State of the Program

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And welcome back to the BoundaryCorner Podcast.
Along with my partners Brian Siegler and Jonathan Tally, I am
Curtis Wilson. Before we begin tonight, I'm
going to just go ahead and make this announcement.
If this is the first time you'veever tuned in to stay of the
program, you need to go ahead and turn it off because what's
about to take place over the next few hours here is something
a first timer should never listen to in the house tonight

(02:11):
for the state of the program, our sponsor, Lord Doctor Jeremy
Counts themselves. I'm Jeremy.
Yay, I'm on. South Main Street.
I don't know if he's working tomorrow.
I'm guessing not. I am.
Unfortunately, but it's all right, it's three hours.
I'll leave, OK. Also joining us, pops

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extraordinaire and a true friendof the program.
He is here every week in the comments.
Father of one Mr. Brody. Can't call him Brody because
Mama, Mama go here and come beatmy ass.
Chris Lester, how you doing tonight?
What's going on fellas? How y'all doing tonight?
Living the dream, buddy Buddy good and as always, our great

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friend. A year ago tonight, A year ago
today, me and Dan were sitting, getting like Chris was too,
excuse me, getting absolutely hammered in a rainstorm at the
Military Bowl, sipping on bourbon.
Have a good time from the tails of the Terradon, Dan.
Pulse, Daniel. How you doing guys?
What's? Up brother buddy, you doing?
The stinky stinky himself. Dan Stinky, Stinky, stinky.

(03:19):
Stinky. Oh yeah, it's going to be.
A good one. Don't know if I can beat them
allegations but. All righty.
Also as always, I am joined by my esteemed colleague, first of
all, Miss Jonathan Talley, who is sitting above a casino right

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now. So if at any point in time he
goes he going gambling y'all I might need?
To go bet on some, I might need to go bet on some of these
games, man. I'm sitting here watching this
Washington State Syracuse game. Just chilling, man, enjoying
time with my guys. My wife is downstairs.
Hopefully she's winning and not losing.
It's going to be a good night. That's all I can say.

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Maybe we get a committed to while we're on here.
Oh, that. 'D be.
That'd be beautiful. I I would love another offensive
lineman to. Jump in the boat.
Or two or two, but at least one.Give me one, one we.
Know OK. We'll do one at a time.
I'm OK with that. I don't need 5 but OK.
Mary Hall. Mary Hall.
We know we need as many as we can get, baby.

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OK. How are you tonight, buddy?
How's life? I got a little gin and tonic in
my hand here. It was a good Christmas we had.
We had some good times. We have family over.
I know Curtis is having a good time because he the PS5 finally
has made the way into the. Oh, man, household.
So congratulations. Congratulations, hey.

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Santa Claus Rocket PS 5 Santa Claus.
Came through, huh? He bought CFB, I've been on
that. We got Madden.
The brand new Madden came out, we got the show, we got NBA2K.
It has been a fun time since Christmas Day.
Yes, Sir. I'm going to tell you what some

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of the controls like people weretelling me about the RPOS.
I'm going to tell you Curtis, going to be playing on freshman
for about the next 6 to 8 weeks before I get a feel of it.
Curtis. It is balls apparently.
Curtis. How hard say that I'm smart.
I'm smart because if you go in there and you try to go to
Heisman or All American and you get your shit ate up, that ain't

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no fun. The game's got to be fun first.
How many games have you played? And this, this is completely
off. How many games have you ever
played, started off on the hard level, get your ass ripped, and
you just say fuck that game. Like I'm never playing that game
again. I do not like it.
And you're sitting there like, dude, you tried it on the
hardest mode. Like it's brand new.
Depending on your gaming level, because I'm sure there are a

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couple guys in here that could take them and beat the ass on
the hardest level at the gate. But I haven't played a true
PlayStation game in years, so that's me.
Yeah, Curtis, what is it like? Like having a PlayStation that
you've got to share with children?
Like how hard do you have to hitthem to get the controller back?
I am. I am a very, very, I'm a

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delegate here. You get 45 minutes, Go, go play.
I don't care what you play. Go play.
You get 45 minutes for the play.Daddy gets 3 hours.
So Curtis. So Curtis says 3.
Time. I see where screen time comes
from now. Oh, you've had your 15 minutes
for the day so. Get off, get off.
Get the fuck out of here. Exactly.

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It's his man cave. We've.
Got to go buy his baby we got togo buy these babies APS 5 that's
going to be one of my one of my one of my good deeds for the
year instead of PS5 for curse's kids yeah man I'm.
The man cave one in the playroom.
Right. Yeah, for the babies, man.
Let the babies go. Get that work in man.
That we we let them have it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm

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not the a hole guy. I let them play with it and
they've got the Switch stuff so.They.
Go to bed early. So OK, I'll sit here and play
all I want to. So yeah, but it's been a lot of
fun, so. If you want your if you want
your kids to love you, Curtis, go buy Spider Man 2.
Oh yeah, you bought it. Oh, man, you bought.

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Dude, you. Bought that one of the best
games and that's a great game toplay with your kids.
I mean, it's it's challenging enough where adults like it, but
it's, you know, PG enough for kids are into it, but it's a
it's a great game. Me and my son played it together
and beat it together. Well, he beat it and I watched

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most of the time. But it's just got a lot of stuff
in it. You, you'll, you'll enjoy that
all right. All right, I'll, I'll, I'll make
a note that I mean, plus they got some gift cards from family
like $25 PlayStation. So we might be going to target
tomorrow and like I've been recommending to the Spider Man
tale, get to. Don't let them use it on
Fortnite skins, you make them bygames.
That's right. They will waste it on Fortnite

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skins. Don't let them listen.
Yes, they do Forget that. You're not allowed to play the
PlayStation Five if you do this.You have to go do something all.
Right. Well, this is the state of the
program episode and obviously a lot happened 365 days from the
last time we talked to now. And obviously we we text with

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Chris, we messaged Chris, Chris is watching every week.
We talked with Jeremy, we talkedwith Diane.
So I'm sitting here and I want to bring this up.
First, let's talk about the seatbecause we that's why we're
here. That's what made us talk.
So it's fucking deja vu all overagain.

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The comments. Are already hitting man.
But it's a, it's a, it's a different feeling this year.
Last year we were six and six. This year we're six and six.
Last year we were happy. A lot of lot of liquor flowing
last year, a lot of very optimistic people.
But when you go six and six after going six and six, I mean

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y'all. Damn good it.
Don't matter, we're going to be back here.
Same thing. We're already feeding ourselves.
Hop all fucking ready. We do this every year.
It's the same fucking perpetual circle jerk every year where we
get hopped up and we're going toget hopped up because we're fans
and we will grab whatever we need to and we will circle jerk

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ourselves till we're raw and bleeding or we develop calluses
all over our. Dick our Dicks are going to look
like. Our Dicks will.
Look like by the. Time we're done.
Not not mine, but I understand what you're saying.
I'm feeling it, I think. I think Hobbit.
Yeah, we were. Hobbit feet.
Hey, Kev. Hey Kev.
Oh, Kevin asked me. Kevin asked me.

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I'm I'm sipping on Terra Manus tonight, man, a little Terra
Manus and I think it's a lemon, Lemon lemonade.
That's what I got. Strawberry lemonade one don't
simply simply lemonade drinks. He hit me on the side and asked
me what I was drinking. But I'm drinking at Teramanos.
But I don't think it's going to be the same because I think last

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year we walked in here at 6:00 and 6:00.
We were healthy, we were optimistic.
We felt great about the guys whowent.
We didn't even care about the guys we're leaving in the
portal. We were just happy we had our
guys back. I think the person we did not
expect to show up and bug us this year for our football team
was injuries. We didn't expect.
We, we, we thought we was playing on Madden rookie, you

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know, CFB rookie where nobody got tired and nobody got injured
and we didn't know. We didn't expect that to happen.
We thought we were playing on Curtis level, but they said they
were playing on my level. That's right.
We plan on, we plan on all, all Heisman, Heisman mode this year.
And that's what that's what got us.
That's what definitely got us this year.
But I'm not, I'm, I'm yeah, I'm,I'm disappointed.

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But I think, you know, I'm just glad we, we did something to
start a tradition by getting back to a bowl back-to-back.
We hadn't done that in years. And that's what, that's what I
was, I was most excited about. We got back to a bowl.
So those kids can understand that and they can start a
tradition. You know, we're, we're, we're
facing a team. I think, I think it's Minnesota.

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I think they've had like 2526 years of consecutive bowl
appearances. And that's, I know for
everybody, like, oh, well, you were 66.
But those kids every year can expect to go play a bowl.
And that's what I want us to be able to do a little bit higher
bowl. But as long as we get to a bowl,
that's all that matters. And there was a.
Time not long ago where we were just straight up like I was
getting sick of going to the Orange Bowl.

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I was just like, this is lame. Let's go to a different bowl
game. And I mean, we were rolling
then. Well, that was back when the
computer picked the best two teams in the nation.
You got to understand. And I still think I'm in college
half the time, so it's like, to me, it's not that long ago.
It's not how old you are, it's how old you feel, man.

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How old you feel? How you?
Feel 20. 1. I remember last year at the
Military Bowl, I remember being like, this is the happiest I've
ever been to be 6:00 and 6:00. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, this year is not that. This year is not.
That saddest you've ever been? It's not, it's not the saddest.
I've been like, there's not some.
Uglier. Six and sixes, but it's we were.

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This close, it was one of four games we were so close.
Man, I was I was feeling pretty bad at at the start of the
portal, like it was it was looking a little rough, but then
it always does I guess. But then like primate, the
necessary firings, at least someof them, I don't know, I think.

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At least. Some of it the starting with
Vanderbilt this year, it was kind of like, I just remember
walking out of there being like,fuck, like what the hell?
And then like there were things like Crook refused to fix the
like change the line, like Parker got our quarterback hurt
multiple times. The staff get me.
Started. The staff let our quarterback

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take the bullets all year. Like, instead of just coming out
and saying, hey, like this man, like Cairn Jones is severely
injured. Like give him like, I think it
would have done wonders for him if they would have came out and
like, hey, you know what? This is actually the situation
instead of people being like, like creating their own
narratives. I mean, some of that would have

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happened anyway, but that's justTwitter.
But like for the most part, theydidn't do him any favors by not
like, like somebody should have spoke up.
In my opinion. We looked out of shape the whole
time. Tally was on that early.
A couple people were on that early.
They, they got rid of between, between the refuse, between the
no adjustments coming out of thefirst half into the second-half,
which is crazy because when you get 15 minutes to, to, to figure

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shit out, like there should be some sort of change.
And not only did they not adjust, but they weren't, they
weren't in shape enough to, or they were gassed at the end of
games and we ended up just losing.
And it was just, it wasn't good.But there's been some positive
in the last couple days, but I'll definitely wait and see
this offseason. Yeah, I I agree with you, Dan.

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I think one of the biggest things is, you know, our
offensive line really struggled early and that got our
quarterback hurt and he was justtaking shots left and right.
He got his foot stepped on and you know we had to bring that
in, but we were not. Performing in the.
Second-half his own player that we were not performing in the
second-half and you could say, OK, it adjustments out of shape.

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But I mean, we've got to be ready for that.
We've got to be able to not onlygo in and change up what we're
doing. We can't just be like, well,
this has been working, let's go with it.
They're not going to make it. Just we got to anticipate them
anticipating our changes. We got to go next level.
We got to play 5D chess. This is big boy ball.
You know, we don't fuck around. And I, I really think that's

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what it comes down to. I think it comes down to
second-half adjustments because there are games like the BC game
where I was first half, I was like, we got this, like this is
not that big of a deal. And it was just like gone
because we weren't making adjustments.
And that has to be done. And that's why I think this
offseason is a little different than a lot that we've seen
because Pry actually did what heshould do and made coaching

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changes. And that is a really, really
positive thing for me because for the longest this time, we
had, you know, Frank was very attached to his staff, but, you
know, they won. So that was OK, right, To a
certain extent. And then Foo was too attached to
his fucking staff, and we started going downhill.
And the fact that we're making those adjustments now is

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encouraging me. Yeah.
And I and I, we talked about this a lot and you know, I've
said this, we said it a little bit last year, we said it this
year. I think sometimes, especially on
defense, it's the mindset from the coaches was a little too
much. We do, we do, and at some point
you got to look at what the other team doesn't do well and

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exploit that or look at what they're trying to take away from
you and do something different. You can't always just do what
you do because at some point other teams are going to have
better players or they're going to have better coaching.
You've got to do your fucking job in those moments.
But sometimes you got but you got to say, Brian, and some of
that is when there's a time to go make a play, go make a play.

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You know, you turn around. The third quarter was high
Achilles heels all year. And then there were times in the
third quarter you can go make a play like, you know, you can
have a quarterback dead to rights on 3rd and seven and just
second and then just go ahead and change the momentum of a 7
seven ball game and maybe do that.
Or maybe you can be in a third and seven when you're up 21 to

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three and somebody's raggedy assstadium and then not cheat on a,
you know, try to cheat on a playand let a guy make a career day
on your ass. So I mean, it's just certain
things. You know, we going to blame the
defense for certain stuff, but there are certain things that
certain people do at certain times which, you know, allowing
guys to have career days on their ass in three games that

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you lost. So I mean, you know, I'm just
saying, you know, we just go ahead and get it out there and
open. You're up 20.
You know, it's 77 call. You know, Mark calls a perfect
blitz up, put a man on the ground, Cam board scrambling out
the back field. You know, in the fourth quarter
you make a tackle, you end the play, get a man on the ground.
You know, don't cheat on the 3rd3010, keep everything in front

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of you. You're already up 21 to three.
Get a man to the ground, do whatyou're supposed to do.
So I mean, you know, we lost games like my man just said by
combined 34 point. You know, Stephen said 34 points
and you know, where the difference between arguing
should we be playing in the playoffs or and all these people
exiting or some or some people exiting not not all them because

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best of luck to all those kids, men who try to find a spot to go
play in certain place. But, you know, we there were
enough games we were in that, yeah, some things need to be
changed. But I just don't believe Mark
had all the pieces for his defense to do what he needs to
do. He's never had.
Well, that's what but but but. But Chris, that's on him.
He'd been here for three seasons.

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It is. He's got to go recruit the
pieces that he wants. Well, I mean, we got the portal
now like you can go and you can like get what I'm saying Dome
products and bring them in. But you did, but you know, you
flew a helicopter 15 minutes down the road to go get your
kids. You just didn't have another guy
from another whole area recruited kid right out of from
under your under your face. That's that's my thing.

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If you don't, if you don't have that kid leave to go to Georgia.
You got a mic, you can play withKeller.
Bring him in because that kid going to play, he going to play
what in a couple more days? He going to get snapped to
Georgia. He should be getting snapped to
your he should be. He should be wearing maroon.
He shouldn't be wearing red and black, But that's a whole other
different thing. So, you know, I, I have my

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feelings about it. I feel like, yeah, things had
somebody had to fall on that sword.
They they decided the decision they had.
I think of the of the three guys, I only really think one
guy had all the pieces that he that he had to be able to do it.
I think, you know, love deeds, my guy, like, like Coach Crook,
you get an upgrade. You get an upgrade with Coach

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Moore. I mean Fergus, Fergus, an
amazing strength and conditioning coach.
You know, he's got histories of doing it, so that's a great
thing. I just believe Marv never got
his pieces. He needed a middle linebacker.
He he, he was like peanut butter, no Jelly.
You know, he turned around. He got a great defensive line,
good rotation. And I'm talking when Phil Darius

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was here the year before, you had Pollard, Phil Darius, APR
was coming on, Cole Nelson, guyswere playing, but you never had
your middle linebacker. You turn around and your safety
play was subpar this year. So like I said, you got to be
strong up the middle. Any defense, you got to be
strong up the middle and we weren't.
This is what here. This is what I want to say to
Chris about that. Because of what Pride did,
though, because of what Pride did, letting him go, it says I

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want to win. I give a shit about this place,
and if you don't hold the standard here, I'm going to move
on from you. He'd known Chris Marr since he
was like 18 years old, that was.Awesome.
I mean, that was part of shit, but when he did that, I texted
tally and I texted Brian. That means he's serious because
it's not like, oh, I'm going to I'm going to let Cheetah go.

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Well, I'm going to let this person move out.
It's like, no, you literally setyour heir apparent and said
you're not doing a good enough job.
You got to go. And that said it to me.
That spoke volumes of who he letgo.
Tally, I know you're not going. You're going to hate me saying
this, but it's you put it back up there, Brian, The the the 10

(20:33):
points or 34 points, y'all, we can say this is a fucking six
and six season. We're pissed, we're mad.
We should have done better. But believe it or not, in my
opinion, and I know Tally might come in and curse me out, we
have progress this year, y'all. We were in every fudging game
from the first snap of Vanderbilt to the last snap, we

(20:56):
were. We didn't get pummeled multiple
times like we did in 2023. Jeremy, said Fudgeon.
Fudgeon. The problem that I deal with all
year is it didn't matter. It didn't matter who falls on
the sword for me, you know what I'm saying?
Because you still got the same head coach.
The head coach is the one who has to get the ship righted if

(21:19):
he in his opinion, if that's what he's doing.
First of all, I online coach wasfucking sorry.
I'm going to tell you right now.I tried to give him a chance and
once I seen the things he was doing in the rotation, it was
fucking dumb. Then there's all kind of people
out there saying he didn't have a house there.
He was doing stuff on Zoom callsand shit like that.
That's fucking dumb. If you giving people money, make

(21:42):
them earn their money. When I go to work, I'm in sales.
If I don't sell, I don't eat. And guess what they're going to
do? They're going to find my black
ass if I don't sell. So if you don't do your job,
you're supposed to be fired. I understand that, but I asked a
question on Twitter X whatever you want to call it, point of I
don't know what they call it nowadays and I just say it.
All of the above. Everybody's, everybody's putting

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the blame on Chris Mars. Marv, Yes, he didn't do his job.
He deserved to go perfect again.I'm still looking at that
offensive coordinator that got every piece that he wanted back.
We paid the offense so much money to be there, and what did
we get? Oh, well, they got hurt.
Well, you should have had a better fucking offensive line.

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Oh, well, this person got this. Well, you should have nurse the
injuries better. It's a lot of stuff that goes
into it. But we still got the head coach.
So my thing is, I'm not saying the head coach is supposed to be
5, but I can't just go and say, well, he did this and he's
serious about winning. Because when I look at the
record, it shows the head coach's record.
They don't say head coach's record with Chris Marv as his,

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as his defensive coordinator. It shows Brent Price record.
Is this his close game record isone in fucking 15 or whatever it
is. At some point you got to say
even when he was there, it's it's one in 12 or something like
that. But my thing is, what would it
show me if you serious? If you said, hey man, you ain't

(23:12):
doing a good job. I'm going to have to take over.
I'll fire him during the year. I don't care what you do.
That's when I would have said, OK, you're serious.
I think what this shows me is that that seat is not hot and
that noises got loud. They pay attention to Twitter.
They pay attention to fans. They know what people say.
They know what the big donors are saying.
Hey man, you got to fucking win.You want us to come out and

(23:33):
support you doing a good job of kissing babies and and shaking
hands, but we don't give a fuck about that.
At the end of the day, you got to put some wins together.
So what are we going to do? What?
What's the next step? You know what I'm saying?
Now the online hire, which is I think a good one.

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I think it's a good hire. When's the last time we had a
coach come in? See, I'm not trying to take
over, but I'm just saying the online coach comes in and then
he gets a kid that comes right with it.
Our fucking head coach came in and didn't get kids to come with
it. Like that's that's a, when you
look at a hire, a big hire, that's a big hire.

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You know what I'm saying? That he's got so much
credibility with the kids that are around him.
They're willing to put their future in his hands at a
different place. You know what I'm saying?
I don't know much about before Iknow a little bit up, you know,
I did some research and things like that, But this one kid
that's a pretty good offensive lineman is saying this coach is
good enough for me to follow himto a six and six team so I can

(24:38):
see where my career is going to go.
That's that's that's that's. That's a big boy.
Yeah, That's that's that's I need.
I need I need pride to and I like pride.
I mean, I know if you see this coach, thank you for coming on
the show, but I got to keep it real.
You never got to talk to me again If you just go fucking

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win. That's all I want to do.
Go fucking win. Go do what you're supposed to
do. When you got the pieces, you got
to know how to do it. Stop being friendly.
Cut somebody out on the sidelines, tell them ref to get
their fucking whistle out of their ass and blow it when they
supposed to Hell, get a penalty.Do something I need to see.
You can't keep losing get I I goback to the analogy what I said.

(25:21):
If I walk in the house to my I won't even say to my wife.
I use that. I'll say to my kids.
If I tell my son, hey, man, I'm going to make it to your game.
I'm going to try my best to makeit this time.
Oh, I'm sorry, man, I didn't make it.
I got caught up at work. Sooner or later that
motherfucker's going to tell me.Hey, man, you said you're going
to make it. What's going on?
You got to be held accountable, probably.
You can't keep going and saying we're going to do this if we're

(25:43):
going to make it work like it's year, it's year 3, buddy.
It's over it's year 4 now. You know what I'm saying?
Like there's no more. I'm trying to figure it out.
You fucking have figured it out and you got to go and win.
You got it. The games that you're supposed
to win go in. Stop the hiding.
You got Kyron walking around they.

(26:03):
Anyway, I'm gonna stop right now.
We'll get on that later. Callie brings up a really good
point, and I've been saying it for years.
You build your offense around anoffensive line.
You can't get a poverty offensive line and expect your
skilled positions to stay protected and do their jobs.
It's impossible. We were lucky we were able to.

(26:25):
Have the Jeremy Jeremy, rememberwhat you're saying, but I won't
Matty B is is is a cool me and Maddie talk pretty good, but I
want to put that up. I want you to put that up what
Matty B says right there which. One these two tally.
The first one. The first one.
I got it. So so Matty B says look at

(26:50):
Schlee and Pop, look at Schlee and Pop's game.
Kyron isn't any good. Same offensive coordinator,
totally different execution. Schlee got fucking hurt.
What are you talking about? Schlee got fucking knocked out
of the game. So what game am I watching that
Schlee did so good the offensiveline got him fucking pummeled as
well. And then Pop played against and

(27:11):
then Pop got pumped against Dukeand then he just, I don't know,
against a fucking sorry ass UVA.Then hot fat ass could have got
out there and played against quarterback against them.
I could have put Curtis Little boys out there and we would have
still fucking beat UVA. Come on.
That's the kind of that's the things.
That's the things that get me when people with fans get on

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here and they say stupid ass shit.
Maddie, you're a cool dude, but I got to check you when you're
talking dumb. You said, you said.
No, Maddie, it's not a cool dude.
Put his next. Comment up, he said.
He said Kyrie. Isn't.
Any different look at pop and westill fucking lost the game.
We still fucking. Lost.

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It don't matter who was playing.We was losing and and then
people told me the offensive coordinator, we scored 30
points. Well, if you can score fucking
50 points and you score 30, you ain't doing good.
I'm just saying, man, we had people sitting on the bench that
could play, whether it was our starting quarterback was hurt in
Vanderbilt. I was sitting in the stands by

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my boy Greg. Shout out to Greg and his
family's dad's awesome. I'm sitting by them and I said
Karen's hurt. Y'all, y'all understand that,
right? I've never seen a football
player of his statue go down on his face and they said it's
cramps. Well guess what?
His fucking ribs was hurt and guess what?
Our coaches did put it back. In the game.

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Back in the game. He hurt his ankle, he hurt his
ribs, he hurt his shoulder, he hurt he one time he walked out
of a game with a knee brace on one leg and A and and and a boot
on the other one. I got fans to tell me that he is
no good. OK, man, you better know what
you're talking about before you start calling these kids.
Sorry. I'm just saying the the grown

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men that make more money than those kids or as much money as
those kids, what they grown to. I ain't saying the kids don't
deserve some scrutiny, but I'm telling y'all, the coaches knew
more stuff than what they let y'all know.
They let they didn't let y'all know a lot of stuff and some of
those players put them bullets for those coaches and that's
bullshit. That's what I'm upset about for

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this whole year. Well, Tally, we we discussed
that throughout the year numerous times.
And what pissed you the fuck offis you go get a six year
quarterback and if Kyra's hurt, it's like you have a fucking
backup for a reason. Put him in, play him.
Yep, that's on you and I, and I know.
And I love Coach Pride too. Please come back on with us,
Coach Pride. But he.

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He will at the same time. But I know he will.
Yeah, but. But the whole piece that goes to
that is you brought him in if Kyron's hurt and you know he's
banging because I know Brian played the collegiate level,
Tally played the collegiate level.
Jeremy, you played high school ball.
Y'all. Aren't going to ever tell
anybody you're too fucking hurt to play.
You're going to try to. Tell anybody.

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That. You can't be in your hands it.
Might be in your hands, it can'tbe in your, it can't be in the
players hands. Right, but you're.
Going to end up having somebody out here like Muhammad Ali, but
I got older. I used to dislocate my shoulder
and pop it back into place and. Keep quiet, but.
I but here's here's the problem that I feel more than anything.

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Yeah, he got he got banged at Vanderbilt and he fought through
it. The only time I only time I
really, I was infuriated is whenhe did get hurt at Rutgers.
And he damn, that's that's when he for sure got hurt and they
made a joke about it, which pissed me off.
But there, there couldn't have been.
There was not going to be a coach prepared or anything that

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was going to keep him from playing against Miami.
And they're about the problem because if you're going to do
it, if you turned around as we watch the season go along, he
didn't play great against Marshall, but he got passing.
He did his thing against ODU, but when he got hurt against
Rutgers, he was not going to miss that Miami game no matter

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what. That was his best game of the
season by far. That was his best game.
We won. That fucking game.
Well, well, yeah, but there there lies another problem in
that because, you know, you can't be running around
complaining in places saying people the offense is hokey and

(31:29):
stuff like that, pun intended, and not do your fucking job.
You can't lead in hey, man, justgo on with it, man.
You can't lead in drops, man. You can't fucking lead in drops,
man. You can't and talk shit about
the program or have your family talk shit about the program.

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You know, and, and that didn't make any kind of sense.
But that boy is out there on onefoot.
He wasn't going to miss the Miami game.
So if you, if he, if you turn around and know he's hurt, he
plays great in Miami, then you go ahead and play Slee against
Stanford. You play Slee going down, down
the stretch, you know, or whatever.

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Until he's a. Couple of games until he's
ready, but with his foot, the thing about the the biggest
thing about a foot injury, depending on what it is, if it's
spraying, we can work through it.
If it's broke, that's a longer injury than anybody can expect,
especially for a mobile quarterback.
His feet are so important to what he does that Kyron is just

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such a a great kid and a hard worker and a guy that's going to
fight, man. It's a it it, it was just to
watch him go and take the take the arrows that he took, man and
never said nothing negative man never.
And still didn't leave, still didn't leave when he got when he
got his degree. Still, still.
Yeah. When?
He got his degree, man. I love that kid, man.

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I'm real talk, man. He, he just, he just did more,
you know, but but Kevin says something to me, man.
Me and him were we at TOTS and we was drinking, you know,
Virginia, Shirley Temples, man. He gave me one statement that I
will always hold true, man, People think they matter and we
and people love the fans. I love the fans.

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I love people like. But sometimes, man, you got to
understand this thing is more than football and that boy loves
it here. There is not a there's not an
ounce of him that does not love it here.
He loves Virginia Tech, he loveshockey nation.
So for them, you know, to just drag him the way they did, no
seeing that he was deficient, a lot of that go a lot of that go

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to, you know, coaching. But they wanted to let him tough
it out. But they did the same thing with
Wells. They're going to give a guy the
ability to tough it out. And sometimes you like y'all
said man, you got to protect that kid from himself.
Sometimes you can't give somebody enough rope to hang
themselves and put themselves ina situation where they get
themselves hurt more and where they are hurting their team,

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unfortunately, because they aren't the person that they can
be and they aren't the player that they can be given those
limitations. Now, Jeremy, I do want you to
weigh in. What is the amount here?
How much goddamn Toradol did they feed Chiron this year?
Are his kidneys OK? Toradol is notoriously hard on
your kidneys. You give a lot of Toradol, it's

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going to rough him up. But I will say he is tough and
he is a big guy and he can handle it.
He's young. But but Jeremy, he wasn't the
only one. Yeah, Jeremy, he wasn't the only
one walking around there dying. You asked Steven Gosnell, coming
coming off of ACL, less than damn a year turned around.

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He's got a broken rib and bruised ribs diving from
footballs, giving it everything he got, man.
I, I, I just don't have no empathy for anybody saying, oh,
hey, this wasn't perfectly placed or stuff like that.
Man, go catch the goddamn football, man when it's thrown
to you. Yeah, my entire thing is like,

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these kids are hurt. We got to save them from
themselves. But the coaching staff, the
pressure they were under becauseevery game felt like a must win
game because we had such high expectations.
And I think that drove a lot of it.
And I put a lot of that blame onthe coaching staff squarely
because we've got to take care of these guys because you're not
just risking, oh, you know, you're going to aggravate an

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injury and they're going to be out longer.
You're risking their long term health and they've got an entire
entire life to think of. They're going to be carrying
this the rest of their life. We've got to take care of them.
Yeah. But I think and that came to the
point where go ahead, Dan. Go ahead, Dan.
But like, we're talking about injuries, and some of these
injuries were created by the offensive line.

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Every single fucking. Injury.
Except for Jalen Stroman, every single fucking injury was on the
offensive line. It's more of an indictment on
Rod Crook that Matt Moore has been here 3 days and has had
more movement in the portal thanhe did in two portals.
And if he's bringing the horses?If he's bringing.
The horses. Maybe we can remember what

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you're saying. Let's talk about this because I
don't know what Ron. Where is Ron Crook from?
Where is he from? Is he from West?
Virginia. He's from West Virginia.
OK, so he out there with the heels have eyes, people.
All right, Ron, this is what I need you to go do, man.
I need you to go take your pension that you got.

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Go fishing. Whack your meat into the water.
Maybe some fish will eat it. Never sit foot again in
Blacksburg. Never, never sit foot again in
Blacksburg because you did not recruit.
You was there for however many years.
I'll say to you, one year is enough.
And you don't go get no Lyman. You get no Lyman.

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Man, the place where we need to help the most, you know, black,
heady and then we there's. Eggs in the water, No.
And we and we never and we neverseen him and we never seen him.
We've never seen Cunningham. And neither.
One of the other you never seen.Him Cunningham had his, I mean

(37:14):
the head of his Dick in the two deep but like Freddy didn't even
sniff that. Shit Freddy like.
I think Freddy. Freddy quit.
I think he quit football. That's OK.
Ron Crook, you deserve you are awar criminal.
Ron Crook, you are a war criminal.
For what you did in West Warren,you got every single person on

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our fucking team hurt and you was doing zoom meetings to coach
an offensive line. You deserve to have your ass
whooped and probably you should have been the one to whoop his
ass. That's ridiculous.
The office of line coach the theoffice of line coach is horrible
and the and the strength and condition coach is horrible.

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Is that crazy? Am I crazy for?
Well, that's the people that gotfired.
Hey, that's the people. You are on both of those, Ally.
These are the people we can. Jump on these are our wonderful
scapegoats that we get to have and just like brutalize like
it's great. I just don't.
I also love the judgment's. Issue I I didn't jump, I didn't
jump in and then. Taylor's night.

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Don't go back to Blacksburg. We'll murder you.
I. Because I just don't understand
it man. I just, I just really don't
understand it because my mentality, like I understand
they have to be professional andI'm glad they are, but I see
coaches who are successful who aren't as professional as our
coaches. Like the only thing that I can

(38:38):
say about Marv, because I know some people who kind of know
Marv personally and I kind of, Iknow he was trying to go through
the job and get it done the right way.
But at the same time, like, I need you to nut up a little bit.
If things ain't going right, yougot to let somebody know.
Closed mouths don't get fed. I didn't see you throwing no
hats on the sideline. I need to see a motherfucker

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like Kirby Smart used to be on that sideline when he was the
defensive coordinator. Like like Will Muschamp used to
be like, come on, man. Like show some kind of like that
cool shit got to be out the window when you keep losing
games. And then we keep talking about
next week we're going to get better or next week we're going
to No, man, you got to fix it. You got to nut up.

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Sometimes it just pisses. Me off when I look back over the
season and I've been waiting to unload this of this show just so
I could talk about like the bullshit that we had to go
through and we had to see. And again, I know they had to be

(39:42):
professional, but fuck the professionalism when you keep
losing. I fucking hate Patton Arduzzi,
not as a person, but just like as a coach, but I respect the
hell out of him because he on that sideline, he trying to do
anything he can to win anything he can to win, cheat, shoot cags
on the players. He don't care.
Like I anything that they say Darduzzi did, I'll be like,

(40:03):
yeah, that motherfucker did it. You know what I'm saying?
Like if they was like he slashedthe coach's tires before we got
to the game, I'd be like, yeah, he probably did that.
But I can look at him. I I can look at him and tell
that motherfucker wants to win the game.
He may not win them all, but he wants to.
Our coaches, they were just cool.
There's a time and. Trace to be even man.

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You have the. Time and a place to be even
killed. But there's also a time.
And a place where you got to light fire somebody's ass.
Yeah. Because you got players always
just. Lead with that I will you know,
we, we, we should have did this.We could have did this.
At some point you got to light afire under your ass, the
player's ass, the referee's ass.You got to get.

(40:47):
I wanted something fashion into this thing so.
You're as pissed off as the fansfeel like in that moment,
because the fans feel like it sometimes.
Like you got to match our energyjust a little bit.
Yeah, as talent. Has.
Nut up or go nut in the river. Go ahead and.
Certain and certain things like certain things as.
Maybe the fish will come to you.Everybody knows I love Brent

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Pryor. Everybody knows I love Brent
Pryor, right? But like when that shit happened
in the season that that they talked about on the, I don't
know where they talked about it,but like there was that issue
with the offensive line amongst each other and it ended up being
them versus crook. Like you got to step like at
some point, probably should havebeen like, I don't give a fuck.
Like Parker Clemens is like, he's sitting down like we're

(41:32):
like, we're changing some shit on this line because too many of
the people that we invested a lot of money in are getting
fucked up. But I I've, I've had this
argument over and over on Twitter all year long.
Goes back to the fact of the matter that you didn't recruit
guys when he got here. The way Rudolph left your

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system. Fine Garrett.
Garrett could play, but Chaplin that when Chaplin got hurt
against ODU that affected a lot more things than what we on the
outside thought about with him being hurt and playing through
that. You couldn't make Garrett your
full time right tackle That would have that probably would

(42:13):
have ended some some stuff. You probably don't get Tyron
hurt against Rutgers if Johnny Garrett is your full time right
tackle, but Taplin kept getting hurt.
Right, but they benched, they benched Chick.
Why couldn't they bench Parker? Well, because you didn't.
Want the right? You didn't have another tackle.
The the issue, what he was saying in this case is you have

(42:35):
to be smart in your in your death chart protection because X
got banged and you're starting Johnny, then you've completely
fucked up your rotation because at that point.
It's ex. Tablet got hurt every week.
No, he's he. He got hurt.
I watched that man get carted off and come back to the next
series like that man was gettinghurt.

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Yeah, when he got when he got hurt at O to you and you turned
around and you played, you know,musical chairs then, but he kept
getting hurt. So you know, that was kind of
the point. Hey bench Parker play Johnny at
the right and and just ride withit.
You know, Leigh Ganem getting hurt and not being that's that's
kind of only reason why you saw Bob Schick, because Leigh got

(43:19):
hurt. They were going to go through
the they were going to go through the growing pains of
getting late to the point that he could go.
So it, you know, not him, not crook, not not recruiting more
guys or getting able to get someother guys in the portal.
That was it. You know, I was sitting there
earlier today whenever I was talking about these guys from
West Virginia coming, I was like, oh, well, you might lose

(43:39):
this guy. This guy might you got to man,
you got to have 12 guys in that in for a whole line.
You got to have 12 guys and guysfighting.
Entries that don't happen. This don't happen.
Don't happen. The people get complacent.
The. Other piece we always talk about
on this, and Brian and Tally always attest to it, is there
are some people that do not practice well.
They play well, they do not practice well.

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And it's always that discussion was was whoever was at right
tackle, whether it was Cunningham, Johnny, or they just
didn't look good in practice, inwhere you put some people on the
field in a game, they're absolute animals.
They're the best player you've ever seen.
You put them in practice, they're thinking, you put them
on the field. There's no thought.
It's attack. And I think that's where we all
wanted to be at some point in the season, like just try

(44:24):
something. He is, he is a liability.
He's already got people hurt. Just try something.
If you try something that might have saved your job, because it
might have been, you put Cunningham out there, he starts
running through people. It's like, oh, wait a second, we
figured something out, right? Yeah.
Completely different in every sport.
You see kids get in a cage in baseball, tally your son, you

(44:46):
know this and they cream it. You put them up there in a plate
live game situation, they back out.
They don't know what the fuck todo.
You. Have to just let people go.
During the game. We had.
Let's talk about Marshall. Game In the ODU game, there were
times that you could have just said I'm going to do this the
whole half. Part of coach.

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Evaluation. Part of coach evaluation is not
just saying who is my best guy right now.
It's also saying and being able to evaluate what's this guy's
ceiling, what is his potential, what can he give me if he can
put the pieces together, and what is it going to take for him
to put those pieces together. And sometimes what it fucking
takes is live snaps against opponent that you don't mind

(45:30):
hitting the fuck out of every day.
Sometimes it takes. It takes those types of.
Reps to get a guy right and, andsometimes you got to understand
that if I want to reach my greatest potential, I've got to
get that guy out there more regularly.
Whether he's a full time starter, whether he's a part
time or whatever he is, you got to get him on the field so you

(45:51):
can realize and maximize your potential as a group.
There's also weird internal. Politics when it comes to teams
like there, there, there is likethere's like this weird
hierarchy and if you show out ata certain way, it's it's odd.
Yeah, right. You got to when you when you are
a losing program, hate to say itor a mid program, you have to

(46:14):
throw that stuff out. You have to find a way and
that's what they're recruiting kids and saying.
That's why I was I was about to bring this up.
Glad you said that, Jeremy. Somebody said, somebody said
earlier, yes, he does. Somebody said earlier that Chris
Chris was a a player parent. I can't remember exactly what

(46:34):
the comment said, but it pretty.Much said.
Let me pull it up here in the show.
Yeah, pull it up. It's about a pawn shop owner or
some shit. I don't.
Wrong one pawn shop owner. He's a pawn.
Shop. Hold on.
This right here. There you go.
This is what you want to talk toTally?
That was Jr. Yeah.
So he says. He says no, that wasn't it.
Not that, not that one. It was a different one.

(46:55):
What just popped up on the screen for me, that's it.
That's the one right there. Dance of Saturday.
But he says Mr. Less, I work in the pawn shop industry for
years. The hardest part of making a
deal was something about the sentimental value is gone now.
But you're a player parent. So this well, Mr. Dance of of
Saturday, they let you go and I'll let Chris talk for himself

(47:17):
because he's grown and he can't.But I can tell you Chris's kid
that is at Virginia Tech was a high level recruit that came in
and didn't catch a pass this year.
So if his sentimental value for his kid was that high, he would
have been in transfer portal. He wouldn't be sitting here
talking to us. He's talking about what he

(47:39):
seems. As a Virginia Tech fan, I talked
to Chris a lot of times and his bias toward his kid has nothing
to do with what we're talking about here.
I don't know if you thought he was Kyron's daddy and and you
said that he just black. He ain't his daddy.
He's a different black dude. I don't know what it is, but
seriously, I'm joking around. But seriously, if if you look at

(48:02):
Chris's child, Chris's kid that's on the team, young man,
he he could have a different opinion about the coaching
styles and the coaching for things that his kids might his
kid did or didn't get. I ain't saying that he expected
or didn't, but I'm just saying you got to sometimes until you
talk to that person, you don't really know.

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So I seen that. And then when Jeremy said about
the hierarchy of football, because I'm going to say this,
Chris don't have to say it, we had wide receivers sitting on.
We had wide receivers sitting onthe bench that could have made
plays at some of our wide receivers that were in the game
couldn't. Ally Jennings is a great, is a
great football player. He's a great receiver when he's

(48:44):
healthy, but when he's hurt, he can't it's certain things that
he can't do the things that he'sgood at going high point in the
ball. He can't do it when he's got a a
bomb hamstring. We had some kids on the bench
that may have could have gave usthat.
You know, Quan Felton is a is a big body receiver that you
expect to go and maybe be like athird down receiver sometimes

(49:06):
stretch the field for you. But he didn't have that top end
speed that some of the kids on the bench had.
And I feel like sometimes the coaches just stuck with what
they had instead of making a change to say let me see what
this kid can do and what we all.We all I know what they can do
and I can't get this. I was on this show.

(49:28):
This ain't something that I'm making up.
If you just now getting started listening to BCP, go back and
listen to it. I can't remember what show it
is. Coach probably was on here and
he said, he said, I'm, I tell the kids I'm bringing in
somebody to take your job. But when you go and recruit a
kid and you tell them that and you tell them that and they get
there and that kid is not performing and you don't switch

(49:50):
them out, whether it's the quarterback, the wide receiver,
the right tackle, the credibility gets lost in
translation. So we got to fix that.
I don't got to fix it. I'm just going to watch it
critique the coaching staff has to fix it.
So I just want to bring that notnot, you know, knocking on what
you're saying. We appreciate you watching the
show and I'm glad you're coming.But I wanted to hit on that a

(50:10):
little bit. Chris, you can you can say what
you need to. Yeah, and we, we like having
these type of discussions and like, you know, call us out.
We'll we'll call you out. That's how this thing works.
Chris, I'm going to let you say your piece here and I'm going to
jump in on something else that Dad's a Saturday put in here
after that. Yeah, I, I just, I guess this is
the hardest part for me because we're friends and and I talked

(50:32):
to you guys, you know, we text each other back.
So I have a fondness for y'all, man.
You know, Jeremy took care of mykid this year, man, you know, at
the drop of a hat, man. So, you know, it's different.
Yeah, I know it's different. Dan.
Dan's one of the reasons that we're here because the crib is
the crib. So when people say stuff like

(50:52):
that, man, what? They fail to realize that I'm a
complete football owner, OK, I am the absolute.
I'm probably one of the nerdiestfootball guys y'all will ever
come across. It just so happened my kid is
talented. If anybody know me, I'll name
everybody else's kid before I name mine, OK?
I do that on a regular basis. So my whole thing is when you

(51:16):
see certain things happening, wasn't promised anything.
We dropped that kid off last year or this year and the coach
before, we let him say, hey, I'mtrying to find somebody to come
replace you. That's what he said.
That's one of the things he said.
So a lot of those kids dealt with that with those four guys,
those four guys coming back and it was a great thing that they
did. But once those guys start seeing

(51:38):
that I'm as good or I'm at the same level or I can be more than
it, it got to the point where people are looking like put him
in and let him go. You know, perfect example, we
got a kid that left who was hereand, you know, good kid, solid

(51:59):
family, great kid. But sometimes you couldn't trust
him to do certain things. And so those are the things
that, you know, that's when we say it's more than football.
You they got to be able to trustyou when they going to do
certain things. And so it's a lot.
Ali's going, Ali's going to get this opportunity, man.
He's going to play with us during this ball game.
And I hope things work out that he has some good film, good

(52:21):
tape, He doesn't get injured andhe get to go pursue his football
dream elsewhere. But you know, guys will guys
will want certain things to happen.
And when it didn't happen, they got they got it was a mental
block with certain stuff, man. And I'm just glad that, you
know, the guys who got over thathurdle mentally and said, Hey,

(52:43):
I'm going to come. I'm going to use this time and
go forward. But man, the last thing last
thing I am is, oh, I'm going to sit up here and campaign for my
kid to play because he got to godo that.
That's his job. He got to go be great at his
job. They know what he can do.
And that's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to
work out. Can I give Chris credit for like

(53:04):
3 seconds here? Go for it.
This man knew. He knew this year, he knew
Keelan wasn't going to, he wasn't going to go to a game and
watch his son really get in the game.
He came to every game. He went to all sorts of
tailgates around the community, especially mine, because he
knows if he needs the love, he needs the bourbon, he needs the

(53:27):
cigar. He's got the cigars.
Him and Big James Clark. They're coming to the the
Bourbon Goblers tailgate shout out, Nate, Steven, whatever.
But like, he knew like he came because he loved what was going
on. He loved.
Folks, I'm not. Like watching the Hokies.
Like. Hold up Dan, hold up Dan.
I'm not soft on criticizing somebody, kid.
I know these folks families. I know these folks families.

(53:50):
It ain't this ain't this like this is my whole family.
So I'm not going to cut. Hey, if you sitting and you see
somebody doing something, I still got to go see that folks
family. You know what I'm saying
criticizing him doesn't doesn't make it to the point that I'm
soft on him. I'm just saying he know what he
got to work on. I ain't got to make him work on

(54:10):
it. He know what he got to work on.
This this thing for football is for a period of time and it's
it's a you got so many snaps, somany times you're going to get
to play and there's going to come a time where you're not
going to be play no more. My critiquing him about what he
is is sitting there saying, Oh, my kids better.
Oh my, my wife has got on me foryears for calling kids.
Sorry. At games.

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My wife, brother, you, you have no idea how many I was.
Like she's like, you need to sit.
Down that's a reflection on Keith he suck I can't be doing
that to folks kids. You can't do that and sit in the
stand with them folks, kid, if their kids parents are sitting
right there, that's stupid, that's ignorant and that's
that's not intelligent to do to people, man no, it's.
Not this. Is wrong bro.

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So I want to tell Dad. Can I say something real quick,
Chris? I don't tell.
Dad's a Saturday. Me and Brian and Tally got to
sit in that section last year. You remember that, Game Boys?
Oh, yeah, You remember. Yeah, They grew up.
That was a. That was a true.
Game and I remember we've been up.
To y'all. Fans, y'all, they go to kids,
all the kids families around. US parents Rough.

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And it's like it's if that's being respectful, you can,
that's being respectful. Because Chris, I know for you,
how many times did you have to walk up the steps going to the
bathroom and just say something real bad?
Come back 5. Hours later, I was my, my, my
lips bled every daggone time because I don't know whose
family was around me, man. First game of the season, man.

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I was like, yo, get such and such out.
I got Johnny Garrett's family right on my daggone shoulder.
They like, yeah, they sitting there, they just shaking their
head, you know, I got Montanus Cunningham's family sitting
right next to me, You know what I'm saying?
And I got to sit there and be like, I can't say certain stuff.
So I'm like, hey, it is. What?
Yeah, that ain't that, ain't that, ain't we all being soft on

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criticizing kids that caught being smart, people who hide
behind that people who hide behind like I told people and I
ain't saying like that's a Saturday.
I, I, he's, he's been around fora while.
We've talked on on Twitter a couple of times.
But again, I don't know y'all, Idon't know what y'all fucking
look like. Everybody knows what I look

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like. The shit that I say.
I'm going to stand 10 toes beside it every time I'm going
to get on here. I'm going to show my face and
whatever come behind it, going to come behind it.
However I feel about a coach, however I feel about a player.
Y'all say shit and you hide behind burners.
That's why you feel comfortable to say it.
If you feel like you can do it, say some of the stuff you can

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say. Say it in front of them parents
say it in front of them kids andyou I promise you these when you
talking kids, these ain't no kids.
These is men. These are some grown big ass
people and and I'm telling you and the Mamas be worse than the
dad is like I think I can handlea man like a dad.
Like I'm sitting in the stands and I'm listening at some of the

(57:01):
moms talk and seeing some of themoms reacting.
I'm like man, I definitely don'twant to be on her bad side.
You know what I'm saying? Talk about her bad in her cub.
I have. Sat in the I have sat in the
parents section a couple times and I remember Chamari Connor's
parents and Tisdale's parents going crazy on their kids like
it's they, they, they let it fly.

(57:22):
Yeah, they let it. Go and I think I think the other
thing to think about like you know, it was talking about like,
you know, add nuance to it and like players, you know players
parents are going to be solved on criticize play.
No, they won't. No, they will not.
They won't that's. Somebody who?
I'll tell you. What else?
I, I, I play collegiate football.
I know what the process is about.

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I know what looks good. I know what doesn't.
I'm going to say it. I still sympathize with what
those players are going through and how fucking tough what
they're doing is. Yes, Sir.
But at the end of the day, I like the reason we do this was
because we want to try to get better and get to where we want
to be. And this is the thing, and this
is the thing too as well, Brian,just to throw something else in

(58:03):
now because, you know, being playing sports growing up long
removed. I'm, I'm, I'm a fan now, but my
son, my son plays basketball, baseball and football.
So I'm watching, I'm watching him play, but like his baseball
team, we'll just go that he plays travel baseball.
That's the sport that he plays the most stuff.

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And I've been with these parentsfor probably six to seven years
on most of the key with most of the kids.
If anybody follows me on like Facebook or or TikTok and stuff,
you'll see I'm interviewing kidsand cutting up with them and
stuff like that. But I don't watch these kids
grow up. So when we had a baseball and
I'm very I'm I'm that parent, that's if the other team does
some good, I'm going to I'm going to say, hey, especially in

(58:49):
baseball, if the other team doessomething good, I'm going to
say, hey, good hustle, man. You know, they 14, you know,
Hey, that's great play. Good hit, better, better
defense, great, great play. But there will be some parents
on the team that'll say, hey, can you say something to my son
because my voice is louder than theirs.
Hey, will you yell at him and tell him this or he listens to

(59:09):
you? Will you say this?
Because if I said he's going to get mad.
So these parents aren't soft on the kids, people who are soft on
their kids coach kids who not goto the next level.
Most of these parents and most of these players that are at
Virginia Tech, which is a big time school, whether y'all
believe it or not, they have watched these kids grow up and
go through a lot of football. So they're not just on that

(59:32):
saying we're the best and my kids should be doing this or, or
they're going to critique coaches when they're not making
changes. But when they kids get in and
they ain't doing something, theyprobably going to say it.
I'm going to say, I'm going to say I sit beside Aiden Green's
daddy and I would have never knew that was his daddy.
I'm going to, I mean, I I would have never knew that was his
pops. And I was like, hey, man, put

(59:55):
this motherfucker in. What are y'all doing?
And his dad never said nothing. And then they put him in and he
did something wrong. I think he may have missed a
block or something. This was last year.
And he said they not going to put you in the game unless you
do this right. That's what he said.
That's what his dad said. You one opportunity to go in and
you mess up. They're not going to put you
back in the game. So I'm like, I'm glad I

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understood that bad because I didn't know that was his daddy,
you know what I'm saying? But these parents are, I mean,
there are some parents just probably soft on their kids.
But more than likely when you have a high level athlete, the
hardest critique is going to be their parents.
Yes. Yeah, that the hardest critique
is going to be the parents. I've got two things to say on

(01:00:37):
that number one tally. You just summed up my first
point. Usually parents are the hardest
and the ones to criticize. I know everyone who came from
families that had athletes. Your biggest critic was your
parents, and it wasn't because they were coming down under you
being they want you to do betterand they're always going to be

(01:00:58):
the first ones to be like, what are you doing?
You've got to be out there. You got to do this.
That's that was always my experience.
That's how my family did it. Second, I'm not going to knock
anyone on like running a burner account and saying whatever they
need want to, but. Shut the fuck up.
About those of us who are actually out here saying shit, I
get fucking death threats. I've had actual retaliation

(01:01:21):
against my business in numerous ways, and not just from
individuals, from gigantic fucking corporations with the
wealth of fucking nations. They come at me all the time for
fucking shit I do. So shut the fuck up.
God, I love it. I love.
You but hey, but but real talk if if we going back to it.

(01:01:43):
So if we're looking at you know,because we're talking about the
breath of the season and now you're trying to take the show
over. If you turned around and you
knew Kyron was hurt at Rutgers, right?
And knowing full well he was going to play against Miami, I,

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I, I, I told him to Tally. I said, I told Tally.
I said it didn't matter what he could have been.
He could have been he could havehad a broke foot.
He didn't make a difference. He was going to play because
that's bragging rights at the house and he played his behind
off. He did if you if you go ahead
and put him down against Stanford.
In Boston College. And Boston College.

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In Boston, three weeks healthy. OK.
And then come back and play Sleebehind the same offensive line
because they ain't like he got an improvement offensive line
play. It was the same offensive line,
you know. Yeah, I mean.
You know it. I.
Mean not just Duke, man. Like I said, even in the

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Syracuse game, you know, we stopped.
We stopped throwing the ball down the field, but I think it
was like in the second quarter when one of the one of the
Syracuse VBS jumped the route and I think Kony had to did the
wheel route up up the up the sideline.
If he waits a second and let Kony clear, we probably blow
them out. And, but, but other people

(01:03:08):
trying to get picks and trying to play crazy and decide to go
to LSU and, and stuff like that end up causing us the game, you
know, shit. But it's.
Teramanos. Not naming names or nothing.
I mean, the Teramanos, man, blame it on the Teramanos.
But my thing is, if you do that,how does the season look?

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And then you got this. This groundswell of all the
fools is old, Pop is better, Slee is better, all this, but
this guy is hurt. How do we look at it right now?
If you think about it, because we probably went out.
We probably went out. We we probably win the same.
We win the games we won't Kyron.And the question is the Syracuse

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game that comes up. I mean, that game was a dub that
game. Talk about irritating moments of
the season. That was the more so you win
those three games. I know Robert.
You are waking him up, Jeremy, you know.
Yeah. Those three games.
I'm a sweet, innocent Jeremy. The the bigger thing is you go

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into Syracuse and this is crazy as shit to say.
You're 5:00 and 3:00, but you have a chance to run the table
and play in early December. As.
Crazy as that sounds, November 2nd, we still, after what
happened to Miami down the road,we held our own.
We had we controlled our own destiny of giving you the ACC

(01:04:36):
Championship. Whether we win it or not, we
don't know. But I think if you say Kyron's
healthy, you basically give him a month to everything that's
fucked up between his foot, his knee, his shoulder, his ribs and
every other part that he got beat.
To hell with what happened. Syracuse, Clemson, Duke and UVA
don't know because the Syracuse game, you sit here and it's like

(01:04:57):
that game was there. Yeah, He shouldn't have played
the. Clemson every game you could.
Every game. Like the Clemson game?
No, we played. Clemson Clemson was a playoff
team and we lost about 10 pointsand I don't think we ran the
ball with a running back and. We and we.
Didn't run the. Football at All 22.

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We didn't run the ball. Game Somebody get the ball to
Cody. Yeah.
Jaylen Lane was the lead rusher that game.
Yeah, I think Dan posted on Twitter he said Clemson big and
the ball ran down they throat the whole year.
I said, yeah, until you had our coaches that that refused to run
the ball. Like you have scholarship

(01:05:38):
running backs, you have scholarship running backs on the
team. You got to see if somebody can
run the ball, man. You have to.
I mean, you can't beat them justthrowing the ball.
That's impossible. Well, you looked at what
happened to Clemson's rush defense for the majority of the
year, not running the football against them, regardless of
who's in the backfield was, was just mind boggling to me.

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And, and that was that was the one game where I was ready to
say, you know, maybe Bowen can hit the road, You know, because
if, if, if, if you can't look atthat game and look at that
defense and say my best route tosuccess is, is running.
The ball between the tackles. Yeah, then that's a problem.
And, and I think I think one of the best defense tackles was out
that game too. I think one of the top because

(01:06:24):
the guy was out of the game. So you run Coney, you give
baseball another week to get healthy.
Like I said, me personally, I just think after the Georgia
Tech game, you should have played Slee and me and Tally
talked about it. We knew Georgia Tech was going
to put nine in the box. Georgia Tech put 12 in the box.
They said we refuse to let him get off on us.

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So if you run Coney, you know, because I think he had more pop,
more burst. Mason was hurt.
You know, Mason had a bad hamstring.
So I think that was kind of the reason why they didn't play him.
But I also look at, you know, kind of saving certain things
for, you know, purposes, you know, we don't know, but I would

(01:07:06):
have played, I would have playedConey, I'd have played Mason,
you know, out of out of kept, out of kept baseball's numbers
down. Because if you think about it,
baseball's biggest games, he's like 1617 carries.
Think about it, 1617 carries is what baseball is getting, you
know, so they want to keep they don't want to throw the ball a
lot. You know, 3030 plus passes in

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this offense is something that they really don't want to do.
They really want to play it tight and close to the vest.
They want to run the football. They want to be complimentary,
but we we didn't see a complimentary game all year.
I mean, the the closest man, theonly complimentary game we
really, really saw that all three phases didn't give us
something to say. God Dang, was UVA UVA Stanford,

(01:07:55):
UVA Yeah, UVA Stanford. That's it, That's it.
You know, that's what we saw. So yeah, we we got a lot of head
scratching. Do I think, do I think a lot of
the younger players that are on this team, this 24 class, this
25 class are upgrades over some of the guys we had?
I'm going to say yeah, I'm goingto be totally honest with you, I

(01:08:17):
think. I think now you're not.
You're not going to you're not going to get the same upgrade.
You're not going to get the sameupgrade as people's.
Yeah, Here we go. Let's.
Talk about this real quick. Let's talk about this real
quick. We're we're not saying Schlee or
pop over Kyron, We're saying a healthy Schlee or pop over a
vastly injured Kyron. These.

(01:08:39):
Situations. Oh well, it's still a fucking
problem, but a healthy quarterback is better than an
injured quarterback. Absolutely.
And you saw and you saw that yousaw that in in those games.
Syracuse game Slee played well. He you know, he played well.
You know, you just, I think I think they kind of like you had
certain things. You know, when, when, yeah, when

(01:09:02):
Coney fumble. That was huge because we were
driving on them again, you know,that was a big turnover.
And so, and like I said, you hadcertain gaffes on the defense by
one particular damn guy that lost you that fucking Syracuse
game. That's it, man.
Just go and call him. What the fuck it is a dude had
four. He didn't have any catches

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coming into that fucking game. He'd been a junior, No catches
in his in his college career. 4 catches, 88 yards, 2 touchdowns.
That wasn't nobody else but two guys.
It's called it what it is, man. Yeah, you're supposed to win
that game. Yep, you're.
Supposed to win that game but both of them decide to leave
and. Play over there, Matty B Say he

(01:09:44):
got a camera and a mic. Get him in here, you know, if we
get him in here. So so that's send him a.
Link. If he wants to talk, let's talk.
Send him a link, he stay want toget in.
The only problem with that? Let's get him in.
If you win that Syracuse game, your whole perspective is
different. Yeah, your whole entire
perspective is different becauseup to that point, outside of
Hokey Donnas, who said he knew well before anybody else knew

(01:10:06):
that Kyra wasn't going to play. I knew a dude who knew Kyra
wasn't going to play on Thursday.
But he ain't saying nobody. He definitely did call his best
friend Tally and tell him he didn't do that.
But you know that that that ain't how that work.
But knowing that the staff held it close to the vest, Slee
wouldn't play great. You should have won, won that
football game. And your whole perspective is

(01:10:28):
different that what that loss hurt more than any other game
for me all year. Yeah, I'm with you because the
the the worst team won that football game.
Absolutely. That's why it's frustrating
because you take away 2 plays, you outplay them in pretty much
every phase of the game. Without question. 100% true,

(01:10:51):
100% true. I'd argue we.
Were the we had the best playersand we're the best team in most
every of our games. The only argument against that
was Clemson and Miami. And honestly, I feel like we
beat Miami and then Clemson. That was, we were just, that was
right, rough. That was a rough game.
To watch we still it was a 10 point it was.

(01:11:12):
Very close. Yeah.
I know we had so much talent. That's what hurts.
And we know, and we're still going to have a lot of talent.
We just got to put it together and I feel like we put it
together and we make it click. We can really have a good season
coming up. We really can.
We just got to make it click. That's the biggest thing.

(01:11:34):
Yep. So let's talk a little bit about
what we've done in the transfer portal so far, because I mean,
that's that's been a big thing. We had a lot of lot of people
out. We talked about that a little
bit. Let's talk about some of the
folks we getting in because I feel like we're, I think we, we
had to be talked off the ledge alittle bit.
The first week of the transfer portal.

(01:11:54):
I think we saw a lot of bodies going out the door.
There was a lot of fucking uncertainty between who we going
to fire. All right, now that we fired
somebody who we going to hire. Can we get guys in here while
we're kind of in this transitionphase?
And then we started seeing them trickle in and trickling in
pretty good right now. You know, we got got a, you
know, a big crop of DBS that came in.

(01:12:17):
We got a, you got AD line. We got a couple running backs.
So, you know, we're looking pretty good on those fronts.
What are we looking like from a transfer portal situation?
Everybody's dropping out apparently.
Apparently I started talking to everybody left.
Oh, it was a obviously bathroom break time.
I'm still here for you. I'm still here.

(01:12:38):
Sally, what you got on these transfers?
I mean, I put something up whenever everybody was kind of
acting crazy at the beginning and I was like, I mean, the
transfer portal is going to giveand it's going to take, you know
what I'm saying? I think I said something to the
effect of, you know, we we did get a, you know, 16 SAT guy

(01:12:59):
through the transfer portal and somebody pretty much told me
that I was crazy. You know, all that's just that's
not going to happen And well, you ain't going to get nobody.
Then we start getting people andI'm like, that's what happens.
That's what's good. That's what this new age of
football is. So I will say, you know, now
specific they upgraded the safeties room.

(01:13:24):
You know, our starting safety played in half of a game being
Jalen Shroman, and we never seenhim again because he got
injured. So they went out and got some
safeties and a couple of other safeties that we do have are
young and show promise. Q Reddish.
So with what they did going to picking up flowers and cash, I

(01:13:49):
think it's a good move because you bring in some veteran
leadership and you bring in someproduction.
You know, those both of those guys were productive at their at
their stops that they were at. Didn't they get the ECU
cornerback because we have the lane go in the in the portal,
which again, for me, I didn't expect to see the lane anymore

(01:14:13):
in Virginia Tech just because I thought he was going pro.
I thought he would go to the NFLfor what you know, he's going to
LSU. Kudos to him.
So yeah, I hate to see that because I'd much rather him go
to the NFL and they say drafted from Virginia Tech, you know,
Monsoor de Lion, but he's got todo what's best for him.
So either way it goes. I had already mentally made my

(01:14:34):
mind up that I wasn't going to see him play at Virginia Tech
anymore. So they go and get this kid from
ECU, which is a serviceable kid,But I think we got young talent
again on the in the room that can come in and play.
We've seen Dante Lovett play last year and I think it's just
going to be reps for him to comein and continue getting better.
Braylon Johnson, I think they kind of moved him to safety.

(01:14:56):
We seen him play his true freshman year and he red shirted
last year. We got some other kids back
there, you know, Josh Clark and Thomas Williams.
A couple of those other kids, man, that we just haven't seen
that. Now they're going to be going
from, you know, someone being freshman to their juniors or red
shirts sophomore three years in college.

(01:15:17):
If it's not your time to play, then when is your time to play?
You know what I'm saying? Like we got to, we got to start
seeing some productivity from these guys that we do have.
And like I said, they did go outand they went and grabbed also
Radish's brother, bring him in another, you know, bring in some
more, you know, veteran type players that can show some of

(01:15:40):
the younger guys 'cause sometimes.
And I, I, I'm going to be honestwith you, I have not watched a
lot of film on the transfers that we're getting in.
But I do know when you have somebody who's played at any
program, they bring in some kindof way to be a pro, how to go
through your game day, how to, you know, treat your body when

(01:16:03):
you're not playing, you know, different things.
Like that is some of the stuff that you need that's not shown
on the field because you got to have somebody who knows how to
tell the younger guy, man, you got to go to bed at such and
such time on game day. Because if you don't get enough
sleep and you eat Skittles all night, your body's going to

(01:16:25):
react to certain just little stuff like that or you can't be
up on a game. Wait a second, hold.
On I was crazy as shit that weekbecause I was watching these
transfers go out and I was freaking the fuck out, but I was
too. Busy to like, tweet about?
It I'm going. To answer Hashem real quick,

(01:16:45):
because we've got a first time here.
First of all, that is the Kirkland.
That is the Costco 12 year blended Scotch.
He's from Costco, he's going to blow up.
He's by South. Carolina Costco.
He brought it up last week. At the family Gallery.

(01:17:08):
Oh, that ain't Dan Matty B Oh, Matty B got a whole set up.
He got everything over there. He got black lights Matty B in
here hey get him on here I'm. Mute this up.
Hold on hold. This is big.
This is the first time we have ever brought a fan on mission.

(01:17:32):
Ever. We've talked.
About doing this. Shit before me and Brian have
and this is what we got going onMaddie.
He is, he is. Fully embracing, say, the
program. He is drinking.
He's got the old school TV. Logo Salute.
Salute. 1993 Hokey sat on, so salute.
Welcome, Maddie to the state of the program, where ain't nobody

(01:17:53):
over but Tally because he got tostay sober because he can't lose
all his money getting drunk whenhe got downstairs.
Yeah, I'm drinking water over here.
And I hear you guys and I, I, tobe honest, I, I appreciate you.
Witness Matty B standing up and fucking coming on.
Yeah, witness. That.
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, we live in a age of cowards and I
feel if you're going to say something, you may as well say

(01:18:14):
it. And I'm not afraid of coming on.
I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I do have opinions on
things. I'm willing to be corrected and
I'm willing to be right. Brother, I'm the same boat as
you. Have you seen my fucking
podcast? It's me and Paul just fucking
going on, and we say if you wantto see real conversation about
football, go watch Boundary Quarter right after.

(01:18:37):
But actually, and I'm not going to spread any hate on your
podcast, but of the hokey socialmedia presence on YouTube and or
X, this is the only one that I can really tune into.
I, I, I don't like the other ones.
This is the the real deal for me.
This is the only one that I tuneinto.
I've told Tally that I've quote tweeted him and and you know, I

(01:19:00):
love, I love tune into this particular program because you
guys are willing to get down andwe're not reading poems at the
beginning. But.
I would say that I, I, I. Like those guys?
Very cool man, I met them all. Hey, I'm not speaking for the

(01:19:21):
podcast. I'm just a guest here, OK?
If you want to help me out, you can.
I love those. Guys, they sent me a a nice
glass kit of whiskeys. I know I just, I just think we
got to get rid of some of the pussy assness from from our
program and, and, and, but yeah,but anyways, I, I just came on
to talk to you guys. I love the way that you talk

(01:19:42):
about Virginia Tech football. I don't always agree with you,
but I'm I'm here and I'm willingto talk and I'm willing to hash
it out with Chris over some things that I've said.
I'm willing to hash it out with anybody over anything that we've
talked about. Or if you want to bring anything
up, I'm willing to chime in. But thanks for having me on and
let's go Okies. I'm going to get on you for this

(01:20:03):
because this is for me. You said went out like you do
realize the Syracuse game, if wewon out, we would have been the
ACC championship game. We lost three games by 17 points
and I'm going to go step by step.
Syracuse. Let's not hash that again
because goddamn it, I'd make everybody in here angry as well.
Clemson, we know Kylan was injured and then we run the ball

(01:20:26):
4 goddamn times the whole game with our lead running back
Jeremiah Kony had went for 96 yards on 10 carries against
Syracuse. Malachi had 72 yards, averaging
5.2 per carry. We were running the ball against
one of the worst fucking run defenses.
We chose not to run. And then the Duke game, I was

(01:20:48):
watching that in my sister's house and I had to listen to the
rest of it on the radio. So when you say went out
question mark, homie, it won't. It won't.
Like we got that fucking blowersblown the fuck off.
It was there, we fucked it up, I'll say that all day.
But if you take a look at that the last month of the season,
November 2nd, the Hokies controltheir own destiny.

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Yeah, do 5 and. Three, let's talk about talent.
Let's talk about execution. Let's talk about because those
those are the three things primarily that go into winning
football games. Talent for the most part, we
were there in, in in most of those games.
We were there execution spotty at times and and and Chris has

(01:21:32):
talked about it, you know, especially the Syracuse game,
which we won't necessarily run into the ground and give
execution was a problem at multiple times this season.
Coaching in in particularly situational coaching was bad at
a lot of key parts of this season.
There were opportunities to win there.

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And to Chris's point, I think ifyou are better with the way you
are managing those week to week things, you put yourself in
better position on game day for the execution piece and that
makes up for some of those otherthings.
Yeah, well, I mean, and and other news, Brian, water is wet.

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I mean, I mean like, you know, if we execute well, we win.
The problem is we didn't. And I don't, I like to blame
players a lot #70 I'm not going to say his name.
Parker Clements, I did not like him.
But there's, but you know, I mean, we could talk about
execution and we really could have got in there and all these

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things. This comes from the top.
This is a top down. Shit runs downhill, right?
And that's that's why we suck right now.
And I agree. With you, we could have won out
and that's why I put that thing went out.
That's crazy. That was sarcastic and so I
guess it didn't come off that way.
No, no, I, I got. What you were saying, Curtis,

(01:22:56):
Are you that fucking drunk? No, no, no.
No, Maddie, I didn't. Know how to.
Read your thing like the Hokies respect thing.
I thought you were actually being semi serious.
Oh no. The HR saw.
Your. Virginia Tech football now.
I saw your one O comment, I wentOK I know what he's doing.
So, so just a little backwards context for you guys.
I'm getting married in May and I.

(01:23:17):
Congratulations. Thank you.
I decided for my bachelor party not to go to Vegas or not to go
to these other places. I plan preseason to have my
bachelor party for the Clemson game.
I got a suite because I bought into the hype.
I bought the lie. I said boom, we're going to go
to the Clemson game. I'm showing my boys Virginia
Tech football because I've livedin Portland, OR for 10 years and

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I went to so many. Games.
And I couldn't tell you. I said I'm going to show my boys
what Blacksburg is all about. And by the third quarter, it was
a funeral. Everyone had their hands on my
shoulders and it wasn't a good thing.
And so, but if we would have wonthat Syracuse game, that Clemson
game is so much different. And then if we went out from

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there, we're talking, we're going to the ACC championship.
And, and I mean, so I was being very sarcastic in the sense of
went out as a joke. It was.
It was more so in the sense of why is our leadership sucks so
bad and why can't they rile these boys up to win a damn game
like they did at. The rainy game, right?
So The thing is, The thing is what I put your first comment up

(01:24:23):
about Maddie, is when you say Kyron in Good Slee and Papa
Better or something like that. I don't want to lie and say you
said something that you didn't, but it was something to that
aspect. But then now when we're talking,
we're talking about why can't the coaches rile them up?
I'm just trying to see where areyou coming from what, what
context do you get that this player and this player are head

(01:24:47):
and shoulders better than this player?
And if they are, why didn't the coaches put them in?
I think we agree on that point. I think a lot of us agree on
this podcast with that point where it looked like seniority
was a big deal for this coachingstaff and wanting the seniors to
play out their season. And there were players that were
better that were not played because the seniors were

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playing, for example, Parker Clements or for example, letting
Chiron out there with injuries. He's obviously hurt.
I don't hate Kyron drones. I I just think that he wasn't an
effective quarterback in the system that we're running,
especially hurt. He we could have gotten through
if he was fully healthy the whole season.
But I think the coaches. But you got to think, you got to
stand on what you said, you got to stand on what you said.

(01:25:32):
When you type it, you said Kyronis not good.
That's what you say. You're backtracking.
What you said you said Karen is not good, popping better.
Why was he still playing? Right.
So Karen isn't any good. What I meant by that is he

(01:25:52):
wasn't good to play those games.He was not good, Kyron.
Is not any, but that isn't what you're.
Saying on the field to make the place.
That he needed to play. To to to have the offensive
execution for they ran him like a battering ram for the first
few games. I mean, Kyron isn't any good in
those situations. If he's hurt, he's not any good.

(01:26:12):
But that's what you didn't say. But hold on.
This is, this is what I'm going to say, man.
I'm going to kind of take your side for say, when you type in
shit that can happen. So first thing, it's always.
I'm in the. Context because if you were to
say. I love Curtis.
If you would have said. Curtis typing or talking?
Let's go. Y'all know how that goes?

(01:26:32):
I know that because the way I type and shit.
But the whole thing is you've got to throw that in there
because you're right, right? If that's your feeling, Kyron
Hurt is not them. I think everybody, all seven of
us here agree and probably all 478 people watching us right now
agree Kyron banged up was not asgood as those guys.
No, they weren't. Well see this guy makes this.
That was context because the waywe read it is wait a SEC, Kyron

(01:26:57):
Jones last year, 17 touchdowns, 3 interceptions starting at the
Marshall game, which we want to go back to 2023 and we can
always say this program was the first program to say Kyron Jones
should have been a starting quarterback.
We said it right after the spring game with Mike McDaniel
sitting here. Mike's, Mike tried to join us
later if things aren't happeningat his house, but the, the, the

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context has to be there because when it's when we're out in this
sort of arena, all we see is Chiron isn't it's good.
It's like, first of all, we had a chance to talk to Karen and
everything and they did not run him like a batter and ran the
first few games. They were trying to make him a
pocket passer which Tally went the fuck off on.
Right. So this is the thing that the

(01:27:38):
only reason that I was harping on that was not to be
argumentative with Maddie. I just want people because what
I do when I look at football andI watch Virginia Tech football
is I get very personal as far ashow I feel and what I remember.
And I don't go into really what happened.
The things that people are saying and the things that we
remember is not really how it happened a lot of times.

(01:27:59):
So you have to go back and you have to look at it and you got
to kind of go through the whole film and self evaluate and go.
What really happened here? Just like Tim said, they didn't
run him like a battering ram. They tried to make him a pocket
passer, which he still got hurt in in Vanderbilt.
If y'all don't know if he was atthe game he's pleased, let's run
with. That let's run with.

(01:28:19):
That but but my thing is, but what I'm saying is when we seen
Kyron play last year and it ain't just the fans, it was
people who aren't Virginia Tech fans said this kid has
something, This kid has something.
He may be a dark horse Heisman. I didn't get to that far, but
some people had that. Some people said he may be ACC

(01:28:40):
player of the year, couple otherthings.
Whatever the case may be, if he gets to that form, Virginia Tech
can do this. Apparently that didn't happen.
We seen what happened this year,injuries, him not being good,
whatever fans want to say whatever we think.
But what I'm saying is when you say that the other quarterbacks
had the same offensive coordinator, all I'm saying is
the other quarterbacks came in and got hurt or the other

(01:29:03):
quarterbacks came in and we still lost games, we still
didn't win. Like what did they do so good
that we did that made us better Again, any quarterback that
would have played, any quarterback that would have
played would have beat UVA. That's what I thought.
Stay on the topic. All right, so let's let's look
at this. If if I were to go to any of

(01:29:24):
Chiron's games this year, any ofthem and then we run, let's just
go to the just extended replays on YouTube, the show where the
condensed version of games. Would you say that pops and
sleaze games look different thanKyron's?
Kyron was hurt. He got hurt in Virginia.
At the first game of the year, we get started at the first game

(01:29:46):
of the year. He was hurt in the first game of
the year. He got hurt.
You don't remember that he was. Laying on the field?
No. He was laying on the field, face
down. Why was he playing?
That that's the question. You said the office of
coordinator made the other two quarterbacks look good.
I'm saying why would they let him play and he's hurt.
When we talked about this in thespace, the office brought up the
fact. Everything was different.

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Everything was different. See, we talk about Vanderbilt
too, but like, even a hurt Kyronin against Vanderbilt completed
66% of his passes, 322 yards andtwo touchdowns.
Two touchdowns and had. I mean, he wasn't out there
taking a shit on the field despite how we felt for the
duration of that game. Yeah, we should have been, you

(01:30:27):
know, and, and, yeah. And he had like a lot of bad
drops in that game. He had a lot of bad drops in
that game. Oh yeah, a lot.
Of and Ollie Jennings had one across the middle that was a.
Now this is what I was saying. Yeah, what knowledge, Aiden?
Green my bet. And what we'll say and what
we'll say to Maddie's point, I'mnot saying Karen is above

(01:30:48):
criticism. I'm not saying that at all.
But what I'm saying is that thiscoaching staff 100% for a fact
knew that he was going to be deficient for certain reasons
because he was hurt. And they said, hey, can you
please do this for us? Can you please go and do this?
Because we don't want the opticsto look this way.

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And his parents and him said we're going to let that happen
so fans can go. When Chris said the kid took all
the arrows, he took all the arrows for this year, took them
all. He wasn't even.
He came back. They stopped him from going to
school. He didn't go to class any during
the Georgia Tech week, he didn't.

(01:31:30):
He had three Mris that week or that month.
He didn't go to class at all. So they knew he was hurt and he
went and scored a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown
and. Been in the damn game.
And receiving touchdown, he shouldn't have been playing, but
they said the coaches were playing this game where they
were saying we got to win. This is the more important game,

(01:31:54):
so let's do this. And then when they played the
game of, well, he might play against Syracuse.
He was supposed to be on a in a boot that week.
This isn't something that tally made-up.
You can go check records or you can talk deep enough in
Blacksburg and they'll tell you he wasn't.
He was supposed to be in a boot against Syracuse or coming out,
but they said, well, let's let him warm up so we can trick him.

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All of the media do. All of Virginia Tech media knew
all of them. All of them knew and they.
And they trusted crime because they wanted to get their money
in. What, other than money would
make that decision happen? He didn't play that game, so I
don't know what the money is that we're talking about.
I'm just saying they they, they were trying to play a head game
with Syracuse, which kind of worked because Schlee went in.

(01:32:39):
You know what I'm saying? Schlee went in and played and he
played fine until he got hurt. You make this.
He got here for two. Quarterbacks.
Now that being said, I I don't understand the mind games to the
point where when I look at ColinSchlee, when I look at Colin
Schlee other than his physical stature, right?
I mean Kyron is imposing from a physical standpoint.

(01:33:00):
Other than that, their games arevery similar.
Very much. Very similar, very much so.
You're not necessarily even playing a great head game
because you're still preparing for a similar type of
quarterback. Other than the fact that Kyron
can run you the fuck over. Right.
Hey, Mr. I can ask you a. Question, Maddie, Hold on, hold
on. Let me say this real quick to

(01:33:21):
him. Curtis, go ahead.
Go ahead. No, no, no mine.
Mine's legit, Maddie. No, I was just going to say,
Maddie, I'm not cutting you off from the stuff that you're
saying because you you have yourright to have any thought
process. You want to we all fucking mad
because we didn't win this year,but I just want fans that when
we're talking, yeah, I just, I just want fans to look at the

(01:33:43):
complete package whenever we're talking about stuff because a
lot of times we go to players and players and players.
And sometimes it's player, coach, player.
Sometimes it's coach, coach, player.
You know what I'm saying? We got to get on everybody.
And Maddie, you do that. You get on the coaches too.
I ain't saying that you, you, you crossed them out.
But I do feel like a lot of fansget bowing a pass and I fucking

(01:34:03):
don't know why because I'm goingto tell you right now, I'm on
his ass just as bad as any of the other coaches because he got
everything he wanted back this year and he didn't do shit with
it. That's my opinion.
A great point with fucking Bowenis he he got everything back,
but he did not take care of the offensive line.
You cannot build an offense without a fucking offensive

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line. Go ahead, Maddie.
Did you go to tech first of all?Yes.
What? What years?
Briefly, it was between O 8 and halfway through O 9 I dropped
out and I started selling drugs and the same as Doctor Jeremy,
but he graduated. Yeah, we went to school the.

(01:34:47):
Same time I went to school, yes,yes.
But I also, I grew up in Blacksburg as well, so I grew.
Up, yeah. So.
Fatty. Yeah, I went to Blacksburg
Middle School, Christiansburg High School and then to Tech so.
You probably went to the old middle school before it was
tornado. Yeah, before it was completely
destroyed. Yeah, luckily I wasn't there for

(01:35:08):
that, but. Yeah, you are not in the actual
building. I'm very, yeah, I'm very
familiar with with the area. It's, it's important to me.
I watched a small town transformfrom impoverished to, you know,
having the football team is super important to me because of

(01:35:29):
how I saw my community transformed.
So I, I, I guess I have a littlebit more heart in it than I
probably should sometimes. Now you, you now you're hard in
the right place. Don't, don't, don't, don't do it
like that. You're hard in the right place.
I, I think what, what you know, what you're saying is that, you
know, there's enough and me and Tyler gone around around with

(01:35:50):
it. It's enough blame to spread
around all across the board. You know, I love this staff.
I love this school, I love this program and I'm I'm relatively
new to it, But you know, it's still to the point where, you
know, there are certain things along the way that and, and for
me and, and just for me, you know, just like Tally said, that

(01:36:11):
Georgia Tech week is, is the week that turned it for me
because you had the opportunity to do certain things.
You you slee wasn't coming back playing get prop, get pop
prepared and and whatever happened, whatever, whatever
happens happened. But a lot of these guys, they
came on y'all show early, early last year.

(01:36:32):
I remember Kyron saying, Hey man, we came back to get
prepared to go to the pros. Yep.
And, and I, and I and I, I, you know, I kind of say to a lot of
the guys, because I talk like, play where your feet are
planted. That's going to happen.
If it's going to happen, it's going to happen.
But play where your feet are planted.
But they were playing for the league in August.

(01:36:55):
That's what they, they weren't playing to be great this year.
They were playing for the leaguein June, July, August.
That's it. That's where their minds were
at. And and then just had they just
went and took care of their business the way they could
have, then it would be totally different.
But but going back to the the biggest thing, and I think this
Matt Moore higher, like everybody said earlier, it's
probably the biggest, biggest hire is a huge hire and change

(01:37:19):
some things in strength and conditioning because what we're
seeing and I think with this DC high is going to help too.
That's going to be that's going to be huge.
You got to win. Let's.
Let's start with that right now,because you're saying that we're
often here screaming at who do y'all think, and I'm going to
pitch you to Dan. Dan, you've been quiet.
Dan got Dan's computer fucked upon it and it had a rough last 15

(01:37:41):
minutes. Dan, who's the DC hire,
honestly. Who like who do I?
Who? Who do?
You think And who do you want? Man, I the honestly the longer
it goes the more I think it's Anthony Poindexter.
OK, is that who I don't? Though.

(01:38:02):
I mean, at this point, yeah, like, Jeff Collins doesn't
inspire me. He's a good DC.
But like, I feel like there are some new coaches around our
regional rivals for recruits. Not to mention James Franklin is
still heavy in Virginia. Like he got Tony Rojas had a

(01:38:22):
pick 6 in that fucking playoff game and he's a Virginia kid.
Like like, you know what I'm saying?
Like it's just like I feel like from AI feel like he's a good
coach is not necessarily the March situation because he's 48.
He's been Co DC. He had a little he dabbled in
calling some plays. I feel like even pride and Manny

(01:38:43):
Diaz and now Tom Allen have probably groomed this dude to
call plays. He's great recruiter.
He'll get kids to come to Virginia Tech.
I feel like that if that if you're going that route, like
that's who I would go with. He's the closest thing you can
get to like hiring Tori and Graywithout hiring Tori and Gray.

(01:39:03):
Because you're not. At this point, you're not hiring
Tori and Gray. We're not getting Gray back.
So if if what you want to do is get a big Dick recruiter that
can pull kids from Virginia thathas at least enough experience
doing it, whether you whether Co, DC or whether calling the
defense, he's checking a lot of the boxes.
The only box he doesn't check isthat after you move on from a

(01:39:26):
MARV, you're not getting a very proven defensive coordinator.
In terms of a guy that is calledthe defense for multiple years
before coming into Blacksburg, that's the one thing.
You're Maddie. Maddie, Maddie, First things
first, this is our podcast. You don't fucking stay on mute,
dude. Everybody's got a voice here.
You stay off mute. Is that a?

(01:39:48):
This is. Dino no, I'm not.
I'm going to be honest. Can I be honest?
I I have a little bit of gas. Oh my God, we don't.
Hey man, like to be honest. Jack the Ripper in this bitch.
Can I just say something real quick?
I kind of respect Maddie for putting his face on the camera
and letting him be his thoughts be exposed.

(01:40:10):
Is that your is your picture is Joe, it looks like that's you,
right? People think I'm a burner.
I did an AI picture to put a headset on me so I could like.
I just want to say I'm not I. Just want to it's the only time
I'm ever going to say this. I'm going to say it now on this
program. There are grown ass men on this

(01:40:32):
in this world that all they do every day is think about me.
They're with their wife at the Thanksgiving table, they're
opening presents, they're thinking about me.
They're and I feel bad when theyfuck their wife because I
guarantee you they're not thinking about her.
That's all I'm saying. You got man.
Prod alone. We didn't got we.

(01:40:52):
The liquor has hit Dan's hit Maddie.
We'll. Go to you.
Before we got everybody else, DCwhere you want.
I mean, honestly, I mean, I don't hate the the Poindexter
thing. I I really just want someone
who's called snaps before. I'm kind of with you guys.
I don't really follow the coaching trail and all of these

(01:41:13):
things and really try to dive into all of them.
I want our leadership to pick somebody who's good.
I hope that Pride would. He didn't before with Mars.
So my trust is a little broken. But I'm not going to go through
every single potential coaching hire and their resume and all
these things. I want a culture fit.
I want somebody who loves Blacksburg.
I want somebody who loves Bud Foster.

(01:41:36):
I want somebody who who can really Foster under oh, wait,
pun intended. Pun intended.
Under that under that care. I don't have like somebody in
mind. I don't I I just want them to
play Virginia textile defense and I want us to be aggressive
10 our years back and get blown out on 3rd downs as usual.
Yeah. I mean, let's talk about this

(01:41:57):
comment from Andrew, because, you know, I think this is kind
of at the crux of the two, the two biggest names that have been
floated out there in terms of APand Jeff Collins.
You know, I, I, I like the pointhere.
The only thing that I will say is that we've talked about pride

(01:42:17):
needing somebody that can help him with in game management.
That's been a big problem off and on throughout his his
tenure. It shows up big time in one
score games because when it's tight, you see the flaws a lot
easier. And we we've seen the flaws in
one score games, prize decision making and crunch time.

(01:42:38):
So Jeff Collins could potentially help with that.
I'm still at the point where Jeff Collins rubs a lot of
people the wrong way. I don't know how good he would
be in this footprint. Was Jeff Collins, don't know if
North Carolina this year? I don't know if I.
Trust the coach that gave. 70 Burger Did they have a?

(01:42:58):
Did they have a? Basketball school, Yeah, right.
They did, yeah. That motherfucker can't come
here and coach. He.
Gave up seventy point you. Need resume guy to be a game
manager. Does that person really have to
have a big resume? I almost feel like you go to
tech sideline and bring on DavidCunningham and he would game

(01:43:20):
manage pretty well. My fucking nephews playing NCAA
kid game man is better than we fucking.
Game. Man, find the 100th best NCAA
player and they're going to. But if you wouldn't have an

(01:43:42):
adult, do it. Shelton.
Shelton is my first, first, second, third, 4th and 5th
choice to be the game manager. Got Sheldon is my stats child I
love. Him could make it tonight, but.
Back to the question though, what Curtis said and what Curtis
said and and Lavar just put it up as well.
I never paid attention, but JM U's deep defensive coordinator

(01:44:05):
would be a good hire. But just thinking about things
like logically now, it's like ifsome of these people were the
hire, why wouldn't they be there?
Like if Jeff Collins was the guywe're trying to get portal
people in, why is he not there if Lyle him?
Why? Why have we done so good with
the ease in this transfer portalcycle, right?

(01:44:27):
So it's not so much that I thinkof like what I want.
Or what I think is good. I'm just thinking like what it
could be. I'm trying to I'm trying to play
clue. You know what I'm saying?
I'm trying to do this and I justwant y'all to like, he said.
Make the hire and it be good. What if money were not an object
and we could hire anyone that may be available here in this

(01:44:49):
offseason because of a firing? I'm just saying Brent Venables
is right there. After he just lost the Navy.
But he ain't. He's still coaching, though.
Yes, he's still a great defensive coordinator.
Yeah, he's a good defensive coordinator, though.
He just, I don't think he's a good head coach.
He's Oklahoma. He's not a shattered.
He's he's been a he's been shattered after leaving Dabo

(01:45:12):
Swing. I I just no, I don't, I don't
think Venables. I mean, if we're if we're
fantasy booking, we got all the money in the world.
Fucking Nick Saban's on college.I mean, you know, so get.
Out of a job to pay your people?As a coordinator, let's go.
Let's go get. Saban's Yeah.
Michael Vick is a coach, is a hit, Yeah.

(01:45:33):
Michael Vick is a coach at NorthNorfolk State.
Yeah. Deshawn.
Jackson Deshawn Jackson is coaching.
Bill Belichick is coaching in college.
Like what is going on right now?This is crazy.
I don't know. By the way, what's?
Going on with Belichick, I have no clue how to feel about it
because I don't think he's goingto be a good head coach at a

(01:45:54):
college like situation, but he still will have more money than
anything that I think we've encountered in the ACC ever.
So they're really investing in the program and I can't wait to
see it fall flat on its fucking face.
As fuck UNC. Yeah, but but I mean, what about

(01:46:18):
Bam Bam Cam? Where's Cam Chancellor at?
Don't you think he could come inand do something?
That ain't that ain't Cam steel.That ain't I don't think that's
cams Moi think Cam is just enjoying enjoying life.
So I mean cam's running. A restaurant.
Yeah, Cam's enjoying life, man. Cam's got.

(01:46:38):
Some people tried that too, and if you've been to Blacksburg,
you know that didn't work out very.
Well, hey, but I'm. Going to picture you in a
second. I'm old, I'm old.
Light up Tib's ass real quick, Tib.
You don't know about Oklahoma culture football, because Bob
Stoops was the fucking defensivecoordinator of Florida in the
90s when they lit fucking peopleup.
When he got to Oklahoma in the early 2000s, Oklahoma was a
fucking defensive fucking beast.They held fucking Florida State

(01:47:02):
to two points in the national championship games.
Guess what? The only way you score points is
2 points is if you sacked the fucking quarterback in the end
zone. They did have offensive culture
there. Over the last 25 years it has
transitioned to an offensive culture.
Listen, don't, don't fuck aroundwith me about fucking football
history because I follow. Hey, real, real interesting.

(01:47:24):
Since Bob Stoops retired, Oklahoma's won two bowl games
and 1:00. Of them did Coach Bob Stoops 1,
Coach Bob Stoops the rest, Yeah.And they lost the day to the
Navy. But by the way, they did the
right thing. You go for two at the end of the
game in the bowl game, you try to win the motherfucker.
Hey, Chris, because you're down in the 75 and.
And this is a topic I did not plan on bringing up tonight, but

(01:47:45):
what has been that feeling with Mike taking the Norfolk State
job down there, man, Because it's you live in.
It and. Is an icon down there.
Yeah, well, Mike's not just an icon down here, Mike's an icon
nationally. I think that's one of the the
best redemptive stories anybody could ever talk about.
But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of torn in in the midst of it because my

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daughter goes to Norfolk State and she's been on my ass for not
having any Norfolk State gear. And so I had to go buy stuff for
Christmas just at Norfolk State.But it's a great opportunity for
him and to get a lot of the kids.
Y'all know, every kid is thinking, hey, I should go play

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big time power for football. And a lot of kids have had
Norfolk State on the back burner.
We're like, OK, if I don't get there, then I'm going to end up
going to Norfolk State. Well, that's going to shift
because they're going to have toget their one.
I can still think they're going to be kids that are going to
send gold P4 schools and becausethey're still going to love

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that, but you're still going to get a higher grade talent ball
player, especially with ODU herein this last cycle, not taking
1757 kid yeah, you, but you're following.
So I think it's it's huge in thearea.
The impact is great. Everybody's excited and he's
he's going to get an opportunity.
He's going to get some time. What?

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What? Do you think about what do you
think? Because my thoughts on it was,
man, why didn't Tech bring them on?
But it's great for Norfolk State.
It's great for the 757. I'm really excited about him
going in there. Yeah, but.
And he still loves Virginia Tech, right?
He still loves Virginia Tech. So, yeah, he still loves Tech.
Could this be sort of a farm, a farming program to where he he's

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recruiting, developing talent. He he's going to keep, he's
going to want to win his games. But where he could funnel some
talent to Virginia Tech out of the 757 after getting some
snacks? Well, we got, we got, we got a
big enough farm system in the 757 that because of pride,
because of the relationships with Fontelle Mines and JC and
all these guys, we got enough people that get the best players

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out of here. So it's not going to take for
Mike A, I'm going to store a kidover here and I'm going to give
him, Nah, there's enough, there's enough talent to go
around. You know, with the new thing,
with the JUCO guys going, I feelbad for a kid that's in high
school right now. I'm going to be totally honest
with you because unless you're atop a top tier kid, that's
probably going to turn around and end up being a problem

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because because people have to win.
OK, So they'll go get the best first, second or third best JUCO
player, bring him into play for a year or two and then turn
around and get and you got 2003 thousand kids jumping in a
portal. That high school kid is going to
have to come in and be elite andhaving that whole year.
They're going to have to come inand know they're going to be

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they're going to red shirt, you know, and and it doesn't matter
because they won't have the timeto be better than a guy who's
been on even a JUCO training table to be able to come and
outperform him. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, the
big, the biggest thing for most kids when they sit, man, is they
just ain't, they ain't big. They haven't been eating enough
at home. Mom and daddy ain't been able to

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feed them enough. You can get fun in to play
Division One football. That is the big thing you're
dealing with. So.
So let's and then. Tackle this a little bit too
because you know, Maddie, you brought up Cam Chancellor.
What I see is that you're going to see some kids like Cam
because in today's game, Cam would not have gotten AP4 ride,

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let's be honest. Zero chance.
Yeah, zero chance in. Today's game, he would not have
gotten AP4 ride. You're going to see guys like
that get a chance at a Norfolk State and then when they
develop, they going to take thatbig jump.
There you go, that's it. Kim also wouldn't have been as
overlooked. Now recruiting's a lot different
recruiting services. That is fair, but I'm saying

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you're not going to see a a a a 2 1/2 star quarterback out of
high school get a get AP4 look. Well, well, that's, that's kind
of what I said earlier, right? I mean, that's kind of exactly
what I said. That's what I'm saying.
That's why I wanted to piggybackon that and kind of circle back
to that point relative to the VIX situation.
It's harder for the high schoolers to get in and actually

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get into a good program now because of the transfer portal.
And like I was saying earlier, why would you roll the dice?
Why when you can go out and get a known quantity?
When? You can actually see how they
perform on a level like this before.
Yeah, there's going to be these fucking superstars that you go
out and you swing on. But everything has changed

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because of me and I on the transfer portal.
And I'm not saying it's bad. Honestly, I think it gives us an
advantage over a lot of programsbecause we still have like a top
30 NIL. We're still in a good position
to where we can go out and we can swing and we can Moneyball
and we can put a good team together out of nowhere.
Yes, we can. So it's not necessarily bad, it
just sucks for these high schoolers.

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Yeah, High school program right now.
It's, it's, it's crazy right nowfor high school kids just trying
to get recruited. One of my, my good friends, his
son is going to ECU as a linebacker coming out of
Huntsville, AL. So it, it's just watching him go
through that, the, the recruiting.
Yeah, watching him go through the recruiting process and, you

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know, listening to his stories and things like that, it's
crazy. And it takes a lot of work for a
high school kid that has talent to get to the next level because
of the transfer portal and how many people are in it and things
like that. But I'm have to hop out for you
guys in just a minute. I did want to say something,
though, before I get out of herebecause I've seen a couple
people talking about it in the chat and just reiterating on it.

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Like Mike Vick, that's my guy. Like that's when somebody says
like, who is your heroes even onand off the court, like Mike
Victoria and Kobe is, is that's my heroes.
And not just because of what they did on the court is because
they made mistakes and they cameback from a different way, you
know what I'm saying? And they addressed those issues
and and got better from them. But when we're just talking

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football and not, you know, the love of a of a player or what
he's done on the field, VirginiaTech couldn't.
Like I've seen people keep saying Virginia Tech couldn't
bring Michael Vick in and make him a coach.
I mean, they could, but if it fails, where does he go from
there? You know, it's kind of the same
thing of like, I feel so bad forJay Ham because Jay Ham had 0

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experience and he got thrown into being a defensive
coordinator and we fucking ate him up and he'll never be able
to coach up Virginia Tech again because because of what he did
his first stint. So what if Mike Vick comes in,
he tries to help with the quarterbacks or does something
to some extent with zero coaching experience and it turns
out horrible and then like you've ruined the legend.

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Nobody wants to see that. So he has to go that route of
feel how you want to feel about Dionne.
I feel like Dionne talks too much sometime, but I got to give
Dionne his credit. Dionne went that route.
He went to Jackson State, he said I'm going to go and get the
best. He got Travis Hunter and he
turned Travis Hunter into a Heisman Trophy winner.

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You know, I got to give Dean that credit.
I'm not saying Mike Vick will dothat, but he did open eyes for
people to give, you know, formerathletes a chance.
Because when you have somebody like them or Michael Vick or
even Deshaun Jackson, I don't know how where it goes.
But I'm saying in the old style of football, In the old style of
football, they probably wouldn'thave gave them chance.

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And you got other people coaching too.
We got other. Players coaching Georgia.
You got any George out? There any Georgians coaching
doing a good job at at TennesseeState.
So it things are changing. You know what I'm saying?
And I, and I'm glad to see it, but I don't want to not say
nobody, nobody said, oh, go ahead, go ahead.

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But to your point about Michael Vick, everybody, because I've
seen some of these hate commentstoo, and I want to punch him in
the face, but I'm not. I'm going to the Bugs Bunny and
kiss him on the cheek. But if you haven't read his
book, then I suggest you do so before you have any judgments
about that man. He served his time, he did what
he he had to do. He's admitted to his wrongs and

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hit in his book. It's very clearly laid out about
the man that he is now. So for all the Michael Vick
hate, get the fuck out of here. That boy from the 757.
Him and Allen Iverson changed both the perspective sports.
They both came from Virginia andput some respect on that man's
name. Because of what he's done.
Michael Vick, because he's what he's done afterwards, has done

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more for animal advocacy and actually advancing taking care
of animals than almost anyone else in existence.
So fuck all y'all but also people don't.
Understand the. Cultural.
Nation in which these things arefostered.
It's a there's a there's a wholebunch behind it.
So before you have a stupid opinion online like I do often,

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try to at least read into it a little bit.
Michael Vick is a good. Man, that'll take you down a
whole another. Rabbit, you know, I've always
wanted to sit down with Dwight and tell them, Zach, how I feel
about it. Most people won't understand it.

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Some people will understand it. But you.
Know yeah, yeah, that's a totally.
Different conversation. I had a conversation with some
true animal lovers about that situation and they probably
think I'm the Antichrist or something because of what I said
about a couple of different things that was going on.

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And this was right in the middleof it.
Because I can't believe you support him during this.
And I'm like man, I didn't see some stuff where I come from.
I'm just tell you like y'all seepeople going out and killing
elephants and Jaguars and stuff like that.
Like that stuff look weird to me.
But when I see anyway, I ain't going to get on that tonight,
y'all. I got to get off here.
I love y'all. But don't have a good one man

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enjoy which wife. Man, win some money for me.
Man, I'm about to go bet on somegames.
Hell. Yeah, you think?
Something about Michael? Vick, Something about Michael
Vick that doesn't ever get brought up that I like that
people need to realize is this man, he could have filed Chapter

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7 bankruptcy and not paid shit. Like he would have been off the
hook. Like you could have liquidated
his assets. He wouldn't have owed any money.
He chose to file to to pay his debts back completely.
All of my my. Millions of dollars.
He chose to pay it back. Character well.
I mean, again, because I grew upin Blacksburg, he's he's a lot

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different to me. Kids couldn't afford school
clothes before he showed up in Blacksburg.
Yep, we were automatic ran through this town because of
Michael Vick. We were I love Michael or and I
love my dogs, man, I love it I. Mean Michael Michael Vick.
I mean, my parents are more affluent.
A lot of my friends parents are more affluent only because the

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area became more profitable and that only happened on the legs
of Michael Vick and so he will always be hero to me.
You didn't even need to try here.
You could just sit on real estate forever and you'd be rich
in Blacksburg. It was worth fucking dirt.
I love this entire thing and I, I made a whole thing about it.
Like it's everyone in Blacksburgjust like, Oh no, we need to

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stay this little small town and they idealized like the 19
fucking 50s when no one wanted to fucking live here.
It's ridiculous. There is a huge contingent in
this town that wants to hold theentire goddamn fucking town back
all the time, and it's ridiculous.
And hey, that's just Jeremy. Blacksburg on the On the rocks,

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ladies. And gentlemen, rocks, we just.
Miss that? Often, so they might need to go
and get some experience under his belt because there's a
difference between being a high level player and being able to
coach on a high level. It's two different, two
different things. Get some experience and then I
would love to see him again. Honestly, that would make my

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heart sing. I would.
Love to, it's also a different thing, but if shame when it came
here 1st and failed he'd have been fucked too.
Well, there's play. There's play left, and there's
still a Game of Thrones redemption arc for him.
The banished son returns to claim the King's throne.
There's still that arc. For shame.
I don't know we. Know how Chris feels?

(02:00:19):
About Shane, we know. How Chris feels about Shane
Beamer that. Whole fantasy about Shane on
your own, yeah. But I guess, I guess from
somebody, you know, like me, I guess, and maybe this is stupid,
maybe it's ignorant. I just want somebody who has to
care about it. Like I feel like Shane would
have to care about it because it's his.

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Dad, I think. I mean, I think.
Like that, I want somebody who. Cares.
I feel like pride has to care about no.
Prep no pride care about it? Don't.
Care he don't. He don't care about it.
It is. This was his bump.
Yeah, this, this, this next yearis he's got to make, he's got to
make a stride. He he had a shirt out last year

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3. I got it.
Oh, hold on. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey. Man, that, that shirt is
everything, you know what I'm saying?
And, and I'm and I'm a gearhoundand that's the one shirt that I
don't have. It's two shirts I don't.
Have. I don't have that I've.
Been dying to get but that three, that 37 question mark
one, there you go. Go and go and show it.

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That's huge That that question. Yeah, that that question mark
shirt was supposed to be double digit wins.
Now he's got he's got to be to the point.
Whatever slogan they come in this year, it's got to be about
getting to 8-9 wins. You know what I'm saying?
It's a six shirt still. Oh, it's still high.

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Yeah. And so, so that's that's, that's
you. That's that's.
That's. That's the number, so you're.
Saying dove dove emojis in the chat.
So at at best it's going to be 377 at this point.
Yeah, it's going to be 377. Yeah, yeah, it's 377.
But this this year is huge. This everything was pointing
towards, you know, we thought 23but the every them coming back,

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we had this high expectation of everybody was going to come back
and tick up. But I'm going to be told on.
To you I. I think only a few guys ticked
up to the next level like we talked about, yeah.
You guys picked up? Yeah, they didn't.
Yeah, right. Yeah.

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So base all ticked up. APR ticked up, I think.
Yeah, that's that, that's it forme.
That that took that next step. That took the next step.
You know what I'm saying? Jay Lane was hurt.
You know Jim SPTI just got to say Pratt cares about it.

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It's the only thing that get himout of Penn State.
No, a few extra $1,000,000 a year will also get him out of
Penn State. Let's not like.
So we can say that there. Was probably only a handful.
Of jobs, probably. Would have taken out of Penn
State. Let's let's be honest, there was
a handful of jobs probably have taken out of Penn State so.
This is one of SO. He cares, but he.

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Would not point if he didn't give a shit.
Exactly. Oh yeah.
Because hold on. Because this is going to go
back, you're right. The last guy, because the last
guy gave a shit. He was hired about three to four
people. Woodson ticked up.
Oh yeah, Woodson. Yeah, Woodson definitely ticked
up. Yeah, Woodson took some, but
Woodson was coming. Let's talk about Jayden Keller.

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Jayden Keller finally took the step we were expecting.
It's probably a year too late game, six year later than we
wanted it to be. But I think it came with him
having but that that's when him coming having a true Mike
Brumfield, even though he may have been undersized, he was
still a true Mike to kind of show him.
And they've done that here. Just from what I've seen,
canteen was the guy that kind ofget Monsieur and strong to the

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point you can feel they were good out there.
That's why they kind of brought these these cornerbacks in to
kind of, you know, mentor Lovett, mentor the Josh Clarkson
and and the Christian Williamsonand things like that to mentor a
Curettic. So that's what's going to end up
happening. The kid from ECU is a film.
How? Dude, that dude.
Yeah, right. He is the He is the new canteen.

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Right. So the, the the only, the only
thing we've never had here is a true might.
The only problem is he gets there January, he gets there
January 19th. When he gets there, you're going
to you're going to have to kind of do what Dabo did with Sammy
Brown and you're going to have to live with some of the
mistakes. You're going to have to live
with it, play Keller, play Clatter Bomb and live with some

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of the mistakes. It's so it's, it's going to be,
it's going to be very much. Dax Hollyfield, 2018.
Come on, you have to live with. A little bit of that.
You've got to live with a littlebit for the upside of what he
going to end up be. But then you butter Noah
Chambers beside him. Noah, Noah Chambers being, you
know, the kind of Fred Warner type kind of kid having that,
doing that, you know, my heart goes out to my dude, you know,

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and everybody keep praying for my man Gabe.
Gabe, Gabe is your extra. He's your extra recruit in 26
because he'll be back. He'll be back then motivated
bigger, stronger, faster. And that's what's going to
happen then. So that that's that's the
biggest thing. You're up the middle is going to
be you're going to have a fall off somewhat, but I still think

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Gilliam is going to be fine. Copeland, Copeland going to come
back healthy. Gerard Johnson is going to come
in there and be able to play. You're going to have you're
going to have hand Chuck be ableto play on the outside.
You're going to get some guys like that.
Ace and Stevens is going to be. Dandy's going to be good.
Ace and Stevens has. Has looked good.
Man, if he can ramp that up to 40 snaps a game.

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Yeah, but the thing about it is you're going to be able to have
guys, you know, the since the sincere kid.
Yeah, I'm tampering. They said the portal, You know,
I would love him to come here and, you know, and and be able
to match up with him and him andhim and Ace and, you know,
Burgos on the other side and just.
And then Dandy. I'm just looking at it like
that. So.
Chris, everybody, everybody elsetampering you might as.

(02:06:11):
Well, do it. Hey man, I'm on the Darius great
tampering deal because I need asmany offensive lines as.
I can get, man. Hey, and why are we tampering?
Why are we tampering? Kyle Altuner, brother.
Oh. Baby, come on home.
Baby, come on. Home.
The crib is the crib, baby. Let's do this.
Got me shit. They should get everybody else.

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Also, Tib Tib brought up a really good point earlier.
Yeah, absolutely calls out dogs.Yes, he does.
Overton. Overton is going to be him.
Good call Bag on him at law. Oh man, Bags Bags is on fire.
Yeah, Bags is on fire tonight. Yeah, I forgot about I forgot
about Aaron Donald 2 point O the.

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The only thing in the comment section?
James Gilmore. Y'all know anything about
Priester from Hampton? I know he follows Anthony
Poindexter on Twitter. And he's not the only one.
Yeah, he's not the only one. So I, I, he's.
Not the only one. Yeah, I, I just think that we're
going to, we're going to continue to be a school that

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we're going to prize, going to live in that in that high school
area. And I think if we do get API,
think it's going to be able to help us get some of those
Pennsylvania recruits, get some of those New Jersey recruits,
still stay solid in, in Virginiabecause I think we got a good,
we, we boarded, we batten down the hatches.
Nobody's coming in here getting all the guys.
And we can go hit the barreling Catholics as hard as we have,

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and even harder now. Right, we can go get those cats.
So I, I definitely think that that's going going to be good.
I I, you know, y'all were sayingabout Poindex.
I, he was the one guy that when we were, when we were recruiting
and he was the only guy that talked to us.
He was the only guy that went totalked to us.
We went to Penn State and and itwas really a disappointing trip
for the kid because we had did that time that's we had did a

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trip. We went we came to tech, then we
went to Pittsburgh and we and wedid West Virginia.
Then we did we went went up to Ohio to see my my in laws and we
came and did Pittsburgh and we thought Penn State was going to
be the cream of the crop and it was highly disappointing.
Love James Franklin didn't talk to the wide receiver coach and

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Anthony Poindex was the only onethat sat there and talked to me
and my wife the whole time. Good, good coach, good coach,
good guy, solid guy. When we came back up there
because the kid wasn't going to go back, he was like, hey, I'm
not going going back up here fornothing.
They I mean, it was so bad. We, we went to the junior day
kind of like our hokey, like our, our hokey fest where the,

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the class, the 20, I think at that time it was a 22 class, 23
class. They were all coming.
And then you had your high, highno liable 23 guys.
And when Key went there, he, youknow, he was like, man, I, I
don't even like it. And then matter of fact, the
wide receiver coach came down inthe hotel.
He was walking past us and he was like yeah, I'm about to go

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holler at one of my buddies and didn't even talk to Keith.
He said OK well that kind of ends the deal for me.
I'm not coming back up here Yeahand and yeah so you know they
they kind of were out but but point that's to talk to us the
whole time was very personable. Good, good guy.
Remember this when we came back up for the Penn State, Ohio
State game? We don't mean we went there that

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time because we wanted to see Marvin Harris in the real life.
I ain't gonna lie to you. That's what I wanted.
Real quick, follow this coaching.
Staff. This coaching staff since day
one when they decided to recruitthe portal because the first
year it was many portal guys, which I think we all said was
you lay the culture, whoever's here, if you're good enough to
play, you play. They have hit the portal pretty

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fun good. They are good at actually
analyzing guys and saying that guy fits, that guy fits, that
guy fits. Thank you for bringing that up.
But y'all, what else is going tohappen because the the move
looks like Poindexter. Poindexter is the guy at safety
and he's going to be the DC. Go ahead.

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Put the one James put up. James is always on here with us.
It does that happen? Yes, yes.
I think right now you're, he's like auditioning for this,
right? Because he's, he's leading the
bowl prep and he's he's coachingit in the bowl.
So there would be some sort of proof in the pudding, so to

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speak, on that one. Yes.
That that's, you know, we talkedabout as far as coaching
changes, you know, Ferg being the in house hired that we're
comfortable with. If AP is the guy, ADB at
linebackers is the only other inhouse hire that I'm good with.
Absolutely, Absolutely. And I guess I mean, there have
been talked or people brought itup, I guess out of, you know,

(02:10:55):
all season boredom or whatever. But JSJ is don't have a job and
he's great with high school recruiting and DNS.
Would they would they put our guy JC just on defensive tackles
and bring this guy in for the edges and the in home high
school recruiting Jeremy don't laugh at.

(02:11:17):
Edging though is AP bringing anybody with him because you're
breaking this with. The guy and.
Getting well, Those conversations are happening,
Dave. Well, I, I'm just I, I just
think it's kind of silly. I know nothing.
We're not in a position, I don'tknow, a.
Damn thing I'm talking about. Pride.
Pride is not in a. Position good for Maddie.
Pride is not in a position to promote from within.

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Why? Not you're not wrong.
Because he's not wrong, because nobody under him would have been
fostered. Well, now, that doesn't mean
that somebody down there doesn'tdeserve it.
I've been passed over a lot of times for positions that I
thought that I really earned anddeserved.
But the the company didn't need it at the time.
They needed some outside influence to come in and change

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things around a little bit. So that doesn't mean that
anybody below there doesn't deserve it or they couldn't do
the job. Pry in.
This may be his last season. If he doesn't have a winning one
is not in a position to promote from within on a 500 team.
You have to bring in somebody from the outside.
All right, so let me let me throw this action because
because what we're doing here, what we're doing here, right?

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So if you bring in an APA PS coaches safety, that means
Pearson's probably taking a off the field roll again.
So you're still back in a situation where you've got one
guy that pretty much is a in house hireright because Pearson
outside of his credentials that he didn't personally attained,
he he wasn't a coach before he took this off field role, right.

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So I would be good with the DB stepping into that role when you
got somebody like AP stepping into safeties and Prelo taking
more of an off the field or at least a secondary type position
role within this organization because you're trading one for
the other. Well, I don't mind guys stepping
up in ancillary roles. I I don't mind assistant coaches

(02:13:04):
being promoted from within. I think with the DC though, I
think it has to be an outside hire.
Oh, yeah, yeah. You saying, you saying the
coordinator for these? Yeah, You saying for the
coordinators, the guy, Yeah. OK, but I just understood you
there, Maddie. Yeah.
Ain't no fucking way we hire in internal for that for that.
No. Last time we do that in the
short term. Right.

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And and, and, and on the same note, you already had a world
class strength and conditioning guy in the building before we
brought in Deej. I love Deej is a good guy, but
Jared Ferguson was a world class.
He already had everything in there and I think he's going to
change the culture with the strength and condition.
I mean, I was cracking up when Icracked up, when, you know, I

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was talking to Dan, I was talking to the kid, you know,
first day, you know, we ain't got no music.
We came to work. I love that about Ferguson.
So I love Coach Ferguson, I love, you know, I love the old
staff. But I think that higher within
changes the culture. I think it changes the culture.
Yeah, culture is big and I think, you know, you talk about
the music. I mean, there, there's something
to that. I think Ferg is going to bring

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an edge to strength and conditioning that we haven't
seen. And we talked about it a few
weeks back, like my day, you hadto be fucking afraid of your
strength and the conditioning coach.
You did not want to see that motherfucker walk in the
building you. You wanted to have a a healthy
fear of that person because he you know that he's going to push
you to your absolute fucking edge.

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Absolutely. So I, I, I, I like, I think, I
think getting AP will be three home runs.
And I just think you're going tohave to do what they didn't want
to do before and that's go play the young guys.
There's, there's some younger this, this 25 class is amazing.

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You know, I've, I've had it on record.
I damn, they got everything I wanted for Christmas.
You know, I got, I got the Loach, I got, you know, out and
going to Penn State was the onlything that I didn't get on my
wish list. But my number one thing on my
card was Jeffrey Overton, juniorand Lord, you know, you know, I
had to ask the kid how he was doing and, you know, he said

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little Jeff was out there actingup doing bowl practices.
So I'm excited about him. So yeah, I think they're going
to have to play those young kidsand, and just let let the tips
fall where they may. They're going to either love it
here or want to stay here. But you're going to have to play
them because we saw every time we saw a young kid play last
year, they showed out. They showed out.

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And let's talk about how all allthese fucking ranking systems
punished Overton for for what was going on with Pops, because
that was a fucked up situation. Not even his dad or his uncle.
I was confused as the article. I, I don't give a damn what it
was. I I am not the only person in

(02:15:56):
this rating system thing that I'm in love with is Kobe
Crawford. Everybody else I'm not really a
fan of because I watched it happen to Jeffrey Overton
Junior, I watched it happen to Chance Wiggins.
I watched it happen to Garage Johnson.
Allen Adams. Hey man, I don't, you know.

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Yeah. Hey, you happen.
Hey. We like the Matthews, Michael.
Mad Brett. Platterball.
I seen kids drop just because they came here, not because they
couldn't and it would be like they didn't even do nothing on
the field. But for Jeff to be down 3334 in
the state, I'm telling you, I'm,I'm selfish.
I was glad he was down there so folks who could forget about

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him. So when we got him, they would
stop forgetting about, But he was probably, he's a top 3-4
player in the state of Virginia hands down.
Absolutely. That dude, That dude right there
alone, I can say it. He's the only kid that kept my
kid from being a Gatorade playerof the year.
He was the only kid to stop my kid from being Gatorade player

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of the year. That's how good Jeff is.
That's how amazing. Record-breaking receiver.
Come on, man. Keenan Adams, right, 22 state
records and Jeffrey Olmans is the tag on Gatorade Player.
Of the year, that's how good. Jeff is Jeff is a monster, man.
Jeff is a monster. Hey, so let let's talk about
because we talked a little bit about like the shuffling and and

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we talked about a little bit on defense.
Is there some shuffling that could happen on the offensive
side of the ball from a coachingstandpoint?
And what would that look like? I don't.
I don't. Well, I think you made your
biggest move when you got the old line coach, I think.
I think the one thing is tight ends, I like them.
I love keeping Brent Davis on the on the set.
I love him. I think getting Stu to just

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focus on special teams because there was a point in time of
season Stu was not my best friend during the season.
I was I was really upset when I was really upset with Coach
Hope. I'll be honest with you.
Come on. Champ, I mean, there was a game
that I can name in every game there was a problem.
You know, we don't want to go back to 00, you know what I'm

(02:18:05):
saying? We don't want to talk about
getting a black punt against Marshall.
We want to talk about having 2 numbers the same again and not
getting called for it. Come on man.
Miami. Hey, but that's my dog.
I love Sue, but hey, Sue was on Sue was on the fence, but you
know, Sue did some things to make make things come back, you
know, just keep. Yeah, that that, that that block
kick for a touchdown in the Clemson game was pretty crazy.

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And he got away with, he got away with a lot of murder
because of that. I mean.
He's always had all all all world kicker, punter and return.
I mean, I mean still. He develops his his specialist.
I'll give. Him that I mean he develops.
It and you see everything happen.
I think the question goes is if Brent, David, because you said

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coach Davis at tight end, Chris.I like him now.
Because remember now NCAA's blowing the fuck up.
It's not the way we grew up withit in all of us.
I know we I'm we're all in this same about 10 years span.
Maddie, I know you're in your mid 30s, so we're all in this
about 10 years span. Is if.
Stu Holt literally gets named special teams coordinator.

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He could be special teams coordinator but never go on the
road as a one of the 11. You all know that, right?
Right, OK. You know that like he could be
the special teams coordinator but but not be assigned to one
of the guys who goes on the road.
That shit can happen nowadays. Like you can have an offensive,
a defensive coordinator and thennever go on the road to be a

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recruiter. Yeah.
OK. Like because, because vice
versa. Everything is shaped now in the
NCAA. You don't have to have yet a
doors open back there. If y'all didn't notice, you see
my hats. It's all good.
OK, Speaking of backgrounds, I have to address this before it
bursts out of my chest like an alien.
Matty B, you have more Ghostbuster like memorabilia in

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your background than anyone I'veever seen and I fucking love it
because I love Ghostbusters morethan fucking anything.
The first Ghostbusters I think is probably my favorite film of
all time. It's, it's mine as well.
And yes, I, it is a, it is a thing.
Once I made it up, I grew up poor.
I grew up in Blacksburg, VA. I mean, we, I grew up in a

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trailer park by Ramble Ridge Rd.I don't know if you guys know
where that is in black by the airfield.
But before those townhouses were, there was a trailer park.
And so I was poor. So the second I got enough
money, I decided I was going to make my own thing.
So I built my own Proton pack. I have my, my flight suit back
there and I use that. I go out, we raise money.

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Last year we did about $25,000 for the for the kids.
So yeah, Ghostbusters is a big thing for me, so thank you for
nothing. Fuck yeah, man.
Yeah, dude. Come on, man.
Hey. We're talking about position
shuffling maybe? Tim, that is my palace, also
known as my man cave. Witness.

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Witness. Yeah, also I have the picture of
me in the background. Good thing we're not past
January 20th. There might be a drone strike
coming in. That's.
Right. Yeah, Dan, what you got?
Quarterback Coach. Question mark, question mark.
Hey, you know, you know, we we had addressed that a little bit
on here. We had talked about all right,

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so if we're if we're if we're shuffling offensive side of the
ball, are you shuffling Bowen back to tight ends and are you
bringing in a QB coach? If you're if you're making Stew
Holtz, your full time special teams coordinator, taking a
position group away from him? Is that what you do?
I think I know what Chris is going to say and Chris is going
to say I don't want a tight end coach calling plays.

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I want my OC focus on the offense, OK?
That's what I want my OC doing. But you have a quarterback
coach. You have one.
Brian Crist is your quarterback coach.
And and if anyone doubts that Brian Crist can coach
quarterbacks, his son plays at West Virginia.
Ham and. Sidney, baby.
Yeah, he's spotless. Baby.

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You know what I'm saying? So let's let's let's get that
out the way. I, I just think the, the kid
said something that that the staff is going to have to do and
it's going to be across the board.
You're going to have to kick somebody.
You got to cuss somebody out. We've got this culture we want

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this is home. But I, I don't know about y'all,
I got cussed out of my home as akid.
I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I did not love my
parents any less than, you know,anybody else that's going to
they're going to have to turn the heat up in some areas to
challenge some kids and be able to do some certain things and
they and they going to have to grow up and man up on some on

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certain things that make things happen.
So Brian, Chris is your quarterback coach.
I do want I I want, I want BrentDavis in the building.
I love what he brings, especially with the run game and
the different things we can throw into the run game.
I want my OC focusing on the theone thing, the one thing Bowen
said to me in a recruiting, he said, I'm going to get you to

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rock and I just need him to get guys to rock.
But I believe if you can protectit, and I, I think I said this
to Dan, if you can protect it, then you can run it.
And if you can run it, then you can play action it.
And if you can play action it, you get one-on-one coverage.
If you get one-on-one coverage, we win.
That's it. This is why.

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This is why. This is why Matt Moore is
pivotal. Yep.
Yes, yes. I mean, if you can do that, if
you. Can if that's the higher that
that hits, then that's going to change the trajectory of what
this. Program but but but hold on real
quick. Every single person in here
Brian Siegler is Matt Moore big nut hire.

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Yeah. Oh yeah.
Jeremy, Big nut hire. Yes.
Chris. I'll throw it on the table.
Dan. Massive nuts.
Maddie. No.
I I but no. No, give it to me, Maddie.
No, let it be sad. Give it to me.
Maddie, go ahead. I'm not saying no because he's

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terrible. I'm not saying no because he's a
bad hire. I'm saying no, because how great
did West Virginia do last year? West Virginia The only thing
good about that offense was thatoffensive line that.
Offensive. Line OK, OK, well, that's fine.
All I'm saying is it's not like we're bringing in Alabama's
online coach. We're not bringing it.
You know, I always, I always take it as a win.

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Anytime we can take anything from West Virginia, that's a win
to me. I, I love that, but I don't know
that. It's like, I don't know, I'm not
swinging my nuts on it. I'm not going to the bar and,
and being like, oh, we just signed Matt.
More like nobody even knows who that guy is outside of that
region. Like, I don't know, I, I, we'll
see. We'll see what it is.
You can find me at PK's. Hey, the only other guy would

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have taken over Matt Moore was Marcus Johnson.
As as far as guys that are available and reasonable in
terms of where we are as a program, right?
I you talk about Alabama, we're we're not going to go and eat
nuts off Alabama State. I just say you got to show
something to me at this point. I I get that point.
I'm saying of the guys that weregoing to be available, Matt
Moore and Marcus Johnson were one A1B and we got.

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One A1. BI don't think our offensive
line was that bad last year besides #70 Parker Clements, to
be honest with you, I think if that right edge is is secure, I
don't think it's that terrible. Look at the pass pro outside of
Chaplain and Moore. Outside of Chaplain and Moore,
yeah man, I know new. I mean, we'll see.
We'll see how much of that's coaching, how much of that's
athletes. I, I'm OK with the hire.

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I'm good with it. I'm pass Pro is a problem, man.
I'm not right with such a fucking problem.
Now if if we if we're just talking about can we run the
football? We did an OK job running the
football. Now Sheldon's going to bring up
the point that yards before contact was still.
Pretty bad. When you have basial toot and
breaking a ton of fucking tackles that makes your

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offensive line look a whole lot better.
And if he can break a tackle that gets him to the second
level, he is deadly. I mean, we looked at, we saw a
lot of his big runs. Once he got to the second level,
once a linebacker had to try to hit him and he was bouncing on,
he was gone. Yeah, they didn't want, they

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didn't want to fight with him. So like I said, if you get this
offensive line to be a better, just better athletes and better
coach, and then you turn around and you got guys, you know, not
getting hit 4 yards, they're down the field and going there,
that just changes the whole dynamic of the offense you get.
To the second level without getting contacted first, you get
a guy to the second level without getting contacted,

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versus you have to get contactedand then breaking it.
That's when you're going to get into something.
Well, here's the word as as muchas you want to say West Virginia
ran for more yards than we did last year.
They gave up less sacks than we did last year.
And if you look at the development between Colt
Mckibbix, Zach Frazier, I am so fucking pissed.

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And 49ers did not take Zach Frazier last year in the fucking
draft because that dude, you seehim up at Pittsburgh as a
rookie, he is fucking elite. He is an elite fucking center.
He was under Matt Moore all fourof his years at West Virginia.
That's that's when. I started looking.
He had what, 3 All Americans? Mckibbich was the second team
All American. When you start seeing that many

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guys become good, it's like, no,not going to run.
Oh, we can. We can knock Ron A.
Little no, no, you're not going to run.
Well, no, no, no. Somebody already buried Tally,
buried Ron earlier. So.
But when you're talking about a team.
So now we're pissing on his grave a little bit.
Sorry about that. We have to have our scabies.

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That's how we live, guys, and. It's how we live in society.
Yeah, but. But either way, they ran for
more yards. They gave up less sacks than us.
As you start looking at that, it's like why did they do that?
Because they did not. Go look at who they had.
They did not have the running back to capabilities of Basil 2.

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They did not. Have.
That's the. Scary part is he went for 1100
with the low average offensive line blocking.
And if you're in a year before, yeah.
Did you look at the year before with CJ Johnson?
Yeah, with CJ Donaldson the yearbefore, yeah.
CJ Donaldson was amazing, you know.

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Yeah, I tweeted. I was like, if you can get like
create those holes, Terry and Stewart is 220 lbs, you get him
running downhill. Second level brother.
I don't know if any DBS going tobe able to take him down.
That's true, but but damn what he don't have and Brian pointed
out when he went here he don't have turbo, no.

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He ain't got. It in there, but we got people
for that. He doesn't have the last year
that that Tooten had. Like Tooten could beat that guy,
and then he could be, yeah. Basil was very special.
Yeah, he is special and I'm so glad he got 1000.
Yeah, so glad he got 1000 yards.Yeah, somebody.
Yeah, somebody going to mess around and get him in the fifth

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round and be like, Oh my God, wedidn't even know who this guy
was. I hope it's Sean Payton.
I'm man. Oh God, nevermind.
We're not going. To get shit.
Man, we're not going. We're not, we're not going.
We're not going to Sean Payton. Fucking fucking Caleb Williams
put a better number up than Bo next put Caleb Williams on
Denver. Y'all be like 15 and one.
I, I feel like we're always going to get good running backs.
We're historically a good running back program.

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It's like, that's why I always feel like we should always have
good DBS and that doesn't alwayswork out, but we have great
running backs out of Virginia Tech.
You know I mean. It's not really surprising to me
that that he was able to to come.
He he's maybe since I don't knowwhat's it maybe David Wilson.
He's probably the best running back since.
Then. Herbert.

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Herbert. Oh yeah.
Lil Harbert. But he had to have Harvard,
Khalil and. Between Khalil and Dave that it
was only Kavion McMillan that went for 1000 plus.
But yeah, the time you were there, Brian, Jeremy, Dan, that
fucking 99 to like 2006 G or 2011.

(02:30:13):
Jesus fucking Christ. What a we were RBU for that
period of time. Yeah, we.
Were RBU, we were fucking DBU. We were a lot of use during.
That time period we were just. Fucking pumping it out.
Yeah, it. Was.
It was, it was so fucking good back.
There and we didn't even get thefull Brandon Orr experience.

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I mean, it could have been. It was one of those things where
it was, it was cool to come to Virginia Tech because we were
this hot new team that was just like, we had cool uniforms.
We were, we were it then and then, you know, it was played.
As a nasty brand of football, which was dead, the guys that

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weren't going to those flashy programs or that got overlooked
by those flashy programs. I honestly, you, Corey Moores,
I'm gonna go here and play four years and I'm gonna kick your
ass every fucking year. I honestly think Corey Moore and
the way he presented himself anddid the, you know what, the
Terror Dome, the entire fucking thing, I think that did so much

(02:31:17):
for us as far as our environment, as far as our
pride, as far as our culture. And I wouldn't say on the level
of like what Mike Vick did, but I think that is a close second.
Just his mentality, just his presentation.
I think that did a lot for our brand.

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I think we're like, you know, Cornell Brown and take, you
know, Dwight did before that even like the the way the brand
got built on knocking the piss out of you just to knock the
piss out of you. Yeah, yeah, Barry.
Yeah. Guys who?
Yeah, guys who lay the hammer, Ithink.
But I think you got you got someyoung guys who?

(02:31:58):
Who who see it that way? You know, the Caleb Wilson sees
it that way. You know, he wants to hit you,
you know, and the cute reticence, they want to hit you.
You know, the Dante Lovitz are going to be physical.
They're going to be nasty with you.
So I think that I think that's coming back.
I think that. Kid, we just brought in Isaiah
Cash. That motherfucker hits dude.
Yeah, so I guess, but. He's but I got to be honest with

(02:32:19):
the guys. I've seen some of these social
media pictures, Soft eyes, I don't know, soft eyes.
He looks like he looks like he listens to a lot of Drake, a lot
of Drake, a lot of Drake. You can tell this.
Is that guy a lot of that's not a.
Beast not like us. Not like us.

(02:32:41):
Another guy used to lay the wood.
Michael Strahan's a giant teddy bear, and he was a killer.
But I'm thinking about like Virginia Tech identity too.
You guys brought some great names.
But like we need like a Sam Rogers back.
Like someone like that, like a Sam Rogers, just chip on your
shoulder. Always overlooked.
I'm going to go out there and make a damn play type of kid

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like Sam Rogers was that for tech for a long time.
And. Those kids make the difference
in a ball game. Yeah, and we used to, we used to
eat on those 2 1/2 three star kids and we used to develop them
and turn them into monsters. That doesn't mean you always go
to the NFL, but if Sam Rogers walks into Blacksburg, that man
does not buy drinks. I can tell you that he is a

(02:33:23):
legend where he's from. But but that's going to happen
now because what we have to lookback is where we are now as a
society with the NCAA. It's not going to be Sam Rogers
coming out as a walk on getting the scholar.
Literally getting the Sam Rogersand Cody Grimm days are are.
Behind us or they're over, but what's going to happen is APR

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and facial tuning days there. You go look.
At throat after after the poor, they're not any good.
They're not good players. Florida shitting on fucking APR.
He comes up 16 1/2 fucking sacksthis year.
He was second in the nation. And if you look at his sack
compared to the guy, BC he were more impressive, more impressive
that game. He feasted on them.

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He didn't do shit to us. But if you start looking, that's
what it's going to be. It's going to be names.
And I'm looking at the portal like Rimac and Priester and
Brown Murray. That's what it's going to be.
Now, Maddie, that's what it's going to be guys.
It's not going to be those two and three star guys.
It's going to be the guy like Shrub Coble who went down to
Clemson and he said he's not good enough to make it here.

(02:34:28):
He's going to come up and play free safety and be the fucking
dog and he's going to fucking intercept 6 passes.
He's going to knock somebody outof a game.
That's the new, that's the new what it is the Juco's two
because what we said earlier andI can't remember who it was
because I'm I'm a few drinks deep now.
Yeah, we got. But who said like the the the

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kids? If you aren't an elite stuff
coming out of high school now, what's your best bet?
Go to JUCO for two. Years.
JUCO. JUCO.
For a couple years, get bigger, get stronger, and then go
elsewhere. It is a changing landscape of
college football and we see thatas well with the College
Football Playoff. And I know so many people had
their fucking opinions about OSM.

(02:35:11):
You shouldn't have been there and so and so shouldn't have
been there. That's fucking.
Great. Hey, hey, no.
No, no, me and me and Josh, we agree on some things.
We agreed that he agreed that they should be there.
What he's trying to say is it they shouldn't be there because,
well, this and that and the other.
But we'll, we'll leave that as it is.
I mean, at some point they're they're just going to get to the

(02:35:32):
point where whoever's got the best rosters going to make the
playoff. And fuck that shit, because if
that's the case then we're basically in the playoffs this
year. Like just being a good team
doesn't earn you a right. You still got to go out there
and win football, Win fucking games.
Winning games matters. You've got to be punished and,
you know, get given your props for the games you win and lose.
Not just how good did you build your team.

(02:35:54):
This isn't this isn't fucking Madden simulation.
Like, you got to go out there and win the game.
And I give you guys a scenario and it's OK if you roast me,
I'll take it. I'll take it 100%.
Is Virginia Tech's best route tothe playoff to leave the ACC, go
back to Group of Five and take the Boise State route.

(02:36:15):
No. Or try to make it through the
ACC. No, A coming through the ACC
because what's going to happen is every year there's going to
be this and this year was 4 Big 10 teams.
Next year it's going to be 4 SECteams, three Big 10 teams.
ACC is probably going to get 2INlikely every year because I

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think the Big 12, because they had their biggest brands leave
that foot fucks them, their biggest brands fucking left and
right. Now with the ACC, if you can go
in the ACC championship game at 10 or 11 wins, win or lose,
you're in, you're in. You saw, by the way, SMU, if
those motherfuckers just could catch a goddamn pass on the

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fucking 1 yard line, and I saw that play.
Before I. Does that not change the game
though, Chris? It.
Does boy? Jenny through the day.
That motherfucker bothers it like he's.
Me. So let's talk about two things
on this. If if we're talking about
dropping down to to G5. So there's two things first.
First is conference money. 1st Igot a piece out.

(02:37:21):
You got a piece out I. I love the germ.
We love you, love you all. Love you.
Brother, you didn't. Black out you.
Didn't black out give this time?You did it, Jerem.
He. He.
He's on the board, he's on the ACC board, so he had to leave
while we. That's right, that's right.
So 2 two things. Despite how shit ACC money is,
it's still better than any groupof five money.

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Yeah, I'm right. This.
Thing #2 is that we're not BoiseState where we have to recruit
and how we have to recruit. We're going to need money to do
that, to be competitive. We're not in Boise where we can
use a national recruiting marketand pick up the cast offs from
the power forward teams throughout the country.

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We don't. We don't have that luxury.
We still got to recruit within our footprint and our footprint
is fucking saturated. Yeah, but what doesn't have a
lot to do with. I feel like our athletic
director is not a good money raiser.
I feel like he doesn't know how to put the screws to folks.
I I don't feel like he, he's, he's really getting the money.
I mean, what's our rich? I think he's a good accounting

(02:38:24):
man. I don't know if that's he's a
good well. Who's our Who's our richest
alumni? I.
Mean Robbins. And robotic.
Kids guy. Maybe they own.
The top they who Sangria has sold a company for $8.3 billion
he's. Rich for sure, But does he care
about football? That's what I'm saying.
He was on the sideline Johnny. Get the pitch up some money.
You know the hold. On I'm bad, don't educate me,

(02:38:45):
that's OK, that's OK. I can be wrong do.
You remember the guy on the sideline?
There was a guy screaming at theopposing team player.
Just think that I don't. Remember that?
Yeah. So that's him.
That was Mayhul. Mayhul's worth about $12
billion. He's a little more.
Mayhul carries very much cares very much about that, yeah.
If I had $12 billion, Virginia Tech would have every.

(02:39:08):
I mean he paid for the the the player lands.
There. Yeah, they would have proton
packs and lots of money. No, what I'm saying is if you
have $12 million, like how much does he give it?
It's OK to care and. Scrap, I mean, he paid for the
players lounge. So I mean, yeah, he pay, he's
he's paid a lot of money. He he's, he's put his money
where his mouth is and he continues more often than more

(02:39:30):
often than anybody else that I know.
As far as deep pockets are concerned.
You can, you can slander other billionaires out there that are
in the Virginia Tech sphere, butMayhul is not one of them.
You cannot do. I'm not slandering any
billionaire. I'm broke, OK?
I'm a Ghostbuster, all right? It's a hard.
Job Hey, no, I'm just, I'm just saying if we're, if we're
talking about guys that aren't doing their part, Mayhul is not

(02:39:50):
one of those guys. Well, no, I was talking about
what Babcock not doing the sparkis he selling how much money you
should give. I was just talking about.
The Oh yeah, I I definitely think wit is not a not as much
of A people person as you would maybe want on this, but he is a
finance guy so but. But but our two money.
I think, I think he stretches money better than we we we could

(02:40:10):
otherwise have, but I don't knowif he's as good at bringing the
money in. For sure.
But if I'm account, if I'm an accounting guy, let's say I'm
not a sales guy, I'm an accounting guy, our two money
sports are in the hole. So if I'm accounting, no they're
not not the black. They're not.
So what's he doing? So first of all, no, no sport is
in the hole. The one thing Virginia Tech has

(02:40:31):
over anybody is we are pretty much any money that comes in can
be used. Well, look at Nebraska, go look
at Alabama, go look, they are they are in debt.
They are in debt. We are not in debt.
That is the. One thing again, sorry, let me
clarify before you. Make your point.
I'm not talking about money debt.
I'm talking about our team suck.So men's basketball.

(02:40:54):
So we our football team is 500. Our men's basketball program
sucks. Those are the two money sports.
If they don't do well, less money comes in.
So I'm not talking about. No, it doesn't.
That's the thing. Because the TV revenue is what
it is. We're getting $63 million
regardless. It doesn't matter.
What does matter? One factor of the money So TV.

(02:41:16):
That's the biggest factor of themoney.
The the sales inside the stuff is like 8% now.
It's not what it was 30 years ago.
What about used to be? Literally if you couldn't sell
out your stadium 30 years ago, right?
If you couldn't sell out your your basketball, you were
fucked. It ain't that way no more.
There are teams out here who cannot.
UVA is the perfect fucking example.

(02:41:37):
They can't put 50% of their fucking people in the stands.
They get the exact same amount of money as we do from the.
ACC Can I tell you something funny?
UVA gets more in donations than we do, and yet we still outpace
them in. Total.
In total revenue and we also outpace them in wins on the
football field. But so the the problem that we
have is that so looking at NILI think the problem that people

(02:42:01):
will have with wit and NIL rightnow is that they're looking at
this gutted basketball NIL situation and how how that was
handled. And then looking at a six and
six football team and saying, what do we get for that
investment? And now we've got two teams that
are mid right. So that that's what they're
saying, is that we ended up allocating more money to

(02:42:23):
football, we hamstrung our basketball team and we don't
have anything else to show for it.
But that's what, so that's what I'm trying to get to I guess.
And maybe you can educate me. I can be completely wrong about
this, but having been in sales, being in business and just kind
of understanding how the world works, typically you look for an
ROI. So if I'm giving you a certain

(02:42:45):
amount of money, I'm expecting acertain product in return.
If that product is not being returned based on the money that
I'm spending, then that money shortens over time because the
product is not there. So that's, I guess that's what
I'm coming to when it comes to, it's not just the TV deal, it's
the NIO donors, it's the donors to the program.

(02:43:07):
It's saying, hey, well, we gave,we gave you guys 500,000 last
year and we got 500 as a record.Maybe I'm maybe we'll do 275
this year. Yeah.
And if you're talking long term,yeah, you're going to see
potential declines if you're if something doesn't change,
whether it's win loss record, whether it's staff changes that

(02:43:30):
change the trajectory of how youfeel about this program long
term. So it's.
Still speculative. Right.
It's still speculative. We're still, we're still
speculating. We had this return this year,
We're speculating some additional return in the next
two to three years, right. So you still have to base it on
that kind of that kind. Of place, that should be our
overall Like if I'm with Babcock, that's my overall

(02:43:52):
message to everyone. If you come to Virginia Tech,
you're going to get a return on your investment as a kid, as a
player. If you donate to the program,
you're going to get a return on investment as a as a donor or as
an alumni. If you do ATV advertising deal,
whatever it might be. ROI should be our biggest goal
overall, and that's for kids andplayers and everybody.

(02:44:13):
If you donate your body to Virginia Tech, if you put it on
the line every day, you're goingto get a return on investment.
If you donate your money as a local business, you're Scheeler
Motomile, you're going to get your return on investment
because we're going to have a culture that expects winning.
And it's not just we're going toget our TV deal and our revenue
deal and hopefully we'll get some nil and we'll transfer you

(02:44:36):
off to another school. I think ROI should be our new
slogan. So.
I'm, I'm not going to ask this and I'm not, I'm not trying to
like call you up on. On this, Chris was about to say
something. Because because I think, because
I think you, you expected a better ROI on your on your
investment this year, except forthe goddamn quarterback got

(02:44:56):
hurt. Your ROI on your investment on
your football team is better if your quarterback doesn't get
hurt, if your own line doesn't, if your quarterback doesn't get
hurt, you win more games. We're sitting here already.
We're sitting here thinking where we played last weekend
because we would have an opportunity to do that.
We're only looking at the ROI because OK, we invested this
much in these because you because you had to pay guys and

(02:45:19):
you came back in 66 and it's like it was a down year on this
rate of return. They gave guys, gave guys money,
they paid guys more money to come back, Price said on y'all's
show. I had those guys come in and say
are you going to be a different player?
Some of them did, a lot of them didn't.

(02:45:42):
Some guys ticked up, some guys didn't, and the major guys that
you had to have tick up was the reason why you're ready to
return is down. If Kyron's healthy, your ROI is
better, right? Absolutely, if the.
If the offensive line, if the offensive line is is better
prepared and we get better, better coaching offensive line,
your ROI is better. You got less drops, your ROI is

(02:46:05):
better, right? You get better tackling.
You get better tackling in the secondary.
Your ROI is better. It is a long.
Let's get. It's like you can't.
It's going. To be look at it, because if you
look at it Maddie, for example, LSU this year, man, LSU budget
is about 3 times what Virginia Techs is.
Absolutely. They won 8 fucking games.

(02:46:27):
You tell me their donors don't want to fucking like Brian Kelly
on fire. You don't think backward.
You don't think backward of Billy tied, tied, of going
across the swamp and with them Gators and dropping off that ex.
Billy they pick on 75 them some of the.
Fuckers in the Middle East. Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is a good example too. Yeah, yeah.
Same thing. So you.
Look at it. It's going to be this waves.

(02:46:48):
And it's like, well, how do we figure this out?
Go, Brian. Well, I was just going to say.
So there's, there's two things #1 the house settlement thing is
going to take care of at least the first, the first wave of
this NIL situation once, once you start getting things
publicly available, that's goingto be a big, big change to the

(02:47:11):
framework of how NIL is handled #2 I'm not trying to get
personal. Do you subscribe on like
Triumph? Do you have a Triumph
subscription? Do you do anything with that?
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
OK, OK. So, so, so you know, like there,
there are intrinsic benefits to supporting NIL outside of wins

(02:47:33):
and losses, right? So, OK, so we're talking about
two different levels here. So there is still incentive for
you to make that investment evenif the wins and losses aren't
quite there, because you get a more personal experience with
the team that you care about, right?
Yeah, no, it helped me with my bachelor party like I talked.
About earlier, so, so that's what I'm saying.
So, so there are things like that, that I think Triumph is

(02:47:54):
doing well that that they're they are providing value outside
of necessarily the product on the field.
And as NIL matures, I think we're going to see Virginia Tech
being a lot better position longterm from an NIL perspective.
Now whether that leads to wins and losses, I'm not sure, but I
think it's going to help that ROI that you're talking about.

(02:48:15):
Yeah, and I just, I just want everybody who comes to the
place, whether you're a player, a donor, a fan, whatever, you're
getting more than you put in. And maybe that's a lot to ask.
And but I think having a high expectation is good because if
you fall short, it's fine, but it's better than just being
complacent. Yeah.
I don't. I don't think we're being
complacent at all. I really don't.

(02:48:36):
I I don't no one's happy with six and six, whether in Merriman
or on this podcast, in anywhere in between.
Nobody, nobody said, but I don'tthink, I don't think they're
being complacent. I think, I think they're, I
think they're moving forward. What they had to do this year in
the portal, I think they definitely needed to do.
And I, I think, you know, I think, you know, we're going to

(02:48:57):
get, we're going to get those kids.
We, we're just going to get somemore kids, man, that want to
come here and, and like you say,play with that chip on their
shoulder. Hey, I've been overlooked, You
know, you know, you, you got to look like a lot of those 24
kids, 23 and 24 kids and 25 kids.
They don't know nothing about losing.
They don't, they don't understand losing.

(02:49:18):
A lot of them, a lot of them have won, been played in state
championship, played in long time football games.
And I always go back to the point, man, they built this
thing from the ground up. This there was nothing here to
build on yeah, what I think theyhad like 20 running backs on
this on this roster and like 20 I.
Think it was only 14. I think it was only 14. 14,

(02:49:40):
yeah. Way too fucking many.
Yeah, way too many, you know, I mean, I remember watching, you
know, looking like, who is this Brumster kid?
I don't even what what is? I mean, they didn't have a lot.
So I know, hey, this is VirginiaTech and the uniforms and
saying, man, they didn't have a lot to build on.
So yeah, with this year disappointing absolutely.
But I just think, and I, and I told, I told, I told Dan this,

(02:50:06):
yeah, we're disappointed with 24, but I think we're going to
be even better in 25. And I'm, I'm just really all in
on that. I think we're going to be so
much better in 25 and, and, and and that'll, and that'll,
that'll be like in 26. We'll be I just think this 25
class is 26 class and the bettercoaching in some different areas
is going to help us out a lot. Well, the whole thing is you've

(02:50:26):
got to constantly improve and the whole thing and, and, and if
you look at the retrospective ofthe history of Virginia Tech is
everybody always talks about, well, Frank, Frank, Frank.
If you look at, and I know this is 32 years ago, which it
doesn't feel that way to me because I'm going to be 42 next
year, 42 next year, but 92 was the biggest year and people

(02:50:51):
always look what happened in 92.Frank made some big ass changes
to the in the one thing and we go through and then that staff
stayed together a while and thenearly 2000 some big changes
happened and that staff stayed together a while and then
basically 2012 happened and and,but by that time Frank was in

(02:51:11):
his 60s, so. Yeah, and he was a legend by
then. He.
Was a legend he'd take. He'd won ACC, he'd won the Big
East, he'd beat Miami Multiply, he'd beat Texas, he'd beat
Alabama. He went to the national
championship game. So you have to change and again,
I go back to what we talked about damn near three hours ago
because we almost three hours. Everybody looking at the left
corner, Brett Pry came in and hesaid he gave it three years,

(02:51:36):
which is legitimate what you should give a staff.
And he said it's not good enough.
I'm going to let this guy go, this guy go and this guy go
because it's not good enough. What happened in 2020 and I know
your son Chris was being recruited at that time is we we
did not have a good season. Maddie, you're watching games,

(02:51:56):
you saw 2019. Nothing changed, right?
We were sitting here. It's like this isn't good
enough. Nothing fucking changed.
And I don't know what would havehappened if some changed.
I don't, I really do not know what would have happened years
ago. Bridges got burned.
Yep, Jim's right. Bridges did get burned.
We don't know. But somehow that team went six

(02:52:17):
and six in 2021. Somehow, somehow that team went
6:00 and 6:00. But when you don't choose to
make changes in anything becauseyou talk about ROI, man, and
that's right, you've got how do you do all right?
How do you get better? You've got to make changes
because if you ain't hitting theexpectations, you better start

(02:52:38):
fucking letting people go. You better start doing things
different. You better start firing people,
you better start adjusting. And that's what happened this
year, because the expectation this year was I was stupid.
Maybe I said eleven wins, y'all.But Chris, how close were we to
eleven wins? Y'all watch how close?
Oh, everybody says, Chris, you're a moron.

(02:53:00):
You said eleven wins. And I say, y'all, look at the
fucking scores. Yep, we were.
We weren't. Far from it.
It ain't like we were sitting down here getting our asses
thrashed. Now we wouldn't get, we wouldn't
no, we would get, we were, we were, we were pissed because of
like, oh, we make a play here, we make a play there.
We win this game. We win this game.
Hey, we get a flag here. We get, I'm just being honest
with you. There were games that yeah, we,

(02:53:21):
we, we just should have won. You're somehow closer to 11 than
you are to four, despite. Absolutely 6.
Games and it looks like maybe this sounds silly, but it's like
we lost half of our games. We.
Lost. That's them.
Yeah, we. Lost half our games, yeah.
We didn't get beat half our games.
Yeah, we we lost half our games.Yeah, we just, we, we, no, we,

(02:53:43):
we did get beat by Clemson. But yeah, you're right, they
did. That's only, Yeah, a whole lot
more talent. But but but but but.
You can't you can't give up talent and also get out coached
in a game and. That that's what happened in
Clemson. I mean, just being honest, you
got out coached. While.
Giving up talent. That's a That's a hard thing.
It's. Hard enough to overcome.
Talent to run the ball four times.

(02:54:04):
When you aren't. Getting out that that, that,
that was the only, that was the only game this year that the
Clemson game was the only game that made me think it was 2023.
Every other game I thought we were a better football team than
23 team. Yeah, we should.
I love that. Chris Yeah, anything anybody
want out because as we we go on three hours here, I'm about to

(02:54:25):
wrap this up because this is thestate of the program and where
we are right now is believe it or not, I think from where we
were a year ago, we thought we were going to do big things this
year. We didn't it sucked.
We didn't we're going to do big things this year.
But we start looking back and where we were at 2020 and 2021

(02:54:46):
and 22 that long ago in every, and I just keep saying this
every game this year, every gamewe were in it.
There was no game that Brian, Curtis, Maddie, Chris, you were
there for all of them. So we can't say you couldn't
leave, because if you left, you'd be in trouble with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I didn't try to do that.

(02:55:09):
And there were no game this year.
We turned off that, said we. First half of Andy was the only
time we were ever out of it. First half of Andy was the only
time we were out. But what happened?
If you watch the second, I know goddamn lead.
Yeah, we first half of Andy was the only time we looked lost all
season. We looked lost.
We got it back though. There were there were 12 games

(02:55:31):
this year. And it wasn't like. 2022 where
there was a couple games in 20/22 it was just like I'm going
2023. This team is not even
competitive. We never. 2023 Louisville, 2023
Louisville, every single one of us turn that fucking game off
because they fucking beat the shit out of us.

(02:55:53):
Yeah, I ain't looking at this nomore.
I'll catch the highlights so I can do some notes and talk about
it on. Tuesday night.
That's true. I ain't watching this no more.
Because I'm going to watch this double time.
That's the only. Way you're watching it.
Fucking game. Double time, no commercials.
That's the only. One every game we could have
won. The question is, with what Brent
Pride did, do we take the step in a year from tonight, a year

(02:56:16):
from the night? Is it different or is it y'all
you got to go? But anyways, I'm going to wrap
up this episode of the Boundary Corner podcast brought to you by
the Counts Family Pharmacy. Brian Sigla, that's you.
I'm Curtis Wilson, our guest tonight, Chris Lester.

(02:56:37):
We appreciate you always, brother, Having you on, Dan.
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This is the opinion I have that's respected.
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It's OK. To be it's OK to say, hey, I got
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Well, if you'll ever have me back, I'll be more than willing

(02:57:19):
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