The Climb

A depleted Hokies roster walked into Scott Stadium uninspired and outmatched, leaving Charlottesville with a 27-7 defeat that was hard at times to watch. We Tell the Truth about the end of a season that was lost weeks ago. We then touch briefly on the feverish rush to Early Signing Day, how James Franklin's staff might look, and make our Big Screener picks of the week.

Episode Transcript

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And welcome back to the BoundaryCorner Podcast, a part of the
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floor for a couple seconds here,but.
Yeah, as most of you know, guys,we were not, we did not do an
episode last week. And there was a, there was a

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good reason for that on, on lastMonday, some of you know, my,
my, my dad passed away. And obviously it was a, it was
a, it was a tough week last weekwith, with family in town and
just kind of going through the grieving process.
So I know a lot of you, some of you in the comments even

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already, and a bunch of folks were reaching out to me into
this week and into the start of the start of this week as well.
So just want to say thank you for that.
Thank you for the support and appreciate your patience with us
last week. Yeah, appreciate it y'all.
Sometimes we don't do these podcasts and there's reasons

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behind them and you know something, you know, we made the
decision last week to not do it and it is what it is.
It was UVA week. Don't worry.
Brian texted me numerous hatefulthings back later in the week to
know he was in good spirits whenit came to hating UVA.
That happened and as it said, their family does come first

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here. So let's talk about before we
talk about football, I'm literally wondering when we're
going to start the program because the basketball game that
just ended 20 minutes ago or so.Man.

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They broke the losing. Streak.
They broke the losing streak. You know, we we had talked about
it with with everything going onlast week and watching some of
the games, like, you know, the wall is kind of the glue for
this team with the with the rebounding with with being able
to stretch the floor out a little bit, just overall

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athleticism. I mean, he's the guy that kind
of gets the wheels moving. So you're without him for
probably, it sounds like for at least a little bit more than
more than likely looking like the rest of this month.
With that being said, I think ifit if it had to happen, this is

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the time for it to happen. That's the guy that has been a
part of the squad. You're going back to last year.
He understands the system. Him missing time, is that going
to probably hurt chemistry or anything at all?
But what it does do is help someof these other guys create
larger roles within the team, kind of understand where they

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fit in a little bit better. I think you know, you're going
to see an improved team from this experience going into ACC
play. The downside is that you know,
you're, you're, you're noticing that when this team gets pushed,
they don't really have that guy that can just kind of get them

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through the tough stretches of agame.
And and that and you'll see these lols happen and you'll see
these these moments where they just don't look like the team we
expect them to be. And then all of a sudden, you
know, it clicks back in a littlebit and you know, thankfully you
scrape by in this one. You know, this is probably a a

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10 to 15 point win if if low walls in that game, but a win is
a win. You take it and you move on to
the next. And you know, hopefully you can
still work through the rest of this non conference with very
few blemishes and get into ACC play and get him back.
Yeah. And I think too, Brian, to that
point, what we saw today was a more cohesive unit than the last

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two games down in the Bahamas where he didn't play.
That is one of the downsides of having those tournaments, right?
It's back-to-back to back. There is no time for gay planet.
You just need to go play. And we we clearly missed the
rebounding against both Saint Mary's and VCE.

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And with what I've noticed in itwas in this game as well as
those two, I got a chance to watch more take basketball than
not. Probably did all last year and
the last week and 1/2. What you're missing tonight is
some of those rebounds. How many times early in the
season, and I know it wasn't some of the best competition.

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Providence was pretty good beaten Colorado State was good
squad to win probably 2 plot onelosses.
But how many times did we see itwe'd again, we get the ball,
push it down the floor easy layup alley to the wall quick.
And how easy is that to say whenyou have a 8 point lead, you you

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get a rebound, make a quick tournament, it's ten.
Well, they've got they've got a press now you see the ball every
time there is no push anymore. That's not having to go to the
wall, not having their getting murdered on the boards.
Saint Mary's I had no issues with getting killed by BCU on
the board turn because VCU typically for as long as I can

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have never been a great rebounding team.
When they murder, you're on the boards.
It sucks. So like that would probably hurt
more, even though the 57% from 3point range by BCU clearly was
the difference in that game. But now we go through South
Carolina, there's a win there. Mason's going to be tough this

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Saturday. Yeah, no doubt about it.
They're. Going to be playing right at VCU
level. I would imagine from from a
talent overall talent perspective, if you play a
better, better game overall and they're not shooting the three
as well as VCU did in that game,you know, you're probably right
there. But I think, you know, we got to

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come in here. We'll go ahead and throw it up
here. Yeah, I think that's that's,
that's big more looks. I think we're starting to see
him be a little more aggressive offensively.
As you know, he had was less aggressive, you know, first,

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first game or two and then then kind of exploded and then we've
kind of seen a little dip and now we're starting to come back
around. Yeah, I think, I think we'll see
him kind of work into the style of play both in just NCAA
basketball in general and as we get into the ACC play just a

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little bit more of an aggressivestyle of play.
I think he's still adjusting to that a little bit.
And. Figure it out.
Well, it's Euro versus American ball.
So there it is significantly more physical and it is guys who
are who have more burst. I wouldn't even say speed burst.
It's the most of the NCAA players have significantly

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quicker first steps than most Euro players.
Back to Mason. Mason's undefeated, but if you
look at who they've beaten, Wofford, Winthrop, Catawba,
yeah, I said Catawba, New Hampshire, Jacksonville, Ohio,
Florida Atlantic, JMU, Cornell, this is effectively going to be
their first challenge game wherethere's going to be a team on
the other side of the floor withmore, with as much if not more

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talent than them. So it's going to be interesting
how they handle that. But if they can, but if the
Hoagies can get through that game with the West, Brian, me
and you were talking about it beforehand, you know, after that
game, it's effectively Western Carolina, Maryland, Eastern

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Shore and Elon. That should be three wins.
It should be. That should be three wins and
the question is can Toby Lewall get back by December 31st for
the UVA game? That would that's the key.
That would be ideal. And but right now we don't know

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the injury. I know they're saying it's a
foot. Chris Coleman saying he said he
thinks it's the metatarsal. If there's any podiatrist out
there or people that go to a podiatrist and want to act as
experts on this, please comment in the comment section and we
will throw this up. So yeah, but overall with with

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basketball, you know, seven and two and again, the where in the
past, the losses where you just kind of hang your head like, oh,
these are terrible B CS probablygoing to win the A10 Saint
Mary's probably making a tournament.
So you're looking at quad 1 losses.
And as we know, sometimes as long as you can get the LS are

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in quad one, not quads 2-3 and four, that's the way to get into
the tournament. Yeah.
And I mean then you still, you know, you're going to have a a
really good opportunity in ACC play to get some quality wins.
I mean the ACC is going to be a much improved conference this
year compared with last year. So you you won't quite have the

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lack of opportunity to get thosequality wins like you had the
last couple years in the ACC. Well, yeah, I mean, look, I
mean, Syracuse upset Tennessee tonight, Duke beat Florida.
We'll do some be good regardless.
So we shouldn't even talk about that.
But overall, just in the beginning of the season, the ACC

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significantly proved they're trying to save five teams.
I think it's more like an 8 bid league this year and if it plays
better, maybe not. All right, I don't know.
I got I got to do some before westart telling the truth about
Saturday. Man.
That was tough to watch. I'll tell y'all, I'll tell

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y'all. I watched it live and I have not
put a single fucking clip back on my screen since then.
I could not watch that game one more time.
I couldn't even watch the condensed man.
It was. It was one of those games where
I'm like, we're bad in every single phase.

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There's like, you know, a handful of plays you can point
it and say, all right, well, that's all right.
And then the rest of it's like, all right, well, we look like
we're outmatched. We look like we don't belong in
the same field. We we didn't, we didn't, we
didn't even play as well as we had played most of the season.
I know you had two big players out on offense and that

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definitely hurt, but at the sametime you got to play with what's
out there and I feel like we still didn't put our best, best
foot forward. In there.
Oh no, no, no, best foot forwardat all.
I mean, you know, as far as the well, I mean, Overton, Overton
was solid. We got to talk about it, you

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know, you got to let it out because if not, you know,
emotional issues, Brian, do you know there is a little pop up
there on the right side? Oh yeah, that's the the comments
are scrolling on the side. There.
Oh, OK. I didn't know if you were, but
the the UPS plots OK as long as you knew the upside was seeing
Overton run. Over Overton had a good game.

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Snoop Peterson catching the touchdown because I I texted at
least four people scoring St. games tonight because we
couldn't do Jack shit. And then he ran a damn just a
little slant and just ran away from him.
Which again shows you his athletic ability.
But can I tell you what the bad to me was?

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What's that? The bad to me was when we were
down 14, nothing at half, and then they score again early
third quarter. I don't give Montgomery all the
credit or whatever you want to say, but him not putting in Pop
Watson just to get a shot? I don't like that.

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Hey, look who finally decided tojump it.
Right into it, baby. Right into it, sliding in.
We, we are trying to talk about the UVA game Tally.
I mean, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm saying let me get my piece so
you can hear. Where I am, he said.
Throw it in the fucking trash. Well, we all threw it in the

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trash. I mean, I'm still drinking, but
for real, him not putting in Watson, at least at some point
in that game, was a travesty. Kyron just could not throw the
ball Saturday, just could not. And him not putting in pop, it

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just seems bad. It seems almost like, no, I'm
I'm riding with this guy and that's it.
And you can't do that, so go ahead.
Yeah, that is that mean. UVA was the better team, they
deserved to win, blah, blah, blah.
We can go into all that. The coaches that was on the
field, Coach Monty who was the head coach, you know, interim

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head coach, he didn't want to win.
He didn't care about winning. He was ready for it to be over.
It showed. I mean we didn't do no half back
pass. No Alabama Internet.
Oh, no passes. We didn't do so.
We lost you for a second, basically, Tally, I, I could

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hear a little bit of you basically, Tally said.
We didn't try trick plays. We didn't try anything weird.
We just were like, we're going to run the ball and throw the
ball. Tally if you got the.
Problem is we didn't commit to the like if we go run the ball,
run the ball, yeah, I feel like we we did that pretty somewhat
well early and then we got off of it and then we got down to a

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point where you felt like we hadto go back and just sling the
ball around. It wasn't a game plan that
really made a lot of sense. And that's that's from, you
know, kick off running it out ofthe damn end zone to the six
yard line and it and it just went downhill from there.
It's done, done. So give them their.

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Give them their tea leaves, their flowers, whatever.
You know, only the third time this century, century.
And it ain't like we're 10 yearsinto the century.
We're bored. We're we're, we're 1/4 of the
way through this century and they've only won this game.
Three times. Look, so the way I see this game
for for UVA, you know, a win is a win.

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You got to you got to give them credit for going there and
handling business. But at the same time, this isn't
significantly different than theMaryland bowl game.
No. From a from a, from a roster
standpoint for the Hokies, like,all right, yeah, you, you you
won the game, but you basically were playing the B team at best.

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Yeah, so. That's what it was.
It was B team significant players out.
You know, the the one thing thatstuck out, somebody put on here,
put, put, I'll put it up. I mean teams.
And you know what? I saw somebody say something.

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Was it Ricky Leblue? It was.
Ricky Leblue. I don't.
Know if they've been called out.How many times have we called
Stew hold out on this program. Oh.
Man man, still been on the shot for a while.
He has gotten dressed down numerous times on this program.
So to say, Ricky, I'll say, MM, tell Ricky.

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Listen, listen to all our episodes.
The receipts from Boundary Corner has been calling him out
really since Vanderbilt of last year and through when we had
some good moments, we gave him his flowers, but it was a lot of
you messing up. So, but as far as it goes that
that's it. No bowl game, nothing like that.
Season's over football wise, again, it's us who are roughly

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fans of 25 and 30 years, right? Worst season we've ever seen.
Worst season, the 2:00 and 11:00or two and nine season a few
years ago that was bad, but at least there was an excuse.
This was no excuse. So it is what it is.
But we're going to keep telling the truth and we aren't going to

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go extra in depth on the recruits and all the guys we've
picked up over the last few days.
We're going to do that next week.
Why? There's still more guys that are
going to get in the boat tomorrow, maybe even a few after
that. We want to talk about them next
week sort of in full once everybody signed, sealed,
delivered and we know they're enrolling.

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But I'm going to ask both of. Y'all, Robbie?
He's not in the comments section, but he's in our text
messages. He's like, what?
Fucking Stew. He might be at Catawba next
year. I don't even know what.
It is AD. 3 is AD 3 school he need to be there.

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So let's talk about this. We're going to talk about all
the kids next week and who they are and where they're coming
from. But I'm going to start with
Tally. Did you expect this type of flip
in 10 days? You did, Tally said.
Yes. I did I mean honestly, I didn't

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know what to expect my comments to y'all even on here too.
I say it and to all the people on Twitter that say it, this is
going you know we James Franklin, I wouldn't worry about
him. We need to get this.
I say it. Blacksburg has never seen
something like what James Franklin has to offer.

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Now what he has to offer. I didn't 100% know taking a
recruiting class from. 118 to 36.
And 30, No, no, no, it's 30 now.We are in the top 30.
We are #3030. To beat from 1:18 to 30 in two
weeks. Ridiculous.
So I knew what he could do. And then you still got some

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people just saying, well, my, myproblem wasn't his recruiting is
what he does on the field. People we had on the field, like
when our 2 deep got gone, when our 2 deep got gone, we're just
out there playing with the 5th, 6th, 7th guy on the roster and
they can't compete against things.

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You know, no disrespect to the kids they're trying to play.
Some of them need development, some of them maybe shouldn't be
here. So he's going to bring guys that
deserve to be on the field from at least the one to the three.
You know your your two to 3D is going to be guys that can play.
He's going to build a roster. So I did expect him to be able

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to do that and it's exciting to see.
What about you, Curtis? Well, for, for me, like I, I
talked, I, I, I talked with MikeMcDaniel today and it's one of
those we knew it could be good, but this is like here.
And if he does, what would throwup on this right here if he gets

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seized tomorrow? It it, I don't know if you can
get much higher because it's basically flipping almost that
entire that entire class from Penn State holding on to who you
needed to hold on to in this class, getting Wilder back in.
I mean, it's crazy. And again, like me and Brown

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were talking about it to go and you just mentioned it now to go
100 spots in 10 days. And it's not like, oh, we're
just getting there. It's like that old, what's our
old number, Brian? We always talked about it.
Got to be 88 average or higher. 88 average or high, we are an 88
average or higher. And if you're wondering what we

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are currently, let me pull it uphere because I had it just a few
minutes ago. 88.23 Most blue star or blue chip recruits we've
had in well over a decade getting recruited.
And I mean, you still got, you know, you talk about siege, but
you also still have, you know, Polydorum play Jackson Ford,

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Terry Wiggins. Yeah, there's, there's still
some, some fruit on the on the on the tree for tomorrow.
So being if you hit on two of those, great.
If you hit on three or more, it's crazy.
Even if he did, Even if he didn't get anybody else though,

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like right now, Curtis, if if wegot no more people to sign,
which I know we will, but if we got no more people to sign, how
do you, what would you think? How do you feel unbelievable
right now if we just begin rightnow?
If it ended right now the OL is built with size.
You've got some defensive lineman with size.

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The one that happened tonight, which came out of nowhere.
Harley up from Gonzaga. I mean, you know what, I got a
text from Phil a while ago and Iwon't pose this to Brian and
then I'll I'll I'll let you go with the tally.
Bill asked me about two hours ago is the Mid-Atlantic nail

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techs. I think I, I think it's, I think
we have as good of a stake as any team in the entire country
at this point. Like I, I think you put us right
there with any of the SEC teams that like to reach up into the

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Mid-Atlantic right now. We don't even know who Penn
State's head coach is going to be.
You know, they just got outbid apparently by BYU.
So. Go support Crumble.
Cookie go crumble, baby. You hear about that, Sally.
I know you've been traveling. You did hear about it?
Those are trying to keep them. I know, but you've been running

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and watching hoops games today. But go support Crumble Cookie.
I've seen that, Curtis, let me let me take, let me throw
something else at you for you tothink about.
All right, so James Franklin comes to Virginia Tech, right
when you ask that question aboutdoes Tech kind of rule the
Mid-Atlantic, Right. OK, we know what South Carolina

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is now. Recruits know what South
Carolina is now. Won't say nothing bad.
We're just going to say everybody knows what it is.
Penn State still doesn't have a coach.
What coach can they bring in? It really can recruit above what
Franklin does. Everybody, I mean, Bill
Belichick's still going to get some kids.
I think he's got 39 kids in their class, but North Carolina

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UVA, North Carolina State, I mean, what school, what, what
recruiters are going to be able to out recruit And this is not
even his staff yet now. EA is having their best season
since 2003. Yeah, and they're the worst

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recruiting team in the conference.
Who? Who?
When? Curtis asked that question.
I'm really trying to wrap my mind around, not just ACC the
point who who can recruit. I don't think he's going to
bring it. I know another tech WS put in
Hartline, but Hartline's more ofHighland Valley and The thing is

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with him, if he comes to Penn State right now, is he going to
bring anybody from Ohio State? He'll bring a couple, but he's
he's not bringing like Franklin.He's not bringing half of
recruiting class with him. Yeah.
Yep, he might bring. He might bring 3 or 4 guys,
maybe five guys. He's not bringing half.

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And the portal ain't even started.
And right now they don't have anybody committed.
No. They have 0 fucking commits
right now. They don't even have a coach
committee, so they can't. Have one they can't think.
About how dumb. Think about how dumb these
people are now I've been on Twitter.
Listen. Even fight people.
Even fight people on Twitter. Listen everybody in.

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The chat thank y'all thank y'allI my back has been hurt since
Saturday and I've never dealt with back pain and it sucks.
So I'm, I'm barely hanging on onsome some muscle relaxers and
whine or something right now. But this is what I I just want
to say thank you to the chat. Thank you to everybody who

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follows me on on X or has come across my timeline on X to keep
me entertained while I'm laying in the bed.
Because if nothing else, Virginia Tech Twitter has been
on Penn State's ass. I love it, I love it.
I just love it, man. It's been some new.

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It's been some new accounts thatpopped up and I'm trying to
follow everybody that just have had me rolling.
It hurts me to laugh right now. My back hurts so bad that it
hurts to laugh. So I just been in there trying
my best to hold these laughs in from people jumping on Penn
State Twitter. Stay on them.
Had somebody come on that Curtisand say somebody said hey y'all,

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we need to quit talking about Penn State to focus on ourselves
and you said fuck that, fuck them.
No, they asked for. We didn't ask for what.
They and what they did is they took I think and everybody's
going to say well on field coaching.
I think as a whole sense James Franklin is a top 15 coach.

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He is top 15 coach. You don't win that much, you
don't move that deep, you don't recruit that good.
Again, my worry was always can he get the amount of talent to
Blacksburg? Well, right now, the honeymoon
phase, he's not having an issue now.
We'll go now, we'll go a little bit deeper into some of that.

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I know later on in some other shows, but I did look up 1 stat
and I'm not the stats guy. Everybody knows that guy is and
I ain't even been talking to him.
I look this up for myself. You want to know what Lane
Kiffin's record is as a head coach compared to James
Franklin's record? Lane Kiffin's record from last
time I looked was 117 on wins, 53 loss.

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James Franklin's was 128 wins, 60 losses, pretty comparable.
I mean, how do you, how do you say, how do you say this is the
top of the line guy? This is the bottom of the barrel
guy? I'm not saying you're that both
of them are right for any school, but when you have people
that come and talk about just coaching from what a lot of

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people have said, oh, James Franklin, he sucks, he's
horrible. He's this, he's that.
I'm like, but wins are wins and losses are losses.
I understand y'all saying he didn't win the big games.
Sure, the big games for y'all. He didn't win the big games for
y'all when he was at Vanderbilt.Did he win the big games because
anybody Vanderbilt beats, especially when he was that was
a big game. So, well, he.

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Beat Tennessee and Florida and Georgia and Georgia in the same
year. Or or in the In the course of
three years, he beat off. They're not big wins, though,
Brian, Those aren't big wins at Vanderbilt he beat.
Ohio State, he beat Michigan. Yeah, yeah.
We don't want to talk about that, Curtis.
We just want to talk about he's not a good coach.
Y'all got y'all got him and he sucks, but then he flips the

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whole recruiting class so somebody believes it.
Well, let's let's. Also, talk about hold on Curtis.
Hold on Brian, I ain't. Going he's he's, he's on.
He's on a roll right now. OK, go back.
Let's go. Look, yeah, look at my boy Will
in the in the in the in the comments, he said.
Not to mention Lane's a, a, a trash human being.
I ain't going to go that far because I like Lane.

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But to go follow him and see some of the stuff he did, well,
he was at USCUSC. He wasn't just say losing.
I think his record, that was like 28 and 15.
They left him at the They left. Him at.
The Yeah, they left. They left him.
Now, when he left Tennessee, they threw tomatoes at him.

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So when he was at Alabama, Dick Sabin wouldn't let him talk
because he thought he was an idiot.
Come on, man. But now he's the darling of he's
the darling of college football.Now he's the greatest coach
ever. I'm I'm going to put this up
real quick. Let y'all read that.
Let. Me see what it says Yep so.

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I'm going to tell you. Can I say something real quick?
Thanks, Chris makes Ben safe andI'm going to tell you something.
Go back and look and, and, and I'm and I'm going to tie this to
Tech because hey, I got that compass right up here.
If Frank Beamer, if there had been a playoff from like 1995 to
like 2011, Frank Beamer would have made it like I think they

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said 10 times. That's what we want, right?
You ain't got to be perfect. It ain't got to be every year,
but you got to be fighting for it every year.
And I think what they've done and Brian, I think I sent, I
think I told you this, you took a top 15 coach, you kept him in
the same area and you put a damnchip on his shoulder.

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And then what you did is you took a program who hasn't been
invested in football for the last 10 years and everybody
realized, hey, we need to write big checks.
And they wrote some really big ass checks to say go do it.
It is a perfect storm. And then the primary challenger

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to recruits in the Mid-Atlantic can't get their shit straight.
They still can't get their shit straight.
Because I think what happened iseverybody knows Pat Kraft's a
piece of shit. And they're finally figuring
out, you know, why James, why hefired James?
Because James got on his ass about don't fuck with my roster,
don't fuck with my NAL deals formy kid, Don't tell me what I'm
doing as a head coach. And that's why he got called,

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because the guy above him said, I'm going to just get rid of
you. And now they're paying the
price. There we go.
I'm glad he did it. Thank the.
Lord me too me too hold on, holdon, hold that hold that Robbie
story. I mean we're firing off in here
all right. I want to do this before I I I
still want to talk a little bit more about the money, but I want

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to get on this because we I got to I got to hold y'all's
attention here all right, 3 and 9 football team, but there's
talent here. I, I told y'all to start
thinking about it, Tally while you were driving, Brian, while
you were chilling around the house.
Who has to be on this team next year?
Y'all just start going through names and I can chat y'all.

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Y'all feel too From the 20/20/25everybody's got eligibility has
to be on this team next year. I think.
You know Jeffrey Elberton, junior.
Yeah, exactly. I think really both, both
running backs, Hawkins and Overton, I'd love to have both
of them back. You know when we look at wide

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receiver Brody, give him back the young.
Guys, you have to. They're young.
You got Keelan, you got Chance. He's going to be a project.
Snoop Peterkin. You really want AG back.
If you can get AG back to let him have a quarterback that can
get him the ball, I mean it's going to be good.

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Have having somebody that has that experience and that that
amount of leadership in that unit.
I mean, I feel like he's he's had to groan from grow from a
leadership standpoint this year just because of the
circumstances that we were dealt.
You know, whether it's whether it's the old man basically
quitting on the team in the middle of the year.

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You know, he ends up, you know, being the being the kind of
leader in the clubhouse there for that, for that group as the
season kind of wrapped up here, You know, flipping to the other
side of the ball, You know, I I got Copeland and Woodson kind of
circled. Copeland Woodson, definitely
Caleb Spencer, Caleb Spencer andprobably Isaiah Spencer because

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they finally figured out he could return punts and he made
some moves. I'll throw, I'll throw you a
name right now and I'm looking at it Benji Gosnell, cause Benji
Gosnell has a year of eligibility left.
We didn't. I don't know.
This year they didn't. Nope.

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He had I think 32 catches last year and this year he had 10.
Well, we talked about at the start of the season that Titans
are not featured in the passing game in Monty's offenses.
They have not been historically,and they definitely weren't this
year. All right, I got 1.
Steven. Steven threw it in his big list.
Noah Chambers. Noah Chambers.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Noah Chambers. Noah.
Somebody put it in the chat. Somebody put Al Tuner in the
chat as well for him to be a freshman center.
He he showed a lot of good this year, you know, but it was so
hard, man, because we've seen people sometime we didn't see
them, you know, some people left, some people hurt.

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Q Reddish. What about Q Reddish?
Well. He got hurt.
And that's what I'm saying. But if you come, we know what he
has to offer. Do you do you want him back?
Because I think you, you got to have somebody like that.
Yeah. Radish is an NFL guy.
And we haven't seen him all yearbecause of injuries, but Joshua
Clark, please. Yes, Joshua Clark.

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Well, then you had guys who werebig time recruits last cycle,
like Platter ball. I mean, played sometimes this
year like, yeah, I don't think this team is too devoid of
talent. I think some of the talent are
babies. And I think with Noah Chambers,
you saw that a lot. He would be just a he, he knew
where the gap was, but it was just a slight hesitation to get

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there. And that's not anything about
anything wrong with him, right? That's just saying as as both of
y'all know, he's young, playing D1 football as an 18 year old.
Yeah, there's a reason he's a hesitation because he's not
ready. He shouldn't be playing right.
Now that's kind of the case. I think with this roster across
the board. I think there are a lot of these

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guys that saw some time this year that are going to be very
solid 2 deep players. If they're, you know, if they
end up being Hokies next year, Ithink it's more we need to
improve that frontline a lot more.
You know, we obviously had depthissues at cornerback and safety.
We know that. We talked about that ad nauseam

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at this point. You know, we had inconsistent
play at linebacker because we were either young or it was guys
that were too old and just not get the job done because they
never got the job done. Keller, Sorry.
And. On the other side of the ball,
you had a offensive line that showed some steps in the running

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game but never really put it together from a pass pro
perspective. And that only got worse when you
started having some trickle downof some of your your guards
getting injured. You know, you're sliding the
remark kind of across the line, sliding down in the guard,
having to put Aiden Lynch out there.

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Aiden Lynch was not ready to to play that many snaps in this
offense. It wasn't not.
At all. And, you know, you you combine
that with the system that probably isn't best designed for
Kyron's talents. And.
Now he doesn't have time either and it was a very bad
combination for the passing game.

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Yeah, real bad. You know, another one I think
about and and some people are going to baby jump in the chat
and say no, he was absolute shitthis year.
Isaiah Brown Murray played good out of position.
He is not an outside corner. He is like 5 foot 8 1/2 on a
good day, but he played his ass off in his PFF grades.
He was like a 75, which that's borderline on that 80, which is

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you start getting to the 80s, itmeans you're a really good
player. He had a pick, he had a bunch of
past deflections and that was playing out of position most of
the time. So it not this week, next week
when all the conversations have and Penn State probably gets
their coach and that portal opens up, you're going to figure

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out what this team looks like and who's going to stay and
who's going to go. And there's probably names we've
been talking about the last 8 or9 minutes that won't come back.
And it's going to suck. It's going to be like, like guys
you like. But as far as it goes, you, you,
you hit them right off the top head.
Y'all both did Hawkins and Overton next year.
Y'all saw how they run. And I think the way James

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Franklin featured running backs,you know, you think about all
the guys he had up there and howgood of a running game they had.
I, I, I, if somebody wants to dive into the stats, I wish
Sheldon was here because he'd bedoing it in the background.
I don't know if he's ever had. Two backs that good at points in
their career where you can play them both.

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If somebody can go tell me. The two guys he has now is
pretty good, right? I'm thank you.
Tried Allen. You tried Allen?
And what's the other guy's name?It's true.
Is it single? Yeah.
Yeah, Singleton. Both of those guys are seniors
and they're both good players. I'd have to look at stats to see
exactly what they're what they're, what they have, but

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both very productive, probably Sunday guys.
Probably with I don't, I don't think that's any doubt
whatsoever, but it just goes back to the point of there
again, we, we don't sit here y'all and say man, we're
poverty, we don't have any talent.
This isn't 2021 going into 2022.This isn't De Fuente era going

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into the pride. Yeah.
There is talent here, there are guys with exceptional abilities
here. And unfortunately we just did
not have the staff to put it together.
And that leads me into this. I mean, if everybody didn't see
it and, and, and it's been out now a while.

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First of all, Franklin's deal, $42 million essentially, and
basically Penn State's playing half of the first three years
because we don't really start paying a lot of money until
20/29 at 12.25. Yeah.
And I mean the average over the the course is like right at 8
and a. Half 8 1/2 so about 1,000,000

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bucks more. Now he goes out and does
something stupid the next coupleyears and blows up.
Just get the checkbook out. Go ahead extend it.
Go ahead and extend it, but thenit's the budget for everything
else that just. It blew my mind. 9.5 for the

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assistant coach pool. Y'all know where that stands?
Y'all know where that stands? Did y'all see where it stands
currently in college football? 44 number 4.
Now I know it's going to be, yeah, that's what's going to be
super important because how manytimes that we look at stuff and
again, Karen is my guy. Karen's a great kid.

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Karen regressed tremendously while he's been here.
What favours did we do him, though?
No quarterbacks coach changing OCS.
I mean, we just, we ran a line. Coach every year is not helping
him. We ran it like a hockey mouse
club. You know, you get a quarterback
coach in here, Franklin's going to go get a a true quarterback

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coach. And I want to know who those
coordinators are because those coordinators are going what's
going to make or break the tape.We know Franklin's going to get
some talent. He's going to get talent.
Yeah, and it and it sounds like you're looking at this and look
at the way Franklin's contract is structured, all those things
he knows out the gate he's goingto need top money, coordinators

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and coaches on this staff to getthis thing humming the way it
needs to. And it and.
It's structured in a way that he's able to do that out the
gate with this 9 million. It is structured now, but, but,
but, but who do you want? Somebody put it in a little
earlier. The way we recruited online,
Phil Trodden is the offensive line coach, the kid coming from

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Ben State. That's you can go ahead and
write that name down. As many kids as have went
straight from there to here. I mean, and, and you don't have
him on staff yet. It's basically a handshake deal.
We're just waiting for this thing to get going, which I'm
sure we'll hear something probably towards the end of this
week on that front. We'll start to see the first

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assistant hires come in. You know what I'd like to see?
It'd be cool as shit. Y'all?
Y'all seen Reservoir Dogs right?I'm inviting you.
Maybe you ever seen? Reservoir Dogs tally you ever
seen could he just like come outtomorrow during the signing day
things and all the guys like in suits just like walking out in a
slow motion scene you start realizing like.

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That man can do what he want to do.
Yeah, that man. Can do what he want to do, but
but let's talk about the let's talk about the coordinators,
because there's a couple names that are there's three names
that are floating around big. There's Ricky, Ronnie, everybody
knows the ODU coach. He other than Joe Moorehead, had
the best offensives under under Franklin up at Penn State.

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His offensive coordinator, Blake, I think he's Blake
Decker. Is it Blake?
I know it's Decker. I'm about to say something that
was put in a chat earlier today,but I'm not because if he don't
get hired, we got to let that roll out.
And then there's the ECU guy, John David Baker.
John David Baker, ECU, the 14th rated total offense this year.

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He comes from Lane Kiffentry. Everybody, like Lane, likes to
pass the ball. Tally Does Lane like to pass the
ball? He does.
But what does he like to do evenmore?
Run get on people's nerves. He'd like to ruin though.
He likes to run the damn ball. Those are the three names and
and you start looking to say, well, under lane Baker didn't do

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shit, but he went to ECU and he's killing it.
And 11 years ago, 11 years ago, if they had made maybe one offer
to a guy down at ECU, could havechanged the director of the
program. Y'all tell me who that is in the
chat. But I like all three names.

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But what do y'all think? Do y'all have coaches,
coordinators that just immediately say, can you go hire
that guy? Whether it's from this old
staff, new staff, whatever. I mean, you know, looking at,
you know, John David Baker definitely has me intrigued.

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I don't know if he's going to bethe guy, but I certainly would
be fine with that as as the OC higher.
Yeah, about DC, do you think? Do y'all think Tom Allen has a
Could we steal Tom Allen from Clemson?
They didn't have a good year down there, but God damn it, he
killed it last year at Penn State.

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Yeah. Definitely make that.
Call, and I'm sure he already has at this point, and you make
you make him tell you no becauseyou can.
You can pay him what Clemson's paying him.
Yeah, But you know how double is, double has a way to get
people to stay where he wants them to stay.
So he had those, and I'm not saying he does, but he had those

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coordinators that he had for years and years.
Things just you know, when they finally got here coaching jobs,
Clemson didn't quite look the same.
But I don't know man, I don't really have a name to throw out,
but I do just want to get a defense.
I know defensive coordinator means a lot, but you got to have
people in the places too. I just want to get a defense

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that looks like when you go lookat Miami like they're big, they
fast, they physical. We always seem like AJV team
playing a varsity team, even when we beat them, even in some
of the years that we're as good as them or you know, we get them
on the field. Maybe 2016 our our ones when

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Miami came up to Blacksburg, ourones looked great.
But when you start to get in the2 deep, you know, and you got to
roll people in our defensive line.
We we rolling out, you know, 6 foot defensive lineman that's
twitchy. It's cool, I get it.
We've had that, but the game hasprogressed so much farther past
that. If you want to be somebody like,

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and I don't even want to say his.
Name like Aaron. Donald, you don't.
They don't make Aaron Donald's no more.
You know what I'm saying? Like Aaron Donald was an
undersized lineman, but he worked his butt off.
He was strong as a house. They don't really make a lot of
a lot of defensive lineman like that.
So you got to get big in the trenches and then when we go

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play somebody like this year we go play Miami and you look at
their offensive line, they're going to get 2 yards.
If they need 2 yards, you can gofor it on 4th and two on your
own 20 because you know you're going to get it.
So whoever we put on that defensive side of the ball, I
just want them to go get somebody who was going buy into

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what Virginia Tech has been in the past.
Like, I know we're moving in thefuture, but Virginia Tech's a
defensive school, you know what I'm saying?
Like we've had some good offensive players, but we're
really a defensive school. So more than all of the stuff
that we're getting on offense, Iwant them to focus and get that
defense right. Like we got to have a top
defense. And it was Lincoln around 2013

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and 2014. You're right, we need a top
notch defense and there's so many things to bring in and
somebody put in like Tim Banks who's over at Tennessee, they
want his head because he gave up45 to Vanderbilt.
Like they need to fire him yesterday.
Like they were pretty good ranked defense last year.
Y'all want to get rid of him? Sure, we'll take him over here.

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He Got Talent back to coach anyway.
You know, that's people making drastic decisions off of 1 game,
one game. That's how that's how that's how
we got in this situation. So put up Stevens down there

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just I got it. I do think I don't think he's
going to change that first year.I don't.
Fergus is a good culture guy, man.
He's he's we look better this year, even though the record was
bad. Yeah.
Yeah, I, I think he's a culture guy.
I think he there's just something that probably will.

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I think we'll speak to Franklin with Bird.
So you know, y'all been throwingnames in here up and down.
It's it's going to come to fruition in the next probably
week. And I know I said a week from
now we're going to talk about all the recruits and mention
them and where they come from and all that fun stuff.
But I think about a week from now, we're going to who the
coordinators are. We're going to know who the

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position coaches are for the most part.
But the other part about, and itwas Brandon Masello's treat
tweet, excuse me, the support staff is up to 6,000,000.
It doubled that budget, doubled that's.
Crazy. And then recruiting budget went
up more than double from 1.26 to3.
And that's just a recruiting budget.

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That's not staff. That's just getting people in
and out of Blacksburg visiting places.
And I'm going to tell you. Lavar, you late.
Lavar is late. Hey, you know, Lavar long time.
But I think overall the way thatgoes, it's just it's it's insane

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to see the amount of money they are putting into it for for so
long. They didn't.
And it reminds me for those who are old enough here, it reminds
me of the year 2000. The year 2000 when Frank was
going to leave for UMC and they dumped money when it wasn't him.

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At that point, Frank was set forlife.
They dumped the money into everything else and for the
next. Decade you poured.
You poured a lot of money into your assistant pool and a good
good chunk of money into your facilities, and then you let it
roll for a decade. That's it.

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But you keep up. You don't get back to this
bullshit of what we're doing, OK, What we're doing with.
You keep up. You keep up with the times.
You keep up with the money. You got to re evaluate what the
plan is. Like you have a five year plan,
right? But you're still re evaluating
that five year plan every fucking year to make sure that
what you would forecast is stillgoing to pass muster.

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True. All right, so there's all that
fun stuff. Let's just talk about coaching
carousel in general. I'm on, I'm on list.
I'm on. I'm on list names real quick.
Good for you, Lavar. For your wife.
All right, I'm going to start throwing names out here.

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Y'all ready? And this is some are in
official, some are not official.I'll start with Stanford because
they didn't have a coach becauseAndrew Blood fired their coach
in the offseason, DaVita Pritchard, who is the Redskins
quarterbacks coach? Eric Morris, he was the North

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Texas guy. He's going to Oklahoma State.
Cool. Arkansas got silver field,
Memphis tally don't like it. Brian's like, I wish, I wish I
don't like. I don't like it for him.

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Auburn got Pete Golish from USF John Summerall Pete Pete Golish?
Yeah. OK.
Pete Golish there John Summeralltook Florida after two weeks
ago. Apparently he canceled the
meeting to Florida. Should.
Have flipped those. I'm about to go when I know you

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don't give a thumbs up on tally Pat Fitzgerald to Michigan
State, OH. Yeah, that's.
Good. That yeah, that they nailed
that. That's probably that might be
the third best hire of the cycle.
Yeah, it's. Easily.
It's definitely top five. It could be, like you said, top
three, top three. Ole Miss said fuck you, Lane.

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We're just going to stick with Pete Golden as our head coach.
I think that's that's them Just yeah, I give.
Them a thumbs up, I give them a thumbs up.
The the the. The the few that are tied I.
Give them a thumbs up because that's the only way they were
going to stay somewhat. That's the only way they're
going to stay somewhat together.Like if they had to go through a
search and pull somebody else in, I feel like it was going to

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get real pin statish. Well, also the way they're
dealing with things right now, like they're legitimately
probably going to make the College Football Playoff.
They are. So like you've got to you've got
to still put a product out there.
So that that that's the only reason I like it.

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I mean, I think it's time will tell whether that's a good long
term hire, but I think it's definitely the best they can do
in the short term. Consider the circumstances.
True. All right.
Now there are the ones being tied, and that is Bob Chesney to
UCLA. He's JMU coach Will Stein to
Kentucky. I don't know neither one.

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There's one name I didn't mention.
We've already talked about them all throughout the program.
Penn State has nobody Kalani Sataki staying at BYU, getting
more money than anybody from Crumble Cookie.
And then last, then last but notleast, Lane Kiffin takes LSU.
That was a good move for him. It's a good move for him.

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LSU has a LSU has a top ten class and he don't have to do
nothing to it. True, He don't have he didn't
have to recruit. He just walked in the building.
They've already a top ten class.I think I'd have to go look at
it. Maybe 10 out of there, 15
recruits are from Louisiana, andit's always like that.

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They ain't going to have to do much to continue.
He had to work his butt off to get people to to Ole Miss.
I'm not saying that he's right. I'm just saying Lane is who he
is. They're going to pay me a lot of
money and they're going to make my job easy.
And Lane was like, hell yeah, let's do it.
But he's coeds. I can't remember the name they
gave him down at Bama. Somebody will tell him, tell us

(56:38):
in the chat, some name they gavehim.
He used to go out under a fake alias at Bama and get on girls.
Tony. Tony's something I I can't.
Remember, man. Well, well, the whole, but the
funny part about that tally, anddon't you think about it, where
he's had his success at the Tennessee thing.
I always throw is a one off. He was there one year.

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You don't know what was going tohappen.
He had his success at Ole Miss, FAU, where he had to work right.
He had success at Alabama because fucking Nick Saban made
him work. What's the one job he took that
recruits itself and how they do?There?
You mentioned it earlier, USC. He didn't do shit there, did he?

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He didn't. But again, he took, he took that
job at a bad time, though. He took.
That job? At a bad time.
But it's still. USC because it you.
It used to be USC, especially Pete Carroll's USC, sucked all
the recruiting oxygen out of thewhole fucking West Coast, and it
was not that case when he took that job.

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No, but you know, he doesn't care about the money though.
Here's the one thing I will say about him taking that job and I
said it earlier, he knows now hehe is a genius offensive mind.
I don't give a damn what you say.
Whether you like him or hate him, he is a genius offensive

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mind. He knows how to call plays.
He knows how to dial things up. But the issue that going there,
you fuck around and lose 8 gamesa couple times at Ole Miss.
Do they care Tally No you you down in that part they don't you
fuck around and lose a couple have a couple eight win seasons
at LSU it's. Going to get over.

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Bye. And with him and his track
record, they will find a way to get out of the contract.
You know what happened? We walked in and he was freaking
doing, he was doing blow off hookers in the in the facility
here. And probably most of us would
say, yeah, it probably happened.So OK, OK, do y'all feel that

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based on where it is that Franklin's you the first or
second best of that group? 100%.
OK, 100%. I I think if you say payer,
where the programs are and who took the job, I think he was the
best hire. Follow back up.

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Now, if you if you're just saying who got the best coach
overall, probably LSU. Talent, go ahead, you about to.
Say that I put that. I was just going to say I put it
at 2. Just when you look at things, if
you didn't know anything about college football and you just
came on an Athlean spaceship andstarted watching ESPN, the most

(59:31):
you're hearing about coaching wise and recruiting wise is
going to be LSU and Lane Kiffin and then James Franklin and
Virginia Tech. Franklin does this.
Go look at 247. If y'all ain't on 247, they had
a great sale going on. You can get the whole year for
like 30 bucks. I did it.
Shout out to 247. I like to go on in, see people

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talk crap. You see Virginia Tech pop up
more in the last two weeks than you have in the last five years
probably. I've got more ESPN notices about
Virginia Tech in the last two weeks than I have and I know the
last three years. So.
Yeah, Franklin is Franklin's doing work.

(01:00:15):
Great job. Great job for us, man.
I mean, again, I'm not, I alwaysam going to follow the program.
I'm not a coach guy. I'm just enjoying the success
while it's here. What I think probably happens
with Franklin is he, he propels Virginia Tech to be top 15 team.

(01:00:35):
Somebody comes along and tries to steal him away in two to
three years, you know. But if that does happen, where
will Virginia Tech be at that time?
You know, that's true. We should be in a better place
than we are now. So in.
The in the funny. Times, a lot of times are good.
And the funny part is, say what you will, we're in a better
place than where we were four years ago.

(01:00:58):
Yeah, you crap on Brent Prowl. You want the relationships he
built. This will make it a lot easier
for James. Things that were brought to the
attention, even for when they bringing things to attention
about the spending, we're in a lot better place than where we
were four years ago. All right, Now, let me ask y'all
this. Take those two names out of the
equation. Y'all know who mine is.
I think Pat Fitzgerald's the third best hire.

(01:01:20):
Who's y'all's third who? Who nailed their hire?
I mean, I think Arkansas did as good as they can do.
Damn. Well they're not going to get
James Franklin up. They.
All right, that's going to get everybody people looking stupid.
I don't know, man. I'm I'm a big summerall guy.

(01:01:40):
I think that I think Florida is a hard place to win, but I think
that they got a good coach. So again, that's just that's a
little bit biased to me because he's from here.
So I'll watch him a little bit more than other people.
But like some of the Auburn people, man, like they didn't
want him. It was like, no, you know, we've
watched him. He's not ready for he's not

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ready for the SEC. And then you go hire a guy from
South Florida. I'm like, oh Lord, OK, see how
this goes. I mean, they're more, I mean
caliber wise what they've done in their in the, in their spans
at those spots. I mean, they're very similar
caliber coaches. I don't, I don't think like it's
it's hard to knock Summerall at Auburn and then feel OK with

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with who they ended up. With, but see, right.
And that's the thing with me, I'm like, I feel like what
they've done in the G5 ranks have kind of been parallel, but
Goldish has been in Florida. So when I say a South Florida
guy, I'm saying like he's been recruiting down there.
He's been in that area. People know him, you know, from

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what he's doing in South Florida.
How hard would it have been? And I get Florida's, you know,
talent riched, but if you're going to recruit out of Florida,
a coach that can go in and say, hey, I've had success at South
Florida, just come here to, you know, Florida, Florida, it seems
like it was going to work perfect for them.
And then Summerall who was at Troy, had some success at Troy,

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had some, you know, good playersthere.
Then he goes out to Tulane because they double the salary
or triple the salary. Of course he's going to leave.
But again, his footprint is around Alabama.
You know, he's from Alabama. He played at Kentucky, he's
coached in Alabama. He was gone down to, you know,

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Louisiana for one year. Now you pull him back in.
He's built a lot of relationships.
And this ain't something that I'm guessing this is stuff that
I know he's built really good relationships with high school
coaches in Alabama and around the Auburn program.
So now you're going to take thatand just throw it away and then

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you don't have to build it up fresh because when you're
recruiting to get somebody like Alabama, Alabama is a national
presents, right? They can go get just about who
they want from anywhere. Florida has to be a little bit
more local and more centralized because you're recruiting
against them. You can take and and and that's

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no knock on the kids to go to Auburn because a lot of good
football is played in Alabama and a lot of those kids go to
Auburn. They just kind of feel like they
got have got looked over by Alabama or Auburn.
Just make them a priority at thebeginning of their recruitment.
This guy's going to have to comein and build that up.

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And it's like, there's no just the same as with Virginia Tech.
Like I told some fans when they were saying I need to go after a
coach like this, I'm like, we don't have time.
You know? The only thing about Auburn is
that they're already in the NCC.If there's a reboot and Virginia
Tech didn't have James Franklin,we get left out 100%.

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You know, if we played no games right now and they said, hey,
we're just going to two conferences, you know, and
you're either in this one or you're in this one or you're
out. We got a chance now that they're
going to go James Franklin's Virginia Tech Hokies, then just
Bob Chesney's Virginia Tech Virginia Tech Hokies.
Basically, Chesney and and Silverfield were probably going

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to be the candidates we would have ended up looking at if.
Yeah. If we had Franklin. 100% by the
way, Alex was not By the way, the other thing is Alex.
There we go. No, that's it, Pete.
I don't know where they'll Pete because I was looking at Pete
Golden type Pete G. And the other thing about
goalish and you didn't mention this tally but mention it.
He coached 2 years up at Tennessee.

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He knows the SEC environment. That is the other big thing.
He did 4 total years at Florida between UCF and in South Florida
and he did two years up with Hypola Tennessee and you know
they come down into Florida and recruit it.
So but to what you make the point with Summerall is the guy
knows everything around here. Could he just could he be the

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culture fit where you feel like goalless?
I mean first of all, if most of y'all may notice about Alex
goalless man was born in Moscow Russia not Moscow ID Moscow
Russia went to Ohio State has coasted Oklahoma State, Toledo
Illinois, Iowa State, UCF, Tennessee, South Florida.

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You want to talk about resume that looks all jacked up.
I don't know if that's going to be a culture that and and if you
see his personality, you remember a couple years ago,
even walking off the field that coach want to talk to him.
He was all pissy and he's kept walking and he kept walking.
I do feel if he struggles, y'allwant to get some entertaining

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press conferences at Auburn the next three years.
So there you go. Probably so I'm looking forward
to seeing what. That's going to look like it's
going to be a lot of fun. Anything else on the coach and
carousel? Again, not everything's done.
Kentucky fired their coach. Could it be Will Stein?

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And again, UCLA thing is not a done deal yet.
So it's going to be really interesting.
All right, well, we got to pick some games.
We ain't going against the spread.
We ain't got no highlights or anything like that.
Tally's didn't tell us what he'spicking, so he's going to be
going off the cuff right here. But we've got a bunch of
conference championship games this week.
Going to be a lot of football watching on Friday and Saturday,

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Maybe some partaking in adult beverages while we're doing
this. Tally don't have too much of
those when you get on those muscle relaxers.
I want you jumping on here starting your own St.
Hey y'all got to pray for me. I'll be on the we're leaving a
little cruise on Thursday. I don't know how I'm going to
make it you. Going to make it.
You going to make it just just they got a wheelchair.
To the boat. I just got to get to the boat,

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man. Are y'all going out in New
Orleans? Yeah, we're driving to New
Orleans Thursday morning. Oh, that?
That's going to be your biggest deal, right?
There, that's what I'm talking about.
For 9 hours. What else about 5 from here?
Is it 5? Yeah, about 5 or 6 from here.
We're going to take you 10 because you gonna have to get
out every hour and stretch so you don't get all jacked up.

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And the muscle relaxers been knocking me out, Curtis, the
ones they gave me yesterday. Say, maybe I think a nap.
At 4:00 in the morning. You going to look at your wife
and be like, listen, I'm taking three of these, I'm going to
drink a bottle of wine and you just wake me up when we get to
the ship. Wake me up when we get that roll
me on the ship that's. Right.
Set me at the craps table. All right, so here we go.

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Let's talk about these games. Let's make some winning
predictions. We are not picking against the
spread this week. Brian said he didn't feel like
thinking about numbers, so we'regoing to go with it.
Tally's alma mater is in a championship game, Kenneth Stall
State versus Jacksonville State.Would this be in your school,
Mr. Talley, who you got this week?

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Give me them cops, them big. Cops said Tally said.
I'm going to take the Cox on this one.
I'm winning. I'm riding the Cox as well.
I'm riding the. Cox.
I'm riding the Cox all night. Go to Jacksonville State, baby.
Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
We're not riding no cocks. We said give me the cocks, not

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riding the cocks. You want to you want to not ride
the cock you. Just, hey, man, Tally, Tally
said. We, we bottoms here, man.
We're not tops. Let's roll Next we got Troy down
in your neck of the woods is taking on James Madison for the
Sunbelt Championship. I think it's Friday night we all

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got. If I'm 1st, I'm going to say
James Madison, man, Even if theydo have some coaching turnover,
I just think that a better team,they'll win that game.
Yeah, they got more talent. I think they're going to win.
It Oh yeah, Madison, definitely.I think they're definitely
winning it. I don't.
I think with the between what Cignetti's done and what

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Chesney's done, they probably have more talent than anybody in
the Sunbelt and it's showing every year.
Now the question is, can Bob Chesney fly his whole team out
to UCLA next year like Kurt Signetti did?
Maybe, maybe not. All right, next one.
This to me is going to be an entertaining gas game on Friday

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night. You got the sports bar down
there on the ship. Tally pull up for this one.
North Texas versus Tulane on Saturday night or on Friday
night. 11 in. 1-2 new coaches. Two schools getting 2 new
coaches, two coaches getting twobig new jobs.
Best quarterback in the countries at North Texas that

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kids probably go to Oklahoma State followers coach who you
got tally. I'm going to North Texas on this
man. I feel like Samara's got his
hands full getting ready to go to Florida.
So he is already Will's turning to get that job to get that
started. And I think North Texas just got
a little bit more involved and. You know, at risk.

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I think when you when you're dealing with stuff with like
coaching changes and things likethat, you pick the team with the
better quarterback and that's North Texas.
It is North Texas, and I think it's to the point that two
lanes, Summerall's taking a muchbigger position where he's got a
lot more to think about. Oklahoma State's dog shit right
now. They don't care.
Just like get here whenever you can and just bring your

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quarterback. That's all we want.
We'll figure it out in three or four years.
I'm taking North Texas on that. All right, Kind of weird.
Usually it's the Mountain West Conference of the small
conferences getting the big talk.
This year's UNLV and Dan Mullen,who I'm guessing is going to get
paid at UNLV, even though last year they said they didn't have

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enough money to pay him. I guess somebody, I guess
somebody took like $2,000,000, walked into one of the casinos,
put it on a number and it hit the number because he has not
come up in any coaching searchesas of yet.
UNLV is playing Boise State. I believe this one is.
It's Friday night, but this one is Saturday.

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Efforting, efforting, efforting.Well, it's at some point this
week, boys. Here to UNLV tally.
Oh, I guess I'm going to go withUNLV man.
I haven't watched boys there a lot this year and I'm going to
trust my God damn mother. UNLV, let's go.

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Yeah, I think Mullen takes care of business.
I'm, I'm I'm all in on the on the UNLV for the time.
Same, we are agreeing a whole lot Tally.
You were agreeing with guys who couldn't pick worth a shit this
year on everyone. Be bad, might be.
Bad. I'm UNLV.
We saved Tally up, letting him go first on all these Curtis.

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What's the whole thing? We made our kicks.
I mean, he he could look back and he knows how to, he knows he
can fade as if he wants to, but.Exactly we put them in there
hours ago so you can fade us if you want, but you know it is
what it is. I we get to Saturday, one of the
fun days of college football. High noon 12 O clock at Jerry

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World BYU fighting for the effectively their life against
Texas Tech who we take. In Texas Tech, Texas Tech, man,
they don't pay the money. They're going to reap the
benefits. Texas Tech is going to take care
of business. I think BYU the I think the

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crumble money didn't quite work for this game.
So Texas Tech. Guns up, Texas Tech wins big.
You can buy a football team and make the playoff.
That's the proof. Yeah, it's the proof.
Well, take that back. As long as you got a couple good
quarterbacks, you can do it. You got shooting quarterback.

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Florida State's tried it three years.
They they, they nailed it one year.
And they took Tommy Castellanos.They fucked themselves this
year. That's what I'm saying that
it's, you know, if if you get the right pieces that mesh and
you got a good quarterback in that mix, then it can be done.
It's just it's a dice roll, especially if you don't have a

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surefire top ten in the country quarterback.
It's true, all right. We got Mac Chenek.
Mac Championship, also at 12. Saturday, Miami of Ohio versus
Western Michigan. Miami of Ohio.
Yeah, you always got a row of Miami, baby.
Sound like cool, just sound likecool place, right?

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Miami, Ohio. The only reason I take them is I
know Ben Roethlisberger played there, right?
That's it. That's the only reason I, I
have, I threw this one on here because you know, don't know,
don't crap on everything, but you got the SWAC championship
also this weekend and it's goingto be preview A&M versus Jackson

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State. By the way, if you didn't read
today, Colorado is $27 million in debt and Jackson State's
still women. I don't know if it was Dion
doing a good thing. I think Jackson State's just a
really good FCS program, but whoyou got Tally?
Oh man, give me Jackson State. Yeah.

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I mean that that's a layup. I feel like Jackson State's
going to take this one by a pretty good margin.
Yep, I got Jackson State too. We have not agreed.
We have not disagreed on anything yet.
This is so good thing. Either this is going to be
really good or if you don't playthis parlay and we get every

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game right, calling out everybody.
All right, we get to Saturday afternoon in Atlanta rematch
Georgia, Alabama, Alabama took the opening or the earlier
season game. Georgia's taking it hard to beat
the team twice. Man, Georgia.

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I've got Georgia as well. Georgia as well.
I think Georgia spanks them. I don't think this is a game
because Auburn, if Auburn could just learn how to hold on to a
damn football, Alabama wouldn't be in this game at all.
And the question goes, if they lose, should they go?

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They're gone, though. Should they be gone?
They get smoked I think. If they get smoked it'll get
interesting. If they don't, if they keep it
close, then I think they're in. So them in Miami have one common
opponent. Oh, I know.
Yeah, it don't matter it. Don't look, look FSU is.
Going to be the game that was Anomaly.

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For every every every person that played them.
They're going to say why are we punishing them for making it to
the the the 8th SEC Championship?
Why did they not get? Why did they continuously get
ranked in the top 10 even thoughlost to a shitty ass team in
FSU? Yeah, I don't know.
Because you know what, in a couple years when James

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Franklin's nine and one and he has one bad game against Georgia
Tech, they're going to put us atlike 26 now.
Y'all can't be ranked. Y'all can't be ranked.
The only. Thing I'll say, Curtis, is that
regardless of whether that win was a good win or a bad win at
the start of the year, they still did what they needed to do

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to get to the SEC Championship game.
That's probably going to be enough in most people's eyes
unless they get absolutely fucking waxed.
All right, here we go. We all think Georgia.
All right, in one of the funniergames this week, Virginia versus
Duke. Did y'all read the tiebreaker
scenario of how Duke got in? Yes, it was crazy.

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Yeah, stupid. Stupidest shit ever.
Let's go back to the coastal andstuff.
Man, so when we get to tiebreakers, I mean, I mean, I,
I wouldn't have a problem. Just, you know, whoever the
highest ranked team. After head to heads.

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Yeah, after head, head to head should be the start.
Head to heads is always the starting.
Point. Well, the whole thing is Duke
couldn't be discussed in the head to heads.
You know why? The only team Duke played in the
top six of the ACC? They got their asses handed to
them. They didn't play Georgia Tech,
they didn't play Miami, they played UVA and got killed, and

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they didn't play SMU. Yeah.
What they got lucky is that they're playing.
SMU. All SMU had to do was go out
there and win a layup game and they didn't do it.
Algorithm we got a baby. The calgorithm, we got them all
right. Who we got in this game?
For the same reason I said Georgia, I'm going to say Duke.

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It's hard to beat the team twicein one year, so I got it.
If I'm going to say that's my mythought process, I got to go
with Duke. I'm going to go a little bit
different logic on here, but thesame answer.
It's Duke, because fuck them, that's why.
Damn. I'm trying to get back to 500.
You can't beat A-Team twice, butwhen you absolutely kill

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somebody, like if that had been a close game like the Georgia
Alabama game, I would have went tallies line, but they'd be
kicked the dog shit out of them three weeks ago.
I mean they beat them down. It wasn't a game at all.
I hate saying it, but UVA unfortunately is going in this
game and getting the playoff. What happens in the playoff?
If you're a UVA fan and you somehow found this channel, you

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might want to turn TV off because it ain't going to get
pretty on that playoff game. Whoever they play, they can be
ugly. We got a We got a update here.
What? We.
We did not we. Didn't do it, Robbie.
We didn't do it. So the question is who's partly
you're riding with because we'redifferent now, All right, last

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game it was pretty cool to see this regardless if you hate
them, and I do hate one of theseteams significantly #1 versus
#212 and O versus 12 and O, OhioState versus Indiana.
Ally, who you taking? Ohio State.

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I'm riding with the Fighting Kurt Signetes.
Fighting Kurt Signetes, he has the unbelievable first name, but
for Indiana, and as much as you want to see him win and as much
as I want to see Ohio State lose, I I just can't see it.

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I can't see it. I think Ohio State's going to
beat him. I mean, I it's one of those
interesting games because you know, both of them have pretty
much secured their spot at this point.
Probably both have secured a buypotentially.

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No, no, no. Is it, is it, are we doing the
bars this year or just before? Is it?
I forgot what it was this year. Are they still doing the
conference champion only? I thought.
I thought they changed the. Rules.
I thought they changed that too,I can't remember.
So I thought, I thought it was the four highest ranked get the

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buy. Maybe I'm wrong, I know they
changed something. They changed something.
Effort efforting the ever changing College Football
Playoff ranking rules. Just the four overall.
The top seeds get a buy. Yeah.
So I, I, I think regardless of this outcome, I think both of
them will get a buy. I I forgot to look at their

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their rankings tonight. They're one or two.
I know who's 3 is Georgia 3? Georgia 3?
Aren't they Texas Tech? Texas Tech is 4.
So in all likelihood, Georgia goes up, Texas Tech goes up,
Indiana probably doesn't slip inunless they get just waxed.
Yeah, exactly 63, nothing. It's, I think it's going to be

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interesting to see how that shakes out.
You know, I think Ohio State probably has a little a little
more to lose, but it could be one of those things where Ohio
State may, you know, lose this when they get the monkey off
their back so they can make another.
You know, they need to. Well, either way, I don't think

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either of them are going past four unless it's just ugly.
So, yeah, I agree. All right, anything else to wrap
up tonight, Tally? I'm glad you made it man.
I made it. I'm glad you did.
You did. You made it.
Now go take your medicine. Go stretch back out because you

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got a long drive on tomorrow, right?
Thursday. Thursday.
Thursday. Are y'all drive?
Are y'all driving the same day to get on the ship?
Yeah. And you're back Monday.
Back. Come on.
Also five day. Where are y'all going this time?

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Not do we lose them? I lost them.
Where? Cosmic the Mexico trip.
Very nice, Ryan. Anything to ask me?
Got it. I'm I'm just seeing if any other
recruit outage is good if we didn't get any other crew since.
We that would have been sick like a 930 drop.

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Did you see the one? Did we see the one coming late
night? We hadn't got a late night 1 yet
and it was like 730. Boom, here you go.
Yeah, most of it like 663030 wasthe latest pop so.
Yeah. Yeah, All right.
Get ready for tomorrow. Get ready for tomorrow, going to
be the first time listening. Apparently there's going to be a
Simon Day thing. Shout out Virginia Tech social

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media staff. That was sick.
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