June 13, 2025 • 31 mins
AI isn’t a threat to creativity—it’s a secret weapon, and savvy authors are already tapping into its power. In this episode, Penny and Amy explore how ChatGPT can transform the way you write, market, and manage your author business.
Discover how to use ChatGPT as a creative collaborator to generate fresh story ideas, refine your prose, spot plot holes, and develop engaging bonus content for readers. We also dive into how authors are streamlining their marketing efforts—writing ad copy, planning social media, and creating newsletters—without losing their voice or burning out.
But this episode doesn’t shy away from the boundaries. You’ll learn where ChatGPT falls short (think Amazon keywords, SEO, and media contacts) and why knowing what not to outsource to AI is just as important as knowing what to delegate.
With actionable tips on prompt crafting, organizing AI chats into manageable projects, and using AI to support—not replace—your process, this episode is a must-listen for any author ready to work smarter, not harder.
The AI advantage is real—if you know how to use it. Tune in to learn how ChatGPT can elevate your creativity, boost your productivity, and help you run your author career with more clarity and ease
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome back to the Book Marketing Tips
and Author Success Podcast.
This is Penny Sansevierie andAmy Cornell.
And I'm first off.
I'm so excited.
My book is up for pre-order theAmazon Author Formula Workbook
Really really, really stokedabout that.
The book goes live on.
Well, the book is up forpre-order now.
(00:21):
The on-sale date for the bookis the 20th of June, so, um, so
I'm really excited.
We also have some really funpre-order um, uh, pre-order
contest.
All the details will be in theshow notes.
We're doing 10 Amazon power up,amazon page Power Up Packet
(00:43):
Giveaways.
That's a mouthful.
And everybody who pre-ordersthe book gets my list of Amazon,
my five top Amazon mastery tips.
I'm super excited.
So we have a lot of stuff goingon in our social media.
Definitely be sure to check itout.
I'm really, really thrilledwith this book.
I'm very, very, very excited.
(01:04):
What's interesting is that sowe're doing this show on chat.
Amy and I both love chat.
We have chat GPT.
Of course we refer to it aschat because, much like Amazon
page power-up package, chat GPTis also kind of a mouthful and
we use it for I mean, I've usedit for like travel planning and
(01:25):
like really fun stuff I mean,and I think a lot of authors are
having fun kind of exploring it, which is why we sort of
thought that it would be fun tokind of brainstorm some ways
that you can use it to ramp upyour productivity.
I mean, amy, what did you usechat for?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh my gosh, personal or professional?
Personally, yeah, personally,I've actually.
One of my favorite ways to useit now is to create a meal plan
for the week, because I've gotkiddos in sports, I've got half
the time I'm solo parenting andit's amazing.
I can put in all the details.
(02:09):
This is what we like.
This is how many people itneeds to feed.
This is you know what I mean.
We've got active kids.
I don't want to have to goshopping every day for new stuff
, so keep it simple and it'samazing.
Oh, and another one andhopefully, if anybody decides to
do this, this is huge.
I actually also asked it tofocus on meals where you could
(02:29):
do a lot of prep work in advance.
So, that's great.
Yeah, so you weren't doing itall that evening right ahead of
actually cooking the meal, andit was fantastic, like it is my
new favorite thing to do,because then when I find a block
of time, I can do some prep andthen, oh, it's so much easier.
That's been my absolutefavorite.
(02:49):
And then I've taken a couple oftrips recently where I thought
you know what, let me just ask,chat, because again, when you
only have an afternoon free,like what should I do this
afternoon in this city?
You know, I've got a couple ofkids with me, three adults,
whatever you know and what'sgreat to eat nearby the places
you're recommending.
So not only did it recommendactivities and things to do, but
(03:11):
it also said and while you'rethere, there's these three
restaurants that we'd recommend,based on, you know, and I was
like this is so great.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So great it really, really is, and I know a lot of
authors, cause we get a lot ofpeople who come to us because
they found us on chat GPTsearching like book publicity
services, book marketingservices.
So it's also being used as asearch engine, right, much like
Google, which is just it'sstaggering, but there are, you
(03:40):
know, there are a lot of booksout there on chat right now.
In fact, I was thinking theother day I'm like, oh, I should
write a book on you knowcreative ways that authors can
use chat GPT.
But a lot of these books arebuilt on the premise of having
chat make you rich, right?
So how to create, you know, Isaw this one account was how to
(04:02):
create a million dollar bookidea, how to make, how to start
a small business as a sidehustle and make a million
dollars in your first year, andstuff like that.
I don't really know.
I mean, I love chat.
We both Amy and I both do.
But I think you also have tokind of be careful how much you
rely on chat for like big lifedecisions, right?
(04:22):
I mean because, again, it's anAI, it's pulling from
information, but it's also theother thing to understand too
about chat is that what you getout is only as good as what you
put in.
So one of the things that Ithink is worth leading with
which we actually didn't talkabout when we were in the green
room, but it's definitely worthmentioning is the more
(04:45):
information that you can putinto chat, the better your
results will be as well, as youwant to really tell chat what it
is.
So one of the things that isreally fun to brainstorm is
having chat.
For example, like if you'rereally struggling with social
(05:07):
media, right, you might ask chatfor feedback on I'm on
Instagram.
I'm not really getting a lot offeedback.
Here's what I'm about, here'smy brand, here's my book, here
are future books that I haveplanned, or here's how many
other books that I have out.
But you would lead off sayingyou are a social media expert,
(05:31):
you're a, you know you're agenius at creating viral social
media content, etc.
And then you put all of theparameters into chat.
So it's really only as good asthe information that you give it
, because if you just say, giveme some social media ideas,
chat's going to spout out,because I tried that just in
preparation for the show andchat just spouted out a bunch of
(05:53):
nonsensical stuff that I wouldnever use, even if I was
desperate.
So I mean, it's kind of like,amy, what you were saying, like
with your meal planning stuff,you know you have to be really
specific on here is what, here'swhat we like to eat, here's our
schedule, here's what we have.
(06:14):
You know what I mean and thatkind of thing.
The more specific that you canbe with your directive to chat,
the better that your resultswill be.
The other thing that I want tosay, just personally, what I,
one of the things that I'velearned about chat is that, if I
like so, we Amy and I we sharea business chat account and we
have projects under in thevarious sections of chat.
(06:36):
Chat will allow you to createprojects, and when we first
started using chat, that wasn'tthe case, and one of the reasons
that I love these projects isbecause it keeps everything
under a particular project right.
So, for example, when Ifinished writing the Amazon
Author Formula workbook, Iactually uploaded it to chat and
(06:58):
I asked chat for what could Ihave done better?
I want you to give memanuscript feedback.
For what could I have donebetter?
I want you to give memanuscript feedback.
Where do you think the readeris?
You know I knew who I wrote thebook for, but I want to chat,
to read through it and give meits assessment of who they felt
(07:19):
that the book was for, to makesure that it had matched what I
did.
But I created a project forthat so that now everything
under the Amazon Author Formulaworkbook, all of the different
chats that I have, stay underthat project and it's much
easier to find it too.
So if you're going to use it forsocial media or if you're going
to use it for a particular bookand I've known authors to use
(07:40):
it to find plot holes because,you know, I mean, sometimes
we're our own worst enemies whenit comes to, you know,
especially if you write fictionand you're just like, oh, I know
that I missed something thelast thing that you want is to
have a reader post a review onAmazon, like, well, this whole
string didn't make sense,uploading it to.
I mean, obviously you want toget an editor and, by the way,
(08:02):
let me just say I know I'm kindof rambling about all the things
on cause I get so excited aboutchat.
Please don't use chat as youreditor ever.
I actually tried that Cause Ihad an author tell me that they
that's what they did.
The gobbledygook that chat spitout was just like I deleted the
entire string Cause it was just, it was nonsensical.
So I think book feedback is agreat idea.
(08:23):
Yeah, but um, I, you know, I, I, I would never have chat at it
at your book, no, yes, yeah, Iagree with you, penny.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's great to have it point out things to consider,
but don't have it fix things foryou.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes, Thank you, yes.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, have it.
It's great for pointing out,like you've said, plot holes.
I think that's brilliant.
Same thing for nonfiction.
You can ask it like do all this?
Are there any steps missing?
Are there any?
You know what I mean.
Missing.
You know what I mean Likethere's such great ways to have
it point out things that youcould potentially consider, but
still you should be the expertin your topic, you should be the
(09:04):
expert in your book, but takethose and consider like, okay,
can I do something more withthis?
But you definitely need to bethe one to create that
additional content and connectthose dots.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, cause I've actually used chat for, like, if
I'm kind of beating my headagainst the wall about what am I
going to post on social media,I've used chat to give me social
media ideas and I will say thatone of the things that I love
so much about using chat is thatI generally I would say
(09:37):
probably in 80 to 90% of thecases I don't use what chat has
created verbatim, but it helpsto spark my own creativity and I
think that is oftentimes thebest use of chat.
Gpt.
I get really concerned when,when I see authors using it very
literally yeah, um, and so youknow, I think, to spark ideas.
(10:00):
The other thing is is that Iactually had so, and as authors
you can also do this too.
So I had chat profile ourwebsite versus our competitors
out there, and I asked chat.
I said, okay, I want you totell me what I'm missing, what I
need to do more of.
And, of course, chats chatslike, oh well, you have to do
more video, green screen kind ofhave hanging in my office,
(10:29):
cause I know like, oh my gosh,I'll just have it ready when I
need to do video.
But then I, when I asked himfor video ideas.
Many of the ideas that it cameup with were a little absurd.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Right, it doesn't know the brand, it doesn't know
(11:01):
our audience.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know what I mean.
It doesn't, yeah, it doesn'treally know the brand.
So I think that.
But then there's also like, sothe learning and this is not to
discourage you from going tomedia expert and educator Break
down Instagram, break down theInstagram skill into a 15-day
crash course.
Each day should have a goal, apractice task and, if you want
(11:25):
to take it even further, one totwo advanced tips for learning.
And if you want to take it evenfurther, one to two advanced
tips for learning, so chat Imean.
And in that case, in thatinstance, because it's specific
enough yet it's still general,right.
So you're just looking forInstagram tips to master that
platform, to try to beef up yoursocial.
(11:50):
And, amy, you and I have usedthis for a lot of efficiency
stuff and and not necessarilybecause I'm not a huge fan of
automation, automatingeverything I like the
personalization that I thinkthat we bring to our stuff.
But in terms of, like, internaltasks and stuff, I mean oh,
yeah, it's been really helpful.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And we have a team member who I think I'm not at
all saying anything.
She wouldn't fully like give around of applause.
She likes to use it now becauseshe will actually write.
She, when she has new ideas,she'll start writing out her
email and then she'll put it inchat and have it like basically
ask it to make sure that it'slike all the key points are hit,
(12:33):
that it's super concise,basically ask it to make it make
sense for other people thataren't inside her brain.
And she's like it's been thebest ever because and I'm sure a
lot of people listening can,you know, relate to that a
little bit that sometimes youhave so many ideas buzzing
around in your head thatsometimes it's so hard to get
started and just figure out whatto do first.
Yeah, and you can dump thoseinto chat and just be very
(12:57):
brutally honest with them,saying I need to come up with a
better plan so I'm working moreefficiently.
You know what I mean.
Like, what are yourrecommendations?
What am I doing?
That's wasting time, thingslike that.
And it works really reallygreat.
And it's also been reallyhelpful in terms of sorting out
processes too.
Yes, you know, internalprocesses in, especially getting
(13:21):
them written out in ways thatmake sense to multiple people
that have different workingstyles, because it's a great way
for everybody to kind of followalong.
But then it's written out in avery just, straightforward way
that doesn't lean one way or theother in terms of learning
style or working style, and Ithink it would be really great
for those of you listening thatmay have the option to work with
(13:43):
a virtual assistant orsomething like that.
So if you want to createmanuals or tasks or anything
like that, to where you canpotentially offload some of your
work to a virtual assistant,that, using chat, would be a
fabulous way to make up a planand say okay, do we both agree
on this?
Excellent, you know what I meanTo ensure you have aligned
(14:05):
expectations and goals.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, exactly, and one of the things I think that
authors really struggle with iswhen they're doing because when
I talk to authors about thisparticular, this always comes up
when they're doing social mediaads, so Facebook and Instagram
or TikTok, whatever, they reallyhave a hard time writing the ad
copy, and one of the thingsthat I encourage them to do is
(14:29):
go into chat and say you're anaward-winning ad copywriter, I
want to create Instagram ads orTikTok ads, for you know, insert
your book title that hookreaders and generate emotion and
drive clicks.
Now, one of the things that Iwould recommend in that case is
don't just have chat, create onead.
I would have them create like10, because of the 10, eight are
(14:51):
not going to be spot on, butyou may get one or two that are
going to be really good.
Okay, and one thing that Istarted because I know I'm so
excited about this, I was soexcited about the show I started
down this rabbit hole and thenI kind of deviated off of there
by talking about projects.
Once you start a chat, once youstart a conversation, that isn't
going the way that you want itto go, like if you start it off
(15:15):
with bad directive and chat'sjust spouting out a bunch of
really random stuff.
Kill that and start over,because one of the things that I
have learned is that one singlechat conversation continues to
inform all of its answers.
So if you start it off with abad directive, it's going to
(15:37):
bleed into every.
So even if you say, oh okay,well, I really meant to say this
, and then you go back and yougive it a new directive, chat is
still pulling from that oldcontent.
It's a really weird kind of athing.
So kill it off, delete it andstart over, and that's something
that I found.
That's something else that Ifound with with chat too.
(15:59):
And yeah, I mean I and and,like I said, I just think that
that you can, the more specificthat you can be with chat from
the get-go.
And it's taken me, you know,it's taken me a while to really
learn to really get you know,get a handle on it Because, as I
(16:20):
said, a lot of you know there'sa lot of books out there on
chat GPT prompts that I thinkare potentially helpful, but
there's really way too muchstuff out there on how to get,
how to make, how to use chat GPTto make you rich, which is not
A it's not the purpose of thisparticular episode but B.
I don't really know how.
You know, I don't, I don'treally know how, how that can.
(16:43):
You know that that can work out, so we just did a show on um.
You know that can work out, sowe just did a show on Ask Me
Anything, the Reddit show thatwe did a couple of weeks ago.
If you end up doing an Ask MeAnything, you can brainstorm
ideas for doing that right.
So how you're going to presentit or what you're going to talk
about, things like that.
Amy, you came up with the ideaof book club questions, which I
(17:08):
love, because a lot of times,authors are so close to their
own they're too close to theirown topic.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes, and we always.
I realize a lot of ourrecommendations are.
They are homework for y'all,you know, and we talk about
bonus content a lot.
We talk about ways to keep yourreaders engaged with your brand
beyond the book.
Especially if you're going towrite multiple books, there will
be lags between releases andhow do you keep people coming
(17:34):
back to your website, to yoursocial, when you don't have a
book to be the star of all yourcontent?
So, creating bonus content,creating quizzes, creating tips
sheets, all those kinds ofthings, book club questions
these are amazing because thesecan be.
They can live on your websiteas leader, you know magnets to
(17:55):
collect emails.
They can be bonus downloads,you can use them as promos for
social media or your newsletterso many different things.
But chat is a great resourcefor again getting out of your
own head and just giving you newideas to consider that, like
Penny said, when you get tooclose to your own work,
sometimes it gets even harder.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does get harder, and
that's where I think that chat,using it as kind of and Amy uses
this phrase all the time usingit as a second brain, is really
it can really be beneficial tokind of help you get out of your
own way in some cases, right,the other thing is reader
demographics.
So I love when authors use chatto really drill down on their
(18:45):
reader demographics and I thinkthis is something that a lot of
times, I mean, even if you wereat the early stages of writing
your book, using chat toidentify you know what readers
want, who your ideal reader is,things like that.
If I had a dime for every timethat I've talked to an author,
that who does not know theirreader demographics, I'd be, you
(19:08):
know, I'd be richer than youknow.
You name your billionaire,whatever, but so reader
demographics.
I think staying current ontrending topics in your industry
.
My only hesitation with that isI think that's great, but my
only hesitation with that is Ithink that's great, but my only
hesitation with that is is thatthere's really nothing like
going to the source.
So I think following some keypeople in your industry and
(19:31):
maybe that's really where chatcan guide you instead just
because, like when we were doing, when we we just did the
podcast on the changes to theAmazon algorithm which dropped
last week.
So if you missed that, go backand check it out.
And I went into chat to getsome ideas, not necessarily for
(19:52):
the show, but I wanted to havechat tell me what other people
in the industry were sayingabout this particular change and
much of the content was reallyold change and much of the
content was really old.
So I think that I would takethe trending topics thing with
sort of a grain of salt, becauseI don't know and it could have
been just how I asked chatbecause as we did the heart back
(20:13):
to the first part of the showwhere we talked about what you
put in, you get out.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, you know, yeah, and this one too.
I tested it for a clientrecently that has a personal
finance book.
And what was interesting and Iagree, you always want to click
and we're going to talk aboutthis in a minute Do you always
want to vet what goes throughchat before you just run with
something?
You know you can't trust itindefinitely, but it was
(20:38):
interesting because it was ableto give examples of articles
coverage that was happeningaround their topic right now and
it was helpful for the authorto realize what they could
potentially be talking about inorder to garner more media
interest and more coverage.
Yeah, you know, because it waslike, okay, right now, these are
(21:00):
the kinds of articles that arepopping up and that are trending
for this topic and it'sinteresting to go check those
out, like you said, penny, justto see what's being talked about
and what's out there, becauseit was insightful to know this
clearly is what these sourcesare covering and they're doing
it for a reason, right?
So it's like, can you speak tothis?
(21:21):
And what was interesting, a fewof the results also mentioned
some changes in tax law, somechanges, so there was other
things.
That kind of again gave youmore things to consider that
maybe you wouldn't have come toon your own, because it's easy
to get laser focused on yourcontent when your area of
expertise you could actuallyspeak to things beyond the book.
(21:44):
You know what I mean.
But you get so laser focused onone thing that it's like, wait,
no, I can actually speak tothat too, and then your book's
going to organically getattention from that, just by
being out there as a name and asa source.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Exactly.
Yeah, I think that is.
I, definitely I.
I love chat for you know, doingindustry research, but again, I
think you, you definitely havepeople that you're that you're
that you're already following inthe industry.
(22:16):
So let's talk about some things.
To not use chat for All rightand I'm not just saying this
because we do Amazonoptimization here as a company
Do not use chat for keywords andcategories on Amazon.
I've tried it.
It's terrible, it's really bad.
Yeah, it's really bad, and Imean, some of the stuff that it
spit out was just like wow, it'svery convincing, which is why
(22:39):
it's dangerous.
Yeah, it's very convincing,that's.
The other thing, though, too,is that you really have to.
You have to kind of come atchat with sort of a critical
mind.
I was very excited about usingchat for SEO for our website, so
I went in and I poured my heartout to chat about SEO and I
sent it to Amy and she wasbasically like yeah, so we did
(22:59):
this, all this stuff like a yearago, and so there wasn't wasn't
anything.
I mean, some of it was evenscared wrong yeah, it was just
straight up wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
and also the data was bad in terms of you know we're
big fans of uber suggests neilpatel is on top of his stuff I'm
keeping his pd, you know.
So I also went through and didsome checks, just cross-checks,
between what chat was saying andthe number of searches it was
saying that certain terms weregetting and it was so far off
(23:33):
the mark.
Yeah, like in both directionsoverinflated numbers,
underreported numbers it wasjust like where is this coming
from?
But so definitely don't use itfor that either.
Or you know if, if you reallyit's your last resort have
another source to cross-check itand you might end up with a few
that work, but it's definitelyshouldn't be your one, and only
(23:54):
by any means yeah, yeah, Icompletely agree with that and
we have, you have, amy has Iwant to leave this to amy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
she has a funny story to talk about Media lists.
So we tried pulling.
We tried pulling, like I wantto see if chat because we have a
media database service that wepay for.
It's very expensive and I'mlike you know, I wonder if we
could just start using chat topull up our media and pitch
lists of the you know people wewant to pitch to outside of you
(24:24):
know, maybe just context that Ihave, you know, sitting in my
Rolodex.
Now I'm going to use a termthat just makes me sound super
old but, um, do you want to talkabout how the list worked?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
because they were so bad, yeah, and again, like we
said, it can be great forpushing you to think outside the
box, for sure, but you always.
This is another area where, ifyou want to use chat to get an
idea of who thought leaders areout there right now, or maybe
some podcast shows, what'sactually great about chat,
(25:00):
what's nice, is that they willshow you the sources that they
use to get that information.
And I've actually correctedchat before when I looked up
something and then it showed methe sources and it was like
Wikipedia and something else.
I'm like absolutely not.
That is not a source.
You need to look at X, y andactually told it what kind of
sources were acceptable and itit re it said sorry about that,
(25:23):
yes, looking into what you're.
And then I got some betteranswers, like I was expecting,
but I thought so always payattention to that too, because
when chat, when you're asking itif it's quoting anything
specific or data or anything,it'll tell you the source of
that and you really should lookat that with a critical eye as
well.
Where's that coming from?
(25:44):
But we actually had I mean,thank goodness an individual on
the team caught it but one ofthe recommendations for somebody
that we should contact based onthe topic that we were, the
individual had actually passed acouple years ago.
So that is another reason Donot trust chat blindly.
Check your sources.
(26:05):
Our team member was very smart.
She said yep, you know thatthat person has passed and I'm
glad I didn't send an email tothat individual, because what if
you know their family stillowns the business or whatever?
It's like?
Oh gosh, like talk about majorfaux pas, right?
Yeah, yeah, so that is one ofthose things too.
Like you definitely don't wantto blindly follow any
(26:29):
recommendations or any sourcesbecause they can be dated, like
Penny said.
Like sometimes they're just old, sometimes they're just dated.
It's really better for thinkingoutside the box in terms of you
can check them out, see whatthey cover, see what kind of
content they're putting out,check out their socials, but it
doesn't actually mean that thatis the right person to contact.
But it will start giving yousome great market research on
(26:53):
your topic, your genre, yourdemographic, things like that.
But that doesn't necessarilymean that the person that they
called out or outlet that theycalled it is is an exact right
fit, but it does give you somegood feedback.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
And then the other piece of it,I think, is um.
So we talked about editing umhashtags for social media.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're always yeah, it's another one.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So bad.
There's, even when I ask it forsocial media ideas like give me
some hashtags.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's like, oh my gosh , they're so bad I know when
they do that, I picture like alittle gremlin working behind
the scenes like eating popcornand like just like looking very
messy and like messing with us,sometimes Like I'm going to see
if they fall for this.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I think I mean the takeawayis is that you really don't just
blindly copy and paste.
You really have to.
You know, chat is great as it's.
It can be a time saver, it canbe an efficiency expert, it can
help you plan travel, do all thethings.
(27:57):
But there are.
But I think that you know,don't become too reliant on
absolutely everything that chatspits out to you, because it
could, you know, you and you.
The other piece of it, though,too, is that you always I mean
chat says that right up frontlike, oh, chat can make mistakes
, but then sometimes you getreally excited, you get content,
(28:17):
and then you read through itand you're just like well, I
would never say that.
I mean, and anybody who's everseen me speak in person and you
maybe glean that from just thepodcast like I'm super excited
about all the things, like I'mjust like, yeah, I'm just super
excited, but chat is even moreso.
Like chat is like 10 times thelevel of excitement that I have
(28:39):
on just any normal day.
The level of excitement that Ihave on just any normal day.
And that enthusiasm when it'son a page sounds a little psycho
.
I don't really know how else tonicely say it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
No, it's true, it's excited about everything.
Yeah, yeah, and it makes mesound like Eeyore.
Poor Penny, she'll sendsomething.
I'm like it's too happy.
Or poor Penny, she'll sendsomething.
I'm like it's too happy.
I'm like we, we, we are notthat happy, we can't possibly be
that happy.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's, it's, it's not realistic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know so.
So, again, you want to reallyget and, and you know, one of
the things that you can do isalso um, you can do is also you
can upload existing content thatyou've written and ask it to
mirror your voice.
(29:31):
But even then, which is why youreally want to give chat
something to work with.
So, if you are, you know, ifyou want to create a social
media plan, ideally you want itto mirror, you know, what you
already have.
So you want it to mirror yourvoice, what you already have on
on um, on social media, becauseotherwise it's just going to
(29:52):
come up with a bunch ofnonsensical stuff that's
probably going to sound wildlyexcited and if you send it to
Amy, she's going to be like sobut yeah, but we love chat, for
I mean, for all the things Ithink it's definitely worth
exploring how it can you know,how it can help you be, you know
(30:13):
, be more efficient and be yoursecond brain, because it's not
always easy being an author.
We've talked about that a loton this show in particular.
So I want to thank you all.
Did I miss anything, amy,before I close out the show?
Did we cover everything?
Nope, with that.
I want to thank you all so muchfor listening.
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Bye-bye.
Hello and welcome back to the Book Marketing Tips
and Author Success Podcast.
This is Penny Sansevierie andAmy Cornell.
And I'm first off.
I'm so excited.
My book is up for pre-order theAmazon Author Formula Workbook
Really really, really stokedabout that.
The book goes live on.
Well, the book is up forpre-order now.
(00:21):
The on-sale date for the bookis the 20th of June, so, um, so
I'm really excited.
We also have some really funpre-order um, uh, pre-order
contest.
All the details will be in theshow notes.
We're doing 10 Amazon power up,amazon page Power Up Packet
(00:43):
Giveaways.
That's a mouthful.
And everybody who pre-ordersthe book gets my list of Amazon,
my five top Amazon mastery tips.
I'm super excited.
So we have a lot of stuff goingon in our social media.
Definitely be sure to check itout.
I'm really, really thrilledwith this book.
I'm very, very, very excited.
(01:04):
What's interesting is that sowe're doing this show on chat.
Amy and I both love chat.
We have chat GPT.
Of course we refer to it aschat because, much like Amazon
page power-up package, chat GPTis also kind of a mouthful and
we use it for I mean, I've usedit for like travel planning and
(01:25):
like really fun stuff I mean,and I think a lot of authors are
having fun kind of exploring it, which is why we sort of
thought that it would be fun tokind of brainstorm some ways
that you can use it to ramp upyour productivity.
I mean, amy, what did you usechat for?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh my gosh, personal or professional?
Personally, yeah, personally,I've actually.
One of my favorite ways to useit now is to create a meal plan
for the week, because I've gotkiddos in sports, I've got half
the time I'm solo parenting andit's amazing.
I can put in all the details.
(02:09):
This is what we like.
This is how many people itneeds to feed.
This is you know what I mean.
We've got active kids.
I don't want to have to goshopping every day for new stuff
, so keep it simple and it'samazing.
Oh, and another one andhopefully, if anybody decides to
do this, this is huge.
I actually also asked it tofocus on meals where you could
(02:29):
do a lot of prep work in advance.
So, that's great.
Yeah, so you weren't doing itall that evening right ahead of
actually cooking the meal, andit was fantastic, like it is my
new favorite thing to do,because then when I find a block
of time, I can do some prep andthen, oh, it's so much easier.
That's been my absolutefavorite.
(02:49):
And then I've taken a couple oftrips recently where I thought
you know what, let me just ask,chat, because again, when you
only have an afternoon free,like what should I do this
afternoon in this city?
You know, I've got a couple ofkids with me, three adults,
whatever you know and what'sgreat to eat nearby the places
you're recommending.
So not only did it recommendactivities and things to do, but
(03:11):
it also said and while you'rethere, there's these three
restaurants that we'd recommend,based on, you know, and I was
like this is so great.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So great it really, really is, and I know a lot of
authors, cause we get a lot ofpeople who come to us because
they found us on chat GPTsearching like book publicity
services, book marketingservices.
So it's also being used as asearch engine, right, much like
Google, which is just it'sstaggering, but there are, you
(03:40):
know, there are a lot of booksout there on chat right now.
In fact, I was thinking theother day I'm like, oh, I should
write a book on you knowcreative ways that authors can
use chat GPT.
But a lot of these books arebuilt on the premise of having
chat make you rich, right?
So how to create, you know, Isaw this one account was how to
(04:02):
create a million dollar bookidea, how to make, how to start
a small business as a sidehustle and make a million
dollars in your first year, andstuff like that.
I don't really know.
I mean, I love chat.
We both Amy and I both do.
But I think you also have tokind of be careful how much you
rely on chat for like big lifedecisions, right?
(04:22):
I mean because, again, it's anAI, it's pulling from
information, but it's also theother thing to understand too
about chat is that what you getout is only as good as what you
put in.
So one of the things that Ithink is worth leading with
which we actually didn't talkabout when we were in the green
room, but it's definitely worthmentioning is the more
(04:45):
information that you can putinto chat, the better your
results will be as well, as youwant to really tell chat what it
is.
So one of the things that isreally fun to brainstorm is
having chat.
For example, like if you'rereally struggling with social
(05:07):
media, right, you might ask chatfor feedback on I'm on
Instagram.
I'm not really getting a lot offeedback.
Here's what I'm about, here'smy brand, here's my book, here
are future books that I haveplanned, or here's how many
other books that I have out.
But you would lead off sayingyou are a social media expert,
(05:31):
you're a, you know you're agenius at creating viral social
media content, etc.
And then you put all of theparameters into chat.
So it's really only as good asthe information that you give it
, because if you just say, giveme some social media ideas,
chat's going to spout out,because I tried that just in
preparation for the show andchat just spouted out a bunch of
(05:53):
nonsensical stuff that I wouldnever use, even if I was
desperate.
So I mean, it's kind of like,amy, what you were saying, like
with your meal planning stuff,you know you have to be really
specific on here is what, here'swhat we like to eat, here's our
schedule, here's what we have.
(06:14):
You know what I mean and thatkind of thing.
The more specific that you canbe with your directive to chat,
the better that your resultswill be.
The other thing that I want tosay, just personally, what I,
one of the things that I'velearned about chat is that, if I
like so, we Amy and I we sharea business chat account and we
have projects under in thevarious sections of chat.
(06:36):
Chat will allow you to createprojects, and when we first
started using chat, that wasn'tthe case, and one of the reasons
that I love these projects isbecause it keeps everything
under a particular project right.
So, for example, when Ifinished writing the Amazon
Author Formula workbook, Iactually uploaded it to chat and
(06:58):
I asked chat for what could Ihave done better?
I want you to give memanuscript feedback.
For what could I have donebetter?
I want you to give memanuscript feedback.
Where do you think the readeris?
You know I knew who I wrote thebook for, but I want to chat,
to read through it and give meits assessment of who they felt
(07:19):
that the book was for, to makesure that it had matched what I
did.
But I created a project forthat so that now everything
under the Amazon Author Formulaworkbook, all of the different
chats that I have, stay underthat project and it's much
easier to find it too.
So if you're going to use it forsocial media or if you're going
to use it for a particular bookand I've known authors to use
(07:40):
it to find plot holes because,you know, I mean, sometimes
we're our own worst enemies whenit comes to, you know,
especially if you write fictionand you're just like, oh, I know
that I missed something thelast thing that you want is to
have a reader post a review onAmazon, like, well, this whole
string didn't make sense,uploading it to.
I mean, obviously you want toget an editor and, by the way,
(08:02):
let me just say I know I'm kindof rambling about all the things
on cause I get so excited aboutchat.
Please don't use chat as youreditor ever.
I actually tried that Cause Ihad an author tell me that they
that's what they did.
The gobbledygook that chat spitout was just like I deleted the
entire string Cause it was just, it was nonsensical.
So I think book feedback is agreat idea.
(08:23):
Yeah, but um, I, you know, I, I, I would never have chat at it
at your book, no, yes, yeah, Iagree with you, penny.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's great to have it point out things to consider,
but don't have it fix things foryou.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes, Thank you, yes.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, have it.
It's great for pointing out,like you've said, plot holes.
I think that's brilliant.
Same thing for nonfiction.
You can ask it like do all this?
Are there any steps missing?
Are there any?
You know what I mean.
Missing.
You know what I mean Likethere's such great ways to have
it point out things that youcould potentially consider, but
still you should be the expertin your topic, you should be the
(09:04):
expert in your book, but takethose and consider like, okay,
can I do something more withthis?
But you definitely need to bethe one to create that
additional content and connectthose dots.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, cause I've actually used chat for, like, if
I'm kind of beating my headagainst the wall about what am I
going to post on social media,I've used chat to give me social
media ideas and I will say thatone of the things that I love
so much about using chat is thatI generally I would say
(09:37):
probably in 80 to 90% of thecases I don't use what chat has
created verbatim, but it helpsto spark my own creativity and I
think that is oftentimes thebest use of chat.
Gpt.
I get really concerned when,when I see authors using it very
literally yeah, um, and so youknow, I think, to spark ideas.
(10:00):
The other thing is is that Iactually had so, and as authors
you can also do this too.
So I had chat profile ourwebsite versus our competitors
out there, and I asked chat.
I said, okay, I want you totell me what I'm missing, what I
need to do more of.
And, of course, chats chatslike, oh well, you have to do
more video, green screen kind ofhave hanging in my office,
(10:29):
cause I know like, oh my gosh,I'll just have it ready when I
need to do video.
But then I, when I asked himfor video ideas.
Many of the ideas that it cameup with were a little absurd.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Right, it doesn't know the brand, it doesn't know
(11:01):
our audience.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know what I mean.
It doesn't, yeah, it doesn'treally know the brand.
So I think that.
But then there's also like, sothe learning and this is not to
discourage you from going tomedia expert and educator Break
down Instagram, break down theInstagram skill into a 15-day
crash course.
Each day should have a goal, apractice task and, if you want
(11:25):
to take it even further, one totwo advanced tips for learning.
And if you want to take it evenfurther, one to two advanced
tips for learning, so chat Imean.
And in that case, in thatinstance, because it's specific
enough yet it's still general,right.
So you're just looking forInstagram tips to master that
platform, to try to beef up yoursocial.
(11:50):
And, amy, you and I have usedthis for a lot of efficiency
stuff and and not necessarilybecause I'm not a huge fan of
automation, automatingeverything I like the
personalization that I thinkthat we bring to our stuff.
But in terms of, like, internaltasks and stuff, I mean oh,
yeah, it's been really helpful.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And we have a team member who I think I'm not at
all saying anything.
She wouldn't fully like give around of applause.
She likes to use it now becauseshe will actually write.
She, when she has new ideas,she'll start writing out her
email and then she'll put it inchat and have it like basically
ask it to make sure that it'slike all the key points are hit,
(12:33):
that it's super concise,basically ask it to make it make
sense for other people thataren't inside her brain.
And she's like it's been thebest ever because and I'm sure a
lot of people listening can,you know, relate to that a
little bit that sometimes youhave so many ideas buzzing
around in your head thatsometimes it's so hard to get
started and just figure out whatto do first.
Yeah, and you can dump thoseinto chat and just be very
(12:57):
brutally honest with them,saying I need to come up with a
better plan so I'm working moreefficiently.
You know what I mean.
Like, what are yourrecommendations?
What am I doing?
That's wasting time, thingslike that.
And it works really reallygreat.
And it's also been reallyhelpful in terms of sorting out
processes too.
Yes, you know, internalprocesses in, especially getting
(13:21):
them written out in ways thatmake sense to multiple people
that have different workingstyles, because it's a great way
for everybody to kind of followalong.
But then it's written out in avery just, straightforward way
that doesn't lean one way or theother in terms of learning
style or working style, and Ithink it would be really great
for those of you listening thatmay have the option to work with
(13:43):
a virtual assistant orsomething like that.
So if you want to createmanuals or tasks or anything
like that, to where you canpotentially offload some of your
work to a virtual assistant,that, using chat, would be a
fabulous way to make up a planand say okay, do we both agree
on this?
Excellent, you know what I meanTo ensure you have aligned
(14:05):
expectations and goals.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, exactly, and one of the things I think that
authors really struggle with iswhen they're doing because when
I talk to authors about thisparticular, this always comes up
when they're doing social mediaads, so Facebook and Instagram
or TikTok, whatever, they reallyhave a hard time writing the ad
copy, and one of the thingsthat I encourage them to do is
(14:29):
go into chat and say you're anaward-winning ad copywriter, I
want to create Instagram ads orTikTok ads, for you know, insert
your book title that hookreaders and generate emotion and
drive clicks.
Now, one of the things that Iwould recommend in that case is
don't just have chat, create onead.
I would have them create like10, because of the 10, eight are
(14:51):
not going to be spot on, butyou may get one or two that are
going to be really good.
Okay, and one thing that Istarted because I know I'm so
excited about this, I was soexcited about the show I started
down this rabbit hole and thenI kind of deviated off of there
by talking about projects.
Once you start a chat, once youstart a conversation, that isn't
going the way that you want itto go, like if you start it off
(15:15):
with bad directive and chat'sjust spouting out a bunch of
really random stuff.
Kill that and start over,because one of the things that I
have learned is that one singlechat conversation continues to
inform all of its answers.
So if you start it off with abad directive, it's going to
(15:37):
bleed into every.
So even if you say, oh okay,well, I really meant to say this
, and then you go back and yougive it a new directive, chat is
still pulling from that oldcontent.
It's a really weird kind of athing.
So kill it off, delete it andstart over, and that's something
that I found.
That's something else that Ifound with with chat too.
(15:59):
And yeah, I mean I and and,like I said, I just think that
that you can, the more specificthat you can be with chat from
the get-go.
And it's taken me, you know,it's taken me a while to really
learn to really get you know,get a handle on it Because, as I
(16:20):
said, a lot of you know there'sa lot of books out there on
chat GPT prompts that I thinkare potentially helpful, but
there's really way too muchstuff out there on how to get,
how to make, how to use chat GPTto make you rich, which is not
A it's not the purpose of thisparticular episode but B.
I don't really know how.
You know, I don't, I don'treally know how, how that can.
(16:43):
You know that that can work out, so we just did a show on um.
You know that can work out, sowe just did a show on Ask Me
Anything, the Reddit show thatwe did a couple of weeks ago.
If you end up doing an Ask MeAnything, you can brainstorm
ideas for doing that right.
So how you're going to presentit or what you're going to talk
about, things like that.
Amy, you came up with the ideaof book club questions, which I
(17:08):
love, because a lot of times,authors are so close to their
own they're too close to theirown topic.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes, and we always.
I realize a lot of ourrecommendations are.
They are homework for y'all,you know, and we talk about
bonus content a lot.
We talk about ways to keep yourreaders engaged with your brand
beyond the book.
Especially if you're going towrite multiple books, there will
be lags between releases andhow do you keep people coming
(17:34):
back to your website, to yoursocial, when you don't have a
book to be the star of all yourcontent?
So, creating bonus content,creating quizzes, creating tips
sheets, all those kinds ofthings, book club questions
these are amazing because thesecan be.
They can live on your websiteas leader, you know magnets to
(17:55):
collect emails.
They can be bonus downloads,you can use them as promos for
social media or your newsletterso many different things.
But chat is a great resourcefor again getting out of your
own head and just giving you newideas to consider that, like
Penny said, when you get tooclose to your own work,
sometimes it gets even harder.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does get harder, and
that's where I think that chat,using it as kind of and Amy uses
this phrase all the time usingit as a second brain, is really
it can really be beneficial tokind of help you get out of your
own way in some cases, right,the other thing is reader
demographics.
So I love when authors use chatto really drill down on their
(18:45):
reader demographics and I thinkthis is something that a lot of
times, I mean, even if you wereat the early stages of writing
your book, using chat toidentify you know what readers
want, who your ideal reader is,things like that.
If I had a dime for every timethat I've talked to an author,
that who does not know theirreader demographics, I'd be, you
(19:08):
know, I'd be richer than youknow.
You name your billionaire,whatever, but so reader
demographics.
I think staying current ontrending topics in your industry
.
My only hesitation with that isI think that's great, but my
only hesitation with that is Ithink that's great, but my only
hesitation with that is is thatthere's really nothing like
going to the source.
So I think following some keypeople in your industry and
(19:31):
maybe that's really where chatcan guide you instead just
because, like when we were doing, when we we just did the
podcast on the changes to theAmazon algorithm which dropped
last week.
So if you missed that, go backand check it out.
And I went into chat to getsome ideas, not necessarily for
(19:52):
the show, but I wanted to havechat tell me what other people
in the industry were sayingabout this particular change and
much of the content was reallyold change and much of the
content was really old.
So I think that I would takethe trending topics thing with
sort of a grain of salt, becauseI don't know and it could have
been just how I asked chatbecause as we did the heart back
(20:13):
to the first part of the showwhere we talked about what you
put in, you get out.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, you know, yeah, and this one too.
I tested it for a clientrecently that has a personal
finance book.
And what was interesting and Iagree, you always want to click
and we're going to talk aboutthis in a minute Do you always
want to vet what goes throughchat before you just run with
something?
You know you can't trust itindefinitely, but it was
(20:38):
interesting because it was ableto give examples of articles
coverage that was happeningaround their topic right now and
it was helpful for the authorto realize what they could
potentially be talking about inorder to garner more media
interest and more coverage.
Yeah, you know, because it waslike, okay, right now, these are
(21:00):
the kinds of articles that arepopping up and that are trending
for this topic and it'sinteresting to go check those
out, like you said, penny, justto see what's being talked about
and what's out there, becauseit was insightful to know this
clearly is what these sourcesare covering and they're doing
it for a reason, right?
So it's like, can you speak tothis?
(21:21):
And what was interesting, a fewof the results also mentioned
some changes in tax law, somechanges, so there was other
things.
That kind of again gave youmore things to consider that
maybe you wouldn't have come toon your own, because it's easy
to get laser focused on yourcontent when your area of
expertise you could actuallyspeak to things beyond the book.
(21:44):
You know what I mean.
But you get so laser focused onone thing that it's like, wait,
no, I can actually speak tothat too, and then your book's
going to organically getattention from that, just by
being out there as a name and asa source.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Exactly.
Yeah, I think that is.
I, definitely I.
I love chat for you know, doingindustry research, but again, I
think you, you definitely havepeople that you're that you're
that you're already following inthe industry.
(22:16):
So let's talk about some things.
To not use chat for All rightand I'm not just saying this
because we do Amazonoptimization here as a company
Do not use chat for keywords andcategories on Amazon.
I've tried it.
It's terrible, it's really bad.
Yeah, it's really bad, and Imean, some of the stuff that it
spit out was just like wow, it'svery convincing, which is why
(22:39):
it's dangerous.
Yeah, it's very convincing,that's.
The other thing, though, too,is that you really have to.
You have to kind of come atchat with sort of a critical
mind.
I was very excited about usingchat for SEO for our website, so
I went in and I poured my heartout to chat about SEO and I
sent it to Amy and she wasbasically like yeah, so we did
(22:59):
this, all this stuff like a yearago, and so there wasn't wasn't
anything.
I mean, some of it was evenscared wrong yeah, it was just
straight up wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
and also the data was bad in terms of you know we're
big fans of uber suggests neilpatel is on top of his stuff I'm
keeping his pd, you know.
So I also went through and didsome checks, just cross-checks,
between what chat was saying andthe number of searches it was
saying that certain terms weregetting and it was so far off
(23:33):
the mark.
Yeah, like in both directionsoverinflated numbers,
underreported numbers it wasjust like where is this coming
from?
But so definitely don't use itfor that either.
Or you know if, if you reallyit's your last resort have
another source to cross-check itand you might end up with a few
that work, but it's definitelyshouldn't be your one, and only
(23:54):
by any means yeah, yeah, Icompletely agree with that and
we have, you have, amy has Iwant to leave this to amy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
she has a funny story to talk about Media lists.
So we tried pulling.
We tried pulling, like I wantto see if chat because we have a
media database service that wepay for.
It's very expensive and I'mlike you know, I wonder if we
could just start using chat topull up our media and pitch
lists of the you know people wewant to pitch to outside of you
(24:24):
know, maybe just context that Ihave, you know, sitting in my
Rolodex.
Now I'm going to use a termthat just makes me sound super
old but, um, do you want to talkabout how the list worked?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
because they were so bad, yeah, and again, like we
said, it can be great forpushing you to think outside the
box, for sure, but you always.
This is another area where, ifyou want to use chat to get an
idea of who thought leaders areout there right now, or maybe
some podcast shows, what'sactually great about chat,
(25:00):
what's nice, is that they willshow you the sources that they
use to get that information.
And I've actually correctedchat before when I looked up
something and then it showed methe sources and it was like
Wikipedia and something else.
I'm like absolutely not.
That is not a source.
You need to look at X, y andactually told it what kind of
sources were acceptable and itit re it said sorry about that,
(25:23):
yes, looking into what you're.
And then I got some betteranswers, like I was expecting,
but I thought so always payattention to that too, because
when chat, when you're asking itif it's quoting anything
specific or data or anything,it'll tell you the source of
that and you really should lookat that with a critical eye as
well.
Where's that coming from?
(25:44):
But we actually had I mean,thank goodness an individual on
the team caught it but one ofthe recommendations for somebody
that we should contact based onthe topic that we were, the
individual had actually passed acouple years ago.
So that is another reason Donot trust chat blindly.
Check your sources.
(26:05):
Our team member was very smart.
She said yep, you know thatthat person has passed and I'm
glad I didn't send an email tothat individual, because what if
you know their family stillowns the business or whatever?
It's like?
Oh gosh, like talk about majorfaux pas, right?
Yeah, yeah, so that is one ofthose things too.
Like you definitely don't wantto blindly follow any
(26:29):
recommendations or any sourcesbecause they can be dated, like
Penny said.
Like sometimes they're just old, sometimes they're just dated.
It's really better for thinkingoutside the box in terms of you
can check them out, see whatthey cover, see what kind of
content they're putting out,check out their socials, but it
doesn't actually mean that thatis the right person to contact.
But it will start giving yousome great market research on
(26:53):
your topic, your genre, yourdemographic, things like that.
But that doesn't necessarilymean that the person that they
called out or outlet that theycalled it is is an exact right
fit, but it does give you somegood feedback.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
And then the other piece of it,I think, is um.
So we talked about editing umhashtags for social media.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're always yeah, it's another one.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So bad.
There's, even when I ask it forsocial media ideas like give me
some hashtags.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's like, oh my gosh , they're so bad I know when
they do that, I picture like alittle gremlin working behind
the scenes like eating popcornand like just like looking very
messy and like messing with us,sometimes Like I'm going to see
if they fall for this.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I think I mean the takeawayis is that you really don't just
blindly copy and paste.
You really have to.
You know, chat is great as it's.
It can be a time saver, it canbe an efficiency expert, it can
help you plan travel, do all thethings.
(27:57):
But there are.
But I think that you know,don't become too reliant on
absolutely everything that chatspits out to you, because it
could, you know, you and you.
The other piece of it, though,too, is that you always I mean
chat says that right up frontlike, oh, chat can make mistakes
, but then sometimes you getreally excited, you get content,
(28:17):
and then you read through itand you're just like well, I
would never say that.
I mean, and anybody who's everseen me speak in person and you
maybe glean that from just thepodcast like I'm super excited
about all the things, like I'mjust like, yeah, I'm just super
excited, but chat is even moreso.
Like chat is like 10 times thelevel of excitement that I have
(28:39):
on just any normal day.
The level of excitement that Ihave on just any normal day.
And that enthusiasm when it'son a page sounds a little psycho
.
I don't really know how else tonicely say it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
No, it's true, it's excited about everything.
Yeah, yeah, and it makes mesound like Eeyore.
Poor Penny, she'll sendsomething.
I'm like it's too happy.
Or poor Penny, she'll sendsomething.
I'm like it's too happy.
I'm like we, we, we are notthat happy, we can't possibly be
that happy.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's, it's, it's not realistic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know so.
So, again, you want to reallyget and, and you know, one of
the things that you can do isalso um, you can do is also you
can upload existing content thatyou've written and ask it to
mirror your voice.
(29:31):
But even then, which is why youreally want to give chat
something to work with.
So, if you are, you know, ifyou want to create a social
media plan, ideally you want itto mirror, you know, what you
already have.
So you want it to mirror yourvoice, what you already have on
on um, on social media, becauseotherwise it's just going to
(29:52):
come up with a bunch ofnonsensical stuff that's
probably going to sound wildlyexcited and if you send it to
Amy, she's going to be like sobut yeah, but we love chat, for
I mean, for all the things Ithink it's definitely worth
exploring how it can you know,how it can help you be, you know
(30:13):
, be more efficient and be yoursecond brain, because it's not
always easy being an author.
We've talked about that a loton this show in particular.
So I want to thank you all.
Did I miss anything, amy,before I close out the show?
Did we cover everything?
Nope, with that.
I want to thank you all so muchfor listening.
If this is your first timelistening, we have lots and lots
(30:35):
of shows.
Definitely go back to ourlibrary.
We have five years worth ofshows for you to peek in on and
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Wherever you listen to podcasts, I know the majority of you are
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I am blown away, amy.
When we were in the green room,she told us about how many
downloads that we're getting.
I am really blown away.
(30:56):
So y'all are listening andhopefully enjoying it, and if
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(31:16):
Bye-bye.
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