The Most Dysfunctional Family in America: Part 3

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I'm Sarah.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Cole.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
And you're listening to Borrowed Bones, a podcast
about fucked up, interesting andtoxic families.
Today we are finishing up ourthree-part series on the Sexton
family.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Closing chapter of the trilogy.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yes, yes, again, not my family, another Sexton family
, no relation.
Yes, I am very ready for thisto be over.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, it's a saga.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yes, the Sexton saga.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
All right, so I'm just going to jump right into it
.
I want this to be done and outof my life, and then regain my
own sexton name and my ownsexton identity.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Tell me, recap me where we left off last week or
last episode.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I should say so part two we left off with a large
portion of the family now on therun in Indiana.
They ran out in like an RVcamper.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, okay they're right now preparing an RV
camper.
Oh yeah, Mm-hmm Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
They're right now preparing for the government to
get them.
They're going to the armysurplus store working out like
prepping.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And the government is after them now.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Right, okay, they're not just fleeing because they're
paranoid, like it finally is,the authorities are coming for
them.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Mm-hmm.
Okay is the authorities arecoming for them okay cool
detectives reedy and go are theones that are on the case gotcha
, and reedy is currently tryingto track down the sextons cool
also at the end of part two,lana was starting to open up a
bit more.
Lana is about I think she's 12or 13.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
At this time, she's the second youngest yeah, she.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I don't know where she falls in line, but I think
she's the second youngestdaughter.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And she's 12 or 13 and she's still with her foster
parents.
Okay, she's starting to open upmore.
Remember, she opened thefloodgates a little bit when her
older brother, charles the onethat was in- Indiana he went
back to the Sexton family andthen Lana said hey, I don't want
my little sister, Kim beingwith him because Charles raped

(02:11):
me.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And Kim is the youngest.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
The youngest, the baby of the family Okay.
And for anyone who is checkingout part three and hasn't
checked out part one or part twotrigger warning yeah, A lot of
bad things here and it only gets.
It only keeps going.
So, all the triggers and that'syes.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I don't know why you would listen to part
three of anything without partsone and two, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
There's someone for everything.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Lana was opening up more talking about Charles.
Lana was opening up moretalking about Charles and she
also, if you remember, was theone that Eddie Lee claimed has
the same line on the palm of herhand the lifeline, or whatever.
Yes, and she's a future Tron.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Eddie Lee is also a future Tron religious cultish
behaviors with like a weirdtheology.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
yes, belief system and super specific supernatural
things that he invents.
Yeah, more for paranoia stance.
There's no real story as towhat a future tron is yeah it's
more just.
They're out to get us, we'repowerful.
And the satanic panic of it all.
Like what does he think?
I don't know.
The Satanists are after him andLana.
It's just paranoia that he'sstriking into his family.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
And the question is obviously how much does he
really believe it, or is he justtelling them lies?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right For part three.
We are going to follow a littlebit of Lana's thread this time,
because now she is opening upmore.
She's worried about hersiblings and all of this is
taking a physical toll on her.
She, she's having a hard time.
I mean, she's in puberty, herhormones are already going wild

(03:56):
and she's dealing with thisthings that most people never
have to deal with yeah,thankfully A lot more than you'd
think.
Yeah, lana started telling herfoster parents more stories.
One of them was that Eddie Leecut Lana's twin away from her at
birth and then killed the twin.

(04:17):
Lana only knows this because anolder sister told her.
I don't know if it's true ornot, but when telling this story
, lana says to her fosterparents that could have been me
so whether or not the story isreal, they're using it yeah to
let her know she could die.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I came this close to killing you I just by flip of a
coin, I killed your sisterinstead of you.
Yes, probably never was a twinor I don't know, I think she did
have a scar on her back oh,like a conjoined twin.
Okay, like, cut it off.
Okay, yeah, all right,interesting again, not sure.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, she also said whenever her mom would get
pregnant, eddie lee would beatmay's stomach and she would
bleed, and then she would betold to drink the blood.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
By July of 1993, lana has been interviewed multiple
times and each one taking alarger and larger toll on her.
Multiple times, and each onetaking a larger and larger toll
on her, she became bulimic, andshe started to talk about
suicide.
She became more paranoid andwithdrawn.
Eventually, showing signs ofbeing demonically possessed, she

(05:39):
would speak in low, growlyvoice, saying he wants me.
You're not getting her, she'smine.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And she was saying that that was eddie lee okay, so
clearly she's snapping yes Imean, obviously she's not really
possessed by a demon, um, butshe was claiming to hear her
dad's voice.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Lana also believed her dad was satan and that she
would have to kill her fosterparents because they knew too
much.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I wonder where she got those ideas from.
Yeah, it's almost like she'sbeen indoctrinated.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, lana's foster parents put her in therapy.
They also consulted with theirpastor, but they went the
medical route.
They didn't believe she waspossessed by anything.
They are people of God andpeople do seek religion for
comfort other than you knowdemonic reasons.
They believe that she wasdealing with PTSD or borderline

(06:35):
personality disorder.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't know what she's been diagnosed with.
That's not for sure, but thatwas what they were thinking they
were dealing with.
Like you said, she's snappingHer brain is breaking.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, she's snapping.
Her brain is breaking.
Yeah, she's having a breakdownof some kind.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Which, of course, god .
Now we are going to see whatthe rest of the Sextons are
doing, the ones that are on therun.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
On their road trip from hell.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Just to recap, it is Eddie Lee.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's the dad.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
May.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Wife.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Charles, that's the dad.
May wife charles, son pixie,daughter joel is pixie's husband
, okay, and then their threekids don shasta and skipper
skipper, then brother willie,brother chris and sister Kim and
brother Matt.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
So total that is 12.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
12 people in one Winnebago right, there's not
like a fleet of them, it's justthe one vehicle.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's not a Winnebago brand but RV camper.
Yeah, I think it's like Dodgeor whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I don't really know the brand.
It's like a name brand, yes,kleenex, kind of thing but I
just mean generic RV.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yes, so the 12 of them were actually staying in a
trailer park in Indiana, butthey still were staying in one
trailer.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
They were paying rent for a little bit.
They stayed in Indiana foraround five months.
Okay, they started to feel thesqueeze, with more people being
added.
Like I said in the second part,they started collecting their
kids.
So slowly they're getting moreand more of them over the course
of these five months.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and other people renting lots next to them
are starting to notice.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean, the owner of the trailer park was noticing
more and more people showing up,and he did tell them you can't
do that, you have to move.
Yeah, now this is June of 93.
Okay, we're going to hop alittle, just because that's the
nature of this tale.
Eddie Lee told his family thatthey're going to move to Florida

(08:30):
.
In Florida is Eddie's brotherDave, dave's wife Jean and their
family.
They have three trailers thatthey own in Florida.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Okay.
Are they on the level or arethey weird?
They're weird, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, they don't really do too much, but they're
not great.
They're not good, there's awhole side story with Dave and
Gene and I don't really want toget into it but they're not good
.
Okay, dave and his wife Jeanlive in one trailer.
Dave's son and his family livein another trailer.
And then Sherry Sexton and herson Chris family live in another

(09:08):
trailer.
And then Sherry Sexton and herson Chris live in the third,
because remember when they wereall separated in the very
beginning, pixie and Sherry weretold by social worker Wayne
Welsh they should leave becausethey have small children.
That's right, and Eddie Lee sentSherry to Florida to live with
Dave.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
That's right Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
So they're meeting up with Shererry and more family
down in florida.
They're on their way picking upchildren in their caravan I
want to talk about sherry realquick with what happened with
her while she was in florida.
When she went to florida,sherry does say that she was
raped by her Uncle Dave.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, there it is.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And this isn't even like the side story.
He has his own family issuesthat we're not going to get into
.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Sherry also said that one week later her cousin raped
her Dave's son.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
After this, sherry took her son and moved into a
battered women's shelter.
She then moved out of there,lived with a couple and then she
moved out of there and moved inwith an interracial couple Once
this happened.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You say that and I feel like there's a reason you
noted that this was the trigger.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Because they're all racist.
Yeah, I don't know if the kidsare, but the adults in this are
power wielders are dave sextonknew that his brother, eddie lee
, would not like that she wasliving with an interracial
couple.
The shelter and the othercouple were fine but this was
the last straw.
So dave calls eddie, lee tellson sherry.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah if his brother won't like it, how about you?
Just don't tell him?
How about that sh?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Sherry's out, you can let her be out.
She escaped, let her be.
But nope, eddie Lee callsSherry.
I mean, she's brainwashed.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So convinces her to move back in with Dave, and
that's her story throughoutthese past few months.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Alright.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Before Eddie Lee and that crew of Sextons moved from
Indiana to Florida, Eddie Leemade a family video.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And he sent the video to President Clinton and
Attorney General Janet.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Reno Yep Janet.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Reno, aren't you feeling very 90s right now?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
The video was three hours and nine minutes long.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's not a snuff film , is it?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
No, no, no, no, it's like informative.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Him sitting in front demands and talking and speaking
his truth.
Like a video manifesto, yes,kind of.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Eddie Lee was clean cut and sitting at a table with
wood paneling in the back, alongwith a family portrait.
He opens the video withCitizens of the United States.
I am coming to you in hopesthat in some way, some official
of the United States governmentcan step in and find out why a
family such as mine has beentreated in such a manner.

(12:04):
I feel that our constitutionalrights have been violated.
That's his opener.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
He feels his rights are violated.
Well, you can't just feel yourrights are violated.
You've got to say what rightsare violated and give examples.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
But whatever, His feelings are hurt.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
For 15 minutes he blamed his daughter, michelle.
Then he moves on to otis andthen the stark county dhs, all
of them well, right aboutblaming them.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I guess maybe he blames them all for all of his
problems.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
The video then cuts to may, sitting at the table
next to Eddie Lee, and shetalked about a fair number of
topics, but while she wasspeaking she would periodically
look up and to the side, as ifshe was trying to remember
something.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh, ok, mm.
Hmm, coached rehearsed.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's clearly.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, under coercion regardless.
Yeah regardless.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, then, one by one, each child took a seat next
to eddie lee and they wouldrespond to what he said with
only a yes or a nod okay then heinterviewed all of the children
one at a time, and we don'thave to get into what they said,
but it was clearly rehearsed Ifeel like he's making his case

(13:22):
yes for the prosecution.
They're not good actors.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm totally normal.
Consult my three-hour manifestovideo with my 20 fucking kids.
This is normal, we're totallyfine, it's normal to send this
to the president of the goddamncountry.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
He ended the video with a plea stating that they
were an all-American family andhe was a good American.
All he wanted was to return tohis normal life with his wife
and children.
You don't have a normal life,man.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Return to you.
Never had it.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
We're saying what you're doing is wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
You can't return to that.
No, no, refuse, no.
There were three videos sentout in august of 1993.
Now it is september of 93 anddhs is finally awarded full
custody of the remaining sextonkids good luck finding them

(14:19):
right.
So, if you remember, in parttwo they were fighting for
custody of the kids that werestill minors and on the run with
the family.
This way they could take legalaction and say, hey, we have a
missing child.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, kidnapping charges.
They're pulled over anywhere inthe country.
Boom, they can be arrested.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yes, yeah, and they immediately file missing persons
reports for Kimberly, matt andChris Cool.
Those are the three left thatthey can save yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right by now it's been 18months since Michelle's initial
report.
It seems like a long time, butalso a lot has happened.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Mm-hmm, the wheels of justice.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Detective Reedy spoke with Uncle Otis and Otis told
him that Eddie Lee receivedsocial security checks still and
they're being sent to theirbrother Orville.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Orville, you're fucking with me.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
No, I'm not.
I knew it.
I kept that name from you forso long.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Otis and Orville.
Yes, how do you expect familyto grow up with Otis and Orville
?
Ugh, those names Sorry, I justthose are the two ugliest male
names in my.
I've always said this, and thenbam.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Orville was on your list.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Orville and Otis yeah .

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Orville, I don't even think of that as a name.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Most male names that start with an O.
I can't stand I'm going to getso much shit for saying this.
I don't think I have any malefriends with an o sounding name
we don't know any orvilles yeah,so I guess we don't care, we
don't know, this is sorry, thatwas rude okay all right, where
were we now?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
otis told detective reedy that eddie lee was still
receiving social security checksand that they were being sent
to brother Orville.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Orville yes, oh God.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And Orville is sending them to Eddie Lee, or
actually, eddie Lee is coming upto pick them up.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh, he's coming to pick them up in person.
Yes, all right.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Otis and Detective Reedy don't know this tidbit.
They know that Orville is incommunication with Eddie Lee.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Orville is getting the checks to him.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I don't know the nuts and bolts of it, but he's
getting the checks to Eddie.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Lee.
So clearly they must becommunicating.
Reedy follows this paper trailand he does find where the
Social Security checks werebeing cashed.
They were being cashed inanother city in Ohio, but still
in the same county.
So, nearby Reedy is noting thathe's going to keep an eye on
that.
Reedy was tracing the movementsof the Sexans.

(16:52):
He found his way to Indiana.
He knew they were there but hecouldn't figure out where they
went to next.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Okay, dead end.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Mm-hmm.
Meanwhile, Eddie Lee is settingup a whole life in Florida.
He's living off the grid andevery two weeks he takes a 2000
mile round trip drive for hisSocial Security checks.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did they discuss why they're not mailing it?
Did they just not trust themail?
You could send a mail to a fakename in a PL box box and
nothing that I read or saw.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Questions this part.
So specifically I can surmisethat eddie lee thinks he's
smarter than the system and ifthere's no paper trail to
florida then they can't find himyeah, yeah yeah, they're still
being sent to someone, thoughthe feds just cut it off, yeah
cut off his payment.
Exactly you're a wantedcriminal.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Exactly you're paying a fugitive.
This should be cut off at thetop yeah, just cut off.
Don't stop sending him payments, stop sending it.
You're paying a fugitive tostay on the run.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Mm, hmm, also, during this time, eddie Lee has
started to talk about insurancefraud a little bit more,
mentioning life insurancepolicies, and pixie and willie
are starting to mention gettingrid of joel and how maybe a life

(18:13):
insurance policy could helpthem yeah, and he is only an
in-law right, it's somethingthat's only come up a couple
times at this point and it'sonly been mentioned in a joking
tone, that's how it alwaysstarts.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
They just float it as a joke.
I was joking.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Mm-hmm Joel was treated horribly yeah of course
he was.
I mean.
Clearly, the jokes about thiswere just the tip of the iceberg
.
He was always treated lesserthan in the Sexton group.
But now You're not a blood boyRight, yeah, now, with tensions
being high, it's even worse.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
It seems like everyone took their frustrations
out on him.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Nerves are getting frayed.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, he was once forced to eat a live fish.
Yeah, just because he was alsobeaten so badly by the Sexton
boys one time that Eddie Lee gotmad at his own sons for it.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You whipped him too hard.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, Okay, Another time the Sexton boys poured hot
sauce down Joel's rectum.
The violence and chaos of theSexton family was becoming too
much for Dave and Gene Sexton.
Eddie Lee was gone every twoweeks to get those checks, and
so the kids would have partiesand get mischievous while he was
gone.
This is when they did most ofthe mean and hellacious stuff to

(19:33):
Joel.
Because of this, Dave and Jeansaid you're done, you have to go
somewhere else with this Begone with you.
They left.
The Florida Sexton compound iswhat I started calling it in my
head in september and they allloaded up in their camper,
including sherry and her sonchris, so they've added more to

(19:56):
their rv to the troop.
Now they have 14 people in thiscamper and by early october the
sextons were parked at a statepark in florida they stay in
florida now and they just hop todifferent state parks that's so
swampy, this is so fitting theywere all squeezed into the rv,

(20:16):
which was only a 24 foot rv andit was only meant to sleep eight
people there's only one toiletin there they were also only
allowed to be eight people persite and they only have one site
oh, you mean like the lot theyrent at the okay yeah I was
thinking that too, like I knowthey might charge for a vehicle,

(20:37):
but they also have a personnelcapacity so this meant that not
everyone could be outside all atonce.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Not everyone could be outside during the day you you
gotta hide and go in shifts.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yep, you have to be quiet and you have little kids.
Chris Dawn Shasta Skipper.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Stuffed in an oversized closet.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Only nine or eight at this point.
I mean, even there's young kidsthere.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
In a sweltering, hot, swampland RV.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was also really rainy that October.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So everyone was just crammed into that little camper
Community, mosquitoes.
Little Skipper Lee wouldn'trest.
He got really fussy andwouldn't stop crying.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's still a baby at this point, right?
He's a baby, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Pixie gave Skipper some baby Tylenol, and she
crushed some aspirin and rubbedit on his gums.
She also gave him some adultstrength NyQuil.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh, he's going to die , isn't he?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
She gave it to him every day.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
He was teething he was teething.
Yeah, yeah, Is what's happeninghere.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
She's not a first time, mom.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Why does she not know the basic?
I've never been a father and Iknow what teething is.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
There are 14 people in this camper and they've been
on the run.
I can't imagine where your mindis.
I'm not giving her any excuseshere, but she's not thinking,
she's not One night in October.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Three.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, a rainy night, pixie was getting Skipper Lee
ready for bed.
She gave him the standard halfa cap of NyQuil before bed,
which became regular for him.
Then she curled up next toSkipper Lee to go to sleep and
the baby woke up around 3 am, 4am and wouldn't stop crying.

(22:25):
Pixie gave him more NyQuil.
It didn't work.
After 30 minutes or so EddieLee yells Get that baby quiet or
I will.
Pixie then slaps Skipper backand forth in the face about 10
times.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That'll work.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's a technique that she's used with her older kids
to shock them out of their fits.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
She remembers that, but not that teething as a
concept yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
When this didn't help Skipper Lee, he continued to
cry.
Now he's screaming.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So Pixie places her hand over Skipper Lee's mouth to
quiet him.
She held her hand there untilhe fell silent.
Once Skipperly was quiet, pixiefell asleep.
When Pixie woke up she screamedfor her dad.
Skipperly was gray, with hiseyes wide open.
Charles asked Pixie whathappened and she replied it just

(23:22):
died.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
No, she killed him.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah and he's not an ityeah that's her quote that's
always telling, yeah and sherefers to skipper a few times,
as it not even post death, butlike as he's alive too, she
never really fully connectedwith him.
I don't think okay charlestried performing cpr and mouth
to mouth.
Um, it wasn't working.

(23:47):
Charles said that he recallshis dad was quote calm as all
fuck that tracks yeah on brand,as they say charles skipper lee
died on october 19th 1993,murdered by his mother, pixie on

(24:07):
that sobering note eddie leetold the family that skipper lee
died of crib death, which isanother term for sudden infant
death syndrome or sids yeaheddie lee tells the family this
and everyone believes it.
Pixie, I think, believes it.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Makes herself believe yes.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Pixie and Eddie Lee decide to bury Skipper in the
park in that state park.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Pixie dresses the baby in burial clothes.
His rigor mortis was alreadysetting in.
Skipper Lee wore a white shirtwith blue overalls.
Pixie placed a pacifier in hismouth and a rattle in his hand.
They then placed skipper in awhite blanket and put him in a
duffel bag.
And then they put the duffelbag inside two trash bags.

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Joel carried the bag and dugthe hole for his son while
crying and saying why me, whydid this have to happen to my
son?
Poor Joel.
I feel so bad for him and he, atthis point, he does believe
that it was an accident that thebaby died of SIDS.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
He just died.
Yeah, inside of Sid's, he justdied.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah yeah.
After Skipper Lee was buried,pixie placed a dollar store silk
rose that was inside of, likethose clear glass tubes that you
get from the dollar store.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
She put that on his grave or on his burial site.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I know Joel had .
He had some issues himself Likeno one was like we can't bury a
human on State Park.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
To your point, Joel was upset that they weren't
giving Skipper Lee a properburial.
This upset him.
He was saying he wanted tocontact the authorities.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, like he'd just bury a baby in the woods.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, he wanted to do it properly.
He if nothing was wrong withhim?

Speaker 2 (26:04):
What are we hiding and?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
that's how he was.
What's going on here?
Because of this?
Eddie Lee tells Pixie, if thiskeeps, up.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
we're going to have to take him out.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yes, we have to oldie-aller him While this is
going on at the state park inFlorida.
Detective Reedy is stillworking it.
He is trying to track down theSextons.
He was interviewing Michelle,lana and James just again
circling back.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
He heard from them that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, he reached out yeah.
He was trying to get some typeof a case built against Eddie
Lee to take to the grand jury.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Grand jury yes.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, october 18th, the day before Skipper Lee is
murdered, lana was taken to thepsychiatric ward at Akron
Children's Hospital.
She was having her fits again,speaking demonically.
She said she had a dream abouther dad, that he was telling her
to kill herself and her fosterparents her foster parents.

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The next day, october 19th,brother James was also admitted
into the psych ward at AkronChildren's Hospital.
He was having psychoticepisodes and he mentioned a
dream he had of his dad tellinghim to kill himself.
Then, a few days later,michelle reported to DHS that
she had a dream, the same night.
She mentioned the same date andshe said she heard her dad and

(27:30):
other voices telling her to killherself and her new husband.
Nothing comes of this.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh, this is just an interesting story.
Oh, I thought there was goingto be like there was wonky
talkies in their houses.
Nope, he was.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Nope, nope.
These are true dreams, a truestory.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh, he must have been sending them messages on the
astral plane listen, man, Idon't know how to explain that
one.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I didn't dive deep into it, but they all had a
dream and, granted, they'reheightened in general at this
point, but they all had it atthe same night or around the
same night I wonder if it was arecurring dream for them all
originally, if yeah their dadhad like indoctrinated them with
the concept of if things getdour for the family, take
yourself out.
Oh yeah, yeah.

(28:12):
I'm sure there's all of thatworking in their minds.
Because of all of this,detective Reedy was worried that
Lana and James wouldn't be wellenough to testify to the grand
jury later that week.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's a fair concern .

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Reedy was also still waiting by the mailboxes where
those checks were coming in.
Reedy also took anotherstatement from Michelle, who her
last name is now Croto.
I don't know if she still istoday.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, but at this point in the narrative.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
She retells the story of her father raping her in the
parking lot to Reedy, but sheadded that he did attempt to
penetrate her when she was 15,but she was too small at the
time.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
So he tried then forcing her to give him oral and
when she refused he smashed herhead into the coffee table.
From that story alone,detective Reedy counted multiple
felonies.
So Detective Reedy's alreadylike who?
Like?
Yes, already here we havesomething.
Yeah.
She also told Reedy of theritual things that they would do

(29:22):
at the sexton house and how onetime they all wore black and
held hands in a circle around adead cat.
But they don't really know whythey're doing this stuff they're
just doing it yeah, so it'scult, like there's no strong
belief system.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's an approximation of it it's like he got like a
reader's digest version of yeah,colts and I can make my own,
but he's half.
He's going through the motionsthat he's seen.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It's like half-assing his own cult.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
He's pretending this is how they do, it right.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
There was another time when they were all hunting,
Michelle says, and Eddie Leemade them drink deer blood.
Eddie Lee would also marry hisown daughters.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
All right, they weren't legally married.
No, no, in their living room,okay, okay.
Okay, there's photos.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not postingthose photos, but I saw them.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I saw more than I wanted to see.
With this, oh yeah, okay.
With this, oh yeah, okay.
After they would get married intheir living room.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
He would then take them on a honeymoon in the
master bedroom, a honeymoon to adifferent part of the house?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
yeah, may, would also go into the bedroom with them
oh yeah my stomach just rolledover a bit.
That just made it worse okay,october 21st was when michelle
and detective reedy were havingthis conversation.
He then asked michelle, willyou testify this afternoon?

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and she agreed okay, testify tothe grand jury, get it going
detective reedy then spoke withuncle otis and otis tells him of
abuse that he's been suspectingover the years, like we
mentioned in part two, and alsothe Future Trons and the deals
with Burger King and Wendy's.
He's just saying yeah, let's,I'll tell you everything.

(31:14):
Otis told Reedy of the mock upart that Michelle made at Eddie
Lee's request that I posted frompart two already.
So if you do want to see theFutureTron drawing that Michelle
did because Eddie Lee told herto, I do have it on our
Instagram account.
Yes, the day after Michelletestified to the grand jury,

(31:36):
detective Reedy receives a callfrom Otis saying that Eddie Jr
wants to talk.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Reedy heads over there and Eddie Jr wants to talk
.
Okay, reedy heads over thereand Eddie Jr tells Reedy that
his dad sexually abused himwhile he was growing up, raped
him at the age of 13 or 14.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Hmm, okay.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
He told Reedy that his dad has done this to his
other brothers as well and thatEddie Jr also saw Pixie and
Eddie Lee having sex.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
So he's just raping everyone in his family, oh yeah.
Like there's no, he doesn'tdiscriminate on their sexes or
anything, he's just oh, yeah,okay.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
There's more as well.
The siblings are doing thingsto each other as well.
I didn't want to tell too manyof those because I think that
they're in a spot, in asituation in their life that
they didn't have control overyeah, they've been shaped.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, they've been habituated to it.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I said, enough for everyone to understand how they
grew up, but it's a tough one tonavigate.
After only talking to a few ofthe Sextons, Detective Reedy had
half a dozen potential crimesalready.
Eddie Jr also agreed to testifyto the grand jury and he
testified on October 21st.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Lana and James were also able to pull through.
They got better and they wereable to testify as well.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
All right, so they're building a strong case then.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Mm-hmm.
October 25th, the grand juryhanded down their indictments.
October 25th, the grand juryhanded down their indictments
Eddie Lee.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Sexton was facing four counts of rape and four
counts of sexual imposition andchild endangering.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
All right, yes, so finally they're going for it so
eight felonies total.
Good.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
All righty Yep.
So cut off his social securitycheck.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, well, I think now they don't want to because
they have a thread.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Right, so nothing comes of that.
They're still sending them, Ithink, because Detective Reedy
probably wants them to now.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Detective Reedy phones the FBI on November 5th
and they already knew of theSextons because they received a
video from them.
Oh yeah, and they?
Already knew of the sectionsbecause they received a video
from them.
Oh yeah, they're like.
Hey, actually we know thoseguys.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
He actually contacted our boss, like our boss's boss,
you know the president.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yep.
So then, three days later,november 8th, the FBI is
connected now with an FBIsatellite person or
correspondent in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Oh yeah, so they have like a they're ping-ponging
from the fbi headquarters to thebranch office in ohio.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
As this is going on, may sexton calls the office and
she's been calling a few timesnow trying to set up a meeting
with the officials, but she wasstill insisting that they were
doing nothing wrong.
When may May called, agentHowell answers and he speaks to
her and tells her of thewarrants for her arrest.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
For the kids that she has that are now in DHS custody
.
Yeah, so she's wanted to.
She needs to hand the kids overand she won't.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
She denies everything , everything with Eddie Lee,
everything with herself, all ofit.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
She's also now aiding and abetting a fugitive and
knowing where her want husbandis and not facilitating his
surrender?
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Howell tries to convince her to turn themselves
in and she says that she wouldneed to talk to Eddie Lee and
that she'll call back the nextday.
She never calls back.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Of course not.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Back at the state park in Florida, eddie Lee was
never going to turn himself in.
We know this.
He was actually drugging Maythrough her food, just kind of
knocking her out.
You know, not killing, nottrying to kill her.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Get her drowsy.
Get her drowsy, he would alwaysfix her dinner plate, which was
unusual it doesn't seem like aguy that would just prepare food
for his woman right and shenoticed that she would fall
asleep soon after dinner and shewould sleep well into the next
morning.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
This is why I think may started calling the
officials, because I think sherealized like oh shit, what's he
gonna do with me?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm on the chopping block.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Right.
Eddie Lee has now moved hisfamily to a different state park
.
Now it's November in Florida.
November 30th 1993, a librarianat the University of South
Florida in Sarasota saw JoelPixie, willie and Eddie Lee.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I wouldn't have thought they'd be spotted in a
library, of all places.
That's like finding an Amishperson at the mechanics, isn't
it?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
This is a very bizarre interaction.
Pixie and Joel come in firstand they ask the librarian about
SIDS.
Oh librarian about sid's.
Oh, pixie asks the librarian.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
How does a baby's head and arms look when a baby
dies of crypt death?
Because the librarian is?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
going to know that right.
So the librarian not too goodprobably yeah, she's trying to
help, but she's also like thisis weird.
Then willie enters the libraryokay, and they mentioned to the
librarian that they're stayingat a state park off of the
highway.
But Pixie was very unfocusedand the librarian said it
sounded like she was repeating astory to herself.

(36:59):
Ah Saying we were camping, Ihad a baby.
Now it's dead.
The old man is the father.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
What the fuck Okay.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like, yeah, this weird mantra, yeah, she's just
Like repeating the father.
What the fuck?
Okay, like, yeah, this weirdmantra, yeah, like repeating,
yeah.
Pixie then said she lost thesecond baby this fall and didn't
have time to name it all rightshe also said they were driving
looking for a clinic and gotlost and that's why they ended
up at the library.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, Likely story Pixie yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
They told the librarian the baby was in the
car and offered for her to goand see it.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know.
Thanks, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
She refused Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Y'all see our dead baby in the car.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, the librarian calls the campus emergency line.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
And it is just students that answer those calls
and they thought the librarianwas making it up and they hung
up on her.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You know those Mary Pranksters librarians, always
calling the local kids to saythey found a dead baby.
What, yeah, what pluckypranksters those librarians are,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Why wouldn't you at least go are?
Yeah, why wouldn't you at leastgo see?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Let me just go take a look.
There's no way it's a dead baby.
It's probably a dead possum orsomething.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Maybe they thought it was another college student
calling, pretending to be thelibrarian.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
That's a really deep lie though.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, anyway, apparently dead babies.
Just don't get people out ofbed like they used to.
Guess what.
Eddie Lee then arrives 30,anyway, apparently dead babies.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Just don't get people out of bed like they used to,
guess not.
Eddie Lee then arrives 30minutes later, so they all come
in kind of on their own time.
So this librarian is like whatthe hell?
Shh, shh, yeah, keep yourvoices down.
They spent three hours in thislibrary.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
What.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, Eddie Lee's just being really weird.
He's asking for informationabout Native Americans he's
still on that thread.
But he's also being weird withthe kids.
The librarian notices she seesthat Eddie Lee was angry with
Willie for getting lost and shesaw Eddie Lee dig his nails into

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Willie's collarbone.
You know how, like whensomeone's trying to be quiet but
hurt her.
You grit their teeth and gripinto you.
He also did like a quiet slaminto the bookshelf, like this is
all happening, but it's like aquiet struggle.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, and then Eddie pulls Willie into the men's
bathroom and then Eddie Leeexits the bathroom alone.
Eventually, willie does comeout.
He's not dead.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
But it's a few minutes of a gap there and you
can only assume what happenedinside was a bit of a beating.
The librarian then overhearsJoel say that he wants to go to
the airport.
He wants to fly back to Ohio.
He's clearly upset aboutsomething.
She also eddie lee be roughwith pixie and how he was upset
with pixie for talking to thelibrarian, so she said too much.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Then the librarian left for her lunch break can you
guys wrap it up because, uh, Iclocked out they're still there.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So she went and sat in her car.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
This is like a waitress is like hey, my shift's
uh coming up.
Uh, yeah, I'm gonna pass youover to so-and-so now can you
mind cashing out with me?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
yeah she was sitting in her car eating her lunch when
she saw eddie lee in a nearbyfield with a shovel digging.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Oh, so he leaves the library also.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, he's digging in the field.
Yes, Normal.
She doesn't know what he'sburying.
She doesn't see it can't begood.
He's burying something.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
They were talking about dead babies, right.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Now, I didn't know how to fit this into the
storyline because this is awhole side thing, but Skipper
Lee has been dead for six weeks.
At this point he's alreadyburied.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It's not him.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Eddie Lee, though, is burying someone.
It turns out that Sherry didmiscarry.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Okay, that was her reference to the second one just
died.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yes, a little bit ago .
Yeah, I don't know why Pixiewas saying that over and over
again.
I don't know why pixie wassaying that over and over again.
I don't know.
But sherry miscarried, do I?
Did she naturally miss?
Yeah, that rhymed, I know yeahdid she naturally miscarry or
did it get punched out of her?
I don't know.
I'm assuming somethingtraumatic, the way that pixie
was describing it.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
She said the old man was the father.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
So yeah, yeah, pixie's world is kind of
crashing.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think she would have been giving birth to her
own sister or brother.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah when the librarian came back from lunch,
they were all still therewhere'd you go?
Yeah, I know we were having athing here your helper didn't
help us thought you're in thebathroom this whole time you
okay eddie lee comes back insideand the librarian overhears

(41:53):
pixie say something aboutputting a cross on the baby's
grave.
And then she heard eddie leesay the only way joel is going
back to ohio is in a body lockerweird way to phrase that.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I read that.
That was a way that you wouldsay it like Vietnam days.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Oh okay, before body bag they'd say body locker.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think that's how they shipped them was through
body lockers.
They did have body bags, but Ithink that's more of a military
term.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Ah, okay.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Joel became more upset.
He was wanting to go to theairport and at this point Eddie
Lee chokes Joel and they allleave.
He just rushes them all out.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Okay, Well, after three hours he rushes them out.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, finally, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
You don't have this book after all, do you?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
They all went back to the state park and they've been
at this state park for abouttwo months now.
It is now January of 1994.
Eddie Lee was like hey, we'restaying here a little too long,
you know, we should probablymove.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
But man, there's this real nice RV that just pulled
up, it's bigger, it's newer.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's the deluxe line.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, and the owner was by himself and he had a
physical disability.
He could use some help, don'tyou think?
Yeah, this gentleman had aphysical disability.
He could use some help, don'tyou think?
Yeah, this gentleman had aphysical disability.
He was able to do everythinghimself if he needed to, but it
would take longer and he wasfine with that.
Hence traveling alone.
Yeah, but he was alwaysappreciative of help from others

(43:23):
.
It helps his day right, he getsthings done faster.
Naturally, Eddie Lee isintrigued.
He says, hey, I'll be yourfriend.
He befriends him pretty quicklyand soon he sends Pixie over in
an attempt to seduce him.
Now the neighbor is acceptingof the help, but he's also
noticing how interested they arein him so he keeps them at

(43:46):
arm's length but also is like,no, they're helping me.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, why not Sure?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Never befriend someone who's got kids in the
double digits.
Just never.
Rule of thumb Just stay away.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Right, and now the Sextons were no longer going by
the Sextons.
Their last name now is Wise, soEddie Lee, wise.
Same now is wise.
So eddie lee wise.
Pixie wise, willie wise, wise.
Yeah, no wise.
Yeah, the neighbor againkeeping everyone at a distance.
He didn't know what was goingon, but what was really

(44:19):
happening behind the scenes wasthey were planning to kidnap,
kill, take over his identity andtake his stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Classic.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now back to Detective Reedy.
He spoke with Orville Sexton.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Good old Orville.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
And Orville admitted that Eddie Lee did call him.
So Detective Reedy looks up thephone bill and he sees Dave
Sexton's phone number.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
From Florida.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
From Florida, but also a number that he didn't
know and he was like ah, let'slook into this number.
Yeah, and it's the number ofthe state park that the Sextons
were currently at.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
In Florida still.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
In Florida.
Yes, and the FBI confirmed theywere still there.
Yeah, they begin prepping.
They have some undercovercampers go down there to get in
there.
Yep, they start talking to thecampground owner and the
campground owner is no longerallowing anyone to renew their
site rentals.

(45:18):
Okay, except for the Sexton'sGotcha.
So they're slowly clearing itout.
And they're letting undercovercampers come in, so there's no
like weirdness to the Sexton'sRight.
So they're working.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
they're working knowing this is the fbi.
This seems like it's gonna go.
I mean, this seems, but they,they have all the chips in place
yes but somehow he's gonna getaway it is now mid -january of
1994.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Okay, the fbi were closing in.
However, the Sextons were armedto the brim.
They never stopped being ready.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, armed to the teeth, because it's America.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Right.
The FBI didn't really know whatthey were going to get
themselves into.
They were there and ready, butthey were cautious.
In the end there was no bigbang at all.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
The FBI followed Eddie Lee May, chris Kimberly
and Pixie to the localWinn-Dixie.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I was going to say just wait for them to leave the
campground.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Once they parked their car and opened their doors
, the FBI swooped in and grabbedthem.
Yeah, that's it.
Eddie Lee and May Sexton wereheld in the Hillsborough County
Jail on fugitive warrants.
Chris, matt and Kimberly wereflown to Ohio and into the
custody of DHS.
Later that week Eddie Jr droveto pick up Sherry and her son

(46:39):
Willie.
Pixie and Pixie's two kidsdecided to stay in Florida with
their uncle, dave.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
They were still trying to work that neighbor,
nothing comes of it.
They were still trying to workthat neighbor, nothing comes of
it, but they were still tryingto work that campground neighbor
.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, the old man with the fancy, yeah they're
still holding out hope for that.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Sherry would agree to DNA testing of her son one week
after they were found.
She's like yep, test him up.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
We know who's the dad .
It's also needed for trial tobe like the DNA test show.
Yes, so she agrees, detectiveReedy interviews Charles and
asks him where is Joel andSkipper Lee?
So Joel's not accounted forwhen they sweep him up Correct.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Charles said that Joel was picked up in a gray
Buick a few weeks beforeChristmas and went to Ohio.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
That's it.
That's all he knows.
Yeah, some guy picked him upand took him to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
When Reedy spoke with Uncle Otis, otis said that he
heard that Joel was picked up bya woman in a red Nissan.
So what's going on here?
Yeah, with Eddie Lee arrestedand behind bars, charles was now
willing to talk.
Charles tells Detective Reedythat Pixie killed Skipper Lee.
Charles really wasn't sure atfirst because he believed the

(48:01):
crib death story, but Pixieaccidentally admitted it to
Charles that she suffocated.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh, so she did know, mm-hmm, or she at some point
accepted it yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Okay, I don't know if she meant to kill him in that
moment.
Yeah, I can see that like notmurder in the sense of trying to
cover your mouth to shut you upand, oh shit, you're dead.
Yes, I didn't know my ownstrength.
She knows she's to blame.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Right, she's to blame yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Right, yeah, mm-hmm.
Charles also told Reedy thatJoel was dead and that he was
killed one month earlier atanother campground.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Did he say who?
Not.
Yet when Detective Reedyinterviewed Sherry, she gave a
little more detail to the story.
She said that Willie, joel andPixie went for a walk in the
woods and then, 15 minutes later, she heard joel yell eddie, and
then, when sherry started towalk over there, willie shouted
at her if you go into the woods,I'll fucking kill you yeah so

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she didn't check it out, yeahthis was enough for reedy to
connect with a homicidedetective he was like we got to
bring someone else in here.
All right, there's somethingelse happening.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
They've gone, they've stepped up their game.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, they arrive at the first campsite where Skipper
Lee was buried yeah.
They have a lot of police and acanine unit and after 20
minutes the dogs catch a scent.
And then soon the police werepicking up a silk rose and they
found skipper lee.
Okay, then the police went towillie and pixie in florida

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because they hadn't beenarrested because they didn't
know that joel.
Anything was wrong, so they goget them in florida.
And willie, if we remember hisIQ, is very low.
He quickly admits to stranglingJoel.
Oh, okay, and he says he didthis at the behest of Pixie and
Eddie Lee.
Oh, they told him to do it.

(49:59):
Yeah, willie showed the policewhere he buried Joel, and Joel
was only 23 when he was murdered.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
So he was strangled.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Mm-hmm.
He was murdered one month afterhis son.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
According to Willie, Willie told Joel to come into
the woods with him to take careof some stolen goods they had.
They would periodically stealthings.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, scavenging kind of family.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Willie said that there was a struggle and willie
landed on top of joel and thathe strangled him for about one
minute, willie said heimmediately regretted it and
tried to quote blow my breathback into his mouth didn't work
though yeah, when eddie lee wasinterviewed he said skipper lee

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died of sids and Willie Pixieand Joel buried the baby.
Eddie Lee said he learned ofJoel's death only after he
returned from a family picnic.
He said he found Willie overJoel's body.
So Eddie Lee blames Joel'sdeath entirely on Willie.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
On his son.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, entirely on, willie On his son.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah yeah.
Detective Reedy then interviewsMay, and she was saying that
she was a victim as well.
None of her children told herof any of this and she had no
idea.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Throw the book at her .

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, may was sent to Ohio to face her grand jury
charges.
Okay, eddie Lee had to stay inFlorida because he had a
first-degree murder charge onhim for Joel.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
For Joel.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Pixie was also facing murder charges for Joel and
Skipper Lee.
Willie was facing two charges,one for Joel and one for being
an accessory in Skipper Lee'sdeath.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Okay, Ooh, charged with murder in Florida, that's
not good for him.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Dawn and Shasta, Pixie's daughters, were taken by
DHS and examined for sexualassault.
Their DNA was also tested.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
See their paternity.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
They never tested.
Skipper Lee Joel's family didnot want that.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
The Sexton children, the ones that are still speaking
about things today.
They do believe Skipper Lee istheir dad's.
I think that too, having readit, but I think that Joel wants
a son.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Why take that from him?
Yeah, joel and Skipper Lee hada double funeral and they were
buried together in the samecasket.
Skipper Lee was cradled inJoel's arms, and they were
buried in the same plot as hisparents.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Okay, back in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, he finally got his proper burial.
That's nice.
Yeah, willie and Eddie Lee wereco-defendants in Joel's murder
case, as well as Pixie.
They were all being charged formurder with.
Joel.
And this wasn't going to workbecause Willie was very scared
of his dad and he would also beincriminating himself if he

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testified against Eddie Lee.
So in order to kind of spliteverything up, they looked at
Pixie.
They said all right, pixie,we'll make a deal.
We need you to confess tomanslaughter for your son,
skipper Lee, and then just throwyourself at the mercy of the
court.
Yeah, I don't know why thatwould be helpful, but Because

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she's charged with murder.
She's charged with murder forJoel and Skipper Lee.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, so I'm assuming they'll dismiss the murder of
joel charge if she pleads guiltyto the manslaughter, which is a
much lesser yes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah okay and then.
So I mean it is a good deal forher because I don't know what
the state laws are in ohio orwhat they were in the 90s, but,

(53:45):
like in michigan, manslaughteris a 15 this would be in florida
.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Oh, florida, oh, because they did the murders in
florida.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Okay so murder first degree in florida is a death
penalty.
Yeah, so manslaughter is a termof years I don't know if it's
10, 15 years.
That varies on state.
So it's a good deal for her toplead guilty to a 15 or 10 year
felony and get first murder.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
The death penalty just taken off the table okay,
yeah, well, she takes that dealyeah so it must have been
explained to her well and itsucks for willie yes, but now
because of that, I guess willieand eddie lee can testify
separately yeah, because they,because she'll presumably be
giving evidence against both ofthem yes, okay, so they're

(54:26):
separating everything.
Yeah, okay, she was the onethat split the thread that cut
it all.
Yeah, two separate trialsagainst both of them.
Yes, okay, so they'reseparating everything.
Yeah, okay, she was the onethat split the thread that cut
it all.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Two separate trials.
They will.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yes, pixie.
After she did her plea deal inthe trial, pixie said she heard
her dad, willie, and Charlestalking about killing Joel and
said she saw Willie strangleJoel.
Pixie said when Eddie Lee camehome he went over and kicked

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Joel's body, then looked atWillie and said finish him off.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Oh, so he wasn't dead .

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I don't know.
This is Pixie's story, neitherconfirm nor deny I don't know
Pixie also admitted that Shastaand Don were Eddie Lee's kids.
Yeah, everything's coming outevidence from the camper that
they were staying in.
The kids were also talking more.
Otis and his daughters andother nephews, other nieces,

(55:21):
like other family members, justfrom everywhere, are finally
saying, oh, I saw this back inthis time and kind of like how
Otis was like oh yeah, since1979, they've been weird.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Well, now other family members are saying stuff
I didn't do anything about it.
I saw it, but I didn't doanything about it.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
How heroic of you to come forward now that all the
kids have been through hell, nowthat it's done.
Yeah, while they were lookingthrough evidence in the camper,
they found a silk robe and anightgown with a silk blue bra.
This was for Kimberly to wear,the youngest she's nine at this

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time.
There were also two photos ofEddie Lee with Kimberly found
and one photo of Eddie Lee andLana.
Lana and Kimberly were wearingwedding veils and sheer lace
skirts.
They were photos from when theygot married to their dad.
They wore like sheer lacethings Right as evidence is

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piling up the evaluations thatDon and Shasta went through.
Those are now back.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
The testing, oh the dna analysis okay and the
evaluations they had for sexualassault okay, it is discovered
that don and shasta have bothbeen penetrated anally.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Don was showing evidence of also being
penetrated vaginally.
Neither one of them couldcontrol their bowels.
They're like toddler age-ish.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
And even if you're still in a diaper, not
controlling your bowels like youknow what I mean, like you can
tell yeah.
You know this is a big sign forabuse and also having been
sodomized, which did occur inthis family.
When asked, don said that itwas Willie Charles and Grandpa
Eddie.
So Detective Reedy's head isspinning at this point.

(57:23):
There's a ton of sexual assaultand just nastiness everywhere.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, how do you charge?
Everyone's a perpetrator.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
And this is.
I've read this in the book andI'm sure other people don't care
about this, but I do becauseit's my name.
When Reedy was talking to a DHSemployee about the case the
employee she noted the irony ofthe name.
And when you separate it, sexton of sex, and she also noted

(57:52):
the meaning of sexton asmaintaining a church graveyard.
Um, I hate that.
Now this is in my head.
Now it's ruined your name foryou because I've had those jokes
like growing up in middleschool oh sex, a ton, ton of sex
, sexy town, like all of that.
But I've always loved the factthat there's a creepiness to my

(58:14):
name, though I remember beinglike 11 oh, you think my name's
about sex.
You think that our ancestorsdid sex stuff.
That's how you get your name,isn't it?
Your job?
Well, mine took care of thedead.
Now I don't know what to dowith it.
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, it was just a curse.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
So after all of this the kids were struggling to cope
.
It's all done now, right, theystill have the trial to work for
, but their home life is totallydifferent.
Sherry was hospitalized in apsych ward.
She was dealing with depressionand PTSD.
Eventually, down the line,Sherry did give her son up to
DHS.

(58:51):
She could only see her dad whenshe looked at him and just she
couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Which I understand.
Question mark Like I've neverbeen in that position, but I can
see it.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Lana was still going through demonic episodes.
Pixie had a complete mentalbreakdown at the Hillsborough
County Jail.
She was put on antidepressantsand anxiety meds.
In April of 1994, pixie was onan IV.
Because she stopped eating anddrinking she had a suicide

(59:26):
attempt.
One month later Pixie triedself-harming and was put into
restraints.
She was having auditoryhallucinations of Eddie Lee.
When she slept she would havenightmares and then she did have
another suicide attempt.
May 12th 1994, mae Sexton wason trial.

(59:48):
Yeah, get trial.
Yeah, get her.
Yep.
James Sexton testified in thistrial, as well as Lana's foster
mom and some other kids.
The foster mom spoke aboutLana's episodes and James told
of how one time Eddie Lee had adead baby baby sitting on the

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table, cut up and cooked oh,whoa right I didn't see
cannibalism coming into thiscome on, we have everything you
never really see cannibalismcoming until, bam, it's just on
a plate in front of you where?
do you get?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
the baby isn't one of his families yes okay, they
just have a family off the bookssomewhere I honestly, I do
think that they've eaten baby.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I do, I don't know when, I don't know how often I
am not gonna make a chili's jokeyeah, don't?
He said that eddie lee got thebaby from his mom and that
babies disappeared all the time.
So I don't have it in front ofme, the order of the kids and
how many gaps there are in theirages.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But for a while she's having them once a year, once a
year, once a year, and thenthere's like a three-year gap
and then there's a two-year gapand you kind of go wait a minute
.
What was she doing?
What's happening here?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
All she was apparently good for was being a
broodmare.
So so I do think there is somecredibility to this.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
Then it was time for Lana totake the stand.
Lana spoke about one time whenshe was eight years old.
She was taking a shower and thebathroom was near the master
bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
When Lana was drying off, she heard her mom call for
her and then, when lana entered,she told lana to sit on the bed
and lana said that her momwould feel me in the wrong parts
.
When asked to be more specific,she said my front, private

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parts.
She was asked to be morespecific and said her bottom
front, I mean.
I hate that they kept askingher over and over again, but we
know where she's going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
We all know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yeah.
Lana then said it lasted a fewminutes and then she went to bed
crying that night.
May had no witnesses to call tothe stand for herself.
The panel came back with aguilty verdict within two hours.
May was sentenced to two yearsin prison, and I think this was
the max for what she was chargedfor yeah.

(01:02:16):
Now we're in preparation forEddie Lee's case.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
His murder trial.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Murder, and another one there's a couple things yeah
, and another one.
There's a couple things yeah.
When Michelle was interviewedyet again, she mentioned that
one of her mom's fetuses was asbig as a notebook and her mom
boiled it and served it to thefamily, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Multiple kids talk about babies.
Multiple kinds are talkingabout eating babies?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yes, when James Saxton was interviewed, he gave
a bit more information abouttheir day-to-day life.
He said they weren't allowed towear deodorant, they could only
bathe once every two weeks andtheir dad would put satanic
spells on them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Be careful of prayers .
They could be spells.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Well, Eddie Lee's covered, because he also had an
occult library, a crystal ball,Ouija board and a romance shelf
with hardcore porn that he wouldshow the kids Romance shelf.
Yeah and he would show the kidshis hardcore porn.
James also mentioned eatingagain May's miscarried babies.
He then was asked what the babytasted like, and he replied

(01:03:34):
that it tasted like chicken, andthat's why he still couldn't
eat chicken.
Ew, like.
I think that the interviewersthink they're lying, so they're
pressing these, these babyquestions.
Well, what did it taste like?
Well, how'd you get it?
Where'd the baby come?
Come from?
What's this, what's that?
And they have answers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
They have fucking answers, man, mmm, it's
terrifying.
James also said that Eddie Leeforced him to perform oral on
him when he was six.
Eddie Lee also made Charles andMatt perform oral on each other
.
James said he was sodomized byhis brother, charles, multiple

(01:04:11):
times and that Eddie Lee wouldgive them each a dollar to suck
on May's breasts.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
The scores of depravity in this family.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
When James was asked what his best day was at home,
he said any day we didn't getbeat.
Now this is all evidence forthe murder trial.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Okay, right, the prosecution is saying we need to
understand where these kidscame from yeah in order to
understand how this murderhappened yeah, it's part of the
part and parcel of the wholetheory.
In order to show that, eddieLee is the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Even though he didn't put his hands on Joel, he's the
direct reason for Joel's death.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
The Charlie Manson kind of theory.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yes, that's why all of this is important.
So the prosecution was shootingfor the death penalty.
Eddie Lee's lawyer was arguingthat Eddie Lee didn't plan
Joel's death.
It was strictly between Pixiewere incestuous lovers and
wanted Joel out of the way.
He was also arguing that all ofthose other statements the kids

(01:05:17):
were making they don't need tobe heard in court, Only things
directly dealing with Joel'smurder.
I could see that case however,like I said earlier, the
prosecution disagreed and saidwe need all of this to
understand how that happened.
We need all of it.
The judge allows all thestories to stay in the trial

(01:05:38):
okay he also agrees theprosecution, saying how can you
understand the crime withoutknowing where it came from?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Goes to motive everything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Now there's going to be two trials against Eddie, not
for the same case, thoughTechnically three, I guess
because of the capital murdercharge, but the two separate
trials.
One will be for conspiracy tokidnap and murder the neighbor
at the campground.
Oh, the disabled fellow tokidnap and murder the neighbor
at the campground oh, thedisabled fellow, because the
murder charge has nothing to dowith child abuse, incest.

(01:06:12):
It's none of that DetectiveReedy was concerned that he
might get out on that.
He wasn't sure what was goingto happen.
A part of it was he wanted thekids to see that Eddie Lee's in
jail.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yeah, and we can get him he be hurt works.
Yes yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
So he wanted the kids to make sure they were going to
talk.
He needed to gain their trustthat the system is going to work
.
But also he wanted to get eddielee on multiple angles because
he knew that the murder trialcould fall apart yeah so we have
a conspiracy to kidnap andmurder and straight up murder.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Catch 22, though, is if taking the conspiracy trial
first is.
If he is acquitted, then it'sgoing to set the kids back
further and make them lesslikely to testify in the murder
trial, which increases his oddsof being acquitted.
Yes so it's a gamble.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
It is a gamble, but they had good enough evidence to
take that gamble.
But, yes, it did cross his mindas well.
Like oof, this is a gamble.
Yeah, the conspiracy trial wasset for August, and then the
capital case trial would followin September.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Willie Sexton was deemed incompetent to stand
trial Not insane?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
but he's mentally, he didn't he wasn't able to
understand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah.
They did say, though, that theybelieve he would get to the
point of understanding, so theywanted to give him some time.
Yeah, he did have bandages onhis wrist from a suicide attempt
.
He was skittish.
He would hide under desks or inthe corner of the cell.
This was when he was still injust regular gen pop.
After they realized he wasn'table to handle all of that, he

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was then committed to a programat florida state mental hospital
.
Okay, august 31st, eddie lee'sfirst trial for conspiracy.
The first witness to come tothe stand was his son, charles.
Now Charles has not been doingwell.
He keeps changing his storieswhen he's interviewed, and he
was currently in jail forburglary, so he took the stand

(01:08:15):
in his jailhouse blues Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You gotta look for a jury.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Charles answered the questions about the conspiracy
to kidnap and murder and tosteal the identity of their
camping neighbor, and this is afelony of up to 30 years,
apparently in Florida.
That's what I read.
I don't know if it's changed,but in the 90s it was.
The trial was conducted and bythe end of the day he was deemed
guilty and he will be sentencedto 15 years for this.

(01:08:45):
Okay so we got him Now Joel'smurder trial.
It was considered a highprofile case and the jury had to
make two decisions.
The first one is he guilty, yesor no?
And then the second one shouldhe die for it, yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
It's always been weird to me that in Florida, and
I guess other death penaltystates too, that the jury
decides the sentence of death orno.
It's always been weird to methat in Florida and I guess
other death penalty states toothat the jury decides the
sentence of death or not.
I think it's weird that when itcomes to a sentence, it's up to
the jury to decide it and notthe judge.
The judge is there to.
It's just weird.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
It's probably to help keep blood off people's hands.
A group decided it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
It's probably a mental thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I didn't kill anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
We decided same principle as having one chamber
empty yeah, firing squad yeahyou can always say I was the one
who had the empty one right allright.
So yeah, jury's got to decidetwo questions yes, is he guilty?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
yes or no, and should he die for it or have life in
prison?
Those are the options.
Pixie takes the stand as awitness and she was quiet and
hard to hear.
She said that eddie lee came upwith a plan to kill joel.
Pixie's statement was all right.
She was quiet and a little bitinconsistent, but she was okay.

(01:10:03):
She did all right.
Now, when the librarian wascalled to the stand, she told of
her experience with them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I imagine it's very meticulous.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
She wasn't really she was emotional but it still
worked.
She was the tipping point forthe jury.
When people asked the juryafter what made you decide, they
said the librarian.
Whatever she experienced shookher well, she was finally an
outside source yeah, thatexperienced them.
That's not a, he said.
She said she's like no guys,it's wild they're fucking weird
man she couldn't even answerwhat she saw, really but she was

(01:10:35):
like I know I saw this.
So she goes through and she doestalk about pixie referencing a
baby.
She talks about eddie leepossibly burying a baby.
She's like I don't know what heburied, but they're talking
baby, he's burying something.
They're acting weird, I don'tknow.
And then the defense is likewell, what baby if skipper lee

(01:10:57):
died six weeks prior?
Because she sorry, mic popmoving my hands she doesn't know
that Skipper Lee's dead.
She doesn't know that.
I mean now she knows thatSkipper Lee's dead, but at the
time she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And she doesn't Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
And she doesn't know that Sherry had a miscarriage
and that's what was happeningthere.
She has no idea, but she stayedby her word of I don't care
when Skipper skipperly died.
This is what they said to me,this is what I saw.
She didn't shake, but she criedand she was emotional but her
story stayed the same.
Like they asked me if I wantedto come to their car and see the
dead baby, yeah, and she didn'tknow who they were at the time,

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and then, once stories came out, she saw the news.
That's when she reached out tothe police oh, okay yes, that's
how they got connected.
She reached out to them beinglike I saw these people, they're
weird and they were buryingsomething like what is this?
There were five days oftestimony.
The kids, chris, charles,michelle and matt all spoke nice
as they did.

(01:11:55):
They did okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
They were timid, looked down, they acted like
kids that have been through shit, yeah, and don't want to be
there, yeah, so again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
The librarian was the one who came in and really
helped tip the scales in theirfavor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Gave the outsiders perspective of it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yes, the defense for Eddie Lee only called two
witnesses his daughter, sherry,and his sister-in-law Jean from
Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Sherry blamed everything on Pixie.
Sherry and Pixie, I think justdon't get along.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
When Sherry was cross-examined, she admitted to
always having a hatred for Pixie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Oh, okay, so then you're, so there goes that
witness.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
When Gene Sexton took the stand, she confirmed how
Eddie Lee and his sons wouldbeat Joel Okay, so I don't know
why Jean was even there.
She didn't really help EddieLee?
I don't know.
Eddie Lee did not take thestand himself, which I thought
was pretty surprising.
The jury did, however, watchthe video that he sent to the

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FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
The FBI and Janet Reno and President Clinton.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
After over two hours, the jury found Eddie Lee Sexton
guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I think after all that after watching the video
like that even if I didn't thinkhe really was guilty like
something's wrong.
He's got to be put away.
There's something wrong here.
I don't want this guy walkingthe streets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Right.
And then the following day waswhen they needed to decide if he
was going to have life inprison or death.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
The jury deliberated for two hours and then the vote
came back and he was sentencedto death.
They do not fuck around inFlorida with that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
No, they don't.
Eddie Lee was not put on trialfor sexual assault or incest.
Uncle Otis was really pissedabout this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Oh was he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
No, he became a really good advocate.
He did help the Sexton kidsafter all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
What was he pissed about?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
The fact that Eddie Lee wasn't being tried for
sexual assault and incest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Gotcha, OK, he wanted more.
Yeah, he was like no, he didthese awful things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
We need to keep going .
Yeah, so he became a bigadvocate.
Yes, he was Like I said, he's aslow burn.
He's kind of shitty.
In the beginning You're likewhy didn't you do more?
But he really turns up.
He was picketing, protesting,getting people involved.
Otis and Detective Reedy knewthat if the murder trial ever

(01:14:15):
got overturned, because, thejudge allowed all of that extra
stories.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
That's grounds for an appeal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Mm-hmm.
So they knew there was apossibility of Eddie Lee seeing
the light of day again, becausethe conspiracy sentence was only
for 15 years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
He's not that old.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Exactly, I think he was 53 at the time of the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Conceivably serve his full sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Mae Sexton.
However, she was going to bereleased in one year with zero
sexual abuse charges against her.
She's only serving.
She has to have the death abusecharges against her.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
She's only serving two, yeah, she doesn't have the
death penalty to go after her.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So Otis is writing letters, writing to newspapers,
legislators.
He appears on Geraldo Rivera'sdaytime show.
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
And he confronts Eddie Lee via a satellite
interview.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Oh, so Eddie Lee consents to interview from death
row.
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, what was the big thing inthe day?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Then right, you can see a satellite to like larry
king with his weird shouldersall hunched up, and live via
satellite we're bringing in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Yeah, this is the biggest thing back then yeah
eddie lee did end up walking outof that interview oh nice, yeah
, I don't know what was thatyeah, finally otis's work paid
off.
In may sexton was to standtrial in august of 1996 for
sexual abuse in ohio in ohio.
She was charged with rape,complicity to rape, child

(01:15:41):
endangering and gross sexualimposition.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
There were two trials for the sexual assault charges.
The first trial, michelle andChris testified and they did
okay.
Then Lana took the stand andspoke of the time where her mom
touched her private parts likeshe had before with her other
trial.
Now this one is a bad, badstory.

(01:16:11):
Um, trigger warning here.
It's a big one.
Lana speaks of a time when shewas eight or nine years old and
at this point she's like 13 ish,I think.
Support young adolescents.
When lana was eight or nineyears old, her parents took her
into the master bedroom.
They closed the doors and Lanaasked them what are you going to

(01:16:34):
do?
And they said punish you.
May then took off Lana's shirtwhile Eddie took off her
underwear.
May was at the head of the bedand she laid Lana back.
May holds Lana's arms up by herhead and then Eddie Lee bends

(01:16:55):
Lana's legs up where her anklesare by her shoulders, and then
her dad proceeds to rape her asher mom holds her down.
Lana screams that they'rehurting her, but they wouldn't
listen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Very Handmaid's Tale.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yes, when May took the stand on her own behalf, she
denied all of the abuse andsaid she wasn't aware anything
was happening.
She played a victim.
Blah, blah, blah.
No one gives a shit.
You didn't help your kids, youcan just fuck right off.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
May off, I don't care , may I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
You didn't listen to them you're not, I'm not gonna
listen to you, fuck offtestifying that you didn't
notice anything for however long, doesn't do you any?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
favors that yeah, yeah, either you knew about it,
which makes you bad, or youdidn't, which makes you almost
as bad yeah, like you had tohave known yeah, you're either
an evil participant or justcallously indifferent and
ignorant, which is criminallynegligent yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
After three days of testimony, may was found guilty
and sentenced to life in prisonnice that was just the first
trial.
For the second one she didn'thave a second one.
She pled guilty to 13 morecounts 13 more counts, just so
she could avoid the second trial.
But she was still maintainingher innocence.
She was eligible for parole in2011.

(01:18:15):
She was at the age of 64 andshe didn't get paroled.
They did not allow it.
I did find that she died at theage of 70 in 2017 of natural
causes, but she was stillincarcerated.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
She never saw freedom again.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Cool, so she got straight life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yep In 1997, pixie was paroled.
Otis was the only one thatwould pick her up.
Yeah, her siblings do not likeher.
They blame her for just as muchshit as they blame Eddie Lee
and everyone for, yeah, they donot like her.
A couple of days after Pixiewas living with Otis, she agrees

(01:18:53):
to do an interview with amagazine or a talk show.
Good for herself, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
It's hard to do worse .

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
She shows off her many certificates that she
received while she was in prison, and she said that she had an
interest in working in hospicecare.
She also admitted to missingblocks of memories from her
childhood.
She, however, still maintainedher story that she did not mean
to kill Skipper Lee.
I think she now was saying, yes, my hand was over his mouth,

(01:19:26):
but I didn't mean to, andhonestly she probably didn't.
She still mentioned in thatinterview, though, that Sherry
was a bad mother.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Nice Gotta, get your jabs in when you can?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
She blamed Eddie Lee for taking away everything she
ever had and said she wouldnever call him her dad.
Yeah, Good.
Michelle was pregnant withtwins when she testified in her
mother's trial.
She ended up miscarrying thosetwins, she believes due to the
stress of testifying, but shewas still married to her husband

(01:20:02):
around this time.
I don't know much else.
A lot of these kids just fadeaway.
I don't know much else.
A lot of these kids just fadeaway.
I don't know where they arecurrently they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
None of them stayed in the limelight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, why would you god?
You just want to be just livingtheir lives forever willie
sexton.
He kept being ruled incompetentto stand trial.
Until 1997 willie was foundguilty of second degree murder
and sentenced to 25 years inprison.
Now go back one year.
I did this kind of out of orderin 96.

(01:20:32):
James was 20 years old.
He was arrested and charged withmurder for joel nope, oh
separate unrelated he burned his38-year-old roommate to death
in a fire while the roommate wassleeping on the couch.
James said he saw his father onthe couch and he didn't mean to
kill his roommate.

(01:20:52):
Oh yeah, in 1997, eddie Lee'strial was overturned.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Oh, his, the, the murder, the murder, conviction,
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
All the extra details that the kids gave were deemed
unnecessary and another trialhappened.
However, eddie Lee was foundguilty again and again sentenced
to death.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Footnote yeah, I know , I just wanted to put that in
there.
In December of 2010,.
Prison guards found Eddie Leedead in his cell, having died of
natural causes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Okay, so he died before the execution could be
carried out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
He died on death row.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Probably had a bunch of appeals pending still.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I'm sure.
In 2012, Eddie Jr was a part ofa string of robberies over the
course of three days.
He also had a substance abuseproblem and he was sentenced to
12 years do you know what statethat was in?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
is that ohio?

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I'm guessing ohio.
That's where eddie jr wasliving okay, oh okay, yeah,
willie sexton was released in2007.
I'm assuming good behavior.
Willie is in a current episodeof Evil Lives here on Hulu.
The episode name is Fear ThyGod.

(01:22:12):
Willie and Charles are both inthis small documentary.
It's a short one.
I watched it because I wascurious to see how they did it
in less than an hour.
Watch it, guys.
It'sie and charles their theirperspective.
Yeah, they do not get detailedlike this at all because it's
about their family, but I thinkyou see the human side to them

(01:22:35):
and you see where they are nowand it's nice to see.
Yeah, um, charles has sincegotten much better.
According to this documentary,he looks good.
He no longer has thoughts ofsuicide and is married with a
son and a daughter.
Willie seemed to also be doingwell.
I didn't.
I didn't see what he was doing.

(01:22:56):
I don't know where he is inlife, but in the documentary he
looked okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Okay, cool, good for him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yeah, again, I don't know what happened to the rest
of them.
I hope lana found peace.
I know she was going through it.
They're full adults now so Ihope that everyone's okay and
they have found comfort, joy andlove and are living good lives.
Um, yeah, I, yeah that's itthat that was a big one yeah,
and.
And we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Three episodes, our first triptych.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
It could have very easily been four episodes, but I
did not want to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Brother Dave has all our side quests and I'm like, oh
God, another one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
We left that out.
Yeah, we don't need another one.
No, no, no.
That's why you can't ask anyquestions about them, because
there's a lot of answers.
But yeah, but yeah, I'll putall of my sources in the show
notes.
My brain is broken now and Ican't think of where I got
anything, but I know I have themwritten down and they'll be in
the show notes again.
We have an Instagram.

(01:23:54):
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Please also rate and review uson Apple and Spotify or anywhere
you listen.
It really helps us a lot.
Thank you so much, and I don'tknow.
I just hope you keep listeningto us next week.
We're going to go a little bitlighter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I need a break yeah, I don't even know what the topic
is next, do I know you'veprobably mentioned I've
mentioned a few.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I'll see what I throw in.
I'll see which one I feel likedoing.
I have a few that I've beenresearching, so we'll see it.
It'll be lighter, easier,friendlier, yeah.
So thanks for listening.
Yeah, bye.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Bye.

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