Season Primer: Part 1

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The. And welcome back to the Boundary
Corner Podcast, a part of the College Huddle Network, along
with my partners, Brian Siegler,Jonathan Talley, Shelton Moss in
our extended family, 57 in the program #1 In Your Hearts,

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Dwight Victoria, and Fresh from the 757, The Playmaker,
Christopher Lester. This episode, as always, is
brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at Counts Family
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out there. He's like cigar on the canoe.
But I'm going to tell you, man, hey you.
Know. And nothing like.
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feels to be in nature. Hey Tally, you got to, you got

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to do one of these like one of the bed reviews too for every
bedroom you got to pop in the bed.
I need I do the bathroom. I do the bathroom.
I do the mattress rating, a pillow rating, rate the
bathroom. I'll rate the bathroom because
it's all about like how you feelwhen you sit on the throne,
because you know, as a as a listen, I know we're going to
get into the show. Sheldon.
I know you ain't got no kids yet.

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Everybody else here has kids. So I'm I'm going to prep you to
something. Me and dad use the bathroom to
get away from their family. So you got to have a comfortable
toilet. I mean, legs going numb.
Proper light. Yeah, proper lighting and.
Plenty of air. And the Wi-Fi got to be right.

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You got to have a good bathroom.You got to get that.
So throw a little bit of a stoolin there.
Keep the legs higher. That way you don't they don't go
to. Sleep.
The moment the moment you get the moment you're in that too
long, somebody is going to be either calling that phone on the
door because it's something for you to do around that house.
So enjoy your bathroom breaks right now Sheldon, because when

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you have kids or you get marriedor anything or even a spouse
like it's over. You got no free time.
You know he was just telling youman.
So check the bathroom out everybody if.
You haven't got any of those. What have you been doing in
there text? Oh yeah, you.
Ain't really living. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah, you.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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Yeah, Sheldon, where you stay at, man?
Where you stay at? You're on now We can't hear
Sheldon. Check 2.
There we Sheldon. Come on, Sheldon.
Oh no. No, Curtis.
Curtis, you don't cursed him. You don't cursed him.
You don't curse shit. Damn.

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Man. Steve Steven in the chat said.
Steven in the chat said imagine having three daughters.
I don't want to. Just go in and.
Come back out, it's a reset. Yeah, we're good.
We're good. We'll get it you.
While Sheldon's figuring out hismic.
Dwight, Chris, have y'all been? Hey, yo, go ahead.

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I I've been I've, you know, whenI've been out here saving the
world, you know, and then laughing a little bit.
Chris is like one of my Chris isone of my biggest fans on my
personal Instagram because I acta fool on my personal account.
I mean, I post you want to laughyou because that's my you know,
I'm a therapist by day. So like, you know, I do my

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podcast as y'all know, but like I'm a family man, but like my
recipe for coping and managing all the stresses in this world,
especially someone that's a licensed mental health therapist
is humor. I just post foolishness ignorant
and I love it. It's my private account.
So yo, if you don't like Jay-Z said, if you don't like it, it

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cost you nothing, pay me no mindkeep it moving.
You know what I'm saying? Don't me, but I I'm looking
forward to talking tech because I purposely I think the last
time I really talked tech was during the spring game when I
don't know who jumped on and dida little live and and and it was
it was crazy because that was like the first spring game

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because you got to understand something I probably have been
to. I mean, I had a streak of like
16 straight years. I did not miss a spring game.
And you know, even that year wascancelled when they had Bucky
Hodges in them. I was still up there.
It got cancelled right before the game.
So but I've been blessed, man. Got the oldest daughter, she in
college, my middle son, Zay. We move him on on Sunday.

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He starts. I mean, he was down at Wingate
for the summer pool scholarship.He ended up having like 10
offers, 10G2 offers. But I'm going to tell you right
now, and I'm not, I'm not on theLavar Ball stuff.
Like he's special. He's almost 68 now.
Like he's long strong. He did that fork union prep
year. He got that fork union weight on
him. And then my youngest daughter

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just made the JV volleyball teamat Gainesville High School.
So I got two out of my 3 in college.
Got it. And then my third one is at a
very competitive volleyball program at Gainesville.
She made the JV team as a sophomore.
So, and then my nephew, shout out to my nephew.
He's got 16-D1 offers. You know, he Tech, he's coming

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to the Tech Vander, but rememberthe name.
He's a junior this year at Bethel High School.
He plays everywhere and he is, his name is Derek's sister.
He's my sister's son. And Oh yeah.
Yeah, I know he's, I know him. Yeah, he's UVA 1 Tennessee
Facetimed him the other day. I don't know if that's legal,
but whatever. Anyway, yeah.

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We. Tell him call compliance.
Call compliance. He's a kid.
Y'all going to be asking me who he's going with, You know, And
he's starting to, I think it, it's really cool because if you
know, the Victoria family, including my wife, my cousin
Octavian went there and my othercousin Khalifa, Mike Marcus,
myself, my wife and my other cousin Octavia, who if I didn't

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say her name, she's an attorney down in Atlanta.
So you're talking about a lot ofpeople from our family that went
to Virginia Tech, man. So we'll see what happens with
Derek. Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's,
he's in my book of guys to go see, you know.
Yeah, I'm telling y'all, hey, listen, when I do to my I told
you shows, I told y'all going way back, if you follow me, I

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told people about Greg Stroman. I told you about Greg Dortch, I
told you about Daz Newsome. Everybody said Greg Stroman will
never play at Tech. He's too small.
He's too, too thin. I'm like y'all don't understand.
I told people about Eddie Royal when he was at Westfield
Cooking. I said we got a dog.
And like, you know, it's just one of those things man,
sometimes people have to see forthemselves.

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So I don't do manufactured height.
If I speak on something, look, Itold y'all, y'all know this?
I said in the comments on boundary Corner, Caleb Woodson.
I told people they were like, well, he's young, he's not
ready. I'm like this is the.
Thing too, I'm going to throw this out right quick, Dwight,

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just while you while you hittingon that, when you talk about
when you talk about kids that goto a high level school, a high
level D1 school, that's VirginiaTech, whether you want to
believe it or not, it is UVA. You know, that's a high level D1
school. When you have somebody that
comes out of high school and goes to these schools and they

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start, that's a big accomplishment.
So when you have somebody that you know, maybe talks about a
kid and says, you know, this kidis special and then they go to
college and they start, even if the stats aren't there, they
don't make it to the next level.That's like a 1% thing.
So whenever I hear people talking about kids, I just look
at like, just say, you talked about Caleb Woodson, right?

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OK, so when Caleb Woodson come in, I'm like, is he going to be
a starter? Soon as I seen him, soon as I
seen him suit up, I'm like he he's he, he should be a starter.
So you're right. Whenever I hear somebody say
something like that, and I'm just throwing that to the chat
because sometimes people are like, oh, well, this person
didn't do nothing or they didn'tmake a all ACC.
We don't, they don't. That is not what we talk about

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like going into college and playing and getting to the next
level. Totally different thing We just
talking about when you speak in high school, moving into
college. So just want to throw that out
there. Look real quick for you.
I know Kurt and Brian got it. Y'all got to do y'all thing and
I'm looking forward to it and Shelton.
But just to add to that, I thinkin the microwave stage of

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college football, Nili think onething that needs to talk and I'm
big on this. I don't care if you had Alabama
or Miami, it's OK for a player and a family and even fans to be
patient. I think right now with the
transport portal, NIL, we just think development is going out
the window. And I just think you got to
understand development is still essential on the collegiate,

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high school and pro, even youth football level development.
Everybody wants to rock with CamChancellor now.
Shout out to the GOAT. But at the same time, Cam
Chancellor developed at VirginiaTech.
They played them right. It's a lot of guys that develop.
My biggest I told you show of all time Mike Vick.
He came in tech and he'll tell you he was so glad the red shirt

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that red shirt did wonders. His his his brother, who was an
icon, a national Gatorade playerof the year at football and
basketball. Ron Mccurry down the street at
North Carolina. I I Davenport got hurt.
Ron didn't get a chance to red shirt and develop and you know
you and again you can say oh, hewent to look and involve hating
on Carolina. That development is still one of

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the things people need to understand.
A lot of players need that man. Like some of your favorite
household names that are developed so you come in and
start at AUVA or Maryland or Miami or Colorado or Oklahoma or
even a mid major Marshall. It don't matter at this level.
Just to be in the 2 deep is insane, especially with the kids

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now. The kids now are insanely
athletic, right? Without question, Without
question. No live spoken.
Not one single live spoken. Yeah, go ahead, Curtis I.
Was going to say before we get into the season, we got some
other shit we got to hit on that's happened since the last
time we talked. So you got you got to update

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Dwight, where are you rocking, right?
Now where are you rocking real quick, Sheldon, since you got
cut off and he's still. Oh no, we still ain't got you.
Oh man, that's my God too. I need to hear from Sheldon.
I need, I need Sheldon, man, he.Going to give me he will Curtis
we Curtis. I'm not sure what was going on,

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but we had it when he came on so.
We did. We'll get it.
Right, we'll get it right. While he's figuring it out,
though, Brian, let's hit a couple of these little news and
notes before we get into the season.
Yeah. I mean, I, you know, there's a
lot of things that have kind of been going on.
The thing I wanted to talk aboutfirst is, you know, looking at

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that tampering situation, NC Central, ultimately a running
back to the end of going to to UVA.
But apparently we had somebody down at the game, but possibly
there was some conversations there.
What's y'all take on this? Is this a nothing burger or is
this something to actually talk about?

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Hold on, can I say something before I let our esteemed guests
and our esteemed You didn't get him as the worst piece of
tampering I've ever seen. If you didn't get the kid, it's
the worst piece of tampering I've ever seen, man to to me, to
me honestly, it's a big nothing burger because at the end of the
day, the kid was going to make adecision.

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He was leaving to go somewhere. So if it was somebody from the
staff or the way the story came out, it was somebody was a
friend of somebody down there, but the kid was leaving either
way. So to try to throw us underneath
the buses, if you know, we down there hunting for guys in North
Carolina Central. Listen, we caught lightning in
the bottle with basil from A&T. You know what I'm saying?

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It's not like we going to go find another, you know, HBCU
back is going to be able to comehere and play with the guys we
have now going to get base shovels to be able to bridge the
gap. We've got guys that can play.
So I mean him yelling us out, you know, maybe, you know, keep
people up your sideline. But I mean, it's it's North
Carolina central, bro. It's North Carolina central
stop. So, so my thing, the thing that

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gives me is I can understand if he had a problem, whatever, deal
with it. But he makes all this song and
dance and do all this extra stuff.
I'm like like Chris said he leaving, the kid was leaving
anyway, right? So he leaves and goes to another
school. So you said so this school
pissed me off. So I'm going to be a fan of this
school and they going to beat the crap out of this school.

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He's still like at your school. Like I can understand if he said
well, I'm going to stay here because they tried to, you know,
tamper. I'm going to stay and finish
here. Like come on man, to me what it
sound like and I'm just keeping it real.
Somebody didn't greet somebody'spockets.
Somebody wanted something out ofthe deal, they didn't get it and
had a problem with. It that's a lot.
Hey, my it's a nothing burger, bro, Like it didn't make any

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other. Nobody was talking about it.
First of all, no, did they? They didn't never say who the
coach was, right? No, they never said all right.
So like, you know, dude could have been in the area wanted to
check out some ball or he might have had a little Shorty a side
piece. He was going to see, you know,
this grown man business like youdon't.
I'm telling you, like people. I when I used to work at group

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homes, I used to tell my my clients because they were high
school age. I used to be like, look, I'm Mr.
Victoria up in here. But when in this one, I was in
my 20s when I was still playing adult flag and trying to get
back in the league. I was like, Yo, when you see me
outside, I'm Victoria and they used to be like, yo, what that
mean? You don't want to find out.
And they were like, Yo, Mr. Victoria crazy.
It's not crazy. It's more so like, I got things

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I'm into nothing illegal, nothing weird, you know,
nothing. Eyes wide shut with masks and
whips. I'm just saying like, I, I, I'm,
I'm doing me like don't, don't, don't think.
I don't know. I didn't care because I'm like,
bro, you breaking the cold, man?Because listen, one thing I
learned having a coat, a son recruited and a nephew who's

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highly recruited and other people I've helped, even going
back to the days of Deshawn Han and Jalen Holmes, understand
this right here, bro. Just Oh my God.
These coaches are a brotherhood.So that's you know, we we owe
UVAI hate Miami, whatever. But when they all hanging out at
these coaching clinics, they drinking together, they talking
about crazy parents. You're right.

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It just so like to me that was athat was a violation.
You could have text dude and be like, hey, yo, what you doing
man? I don't want to have to come at
you anyway. Nothing, nothing burger.
That's a nothing burger. Sheldon Real.
Quick, so nothing burger. Am I back yet?
Yeah. There we go.
There we go. Yeah.
Loud and clear, Loud and clear. Yeah, it's a nothing burger.

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Although I will note that I'm not philosophically opposed to
cheating. So I would say even if we
weren't cheating, I don't care and we could cheat better.
I. Got I got you.
I love my song opposed to cheating.
Show tell, tell, tell Dwight real quick where you currently
are residing. Yeah.
So I'm down in the 757. I'm in, I'm in Williamsburg.
I I don't know if it's the 757 properties.

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Yeah. You.
You live in good. See, Williamsburg is where we
went for the field trips when I was in middle school and high
school. And it was always awkward
because you go to Colonial Winsburg and they were like, you
know, I went to urban school, Hampton High School, and they
like over here is where the slaves slept.
I'm like, bro, but Williamsburg.Williamsburg, though, you live

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in good. I do love and miss Busch Gardens
the Water Country, but I'm too old for that now.
I was, I was just at Busch Gardens yesterday, man, I took
my son for that, for the afternoon.
Never too. Old for water country bro.
You're never too. Old.
You know what I mean? You're right, you're right.
I just used to get in that wave full back in the day.
But you know, I'm team Wesley Slice.

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I would get out, you know, I hadno lotion.
So I was Ashley Larry after that.
We got an eyes wide shot of the Ashley Larry reference in.
The 1st 5, hey, you know I'm going to have fun, man.
Y'all my guys, we're going to have fun for the viewers.
I'm going to give y'all, I'm going to give y'all plenty of

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reels. You know what I mean?
I'm going to give y'all plenty of reels.
Callie. Yes, Sir.
Speaking of the 75, we got some good news the other week.
Yeah, so ODU, yeah, ODU series is is cancelled.
Let's see here. It's got we got games that's

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going to be played 2526 and 30 still in Blacksburg.
All the Norfolk games are cancelled.
Sorry, Chris. Now, this is this is my take.
This is my take first, that's because I'm talking about it,
but this is my take When you when you scheduled that.

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But to me it was done. But anyway, you scheduled it.
We was at a certain position. Some people said, OK, you need
to get down there and recruit. No, just recruit better like big
schools in the state. I don't care what y'all think.
Alabama, Auburn, Oh, we ain't Alabama.
Auburn in Virginia, you're close.
Alabama and Auburn ain't going to UAB, which is a good school.

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Alabama and Alabama, they're going to South Alabama.
They're not going to those schools and play.
First of all, they ain't going to play them because they ain't
got nothing to like gain from it.
But if they do play them, they're going to make them come
to them. So like where I live in
Huntsville, AL A&M, historicallyblack school played Auburn.
They didn't come to Huntsville to play them.

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They made them come to Auburn toplay them.
They made them. Come that's.
Right. So things like that is just
like, even if you're not in a certain position, you need to
try to run the program like you going to get to that position.
So I didn't really like the series from the beginning.
But then when you go down there and get your ass whooped and get
your stuff stole, you can't backout then because you look like

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you're running. So you got to stay and and play
a couple of games. But now it's the time.
OK, if we going to play y'all, y'all got to come see us.
You know what I'm saying? Come on down here, take your ass
whooping gone back to the house.I'm, I'm going to throw it to,
to Dwight right here because I know that that was he was knee
deep in that whole series because you got a daughter that

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was going there too, right? She's a she's a rising senior
and you know, we took that L So let me speak on this.
I was probably the front runner on Twitter, or I'm going to call
it Twitter. I don't call it XI was the front
runner on there. And I I was adamant, even if we
had one that year, that we should not be going down there.
And This is why I feel like sometimes the people with shirts

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and ties, it's not because I played, it's only because I know
the 757. I was there during the golden
era and I understand the dynamics recruiting.
Like for example, you know, people say we got a beach kid.
A beach kid is they have tons oftalent in the beach kid and on
the beach side, the South side. But you know, Norfolk,

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recruiting a Norfolk kid is completely different from
recruiting a beach kid. Same thing with a new or
Portsmouth kid, Norcom versus a kid that might be at Salem.
So playing old to you and being old to you is not going to sway
a kid. The thing you got to do when you
recruit is connect with the streets in the 757 and the eight
O 4. And the reason it's not to say

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it's about being urban or hood. It's more so the demographic and
the relationships down there arewith the guys like my homie Red
and all the people that ran the thoroughbreds and things like
that. The trainers, the guys that are
the youth leagues, you know, those guys in the barbershop.
That's one thing Stein Spring was a master at.
He was a household name playing old to you.

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I said on Twitter. We benefited nothing.
I was adamant about cutting the ECU series even though ECU
recruited me. Loved ECU a lot.
It was a great game there when Iplayed but when we signed I felt
like a death sentence to play them for 20 something years.
I remember just back when I usedto write for Rivals and before I

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went to 247 and I wrote for themand I and A fan hit me and it
was a booster. I know when a booster hits me,
my mentions, they talk completely different than a fan
and he was like Dwight, you needto understand they cut us a
serious check during the tragedy.
I said good for them, thank you.We don't owe them anything more
than just what we give them withthe football piece.

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And again, when ECU was very good before roughing that got
let go, it was a game that made sense because they had the
respect. I just felt like we overreacted
and when we cut ECU, we really to this day, man, and I've
talked about this on y'all y'allplatform before.
One thing tech has to understandyou never want to be and we have

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a history of this somebody's signature win.
We will owe to you. We will owe to.
You liberty. And see nothing.
I don't want to bring up just Fuente because it's not just
him. It was Wit and even Weaver to
some degree, God rest his soul, that overreacted to these
series. And you got to know your brand.
You got to know your worth. We're trying to get back there,

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but O to you, I remember walkingout and that's why I said I
can't go back there because thatwas a fan behind me.
He was talking a little recklessand it you know, they beat us
the year we went three and eightand I he was just talking to
calling us chokeys and all that,and I turned around.
Of course, his body language shifted, but I wasn't about to
put my hands on him. I just told him, like I said,

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you think we're really the Virginia Tech you grew up on?
This ain't really a signature win for y'all.
Mind you, this was the second time they beat us.
The first time really threw us off our path.
I started, got her, broke his leg and on top of we were 13th
in the country off a great win against FSU.

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And that whole week I was completely anxious because I
knew the team was up for it. But that was a solid ODU team
and playing in that stadium and the way our fans travel, it just
didn't make sense. I was elated that we did that
because you got to respect your own brand.
And you know, I don't believe inI believe in helping the the in

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state schools, but UVA and Tech have overreacted both.
I know this is a tech show, but UVA and Tech both overreacted.
And here's my push back. One last point.
And I remember I got a little push back on this on Twitter,
but I don't run from confrontation.
I'm like, OK, so it's all about helping the smaller in state
schools. OK well bet that get Hu and
Norfolk State and Union on Virginia State on your schedule

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then get them HPC. They need the money they.
Need. To get real, they get real
quiet. When I cleared that, they got
real quick. When I see that let's get
Norfolk State now. Well, be careful now because
it's there. But my point being is if you
really want to help in state schools, help some HBC us out
Liberty. OK, yeah, I get it.
You don't need. Any money but but.

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But but like you said, bring stayed up the street, you know,
put a little bread in your pocket, you know, give them a
little exposure, give them a little back down the road.
We're getting to a point where that stuff's not going to happen
anymore because it's somebody put it in the chat get WVU get
Tennessee. You got to have eyes on you and
I like what you said Dwight and I and I'll copy it and we're

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going to move on to the next subject.
Those that we were there Super Bowl.
They got up so hard for those games.
Their fans got up so like it it was lose lose you you beat them
by 40. You you lose from Jesus Christ.
Go ahead, Brian. I.
Was just going to say like the other thing I got like, you

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know, Dwight, you were talking about, you don't need needing to
know the, you know, the barbershop, the thoroughbreds.
Like if you're not connecting with those people and if you're
not in the high schools, it don't matter whether you're
playing one game down in Norfolkevery other year.
Yep. Like that's not moving the
needle. That's not doing anything from a
recruiting standpoint, so. AOB yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

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Your point. Because you, you just, you go
ahead because there's something about you say about Norfolk.
Yeah, I was just saying like at at some point, if you're not
doing all the things you need todo to close the deal on these
guys, just playing a game down there is is not changing the
trajectory of whether a player is going to come to to
Blacksburg or not. It's not.
And just to your point, I went to the Maury Highland Springs

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state championship game. Maury was missing instead of
running back and somebody else. Highland Springs, that was their
5th state championship under Lauren Johnson, right.
And I remember I went and Maury,this is Maury.
They are they are arguably the best program in the state right
now. They're one of the tops, right.
And I remember going there and the eight O 4 Richmond was well

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represented to the point and I'mnot even it didn't matter for
me, but Highland Springs had more players there.
It was a cold day in Norfolk. Maury's down the street, but a
lot of those guys were watching on their phone around the way.
Yeah, that's what I mean about Chris and I are 757 guys when I
talk about seven cities down there, including the surrounding

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areas, Williamsburg and those areas.
You, you even though you are 30 minutes apart, whatever, 30
miles apart with the tunnel and all of that in close proximity,
for a lot of people going acrossthe water is a chore with the
tunnel. You know, like I'm, I'm this
like that's why I was like y'all, they got to start
consulting with people that actually and I'm not taking

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shots at and Whitney and his staff because I I talked away.
I'm just saying at the end of the day, all these people that
get paid these salaries, I'm like, talk to somebody that
knows consult. Listen, I'm a big movie and TV
show guy, right. If you talking about like if you
own like the wire or if you trying to watch power or

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something, the first thing you do when you go to a new area is
find the plugs and the connect. And you find.
You find out where you can go, who really running stuff.
We just run down there and do a thing with owe to you.
And I'm just like, bro, I'm gladwe did win that last one down
there. But still them other ones
because again, Liberty, JMU and and ODU celebrate those wins.

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And here's the thing about JMU. One time they beat Virginia Tech
in the history of their program,they still celebrate that.
Still talking about it. Still talk about it we.
Won the ACC that we went to the Orange Bowl, yeah.
So I'm glad, yeah. Listen, I got to throw a plug in
there right quick because we've been talking about a couple
things for my people. That's new.

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Y'all shouldn't be new. If you ain't been watching.
You need to watch every week. We're going to be coming out
with some stuff that's going to be great because that's what we
do. We do have an interview.
We got an interview that's we, we got it in the in the toaster
right now. We're going to let y'all know
when it's hot and ready and we'll pop it out.
Talking about a lot of these things that these guys have been

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bringing up. We got a kid, y'all may know
him, you may not. But anyway, Keelan Adams, we do
have a interview with him that we will be releasing soon.
And I'm just bringing up that hetalks about, you know, even the
tunnel, going home, driving fromtech to home, how the tunnel
effects his, his, his, his driving home and things like

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that. So things like that are when
Dwight talks about talking to the people who actually do it
when you're recruiting a kid. And I don't want to get too deep
into it. I'm going to let Keelan do his
talking when it when it drops. But when you recruit a kid and
you have somebody who has been in that in those shoes or still
in those shoes and say, Oh yeah,yeah, I'll make that drive all

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the time. Or I go this route all the time
and this is easy or this is hard.
That's recruiting. You know what I'm saying?
1 fucking game going down there and getting robbed and and
getting stuck in an elevator ain't going to help you win or
lose a kid like. We got.
We got. You've got to.

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Come on man. Yeah, he said.
Dealing with that tone and everything else, like I said, if
you don't have people that are there talking to people.
We had one kid that was a big heend up going to school up north
and I think I talked to that kidlike 7 or 8 times, right?
And he told me every time he's like, listen, if you know, if

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y'all were in the big 10, I would have went.
But he came and some went and met his trainer over in Norfolk.
But he was a kid that was, you know, went to war and y'all go
decipher through all that. So it's to the point man, kids
got to make a conscious decisionto it's a it is a definite, hey,
when am I leaving to go through the tunnel because I know I got
to get over here. If I'm going to train tonight at

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7:00, I can't leave from over there at 6:00 because from 3:30
to about 5530 you sitting in traffic.
Right. No doubt.
And and and that's and that's life.
And you have to deal with that. If I'm going to tech, I'm like,
I what am I leaving? If I want to get there by 4?
I got to leave out of here by 9:00.
My wife fusses with me on a regular basis.
I was like, hey, babe, let's getacross the tunnel before we get

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something to eat. Now I want to eat on this side
and then we always get damn caught.
She listened tonight. So I wanted to know it's your
fault when we late going up the tech because you want to eat on
this side. We don't cross the water.
Just a lot. We don't support what he's
saying. And look, look and check this

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out. Here's another little nugget.
Last year, ODU believe, I believe they signed 28 players
out at a high school in the portal.
None were from the 757, not one number. #2 #2.
Being a certified 757 ambassadorthat I am right?
Check this out. The way our area operates, you

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got to have credibility. Even though OD U's had some
great moments. My daughter goes there.
I know some guys on the footballteam.
I respect them. Chris Malone, former tech guy
coach there, Stein spring coach there.
I I love the basketball program.I love the school.
But here's the thing, guys in the 757 when they made a

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decision to recruit based off that matchup, nobody around the
way is going to be like, oh, yo,I seen y'all be old to you.
That's not the same that you gotto understand how again, the
demographic and the way the culture in our area in the 757
works. Everything's about big matchups.
Like it's it's not it's not about like, OK, it's cool,

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because it's not like you go down there and you do enter the
Sandman. It's not like you go down there
and then on top of it his. Work is.
You had you don't at the time when you went down there that
one year, you were 13th in the country.
But even in that year you were fresh off of FSU with, but you
didn't have any household names.You had talent.

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You had, you know, all Trayvon Hill, but you didn't have we are
big on household names. Everyone is not just tech fans.
So, for example, Kyra on drones go down there.
Oh yeah, I'm going to see drones.
I'm going to see KD because KD is must see TV Tooting.
Those guys are how again, I don't.
It's saying this like nobody that was on the previous teams.

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You going down there with a transfer of quarterback that's
the size of a toddler or muppet babies?
That's not going to work, man. Hello man.
Hello. Hello.
Hello, Dwight Curtis. Curtis, what you got for me,
man? Because Dwight finna get
started. Yeah, Do I download the clip
tonight? Let's go.

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I'm just saying go ahead Kurt, I'm just y'all, y'all know me.
Look at the end of the day, I'm just saying man, like I'm just
speaking on what I know. If we were talking electrical
engineering, I'll be on mute. I'll mute myself.
I can't talk. I can't hear you, Curtis.
Mute Curtis Sheldon, take it for.

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Sean, what you got? Oh, he's gone well, all right.
Well, I think that was good discourse.
We're talking about just some news and notes from around the
the Hokies here in the ACC as well.
Injury reports. ACC recently announced that
they're going to require teams to release injury reports in
football, basketball, both basketballs and baseball as
well. That had been talked a little

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bit for a while now, at least for all conference games.
So obviously we know why this ishappening, mostly because of
sports betting, because of how many, how much money people have
in the line here. And I saw it was it was funny.
I saw someone on Twitter joke that Brett probably would
probably just list every single person on the roster as
questionable. OK, some some ambiguous, some

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ambiguous injury timelines as oflate and some questionable
personnel decisions with regardsto some injured injured.
Players. Last year.
So I think it's I mean, I think it's fine.
I I'm not a sports betting person, but I can understand
from that perspective why it canbe frustrating when you don't
you know, when when certain people have inside information
that other people don't have whythat can lead to some problems.

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So I think it's I think it's good.
Well, for me, I mean, go ahead. OK, I can be hurt.
No, go ahead, Chris. No, no, I'm going to go ahead.
Go. We listen.
Well, I mean, it gets to, I likewhat you said.
It's almost perfect. It's like those injury
timelines. So us as fans who aren't Privy
to everything, you know, sometimes we are, sometimes we
ain't. I don't know is what it is.

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If you keep putting somebody questionable in 2-3 weeks, they
ain't like they ain't questionable.
They're out. They're fucking hurt.
So you can't, you can't put thatfacade anymore, especially
because the way Tech plays this year, after week four, week 5,
we have nothing but conference games from the 1st of October to
the end of the season. So there is going to be no

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facade. If somebody's hurt and they keep
saying questionable, questionable, questionable, like
they're not questionable, they're out.
They're fucked up. Yeah, yeah.
Hey, Brett. Brett played that game last
year, man, was it? Was it?
He was Syracuse. Syracuse.
He played it perfect though, youknow what I'm saying now when
you talk about cheating, when you talk about cheating, like

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I'm a cheater, I like to cheat when it comes to sports now,
like if I can cheat and get awaywith it, I'm good.
So if you can work that, if you can work that system the way he
did to kind of be have some people off to Oh yeah, yeah,
just warm up and act like we cango, hey, you got to finish the
game and then it looks right though, you know what I'm
saying? If.
You. Finish the game and it looks

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right, then I'm good. But like, yeah, they're going to
put they're going to put an end to that man.
Because when you start to get into the NIL stuff and you got
people that you know, probably have some things tied to it and
you know, this person is is is marketing this team and they're
expecting to see their logo hereon this game and then it doesn't
happen. That's where you start to when

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money gets involved, some stuff get real, so.
Definitely, I mean, we we saw that last year when money got
involved, a lot of folks that, you know, couldn't should have
been playing, didn't play because the money was on the
line. So I mean, you know, it, it is
that that's, that's that's how it ends up happening.
So this is just the next step with that, with them putting out
the engine reports. But it's going to be to the

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point, Hey, if a guy they're going to make everybody.
So if you're going to play on Wednesday, then they'll monitor
it out and look at it. But at the end of the day, man,
you got to get wins that that the move that they made with
Syracuse was masterful. It was out there.
Yeah, everybody stayed quiet. I was so proud of that
situation. And it is what it is, man.
They're going to have, they're going to have to make people put

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it out there. Yeah.
Definitely will. One more thing before we get
into the season, and this is forthe future and it's about money.
And you know, Dwight, you're an alumni.
Sheldon, you're an alumni. Chris, your son will be an
alumni in the near future. Y'all seen it get posted about
with going to the board of visitors Friday this week and

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basically saying we are behind, we need money.
Y'all think he's going to get what he needs to get?
So go ahead. So I'll.
I'll, I'll you, you were harpingon this a little earlier, so.
Yeah. Well, he's, he's definitely not
going to get all of what he's going to get.
I think he probably, you know, wants to lay out everything he
wants to get. And hopefully you can kind of,

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you know, meet somewhere in the middle.
But it was really a pitch to sort of tell the board of
visitors, OK, this is what the plan needs to be.
This is the funding we need to have and we need to think about
all of the different avenues we can go about to secure that that
funding. So I certainly have my
criticisms of how things have been managed in the past.
I think, you know, we saw the the Reach for Excellence

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campaign that started in 2019 was like an 8 year plan.
It seems like it doesn't really exist anymore.
You know, they had the football enhancement fund that, you know,
kind of beat up the coaching salaries a few years ago when
when pride came in. But you know, we're still kind
of the spot where we're constantly trying to play catch
up. So I don't know.
I mean, I think there's a lot ofcomplexities, you know, becomes
like the real high, the high level.

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You know, funding mechanisms andjust like the internal politics
of these administrations. So I try not to kind of, you
know, delve into it too much, but I will say it's it's good
that BT is being proactive and trying to find new solutions.
But I just think that in the current environments without any
sort of like fundamental restructuring of certain
organizational sort of organizations like the Hokie

(40:49):
Club, I think they're they're they're, you know, fighting a
losing battle so. No, I, I with you, Shelton, You
know what I'm saying? Kind of what you're saying.
Maybe some stuff there that you do get.
But I mean, it's about wins though.
It's about winning programs. It's about winning sports.
If you can go, if you attack from a place of power, sure, you

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make it. Get what you want.
You know, I ain't going to say you're going to get all that,
but you got to put some stuff together, win the games you're
supposed to win and sneak some. You're not in any sport.
Then you can start talking aboutadding stuff and building and
all that because most people, they just get tired of you.
You know, they want you going anyway.
So when you're going to ask themfor stuff and you've been not

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handling it the way you're supposed to, you know, it is
what it is. Quick question though, that was
in the chat. Put that up that Marlowe posted
when she's talking about the thereports that says is the reports
just stating that they're injured or will it be detailed?
Yeah, I think it's my understanding is it's it's
follows the kind of NFL model ofprobable questionable and outs.

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That's my. That's my.
Understanding, right, Yeah, yeah, kind of like an but go
right. But going back to what you said
about the money, you know, watching ACC media day for for
to sit there and listen to Dabo say I made this decision 17
years ago to do the IPTY thing they do down there at Clemson

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and things of that nature and kind of piggyback.
And we're talking to Dwight and with John and with Tally.
I I'll be wanting to call them all kinds.
Jonathan J big yard, you turned around, you missed you missed
that window to get that coffer built up a certain kind of way.
If you missed that window by just saying, hey, get $10 to the
hokey, you know this, whatever month, you know, I don't have to

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give, I give, my wife gives every month.
And it's just to the point of saying, yeah, you did that when
you were in your heyday. You wouldn't have had this
problem with talking about we had money for this, that and the
third. It's great that they had a plan
for it, but they kind of missed that window.
So now we're to the point of nowwhere everybody's throwing money
into it and now we playing catchup.
So it's going to take a minute for us to do it.

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But winning helps people open, open people, people's wallet up
a lot quicker if you win. I I feel like, and I'm old
school on some stuff, new schoolon other other topics.
I feel like it's a simple formula.
If you know, if you the guy, youknow, I'm a movie guy.
So you like you like the movie casino when you know he kept

(43:29):
having to go back when Nikki wasacting up and Robert De Niro had
to go back and talk to the people like I need this.
I need that like they would likeyo make us money.
You better make sure these gambling.
You know, because Robert De Niro's rolling casino, if you
haven't seen it, he went there to make the mafia money, right
with Bamcock Robert De Niro. He got when you go to the board

(43:52):
of county supervisors and all ofthat, you got to bring money
because when I say bring money, I'm I'm talking about to wins
equal revenue. You know what I'm saying, Like
if, if I, I agree with Chris's sentiments, you know, the, the
whole notion of we missed the window, but you can circle back
on this. The thing about is, is that

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football drives the bus. Women's basketball is great.
Men's basketball at times is hitor miss.
I like Mike Young, but football drives the bus.
Track and field has been elite. They got win conference
championships, golf. For decades.
Tech fans mocked UVA for celebrating soccer and lacrosse
right when they were going 5:00 and 7:00 and 4:00.

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I've always said you don't want to become that school.
Six and seven is not the standard.
So like if I say, if Chris say, hey, Victoria, we need you to
put in for this money, this CashApp, give us this money.
Eventually we're like, yo, Chris, when I'm going to send
the results on my investment, right?
Absolutely. And you want some a.
Lot of things, especially in this economy right now, you got

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to be very mindful. Now I know a lot of tech fans
and Golden Hokies and Platinum Hokies, they'll donate, they'll
give money. I've been, I did the the Buff
Foster joint last year up here in Northern Virginia, the lunch
pail fundraiser. And they had me there because
they were like, you know, whatever storyteller, the way I
tell stories about tech and justwho I am.

(45:22):
I was honored to be there. And it was a they donated to Bud
Foster. I wasn't enjoying like I'm
looking at my wallet. I like I got to make sure I got
enough gas to get home. They wasn't enjoying who you
know, they were just auction offjerseys and lunch bells and they
throwing money and these are good people.
I'm at the table with them. They were asking for the arm

(45:43):
people and my thoughts, me and bud go way back.
Obviously they'll give money if they believe in it, but I just
feel like right now, man, like the product right now, you we
really would benefit from a major run right now just to get
the morale and energy up. Because the one thing, the one
entity that hasn't disappointed yet despite the turnover and

(46:06):
mishaps are the fans. They continue to show up.
Right, right. That's why this season is always
important. Yeah, definitely, definitely
brings us to why we here today. Just to talk a little bit about

(46:26):
the season preview, what we're going to be dealing with.
You know, big, big season for Brett Pryor, big season for him.
Probably most important season he's had since he's been here at
Virginia Tech. A lot of moves have been made
this offseason, thank the Lord Jesus, thank you.

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I'm glad you got rid of that stupid ass offensive line coach.
Thank you. I can go on and on, but I'm just
saying a lot of things have beenchanged up, moved around.
Great. How y'all feeling about this
season and which move do y'all think Kind of was the best move

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in each of y'all's opinion. I'm going to start with Shelton.
Well, I would say, I mean, I think they needed a change of
DC, even though it was kind of weird because some of the some
of the stats were good, but it was kind of weird because you
had like a bunch of wins againstbackup quarterbacks, you know
who, who weren't that good. And there's some issues with

(47:28):
linebackers development. So I think that was more of like
a, a qualitative assessment fromPride rather than a quantitative
1. I think you just felt like it
wasn't we didn't have enough consistency of the linebacker
position, which was more specialty or supposed specialty.
So I like Steve Kiss. I really think though, in terms
of what was the biggest upgrade,I think it was probably

(47:49):
offensive line getting getting that more.
I think they've they've really botched that that room over the
past couple years with how just how poorly they recruited it and
the the development. You know, we talked a lot about,
you know, how much the old line kind of Hanford, the rest of the
offense, Chiron getting injured,you know, not being able to, you
know, having to rely on tune allthe time.
Tune gets injured. So there were a lot of missteps

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there as as tally alluded to. So I'm really excited and and
and Matt Moore is a very well reputable coach.
Obviously the job he did at WestVirginia bring in some transfers
to a really talented remack all tuner, a couple other guys.
So I'm I'm really excited about about that room.
I just hope that probably can behere long enough to sort of see
the fruition of that work come together.
So if I had to vote for one, I would say Matt Moore probably

(48:33):
met met the biggest one. I'm really excited about him.
Chris, what you got from me? Listen man, all that sounds
great, but the biggest addition man was the guy who was already
in the building. Don't take my.
Answer. I got it.
I'm getting it. Strength and conditioning was
everything. We saw so many times in the

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third quarter they wilted because they were not strong
enough. You had games that you should
have won last year when you watch Cam Ward Daggum since we
movie buffs, right? You remember when Sunshine
flipped, flipped the linebacker after after after my man got
hurt. That's what Cam Ward did to

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Burgos and Spencer on 1/4 down play and you win and you beat
Miami, you get your signature win.
And it changed the whole complexion.
But strength and conditioning was everything.
Guys were in there not getting healthy.
People were getting hurt, not coming back.
Stroman left here. Strowman turned around and got

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hurt the year before he got back, and he did.
He played one game in Vanderbiltand never got back on the field.
That is all strength and condition.
And so getting Jared Ferguson, giving him the job, my guy, my
dude. And hey, you know, they look
bigger, they look stronger, theylook faster.
My kid looking like, you know, Igot to get a baseball bat on him

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and stuff like that. I'm just saying this, that's the
biggest thing, to be able to be strong down in the third and
fourth quarter. And that makes the difference.
We lost so many games because wewere winded and not strong
enough to win. All right, so so I'm going I'm
going to throw this Dwight. I know he he jumped on you.
I knew he was going to do that. I knew.

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But. But, but, but you know the
record, for the record, in your Twitter Spaces post game, I said
this after Game 2, because afterthe Vanderbilt game, I said
that. I said, you know, when you're up
2720, I don't care if you're on the road or a neutral site or
even at home, you finish that game.
Vanderbilt, you came back and you're up 7-8.

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And I know it was, it was unbearably hot.
But you don't lose that game. A tech defense that had
experienced it doesn't lead that.
But I mean, Chris took my answer.
But I mean, yeah, go ahead, No. No, no, no, no.
So when I was going to when I was going to throw to you,
Dwight, just because I knew thatwas your answer to to kind of
feed off that because you've been in those locker rooms,

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you've played and a lot of people ask the question because
they don't know. Some people will say, well, what
strength and conditioning have to do or what is a strength and
conditioning coach have to do with injuries or you know, when
somebody's injury and getting back, that's the that should be
the doctor that handles that. So.
Can you speak about that a little bit?
Well, I mean, I just, I just think, you know, when I remember

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my guy Drift on Twitter, he said, oh, I didn't know anybody
was calling for that. Then like 100 people tagged me
and he was like, oh, I never sawyou tweeting about him being
fired. I'm like, yo dude, no
disrespect, but that's what I ain't calling for.
Nobody. I always laugh when people do
that, call people be fired. I see everybody that I rock with
on Twitter. He needs to be.
They ain't listening to you. You got 77.5 followers.

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They're not listening to you. You're not.
They're not listening .5. Yeah, I was.
I was yelling. I'd definitely be yelling for
folks to get fired. No, I get it that that's, that's
the one. But for me, I'm always going to
be logical about. I just put it out there because
I know people hear me and see what I what I post when it comes
to strength and conditioning. If you watch the ACC media day,

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when Eddie Royal asked drunk drones about it and the transfer
from Wake, they both put their head down.
It's like, yo Jared, man, JD. And when he got the job, you saw
all the guys from those 2000 teams, you know all the guys
that played during the early ACCyears in 2004 and those years.
Talk about what Jarrett meant tothem, the Jr.

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Collins and all those guys, right?
I don't think fans understand. Even if you played, when it gets
to the Power 4, the D2, the D3, or even mid major level, your
strength and conditioning is thefoundation of your program.
Two things have to be in play, your recovery and also your

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endurance, which includes mentaltoughness.
They were not. They were not conditioning
during the season. I know this.
To me, they were not conditioning offseason.
The stream coach encouraged them, not Jared.
The other one that he replaced encouraged them to work out with
other people. You know what I'm saying?

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So, like, you got to understand the offseason program, when the
dead period happens, coaches can't talk to players.
They can't even be in the room. Does it happen?
Yeah. But most of the time you talk to
anybody that's played, you mightsee your position coach, they're
out recruiting, coaching clinics, golf, vacationing.
That means who has the players during the offseason, the

(53:38):
strength and conditioning. So.
This means like again, I'm I know I'm the OG, I'm old, but
here's the thing, I'm still relevant.
That means running stadium stepswith a weighted vest on flip
driving tires, pushing pickup trucks.
This is what Jared brings to thetable.
He's a, he's a Mike Gentry disciple with the modern day
approach. And what I'm saying, he knows

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what he's doing. It's not just an exercise
science degree you got out of a box of Cheerios.
This is a guy that has been UNC.Still look like he can play.
Yeah, man, just stop, man. He was a great warrior.
But from brother I, I, I Chris, I don't, I don't.
I didn't mean any harm. I was playing with him when he

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took my answer because I said this to him.
We talk after games, meet him and.
Talent. And I talked to Chris Coleman
from Texas Online and I kept saying we don't know how to
finish. I said they got to learn how to
win. But finishing is like, I
remember, I hate to bring up ODU, that law.
I say ODU but I remember and I was at 3 and 18, but I remember

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my son looked at me and said we're going to lose this game.
We had 4 dropped interceptions and he was like we're not making
game-winning plays. Now you say, well, Victoria,
what does that have to do with strength and conditioning,
mental toughness, fatigue, and Iquote, makes cowards.
Of us, all of us all that's a Jimmy.
John's quote tired and you're playing a solid Syracuse, you

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know, and this is how I know this works.
Every game. Last year we were up, Syracuse,
Clemson, we were dominating. I begin to get a little turn in
my stomach because in my mind I'm like, man, hopefully we can
hold on because we're not we're not going to we're not going to
hold up. We don't hold up.
You know, here's another example.
Go back and check the tape. I know Shell, you're great at

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this. Check the tape.
Look how many times in those games, in conference games where
you went 2-3 of them, you're going to a better bowl, more
money, more exposure. Look at the times it was third
and one, third and two, fourth and one, and we just get the
pile just moves. I'm like, man.
We are soft. Or you playing Miami and you're

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trying to win and you go for a fake field goal, Yeah.
Run it down their throat. So again, I didn't mean to be
long with on an answer, but I'm very about it because it's not
just about, you know, because somebody said, well, that guy
last year he had that squat record.
I said, listen, man, anybody that's played high school ball,
college or even pro knows it's alot of guys right now.

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I'm a member of lifetime Athletic here in Gainesville.
I see guys in there like and I'll be looking and they'd be
doing all that stuff making noise.
I'll be looking at them. I'm like, you know what?
I would run through him on 4th and one pause, but I would
destroy. It.
I can hear you. Go ahead, Chris.
Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead.
No, because it's got it's got tobe functional and movable

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weight, which is great because Kamari Copeland is a is a
workout warrior, loves the gym, does all those different things.
But it's just the the attitude around the whole gym and around
the program with those guys thatthey're they're cohesive to
working together, cheer for eachother and they fight they asses
off to get to the weekend. And that's what Ferg makes them

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understand that. I love the fact that that the
old guy had like attacked the day.
But when we're attacking in the day and nobody's coming back,
nobody's coming back from injury.
Guys are getting soft tissue injuries and they don't come
back and we are not finishing games.
Vanderbilt, we got tired. Syracuse, we got tired every
time we turn around in the game.We lost six games and the only

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game that we were out of the game totally, what we didn't
think we would win was the bowl game.
All the rest of them we could have won.
You win three of those daggum games.
We ain't even. It's a totally different vibe
around there. Me and Dwight probably would
have talked every day. Dwight didn't want to talk to me
because Dwight was like, I ain'ttrying to get none of that.
We've got to win. Curtis Mute.
You mute on me, I'll jump in. Together, I want to say while

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you get your sound together, Shelton's point about Matt and
the old line coach, that is probably my 1A answer.
I will say this, and everyone knows I advocated for Todd
Washington and it wasn't just because of our brotherhood and
the fact that I thought he was qualified.
I just felt like, and I've tweeted this every year when you
had Alabama and Georgia playing for the national championship or

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the the College Football Playoff, I kept saying on
Twitter, I kept saying on my pods and different things with
my guy. Danny notes.
Look at the direct correlation between the very good football
programs. We tend to look at the sexy
positions, the receivers and therunning backs and the five
stars. It's the Los, the line of
scrimmage. If you look, not just the SEC

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looking even in the ACC, the oldline and D line play have to be
critical. I thought both coordinators that
would let go, Boeing and Marv show flashes.
I just felt like the inexperience did us in and I
felt like, you know, with the old line thing, it reminded me
when Wyatt Teller was here, whenit was like, yo, what are we

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doing? I kept, you know, hearing from
the people in the program. Well, you know, he's he's young.
The other guy him has tenure. I said Wyatt Teller is a Cyborg
put. Him on the What do we?
And then they finally put and look, he's an all pro, you know.
So we got to start and I know wegot to, we're going to tap into
that, but we got to start reallygetting into putting guys in

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position that we know can help us quicker with the sense of
urgency. And if a guy's going to leave
because he got bench so he's notperforming, let him go.
I'll, I'll chime in with this real quick before we kick off to
the next question. I think in general we talk about
what's the best move, just making moves in general.

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Knowing 6 and 7, seven and six is not the standard at Virginia
Tech. That is the first thing that
people can fucking hate. Brent Pratt.
I hate him. He's stupid.
I won't fire. At least he had the balls to
fire a kid that he coached. He fired to fire other people to

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make quick moves. And believe it or not, I don't
think we've had this much experience at a coordinated
position in a long ass time. So Sheldon, you kick it off from
there because we do have a new offensive coordinator who
actually got a decent freaking background.
Yep, that's right. Talking to offense here, Phil
Montgomery comes in as OC. He was head coach at Tulsa and

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doubled as the OC there as well.He had a pretty good track
record of turning out quarterbacks, although it was
more so in the early 20s. Twenty twins, obviously with RG3
and a couple more when he was atTulsa, but obviously Kyron
Drones progressed last season. We talked before about how the
Hokies were not as efficient in the short horizontal passing

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games Team starts really take that away and there was their
bread and butter during the 2023season.
Then you had injuries, you know,off the line did not do a ton of
favors. All that combined to make for a
not great season statistically for Kyron, even though, you
know, he was obviously running alot and you know, kind of got
worn down as a as a scene progress.
So I'll, I'll throw this to Dwight because I'm interested to

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get his opinion here to start. What, what elements, what
element of his game play does Kyron kind of need to recapture
from that 2023 season to get back to the form that we kind of
know he can he can be at? That's a great question.
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a KD fan. I said last year he should have
been start. I mean, the year before that he

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should have been started becauseI felt like he gave us a
different dynamic. Virginia Tech was ahead of the
curve and their program when it came to dual threat mobile
quarterbacks, long before it became fashionable, long before
Mike got there. When you go back to the days of
Maurice, you say, so this is notto minimize my God, Will Ferrell
and Jim Drunkenmiller and even Brewer, their ability to win

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games and what they did from thepocket.
But I felt like Virginia Tech was head of the game.
Because if you look at the NFL right now, everything is RPO
action with the step of the kid at the Chargers and a few other
players, everything they've adjusted and brought RPO to the
NFL so much that they've talked about how long you can hold the
ball with his own read because it's too much of an unfair and

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advantage. I felt like the drones we saw
that first year, yes, they had more tape on him last year, but
I felt like he was healthy, but I also felt like he was in
control. I said in Dom V or Talley's
live, I said once Pride gives him the keys to the car, that
first year he took over, you're going to see him excel.
And Pride kept, you know, saying, well, you know, we need

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everybody all hands on deck. And I said he's got to give him
the key. I don't know.
I know KD, but I don't know him personally like that.
I know football players and I know the mindset.
And once he got to the keys to the car, you saw him take off.
They won seven games and they finished the season with a
strong note. 2 to him were a great combination.
I felt last year we went away from the game plan like so for

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example, I think Brady's the goat and I the push back to me
when people say Tom Brady's not the goat because of the system.
I always say name a offense and any level of football that
doesn't have a system. When I played for when I when I
played for Ricky Bussell and Stein Spring and those guys that

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coached at Tech, we had a system.
I feel like last year, the Vanderbilt game, I remember that
game. I'm like, why are we coming out
in four and five wise empty sets, throwing the ball, run the
ball. When you a healthy running game
as a quarterback's best friend. What I look for to do this year
is to play free. Don't think about the draft.

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You saw flashes of it where he looked like himself against
Miami. He played great again because
the running game with Pearson, Prelo's son.
And two were. Helping him also think in order
to help him, please, for the love of God, can we please start
using tight ends again, Not justin the RPO, but down the scene.

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We never attacked, not consistently the middle of the
field. I'm like, stop putting him and
throwing 9 routes to these receivers when you're not making
the safety read the field. I feel like, you know, people
talk about, oh, the pushback wasdrones can't see the field.
I feel like his tackle didn't make him feel comfortable and
they never even took him out thegame.

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I played old line about the quarterback feeling
uncomfortable. He's got to feel protected from
his blind side and up the middle.
He never looked like we ever addressed blitz pickup even off
of bye weeks. I'm like how do you not know
exotic blitzes and how to read different fronts?
But they weren't exactly. They weren't exotic, Dwight.

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You know some of them were. Some of them were.
I know what you're saying. Yeah, the majority of the time
is that he get the ball and he turned around and by the time he
look up, somebody's on on his ass.
You know, So what I'm talking about is like zone blister.
So when the DN, the defensive tackle drops and the linebackers
come up and the gaps, you know, understanding gap integrity from

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the offensive line perspective. So the answer to put a ball on
Shelton's question, man, I I really need drones to be able to
have a healthy running game and see the field and play his game
and and just get out of bounds slide more.
I think when you have a quarterback that's dynamic like
him, you see it with Lamar. You saw with my cousin got with

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morning way and Andy Reid when he got to Philly.
They allow yes you can talk about Deshawn Jackson and
Macklin, but I felt like having a shady McCoy and quarterback
RPO friendly plays really helpedhim.
What makes Mahomes great No one know for those watching and
that's going to see this. I'm not saying drones is
Mahomes, I'm saying Mahomes whenKelsey was injured and they took

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away Tariq Hill when he left, you saw him struggle a bit and
he did not have a great season last year.
So drones is still a dynamic quarterback and he's healthy,
but I feel like even without 2 and you got to have run game and
that means whoever the number one running back going into the
season. I said this as well the Georgia
Tech game when drones got injured that Hanford him.

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I said in week two, stop runningdrones.
I'm excuse me, stop running drones so much and stop relying
on one running back like you don't have other running back.
And and they did. They left.
We were up 21 to 10 or somethinglike that.
And 21/3. 21 three and it's liketake two now.
So it's you, you can run. I don't I I feel like sometimes

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Shelton and everyone else when coaches OCS get a mobile dynamic
quarterback, they don't really know how to use them.
And design runs are cool, but not so much to the point where
the old line up front in the middle is not getting a push.
So then all that stuff falls on drones.
So people talk about the backward pass against Rutgers or

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the tip interception that he threw when they were coming back
to drive. I think all of that stuff comes
down to continuity and confidence.
I feel like his confidence, he he was, I felt like last year I
saw him pressing a lot because he didn't feel comfortable in
the offense. And I no disrespect to Tyler
Bourne, I know him personally. Disrespect to him?

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Yes. Respect.
He can't. He can't.
He can't be 1/4. That was a lazy promotion.
He can't be a quarterback coach.And, and, and, and the thing
about this is that I never played quarterback.
When I talked to Let me Think, Mike Tyrod, guys that I'm close
to, they talk about the quarterback coach, like Marcus

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Vick when he was there, they hadto do from NC State of the guy,
Michael Caine. He loved, He loved Michael
Caine. He talked about him glowingly
because he said he taught him somuch and that's what we need.
So I feel like Shelton kind of touched on it like Drones has
got to be him and he's just got to understand you're going to

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have a shot to play in the league regardless because you
have the measurables and the skill set.
But the offensive coordinator has to help him.
Look back to my cousins Heisman year.
There was no Heisman campaign. He finished third in the Heisman
and a lot of times he would onlypass the ball in the game 1617
times and then he had screens slants 9 route. 9.

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Play action roll outs to Ricky Hall and Andre Davis and and
guess what go back. I know that was 1999 so
everybody calm down. I'm saying tight ends Slopkowski
and Browning win were a major part of the game plan.
Jim Druckenmiller had Brian Jennings, Tyrod Taylor.
I'm not Tyrod somebody. Brian Randall had Jeff King and

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Marcus Thicke had Jeff King who is drones tight end last year.
Benji Gosnell and his brother Stephen Gosnell, who's.
Playing, but Benji Gosnell was not utilized.
What did I? What did I tell?
You Benji Gosnell was used on screens.
Benji Gosnell was not used, as you said, Dwight right up the
seam making the safeties have tothink safeties instead of

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instead of working against Benji, we're jumping all of that
short and intermediate stuff. That's that Sheldon was talking
about earlier and that blew thatup.
You got safeties playing at or behind the line of scrimmage,
making plays because we're dumping the ball off to a tight
end or throwing something short to a running back and not using
the whole field to our advantage.

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And the way that makes. Sense and the way that gives the
quarterback some confidence. And I think that's the big thing
for me is that, you know, Dwight, you touched on it like
confidence was the big thing. And when we look back at 23 when
we saw Kyron playing with confidence, that's the Kyron
that we know and that's the Kyron that can go out there and
take over games. And I think between a
combination of offensive line problems, injuries, and just not

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utilizing the tools of the offense in a way that makes
sense it it put Kyron behind an 8 ball.
And like you said, Dwight, he started pressing.
Sometimes when you have an ability, when you are a a highly
able, talented quarterback and things aren't quite going the
way you want to, you end up do trying to do too much.
And I feel like there was a lot of moments last year where he

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was trying to do too much because he wasn't getting the
help and support that he needed.Yeah.
You're right. I see the message.
OK, you're right. O Kane came later it.
Was Rogers. But either way, you're getting
my drift. And this one final point to you
what you're saying BI told this to to Chris because he's got a
son on the team. I'm not surprised I'm up here in
the DMV. I'm not surprised Lane is

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killing it in Washington right now.
I know it's early. You know why?
Because when I talk about versatility and coaching and
game planning, I said Lane was our most consistent, my favorite
and most reliable wide receiver.We only used him one way in our
office. We never used him.
You never saw him and if you did, he still didn't get a touch

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like he should. Daquan Felton was only used on
straight 9 routes, so you never really made the offense versus
versatile. And I kept saying, I said, oh,
Virginia Tech didn't realize everybody in ACC how y'all came
on strong last year, they're going to watch tape.
I don't think the average fan realizes even with teams that

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don't make bowl games or even ifyou make a bowl game, there's a
for the quality Staffs to reallyelite Staffs.
There's a group of coaches that are game planning for next year.
That's it. That's it.
So it's like they just, they think, oh, how do they know?
We didn't do anything. We went to that Vanderbilt game
like Vanderbilt didn't watch film.

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They watch nothing watch anything that we did last year.
Oh, what a difference a year, a year tape make.
So my biggest thing is that you didn't have an identity.
See, this is the beautiful thingabout coach pride and most
people. He'll he he'll say something if
you listen and he'll tell you exactly how he feels.
He said in it with his if the ACC media day, we had to

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recreate the wheel every week. We had no identity of what the
offense was going to be from week to week.
We were great from the 20 to the20 and then we scored more
touchdowns on reverses, trick plays and screens like that
inside the red zone. Nothing.
That was a staple play that you could go and win.

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You couldn't beat Miami. When you turn around and got
that great play by by Spencer upthe sideline, you need it.
You need to make a point right there.
I'm getting 10 yards no matter what and you didn't have 4
plays. You can say I'm going to run
these 4 plays and stick and get this first down and put Miami,
Miami away. You scored in Miami, Miami fold
and you beat them in their building.

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So the biggest thing is having aguy like Coach Montgomery who
has had a track record, you go back and look at we always want
to go back to RG3. We'll go back and look at he he
put, he's always had 1000 yard receiver, a couple of guys that
got 67800 yards and 1000 yard running back.
So they're going to spread it out, get the ball in people's

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hands and can make plays and go from there.
The offensive line is going to be amazing because the one thing
Kyrie need more than anything else, it's time.
It's not it's that he don't needa lot.
He just need time. There were times where we would
see Bayshaw and him getting met with the defensive end or the
defensive tackle in the backfield baseball baseball game

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that led the country or was Thompson ACC for broken tackles
because he was always fighting the guy all right when he
getting the ball. So having time, having
experienced OC, this probably the best OC they've had.
I put this in a wire Ricky bottle.
This is the Ricky. Bottle.
No shot on time, Spring. Let's slow, let's slow down.

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Let's see what he do first. Experience.
Experience. We all see it.
Let me see. What?
He do, at least. At least be proven to know what
he's doing now you know he was down in your neck of the woods,
Dally, Wood, Auburn, but you already had an egomaniac and
Freeze. That's.
Right. So Freeze wanted to call plays
anyway. So I just believe Coach Monty
comes with a system. He's going to get the very best.

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He's going to highlight what Tyron does great right and then
enhance the things that he doesn't do well.
But I can tell you this right now, y'all can go look at all
the tape you want to last. Jay Lane didn't run a slant all
year. No, he didn't.
He didn't run a slant all year. That's.
What do you run 437 at the at the Commonwealth he ran a 437

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and he never ran a nine. Never ran.
Never ran a nine last year. But you turned around and like I
said, you had no identity. You had no offensive identity.
You were if baseball breaks one or, you know, we get inside the
20, we're going to run reverse with a green.
We're going we're going to run adouble reverse.
We're going to throw double reverse Philly special throw

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over the top the counter. We going to do some some janky
stuff to score touchdowns. But we never turned around and
just, hey, we got patented playsto you people.
You bet you guys never scored his touchdown win against Miami.
Why? Because you went right up the.
Scene. Right up the scene.
Yeah, that's what you like. You y'all said his name a few
times, so let's talk about him and what's going to happen since

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we lost him. Basil Tune, two seasons at Tech
definitely stamped himself up there in the upper echelon.
Over 2000 yards, single game record 266 against BCI.
Watched that out here in the backyard that night, but he's
gone. Yeah.
You don't just replace that guy.You never just replaced that

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guy. But you know, you had what Tyler
Mason showed. We had what Jeremiah showed
against Syracuse, and for some reason the fucking next week you
couldn't read him one time. Sorry, that's gonna stick on me.
I mean. He went nine for 96 and he
didn't get one carry against Clemson, but.

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Nope. Of the young guys on the roster
of the portal guys, because you see some of those guys running
play, they have skill sets. Chris Lester, Who's your
favorite player to fill some of that void?
For me, I I like the Benny kid alot.
I like the Benny kid a lot only because it's experience.

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But I think the offense is just going to be a little bit
different because I think what'sgoing to end up happening, it's
going to be just get get the ball in space to people.
So I don't think it's going to be so much traditional that we
got like 2. We get like 16 carries.
If you look at most of the time it's 16 to 24 carries.
I think if you you mix a combination because talking to

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some of the coaches, they understand that you don't change
a pro from a pro, but the depth you have from prelo to Bennett
to Terry on you got what they call him bully.
I, you know, Terry on Stewart and then you turn around, you
got the Hawkins kid. And then I just kind of want to

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see what Coney, what Coney and Mason have in this.
I think to do what I expect us to do this year, you're going to
have to it's going to be spread across the board.
I know coach process, I'm going with three out the gate, but for
you to do what you got to do this year, you probably going to
have to run all five of those cats because that was the
problem last year. You walked into games where this

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guy was nicked up. He had an ankle down.
This other kid, we don't want toplay him yet because he's a red
shirt. This guy, you know, he made one
fumble and then the OC decides not to play him no damn more.
It's it's just goofy stuff like that that you're not going to
have happen this year now that you got a more experience OC.
About you, Dwight. You've been watching some of
these guys kind of figuring out.I didn't I'm disappointed I

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didn't get to the spring game tosee that because that's usually
kind of like I I I remember damn, I'm getting old.
The kid that blood Foster, I talked to him after the game.
They switched to him from he gothurt, but he had three picks
against Florida State. His mom passed away the
cornerback. He got drafted by the Tennessee

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to who? Harley.
Caleb Farley. Caleb Farley So I remember that
spring game and Caleb Farley wasthat receiver and I said, good
Lord, he's got to see the field.But then I talked to Bud and
they were going to move in the corner.
But the thing about it is I, I remember and I'm again, I'm not
a prophet, but I, I know what I know when I speak on what I know
when I see what I see and I callit out there.

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I remember the two spring games to go.
I saw Pier Little Pillow becauseI played with Pierce and I said
I was on the sidelines. I said that kid is a baller.
And then he had the 77 yard touchdown run against Miami.
And he was the phantom, Phantom hold, yeah.
But even then, that's what I mean by the courage to play
people. Malachi Thomas had that rush

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rushing record and that flash that freshman year, but he was
never fully healthy. And at that moment you got to
give in the season even before the Miami game Tooting
breathers. So I'm big on Pierce and pray
little son little pillow. I know people don't like calling
little pillow, but I'm I'm just saying like he just to me is a

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player that is a tech running back, a Mike emo type guy that
people look at Cedric humans andMike emo Thunder and lightning.
They you know, we know about Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs.
But I feel like again, when I said to start the show, how we
try to Fast forward the process and we get impatient.
We we don't realize that a lot of the guys that have been in

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the Tech 4 threshold that the household names don't always
start that way. Corey Moore did not come in tech
as a household name. Can chances only had one offer
and it wasn't a real commendableoffer.
He was a Hooper down in Maury. He played football and
basketball and at the time he was a better basketball player.
So a lot of guys, Mike Emo and Cedric Humes, who I mentioned

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were both blue collar guys. There was not a lot of build up,
but that the 1-2 punch of them really worked well.
I feel like Pillow's the guy that can be part of a 1-2 punch.
I'm I'm really big on him getting a healthy amount of
carriage because he has the burst and vision and he's not on
anybody's scouting report. You know, I mean, you know,

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Tooting to me, you look at his career in those two years, him
and the other kid, Khalil Herbert.
What they did as transfers and how dynamic they were, they
really carried a lot of the loadon the offense of production.
But we fumble the bag on how we use both of them.
I'm not talking about what they did on the field as players.

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I'm saying there's a level of gamemanship and scheme you have
to do when you have certain players that are once in a
lifetime or just really elite type players.
I think the bass, the backfield will be a backfield by
committee, but I think the OCR knows that.
But you can win games. That was Tom's Tech won nine
games when Kevin Jones got hurt and Keith Brunell and guys like

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that came in and we're all serviceable.
Keith Brunell had a great game and Big East play against some
tough opponents. We knew he wasn't going to be
taking Kevin Jones spot, but youhad, you know, again, I'm not
trying to make it back like backin the day, just to keep it
relevant. I just feel like Kilo, you know,

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can really, really help us because I just felt like that
run against Miami, I still remember it and I remember I was
looking at my TV like they called it back.
But I was like, that run. He was running away from Miami
players. Let me let me throw this out
right quick for y'all. I know Sheldon probably, yeah,

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got this in the back of his head.
I have to look up stuff. I can't remember stats like
Shelton. You go back and look at the at
the Vanderbilt game last year, that'll make you sick.
I watched it. Can anybody guess how many
carries we talked about? Because this question started
with Tooten. Can anybody remember how many
carries Tooten had? 14. 9 Tooten had 9 carries but

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34 yards. Byron had 16 carries for 19.
Balls got you. Yep.
That was really the only two people who carried the ball.
Then you had Malachi Thomas had one carry.
You can't win games like that against teams.
So just to kind of tie both of these topics that we've had

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together, when you talk about The OC and you talk about the
production that you're going to have to replace it don't even
matter what the about productionif you ain't using what you got.
And I kept saying when I was talking to somebody, I was
sitting beside our, our buddy Greg and his family.
And, and Greg's real. He, he's really knowledgeable in
football. He kept saying, why are we

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scared to run the ball? What are we do?
Why are we scared to even try torun the ball?
And it was so many games where it looked like we was throwing
stuff against the wall and and seeing when stuff.
Oh, a bunch of games of that. Don't talk to me.
About Tooting. I seen Tooting one time look at
the sidelines and pound his chest and tell them to give me
the ball. Yep.

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But then now as Virginia Tech fans or even coaches, you think
that's probably one of the best running backs that we've seen at
Virginia Tech in the last 20 years?
And he's looking to the sidelinetelling his OC to give me the
ball. And people was mad at me because
I said if you're going to fight ADC, fight AOC.
Oh, no, he had a good offense. Now JT Oh yeah, that guy was

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pretty good and you're just man,get that motherfucker out of
here. He wasn't doing nothing.
What are y'all talking about? I'll.
Put you like this. Man, talking about get this dude
out of here and get somebody in here who knows what they're
doing. You just told me Jay Lane, who
was one of the fastest receiversthat we've had, didn't run no
slants last year. I just told you that in one of
the biggest games even it was Vanderbilt, but it was the SEC

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opponent and it was the first game of the year with all these
with all this hype, you get yourdynamic running back who's one
of the best that we've seen in 20 years, 9 carries in the first
game of the year yeah. But to your point, to your
point, JT too, like Jerry, I I was amazed I.

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Was I'm a I'm a big lane fan. He's the type of receiver
that'll get in the league and have a breakout rookie season
and get a contract. And you're like, damn.
And you look at his tech highlights and then so like, so
here's the thing. He was such a good athlete.
We used him at running back whenthe depth of running back was
he, he was in the backfield going in motion.
They used him on a few jet sweeps.

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That's the he just was a dynamicathlete.
But I remember that about too that that game Vanderbilt, I
just felt like we came in there and we were sleepwalking and
there was no energy. And I just didn't understand it
because all the hype around it and I look at last year as one
of the most embarrassing seasonsin tech history.

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It's very reminiscent of the 2003 team.
The 2003 team in Virginia Tech history was arguably the most
talented team in tech history. That is Ernest Wilford, Ryan
Randall, Marcus Vick. This is a team that snapped
Miami's 35 game-winning streak. They won that Texas A&M when
they had not lost a non conference game at 12 years.

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Yet they lost a Boston College at home, they had Kevin Jones,
they lost they lost games in conference, they barely beat
temple and they beat temple by 1.
I believe in Philly, that team underachieved that had Jake
Grove, arguably the best inner in the in in history of tech,
along with all American. I can go on and on right This

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last year, I remember somebody said on one of y'all lives,
y'all did tally where they were like, Oh well, just because you
weren't returned 21 of 22 seniors doesn't mean how talent
they are. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not about them being extremely talented and elite.
It's more so they should have been more familiar with the
system. There was no sense of urgency in

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games. It was predictable.
We didn't seize the moment. The fake field goal against
Miami showed no confidence when drones and that offense were
from the beginning of that game,we saw the team that Tech was
supposed to be. So for me, I know we haven't
gotten there yet. When I look at this year,
whoever the best players are on offense and defense, you got to

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put them on the field. You got to especially.
I know y'all have. But.
Especially listen, I I don't always subscribe to the hot seat
notion, but I really feel like tech as a program is that is in
the crossroads right now becauseyou're teetering on irrelevancy

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and you need to win eight or more games by any means
necessary. This is this is the year it's
got to happen. Because if it doesn't happen
this year, even even if you get a stay of execution from a
firing standpoint for this regime, you're putting yourself
in behind the 8 ball heading into next year where it's it's a
it's a make or break. And I feel like this year is
really just as much of A make orbreak because like you said,

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Dwight, we're falling behind. I think, you know, when we look
at what pride did this offseasonwith with the shuffling, I think
the most important thing, the most important position that we
needed to shuffle is that that offensive line spot.
We got Matt Moore in there now. He was kind of brought in to
kind of fix a lot of what kind of went sideways between the

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Rudolph, you know? When?
You. Were getting.
Out there. Then you had Crook coming in
late. You know, we, we, we heard
about, you know, zooming into practices and stuff like that.
I mean. What all?
Sorts all sorts of crazy. Stuff that was out there on the
street that was. That was on the street that was.
Brian, imagine his face. Imagine mass face when he took

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because you know, you get a new job, you go through the files,
but as a football coach, you go through the tape.
Imagine his face when he looked at them taking false steps and
letting guys run right through the middle and getting pushed
back when your lineman sacking his own quarter.
But imagine his face. I mean, for real.
Like, imagine because I, I'm hearing you talk.
I'm like, he had to be with his,you know, they call it the

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clicker with the thing doing like this.
Like, yeah, he probably did. He probably.
Was like what am I looking at? What am I looking?
At He probably did. He probably was like Kilmer from
Varsity Blues. Jesus Christ.
And like, so like when I was looking at the at the tape
myself, I'm like, we got we got to do something.
But like the team, the offensiveline didn't look cohesive.

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We had guys that Reliabilities, we can name names.
We cannot name names, but we know who we're talking about.
We got we had we had guys that were Reliabilities on that
offensive line. That was trained.
In the game that stayed in the game, but now we got Matt Moore
in, he brought some of his own as as our man brought his new.
He's like. He brought, he brought his.
New he brought in some of his own guys.

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So, you know, we got we got a little bit something coming in
here, you know, can this new mixof talent with a little bit
better coaching at the OC standpoint, what what's kind of
the ceiling y'all think for thisroom relative to what we've seen
the last couple years? Last couple years or just last
couple years? Yeah, just last.
Couple years overall, so last last year was an absolute F.

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So let's go ahead and get this out.
Since we talking, it was only one guy that I wanted to have
come back. Xavier Chaplin was the only kid
I wanted to come back. The rest of them, hey man, they
can go and do whatever they wanted to do.
There was alleged that somebody wanted to be paid the highest
just paid center in in the ACC or in the country.
I'm glad he's down there where he's at.
He about to get his ass ran through because he was God

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awful. You go watch the tape.
I watched him get Pop Watson sacked 8 times, Pop Watson watch
Pop Watson get sacked 8 times. I watched my backup quarterback
get a damn concussion because hewas terrible.
His brother didn't want to thankthe program when he left.
Great, no problem. Carry your ass.
You turned around your head got you had Bob Shake.

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He's a great Family Guy. Yeah, Beautiful kid.
Glad. I'm glad.
Whatever he's doing, he goes anddoes.
So if he's at Enterprise, Lowe's, Home Depot, I don't give
a damn. Don't ever get on a football
field again. And to turn around and no, I
don't think he is, but. Yeah, he is.

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Where Oklahoma? State, Oklahoma State.
OK, well guess what? That quarterback going to get
hurt. But then you turn around and you
take Parker Clemens and the turnaround and for them to
consistently take his jolly ass out there and smile and get his
ass beat every damn time. Hey, I got to I got to throw
this in too, Chris, while you'regoing on your tangent and I'm

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I'm going to come back and let you finish.
The OC is now a offensive line coach at a.
That's what I'm saying. So for him to be the OC and to
see this offensive line be as bad as it is, and I understand
we didn't have depth, but to turn around and not to play

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Johnny Garrett at right tackle and so damn near had that boy
break his damn foot in that records game, right?
It's criminal. That is criminal on so many
daggum levels and so everybody down common.
Oh, he's regrets. Man, if a moment if a joker is
stepping on my God damn foot andI'm getting sacked and I turn

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around. Dude, we played against we
played against Marshall. The goal was to throw a nine
round. The first play, man, I watched
Mike Green come off the side andlike lickety split.
It was in the damn backfield. Georgia Tech the same thing.
We weren't even supposed to be out there that damn long.
The goal was to get him get up but and bring in bring in comp
and sleeve. I can't because Park is letting

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them blowing the damn game, playing out the gate.
For Tyler Bowen to turn around and go take a job as being an
offensive line coach when he is an excellent recruiter and not
bring any offensive line in here.
It's fucking criminal. I think, I think I'll 2nd.
I'll say this, you know, I knew of Tyler Bowen because he

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coached with my my brother TylerWashington at Jacksonville.
So I text him. I met Tyler Bowen back in the
day when he was working his way up the, the coaching ladder.
We we, we met at a coachings clinic in Tysons, Virginia, up
here in North Virginia. He he's probably going to kill
it at offensive line because he was the run game game
coordinator with Jacksonville Jaguars.
So he had no experience calling plays.

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And you know, he had some moments, but true.
But the truth be told, he'll probably excel in that position.
And I think what the reason why is not just because of his
knowledge of the game. The one thing we haven't touched
on, but I touched on last year during the season is that when
you look at Virginia Tech in thefootball program with Fuente and

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and pride the last few years, and this is on wit and and the
energy around the program, there's got to be
accountability, right? Like, so I'm a small business.
I own two small businesses, people that work for me.
I'm in meetings. I got 3 cell phone.
I am a very important person here in Northern Virginia and I

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have people that work for me. So my victory light brand is
spread out from podcasts into commencement speeches to doing
appearances and also psychiatrichospitals.
So I've I've cornered the marketin those on those realms, right.
If somebody which I've had to fire people because if I get a
call and there's multiple grievances, you have to leave my

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group, you have to leave my agency.
I don't care. I had to fire a guy a handful of
years ago because he was falsifying hours and he he
actually is a coach and the DMV coaches basketball.
We were very good friends. He helped coach me, coach with
me. However, when I got that thing,
I pulled him in. I gave him action plan,

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performance action plan. He didn't follow through.
He got fired. I said just bring, bring on
Monday. Bring your keys and your your
flash, Rob. So at the end of the day, how
how's that relate to Virginia Tech?
I feel like some of the best coaches understand the
importance of sense of urgency, like, for example, wasted time.

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So the backup quarterback just answers very quickly anybody and
anybody in the show who was the backup quarterback to drones
last year. Collins, Lee.
When he came in the game, he came in the game in five to six
games and then ran a dummy motion.
He ran the dummy, dummy motion. You could have been using that

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package with pop in the red zonelike we did with Boone and Tyrod
and Logan and Tyrod. You.
Wasted again. That's what I mean about having
a sense of urgency, understanding what I'm saying is
I'm, I'm not an AD, but I know to me, my job is to have all the
programs at at premium level andpulling the people in, you know,

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on some Friday night light shit.Like, you know, remember that
scene Friday Night Lights when him and his wife and the
daughter were coming out Walmartand then they said, Coach, we're
going to win it. You know, the truth of the
matter is I'm not seeing the fans either.
I'm not, I'm not I'm not proposing the fans running up on
pride at Kroger or at Walmart. What I'm saying is, but GN Tech
needs to have a sense of urgency.

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Some of the best program years when we first went into ACC and
they would pick 11th, they wouldpick 10th or 11th to finishing
that conference. This is after the debacle which
was known as the 2003 team when they returned and they had all
that talent, right? They won the conference and
every week Beams was like, yo, we got to scrap, we got to
fight, We're going to have to earn everything.
And after that tough loss to USC, I've said this before many

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times. He benched his starters who were
older and he brought in Eddie Royal, Justin Harper.
He brought the youth movement in.
Now he will say, well, Dwayne, there was no transfer Porter
right now. I don't care how much they're
making. You can make money at Coastal
Carolina. Now they're a deep who's giving

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out nil money. Let them leave because to me,
you have to have a sense of urgency, accountability, no
matter what era of football, hasto be at the forefront of your
program. I don't care if their mom's
going to do passive aggressive tweets.
Tell Shorty to kick rocks. You know what I'm saying?
Like, y'all can't be held hostage by a parent that is

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going to badmouth you. Let them go.
And I felt like there was too much of that going on where you
can't. It's politics everywhere.
Yeah, politics is all throughoutthe ACC, the Big 10, but I just
go back to guys like saving, which is why I'm a big Jalen
Hurst fan. As far as his class, because he
benched Jalen Hurst on national TV, I see what?

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You're saying? Beamer, Beamer.
People don't realize this. Tyrod Taylor's been benched.
That Jet, Brian Randall's been benched.
A lot of guys have been benched that went on to be legendary
players. That take.
I did not understand why at times there were certain players
who just weren't performing. You didn't take them out the
game just to kind of let them clear their head.

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So I mean, you know, you were preaching earlier Chris, but I
just feel like there needs to bea sense of urgency of
accountability around the program for them to to maintain
and meet somewhat of expectation.
Because if if you're not producing, I mean, at the end of
the day, it's about wins and losses.
So. If you're not getting it done,
let's see if somebody else behind you can get it done.

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And now you're getting paid to do it.
You're getting paid to do it. And if you suck Dwight, what you
just said. I know this was 20 years ago out
next guy because. You're not good enough.
But you didn't have, you didn't have the guy.
You didn't have the guy to say, hey, you suck and get somebody
else because you have such a piss for the offensive line, the

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offensive line situation. And I stood on the table for
Crook till I find out he was in there doing Zoom meetings
because I do Zoom meetings, but I'm supposed to do them.
But you can't turn around and have you have to bring four to
five guys in every cycle, every cycle.
And you didn't have that. You had Rudolph.
He was living off dead bodies, great guy who was living off

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dead bodies and didn't want to go get in the portal.
And then you turn around and crook.
Crook just didn't have from whatwe saw and from what people he
he wasn't able to teach or take them from from point A to point.
B but but Chris. Chris, the pushback I give on
Crooks was I was not in favor that higher because I felt like
if you're Virginia Tech, that's a brand lowering higher, you're

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going below your brand. Like I'm not saying a guy from a
lower, but Foster came from Murray State.
What I'm saying is at the end ofthe day, you got to be in a
situation where like, yo, we Virginia Tech on some boss level
shit. Like I did it the day and I'm
not advocating just for Todd Washington.
What I'm saying is I knew from game one Crooks that the old

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line was not prepared to play. So everybody says, hey man, you
got to get those four stars thatare rated by guys that have
never played football, right? These are the guys that are
thinking your players, right? So we got to get no, no, no, no,
no. Anyone that's played offensive
line on any level knows it is about your head placement, pause

(01:39:17):
your footwork, knowing how to dodifferent things right.
You have to basically be in a situation where those guys were
not in a position to win. They were up high.
When you're getting your course,your two point stands.
So they were taking false steps.It's about like, OK, identifying
the mic, who's the Sam, who's the will?

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If I got a guy coming in my big gap, what does that mean?
MDM most dangerous man blocked down.
No boom, it comes up. That's not talent, that's
understanding. We won games.
Again, I hate doing this becausethat's not about Tim Schnecker
played at Blacksburg High School.
He's a he's a great guy. He was my boy.

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He was a walk on and he had the athleticism of somebody that
worked at Kroger, right. But the guy knew how to snap and
snap, you know, and identify themic.
Mike's left, Liz. That means we're sliding left.
The quarterbacks got the weak side defender side adjust.
We go in three different ways. That's not that's poor coaching

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and that's hot. Listen, look, fuck it, I'm
saying. That's.
Hiring that's hiring people you down with right?
I'm a business owner. I am not hiring my boy from
Shell Rd. who got a pack of black and miles for sale.
I'm not hiring him to work my business.
And this is my boy I grew up with.

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Just because you're friends withsomebody, Let me tell you
something, man. I play for two Hall of Fame
coaches, Mike Smith and Frank Beema.
And if you look at both of them,their staff was elite.
But at times there were assistants.
We were like, damn, he could be the head coach or like Billy
Height was Coach Beema's conciero.
Like, you know, Godfather Coach Height.

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Coach Height would say he'd be like Frank, call a time out.
Bean Beans would do that. I saw it.
So what I'm saying is who is holding the person accountable
or helping each other in that? Like to me when you are head
coach or you and that staff and you see your online getting
destroyed after week one, Week 2, you, you, you like hey, hey,

(01:41:28):
hey, hey, hey, hey coach, I needto see you Monday morning.
My thing is, I'm not, I'm not a Alabama fan, but I'm from
Alabama. I'm a football fan.
So if you're a football fan, everybody knows Nick Saban.

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If you go watch Nick Saban coacha game, he like a madman on the
sideline. He mad everybody.
Whoever gets in his way, he got something to say.
The camera crew. The Mamas.
Anybody. He probably is not.
He let his wife the the the players, his coaches.
Lane Kiffin is consider what a top coach now, right?

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Even at Alabama, he was, he was a head coach before he went
there. Like Nick Saban didn't care.
He wanted it done the right way.He wanted it done.
His right, right. Comparing Nick Saban to to try,
but with the level of intensity to try to win, that's what I
expect to see. So yeah, my thing is, I'm OK

(01:42:32):
with you. I'm not OK with you hiring your
boys, not at all because you gotto take it serious.
But if you decide that that's what you want to do and you're
in the game, I just didn't see nobody who really wanted to be
like, you know what, we need to fucking win.
And if you ain't trying to win, you need to get the fuck out the
off the sidelines how you keep like you got your quarterback or

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you got your wide receiver that gets killed.
And then we was just over there looking at looking at these.
Let me write this down. Let's stop writing stuff down
and start yelling at somebody. Get on somebody'd ass.
What are we doing? At some point, you gotta have
some accountability and you gotta be able to, when somebody
is not doing the things that they need to do and you're not

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performing at the level you needto perform, it's got to be some
accountability. Somebody's got to have a
conversation, be like, hey, you're not getting it done, and
if the guys you got in there that you think are getting it
done, they're not getting it done.
Get them out. Try something different.
You can't just keep running out the same 5 every week and
getting piss poor results and expect something new.

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That's madness at some. Point.
But the thing about it, you got to switch up.
But the thing about it is that they didn't have they didn't
have anybody to bring in to replace them.
Late, late, late gets hurt, right.
He was supposed to play. He gets hurt.
You got to play shit. Chaplin was hurt all year long,
especially when he gave up the ODU.
So you had to bring Garrett in from here.

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So you didn't have a backup guy behind that.
And none of them jokers was ready.
Yeah, Gary, not to play a. Lot more, but Gary should have
been in the in the game a whole lot more last.
Year regardless. Sometimes you just have to make
the change to what Dwight said. Show county to go up.
Listen, your job's over. You're done.
Yep. Excuse me though, he makes some

(01:44:18):
mistakes but fuck you because you keep making the mistakes
over and over and over. I'm going to put.
Somebody else here. What if he makes mistakes?
At least he's a freshman and he's got a damn excuse.
Nobody, nobody took because nobody knew.
I mean, you know, we had rivals out and and there were other
publications, Roanoke News, whatever.

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Eddie Royal was a highly taught to recruit, but nobody knew how
dynamic Eddie Royal was going tobe because against USC and early
on, those receivers got limited action beams went with the more
mature players. Richard Johnson, those guys.
That's back when Justin Hamiltonwas on offense.
He was a running back and play some receiver.

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Here's the thing, after that loss, he went with the youth
movement and all of a sudden everybody's like, hey, yo, that
dude Josh Hyman going to be all right.
David Clowney, all these guys, Justin Harper, they were Justin
Harper was not a highly touted Justin Harper got a chance
because we couldn't break one-on-one coverage.
But here's let me go back to my initial point.

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It's coaching because you don't have to have we got beat.
Let me just I hate to bring up memories.
We got beat against Rutgers one year.
I'm rubbing my head so I can woosob.
We got beat against Rutgers one year with a quarterback that
couldn't pass at. All.
He it was like playing a kid that just had the cheat code in

(01:45:46):
the video game. He did not.
I think he did. He beat us on the fourth and
one. He was just running and running.
That guy was not a quarterback we have lost games against in
the last three years against inferior opponents because they
made the adjustments and changeswe weren't willing to do.
And that's all I'm saying. Like you're not wrong about the
depth limitations in some positions.

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What I'm saying is between the scheme and coach ability and
making the changes beforehand, that's where we fall short and
we have now. I'm hoping I say this to be
optimistic. This is the fan in me to me, and
I don't want to jump ahead in the schedule of this show.
But like to me, when you look atit this season and a signature

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win that we still haven't gottenyet as a program under the
Prague regime, South Carolina has to be a game where you don't
hold back. It's like you look at like, for
example, somebody posted the other day, it might have been
the ACC Network or somebody on Twitter that West Virginia game
lost. We were they they threw an
interception late in the game and I remember watching that

(01:46:47):
game. This is during the Fuente era
and and they got down there and announcer says, well, Jim, you
don't want to score too quickly.I'm like, I hate when announcers
say that. Give me more time.
You ended up wasting that. You got in the red zone and the
LastPass was to Trey Turner, butyou did a jet sweep and it was

(01:47:08):
like I was like just score. And it was like, you could have
seized that opportunity to be the very, you know, a decent
West Virginia team. But it's the it's the name.
Like if we go in that South Carolina game, you know,
withholding back and trying to say you want to treat that South
Carolina game like it's your national champions.
You know why? Because we have fallen to the

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ranks of a program that needs todo that.
That's the. Reason it's your super.
Bowl, this is what I'm going to say right here.
I know we got to go to, I think we got to go to a break and a
couple other things. We got to get to Curtis, got a
couple things to get to. But this is what I'm going to
say. I'm old and country, right?
So my grandma used to have this like wood burning stove and

(01:47:51):
heater that we stood in front ofbefore school and we all had
cheap clothes. We were poor, so we had cheap
clothes. You know what I'm saying?
My mom would go to Big B and getme like a new windbreaker suit.
So they was, you know what I'm saying?
You got the windbreak on the outside, but it's got the cotton
on the inside If you stood your ass in front of that stove.
It was. Not heated too long it was going

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it was going to singe that that that suit that you had on and
you was going to go to school with the white part showing pry
your seat need to be as hot as them suits that I was having on.
Going to school. In 2nd and 3rd grade.
There you go. Hey man, honeymoon over.
No, it's been over. It's been over.
The honeymoon is over. Let me hit this real quick
because I want to wrap up offense.

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Sheldon's got to get out of herea little bit.
So we. Have a defense.
He like his sleep real quick. Wide receiver, tight end room a
lot of people would like, you know, all that room last year
was great, great, great. Well, maybe, maybe not.
That's to there's one guy that we know, but let's be for real
this year, that room, the transfers brought in, the young

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guys who showed out down at the bowl game, How are they going to
hit their potential? Because that room is absolutely
full of potential with so many different guys between Donovan
Green, who's like 40, Cam Selden, how do they hit their
potential? Because to your point, Dwight,
there's a lot of young bucks in that room.

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How do we hit it? I'm, I'm going to be, you know,
I've talked a lot, but that's what I'm here for, to talk a lot
on this show. I, I just feel like, again, this
is a very easy answer. The wide receiver room, that's
one thing. Even going back to the Fuente
era, we've had some dogs, Tech has had a great run and we're
wide receivers and their roster going back to the Fuente era.

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And even last year's group, you know at times was inconsistent,
but you knew you knew what they can do, especially based on the
previous year. Some of that was scheme, some of
that was effort, maybe some injuries, I don't know.
I think it was collective. I feel like the depth should be
your advantage. And I think the best thing if
I'm coaching that group is create competition Monday

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through Thursday. So that means you need you need
a cohesiveness for drones. So he needs to know who his 5-6
are. However, when you create
competition, when, when Green caught that we thought was the
winning touchdown against Miami,everybody in my group chat,
everybody over my spot was like,yo, who is this kid?
Every time I watch him, he was making play Gosnell catching

(01:50:26):
those deep balls that dive and get.
I felt like those guys were kidsyou should have just ran with.
And if some of the veterans weresalty because they were making
300,000, so be it. They still getting their paper.
I just feel like that kind of competition and coach needs to
be present when it comes to the depth you have.
I feel like that's a probably a strength of Virginia Tech right

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now. Even that kid, you know, you
joke about the kid that is the kid from Wake Forest.
That's what you're talking about, Dominick.
Green, yeah. Dominick Green, Yeah, he's got
to stay healthy. But I like that kid.
I like his moxie. I like his attitude.
But he's to me. And I don't want to give you a
general answer, but I'm, I firmly believe this.

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I feel like everybody on the team has something to prove.
I feel like nobody, we talk a lot about the coaches.
I feel like nobody should assumeanything's a given.
Create, create competition. Like almost like when Kobe
Bryant had that unfortunate incident with that chick in

(01:51:30):
Colorado and all of that crazy stuff.
Kobe Bryant became the Mamba because he was finally, and I
used to say this, I was like, yo, stop trying to live up to
everybody's image. And he said he came back and he
was like F everybody. And that's when he bring to me
when he became he got the he gotthe tattoo and he he became an

(01:51:51):
asshole. That's when you saw it.
I feel like tech needs more of that, like I feel like that
energy. So I know that's a general
answer, Curtis, but I just feel like the receivers, the
receivers are talented to me. You know, we're deep at that
position, man. But I feel like if anything, I
told, I told this to Chris last year and he was like, yo, it was

(01:52:14):
it was a text. I text him.
And this one, I knew it resonated with him because he
called me. He said, yo, hold on, Dwight,
what you mean? I said, listen, they're not
running great routes. I said because we are getting
jammed up and getting contained by average secondaries.
You know what I'm saying? So that's not just scheme.

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That's what I mean. So anyway, let Chris that shorts
cup of tea. I, I I I answered your question.
You did competition. He said, he said competition.
I'm going to say this and, and you know, because we're going to
be real, you turned around last year.
This is what ends up happening. Most people don't understand
that you have when you brought those four guys back, but you

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really brought five guys back. Aiden Green could not.
Red shirt. Aiden Green had to play.
He burnt his shirt because Ali got hurt, right?
The model of this team this yearis what team over who?
Me, me. You had guys that were thinking
about the league more than they were thinking about being great

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for Virginia Tech. There we go.
Let's go and get it out there onthe table.
I see. All right, that's out there,
right. So you turn around.
You had you had conflict with guys getting a hey, I'm, you
know, putting TikTok stuff out and then you got that out there.
And then let's be honest, your younger guys were probably

(01:53:42):
better. OK.
Takahi ended up having to sit right Takei, he was a is a
dynamic route runner, not a big,big guy, but a really good route
runner. You had, you had Chance
Fitzgerald, who was your number one recruit in the 23 class,
didn't give you anything, but that was on chance.
OK, that was on him. Then you turn around.

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So you couldn't you couldn't take Felton off the field,
right? Because if you took Felton off
the field, you weren't going to go to Chance.
You were going to go to Steven Gosnell, right, Because Steven
Gosnell could play all over. He could play the X, the Y, Z,
he could play it all. So it so when we would sit back
and look like the younger guys are probably just as good if not

(01:54:24):
better, but they couldn't get onthe field because you already
had five guys in front of them. So what ends up happening this
year? Angry comes back.
He's dynamic and he's hungry. The guy Heath is healthy and he
wants to get out. Then play.
Donovan Green is a outstanding route runner and a big guy who
can get out there and block and do a lot of things that Felton
did last year. You've got you've got Cam Selden

(01:54:48):
who is kind of like he he is, he's a football player, right?
We got to listen to being a widereceiver.
He's a football player. So that room is stuck is chucked
full with guys. You know, you got a kid, you
know, you know, I'll talk about my kid, but you got the kid, you
got chance Wiggins has got some stuff to stuff to prove.
So I think with your room. And then you got the Isaiah

(01:55:10):
Spencer kid. Like honestly, I love him
because he wants it so bad. That dude came from HBCU and he
is loving being at this next level for this high competition,
high competition. So I think the room, I'm going
to say it out loud, even though you got two guys that's in the
league, right, or three guys that's in the league, the room

(01:55:31):
is better this year. I'm going to just say I'm going
to point the room is better thisyear than it was last year.
You fight me, you fight me all day long.
I don't care. The room is better this year
than it was last year. You got better out.
It's a lot deeper. It's a lot deeper for.
Sure, it's better. It's better.
It's better. You got two.
You got two guys right now. Let's just be yeah, Jay Lane,

(01:55:52):
meet me and me and Tally talked about.
We thought it was going to be like 9 guys get drafted, right?
We was like Jay Lane, Felton, Jennings, Gosnell.
We had like 5 or 7 guys. Get it.
Listen, the two guys who go playNFL snaps this year on a high,
high level, Jay Lane and dadgum Steven Gosnell.

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That's it from the wide receiverroom.
I'm just being totally honest. Ain't no hate to it.
This is what it is. But those guys had, so you turn
around. We had a collection of talent.
We didn't have a we didn't have a team.
That's what we had last year. We had a collection of great
talent, but we didn't have teamson the opposite side of the
football. So with your piss poor offensive
line and folks think about goingelsewhere and you got your

(01:56:36):
quarterback foot damn near broke.
That's what you end up having and you still won six games.
There you go. Brown, you got some for us here,
right? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead.
And we've been talking about a little bit.
I know that everybody maybe seenit on Twitter.
We got the giveaway that we're running here for for the
concerts. I'm going to let this run real

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quick. We'll come back and we'll talk a
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