October 24, 2025 • 51 mins
Can a vision board help you design your dream life?
In this episode, Pushkar Anand, author of Manifest Your Infinite Riches and founder of the Centre for Infinite Riches, discusses what it truly means to manifest the life you want, beyond material wealth.
Pushkar shares his journey from a corporate career to pursuing an MBA at Cambridge and founding the Centre for Infinite Riches. He highlights actionable steps such as the Primary Vision Tool and the JJ Method for manifesting goals, while emphasizing the importance of taking inspired action, having faith, and seeking mentorship. He also touches upon publishing his book in India through Jaico.
The conversation also explores personal growth, developing clarity in your goals, and cultivating a mindset that supports meaningful action, using real-life examples to bring these ideas to life.
Tune in to this infinitely rich conversation about aligning your subconscious visions with reality, taking inspired action, and watching them manifest in your life.
Books mentioned in this episode:
- Chicken Soup for the Soul by Jack Canfield
- Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
- Bring Out the Magic in Your Mind by Al Koran
- Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda
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Tara Khandelwal (00:02):
Hi everyone.
Hope you are ready for thisepisode, because it may just
shift how you think aboutsuccess, purpose and the idea of
manifesting. But before we getinto that, do hit the Follow
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book lovers like you. So let meask you this, are you someone
who believes in Destiny, acosmic script being written for
(00:25):
your life? Every major mythologyhas its own god of faith. In
Greek mythologies, the Marai, inRoman myths, they call the
passe. And in the 21st Century,we've rebranded it, we call it
manifesting. Today's guest isPushkar Anand. He's a Cambridge
educated coach, and the authorof his new book, manifest your
infinite riches. So the reasonthat I really was interested in
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this book is because, you know,who doesn't want to achieve
their goals? Every one of us hasgoals and desires, and every one
of us has certain obstacles, andsometimes it just might be
ourselves. And this book gives areally great framework as to how
to achieve those goals, and ithas an amazing endorsement from
the legendary Jack Canfield, whois a co creator of the Chicken
(01:11):
Soup for the Soul, and he'scalled it the book we've all
been waiting for. So let's findout why. Welcome to the show.
Pushkar Anand (01:18):
Tara, thank you so much. I'm delighted to be
here and really look forward toour conversation.
Tara Khandelwal (01:25):
Let's talk about your own story, because
that might sort of help you knowthese lists, the listeners and
me as well understand how all ofthis comes into play, right? So
in the book, you tell your storyabout leaving a stable corporate
career and moving to Cambridgefor an MBA with your wife, a
young child, and $100,000 indebt, which sounds super
terrifying, but you describethat you absolutely felt
(01:48):
absolutely sure about going forit. So tell me a little bit more
about this journey of yourscrossroads. You know? Why the
decision to switch and then, ofcourse, you're you founded the
Center for infinite riches,which and your book is based on
the principles that you expoundin that center. So tell me a
little bit about your journey inyourself and and why and how you
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came to this philosophy.
Pushkar Anand (02:13):
No, absolutely, absolutely. That's a 15 year
journey we'll try keeping inabout four or five minutes.
Yeah. So I had had a prettytraditional career background.
Went to Cambridge, went to theLSE, worked with the world's
largest banks. But as I got to acertain point around, which is
around the age of 30 orthereabouts, and as well, set in
(02:34):
my corporate career, had thishuge urge within me to go to
Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard orYale. There was no there was not
much logic, but, and Iintrospected with it. I debated
with it for almost a year. Youknow, does it make sense? Does
it not make sense? Buteventually the heart won. The
intellect said, No, it doesn'tmake sense. The heart said it
does. So we packed up everythinghe used to work with what was
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then the world's largest bank.
So privacy reasons, I won't takethe name in India, and we gave
up our jobs. I had a three monthold, nine month old by the time
we left, and we took $100,000debt. That was, what, 1718,
years ago in those days, and wepacked off and went to
Cambridge. And I was petrifiedwhen we took that step. Once all
the adrenaline cooled down,because I said to myself, water
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doesn't work out, you know?
What? If things don't happen,what do I do? So I started
reading. I started readingbooks, looking for that
foolproof formula for success,which I never found. But I
started going closer and closerin that direction that went into
workshops and learning frompeople like Jack Canfield, for
example. I met this wonderfulman, Blaine Bartlett. I call him
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Grand Master b square. And justthe reading and workshops and
seminars went into learningdirectly from people who'd walk
the path. And over the next fewyears, as we got to covid Tara,
it became clear to me that myquest from finding this food
performance for success hadbecome looking for purpose. What
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is my purpose in life? Andeventually, I found my way to it
is about what I call empoweringor uplifting every human being
we meet so they can become theperson they always meant to be.
And that's when I said tomyself, wow, I've been through
15 years of a quest. You know?
I've been through what, upwardsof 500 books, 30 really serious
seminars, workshops, worked withthe biggest names of the last
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4050, years. I'm sure there'ssomething I can share with the
world. So all that I'd learnedthat I had a note form getting
into 1000s of pages, gotcondensed into 200 odd pages
into a book called manifestoinfinite riches, and the Center
for infinite riches. I used tocall it an enterprise initially,
but I think of it now as aneducational digital platform.
(04:44):
All the programs we have whichare based on this material, we
want to get out to people tohelp them, uplift them, empower
them. That's what the centerdoes. So the two essentially
come together with exactly thesame idea to expand. Around my
dharma, my purpose to empowerpeople, to help them become the
person they always meant to be.
(05:06):
So that's 15 years, and aboutwhat four or five months,
Tara Khandelwal (05:09):
I want to know more. I want to know more. How,
sort of you know after the MBA,sort of you know you're reading
all of these books and thingslike that, what happened from
completing your MBA to settingup the center, and what exactly
happens within the center.
Pushkar Anand (05:22):
So what's let's go back to, if you want to go
deeper into the journey. As Istarted reading more and more of
these books, from what was aninitial interest became a hobby.
A hobby became a passion. Apassion became an obsession. I
was literally obsessed. Youknow, I mean getting through
large numbers and listening, youknow, clearly sitting in
(05:44):
listening to those who'd beensaying it for donkey's affairs,
like getting into programsworkshops, you start to see
something within you starts tochange. It's what I call the
transformational process, themetamorphosis, right? It was a
long, long journey, but it's notsomething which happened
overnight, like this? No, it wasstep by step, month after month,
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year after year, and you wentdeeper and deeper into it. And
one biggest thing that came up,strangely enough, is, you know,
the the motto of the LSE isRerum, Cognis, Cognos, you know,
why are things the way they are?
What is the meaning of things?
And that is what kept spurringme on. It was never looking for
profit. It was never thinking ofa business. It was, you know,
(06:26):
What? What? My, my dear teacher,Blaine Bartley, Grand Master b
square, I learned from the firsttime, is inspired. I was
inspired to do it, not motivatedto do it. Inspiration comes from
within. That's the calling ofthe soul. Motivation comes when
you're looking for externalvalidation. And that was the big
difference. The first time in mylife I was going out and doing
something I was inspired to do,not motivated. Yeah. And then as
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the then, as we got to the book,the whole thought within me,
inside of me, was, well, whyjust stop at a book when you
want to take your message tomillions of people? Well, lately
I thought, why not try to get mymessage to a billion people in
my lifetime? It's got to gothrough a platform, and that
platform became the center.
Today is just the material wehave, but soon we're going to
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have other people presenting thesame material to the center. So
think of it as atransformational, educational
digital platform where peopleacross the world, in every
country, should have access tocontent that helps them uplift,
empower and become the personthey're always meant to be in an
exceedingly affordable
Tara Khandelwal (07:32):
way. Can you speak about some principles that
help you become the person youwant to be? Right? So I want to
speak more about sort of thosepractical exercises that you put
across in the book, because alot of it can sound very sort of
esoteric. So I want us to, sortof, you know, maybe in this
conversation, also just break itdown a little bit more. Yeah,
(07:53):
yeah. So Maybe one, maybe whatwe can do is like, maybe you can
speak about what your idea ofinfinite riches. What exactly
does that mean? We can startwith that. Yeah.
Pushkar Anand (08:04):
Let's, yeah.
Let's go back a step, actually,before we get to the name
infinite riches, let's, let's goback a step. And why don't I?
I'll ask you, Tara, you you tellme to you, as a evolved human
being, this conversation we'rehaving, what do you think for
the vast majority of humanityacross the world, you know, if
what clicked in their life,they'd be happiest and be their
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best versions.
Tara Khandelwal (08:30):
I think it has to do with Maslow's hierarchy of
needs. So once we sort of getthe basics, like food, shelter,
etc, and the basic comforts thatwe need to live, then they go on
to, you know, being selfactualization, sorry, then they
go on to self actualization,which means, you know, really
realizing their true potential.
I think everybody, I think allhuman beings are very creative,
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and we all want to expressourselves, and we all want to
express what is our truepotential as well. So I think
that's definitely something thateverybody has in common. Good.
Pushkar Anand (09:06):
Okay, great. I think that's a great answer, and
we'll, we'll delve into thatfurther. So let's say if all of
humanity leave out the fact ifthere's anyone suffering from a
terminal illness, but if weleave that out, what everyone
wants the most in this world isa certain amount of money
against the names that they'refinancially comfortable and do
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what you love to do. So if youcould do absolutely what you
love to do, which satisfies thecraving of your soul, and you
had the amount of money youwanted, there's nothing else we
want out of life, right? Becausethings like family, spending
time with them, cooking,something nice, a hobby, all
falls into place when you havetime. So it's time and money,
(09:49):
freedom. The highest thing we'reafter is time and money,
freedom. And that comes whenwe're doing what we love to do,
and we have as much money as welike. Yeah, that's in a simple
way, the you know, whichdovetails into Maslow. Well. And
if I were to come up with aformula or a way to live life
where you're doing exactly whatyou want to do, and the amount
of money you want you have, andmoney keeps chasing you, why
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would anybody not want to dothat? Right? And that is what
we're talking about here. Andare we not saying do something
rash if you're doing a certainjob that gives you a stable
income, you know, and you haveexpenses, you give it all up,
and tomorrow you start this newjourney. We're not saying that.
We're talking about atransformational process and how
that happens. We can get to thenext question of the question
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after but the the fundamentalfoundation of what we're saying
here is that you create a lifewhere you spend most of your
time doing what you absolutelylove to do which dovetails into
your or is aligned with yourdharma or purpose. When you do
that and you get to a certainvibration, the money you want
comes after you and chases you.
And when these two thingshappen, you leading that fullest
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possible life that you can. Thatis the fundamental premise of
what we saying in your infiniteriches we touched upon earlier
is your living that life thatyou always wanted to live.
You're becoming the person youalways wanted to be. So you
start with making an image,description, picture of who it
is you want to be, but talkabout what you can do and give
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before you start talking abouthow much money I want make the
money the side effect of whatyou do. You focus on something
so much bigger. Now, Iabsolutely love what I do. I
love the conversation I'mhaving. You can possibly hear it
from my voice. I love the wordsI write. I love the things I do.
I absolutely love money too, butI don't spend my hours chasing
money, and that is what I'mtrying to say. There's a big,
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big difference between waking upin the morning and saying, I'm
doing this because I want themoney, versus I'm doing this
because this is me. This is myideal. I've become my ideal. And
now let's see how much money Iwant, which comes after me, and
Tara Khandelwal (11:51):
translating that into how I do the practice.
Like, how do you get there,right? And you give a lot of
these examples in the book, somaybe you can take me through
one of them, right? So there'sthis Primary Vision tool that
you posit, which is a three stepprocess to clarify your life's
mission. And you say that youknow the step one. Step one is
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list between one and three ofyour biggest stand and step two
is list between one and three ofyour core values. And step three
is, if you had all you wantedand there was no financial need
to do to work, what would youlike to do? So how does, how
does tools like this? And how dowe actually get to that place
where, okay, money is chasingus, where we are doing what we
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want to do, because most ofhumanity is not living like
that, and that's what we reallywant to do. How do we get from,
you know, thinking that, Oh,this sounds really good on
paper, but it's not. It's maybeapplicable for other people.
It's applicable for Steve Jobs,but it's not applicable for me,
because I still have to do allof these duties and things like
that. So how do we get get fromsort of wanting it in, like
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dreaming about it, actuallymaking that a reality.
Pushkar Anand (13:06):
And that's, that's, that's a great, great
point, Sarah, and let's, let'sspend a few minutes on this. So
anything Steve Jobs could do,you can do and I can do in our
own respective fields. The firststep we have to take is we have
to open up our minds and accept,to ourselves that I have the
ability, in the means to becomethe person I was always meant to
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be. Then starts thetransformational journey. Anyone
who says this happens in a fewweeks or days is talking
rubbish. It doesn't happen in afew weeks, right? It is a simple
concept to understand, but it'snot an easy one to execute. It's
simple because it's not complex.
It's not easy because it'sdifficult. It's difficult
because we've never done it. Wehave 30 years, 40 years, 50
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years, 20 years of conditioningbehind us right now. How do we
do it? There are quite a fewexercises, models well explained
in the book. We can't getthrough each one. But let's
start with this basic one. Thewhat you refer to is the three
step reconnection tool, right?
Where we say that be absolutelytrue to yourself and list a
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handful of your biggest talents,right? I'm saying talents are
not skills. Working with Excelor PowerPoint is a skill, right?
The ability to look at numbersas a talent. They're two very
different things. And take yourtime. You don't do it in a
minute, take an hour, take days,but list a handful of your key
talents. 123, is a good number,usually. Then jump on to values,
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right? What are the things thatreally matter to me? Forging
relationships, collaborating,honesty, loyalty, adjectives,
lots of different adjectivesthere. Then once these two are
done, you come on to thebiggest, biggest question that,
what is it that I'd love to doif money were no reason, or say
I were a child and I were giventhe freedom to do exactly what
I'd like to do? What is it thatI'd want to do when you bring
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these three together and you getthe. Those answers, you start
devising an initial view ofwhere your heart is, or what is
the craving of your soul. Andthe best example I can share
with you here is, you know, Ithink everyone knows Jayco is my
publisher in India, but we havea different publisher globally.
It's today, what I call one ofthe UK's leading hybrid
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publishers. At one point it wasa small, tiny publisher looking
at small projects for authorswho wanted to sell 100 200
books. Cat Charles is the nameof the promoter we got together.
She was my one of my dearest,dearest clients, customers,
associates. Call it what youlike. She is transform row and
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mail just through this holdingthis vision in your heart of
what I want Rowan Vale tobecome, and actually becoming
that. Right? They've beenthrough that journey in the last
two years, from a small, nichepublisher to one of the UK's
leading hybrid ones, doingexactly what we're talking about
here.
Tara Khandelwal (15:57):
So you spoke about you gave an example of
that in the book. So can youwalk, maybe our listeners,
through how she filled in thosethree steps and how that vision
that she held has led to thattransformation?
Pushkar Anand (16:09):
So this is what we'll do. I'll spend a minute
and just tell you what it isthat cat did, and then I'll open
the book and talk you throughher answers, because I don't
remember them through memory.
Cat was the big thing thatstruck me about her the first
time we chatted, was that desirewithin her to become a
significant publisher within theUK with a certain global
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presence, was very, very strong.
She She was not one of those whothought that, why? Why I cannot
do it. The mindset always was, Ireally want to do it. I know I
can do it, but I don't know howto do it. So what we started out
with, we made a vision of who itis that she wants to become, in
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her case, more than her, hercompany, row and mail books,
which is obviously an extensionof her. We wrote out. Put images
there. Put pictures there.
Wrote, which are the keycountries she wants to be in,
what are the kind of employeesshe wants, what is the scale she
wants for a business, what arethe best selling number of books
she wants, things like that. Sowe made that document, and that
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is something I say to everybodyyou know, as I said earlier,
make an image words, pictures ofwho it is you want to be. Look
at it every day. See it everyday. When you do that, you get
in the vibration of that alreadythere that gives you nudges and
hunches to take action. You takeaction, ongoing Guided Action. I
call it and I chatted. When Jackinterviewed me, the first
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interview ever, ever did. Heused the term inspired action.
I've used the term ongoingGuided Action. Napoleon Hill
talked about something else inhis book, Think and Grow Rich.
But everyone's saying takingaction issues very aggressive
with her action and one thingled to the other to the third,
and she's become who she istoday. So with that background
there, let me just quickly getto that page, Tara, and try
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reading out her answers for you.
Okay, so step one we talkedabout Yep. List between one and
three of your biggest talents socats. Answers are project
management and forgingpartnerships. List between one
and three of your core values,honesty, fairness and balance.
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What would you love to do ifthere was no financial need to
work, empower others, especiallythose who need it most. Out of
this, we drew what we call herprinciple, primary principle
mission, empower authors,employees and underprivileged
entrepreneurs. Then, because catis cat, we went into two primary
submissions. Ensure authors havea seamless hybrid publishing
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experience. Pledge that everyRowan Well, employee,
freelancer, has optimum worklife balance. Ah, well. Primary
submission, three, facilitateunderprivileged entrepreneurs to
develop their enterprise.
Primary principle mission, RowanVale books is recognized
globally as a a leading ethicalhybrid publisher with brick and
mortar distribution. She reallywanted that B, a premier
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employee for naming employees offreelancers to achieve optimum
work life balance. And C, anestablished mentor to aspiring,
underprivileged entrepreneurs.
My cat's 37th birthday, April11, 2027, then we go into the
visions as well and thefinancial side effect. So I'll
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leave out the visions andthings, but my net worth is
dollar x by my 30th birthday.
Now this is a pretty importantpoint, because that is what I
call the financial abundanceside effect. She knows how much
money she wants. She's writtenit down. She sees it every day.
She believes it's there, butshe's not chasing it. She's
chasing the mission the wider.
Tara Khandelwal (19:40):
Course, I like those examples, because I think
that definitely when you have alarger mission beyond just you
know, the financial incentive,then money does come your way
because you are able to becreative. You're able to really
solve problems, like I've seenthat also in my own journey as
an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur,where my mentors always told me
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that, you know the money willcome. Just keep doing what
you're doing, keep solving theproblems that you're solving,
and you will find thoseopportunities. And then there'll
come a time when you know themoney will come, and I've seen
that happen as well for myself.
So I do believe in definitely,you know, having that larger
mission, and not only just doingit for the money, because your
creativity gets impacted. Oneother point, yeah,
Pushkar Anand (20:27):
absolutely, yeah, sorry, I'll just chip on, and I
fully agree with what you said,but at the same time, as I said
earlier, you know, I'm notchasing money, but I absolutely
love money, and I want everyoneto decide how much you want,
right? But what you're takingback in terms of money, make it
minuscule compared to whatyou're giving. So if you're
touching 100 million people, andyou're giving everyone value
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worth, say, $10 that's abillion, take back $1 a person,
rather than as much as you'regiving. Significantly, give so
much more than what you take.
Decide how much money you wantwith the right, right logic as
this, and see that figure everyday for 234, minutes, believe
you already have it. That'scritical, but don't chase it.
Tara Khandelwal (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, and we all obviously are chasing
it as well as the mission andeverything that we're doing,
because we have to live with,live with but I like that
framework where it's it is aboutthe money, but it's also about
giving much more than the moneythat we're taking. And I think
that's a good framework for alsosort of going forward and trying
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to achieve your goals. Because Ithink, as I mentioned before, as
human beings, I think we're allextremely goal oriented, and
we're very desirous. As aspecies, we all want and want
and want and another. Anotherthing that I really liked about
the book is that you say thatyou know that pursuit should be
not competitive, but creativeand the best, and you give
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examples of the best businessesthat really haven't looked at
competition, but have looked atcreating value themselves,
right, without really looking atthe market. And one example you
gave was Sony and anothercompany. And I forgot the other
company's name, but this othercompany wanted to buy Sony's
radios, and yes, and then Sonysaid that, oh, I we didn't want
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to do that, because they wantedto distribute under their own
brand name, and this othercompany said that nobody knows
Sony. And cut to, you know thatcompany, it's still worth a
billion dollars, but Sony'sworth $88 billion and I don't
even remember this company'sname when I've read the book,
but everyone knows Sony. And Ithought that was a great example
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of that concept.
Pushkar Anand (22:40):
No, absolutely.
Tara. And this is it itself. Isso blessed the way this example
popped up, you know? I mean, Iread this book Made in Japan,
our kumarita, when I was 18years old. That's when I read
it. And this example stayed inmy mind, you know. And 2527
years later, suddenly came backto me that, look at our
kumarita. This is post World WarTwo. Japan is nothing. America
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is the big production house, andhe goes there to as an upcoming
company. So need to tie up withBulova to sell their product.
Bulova says, great product, youknow, but we'll rebrand it under
ours, because who knows you? Youknow everyone knows us. And this
guy says, no, no, no, no, no,nobody knows us today, but in 20
years, more people will know usthan they know you and everyone
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the part of the leadership team,the executive board at Sony
said, Aki Morita, you're nuts.
You're crazy to give up thisopportunity. Let's go and do it.
He said, No, this is my vision.
This is the feeling in my heart,and this is what I'm going to
do. But that was his dharma.
Tara, his Dharma was creating anorganizer. He's not talking
competition at all, right, aJapanese powerhouse which goes
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across the world, you know,mission statements, something
that was the feeling in hisheart, and that is what he went
with. It had nothing to do withthe money. It had nothing to do
with competition. All it had todo was getting out there and
living his purpose of dharma.
And you see what Sony has becometoday. Sony is an example I gave
Ford when Henry Ford set it upas another example, there's SC
Johnson and Sons Tata, you know,all of these. The whole concept
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was, we're out there to createsomething magnificent. We're not
talking about stealing from theother guy. You know. I mean,
what is competition, as far as Isee? I mean, it's sometimes in
interviews, I get asked, right?
So which authors are biggestcompetitors? And I laugh it off
and say, there are nocompetitors. There is no
competition. You're out there toput your wares in front of
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people in a certain way, right?
And whoever sees value in whatyou're doing from your creation
will work with you or buy yourwares because you give them so
much more value. What iscompetition? If you put yourself
in that vibration, there is nocompetition.
Tara Khandelwal (24:48):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that. You know, havingthose blinders on is very, very
useful, because oftentimes whathappens is that you get so
obsessed with the competition,then you're constantly looking
left and right and you.
Constantly looking what they aredoing, and then you may not
innovate yourself, because youmay not come up with the next
big thing. Or, you know, youmight not identify the gap in
the market because you arecompeting on those small
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increments with people aroundyou. But at the same time, of
course, we are all in a market,and we have to be aware of what
works and what doesn't. Whichbrings me to my next point. You
know, because you talk about thedifference between having these
goals that are having thesegoals that help you become the
version of yourself that youreally want to be. But also,
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what is that balance between,you know, being reasonable and
realistic, like, I can have agoal that I want to fly, but
that's never going to happen,right? What is the difference
between, you know, having thesedreams. And also, you know,
situating on having big dreams,large dreams, thinking things
are possible, and expanding thatrealm of what's what you think
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is possible for yourself. Visa Vbeing, you know, realistic about
things as well.
Pushkar Anand (25:58):
Okay, so this is a very, very interesting
question. Tara, let's, let's,let's talk about it. I'm sure
you're familiar with GeorgeBernard Shaw and with the with
the Wright brothers. So beforethey made the first airplane, I
think it was Oliver saying toWilbur, one was a bit
disillusioned, and he said,Look, I can see, I can see a
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plane there. He was alreadyseeing it as having happened. He
had no idea how it will happen.
Yeah, one of George my favoritequotation, George Bernard Shaw,
he said the reasonable man. Heused the term man versus human
100 years ago. He said it. Thereasonable man looks at what is
something along these lines andsays, This is great. You know
something similar about whatthings are. The unreasonable man
looks and says, Well, why is itnot this way? Why not? Therefore
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progress depends on theUnreasonable Man right now. One
of my own favorite words is thatif you keep doing what you've
been doing, you'll keep gettingthe results you've been getting.
If you keep doing reasonable andrealistic things, you'll keep
seeing reasonable and realisticresults. It's when you look at
unreasonable and unrealisticthings, and you do unreasonable
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unrealistic things, you'll getunreasonable and unrealistic
results. Now that's the concept.
How does it translate into inpractice, if the feeling in your
heart you made that commentlightly, and I want to fly. I'm
not going to be able to fly. Andif that is the calling of yours
or somebody's soul, how canhuman beings start to fly? And
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you put in your life into doingthat, I can assure you, you'll
find a way that human beings canfly. We already paraglide. The
Flying does not mean we growwings. Then we going against
nature, but there would be waysto make us do that
recreationally, the way Amazongets, you know, goods to our
houses every other day. Now takethat vision and think you put
yourself in that vibration.
Human beings are flying to workwith wings. It's a very
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different world. But if you makethat your vision, devote your
life to it, the ways will startto come. The issue is all of us
get stuck with, how will ithappen? And anyone who's done
anything of significance ormagnificence in their lives
never worries about the how. Theway to do it is, write down what
the goal is, what the missionis, what the purpose is. You Gen
start generating the feelingwithin you that it's already
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happened. You already are thatperson. So if you're doing a
nine to five job, but yourvision is to change the world
through your words, for example,then you create a one pager of
that ideal world and vision. Andevery day you look at it, five
minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes,you generate within you the
feeling of it already there.
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Steve Jobs is the grand masterof this concept called reality
distortion field, he'd assumewhat he wants is there, and the
real reality distorted aroundhim, manifested into a new
world. Because all we're talkingabout is energy here. Now, when
you're on that vibration everyday, as I alluded to earlier,
you'll get feelings or hunchesto take action. So let the day
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job continue. Nobody's saying gointo financial ruin, but those
feelings and hunches you get totake the next step, get out and
take it. It might be a smallinvestment. It might be reaching
out to somebody. I talk in oneof the chapters about how Jack
can feel, popped into my lifeand the other way around. And
this is a real example, Tara. Ididn't know Jack from Adams,
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which I had such a strongfeeling within me that he plays
significant part helping mymessage across the world. And I
went with that feeling. One stepwent to the right. I know Jack
well, and he's helping me. Whatdo I do? One thing to the other,
to the third to the fourth, andboom, we ended up getting
interviewed, gettingendorsements, and God knows how
many people he shared mymessage. Tell me a little bit
(29:41):
more
Tara Khandelwal (29:41):
about that, but that story, there we go.
Pushkar Anand (29:45):
So I was, there's, there's a certain book
from a certain author used toread, and this is all, it's all
in my book. And that particularday, I had such a strong calling
not to pick up that book, but topick up the book right next to
it, the book. Lie. Next to it,the book called Chicken Soup for
the Soul, some old edition goingby, God knows, 20 years. So I
(30:06):
just opened it, and I got to apage where there's a story Jack
talks about a guy called MontyRoberts, I think he's now the
horse whisper or something,where Monty is a kid from a very
average background a certainschool years ago in America, and
the teacher says, Write out yourdream essay. All children write
an essay, and Monty comes back,talks about this, owning a horse
ranch with hundreds of acres andsomething huge, and the teacher
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tells him that this is a veryunrealistic dream for a child
with a family background likeyours. So think about it's a
well written essay. If you cleanit up, I'll give you a pass,
otherwise you're a fail. So hegoes back home, asks his father,
father doesn't know, comes backthe next day and tells the
teacher, I've thought about it.
You give me the failed grade, soyou keep your grade, but I'll
keep my dream. And 3040, yearslater, he had exactly that ranch
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where the teacher bought a bunchof kids to look at big ranches.
The teacher apologized and said,I'm really sorry for being a
dream killer. And when I readthat, I don't know from where it
happened. I had this flash in mymind, and I had a lump in my
throat. I just saw Jack sittingthere and endorsing and helping
me spread my message across theworld. I was born on that
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vibration, and I never movedaway from there. How do I get to
Jack? How do I get to Jack?
Right? And the answers came. Theanswers came. There was an
option to get interviewed byhim. I went through the process,
got chosen to do that. BlaineBartlett, Grandmaster, my dear
teacher. He'd known Jack a longtime. He put in a word as well.
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Jack said, All right, let meread the book. I like the first
2000 words. I'll do all I can tohelp. He said, I absolutely love
the book. This is the book we'veall been waiting for. That's how
it happened.
Tara Khandelwal (31:41):
I think when we speak about manifesting, we
always think it's something sortof not devoid from action. But
what I like about this book isyou put in a framework for how
manifesting is has to be atandem with your actions and
actually your brain is. Thebrain is very interesting
creature, because if, as yousaid, we are already attuned to
(32:04):
a certain thing, then all aroundus, we'll start seeing that
thing, kind of we'll see we'llstart seeing parts to that
thing. We'll say, Oh, if you Ionly want to make a movie one
day, I want to really produce amovie, maybe I'll pay more
attention when somebody talksabout a script writer friend
they know, whereas earlier, Iwouldn't have at all. So your
brain picks up on these small,small things, and then you can
(32:27):
take those actions. Because, asyou mentioned before, it's
already so ingrained into yoursystem, and it's so ingrained
and it's so top of mind, thatany little clue that happens
that that you see that will leadyou to the thing that's top of
mind is easier for you toidentify. And I think that's the
power of manifesting. And it'sfirst to really understand,
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okay, what is it I really wantto be and what, what is it I
really want to do? And I think alot of us get stuck at that,
actually, we are not able tocreate that one page of you
know, here's what I want to do,here's what I want to be, and
have that vision for ourselves,because that itself requires a
suspension of reality. And a lotof us are very it's very hard to
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get out of that
Pushkar Anand (33:16):
absolutely that, I think very, very well said, it
is a suspension of realityneeded. And as I alluded to
earlier, you keep doing the samestuff, the same life carries on.
Suspend reality. Get intoreality. Distortion field.
Create a very clear image,description, words, pictures of
who you want to be. Keep thevalues intact. What you're
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giving is so much more than whatyou're taking right? Focus on
the Dharma. Put yourself on thatvibration. You will, on a
regular daily basis, havehunches and feelings about what
to do. You're on that vibration.
People turn up into your life,right? It just, I mean, I never
knew, for example, that yourpodcast existed what point in
time. But somehow, through chainof events, which both of us know
(34:01):
here we're having aconversation, how did that
happen? It's a vibrationalmatch. That's exactly how it
happens. But take action. Takeaction every day, show up, do
what you have to do, and yourvibration will start to change.
And eventually you'll get there.
And sometimes, quite often, theaction you asked to take, the
hunches you get is not entirelylogical, because if it's logic,
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it's coming from the intellectof the brain. If it's beyond
logic, it's feeling, it's comingfrom a source much higher. You
see, the mind is not the brain.
The mind is absolutely not thebrain. The mind is the conscious
and subconscious. Conscious isso much closer to the brain. The
subconscious goes beyond that'swhat's connected to your soul,
and it's the patterns in thesubconscious that determines
what comes out in your life as amanifesting experience.
Tara Khandelwal (34:48):
And we spoke a lot about Steve Jobs, and I
really love this quote of SteveJobs, where he said that, you
know, all the dots connect lateron, he's like, I don't know, I
did a calligraphy. Course, Ididn't know why I did this or
that. And then later. Data, allof those dots, all of the
seemingly random things he didin his youth, in his life, when
he was creating the iPhone orthe Apple products, all of those
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things magically just cametogether, you know. So I think
also it makes me think a lotabout having faith in yourself
and faith in the process,because I think it's very easy
to also lose that faith on a dayto day basis, right? Like I'm
taking the action I want to bethis person, I just don't see a
way out. I don't see how it'sgoing to happen. But a lot of it
(35:31):
has to do with also maintainingthat conviction. What advice do
you have for people to maintainthem that conviction and
maintain themselves in thatvibrational frequency that you
said,
Pushkar Anand (35:41):
absolutely, absolutely Tara. And look, this
is, it's a reality. It's, it'sthe process we go through. We've
got to be for some point intime, we'll be schizophrenic.
We're living in two differentworlds, right? We are awake
1617, hours in a day as youstart this exercise or this
journey at the absolutebeginning, Tara, 15 and a half
(36:06):
to 16 hours of those 1616. And ahalf will be your whole life,
absolutely but when you come upwith this new image description
what you want to be, it startsto change slowly, so slowly, so
small. Initially, you can't eventell when you go into your
sacred space once, twice, threetimes a day, and you feel you've
already become who you have tobe. That is 2030 minutes in the
(36:30):
day, when you're in the newreality. As you start taking
action and more action andthings start to change. The 2030
minutes goes up. 45 minutes,hour. 90 minutes, two hours, and
gradually the whole thing startsto come almost equally, and then
you start becoming who youalways meant to be. Now, do not
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lose conviction. Easier saidthan done. How do we make sure
we don't lose it? You make sureby developing the skill and the
habit to have faith, and thathappens when you do more of the
same every day. These 10minutes, once, twice, three
times a day, these are themagical moments where there's
nobody in your life. There's noconditioning, there's no one out
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there. Get on that vibration.
Write it out. Say it toyourself. Write an eye to me.
Letter you know of what yourperfect life is. Affirm. Make a
mind movie. I talk about mindmovies. Natalie led well better
anything which puts you on thatfeeling that I never got a great
neville goddard used to say,assume the feeling of the wish
fulfilled. Assume you alreadyare who you want to be. Do it
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only for those 10 minutes, threetimes a day. That's fine. It's
okay, but that will start to putyou in the journey of the right
direction. Ignore what isphysically happening around you.
Learn to feel from the sensesinside, not the physical senses
of hear, see, taste, smell,touch. We're accustomed
education across the world is goby the physical senses. What
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we're saying is fine. Putting itloosely, be like a Jedi. Feel
your way from inside, not whatyou see outside, and that takes
time study, unlearning whatwe've learned, and starting to
live life in a new way.
Tara Khandelwal (38:10):
Yeah, I think the other thing is that you know
when you go into that space andwhen you have that conviction,
and you, as you said, faith is askill. And I really do think
that faith is a skill, becauseit's not a very easy thing to
have conviction in yourself andto be on that vibrational
frequency, you know, like as anentrepreneur, also myself.
There's so many times that Ilose that conviction, and then I
(38:30):
have to, I have to really sortof work at it. And luckily, I
have people in my life who helpme with that conviction. But
then there's a lot of otherpeople, not just, it's not just
for me, but in everybody's lifewhere, you know, people say, Oh,
this can't be done. No, this isnot possible, or this is not
going to happen for you, youknow. So I think to also shut
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off those voices is veryimportant, because you need to
have that conviction and faithand belief that, okay, you know,
I'm working on my goals, and atthe end of the day, if it
happens, it happens. If itdoesn't, I think that's also
okay. It's just about also thejourney, and that process of
getting there something or theother will work out.
Pushkar Anand (39:09):
Absolutely that's that's a big, big point you
make, and I want our listenersto take that away as well. Is
that when you're out on yourjourney, make sure you got a
handful of mentors. I did avideo on mentors as well, always
234, who've walked the path thatyou want to walk, who've become
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similar to the person you wantto become. Find them. Go to
them. Mark Twain has said, greatpeople only lift you up. It's
the small people who push youdown. True mentors will always
help you. So when you want toachieve something or become
someone, don't speak to family,friends, uncles, aunts. We all
do that across the world.
Neighbors. What does theneighbor know? What does Auntie
(39:51):
X or uncle J or parent know? Butthey haven't done this? Go to
those who've done it right. Andwhen I made my way, whether it
was Jack Blaine. Or the other Isaid, Look, this is what you've
done in your life. I'm out to dothe same thing. Help me. The
other person picks up the heartvibe, connection, and they will
always help you. Because anyonewho's done anything of value in
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life wants to make sure the workthey did once they've moved on
or stopped doing it continues.
They look for people who cangive physical forms the same
kind of work they'd love to dothis. And when you feel down and
out, it's not working out. Goback and think what your mentors
told you in the down days. Well,you will do this. I know you
have the potential. I know yourheart is there or whatever, or
(40:33):
pick up the phone and call them,but this is a hugely important
support structure to have,because they are the ones who
are ahead of you in your lifejourney, they can tell you where
you're going to fall, how youget up, and what you have to do.
So don't underestimate the powerof that. And I think you alluded
to it also, and it's reallyessential. We all you want to be
a sandwich maker. Find the bestsandwich maker there is go and
(40:55):
ask for guidance. Absolutely, I
Tara Khandelwal (40:57):
think couldn't agree more with the power of
learning from other people andmentorship. So let's pass some
myths around manifesting in yourexperience. What are the most
harmful or misleading ideaspeople have about this practice?
Pushkar Anand (41:11):
Absolutely, I'll clap my hand and I'll have the
boyfriend, the girlfriend of mylife. I'll clap my hand and I'll
say something to the universe,and I'll have a million dollars
tomorrow. It's not some airyfairy hocus pocus wiffle waffle
exercise as it's been made tobecome in some ways. You know,
over the years, no, everyone'sbeen manifesting all their
lives. We all do. You know, whatis manifestation? It's giving
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physical form to feeling insideof you or desire inside of you.
That's all. There's nothing elseto it. Now, a manifestation
experience is a directreflection of the pattern in
your subconscious mind. That isit there is nothing else that's
there. We all fed patterns intoourselves subconscious the first
710, years of our lives. Thatbecomes our conditioning. Then
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we have to uncondition and put anew pattern. So if, for example,
somebody's net worth is $100,000it's because the pattern in the
subconscious, for the financialsis $100,000 it's not a million,
because if it were be, you'dhave a million in front of you,
right? So what we have tounderstand is, we all always
manifest, whether we accept itor not. It's a direct reflection
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of the pattern the subconsciousmind, the pattern is nothing but
the rate of vibrationalfrequency. That is what's been
fed into us over many years.
That's why it's calledconditioning. That's why it
takes time and repetition tochange it. Because you take out
the old pattern, replace withthe new one, therefore
repetition and time are needed,and therefore the whole process
of manifesting somethingworthwhile does not happen
overnight. I think
Tara Khandelwal (42:41):
definitely patience is the name of the game
here. And with anything in life,if you want to be really fit,
and you're starting from a placewhere you're not fit, you don't
gonna get fit in one one day.
You're gonna have to worktowards it, and it'll happen
with time and patience andsticking to it. I think people
have the hardest time stickingto it,
Pushkar Anand (42:59):
yeah, oh, absolutely. There's that phrase.
I don't recall who said it,Tara, but I absolutely love it,
that infinite patience givesimmediate results. Now this is
why it's so powerful. We talkedabout the vibration earlier. If
you in the vibration of alreadyhaving become the person you
always meant to be, then whatare you chasing? There is no
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patience needed if, in yourmind, you already are the world
outside of you changes, and thatis what we have to work towards.
You know, we have to feel thejoy and give thanks for who we
are. So life carries on, andthen the whole concept of
patience evaporates becauseyou're seeing life from the view
of the person you're trying tobecome. That's when the shift
(43:41):
happens and the vibrationchanges.
Tara Khandelwal (43:44):
That makes sense. Then you don't need
patience. Yeah, that's a goodway to look at it as well.
You're already there. So onething is interesting, you
created something called the JJmethod, which is based on an
impromptu audio message yourecorded for a student during
your visit to Jack Canfield, theauthor of chicken soup program
in California. And this, this isabout shifting your vibrational
(44:06):
energy. So we spoke a lot aboutgetting to that vibrational
energy. How do you get then? Canyou tell us about the moment
that inspired this creation ofyour JJ method? And what? What
is this?
Pushkar Anand (44:17):
Oh, goodness me, JJ is a great guy. So he's not a
student. Actually, he's a dearfriend associate. I'll call him.
He's a musician who lives inSanta Barbara, not far from
Jack's. And Jack's firm used himas an Uber cabbie quite a few
times. So I said I needed a carwhen I was there. So JJ, was
there for me, and we, you know,he spent a couple of days
(44:38):
traveling around, wonderful man,hugely service oriented, but
wanting to make a shift in lifewith his dream and the finances
that go with it and all of thatgood stuff. So we had lots of
meaningful conversations. Tara,but the JJ method is around when
we were driving after I was doneat Santa Barbara, He's driving
me to San Francisco, and on theway, I suddenly had. A huge
(45:01):
heartfelt connection with hismusic and with his dreams and
aspirations. So the music thatcomes up in our videos in the
first 20 seconds is histrademark, proprietary music
that he's allowed me to usethere. So there was this huge
moment I had thinking about themusic and JJ, and when I looked
(45:21):
at the clock, it was 111 in thecar. We talked about with JJ how
he could do what he loves to do,and have that certain amount of
finances against his name. And Imade an absolutely impromptu
affirmation self talk recording,which is actually there in the
JJ Method program on thewebsite, lasted about two
minutes or something. It wasmade absolutely impromptu,
(45:43):
recorded on my good old, old,miserable, broken iPhone, which
is then put on the program onthe website. And it came
straight from the heart. It wasa recording of JJs, ideal life,
what he's doing with his music,the impact he's making in the
world, and how much money he hasagainst his name. It was about
one of the things included therewas taking his bank statement
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and cutting out what it is andputting there exactly what he
wanted, and listening to therecording in my voice twice,
three, four times a day, and asit elevated his vibration, going
out and taking action and doingwhat has to be done. Now we
haven't spoken in a while. Idon't know how disciplined he's
been with the recording, but thewhole JJ method is a 20 minute
program. Was all around exactlythis that you can instantly
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change that vibration if you dothe work needed be disciplined
around it, and there's nothingthat's getting in your way.
Wonderful.
Tara Khandelwal (46:36):
And can you tell me a little bit more about
the writing and publishingjourney and the publishing
journey with Jaco.
Pushkar Anand (46:43):
Ah, the publishing journey with Jaco,
well, that is, that is somethingvery dear to my heart, as I had
my book complete in terms of thefinal manuscript, and I asked
myself, you know, India,obviously my own connection,
lots of people there who couldbenefit. Who do I want to
publish with? And the only namein my heart, in my mind, was
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Jacob. There's nobody else Iwanted to work with that was
absolutely clear where thefeeling came from, where the
sentiment came from. I thinkgoes back a very, very long time
when I might have read Jacobbooks when I was a kid. So I
went, went to my agent and said,I want to publish with Jaco, and
nobody but Jayco. So themanuscript was sent. It was well
(47:28):
received. Then there areconversations around, you know,
certain tweaks and what themission is and what we want to
do, which I think we did ratherpeacefully and before we knew
what the whole thing manifested.
And putting it simply, yes, thedream in my heart was to be a J
co author. And I think thatpretty seamlessly, just happened
as though it was effortless, ina way, effortless in a way,
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actually, yes, hugelyactionable, lots of things
within the journey, but justseemed absolutely natural and
effortless. And that's anothervery interesting beta around
what we out do. Does it feelnatural, and if we're talking
about your example of putting onwings and flying, does it feel
natural to you? Did it feelnatural to wright brothers that
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we're going to put an airplaneup there? Did it feel natural to
Henry Ford that people are notgoing to use horses and
carriages with a mechanicalthing, which we call an
automobile, that feeling naturalis what comes down to that
feeling in the soul that comesto the heart and expresses
itself out there.
Tara Khandelwal (48:32):
What about is there a manifestation that
didn't work? And what did itteach you?
Pushkar Anand (48:38):
I think enough times it hasn't worked, but when
it doesn't work, Tara, it's notthat the laws of nature have
changed or the process haschanged. It's because we make
mistakes, including me. All See,we all human beings at the end
of the day. We not, we notnature in an absolute sense. We
embodiments of nature. Wenature's grandest embodiment as
human being, but we not thewhole concept of nature
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ourselves. So we make mistakes.
In my early days, I said, I wantthis much money. I want this
much money. And then I today, ifI look back and see it's exactly
what I was. It's not aboutwanting a certain amount of
money. It's about whole changingour equation, right? So I failed
enough times, but I know why Ifailed and how I can correct it,
and the same goes for all of us.
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The rules of nature, the lawsare the same for all of us. When
it doesn't happen, it meanswe're not doing it in the way we
should. That is the lesson totake from it and do it the right
way.
Tara Khandelwal (49:33):
Thank you so much. This has been a very rich
conversation, and I think whatstood out to me was that
manifesting is in magic. It'smindset and action. Thank you so
much. I think
Pushkar Anand (49:45):
it's been a great conversation. I've thoroughly
enjoyed it, but I wish you'dsaid it's not been a rich
conversation. It's been aninfinitely rich conversation.
Tara Khandelwal (49:54):
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who believes in Destiny, acosmic script being written for
(00:25):
your life? Every major mythologyhas its own god of faith. In
Greek mythologies, the Marai, inRoman myths, they call the
passe. And in the 21st Century,we've rebranded it, we call it
manifesting. Today's guest isPushkar Anand. He's a Cambridge
educated coach, and the authorof his new book, manifest your
infinite riches. So the reasonthat I really was interested in
(00:47):
this book is because, you know,who doesn't want to achieve
their goals? Every one of us hasgoals and desires, and every one
of us has certain obstacles, andsometimes it just might be
ourselves. And this book gives areally great framework as to how
to achieve those goals, and ithas an amazing endorsement from
the legendary Jack Canfield, whois a co creator of the Chicken
(01:11):
Soup for the Soul, and he'scalled it the book we've all
been waiting for. So let's findout why. Welcome to the show.
Pushkar Anand (01:18):
Tara, thank you so much. I'm delighted to be
here and really look forward toour conversation.
Tara Khandelwal (01:25):
Let's talk about your own story, because
that might sort of help you knowthese lists, the listeners and
me as well understand how all ofthis comes into play, right? So
in the book, you tell your storyabout leaving a stable corporate
career and moving to Cambridgefor an MBA with your wife, a
young child, and $100,000 indebt, which sounds super
terrifying, but you describethat you absolutely felt
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absolutely sure about going forit. So tell me a little bit more
about this journey of yourscrossroads. You know? Why the
decision to switch and then, ofcourse, you're you founded the
Center for infinite riches,which and your book is based on
the principles that you expoundin that center. So tell me a
little bit about your journey inyourself and and why and how you
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came to this philosophy.
Pushkar Anand (02:13):
No, absolutely, absolutely. That's a 15 year
journey we'll try keeping inabout four or five minutes.
Yeah. So I had had a prettytraditional career background.
Went to Cambridge, went to theLSE, worked with the world's
largest banks. But as I got to acertain point around, which is
around the age of 30 orthereabouts, and as well, set in
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my corporate career, had thishuge urge within me to go to
Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard orYale. There was no there was not
much logic, but, and Iintrospected with it. I debated
with it for almost a year. Youknow, does it make sense? Does
it not make sense? Buteventually the heart won. The
intellect said, No, it doesn'tmake sense. The heart said it
does. So we packed up everythinghe used to work with what was
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then the world's largest bank.
So privacy reasons, I won't takethe name in India, and we gave
up our jobs. I had a three monthold, nine month old by the time
we left, and we took $100,000debt. That was, what, 1718,
years ago in those days, and wepacked off and went to
Cambridge. And I was petrifiedwhen we took that step. Once all
the adrenaline cooled down,because I said to myself, water
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doesn't work out, you know?
What? If things don't happen,what do I do? So I started
reading. I started readingbooks, looking for that
foolproof formula for success,which I never found. But I
started going closer and closerin that direction that went into
workshops and learning frompeople like Jack Canfield, for
example. I met this wonderfulman, Blaine Bartlett. I call him
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Grand Master b square. And justthe reading and workshops and
seminars went into learningdirectly from people who'd walk
the path. And over the next fewyears, as we got to covid Tara,
it became clear to me that myquest from finding this food
performance for success hadbecome looking for purpose. What
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is my purpose in life? Andeventually, I found my way to it
is about what I call empoweringor uplifting every human being
we meet so they can become theperson they always meant to be.
And that's when I said tomyself, wow, I've been through
15 years of a quest. You know?
I've been through what, upwardsof 500 books, 30 really serious
seminars, workshops, worked withthe biggest names of the last
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4050, years. I'm sure there'ssomething I can share with the
world. So all that I'd learnedthat I had a note form getting
into 1000s of pages, gotcondensed into 200 odd pages
into a book called manifestoinfinite riches, and the Center
for infinite riches. I used tocall it an enterprise initially,
but I think of it now as aneducational digital platform.
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All the programs we have whichare based on this material, we
want to get out to people tohelp them, uplift them, empower
them. That's what the centerdoes. So the two essentially
come together with exactly thesame idea to expand. Around my
dharma, my purpose to empowerpeople, to help them become the
person they always meant to be.
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So that's 15 years, and aboutwhat four or five months,
Tara Khandelwal (05:09):
I want to know more. I want to know more. How,
sort of you know after the MBA,sort of you know you're reading
all of these books and thingslike that, what happened from
completing your MBA to settingup the center, and what exactly
happens within the center.
Pushkar Anand (05:22):
So what's let's go back to, if you want to go
deeper into the journey. As Istarted reading more and more of
these books, from what was aninitial interest became a hobby.
A hobby became a passion. Apassion became an obsession. I
was literally obsessed. Youknow, I mean getting through
large numbers and listening, youknow, clearly sitting in
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listening to those who'd beensaying it for donkey's affairs,
like getting into programsworkshops, you start to see
something within you starts tochange. It's what I call the
transformational process, themetamorphosis, right? It was a
long, long journey, but it's notsomething which happened
overnight, like this? No, it wasstep by step, month after month,
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year after year, and you wentdeeper and deeper into it. And
one biggest thing that came up,strangely enough, is, you know,
the the motto of the LSE isRerum, Cognis, Cognos, you know,
why are things the way they are?
What is the meaning of things?
And that is what kept spurringme on. It was never looking for
profit. It was never thinking ofa business. It was, you know,
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What? What? My, my dear teacher,Blaine Bartley, Grand Master b
square, I learned from the firsttime, is inspired. I was
inspired to do it, not motivatedto do it. Inspiration comes from
within. That's the calling ofthe soul. Motivation comes when
you're looking for externalvalidation. And that was the big
difference. The first time in mylife I was going out and doing
something I was inspired to do,not motivated. Yeah. And then as
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the then, as we got to the book,the whole thought within me,
inside of me, was, well, whyjust stop at a book when you
want to take your message tomillions of people? Well, lately
I thought, why not try to get mymessage to a billion people in
my lifetime? It's got to gothrough a platform, and that
platform became the center.
Today is just the material wehave, but soon we're going to
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have other people presenting thesame material to the center. So
think of it as atransformational, educational
digital platform where peopleacross the world, in every
country, should have access tocontent that helps them uplift,
empower and become the personthey're always meant to be in an
exceedingly affordable
Tara Khandelwal (07:32):
way. Can you speak about some principles that
help you become the person youwant to be? Right? So I want to
speak more about sort of thosepractical exercises that you put
across in the book, because alot of it can sound very sort of
esoteric. So I want us to, sortof, you know, maybe in this
conversation, also just break itdown a little bit more. Yeah,
(07:53):
yeah. So Maybe one, maybe whatwe can do is like, maybe you can
speak about what your idea ofinfinite riches. What exactly
does that mean? We can startwith that. Yeah.
Pushkar Anand (08:04):
Let's, yeah.
Let's go back a step, actually,before we get to the name
infinite riches, let's, let's goback a step. And why don't I?
I'll ask you, Tara, you you tellme to you, as a evolved human
being, this conversation we'rehaving, what do you think for
the vast majority of humanityacross the world, you know, if
what clicked in their life,they'd be happiest and be their
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best versions.
Tara Khandelwal (08:30):
I think it has to do with Maslow's hierarchy of
needs. So once we sort of getthe basics, like food, shelter,
etc, and the basic comforts thatwe need to live, then they go on
to, you know, being selfactualization, sorry, then they
go on to self actualization,which means, you know, really
realizing their true potential.
I think everybody, I think allhuman beings are very creative,
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and we all want to expressourselves, and we all want to
express what is our truepotential as well. So I think
that's definitely something thateverybody has in common. Good.
Pushkar Anand (09:06):
Okay, great. I think that's a great answer, and
we'll, we'll delve into thatfurther. So let's say if all of
humanity leave out the fact ifthere's anyone suffering from a
terminal illness, but if weleave that out, what everyone
wants the most in this world isa certain amount of money
against the names that they'refinancially comfortable and do
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what you love to do. So if youcould do absolutely what you
love to do, which satisfies thecraving of your soul, and you
had the amount of money youwanted, there's nothing else we
want out of life, right? Becausethings like family, spending
time with them, cooking,something nice, a hobby, all
falls into place when you havetime. So it's time and money,
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freedom. The highest thing we'reafter is time and money,
freedom. And that comes whenwe're doing what we love to do,
and we have as much money as welike. Yeah, that's in a simple
way, the you know, whichdovetails into Maslow. Well. And
if I were to come up with aformula or a way to live life
where you're doing exactly whatyou want to do, and the amount
of money you want you have, andmoney keeps chasing you, why
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would anybody not want to dothat? Right? And that is what
we're talking about here. Andare we not saying do something
rash if you're doing a certainjob that gives you a stable
income, you know, and you haveexpenses, you give it all up,
and tomorrow you start this newjourney. We're not saying that.
We're talking about atransformational process and how
that happens. We can get to thenext question of the question
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after but the the fundamentalfoundation of what we're saying
here is that you create a lifewhere you spend most of your
time doing what you absolutelylove to do which dovetails into
your or is aligned with yourdharma or purpose. When you do
that and you get to a certainvibration, the money you want
comes after you and chases you.
And when these two thingshappen, you leading that fullest
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possible life that you can. Thatis the fundamental premise of
what we saying in your infiniteriches we touched upon earlier
is your living that life thatyou always wanted to live.
You're becoming the person youalways wanted to be. So you
start with making an image,description, picture of who it
is you want to be, but talkabout what you can do and give
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before you start talking abouthow much money I want make the
money the side effect of whatyou do. You focus on something
so much bigger. Now, Iabsolutely love what I do. I
love the conversation I'mhaving. You can possibly hear it
from my voice. I love the wordsI write. I love the things I do.
I absolutely love money too, butI don't spend my hours chasing
money, and that is what I'mtrying to say. There's a big,
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big difference between waking upin the morning and saying, I'm
doing this because I want themoney, versus I'm doing this
because this is me. This is myideal. I've become my ideal. And
now let's see how much money Iwant, which comes after me, and
Tara Khandelwal (11:51):
translating that into how I do the practice.
Like, how do you get there,right? And you give a lot of
these examples in the book, somaybe you can take me through
one of them, right? So there'sthis Primary Vision tool that
you posit, which is a three stepprocess to clarify your life's
mission. And you say that youknow the step one. Step one is
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list between one and three ofyour biggest stand and step two
is list between one and three ofyour core values. And step three
is, if you had all you wantedand there was no financial need
to do to work, what would youlike to do? So how does, how
does tools like this? And how dowe actually get to that place
where, okay, money is chasingus, where we are doing what we
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want to do, because most ofhumanity is not living like
that, and that's what we reallywant to do. How do we get from,
you know, thinking that, Oh,this sounds really good on
paper, but it's not. It's maybeapplicable for other people.
It's applicable for Steve Jobs,but it's not applicable for me,
because I still have to do allof these duties and things like
that. So how do we get get fromsort of wanting it in, like
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dreaming about it, actuallymaking that a reality.
Pushkar Anand (13:06):
And that's, that's, that's a great, great
point, Sarah, and let's, let'sspend a few minutes on this. So
anything Steve Jobs could do,you can do and I can do in our
own respective fields. The firststep we have to take is we have
to open up our minds and accept,to ourselves that I have the
ability, in the means to becomethe person I was always meant to
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be. Then starts thetransformational journey. Anyone
who says this happens in a fewweeks or days is talking
rubbish. It doesn't happen in afew weeks, right? It is a simple
concept to understand, but it'snot an easy one to execute. It's
simple because it's not complex.
It's not easy because it'sdifficult. It's difficult
because we've never done it. Wehave 30 years, 40 years, 50
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years, 20 years of conditioningbehind us right now. How do we
do it? There are quite a fewexercises, models well explained
in the book. We can't getthrough each one. But let's
start with this basic one. Thewhat you refer to is the three
step reconnection tool, right?
Where we say that be absolutelytrue to yourself and list a
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handful of your biggest talents,right? I'm saying talents are
not skills. Working with Excelor PowerPoint is a skill, right?
The ability to look at numbersas a talent. They're two very
different things. And take yourtime. You don't do it in a
minute, take an hour, take days,but list a handful of your key
talents. 123, is a good number,usually. Then jump on to values,
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right? What are the things thatreally matter to me? Forging
relationships, collaborating,honesty, loyalty, adjectives,
lots of different adjectivesthere. Then once these two are
done, you come on to thebiggest, biggest question that,
what is it that I'd love to doif money were no reason, or say
I were a child and I were giventhe freedom to do exactly what
I'd like to do? What is it thatI'd want to do when you bring
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these three together and you getthe. Those answers, you start
devising an initial view ofwhere your heart is, or what is
the craving of your soul. Andthe best example I can share
with you here is, you know, Ithink everyone knows Jayco is my
publisher in India, but we havea different publisher globally.
It's today, what I call one ofthe UK's leading hybrid
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publishers. At one point it wasa small, tiny publisher looking
at small projects for authorswho wanted to sell 100 200
books. Cat Charles is the nameof the promoter we got together.
She was my one of my dearest,dearest clients, customers,
associates. Call it what youlike. She is transform row and
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mail just through this holdingthis vision in your heart of
what I want Rowan Vale tobecome, and actually becoming
that. Right? They've beenthrough that journey in the last
two years, from a small, nichepublisher to one of the UK's
leading hybrid ones, doingexactly what we're talking about
here.
Tara Khandelwal (15:57):
So you spoke about you gave an example of
that in the book. So can youwalk, maybe our listeners,
through how she filled in thosethree steps and how that vision
that she held has led to thattransformation?
Pushkar Anand (16:09):
So this is what we'll do. I'll spend a minute
and just tell you what it isthat cat did, and then I'll open
the book and talk you throughher answers, because I don't
remember them through memory.
Cat was the big thing thatstruck me about her the first
time we chatted, was that desirewithin her to become a
significant publisher within theUK with a certain global
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presence, was very, very strong.
She She was not one of those whothought that, why? Why I cannot
do it. The mindset always was, Ireally want to do it. I know I
can do it, but I don't know howto do it. So what we started out
with, we made a vision of who itis that she wants to become, in
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her case, more than her, hercompany, row and mail books,
which is obviously an extensionof her. We wrote out. Put images
there. Put pictures there.
Wrote, which are the keycountries she wants to be in,
what are the kind of employeesshe wants, what is the scale she
wants for a business, what arethe best selling number of books
she wants, things like that. Sowe made that document, and that
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is something I say to everybodyyou know, as I said earlier,
make an image words, pictures ofwho it is you want to be. Look
at it every day. See it everyday. When you do that, you get
in the vibration of that alreadythere that gives you nudges and
hunches to take action. You takeaction, ongoing Guided Action. I
call it and I chatted. When Jackinterviewed me, the first
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interview ever, ever did. Heused the term inspired action.
I've used the term ongoingGuided Action. Napoleon Hill
talked about something else inhis book, Think and Grow Rich.
But everyone's saying takingaction issues very aggressive
with her action and one thingled to the other to the third,
and she's become who she istoday. So with that background
there, let me just quickly getto that page, Tara, and try
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reading out her answers for you.
Okay, so step one we talkedabout Yep. List between one and
three of your biggest talents socats. Answers are project
management and forgingpartnerships. List between one
and three of your core values,honesty, fairness and balance.
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What would you love to do ifthere was no financial need to
work, empower others, especiallythose who need it most. Out of
this, we drew what we call herprinciple, primary principle
mission, empower authors,employees and underprivileged
entrepreneurs. Then, because catis cat, we went into two primary
submissions. Ensure authors havea seamless hybrid publishing
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experience. Pledge that everyRowan Well, employee,
freelancer, has optimum worklife balance. Ah, well. Primary
submission, three, facilitateunderprivileged entrepreneurs to
develop their enterprise.
Primary principle mission, RowanVale books is recognized
globally as a a leading ethicalhybrid publisher with brick and
mortar distribution. She reallywanted that B, a premier
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employee for naming employees offreelancers to achieve optimum
work life balance. And C, anestablished mentor to aspiring,
underprivileged entrepreneurs.
My cat's 37th birthday, April11, 2027, then we go into the
visions as well and thefinancial side effect. So I'll
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leave out the visions andthings, but my net worth is
dollar x by my 30th birthday.
Now this is a pretty importantpoint, because that is what I
call the financial abundanceside effect. She knows how much
money she wants. She's writtenit down. She sees it every day.
She believes it's there, butshe's not chasing it. She's
chasing the mission the wider.
Tara Khandelwal (19:40):
Course, I like those examples, because I think
that definitely when you have alarger mission beyond just you
know, the financial incentive,then money does come your way
because you are able to becreative. You're able to really
solve problems, like I've seenthat also in my own journey as
an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur,where my mentors always told me
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that, you know the money willcome. Just keep doing what
you're doing, keep solving theproblems that you're solving,
and you will find thoseopportunities. And then there'll
come a time when you know themoney will come, and I've seen
that happen as well for myself.
So I do believe in definitely,you know, having that larger
mission, and not only just doingit for the money, because your
creativity gets impacted. Oneother point, yeah,
Pushkar Anand (20:27):
absolutely, yeah, sorry, I'll just chip on, and I
fully agree with what you said,but at the same time, as I said
earlier, you know, I'm notchasing money, but I absolutely
love money, and I want everyoneto decide how much you want,
right? But what you're takingback in terms of money, make it
minuscule compared to whatyou're giving. So if you're
touching 100 million people, andyou're giving everyone value
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worth, say, $10 that's abillion, take back $1 a person,
rather than as much as you'regiving. Significantly, give so
much more than what you take.
Decide how much money you wantwith the right, right logic as
this, and see that figure everyday for 234, minutes, believe
you already have it. That'scritical, but don't chase it.
Tara Khandelwal (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, and we all obviously are chasing
it as well as the mission andeverything that we're doing,
because we have to live with,live with but I like that
framework where it's it is aboutthe money, but it's also about
giving much more than the moneythat we're taking. And I think
that's a good framework for alsosort of going forward and trying
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to achieve your goals. Because Ithink, as I mentioned before, as
human beings, I think we're allextremely goal oriented, and
we're very desirous. As aspecies, we all want and want
and want and another. Anotherthing that I really liked about
the book is that you say thatyou know that pursuit should be
not competitive, but creativeand the best, and you give
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examples of the best businessesthat really haven't looked at
competition, but have looked atcreating value themselves,
right, without really looking atthe market. And one example you
gave was Sony and anothercompany. And I forgot the other
company's name, but this othercompany wanted to buy Sony's
radios, and yes, and then Sonysaid that, oh, I we didn't want
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to do that, because they wantedto distribute under their own
brand name, and this othercompany said that nobody knows
Sony. And cut to, you know thatcompany, it's still worth a
billion dollars, but Sony'sworth $88 billion and I don't
even remember this company'sname when I've read the book,
but everyone knows Sony. And Ithought that was a great example
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of that concept.
Pushkar Anand (22:40):
No, absolutely.
Tara. And this is it itself. Isso blessed the way this example
popped up, you know? I mean, Iread this book Made in Japan,
our kumarita, when I was 18years old. That's when I read
it. And this example stayed inmy mind, you know. And 2527
years later, suddenly came backto me that, look at our
kumarita. This is post World WarTwo. Japan is nothing. America
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is the big production house, andhe goes there to as an upcoming
company. So need to tie up withBulova to sell their product.
Bulova says, great product, youknow, but we'll rebrand it under
ours, because who knows you? Youknow everyone knows us. And this
guy says, no, no, no, no, no,nobody knows us today, but in 20
years, more people will know usthan they know you and everyone
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the part of the leadership team,the executive board at Sony
said, Aki Morita, you're nuts.
You're crazy to give up thisopportunity. Let's go and do it.
He said, No, this is my vision.
This is the feeling in my heart,and this is what I'm going to
do. But that was his dharma.
Tara, his Dharma was creating anorganizer. He's not talking
competition at all, right, aJapanese powerhouse which goes
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across the world, you know,mission statements, something
that was the feeling in hisheart, and that is what he went
with. It had nothing to do withthe money. It had nothing to do
with competition. All it had todo was getting out there and
living his purpose of dharma.
And you see what Sony has becometoday. Sony is an example I gave
Ford when Henry Ford set it upas another example, there's SC
Johnson and Sons Tata, you know,all of these. The whole concept
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was, we're out there to createsomething magnificent. We're not
talking about stealing from theother guy. You know. I mean,
what is competition, as far as Isee? I mean, it's sometimes in
interviews, I get asked, right?
So which authors are biggestcompetitors? And I laugh it off
and say, there are nocompetitors. There is no
competition. You're out there toput your wares in front of
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people in a certain way, right?
And whoever sees value in whatyou're doing from your creation
will work with you or buy yourwares because you give them so
much more value. What iscompetition? If you put yourself
in that vibration, there is nocompetition.
Tara Khandelwal (24:48):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that. You know, havingthose blinders on is very, very
useful, because oftentimes whathappens is that you get so
obsessed with the competition,then you're constantly looking
left and right and you.
Constantly looking what they aredoing, and then you may not
innovate yourself, because youmay not come up with the next
big thing. Or, you know, youmight not identify the gap in
the market because you arecompeting on those small
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increments with people aroundyou. But at the same time, of
course, we are all in a market,and we have to be aware of what
works and what doesn't. Whichbrings me to my next point. You
know, because you talk about thedifference between having these
goals that are having thesegoals that help you become the
version of yourself that youreally want to be. But also,
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what is that balance between,you know, being reasonable and
realistic, like, I can have agoal that I want to fly, but
that's never going to happen,right? What is the difference
between, you know, having thesedreams. And also, you know,
situating on having big dreams,large dreams, thinking things
are possible, and expanding thatrealm of what's what you think
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is possible for yourself. Visa Vbeing, you know, realistic about
things as well.
Pushkar Anand (25:58):
Okay, so this is a very, very interesting
question. Tara, let's, let's,let's talk about it. I'm sure
you're familiar with GeorgeBernard Shaw and with the with
the Wright brothers. So beforethey made the first airplane, I
think it was Oliver saying toWilbur, one was a bit
disillusioned, and he said,Look, I can see, I can see a
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plane there. He was alreadyseeing it as having happened. He
had no idea how it will happen.
Yeah, one of George my favoritequotation, George Bernard Shaw,
he said the reasonable man. Heused the term man versus human
100 years ago. He said it. Thereasonable man looks at what is
something along these lines andsays, This is great. You know
something similar about whatthings are. The unreasonable man
looks and says, Well, why is itnot this way? Why not? Therefore
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progress depends on theUnreasonable Man right now. One
of my own favorite words is thatif you keep doing what you've
been doing, you'll keep gettingthe results you've been getting.
If you keep doing reasonable andrealistic things, you'll keep
seeing reasonable and realisticresults. It's when you look at
unreasonable and unrealisticthings, and you do unreasonable
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unrealistic things, you'll getunreasonable and unrealistic
results. Now that's the concept.
How does it translate into inpractice, if the feeling in your
heart you made that commentlightly, and I want to fly. I'm
not going to be able to fly. Andif that is the calling of yours
or somebody's soul, how canhuman beings start to fly? And
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you put in your life into doingthat, I can assure you, you'll
find a way that human beings canfly. We already paraglide. The
Flying does not mean we growwings. Then we going against
nature, but there would be waysto make us do that
recreationally, the way Amazongets, you know, goods to our
houses every other day. Now takethat vision and think you put
yourself in that vibration.
Human beings are flying to workwith wings. It's a very
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different world. But if you makethat your vision, devote your
life to it, the ways will startto come. The issue is all of us
get stuck with, how will ithappen? And anyone who's done
anything of significance ormagnificence in their lives
never worries about the how. Theway to do it is, write down what
the goal is, what the missionis, what the purpose is. You Gen
start generating the feelingwithin you that it's already
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happened. You already are thatperson. So if you're doing a
nine to five job, but yourvision is to change the world
through your words, for example,then you create a one pager of
that ideal world and vision. Andevery day you look at it, five
minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes,you generate within you the
feeling of it already there.
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Steve Jobs is the grand masterof this concept called reality
distortion field, he'd assumewhat he wants is there, and the
real reality distorted aroundhim, manifested into a new
world. Because all we're talkingabout is energy here. Now, when
you're on that vibration everyday, as I alluded to earlier,
you'll get feelings or hunchesto take action. So let the day
(29:00):
job continue. Nobody's saying gointo financial ruin, but those
feelings and hunches you get totake the next step, get out and
take it. It might be a smallinvestment. It might be reaching
out to somebody. I talk in oneof the chapters about how Jack
can feel, popped into my lifeand the other way around. And
this is a real example, Tara. Ididn't know Jack from Adams,
(29:20):
which I had such a strongfeeling within me that he plays
significant part helping mymessage across the world. And I
went with that feeling. One stepwent to the right. I know Jack
well, and he's helping me. Whatdo I do? One thing to the other,
to the third to the fourth, andboom, we ended up getting
interviewed, gettingendorsements, and God knows how
many people he shared mymessage. Tell me a little bit
(29:41):
more
Tara Khandelwal (29:41):
about that, but that story, there we go.
Pushkar Anand (29:45):
So I was, there's, there's a certain book
from a certain author used toread, and this is all, it's all
in my book. And that particularday, I had such a strong calling
not to pick up that book, but topick up the book right next to
it, the book. Lie. Next to it,the book called Chicken Soup for
the Soul, some old edition goingby, God knows, 20 years. So I
(30:06):
just opened it, and I got to apage where there's a story Jack
talks about a guy called MontyRoberts, I think he's now the
horse whisper or something,where Monty is a kid from a very
average background a certainschool years ago in America, and
the teacher says, Write out yourdream essay. All children write
an essay, and Monty comes back,talks about this, owning a horse
ranch with hundreds of acres andsomething huge, and the teacher
(30:28):
tells him that this is a veryunrealistic dream for a child
with a family background likeyours. So think about it's a
well written essay. If you cleanit up, I'll give you a pass,
otherwise you're a fail. So hegoes back home, asks his father,
father doesn't know, comes backthe next day and tells the
teacher, I've thought about it.
You give me the failed grade, soyou keep your grade, but I'll
keep my dream. And 3040, yearslater, he had exactly that ranch
(30:49):
where the teacher bought a bunchof kids to look at big ranches.
The teacher apologized and said,I'm really sorry for being a
dream killer. And when I readthat, I don't know from where it
happened. I had this flash in mymind, and I had a lump in my
throat. I just saw Jack sittingthere and endorsing and helping
me spread my message across theworld. I was born on that
(31:11):
vibration, and I never movedaway from there. How do I get to
Jack? How do I get to Jack?
Right? And the answers came. Theanswers came. There was an
option to get interviewed byhim. I went through the process,
got chosen to do that. BlaineBartlett, Grandmaster, my dear
teacher. He'd known Jack a longtime. He put in a word as well.
(31:31):
Jack said, All right, let meread the book. I like the first
2000 words. I'll do all I can tohelp. He said, I absolutely love
the book. This is the book we'veall been waiting for. That's how
it happened.
Tara Khandelwal (31:41):
I think when we speak about manifesting, we
always think it's something sortof not devoid from action. But
what I like about this book isyou put in a framework for how
manifesting is has to be atandem with your actions and
actually your brain is. Thebrain is very interesting
creature, because if, as yousaid, we are already attuned to
(32:04):
a certain thing, then all aroundus, we'll start seeing that
thing, kind of we'll see we'llstart seeing parts to that
thing. We'll say, Oh, if you Ionly want to make a movie one
day, I want to really produce amovie, maybe I'll pay more
attention when somebody talksabout a script writer friend
they know, whereas earlier, Iwouldn't have at all. So your
brain picks up on these small,small things, and then you can
(32:27):
take those actions. Because, asyou mentioned before, it's
already so ingrained into yoursystem, and it's so ingrained
and it's so top of mind, thatany little clue that happens
that that you see that will leadyou to the thing that's top of
mind is easier for you toidentify. And I think that's the
power of manifesting. And it'sfirst to really understand,
(32:51):
okay, what is it I really wantto be and what, what is it I
really want to do? And I think alot of us get stuck at that,
actually, we are not able tocreate that one page of you
know, here's what I want to do,here's what I want to be, and
have that vision for ourselves,because that itself requires a
suspension of reality. And a lotof us are very it's very hard to
(33:15):
get out of that
Pushkar Anand (33:16):
absolutely that, I think very, very well said, it
is a suspension of realityneeded. And as I alluded to
earlier, you keep doing the samestuff, the same life carries on.
Suspend reality. Get intoreality. Distortion field.
Create a very clear image,description, words, pictures of
who you want to be. Keep thevalues intact. What you're
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giving is so much more than whatyou're taking right? Focus on
the Dharma. Put yourself on thatvibration. You will, on a
regular daily basis, havehunches and feelings about what
to do. You're on that vibration.
People turn up into your life,right? It just, I mean, I never
knew, for example, that yourpodcast existed what point in
time. But somehow, through chainof events, which both of us know
(34:01):
here we're having aconversation, how did that
happen? It's a vibrationalmatch. That's exactly how it
happens. But take action. Takeaction every day, show up, do
what you have to do, and yourvibration will start to change.
And eventually you'll get there.
And sometimes, quite often, theaction you asked to take, the
hunches you get is not entirelylogical, because if it's logic,
(34:24):
it's coming from the intellectof the brain. If it's beyond
logic, it's feeling, it's comingfrom a source much higher. You
see, the mind is not the brain.
The mind is absolutely not thebrain. The mind is the conscious
and subconscious. Conscious isso much closer to the brain. The
subconscious goes beyond that'swhat's connected to your soul,
and it's the patterns in thesubconscious that determines
what comes out in your life as amanifesting experience.
Tara Khandelwal (34:48):
And we spoke a lot about Steve Jobs, and I
really love this quote of SteveJobs, where he said that, you
know, all the dots connect lateron, he's like, I don't know, I
did a calligraphy. Course, Ididn't know why I did this or
that. And then later. Data, allof those dots, all of the
seemingly random things he didin his youth, in his life, when
he was creating the iPhone orthe Apple products, all of those
(35:09):
things magically just cametogether, you know. So I think
also it makes me think a lotabout having faith in yourself
and faith in the process,because I think it's very easy
to also lose that faith on a dayto day basis, right? Like I'm
taking the action I want to bethis person, I just don't see a
way out. I don't see how it'sgoing to happen. But a lot of it
(35:31):
has to do with also maintainingthat conviction. What advice do
you have for people to maintainthem that conviction and
maintain themselves in thatvibrational frequency that you
said,
Pushkar Anand (35:41):
absolutely, absolutely Tara. And look, this
is, it's a reality. It's, it'sthe process we go through. We've
got to be for some point intime, we'll be schizophrenic.
We're living in two differentworlds, right? We are awake
1617, hours in a day as youstart this exercise or this
journey at the absolutebeginning, Tara, 15 and a half
(36:06):
to 16 hours of those 1616. And ahalf will be your whole life,
absolutely but when you come upwith this new image description
what you want to be, it startsto change slowly, so slowly, so
small. Initially, you can't eventell when you go into your
sacred space once, twice, threetimes a day, and you feel you've
already become who you have tobe. That is 2030 minutes in the
(36:30):
day, when you're in the newreality. As you start taking
action and more action andthings start to change. The 2030
minutes goes up. 45 minutes,hour. 90 minutes, two hours, and
gradually the whole thing startsto come almost equally, and then
you start becoming who youalways meant to be. Now, do not
(36:51):
lose conviction. Easier saidthan done. How do we make sure
we don't lose it? You make sureby developing the skill and the
habit to have faith, and thathappens when you do more of the
same every day. These 10minutes, once, twice, three
times a day, these are themagical moments where there's
nobody in your life. There's noconditioning, there's no one out
(37:12):
there. Get on that vibration.
Write it out. Say it toyourself. Write an eye to me.
Letter you know of what yourperfect life is. Affirm. Make a
mind movie. I talk about mindmovies. Natalie led well better
anything which puts you on thatfeeling that I never got a great
neville goddard used to say,assume the feeling of the wish
fulfilled. Assume you alreadyare who you want to be. Do it
(37:33):
only for those 10 minutes, threetimes a day. That's fine. It's
okay, but that will start to putyou in the journey of the right
direction. Ignore what isphysically happening around you.
Learn to feel from the sensesinside, not the physical senses
of hear, see, taste, smell,touch. We're accustomed
education across the world is goby the physical senses. What
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we're saying is fine. Putting itloosely, be like a Jedi. Feel
your way from inside, not whatyou see outside, and that takes
time study, unlearning whatwe've learned, and starting to
live life in a new way.
Tara Khandelwal (38:10):
Yeah, I think the other thing is that you know
when you go into that space andwhen you have that conviction,
and you, as you said, faith is askill. And I really do think
that faith is a skill, becauseit's not a very easy thing to
have conviction in yourself andto be on that vibrational
frequency, you know, like as anentrepreneur, also myself.
There's so many times that Ilose that conviction, and then I
(38:30):
have to, I have to really sortof work at it. And luckily, I
have people in my life who helpme with that conviction. But
then there's a lot of otherpeople, not just, it's not just
for me, but in everybody's lifewhere, you know, people say, Oh,
this can't be done. No, this isnot possible, or this is not
going to happen for you, youknow. So I think to also shut
(38:52):
off those voices is veryimportant, because you need to
have that conviction and faithand belief that, okay, you know,
I'm working on my goals, and atthe end of the day, if it
happens, it happens. If itdoesn't, I think that's also
okay. It's just about also thejourney, and that process of
getting there something or theother will work out.
Pushkar Anand (39:09):
Absolutely that's that's a big, big point you
make, and I want our listenersto take that away as well. Is
that when you're out on yourjourney, make sure you got a
handful of mentors. I did avideo on mentors as well, always
234, who've walked the path thatyou want to walk, who've become
(39:30):
similar to the person you wantto become. Find them. Go to
them. Mark Twain has said, greatpeople only lift you up. It's
the small people who push youdown. True mentors will always
help you. So when you want toachieve something or become
someone, don't speak to family,friends, uncles, aunts. We all
do that across the world.
Neighbors. What does theneighbor know? What does Auntie
(39:51):
X or uncle J or parent know? Butthey haven't done this? Go to
those who've done it right. Andwhen I made my way, whether it
was Jack Blaine. Or the other Isaid, Look, this is what you've
done in your life. I'm out to dothe same thing. Help me. The
other person picks up the heartvibe, connection, and they will
always help you. Because anyonewho's done anything of value in
(40:11):
life wants to make sure the workthey did once they've moved on
or stopped doing it continues.
They look for people who cangive physical forms the same
kind of work they'd love to dothis. And when you feel down and
out, it's not working out. Goback and think what your mentors
told you in the down days. Well,you will do this. I know you
have the potential. I know yourheart is there or whatever, or
(40:33):
pick up the phone and call them,but this is a hugely important
support structure to have,because they are the ones who
are ahead of you in your lifejourney, they can tell you where
you're going to fall, how youget up, and what you have to do.
So don't underestimate the powerof that. And I think you alluded
to it also, and it's reallyessential. We all you want to be
a sandwich maker. Find the bestsandwich maker there is go and
(40:55):
ask for guidance. Absolutely, I
Tara Khandelwal (40:57):
think couldn't agree more with the power of
learning from other people andmentorship. So let's pass some
myths around manifesting in yourexperience. What are the most
harmful or misleading ideaspeople have about this practice?
Pushkar Anand (41:11):
Absolutely, I'll clap my hand and I'll have the
boyfriend, the girlfriend of mylife. I'll clap my hand and I'll
say something to the universe,and I'll have a million dollars
tomorrow. It's not some airyfairy hocus pocus wiffle waffle
exercise as it's been made tobecome in some ways. You know,
over the years, no, everyone'sbeen manifesting all their
lives. We all do. You know, whatis manifestation? It's giving
(41:34):
physical form to feeling insideof you or desire inside of you.
That's all. There's nothing elseto it. Now, a manifestation
experience is a directreflection of the pattern in
your subconscious mind. That isit there is nothing else that's
there. We all fed patterns intoourselves subconscious the first
710, years of our lives. Thatbecomes our conditioning. Then
(41:57):
we have to uncondition and put anew pattern. So if, for example,
somebody's net worth is $100,000it's because the pattern in the
subconscious, for the financialsis $100,000 it's not a million,
because if it were be, you'dhave a million in front of you,
right? So what we have tounderstand is, we all always
manifest, whether we accept itor not. It's a direct reflection
(42:19):
of the pattern the subconsciousmind, the pattern is nothing but
the rate of vibrationalfrequency. That is what's been
fed into us over many years.
That's why it's calledconditioning. That's why it
takes time and repetition tochange it. Because you take out
the old pattern, replace withthe new one, therefore
repetition and time are needed,and therefore the whole process
of manifesting somethingworthwhile does not happen
overnight. I think
Tara Khandelwal (42:41):
definitely patience is the name of the game
here. And with anything in life,if you want to be really fit,
and you're starting from a placewhere you're not fit, you don't
gonna get fit in one one day.
You're gonna have to worktowards it, and it'll happen
with time and patience andsticking to it. I think people
have the hardest time stickingto it,
Pushkar Anand (42:59):
yeah, oh, absolutely. There's that phrase.
I don't recall who said it,Tara, but I absolutely love it,
that infinite patience givesimmediate results. Now this is
why it's so powerful. We talkedabout the vibration earlier. If
you in the vibration of alreadyhaving become the person you
always meant to be, then whatare you chasing? There is no
(43:20):
patience needed if, in yourmind, you already are the world
outside of you changes, and thatis what we have to work towards.
You know, we have to feel thejoy and give thanks for who we
are. So life carries on, andthen the whole concept of
patience evaporates becauseyou're seeing life from the view
of the person you're trying tobecome. That's when the shift
(43:41):
happens and the vibrationchanges.
Tara Khandelwal (43:44):
That makes sense. Then you don't need
patience. Yeah, that's a goodway to look at it as well.
You're already there. So onething is interesting, you
created something called the JJmethod, which is based on an
impromptu audio message yourecorded for a student during
your visit to Jack Canfield, theauthor of chicken soup program
in California. And this, this isabout shifting your vibrational
(44:06):
energy. So we spoke a lot aboutgetting to that vibrational
energy. How do you get then? Canyou tell us about the moment
that inspired this creation ofyour JJ method? And what? What
is this?
Pushkar Anand (44:17):
Oh, goodness me, JJ is a great guy. So he's not a
student. Actually, he's a dearfriend associate. I'll call him.
He's a musician who lives inSanta Barbara, not far from
Jack's. And Jack's firm used himas an Uber cabbie quite a few
times. So I said I needed a carwhen I was there. So JJ, was
there for me, and we, you know,he spent a couple of days
(44:38):
traveling around, wonderful man,hugely service oriented, but
wanting to make a shift in lifewith his dream and the finances
that go with it and all of thatgood stuff. So we had lots of
meaningful conversations. Tara,but the JJ method is around when
we were driving after I was doneat Santa Barbara, He's driving
me to San Francisco, and on theway, I suddenly had. A huge
(45:01):
heartfelt connection with hismusic and with his dreams and
aspirations. So the music thatcomes up in our videos in the
first 20 seconds is histrademark, proprietary music
that he's allowed me to usethere. So there was this huge
moment I had thinking about themusic and JJ, and when I looked
(45:21):
at the clock, it was 111 in thecar. We talked about with JJ how
he could do what he loves to do,and have that certain amount of
finances against his name. And Imade an absolutely impromptu
affirmation self talk recording,which is actually there in the
JJ Method program on thewebsite, lasted about two
minutes or something. It wasmade absolutely impromptu,
(45:43):
recorded on my good old, old,miserable, broken iPhone, which
is then put on the program onthe website. And it came
straight from the heart. It wasa recording of JJs, ideal life,
what he's doing with his music,the impact he's making in the
world, and how much money he hasagainst his name. It was about
one of the things included therewas taking his bank statement
(46:06):
and cutting out what it is andputting there exactly what he
wanted, and listening to therecording in my voice twice,
three, four times a day, and asit elevated his vibration, going
out and taking action and doingwhat has to be done. Now we
haven't spoken in a while. Idon't know how disciplined he's
been with the recording, but thewhole JJ method is a 20 minute
program. Was all around exactlythis that you can instantly
(46:28):
change that vibration if you dothe work needed be disciplined
around it, and there's nothingthat's getting in your way.
Wonderful.
Tara Khandelwal (46:36):
And can you tell me a little bit more about
the writing and publishingjourney and the publishing
journey with Jaco.
Pushkar Anand (46:43):
Ah, the publishing journey with Jaco,
well, that is, that is somethingvery dear to my heart, as I had
my book complete in terms of thefinal manuscript, and I asked
myself, you know, India,obviously my own connection,
lots of people there who couldbenefit. Who do I want to
publish with? And the only namein my heart, in my mind, was
(47:05):
Jacob. There's nobody else Iwanted to work with that was
absolutely clear where thefeeling came from, where the
sentiment came from. I thinkgoes back a very, very long time
when I might have read Jacobbooks when I was a kid. So I
went, went to my agent and said,I want to publish with Jaco, and
nobody but Jayco. So themanuscript was sent. It was well
(47:28):
received. Then there areconversations around, you know,
certain tweaks and what themission is and what we want to
do, which I think we did ratherpeacefully and before we knew
what the whole thing manifested.
And putting it simply, yes, thedream in my heart was to be a J
co author. And I think thatpretty seamlessly, just happened
as though it was effortless, ina way, effortless in a way,
(47:50):
actually, yes, hugelyactionable, lots of things
within the journey, but justseemed absolutely natural and
effortless. And that's anothervery interesting beta around
what we out do. Does it feelnatural, and if we're talking
about your example of putting onwings and flying, does it feel
natural to you? Did it feelnatural to wright brothers that
(48:12):
we're going to put an airplaneup there? Did it feel natural to
Henry Ford that people are notgoing to use horses and
carriages with a mechanicalthing, which we call an
automobile, that feeling naturalis what comes down to that
feeling in the soul that comesto the heart and expresses
itself out there.
Tara Khandelwal (48:32):
What about is there a manifestation that
didn't work? And what did itteach you?
Pushkar Anand (48:38):
I think enough times it hasn't worked, but when
it doesn't work, Tara, it's notthat the laws of nature have
changed or the process haschanged. It's because we make
mistakes, including me. All See,we all human beings at the end
of the day. We not, we notnature in an absolute sense. We
embodiments of nature. Wenature's grandest embodiment as
human being, but we not thewhole concept of nature
(49:01):
ourselves. So we make mistakes.
In my early days, I said, I wantthis much money. I want this
much money. And then I today, ifI look back and see it's exactly
what I was. It's not aboutwanting a certain amount of
money. It's about whole changingour equation, right? So I failed
enough times, but I know why Ifailed and how I can correct it,
and the same goes for all of us.
(49:22):
The rules of nature, the lawsare the same for all of us. When
it doesn't happen, it meanswe're not doing it in the way we
should. That is the lesson totake from it and do it the right
way.
Tara Khandelwal (49:33):
Thank you so much. This has been a very rich
conversation, and I think whatstood out to me was that
manifesting is in magic. It'smindset and action. Thank you so
much. I think
Pushkar Anand (49:45):
it's been a great conversation. I've thoroughly
enjoyed it, but I wish you'dsaid it's not been a rich
conversation. It's been aninfinitely rich conversation.
Tara Khandelwal (49:54):
Yes, infinitely rich conversation. And to our
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