Know the Enemy: Cal

The Hokies come off a much needed bye week geared up to host the 5-2 Cal Golden Bears. With the schedule only getting tougher in November, Virginia Tech will need to take care of business in Lane Stadium on Friday if they hope to add to their win total in 2025. We also make our Big Screeners picks of the week.

Episode Transcript

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moments on the party. What is going on?
See. Man, it's been a busy week, but
I'm here already. It's been a busy week, but it
you know, it's Tuesday. We're here.
It's Tuesday night. It's it's only Tuesday.
It's only Tuesday. But you know what?
I'm I'm living the dream, man. We all are living the dream,
whether we know it or not, whether how busy we are with our

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normal lives. Clearly Shelton and Tally not
here tonight lot going on in their lives as well.
So, you know, sometimes we got to throw it back, kick it old
school two men style. And that's what we're going to
do tonight. Just me and Brian here to we're
not telling the truth about anything.
We can tell some lies maybe later on in the program.
We're going to tell a little lies after.

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We can tell some lies later on in the.
Program. But we're going to start
obviously tonight with Know the Enemy as the Cal Bears roll into
Blacksburg on Friday night. 730 ESPN.
So pretty big national game spotlighting us in the two and
five season. Wonderful show.

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Us what we wanted, exactly how we threw it.
Up exactly. So yeah, let's let's talk a
little bit about these Cal Bearsand getting to know them a
little bit more. And I'm going to say some real
quick Brown before we get into offense or defense.
I keep. Hearing everybody saying, well,
they ain't played nobody, ain't played nobody and they're five

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and two. They ain't played nobody though.
Y'all we played Whopper, Old Dominion, Wake Forest and NC
State and we're two and five. Don't say this whole they ain't
played nobody. They're five and two.
I wouldn't give anybody part right now to be 5:00 and 2:00,
but you know, I'd shave my head or something to be 5 and 2.
Hey, Curtis, you could probably throw USC East in there in that

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haven't played anybody category at this point.
So. I mean, the way the way their
season's going, they're not stacking up to be much better
than Wake Forest. Oh, oh, maybe not, but either
way, y'all, your record is what you say you are.
They're five and two, and JustinWilcox, who's been there for

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eight seasons, it does not seem like he's been there for eight
seasons. I feel like it's like yesterday
he was at Boise State, right in Boise State for.
Yeah. Only in Boise State they feel
like he was Boise State. Like right there sounds right.
It sounds right. Correct us if we're wrong.
Yeah, if we're wrong, please correct us.
But you know, he counted off a six and seven season last year.

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He made some changes to his coaching staff and probably the
biggest and the most noteworthy name was he hired Brian Larson,
another former Boise coach. He'd been down at Auburn.
Harson was an offensive guy backthen or, or has always been an
offensive guy. Now he's EOC and you know,
Brian, just I know you, you do your research, you you figure it

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out, but what what do you feel is different or what do you just
from reading and maybe watching a game or two?
I tried to stay up last Friday night.
That just won't happen. I saw the highlight of what
happened at the end of that game.
But, you know, what do you thinkhe's brought to the table for
Justin Wilcox to, you know, to be playing pretty good at 5:00

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and 2:00? Yeah.
I mean the big thing that you that you're seeing, I mean that
this is, you know, Harsens offense is always kind of a
physical downhill run game, veryprostyle passing attack.
Lots likes to use a lot of quickpasses and then take some shots
downfield. They've just been, you know,
pretty efficient, especially having a freshman quarterback.
You know, you get you get a little headaches going along

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with that, but you brought in a guy that's really good to run
that type of system and you got a a pretty solid elusive back in
the backfield. And they do a lot of good job
using using motion and things like that play action to to
really create some mismatches inthe secondary.
So it's definitely a a pretty dynamic offense that you got to

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kind of keep under wraps here. Yeah, and real quick on Justin
Wilcox, he was at Boise from O 6to 9 stops at Tennessee,
Washington, USC and Wisconsin before he got the cow job.
So it has been a long ass time since he's been to Boise State.
People get certain stigmas and Harson was obviously there back
before he got the Auburn job andhe had been there for quite a

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while. But you know, 14 to 20s when he
was there, then went to Auburn. That was a cluster.
God, Eric. Eric, you let me down, man.
I think if I had an adult beverage right now, I might doze
out on you, Brian. It's been been one of those long
weeks already. But let's say a few of the the
key players on that offensive side of the ball and and the

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first one I want to talk about is the quarterback, the true
freshman. Yes, that's right Y'all I said
true freshman Jerome. I'm not trying to pronounce any
other part of his name. I'm not there you go.
So first of all, his reading up on him this week and maybe I can

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remember from last year. It was crazy.
So his back story is he was committed to Cal for it seemed
like forever committed to Cal Way on July of 2024.
Stuck with it basically until signing day.
What's his commitment to Oregon?OK, makes sense, right?

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Oregon's bigger Nike Landing coming off a great season.
He enrolls December 27th, he entered the portal January 3rd
of 2025, and then he commits to Cal two days later, January 5th
of 2025. Little indecisiveness from the

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young man, but you know what Brian statistically was, he's
absolutely balled out so far this year in in multiple
different things. You know, you just look at him
in general to be a true freshman, he's already right at
1700 yards, 10 TDs, 7 picks, right over 61% passing and hold

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on, where's Sheldon? Sheldon made me a little note of
some of the offensive stuff. Appreciate it.
Shelton, it helps out man. And if you look at his like PFF
grade, his passing grade is a 77to be a true freshman, to be
bordered on that 80s. You know, Sean's always telling
y'all where it is. When you start getting to the

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higher 70s, you're proving yourself pretty damn good.
Now 63 good size 2O5 Brian just from looking research and
reading what, what what do we what do we know about it?
Well, the the first thing that I'm thinking is that, you know,
he did all his visits when it was not a Eugene OR winner and

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he got up there and he's like, fuck this, I'm going to
Berkeley. That's the only thing that I
could think could happen there. But yeah, I mean, this is AI
mean, as you stated, man. Highly touted guy, elite arm
strength, ability to throw from a lot of different platforms.
Really good deep ball, got a quick release, good touch.

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You know, really the only thing you got to work on.
I mean, he's a freshman, so mechanics, especially lower
body, could get better. You know, really inconsistent
with that. And, you know, will occasionally
make a mistake here or there with the football, but there's
not really a whole lot to critique as far as his overall
ability. This guy can sling it.
And and for the most part this season, with the exception

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really of that San Diego State game, which seems like an
anomaly now for them in the Dukegame, but Dukes played pretty
solid this year. He's had a pretty good season.
And and and The thing is, he washighly counted.
Brian. I mean, he was the number seven
quarterback in 247 rankings lastyear.
He was just about a five star like.
And and then so let's get upset real quick, hokey fans.

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How did Cal Gomez get a five star other than he's from Hawaii
and it's the closest one of the closest universities.
But for real, like the question is how long do they keep him?
Is it a Francisco Mendoza thing where next year he's not a Cal?
I mean, very likely it could be.I mean, this is a guy that's I

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think showing all of the abilityin the world in year 1,
definitely showing the potentialwhere he could lead a College
Football Playoff team with the right pieces around them.
So I can definitely see him making a big jump after this
year. I mean, he's put it on wax at
this point what his abilities are.

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He's definitely not holding themback at all.
Obviously at 5:00 and 2:00, that's a good record, you know,
even before you start digging into who they played.
But yeah, I think I think he's shown the ability there.
We'll see how how things kind ofwrap up down the stretch here as
he gets into a few more heavy hitters on the defensive side.

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But, you know, he's done everything I think he can to
kind of prove himself as a potential to make that big jump.
Yeah, and and they do after the tech game this weekend.
It's UVA, it's Louisville, it's Stanford, and then it's SMU.
So really after this week, it's three of four pretty tough
games. Stanford's always rivalry game,

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always a great game, so going tosee a lot more about him.
All right, let's flip it over. Let's talk about it because you
mentioned it with Harsens on offense, downhill Russian attack
and they found them something that is a East Coast product in
Kendrick Raphael, former member of the NC State Wolfpack out of

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Naples, FL class of 2023. Right out of four-star when he
came out and even at NC State kind of being in a supplementary
role the last few years before he came down to Cal had been
very solid. You know, averaging over 4 1/2
his first season, averaging almost 5 1/2 his second season.

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And you know some, you know, 20 receptions, give or take a few
there. But he decided to transfer to
Cal and he is, there is no one even close.
And I say that very honestly, Brown, there is no one even
close getting the workload he is.
He's already at 115 carries, almost 500 yards through seven

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games. What are you seeing on tape from
Kendrick there? Yeah, I mean, they really kind
of have a, you know, they got a couple guys that kind of do a
little bit different things. But I mean, when you look at
Raphael, he's the home run guy. He's the speed guy really quick
as well. You might describe him as Cat
like can, can, can shift real quick, make people miss, but

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also has some breakaway speed tofinish those long runs.
Dynamic guy, you know, he can do, he can do a little bit out
of the backfield in the passing game.
Pretty decent blocker for a smaller back.
So he really does a whole lot tomake that offense hum and and
kind of fill in the gaps when they're when they're not able to

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throw the football down the field.
Yeah, and and you talk about thethe pass blocking is not the
greatest, but again, you start looking at it, he's really only
out of the game. What, maybe 1015 * a game?
Not like there's not. Effectively.
He's a good enough pass block even though the grades are out
there. It's below A50 in PFF.

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He's good enough at his size andcan catch the ball well enough.
They're not They don't. Just if you see him come off the
field, it doesn't mean guaranteed it's going to be a
shot play. Yeah, it's not an absolute
liability there, you know, on that front.
And like I said, because he's onthe field, he gives you another
potential gadget in the offense that a defense has to be aware

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of in those passing situations. Yeah, and if y'all are
wondering, in those first two seasons at NC State, 20
receptions, 137 yards and he's already got 10 reception this
year, right at 50. Good for you 5423.
Good for you. It's best for dear 2024.

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Best seats I ever sat in. Could hear people screaming spit
coming out of mouths when you'rethat close.
It's unbelievable. But but he's already, again,
he's already shown the dynamic that he can catch it out of the
backfield. He's not quite at the yard per
catch he was at NC State. But I think that's just maybe

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more of a Brian Parson thing, not necessarily a Kendrick
Raphael thing. Yeah, I think the way you know,
Harsens dialing it up as far as getting the the ball to the
running back a little bit different.
It's it's a little bit more schemed versus kind of a
consistent just like dump off and let the running back do its
thing. So he's not getting a ton of

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targets there, but he's doing doing a decent amount with with
the ones that he's getting. Right before we get the wide
out, Brian, tell me what you sawfrom the line because again,
Shelton shipped over some gradesto us and it seems like their
tackles little bit better than their guards, especially when it
comes to run blocking. Yeah, I mean, and, and some of

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that's kind of a product of I think the the style of Harsens
run game. But yeah, the, the tackles
definitely carry there. And and you can kind of see it
when you when you look at the 2 running backs and you, you
seeing that the, the shift to your guys get a lot more
carries, a lot more yards that they're getting outside a little
bit more. They're not necessarily rammed
it in there between the tackles pretty consistently.

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So that's where they're going tohave most of their success is
kind of at the edges kind of offtackle that type of deal.
And then with with Raphael's runstyle, obviously you're not
going to be pounding him inside zone every day sometimes
obviously, but you, you, you're not renewing what?
You're you're mixing it up. You're you're you're keeping a
pretty steady mix of inside and outside.
And you know, I think he he doesOK inside, especially for that

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frame, but he really can, you know, make guys miss with that
off tackle one cut type deal. All righty.
So a little bit on the other line there.
Let's talk about the two weaponsbecause or the two wide receiver
weapons because to me these two guys really stood out and they
are polar opposites of what theydo.

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The first one is Jacob the Jesus, basically a JUCO product.
He's like 5 foot, maybe 5 foot 8if they count him when he's in
the 9 inch, the 9 inch spikes a few little bit there.
He's like 175 lbs, but you know what, you need to get the ball

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out quick on an outlet, get a couple yards up field.
He's your guy. He's already at 47 receptions.
He's only averaging like like right at 8.
So not big. But you know what, sometimes you
just need to get the ball out and get 3 or 4 yards versus
taking a sack. And it seems like that's what he

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does, Brian. Yeah, man, when you think of a
like college football slot receiver, like that undersized
slot receiver kind of a gadget player, this this is that guy.
You know, versatility is definitely the defining trait.
Use them a lot on jet sweeps. They, they, they've got him, you
know, running a lot of those short routes, you know, setting

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up some of the deeper shots downfield and, and he really
eats in in, in those ranges. He's he's also really good as a
return specialist as well. So he does a little bit of
everything and, and he's kind ofthe the motor, he's the guy that
kind of gets those chains moving, gets the sticks moving
and gives defenses something extra to think about.
And I'll say this real quick, hewas a JUCO product when he first

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came out. He went to UNLV for two years
before he transferred to Cal this year.
So you know, you've got that. The other guy, his name is
Trond. I've never heard of that name.
Tron. Tron Whistle.
Tron, Aaron. Nobody's seen it this week.
But no we'll. See, we'll see.
Tron for sure. Tron grizzle.

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Tron Grizzle. That's an all time college
football. Name that is an all time college
football name. It's not even the joke.
Man. Basically unrecruited unheralded
out of Utah when he came out. Cal was it.
So probably a smart guy if he wasn't got good at football to
get into Cal. But as far as build goes, I mean

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64205 big guy and I mean definitely they're downfield
threat averaging almost 17 per catch, 24 receptions, 400 yards.
He's almost got to pace his feetwith almost half of the near
reception. So what?
What is? What's his deal when he gets out

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there? As you've already figured it
out, he is the downfield threat.He is catching the ball
downfield. He is the guy that is stretching
the defenses. And when you look at him, I
mean, he's not. A speed demon, but he's one of
those guys with those long strides that kind of just walk
away from you, even if they're only running like a like a 4546

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and, you know, uses that big body to to get position, come
down with jump balls and and been really effective deep down
the field for the for the Cal offense this year.
Yeah, but the crazy thing is Carolina, he was shut out for
the first time all year. But up to that point, though, he
was roughly a four or five everygame, averaging somewhere

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between 15 and 20 plus yards a game.
So, you know, that was a funky Friday night game.
And basically they should have lost.
They should have, I mean, couldn't happen to a better
school or, you know, better headcoach did that ball just went
through the back of the end zone.

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But they did shut him down from that perspective.
So it was kind of interesting tosee that.
Anything else, anybody else thatcaught your eye?
I know I wanted to hit those guys because it seems like if if
those guys are going Cal summon.Yeah, man, you hit all the high
points there, man. Yeah, those are the guys that we

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got to slow down. If if we don't slow those guys
down, it's going to be a long day for the Hokies.
And obviously when you look at what we've lost on defense and
what we haven't been doing well most of the year, it's kind of
spooky because we lost most of our elite pass rushers or, or
our best pass rushers and we lost probably our three best,
you know, cover guys. So you lose your three best pass

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rushers and three best cover guys.
That's going to be a long day for the coverage unit on on
defense there. So not great at all.
Let's flip over to the defensiveside of the ball where Brian
Brian Parson was brought in. He took place of Mike.
I butchered this guy's last namea few months ago, but y'all

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know, that's kind of something Ialways do.
But basically Parson came in as a new OC and the long standing
DC who had been with Wilcox, Peter Sermon departed and went
to the New Orleans Saints as a linebackers coach.
And with that being said, he promoted Terrence Brown, right

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and then brought in big DeSoto as Co defensive coordinators for
their first year. And Brian, I watched a little
bit of, I couldn't stay away forthe whole thing, for the
Carolina game. And the craziest thing I saw, so
I probably watched the first quarter and I saw five man
fronts. I saw a two man front with stand

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up edges, outside linebackers. I saw a traditional 4 and I saw
at 1.3 down line. I'm saying they're multiple.
They're they're going to mix it up.
I mean it's a it's a 425 base, but they're going to kind of mix
up the fronts they're throwing at you.
They'll go with that three man front on, you know, nickel dime

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packages, you know, long yardagedowns there.
But you know, primarily it's going to be a base 425.
The ends can can have a little flexibility there as far as
whether they they drop them backin coverage, whether they're
stand up handed, the dirt, things like that.
But I mean, this is a, it's a scheme built on being
aggressive, being physical and, and they want to attack and

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force turnovers and. They are forcing turnovers
because the first guy, and this is another all name team,
they've got multiple all name team guys.
He was a transfer and before he decided to make his way all the
way to Cal, he was at Florida International.

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Hezekiah Masses this season so far has four interceptions, 9
past deflections on top of 26 tackles.
He's basically, I think if I canget it up here, he's like he's
your average 61195 corner, but he's Hawking balls and getting

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to the spots in just about everygame this year.
Yeah, I mean, he had he had a good year last year with with
FIU and I mean, he's just come over and kept it moving, man.
Yeah, a lot of breakups, a lot of interceptions and and he's
just a guy that's going to attack the football.
You know, sometimes he gets a little aggressive that that can

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happen, that can get him out of position.
But he's he's very sound for themost part in his technique and
he does a really good job of driving on the ball and making
big plays in the secondary. Yep and like like I said, 9 past
deflections already. He had a couple against UNC, did
not get a pick against UNC, but it's got a pick in four other

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games this year. You know where we are
offensively right now. Like I wouldn't be shocked if he
got one Friday night. Yeah, it's it's wild because
every every time this year so far, you know, knock on wood,
every time we've highlighted a corner that is a ball hawk, they
haven't hurt us. So maybe maybe the maybe

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fortunes going our way a little bit here.
Now, we did get hurt by some other guys in some of those
games, but the ball hawk that wehighlighted did not hurt us in
those games. But you know, hopefully we'll
we'll we'll not see masses take over this game and make what's
already going to be a struggle bus for our defense even harder
by giving that offense a short field.

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Got to take care of the footballparamount in this game because
that offense is going to score some points.
We know the state of our defenseand how quality that of the
opponent that they are. Offensively, they're going to
score some points. So we've got to be efficient on
offense. We got to control time
possession and we can't give theball to masses. 100 percent,

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100%. Well, let's flip over.
Talk about the middle of that defense and let's talk about
Kaylee Kade Ulabe. First of all, I I again, it's
because it's most interesting inmy mind.
UNC poor running back quarterback just left him and
just got him murdered. A new lab A was the individual

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coming downhill on that little swing pass and popping the shit
out of him. So the lab a a Utah kid when he
came out had offers Cal Boise, Duke, Fresno.
So not a terrible offer list. And in his time at Cal,
basically, if you take a look, pretty much in a starting role

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this season. So for 62 tackles, 7 1/2 for
loss, 5 past deflections, a sack.
I mean, it seems like you kind of need to do it all linebacker
and especially 1. That's mean and good.
He's a guy. Yeah, man, I I was doing some
some research on him and like they talk about, you know, NFL

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comps and and like drew tranquilcome up.
It's like I can I can I can workin yeah, 4334.
Obviously he's running in a fourtwo, just a range.
You guys sideline to sideline. Good.
Chase can cover running backs and tight ends one-on-one with
ease, comfortable in man end zone coverage.

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So he's got good flexibility that he'll never be in a
position where he feels uncomfortable or out of position
and things like that. So and when he hits you, he hits
you, you know you've been hit. Yeah, like that, that was a
highlight. Like, that was one of the things
I woke up Saturday morning and saw was that hit more than a few

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times. I mean, and I'm sure there were
probably some other plays where he laid it on.
But you know, again, he's doing his part in that defense.
There's a reason that I mean, they're not that bad of a
defense, y'all? Like they're like 52nd overall,
so slightly above average, 44th against a run, like 56 against
the past. They're what doesn't stand out

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just from looking at tape and stats and data is they're not
really a big sack team because even with a new system, some
different schemes up front, I mean they have roughly, I was
doing math here like maybe 10 1/2 sacks and go get that exact

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data. So if they don't have that, it
takes ball Hawking, it takes disciplined linebackers, and it
takes the last guy we're going to talk about here, which is
again, yeah, I should have got pronunciations on everybody but
didn't make that thought. Aiden Keanaya, so close, 63320,

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definitely interior defensive lineman.
Originally went to Notre Dame back in the class of 2020.
So he was a COVID class guy and transferred to Cal back in.
Get the exact year here. Transferred to Cal in 2024 and

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last year 2024. Not this year.
He was the 4th highest rated PFFdefensive tackle in the ACC and
last year as we know from havinga ME as peoples, there were some
damn good defensive tackles in the ACC this year.
Kind of carrying it on 24 tackles, not a 90 TF, LS or

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sacks. But I think he's got a job to do
Brian, right? Yeah, man, he's he's taken up
the middle man. He is the strength of that, that
front and he controls the line of scrimmage.
He's got really good technique, great gap integrity, wins
one-on-one matchups consistentlysheds blocks.

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Well, you know, he's really got all the tools you want for an
interior lineman and, and, and he's really showed out.
I mean, I, I know he came off anACL, was recovering from that.
And yeah, he's really, really showed out so far this year.
He really only weakness in his game.
Sometimes he can lunge and overextend, you know, take

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himself out of a play. But you know, there's not a ton
of things to critique with him. He does a lot of things really
well. Yeah.
And and the one thing that I cansay just it's, it's about Cal in
general, because Cal was six andseven last year.
Seems familiar, right? And Wilcox had been there for

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eight years. He kind of made overhaul changes
to his entire staff too, broughtin Harson, experienced offensive
guy, former head coach, seems like a lot.
Brought in a defensive coordinator.
He's took someone on staff and then brought in another guy from
outside. And so far for them, it, it
seems to be working out where they finished the season.

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I don't know what me and Brown were mentioning.
Well, they got UVA after Tech. They get Virginia's
back-to-back. Well, that game's going to be on
the West Coast. I told Brown I got a sneaking
suspicion that's going to be an 11:00 PM kick.
So but but like Brian, just justlooking, why is it working?

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Is it just Wilcox? I mean, Wilcox is a good head
coach. There's I don't even doubt about
that. He may not be top tier, but he
knows how to coach. Well, I think you benefit a
little bit with promoting Terrence Brown, Co defensive
coordinator. He is the one that's calling the
plays there. So you got a guy with that that

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limited some of the potential friction with that coordinator
leaving on the other side of theball.
You bring in a very proven offensive coordinator, guy with
head coach and experience, guy who knows how to be a
professional, knows how it's done, knows how it's done at the
SEC level. So it's it's, it's really, it's

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really interesting that a guy like Harsen would end up, you
know, at Cal and, you know, you know, we ended up with what we
got. I mean, it is what it is.
But you know, they seem to got the better of that exchange
there. And like I said, keeping the the
continuity on defense I think was definitely a big benefit for

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them because there was a good amount of things that were
working somewhat well for them last year.
And I mean, as it stands right now, if you look at their
schedule, there's no reason thisteam shouldn't at least
replicate their final record from last year, if not improve
upon it. Yeah, with us still on the
schedule, a couple other winnable games still on the
schedule. A. 100 percent, 100%.

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So it, it's, it's going to be a tough one on Friday night for
the Hokies. Let's talk about the keys,
Brian. You know, you know, you
obviously looked at some Cal tape.
You know what we are, what's your key?
How? How can the Hokies come out on
top, regardless of what you think's going to happen?

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The Hokies can come out on top by controlling the time
possession and being efficient in the red zone offensively
because they are going to be able to go up and down the
field. I don't have a doubt about that.
So we need to shorten this game.We need to win the turnover
battle and we need to be efficient and scoring touchdowns

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and not kicking field goals whenwe get in the red zone.
Sounds like your Wake Forest game.
Plan pretty much not it's not it's not a lot different I mean
at this point, you know we we know what we are and we know
that this defense is picked apart at this point from a

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talent standpoint overall, especially in the areas that
matter the most, which is getting after the passer
covering the wide receivers. So I think we can hold up OK in
the run game, but if we let Jaron take over this game
throwing the football, it's going to be a long day.
We got to shorten the game when we have the football by running

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the football. Run it early, run it often.
Lean on your running game, lean on your running game.
I will say it one more time, lean on your running game.
It's been the most efficient part of this offense.
You've got a quarterback that can run the run well.
You got 2 solid running backs, as long as both of them are
coming off the bye week healthy run the day in football.

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Run the day in football. I like that, Brian, I do.
But I'll also say something else.
The the other thing that's happened for this team and it's
few and far between, are explosives.
I know that's one of Shelton's biggest things is explosive.
We're not an explosive team and I think that's what hurts
because we can't get big plays when we get down into the 20

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yard line inside the red zone. That's where our struggles are
because so many times this year,how many times have we scored?
But it's been like 10/12/13 playdrives and eventually we can't
get that done 3 to 5 * a game for touchdowns so.
Pop. Pop a couple explosives defense

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just I mean I spent it a couple weeks ago and it's still there
it's red zone defense. It red zone defense is just bad.
When we get down there when theyget down there like in some way
shape or form, we have to stop them and right now again, we're

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the worst in the country, but atleast limited to three.
I like what Steven says here, yet we're some turnovers.
I would say we've got to be +2 to have a shot at this game.
Got to be +2 even does not. I just don't feel good about
even them if they have plus 1 + 2 lights out, lights out.

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I'm I'm lucky all every game on Saturday is in the afternoon
this week. So you know, there's also a
World Series game one to watch. So I'm saying I won't have the
game on, but clearly, oh, look at that, look at that, right,
Like that, like that. Right.
Hey, hey, yeah. So yeah, but what are you?

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What are you thinking? Brian?
What's your prediction for this week?
I like Cal to pull this one off.I'm hoping it's not going to be
as ugly as I think it could be. I'm gonna, I'm gonna lean
quietly optimistic in that I'm going to give us a 3624 loss to

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Cal all. Right.
I'm, I'm kind of not far behind you in that case.
I do think Cal's going to win this as well.
I, I do have to. I think they're more cohesive
because I think they're playing well together again, five and
two and again, for those who saythey play no one, we take five

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wins in a heartbeat. We would, and I think.
Some of us thought we'd have five wins at this point of the
season. Yeah, a lot of people thought
the discussion was when we get here, can we do big things or
can we just sneak into a bowl again?
Well, to sneak into a bowl this year, you got to win this one.
And then basically, well, one ofthose games is looking more

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winnable every week, every single week that goes by that,
that game in three weeks looks alot more winnable.
But it looks a lot more winnable, but it's still a whole
lot more talent on that side of the football than what we're
working with. The only, the only thing that's
working in our favor and even that is the history against the

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quarterback. True, but he got his ass knocked
out against against Stanford last weekend so we'll see.
But 3121, 10 points, it'll be, Ithink it should be an
entertaining game, but I just right now, unless significant
changes have been made, especially on offense, because I

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think defense you're they're just, they're working with what
they've got offense, there's some things they could do.
You don't take that as an interpretation of whatever you
want to take it as, but there's some things they could do that
they have not done yet. So we shall see with that.
All right, real quick, Brian, the the busy week last week and

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we didn't get to talk about it because we were talking about a
coach and search. But what, what, what was your
thought on the NDA? My initial thought is that we
somehow figured out how to lose the bye week.
That that was my initial thoughtand the more I'm hearing maybe
maybe the more it makes a littlemore sense as far as maybe we're

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a little bit further into this thing than I think some of us
think we are. Yeah.
Or at least a little bit furtheralong than I think a lot of
folks think we are in this search.
So it kind of makes sense to go a little radio silent as you
kind of work through things you don't you want to be as
transparent as you can, especially as far as the money

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and the process, which I think we're still struggling with.
I think that's, that's still a, a problem on that front, but as
far as what is happening, I, I don't, I don't need play by play
updates of who you called and who you talked to.
Like we're never going to get that.
That's that's an unreasonable situation.
Also, it gives other people a way to basically, you know, go

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against you potentially, you know, other people can get
information that you don't want them to have.
They can leverage that offeringsand shit like that.
So. The point being, I, I think if
we were, if we'd had a little bit more insight into how the
committee, what their process was going to be like, how the
money was being raised, not having wit go on different,

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different platforms and saying things that I'm not sure he
should have been saying. And I'm not sure that he
verbalized in a way that made sense because it just led to
more questions. But yeah, I, I, I think the
NBA's aren't necessarily bad news, but I'm, I'm not convinced

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they're good news either. I think at first I was like, you
like, Oh my God, what? Why does this have to happen?
But then the week goes on and then it's like, I think it's
what you said. I think it's a lot further.
The reason I think it's needed is a it's a committee approach.

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That's the first thing. Because when it's not one person
making the hires. First of all, why is he still
the AD? Y'all answer that one?
Yeah. We, we, we can definitely have
that conversation, which I thinkwe've talked about enough at
this point. We have it's we've.
Beaten the dead horse. If if you know, on our opinion,
he should have been fired when pride was fired and we'd be

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hiring an AD and then hiring a coach.
But we didn't do that. We're stuck in this purgatory of
it's kind of the AD of everything, but he's not really
doing anything other than the final sign off on football shit
at this point. So, so stupid.
You know, we're we're in this Gray area.
So until he decides to move on, which hopefully is sometime very

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soon. Yeah, the the quicker he goes,
the quicker you can actually maybe get not, I'm not going to
say resolution, but maybe more clarity on situations.
But I, I think the problem the, the problem I have is that it's,
it's, it's a selling point of to, to a degree if wits not here

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for a long haul. The problem that you have is
that you're selling a current situation that could change in
the future and you don't know who your new boss is going to
be. But they're not going to.
That's not going to be their boss.
I, I get there's going to be a structure there, but ultimately
everyone is going to at some point be reporting to the AD,
correct? That's.

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Not what I heard. The way I felt it is there's
going to be two separate silos AD for everything model.
You got a football. You got a football GM that's
reporting the sands. Yeah, I can live with that, if
that, if that's exactly what they're going to do.
But again, we haven't been communicated with enough to know
that that's what the plan is. Until he's gone, John Belen's

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gone and probably to a sense TimSands gone.
I think we're going to probably be more angry than anything.
Yes, Wing Sol's all, but when you see the way it's mismanaged,
where's your confidence level? And I think Bill got on here 2
weeks last week and that's what his thing was.
There's no confidence. I don't trust anybody up there.

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Well, yeah, if I'm a head coach,if I'm a head coach looking for
a job and this is the situation that I'm walking into, the money
is nice and the money will help.And the money, you know, answers
the questions. It fixes a lot of things.
But I really hope that behind the scenes they have a much
better plan than what has been made public. 100% and you hope

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maybe that's why the NDA's had to happen as well because if
somebody when somebody gets hired is going to go bye bye,
well, let's keep that quiet. We don't need to let that leak
out and potentially AD higher going behind.
But I think it's what you said, I think it happened because I
think we are moving a lot quicker to the head coaching

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higher than probably they didn'tthink of.
And again, with that being said,probably more people hopefully.
Crossing my fingers, I roll my eyes that the structures, that
this is how everything's going to happen.
Here's how all the dominoes willfall.
Yep, there you go, athletics president.

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It's two silos now. 2 silos. Truly, the AD here is not
responsible for football anymore.
Therefore you're not going to get the elite level AD because
every AD wants football on theirresume.
Once again, I don't care as longas it's winning.
So there you go. Good point, gentlemen.

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Let's talk about this though. So I like this structure in
theory. I like this structure in theory.
The problem that I have is that at what point does the football
coach become accountable? Because if the football coach is
working it to bring in the GM they want, right?

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And now you've got a situation where your president has to be
plugged in enough to make the decision to fire the head coach
if he isn't getting the job done.
Because that's ultimately what what's going to have to happen
there. Because if you got the the GM in
the pocket of the coach either, I mean, obviously the GM could
lose his job as well. If if if the coach isn't going,
but you kind of have them kind of hand in glove in the

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president of the university, TimSands is going to have to make
that decision if the time comes where something isn't getting
the getting getting done the way.
And I don't think I trust Tim Less.
Name. Trump's the wit.
So yeah. I think the the, the problem
with Tim is that I think Tim is going to be happy with getting

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to a bowl and, you know, beatingUVA.
As long as long as we're sellingout, he's probably not going to
give a shit beyond that. So it's really going to come
down to pressure from the outside to keep him accountable
and keep the coach accountable. There's some, I see some

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theories going off here in the chat.
Sandy Barber, Penn State. You see that from?
Yeah, that's if it's James Franklin.
So, you know, I know we went through that last week.
A lot of people were given theiropinions on that.

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So we shall see how that works. I'm just I'm just trying to put
put some things out. There.
Oh, no, no. Think about man, I'm not
necessarily, like I said, I'm not necessarily like I don't, I,
I think we could still get the right outcome, but I, I don't
have trust in the process through this point.

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So I guess that's kind of where I'm at.
So yeah, the the whole thing that if we don't fuck it up, it
won't be for. Lack of trying.
If, if the next coach wins eightgames this first year, like
it'll be a miracle, It'll be a miracle real quick.
I think we missed this last week. 2 Christians Evans in the

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portal got us four games got us highlight.
Thanks for your service. And, and, and that window is now
closed. So really only five guys.
That's it. Five guys.
Kind of shocking, right? Yeah, a lot of other guys.

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Injured and it's all on defense and it's all in positions that
we didn't really have a lot of depth at to begin with.
So that's the unfortunate side of it is that now UK you've got,
you know, two of your three bestpass rushers in the portal.

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You got probably between injury and portal, you got, you know,
three or four of your best secondary players in the portal.
And it it, it starts to compoundon you a little bit.
I mean, yeah, you got Dante Lovett in there.
Obviously you got Jonkum and Burgos.
Now you've got Christian Evans. I know Thomas Williams has been

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banged up a little bit. So like, we're we're we're
thinning the secondary and we'rethin rushing the passer.
And, you know, at the end of theday, Tucker Holloway and Michael
Short didn't necessarily move the needle a ton.
But they were bodies. But they were bodies.
They were bodies. They were bodies.
They were bodies who could play at a Division One level and.

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Exactly. And there are some guys out
there, they're younger guys and I think they're given full
effort and they're probably not quite there.
But I think the guys behind themare in the same ballpark as a
short or a Holloway, especially just looking at for Holloway
from a wide receiver perspective.
Yeah. 100% on that. All right, what what you want to

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do next, Brian? You want to do a little more
coach talk or you want to get the big screeners up?
Let throw your carousel out there man.
Well, the carousel, the the biggest domino got reset with
Florida going there because Florida is the best job.
Even though they're insane down there.
They're insane. They are.

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You go back to when they fired Mullen and then from Mullen,
they hired Billy Napier. Billy Napier never got off the
ground. And, and, and I've said this on
this program, I've said it in chats, I've said it to people
outside. Wayne Kippen's going to Florida
for one reason. Brian, you, I think you watched

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this Saturday afternoon. I know we did here when we got
back from baseball and from a birthday party.
He put points on Georgia's defense in Athens without much
of a problem. He's missing one thing and that
is elite defensive players. I don't think you can get those

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at all, Miss. I think if he goes to Florida,
that's funny. That's funny, Steven.
If he goes to Florida, I think he gets the elite defensive
players. And I think the way Lane coaches
offense and how he recruits, I think he could win a national
title there. And that's that's the first
domino that calls is is that that means Ole Miss opens up and

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is Ole Miss ahead of us? I think so.
Do you agree with that? Yeah.
I don't think anybody's going todisagree with that at this
point. I mean, basically anyone in the
top third of the SEC is going tobe ahead of us.
Yeah. Now I, I do believe the only
other one ahead of us at this time, at this time, because the

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talks are going all over the place.
You know, the Norbell stuff thathappened, they ain't got $60
million is what the issue is. Because not only are you going
to pay that old coach 60 millionto leave, you're going to have
to pay the new coach. My assumption's going to be
somewhere in the neighborhood, Florida State about 10.

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So 10 million upfront to say $78million.
How are you going to pay for NIL?
Because everybody keeps screaming these guys are going
to be fired. They're going to be fired.
You've got to have the money to pay NIL next year and most of
these coaches in these contracts, example Mark Stoops,
which no one wants. I think Mark Stoops is a good

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coach. They can't buy him out of
Kentucky. You know why they can't buy him
out of Kentucky? They owe him $40 million within
60 days of getting fired. If you have $40 million gone,
guess what you don't have in 2026 if you're Kentucky and the
brand new coach. It's a lot of nil man.
You don't have an NIL budget andpeople can say, Oh no, the the

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money's there. The money's there.
Not when you have to literally take a chunk of your budget and
pay an old coach who's not. I think you could probably get,
you know, one rich donor to front 1/3 of that. 1/3 you.
Know maybe 1/3 of that, but nobody's going to drop 40
million. So you can use the money you
already have as you expected to use it on an IO, Yeah.

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And I think that's that's hindering a lot of people's
decision to getting fired. I don't think it was Napier's.
I think they were trying to legitimately give Napier a
chance. Even though they're crazy at
Florida. I still say that, but his I
think his was like, what was it,18?
I was building Napier buyout. Somewhere in that realm, I I
believe. I mean, it's like he freezes, he

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freezes is only like 16, so 21 million that that's a few
million way, but. I don't think Florida State,
half of Kentucky. Half of Kentucky, 1/3 of Florida
State. Yeah. 1/3 of Florida State.

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Florida State's in a, in a bad spot.
And it's, it's not even to say like, you know, money's funny
over there. Like it's, it's not that the
money's funny, it's that the money's high.
And you, you, you kind of boxed yourself into a situation where
it's going to be hard to make the case to front that money,

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have to go out and get another coach at about a 12 million a
pop. Yeah.
And then still be able to pay enough players to come in to
keep your neck above water in the next season.
The other thing with Napiers he's only owed 10 million within
the 1st 30 days. The other one is the remainder

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is an equal annual installments is probably three years.
So he's going to get 10 mil up front like 3 point something to
pop versus Stoops. And I'm assuming Nord Bells is
way up there because I think if it was half and they could make
the other payments in three to four years, they would.
Yeah. So, but back back to what we

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were talking about there. But if you say like Penn
State's, the next domino has to fall, right?
Yeah, I mean, and you can. Say Florida.
And Penn State are on equal equal footing.
I'd say Florida edges them out. Edges them out SCC and
recruiting territory. But let let me ask you, you read
you, you, you think who's Penn State target because Penn

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State's in the in a worse situation in Florida, because
when you say, hey, Penn State, go hire somebody better.
Who? Who?
I don't know man. So who?
So who? So give me a name right now if
you say this guy would make sense.

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That's one I haven't really thought a ton about as far as
who the next guy could be. I mean, maybe rule maybe, but I
mean, rule has has he's still shown the ability to be
absolutely slightly better than mid.
And I'm not. And I'm not sure if like if his

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ceiling is significantly higher at Penn State than it is in
Nebraska. I don't.
Think it is the whole thing withrule is he had the one season at
Baylor and he has now made an NFL job out of that and he's
made Nebraska out of that. It's pretty impressive. 6 years
ago, the 11 and two season got an NFL job and then got a

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Nebraska. I like this rules the safety
net. Can I can I tell you who I think
would be their number one And Pitt State fans may not like it.
It's my number one for us because I think that from a
different. Culture there yeah.
I mean that that's an interesting one to throw out

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there. I mean, I feel like, you know,
to the point with rule being a safety net, I feel like rule is
like been the guy that's kind ofkept like failing up a little
bit. I mean it's kind of crazy.
He was kind of pulling a a CliffKingsbury there for a while.
Like, you know, all right, we failed here.
All right, get get this better job.

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All right, fail here, all right,get this better job.
And, you know, the wheels finally fell off of that.
But you know, he he he had a pretty soft landing.
But I can see rule kind of beingin the same situation here where
he gets that Penn State job. What about drink wits?
Drink Wits is a really good suggestion there, Jim.
Jim is on it there, I think. I think that's something that I

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think could be a, a, a good movefor Penn State overall.
It's interesting to see like howhe would compare with a rule
from a, from a culture standpoint at Penn State.
Like obviously I think we know, yeah, rule kind of knows the the
lay of the land there. Yeah, that is that's the thing

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why to me Hammer Campbell fit better and drink what's although
drink what's. I mean, last three years
coaching his ass off 11:00 and 2:00 what 10 and three last
year, six and one so far this year and the only loss was to
Bama. Maybe.
But again that I think Drakewoodstays one more year later.

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But but where can he go better? There's only a handful of places
and the question is does his where he because I think he's
Arkansas. I think he's more SWAT.
I'm all start doing things like that.
Lamar, Lamar, I love you. That ain't happening.

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That ain't happening. That ain't happening at all.
I'll say this, could you see Dionne making a move for an NFL
job regardless of who it is? No, I don't.
With the only NFL job he take bewherever Shudoor is.
It would, but who's going to hire?

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I agree, but I mean that would be the.
Browns have done some funnier stuff.
It's. True.
It's true, you know. They they draft, they drafted 2
quarterbacks this year. They did draft 2 quarterbacks
while I already. Had one on the roster.
Well, they got rid of it one andthen that go goes out and
torches on Thursday night, so I think.

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The Browns are a criminally broken franchise, and until they
figure out how to actually builda roster, consistently invest in
their program, invest in what they have and not be OK with
just being average, it's always going to be like that.
It's 100%. So back to where we were.

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We go down and I'm going to skipus.
And so again, I've said Kippen'sopen.
Yep. And they're above us.
I think they're going to swing at one of those two young guys
from the AAC. Put whoever you want to put on
there. All right.
And where do you lean, Silverfield or Summerfield or

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Summerall for Ole Miss? I think Silverfield kind of
matches what they're doing pretty well.
I think you could come in and bekind of grab what they already
have and kind of continue ridingthe wave.
You you could probably say the same thing with Summerall, but I

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think I think Silverfield probably has that by just a
little bit. Yeah, I can.
I can see some you either of them kind of landing in that Ole
Miss Arkansas duo. Yeah.
See, I think Arkansas, there arepeople putting Arkansas above
us. I just don't, like you said, the

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top third. Yes, we're somewhere in the
middle third of especially with the, with the new proposed
budget and everything. And to be Arkansas's bottom
third, it just is. They don't have the budget, they
don't have the resources. If you think about who are they
recruiting against? So if you think about who

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they're recruiting against, well, they're recruiting against
LSU and Louisiana. They're never going to beat LSU.
No. They're recruiting in Texas.
Where where are they? Like 7th?
Probably the pecking order in that area, 7th or 8:00.
And then you look back east, well, it's Tennessee, Tennessee
that's being Alabama, Tennessee.Everybody in the surrounding

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areas reaches into Tennessee. So they're not like, that's not
like their second place to reach.
Like we just go here and get somebody that's it's an SEC,
it's an SEC school. If the SEC could cook them out,
would they? They kick him in Mississippi
State out in 2 seconds. Yeah.

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Say I'm wrong, you know, they they kicked him out and be like
all right, y'all good? Yeah, I agree.
We we good. So yeah.
But it's it is probably in our lifetime because of the
potential of Auburn coming up and then the fallout of where

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other coaches come from. It's probably going to be one of
the more insane carousels we've ever seen because I do think
sitting, I think at least, and I'm not saying G5, I think at
least. Well, I mean, look what happens,

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Gilbert. We talk about Ndas on Monday,
and UNLV looks the worst they'velooked all season against Boise
State. Yeah.
And I mean, if we're talking about that, I mean, you know,
Memphis goes and, and loses to UAB and I, I will say this
there, there's got to be something studied on, on, on

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situations where an interim coach is coaching in their first
game and they get a huge upset win because it feels like it
happens 9 times out of 10. It's true.
It's wild. NC stayed with us, I mean.
Yeah, yeah, they, they were rolling.
They were rolling before the endand we, we messed them all up.

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I mean, yeah, I but I think that, you know, we're we're
going to get closer. As we get closer, more things
will Clark coming to fruition. I still think we're third.
I still think we're third in thepecking order and I think y'all
were great last week. Everybody that came on, I know

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we're not. We don't have a bigger crowd
tonight. A We're coming off a bye week.
Y'all were playing B, we're playing Cal.
B we're playing Cal. Yeah.
Listen, if James Franklin wantedto come here, you can't say no.

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Yeah, I'm at the point now wherelike people keep bringing up the
big game thing, like we, we needto start just being able to win
the games we should win. We haven't done that.
We got to get, we got to get back to playing in big games
and, and, and I mean that in we got to be able to get ourselves
on a platform where we're rankedagainst another ranked opponent.
Whether they're ranked higher than us in that game actually

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fucking matters. And not just yeah, we're, we're,
we're, you know, four and three and playing a ranked opponent
like nobody gives a shit about that.
We we've got to actually there'sgot to be some skin in the game
in that match up for it to be a true big game.
And we haven't been in a ton of those in the last 10 years.
No, we have not. Not at all.
All right, so I'm going to closedown the coaching conversation
because I could go on for hours and hours on that.

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And let's get to picking some games this weekend because
again, it's another fun weekend of games.
If you keeping up with this. Me and Brian are very happy.
We went 500 last weekend. That hadn't happened in weeks.
The hook got. I did.
Have a good week, yeah? Two weeks ago, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I was. I've been.

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I've been above 500 the last twoweeks.
Yeah, so the hook got me on the Notre Dame game.
That game was 10 late, got 9 1/2.
It will kill you every time. But again, another fun weekend.
It was a lot of good games all over the place.

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So let's fire it up. Brian, where are we going first?
Yeah, man. Going to Oklahoma, baby.
Ole Miss heading into Oklahoma, man.
And it's a 4 1/2 line for the Sooners.
And I was looking at this and I'm like, I've liked what I'm

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seeing from this team, so I'm going to ride with the Sooners
here. I think they're going to win by
a touchdown. I I don't really trust Ole
misses defense after what I saw and I think the Sooners are
going to keep. It going, yeah, I'm with you.
I think Oklahoma wins this game because I think Lane knows.
I think his agent gave him a call about 1:15 on Sunday.

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Hey, just just just look at yourphone.
Yep. You see what just came open?
Yep, Matisse back getting healthier every week.
Venables has that defense going exactly like we thought he would
eventually get them going, right?

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I don't think anybody ever questioned that.
Venables always been a damn gooddefensive coach.
So for me, you know, you think about them this year, if I'm not
mistaken. Unbeaten, right?
Unbeaten. I'm not losing my mind, am I?
Oklahoma. Yeah.

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Oklahoma's unbeaten. No, they lost Texas.
They lost the Texas and the teamwas out.
But I think Oklahoma wins this game.
What Shelton and Dallas say. They are riding with Ole Miss.
Bounce back, bounce back. That's.
Right, this is Tally's game. Tally is basically before until

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Shane is either not hired by us or hired by us, he is picking
South Carolina's game every single week.
The upside for him is that he they, they're playing a pretty
decent opponent every fucking week for the.
Rest they are. They are.
Although when we get to when they play coastal, he's going to
pick coastal. Yeah.
But what did what did tally say?Laying 12 1/2, he says take Bama

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Roll Tide. I'm right there with him, man.
I don't trust that offense. Zero and.
And and they're not going to have enough defense for the fact
that I don't trust that offense.100% this is a clean sweep
across the board. Lay the 12 1/2.
Alabama wins by at least 20. I don't say similar to last

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week. They'll get to 10 though. 3110
There we go. Curtis, it's you.
What you what did you say when Ithrew this to you all this
afternoon? I was like, what the fuck are
you doing? I saw the when I saw the line

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pop, I was like, all right, I think you picked this online
vibes. Alone online vibes alone.
I picked this because I watched even though we were in the man
cave here watching a movie on Friday night.
You know, I'm always, I watch a movie in this room or television
shows. There is some sort of sports
going on. Brian's been here.
Brian knows how it works playingvideo games, watching the movie

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and I'm watching that Miami gameand it's like, how do you turn
the ball over 4 times and only lose by three?
That's impressive. Both have you turned the ball
over 4 times? Whether you're a good team or a
bad team, you're losing by double digits.
I think they're going to come back and I think they're going
to absolutely obliterate Stanford because Stanford's

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feeling good about themselves. But they got to travel all the
way from this side of the country all the way to this side
of the country for a night dream.
I think, I think, I think 4815. Shelton is going with.

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Later points. Cardinal Baby.
Points point. Talent and you know what you're
riding solo, baby, you're ridingsolo.
You know what if if it was 27 and a hook, I would, I would
have said, you know what I'll. Bite they can win my 4
touchdowns they they can't win the by the way my put my it's

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kind of funny all look at the letters there SUSS yeah my pick
on this is SUS, but I think Miami dumps is back in a big,
big way a suspect here. There we go.
All right. Shelton went way off the map.
FCA. FCF although a damn good FCS
game the. FCS game, if we're talking about

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it, North Dakota State, South Dakota State.
Bison Jack rabbits Baby Jack rabbits are getting a 4 1/2 at
home. Shelton's riding with the bison.
What? About Tally.
Tally as well you I'm going withthe Jack Rabbits fan.

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I think that I think the home cooking is going to be the
difference in this one. I think these are two teams that
are as closely matched as you can get and I think that home
cooking is going to be just enough.
I think it's going to be about asix point win for the Jack
Rabbits. By the way, just so everyone

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knows, this is #1 versus #2 in the FCS.
Both are undefeated. The game, I was hoping it was
going to be somewhere, it's going to be on ESPNU, but I, I
North Dakota State is always toomuch of A monster and they're

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only laying 4 1/2 And I know South Dakota State have beaten
them in the last few years, but big game in the FCS.
Glad Sheldon pulled it out because he messaged us says, ah
man, maybe we should choose another game.
And I'm like, no, I found a line.
We're picking this game. Yeah, if we got a line on it and
it's. We can find a line we're.
Picking it, we're going to put it out there.
We're going to put it out there.So there you go.

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Built the big screen, Brian. Big screeners.
Always fun. Always fun.
Brian, I told you we won't go that long tonight.
You know what you get to do? It's not even 10:30.
Man. Opening night of the NBA, man,
and your Late Show is playing here in the next few minutes.
Yeah, about to put that bad boy on while I'm falling asleep

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because I will not make it through that one.
Actually, it it was a 10/15 tip.Excuse me?
It's already started, so they just want to throw it up.
Five. Minutes ago, yeah, yeah, I will
not make it through that when I can guarantee.
You. We don't do that.
No more. Not anymore.
It's, it's the, it's the struggles of supporting a West
Coast team. I know you know it and, and, and

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you get it at least on a more consistent basis than I do
because following NBA is a little bit different than NFL
because at least NFL stays on a pretty consistent schedule
regardless of whether it's East Coast or West Coast.
My only hope is it's when I lookat the schedule is they're not
doing double headers on Monday nights because then I know it's
a 10:00 kick and it's like, well, my first thing to check

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the work schedule can I take offTuesday because I will want to
stay up, but I will be sufferingfor it.
But appreciate everybody in the chat tonight chiming in as
usual. Brian, anything to add before we
take it home? I'm.
Ready to kick it, man? Let's do it.
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