Headhunters

This week we recap what was an altogether expected outcome in Atlanta with the Hokies showing solid effort and inconsistent play en route to a 35-20 loss to Georgia Tech. We then open up the mics and let our listeners get off their takes on who they want as the next head coach in Blacksburg.

Episode Transcript

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And welcome back to the BoundaryCorner podcast along with my
partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley, and a returning
Shelton Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and as
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It is Monday. Y'all, we, we, we all had some
conflicting things going on between things outside, then
normal work, then baseball and other crap.
So we are on a Monday night. How's everybody doing?
Man, it's it's been a little bitof overcast, a little rainy, a

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little windy the last couple days hadn't been able to get
outside like I quite wanted to. But I think things are shaping
up a little bit better tomorrow.We'll see how it goes, but I'm
excited to be here tonight. Excited to see what what some of
the fans out there have to say about this head coaching
situation as we break that down.But obviously we got to we got
to tell the truth about Georgia Tech first, guys.

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No, we really don't have to tellthe truth about.
We can skip it. We already know what the truth
is. I am excited to hear what
everybody has to say. Not that it's going to make a
difference. We just talking.
I mean, they're going to do whatthey want to do anyway.
But I'm excited to hear what everybody has to say about the
coaching because there has been a lot of keyboarding about

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tweets and who should and who shouldn't.
And that's a dumb idea. So you do have your opportunity
today to come on and let us knowwhy it is a good idea or why it
isn't a good idea to hire Blank shelter.
How are you buddy? I'm good, man.
I've been been very busy, but, you know, still, still getting

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on the hoagies. I was at a wedding on Saturday.
So, you know, I didn't, I didn'twatch the game, obviously, but
it was kind of nice to sort of, you know, get away from football
and especially with the way the season's been going, just kind
of, you know, get away from it and be with be with my friends
and all that good stuff. So I'm, I'm a happy guy.
Yeah. Saturday I watched the first
quarter and then one of my wife's colleague lives out up in

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Montpelier. If everybody knows where that
is, a little southeastern, southwestern Hanover County, not
a nice little spread. They do a huge camp out every
year, like in their backyard. They got about let's say about 3
acres. So they have people camp out,
party, drinking. They had a pizza, a pizza truck
there just making stonefire pizzas.

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So had some beers, shout out Ryan, fellow hokey there got to
chat with him all about it and some of the other stuff going
on. One of my wife's colleagues,
husband's graduate 19901990 so old school he said we sucked
when we were in football there. Looks like it hadn't changed
much, but in reality it had. And you know, he talked about

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going I mean, yeah, he was straight up he said I went to
the the I went to the national championship at Sugar Bowl.
He had one of his best friends. I went to Tulane and stayed in
New Orleans. So it was also me and him share
stories back and forth. Really cool.
But Tally, we do got to tell thetruth first.
Then we're going to get one other piece of news and then we
are going to open it up to everybody.

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So I'm going to put that in the chat in just a few minutes.
But let's talk about Saturday afternoon.
I watch the 1st for it and watchthe rest of it on Sunday
morning. And and I'm going to say this
and it's I think Tally, you mentioned it last week, Philip
Montgomery has yet to lose this team.
They are not quitting. They are playing extremely hard.

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That's one of the things that went well on Saturday.
Like because it I mean, after, after that start in that first
quarter, I mean that game could have been like 42 nothing and it
wouldn't have dropped anybody onthis.
Yeah, I mean, you had, you know,you got punched in the mouth
real quick on defense. You had your your quarterback

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getting nicked up pretty early, you know, late in the late in
the early drive. And I think there was a lot of
opportunities for the wheels to completely fall off of that
game. And they didn't to the point
where, you know, late in the second-half you're you're
potentially driving to make it aone score game and you know, get
get into a situation where you can maybe let your defense get

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the ball back and see what the hell happens.
But unfortunately, that's not how it played out.
The the Yellow Jackets ended up still hanging on to the cover
because of the decision to go for two for whatever reason.
But you know what, I did like the fight.
They they definitely did not quit and they they fought hard
to the end despite really getting kind of controlled and

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handled for four quarters. Yeah, it was.
What was that about, Wow? What was going on in the game?
You. Talking about the two.
Points. Yeah, they're going for two.
I think I think they were just trying to I think they were
trying to hit the kill shot early.
Like they felt like if they got a touchdown in two, we were

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going to be dead. I think us going for the two
tally. I think Montgomery knew the
defense was going to give up more and he was trying to steal
a couple points because my. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I kind of what you guys have already been talking about, I
mean, when you say what went well, I just, I can't say enough
about the kids just playing likejust not giving up, you know,

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going into games kind of knowingwhat the situation is.
And again, every fan, you know, man, we could have won that.
We, we should have, what did this?
We could have did this different.
Like we're down kids, you know what I'm saying?
We're down a lot of players, me and kids, whatever we call them.
Not an excuse, but it's just we have fired a coach.

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People's hit the portal, people's hurt.
You know, I think we are 5 defensive starters down maybe,
maybe 6-7 in the 2 deep that we thought would be contributing,
not playing. Some things like that, man.
It's kind of taking a toll on what we're doing.
We'll get into what didn't go well, you know, But when we talk

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about what went well, I will continue to say that they're
fighting, they're not giving up.They're at least competing in
these games and not just taking a 42 to 0 beating because
against Old Dominion we gave up and it was bad.
So I haven't seen, I haven't seen too much of that going on

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in these games. So shout out to the to the guys
out there playing. Shelton yeah, I mean, you know,
obviously I didn't watch, I watched the condensed game.
I I look this sad, so don't act like I know what I'm talking
about, but it's it certainly seemed like, you know, we did a
lot of good things in the run game.
I mean, look at our success rates.

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I think we had like 6.8 yards per rush and that includes sacks
as well. So that was good.
But you know, we kind of got gashed on the D line.
So and I kind of mixed bag. I mean, we just, you know, lost
to a better team. We're talented team.
They're top 15 team in the country for a reason.
So I don't know, kind of just take your lumps and move on.
Yeah, I'll, I'll say one other thing because you talk about the
run game. We're showing now that they're I

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think we're more fully versed inMonty system now, like some of
the wide receivers are getting to show out like Heath and Green
have shown showed out on Saturday.
You mentioned already the rush and Hawkins had a really good
game. So there is, it's not like the
cupboard is completely bare, at least on offense, the defense.
It's just it feels like it's getting less and less every

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week. And, and, and I don't, I don't
know if that matters or not for next year, but there are some
kids that you could see someone walking in and saying like, now
you can't leave. You are going to be my number
one guy. So there's what I can go with.
Let's go to what was bad And thethe start was just brutal.

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I mean, they just deal with theywanted the first two drives.
It wasn't even a question. And that sucked.
These are things that happen when you cannot get a pass rush
and like 3 of your best cover guys are either injured or in
the portal. Yeah, yeah, very true.

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I mean, it's just so much to sayand not say, but like, like
Brian just alluded to, when you can't get home and you got
people in the portal that's supposed to be playing or hurt,
it's hard to it's hard to to make plays and make stuff happen

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now. But I will say you can kind of
control that. We did not do a good job of I'll
leave it to the chat. I'll leave it to you guys.
We had some bull crap going on with these referees not saying
this. Is the reason.
We lost, but the undisciplined crap that's just uncalled for,

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you know, all of the false starts and jumping off sides and
you know, penalties. They they started that game and
said we want Georgia Tech to win.
Let's. Find a way to win.
I mean for real and. It was, it was clear the one
play that it was clear on the holes and stuff.
Like we all know that's ticky tack.

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Some of them are obvious, like you didn't call it, but the key
hit that was clear that he hit him out of bounds and then he
targeted and then he just. I think the one that got me the
most out of the, not the most, but one of the calls, I think it
may have been on one of the longruns.
I know it was on one of the longruns that they had, but I can't

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remember who it was or where we was at.
But somebody was in the backfield.
I think it was Spencer and the guy like grabbed him by his
shoulder pass and tried to tackle it like he was running
the ball and it was no holding call in the I mean, right in
front of the ref. And I'm just like, well, that's
what happens when you're a losing team, You know, you not
don't get that call. So all kinds of holes.

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You know, that is what it is. So I digress.
Yeah, it's one of those things where you know you're already
going into a hostile environment, so you're going to
get some home cooking anyway. They're the ranked team.
So whether obvious or not, there's probably going to be
some, some inherent there. It's just, it's one of those

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things where I, I think the ACC officiating overall has been his
poor, regardless of whether Virginia Tech's in a factor
here. This goes back for many years
and was probably most apparent last year, but I think is is is
rearing its ugly head again thisyear.
So the officiating, the ACC in general is just awful in the in,

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you know, in this case, I think Virginia Tech was on the wrong
side of most of the calls on Saturday.
Not that it impacted the outcomeof the game, but it certainly
was a frustrating thing to deal with through the course of it.
And we got Tenacious B in the chat.
Put up his put up his his his troll there.
Oh tenacious B Thank you buddy for coming to the chat and and

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and letting us know this man. It hurt our feelings so bad.
We don't fucking care. We already know this dude.
If you listen to what we saying,we didn't say we lost because of
the rails. We said we lost because we ain't
got no fucking coach. Half of our team is in the
portal and we played a top 15 team.
That ain't that great to be honest with you.
When y'all play somebody who's worth a shit, you going to

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fucking lose too to be honest with you.
So come on man, we here for the trolling.
We like it. We know what we get.
We also. Need people to listen right?
I'm. Glad you.
I'm glad you're feeling good. I'm glad you're feeling good.
I'm glad your team or maybe not your team or your brother in We

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know what we are, my friend. So hey, thank you for joining
the show. If you can find a coach to help
us not be asked, we're going to put up a link here in just a
little bit and you can come on here and tell us how asked we
are or how a coach can help us not be asked.
Thank you to Nation's beat. Sorry, I'll.
Go oh man. All right.

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The other thing also the what went bad?
I want to talk about this one because this did set up their
second touchdown. How the hell are you going to do
the opposite punt thing? And no motherfucking body on the
special teams understand where they supposed to go.
No two people understood, just the rest of the fucking.

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Team Well 2 * 11 team. Did you see that place even?
Even the cameraman didn't know where the ball was at, no.
He didn't because because half our teams run in the other
direction, They're following, they're following the coverage
unit, they're not following the ball.
How do you not locate the ball? How do you not know where to

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ball? I don't know man.
Now that was. Like.
That, that was just that one play and I'm sitting here
watching it and they don't say, oh, oh, they kicked it opposite.
Oh no, exactly. There's nobody up there to
actually tackle. No, I mean, that's a, that's a

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good, that's a good assessment. That's what it's Wits fault.
It's all with everything we've. Got with.
All right, last piece I got to say is my man Tally texted me
Tally the unnecessary sacks because Tally is texting just F
bombs off the hand. Just like throw the ball away,
don't take the sack power, don'ttake unnecessary.

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You get out of the when you get out of the and Kyra is my guy.
I got Kyra's shirt on right now.Shout out to Kyra when you get
out of the tackle box, just throw it away.
Don't give them a sack to get them hyped up at the beginning
of the game. So I don't know, man, Just no
situational awareness. Is it any coaching on the

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sideline when we do stupid shit?I don't know, you know, I don't
know what's going on, but I knowhe.
Almost got rid of that one wherehe went to Mahomes full full
horizontal but he couldn't quiteget it to the line of scrimmage
just about. Any anything else that what went
bad, it stuck out. I'm trying to roll through it.

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We saw I. Mean the big, the big one was
just, you know, Haynes King being unstoppable.
And again, I already kind of talked about a little bit, I
mean, when you can't rush the passer because you're missing
what, three of your, your, your,your top pass rushers at this
point. And then you, you roll back and
you got three of your best coverguys out for one reason or
another, it's going to take a toll on you.
And we're starting to see quarterback efficiency go way

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the fuck up against us. And that's that's the reason why
when a, when a quarterback has time and you can't cover for
very long, they're going to complete a lot of fucking passes
and. He did, yeah.
And I'll also say, I'll also sayI got the set wrong.
Our our yards per rush was 6.7 adjusted for sacks, 5.5 just,
you know, regular because for some reason college still

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includes sack yards and rushes. But 6.4 yards rush allowed, that
is not good. And, and from what I saw in the
condensed game, we were just getting bulldozed in the
interior, just, you know, take taken out of the play, you know,
cut out. So that was not, that was not
good. Yeah, yeah. 6.4, yeah. 6.4.

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They went almost 500 total yards, not good at all.
And, and here's what I'll say isand, and, and I don't know if
we're going to put this bid bad or indifferent.
We'll, we'll kind of start closing it out here.
I got really tell them you got to tell me a website that counts
it better because me going through the thing and being like
123, we were in 24 plays in the first half, 2424 plays, not

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counting punts, kickoff returns,a 24 offensive place and we
split it down the middle pass torushing.
Yeah, we're not going to win a lot of games if you go ass
backwards with what you do. Well, because I think with the
Doug Bowman the day had the statlike we were one of the best
rushing teams, like what, 25th in the country with efficiency

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showed. You might have saw that or you
might have had that and we're like 125 when passing.
We can't come out here and just we're going, we're going, we're
going to pass the ball halftime,we're going to run the ball
halftime. No, you cannot do that.
And and some people say, well, we got down 15 for the 2
gentlemen, 2 guy on on the otherside of the screen both played

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most of the time when the offense, even if you get down a
couple scores, are you going to completely go away from what you
do best? It's like we're down to if we
score a touchdown to 1 possession game.
I didn't get that and it frustrated me.
It don't matter. If we do.
It's OK to, you know, like you said, you go away from what you
do well, and then not only do you go away from what you do

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well, you go to something that you do horrible.
We ain't no fucking passing team.
We ain't doing good at it. I think we may have had
something ridiculous for the last two weeks. 35 yards one
week in passing, maybe 50 yards another week in passing, going
in the halftime, but not a passing team.
I said before the yeah, I said before the game, you got to you

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got to do what Hans Keane does. You got to you got to use him
like that. You got to run the ball.
And I mean, Kyrie did a good jobof running the ball.
He did a good job of it's not too many people that really want
to hit him when you when you puthim, you know, in the get him to
the secondary, if you can give him a hold to get through.
And then you pairing him with Hawkins and little bit of
Stuart. I think Stuart's still dealing

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with some some injury type stuff.
But whatever the case is, I mean, we got people that's in
there running hard. When we get opportunity one time
we start driving the ball down the field and then what do we
do? We start fucking passing it and
throw a pick. What do you got to pass it for?
Running it just fine. Like he's getting like 7 yards
of carry that that that that drive.

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So I don't know, man. I understand coaches are
stubborn a lot of times and wantto be like this is what my
offense does, but this team can't run that offense so switch
it up and try to win a game. Yeah.
At some point you got to lean onyour strengths and play with the
strengths of the personnel that you have.
And when you look at the personnel that we have right
now, you know, we we've got somegood wide outs that I think you

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want to try to get the ball to. But at the same time the
strength of your quarterback is not dropping back and throwing
down the field. The strength of your quarterback
is giving the ball off, using him in the running game, working
in some shots or, or some stuff.I'll play action that gives him
the opportunity to really kind of survey and, and, and get a
really good look at the field and not have to just have a

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straight drop back and have to get to his third read in his
progression to get a completion.That's not that's never going to
be coverage strength. So I think we definitely need to
lean on that running game as much as we can going forward.
And it was. It was frustrating at times to
watch because when we did finally commit to it the way I
thought we should, we saw some success.
We. Did I'll I'll throw this one in

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there. It's something, I don't really
know what category it falls under, but we didn't have a John
Love field goal this week. That's, that's, that's all that
man needs to keep kicking so he can get in the league and make
money and he's he's. I mean, we ended up, you know,
getting getting down there a couple times.
You know, we went forward turn it over on downs.

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Yeah. So.
Yeah, we went forward. We'll do what you're supposed to
do when you're the underdog, you're supposed to go for it.
So yeah, we didn't see a John left field goal.
So yeah, Shelton, anything to put the cherry on top of the
Georgia Tech game. Yeah.
Regarding the run, the run pass splits credited Doug.
Doug Bowman here. Tech ranks 33rd in FBS in

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rushing success rate, but only 125th in passing success rate,
130. And I was like, there's 134 in,
right, 130, yeah, 136 now, but still.
And then you look at some of theEPA numbers, pretty much the
same splits rushing overall, I think it's 23rd and then passing
111th. So, you know, if, if Tech ran

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the ball more, would those splits necessarily stay the
same? I don't think so.
But at the same time, you know, they could probably a little bit
more balanced relative to what their strengths are, like Brian
said. So I just think, you know,
Montgomery's really trying to force the pass and it's just,
it's just not working at all. You know, it kind of worked last
year because we got we had guys like tuned that could, you know,
really break off big explosive plays.
But it's just, it's just not going to work with this team.

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But the with the personal they have.
So I I do think they need to start running a little bit more.
They go, they go. That's something like Kyron has
like has been pressured like some of the most in the country
as Oh yes. Drop backs, yeah, it was like it
was, it was total number of quarterback hits, I think hits.
I could remember. Those pressures are hits, yeah.
Right. Yeah.
Percent percentage wise, it's not, it's, it's not, it's not

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like #1 bad, but it's, it's still up there in terms like the
actual total. So he's just just taking such a
high volume of hits to his body.There we go.
What can we do better moving forward?
Protect power and run the ball more and be who you are.
All right, before we get into the big topic and start bringing
people on tonight, I want to hitone topic we just did not get a

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chance to hit last week. And that is the changes that are
likely to be voted and confirmedwith the portal for 2026.
And if you hadn't heard, and I'mgoing to get y'all's opinion
real quick, but this is the onesI pulled out.
First of all, spring portal is being eliminated.
If you're with your team in spring, you're with them all
year. They are moving the.

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Portal. Window that was December.
For 20 days to January, it's going to be effectively the 2nd
through the 16th. Now if you are in the CFP that
moves and they get an additional5 days to get in the portal
after their final game. Another change and we've already
seen the reflection on that for this year is for us it was the

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coach leave the 30 minute or 30 day window immediately after
their fire. So that Monday Prowl shower on a
Sunday, it's open from that Monday, 30 days.
I think we are just about closing it now, right?
It's almost closed. It was the 20th or something.
So we got another week where kids can jump in the portal.
Well, that changes as well. If the coach leaves, first of

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all, for anything can happen. It's a five day grace period.
So to me, what they're saying isif you get fired, you're going
to get a whole week with your new coach and then after that,
15 days to enter the portal. So not as long.
I'll start with Sheldon. I like it, hate it, don't give a
shit. Yeah, I have a lot of

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interesting thoughts on this. You know, I'm a I'm a big
athletes rights guys. I always support the players and
sometimes it leads me to very unpopular opinions.
But I guess my question would belike, it seems like an extremely
small window of time consideringyou've got the playoffs going
on. You know, guys are making
decisions where they don't necessarily know, you know, what
the what the outlook for the team is or you know who the

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coach is going to be sometimes. And you know, the end of the
school year, summer is when, youknow, lots of students tend to
leave and transfer. So you're kind of saying like
football players can't do that without, I guess, suffering a
penalty. So I think it'll probably be
challenged in court. I understand it.
You know, it certainly leads to more, you know, stability, I

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guess from like the coach's perspective and you kind of know
who's going to be under roster. But it it seems that it seems a
tad bit too much. So I would like to see maybe a
little bit more concession towards the the player side
here. But I like I said, I I think
this will will get challenged uppretty pretty soon here.
I think if there were scenarios where a coach wasn't having to

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not only re recruit his entire roster, but also get in the
transfer portal and fill and fill any gaps that would be
remaining, you could you could keep a situation where you had a
spring portal and a winter portal.
I feel like with the structure of the transfer portal and NIL

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and the ability of of players toreally be as mobile as they are,
there's going to need to be somegive and take with that.
And I'm I'm not sure if this is maybe the best implementation of
that, but I think it does give alittle bit more stability of

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coaches being able to balance rerecruiting their roster, what
they can get in the transfer portal.
And at least knowing more or less that once they get their
roster kind of set and raked after that window, they at least
know what they're going to be starting the season with.
Even if players ultimately decide to opt out red shirt and

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transfer mid season like we've seen with some players, you know
that's going to happen regardless.
But you know this, this is at least saying, you know, within
that window, there's not going to be two different windows of
shuffling in the offseason that a coach would have to manage as
they're kind of working towards that fall camp.

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Anything on this? Town, I mean, just what
everybody else has kind of said.I know well, Brian mainly, but
it's kind of like it's become became such a shit show, to be
honest with you. Like I I'm with Shelton as far
as the players advocate and theydo deserve certain things.

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But I get it. You know, coaches are leaving,
coaches are getting fired and changing and things like that.
So a lot of stuff happens, but Ithink they just let it be the
wild, Wild West for so long until somebody finally was like,
please, let's do something. And they're like, oh, you need
me? Well, now I got to pimp you
again. You know what I'm saying?

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It's kind of like that's what I feel like it went to.
So only way I can describe like something had to happen because
it's so much movement and being you got so many kids that are
like not playing in bowl games and all my transfer I'm sitting
out because of this. So they're like, OK, well, you
messing with our money, so we'regoing to mess with y'all's

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money. So it is what it is, man.
I, I ain't saying it's good or bad.
I don't know. I think that anything where they
get their mix and then get involved.
Sometimes it's a little screwy, but we'll see how it plays out.
A. 100% and see it's it's like asplit difference here because
what you say, Shelton Yep, that they are they are humans.

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They should have some sort of rights when it comes to this,
but there's also needs to be structure.
In so many other sports, there are structure and so many other
leagues. Their structure and this is it
is the wild, Wild West. If they had just started a few
years ago and just said when youinitially get to your
destination after you sign your your letter of intent, you got
to stay there three years. Now you have to and then get

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your money. And then after that third year,
you likely have two years of eligibility left.
Then do whatever the hell you want to do.
So I think it's almost there like they're tightening it up.
I think if I, if I remember correctly from reading the
articles, they are going to be exceptions where if effectively
a player goes to a coach and thecoach signs off, the coach can
they can enter the portal and they can transfer during the

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summer. And maybe that comes smaller
waves. Like if you just got to a school
you can't immediately like to melike a double year transfer.
If you transfer portal in January, you cannot do it again
in May. If you've been there two seasons
and you got Overpass, maybe, maybe something like that, but

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that'll be interesting. Yeah, three years, Chris.
With with would there be 3 yearsto that?
Would there be exceptions to that?
What do you mean outside of coaching changes?
Would would there be exceptions to not being a transfer
back-to-back years? No, it's not back-to-back years.
Sorry, I thought. I thought that's.
What? No, no, same year.
So if you transferred in Januaryto tech and then you were like,
you know what? I can't even crack the four DP.

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I'm that bad of a player. I want to transfer to Eastern
Washington. You don't get to do that because
then I mean, that's that's really the bigger issue.
So, all right, well, that's whatwe got so far.
But I see the chat has been lighting up the whole time.
Now we are here for the real chef and that is hearing y'all's

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opinions on who you feel the next Virginia Tech coach should
be. We're going to put it real
simple. This isn't you're going to come
on here and talk for 30 minutes.Callie said it very nicely the
first time we did this. He going to come on, speak a
couple minutes, we may have a question, we may ask you a
question and keep going. But then after you've done all

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that, where they got to go tally?
Got to go to the left, man. You ain't got to go home.
You got to get the hell out of here.
You got to get out of here. There's likely to be more people
want to talk about who they think should be the coach, so.
We run a space, you know, at onetime we'll run a space or
something like that, or we'll get a little bit more in depth

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about wanting to hear you guys because we do love to hear, you
know, everybody's takes and stuff.
We just don't have enough time to go so deep on here.
So the only thing that we ask when you come on, I mean, it's
it's I ain't saying it's no rules, but everybody, we know
how to act. All we're saying is if you come
on and you got a coach, we just want you to come on, tell us why

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you think this is the kind of coach we need and how realistic.
Maybe some things like that. We may ask a couple questions on
that, but it ain't just give me Jon Gruden because he looks like
Chucky, say. Dick Saban, I mean, that's a
that's a good pick, but you got to tell me why that's a
realistic choice. Why is how you think What?
What drew you to that? Yeah.

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And what what needs to happen for us to entice him?
Something you got to give us, give us a, you know, maybe give
us a sandwich with some chips onthe side.
Like we don't need spaghetti, the salad, the bread, you know,
then some lasagna. We don't need that whole meal.
Just give me like a little. We don't need Sunday dinner
like. Not only Sunday, we just want

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like a little cookout, little cookout plate, you know what I'm
saying? Hot dog.
We don't need the milkshake though, we just need to drink.
We don't need the milkshake. No, no no, we don't have no
shakes in here, no milkshakes. Black people be lactose
intolerant anyway. We don't really mess with
milkshake, our stomach be messedup so all.
Right, I I have dropped the linkin the the YouTube chat and

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Twitter chat. We already got one.
We already got 1 alum coming in.We already got 1 alum coming in.
So we'll get him in here first. Y'all know him?
Y'all know him What's? Up homie.
Christopher Lester. I got to him, man.
Hold on before you get started Chris, this is AI.
See the hokey jersey in the background?

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Yeah. Oh, never mind, never mind.
I see what the hat says. I was.
Like, yeah, we. Are not supporting no Cowboys on
here. But then I read it.
OK, You're fine with that. Hey, listen, man.
We talking hokey? Football.
This is my applying pressure hatto to my to my professional
team, but my but my choice. And me and we've talked, you

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know, we talk everyday. I don't know why Sheldon ain't
in the chat, but he's probably somewhere asleep.
So he's not kicking when it's onthis chat.
We have on a regular basis. My, my, my, my, my choice is up
until this weekend, it was Sullivan down in, I mean,
Summerall, I think some is it Summerall down in Tulane.
That was my job. That was my guy down there.

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But dude, I go get it. Go get a former Penn State
coach, man, Go get James Franklin.
And I think you go get him because he gives you the the
notoriety of being a big time coach coming here.
He's going to a lesser conference that he can has the
ability to win because where he was at, he was always, always

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the fourth team in that conference when he was in the
Big 10 and, and, and it dropped,he was third and then it dropped
down. Now it's Ohio State, Michigan,
it's going to be Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana.
And then, you know, now he's in that rumbling with Michigan and
all those other people. So go get James.

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He's been able to pill for Virginia for years in the
recruiting ranks. And then I'll go get him.
But that's, that's my choice, man.
That's my choice. Tally, he came out, he already
got you flagged there. That's your flag because Tally,
that's that's who Tally's on. Hey, I mean, if you, if you're
going to, if you, if you're going to go and sell out and for

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you to get signity, which probably won't happen, you're
going to pay 10 million. That would be that.
You know, that would be a great move.
But with Penn State being open, that's going to be to the point
somebody's going to have to pay that guy 10 to 11,000,000 to get
him out of Indiana. So let's go ahead and get that
out the way. You're going to have to pay him
that kind of money to get him out.

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And if I'm him, I'm not leaving there.
Why would I leave there? I'm right in the middle of the
Midwest. I can get all the offensive
lineman I want that don't go endup going to Wisconsin or Iowa
somewhere. And I'm always going to be able
to get skill players, so. Yeah, and I and you can take a
step back Mayor, win 8 or 9 games and not not really have a

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concern for your job. Well, the the duo.
Going to end up having he's probably going to mess around.
He's definitely going to be in the CFP 2 years back-to-back.
He's going to have a quarterbackthat's going to be either get a
call to go to New York to be in the Heisman candidate, a Heisman
Trophy race or be a first round draft pick.
So he going to turn around and get get another quarterback and
his brother's already there. He's already talented.

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So, yeah, but you know, when, when, when he comes back
expectations. And that's why I'm saying if you
bring Coach Franklin here, we got to get back to 8-9 wins.
You know, we got to get back to that this point of old.
He doesn't win the big game. And a lot of people have said
this, you're at Virginia Tech. We we haven't won a lot of big

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games. That we were doing, so this is
what I'll throw in too. This is just about the coaching,
so search in general because I posted some on the X and people
was like, Oh no, why would you want him?
He don't win the big games. First of all, go look at his
record. We changed to what we feel like
a big game because he won games in the playoffs and he's not a
big that's not a big game because he can't beat Ohio

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State. Who who can fucking beat Ohio
State right now? There ain't too many people
because this is not just him. Listen, man, sometimes I'm dumb.
It don't happen very often, but I'm kind of dumb sometimes.
So I had to go back and change my stance on things.
I was thinking about Shane Beamer.
I was like, hell, Nah, because Idon't like Shane.

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I don't like his attitude. He whines a little bit too much
for me. But I did have to go back and
say if we are looking for a coach, I can't say I can't.
I'm Virginia Tech. I can't turn my nose up at to
nobody that. Is.
Producing. So I had to go back and think
about it so far, all the people or in the chat today or people
who just may go back and watch this, any coach that's being

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talked about, how can you turn your nose up at a coach and say
he can't win the big game and wecan't fucking win a little game?
We can. Drug by.
We got drug liberty. So you mean to tell me if we
bring a coach in and he gets us to 8-9 wins for the next three

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years, that's not a step up. Come on man, y'all got to come
on start thinking stop talking crazy.
We're not going to hire a coach and go to the playoffs the next
year. We're not going to hire a coach
and go to the national championship.
We we only been one time. I'm just saying calm down.
I just wanted to go ahead and get that out.
So when we're talking about these coaches, everybody kind of
gets a level head on what we thinking because when you go in

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these chats, when you go in these spaces and stuff, you can
do that. We ain't doing that tonight.
Like don't come on here and talk.
No, not this person. No, not that person that Hey,
Chris. As always, appreciate you giving
the time. We got two more in the hole.
Hey, man, I get out. I got you.
Hey, I just want to get in and get it out, man.
Appreciate y'all man. Hurry up.
Let's hurry up soon. Get Shelton to sleep because.

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Shelton about to fall asleep. He's trying.
He's thinking. Of the good buddy.
I'll meet you later, Chris, please.
All right, throw Quest in here. Quest.
Here's some quest how we doing. Can you hear me?
We got you. We got.
You. Hey, I'm.

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Huh. Who's your?
Man. Man, I'm going to be honest.
It's Shane, OK? But I'm going to tell it's
really not Shane, but it's Shane.
Because he makes the most sense.For what we need right now,
like, and it's something me and Tally talk about on a regular,
Shane Beamer walks in the door. We're going to get whatever we

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want from the boosters. He's going to be able to walk
in. He's been recruiting Virginia
very well down to South Carolina.
He has the name recognition fromhis pops so it feeds 2 things.
For whatever reason, we are stuck on nostalgia at Virginia
Tech. We can't let it go from in a

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Sandman to the Lunch Pail. We we constantly want to bring
all of this back. So we got a unique situation
where we can bring back some nostalgia.
He was a player. His dad is the GOAT at Virginia
Tech. And it also moves forward to the
future because Shane is running South Carolina like a real, you
know, 2025 type programs should be run.

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They're not winning like that, but.
I like that. That's a good point, man.
He is. He's got them in the right
direction for current times. For current times, yeah.
So who would I like? I'm just going to be honest.
For me, I would like Urban Meyer, because if you come in
Urban Meyer, within two years you're going to be playing for

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national championship. That's his resume.
Now. What happens after he leaves?
You don't. But I'm going to be honest, if
we're going to wind up spending close to 12 million for a coach
like right now, you got guys like what's my man down in
Kentucky? You got Mark Stoops, who's

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making nine and a half million right now.
I saw, I saw you put that on thetimeline a couple days ago and
you were like, you're going to have to pay 101112 million for a
coach. Yeah.
So if we're going to have to spend that kind of money, let's
just and you know, I was kind ofjoking here in the chat a little
while when I said a little whileago when I said Nick Saban.

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But the reality is, let's look at what comes up.
Penn State is probably going to reset the the pay scale for
coaches coming up here if they can afford it.
So depending on what happens, ifwe know that the new UCLA has
the money to spend on the coach,That's not saying they will, but
they have. They don't.
They don't. They don't have the money to

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spend on the. Couch, they don't.
Have the money right? Here's the thing that a lot of
people mention about Penn State.A lot of schools are looking to
private equity to fund their coaches.
So you got UCLA in a place like LA with that kind of potential
revenue base, advertising and everything else.
I could see them understanding what the arms race looks like,

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going to go work a private equity deal and dropping
15,000,000 on a coach. I really think Penn State is
going to spend around 15,000,000on their next coach.
I think Oklahoma State is probably going to spend around
12 to 13 million on their next coach.
So if we're in that kind of ballpark, if that's what we're
talking about, fuck it. Let's just shoot for the moon.

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Let's make Nick a offer. Like Nick, look, we hear you
want to get back at the coaching.
We got 16,000,000 a year for four years.
What do you think? God, dawg, Well, quest, I know
we I know we can. I know we can pick your brain
for the rest of the night and I probably will once we get done
with this, but we appreciate youcoming on the last, the last

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thing that I'll throw out there.I guess I'll say if you had to
do some off script stuff to get Nick Saban in Blacksburg, what
are you doing? Oh, man.
Listen, I'm promising Nick. I'm promising Nick the world
like Nick, we're going to, we'regoing to give you part of a new
hotel. We're going to give you part of
one of these car dealerships over here.
Like I'm, I'm like Nick, we're going.

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To give you Blacksburg, Why not?Listen, we're going to give you
lights up. We got this new Amazon situation
going. Like Nick, we will have Amazon
lease the building from you and just let you get some of the
returns on that. Get creative they're.
Going to. Save in motor mile.
There. You go, there, you go, there you

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go. Like again, don't think it's
going to happen. So just for the context of this,
I just think everybody needs to lock in and get comfortable with
Shane being the front runner now.
I would like James Franklin. I think he's I think he recruits
Virginia very well. And it's it's it's like what
Tally said. Listen, we're complaining about
James doesn't win the big game. We ain't been to no big games in

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the wild. We.
Just. Need to get we just need to win
the little games and then we just need to win the little
games. Let's win the games we we
supposed to win first and then we can worry about beating
ranked teams and taking care of that business.
But I, I. The reason I don't think James
Franklin happens is because of pride.
I just think there's a bad tastecoming in from hence, you know,

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Penn State, he was prize boss, you know, who knows, somebody
might float the room that he's going to hire prices DC and
bring him back to Blacksburg like.
That's really my only knock. And not, not, not that scenario,
but my only knock against Franklin is like, is this going
down? Like, OK, so you're hiring

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somebody that just left Penn State.
We just tried that with Pride. I know Pride was the first time
head coach. There was a whole lot of other
ancillary things that were potential pitfalls or pride, but
it feels like kind of going to the hole, going to the same
well. Again, don't forget the failed
OC came from Penn State too. He was on stat.
He was on. That's how far I knew him.
He was on. So it's a lot of that Penn State

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negativity, which is why I don'tthink James Franklin happens.
Before I get out of here, I would just like to say please
stop the day of Mueller conversations.
I don't want to see him in Blacksburg.
I don't think it works you. Ain't going to want to hear me
talking. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Just keep hanging on Quest. We got some people that's going
to come in here and say, yeah, Brian, I know you got some other

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people to get in here. Yeah, question.
Appreciate it though. All right.
Thanks guys. What's up y'all?
What's going on, man? Yeah, when I put my hat on.
And he came in. Listen, listen, I've been
thinking about this all day. I ain't going to lie to y'all.
All day I've been thinking aboutthis.

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This. This I don't want James Franklin
conversation is bothering me. To death, I promise y'all, like
you can't tell me. You can't tell me.
You look at Beamer's record and then look at Frank, I mean James
Franklin's record and say I don't want this guy.
And we celebrate Beamer like he's the best thing in the
world. Like, there's big, there's.

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Stats to prove that he's done, he's done, he's done well.
So I don't know. Franklin, probably one of the
most, he is one of the most qualified coaches out there
right now. Yeah, he lost some games this
year. I'm not saying Jane Franklin's
coming, but like I said earlier,I think.
He got unjustified because they dumb up there.

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But here's my worry, Dale and heI'll, I'll, I'll put my Franklin
while I worry about it. If you said we hired him, I'd be
OK with it. What I worry is, is, and I know
people are going to say he's going to the ACC, it's not as
talented. The talent he had to me he did
less with and that's my work. And everybody's like, well, he

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recruits Virginia. Hold on, let me go on the rant I
went on a little while ago. Brit Brown recruit the hell out
of Virginia. Go look at his 247 resume, all
the primaries he was on. That didn't help.
Shane recruited the shit out of Virginia when he was at Georgia,
and when he was at South Carolina, he came home, he
couldn't close on certain guys. My fear is it's not who they

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are. The stigma inside the state is
kids. I don't want to go there.
And the only way we'd have a chance if somebody backed up the
truck and said you want the biggest bag ever, you got here.
And again, I'm not saying if we hired him, I'd be like, you know
what? I would talk myself into him,

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but that's my only fear. Here's my thing.
If we going to pay money for somebody, don't go get one of
these group of five coaches or nothing like that.
We're going to pay a whole bunchof money to somebody.
Like if I'm going to a car lot tally and I'm going to go spend
$80,000 on something, don't giveme no, don't give me no junk.

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I want something proven, something nice like give me.
The thing, the thing you run into with coaching though, is
like, I'm not a no group of fivecoaches type of guy.
It just comes down sometimes to like if I like the style that
that person plays, I heard an interview and I like them.
That's just a personal thing because The thing is that some
of the coaches that are at some of these group of fives when

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they go to bigger schools, like look at Signet, he mean
superstar. What's the coach that said, the
coach that said Oregon right now, what's my man's name?
Dan Lane, right? So say what now?
Lanny was a Georgia first, you got to remember.

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That right, But he was a he was,he was not a head coach at
Georgia. He was that's what I'm saying.
So when you look at things like,OK, we hired Brett Pryor as a
defensive coordinator, hadn't coached organ, hired this guy
and he been tearing it up for the most part, you know what I'm
saying? So it's different situations.
So I don't say no, this can't happen.

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No, not this person because he'shere.
Sometimes it can work, but it's got to make sense.
Like you got to give me some kind of proven when we hired
Justin Fuente, when we when we hired Justin Fuente, we probably
don't like him now, but that wasa great hire for what he was at
that time, probably one of the hottest names that Virginia Tech

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went and got. He just didn't work at Virginia.
I mean, he took us to, we won 10games with him.
You know, he, he, he got us somewins.
But he already has the talent. He can.
He can make it. Work.
Yeah, when he has the talent. That is true.
So that is true. Question real quick, go ahead.
Who were you on before Franklin?Because it, it seems like for
you it was like as soon as you'dbe like, wait a second, the guy

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who's went 38 and seven the lastthree years is available, The
guy that went to the semi finals, who was who was your guy
before? Just wondering, Dan Mullen.
Like I said. Here we go.
Here's the deal with me. We're going to pay some money to

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somebody. We're going to pay somebody like
that's we don't want to, we don't want to play funny money.
We don't want to go out and get a coach that ain't done nothing
and then bring them in and then fire him, have to pay his buyout
and then try to go get somebody else.
Pay to pay the people that you know going to do something.
Even if they leave in two or three years, if they can get our

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program back in the right direction, then we can bring in
somebody else. You know what I'm saying?
Leave it. Leave it better than you.
Then you found. It the arguments I've been
hearing is, Oh well, James Franklin will come and then
he'll leave for a bigger job. If he comes in and has two or
three great recruiting years andwe get ourselves in a good
position and we can bring somebody else in.

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But we got to, we got to get ourselves in the right direction
first. We can't just go out and just
play funny money. Go bring in somebody we don't
know nothing about. Like go, this is what I, this is
what I'll say to, to, to piggyback on what Dale is
talking about too. If you go look at now, this
ain't just me talking because whenever I talk, then, you know,
some people say, are you just a home or are you just saying that

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because that's your team and stuff?
If you go look at like big conversations about what is the
best job available now, you know, of course things are going
to happen. People are going to be Virginia
Tech's up towards the top. Like, people still regard
Virginia Tech as a football school and a good school to be
at. And everybody wants us to be
good. There's a lot of people who are

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covering the football scene thatwants Virginia Tech to be good.
So I'm not saying that we can't go get some of these bigger
names. I'm just saying we look at
ourselves as this, I don't know,this homeless crew or this
thrift store school. Let's just go.

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Let's go and make something happen.
Let's do something. We're better than a lot of
people think we are. Like as far as the program, like
we just got new locker rooms. We we, our stadium's nice.
Like we got some good things to work off of.
I know we need LEDs and all thisstuff everybody else is talking

(53:03):
about, but like a coach will come in, bring in some players,
fix the program and we'll be in good position.
Some of these people. Got a lot more stuff to deal
with than we got. I'm with that.
Brad as as we wrap up with Dale here, Dan Mullins your guy.
All right, So innovative offensive bond, I think that's

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going to work well here. We can recruit defense pretty
well. Virginia Tech, we need to have
some sort of plus on the offensive side in order to get
that thing rolling. He's proven being able to win in
the SEC, had eleven wins when hewas at Florida one year.
Really good track record in Mississippi State.
Does a good job of coming in andwinning right away, which is
what we need. The UNLV, yeah, comes in, wins

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right away. He can recruit well.
He is showing the ability to adapt based on his personnel and
just go out there and get the job done.
I think he does a pretty good job from a media standpoint.
I don't, I don't think he'll be the boon of getting the big
money in that a Shane or a JamesFranklin would be, but I think.

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He's a hot name, though. A hot.
Name, though, he's at that next.Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's still
a big name coach. He's not going to be at UNLV
next year. No, he won't.
He's going to be somewhere else.Well, this and Dale appreciate
you chatting with me yesterday on the timeline.
Appreciate you jumping in here tonight, man.
And we appreciate you listening and being with us and y'all be

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safe. Appreciate that.
Love that hat, Dale. The blacks, we got blackouts.
Training is Vito Vito in the building.
Good evening, gentlemen. Can y'all hear me?
We got you. Yeah.
You know me, I'm always on the Xbox, but I won't be in the
house just waiting to be camera ready and shit.

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So here we go. Good evening.
Good evening. Good evening.
How we feeling, Vito? Bless mine, bless all right.
Who we got? Come on here and tell us who's
your man. Tell us, Mike Novell, your
person. Nah, I want to, I just want to
speak on the James Franklin conversation like everybody else
have really. I, I, I mean, everybody pretty

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much here agrees. It's it's only a a vocal
minority of Virginia Tech fans that don't like Penn State
personally that get into the whole that get into the whole
Franklin conversation. James Franklin is the most
qualified coach out of everybodyhere been to the playoffs, one

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playoff games, one new year, sixgames recruited to State.
Well, he's he's done. He's Frank basically.
He's Frank Beamer. Basically.
He did everything Frank did basically, except have a number
one overall draft pick there. We go and I think, I think part
of the problem I think some people are getting into is that

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they're having the difficulty ofseparating whether they like a
coach versus whether that would be a good coach to have a
Virginia Tech. And I think sometimes they're
like, well, I haven't liked Franklin.
I I don't, I don't like the way he was doing business up in Penn
State or things he said on the recruiting trail about Virginia
Tech. But at the end of the day, we
just need to win games and get players to come into Blacksburg.

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Yeah, that's his job. His job is to downplay Virginia
Tech. If he's trying to get a player
from Virginia, that's his job. People got to take, people got
to take people got to take the fan out of shit out of stuff and
and start looking at things logically.
You got a coach right here that knew how to coach a high level

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program. And his biggest flaw was he
couldn't beat the top three teams in the country like
everybody else. What are we doing?
Ohio State can't even beat Michigan and they won a natty
like they were about to fire their coach nine months ago.
Go ahead, go ahead, Sir. No, I'll just say just like me

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and you was talking earlier and you was like they was about to
fire dude. They was about to fire Ryan Day
and then he went on a run and won the championship like they
was ready to get him out of there because he can't beat
Michigan. So is that him not he can't win
big games. He won the championship though,
but he can't he can't beat his robbery can't beat Michigan.
So it's oh shit, but they pick and choose what's a big.

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Game. We pick and choose with big
games for who like once that narrative come out on you like
they pick and choose like Lamar Jackson always beats Joe Burrow,
but we decided that Joe Burrow don't lose big games.
So every time Lamar Jackson beats Joe Burrow is not a big
game. But if Joe Burrow ever beat
Lamar Jackson, it's a big game. We pick and choose.

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Facts depending on whatever narrative is running.
So James Franklin can't win big games, so the playoff games he
won ain't big games no more. Had he lost them bitches big
games? It's stupid as hell and and.
That's your. Guy Vito.
You all I was gonna say, Vito, do you got, do you got a guy
that you would like to see in Blacksburg outside of James

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Franklin? Yeah, just anybody.
It could be Franklin. Is that your guy or who?
Who would you want to see as thenext coach?
I won't. Whit Babcock.
Not in Blacksburg no more. That's that's all I did.
Let's do that one. Yeah, that other stuff don't
matter, man. I got to.
I got to protect a black coach. Man, I don't know if James

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Franklin even is black, but I got to protect non white coaches
because there ain't that many ofus allowed to even coach.
So I got to protect, I got to protect my people, man.
I got to stand up. That's all the black guests too.
It's been an all black guest shout out to boundary corner man

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pushing diversity. I got to say this while Vito's
on here because he just brought it up.
I don't think a lot of people understand and I I don't want to
make it all about race, but we've never had a black coach in
Blacksburg, right? If you get a black coach in
Blacksburg, it's going to there is going to be an uptick in

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recruiting. I'm just going to go ahead and
tell you I ain't going to go get, I ain't going to just tell
you going to go get any black dude and bring him in.
I'm just saying like Fran Brown going to Syracuse caused the
uptick in recruiting because there's not a lot of black
coaches. So you're going to have some
kids that are going to go and want to play for a black coach.
I mean, that's just what it is, whether you want to hear it or

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you don't like, that's just whatit is.
So now you talk about James Franklin being a coach that is a
high level coach and it's coached at the highest level,
which is the play offs almost made it to a a, a national
championship. He's going to get some kids.
So when people start talking about, well, they ain't going to
want to play here and they man, you don't know until you try it.

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So I just want to throw that outand kind of kill that
conversation with people out there saying he can't recruit or
he can and stuff like if he cameto Blacksburg, he'll be able to
feel the his recruiting classes would be better than Prize or
Fuentes. I agree.
With that man just off the mere fact the mother fucker will
bring some people with them unlike the last coach from Penn

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State. Bring some Penn State people
with your game. What you doing?
That's one of the things I was talking about earlier before we
hit hit go live, man. I was like, well, when we look
at what pride did and what I think frankly could do, it's
like, you know, some of these guys, when they move, guys move
with them. I mean, even Matt Moore coming
in as an assistant, you know, brought brought up the guys

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along along with him. Like at at some point we got to
look at why folks didn't follow the train there, especially
considering that a lot of those guys that were at Penn State
were, you know, probably was their primary on the recruiting.
So like why, why, why weren't they following this guy at some
point? I'm sure some of that's a
financial thing. And I think at some point it was

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just a, you know, he, he didn't have the motion to, to, to sway
those kids to, to leave something that they knew about
and, and come down to Blacksburgand give it a run.
Yeah, man, shout out the prime, man.
No, I'm coaching it. But no.
But shout out James Franklin, man.
I want James Franklin. Any other coach, man, I ain't

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going to disrespect no other coaches on this platform, man.
I don't. I'm not qualified to speak on
what they is and what they ain't.
You know, I just keep my ears tothe street and yeah, I want, I
just want Virginia Tech fans to,you know, open up their heart a
little bit and stop being so fucking hateful on Penn State
because they ain't got nothing to do with us.

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And just you know, take take a look at James Franklin resume
and look at everything Heathen did over the last 11 years and I
wouldn't even did. Over the last.
Three weeks, the man. Been there 11 years and they
don't. These motherfuckers finished top
five last year. Shout out to Penn State defining
the black coach for going finishing top five and find that

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*** in a year. Shout out to the South to Penn
State because guess what? The next coach ain't going to be
Ohio State either. So.
Shout out to. Shout out to Penn State bro for
thinking they was them because they put a good one on the
street. They.
Ended with recruiting. Look at them, they fired the
black coach and he was winning games.

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He was taking him to the. Playoffs winning games bro, and
I don't even know if James Franklin back bro.
He might be amigo but shout out bro, shout out to him.
Vito, we appreciate you jumping on giving your opinion.
As always, take care man. God bless goody guys play
appreciate. Time, Vito.

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Alrighty. Oh, gracious.
There he is. What's going on fellas?
How we feeling? Today, Maddie is in the house.
I know you guys are keeping it quick and it's running on a
little bit, so I'm going to saveyou all some time.
Here's where I'm at, James Franklin, Obvious choice if you
can get them. The problem is we're not the

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pretty girl at the dance. And there's a there's a lot of
people at this. By the time that this season
ends, there's going to be a lot of jobs open.
So with that being said, it's got to be, I think Dan Mullen,
right? So every guy came to the dance
and they said, I want the hottest girl here.
But at some point through the night, you realize that's

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probably not going to happen. And so you got to settle for
that 6-7, not the dime that that6-7 that you can take home.
And I think Dan Mullen is that. Hey Maddie, how many double J
mods do we have to throw back before we're ready to go home
with that? I mean, not many, honestly.
I mean, it's one of those girls that like, like, she has good

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conversation. Yeah, but no.
So Deb Mullins only real fall and Shelton and you guys much
smarter people to me can tell methis or not.
The only way that Mullen left Florida was because of weird
COVID times. If it wasn't for weird COVID

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years, Mullen still at Florida and he did.
And he's doing fine at UNLV. He still landed on his feet.
Like he had good seasons at Florida until COVID, and then
he's on his feet at UNLVI. Think that he's a perfect fit
for us. We're not the pretty girl at the
dance. Like if we can get Franklin,
hell yeah. Obviously number one pick.

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I would take him any day in Blacksburg.
But I just don't know that that's going to be the case.
So for me, I'm I'm with Dan Mullen.
All right, Maddie B ride with meon this one.
I like that. Well I love you guys, I'm
looking out here. Save y'all some time.
Appreciate it. I appreciate it, Maddie, always.
Appreciate it old man, have a good.
One brother. Oh.
Man, all right, this is going tobe tough.

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We asked him to like to keep in between 3:00 and 5:00 minutes.
Yo, what's up? What's up, my guy?
Not the. White bit.
Hey, the great show so far man, I was just listening I said man,
I got to jump on because I got some thoughts.
Hey so look man, Virginia Tech got a coaching issue right?

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Obviously that's what y'all talking about right?
The the issue it's real simple. Like I know Maddie was just
someone talking about we not thepretty girl at the dance.
It's going to be a rack of positions open.
You know, it's, it's going to bea lot of vacancies, but at the
end of the day, man, like we might not be the pretty girl
man, but we got a nice outfit, man, and we got some attributes

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that somebody may check for and we may be able to become a Jenny
Jones makeover type check. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, we might, we got some curves, you know what I'm
saying? We got a nice shape.
We just we got a membership to lifetime fitness.
So we can you know, look, I'm I'm going to be serious though,
seriously, Virginia Tech. This is why I'm not I don't mind

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Franklin at all. I don't mind the guy from
Memphis. I don't mind Mullin.
I don't only one when quest was on here.
Here's my issue. Urban Meyer.
He wins immediately, but I'm concerned.
I still remember him bent over having anxiety attack, panic
attacks and he needs to take care of his health man, because

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he takes winning so seriously. He couldn't breathe.
But on a serious note, with Virginia Tech got a coat.
You know what's funny? When I say I got a coaching
issue, this what I mean fellas, and I mean y'all, my brothers,
I've gotten close to y'all over the last five years.
Virginia Tech needs a guy that come in and coaches, man, the
recruiting, the money, all that stuff makes sense.

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But I'm you go back to the last few years of the Fuente era, the
timeout against Liberty, the mismanagement of personnel
groupings, ostracizing the in state schools with the Texas to
Virginia hashtag, the corny ass hard, smart, tough with the hard
hat, you know, and then you can you bring in Fuente.

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I mean, excuse me, bring in Prague.
He does some of the things that Fuente refused to do.
But clock management, loyalty toplayers that should have been
challenged. To me, Virginia Tech's issues is
coaching. So it could be, it could be
Mullen, it could be the guy fromMemphis who I like a lot.
It could be another coach that we might not know about right

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now. It's really to me, Virginia
Tech's issue comes down to coaching.
Like if you look at the games they lost last year, one score
games if you're one in 12 and one score games, if you win half
of those last year, you got ninewins.
I think people are looking at itfrom a name standpoint because
people want to fans want to win the press conference and they

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want to be happy with the name Mullen and all of that.
I mean, listen, we got a lot of guys.
I hate saying this out loud. We got players and I know people
get mad we got players that's getting overpaid at tech.
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to say it because I can say it.
We got on. I know people say, hey, man,
that's the market today. That's the market.

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I don't care if it's the market.I'm AI own two small businesses.
I'm not overpaying anybody so accountability has been missing.
So to me bring anybody in that knows how to coach and that has
that knows how to get these players to work hard.
The fact that we had a terrible offseason conditioning program,

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it was non existent. I think fans hear me talk about
that. I don't think people realize the
importance of running a program and how it works.
Brian, you know what I'm talkingabout Tally, y'all know what I'm
talking about. Like running a program, man,
Like if so, when you talk about a name, guys, we need a guy that
knows that can come in and run the program.

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All the other stuff, GM recruiting.
You know, Curtis, you made a great point about the brand
that's taking a hit. Some players ain't never going
to go for Virginia Tech. Let me just remind people, Dre
Blah from the 757 went to UNC. That was in the 90s Lawrence
Taylor went to UNC. That was in the 90s Ronald Curry
national Gatorade play the end 2sports never been done before

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and hasn't been done since went to UNCUNC.
Penn State guys have been going outside of the state since the
70s. That's not a big surprise.
But what you got to do is get instate and guys that can come in
from other areas that can come in and contribute and play ball.
That's what you need that that know how to deal with effort and

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don't know how to like be held accountable.
I mean, it's just the players were telling the coaches what
they weren't going to do sittingout, you know what I'm saying?
Like it was the shit is sad and that's the issue, you know?
So like, that's my stance on this, fellas.
Like it is Franklin. I can rock with Franklin.
I can rock with Franklin. Well.
So everybody wants to know that the the the link is back in the

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chat. Brown threw it back in there.
But you mentioned the name and that Shelton tile before
Shelton. Yeah, Yeah, Silverfield was my
guy. And I know he's kind of
unconventional. I know some people are scarred
from the Memphis connection. I understand that.
But when you look at the all thegroup of five coaches outside
of, you know, John Summer, who Ithink, you know, we all agree
probably it's the best body of work he's going clearly going

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into SEC school. I think Silverfield has the best
resume and he's been, I've done this for a few years now.
He's probably on pace to have three straight 10 win seasons.
You know, I know he built off some foundation that was laid by
Norvell, but he's done a really good job.
So he's my guy. I just think I at this point,
I'd rather go with a guy who hasprevious head coaching
experience. And if we look at some of the

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power for coaches, it's kind of like a mixed bag.
You got Dan Mullen, who, you know, got let go a couple times.
He's at UNLV now. You know, obviously Franklin's a
great, you know, a great candidate, but like, do we know
even if he even wants to coach next year, Like, not
necessarily. So that's cut.
That's the reason I chose Silverfield because I just think
he has the best actual head coaching body of work among

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candidates that we could get. So there you go.
Y'all know I will. I will rubber stamp.
I'll rubber stamp Silverfield. I mean, he's a guy that
obviously when I was playing in college, he came straight out of
high school. Actually during his senior year
he was already coaching for his own high school.
Came to Hammond Sydney, coached 4 years at Hammond Sydney.

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He's a guy that's known he wanted to be a head coach since
he knew he wanted to be anything.
And I think that that's a guy that you want as a coach.
Now, whether that's a good fit for Blacksburg or not, we can
argue that till we're blue in the face.
But if you talking about a coachand if you're talking about the
best available or, you know, possibly available head coach,

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that's in the group of five, it's Ron Silverfield for me.
Back Hey, look, Florida, FloridaState about the Florida State
that they keep that that Floridastate's lost eight straight ACC
games, right. So they probably, they probably
going to be in the same situation and I don't see things
turning around, you know, instinct.
In, in, in. Six weeks ago, they they smoked

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Alabama. Smoked I.
Mean. It's it's wild how how it seemed
can be can smoke Alabama and then it be at the bottom of the
ACC within 4 weeks. It's crazy, but but but that's
why I said to me, man, like whatI see going on and it's this,
you know, this is a bigger issue, but what I see going on

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at the powerful level, I'm not going to mention the other
levels or even high school. What I see is a coaching issue
with programs. Fuente was a very good coach
when he first got here and I agree with you guys and I was
celebrating him. He was a hot commodity.
He came in and did the thing, but then he did it to himself
after that. But he knew how to coach and he,

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you know, it was just some issues with personnel and other
things like that. You know, pride came in, man.
And there was a sense of stubbornness, right?
That's why I go back to coachingbecause if you look around the
top 25, what I see with teams that we're losing to is they
have a better group of coaches. Not to say certain guys on our
staff don't know what they're doing, but the other programs

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seem to have more direction. That's why it doesn't have to be
a hot commodity name for me. I think the name, you know with
your guys that's watching and listening online on X and all of
that, I think the name makes people feel good, you know what
I'm saying? But like, to me, I just feel
like when I look at the other programs that have that have
surpassed us right now in perception and in reality, they

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just got better programs and they know how to run their
program, not them. We're not somewhat history.
I'm not a Cowboy fan. I'm talking about the here and
now. So like at the end of the day,
those other teams, they got better.
They have a better sense of whatthey are on, on and off the
field. Man like.
There you. Go yeah, I just anyway, I
appreciate you guys. Let me talk much too.

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Appreciate. You kicking Chris while he's
down a little bit with that cowboy?
Oh, that's. Right.
Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris lit up on one of my DMS because I, I
don't even, I don't have a favorite NFLNB A-Team, but I, I,
I take time every now and then to throw the Cowboy, but I'll

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throw the Cowboy fans, you know what I'm saying?
Because they really, they reallybe going through it.
But every year is there a year and they talking to their
defense is horrendous. I can't believe they lost to
Carolina, you know what I'm saying?
But anyway, but like, that's whyI said gentlemen, I just want
new memories, man. I just want somebody.
I'm, I'm, I want somebody to come in and give us some new

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memories. I'm OK with scratching
everything that we have just some new memories, man.
But anyway I'm a jump off and listen man, appreciate y'all.
Appreciate Dwight. Appreciate Dwight.
All righty. We're going to try to get Phil
on here. Right now it's not letting me
add him because Luis says his mic and cameras disconnected.
So let me go ahead and jump. We'll get Josh.

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Phil Phil gets his his stuff setup.
Josh, what's going on tonight? Not much, fellas.
How are we doing? How are we doing?
What's up, Joshua? Whoa, whoa.
That's the government. That's the government.
Name Josh. Here you go.
So before Franklin got fired, mytop three that I kind of wanted

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to see got Dan Mullen at #1 justhis track record, you know,
Florida, his worst recruiting classes at Florida would still
put Virginia Tech in the top 25 recruiting #2 would be a Pat
Fitzgerald. What he was able to do at
Northwestern back then, he was able to turn them into Big 10

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almost power until, you know, that whole like, hazing incident
came out and then just kind of derailed everything.
They did say yeah and they. Did.
Yeah, they did say that he was exonerated from wrongdoing.
Did he sue him or something likethat?
Brian. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
He said. He said he ain't.

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So hey, I just want y'all to know we ain't going to throw no
slander on Pat Fitzgerald's name.
He was not allowing dingalings to be rubbed across people's
heads in the car wash just to let you.
Know Ding, car wash go. Ahead and the.
Third one as just maybe this dude just needs a change of
scenery. Luke Fickle at Wisconsin.

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Just maybe the expectations weretoo high for him at Wisconsin.
A change of scenery could put him right back to where he was
at Cincinnati when they beat us in that Armed Forces Bowl and
then making the College FootballPlayoff as AG5.
It's funny because you say that like I feel like the
expectations for a good Wisconsin program are the same

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as a good Virginia Tech program,but at the same time they play
in the Big 10 and not the ACC. So.
The potential to get there is a whole lot easier in Blacksburg
than it is in Wisconsin. But can can I say something
about Luke Fickle? Because I'm glad you brought him
up. He he's not my pick by any
means. But the one thing about Luke
Fickle and everybody's like, who's going to Wisconsin?

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Look at Wisconsin doesn't recruit the way you think.
They recruit like, like go look at that.
They don't have top 15 classes, top 20 classes.
They're usually down in the 40s because of what they did all the
years under Alvarez. Luke Vigelson.
Ohio got through and through Ohio.
Guys pull from the Mid-Atlantic,from Pennsylvania.
Ohio itself is an unbelievable football state.

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And when he was at Ohio State, he was recruiting all over the
country. I think for him, that was a bad
cultural thing because where he was centered all of his life was
Ohio. And it's a lot better, easier to
recruit that area than if you goout to Wisconsin, which is kind
of on an island. It's not as good football.
So good point on that, Josh. So are you, are you?

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But now you, you said you had a top three, but it's Franklin.
You're 1 now that that's I don't, I don't know if I would
consider him the one. I would slide him into that like
top 4. I mean, besides him not winning
big games or whatever, in a sense, like Frank Beamer had a
hard time doing that exact same thing with Tech.

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It's just the fact of what he was able to do in the footprint
of Virginia, taking all these the top ten state kids to go to
Penn State. Like if we could get half of
that back to Virginia Tech with a solid coaching staff like
Franklin would be like, in a sense, like a home run higher.
We just got to be able to throw that that cash at him that we're

(01:18:37):
supposedly supposed to have now.So because he could see how that
goes. But you know everybody's.
Signing. Everybody's signing NDA's now,
so we have no idea what's going on.
Oh, man, it's going to be all interesting to have.
There's going to be a 30 for 30.At one point on this, we had
Phil, we lost Phil. I was getting ready to say, but
there is going to be a 30 for 30.

(01:19:00):
Well, realistically we should have two.
The one that's going on now and then the whole debacle in the
Fuente era with regular bacon and Turkey bacon.
Man, the fact that we had to have conversations about that
real, real, actual conversationsabout Turkey bacon was kind of
frustrating for me. Oh, a hundred, 100%.

(01:19:21):
A. 100 Well, Josh, I like the I like you had two new names
there. The Dan Mullen seems to be the
one where everybody's trending. But I, I, I I like Pat
Fitzgerald, too. I think he's a culture fit.
And what he did at Northwestern,now that's completely upside
down, that is. Oh, yeah.
So I like the choices, man. And again, you jumped on here
with us about a month ago. We appreciate you coming back on

(01:19:43):
with us. Yeah, of course.
Thanks, fellas. Take care, man.
See you. Where'd Tyler go get Phil in
here? Hey, damn, internet's a pitch.
Like, I feel like the search committee right now.
Like just fooling around for a light switch in the dark.
I don't know, man. Did.
You sign an NBA about. It like, I don't know anything

(01:20:05):
about these coaches. I know how hard it is to coach.
I get it, I assume, but for whatthey're paid.
But does anybody have any faith in who we're going to hire as
our athletic director, as our GM, as our president of our
school? Like, I feel like we've been
stuck in the past, like their stats, we've been historically
bad for 50 years and mean it might be time to just change

(01:20:27):
everything. Like RIP it like the coach is.
I don't know, man. We got to have a better leader
at the top leading the whole place.
The Hokie Club is a mess. I've said it before, it's just a
mess. And we're asking donors to
subsidize all this without a plan.
And like that, it just, like, just seems like a total chaos
with Babcock canceling his pressconference for the second time

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because of an NDA. Like, I just would like some
clarity at the top. Like if you're working for a
company and this is the leadership, are you excited
about it? You mind, Hey, I'm going to
apply for a job, but I don't know who my boss is going to be.
I don't know who my boss's boss is going to be.
And I don't know who my boss's boss's boss is going to be.

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And my company might be bought by another company or downgraded
or what I mean, is not importantin college football in a few
years because the conferences have changed.
Like we got to get our shit together financially everywhere.
Like, I don't understand why it is so challenging to hire a
dynamic person like Chris Coleman from Texan was like, why

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isn't Jeff born on this committee?
And I'm like, I never thought ofthat.
You know why? Because it's not my job to think
of that. But he thought of it and he's
not paid to do it. Why aren't we making smarter
decisions at the top to run the place?
This is my thing so. That's all I got.
Because we don't. But Phil, it's your fault
because you don't want to cheat.Use moment at the more, fill it
full of hookers and get a coach up there.

(01:21:56):
Let him have a good time. Doesn't help.
Anymore. Doesn't move the.
Needle Like the needle anymore, Tally, it doesn't move.
The try some different ones, trysome, try some lady boys, then
no that no. That's a that's an Elliott move,
man. Don't do that.

(01:22:17):
That's a different kind of needle moving.
No, no, seriously. We need better leadership at the
top, and we always have. We haven't had strong leadership
at the top of our school when itcomes athletics since Torgelsen,
and that's when Beamer started rolling.
He understood the importance of athletics and we have not had a
leader that really understands the importance of athletics.
He stumbled into an athletic school.

(01:22:39):
It feels like they wanted him for research and to grow all
that He's done it. It's time to move on because now
we need to move on to something more important.
So I'm flushed. You make a good point, Phil,
because it it seemed like over the last two weeks, the
announcement happened. It felt good.
Yeah. Search committee sounds great.
And then shit got sideways several times and I don't.

(01:23:02):
Like Brandon's mouth and then the next thing we got, NBA is
coming out. You get to.
Point back to one person, it's always whipped.
Who on that who on that search committee has hired a coach?
I mean, I know Bruce Arians madeTampa hire their guy.
But yeah, I don't know. I don't I just don't understand.
Like just sit back and I don't know.

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And whit there when everybody knows is the lame duck is
involved too. It's not good.
So that's my concern. And my other concern is we have
the 12th best odds to win the damn ACC champion to win the ACC
this year in basketball. I'm maybe not as I may be overly
excited and I shouldn't be. That's not good.
So we could be in trouble. So but we'll see.
So, but thank y'all, keep it up.You had some thoughts on the on

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the whip front that we had talked about earlier.
I don't know if you want to talka little bit more about that as
we kind of wrap up the the coachchat with some of the stuff that
came out with the NBA's and all,all the all the awkward post BOV
vote stuff on that front. Me.

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Sheldon. Sheldon.
No. But see, I thought I heard my
grievances. Sheldon.
What? Sorry.
Sheldon's trying to watch it go to the commies game and yeah, I
had to turn. I had to turn the.
It happens. Now I was I was talking about, I
know you had some thoughts on the wit front, especially with
some of the new stuff coming outon the the BOV and.
Yeah, the yeah, No, I so, yeah. So basically, you know, from

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what I've heard, it's not the most organized search committee.
You know, I don't, I don't thinkthey've, they've met a ton
extensively together. You've kind of got like a
hodgepodge of people from different areas, which, you
know, maybe can work by also saying it might be too many
cooks in the kitchen. And I was counting on one of the
message boards today. It's like, you know, there's a
reason that athletic directors oversee these hires because it's

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their expertise, it's their job.They're trained to hire head
coaches and lead the charge and take on that responsibility.
We've got a situation where you've got an athletic director
who's essentially neutered, although it seems that wit has
actually had a lot more responsibility and a lot more
involvement in this search process.
Then I think people think that they said he wasn't going to
participate, but I don't think that's been the case from what

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I've heard. And in in lieu of that, you've
got an 8 person committee. And I just think it's it's way
too many hands. People are playing politics, you
know, saying, Hey, I'm only going to, you know, consider
these types of people. You know, I want this guy, I
want that guy. Like it's just not it's, it's
it's not organized. So I think when you get down to
it, the, the question people should, should be asking is why

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did we not let WIC go after pride was let go?
You know, we are, we are essentially have, we essentially
have a ghost of an athletic director who's, who's not
participating, participating in the search.
But also we kind of this I just,I just think it's, it's a, it's
a train wreck. Yeah, it's it, it's, it is
definitely something that we're it looks like there wasn't a

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plan. And and I think that's that's
going to be a problem when it comes time to hire is that, you
know, folks going places, makingmoves, uprooting their family,
all these different big changes that take place when you become
a head coach somewhere. I think you like to go somewhere
that has a plan, not just the money plan, but like a plan of
what they want, how they want toapproach the sport, how they a

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plan to raise the funds to get you there.
It's it's just it still looks like even with more cooks in the
kitchen that it's still kind of this backwoods mom and pop
operation because you didn't, you know, sack up and do the
thing that you needed to do, which was fire wit when you

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fired pry. Yeah.
And and that's all I'm Tim Sayings and I think it goes back
to what Phil just said a couple minutes.
Ago they were too worried about keeping fucking appearances with
like well he's making this presentation, he's asking for
money. Can't fire the guy that's asking
for money. Yes you can because he should
have asked for money 3 fucking years ago.
That's the God honest truth and and that's the bigger issue is

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like, I think what Phil said wasperfect.
You truly need a president who'sall in on athletics right now.
He talked about Torkelson. Look up Torkelson.
It was 2000, I believe he lookedbefore Steiger.
Is that right? Shelton?
Former symbols before Steiger, yes.
Correct. It was early.
Yeah. So like there are different

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times that ebb and flows for what you need for a university
and. Great.
We're Tech's almost an AAU school.
Wonderful. The research is way up,
enrollment's getting higher and all this stuff, and you don't
need that anymore. You are in an era where you need
someone who is focused on the college experience.

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Athletics is going to be a lot to deal with that.
Get that guy in here who's willing to operate around that.
I didn't get to say mine yet because nobody mentioned it
except somebody in the chat. But the chat.
We're not letting you. We're not putting your coaching
stuff on you. Come talk to us.
We'll do it tonight. Sorry, I'm going to be an ass
about that, but I'll I'll mention my.

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Put your name on it. Put your name on it, put your
face on it because I can talk a bunch of stuff behind the the
the keyboard, but you come in here and there are people that
have put their names on things and if they get hired and bad
shit happens, Tally said. He's going to be clipping this
in a couple years and saying it's y'all's fault.
That's who y'all wanted to be the head coach.
But for me, I want Matt Campbellbecause look what Matt

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Campbell's done at Iowa State the last decade, that thing.
Iowa State has never been good at football ever, until Matt
Campbell got there. His current salary is $4.4
million. I think we can double that in a
heartbeat. And he is a coach.
Captain Dwight wanted a coach, right?
He is a coach. He's not CEO figure, he's a

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coach. Look what he did at Toledo.
Look what he did at Iowa State. But he can.
But he's not a Fuentes style. Where?
He's not. He's anti all those other
aspects. No, no, no, no.
He, he, he can do the media stuff.
You ever hear him talk? Holds good conversations.
And The thing is, much like where FIFA went to Wisconsin,
he's stuck in Iowa. You can't recruit great in Iowa

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if you can get him out of Iowa. I got $9.3 million reasons.
And guess what? Iowa State's budget ain't
nowhere near that. They cannot afford that.
So if you want him at Matt Campbell would be your guy.
Ohio guy as well. Let me ask you this, let me ask
you this, all right. So when you look at it, you
know, he, the, the recruiting struggles are kind of

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interesting because I mean, it'sfucking Iowa and you're
recruiting against other big 10 schools.
So you get, you get some of that.
You get, you know, there, there's, there's a lot of stuff
going on there that that can be talked about ad nauseam.
But at the end of the day, can he get recruiting to where it
needs to be in Virginia with thein the state of Virginia in the

(01:30:06):
Mid-Atlantic? Is, is, is he a guy that can
make that? Like, obviously he's got some of
that, you know, Ohio River Valley experience from a
recruiting standpoint, but you know, does he really have the
chops to to come in here and, and, and make some big waves in
the Mid-Atlantic from a recruiting standpoint?
Well, that's what you'll, I mean, that's what's got to be

(01:30:26):
found out. Now, I'll say this.
Can I ask you a question and I'll ask this to all three of
y'all. If he comes in here and he goes
something like 11-9 and eight inhis first three seasons, you
don't think people will be running because he's already
putting guys in the league. Yeah.
I think with him it would be more of if he came in

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restructured and it literally went like 7/8/11.
All those kids that I don't wantto go to Virginia Tech, wait a
second, kids go in the league, They got big in IL, they're on
TV, they win in 11 games. It just comes down to when it's
all shit. Yeah, it just comes down to like
we saying, like if you get somebody who can coach, that

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comes in here, which you're going to have to have the
recruitment is going to start todo something because Pride was
not a coach. I mean, he wasn't a head coach.
Excuse me? I ain't trying to disrespect the
man. He wasn't a head coach before he
got here and he came in and for what he was, he recruited well.
You know, he didn't recruit, youknow, top of the college

(01:31:29):
leaderboards. But I'm saying from Virginia
Tech, he came in, he built some bridges and he recruited well.
So you don't think if you get a coach with a name and a pedigree
behind him and he comes in here,some kids are going to give him
a chance if you do. And I, I don't know much about
Matt Campbell, but I know he's from what I've watched over

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college football, like he's a good coach.
I know he puts together good teams.
I know kind of what the identityof the teams that I've seen him
coaching is. So I can see him coming in and
winning those close games that we've been losing because as bad
as we've been, look at this pastweekend, we've just lost to a

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top 15 team, you know, by what, 15 points was it?
What? Yeah, 15 points on a game that
we played horrible and we didn'thave nobody out there really.
I mean, I don't say nobody, but a lot of the starters that we
expect to be here and A and A and a fire coach.
So, yeah, you bring a good coaching in to go play some of
these games and they start winning a couple of them.

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It's going to change the way some people feel about the, the,
the university. So Matt Campbell's a good,
that's a good that's a good nameto throw in at Curtis.
I hadn't thought about him. Hey.
Steven will give you a pass on that one, buddy.
Give you a pass. But Steven, to to be honest, if
you had your kids in the background screaming it, it
wouldn't. It wouldn't bother us.

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At least it wouldn't. Bother me, Curtis.
I don't give a shit. Huh?
What? We used to do it.
We used to it 100%. We 100% man.
We, we had some good names tonight and definitely, and
there's still so many out there that we, I mean, I mean, we, you
mentioned Shelton, you mentionedJohn Summerall.

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You think you can't talk about him?
Because like the the thought in everybody's head is Mark Stoops
in about 3 weeks going to get fired and John Summerall's going
to get that job right? Probably.
Yeah, probably. Shelton.
I mean, Bulls probably going to get Penn State at this point,
more than likely so. You said who at Penn State,

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Brian? Rule, Matt.
Rule. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they
definitely, they throw that nameout quick.
Well, yeah, but it's there's still more to be had.
There's still there's right now,if you asked us, if you asked
me, in my opinion, what Domino'sneed to fall before Virginia

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Tech can get their coach, it's Penn State.
That's it. That's the only domino that has
to fall. When it comes to Matt Campbell,
I'm I'm interested because if Fickle does get removed of his
duties, does that, is that whereCampbell is looking?
And they can pay. So you know.
It's at that point does. Fickle gets into play on the

(01:34:22):
board, like like Josh was talking about earlier.
So I mean, you know, there's a lot of different directions this
thing can go. I think we got to see how
unfortunately, being in the ACC,we're a little bit further down
the pecking order even relative to schools that we would
consider ourselves better than overall.
But they have to get well, let me.
Let me throw this out. Let me throw this out, Curtis

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and Brian. Yeah, and shell.
Shell. Here too.
Shell too, shell too, but just because y'all was talking about
it. Sorry.
So out of the we don't have a crystal ball, we don't know
who's getting fired, but out of the football season and names
that we've seen that we think may not end the year in stellar

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conditions, who and take James Franklin's name out.
And I would probably say take Shane's name out because we
already talked about that. But other coaches who
potentially will get fired this year out of those coaches or
what schools do you think would be a good fit in Virginia Tech

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if we hired a coach that was fired, that's not fired yet?
Like we say, Luke Fickle, Mark Stoops, Mark Novell, trying to
think of some other names of people who may be gone.
Hugh Freeze, I don't know, man, he's very unlucky this year.
But Hugh Freeze, man, just I'm just thinking of screw Saturday.

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Night Hugh Freeze wears out his welcome so fast that.
Everything. They haven't been Auburn to fire
him. Every game that Auburn has lost
this year, he has got screwed. He made a deal with the devil.
I'm telling you, if you go back and watch that Oklahoma game, he
got screwed. If you go back and watch that

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Georgia game, they screwed him acouple times.
Oh, and I can't remember. Who you ever seen, you ever seen
the ball in somebody go and break the plane of the goal line
and somehow get ruled A fumble? I walked in on that late
Saturday night. No, it's just like, that's a
touchdown. It's fumble that.
Would have been seven. That would have been 17.
Oh. It should have.

(01:36:31):
Wanted to have time and and. And that would have changed that
game. Yeah, everybody could.
And and if you say screw who? Signetti ain't coming here,
buddy. Signetti ain't coming.
Here I'd I'd love him to. Come here.
We had. Our team.
We fucked. It up but but by the way,
Signetti is on the bigger and better things my friend.

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Signetti was a You probably would have hired Signetti if
Fuente hadn't failed because youwere scared off of G5 coaches
with the whole Fuente situation.And so you ended up going a
little more conventional route, but you went a conventional
route that still. Had the risk.

(01:37:12):
Associated with it because he had never been a head coach
before. No, but you know what he hired a
first time coordinator on both sides.
You know, another one that that like, believe it or not, 2021
was definitely on our radar. And now he's he's likely going
to get fired in the next couple weeks.
Billy naked and and and people are going to scream now he

(01:37:36):
fucked up Florida. I think Florida is the toughest
job in the country, Barnum, I think.
Florida is a hard place to the culture win.
It's a hard place to coach and win.
It's also a place that thrives on getting really good recruits,
in my opinion. If you look at what Napier did

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at Louisiana, that's usually where you start telling if
they're a good coach or if they're just.
He did it three straight seasonsdown there, 1110 and 12 down in
Louisiana. What does that probably mean if
you wanted that many games in G5?
Because you ain't got the most talent anyway usually.
You have a little bit probably. Comes if you told me tomorrow or

(01:38:23):
fired Billy Napier and we're going to hire and I know a lot
of people would be like God damnleftovers, God damn retreads and
he just wanted the right place and he just wanted the right
place. That's that's something to
always think about. Sheldon, anybody else?
I feel like you're reading something.
Is anybody else maybe going to be on the hot seat that if they

(01:38:48):
got fired, you'd be like, yeah, he can come in and probably be
successful? Yeah.
I was just looking at some of mymy coaches in the, the database
I built up. I mean, I, I personally don't
think going after, you know, sitting powerful coaches, in
most cases it's the smartest idea.

(01:39:08):
When you look at some of the numbers, it's actually not, you
know, the most fruitful decisionor like the most, you know, the
success rates for those coaches don't are way lower than you
think they would be. You know, G5 coaches tend to do
a little bit better actually. So that's why I mentioned guys
like Summerall and sort of feel,you know, kind of wanting those
guys more. I don't know.
I just, I just don't know who, who you would get like, you

(01:39:29):
know, Jake Dickert, Wake Forest,like he doesn't have a super
expensive body of work. You know, Fitzgerald's got some
baggage. I don't know, like it's just
not, it's, it's not the, the, the group that I would be really
targeting the most. I, I, I for more proven guys who
have prior experience and I justthink you're going to find more
of those guys at the G5 level personally.

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What about Charles Huffman? Yes, Charles Huff.
I, I think he was actually a very good recruiter at Penn
State. He was one of Penn State's best
recruiters when he was there. So that's also.
You know, a plus. Man, if you got to hear like
Charles Hough, you got to have agood brain.
You see how big that man's head is?
He's like Megamind. Hey no, he played in Hampton

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too. Played in Hampton.
But you know, the other thing with us now, if we take a look
at him is look, we did it partial.
Somebody put on there. He did call out the AD because
he said he wasn't getting fundedenough.
They're like, OK, he can leave and next thing you know, he's
already having a good season. He's already he's four and two
down at Southern Mississippi in driver's seat for the Sunbelt,

(01:40:35):
that division. Yeah.
I mean we. We.
Knew this was when he left. We knew there.
Was a weird situation in Marshall.
Because of the way the previous coach had left.
And then we saw what happened with Huff.
So like Marshall have some problems maybe even deeper than
Virginia Tech's when it comes toathletic department structure,

(01:40:57):
having a plan, money, all those things.
They've got some problems on that front.
So like Huff leaving and moving on to what was considered at
best, a parallel move doesn't really, really surprise me too
much because it sounds like, youknow, they've got some some big
problems, especially in the in the sport of football, if not
kind of across their athletic department there.

(01:41:19):
Yeah, and, and we don't. And the whole thing is right
now, what else is going to open up?
Because Florida could come open.Some people I've saw people keep
telling Michigan's going to comeopen.
Man, this, this could be one of the biggest years in terms of
just overall head coach openingsthat we've seen in forever,

(01:41:40):
which is probably not great for us because a lot of these jobs
are, are pretty high profile. Whether it's in the ACC, there's
you're going to be a couple, potentially a couple SCC jobs
open already. You got a couple, you know, Big
10 jobs that will be open more than likely.
So I mean, it's going to be kindof the wild, Wild West.
I'm hoping that we are high enough in the pecking order

(01:42:03):
based on what we can offer financially, where some of the
other stuff doesn't matter as much.
And then you got to think about we, all we've had on tonight are
current head coaches, right? I don't think we've mentioned a
coordinator, and I don't think anybody wants a coordinator
hire, but there's also quite a few head coaches not coaching

(01:42:26):
anywhere right now. I'm very shocked somebody put
Jon Gruden's fucking name in thefucking chat tonight.
No, no, it might be a little bitmore intelligent than I thought.
We did not see Jon Gruden in there.
Thank the. Lord, somebody asked about Jimbo
a couple weeks ago. I do not want Jimbo.
Jimbo needs to get somewhere like Arkansas.

(01:42:46):
Jimbo, Jimbo needs to go somewhere.
I mean, Jimbo wears out his welcome pretty fast as well.
Like we see him, he comes in, hehe starts the fire and then he
he puts it out himself and gets the fuck out of dodge and let
leaves everybody else hand in the ashes.
You mean to you like if, if, if I'm the player's parent just
because of what he's done with quarterbacks, I tell Michigan

(01:43:10):
like just go hire him for the three you paying my son all this
money? Go hire the the guy who could
put some quarterbacks in the league because he has been a
good offensive coordinated quarterback coach for the most
of his career until Michigan comes open.
I mean that that that day it's going to whim on what Underwood

(01:43:30):
wants to do. Underwood's probably going to
get conduct interviews for that head coaching position as much
as they're paying. Luckily we do not have that
problem or unwelcome. We have had that problem but.
Hey, just real quick, I want to address something right quick.
I know we're getting ready to get out of here because I see
Eric has joined the chat and he's asking a couple of

(01:43:52):
questions about why people want wit fired and he's made some
great highs and you know other stuff besides football that
don't fucking matter. Eric, football is the cash cow.
You cannot hire 3 bad coaches orthree coaches that don't work
out in football at most schools.He can do great in basketball,

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baseball, swimming, wrestling. They are not generating money in
those sports. For the most part.
Football is driving the bus. You need AAD that is focused on
making what makes you money better and he hadn't done that,
so he's got to go. That's why everybody.

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He also has not brought those sports to a point where you're
at least winning national titlesin either.
Like if if we were, if we had a couple national titles to show
for the fact that football is falling the fuck off.
I think you could make a case of, Oh well, he re prioritized
and we're seeing the fruits of that labor.
We're not really seeing the fruits of that labor.
I mean, more or less, with a couple exceptions, the athletic

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department is only a little bit better than his predecessor.
Top to bottom, there's only one sport.
Yeah. So only one sport that is.
But football is significantly worse during his tenure.
So at the end of the day, football brings the dollars.
Basketball and and women's basketball were #2 there.
But the outside of a one run, I mean, those, those teams haven't

(01:45:24):
really, you know, been world beaters in terms of deep runs
and things that are getting youryour athletic program national
attention. So at the end of the day,
there's not a lot to show for him doing so good in these other
sports. And football has fallen all the
way off. I mean.
So yes, you got to get it fixed.He did hire foot.

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He also extended it. He also didn't fire.
When it was time to fire, he made a Really his hiring Fuente
was probably maybe the cherry ontop.
But as soon as all of Frank's players left, all those old
heads got off. It went like this and then he
had a Heisman type quarterback that somehow he ran out of town.

(01:46:07):
Yeah, well, I think the other thing went to him.
He. Was a good coach, there's no
question. About that.
That's the thing though, and andwhat Dwight was saying earlier,
he's like the coach is important.
Yes, that is, but he talked about you still have to be able
to do the other things. And one part of being a coach is
being able to recruit the state that you coach in.
The other part is being able to bring in money for the program.

(01:46:29):
If you can't do those things, even even if you're not doing it
at the elite level. Like one one of the one of the
things Pride did pretty well, hehit the ground running
recruiting and he was able to talk to donors.
Now, he didn't necessarily knockit out of the park with donors,
but he was able to have conversations with donors that
at least got the needle moving. From a financial standpoint,

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Fuente couldn't do that. You can't.
You've got to be able to coach, but you can't just be a coach.
Not not if you're if you're AP4 coach, you can do that at G5.
You can't do that in the P4. Hey, I got to give a shout out
right quick. I'm pretty sure it's my Barber
is in the chat tonight. Dave the Barber is my Barber.

(01:47:11):
Yes, yeah, that's my Barber, man.
Dave the Barber, that's my guy. So he's joined us tonight at
Don't look at me right now. I got to go visit him.
It was homecoming week for Alabama A&M.
He was booked up. Shame on Dave for being booked
up. He stays.
Booked up today's. Good, but that's my guy.
He put up Jed Fish. I don't know, man.

(01:47:34):
I mean, I would like to see a little bit more wins, but you
know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
Not saying he and a good coach, I think he's done a decent job
at the stops he's been at at Washington now.
So yeah, that's another name just that I hadn't hadn't seen
anybody bring up so but shout out to my Barbara David.

(01:47:55):
Barbara David, All righty. We got anything else to wrap up
tonight? It's been a good one.
I love the discourse in the chat.
I love folks opinions. I love it when I agree with
them. I love when I disagree with
them. It's what makes it fun.
It what makes it a lot of fun. Yeah, and I mean like even if if
we disagree what you're talking about, I appreciate y'all

(01:48:15):
jumping in there and and lettingthose opinions be heard.
I think it makes what we do moreinteresting.
It does. So we appreciate that engagement
and keep it coming, man. Definitely, man, definitely
appreciate any time that we do this, man, everybody's always,
you know, coming through with some good stuff and some good
discourse. So we appreciate y'all.
We appreciate y'all for hanging in that.
We know how hard it is to stay up late.

(01:48:39):
If you old like us, you want to be in the bed.
It's starting to get cold, you start to get that arthritis in
your knees. But instead you stay up and you
listen to BCP. We appreciate that.
We appreciate y'all hanging out with us.
We appreciate y'all coming on, putting your name on some
coaches, you know, being one of the Co hosts with us today
because Shelton has been preoccupied.

(01:49:02):
But that's OK, We still love it,hey?
Jay Lane had a big catch, by theway.
OK, Jay Lane in the building, another person that we wasted in
college. But shout out Jay Lane.
Shout. Out Jay Lane with with that with
that wonderful little monologue by Jonathan Talley.

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