Run It Up

The Hokies took much less time turning around their offensive coordinator hire, securing former Auburn Offensive Coordinator and Tulsa Head Coach Philip Montgomery to take over the reins from the departing Tyler Bowen. We diagnose which boxes this hire checks and what we can expect from a Montgomery led offense as Spring practice looms around the corner.

Episode Transcript

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The. And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner podcast along with my partners, Brian Siegel and

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Jonathan Talley, I am Curtis Wilson and we are part of the
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S Main St. in Blacksburg. Fellas, it's good to be back.
Good to be back gentlemen, how we feeling?

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It's snowing down here, That's all I know.
It's snowing. It's, it's, it's snowing there.
It's snowing here. It's.
Snowing. I want to say it's snowing.
It's snowed. It dusted.
There, there's snow on the ground.
Yeah, it dusted. We're actively getting some
action here. Virginia Beach is getting
slammed right now. Well, levar, well levar is levar

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levar down if levar checks in tonight Levar got to tell us how
deep is it where he lives because I know he lives down in
the 75. Talked to the the in laws not
too long ago and they're plus 6 inches last I checked and it
didn't even start till noon there.
It we got like a dusting overnight here.
Had a little bit of break in themorning and then about between

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8:00 and 9:00 it came back with a with a fury and hasn't stopped
since. Wow.
Stuff, man. Wow.
Got the hunger drill shirt on inhonor.
In honor, they're going through it right now.
My, my, my oldest son loves thisshirt by the way, he's like,
he's like dad. That shirt's just so cool.
So you know, and the the other son we got to something y'all

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have in the Canon a few weeks here.
We we, we got to talk to Jay Lane last night.
Me and Brian did, which was super awesome.
And my middle son was hyped. He was like, that's 83, Don't
you play with him on the game? And I'm like, yeah, I do.
So his next question was, who else from the game are you going

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to be talking to soon? Like, I don't know, son.
We'll see. We'll see.
He's he's, he's hyped for it, man.
Hey, we've already had a couple.We already had a couple of those
folks in the game on here already.
I know we had. I'm going to show him that he's
going to get even more hyped. Tally, how's baseball going man?
How cold was it when y'all played yesterday?
Too cold, it was too cold, man. It probably, I think it was,
ended up being maybe like 4042 somewhere around there.

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Too cold for me. I mean it was and most of the
his games are double header so 4:30 and 6:30 type thing and
about that 631 it was rough to deal.
With soon as sun. Went down, it got red.
We got games Friday and Saturday, which they're already
talking about. It may be too cold to play one

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or both of those, so we'll see what's.
Too cold to play in Alabama? Yeah, what's too cold to play in
Alabama? Sub 40 let.
Me see, how can I explain it? I don't know.
I guess if you hit the ball and it jars your hand too much,
that's too cold. I mean, it's no, it's no number.
They're going, they're going to play as as much as they can, but

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I don't know what the number is to when they say it's too cold.
All right, well listen, PT goingto be a college ball player one
day. Tell him when he's in D1 it
don't matter how cold it is theyplay.
Yeah, OK. Tell them you better go 26
playing. Yeah, tell them you better try
to get somewhere where it's warm.
I want to be up north. Florida.

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Go to Florida. Anywhere in Florida that gives
you a scholarship, just go right.
All right. Well, fellas, it's good to be
back together, y'all we've been all three of us we've.
Been there's some weather updates from around the horn
here guys. Let's get some weather.
Updates in here. It's no snow, but it's 10° in
Texas. Oh, we got another here.
Robbie got out of school today for clouds.

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I just need to let us know what part of Texas is that damn cold?
Yeah, Where is it? Up on the Panhandle or
something. It's cold everywhere.
I'd love to hear what's down in the 75 right now snow wise.
So let us know. But it's been a few weeks.
We got a ton to unload tonight. Obviously, we're going to talk
offensive coordinator in just a few minutes here.
We're going to talk about the extension of the ACC contract,

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the playoff talk as well, the House talk, all that stuff, just
because that interests us. But let's talk about what
happened a little over a couple weeks ago.
And Tyler Bone effectively leaves the Virginia Tech Hokies
in the offensive coordinated position, and he takes the
offensive line coach. Hallelujah.

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Head of Ohio State Tally, I toldyou right off.
I'm letting you go first on thisone because six weeks ago.
Let him go. I mean, again, I'll I, if I'm
thinking in my like business mind, I guess if I'm Brett
Pratt, I think Brett Pratt is the problem.

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That's what I think. I think he's the head coach.
I think the problems have fallenon him, whether it's personnel
problems or game managing problems or whatever they are.
I think ultimately it falls on him.
But everybody was so hyped to get rid of Marv and I said we
had just as much problem on offense as we did defense.

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You got everything you wanted back on offense.
I said all this returning production, you got your, you
know, quarterback going back andyou got everything you want on
offense. And we shit the bed every game.
Not one game, not two games, multiple games.
We just look discombobulated to me.

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Everybody said, well, we scored,you know, this many points or we
ranked this. I don't care about rankings if
it doesn't equate to wins. Like if you, if it's situational
football and you're not winning in those situations, it doesn't
matter. So a lot of times we may have
scored, scored 30 when we shouldhave scored 40 or we should have

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scored 50, you know, with what we had and what we could have
done. But again, I ain't, I'm not here
just to bash Tyler Bowen, but hetook another job and I'm happy
that he did. But the thing that makes me
think he took an offensive line coach job, right?

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And he was the offensive coordinator of the worst fucking
offensive line in the ACC. That was not one time you could
look in that room, just pop yourhead in that room and go, hey
man, this shit don't look right.Y'all need to do something?
Different. Like you couldn't say nothing.
I just think a lot of times, man, these coaches just accept
the check. They're checked out.

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Like they don't, they don't care.
They act like they care. I get it.
It's a job. Everybody goes to a job and you
get paid to do your job. But like my wife is a nurse.
I'm not trying to hype up, but she loves her job.
She comes home and she tells me things and she goes to, I've
seen her go to Walmart one time and and buy somebody who was
getting out of the hospital someclothes because they didn't have

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family to get them clothes on the day they were leaving.
So she went and did that. She loves her job, you know, and
whatever they pay her, she is passionate about that job.
Can't say the same about everybody.
But when you're coaching my football team, I kind of want
you to be passionate about it and really want to win.
And sometimes I just feel like we weren't.
And Tyler Bowen is one of the main, if you and I don't mean to

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go on a tangent, but everybody knows that Clemson was one of
the worst, had one of the yeah, they had one of the worst
Russian defenses of anybody thatwe played on our schedule.
And I think we ran the ball likeone time four times, however
many times, 4 times. The running back, I was going to
say it and you can't tell me. Oh, well, you didn't have any

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running back or the running backwas hurt.
You go give kids scholarships and NIL money to come play, put
them on the field. Yeah, put three on the field.
Three of those rushes were with your injured running back too.
Come on. Man, Yeah, come on, man.
Like as the offensive coordinator that should.
That's the offensive coordinator.
And everybody told me was good and safe.
Come on, man. Get the fuck out.

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Go go coach offensive line or orI don't know, play swords with
Ryan Day. I don't care what you do.
Get the fuck out. Bye.
Bye. I'm happy.
I was excited. I didn't care who they got.
They could have. They could have said Curtis
Wilson is the new OC and I wouldhave been more happy than Tyler
born being now. Curtis, what playbook we running

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I'm. I'm kind of keen to playbook.
No, no, I like the Florida. I like the Florida playbook
right now. A lot of good amount of pistol
and shotgun, little bit of Wildcat and stuff.
But yeah, but but keep going, Jolly if you I'm.
Going to say I, I mean that thatthat is it.
I mean, that is where I was at from the beginning.

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And again, God bless Tyler Boyne.
I hope he goes and has a successful career in whatever he
does. I don't wish any bad on anybody,
but I'm glad that he won't be inthe booth or on the sidelines
calling no plays for us because just didn't look right to me.
Curtis, I'm going to throw it toyou.
What do you think? Well, with me, it's a couple

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things and I'll let Brian close it out in a second.
But so a it is a demotion. But if you ever tell me I were
to get a demotion and get a 20% raise less responsibility, I
ain't going to be looked at all the time.
Yep, I take it in a heartbeat and I like what I do as well.
But if you told me I got a 20% raise less responsibility, yes,

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I will take it in a heartbeat. The other thing is this tally
and I think it was in his head so let's say this next season
we've hired a new defensive coordinator, right?
We we're making some moves on that.
What if we go out and win 8 or 9games, but you see us what you
just said tally, we have a game where we score 10 points of
defense, hold them to 14 and we lose.

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Who's going to be the next person to get fired on the staff
if we have an 8 win season? It was going to be the offensive
coordinator. A lot of people said it should
have happened. You were you were leading that
charge, Tally, because what you just mentioned with the results.
So I think for him, he sort of knew well, if I go to Ohio
State, I get nothing but NFL prospects.
I might not have to work as hard.

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I just noticed your little tag there, Tally.
So I I I get it. And for him, you know, like you
said, godspeed, Brian. I'm agreeing with Jim here.
Tally is 100% correct. So let let's run back and I I

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tweeted this the other day when we were talking about Bowen
relative to the higher. We'll we'll talk about that in a
second. We're still focusing on Tyler
Bowen right now. Got.
Unloaded. When when we talk about Tyler
Bowen, we talk about a guy that from an offensive mind

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perspective was, was up there pretty well like the guy, the
guy knew scheme, right. So he he, he was good from that
perspective. But what I saw consistently is
that every year, it took us fouryears to really find any sort of
consistent footing with our offense.
So we're going through our entire out of conference

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schedule looking uneven. And that's not to say that we
didn't have moments of greatness.
I mean, the second-half against Vanderbilt looked pretty good,
even though we had a couple situations where it wasn't so
right. But you know, half of football,
we look, we play confident. But for that first month of the
season, we didn't put enough quarters together where you felt

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like that offense was clicking the way it should.
That's that was consistent for three straight years.
True all right, so and then situational play calls, much
like talking about the Vanderbilt situational play
calls and and situational startsto games where it it felt like

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we didn't necessarily have the right game plan coming in were
were problematic to me. Those are my biggest criticisms.
I thought that Bowen did mostly,you know, Clemson
notwithstanding and Tally, you already hammered him on Clemson.
I thought his adjustments in game and especially after
halftime were pretty good regardless of anything else we

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were dealing with most of the year.
But it's still those situationalplay calls that left you
scratching your head. And it was those kind of initial
game plans that sometime we comein with and we're like, why are
we not taking advantage of thesethings?
Why? Why do we feel like we're we're
letting them dictate until we figure out where the holes are

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instead of watching enough tape and doing enough game planning
where we're attacking those holes out the gate and we're
jumping on teams Inexperience. They got, can I make a quick
point to both y'all on this? So you talk about the Vanderbilt
game. The first half was God awful
offensively. It was let's go to the Boston
College game real quick. We can't be stopped in the first

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half, 28, nothing. What happens in the third
quarter, the offense basically doesn't move the ball at all, at
all. It literally took Jaden Keller
getting a fourth down stop to flip the momentum of that game.
And it's like we've talked aboutgoing with this before.

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There were times when he rolls sevens.
He just hit seven. He hit seven and seven.
If he ain't rolling sevens, though, he's rolling snake eyes
and he's busting you every time.So it was that inconsistency
where times it looked like, my God, he, he can call every play,
right? I go back to the first year,
2021 against NC State. That third quarter, we scored 21

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unanswered points. We do nothing in the first half,
We do nothing in the fourth quarter and we lost that game
and you can't do that. It's just the lulls.
You, you can't. You can have a drive here or
there, but you can't have these long periods of lulls where.
You get 3. To four drives back-to-back

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where you don't really get anything out of them even if you
score on the next 3 or 4. Situationally, things have
changed in the game. The flow of the game has
changed. The way you're having to run
these run your offense now has changed.
So you've lost the opportunity that you have by having those
long ass lulls in the game. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

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That's why you need to be consistent.
Yeah, my problem with college football is that I I'm, I guess
I'm a glutton for punishment. I go and watch too much film and
to watch too much like off the ball stuff.
If I'm off as a coordinator or ahead coach or anybody and I have

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bashful tune in my backfield andhe has to look over to the
sidelines and tell me to give him the ball.
I deserve to lose my job. And it was games when he was
looking to the sidelines saying give me the ball, the one person
on the team that was leaving it all on the field every single
game. Not saying other guys didn't
leave it on the field, but I'm saying every game.

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And it was times when he was saying, you know, give me the
ball. Beginning of the season.
We're like, why ain't they handing him the ball?
Why ain't they give him, give him the ball.
I don't know all. Right.
The other thing I was going to talk about it Tally, this was
kind of to your point with the offensive line higher here.

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So like he gets hired to to coach off into wine and you're
like, why, why is it? Why aren't these discussions
happening? If if you're you're in that
room, you're that guy that is kind of overseeing this entire
ship. And I think some of this might
be just a mentality. And I don't know whether this is
a a prize culture thing or whether this is just Tyler Bowen

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being inexperienced and not feeling like he can go in there
and bust some asses. But at some point, like you got
to be willing to step on folks toes and make them a little
uncomfortable if they're not getting the job done.
Yeah, yeah. No, I agree 100%.
I agree. 100% that that that is effectively that management

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responsibility, right? Office of Coordinator, people
can say what you want to say. Head coaches, the CEO, those
guys are the VPS and guess what,if you can't go there, what you
just said, Brian, if you can't, if you don't have the stones or
the intestinal fortune to walk into somebody's room and like
you are screwing up, let's talk through things.

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You can bust them in front of people.
That's whatever that's what happens.
That happens to people. So anyway, Boeing off to Ohio
State, Tally's happy and let me hit this y'all before we talk
about the higher the name floating around yet Christian
Taylor, Neil Brown. There was one other person, I

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cannot remember who it was if y'all can remember, but I.
Think it was a dude at East Carolina.
I can't remember the. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was the OCD. He was.
He's like 30. He's younger and Tyler Bowen.
But he also was lanes Co OC downat old Miss.
So that's that means you don't call plays though.
That means you do shit, but you don't call plays.
But any of those names stick outlike it all John David Baker.

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Nah. Nothing Job.
Not really. I mean, I know when we were
talking about it, when it was first kind of leaked, when they
talked about Christian Taylor, Iwas like who?
I think I put in the chat like nobody knows who this guy is.
And then y'all was like, you know, hey dude.
Dude, we all wanted him. He.
Was like he's the guy we wanted to hire over Bowen when the

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first round of washer man. I did a little bit of research
afterwards and I was like, OK, Imean, if we get him, hopefully
he can do something, but wasn't too excited.
I mean, it was, I wasn't mad, but I wasn't, I wasn't excited.
I get to, you know, the the second part of that when we

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start talking about the high. But when the names was floating
around, it was just like, all I wanted was the experience.
And like I said, I know we're going to get into it.
I want an experience and I wanted somebody who was not
linked to. Like I don't care if they went
to Virginia Tech. I don't care if they've been
here. I don't care if they know pride
and they're cool with him. I wanted somebody to come in and

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be like I'm trying to, you know,I'm trying to revamp my career
as well. I'm trying to get to the next
level. I don't want just come in and
follow orders, you know, So again, I know we're talking
about it here in a minute when we when we actually get to the
high. But Brian, what did you, I know

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we, I know we talk all the time.So yeah, you what did you think
about, you know, the names that were floating around?
Excited, not excited. I don't know if excited would
would be the right word because it's hard to get excited when
you are having to replace an offensive coordinator in
February. Yeah.
But relative to the names that were out there and kind of who I

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thought was available, who I thought made sense, you know,
shout out Tim Thomas, you know, there was some names that made a
lot of sense, right? All the names make sense.
There there was there was names that made a lot of sense.
Neil Brown made a lot of sense. Ricky Ronnie made a lot of
sense. Like names like.
That they kind of got floated. Out there pretty early, those
those made a lot of sense. So you got you got head coaching

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experience. That's something that Crockett
potentially lean on. You know, whether good, bad or
ugly, they both have head coaching experience.
So that's bringing at least another round of experience into
the room that could help him with his process as well that he
can kind of use to to lean on insome of those areas that he can
spend an offseason with and kindof talk through different
scenarios where he feels like hecan improve his skill set as a

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head coach, right? So that that's helpful in those
standpoint. So if we were given like a
Ricky, like putting a curve in there, right?
If you got a Ricky Ronnie to Neil Brown, that was going to be
an A+ to me given given the circumstances.
So that we're we're setting the curve with those names and then
down from there, I think you look at somebody like Taylor,

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somebody like John David Baker that would kind of be in that B
range, right. So you got a you got a couple
guys that have had some experience, considered, you
know, up and comers up and comers really good minds,
innovative minds on the offensive side of the football,
but not necessarily P4 experience.

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Obviously no head coaching experience.
So you're you're it's not somebody that can have that
mentor mentee relationship with pry either.
So that that's kind of that B range, you know, somewhere in
the BB minus range, right. So that that's kind of where I
was hoping that at we would be at worse was going into that B
minus range. And then, you know, Neil Brown

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and Ricky Ronnie would have kindof set my curve at a A+ range if
we were able to pull those guys in.
Yeah. So now you know Curtis, you can
say your piece and then we can, you know, talk about where we
think, think the hire. Went well.
I'll hit it real quick. If it had been Christian Taylor,
you look at the innovation down at William and Mary and it would
be like, we can live with that. He's a grafting kid.
He's a 75 kid. So he played down there.

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He played quarterback and linebacker.
He played with actually a guy meand Brian have worked with in
the past. He soon as that king copped out,
I got a text from my buddy Sean.He's like, dude, I, I played
ball with this guy. He's a good player.
He's a good coach. But to your point, Brian, real
quick, Ricky Ronnie, to me, NeilBrown would have been the one,
but he's a head coach that's getting paid $7 million over the

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next 3:00-ish. Not do Jack shit.
And you know what, he's like 44 years old.
Somebody tells me we'll give you$7,000,000.
You don't have to do anything for the next few years.
And you know the amount of pressure, these guys, I
understand why he didn't take it.
But where, where, where the names that got floated were
fine. Like there we did not have AC or

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D. These are betters where we were.
And then finally we land on Phillip Montgomery and kind of a
name out of nowhere. There were some people on
certain places saying the guy's experience.
It's a really experienced hire. And you know, for y'all who have
been living under a rock for thepast couple days, you know,

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Phillip Montgomery is hired as the offensive coordinator.
His most previous stop was in college was at Auburn back in
2023. Tally's going to get into that
in a few seconds. And then he was the Co OC of the
Birmingham Stallions in the UFL and they won the Championship
last year. Tons of stop between here and

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there and we're going to hit allthat.
But I'm all pitch it to Brian first.
Brian with this resume. Kevin, what's happening?
Kevin is here. Can it be killed?
Kevin's name got I think droppedat the presser the other day
straight up. But Brian, you look at his
resume, I mean 20 plus years as a collegiate coach, what excites

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you most about the resume that comes in?
I think the thing that excites me the most and the thing that
probably excites the gentleman whose name just flashed across
the screen the most is the legitimate quarterback coaching
experience that this guy's bringing to the table.
Whether Pry has him as a walk around OC or whether he is

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sticking strictly in that quarterback room, you know,
that's that remains to be seen. I don't think Pry kind of
hammered that home at the presser, but regardless, having
that guy with that much coachingexperience in the room, being
the guy that's pulling the trigger on on these play calls,
that means a lot from a development standpoint.
That means a lot from how do youincorporate your quarterback

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into your overall scheme standpoint.
So I'm excited from that front. You know, when we're talking
about grades, if Dale Brown was the A+ here, I'm going to give
this it's a -, B plus range for me.
It's somewhere, you know, between the, the, the Ronnie and
the the deal Brown hire but but higher than those other two

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names, young and innovative, butmaybe not quite no head coaching
experience. You're not bringing necessarily
the the quarterback room experience that you like.
If you hire a Christian Taylor, for example, So you you get both
of those things with this, you get kind of that that mentor
type relationship that proc and lean on from a, you know, a guy
that's been a head coach, you know, at the D1 level.

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So, you know, all these things are are, I think, big pluses.
And to Tally's point, somebody that wants to earn a spot back,
right. So it is a guy that, you know,
was AOC had a ton of success outthe gate, you know, through his
time and initially as a head coach and primary play caller at
Tulsa, had some some pretty goodsuccess early on in in his stint

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as a head coach at Tulsa. And now, you know, obviously
that didn't work out long term at Tulsa.
You know, you had a little bit of a rough stint at Auburn that
I know Tally's going to elaborate on a little bit there.
And, you know, you go to the UFL, have some success and now
you're you're kind of working your way back into, you know, P4

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football now at Virginia Tech. So you got an opportunity to
really show that you still got what it takes.
And I like having a guy that is hungry and still has something
to prove. Tell what about you, you look at
that resume up there, you know, 20 plus years coaching, coaching
high school as well. What, like did you when you
looked at it and said, damn, I like that right there?

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Man, it's just experience, man. Like like Brian said, I think
Josh just put it in the chat, hesaid.
Quarterback coach for RG3. Sometimes if you've never seen
something, it's hard for you to imagine what to do with it, you
know what I'm saying? It's like when I was selling
cars and somebody would go, excuse me, when I was selling

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cars and somebody would go like,well, what's the difference in
ART to a scat pack? Now?
I can't explain it to you if youain't been in it, you know what
I'm saying? Like it's got more horsepower.
It's don't go faster. It's going to go if you stomp
the gas, it's going to get to the next light faster than this
one. That's the that's what it's

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going to do. But unless you actually been
behind the wheel and you stump the gas and the back wheels get
squirrely and you know how to hold it in the road, things like
that, you can't expect what to do until you've been in the
position. So somebody who has coached a
mobile quarterback who has, I mean, at the highest level, RG3,

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you know, think about RG3. And even when he was at Tulsa,
we don't even have to talk that far.
You know, when he was at Tulsa, you can think about some of the
quarterbacks that he had and theplays that they ran.
I think 247 did a really good. They did a really good
comparison of kind of like bowing to Montgomery's offensive
style and how it will change a little bit, getting the ball out

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of the quarterback's hands faster, a little bit more up
tempo, things like that. But the main thing, we can talk
all the numbers. I get Shelton on here to tell me
all the numbers. I know he's he can dive into it
like way, way better than anybody else.
But just from a football fan standpoint, a Virginia Tech fan
standpoint, you get somebody with head coaching experience

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that, like Brian said, has something to prove.
And if things look wonky, most of the time, a coach like that
will be like, hey, man, I don't agree with this.
This don't look right. Why are we doing this?
You know, and instead of just OK, we friends and I'm just
going to, I'm just doing my job.You know, I'm just, I don't need
a just I'm just doing my job person.

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I mean, we can win, let's win. And sometimes you just don't
have the horses to win. Like really, some team, some
games you play to other teams just better than you and you
deserve to lose. It wasn't the case in a lot of
games we played. Coaching lost us a lot of games.
Being playing scared lost us a lot of games.
You know, I'm not saying Montgomery's going to come in

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and change all of that because like I said at the beginning of
the of the of the broadcast, it's ultimately on Pry.
Pry is the man. Like he has to be better for
Virginia Tech to win as a head coach.
But you bring in somebody like Matt Moore in that offensive
line room with a lot of experience and you bring in

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somebody like Montgomery with a lot of experience and powerful
experience, you know, you know, and and I know we're going to
get to it, which I'll go ahead and, and hop into it as well.
When you talk about, because I've seen some people say, you
know, he was down at Auburn and he sucked.
Well, we ain't Auburn, you know,that's number one.

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I never understand when people say, well, he was at this school
and he he sucked. Well, guess what?
He might not have been a fit there.
There's a lot of things that go into a factor of I don't know
how Tyler Bowen got an offensiveline coach job at Ohio State, I
don't fucking know. I really don't know, but he's up
there. He making $1,000,000.
He going to make some money, so yes, exactly James.

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But most of the time from what I've seen, I mean, I'm around,
I'm in Alabama, so Alabama and Auburn fans is what I'm around.
Most Auburn fans are very happy with what Freeze has done
recruiting wise. He is, he's, he's busting ass
and recruiting. Like he just knows how to
recruit. You know what I'm saying?

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He's he, he, he knows how to getin the mix.
He knows the things to say. He knows I don't know where to
drop the money if that's what hehas to do.
Like he'll get a little dirty. He'll he, he knows how to
recruit, but when it comes to putting it on the field, he's
been dropping the ball. You know, when you get into the
recruiting game and you're talking to a high school high 4

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star, borderline 5 star running back and you say, OK, if I come
to your school, how many touchesam I going to get in my freshman
year? And then you promise them
something and then you don't live up to it.
That's probably going to get youin some trouble.
You know what I'm saying? When you got the offensive
coordinator and the and the headcoach on a different like they,
they're just on different playing fields, you know what I

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mean? So I think that's a lot of stuff
that happened when Montgomery was at Auburn.
Freeze wanted it one way. Montgomery kind of wanted to do
his thing and Freeze was like, no, we're going to run, but I
want to run and I'm going to take over play calling and I'm
going to go with this quarterback, I'm going to go
with this. They ran off all the
quarterbacks. August had some good
quarterbacks to come through andthey just, they ran them all off

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to go with Peyton Thorne. And Peyton Thorne ain't even
from yet, like he's from Michigan or something.
He came from Michigan State. So it wasn't like it was a local
kid that they just had all this trust in.
Auburn ran off Bo Nicks even before like Freeze got there.
Like they just mismanaged a lot of quarterbacks.
So Auburn's got their own problems.

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So anybody who's saying, well, he was at Auburn and he sucked,
like Auburn's got bigger problems than an offensive
coordinator, I'll just say that.So hopefully they get together
because I love to watch Auburn. Like I, if I was any other fan
besides like a Virginia Tech fan, I'd probably be an Auburn
fan because I just keep up with like a lot of kids that I've
known personally have gone to Auburn and Auburn's kind of that

(33:44):
underdog in the, in the, you know, in the, in the Alabama,
Alabama, Auburn rivalry. So I've kept up with him a lot.
But back to what we talking about with Montgomery.
Montgomery being there, as you can see, he was only there for
one year. I really think that he just
didn't have his feet under him to do what he wants to do.

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Freeze kind of wanted it to be and and that's his team, you
know, it's his team. And if his name's on the line,
he wanted it to be how he wantedit.
And I understand. So one thing I can say about
Montgomery, though, is when he got out of Auburn, he went
straight to straight to the the UFL to try to get some old like
experience and money and like hehungry, he trying to he trying

(34:28):
to get somewhere. So I'm hoping that he just
brings that here and I'm hoping that he doesn't bite his tongue
when he sees stuff that's off. You know, I don't know exactly
where his if he's on field, if he's in the booth, I don't know,
but I just want him to be in prize ear like, hey man, this
don't make sense. Why are you making my
quarterback? We got A2 capable running backs.

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Why are we running our quarterback right here, you
know, or why are we throwing theball to the tight end right here
when we have two good receivers?Whatever the case may be, I just
hope he brings his experience tomove the offense along.
So I know that was a lot at one time.
Curtis. Yeah.
What you thinking? Well, with me, it's it's the

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head coach experience and it's for a couple reasons for for
pride. First of all, not only his
experience as an OC, but his experience as a head coach
pride. The only thing he needs to go in
is go check on that room. How's it going?
Little motivational speech. Clap everybody up, make
everybody feel good and leave. Because you have a guy who's
effectively been an offensive coordinator, if I do the math

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here, because he called us all his offense, 1516 years of 1516
years of calling offenses. He knows that room.
Don't deal with that. The other thing about him being
a head coach is he's been a headcoach a hell of a lot more years

(35:53):
than Brent Pryor ever has. Brent Pryor needs to get in his
ear. Let's talk about game
management, how we want to do things.
What did you learn? Because you, you put up there
with the Tech Sideline podcast. I, I listened to the interview
today, shout out Chris Coleman, but big shout out.
I am so glad they gave David Cunningham the lead chair and
let him interview. That kid has been on this show

(36:15):
numerous times. We've gotten to know him pretty
well. He deserves to get to do things
like that and he made a great play or a great interview with
Montgomery today. But when you when you have that
experience, it's almost like, don't worry about that room.
That guy's been through experiences asking about what he
would do in this situation. You have now effectively you can

(36:37):
say a Lieutenant, he he's got a true Lieutenant now he can go in
as being a head coach and say, hey, what would you do right
here? Should we call timeouts right
here? And I think that if anything,
because Callie, you keep saying it, it is all on pride.
It is all on pride. And if he's the problem, well,
now you got somebody who's went through the wringer, right?

(36:58):
Figure out what he did wrong. See if it's the same thing
you're doing wrong and what can you do to maybe fix it?
Because you still got to fix it.As far as the other stuff goes
with the offense, you know, you know, somebody put it out here.
I don't know where it was, but legitimately this might be the

(37:23):
legitimate, most legitimate offseason higher in Virginia
Tech history, history we have. And somebody said what about was
it Phillip Nancy, right, Can't remember that.
I always screw up the Dings. Y'all know I'm good at doing
that? No.

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What was his name that he was, he became the defensive
coordinator before Bud. Somebody throw it in there.
I'm butchering his last name. I can like see it right now.
But he was never defensive coordinator.
He came as a defensive back coach and that happened.
We've never had a hire like thisbig where you look at that
resume and it's like even a headcoach, even an offensive
coordinator. He coached the Heisman Trophy

(38:07):
winner. They won a bunch of games at
Baylor. He's coached for NFL
quarterbacks. Thank you, James, right there,
Phillip Monson. But we've never had a hire like
this. I give pride credit because some
coaches wouldn't hire another head coach to come in.
So again, it's the big changes. I think there's two things here

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and this is kind of pivot into what we're going to talk about
next from a scheme standpoint, but looking at this hire and
looking at the move Esefkus the so so two things here.
These are both guys that other than some some passing, you
know, pass crossing, these aren't his guys.

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There we go. Yeah, name butchered.
Everybody drink. You're drinking game you.
Know what if you listen to an episode like the state of the
program, you will get drunk off that game.
I don't know if we'll quite go long enough tonight for that,
but if you get one of those two or three hour benders you you
might you might get drunk off that.
But you know, talking about skiing, these are two

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coordinators. Both of these coordinator hires
are kind of outside of prize former sphere of influence,
right. These these are not his guys.
These are not buddies. These are not people that he's
had kind of on his short list for years and years, right?
These are guys that when he evaluated what he needs to do at

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Virginia Tech this offseason, he's he identified that there
needs to be some shifts to be successful.
And it looks like on defense, that's going to be more, you
know, 3 high safety looks mixed up with a hybrid front.
And, and when you look at offense, it's it's going to be

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more, I'm not going to say downfield passing, but less
behind this, behind this line ofscrimmage passing.
When we look at the way we're attacking defenses between the
tackles, it looks like, looks like he's leaning on us needing
to get better between those tackles to be more consistent in
the running game. So he, he, he's addressing that.

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And I think that's impressive because these are.
They're not wholesale changes from a, from a scheme standpoint
there there's a lot of overlapping elements in both of
these schemes, but there are certainly, you know, big
picture, these are different looking defenses and different
looking offenses. And, and and that's, that's

(40:42):
something that you got to give him some kudos to, to look at.
He didn't just, you know, say we're, we're.
Cooking. With the status quo.
Just cookies. You didn't cookie cut these
hires. Yeah.
So he's he's evaluating everything and he said we we
need to have a shift on both sides of the ball.
I'm excited about this offensivescheme.

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I think it's going to be a good fit for the skilled personnel
that we already have on on offense.
I think it's going to help ease the offensive line into what
they're looking at. When you think about more
coaching offensive line, this isa similar philosophy to what

(41:23):
we're looking at with, you know,if a Neil Brown came in.
So you know, some of the terminology is going to be
similar. There's there's going to be some
overlapping elements there. So I think they vibed well as
far as what what they each wanted to accomplish when
thinking about, I'm going to call him Phil Monte, like the
full Monte, but it's Phil. Phil Monte.
Phil Monte and and our board, Matt Moore here, I think they

(41:44):
vibe pretty well on what they were trying to do offensively
and that's that's why this was agood fit.
What did you like about the run scheme?
Because you you said you you gota chance.
We found that YouTube video and I think you went in back and
watched a couple games. What does his and more scheme
What? What is the meshes?
What like? This is already in place.

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This is already in place. Guys will already know
terminology. All right, so you know, when we
look at, you know, Neil Brown's offense, it was an air raid, but
it was a run first air raid. It was a balanced air raid.
When we look at what Monty has ran, you know it's mostly veer
and shoot. It's that art brows that Josh

(42:25):
Hypel type offense. It's it's going to be heavy with
it's more of a hybrid scheme. It's got air raid principles
from a passing standpoint, but there's still those Smash Mouth
spread principles that you're going to look at from a more
traditional spread offense. So it's kind of a hybrid of
that. And I think that's going to be

(42:46):
good for a quarterback like Kyron drones, because I think
that's going to help him develophis passing, especially his
downfield passing. But you're also going to see him
still be active in the run game,still be able to use his power,
his athleticism in the run game.So I'm excited about both of
those standpoints. And you know, looking at the run
game specifically, what you see with this is a lot of kind of

(43:10):
when it's when it's wide, when it's outside the tackles, you
know, a lot of zone philosophiesfrom a scheme perspective in the
run game. But you know, between the
tackles, you're going to see a lot of gap, you're going to see
a lot of power, a lot of dart, some ISO.
So there's going to be those elements when you're running
between the tackles, but more ofthat zone concept when you're
getting wide. So you're going to see that,

(43:32):
that beer, that wide zone, stufflike that.
You're still see that blocked uppretty similar to what we've
seen in the past. Tally anything to add on top of
that for maybe ask question? No, not really, man.
I mean, we've been hitting on ita little bit.
I think everybody, I mean, I just, I'm, I'm just excited for
change. You know what I'm saying?

(43:53):
I feel like you got to change onoffense, change on defense.
You're trying, you're trying putyour best football.
Let's go see what it is. Let's go see what happens.
I am I am excited about the moreI feel like in certain games,
especially tempo would have helped us.
So I'm excited about, you know, the tempo changing and you know,

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probably, I think he said in his, in his clip with the team
that we would use tempo as a weapon.
I think that was the word. So even at the lowest, like the
slowest tempo that he had was faster than on tempo.
I think his slowest tempo was atAuburn.

(44:37):
I'm looking at it on 247. It was like 63.
So plays per game. It's pretty much like 63.62.
That was in 2023. Now hours over the time that
Tyler Bone was here over the past three seasons was 62.5 S as

(45:00):
and that was the lowest that hiswas like the next lowest for
Montgomery was 69.83, you know, and the highest that it's ever
been is 87. I ain't saying that we get
there. But.
I don't think we need to get there, but I, I think what,
what, what tempo. Does is it?

(45:21):
It, it lets you, it lets you shift gears, right?
It lets you shift gears because I, you know, and, and let's
think about this a little bit, think about some of the moments
that were the most head scratching and hair pulling for
us, right? Two-minute offense.
Yeah. And, and the reason for that is
that it's hard when you're not playing fast to get into that

(45:43):
gear. And when you're conditioned to
play fast because you can all, it's a lot easier to slow down
than it is a speed up. Yep, right, it is.
It is. And that's the thing he said in
the interview with TSL today that caught my ear was we're not
going to go fast all the time. He's like, we're going to go
fast, we're going to go medium. And he said sometimes we're

(46:04):
going to go slow. He said that's something he's
learned over the last few years of coaching because he talked
about you get in a track meet and your defense don't get time
to breathe. Well, you ain't doing them no
good. But he said at other times he's
like it. It sounded like you wanted to
say there's other times you're up 14 to three and they're on

(46:26):
their heels, put the hammer downand get to 21 because guess
what? That game playing they had, it's
gone, they down 18 points now they can't dictate the terms to
you because you've gotten it. So it seems like to me he's not
going to be back to the old Baylor style.
But I think like you said, Brian, like you mentioned,
Tally, there's going to be timeswhere he's going to look at Kyra

(46:47):
and he's going to say we're justgoing to go, yeah, I'm going to
give you the first play. You're going to go, we're going
to call it, we're going to snap it in 12 seconds.
And there's going to be times where we're just going to pound
the ball because that inside runscheme you talked about, Brian,
y'all can say what you want to say to me.
It's been over the past about 10plus years, maybe even more,
that there are times where it's third and one, third and two.

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We can't run the ball inside to get them.
And I, I, I don't know if it's for somebody like me, like White
Teller was on this team. White Teller is one of the best
interior guards. We didn't have the right scheme
to push forward 2 yards. So hopefully it all comes to
fruition. The other thing, and I think
Doug Bowen put this out 247, I think I sent it to y'all, the

(47:34):
amount of passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, his a
significantly less than Tyler Bowen.
His intermediate is significantly higher.
Yep. Significantly higher.
And what I liked about looking at the tape I did is if you
notice just about every single time there's a pass play,

(47:56):
there's either like a drag, a quick curl or a flat route.
There is always an easy pass forthe quarterback to make to gain
positive yards. And I think there were times you
can say the line of scroll, that's the line of scrimmage
pass. Well, The thing is if you pass
the fall 2 yards behind the lineof scrimmage and somebody blows

(48:16):
it up, guess what, it's second and 12.
Now you were behind the sticks versus if you run a drag round
and get 3 yards as second and seven, everything to play books
there to get a decent third down.
Anything else additional on the scheme?
Brian Talley, I. Don't think so.
I think we're good, man. We can move on.

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All right, somebody is asking. I'll find it here.
Where'd it go about the recruiting ability?
Well, right now we do not know the staff makeup.
We know that there's change is coming, probably literally said
that at the press conference. There's going to be some things
shuffled. There's probably some more
people getting hired. And to be honest, y'all, I don't

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think, I think to your point, what you said a little earlier,
Brian, I think he's going to primarily coach the
quarterbacks, but I think he's going to be in every room.
And I think that is the that is the thing pride wants now.
He wins his coordinators. Listen, you're not going to be
travelling on the week of games.You're going to sit here and get
the game plan ready. That is your job.

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Yeah. And on that question, when
somebody asked, they said what about his recruiting ability?
I think they're just asking like, do we think he's a good
recruiter? Who knows, man.
I mean, realistically, I don't think it really matters.
I think that as far as in this position, I think that the
production is going to be the recruiting tool that you would
need. Like you got to go out and show

(49:47):
somebody what the offense looks like.
I mean, you're in a damn good position with Kyron Jones as
your quarterback, you know, and then you bring in some great
skill players as well. If you go out and you make this
offense look halfway decent, youwill turn some heads and make
some people want to come. We we've been getting good
players, even if when we had badoffenses or bad teams.

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So if you go out and you produceand you win, you know, I think
that that's the bigger recruiting tool than just him
being a recruiter. You know, even like when Bud,
you know, when Bud was defensivecoordinator, he wasn't a huge
recruiter. Like when people think about
Bud, if you if you know anythingabout him, he wasn't a huge

(50:29):
recruiter. So when he went and got Dax
because like that was his guy, like it was a big deal for him
to put that much time in recruitcause Bud just didn't do that
so. He didn't.
He was a he was a good closer, but he didn't get the road very
he didn't. Hit the he didn't hit the road
that much. So I'm not saying like, I just
don't think that that plays as big of a deal as like.

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Well, hold on Cal positions, youwant to know the recruiting
stats. If he goes out here and Kyron
throws for 3000A, Green goes for1000, Donovan Green goes for
1000, and the two guys we brought in through the portal
rush for 1000, there's going to be damn people kicking down your
door when they come here like. Green Green sounds like a law
firm man. We going we going to have some

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yeah, we going to have some law firm.
We can put up some law firm numbers.
So I, I was looking at his 247 recruiting history.
So he pulled a four-star like high bid folk, 4 star
quarterback Walker White while he was at Auburn got pulled a
four-star wide receiver, Baylor 4 star wide receiver while he
was at at Tulsa. So he was the primary on a on a

(51:35):
wide receiver while he was the head coach, which you don't
really see that, but you know, it is what it is.
He he pulled a. Well, you say he was at Tulsa.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was calling his
own plays at Tulsa, too. So yeah, exactly had something
to do with it. Yeah, so I mean, he he pulled a
four-star wide receiver primary,you know, recruiter on a, on a

(51:58):
wide receiver while he was the head coach and obviously
recruited Bryce Petty, who was amid to low three star and, you
know, turned him into a hell of a quarterback.
So. Two time back, player of the
year got drafted all around the league a few years.
So yeah, in in the recruiting point.
It's you're to a point now, and I know we don't we're going to

(52:21):
talk about this, but like, high school recruiting's almost
become the secondary. Yeah.
It is like, like, like I keep thinking about the Michigan
situation. They're going to pay that kid
$10 million. What if that kid is ass?
Like, like seriously, that's what.
Eventually where it's come to. But but what's eventually going

(52:41):
to happen, again, rich people don't like everybody's like
Miami's going to kill the NIL game.
And then they sucked and that guy pulled that 10 million
backs, like, no, no, no, you don't get my money.
But just a few other things talkabout.
We do have a new senior directorof player personnel trade near.

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He was effectively coming over from West Virginia in the same
role, also being a recruiting assistant from the same role.
That's Mike Villagrano's old role who left a little while
ago. So that's been done.
We still have director of high school relations, a director of
recruiting, and obviously we gotto know about the quarterback

(53:26):
coach. We got to know what Sam going to
do. So we're probably going to be
back here a week from tonight because my feeling is probably
Monday and next week everything's probably going to
get laid out. Well, I think now that you've
got your, your coordinators in place there, there's been
conversations with them and, and, and Coach Pry about how

(53:47):
they want that side of the ball to look from a structure
standpoint, whether any additional hires are going to be
brought in, whether in any additional shuffling is
happening. It sounds like there's
definitely still some reshuffling that's being
discussed. So at minimum, we're going to
see guys at least having an, a different official position next

(54:07):
to their name come come spring ball.
You know, the question is going to be how much shuffling is
still done on offense. We know that there's at least
going to be a little bit on defense though.
Yep. 100% all right as y'all know we are brought to you by
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What you doing man? He heard Miami.

(54:28):
He had a child. Don't see the bat signal?
Like what the hell? Miami All right, let's talk
about just a few more things forwrap up tonight since we hadn't
been here for a few weeks. Literally, we talked about going
on with Tyler Bowen let go, but it was just like, well, it's
going to be like 10 minutes. Tally's going to rant.

(54:49):
We're going to say a few things and that's it.
He don't need to talk about it. He's gone.
But a few things did break at ata higher level that we got to
hit tonight. And the first big one is ESPN
decides to extend the ACC contract that goes to 2036.
I'm going to stop here for a second and say a few things.
2036, everybody's currently on this screen. 2036 will be 50

(55:15):
years old. First of all, that's asininely
long. We're going to be 50.
We're all in our early 40s rightnow.
That's a stupid ass long contract.
So there's that. Now, a couple other things that
kind of hit out here is they're saying Florida State, Clemson,

(55:36):
Miami are going to play. Notre Dame won't.
Fuck them, I don't care. Fuck my fucks.
What the fucks all four of them?What the game more than anybody,
You know what the ACC should have held their feet to the fire
during COVID when they let them slide in and use the ACC to play
in those games and play in the conference championship.

(55:58):
Whatever it was, they should have held their feet to the fire
and said either yes or no. What are you going to do?
You ain't playing nobody this. Year, they just been just riding
that wave. Let them do what they want to
do. I know they got all kind of
fucking Catholic money or whatever they got, but I don't
know man, pick a conference or get on.
Yeah. Kind of them hanging around.

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What you know, when you look at it, I, I think the, the problem
that I have with it and, and newkings going to love this.
But like my problem with the waythey're structuring this is kind
of it feels like they're, they're just appeasing the FS
U's, the Clemson's and the Miami's for the sake of doing it
without looking at the bigger picture.

(56:46):
It's like, OK, so you got you got a couple, you got a couple
headaches with FSU. You know, Clemson kind of jumped
in on that. You know, when you look at that,
the media money, I mean, one of those three and even in the top
five in terms of media for the conference.
So it's it's kind of wild that we're we're doing this pick
winners and losers thing as partof this this process instead of

(57:10):
just saying, hey, if if you go out there and win football
games, you get a bigger piece ofthe pie.
Right. Yeah, the other thing about that
too, Bron, I'm going to follow acouple things here.
First of all, Clemson and FSU are asking for less granted
right penalties in 2031. If you are asking what's the

(57:30):
significance of 20312031, every conference but the ACC, because
John Swofford is a dipshit, is going to market.
Now, we don't know what that's going to look like because right
now it's all high and tidy. But we've seen it like we've
seen sports in the past because remember the NBA used to be

(57:51):
bigger ratings in football back in the day and then it fell off
same Major League Baseball. So right now they're riding
high. We don't know what's going to
happen in 2031. So there's that.
The other piece is you talked about those initiatives, Brian.
Well, let's talk about Robbie's note real quick.

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Here. Because from a meteorite
standpoint, if we're looking at the P2.
Yeah. Virginia teams have a little bit
more of a market that isn't already available in like the
SEC than some of these schools. Yeah.
So in in that. Markets in these area in these

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states. So there there's not that much
inherent inherent benefit from amedia rights down new kings
pointing out bigger picture ACC is dead here and I'm throw that
one up here. Yeah.
Well, that's the whole thing that we're talking about with
the the initiatives because it'snot going to be a split pot like

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it is right now for the SEC in the Big 10.
That if Clemson in Miami and Florida State are getting more
of the pie, then they're probably not going to be $20
million behind. They're going to be like 5 to
$10 million around. You can survive on that.
Yeah. It's, it's just.
It's just. So funny as like, you know, at
some point, like why are we basing it on names though?

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Like to Robbie's point, I mean, yeah, these three teams are are
likely to join some sort of P4 conference just because of their
history and and things like that.
But if the ACC folds, at least half that conference is is going
to be in one of the P4P2 conferences or the other.

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At the end of the day, that's what's happening.
Four to six teams are going to be in the SEC or Big 10 when the
ACC folds. Yeah, because this is this is
put what bag put up there because I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna counter on this because if you start saying,
because I love what Josh Pate said, I don't just I don't agree
with everything he says. I think he's got some good

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thoughts. I think he's got some dumb
thoughts. But he says eventually you don't
think the SEC and the Big 10 bigschools are going to look over
there and say to that commissioner, I'm Alabama,
motherfucker, I'm getting $78,000,000 a year and freaking
Vanderbilt's getting $78,000,000a year.
Screw you. You're going to start paying me.
And when that happens? That's when potentially this

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could happen right here. Football gets too big for the
conferences. Somebody comes in and says you
know what, there ain't no conferences no more.
We're going to put all the moneyinto a pot and y'all going to be
separate from your conferences now Greg Sankey?
And what is it petty guy up in Big 10 country?

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They going to fight tooth and nail to say no, no we need
conferences. I think, I think that's probably
another drink for the listeners out.
There oh whatever trying to get you all fucked up tonight, but
but like that happens there willbe no it's just going to be here
is P4 college football. He is probably 60 teams in a

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play in there. Each little region, it's going
to be the NFL. Here's the northeast region,
here's the Mid-Atlantic region, here's the South Atlantic,
here's the Deep South, here's the Ohio Valley, here's this,
here's this. And it'll be like nine of them.
So, but you can't do anything. But you got to talk about it

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because your team's sitting hereand you know you're slowly going
to fall behind. You're still third in the money,
right? You're still third in the money,
but you know, you're about $20 million off, so.
We'll. See what happened, but that kind
of leads to the thing Brian, youkind of got interested in was
the Ross Dellinger stuff, so. Yeah.

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I mean, kind of looking at some highlights of that.
You know, you had the house settlement, you know, it was
reported on by Ross Dellinger, you know, a couple months back.
We didn't really have a chance to cover it the last time, the
last couple times we've been on here, yeah, we've really been
kind of focused on talking aboutthe coordinators.

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Yeah. So you know, there's there's a
revenue, revenue sharing piece of this.
You know, part of the schools, any of the schools that opt into
the settlement will share a portion of their revenue with
their athletes. There's going to be back pay.
So 2.77 billion will be distributed over the next decade
to athletes who who paid, who played from 2016 to 2024.

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So essentially, you know, kind of going back in that in that
that time frame there, you know,with the NIL agreements,
athletes will sign agreements that will guarantee compensation
directly from the school. So that's a difference than what
we've been kind of dealing with before with a lot of the, you
know, triumphs of the world kindof negotiating inclusively but

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separately from the school. This is kind of bringing
everything under the under the umbrella, making things a little
bit more above board. So kind of taking it at a high
level it it's expected to shift payments to athletes from the
boosters to the schools themselves.
It's expected to, you know, change how the athletes are

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going to be paid and it's reallygoing to be a little bit closer
to an NFL model in terms of athlete compensation.
The difference being is that you're not going to see you
don't have a cap and you don't have multi year agreements,
right? It's still going to be a year by
year, case by case situation that we kind of been dealing

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with, you know, since NIL has been instituted.
But you're at least going to have things that are publicly
available in terms of what theseagreements are and how they're
handled. And obviously it's going to be a
a big shift in what the collectives are doing, being

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more of a fundraising arm or a separate fundraising arm outside
of the the typical booster operations versus being the sole
kind of arbiter and and distributor of the funds to the
athletes. Very well spoke Brown on that
because that is some high level,very technical stuff going on.

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The only question I have is you have to opt in.
I think it's by like July to paythat.
But that that guarantees the school's going to pay you.
Like what do you do? I mean, there's schools all over
the country, but if you're some kid at some big name school and
they don't opt in because there's already those, we've

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seen it out there. Yeah.
I was promised $300,000 and I got 50 and I never saw anything
else, but I played this year. Did you sign a contract?
No, sorry. You ain't getting that $250,000,
kids. Do you think that write it now,
Like, how does that sweat kids? Because if you go to schools,

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like, yeah, we're not opting in,We're still going to pay you.
Like, what do you say? Like, what are you supposed to
say to those kids? I mean, to me, it's you
negative. Recruit the shit out of it.
Yeah, and I'm, you know, and yougot the whole Jaden Rashada
situation that has played out over the course of.
Wait a second, is that the Wisconsin guy?

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Or the quarterback that originally committed to Florida.
Oh, oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's, it's crazy.
Because oh, no, sorry. Miami New King.
Miami. Miami.
Left Miami, went up to Florida, wound up at Arizona State.
Yeah, Arizona State and that andnow at Georgia.
And the issue was nobody paid him.

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We'll give you $7,000,000. No, we ain't.
We're going to get you to sign. We ain't giving you shit.
But again, what the whole thing is, it's moving more and more
like somebody put on there like there's going to be salary caps,
you know, and things like that. Payments listed as public.
Someone else put that bag, put that up there.
It's just, you can help me. They were just, they were

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getting shoe boxes full of moneyis what they were getting.
That's how you paid kids back then.
Just give them a shoe box full of money.
But it's going to be interestingto see how this actually falls
out because the one thing going forward is could there be a cap?
Could there be a cap? Somebody put it on there like

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effectively like 18 million or 20 million.
That's it. That's what you can pay your
kids. You can't pay them no more, no
less, so be very smart. All the good old days, right
Josh? The good old golden Trans Am
baby, it's great. All right.

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One last piece I wanted to hit. Just college football wise, we
just went to 12 teams and now there's more discussion of
expansion. If y'all have not heard,
potentially going by 2026. So 2 years, 14 to 16 teams now.
Right now SEC and Big 10 are trying to basically say they

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deserve four teams each. ACC Big 12 would get 2.
Any feelings on that? I don't, I don't think you
should ever lock in a number of schools outside of a single
automatic bid per conference. Right I.
Agree and that that applies. ACCSEC big big 10, whoever the

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fuck it is, you should not be booking multiple automatic bids.
The number of team Like look at OK look at the number of teams
we have in the NCAA tournament in March Madness and each team
is still going to get one fucking guaranteed spot.
So if you got a field of 64 and it's only one, why the fuck are

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you going to give 4 when the when the field is 14 or 16?
It doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, I agree.
It it, it doesn't make sense, but I mean, the way it is it,
it's the Wild West. There is nobody controlling
this. It's literally conferences,
getting a room. This is what we going to do.
This is what we going to do. And the bad thing is the, the,

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the ACC, and I mean even the Big12, I mean, they, they have
essentially ceded the leverage over the last decade plus to the
SEC in the Big 10, where I don'tthink they have enough leverage
to say no for fear that they would get stuck with an even

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worse situation. Like they don't have a leverage
to like big Dick their way into the room.
No, they don't. They don't.
So now with that being said, there is now discussions like
all the SEC and the Big 10 are going to play every year where
they can't do that because they don't have even teams.
The SEC has 16, the Big 10 has 18.

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But let me ask you all this. I did the math.
If you count Notre Dame, you have any Power Four teams?
There are. We got. 68 It's an even number.
Why can't y'all just figure out just let the power four teams
all play each other go to non conference games, go to non
conference games and you play one from each of the other

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conferences. It would help get rivalries back
renewed. It would it would help for me
bring eyes because what you can do is basically say where'd you
finish last year we were second in the conference.
All right, you going to play somebody in the top five of the
SEC in the Big 10 or the SEC in the Big 12?
You're going to play three of the top teams.

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Well, we sucked last year. Where you going to play the
bottom? Curtis doesn't make sense.
Stop trying to make too much sense here man.
Make me commissioner. I've had shit happy as hell
because I'd make sure every year, every year there were the
big speed one out of conference game where Tally could drive
less than 4 hours to go see the Hokies play.

(01:10:21):
You know, I'm going to say the most low hanging fruit thing
that you can right now. But what, what what is being
negotiated right now? What's been negotiated, what
feels like for the last, you know, decade plus is not really
what's best for the game or for the fans.
This is what's best for the money.

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That's true. And what's best for the money,
unfortunately, is for SEC and Big 10 teams in the fucking
playoff. That's that.
That's what it is. So they don't really give a shit
about whether this thing has anysort of parity.

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They don't care about, they don't care about long term
either. They don't care about the long
term money. They care about what's rolling
in right now and what's rolling in right now.
Is that all right? So you got 5-4 or five teams in
the SEC that draw more eyes thanin the entirety of the Big 12
Conference or most of the ACC, right?

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So they want to try to get thoseteams in at all cost.
And they looked at the Big 12 and they looked in the ACC.
And they say probably best case scenario in whether this is
fair, right or wrong, whatever. The AC CS probably only going to
have two teams every year that can draw eyes like that, that
can draw eyes in that similar ballpark.

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Big 12, same damn thing. So they like, we'll give you
those bones because we'll take that money, but we're not going
to give you any more because this ain't what it's about.
Tally what you got. I think it's all stupid.
I think it's all about the have and have nots.
But like you said earlier, man, it's just having putting a

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number on it just sounds stupid to me.
Are we going to get it 4 becauseit may not be four teams may not
be deserving. You know what I'm saying?
If you. Have a shit year, You're going
to put four in there. That's what I.
Put four in there anyway. Yeah, I.
Don't think. About that everybody was and we
we talked about it plenty, but everybody was talking about this
year like how the games weren't good and this and that.

(01:12:37):
I was like whatever man, that's just what y'all want.
Everybody has a way that they'retrying to play.
Everybody wants to play something that's going, you
know, make them feel good about something, whether it's their
team or their conference or something like that.
But I mean, the games have always been the games, you know,
like it, like we said, you go look at the championship games,

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most of the time it's been a blowout as of lately or a very
lopsided game. Even though this year wasn't a
blowout, it was a lopsided game,you know what I'm saying?
So that that just most of the time in college football, there
is one team that's just better than most teams in that year.
They may screw up and lose 1 game, maybe even two games, but

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most of the time there's a team that's just, they get it going
at the right time and they just,they're going to beat whoever
you put in front of them. So that's not going to change.
No matter how many, how many ACCSCC, whatever schools you try
to put in, sometimes you're justnot going to win.
Yeah, but to me it's just a number like we need, we have to

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have four teams and it's like, what if you are just a pile of
shit conference and you put fourteams in that year?
It's a money grab, like. They just, they just want the
money, that's all the. Money, it's got to be relative
too, because I mean, you know, you can say 4, but there's going
to be 4 good teams in the SEC every year, right?
It's just good teams. Not not saying deserving teams

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relative to the other conference, but there's going to
be 4 good teams in the SEC everyyear.
But when you got to look at it relative to the rest of the
competition, that's why that exists.
You can't just say flat out willyou get four teams in regardless
because you know you're bringingthe most money and you've got
the best players. Like at some point we got to
say, OK, I get that this is about putting the best teams in

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the playoff, but it's about putting the best teams that earn
the spot into the playoff, not just putting teams in.
Because they still matter. Like we're not, we're not
simming a a dynasty on fucking NCAA here.
Like at some point you, you got to play the fucking games.
Well, the, the, what's going, this is what's going to happen
and this is what's going to snap.
It is. There's going to be some year

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there's going to be some SEC team that plays three good out
of conference, goes one and two and out of conference and wins
like 6 and one inside and they're going to be 8 and four.
Like they won the SEC and you'relike that motherfucker won eight
games like they. Makes a good point here too.
The games were good. They should have been spaced out
better. And the whole thing is people

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were like, well, you know, some of those games were blowouts.
And it's just like, that's football.
That's just football. The NFL has charity.
Well, well, let's look at the NFL this year.
That week one wild card had a bunch of dog shit games, except
Washington and Tampa Bay. They were awful.
They were awful to watch. Even the second weekend wasn't

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that interesting. And that's a league with parity
that drafts, that chooses their own players.
They can cut anybody at any time.
Yep. And, and also, I mean, you had a
blowout in the Super Bowl. And I think regardless of what
you feel about Kansas City and the referees, nobody thought
that Kansas City didn't fucking belong in that game.
And they got smashed. So that's why you play the

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games. And that's why these everybody
that says, well, these teams just don't have a shot.
They don't have a shot. No, do not have a shot is to not
get a chance to play a game. That's the day you take shots
off the table because nobody gave Arizona State a chance
against Texas. That game was supposed to be,
what was it, 11 1/2 point line? That game was supposed to be a
blowout. That's the most entertaining

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game all year. But it but but reality.
We should have had Ole Miss in there, right?
We should have had that. They really they were a better
team than Arizona State this year.
Right. Yeah, we we said old Miss or
Alabama should have been in there.
Really. No.
No, no. So you know.
And the only thing I like that has come out of this is that I

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agree that re racking the seating would have helped what
we dealt with significantly significantly.
And the automatic, the automaticbid shouldn't necessarily
guarantee you that buy. Yeah.
Now I don't necessarily, you know, I, I think if you win a

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conference, you know, let's havesome discussions about if you're
not in the top four, that you get to automatically host that
game, right? That that could be a
conversation that you have so you don't end up with your
conference champion potentially hosting a team from their own
conference that they just beat on a neutral site, right.

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So that so that's a fucked up scenario.
That's a fucked up scenario, Buta a better scenario is that you
still rank them. You give the buys to who the
buys belong to. After that, if they're still
conference champions that didn'tget that by you, at least give
them that that five to to 8 slot.
Well, I think what's the, the, the big thing that might come

(01:17:41):
out of this whole rear act of the playoff is a conference.
I think conference championship weekend is probably going to go
away. It's going to probably go away.
Robbie, we get it. We got it, Robbie.
Yeah, Oregon did say please receive.
But the conference champion, because the discussions is if

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they do what they want to do, which I think it's going to come
to fruition. And what you're going to have
basically is like for the SEC inthe Big 10, their top two teams
are in the playoff and they're going to basically say 4-5 and
six. You're going to play each other.
The ACC, your top teams in the playoff, your two and three
teams are going to play to see who gets in.

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Now that would probably make conference championship or
Thanksgiving weekend super intriguing.
But to me, you want to do anything, guarantee the the four
big conferences, 2 spots each conference, regular season
champion in play in games, and then figure out the rest.
Because I'm not against, becausethe one thing I like is good

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games. I think I think this season also
made the case against conferencechampionship games.
Yeah, in general, just screwed. Screwed Oregon, benefited Penn
State, who else in a way. Well, Carson Beck got hurt so
didn't really screw him. Although Texas got the easier

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match up on New Year's Day, technically.
Yeah. So it's all sorts of wild stuff.
And to me, I think what they're about to do, and this is my
opinion, it's an Invitational. It's not a playoff format
anymore because you are literally saying, oh, you,
you're guaranteed. You're guaranteed in playoffs.

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There are no guarantees. There aren't tally.
Your son played in the basketball playoffs, y'all.
Y'all weren't guaranteed a spot where y'all's conference wasn't
guaranteed a spot in there. No, y'all had a play I got.
To go play man, got to play the game.
And, and, and eventually if you ask me what the demise of

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college football or the casual fan will be, it's effectively
people are going to start looking at it and it's not
anybody on this call right here.We like college football.
We have our team, we watch othergames as well.
But the casual fan who won't watch anybody but their team,
who will turn the Saturday nightgame on and watch it or to 4:30

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to 3:30, if you lose them with this dumb shit, that's when the
bottom falls out. And it's going to be everybody's
going to be begging for money, everybody.
So yeah, Kyle, you've been looking.
Hardest computer there. What?
What is it the Lakers on? Yeah, the Lakers is on, but I
thought I just been looking at different stats and all types of

(01:20:37):
stuff. Like the the 247 thing really
intrigued me about Montgomery. I didn't pay attention to it
until just now. Just I mean, they they got a lot
of stuff in there. I got a deep dive and look at
what they were just talking about.
I think it's called the seven. I think it's like labeled the
seven differences of from Bowen to Montgomery.

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I've just been paying attention to that.
It's a lot of stats in there. That's like, OK, I'm interested,
man. I'm interested just to see
what's going to happen and to see what what's route we're
going to go and then when somebody's going to tell pry,
hey man, what you doing is fucking dumb.
Let's do something different. There you go.
Well, again, I, I, I've said this three or four times, Tally.

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He's already decided to do that himself because it takes stones
to fire people. It also takes stones because he
literally brought in someone with a hell of a lot more
experience and a lot of times that don't happen.
So yeah, But I can't wait till you.
It's going to be about what timeis it right now, 10:00, Give me

(01:21:43):
12 hours. Tally's going to be sending us
all these stuff. He's looking up and found and
said look at this, look at this.Yeah.
And I love it because that's theway it's supposed to be.
All right. Well, did anything break like we
we hadn't heard like we are hiring a coordinator or a
different coach or anything, have we?
No, we're not hiring 1/3 coordinator, so right.
Are we making somebody just a special teams only coordinator?

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That's the hope, right? We can only, we can only hope
with. This maybe maybe.
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