May 20, 2024 • 59 mins
Both Sides Now And Beyond: Join spiritual mediums James Van Praagh and Kellee White discuss the transformative power of forgiveness. They highlight forgiveness as a gift to oneself, releasing toxic energy and breaking the cycle of suffering. Setting intentions for forgiveness is emphasized as a powerful tool, and the process involves work in various dimensions of life - body, emotions, mind, and relationships. They stress the significance of forgiveness in avoiding regret during life reviews on the other side. Throughout the episode, they offer guidance on somatic therapy for trauma release and share personal experiences, ultimately emphasizing the importance of embracing forgiveness on the journey of spiritual enlightenment and healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hot Media.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thanks for joining us on both sides, now and beyond
dive into the unseen realms with spiritual mediums James Van
Prague and Kelly White as we redefine perspectives on life, death,
and human experiences.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Kelly, how are you, James? I'm really well. How are
you doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Just you know, writing things, taking.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Notes, typing? Good?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You had a fun weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I did. I went to I went and supported friend
Kelly up in Los Angeles. The l a Pride, gay
Pride week whatever, but parade or whatever. It was a weekend. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a pretty fun time.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Sounds like fun. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
All these pictures of people, I'd be like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Gay Pride in Los Angeles, how fun?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hey, pride in Los Angeles. Here are some highlights.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Let me see you sent me something?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
What is that on top of a shot? Gone? Oh okay,
SPI He was a celebrity. I don't know. There's a
little dog that was celebrating.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's cute.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I felt sorry for all the dogs, so I sat
down with little dogs, I felt. But then he kicked
the dog up and he's playing with the dogs.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That was good. Oh my god, that's fun.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It was fun and this this is this is a
guy and on a float with his dog. So I
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Oh I like that. Oh I love that. Very cool.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And you're our lovely the lovely police, the police's police. Yeah,
the police were, Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There they are. Okay, that's a sunset or is that
Santa and Boulevard?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And it was pretty interesting. So yeah, yeah, it was
not like it was forty years ago. There was a
guy I told you this, I think, but I'll mention
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
One of the highlights of not only showing with my
friend Kelly, Hey Kelly, Kelly d not Kelly and RG
my friends up there was actually I would walking down
the street and I went up to this man who
looked like he was a policeman or a fireman or
something like that, and I just said to him, just
because you know, that's my personality.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Wow, some spectacle or some circus. This is because there's
so many people and so many things went on. I'm like, well,
and about my age, and goes James. I said, yes, James,
we worked together. I said, huh, he goes. I'm Mike
Mike Morale. I said, what, Mike Morrell. We worked at
NBC universe receiving a shipping department back in nineteen eighty four.
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Oh my god, and then exactly seeing his face and
he goes, you look the same. I said, thanks Mike
longer hair. And it was great bringing right back to
that memory. Wonder. He goes, what have you been up?
What have you been up to? Since? I said, not much?
A couple of books? What are you about?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh okay, that's hysterical.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was a great and it was such a nice guy.
It was great. That was a nice, nice time.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh sweet sweet.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I really enjoyed watching people just celebrate who they are
and themselves and oneness of community, that community, and it
was just a really nice Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Always fun. That area is a fun, fun area to
be in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's very changed, Kelly. You'll be surprised.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, you were telling me to this afternoon. I was
discussing that with done how much it had changed.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, yes, yeah there, Yes, I love Joe sunder Lunch.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Hello and Benny Hidity from Chicago. Connelly, Hi Angel Aguilar.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
You know, Kelly, I always wonder what you get. You
see it first or I see it first.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's so funny. I know sometimes you do sometimes I do.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Ell I wonder everybody's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Renee Hansel, Hi, Vicky Nason, Hi Constant, Hi, Sarah Yet Okay,
Hi Lauren Cants.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Are you getting excited for the cruise? Kelly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm so excit about the cruise. I've actually started shopping
for the cruise, have you.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yes, I have my playlist together for the cruise.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Good meaning there's going to be an exercise and then
I call it an immersion, and there's going to be
that the the what's the megaharts is four the Love Megaht? Yeah, yeah,
so a lot of the songs are there, and lot
of them are immersive and divine something.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So it'll be very Oh this is going.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
To be so great. I've been telling everybody that I
know that's going I tell them that they will have
a deep experience. It's going to be so fun and
they're going to learn so much and change.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You're going to be happy they get off the ship
at the ports because they can rest.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, that's true. And then you know, let's talk about
that once you get into the ports. I mean, that's
a whole adventure in and of it's it's.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The whole adventure, and the stories are there and the
people from all different ships. Some days I've been there
where there are three or four ships in port, and
you meet people and it's fun though it's easy. It's
an easy cruise. That's a fun cruise. A little rainy sometime,
but great food and.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That great food. Oh, we get to see the glaciers
which are extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well they've gone forever. We get to see those. Yeah. Yeah, astrologyized.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, it's an interesting month. And what I've been saying
about this month is the first part of the month
is easier than the second part. Second part half of
the month is a little challenging. But right now I
feel that we're in a really interesting place because Uranus,
which is the planet of surprise and its New Age
thinking and its mindfulness, and it conjuncts Mercury, which means
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it's next to mercury in Veda castrology, it's in Aries
and Uranus gives us this new lens and it gives
us a higher way to think it and if we're
talking about forgiveness, it gives us a lens for forgiveness
in the next two to three days. It elevates the
way we think higher mind and it's with it's with Mercury,
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so Mercury communications the way you think. Also, and Mercury
this month, James is really going to be taking us
for an interesting ride because Mercury currently is in Aries.
Then on June seventh it goes into Taurus, and at
the end of the month it goes into Gemini, so
the fastest moving planet moves and moves and moves. So
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this is a period of time that is a good
time if you're going to start something like, don't be
afraid to start something new, because this is a great
time to start something new. Maybe take a new class,
think about forgiveness, learning the way you know, adjust you're thinking,
this is a great time for that.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
As a spiritual like for instance, so spiritual because the
rain is writing something spiritually, would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Timing for that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, absolutely, looking.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
At your book. Yes, editing your book around.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Here, which I really appreciate everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm enjoying it. Kelly, I've never known before and soon
everybody will know nothing there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, But also this is a period of great time
to review finances. So it's really yeah, it's a great
time because when especially when on the seventh of June
Mercury transits into Taurus, and Taurus is about finances, so
this is a really good time. No Jupiter, No Jupiter
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will not be in Taurus. Jupiter and Rahu are both
in aries right now in Vada astrology, So Mercury though,
we'll transfit transit into Taurus. That's good and that's a
really good thing for finances. So it's it's going to
be an amazing time. Then from the seventeenth time, have
you been working on that on finances?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I certainly have been, and it'll be finished in like
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Perfect time, just in time for Saturn to go retrograde.
So Saturn goes retrograde on the seventeenth of June, and
Saturn retrograde stay until November James. So this is going
to give us all time to revisit our life on
a deep level. And again let's look at the lens.
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Like today we're going to be talking about the lens
of forgiveness. Well, when we get into Saturn, it's really
important because Saturn brings up all kinds of issues, karmic
issues for people. So if you can look at any
of these of your life's, any of your life and
look at what you can do to help yourself, like
if you're with work or with health, or it brings
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out when Saturn goes retrograded, it brings out a discipline.
And also it brings us like a determination and a
drive to get to reorganize our life. So I think
from that June seventeenth on, almost for the rest of
the year, life will be a little more serious.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So maybe right now is good time to write your
goals down.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Great time for that, Great time for that, especially with work, health,
you know, emotional emotional feelings about maybe what has kept
you back or held you back.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, very specific, to be very specific with want. The
universe says yes, God says no. I mean, well, we
limit ourselves all the time, the ego world.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah yeah, so it's a perfect time to be talking
about our topic tonight. Well let's talk about that. I mean,
you know, I had there's a great quote here from
White Eagle, and I like you. I love White Eagle.
I just cannot get enough of White Eagle.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I've just got ten quiet minds in the mail today.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You did, Are you giving them away or to.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Whoever needs them? You know?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, I have yours that you gave me, and I
use this every day. It's the Bible. I love it.
I mean, if we talk about what is forgiveness, I
mean essentially forgiveness is essentially letting go of something, letting
go of anger or resentment or whatever you feel towards
someone who has wronged you. And according to White the
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Quiet Mind from White Eagle, they say that have you
ever thought what forgiveness means? It's you, your own self.
Your own personality needs your forgiveness. Your spirit is divine,
but until you have overcome, your personality remains human and
needs the forgiveness of your spirit. As you forgive, as
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your spirit forgives your personality, so also will you learn
to forgive others for all their seeming errors. If you
will train yourself to think in terms of love and
forgiveness every moment of your life, a beautiful healing will
take place in you.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And I just love that. I think that's so right
on with healing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah. And I've been using a lot of White Eagle,
but also on Jack Cornfield and talks about it. And
I wrote a couple of things down to it I
think really really important.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
And it opened up the whole discussion because as a
reading Kelly book, it puts me in that space and
what you're saying there, they're saying there, and it's all
coming together really, really nicely.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And he talks a lot and I use a lot
of that card things and insights about power of now.
If you listen to the moment, you can't be The
past has already happened, in the future is to be.
So the past is already going and it's it's very evil.
I just wanted to share with everybody what car totally
talked about it, and it was really interesting he said that.
And we know every day they would live with evil
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people at evil world wars, starvation, people hate crimes, killings
and so forth. And he says, that's the human unconscious level.
Those you know only there's only three percent of the
world that's conscious, which means that most people out there
are unconscious or.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Would you say three percent conscious.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Three percent on his planet conscious the whole planet. So,
and we are here to help illuminate or open up
or wake wake people up. Right, it's a big job,
big job. We can't back to do it, you know.
And I always say it's a responsibility now for internet
real possibility. But everyone listening to this or watching this
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is hearing this, and it's also for you to look
inside yourself a say, wait a minute, I'm going to
wake myself up. I'm going to stay asleep.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So it's a human unconscious and it's do you want
to be unconscious rest of your life? And it's also
when when we're when we're conscious, uh, we realize that
when we're constry, realize that we are in the now,
we're in this moment where we're involved in life. And
when you hold on to those old things, it's when
you're hold.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
On to the past that really is suffering. A suffering soul,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Oh absolutely you are. When you when you hold on
to something, I mean it there, it will actually make
you sick. It can actually make you sick. And what
it does is it influences the relationships that you're currently in.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
The correct and it's a karmic pattern that will start over.
You're enforcing that comic pattern over and over and over
again to repeat itself, and that's really what you're doing.
So you want to step back and observe it. Don't
be a part of that karma cycle. You do not
need to be a part of that pattern over and
over and over getting to break it, and by stopping
that they holding on to that stuff from that that space,
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you're continuing to live that pattern. There can be generations
and ancestors and so forth. It's a generation. All the
generations suffer because of that. Each generation sufferings do this,
and the paradox for a suffering creates in some ways,
the paradox is a sole suffering. Suffering eventually creates an
awakening because you can only take so much suffering and
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it forces us to do something. It forces a group
of people get so much hape, you got to stop
and open up. It forces everyone who's going to the
soul is suffering so much, they have to do something
about it. They got to wake up.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, it's so interesting what you just said, because
Earth seems to be that dense place that they just
take so much, so much, so much, so much, and
finally one person will stop thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The funny thing is that we have to remember that
as we we think and we wreck, we're all connected
to each other. So when you wake up, there will
be that we're all connected in some higher level, that
we're all connected as one, and we'll all it'll help
all of us.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But now this is interesting, totally talks about this. Even
when you watch the news or you give energy towards
those negative things, you're enforcing that. You're you're enforcing that
karma and you become a part of that pattern. Or
you can step back and look at it. You don't
need to be a part of that. You can break
the karma cycle of yourself. And same with forgiveness is
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something it's it's it's something you can let go of.
It's like you said, letting go and it's not it's
not that you candone the activity of someone else.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
All of a sudden you're friends again.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, we're not friend. It's just not being caught up
in it and it's what it is. And it's not
holding onto the toxic energy no matter what it is,
and breaking that cycle so you can step out of
it and wake up exactly absolutely way of waking up too.
It is and it's not papering over things. It's not
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say oh because you know we really do it your heart.
You get to really really forgive on a deep level,
not just say it, but really change. Well.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, it's so interesting, James, and I know that
you and I have both had this lesson many many times,
this forgiveness lesson, and it is a human lesson here
to have. Everybody that comes on this planet, I believe,
will have the opportunity to understand forgiveness or to have
forgiveness for another, because this is a tough place to be.
And I think you take advantage.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
About what you just said.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
It's for everyone, that's for yourself everyone. You inspire you
and you influence the tapestry. You influence everyone by your
active forgiveness. You're showing that possibility is there and you
put that energy out there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's very true.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yes, And how I've the lens that I use
when I've had some really abusive situations in my life.
The lens that I use is and it's taken me
a long time to get there. It's not like this
was an overnight I forgive you know, I mean, it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Wasn't about experiences, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
A lot of life experiences.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well you too, and mine were rough and yours.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Were rough, flying across the room and.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You know, oh yeah that's true. Yeah, I know I've
had a lot of that. Yeah, I've heard a lot
of stuff It's an interesting read, a lot of stuff.
But what I was thinking about with abuse and being
an abusive relationships and for people that have been in
abusive relationships, how I was able to come to a
place of of forgiveness for myself was I use the
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lens of what a great teacher this person was in
my life. This person was a great teacher because because
I've known so much abuse now, because of the abusive
situation I was in, there is not one soul that
I can look in the eyes that I'm not going
to recognize abuse, and I'll recognize it immediately, just like
I recognize personality disorders and forgiveness it goes with that.
It's because I had all of the experiences of it,
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and I think those were the big key teachers.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
In my life. It's true, It's true from your book
exactly right. You recognize people. I want to go on
to Jack Hornfilk talks about and the principle for forgiveness
is start to feel that it's not compassionate for yourself,
that you have the great you have this great suffering
that's not your own best interest. So you actually sense
the weight of it. You get the weight of not
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forgiving to hold on to that, and the reflects the
benefits of a And this is really interesting talking about
the loving heart and forgiveness comes from a loving heart.
And we'll just talk about that.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Your dream becomes sweeter, you waken more easily, men will
love you, and they say animals come closer to you.
And I believe this because it's believe that too out there. Fourth,
when it is discovered that it is not necessary to
be loyal to your suffering.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Oh, James, would you repeat that.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yes, I will for everyone discover that it is not
necessary to be loyal to your suffering.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
This is a big one.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's huge.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We are so loyal to our suffering. Focusing on the
trauma and the betrayal of what happened to me, Yes,
it happened. It was horrible. But is that what defines
you right on?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Right on? Because and then I take that a step
further back, Jams and I say, everybody on this planet
will be betrayed at some point. Yeah, it's part of
the human experience.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
The human experience is part of those experiences, and it's
what you do with it that matters. Right. This is
interesting is look at the Dilama who bears a weight
of oppression into bet and the loss of his culture,
and yet he's also a very happy and joyful person.
He says, they have taken so much. They have destroyed temples,
burned our texts, disrupt their monks and nons, limited our
culture and destroyed it in so many ways. Why should
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I also let them take my joy and peace of mind?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Wow? All right, that's so true. I love that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, you're giving away that joy, that piece of you
are loving souls, that's who we are. Don't do that
to your loving soul. Right. I understand that forgiveness is
a process. This is really important. It takes time. Yes, loss,
You've got to grieve the way things happened. You got
to grieve the situation. Your life is different now, you know,
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maybe you're not speaking to that person or what that
situation involved. So it's a process. You don't do it overnight.
There's a grief and Elizabeth coopleer Ross, you know, steps
and grieving, five stages of grief, anger and all of it.
So it's a process. This is a funny one, he says.
There's a story of a man who wrote to the
I R S. I have been able to sleep knowing
that I cheated on my taxes since I failed to
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fully disclosed my earnings last year on my return, I've
been closed a check for two thousand dollars. If I
still can't sleep, us on the rest. So it's a train,
and it's layers, you know, layer by layer, you have
to take this stuff off, and that's okay. It's just
a process of your beginning it. And I guarantee the
more you let go and you go those layers and
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your intention is to let release it and not suffering more,
your life will change because you're opening that space up
for energy for you to expand yourself in so many ways,
and it's your life will be easier.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, you know, it's so interesting, James, and I'll just
I'll tell this story briefly. But I had a very
challenging father. So I know you had family members that
were challenging, you know, and all of us who have
a family, we all have somebody that's challenging. And in
my case, I had a very challenging father, very challenging,
and it was drugs and alcohol and it was I
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was always just triggered by him constantly. So when he
was dying, I actually received a call from both of
my brothers and they said, you know Dad is coming,
you know call Dad is dying, and so are you
going to come and be with us? I said, well,
how much longer do we have? Is it like an hour?
Is it like two days? Because I knew I would
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be triggered, and I knew I was carrying and harboring
this anger, this frustration and this anger. It was awful.
And I went and it was four days, and then
there was the airport got closed down. It was two
bore days. I thought, I'm never going to get out
of here. Was just and then the weirdest thing happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
James.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I get back to La he passes away, and I
felt nothing but love. I don't know how to explain it.
I felt this relief, this just a release and a relief,
and I felt nothing but love there. And to this
day that's all I can when I think of him,
That's what I think of. I think of some of
the other things and I go And I don't know
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how I was able to get to that place, to
this day, I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, And how do we get to the feeling of
like forgiving someone like and market stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
How can we do that with our ways?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, really, the first thing is understanding. So first of all,
the compassionate with yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
The person that you're working with are people that maybe
the family that hurt you, that they might be asleep.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yes, they're limited.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You don't have any idea they hurt you. They didn't
need to, and you have to have enough compassions where
they're in a different space. My sister just passed over
and that's why I was thinking of this horrend The
stuff to me and people think, wow, amazing, but I
had to forget her because she didn't know any better.
She didn't know any better. I was doing one of
my guard months and I said to my sister and
she was in the spirit, and I said, you love
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these beautile flowers And she said, James, I'm so sorry
I wasn't able to see beauty in this lifetime.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And that made me feel really sad. So I felt
empathy for that, for the family member and for party,
because they're not awake, and not that I'm better or worse.
I'm more aware. I'm more because I'm awake. I'm awake
of every moment. But you're hoping you can't. The why
is like and you talk about how you don't want
to hold on to it, I make it so important.
You don't want to It doesn't define you, right, And
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you don't need to suffer. That's really really important. You
don't need to suffer. And the family member may not
be in the way the space that you are. They
might be asleep, they might not even know. And I'm
sure there are a lot of people that hurt us.
You know, a lot of people have hurt us, and
you've hurt all of us, have hurt people. You've hurt
people without even knowing it. And how do you think
they would feel? You know, and you realize even hurt them,
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you had no idea about it. So we've got to.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Be more compassionate about that and realize and empathetic. It's
a good lesson in empathy because I'm all connected to it,
and we're going to hold on to that grudge and
hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
To that energy. It's not good for the rest of
the people. It's not.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's really not. It's not good to hold on to it.
But you know, one thing is that you can do
with forgiveness.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Okay, I just want to go back to that which
I love, you know, and the Jesus and the Cross.
Forgive them for they know not what they do. Yes,
and really, but that means in those days the even
say that, but now we would say they're unconscious. They
have no idea what they did, So forgive them for them.
I don't know what they do, and all family members
have that. They don't care. You know, they don't know
what they're doing. And you can preach them, but they
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might not hear you. So to them.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So the other thing that I do James too, is
I'll look at a soul and I'll say, after you know,
a rough experience, oh they not only are they limited,
but they'll be coming back. They'll be coming back.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And if you don't forgive them, you're part of that
Karmac cycle. Oh well that's a reason.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, that's a reason.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's another reason to forgive them. Because you don't make
part of it, you don't have that cycle to continue,
and the patterns continue in other lifetimes and they will,
so you need to break free.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So it's a freedom for your own soul. It's a
gift to give yourself. It's a healing, it's a medicine
you give yourself so true.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Another point Team makes is I'm just set your intention.
There's a whole complex and profound, cheating Buddha psychology for
the power of both short term and long term intention.
When you set your intention, it sets the compass of
your heart and your psyche. I love that you have
that intention. You make obstacles become surmountable because you know
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where you are going, whether there's business, a relationship or love,
affair of creative activity, or in the work. So it's
a compass of the heart. And setting your intention is
really important and powerful. I love that, Okay, right? And
another one seven learn the inner and outer forms of forgiveness,
so meditative practices for the inner forms. So I actually
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wrote a course Forgive the Unforgivable, which is all about
this and how to forgive the inside and in the outside.
And the Renee has a graphic for that. Yeah, that's
my school page, James.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
That's such a great class.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Great class. That's an easy press. But it opens you up,
it reminds you. It just it opens you up to
all the possibilities and why forgiveness is so very important.
It'll change your life. Forgive us to change your life.
It may be more empathetic for people always. I understand,
and I don't feel sorry, but I get that they
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just I was so interesting. I was reading my dishes
one day and I heard always say about neighbor here
and neighbors, and I said, what's going on with these people?
And they said, they don't have any life skills, James.
These people are living without life skills. I love that.
But that's certain people all here together, mishmash of older
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people knowing better than anybody else or worse than We've
got to do it together. So do the best you can,
right right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But if anybody is having trouble with forgiveness as classes,
that's incredible for that to help you with that.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Forgiveness includes all the dimensions of our life. Forgiveness is
work of the body, it's work of the emotions, it's
worked for the mind, and it's interpersonal work done through
our relationships. What affects every single area of our lives.
One person you forgive or a situation, but it'll affect
every other area of your life. It's also because the
energy is being freed up.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I remember Kelly Mays Patilla England. She would say, I
remember We worked once at a make institute in New
York and she was doing reading for this man of
soul reading and she got to his heart and she said, oh,
I see you have been You've been stained in the
past life and your heart was stained. And I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I love that. I remember that. She said that I
was there.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, forgive, and that person didn't forgive that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Your heart was stained.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Your heart was stained, so it remains. There's an imprint.
That's why it's very important for all of us.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
She was so wise, so much wisdom that one.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Forgive us evolved the shift of identity in us. It's
under the undying capacity for love and freedom that is
untouched by what happens to you.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Let me read this is a really important one. Forgiveness
involves a shift of identity. There is in all of
us an undying capacity for love and freedom. It's part
of ours soul, and that is untouched by what happens
to you.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So you're not what had happened to you. It didn't
happen to you. You're not that. You're bigger than that.
Your love is greater than that, just a very small
incident of your greatness. So what it pays so much
attention that tiny little incident, when with so much greater
than that, We are much greater than that to come
back to this true nature. When we forgive, we come
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back to the true nature of being, a true nature
of love and expression. And then one more thing, Kelly,
is the left point of making forgive us involves perspective.
We are in this drama in life that is much
bigger than our little stories. When we can open the perspective,
we see it not just your hurt, but the hurt
of humanity. Just like we talked about, everyone who loves
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is hurt in some way. Everyone who enters a marketplace
gets betrayed. There you go, Kelly, the loss is not
just your pain, is a pain of being alive. Then
you feel connected to everyone in this vastness.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, yes, yes, I love that so true. And you know,
as we also know, nothing goes unseen. So in the
times of being abused in some horrible things that happened,
if you think they miss it, on the other side,
they didn't. There will be life reviews that will cover
all of this. And that's another way to maybe open
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the door to understanding or forgiveness or compassion or empathy.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Well, when I worked with doctor Brian Myce's Past Life Progression,
I remember some wonderful things he'd be taught. One of
the things he mentioned quite a bit was in that
life past life regression was that we all, and I've
heard from spirit as you have, we all go through
a life review. And what a life review is is
when you are on the other side and you really
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live the life you just had. From an objective point
of view, you're watching. You're the judge in jury. There
is no God that goes you go. You're there, there there,
you judge yourself and you see all the tests that
you pass, the lessons that you passed, and the ones
you did not. And it's very interesting. But one thing
you told me so I was stuck into my head.
And I always use this example where I'm saying, you
go to a store and you're in a bad mood
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and you yelled.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Let's see a clerk who gets really upset and yells
at a coworker, the co workers upset and goes home
to the family and yells at a family member and
somebod else yells.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
That goes and that energy continues on. When you go
and have your life review, It won't be the grandiose
events that happened in your life. It will be those
little ones like when you yelled at the clerk. You'll
feel it from his or her point of view ten times,
twenty times, thirty times stronger than when you gave it out.
You'll feel what you created. And then then you'll feel
how that passed on to the other person and now
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the other in the rippling effect that energy had, that
positive and negative, and how it was amplified and I
will continued out and rippled all through the experiences. Wow,
isn't that something that's wake up quote everybody you know?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You don't want to relive those negative things?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
No you doing here?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Imagine when you're in an eternity where there's no time
adds in your head forever and ever ever ever to
forgive yourself easy to forgive yourself here than over there. Yeah, right,
absolutely find up before you leave here.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Please please, this I've got to read. This is from
Sherry Abdu. She says, can forgiving years of abuse without
direct contact to the individual enough to free you and
them of the weight of the abuse of energy? Is
there a way to free the mind from the memories. Yeah, sheharey,
there is a way, but yes, can forgiving years of
abuse without direct contact. Oh absolutely, You do not have
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to have direct contact, not in the least, not in
the least, please, Oh God, that would only be torture,
not going to happen. But is there a way to
free the mind from the memories. Yes. One of the
ways to do that is to have a somatic experienced
therapist because a lot of the abuse and the traumas
are stored in the body, So that would be a
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great place to start if you are going down that road.
A somatic therapy. Trauma Healing dot org is a great
place to find. A somatic therapist would really help free
that up.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, because that that trauma stays the body and you
have to free that up and you get again in
perspective again, you train perspective, and that you're not the abuse.
You're not that right, You're not. That doesn't define who
you are. You're much biggering that. That's an experience that happened.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
But don't let define who you are because it shouldn't
and you shouldn't hold on to it because that's not
your stuff, that's someone else's.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You might be the subject of that. But guess what,
it's not going to define you. But I agree with Kelly.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
You have to open up in the physical, mental, spiritual,
emotional levels and heal it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But don't hold on to that.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But don't hold on to it takes some action here.
This is a great time to take some action on forgiveness.
What an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You're healing.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Absolutely First, the first you know, awareness, The first step
of of healing is awareness, being aware of it right and.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Not judging it. No, aware, not judge. Judge is fear based. Right,
awareness is healing.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So this is from Mary Snyder. She said, I'm learning
to forgive, but I can't forget. I understand, Mary, that's
it's I'm not saying. You know you're gonna forget everything.
She said, I cannot get hurt again. Is this wrong? No,
I understand that you don't want to get hurt again.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I get that you don't get hurt again. But again, again,
it when you're forgive it to be heartfelt about it.
But you're smarter, so the soul learns a different way.
I learned a lot, You learned a lot in the
relationship of that. Again, you'll be aware of the warning signs,
but the red flags flags staining. The inprint is right,
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the more energy you give to it, the more you're
living it. So don't give it that much energy because
you want to be aware of it and next time
it'll it's I always say, a soul learns.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
You know, as Kelly writes in her book, there's no
going back. Once you've seen something, you can't go back, go.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Back and go back. So you know, like we know
that as a grand children the red lightnings stop, green
means go nowadays and on what it is, but red,
I'm agree. So once you've learned that, you can't unlearned things.
You can't unlearn things, right.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, So Kyle Hodges just bought your course on forgiving. Great, Kyle,
I think I gonna love it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
It's a good course. I'd love to hear your feedback
on that.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, there was a lot of we're.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Talking about here and then some exercises and so forth.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, oh my gosh, wow, James. And you know there
are so many benefits too forgiving. There's so many benefits
to this, and we were just talking about, I mean,
you can have healthier relationships, it can improve your mental health, age, anxiety,
and stress.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And hostility energetically opens up the space and more things
that happen in your life more exciting, more spontaneity, more
sink lifts.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Up depression because often if you're you know, you don't
even may not even be aware that you you've got
a low level vibration because you've been heard or abused
or something, and you just can't let it go. But
what's the point of whole mean on to it? Really
is time? Time goes really fast. Have you noticed that
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it goes fast?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh? I said that only three times today?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
And oh did you It's like ziph.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's like zips. I mean it really is. It's so fast.
I mean it is so fast. And I find that
a lot of being around a lot of people now
and maybe because of the pandemic, but and also someone retired,
haven't been out a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
But well, and you were just yeah, i'll talk about
out in amongst and.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Then yes, this weekend was like wow, leaned against the
building or set with the dog, and I was just
fine because it was a lot. There was a lot
of simulation. I didn't need it. I didn't you know.
The funny thing was it was a mixed a trip
because I went to go see my old apartments that
I used to live in when I first was in
LA and I visited them and that was fun.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That was really kind of fun. See where I've come
from where once it's it's interesting to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
But I think it's amazing that you did that.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
It's amazing. And I had a great apartment. It was
tolly boy.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Now, I was like, was that the picture you sent me?
It was beautiful?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yes, yes, yes, beautiful, simple apartment, but it was nice. Yeah,
it was great. You know, it's always great. I think
we have to gosh. I think it's up to us
to find more joy every day in our lives. And
it's up to us to do that, and we hold
on the things it can forgive. It blocks that joy,
you know, Yes, it's just existing, you know, fully living.
So again, there are things that we've done in our
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lives that we're not proud of, and we didn't mean to.
I'm sure if that person or maybe were hurting a
certain way. Listen, I forgave some people that had really
bad stuff to me my TV show. But I forget
that because just tell you I was I hired these
two producers. You got executucers for the show and a
couple and I hired the executive producers and the show
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Jennifer Love and I went out and made the show
very successful, like a year of two marketing very and
the third year in the budget they wanted to cut
me out.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Of the cut you then you're the one that brought
it to the table.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
That's I'm the one. I'm the one that hired them.
So I said, well, that can happen because I hired you,
and we've got to have budget, Like I don't think so,
so let's moon as a CBS told them, we know
what happened to him. He runs the show. But I
was like angry at first that you know what, they
don't know any better. They don't know any better. And
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I was very happy I wasn't in that cutthroat world.
You know, don't even dog because but weren't you?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Were you reasonful?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No? I think maybe because I was. I was around
so long and that Hollywood thing I had around TV
show and I dealt with crazy there, and you know,
I dealt with a lot of crazy in the guest spots.
I was in all these different TV shows, and the
egos and all this stuff, and it was just it's
it's it's a spirituality and it's just mutually exclusive. Yeah,
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it's really just a weird. But I forget them because
again they didn't know any better. They didn't know any better.
And I mean I'd be on the set and I'd
be like, why is this person doing that? Why am
not saying that?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
And you know, like the guy that came that met
me and recognized me, Mike at the very beginning this weekend,
he said, you know, James, I didn't know anything I
would I do with this life is nothing about what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
He said, you know, I always remember you were fun.
You're a really nice guy. I thought myself, a genuine thought.
I'm glad that I left that Infrint right, because yeah,
that's a successful life if you look back, if she
does with grace and happiness and joy, and I think
that's a good life. You don't want to know one
thing about forgiveness. You don't want to pass over if
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you haven't forgiven someone deeply. You figure at the higher levels,
of course, but you got to really fill it within
your heart. Now they don't know what they did. You know,
it's the best way to live I guarantee, and of
course about this, but yeah, forgiving people what the highest
virtues there is.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's the highest actually, so Joe Meagan B. And this
is a tough one to read, but she said, my
nephew was brutally murdered. The murderer never took responsibility, even
though there were mounds of evidence against him. How is
forgiveness possible? Actually, in my book I discussed the case James,
you haven't gotten there yet a case similar to this
that I was dealing with.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Kelly.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, is from Joe Megan B. She said, my nephew
was brutally murdered. The murderer never took responsibility, even though
there were mounds of evidence against him. How is forgiveness possible?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay, so let's take it. Let's take this one step
of time. It really murdered. Is a horrendous thing, horrendous physical,
human laws, horrendous. The murder never took responsibly because they
were incapable of it. They weren't capable of that. They
were they weren't They know what that means, because they
might think of the most horrible thing in the world.
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They don't want to deal with the Kelly Younimore is
than I do this.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean, so a couple of things here. I
remember Mavis Patilla, So what somebody who does that, I mean,
is a like a psychopath? I mean yeah, I mean
really really, And Mayvis she used to say, taught us
that the soul doesn't really even connect into the body.
Remember when she would say that, you know, the soul
wouldn't connect into the body. So she would say, you
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pray for the soul because the soul is not in
the body. Because you think, how in the world can
somebody do something like that if there was a consciousness
and there's no consciousness.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Obviously that person is unconscious and sleepwalk completely completely.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And the other thing to know is this that when
they do that live review, and that soul will do
a live review, there will be that soul will feel
every single thing that he did to your nephew and
everything to the family and to all the family members.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
So it's a it's a tough one. It's a tough one. Tough.
It's an advanced course.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, I love that, James, an advanced course.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I mean, the same thing happened with so I often say,
and that's horrible, and I mean to diminish it at all.
But I always we're not able to forgive someone that
we're putting ourselves down on that level.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Oh, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Down to the level you want to rise up and
be higher. I remember I've talked about this before in
the show, and I love this example. Number one. I
just want to back, your nephew is not dead. It
was very very alive. So that was played out, but
alive and happy. That's really important to know that. So
don't place your mind on he's dead. He's not dead, Okay,
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and it was a bad thing, but it is more
to your nephew than that time. He was murdered once,
but he had lay many lives many many years before
that that we should look at and be happy with, right.
I remember, I wanted to read for someone and to
talk about this one where the boy came through to
his parents and a drunk driver killed him. And this
does just happened to a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It just happened. We just talked about that today.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Ron. Yeah, Ron's yeah, Ron's cousin. I think it was
right nice. And the son came through to his mother
and father in the audience and he said, mom and dad,
and there's a cloud of depression around and it all
happened with course parents. Of course, I think it's one
of the hardest lessons on earth. And the son is
something very interesting. He said. You know, the man I lived,
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I died, but he goes. You know, I've forgiven him,
Mom and Dad. When are you going to forgive? That's
the right to do. You don't know his background, You
don't know what a comicle was on here. There are
other things you don't know. So that's the best thing
to please forgiven might.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Have Yeah, Cindy said, I just sorted the course I needed. Yeah, good, good.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Cindy, to freeze things up.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
If Laurie Maurice goes, there are always circumstances or soul
lessons behind these strategies we may never understand as Yes,
that's why we're on the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Very true, right on, Laurie, Thank you for saying that.
Joe Sunderlande says, does the act of journaling help to
forgive the abuser? Yes, just yeah, absolutely, And just as
that person was where he was at the time, all
I could do was the best I could for who
I was at the time. They don't want to carry
this stuff to the other side. Good for you. Yes,
And by the way, we're always growing and learning and changing.
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But now as you were not the same person you
were I was, I'm not the same person I was
twenty years ago.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I my book Talking to Heaven. I mean, the idea
how a suicide is very different now than I had
that in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But I still love this book. I love this one.
I'd read you the chapter of suicide now, for sure,
But you did talk about twenty twenty in that book.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I didn't under.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
The suicide chapter. I found it and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
About the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, about the pandemic. It was so wild. Let's see, okay, enlightenment.
I try to forgive someone, but every time when I
try to forgive someone, I keep getting flashback of what
they did to me. I understand that, honey. I try meditation,
it doesn't I try talking to someone, it doesn't work.
Here's what you need to do. And in this particular case,
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you're getting the flashbacks, you really need a somatic therapist
because a somatic therapist will help you release the trauma
and the energy of the flashback. Because that's PTSD and
that really does need to be released. So you really
need a good psychologist. Are a good psychotherapist for that?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Just look at that Renee. Thank you, Catherine. You order
the course, mon, we can't find access to it. Yes,
go to support at Vaanprague dot com or the thread
on the school page there the support at the bottom,
and we look at those tickets every day, every single
day we look at those and they're called support tickets.
So please do that now and we'll figure it out
right away. Actually, one of my workers, my staff members
(44:24):
are on the call right here, so they'll look it up.
But I'll remind them tomorrow, but definitely there. Just go
to the JDP school, discore up support and we get
right on it. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
This was from Doreen Ferrebou. She says, I have a
brother that wronged me for years. I forgave him, but
he treats me badly. My sister only believes him. Now
I feel that forgiveness was wasted. I feel free of
them when I forgave, so I felt free of them. Okay,
so you did forgive them. I mean he's listen, family again,
family dynamics. There's something else, but I'm glad that you
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were able to forgive them.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna say something I had
to forgive we. I'm gonna say very bookly, which I
said one during virtue.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, it's a story there.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
When she decided that she was going to be a
Christian and like the New Age and all those Oracle cards,
and then millions of people that hurt were hurt by that,
that really destroyed me. I just literally remember literally it's
pretty radical part of it. It really was hard for
me to forgive her.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
And I wrote her a letter and it was a
good letter, you know, it was pointed things out down
to earth and reel and grounded. But I felt I
really had a heart time forgiving her for all the
hurt of people.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Millions people are hurt by what are cards? All of her?
She has wisdom, I must say, she was very smart
in the cards, and she had good insights at things.
But I also think there was some I had to
forgive her because she again didn't know any better. I
think there was some mental breakdown there, and I really do.
Because you're not going to become a Christian and hate everyone.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
It doesn't make no sense.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
She hasn't known any better than that, So I say
I had to forgive her, of course, but it hurts
because of the the rippling effect of all those people
and all of us who are doing this light work
and that you know, it was just a tough one,
but I forgave her hard one. But I forgave her
because I love her for who she is. I feel
bad she's going through this, but she's got to go
through whatever she's gotta go through. But that was a
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tough one. But I forgave her, and that was that
was real hard.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
But I did, Yeah, I remember it was. It was unbelievable.
But I will say that you are a great letter writer,
and everybody should know that. I have a problem with somebody.
You put that pen and paper down and you get
that out there.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I'm a number one year Times author. Kelly. Oh, I
know your book is in good hands. I know Linda,
we'll get it there.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yay, thanks, Oh my god, it's so funny. Okay, let's
see said. Yes, oh it really is Boundberg, Australia. Hi,
Leslie Chambers from Bundeberg, Australia. I'm not sure where that is,
but wow, yeah, E M. D. R. Tracy Harbin, You
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absolutely right. That releases the trauma of flashbacks too. Yeah.
E M d R is really good too. That and
Somatic Experience is really good there. So these are all
trauma releases for PTSD. They all work really well.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
And there's something here from Julie Cole. My daughter just
had her house sage. Does saging make any difference or
just incense? She thinks she thinks she's getting rid of
bed juju. Well, I think the intention behind anything, if
that's it's petensions of love and positivity. That's what you're
putting in there. So if lighting sage and you know
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great traditions, you sage. I love to say clear out
of space energetically yep, But it's also the slought behind that.
I do a lovely We talked about the sweeping motion
of every corner of the room and going down to
the front door and sweating up that way. But I
think hot music of a high vibration. I think putting
ourselves into a space of relaxation. But you're going to
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do in a couple of minutes because I have I'm
going to do a meditation for us. That's right, right,
So I think that works. It does work, we should
probably do the forgiveness meditation.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
So I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
So, but this is a meditation, and Jack corn fell
again I associated in my friend of mine Colic, I
should say, brother, than I'd like to share this with
you because it's really a good one. So wherever you are,
just close your eyes and done the turn. Yes, I'm
read this too, So closing your eyes forgiveness meditation. So
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let yourself comfortably, allowing your eyes to close and your
breath to be natural and easy. Let your body and mind.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
Relaxing gently the end and the at the ebb and
the flow, and breathing now gently into the air of
your heart.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Let yourself feel all the barriers you have erected and
the emotions you have carried because you have not forgiven.
Just become aware of them. Become mindful all the barriers
you've not forgiven, yourself, not forgiven others. Let yourself feel
the pain of keeping your heart closed. Then, breathing softly,
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begin asking and extending forgiveness, reciting the following words, letting
the images and feelings that come over and come up
and grow deeper as you repeat them.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
I love you, I forgive you. I love you, I
forgive you. I love you, I forgive you.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
There are many ways that I have hurt and harmed others,
have betrayed or abandoned them, cause them suffering knowingly or unknowingly,
had a pain, fear, anger, and confusion. Let yourself remember
and visualize the ways you have hurt others. See and
feel the pain you have caused out of your own
fear and confusion, Feel your own sorrow and regret. Since that, finally,
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you can release that burden and ask for forgiveness. Picture
each memory that still burdens your heart, and then to
each person in your mind, repeat, I ask for your forgiveness.
I ask for your forgiveness. There are many ways that
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I have hurt and harmed myself. I have betrayed or
abandoned myself many times through thought, word, or deed, knowingly
or unknowingly. Feel your own precious body and life. Let
yourself see the ways you have hurt or harmed yourself.
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Picture them, remember them, feel the sorrow you have carried
from this one, and sense that you can release these burdens.
Extend forgiveness for each of them, one by one, and
repeat to yourself for the ways I have hurt myself
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through action or inaction, had of fear, pain, and confusion.
I now extend a full and heartfelt forgiveness. I forgive myself.
I forgive myself. I forgive myself for those that might
have harmed you, harmed by others, abused or abandoned unknowingly
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thought word or deed. Now let yourself pitchure and remember
these many ways you have been hurt, harmed, abused by others.
Let yourself picture remember the many ways, and once again
feel the sorrow you have carried from this past and
since that you now have the ability to release this
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burden of pain by extending forgiveness when your heart is ready.
And now say to yourself, I now remember the many
ways others have hurt or harm me, wounded me out
of fear, pain, confusion, and anger. I have carried this
pain in my heart too long, toe to the extent
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that I am ready, I offer them forgiveness to those
who have caused me harm. I offer my forgiveness. I
forgive you, I forgive you, I forgive you. Now that
yourself gently repeat these three directions for forgiveness. If you
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feel a release in your heart for some great pains.
You may not feel a relief, but only the burden
and the anguish or anger you have hi held onto.
Touch this softly, be forgiving to yourself for not being
ready to let go and be ready, and forgive yourself
for not being ready to let go and move on.
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Forgiveness cannot be forced, it cannot be artificial. Simply continue
to practice and let the words and images work gently
and gradually in their own way. In time, you can
make the forgiveness meditation a regular part of your life.
Letting go of the past and opening your heart to
each new moment and wise loving kindness, and very slowly,
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very gently, take deep breath and the rest the body softly,
and become aware of the little monoss of your soul
from the inside out. Let your heart shine from the
inside out, And as you identify yourself and recognize your individuality,
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let your heart shine forward and become moreare of the
color of the lights from your heart to the fields
around the body. The physical body is surrounded in love
from your heart. The mental body is at ease and
release of tension and trauma. For the love around the
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mental body, the emotional body feel that extra strong love
for all you've been through emotionally, You've gone through school
and tested with lessons. Were many costumes here and there,
and yet here you are so alive. A soul will
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live forever, and for the spiritual body feeding it, Love
nurtures the soul. Let yourself shine, shine so brightly and
so enlightened and so awake that people look at you
whenever you walk into their space. Divine heavenly parent, Angels,
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guides and loved ones, we thank you for sharing the
space tonight, and may each one of us find a
place in our heart to give all those we feel
have hurt us. And so it is, and slowly feb
your eyes and be as one.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's it's a lot of healing.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Yeah, Jack Cornfeld is great. He's great because website is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
I loved the mental body and the emotional body, and
I love that it strengthens all of that.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, it's all energy and you bring that, you know.
Like I've said before, when I had that experience with
the beings that on the extraterrestrials, we called them, I guess,
and they said, we do not understand the humans. You
have the energy of love all around you, yet you
don't use it. Why is that because we caught up
in the head instead of the heart. The heart has
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no time, The heart has no conditions. It's not condition
of love, right, but the head has conditions. And lived
from it and from your book to Kelly A heart
out lift the heart out heart.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Everybody is loving those James. They're all thanking you.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Welcome.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Brenda said, I was really upset about Duren too.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Thanks for bringing that now I had because it was
a major forgiveness part of my life because I was
with her for a long time and I've seen changes
and you know, yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Oky Man said. I pictured a large black rock lump
something oh that I laid down I removed from my
heart shock and laid it down in the meditation.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
Wow, and then you open up that space and now
your heart's explaence more love and then more love come
in your life. Once you look over that old stuff,
it's like cleaning out a room. You're opening it up
to experience more things.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
And you don't need saves and.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
You don't need but you could use this.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Oh yeah, let's seem yeah there, hold on, I'll show
you to you.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Oh is she's so sweet? Look at those eyes, James,
her eyes as blue as they look.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Are you as lovely as ever? Because she times when
her sleeping.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Oh she's so sweet. Oh my gosh, oh honey. Well,
thank you everybody, Thank you James. That was just wonderful,
very welcome. All right, everybody, We'll see you next week.
Say here a good.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
Week, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Kelly, how are you, James? I'm really well. How are
you doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Just you know, writing things, taking.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Notes, typing? Good?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You had a fun weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I did. I went to I went and supported friend
Kelly up in Los Angeles. The l a Pride, gay
Pride week whatever, but parade or whatever. It was a weekend. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a pretty fun time.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Sounds like fun. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
All these pictures of people, I'd be like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Gay Pride in Los Angeles, how fun?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hey, pride in Los Angeles. Here are some highlights.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Let me see you sent me something?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
What is that on top of a shot? Gone? Oh okay,
SPI He was a celebrity. I don't know. There's a
little dog that was celebrating.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's cute.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I felt sorry for all the dogs, so I sat
down with little dogs, I felt. But then he kicked
the dog up and he's playing with the dogs.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That was good. Oh my god, that's fun.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It was fun and this this is this is a
guy and on a float with his dog. So I
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Oh I like that. Oh I love that. Very cool.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And you're our lovely the lovely police, the police's police. Yeah,
the police were, Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There they are. Okay, that's a sunset or is that
Santa and Boulevard?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And it was pretty interesting. So yeah, yeah, it was
not like it was forty years ago. There was a
guy I told you this, I think, but I'll mention
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
One of the highlights of not only showing with my
friend Kelly, Hey Kelly, Kelly d not Kelly and RG
my friends up there was actually I would walking down
the street and I went up to this man who
looked like he was a policeman or a fireman or
something like that, and I just said to him, just
because you know, that's my personality.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Wow, some spectacle or some circus. This is because there's
so many people and so many things went on. I'm like, well,
and about my age, and goes James. I said, yes, James,
we worked together. I said, huh, he goes. I'm Mike
Mike Morale. I said, what, Mike Morrell. We worked at
NBC universe receiving a shipping department back in nineteen eighty four.
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Oh my god, and then exactly seeing his face and
he goes, you look the same. I said, thanks Mike
longer hair. And it was great bringing right back to
that memory. Wonder. He goes, what have you been up?
What have you been up to? Since? I said, not much?
A couple of books? What are you about?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh okay, that's hysterical.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was a great and it was such a nice guy.
It was great. That was a nice, nice time.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Oh sweet sweet.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I really enjoyed watching people just celebrate who they are
and themselves and oneness of community, that community, and it
was just a really nice Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Always fun. That area is a fun, fun area to
be in.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's very changed, Kelly. You'll be surprised.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, you were telling me to this afternoon. I was
discussing that with done how much it had changed.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, yes, yeah there, Yes, I love Joe sunder Lunch.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Hello and Benny Hidity from Chicago. Connelly, Hi Angel Aguilar.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
You know, Kelly, I always wonder what you get. You
see it first or I see it first.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's so funny. I know sometimes you do sometimes I do.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Ell I wonder everybody's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Renee Hansel, Hi, Vicky Nason, Hi Constant, Hi, Sarah Yet Okay,
Hi Lauren Cants.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Are you getting excited for the cruise? Kelly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm so excit about the cruise. I've actually started shopping
for the cruise, have you.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yes, I have my playlist together for the cruise.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Good meaning there's going to be an exercise and then
I call it an immersion, and there's going to be
that the the what's the megaharts is four the Love Megaht? Yeah, yeah,
so a lot of the songs are there, and lot
of them are immersive and divine something.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So it'll be very Oh this is going.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
To be so great. I've been telling everybody that I
know that's going I tell them that they will have
a deep experience. It's going to be so fun and
they're going to learn so much and change.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You're going to be happy they get off the ship
at the ports because they can rest.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, that's true. And then you know, let's talk about
that once you get into the ports. I mean, that's
a whole adventure in and of it's it's.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The whole adventure, and the stories are there and the
people from all different ships. Some days I've been there
where there are three or four ships in port, and
you meet people and it's fun though it's easy. It's
an easy cruise. That's a fun cruise. A little rainy sometime,
but great food and.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
That great food. Oh, we get to see the glaciers
which are extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well they've gone forever. We get to see those. Yeah. Yeah, astrologyized.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, it's an interesting month. And what I've been saying
about this month is the first part of the month
is easier than the second part. Second part half of
the month is a little challenging. But right now I
feel that we're in a really interesting place because Uranus,
which is the planet of surprise and its New Age
thinking and its mindfulness, and it conjuncts Mercury, which means
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it's next to mercury in Veda castrology, it's in Aries
and Uranus gives us this new lens and it gives
us a higher way to think it and if we're
talking about forgiveness, it gives us a lens for forgiveness
in the next two to three days. It elevates the
way we think higher mind and it's with it's with Mercury,
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so Mercury communications the way you think. Also, and Mercury
this month, James is really going to be taking us
for an interesting ride because Mercury currently is in Aries.
Then on June seventh it goes into Taurus, and at
the end of the month it goes into Gemini, so
the fastest moving planet moves and moves and moves. So
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this is a period of time that is a good
time if you're going to start something like, don't be
afraid to start something new, because this is a great
time to start something new. Maybe take a new class,
think about forgiveness, learning the way you know, adjust you're thinking,
this is a great time for that.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
As a spiritual like for instance, so spiritual because the
rain is writing something spiritually, would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Timing for that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, absolutely, looking.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
At your book. Yes, editing your book around.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Here, which I really appreciate everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm enjoying it. Kelly, I've never known before and soon
everybody will know nothing there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, But also this is a period of great time
to review finances. So it's really yeah, it's a great
time because when especially when on the seventh of June
Mercury transits into Taurus, and Taurus is about finances, so
this is a really good time. No Jupiter, No Jupiter
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will not be in Taurus. Jupiter and Rahu are both
in aries right now in Vada astrology, So Mercury though,
we'll transfit transit into Taurus. That's good and that's a
really good thing for finances. So it's it's going to
be an amazing time. Then from the seventeenth time, have
you been working on that on finances?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I certainly have been, and it'll be finished in like
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Perfect time, just in time for Saturn to go retrograde.
So Saturn goes retrograde on the seventeenth of June, and
Saturn retrograde stay until November James. So this is going
to give us all time to revisit our life on
a deep level. And again let's look at the lens.
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Like today we're going to be talking about the lens
of forgiveness. Well, when we get into Saturn, it's really
important because Saturn brings up all kinds of issues, karmic
issues for people. So if you can look at any
of these of your life's, any of your life and
look at what you can do to help yourself, like
if you're with work or with health, or it brings
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out when Saturn goes retrograded, it brings out a discipline.
And also it brings us like a determination and a
drive to get to reorganize our life. So I think
from that June seventeenth on, almost for the rest of
the year, life will be a little more serious.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So maybe right now is good time to write your
goals down.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Great time for that, Great time for that, especially with work, health,
you know, emotional emotional feelings about maybe what has kept
you back or held you back.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, very specific, to be very specific with want. The
universe says yes, God says no. I mean, well, we
limit ourselves all the time, the ego world.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah yeah, so it's a perfect time to be talking
about our topic tonight. Well let's talk about that. I mean,
you know, I had there's a great quote here from
White Eagle, and I like you. I love White Eagle.
I just cannot get enough of White Eagle.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I've just got ten quiet minds in the mail today.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You did, Are you giving them away or to.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Whoever needs them? You know?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, I have yours that you gave me, and I
use this every day. It's the Bible. I love it.
I mean, if we talk about what is forgiveness, I
mean essentially forgiveness is essentially letting go of something, letting
go of anger or resentment or whatever you feel towards
someone who has wronged you. And according to White the
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Quiet Mind from White Eagle, they say that have you
ever thought what forgiveness means? It's you, your own self.
Your own personality needs your forgiveness. Your spirit is divine,
but until you have overcome, your personality remains human and
needs the forgiveness of your spirit. As you forgive, as
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your spirit forgives your personality, so also will you learn
to forgive others for all their seeming errors. If you
will train yourself to think in terms of love and
forgiveness every moment of your life, a beautiful healing will
take place in you.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And I just love that. I think that's so right
on with healing.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah. And I've been using a lot of White Eagle,
but also on Jack Cornfield and talks about it. And
I wrote a couple of things down to it I
think really really important.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
And it opened up the whole discussion because as a
reading Kelly book, it puts me in that space and
what you're saying there, they're saying there, and it's all
coming together really, really nicely.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And he talks a lot and I use a lot
of that card things and insights about power of now.
If you listen to the moment, you can't be The
past has already happened, in the future is to be.
So the past is already going and it's it's very evil.
I just wanted to share with everybody what car totally
talked about it, and it was really interesting he said that.
And we know every day they would live with evil
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people at evil world wars, starvation, people hate crimes, killings
and so forth. And he says, that's the human unconscious level.
Those you know only there's only three percent of the
world that's conscious, which means that most people out there
are unconscious or.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Would you say three percent conscious.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Three percent on his planet conscious the whole planet. So,
and we are here to help illuminate or open up
or wake wake people up. Right, it's a big job,
big job. We can't back to do it, you know.
And I always say it's a responsibility now for internet
real possibility. But everyone listening to this or watching this
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is hearing this, and it's also for you to look
inside yourself a say, wait a minute, I'm going to
wake myself up. I'm going to stay asleep.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So it's a human unconscious and it's do you want
to be unconscious rest of your life? And it's also
when when we're when we're conscious, uh, we realize that
when we're constry, realize that we are in the now,
we're in this moment where we're involved in life. And
when you hold on to those old things, it's when
you're hold.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
On to the past that really is suffering. A suffering soul,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Oh absolutely you are. When you when you hold on
to something, I mean it there, it will actually make
you sick. It can actually make you sick. And what
it does is it influences the relationships that you're currently in.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
The correct and it's a karmic pattern that will start over.
You're enforcing that comic pattern over and over and over
again to repeat itself, and that's really what you're doing.
So you want to step back and observe it. Don't
be a part of that karma cycle. You do not
need to be a part of that pattern over and
over and over getting to break it, and by stopping
that they holding on to that stuff from that that space,
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you're continuing to live that pattern. There can be generations
and ancestors and so forth. It's a generation. All the
generations suffer because of that. Each generation sufferings do this,
and the paradox for a suffering creates in some ways,
the paradox is a sole suffering. Suffering eventually creates an
awakening because you can only take so much suffering and
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it forces us to do something. It forces a group
of people get so much hape, you got to stop
and open up. It forces everyone who's going to the
soul is suffering so much, they have to do something
about it. They got to wake up.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, it's so interesting what you just said, because
Earth seems to be that dense place that they just
take so much, so much, so much, so much, and
finally one person will stop thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The funny thing is that we have to remember that
as we we think and we wreck, we're all connected
to each other. So when you wake up, there will
be that we're all connected in some higher level, that
we're all connected as one, and we'll all it'll help
all of us.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But now this is interesting, totally talks about this. Even
when you watch the news or you give energy towards
those negative things, you're enforcing that. You're you're enforcing that
karma and you become a part of that pattern. Or
you can step back and look at it. You don't
need to be a part of that. You can break
the karma cycle of yourself. And same with forgiveness is
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something it's it's it's something you can let go of.
It's like you said, letting go and it's not it's
not that you candone the activity of someone else.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
All of a sudden you're friends again.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, we're not friend. It's just not being caught up
in it and it's what it is. And it's not
holding onto the toxic energy no matter what it is,
and breaking that cycle so you can step out of
it and wake up exactly absolutely way of waking up too.
It is and it's not papering over things. It's not
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say oh because you know we really do it your heart.
You get to really really forgive on a deep level,
not just say it, but really change. Well.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, it's so interesting, James, and I know that
you and I have both had this lesson many many times,
this forgiveness lesson, and it is a human lesson here
to have. Everybody that comes on this planet, I believe,
will have the opportunity to understand forgiveness or to have
forgiveness for another, because this is a tough place to be.
And I think you take advantage.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
About what you just said.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
It's for everyone, that's for yourself everyone. You inspire you
and you influence the tapestry. You influence everyone by your
active forgiveness. You're showing that possibility is there and you
put that energy out there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's very true.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yes, And how I've the lens that I use
when I've had some really abusive situations in my life.
The lens that I use is and it's taken me
a long time to get there. It's not like this
was an overnight I forgive you know, I mean, it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Wasn't about experiences, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
A lot of life experiences.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well you too, and mine were rough and yours.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Were rough, flying across the room and.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You know, oh yeah that's true. Yeah, I know I've
had a lot of that. Yeah, I've heard a lot
of stuff It's an interesting read, a lot of stuff.
But what I was thinking about with abuse and being
an abusive relationships and for people that have been in
abusive relationships, how I was able to come to a
place of of forgiveness for myself was I use the
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lens of what a great teacher this person was in
my life. This person was a great teacher because because
I've known so much abuse now, because of the abusive
situation I was in, there is not one soul that
I can look in the eyes that I'm not going
to recognize abuse, and I'll recognize it immediately, just like
I recognize personality disorders and forgiveness it goes with that.
It's because I had all of the experiences of it,
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and I think those were the big key teachers.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
In my life. It's true, It's true from your book
exactly right. You recognize people. I want to go on
to Jack Hornfilk talks about and the principle for forgiveness
is start to feel that it's not compassionate for yourself,
that you have the great you have this great suffering
that's not your own best interest. So you actually sense
the weight of it. You get the weight of not
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forgiving to hold on to that, and the reflects the
benefits of a And this is really interesting talking about
the loving heart and forgiveness comes from a loving heart.
And we'll just talk about that.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Your dream becomes sweeter, you waken more easily, men will
love you, and they say animals come closer to you.
And I believe this because it's believe that too out there. Fourth,
when it is discovered that it is not necessary to
be loyal to your suffering.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Oh, James, would you repeat that.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yes, I will for everyone discover that it is not
necessary to be loyal to your suffering.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
This is a big one.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's huge.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We are so loyal to our suffering. Focusing on the
trauma and the betrayal of what happened to me, Yes,
it happened. It was horrible. But is that what defines
you right on?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Right on? Because and then I take that a step
further back, Jams and I say, everybody on this planet
will be betrayed at some point. Yeah, it's part of
the human experience.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
The human experience is part of those experiences, and it's
what you do with it that matters. Right. This is
interesting is look at the Dilama who bears a weight
of oppression into bet and the loss of his culture,
and yet he's also a very happy and joyful person.
He says, they have taken so much. They have destroyed temples,
burned our texts, disrupt their monks and nons, limited our
culture and destroyed it in so many ways. Why should
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I also let them take my joy and peace of mind?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Wow? All right, that's so true. I love that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, you're giving away that joy, that piece of you
are loving souls, that's who we are. Don't do that
to your loving soul. Right. I understand that forgiveness is
a process. This is really important. It takes time. Yes, loss,
You've got to grieve the way things happened. You got
to grieve the situation. Your life is different now, you know,
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maybe you're not speaking to that person or what that
situation involved. So it's a process. You don't do it overnight.
There's a grief and Elizabeth coopleer Ross, you know, steps
and grieving, five stages of grief, anger and all of it.
So it's a process. This is a funny one, he says.
There's a story of a man who wrote to the
I R S. I have been able to sleep knowing
that I cheated on my taxes since I failed to
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fully disclosed my earnings last year on my return, I've
been closed a check for two thousand dollars. If I
still can't sleep, us on the rest. So it's a train,
and it's layers, you know, layer by layer, you have
to take this stuff off, and that's okay. It's just
a process of your beginning it. And I guarantee the
more you let go and you go those layers and
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your intention is to let release it and not suffering more,
your life will change because you're opening that space up
for energy for you to expand yourself in so many ways,
and it's your life will be easier.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, you know, it's so interesting, James, and I'll just
I'll tell this story briefly. But I had a very
challenging father. So I know you had family members that
were challenging, you know, and all of us who have
a family, we all have somebody that's challenging. And in
my case, I had a very challenging father, very challenging,
and it was drugs and alcohol and it was I
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was always just triggered by him constantly. So when he
was dying, I actually received a call from both of
my brothers and they said, you know Dad is coming,
you know call Dad is dying, and so are you
going to come and be with us? I said, well,
how much longer do we have? Is it like an hour?
Is it like two days? Because I knew I would
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be triggered, and I knew I was carrying and harboring
this anger, this frustration and this anger. It was awful.
And I went and it was four days, and then
there was the airport got closed down. It was two
bore days. I thought, I'm never going to get out
of here. Was just and then the weirdest thing happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
James.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I get back to La he passes away, and I
felt nothing but love. I don't know how to explain it.
I felt this relief, this just a release and a relief,
and I felt nothing but love there. And to this
day that's all I can when I think of him,
That's what I think of. I think of some of
the other things and I go And I don't know
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how I was able to get to that place, to
this day, I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, And how do we get to the feeling of
like forgiving someone like and market stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
How can we do that with our ways?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Well, really, the first thing is understanding. So first of all,
the compassionate with yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
The person that you're working with are people that maybe
the family that hurt you, that they might be asleep.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yes, they're limited.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You don't have any idea they hurt you. They didn't
need to, and you have to have enough compassions where
they're in a different space. My sister just passed over
and that's why I was thinking of this horrend The
stuff to me and people think, wow, amazing, but I
had to forget her because she didn't know any better.
She didn't know any better. I was doing one of
my guard months and I said to my sister and
she was in the spirit, and I said, you love
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these beautile flowers And she said, James, I'm so sorry
I wasn't able to see beauty in this lifetime.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And that made me feel really sad. So I felt
empathy for that, for the family member and for party,
because they're not awake, and not that I'm better or worse.
I'm more aware. I'm more because I'm awake. I'm awake
of every moment. But you're hoping you can't. The why
is like and you talk about how you don't want
to hold on to it, I make it so important.
You don't want to It doesn't define you, right, And
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you don't need to suffer. That's really really important. You
don't need to suffer. And the family member may not
be in the way the space that you are. They
might be asleep, they might not even know. And I'm
sure there are a lot of people that hurt us.
You know, a lot of people have hurt us, and
you've hurt all of us, have hurt people. You've hurt
people without even knowing it. And how do you think
they would feel? You know, and you realize even hurt them,
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you had no idea about it. So we've got to.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Be more compassionate about that and realize and empathetic. It's
a good lesson in empathy because I'm all connected to it,
and we're going to hold on to that grudge and
hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
To that energy. It's not good for the rest of
the people. It's not.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's really not. It's not good to hold on to it.
But you know, one thing is that you can do
with forgiveness.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Okay, I just want to go back to that which
I love, you know, and the Jesus and the Cross.
Forgive them for they know not what they do. Yes,
and really, but that means in those days the even
say that, but now we would say they're unconscious. They
have no idea what they did, So forgive them for them.
I don't know what they do, and all family members
have that. They don't care. You know, they don't know
what they're doing. And you can preach them, but they
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might not hear you. So to them.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So the other thing that I do James too, is
I'll look at a soul and I'll say, after you know,
a rough experience, oh they not only are they limited,
but they'll be coming back. They'll be coming back.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And if you don't forgive them, you're part of that
Karmac cycle. Oh well that's a reason.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, that's a reason.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's another reason to forgive them. Because you don't make
part of it, you don't have that cycle to continue,
and the patterns continue in other lifetimes and they will,
so you need to break free.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So it's a freedom for your own soul. It's a
gift to give yourself. It's a healing, it's a medicine
you give yourself so true.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Another point Team makes is I'm just set your intention.
There's a whole complex and profound, cheating Buddha psychology for
the power of both short term and long term intention.
When you set your intention, it sets the compass of
your heart and your psyche. I love that you have
that intention. You make obstacles become surmountable because you know
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where you are going, whether there's business, a relationship or love,
affair of creative activity, or in the work. So it's
a compass of the heart. And setting your intention is
really important and powerful. I love that, Okay, right? And
another one seven learn the inner and outer forms of forgiveness,
so meditative practices for the inner forms. So I actually
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wrote a course Forgive the Unforgivable, which is all about
this and how to forgive the inside and in the outside.
And the Renee has a graphic for that. Yeah, that's
my school page, James.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
That's such a great class.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Great class. That's an easy press. But it opens you up,
it reminds you. It just it opens you up to
all the possibilities and why forgiveness is so very important.
It'll change your life. Forgive us to change your life.
It may be more empathetic for people always. I understand,
and I don't feel sorry, but I get that they
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just I was so interesting. I was reading my dishes
one day and I heard always say about neighbor here
and neighbors, and I said, what's going on with these people?
And they said, they don't have any life skills, James.
These people are living without life skills. I love that.
But that's certain people all here together, mishmash of older
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people knowing better than anybody else or worse than We've
got to do it together. So do the best you can,
right right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But if anybody is having trouble with forgiveness as classes,
that's incredible for that to help you with that.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Forgiveness includes all the dimensions of our life. Forgiveness is
work of the body, it's work of the emotions, it's
worked for the mind, and it's interpersonal work done through
our relationships. What affects every single area of our lives.
One person you forgive or a situation, but it'll affect
every other area of your life. It's also because the
energy is being freed up.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I remember Kelly Mays Patilla England. She would say, I
remember We worked once at a make institute in New
York and she was doing reading for this man of
soul reading and she got to his heart and she said, oh,
I see you have been You've been stained in the
past life and your heart was stained. And I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I love that. I remember that. She said that I
was there.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, forgive, and that person didn't forgive that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Your heart was stained.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Your heart was stained, so it remains. There's an imprint.
That's why it's very important for all of us.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
She was so wise, so much wisdom that one.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Forgive us evolved the shift of identity in us. It's
under the undying capacity for love and freedom that is
untouched by what happens to you.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Let me read this is a really important one. Forgiveness
involves a shift of identity. There is in all of
us an undying capacity for love and freedom. It's part
of ours soul, and that is untouched by what happens
to you.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So you're not what had happened to you. It didn't
happen to you. You're not that. You're bigger than that.
Your love is greater than that, just a very small
incident of your greatness. So what it pays so much
attention that tiny little incident, when with so much greater
than that, We are much greater than that to come
back to this true nature. When we forgive, we come
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back to the true nature of being, a true nature
of love and expression. And then one more thing, Kelly,
is the left point of making forgive us involves perspective.
We are in this drama in life that is much
bigger than our little stories. When we can open the perspective,
we see it not just your hurt, but the hurt
of humanity. Just like we talked about, everyone who loves
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is hurt in some way. Everyone who enters a marketplace
gets betrayed. There you go, Kelly, the loss is not
just your pain, is a pain of being alive. Then
you feel connected to everyone in this vastness.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, yes, yes, I love that so true. And you know,
as we also know, nothing goes unseen. So in the
times of being abused in some horrible things that happened,
if you think they miss it, on the other side,
they didn't. There will be life reviews that will cover
all of this. And that's another way to maybe open
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the door to understanding or forgiveness or compassion or empathy.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Well, when I worked with doctor Brian Myce's Past Life Progression,
I remember some wonderful things he'd be taught. One of
the things he mentioned quite a bit was in that
life past life regression was that we all, and I've
heard from spirit as you have, we all go through
a life review. And what a life review is is
when you are on the other side and you really
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live the life you just had. From an objective point
of view, you're watching. You're the judge in jury. There
is no God that goes you go. You're there, there there,
you judge yourself and you see all the tests that
you pass, the lessons that you passed, and the ones
you did not. And it's very interesting. But one thing
you told me so I was stuck into my head.
And I always use this example where I'm saying, you
go to a store and you're in a bad mood
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and you yelled.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Let's see a clerk who gets really upset and yells
at a coworker, the co workers upset and goes home
to the family and yells at a family member and
somebod else yells.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
That goes and that energy continues on. When you go
and have your life review, It won't be the grandiose
events that happened in your life. It will be those
little ones like when you yelled at the clerk. You'll
feel it from his or her point of view ten times,
twenty times, thirty times stronger than when you gave it out.
You'll feel what you created. And then then you'll feel
how that passed on to the other person and now
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the other in the rippling effect that energy had, that
positive and negative, and how it was amplified and I
will continued out and rippled all through the experiences. Wow,
isn't that something that's wake up quote everybody you know?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You don't want to relive those negative things?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
No you doing here?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Imagine when you're in an eternity where there's no time
adds in your head forever and ever ever ever to
forgive yourself easy to forgive yourself here than over there. Yeah, right,
absolutely find up before you leave here.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Please please, this I've got to read. This is from
Sherry Abdu. She says, can forgiving years of abuse without
direct contact to the individual enough to free you and
them of the weight of the abuse of energy? Is
there a way to free the mind from the memories. Yeah, sheharey,
there is a way, but yes, can forgiving years of
abuse without direct contact. Oh absolutely, You do not have
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to have direct contact, not in the least, not in
the least, please, Oh God, that would only be torture,
not going to happen. But is there a way to
free the mind from the memories. Yes. One of the
ways to do that is to have a somatic experienced
therapist because a lot of the abuse and the traumas
are stored in the body, So that would be a
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great place to start if you are going down that road.
A somatic therapy. Trauma Healing dot org is a great
place to find. A somatic therapist would really help free
that up.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, because that that trauma stays the body and you
have to free that up and you get again in
perspective again, you train perspective, and that you're not the abuse.
You're not that right, You're not. That doesn't define who
you are. You're much biggering that. That's an experience that happened.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
But don't let define who you are because it shouldn't
and you shouldn't hold on to it because that's not
your stuff, that's someone else's.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You might be the subject of that. But guess what,
it's not going to define you. But I agree with Kelly.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
You have to open up in the physical, mental, spiritual,
emotional levels and heal it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But don't hold on to that.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But don't hold on to it takes some action here.
This is a great time to take some action on forgiveness.
What an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You're healing.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Absolutely First, the first you know, awareness, The first step
of of healing is awareness, being aware of it right and.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Not judging it. No, aware, not judge. Judge is fear based. Right,
awareness is healing.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So this is from Mary Snyder. She said, I'm learning
to forgive, but I can't forget. I understand, Mary, that's
it's I'm not saying. You know you're gonna forget everything.
She said, I cannot get hurt again. Is this wrong? No,
I understand that you don't want to get hurt again.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I get that you don't get hurt again. But again, again,
it when you're forgive it to be heartfelt about it.
But you're smarter, so the soul learns a different way.
I learned a lot, You learned a lot in the
relationship of that. Again, you'll be aware of the warning signs,
but the red flags flags staining. The inprint is right,
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the more energy you give to it, the more you're
living it. So don't give it that much energy because
you want to be aware of it and next time
it'll it's I always say, a soul learns.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
You know, as Kelly writes in her book, there's no
going back. Once you've seen something, you can't go back, go.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Back and go back. So you know, like we know
that as a grand children the red lightnings stop, green
means go nowadays and on what it is, but red,
I'm agree. So once you've learned that, you can't unlearned things.
You can't unlearn things, right.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, So Kyle Hodges just bought your course on forgiving. Great, Kyle,
I think I gonna love it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
It's a good course. I'd love to hear your feedback
on that.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, there was a lot of we're.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Talking about here and then some exercises and so forth.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, oh my gosh, wow, James. And you know there
are so many benefits too forgiving. There's so many benefits
to this, and we were just talking about, I mean,
you can have healthier relationships, it can improve your mental health, age, anxiety,
and stress.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And hostility energetically opens up the space and more things
that happen in your life more exciting, more spontaneity, more
sink lifts.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Up depression because often if you're you know, you don't
even may not even be aware that you you've got
a low level vibration because you've been heard or abused
or something, and you just can't let it go. But
what's the point of whole mean on to it? Really
is time? Time goes really fast. Have you noticed that
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it goes fast?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh? I said that only three times today?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
And oh did you It's like ziph.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's like zips. I mean it really is. It's so fast.
I mean it is so fast. And I find that
a lot of being around a lot of people now
and maybe because of the pandemic, but and also someone retired,
haven't been out a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
But well, and you were just yeah, i'll talk about
out in amongst and.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Then yes, this weekend was like wow, leaned against the
building or set with the dog, and I was just
fine because it was a lot. There was a lot
of simulation. I didn't need it. I didn't you know.
The funny thing was it was a mixed a trip
because I went to go see my old apartments that
I used to live in when I first was in
LA and I visited them and that was fun.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That was really kind of fun. See where I've come
from where once it's it's interesting to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
But I think it's amazing that you did that.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
It's amazing. And I had a great apartment. It was
tolly boy.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Now, I was like, was that the picture you sent me?
It was beautiful?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yes, yes, yes, beautiful, simple apartment, but it was nice. Yeah,
it was great. You know, it's always great. I think
we have to gosh. I think it's up to us
to find more joy every day in our lives. And
it's up to us to do that, and we hold
on the things it can forgive. It blocks that joy,
you know, Yes, it's just existing, you know, fully living.
So again, there are things that we've done in our
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lives that we're not proud of, and we didn't mean to.
I'm sure if that person or maybe were hurting a
certain way. Listen, I forgave some people that had really
bad stuff to me my TV show. But I forget
that because just tell you I was I hired these
two producers. You got executucers for the show and a
couple and I hired the executive producers and the show
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Jennifer Love and I went out and made the show
very successful, like a year of two marketing very and
the third year in the budget they wanted to cut
me out.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Of the cut you then you're the one that brought
it to the table.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
That's I'm the one. I'm the one that hired them.
So I said, well, that can happen because I hired you,
and we've got to have budget, Like I don't think so,
so let's moon as a CBS told them, we know
what happened to him. He runs the show. But I
was like angry at first that you know what, they
don't know any better. They don't know any better. And
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I was very happy I wasn't in that cutthroat world.
You know, don't even dog because but weren't you?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Were you reasonful?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No? I think maybe because I was. I was around
so long and that Hollywood thing I had around TV
show and I dealt with crazy there, and you know,
I dealt with a lot of crazy in the guest spots.
I was in all these different TV shows, and the
egos and all this stuff, and it was just it's
it's it's a spirituality and it's just mutually exclusive. Yeah,
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it's really just a weird. But I forget them because
again they didn't know any better. They didn't know any better.
And I mean I'd be on the set and I'd
be like, why is this person doing that? Why am
not saying that?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
And you know, like the guy that came that met
me and recognized me, Mike at the very beginning this weekend,
he said, you know, James, I didn't know anything I
would I do with this life is nothing about what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
He said, you know, I always remember you were fun.
You're a really nice guy. I thought myself, a genuine thought.
I'm glad that I left that Infrint right, because yeah,
that's a successful life if you look back, if she
does with grace and happiness and joy, and I think
that's a good life. You don't want to know one
thing about forgiveness. You don't want to pass over if
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you haven't forgiven someone deeply. You figure at the higher levels,
of course, but you got to really fill it within
your heart. Now they don't know what they did. You know,
it's the best way to live I guarantee, and of
course about this, but yeah, forgiving people what the highest
virtues there is.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's the highest actually, so Joe Meagan B. And this
is a tough one to read, but she said, my
nephew was brutally murdered. The murderer never took responsibility, even
though there were mounds of evidence against him. How is
forgiveness possible? Actually, in my book I discussed the case James,
you haven't gotten there yet a case similar to this
that I was dealing with.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Kelly.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, is from Joe Megan B. She said, my nephew
was brutally murdered. The murderer never took responsibility, even though
there were mounds of evidence against him. How is forgiveness possible?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Okay, so let's take it. Let's take this one step
of time. It really murdered. Is a horrendous thing, horrendous physical,
human laws, horrendous. The murder never took responsibly because they
were incapable of it. They weren't capable of that. They
were they weren't They know what that means, because they
might think of the most horrible thing in the world.
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They don't want to deal with the Kelly Younimore is
than I do this.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean, so a couple of things here. I
remember Mavis Patilla, So what somebody who does that, I mean,
is a like a psychopath? I mean yeah, I mean
really really, And Mayvis she used to say, taught us
that the soul doesn't really even connect into the body.
Remember when she would say that, you know, the soul
wouldn't connect into the body. So she would say, you
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pray for the soul because the soul is not in
the body. Because you think, how in the world can
somebody do something like that if there was a consciousness
and there's no consciousness.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Obviously that person is unconscious and sleepwalk completely completely.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And the other thing to know is this that when
they do that live review, and that soul will do
a live review, there will be that soul will feel
every single thing that he did to your nephew and
everything to the family and to all the family members.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
So it's a it's a tough one. It's a tough one. Tough.
It's an advanced course.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, I love that, James, an advanced course.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I mean, the same thing happened with so I often say,
and that's horrible, and I mean to diminish it at all.
But I always we're not able to forgive someone that
we're putting ourselves down on that level.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Oh, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Down to the level you want to rise up and
be higher. I remember I've talked about this before in
the show, and I love this example. Number one. I
just want to back, your nephew is not dead. It
was very very alive. So that was played out, but
alive and happy. That's really important to know that. So
don't place your mind on he's dead. He's not dead, Okay,
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and it was a bad thing, but it is more
to your nephew than that time. He was murdered once,
but he had lay many lives many many years before
that that we should look at and be happy with, right.
I remember, I wanted to read for someone and to
talk about this one where the boy came through to
his parents and a drunk driver killed him. And this
does just happened to a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It just happened. We just talked about that today.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Ron. Yeah, Ron's yeah, Ron's cousin. I think it was
right nice. And the son came through to his mother
and father in the audience and he said, mom and dad,
and there's a cloud of depression around and it all
happened with course parents. Of course, I think it's one
of the hardest lessons on earth. And the son is
something very interesting. He said. You know, the man I lived,
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I died, but he goes. You know, I've forgiven him,
Mom and Dad. When are you going to forgive? That's
the right to do. You don't know his background, You
don't know what a comicle was on here. There are
other things you don't know. So that's the best thing
to please forgiven might.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Have Yeah, Cindy said, I just sorted the course I needed. Yeah, good, good.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Cindy, to freeze things up.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
If Laurie Maurice goes, there are always circumstances or soul
lessons behind these strategies we may never understand as Yes,
that's why we're on the planet.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Very true, right on, Laurie, Thank you for saying that.
Joe Sunderlande says, does the act of journaling help to
forgive the abuser? Yes, just yeah, absolutely, And just as
that person was where he was at the time, all
I could do was the best I could for who
I was at the time. They don't want to carry
this stuff to the other side. Good for you. Yes,
And by the way, we're always growing and learning and changing.
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But now as you were not the same person you
were I was, I'm not the same person I was
twenty years ago.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I my book Talking to Heaven. I mean, the idea
how a suicide is very different now than I had
that in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
But I still love this book. I love this one.
I'd read you the chapter of suicide now, for sure,
But you did talk about twenty twenty in that book.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I didn't under.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
The suicide chapter. I found it and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
About the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, about the pandemic. It was so wild. Let's see, okay, enlightenment.
I try to forgive someone, but every time when I
try to forgive someone, I keep getting flashback of what
they did to me. I understand that, honey. I try meditation,
it doesn't I try talking to someone, it doesn't work.
Here's what you need to do. And in this particular case,
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you're getting the flashbacks, you really need a somatic therapist
because a somatic therapist will help you release the trauma
and the energy of the flashback. Because that's PTSD and
that really does need to be released. So you really
need a good psychologist. Are a good psychotherapist for that?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Just look at that Renee. Thank you, Catherine. You order
the course, mon, we can't find access to it. Yes,
go to support at Vaanprague dot com or the thread
on the school page there the support at the bottom,
and we look at those tickets every day, every single
day we look at those and they're called support tickets.
So please do that now and we'll figure it out
right away. Actually, one of my workers, my staff members
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are on the call right here, so they'll look it up.
But I'll remind them tomorrow, but definitely there. Just go
to the JDP school, discore up support and we get
right on it. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
This was from Doreen Ferrebou. She says, I have a
brother that wronged me for years. I forgave him, but
he treats me badly. My sister only believes him. Now
I feel that forgiveness was wasted. I feel free of
them when I forgave, so I felt free of them. Okay,
so you did forgive them. I mean he's listen, family again,
family dynamics. There's something else, but I'm glad that you
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were able to forgive them.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna say something I had
to forgive we. I'm gonna say very bookly, which I
said one during virtue.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, it's a story there.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
When she decided that she was going to be a
Christian and like the New Age and all those Oracle cards,
and then millions of people that hurt were hurt by that,
that really destroyed me. I just literally remember literally it's
pretty radical part of it. It really was hard for
me to forgive her.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
And I wrote her a letter and it was a
good letter, you know, it was pointed things out down
to earth and reel and grounded. But I felt I
really had a heart time forgiving her for all the
hurt of people.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Millions people are hurt by what are cards? All of her?
She has wisdom, I must say, she was very smart
in the cards, and she had good insights at things.
But I also think there was some I had to
forgive her because she again didn't know any better. I
think there was some mental breakdown there, and I really do.
Because you're not going to become a Christian and hate everyone.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
It doesn't make no sense.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
She hasn't known any better than that, So I say
I had to forgive her, of course, but it hurts
because of the the rippling effect of all those people
and all of us who are doing this light work
and that you know, it was just a tough one,
but I forgave her hard one. But I forgave her
because I love her for who she is. I feel
bad she's going through this, but she's got to go
through whatever she's gotta go through. But that was a
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tough one. But I forgave her, and that was that
was real hard.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
But I did, Yeah, I remember it was. It was unbelievable.
But I will say that you are a great letter writer,
and everybody should know that. I have a problem with somebody.
You put that pen and paper down and you get
that out there.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I'm a number one year Times author. Kelly. Oh, I
know your book is in good hands. I know Linda,
we'll get it there.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yay, thanks, Oh my god, it's so funny. Okay, let's
see said. Yes, oh it really is Boundberg, Australia. Hi,
Leslie Chambers from Bundeberg, Australia. I'm not sure where that is,
but wow, yeah, E M. D. R. Tracy Harbin, You
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absolutely right. That releases the trauma of flashbacks too. Yeah.
E M d R is really good too. That and
Somatic Experience is really good there. So these are all
trauma releases for PTSD. They all work really well.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
And there's something here from Julie Cole. My daughter just
had her house sage. Does saging make any difference or
just incense? She thinks she thinks she's getting rid of
bed juju. Well, I think the intention behind anything, if
that's it's petensions of love and positivity. That's what you're
putting in there. So if lighting sage and you know
(47:57):
great traditions, you sage. I love to say clear out
of space energetically yep, But it's also the slought behind that.
I do a lovely We talked about the sweeping motion
of every corner of the room and going down to
the front door and sweating up that way. But I
think hot music of a high vibration. I think putting
ourselves into a space of relaxation. But you're going to
(48:17):
do in a couple of minutes because I have I'm
going to do a meditation for us. That's right, right,
So I think that works. It does work, we should
probably do the forgiveness meditation.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
So I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
So, but this is a meditation, and Jack corn fell
again I associated in my friend of mine Colic, I
should say, brother, than I'd like to share this with
you because it's really a good one. So wherever you are,
just close your eyes and done the turn. Yes, I'm
read this too, So closing your eyes forgiveness meditation. So
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let yourself comfortably, allowing your eyes to close and your
breath to be natural and easy. Let your body and mind.
Speaker 7 (48:57):
Relaxing gently the end and the at the ebb and
the flow, and breathing now gently into the air of
your heart.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Let yourself feel all the barriers you have erected and
the emotions you have carried because you have not forgiven.
Just become aware of them. Become mindful all the barriers
you've not forgiven, yourself, not forgiven others. Let yourself feel
the pain of keeping your heart closed. Then, breathing softly,
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begin asking and extending forgiveness, reciting the following words, letting
the images and feelings that come over and come up
and grow deeper as you repeat them.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
I love you, I forgive you. I love you, I
forgive you. I love you, I forgive you.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
There are many ways that I have hurt and harmed others,
have betrayed or abandoned them, cause them suffering knowingly or unknowingly,
had a pain, fear, anger, and confusion. Let yourself remember
and visualize the ways you have hurt others. See and
feel the pain you have caused out of your own
fear and confusion, Feel your own sorrow and regret. Since that, finally,
(50:32):
you can release that burden and ask for forgiveness. Picture
each memory that still burdens your heart, and then to
each person in your mind, repeat, I ask for your forgiveness.
I ask for your forgiveness. There are many ways that
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I have hurt and harmed myself. I have betrayed or
abandoned myself many times through thought, word, or deed, knowingly
or unknowingly. Feel your own precious body and life. Let
yourself see the ways you have hurt or harmed yourself.
(51:15):
Picture them, remember them, feel the sorrow you have carried
from this one, and sense that you can release these burdens.
Extend forgiveness for each of them, one by one, and
repeat to yourself for the ways I have hurt myself
(51:37):
through action or inaction, had of fear, pain, and confusion.
I now extend a full and heartfelt forgiveness. I forgive myself.
I forgive myself. I forgive myself for those that might
have harmed you, harmed by others, abused or abandoned unknowingly
(52:01):
thought word or deed. Now let yourself pitchure and remember
these many ways you have been hurt, harmed, abused by others.
Let yourself picture remember the many ways, and once again
feel the sorrow you have carried from this past and
since that you now have the ability to release this
(52:24):
burden of pain by extending forgiveness when your heart is ready.
And now say to yourself, I now remember the many
ways others have hurt or harm me, wounded me out
of fear, pain, confusion, and anger. I have carried this
pain in my heart too long, toe to the extent
(52:47):
that I am ready, I offer them forgiveness to those
who have caused me harm. I offer my forgiveness. I
forgive you, I forgive you, I forgive you. Now that
yourself gently repeat these three directions for forgiveness. If you
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feel a release in your heart for some great pains.
You may not feel a relief, but only the burden
and the anguish or anger you have hi held onto.
Touch this softly, be forgiving to yourself for not being
ready to let go and be ready, and forgive yourself
for not being ready to let go and move on.
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Forgiveness cannot be forced, it cannot be artificial. Simply continue
to practice and let the words and images work gently
and gradually in their own way. In time, you can
make the forgiveness meditation a regular part of your life.
Letting go of the past and opening your heart to
each new moment and wise loving kindness, and very slowly,
(53:53):
very gently, take deep breath and the rest the body softly,
and become aware of the little monoss of your soul
from the inside out. Let your heart shine from the
inside out, And as you identify yourself and recognize your individuality,
(54:14):
let your heart shine forward and become moreare of the
color of the lights from your heart to the fields
around the body. The physical body is surrounded in love
from your heart. The mental body is at ease and
release of tension and trauma. For the love around the
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mental body, the emotional body feel that extra strong love
for all you've been through emotionally, You've gone through school
and tested with lessons. Were many costumes here and there,
and yet here you are so alive. A soul will
(54:57):
live forever, and for the spiritual body feeding it, Love
nurtures the soul. Let yourself shine, shine so brightly and
so enlightened and so awake that people look at you
whenever you walk into their space. Divine heavenly parent, Angels,
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guides and loved ones, we thank you for sharing the
space tonight, and may each one of us find a
place in our heart to give all those we feel
have hurt us. And so it is, and slowly feb
your eyes and be as one.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's it's a lot of healing.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Yeah, Jack Cornfeld is great. He's great because website is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
I loved the mental body and the emotional body, and
I love that it strengthens all of that.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, it's all energy and you bring that, you know.
Like I've said before, when I had that experience with
the beings that on the extraterrestrials, we called them, I guess,
and they said, we do not understand the humans. You
have the energy of love all around you, yet you
don't use it. Why is that because we caught up
in the head instead of the heart. The heart has
(56:18):
no time, The heart has no conditions. It's not condition
of love, right, but the head has conditions. And lived
from it and from your book to Kelly A heart
out lift the heart out heart.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Everybody is loving those James. They're all thanking you.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Welcome.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Brenda said, I was really upset about Duren too.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Thanks for bringing that now I had because it was
a major forgiveness part of my life because I was
with her for a long time and I've seen changes
and you know, yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Oky Man said. I pictured a large black rock lump
something oh that I laid down I removed from my
heart shock and laid it down in the meditation.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
Wow, and then you open up that space and now
your heart's explaence more love and then more love come
in your life. Once you look over that old stuff,
it's like cleaning out a room. You're opening it up
to experience more things.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
And you don't need saves and.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
You don't need but you could use this.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Oh yeah, let's seem yeah there, hold on, I'll show
you to you.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Oh is she's so sweet? Look at those eyes, James,
her eyes as blue as they look.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Are you as lovely as ever? Because she times when
her sleeping.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Oh she's so sweet. Oh my gosh, oh honey. Well,
thank you everybody, Thank you James. That was just wonderful,
very welcome. All right, everybody, We'll see you next week.
Say here a good.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
Week, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Thanks for joining us today. On both sides, Now and beyond,
your hosts, James Van Prague and Kelly White, are dedicated
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aiming to guide you on a path of self discovery
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