgotten bymedicine, because did you know
that medicine uses charcoal tofilter blood for dialysis?

Jen Mayo (01:06:22):
Yeah.

And did you know that medicine uses
charcoal for drug overdoses?
Yeah, so they know somethingthat we don't and they're not
telling us Right.
And NASA, nasa use charcoal tofilter air in outer space.
Nasa uses charcoal to filterwater in outer space.

(01:06:44):
I tell you this to show you.
It is acknowledgedscientifically.
And what charcoal does is itabsorbs and neutralizes poisons.
Nothing else will do that.
Now that term absorbs andneutralizes poisons is adsorb.
Adsorb means absorbs andneutralizes, and charcoal is

(01:07:06):
able to absorb and neutralize.
You know, hundreds of times itsown weight.
It's quite incredible.
It has all these little facets,little surface areas, that sort
of slope all through thecharcoal and that's what absorbs
and neutralizes the poisons.
So it's fairly well known, ifyou travel through Asia to go

(01:07:28):
with charcoal tablets so that ifyou get barley barley you can
take the charcoal, it'll absorband neutralize the poison.
So it can be used for diarrhea,for vomiting.
But also it can be usedexternally.
So externally it can be usedfor spider bites, as my children
knew, for the bee sting.
So bee stings, snake bites,wasp bites.

(01:07:52):
It's quite incredible.
When you use it it takes thepain out almost straight away.
But where it also is being usedis for stomach pain.
It can be used on the outsideAlso for sore eyes.
Charcoal poltises there.
When you mix charcoal withwater, it's like missing dirt

(01:08:14):
with water.
So you can mix it with a bit ofpsyllium husks, make like a
soft gel and that's how you makeyour external poltises.
But I had a lady come to me withthe boil the size of a like
that little plate that you putunder a cup.
That's how big the boil was.
They'd been, they'd been inAsia as missionaries, and her

(01:08:36):
father I mean her husbandbrought her to me with three
little boys.
They didn't know what to do.
So I let her stay in my homeand I did charcoal and I boiled
up linseed or flaxseed till itwas a jelly and I mixed it
together and I made a poltis.
Every night and all night she'dlay with this poltis on.
On the third night, when I tookthe poltis off, it all came

(01:08:59):
away, oh wow.
And then I just cleaned it withhydrogen peroxide.
We put her in the sun every dayand when her husband came a
week later he just had tears inhis eyes and they couldn't
afford to give me anything.
I said my reward is to see thelady better, and so he gave me

(01:09:21):
this beautiful big wooden bowlhe'd made for all my fruit, but
charcoal.
Charcoal absorbs andneutralizes poisons.

Jen Mayo (01:09:30):
That's amazing and I think you know everybody's heard
the term the germ theory modelof disease or even the terrain
theory model of disease, but wedon't usually hear the term the
toxicity model of disease, whenin fact so many of things that
are even blamed on germs aretypically more a function of

(01:09:51):
toxicity in our environment andin our internal environment.

That's absolutely right.
And why are the germs there?
Why are the bacteria there?
It's because of the toxicity.
So we have to go back, back,back, and that's why I like to
call myself a privateinvestigator.

Jen Mayo (01:10:12):
Yeah.

Dr. Barbara O'Nei (01:10:13):
Investigating why these things are.
So you know, no wonder thesmoker coughs up yellow lumps.
He hasn't got an infection.
The microbes are busy cleaningup the damage done by his
smoking.

Jen Mayo (01:10:28):
Right, right.
And I think if we kind ofreorient ourselves and
understand that maybe germsaren't the cause of the disease
but the results of disease,right.
That's right, you know.
I think I've heard you refer tothem as the garbage, the
garbage collectors of the body,you know they're just they're
doing their job because the deadtissues already there.

They're just doing what they were
designed to do and, as I havealso said, if there wasn't, if,
if we didn't have these microbes, there'd be so much rubbish or
you call it trash on the planet,we wouldn't be able to walk on
the planet.
Their aim is to bring matterback to dust.
Yeah Well, if you understandtheir role, then when they're,

(01:11:10):
when they're present, you thinknow why are they there?

Jen Mayo (01:11:15):
Exactly, exactly.
Well, barbara, this has been afantastic conversation.
I know that my listeners aregoing to really get a lot out of
it and have enjoyed it myselfpersonally.
What are you up to these days?
I know you've had to leaveAustralia to continue with your
work.
What's keeping you busy now?

Well, I'm very busy, yeah, and two and a
half weeks ago I was in Canadaand I was speaking at a
conference there, and then lastweek I was at a retreat in
Living Springs, alabama, runninga retreat there.
This week I'm in Marylandgiving evening lectures to quite

(01:11:59):
a large group of 250.
Right, and I hear tell thatsome of them have come from all
over the place.
Next week I'm in Texas, notsure where, I just know I'm in
Texas.

Jen Mayo (01:12:11):
Okay.

And then after that I go to Ireland and
I'm in two different places inIreland for two weeks, and then
I'm in Germany, and then I'm inSpain, and then I'm in Germany
again, then I'm in theNetherlands, and then I fly home
on the 20th of November.
Oh nice, I said to Michael.
I want you to block outDecember and January, because

(01:12:32):
that's when the children and thegrandchildren come.
Oh good, and I know that I'm inBrazil in a few places next
February, march, but I must behome in April because that's
when the children and thegrandchildren come.
Oh great.
So I'm home for three months ofthe year.

Jen Mayo (01:12:52):
Good, well, I appreciate that Australia kind
of kicked you out so that youcould share your gifts with the
rest of the world, so yeah, andI'm seeing that in fact in 2021.

I was a little sad when I first heard,
because it was so unfair and sounjust.
I allowed myself to cry for 10minutes, yeah, and then I
brushed myself off and thoughtnow I wonder what plan God has
for me now.
So when I'm in Germany 2021 ata conference, a lady said to me
Barbara, we're so glad you'rebanned, because now you are free

(01:13:26):
to come to us and you know,sometimes you'll get a light
bulb moment and I had my lovebulb moment and I thought Japan
has freed me.

Jen Mayo (01:13:35):
Right, Exactly.
You know God works inmysterious ways.

He does.

Jen Mayo (01:13:41):
You know, it was definitely a blessing, in my
opinion.
So thank you, australia.
But yes, your gifts arespreading across the world, so
where can people find you onlineor on social media?
I'm assuming you've got aYouTube channel.

I'm sorry but I don't know.
Okay, someone told me I have afan club, but I don't know.
But I do know that my itinerarycan be found on
wwwselfhillbydesigncom.
Okay, great.
And my daughter's website,where you can get the book, is
easy to remember it'swwwmistymountainusacom.

(01:14:23):
Oh great.
And she just received 30,000more books yesterday.
Oh, wonderful, wonderful,wonderful and poor Emma.
She's just a mom with sevenkids.
One day she had 16 peopleworking for her, oh my gosh, oh
my gosh, doing the books and thethings.

(01:14:44):
So you're right, it certainlyhas gone out there.

Jen Mayo (01:14:50):
Yes, absolutely Well.
I thank you so much for yourtime, and I'm looking forward to
sharing a lot of clips, too,with our listeners on social
media.
So thank you for your time, andI wish you the very best in
your travels as you continue tospread the world about self
healing and the gifts thatnature has given us.

Well, thank you, Jennifer.
It's been a pleasure discussingthese things with you.
Always a pleasure to discuss itwith someone on the same page.

Jen Mayo (01:15:21):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much, Barbara.

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