August 21, 2025 • 31 mins
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Speaker (00:01):
Welcome to Bon Jola, a podcast about two women, Amy and
Rebecca, who each move from theUnited States to Europe to
become expats.
Amy to Spain and Rebecca toFrance.
We're here to share the highs,the lows, and the logistics of
this adventure.
Encourage you to follow yourown, move abroad dreams, and
remind you that you're not alonewhen the going gets tough.
Enjoy.
Rebecca (00:24):
Amy.
Aimee (00:25):
Jola, Rebecca.
Rebecca (00:27):
So when you and I were off the air, you told me that
You got to experience dentaltreatment in Spain, and I know,
I wanna know what that was like.
So
Aimee (00:37):
Yes.
Yeah, I overcame one of mybiggest, uh, you know, the whole
like, medical thing, any of it.
As we've been here almost twoyears and it's still a huge, big
scary boogeyman in the shadows.
however, I had gotten arecommendation from a friend
(01:00):
about a holistic minded dentalclinic that was actually here in
town in Gerona and only about,half a mile away from where we
live.
Rebecca (01:09):
Awesome.
Aimee (01:10):
So I was like, yay.
And I sent them an email saying,Hey, I need to make a dental
appointment.
If anybody there speaks English,that would be awesome.
And they responded in brokenEnglish and I was like, okay,
there are possibilities.
This is great.
Made an appointment with them.
For a month out,'cause that'skind of what the weight was.
And last week I went in for anexam.
(01:34):
An initial exam, and we did amixture of English and Spanish.
'cause I wanted to be using mySpanish.
But obviously with dentistrythere comes lingo that you don't
know.
So.
One thing that I thought wascool is that they refer to baby
teeth as milk teeth here, whichI know I've heard that term
(02:01):
before, but it had completelybeen, you know, it'd been out of
my memory for so long.
I thought that was really kindof charming.
Maybe it's just British English,and that's why I find it
charming.
Rebecca (02:13):
Maybe, I mean, I've definitely, I, I'm aware of the
phrase, but I've definitelynever used it
Aimee (02:18):
Right.
It's one of those things that wejust don't use.
Rebecca (02:21):
sounds almost animalistic or vampiric because
it's not in our lingo.
Aimee (02:28):
Vampires totally have milk teeth,
Rebecca (02:32):
Well, it's before their blood teeth come in.
Aimee (02:34):
right?
Rebecca (02:36):
That's why you don't have to be afraid of baby
vampires.
Aimee (02:39):
Yeah.
Can't say I've ever met one.
Rebecca (02:44):
Okay.
Well, so set the stage for us alittle bit, like was it an
American style clinic?
Were there receptionists?
What was it like going in with,did it just feel like you were
in an American clinic or did itfeel a little bit different?
Aimee (02:58):
I mean, it totally felt like any other medical clinic.
I, you go in, there's areceptionist, the receptionist
asks for your name.
I actually did not have.
Much paperwork to fill out, lessthan I was expecting.
And I did ask, you know, wasthere anything I needed to bring
(03:18):
to the appointment?
And they said, you know, onlyx-rays if you've had them within
the last year, which obviouslyhaven't.
So I sat down and then theycalled me back.
And the first thing they didwas, was take x-rays because it
had been, you know, a hot minutesince anything had been done.
(03:39):
And they've used those littlebite wing x-rays that we used to
do, you know, when you're a kidand they all like cut into your
cheek and stuff.
that's what she used and,, thenshe took a, took a look at my
mouth and.
Told me that even though Ihadn't had a, an exam in two
(04:03):
years, that my hygiene lookedgreat, my everything looked
great.
And I was like, oh, that'sawesome.
That's really good to hear.
'cause I.
I feel, I feel like I have furgrowing on my teeth midday.
So it's really good to hear thatjust by, you know, feeling like
my mouth isn't that clean, thatit's all looking pretty good.
Rebecca (04:25):
Yeah, because it's one thing to go have your teeth
checked.
It's another thing to have to gothrough pro teeth procedures in
our own country or in anothercountry, but obviously in
another country.
It really levels up the fear.
Aimee (04:40):
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
And then she was asking me whatmy goals were.
Like what are your goals fordentistry?
What are you looking to do?
And my mouth is special.
Um, I have a couple implants Ineed, I have, I.
Three baby teeth remaining from,or milk teeth as they are
called.
I do, I do.
Rebecca (05:03):
I didn't even know adults could have leftover teeth
from when we were kids.
Aimee (05:08):
Well, evidently, if you don't have an adult bud when
you're born, there's nothing topush that baby tooth out.
I, and what's happened over timeis those teeth have fused to my
jaw.
So, um, so they're there.
One of them is cracked, but it'sbeen cracked since 2020.
(05:29):
And it's a little wiggly, butit's not like it's not falling
out, which is kind of crazy.
And she asked me if I wanted topreserve my milk teeth, and I
was like, yeah, I'd reallyrather not.
Like I already have, I alreadyneed a couple of implants
already.
I don't wanna rip out three moreteeth and do three more implants
for strictly cosmetic reasons.
(05:49):
That seems really stupid.
Rebecca (05:51):
Yeah, I feel like original equipment is always
your best option if it's anoption at all.
Aimee (05:56):
Plus at this point, these babies are straight up.
Antiques and they are gonna beworth a lot of money.
People are gonna be robbing mygrave to get ahold of my milk
teeth when I finally go
Rebecca (06:08):
You'll be the next um, relic on a Santiago style walk
to go see Amy's teeth.
Aimee (06:15):
A hundred percent yes you can.
You can take my milk sheath anddrop them off somewhere as part
of your pilgrimage.
Rebecca (06:23):
I'll be sure to put that on my to-do list for when
you die.
Aimee (06:27):
Awesome.
Rebecca (06:29):
So, I mean, honestly, it was interesting to me that
she asked you your goals fordentistry.
I'm not sure I've ever beenasked that by anybody.
Aimee (06:37):
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty cool question.
Yeah, and maybe it's, maybe it'sbecause it is a holistic dental,
Rebecca (06:46):
fair.
Aimee (06:47):
a holistic dental center, which means if you've never been
to one, they use ozone whendoing treatments to disinfect
the area and, reduce the risk ofinfection if you're getting
something like, I don't know ifthey do root canals, but you
know, any need like.
Dental procedure, ozone istypically used.
Rebecca (07:08):
As opposed to.
Aimee (07:10):
as opposed to, I don't know, I've only used holistic
dentists for the last 15 years,so I don't know it's typical
anymore.
This clinic also uses essentialoils.
Tea tree and lemongrass I thinkwere used when I did get my
cleaning based on the aroma andtaste that I was getting.
(07:33):
but it was put in some kind of.
carrier and then applied to mygums after my teeth were
cleaned, which I thought wasinteresting.
So the initial exam was done bysomebody who was bilingual.
And then, you know, I said,well, I need, I want my teeth
cleaned.
One of my goals is to get myteeth cleaned because in my mind
(07:54):
they're a hot mess'cause theyhaven't been touched in two
years.
And then I'd like to look atgetting these implants done.
And kind of getting everything,you know, everything situated in
my mouth the way that I'd likeit to be.
And she's like, okay, well theorthodontist will want a full
x-ray, 360 view.
We don't have that equipmenthere.
(08:16):
So there's a radiology lab thatwe recommend people go to.
we'll get that set up and.
And we have a cleaning availableat 4:00 PM today if you'd like
to come back.
And I was like, awesome.
That would be great.
I will do that.
So I went back later in the a, Iwent after the appointment, I
went down to radiology and hadthat done.
(08:39):
Um, which was of course veryquick.
That was all done in Spanish, noEnglish.
And then I came back for mycleaning.
The dental hygienist did notspeak English, so that was
strictly done in Spanish and
Rebecca (08:54):
like your Spanish was adequate and up to the task?
Aimee (08:57):
did, it was kind of awesome.
It was really cool.
Yeah, I didn't have, I didn'thave much trouble at all and I
learned what the word was forsoft plaque and I've.
Forgotten it, but I heard thatword for the first time.
I didn't understand what she wasreferring to, and I asked
(09:19):
instead of not asking.
And her explanation wassomething that I understood, and
that was really kind ofexciting.
So the whole process went much,much better than I had expected
it to, and one would think thatthat would give me enough.
Confidence and oomph and staminato then immediately go out and
(09:41):
establish a general practitionerbecause that also needs to be
done.
But it has been seven days and Ihave not yet summoned the will
to go to the clinic and make anappointment to see a regular
doctor.
Rebecca (09:55):
I mean, I know that every single time I accomplish
even the smallest newadministrative or personal care
life care task.
It's sort of like when yourphone is suddenly outta battery
and you're like, but I didn'teven use you.
But clearly it takes a lot moreeffort and courage to do these
(10:17):
things than I, than we think itshould.
And there is a period of timewhere you have to like recharge.
Aimee (10:25):
Yeah, I just want someone to go with me.
I want, like that's the bigthing.
I want someone to hold my handand go with me, which feels
really lame because I'm anAmerican and I think I should be
able to do everything by myself.
Rebecca (10:39):
I get it though.
I, I, there's a prescriptionthat I have needed to fill.
I tried it, I tried to fill itright before we moved to France,
and for various reasons it was afail.
I'm like, I'll figure it outwhen I get there.
It's been 16 months.
I have obviously not figured itout.
I will be briefly in the UnitedStates, week after next, and
(11:02):
I'm.
Literally, I just emailed my olddoctor and I said, Hey, can you
send this prescription acrossthe country to this Walmart?
Because we plan to go to Walmartto try and find Italian
seasoning, which you cannot findin
Aimee (11:14):
Right.
Rebecca (11:16):
amongst some other things.
And I'm laughing at myselfbecause.
It.
It's so silly.
Like you not finding the GEgeneral practitioner the other
day.
I was so excited to talk to youabout this and I wanna go back
to the dental conversationbecause I just saw the most
fabulous reel by Tady McLeod,who's that comedian that I went
(11:38):
to see right before we did theCamino.
And she's British slash Frenchand she's hilarious.
And she is now living in Paris.
So this is somebody notAmerican, she's from Britain,
and she goes to the dentist andshe sees a hygienist and they ha
(11:59):
they, she says they pull out allthis fancy equipment.
She says it feels expensive, andshe gets her teeth cleaned and
she goes to pay and they giveher the bill, a 43 Euro.
And she says, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
I don't.
I'm not on the healthcaresystem.
I need to pay the private feefor this.
(12:20):
And the receptionist was veryconfused and brings the dentist
out.
And the dentist is very confusedand they finally realize what
she's saying and they're like,that is the private fee.
43 euros.
That's less than I think, 50bucks.
Aimee (12:35):
Yeah.
Rebecca (12:36):
Total and it's just mind blowing.
And yet I can't bring myself togo on to Dr.
Leb, make an appointment, askfor what I need to ask for.
And it is weird because you'relike, what?
You is the gremlin in my headthat makes me think that calling
(12:58):
my old doctor and dealing withAmerican pricing for
prescriptions.
Is a better idea.
So of course
Aimee (13:07):
I don't know, but that gremlin, that gremlin lives in
my head too.
And while I was in the States,the first winter, my very first
visit back, I had my doctororder six months of medication.
For me, I paid 700.
No, it was almost a grand forall my meds and for a six month
(13:28):
supply, and I am.
Refusing to do that againbecause I know it's gonna be so
much cheaper here.
But what that means is I'm nottaking my meds consistently so I
can draw it out.
Rebecca (13:42):
That is really interesting to hear because
again, same boat, you being inthe medical world makes that
extra amusing to
Aimee (13:52):
I know, I know.
It's, it's, um, so many, so manylayers of illogical foolishness
and all I need, like all thatwould, I mean, I guess, you
know, when I let the gremlinsyammer, they are, it's, the
concern is like, what if I go tothe doctor and.
(14:15):
The medication that I need isn'there.
Like, what if it's not availablein Spain, and what if then I
have to figure out, like get thewhole, like find something else,
get the dosing all dialed in.
Again, I don't wanna do that.
And I did put this deadline onmyself because I am going back
(14:35):
to the States in about a week,eight days.
I'm going back to the states.
And I wanna have this answer asto whether or not I can access
this medication here, because ifnot, I have an opportunity in
the States to fill up so that Iactually take the shit
consistently and don't need tobe taking naps one o'clock in
(14:58):
the afternoon every day.
'cause I'm tired.
Um.
Rebecca (15:02):
logistically, what would that take?
I know what it would take me.
I haven't done it, but I know itwould take me here in France.
What would it take you to?
Accomplish what you think youneed to do in Spain.
Aimee (15:14):
I have a clinic that I think could help me
hypothetically, I would walkdown to this clinic with my
insurance card.
I would say I need to make anappointment with a doctor
because I am.
Know I'm running out ofmedication and hypothetically an
appointment could be made withina week'cause it wouldn't be in
the public system.
(15:35):
And then hypothetically, I wouldsee the doctor and say, this is
what I'm taking.
Can you please help me get moreof this here?
And they would say yes, or theywould say no, and then I would
have the answer that I needed.
I be,
Rebecca (15:50):
challenge each other
Aimee (15:52):
oh my God.
Rebecca (15:52):
two doctor appointments?
Aimee (15:54):
Scared.
Rebecca (15:56):
But this is, it's so funny because like I, I deal
with this with interior designclients or I used to where I'm
like, okay, but you don't evenknow what a new fence will cost.
You don't even know what thewindow that you of your dreams
will cost.
Like you need a number.
In order to make a decision, andit's, here we are, you and me,
both of us, and you're going,well, what if they don't have
(16:17):
the medication?
I'd be like, well, at least youwould know.
Aimee (16:20):
Right, and then I could take action immediately because
I'll be going to the states.
I could call up my doctor andsay, Hey, remember how I asked
you for six months of thyroidmeds back in the day?
Can you do that again please?
And just pony up the cash.
Rebecca (16:38):
Because I assume you have no sense of assuming it
exists.
I assume you have no sense ofwhat it would cost in Spain in
comparison.
Aimee (16:46):
I don't.
If Ozempic is any indication, itwould be 90% cheaper here than
in the States.
I know, I know that's not gonnabe the case because, one of them
is generic and, and the other isnot.
You know, so obviously genericis not, 90% more from one
country to another.
(17:08):
But the name brand one, I don'tknow.
It's, it's like a compound.
It's, yeah.
I don't even know.
I don't know if I can get ithere or not.
So, and the standard of caremeds for, for Hashimoto's, which
is a, a thyroid condition,hypothyroidism, the standard of
care in the US doesn't work.
Or actually the standard of careworldwide doesn't work for me.
(17:31):
It makes my symptoms worse andit's taken years to figure out
what the dosing, what I need totake for me to function well.
And yeah, now that I think aboutit, you know, I, I really
haven't, I really have not beenfunctioning well for several
months.
Not, you know, I'm operating atprobably 60% of what a normal
(17:57):
would be.
Um.
It feels, it, it presents itselfas a lack of motivation and to
some degree, with all the stuffthat's going on in, you know,
personally with family, thatcould be true, but, but needing
an nap in the afternoon is not,that's not a typical behavior
for me, so,
Rebecca (18:16):
And.
Even if it's not because of themedication, it's best to
eliminate what could be gettingin the way, you know,
Aimee (18:24):
right, right.
Rebecca (18:26):
at your best in your, you know, at your best ability
without beating yourself up forbeing like, why am I so tired?
When
Aimee (18:35):
Oh, I'm not beating myself up.
I'm just like, I'm tired.
I don't effing care right now.
And you know, I think because Idon't have a list of a huge
amount of things that need to bedone, um, because of the changes
that I'm making, I.
That there's not much to beatmyself up about, so it's just
(18:56):
sort of this nebulous malaise,and while I'm sure I would get
much more out of my life if Ihad the energy that was
possible, if I took mymedication consistently, not
taking my medicationconsistently.
(19:16):
Does not threaten my life.
It does not, you know, itdoesn't carry, it's not like
diabetes medication, right?
Or heart meds
Rebecca (19:24):
I mean, okay.
I hear what you're saying, but Ialso feel like if a client were
saying that to you, you would belike, oh.
Okay, but also.
Aimee (19:37):
Okay.
But also, yes.
Do I wanna get more out of mytime here?
Probably, I probably would behappier if I had more energy and
didn't, you know, need to propmyself up with a glass of wine
to get through making dinner inthe evening.
That
Rebecca (19:54):
and you say you're not beating yourself up, but I have
heard you in the past say youknow that your running isn't at
the performance that you wouldlike it to be, or that your
Spanish comprehension isn't atthe level it would be, and I
assume that exhaustion from nothaving the meds quite aligned
could affect those things aswell.
Aimee (20:16):
Definitely the running.
I hadn't considered languagecomprehension.
That would be an interestingexperiment.
Rebecca (20:24):
It really struck me though when you said you're
drawing out the meds and nottaking them consistently,
because that's something thathas happened for me.
I mean, exactly the same way,and it's such a silly mental.
Game that we're playing withourselves.
It's, it doesn't, there's nologic there, but it also occurs
(20:47):
to me, you know, for me it's,it's some vitamins and stuff
that definitely boost mywellness, but it's not like a
thyroid condition.
When you have something like athyroid condition, it can be so
hard to get the meds right that,you know, I don't know if it,
it's appropriate to say ittriggers the PTSD of going
(21:07):
through it, but you.
I would that you don't wannaface it again, and therefore
there's an avoidance that goeswith that.
Aimee (21:14):
I don't wanna face it again, I am you.
I'm afraid that doctors here,will be worse at listening and
responding to my needs thanphysicians in the us.
And you know, I say that notbecause physicians in the US are
better, but because for the last20 years I've seen predominantly
(21:35):
naturalpathic and holistichealthcare providers that do
take the time, that do listen,that take their medical career
in a different direction and aremore patient focused.
Rebecca (21:46):
not finding that available where you are.
Aimee (21:50):
No, no.
Um, if I recall correctly,naturopathic physicians here in,
in, at least in Spain, probablythe EU don't have prescribing
power like they do on thestates.
It's.
Exclusively a holistic focus onthings like, you know, herbs and
(22:11):
tinctures and homeopathy issuper big here because like in
Germany it's, it's, it's major.
Um, and homeopathy is weird thatmy, my brain has a really hard
time struggling to, see that asa valid alternative.
(22:32):
But it's certainly not anythingthat I think anybody would
recommend for treating a thyroidcondition.
Right.
Rebecca (22:38):
No.
Aimee (22:39):
one would hope not.
not gonna make my labs and myenergy levels like good
Rebecca (22:47):
It's interesting to think about the naturopathy
because I hadn't at all, mydoctor in the States was a
naturopath, but she was also afull physician, could prescribe
all the, the Western meds Iwanted, and she was a really
good balance of both of thosethings.
You know, you and I have talkedso many times about the food
quality here in Europe and someother things that are so
(23:09):
different from in the UnitedStates.
And then there's the fact thathealthcare isn't privatized the
same way here as it is in theUnited States.
I don't, I've never thoughtabout this question.
I'm just wondering what your,what your thoughts are.
Do you feel like Europeanmedicine is very westernized?
(23:29):
Do you feel like maybe it's moreholistic, like.
In general, and they don't haveto have this split between
Western and eastern care.
I'm curious just what your, whatlittle you know right now about
all this
Aimee (23:44):
Well, I have zero experience.
Rebecca (23:47):
as we know.
Aimee (23:50):
To speak with any kind of authority.
My understanding, based on whatI have heard from people I know
who also live here and have beenbrave enough to step foot into a
doctor's office for one reasonor another, it is that it is no
more holistic than you wouldfind in the us like you
(24:11):
mentioned with Damien's surgery,I think what is true is they're
less likely to throw a wholebunch of shit at you
unnecessarily.
Rebecca (24:19):
Yeah.
Aimee (24:20):
And they're much more conservative with their approach
to medicine here.
You know, you go to the doctorbecause you have the flu and the
doctor's like, well, there'snothing I can do for this.
And they send you home or maybe,you know, recommended decongest
at the pharmacy for you.
And that's the extent of it.
Whereas up until very recentlywhen we figured out it was a
(24:42):
huge freaking mistake, peoplewould go to the doctor's office
for the virus and be given around of antibiotics.
Just in case.
Right?
Which is, don't even get mestarted.
It makes me so outrageouslyangry and that kind of Tom
Foolery is not happening here,likely, exclusively because they
(25:07):
are on a public system, whichdemands that they use their
money wisely.
Rebecca (25:11):
I was thinking the same reasoning.
Yeah.
It's not necessarily thatthey're kinder or better, but
the system itself is set up sodifferently that it naturally
will have different, outcomes,results, and responses.
Aimee (25:25):
Right, right.
And there has been, there hasbeen some, some research done
that suggests that, medical.
Medicine, prescribed medicationsand botched procedures and
medical care itself may be thethird leading cause of death in
(25:45):
the United States.
Medication mismanagement, likethis is people taking things as
recommended and therecommendations being wrong,
right?
Or unnecessary surgeries ormiscalculating anesthesia,
right?
Anything like that.
Um, and the amount ofunnecessary death due to
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overmedicalization.
Or mismanagement of medicine isgoing to be much, much higher in
the US because it is a profitdriven system that does not need
to concern itself with beingfiscally conservative in
treatments.
'cause that's not their problem.
Their problem is making surethey get paid.
Rebecca (26:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Which brings us to the perfectfull circle moment.
So you wrap up your appointment,I assume you had a bill.
I.
Aimee (26:39):
did.
Okay.
Okay.
So this was the coolest part.
The dentist is like, yeah, comeback four o'clock.
We can do your cleaning then,because you've done such a good
job, you know, with your oralhygiene, there's not a lot for
us to do, so you'll get ourdiscounted rate for your
cleaning.
And I was like, that's cool.
Rebecca (27:00):
And not something that I've ever heard of ever.
Aimee (27:03):
Exactly, exactly.
So my last cleaning at aholistic dentist outside of the
Seattle area, it was an hour'sdrive to get there was$250 for
the cleaning out of pocket mycleaning, which with a five euro
discount for being such a goodgirl at home was 60 euro.
Rebecca (27:28):
Oh my gosh.
Aimee (27:32):
My exam,
Rebecca (27:33):
for you.
Aimee (27:34):
I'm so happy for me too.
And I told myself immediately,gosh, imagine how cheap my meds
will be here.
But has that gotten my butt outthe door?
No.
No it hasn't.
But it was 60 euro for the exam.
It was 60 euro for the cleaning.
It was 35 euro for the full.
(27:54):
Circumference x-rays
Rebecca (27:56):
I'm sorry, 35 Euro.
Aimee (27:59):
35 Euro.
Yep.
For 360 x-rays of my head forthe orthodontist.
And yeah, so all of that I costme basically reworking my entire
day around, you know, gettingthese appointments done.
'cause they could all be donesame day.
(28:20):
And 155 Euro.
Rebecca (28:25):
Awesome.
Well, I don't know if you aregoing to take the challenge, but
I am officially committing herein our podcast to looking on Dr.
Lib.
Dr.
Lib.
It's D-O-C-L-I-B.
It's a website that literally.
Everybody uses to find andschedule with a doctor and then
I understand that once you havea doctor you schedule directly
(28:47):
with them.
But this is seems to be theentry portal for all things
doctor in France.
So I'm going to go on there.
Well, I'm, I just need to findsomebody who can give me a new
prescription.
'cause the script that I need isnot available over the counter.
Some things are and aren'tbetween the two countries.
(29:08):
And I am going to at least log,all I'm committing to is logging
into the website and seeing if Ican accomplish this within, say,
a half hour timeframe.
That's enough.
That's enough of a bite.
I'm gonna take that littlenibble and see what happens.
Aimee (29:25):
Okay, I will commit to walking down to the clinic and
asking for an appointment withmy insurance card.
Rebecca (29:32):
Look at us.
We're so brave.
Aimee (29:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't feel brave right now.
Rebecca (29:38):
But this is I, this is, I think, such a good place for
us to finish this because ifanybody out there is listening,
this is really what it feelslike and this is the bites that
you end up taking because it's,I mean, at least in our
experience, it's all you can doat one time.
So if you're feeling dumb aboutit, don't, or
Aimee (30:02):
you're, you don't have to be dumb alone.
We will be dumb with you.
Rebecca (30:07):
Exactly.
Aimee (30:10):
it's, it is.
It is hilarious how much theprocess of moving to a foreign
country infantilizes you in away, you know?
Rebecca (30:23):
And humbles you both.
It turns you back into a childand it makes you remember that.
Uh, I don't know what it makesyou remember that adulting is
hard and, um, for those of youwho are still in the United
States, enjoy the familiarity ofeverything because while there's
(30:47):
a lot that, that we get to haveby being in Europe right now,
that you don't get to have.
Aimee (30:53):
Familiarity is not one of those things.
Rebecca (30:55):
It is not, and it is something to be embraced and
treasured because there's alwayssomething good about the
situation that we're in, if weremember to look at that, not
just things we're lacking.
Aimee (31:06):
A hundred percent.
Rebecca (31:09):
Um, well next week we won't be, recording because
we're both headed off to theUnited States, so we'll see
everybody on the other side ofthat and, uh, keep you caught up
on what's happening in ourEuropean and slash Travely
lives, because there's about alot of that coming in summertime
here.
Aimee (31:26):
There definitely is.
Alright, until next time wemeet.
We hope you enjoyed this episodeof Banla.
If you did, the best thing youcan do is share it with another
person, brave enough to moveabroad.
See you next time.
Welcome to Bon Jola, a podcast about two women, Amy and
Rebecca, who each move from theUnited States to Europe to
become expats.
Amy to Spain and Rebecca toFrance.
We're here to share the highs,the lows, and the logistics of
this adventure.
Encourage you to follow yourown, move abroad dreams, and
remind you that you're not alonewhen the going gets tough.
Enjoy.
Rebecca (00:24):
Amy.
Aimee (00:25):
Jola, Rebecca.
Rebecca (00:27):
So when you and I were off the air, you told me that
You got to experience dentaltreatment in Spain, and I know,
I wanna know what that was like.
So
Aimee (00:37):
Yes.
Yeah, I overcame one of mybiggest, uh, you know, the whole
like, medical thing, any of it.
As we've been here almost twoyears and it's still a huge, big
scary boogeyman in the shadows.
however, I had gotten arecommendation from a friend
(01:00):
about a holistic minded dentalclinic that was actually here in
town in Gerona and only about,half a mile away from where we
live.
Rebecca (01:09):
Awesome.
Aimee (01:10):
So I was like, yay.
And I sent them an email saying,Hey, I need to make a dental
appointment.
If anybody there speaks English,that would be awesome.
And they responded in brokenEnglish and I was like, okay,
there are possibilities.
This is great.
Made an appointment with them.
For a month out,'cause that'skind of what the weight was.
And last week I went in for anexam.
(01:34):
An initial exam, and we did amixture of English and Spanish.
'cause I wanted to be using mySpanish.
But obviously with dentistrythere comes lingo that you don't
know.
So.
One thing that I thought wascool is that they refer to baby
teeth as milk teeth here, whichI know I've heard that term
(02:01):
before, but it had completelybeen, you know, it'd been out of
my memory for so long.
I thought that was really kindof charming.
Maybe it's just British English,and that's why I find it
charming.
Rebecca (02:13):
Maybe, I mean, I've definitely, I, I'm aware of the
phrase, but I've definitelynever used it
Aimee (02:18):
Right.
It's one of those things that wejust don't use.
Rebecca (02:21):
sounds almost animalistic or vampiric because
it's not in our lingo.
Aimee (02:28):
Vampires totally have milk teeth,
Rebecca (02:32):
Well, it's before their blood teeth come in.
Aimee (02:34):
right?
Rebecca (02:36):
That's why you don't have to be afraid of baby
vampires.
Aimee (02:39):
Yeah.
Can't say I've ever met one.
Rebecca (02:44):
Okay.
Well, so set the stage for us alittle bit, like was it an
American style clinic?
Were there receptionists?
What was it like going in with,did it just feel like you were
in an American clinic or did itfeel a little bit different?
Aimee (02:58):
I mean, it totally felt like any other medical clinic.
I, you go in, there's areceptionist, the receptionist
asks for your name.
I actually did not have.
Much paperwork to fill out, lessthan I was expecting.
And I did ask, you know, wasthere anything I needed to bring
(03:18):
to the appointment?
And they said, you know, onlyx-rays if you've had them within
the last year, which obviouslyhaven't.
So I sat down and then theycalled me back.
And the first thing they didwas, was take x-rays because it
had been, you know, a hot minutesince anything had been done.
(03:39):
And they've used those littlebite wing x-rays that we used to
do, you know, when you're a kidand they all like cut into your
cheek and stuff.
that's what she used and,, thenshe took a, took a look at my
mouth and.
Told me that even though Ihadn't had a, an exam in two
(04:03):
years, that my hygiene lookedgreat, my everything looked
great.
And I was like, oh, that'sawesome.
That's really good to hear.
'cause I.
I feel, I feel like I have furgrowing on my teeth midday.
So it's really good to hear thatjust by, you know, feeling like
my mouth isn't that clean, thatit's all looking pretty good.
Rebecca (04:25):
Yeah, because it's one thing to go have your teeth
checked.
It's another thing to have to gothrough pro teeth procedures in
our own country or in anothercountry, but obviously in
another country.
It really levels up the fear.
Aimee (04:40):
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
And then she was asking me whatmy goals were.
Like what are your goals fordentistry?
What are you looking to do?
And my mouth is special.
Um, I have a couple implants Ineed, I have, I.
Three baby teeth remaining from,or milk teeth as they are
called.
I do, I do.
Rebecca (05:03):
I didn't even know adults could have leftover teeth
from when we were kids.
Aimee (05:08):
Well, evidently, if you don't have an adult bud when
you're born, there's nothing topush that baby tooth out.
I, and what's happened over timeis those teeth have fused to my
jaw.
So, um, so they're there.
One of them is cracked, but it'sbeen cracked since 2020.
(05:29):
And it's a little wiggly, butit's not like it's not falling
out, which is kind of crazy.
And she asked me if I wanted topreserve my milk teeth, and I
was like, yeah, I'd reallyrather not.
Like I already have, I alreadyneed a couple of implants
already.
I don't wanna rip out three moreteeth and do three more implants
for strictly cosmetic reasons.
(05:49):
That seems really stupid.
Rebecca (05:51):
Yeah, I feel like original equipment is always
your best option if it's anoption at all.
Aimee (05:56):
Plus at this point, these babies are straight up.
Antiques and they are gonna beworth a lot of money.
People are gonna be robbing mygrave to get ahold of my milk
teeth when I finally go
Rebecca (06:08):
You'll be the next um, relic on a Santiago style walk
to go see Amy's teeth.
Aimee (06:15):
A hundred percent yes you can.
You can take my milk sheath anddrop them off somewhere as part
of your pilgrimage.
Rebecca (06:23):
I'll be sure to put that on my to-do list for when
you die.
Aimee (06:27):
Awesome.
Rebecca (06:29):
So, I mean, honestly, it was interesting to me that
she asked you your goals fordentistry.
I'm not sure I've ever beenasked that by anybody.
Aimee (06:37):
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty cool question.
Yeah, and maybe it's, maybe it'sbecause it is a holistic dental,
Rebecca (06:46):
fair.
Aimee (06:47):
a holistic dental center, which means if you've never been
to one, they use ozone whendoing treatments to disinfect
the area and, reduce the risk ofinfection if you're getting
something like, I don't know ifthey do root canals, but you
know, any need like.
Dental procedure, ozone istypically used.
Rebecca (07:08):
As opposed to.
Aimee (07:10):
as opposed to, I don't know, I've only used holistic
dentists for the last 15 years,so I don't know it's typical
anymore.
This clinic also uses essentialoils.
Tea tree and lemongrass I thinkwere used when I did get my
cleaning based on the aroma andtaste that I was getting.
(07:33):
but it was put in some kind of.
carrier and then applied to mygums after my teeth were
cleaned, which I thought wasinteresting.
So the initial exam was done bysomebody who was bilingual.
And then, you know, I said,well, I need, I want my teeth
cleaned.
One of my goals is to get myteeth cleaned because in my mind
(07:54):
they're a hot mess'cause theyhaven't been touched in two
years.
And then I'd like to look atgetting these implants done.
And kind of getting everything,you know, everything situated in
my mouth the way that I'd likeit to be.
And she's like, okay, well theorthodontist will want a full
x-ray, 360 view.
We don't have that equipmenthere.
(08:16):
So there's a radiology lab thatwe recommend people go to.
we'll get that set up and.
And we have a cleaning availableat 4:00 PM today if you'd like
to come back.
And I was like, awesome.
That would be great.
I will do that.
So I went back later in the a, Iwent after the appointment, I
went down to radiology and hadthat done.
(08:39):
Um, which was of course veryquick.
That was all done in Spanish, noEnglish.
And then I came back for mycleaning.
The dental hygienist did notspeak English, so that was
strictly done in Spanish and
Rebecca (08:54):
like your Spanish was adequate and up to the task?
Aimee (08:57):
did, it was kind of awesome.
It was really cool.
Yeah, I didn't have, I didn'thave much trouble at all and I
learned what the word was forsoft plaque and I've.
Forgotten it, but I heard thatword for the first time.
I didn't understand what she wasreferring to, and I asked
(09:19):
instead of not asking.
And her explanation wassomething that I understood, and
that was really kind ofexciting.
So the whole process went much,much better than I had expected
it to, and one would think thatthat would give me enough.
Confidence and oomph and staminato then immediately go out and
(09:41):
establish a general practitionerbecause that also needs to be
done.
But it has been seven days and Ihave not yet summoned the will
to go to the clinic and make anappointment to see a regular
doctor.
Rebecca (09:55):
I mean, I know that every single time I accomplish
even the smallest newadministrative or personal care
life care task.
It's sort of like when yourphone is suddenly outta battery
and you're like, but I didn'teven use you.
But clearly it takes a lot moreeffort and courage to do these
(10:17):
things than I, than we think itshould.
And there is a period of timewhere you have to like recharge.
Aimee (10:25):
Yeah, I just want someone to go with me.
I want, like that's the bigthing.
I want someone to hold my handand go with me, which feels
really lame because I'm anAmerican and I think I should be
able to do everything by myself.
Rebecca (10:39):
I get it though.
I, I, there's a prescriptionthat I have needed to fill.
I tried it, I tried to fill itright before we moved to France,
and for various reasons it was afail.
I'm like, I'll figure it outwhen I get there.
It's been 16 months.
I have obviously not figured itout.
I will be briefly in the UnitedStates, week after next, and
(11:02):
I'm.
Literally, I just emailed my olddoctor and I said, Hey, can you
send this prescription acrossthe country to this Walmart?
Because we plan to go to Walmartto try and find Italian
seasoning, which you cannot findin
Aimee (11:14):
Right.
Rebecca (11:16):
amongst some other things.
And I'm laughing at myselfbecause.
It.
It's so silly.
Like you not finding the GEgeneral practitioner the other
day.
I was so excited to talk to youabout this and I wanna go back
to the dental conversationbecause I just saw the most
fabulous reel by Tady McLeod,who's that comedian that I went
(11:38):
to see right before we did theCamino.
And she's British slash Frenchand she's hilarious.
And she is now living in Paris.
So this is somebody notAmerican, she's from Britain,
and she goes to the dentist andshe sees a hygienist and they ha
(11:59):
they, she says they pull out allthis fancy equipment.
She says it feels expensive, andshe gets her teeth cleaned and
she goes to pay and they giveher the bill, a 43 Euro.
And she says, no, no, no.
You don't understand.
I don't.
I'm not on the healthcaresystem.
I need to pay the private feefor this.
(12:20):
And the receptionist was veryconfused and brings the dentist
out.
And the dentist is very confusedand they finally realize what
she's saying and they're like,that is the private fee.
43 euros.
That's less than I think, 50bucks.
Aimee (12:35):
Yeah.
Rebecca (12:36):
Total and it's just mind blowing.
And yet I can't bring myself togo on to Dr.
Leb, make an appointment, askfor what I need to ask for.
And it is weird because you'relike, what?
You is the gremlin in my headthat makes me think that calling
(12:58):
my old doctor and dealing withAmerican pricing for
prescriptions.
Is a better idea.
So of course
Aimee (13:07):
I don't know, but that gremlin, that gremlin lives in
my head too.
And while I was in the States,the first winter, my very first
visit back, I had my doctororder six months of medication.
For me, I paid 700.
No, it was almost a grand forall my meds and for a six month
(13:28):
supply, and I am.
Refusing to do that againbecause I know it's gonna be so
much cheaper here.
But what that means is I'm nottaking my meds consistently so I
can draw it out.
Rebecca (13:42):
That is really interesting to hear because
again, same boat, you being inthe medical world makes that
extra amusing to
Aimee (13:52):
I know, I know.
It's, it's, um, so many, so manylayers of illogical foolishness
and all I need, like all thatwould, I mean, I guess, you
know, when I let the gremlinsyammer, they are, it's, the
concern is like, what if I go tothe doctor and.
(14:15):
The medication that I need isn'there.
Like, what if it's not availablein Spain, and what if then I
have to figure out, like get thewhole, like find something else,
get the dosing all dialed in.
Again, I don't wanna do that.
And I did put this deadline onmyself because I am going back
(14:35):
to the States in about a week,eight days.
I'm going back to the states.
And I wanna have this answer asto whether or not I can access
this medication here, because ifnot, I have an opportunity in
the States to fill up so that Iactually take the shit
consistently and don't need tobe taking naps one o'clock in
(14:58):
the afternoon every day.
'cause I'm tired.
Um.
Rebecca (15:02):
logistically, what would that take?
I know what it would take me.
I haven't done it, but I know itwould take me here in France.
What would it take you to?
Accomplish what you think youneed to do in Spain.
Aimee (15:14):
I have a clinic that I think could help me
hypothetically, I would walkdown to this clinic with my
insurance card.
I would say I need to make anappointment with a doctor
because I am.
Know I'm running out ofmedication and hypothetically an
appointment could be made withina week'cause it wouldn't be in
the public system.
(15:35):
And then hypothetically, I wouldsee the doctor and say, this is
what I'm taking.
Can you please help me get moreof this here?
And they would say yes, or theywould say no, and then I would
have the answer that I needed.
I be,
Rebecca (15:50):
challenge each other
Aimee (15:52):
oh my God.
Rebecca (15:52):
two doctor appointments?
Aimee (15:54):
Scared.
Rebecca (15:56):
But this is, it's so funny because like I, I deal
with this with interior designclients or I used to where I'm
like, okay, but you don't evenknow what a new fence will cost.
You don't even know what thewindow that you of your dreams
will cost.
Like you need a number.
In order to make a decision, andit's, here we are, you and me,
both of us, and you're going,well, what if they don't have
(16:17):
the medication?
I'd be like, well, at least youwould know.
Aimee (16:20):
Right, and then I could take action immediately because
I'll be going to the states.
I could call up my doctor andsay, Hey, remember how I asked
you for six months of thyroidmeds back in the day?
Can you do that again please?
And just pony up the cash.
Rebecca (16:38):
Because I assume you have no sense of assuming it
exists.
I assume you have no sense ofwhat it would cost in Spain in
comparison.
Aimee (16:46):
I don't.
If Ozempic is any indication, itwould be 90% cheaper here than
in the States.
I know, I know that's not gonnabe the case because, one of them
is generic and, and the other isnot.
You know, so obviously genericis not, 90% more from one
country to another.
(17:08):
But the name brand one, I don'tknow.
It's, it's like a compound.
It's, yeah.
I don't even know.
I don't know if I can get ithere or not.
So, and the standard of caremeds for, for Hashimoto's, which
is a, a thyroid condition,hypothyroidism, the standard of
care in the US doesn't work.
Or actually the standard of careworldwide doesn't work for me.
(17:31):
It makes my symptoms worse andit's taken years to figure out
what the dosing, what I need totake for me to function well.
And yeah, now that I think aboutit, you know, I, I really
haven't, I really have not beenfunctioning well for several
months.
Not, you know, I'm operating atprobably 60% of what a normal
(17:57):
would be.
Um.
It feels, it, it presents itselfas a lack of motivation and to
some degree, with all the stuffthat's going on in, you know,
personally with family, thatcould be true, but, but needing
an nap in the afternoon is not,that's not a typical behavior
for me, so,
Rebecca (18:16):
And.
Even if it's not because of themedication, it's best to
eliminate what could be gettingin the way, you know,
Aimee (18:24):
right, right.
Rebecca (18:26):
at your best in your, you know, at your best ability
without beating yourself up forbeing like, why am I so tired?
When
Aimee (18:35):
Oh, I'm not beating myself up.
I'm just like, I'm tired.
I don't effing care right now.
And you know, I think because Idon't have a list of a huge
amount of things that need to bedone, um, because of the changes
that I'm making, I.
That there's not much to beatmyself up about, so it's just
(18:56):
sort of this nebulous malaise,and while I'm sure I would get
much more out of my life if Ihad the energy that was
possible, if I took mymedication consistently, not
taking my medicationconsistently.
(19:16):
Does not threaten my life.
It does not, you know, itdoesn't carry, it's not like
diabetes medication, right?
Or heart meds
Rebecca (19:24):
I mean, okay.
I hear what you're saying, but Ialso feel like if a client were
saying that to you, you would belike, oh.
Okay, but also.
Aimee (19:37):
Okay.
But also, yes.
Do I wanna get more out of mytime here?
Probably, I probably would behappier if I had more energy and
didn't, you know, need to propmyself up with a glass of wine
to get through making dinner inthe evening.
That
Rebecca (19:54):
and you say you're not beating yourself up, but I have
heard you in the past say youknow that your running isn't at
the performance that you wouldlike it to be, or that your
Spanish comprehension isn't atthe level it would be, and I
assume that exhaustion from nothaving the meds quite aligned
could affect those things aswell.
Aimee (20:16):
Definitely the running.
I hadn't considered languagecomprehension.
That would be an interestingexperiment.
Rebecca (20:24):
It really struck me though when you said you're
drawing out the meds and nottaking them consistently,
because that's something thathas happened for me.
I mean, exactly the same way,and it's such a silly mental.
Game that we're playing withourselves.
It's, it doesn't, there's nologic there, but it also occurs
(20:47):
to me, you know, for me it's,it's some vitamins and stuff
that definitely boost mywellness, but it's not like a
thyroid condition.
When you have something like athyroid condition, it can be so
hard to get the meds right that,you know, I don't know if it,
it's appropriate to say ittriggers the PTSD of going
(21:07):
through it, but you.
I would that you don't wannaface it again, and therefore
there's an avoidance that goeswith that.
Aimee (21:14):
I don't wanna face it again, I am you.
I'm afraid that doctors here,will be worse at listening and
responding to my needs thanphysicians in the us.
And you know, I say that notbecause physicians in the US are
better, but because for the last20 years I've seen predominantly
(21:35):
naturalpathic and holistichealthcare providers that do
take the time, that do listen,that take their medical career
in a different direction and aremore patient focused.
Rebecca (21:46):
not finding that available where you are.
Aimee (21:50):
No, no.
Um, if I recall correctly,naturopathic physicians here in,
in, at least in Spain, probablythe EU don't have prescribing
power like they do on thestates.
It's.
Exclusively a holistic focus onthings like, you know, herbs and
(22:11):
tinctures and homeopathy issuper big here because like in
Germany it's, it's, it's major.
Um, and homeopathy is weird thatmy, my brain has a really hard
time struggling to, see that asa valid alternative.
(22:32):
But it's certainly not anythingthat I think anybody would
recommend for treating a thyroidcondition.
Right.
Rebecca (22:38):
No.
Aimee (22:39):
one would hope not.
not gonna make my labs and myenergy levels like good
Rebecca (22:47):
It's interesting to think about the naturopathy
because I hadn't at all, mydoctor in the States was a
naturopath, but she was also afull physician, could prescribe
all the, the Western meds Iwanted, and she was a really
good balance of both of thosethings.
You know, you and I have talkedso many times about the food
quality here in Europe and someother things that are so
(23:09):
different from in the UnitedStates.
And then there's the fact thathealthcare isn't privatized the
same way here as it is in theUnited States.
I don't, I've never thoughtabout this question.
I'm just wondering what your,what your thoughts are.
Do you feel like Europeanmedicine is very westernized?
(23:29):
Do you feel like maybe it's moreholistic, like.
In general, and they don't haveto have this split between
Western and eastern care.
I'm curious just what your, whatlittle you know right now about
all this
Aimee (23:44):
Well, I have zero experience.
Rebecca (23:47):
as we know.
Aimee (23:50):
To speak with any kind of authority.
My understanding, based on whatI have heard from people I know
who also live here and have beenbrave enough to step foot into a
doctor's office for one reasonor another, it is that it is no
more holistic than you wouldfind in the us like you
(24:11):
mentioned with Damien's surgery,I think what is true is they're
less likely to throw a wholebunch of shit at you
unnecessarily.
Rebecca (24:19):
Yeah.
Aimee (24:20):
And they're much more conservative with their approach
to medicine here.
You know, you go to the doctorbecause you have the flu and the
doctor's like, well, there'snothing I can do for this.
And they send you home or maybe,you know, recommended decongest
at the pharmacy for you.
And that's the extent of it.
Whereas up until very recentlywhen we figured out it was a
(24:42):
huge freaking mistake, peoplewould go to the doctor's office
for the virus and be given around of antibiotics.
Just in case.
Right?
Which is, don't even get mestarted.
It makes me so outrageouslyangry and that kind of Tom
Foolery is not happening here,likely, exclusively because they
(25:07):
are on a public system, whichdemands that they use their
money wisely.
Rebecca (25:11):
I was thinking the same reasoning.
Yeah.
It's not necessarily thatthey're kinder or better, but
the system itself is set up sodifferently that it naturally
will have different, outcomes,results, and responses.
Aimee (25:25):
Right, right.
And there has been, there hasbeen some, some research done
that suggests that, medical.
Medicine, prescribed medicationsand botched procedures and
medical care itself may be thethird leading cause of death in
(25:45):
the United States.
Medication mismanagement, likethis is people taking things as
recommended and therecommendations being wrong,
right?
Or unnecessary surgeries ormiscalculating anesthesia,
right?
Anything like that.
Um, and the amount ofunnecessary death due to
(26:07):
overmedicalization.
Or mismanagement of medicine isgoing to be much, much higher in
the US because it is a profitdriven system that does not need
to concern itself with beingfiscally conservative in
treatments.
'cause that's not their problem.
Their problem is making surethey get paid.
Rebecca (26:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Which brings us to the perfectfull circle moment.
So you wrap up your appointment,I assume you had a bill.
I.
Aimee (26:39):
did.
Okay.
Okay.
So this was the coolest part.
The dentist is like, yeah, comeback four o'clock.
We can do your cleaning then,because you've done such a good
job, you know, with your oralhygiene, there's not a lot for
us to do, so you'll get ourdiscounted rate for your
cleaning.
And I was like, that's cool.
Rebecca (27:00):
And not something that I've ever heard of ever.
Aimee (27:03):
Exactly, exactly.
So my last cleaning at aholistic dentist outside of the
Seattle area, it was an hour'sdrive to get there was$250 for
the cleaning out of pocket mycleaning, which with a five euro
discount for being such a goodgirl at home was 60 euro.
Rebecca (27:28):
Oh my gosh.
Aimee (27:32):
My exam,
Rebecca (27:33):
for you.
Aimee (27:34):
I'm so happy for me too.
And I told myself immediately,gosh, imagine how cheap my meds
will be here.
But has that gotten my butt outthe door?
No.
No it hasn't.
But it was 60 euro for the exam.
It was 60 euro for the cleaning.
It was 35 euro for the full.
(27:54):
Circumference x-rays
Rebecca (27:56):
I'm sorry, 35 Euro.
Aimee (27:59):
35 Euro.
Yep.
For 360 x-rays of my head forthe orthodontist.
And yeah, so all of that I costme basically reworking my entire
day around, you know, gettingthese appointments done.
'cause they could all be donesame day.
(28:20):
And 155 Euro.
Rebecca (28:25):
Awesome.
Well, I don't know if you aregoing to take the challenge, but
I am officially committing herein our podcast to looking on Dr.
Lib.
Dr.
Lib.
It's D-O-C-L-I-B.
It's a website that literally.
Everybody uses to find andschedule with a doctor and then
I understand that once you havea doctor you schedule directly
(28:47):
with them.
But this is seems to be theentry portal for all things
doctor in France.
So I'm going to go on there.
Well, I'm, I just need to findsomebody who can give me a new
prescription.
'cause the script that I need isnot available over the counter.
Some things are and aren'tbetween the two countries.
(29:08):
And I am going to at least log,all I'm committing to is logging
into the website and seeing if Ican accomplish this within, say,
a half hour timeframe.
That's enough.
That's enough of a bite.
I'm gonna take that littlenibble and see what happens.
Aimee (29:25):
Okay, I will commit to walking down to the clinic and
asking for an appointment withmy insurance card.
Rebecca (29:32):
Look at us.
We're so brave.
Aimee (29:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't feel brave right now.
Rebecca (29:38):
But this is I, this is, I think, such a good place for
us to finish this because ifanybody out there is listening,
this is really what it feelslike and this is the bites that
you end up taking because it's,I mean, at least in our
experience, it's all you can doat one time.
So if you're feeling dumb aboutit, don't, or
Aimee (30:02):
you're, you don't have to be dumb alone.
We will be dumb with you.
Rebecca (30:07):
Exactly.
Aimee (30:10):
it's, it is.
It is hilarious how much theprocess of moving to a foreign
country infantilizes you in away, you know?
Rebecca (30:23):
And humbles you both.
It turns you back into a childand it makes you remember that.
Uh, I don't know what it makesyou remember that adulting is
hard and, um, for those of youwho are still in the United
States, enjoy the familiarity ofeverything because while there's
(30:47):
a lot that, that we get to haveby being in Europe right now,
that you don't get to have.
Aimee (30:53):
Familiarity is not one of those things.
Rebecca (30:55):
It is not, and it is something to be embraced and
treasured because there's alwayssomething good about the
situation that we're in, if weremember to look at that, not
just things we're lacking.
Aimee (31:06):
A hundred percent.
Rebecca (31:09):
Um, well next week we won't be, recording because
we're both headed off to theUnited States, so we'll see
everybody on the other side ofthat and, uh, keep you caught up
on what's happening in ourEuropean and slash Travely
lives, because there's about alot of that coming in summertime
here.
Aimee (31:26):
There definitely is.
Alright, until next time wemeet.
We hope you enjoyed this episodeof Banla.
If you did, the best thing youcan do is share it with another
person, brave enough to moveabroad.
See you next time.
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