" Bout that Life Podcast" AAU Basketball and Life talk Episode 55 From Injury to Inspiration: Bernard Seals' Basketball Journey and Training Philosophy

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From the YBA Phoenix Fitness 24-7 basketball facility in Rockland, California.
It's About That Life Podcast with your host, Coach C. Collins and Coach MJ.
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that pushed to the side i want to get to my guest
this brother has been in the training field
for quite some time he he's known for
you know he's very much known for his passion of the game and i would like to

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say more of a philosophical approach as well and me and him relate because not
only are we the same age but we we're very vocal about what we think and i've
I've seen his brother over the years.
And I've reached out to him and I'm really glad to have him on the show.
Just like my last guest, Ryan, shout out to you, man. That people were still

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saying they really loved that episode.
So I'm hoping this is another episode that you guys can really learn the human
side of these people and what they do in the business and in which we work in.
But without further ado, let me introduce Bernard Seals.
How's it going, man? It's good. I can't complain.
Okay. So you have your company seals drills, right?

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Just, you know, you can give me a little bit of background for that before we
get more into your basketball background.
How long has it been going? And, you know, you know, where, where do you mainly
do your training out of all that type of stuff?
You go ahead, give us, give us your origin story, bro. bro well
training i mean it's actually funny with training bro i mean for years guys

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were asking me to train and i'm like no i don't i don't it's funny i don't work
train like that's how i got into coaching i was like i don't want to coach but
you're right it's like well i don't i don't have the time to train like if you
can't hoop you just can't hoop you know what i mean that's like.
You know you're fooled you gotta figure out a way to get better but it actually
started man i ruptured my achilles
i was trying to get back in shape that happened to me too bro oh that's a

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terrible injury ruptured the achilles
and i couldn't i just couldn't do
nothing you know what i mean and so just sitting in
the house one day and i'm like man let me go to the gym i went to the
gym some guys were in there i'm just dribbling and
so i started to give them advice yeah you know what i mean and then
the next day they came back was like man the advice you gave
me really worked it helped and then a good friend of mine

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dennis bruner he's actually been training for a while yeah
he had his own facility and everything else and so
i was he's always asked me man come train i'm telling you you'll be
good at it you'll be able to and and so i finally went
you know and it just started it started there i
had a client named caden silva who trusted
me he came we started to work and it just it grew

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from there like it just all grew from there and i just i just used the experience
i had from playing because in all reality bro we were trainers when we were
playing you grab your boy you rebound for me right five spots we shooting are
we breaking breaking down whatever we trying to do and get better at you training.
Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, without overthinking things,

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it just, I took the experience from playing and it just took off from there.
Nice. And I mean, no, you really like, I see it on your social media all the time.
And you know, for those listening, obviously you guys know I'll link his social
media stuff. So please go follow him.
But you know, you, you, you got great catchphrases and slogans and all you've
really, you've marketed yourself.

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Well, You really marketed and branding yourself. Well, has that been kind of
a just a natural evolution piece by piece by piece?
And you're just kind of picking up and learning along the way just getting more
comfortable Okay You know what?
I mean just just being able to see other guys that are in the business and other
guys on the internet itself and they're able to Be themselves,
right? I mean you don't have to,

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You don't have to act like you're at work all the time. You know what I mean?
You don't have to talk a certain way or carry yourself a certain way.
You still have to be a professional, of course.
But, like, allow your personality to show. You know what I mean?
Be able to be yourself. And I'm a pretty witty guy.
That's true. So that's where a lot of that stuff comes from.
You know what I mean? I try not to take it too serious.

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And the kids actually, like, the kids and the young men, the young women,
they actually relate to that a lot more.
You know what I mean? being showing that i'm being myself showing
the vulnerability coming up with some catchy stuff that
actually translates right take it in their room
no that's what's up like well before
we talk more on the business side i always ask

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my guests you know tell us about your basketball resume and
journey you know like i said if you had if you had an au program or
you know a couple that you were affiliated with you know you can mention
those you're talking about high school college whatever but
you know you feel free to give us your basketball story
man basketball man started i've at an
early age for me third grade but unlike most other

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cats man i i never played a okay i had
one year playing for a church league okay and
i was called the beacons in south sacramento if
you if you know if you from south sacramento you've been
at the church you've been a part of the beacons you know what i mean it's
sort of like it was a salvation army yeah but in the
south of course you know we all have places restarted like that mine was

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ymca ymca okay okay and and
yeah man the beacons was the only place i've ever played as far as you know
technically saying aau because we did play tournaments and things like that
right uh we traveled my my eighth grade going into freshman year we traveled
across country in a van nice played at different churches okay you know went
to new york and he came back but other than that man like.

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The politics was crazy man like you know around the time i was playing and i'm
not going to get into the right right and the third but man it's like if you
didn't have a certain name or.
You you couldn't necessarily afford it at that time it was like there was no
opportunity so for me coming up man a lot of those summers were just spent you
know you play your high school summer league ball but just in the lab you know

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what i mean playing street ball playing at
the gym yeah watching back then we watched film
you could record catch the old games go
back watch it study the
movements and just be outside trying to do whatever move
it is that i seen and and whatever movements mike was making back then penny
was making of course just just live on the basketball court you know what i

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mean played middle school at samuel jackman played at valley high school okay
came up the the the ranks i mean a lot of these kids It's like,
like I stayed away when I finished college ball, where I kind of left the game alone.
So this last five years has been the first five years back in basketball.
So everything to me is like, I'm learning, you know, I know what I know,

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but I'm still learning a new culture right now. It is different.
Oh, it's definitely different. And so, yeah.
The whole oh i didn't make varsity and they're
freshmen or they're sophomores i'm like okay okay
like you know what i mean that's not the end of the world did you
make the team right right okay oh you made
jv as a freshman hey that's great that's an accomplishment yeah okay now if

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you have to play freshman as a freshman bro that's your age right yeah you made
the team it is what it is just you have something to work towards you have some
some some skill set stuff that may need to be improved maybe your size you need
to get taller may need to get stronger.
Like they a lot of these kids think they fail because they don't play varsity and it's like.
That's not if that was the case there would be no freshman basketball there

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would be no JV exactly would only be varsity basketball so that that threw me
for a loop when you've already started to come back into the game but yeah play
freshman basketball Valley High School man JV basketball,
two years varsity okay so optimist team around that time all league we went
to the playoffs my My junior year hit ARCO.

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You know, that's how old it is. I remember ARCO days. ARCO days.
Senior year, we made the playoffs. We kind of had some turmoil on the team.
So we didn't do as—we started off really good, ranked in the city and everything else.
But as the year went on, things kind of happened. We lost in that second round to Jesuit.
I don't know if you remember Maurice Tyree. Maurice Tyree.

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Guys back in the day. Big guy back in the day. He was one of the guys back then.
But after high school, I ended up going to Morgan state back East and I red
shirted that year under Butch Beard, man.
And that, that literally changed everything for me, bro. Like accountability. Yeah.
Introduced to the weight room, you know, playing back East, which was a different,

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different Adam. Like, cause I played in Chicago.
Okay. You know, and even though I grew up in Oakland or whatever, but still it's like.
Mid midwest east coast ball is way different way different
than different out here way different like and they and
and you think we were soft out here compared to
how they're playing out there you know what i mean like oh yeah always touching

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grabbing bumping getting down for real like it but it was for me like like i
said it was a game changer because not only was i introduced the weights and
getting into the weight room but just that brand of basketball was like okay
this is how this is how it should be played like you know what i mean and so
when i came back unfortunately i got,
into some trouble out there you know young young young man

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not really making the right decisions you're not
the first you're not the last right right it happens and which is why with these
kids man i'm able to tell them you know the good and uh yeah bro and i don't
i don't hide nothing from them especially if they come and ask me about it keep
it real you know but i ended up coming back having to go to juco route okay
so i ended up going to crc okay balling out there for two

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nice and then getting a scholarship to seattle university and that
was what oh oh 405 when i
first went out there and man i
ended up being what number one scorer d2 era i
was out there score 44 career high several 30 point games the game just kind
of slowed down for me right and i had a i had a chip on my shoulder too like

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you know what i mean because okay i didn't get that d1 scholarship and i've
always felt like i could play at that level right you know what i mean,
and so i just man i had a chip on my shoulder like bro i'm here to prove.
Who i am and that sounds like you play this game oh no you know.
100 100 and that's the mindset that i try to explain to these guys man it's

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like you got to believe in yourself bro you you have to one put the work in
like nobody can force you to put the work in you're not gonna get you're not
gonna get better if you're not working if you if you're a a hooper or a basketball player,
I should be able to find you in everywhere that hoopers and basketball players are.
The gym, the weight room, somewhere playing pickup ball.

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You know what I mean? And that's your culture. That's who you are.
A lot of these kids try to shortcut it and not put the work in and just practice.
That's going to get them there. There's an analogy I use all the time.
And I took this from, I think it was, I think it was Simon Sinek or something.
I read books, right? So I'm big on that. I'm like, oop.
Yeah, so, but like, he said, and I think even Kobe said it.

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He said, you're at the base of a mountain and you're looking at the top.
But people forget there's a mountain, right? Like whether you're running up
it, walking it, climbing it, you still have to go up the mountain.
You know what I mean? And I think that's how, I think that's how kids look at
sports or basketball for sure.
Right. They look at where they're at and they see Steph Curry.

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Right. And they're like, well, I can be that.
But they're forgetting like there was a lot that man had to climb to get to
that. You know what I'm saying?
And that's kind of just, I think, I think that's the culture we fight nowadays.
You know what I mean? Like that instant gratification. Instant gratification.
Just building on what you're saying.
Like that's just kind of what I see it as. No, no, definitely.

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I call it the microwave culture. Yeah. You know what I mean?
We kind of grew up and played off the stove. Yeah.
You had to cook it up. You had to take your time in the kitchen.
A lot of street ball, a lot of concrete.
Yes. Playing with older guys. Yeah. You know what I mean? Going to the park,
not necessarily getting picked up. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Having to wait four or five games to get picked up.
Guys literally looking you off, passing you the ball. You know what I mean?

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You got to deal with it and fight through it. Man, what? And then go back to
that same park and prove yourself day after day.
Might have one good day, and then now that you had a good day,
when you come back, they're like, oh yeah, I remember your head,
come on, come on, come on with us.
And then that's how you get your stripes. And then that's how you build on your confidence.
And that's how your game grows. Nowadays, it's like.

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I don't know man i see these like open runs and things like
that and everybody's just buddy buddy being cool and
all right i'm not a fan of that either bro right and then and
they play their competition right and it's like
this is an opportunity for you to to kind of
establish yourself and and let these dudes know you
can't mess with yes why aren't you taking advantage

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of that you know what i mean great because when you do it there
when y'all have your jerseys on and it's time to tip the
ball like they don't remember that right they're gonna be
timid they're gonna be scared you already got the mental game one you
know what i mean they don't approach it that way no they don't man
all right like well circling
back with with well this was

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leading into the next question i was going to ask you so with a you right your
perspective on it and again you're not you're not like an au coach or just just
for those that don't know of course well just so you guys understand his coaching
background and whatnot he's a coach at a cosumnes river college you know It's
a Juco out here in Sacramento, right?
Was this your first year doing it or? No, no. I've been actually the same year

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I started training is the same year John reached out to me. Okay, good.
Yeah, the same year he reached out to me. So you're seeing the evolution,
and we'll get more into that too, but you're seeing the evolution of the transfer
portal and the effects it's having, which is another reason I'm glad you're
here because you can talk about it from your perspective.
But so I always ask this question pretty much to all my guests is like typically

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the first question, you know.
In the AAU culture, the AAU basketball culture you currently see right now?
Just from you, I think you're primarily more of an observer because you're not coaching in it, right?
100%. But what do you see as the pros and cons?
What is your overall take out of it? I think the pros, if you're on a legit

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or in a legit program playing on a legit team, like you get access to certain coaches,
play in front of certain coaches, you may get opportunities that may not be
available with your high school team.
That's the main thing that sticks out to me. The network that seems to be out
there in AAU, if you know the right people, make certain phone calls and get

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you in front of certain people, that's a huge bonus.
The cons, I think there's honestly, for me, there's more cons than pros.
And I could be wrong, obviously. Yeah, like I said.
But there's no development because it's win, win, win.

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You know what i mean like so i'll watch a kid who struggles in one area during
the high school season and i'm like bro you you probably want to get in the
lab and just really work on your game and improve your game but they'll jump
right into a you and it's right back to practicing.
Games all weekend oh i'm too tired to to train i'm too tired to go work and

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it's not like come train with me that's not even what i'm saying you know what
i mean put in some work you have
to go put some work in in the lab you still like you
have flaws you know what i mean and you're not even addressing the
flaws that you have now you're expecting this a
you run is gonna hide those flaws or make those flaws
disappear and it's just not how that works not how that works and
and from what i'm able to see and i'm not going to say

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every single program but a lot of these programs don't have the staff to develop
or the time to develop because if they're running multiple teams and they have
you know what i mean and they have multiple responsibilities bro they won't
have the time right to break everything down and i don't think also to take it a step further.
A lot of programs from and i'm just a local area a lot of the programs i don't

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feel like they deal with the high school coaches that's true i agree because
the high school coaches are going to be able to give them information on on
you know what this player may need to improve and then you know I'm hoping they
would take that and try to implement it.
And I think trainers the same way. Trainers don't tap in with the coaches or
the trainers take offense to high school coaches, you know, giving them some

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advice, which is weird. I think it's a weird divide.
And I've talked about that on this show. And, you know, you give me your two cents on that one, too.
But it does seem like there's a weird silent war between trainers,
coaches, trainers, high school coaches, AAU coaches.
It's a weird silent war, you know. and I don't I don't participate in it honestly

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like I have great relationships with a lot of high school coaches but again this is.
Maybe it's just unique to me. I'm just the type, you know, I don't mind reaching
out. That's why you're here on the show.
I reached out to you. You know what I mean? Like, I don't mind trying to extend
the olive branch to people.
I don't, I don't have that type of ego, you know? So like I,
on my set, just for example, my 17 year old, like I said, played today.

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I got a kid, got a kid from Kazunas Oaks. We already talked about Kendall.
I got a kid named CJ. He goes to a private small school, just happened to come to my child.
Kid's great stud. I got kids from Grant.
So me and Denard have always had a good relationship. I got a kid from Inderkum.
Me and Mike Holloway have a great relationship.

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Clark from Ponderosa sent me kids. Like, but again, I talk to these guys.
We talk on a first name basis.
I sit on the phone with them, talk basketball for hours and just,
you know, I'm, I'm congratulating these guys when they're doing well in playoffs.
And I'm, and I've genuinely consider them friends, you know what I'm saying?
But again, it all, I know a lot of that spark because I reached out to them

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and it's because I, again, I just wanted them to know, like,
look, I'm tell me what, tell me what you want me to work on your kids here.
I'll tell you what I see. I'll tell you what we've been working on and hopefully
it comes back to you better. Right.
I don't know if a lot of AU programs do that, but, and again,
I just know that's something I do, but it is some weird, like war going on sometimes
between the three chapters, if you want to call it.

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I mean, it's for me, I think it's, it's, it's like a, it's an ego thing,
man, because Because you, I'm like
in a, I'm in a different type of space because I do personal training.
Yeah. I coach at a JUCO level, which requires me to recruit on top of everything.
And so like, for instance, I'll, I'll, I'm in again.

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And when I reach out to guys, it's funny because I'll reach out to local trainers
who I'm like, okay, this kid works out with such and such.
And so I'll reach out to the trainer and.
And like instantly, it's like a it's like an ice wall, like like I'm trying
to poach their client or something.
It's like, but but as player development trainers, bro, you're supposed to be

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the point of contact where I can, you know, reach out. Hey, you know, I was this kid.
What does he struggle with or
how do you feel? Has he talked to you about where he may want to play at?
You know, what what are his ambitions? Like those are questions you should be
able to answer and you should want to answer because you're you're a player development trainer.
You're a player development coach like and and
that's weird to me that that guys take that take

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that stance and then when i do talk
to head coaches like i actually i the head
coaches for high schools it is a better better conversation
than it is with trainers because they understand the whole recruiting aspect
and and we talk real basketball right we're able to to to go over certain situations
which you being a juco coach i think that they understand that transition my

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future you know what I'm saying yes and they and they actually like like high school coaches.
Refer guys to me just for the business side of things
because they we have that relationship and I can put them in situations of their
specific offense and where they were struggling and trying to help improve our
shooting percentage in certain areas and things like that yeah two to three

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dribbles maximum not having them pound the ball a million times because it translates right you.
Everybody wants some sort of credit.
We're human. You know what I mean? Let's be realistic. You know what I mean?
Right. But a lot of these guys, I think a lot of these guys never were the men in any situation.

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And this for them right now is their road to glory.
Right. And it shouldn't be like that, man. It shouldn't. when
when you as a coach and a trainer what would
you say your style is like you know i speak for
myself i'm a tough coach you know i'm a tough coach i'm
a pusher with my coaching training i

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want to say i'm actually more cerebral i'm i'm more you know i'm always in my
opinion i'm always encouraging obviously that's subjective right some of my
kids might be oh hell no coach chris crazy but but even in training i'm always
like come on you got this keep going keep going Like I know you tired pick your
head up keep going keep going right so,
You know, what would you think or what if you're on the outside looking in at yourself?

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What would you say your style? It's what do you think you know you do out there?
I'm a motivator. You know what I mean? I'm gonna I'm gonna get you to maximize
your potential I'm gonna get you to believe in yourself.
Okay, I'm gonna get you to run through that wall good Don't feel like you can run through that wall.
I Rarely yell right, you know what I mean?
Yeah, like like even coaching wise a training wise I don't yell at all because

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for me in in training it's like.
Bro, I don't I shouldn't have to yell at you. Let's pick it up. Right.
Like, OK, no, we'll do this over and over. We'll stay right here at this drill for the entire hour.
Right. Until you're able to get it. You know what I mean? But at the same time,
I'm going to motivate you to get it done. I'm not going to give up on. Right.
But coaching wise, coaching wise, I'm an assistant coach.

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So. Right. So, again, I'm not going to be doing all the screaming,
all the yelling. I'm going to make sure we.
When you're an assistant coach, you get to be the good guy. right right
and but but i don't even even because i'm going
into my fifth year and i'm starting to get the edge to be a head
coach i'm starting to kind of figure and develop my style
i don't i wouldn't i wouldn't yell okay you

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know what i mean like i just personally because i'm the type of person that
you kind of yell at me you know
i'm gonna be receptive but like it's like hold up
right right who are you talking to fine line yeah
like like chill bro like you know i get it like because you can
talk to me a certain way and and i'll i'll
pick the message right you know what i mean and i'll get what needs

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to be done done and i think a lot of these kids respond
to that a lot more at least through my my experience i'm able to get more out
of them you know what i mean a little more understanding and and now if it's
something i'm repeating four or five times all right bet get on the line right
i don't right i don't even gotta yell to say that let's hit that line exactly
let's get these 17s out there that's good and that's good because that's a unique.

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Nuance that i watched nick coach nick from
b-ball breakdown he he made a segment a while back
kind of talking about that because it was this one might
be two or three years ago it was it was a marsh madness uh tom uh
coach iso you know michigan jay and everyone knows tom iso is right you know
he's the same cut of that bobby knight without the the extra yeah right right

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but like he was getting on a player and you know like super getting on him like
they look like you know he He ready to run up on them type of stuff.
And Nick's take was like.
You know, I don't think that's necessarily the best approach.
And then even NBA players are chiming in because you had guys like Steven Jackson
were like, no, that's real coaching.
And then you had other guys that were like, no, that's too far.
Right. You know what I mean? So you saying that with you, like you said,

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you're more of a going to be more of a calm, you know. Right.
I'm a break. You down. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean?
That's that's that's a good nuance.
You know what I mean? Because because I would say for me.
Yeah, I'm more of a I have. I'm a Tom Izzo-ish type. I don't think I go that far.
But, you know, yeah, I'm the type of guy I'm trying to light a fire under, you know, right?

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So, and each coaching style I think is needed and is valid. You know what I'm saying?
My thing is you can be tough.
Like that first year at Morgan State, I played for Butch Beard.
Yeah. Like, and bro was a monster.
Like, you know what I mean? Like, he literally, like, the way that I got put
in the weight room, bro, he called me out in front of everybody.

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Man take your skinny ass and go
get in that rate room you know what i mean it's like nah coach i got it
right if you don't take your skinny ass in that weight room right
now but like you said but changed it you
know what i mean so i'm not saying that that approach is is wrong it's not it
wouldn't be my approach but like as long as you're building the guys back up

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and not just breaking them down completely because some some i've seen guys
just get broken down bro confidence Confidence gone, spirit gone. Right.
And just gone. You know what I mean? And it's like, I think we should never
do that, like tearing them down because you can't put that back together.
If you break it down. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You can always build that back

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up. Right. You know what I mean? No, I know 100% what you mean. So then with that.
Well, we can go, that's what I want to segue into. So with, with the college
portal and, and I, I did a video on this that went,
I guess my opinion is semi-viral, but I know I'm not the only one saying it,
you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people being more vocal,

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you know, holding their phones and just saying stuff.
And then, and I like it. I like this age in which we live in where people could
give their opinions. Now, do I agree with every opinion? Hell no.
But I, I don't mind people having one, right? Right.
But I overall said, you know, the new D1 is going to be like,
you know, D2 and Juco basically, because it's for high school kids and this

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namely for high school kids.
Right. It's just it's so hard as a high school kid to really get to that D1
level right off the bat, because it's like you said, we're in a microwave culture
where things got to happen now. They got to have it now.
We can't wait two, three, four years and hope, hey, you work out.
And it's just, it's not that. Those coaches get fired. Yeah, right.

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They have families that rely on that paycheck.
Shout out to Coach Hendricks, you know, Demonte Hendricks at San Jose.
Like, we were on my Instagram Live talking about it.
He was like, yeah, I'm looking at a portal kid first. I have to.
I just did to keep my job. Like, you know, for us to have a job.
And so I'm just saying for you at the JC level, Or are you seeing,

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like, because I want to say, because of, like, when we talk,
when you played at Kasunas, I was here at that time.
So I know I had to have seen you play at that time.
But at that time, it was some really good JUCO teams.
You know, you had, you know, Boubillon and AR.
Yeah, AR. And who was I forgetting at Sac City at that same time?

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Victor Nance was over there. Yeah, exactly.
Like, just some really, really talented guys. and it was really competitive
you know even before boobion it was palmer yeah and it's like,
i feel like juco's going back to that
to a degree you know what i mean is it kind of looking like that on your end
or what what's your take so transport and all that stuff so so the transfer

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portal for me in my opinion has brought reality has brought some sense of reality
back to some some of these parents, these players.
Because three, four years ago, or even when I started five years ago,
I would recruit certain kids and they're like, no, I'm going D1.
And it's like, you don't, I believe that you can work your way up.

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You can put in the work and definitely play at that level, but you're not ready for D1 right now, bro.
You don't even put in enough work to think that you can do that.
I don't think the kids realize the difference in the bodies.
You know what I mean? I always challenge a kid,
Go to these levels you think you can play at. Right.
Like, we have a D1 not too far from here. It's called Zach Stank.

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Go to a game. Right. Right.
We have a D2 now down the street with William Jessup. Right.
Like, go to a Juco game. Go to a D1 game. Go to a D3 game.
Like, and you really honestly tell me if you think your body is up to par like
that. Be better students.
That's part of it. They weren't even being realistic students of the game.
You know what I mean? I mean, I remember watching varsity being like, damn, I play varsity?

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You know what I mean? I'm going to have to get a lot better.
And again, the transfer portal to me just brought a reality like,
you're not ready for that, bro.
Now it may be because of how recruiting is going to go, but realistically now
those coaches are really, they don't have to take a chance on you. No, they don't.
They don't, you know what I mean? The potential of you panning out to be something,

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like I said, it could definitely be, but it ain't going to be there.
Yeah. They don't have to waste the time. They don't have to.
They don't have to. And I think it just benefits every level below that as well.
D2 has gotten better. D3 is getting better.
NAI has gotten better. Now, they've always been tough anyhow.
Right. But they're just that much more tougher. You know what I mean?

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And Juco, Juco is always it's a dogfight. Yeah, this could be your last two
years of playing basketball.
You know what I mean? And if you're one of the guys or girls who really want
to get that four-year scholarship and continue to play, you know that JUCO's a grind.
You know that ain't nothing sweet about this. And it's actually probably a little
more tougher because you don't have all the amenities that most college basketball players have.

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You know what I mean? And depending on where you go….
You may be sharing a facility with seven other sports, playing on the most dustiest broken court.
And, of course, like Last Chance U really highlighted, you know,
kind of I guess you could say the more grittier grind of it.
Because I was talking to James, my buddy, he's the head coach at Treasure Valley Juco.

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Yeah. And, you know, they have like dorms and they got nice situations,
beautiful campus, things like that.
So, true, every JC is in that grind and struggle. But I would say for sure cuz
in California and I could be wrong But I think I think with there's like 90
juco's out here or something like that.
There's a it's like a hundred years I want to say one hundred and thirty shit.

(31:59):
Well, I was all 30 and I don't most if not all of them have basketball teams.
Yeah. Yeah and so that's why I'm like you know You know, and I try to,
and I don't think people realize outside of California how big California is, you know what I mean?
Like, and I'm trying to tell the kids, realistically, most of you guys,

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especially if you're a California kid, most of the time you're going to play
college out here anyway, right? Right.
So, you know, understand, like, you need to go to these games.
You need to see it, you know, go to, in our area, we're lucky enough to have
six JUCOs in the vicinity.
Right. Right. And I think that's a very unique thing to where we live. Right.

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Because even in the Bay, you really get like to write merit and Alameda.
Right. So but out here, you know, you got six and a lot of the kids sometimes
I think, like you said, years ago would dismiss it.
Oh what come on now like the it
it what was funny to me and it's like again
being a trainer coach and still

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a hooper you know even at this age you that never leaves
you know what i mean especially if you can still oh man oh man right come on
now the ball gets out there we finna play right at least one game you know what
i mean but like even if i put my like i would i would have to i'd look I looked
at kids from the Hooper mindset and like, I didn't tell them this,

(33:27):
but I would think, and I'm just like, bro, you're not that good.
Like you would have problems with me right now. So what do you think you're
gonna run into, you know, when you run into this other 18, 19,
20 year old or 26 year old at the level, right?
And who's hungry and who wants it, who athletically can still compete at that level, like.

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Bro, this ain't no game. Like, you know what I mean? This ain't finna just happen like that.
Like, and they thought it would. Like, it was so funny how they would frown
at it, you know, and then as years go on and kind of seeing some of the guys
and, you know, they're like, man. Like you said, humble themselves.
Yeah, like, man, Seals, you kept it real. And, like, that's what I pride myself
on, bro, like keeping it real because I've been a hooper that's been kind of

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told something that didn't come to fruition, you know what I mean?
And so like when i'm recruiting or
if i'm training like bro i'm being 100 honest and even
when i'm saying i believe you can do this i believe i'm being
honest you know what i mean like i'm i'm not gonna say something
that i don't believe right you know what i mean oh yeah you're
a d1 player i'm not telling you that if you don't really

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if i don't see that yeah and then like having the
the luxury of being able to talk to some division one coaches
and be friends with some division one coaches they've helped me
really understand oh this is
what we're looking for in a division one guy so even though
you think like okay this guy's killing and he's this and that
he's still not a division one guy right you know what i mean and

(34:56):
that's another reality that like kids need to understand yeah it's a different
brand of basketball being played at that level man when and when when you talk
to like i said when you because of course you're gonna have relationships with
those coaches When you're talking to those d1 coaches d2 that things like that
What would you say are like the top two or three things?
They're always looking for I guess outside of grades I know grades not great.

(35:19):
It's picked up short outside of grades grades and being a good person Okay,
right being a good person, but their motor.
Mm-hmm their basketball IQ Okay, and then just their their ability to produce.
Okay with and without the ball, right and.
You know what I mean? With and without the ball because you may be trying to
get to that level and the ball's not going to always be in your hands.

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You're right. You know what I mean? You may be coming off the bench.
You may only be playing 13 minutes a game, 14 minutes a game.
How are you going to produce in that 13 to 14 minutes? I tell my kids that.
When I coach, I talk efficiency.
I'm always talking efficiency, efficiency, efficiency.
I'm like, you play for me, you're going to play. I'm not going to. I don't have.
I tell the kids, I don't have decorations on my bench. You're going to play.

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Right. but whether you play, you know, if it's 40 minutes in a game,
whether you play, you know, 31 minutes or you play 17 minutes or you play six
minutes, like gauge your efficiency in that time.
Don't just fixate on the amount of time because you never know when it's going
to be your day to run 30 minutes and you never know what's going to be your

(36:23):
day to run 10 minutes and your day to run six minutes.
It's a, it's a, always a fluid thing that's shifting. Right.
But again, I'm lucky enough. I get the kids young and early,
you know, the parents and I can have these conversations.
Unfortunately, like we said, there's only as so many kids I'm going to be able to reach.
Right. Right. So, and, and, and some don't agree with me, right.

(36:45):
They go, Oh, you just a hater or using, and then they leave bounce these other
programs, whatever the case maybe it's just part of the part of the package
with um in the training side do you think at times.
Because i because again i train as well right right i this
is my approach when i do my training i try to split it you

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know by like 15 20 minute segments and what i
mean like that and then so we we we always start out
with our ball handling warm-ups work up a sweat get them dribbling the
ball right and then from there we do what i
call my burst drills where we do a lot of dribbling you know
attacking the basket dribbling you know get shots up i'm
where they're doing a couple series of moves but they're choosing

(37:26):
the shot they're getting fluid with it from there
i'll say the next 10 to 15 minutes are typically
game scenario drills where i'm having them do v cuts
and then attack the basket or v cut catch and shoot or
pick and roll you know pass it cut somewhere relocate
catch the ball you know those type of things then 10 15 minutes like i'll take
them to the plyo room or we're working ladder drills speed agility you know

(37:49):
maybe some type of defensive work then from there like finishing things like
that and then typically some live stuff whether it be one on one three on three two one two whatever.
I know someone talked about this. I can't remember what Instagram reel it just
popped up, but it may, I found it as an interesting question. I was curious your take.

(38:09):
They were saying, you know, and a lot of training nowadays, the,
the, the kids just have the ball for the entire hour. They're just doing too much like in my bag work.
Right, right, right. Do you kind of see that as a trend or do you see it's more
balanced? I'm just curious your perspective on it.
No. Yeah, I definitely see that a lot of it.
And a lot of the stuff that they're teaching is, is isolation.
You know what I mean? break down which i think you

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have to you have to teach that as well but but like
when for me like i always say real basketball yeah
real basketball is back in style like i'm starting to notice a lot of people
teaching the other things coming off of screens you know moving without the
ball setting screens you know what i mean coming off a pin down coming on going

(38:53):
off the v cuts yeah and so i I incorporate that.
Now, like, we'll definitely get in our bag at times. Right, right.
But even when we're getting in our bag, there's no wasted dribbles.
Yeah. We're not taking seven dribbles in one spot to set up a move because that's not realistic.
Right. You know what I mean? You'll mess around and get parked doing that.
Yeah. You know what I mean? You'll be sitting down and you're like,

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wait, no, this is what I work on.
And coach is like, no, the ball is stuck in your hands. Right.
Like, we ain't even getting no movement. Yeah. And you're in the same spot.
Like, you got to sit down, bro. You're not creating for me. You're not doing anything.
Mm-hmm. And, and the main thing for me is just real basketball stuff.
That's going to translate tacking downhill, attacking spaces, getting to areas.
And you know what I mean? Where like, let's just say for instance, we'll, we'll warm up.

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We'll do our initial warmup. Then we'll do some ball handling stuff and the
ball handling stuff in the warmup that all, that all incorporate is going to
be what we're going to go into during the training.
So it's like building on it. It's building.
Right. And in those that whatever we're building on will be in different areas of the court.
OK. Right. And out of that move or one move to move or get a counter,

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we'll get another counter.
You know what I mean? And we'll figure out how to get into it in transition.
So that way, what what I hope and what what what I expect is when you get put
in these situations during the game, the body just goes to autopilot.
OK. You know what I mean? Because it's reactionary. Right. Like,
yeah, we're going to, you're going to, I'm going to say a tween at this cone behind the back here.

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But in the game, it's going to be reaction. You may go tween and you don't need
to go behind the back. We got a layup. Or we go tween and we get to that spot.
We got to our area of operation. We pull that jump shot.
You know what I mean? And I just hope that the more consistency you have,
the more you get put in those scenarios, it just turns into autopilot. No.
You know what I mean? No, 100%. It's like.

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I try to always break things down numerically, right? I'm an analytics guy.
So I tell the kids, I say, listen, the biggest, and this is college,
because it's on Synergy, right?
I was talking to Ted about this and all that and Brandon, but I got a coach
Barnes at Bakersfield, but we were talking about this stuff.
Just saying, you know, the highest percentage scoring, and this was in the NBA.

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We were looking up just the NBA stuff, because obviously the kids want to mirror
the NBA so much. the biggest percentage for all NBA teams to score was catch and shoot.
That was the big, like, from the weakest team to the best team.
That's the percentage. So I tell the kids, if you really at least want to get
at least the cornerstone of, like, what could a college potentially need me

(41:31):
to do to score, I say be great at catch and shooting.
And that starts with, and, like, just to kind of piggyback off of that,
Like that goes with working on, on moving into certain windows,
being ready to shoot the ball as that ball's being passed to you,
being able to find laces without looking at it, finding the rim,
all fluid motion, which,

(41:52):
which in, in my training, we, we definitely incorporate, you know what I mean?
Because it's it's certain skill sets
that will make you more valuable you know what i mean there's certain
roles that'll make you more valuable and like the
group training is one thing right but when we get to our individual training
that's where a lot of that stuff gets incorporated because i'll know your offense

(42:13):
it's only you like i require you like bro what offense do you run right what
areas do you frequent you know what i mean it's good give me some film yeah you know
what i mean like because it's it's my job to help
you get better at that like i'm not gonna just put you
in random situations that you're not even gonna do right now during your high
school season a spring and summer will add to our bag for sure we'll go in different

(42:38):
scenarios and situations but during the season you're coming to me for individuals
during the season it's to get you better for that season for your team right
now you know what i mean and i tell these dudes all the time.
Like, okay, you come to me once, twice, you should be doing this on your own.
You can call your boy, you know what I mean? Your teammate, like the stuff that

(42:59):
we're doing right now, you should be doing this on your own as well and adding to it.
But that's where they lack as students, you know, and that's where I think improving
their mentality as becoming better students, it has helped like at least the
guys that have come consistently to me, guys and girls that have come consistently to me,
it's allowed them to make all league and improve their scoring average

(43:22):
in their shooting percentages because i challenge you to be better bro
like no i don't just watch highlights yeah post
your highlights for sure right live it
up you know what i mean i'm i'm not again i'm not enjoying the
moment of course i'm not against none of that find the hardest track you
feel put the music on there bro have at it but that's not it right you know

(43:43):
what i mean just understand that there's a lot more to it and i challenge them
in that way like okay well how'd you do last game and i already know how they
did right because i look at the stuff before they come right how'd you do last
game uh i did all right well what'd you shoot,
i don't how you don't know right so you
you're not paying that much attention right to everything you
know what i mean and when you start to challenge them that way and some of them

(44:05):
get it some of them take a little longer to get it but it helps them man like
i think that's ultimately should be our goal is to help them become better students
and i think we our age group we were forced to be students at the game.
You know what I mean? I still have an old VHS, a pistol P tape.
Come on, bro. I still have those types of things, man. That's how my mom's,

(44:28):
I still have those types of things. Oh, come on.
And you go outside and you would do it. Like you literally do it. You know what I mean?
And like, I tell them all the time, like they don't play enough.
Yeah. Like training's one thing. Like,
training's cool right training's definitely going to help in
in in y'all generation right now you have access to
a lot of guys who've done it so that's a bonus but

(44:49):
that still doesn't take away from going to play and just playing the
game and learning and getting a feel for it come on man i will go
work on something for for a few hours and i
don't care who's at the gym it could be the bums you know you know yeah the
week all right i'm finna get this off on them right right you know what i mean
working on something now i'm working on something so then when i play against
Against guys who may have the same talent level or may have a higher skill set,

(45:14):
I'm able to get my stuff off.
I know my body. I know what I'm able to do. I know what I'm not able to do.
A lot of them don't even know what they can and can't do.
And like you said, Will, that's the argument that's going on right now.
I shared that NBA video with the commissioner talking about the NBA is more
focused on the youth side now.

(45:35):
I think you've seen it too. And that is kind of become the thing like,
because again, at this point, what, 30% of the league is import players,
you know, and you kind of seen this trend of import players.
I mean, who knows 20, 30 years from now, they might be half of the league.
Right. And we're the origin of basketball. Right.
But the difference is in those other countries, they are more about practicing

(46:00):
and doing the fundamental. They again practice practice five six days a week,
right? Right and only play two games one game.
That's what the fundamentals lack Yeah, like regard like it and again,
we came up in the and one mixtape era So yeah got we was getting in our bag
and everything else too But like we knew the fundamentals and the skill set is so much better.

(46:22):
I Again, I'm a Michael Jordan fan.
I'm uh, yeah, you call me old head. I still don't care. He's better than brawn, but like no.
I can look, though, at the body of work and acknowledge that these kids get
their skill sets and their abilities so much quicker, so much better,

(46:43):
so much faster. Right, right.
But like you said, what I think is a lack of fundamentals and understanding of learning.
Right, right, right. And it could be a combination of multiple things.
I think it's AAU programs that aren't doing it right.
Right. I think it's parents that are looking for that instant gratification.
They're just looking, they're trophy chasing. Right.

(47:04):
And I think, yeah, in the social media aspect, and that's a whole nother animal,
but yeah, even trainers though, even, I mean, certain, I'm not going to say
every train, but even trainers, like you have to do the boring stuff.
Yes. You have to do the boring stuff, bro. And if you, if you've done it.
How do you not incorporate the boring stuff? If, and the only way I say you

(47:26):
don't incorporate it is when you're in it for the wrong reasons,
when you're in it for the, for the money or you're in it for the fame,
it's like, you're going to go with what's hot.
You're going to continue to go what's hot and get away with it for as long as you can.
But like, when you really care about these kids getting better,
you care about the game of basketball, you can't skip the fundamentals, bro.
And it's the boring. And that's, it's funny. Cause we all preach this.

(47:49):
You can go to, you know, know no chill guild to
any you know matt barnes steve
you go to any of these podcasts any of these nba player what kg
and paul pierce any of them haslam jj reddick
and we all saying the same thing like fellas kids we didn't get here by doing

(48:09):
the flashy stuff you guys see we had to go through the boring steps right you
know boring drills paid yeah yeah man and it's so crazy to me because Because
it's like, yeah, in my training sessions,
you know, especially for my kids that can't shoot very well,
you know, yeah, we're going to take five to ten minutes form shooting right in front of the rim.
Yeah, it's old school born shit. Right. But guess what? You're going to be a

(48:30):
better shooter doing this. Yeah. You'll learn how to shoot better.
And it's reps. Reps on reps on reps. I'll have like there'll be certain just
an hour of shooting to where they're like, they'll hit me the next day.
Coach, my arms hurt. Right.
Yeah, you were shooting. You're building muscle memory like that. That's what it takes.
You think that dude, Steph, can shoot how he shoots? They think he just woke up like that.

(48:53):
Bro, it's so tough doing what he does. He doesn't even get enough credit right
now for what he does, in my opinion.
And what's crazy is what's inevitably going to happen, and you can kind of see
the trend, is I would say 20 years from now, 30 years from now,
there's going to be like 20 kids who could do what Steph did.

(49:13):
Because because you know the next generation emulates the previous right and it's like,
we we will have remembered the origin of that right but for them they'll look
at steph and be like yeah he was good but he couldn't do it like this and it's
like you don't understand he was the first to do this like he changed the game

(49:35):
like that's how it always goes right that's how it always,
I laugh about that, like 20,
30 years from now, what basketball will evolve into,
what the next generation of kids are going to say, you know,
I feel like I'll be coaching and training forever.
Like how will I evolve as a coach and a trainer, right? It's always these funny

(49:56):
questions I'm always thinking about.
What do you think of, and this before we move on to the other stuff,
but what are your thoughts on the basketball culture of Sacramento?
Because, you know, and again, I know you have your input.
That's part of this show. That's why we say about that life.
I want your honest opinion, good and bad. You ain't got to throw nobody under the bus.

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But, you know, again, I think there's a lot of good, but there is a lot of bad.
I agree with you. It's just kind of a mixed bag. it's man
it's it's it's a lot of it's a
lot of bad in the sense of like the
politics like it's unnecessary politics
at times in my opinion and again

(50:41):
i'm not in the aau world so i i can understand how
certain programs you have to if it's a business right you
have to like that's that's what it's a business you have you
have to market your business you have to produce
a certain amount of success to to for
people to want to come to your business but i think like
the the the politics of

(51:02):
like holding kids back from from opportunity
yeah it's crazy like like bro if he if if if you offered a big mac at mcdonald's
and bro wants to go try to the big carl at carl's junior right right right like
let him try that you know what i mean like right let Let him try that.

(51:22):
It's an opportunity for him.
Like, and, and especially if like, I just feel like people have to be realistic with themselves.
If you can't put a kid in front of certain people, why stop them from being
able to go get put in front of certain people?
Because that's ultimately the goal. Right. Right. And, and, and I seen Sype

(51:44):
say it on the last, you know, their last episode. And it's something that I've said before as well.
It's like the kids can give you your credit. Yeah.
You know what I mean? And those that the individuals that follow basketball
and follow talented kids or kids in their upbringing, they'll know where things
originated and who they played for.

(52:04):
And it's just like, you know, we don't have to beat our chest.
We don't have to be front and center.
You know what I mean? Like it'll all come back to you. It'll all come back to
you, especially when you move in genuine.
Bro yes like that's what i've experienced like and and
word of mouth alone like when you invest in
these kids and you really help these kids parents are

(52:26):
gonna tell other parents and hoopers are gonna tell other hoopers you know what
i mean and you'll continue to flourish you know what i mean especially if you're
if you're genuine and you're doing real basketball stuff now if you're out here
in a microwave culture and you're being janky and you that's gonna catch up
to you you're right that's gonna catch up to you you know i mean your program's
gonna have a bad name yeah.

(52:47):
And I think it's bad in the Sacramento area with just chasing names,
want to be attached to a name rather than really building it,
helping build a kid who may not have that name, but the potential is there.
You know what I mean? They'll toss that kid to the side for a name and fly an amen.

(53:07):
But it's like, no, this kid's here working, wanting to get better.
But we overlook it. You know, we close the door on them.
You can't play here. yeah and it's like
why i thought this is i thought we're supposed to bring
these kids in and build these kids up now everybody ain't for
everybody no true you know what i mean everybody ain't for everybody i'm
realistic enough for that but like the politics

(53:29):
is crazy in sacramento and it's been like that
i remember the politics being like that again like i said when i
was younger right you didn't have a certain name at that time who was oh no
yeah they weren't giving you a shot you don't even get the opportunity at least
give give a kid opportunity you know what i mean before you close the door on
them i guess and i guess to play devil's advocate on the other side is like,

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because i can only use my life as an example and things like that it's like you know,
there's kids i've coached since they were like fourth grade fifth grade right right.
You know i could say one in particular i mean this ain't throwing him
under the bus it's just a good case in point example there's eli
willis he goes to whitney high school and there's uh mark
who's at rocklin high okay i i

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coached eli from i want to
say fifth grade until freshman year yeah right
so fifth fifth sixth grade yeah until freshman year so about at least three
four years invested right working with this child you know was i guess you could
say his first quote-unquote elite coach and introduced him to the higher level
basketball worked his way up now you know he's arguably you'll believe Whitney's best player,

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you know, 6'5", 6'4", 6'5", super athletic kid, you know, really,
really strong athletic wing.
He still has some of his flaws or whatnot, but it's clear he's going to play
college more, in my opinion. Right, right.
What's tough is, right, after freshman year, come back sophomore year,
you know, he just basically ghosts, right?

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I'm going to have a conversation with his mom after the fact,
after he kind of ghosted me and didn't necessarily like the way he left, right? Right.
And, you know, I'm fine. It's not like I hold any ill will towards him or whatever,
but, you know, it does kind of suck sometimes to see like, and,

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and the thing was, it wasn't like he left and he went to like the Nike YBLs
or the, you know, cause I'm on the Adidas circuit.
It wasn't like he, he went to the yellow jackets basically, you know,
which feels like an adjacent pro it's like, you just went across the street basically.
Right. and on our side of it on the side where it's like man you poured into

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this kid and stuff like that it does suck no it does suck you know what i'm
saying that's but do it but mark on the other hand.
He he kind of told me ahead of time had conversations with me prior to said
he was interested in playing for jaylen green elite which is on the 3sp they're
obviously sponsored by an nba player so and that's ultimately where he ended
up and i think this year now he's going going to play for the Oakland soldiers, the EYBL team. Okay.

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Okay. I get it. You know what I mean? Cause I'm not at that stage.
Like you just said, I'm not at this stage, but at least he gave me the courtesy
to have conversations with me to kind of talk to me to tell me,
he even, I mean, he even texted me recently.
He said, coach, you know, when I'm not playing with the soldiers or them,
I still would like to play for you in certain games and stuff.
And I said, yeah, but you still got to come to practice. Right.

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You know, there's things like that.
I just, I just use those two to illustrate that, you know, there's a,
there's a right way and a wrong way, obviously, but you know,
I, I still wish them both the best and I hope everything great happens for him. And me and Eli are cool.
There's no, there's no issue there or whatever, but did I, uh, at the time, uh.
Did it come across to me the right way? Of course not. You know what I'm saying?

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And that's where I say it's tough on the other side of it. You know what I mean?
And see, I mean, I can see, you know, I understand exactly what you're saying
or how you would feel that type of way.
But I think a lot of that, like, and I can't remember which kid,
but the kid that just ghosted you.
And I'm not saying that this program did that or anything like that.
But a lot of that be the politics where they're selling dreams.

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I got this. I got that. Yeah, yeah. You got to do this.
You gotta because i've i've i've asked people hey
can you help a certain kid yeah and they told me flat out
their mouth they gotta do everything i say oh and it's
like that's a little too much i wouldn't it's like
come on now that no but but but
but there are people like that you know what i mean and it's like i don't fault

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teenagers no we've been there yeah you know what i mean it's like i don't you
know i don't think they purposely try to burn bridges they They don't even understand
how networks work and trying to keep bridges, you know what I mean, so you don't burn them.
And I don't blame some of these parents either because the parents be naive
and they get soul dreams as well.
And then, you know, the thing is, is like, yeah, y'all are in a tough world.

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Yes. You know what I'm saying? We are. We just are.
It's tough because it's like you can invest all these years in a kid.
And I think just having the courtesy of saying, hey, coach, I'm going to go try this out.
Boom, boom. that's all i ask boom that that that to
me is 100 because any good coach or anybody who's
for you is not gonna stop any opportunity now when

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you just bounce and oh i see you somewhere else then it's like we're human right
we'll feel some type yeah you know i mean like what's up bro like how you know
that doesn't i can get that part of it but i think a lot of that when that happens
in just my opinion i think they get sold dreams man you know i agree and i and
i think that and i'm not saying And again,
I'm not saying that this wasn't your case, but they may be down talking you

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and pointing out all your flaws.
You know what I mean? I am very transparent on the show. And I will say it.
I know there's a lot of programs out there that down talk YBA.
They down talk me personally.
They say, you know, Marcus jokes with it with me all the time.
He's, you know, he's like, you want $2,500, $2,500.
You know, he jokes. But I'm like, y'all do the numbers. I'm the cheap end of

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high school YBA. Or not YBA, AAU.
I'm the cheap end. Like, you know, because,
Take into account the pandemic, inflation, like shit costs more. It just does.
Officials want to be paid more. The people working the door want to be paid more.
The scorekeepers want to be paid more. Like, where do y'all think that money
comes from? The revenue that's pulled in from you parents paying for your kid to play, right?

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And I budget it to where I'm on the lower end, right?
Because I understand that I'm dealing with working class families,
you know, and I want to give them a service that could help potentially help
their kid pay for higher education, right? Right.
And just and let them enjoy their dream, because me and you both know basketball relates to life.
Right. It just does. It helps us. It's helped us be the man to shape the men we are today.

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And so, yeah, it's it is a tough world.
It's just it's like it's a balancing act and you try to do your best.
But, you know, it's messy.
Yeah, it's I mean, in guys that like I never really because I mean,
when I like I said, I'm this whole five years, i've been away from the game
until 2019 where i started to get into it and invest in kids and,

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coach and learn about certain stuff and i just i've i've i've witnessed it all
yeah you know what i mean and i'm just like are you not a real one like it's it's you you can't like.
Basketball is basketball but weirdos are going to be weird you know what i mean
and it's it's It's a lot of weirdos that are involved in the game,

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which sucks because it's like, man, you're not even playing by the rules.
Well, and what's crazy is like, if you, if you tell the truth,
there's a thing like if I've, there's, cause there's been times people have
mentioned programs that they want to go to and things like that.
And because I'm so close with the families or something, I say,
look, I'm just telling you my opinion. I don't think that's a good idea. Right.

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Then it's like, you're flipped. It's like, like you're hating.
Yeah. And I'm like, I'm just telling you this because I love you.
I've watched you grow up. I just don't think this is a good idea.
But if you want to try it, I hope it works out for you.
Other programs will flip that like, oh, he just ain't no, he just want to hold you back.
He just want to, and I don't, I really make it a must to not bad mouth programs.

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I don't, I don't bad mouth programs. I say, listen, I don't know what they do.
I tell them I can only go off what I see on social media or something.
It looks like, you know, Rose City's on the Puma circuit.
It looks like Clutch Elite's on the Puma circuit. Control Chaos is on the Gold circuit.
And that's all I know. Like, that's really all I, to a degree,
know, I say. But, you know, I know looking at their schedule,

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Hey, they're doing a lot of flying to the Midwest.
So you better be ready to get some plane tickets. Like, you know what I mean?
Like, that's all, that's all I can tell you, you know? So I tell them,
people ask me, Oh, well, why'd you go with Adidas? All the tournaments in California.
That's it. That's really was the, the biggest pull for me is all the tournaments
in California, with the exception of Rock Hill in July, South Carolina.

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So, and in my opinion, most California kids are going to go to college in California.
California, especially JUCO. Right.
So to me, it was just a no brainer to say, okay, why don't I have them at the
events where they're most likely going to go to school?
And yeah, you know, you get the gear and all that good stuff that the kids love,
the shoes, the hardens, all that cool.

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But it's like, I, I don't speak on other programs.
You know what I mean? It's just not my place. You know what I mean?
And, and I know, well, like, like I said, for you being in the training world,
I learned about that early.
I learned about that early, early.
It's one thing to be an active hooper and compete.

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That's different. So you ask me about a player, he's weak. You know what I mean?
But that's basketball. That's basketball.
You know what I mean? I never understood tearing down another trainer to a kid.
Now, there's some bums training. Like, you know what I mean?
There's, there's some bumps training and they're teaching nonsense,

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but I'll never say that. Right.
You know what I mean? I'll never hate on his professional etiquette.
Right. Right. Because they're teaching what they feel.
And if you feel that that works for you, okay, cool.
Like my thing is like, I always tell people this. I don't, I don't care who you go to. Right.
Just one. Don't build bad habits. Mm hmm.

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And understand what's real basketball and that
still challenges you to be a better student right
you know what i mean to be like nah bro i'm
not doing this like you know what i mean this ain't gonna get
me nowhere this ain't helping me do nothing right and so then boom you may need
to go somewhere else because i'm i'm realistic especially with me like a lot
of the kids that come with me like if you look i don't have a million clients

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because i don't have i'm not a full-time trainer yeah and then on top of that
i coach so when we're in season yeah you ain't got
we got practice i got my own guys i gotta do player development for so we may
just go on sundays you know what i mean and so yeah you may need to go get some
work with somebody else but.
Make sure you understand what real basketball is yeah you

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know what i mean and parents ask me all the time what do you think about
such and such who yeah even if
i know him i act like i don't know right right yeah i i
don't know right because i've i've been in
a situation where i've said something and it wasn't even
what i meant and it just yeah and it
just was like oh my better just like whoa yeah just

(01:04:32):
stay out of it like like whoa like my like ted says he
said be switzerland just sit in your corner and
just be be cool bro i got i think my i
think after my second year training maybe my third
year training like certain because parents are
the problem too parents may not like
what they got over there and come and try to talk about

(01:04:53):
that trainer and it's like hey bro i don't gossip right
i don't really to keep it a buck but you don't even really care right you know
and sometimes they're like damn you're assholes like no i'm just here to do
my job i don't i don't i don't want no parts and none of that bro right like
i don't care who he used to be with oh he's coming to you now he used to be
with and all right bet cool i'm finna go back to training you know

(01:05:15):
what i mean like i'm finna go back to training we rocking we locked in i'm invested
hopefully y'all invested that's it i could care less about who or where he was
at right you know what i mean or why you left and why that's not my that's not
my place or my business because.
Again some of these guys end up being weirdos and it goes somewhere it doesn't
even need to go yes you know what i mean it doesn't even need to go there bro

(01:05:38):
just pipe down and do what you do I'm going to do what I do and let's just,
you know what I mean? Help this basketball community. I get it, man.
Because we all go, essentially, we're all coworkers to a degree.
We're going to run into each other. We're going to, it's like, let's just.
We're in the same field. Yeah. That's just like when recruiting,
like I'll never down talk another program. Yeah. For what?

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You know what I mean? Or you are more likely, and you correct me if I'm wrong,
I would suggest you, I would say your approach is probably the same as mine.
I just gonna explain what we offer and how we can benefit you and how yes,
you can benefit us, right? But That's it, right?
No, it's there is no point in me bringing up somebody else and tearing them
down that's just like again, like I I just operate in reality is like I,

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when I was single and everything else and you know, you meet a woman,
I'm not finna talk about like, you know what I mean? Like I'm not going to talk about brother.
Like I'm not going to tear him down just to get you like, you know what I mean?
But weirdos will do that.
I mean, and so it's like, you gotta understand. Right.

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And once I kind of, once I got that in this basketball world,
things have been a lot better for me.
And I just, I just stay in my lane. Right. All right. Stay in my lane.
Stay in my lane.
Well, switching gears, I want to talk NBA with you. Yep. Right?
Do you have currently an NBA team that's your favorite and an NBA player that's your favorite?

(01:07:04):
Lakers, for sure. Lakers, okay. You're a Lakers guy. You know what I mean?
See, you got some Lakers stuff here. I'm a Laker for life.
You know what I mean? So is LeBron your favorite right now? Hard.
I say it like that. Oh, look, look, look. But LeBron is a hooper.
Oh, no doubt. You can't take that away from him. No doubt. But,

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like, I'm a Kobe guy to the core.
And just, like, so when LeBron's not on your team, you can say all the stuff
that, like, you know, that's true.
But when he's on your team, like, he makes me mad at times.
You know what I mean? He makes me mad at times. But he does play basketball.

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He does. He does. he absolutely does he's
you can't deny his talent whether you got him number one number two number three
he's on the mount rushmore there's no for a couple man he's he's a boy he's
a boy for sure but it's just certain qualities that me as a fan me as a hooper
that i i kind of relate or want more,

(01:08:07):
out of my number one guy you know what i mean and and it's nothing it's no knock
on lebron but But yeah, you know, he stresses me out.
He for sure stresses me out. On the funny side of it, talking NBA, have you seen the guy?
I feel like this dude is going super viral. The we done with the 90s.
We done with the 80s. Yeah, I've seen that.

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I've seen that. What do you think of that overall, man? That dude is hilarious.
It's super funny. Like, it's super funny.
You can't i mean my bad no it's super funny but
like hey man like even looking
bro the jordan takes he finds he's like
you ain't got no left jordan don't let any and bro jordan
be looking like stress trash like he's having jordan looking

(01:08:51):
like trash but like but that's the thing is like everybody
is there's low lights yes come on there's low lights for
everybody everybody and just always on point like
that bro i saw some of their videos man he one
guy came on the book he said he said who is that who
is that it's like these dudes look like
they were in a 25 i was like bro

(01:09:12):
that's hilarious nah they're so funny because
um because it is this whole you know the
the the the young guys and us the
old heads you know talking it just it's
hilarious watching this little culture war right now and it's
like i just gonna always think that era was better i mean
you can catch from 1940 right they

(01:09:33):
got the best era and you'll look at something from 1940 like
what is that exactly and and
i was watching this one youtuber um i like he does a basketball analytics he's
a real good analytics guy but he you could tell he's he's really does does these
well thought out videos so he made a video responding kind of all this stuff
it was so good it's uh it's He's called JX High Roller is his name.

(01:09:59):
I suggest you all look that guy up. But yeah, he did a great breakdown of like,
he even illustrated like, so what he showed to kind of illustrate it,
he said, he said, greats from different eras did play in different eras and still had success,
which could logically conclude that they could like, for instance,
Washington Wizards, Michael Jordan.

(01:10:19):
Yeah. Like, was he, obviously he wasn't, you know, 90s Chicago Bulls Michael
Jordan, but he still was effective. He still was successful.
Then you go for, then they use Kobe Bryant as an example, you know, number eight Frobie.
Right. Right, into the new Kobe for the early 2000s, things like that.
So, they're like, we have seen players transition into new eras and still find success.

(01:10:43):
Right. Right. And obviously LeBron being the hugest case in point. Right.
So that's I just found that point interesting I think what I will say.
JJ Redick had said on his podcast what I would like to see as far as rule changes
in the NBA maybe you could tell me what you would think too is I want them to

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take away the defense of three seconds,
I think, you know, back in the day when you had the Shaquille O'Neals that could
just plant in there, the big seven-foot guys that were there just to hack you
if you made it to the basket.
Yeah, they had to make that to kind of get the lanes attacking.
But because the game is so skilled and pretty much, I mean, everyone has to

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have the capability of shooting the three, you know, and you have to be so spaced out.
I think what'll help because because this is the biggest complaint for you know,
looking from the media side critically thinking is Everyone's like,
you know, you can't play defense anymore.
You can't handshake. You can't touch them It's so offensive centric,
you know, you look at the all-star game 200 something point,

(01:11:49):
you know It's like no you can't you're not even in games and I've been really
allowed to play defense anymore to really let's say the playoffs We're gonna
let it get a little more physical.
So JJ said Why don't we take back the three seconds in the key?
Right what do you think that would be a good idea or
bad idea i mean it i think it would help like i
think it would help it challenge the the

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offensive players just to give defense right you know a chance again you know
an opportunity i i would like to see i mean i the defense of three seconds is
something that i mean if you wanted to keep it i just would i would want to
see the hand checking yeah yeah you know what i mean because it offensively
you you you still would have the
ability to get your stuff off. You just got to be a little more physical. Yeah, exactly.

(01:12:32):
You got to know how to create space a little better. You got to know how to
hold your line and pound that dribble.
Right. Being low, which a lot of these kids struggle with doing.
Yeah. I think that right there would change a lot.
You know what I mean? Because even with that whole, you know,
you coming off the pick and boom, you instantly stop to pull up the three. Yeah.
Right. You know, defense is at a disadvantage. Yeah, very much so.

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And I get it to a degree because what I even try to tell the kids,
it's entertainment. It's entertainment.
It's entertainment, bro. You still have to keep that in mind.
The college level, you can sit in the key. You can sit in the key. You can run zones.
You can, you know, like Gilbert Arena said, your bag don't work against a zone.
What are you going to do against a 2-3? Come on, man. Like, that doesn't work

(01:13:16):
anymore. You get two or three dribbles, bro, and that defense shifts.
Every dribble you take, especially if you're one of the top scorers on your
team and a lot of attention being focused on you.
Like a lot of these kids don't even understand the scouting report.
No, they don't. They don't. Which is wild.
But it's on us to kind of teach it and help. And I think like even.
I wish that, and I don't know with AAU, but like there's so many games and everything.

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You don't have the opportunity to teach that type of stuff.
I, what I will say what's worked for me is I get my kids at a very early age.
I try to keep them together.
You know, ideally I want to coach my kids from fifth grade till they graduate
high school. That's ideally.
Right, right, right. But, you know, as well as I do, somebody's in their ear influencing this way.

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Or the Oakland Soldiers are like, oh, Chris got a really good kid.
To you know buy like you know that happens along the path
but i do film i do film sessions yeah see
and in that and that and that that like is a bonus because
a lot a lot of kids don't watch yeah you know what i mean they watch highlights
yeah and that's why i have to break i'm trying to break them i'm actually teaching
like i took i did a highlight in the highlights film of my sixth graders yeah

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and really teaching them how to look at themselves i said don't look at what
you're doing well right look at what you're doing too i tell them two things
look at what you're doing away from the ball, right,
and look at what you're doing when you things go bad,
like your look, read your body language, look at what you did wrong in the past,
where were you looking like when you look at yourself,
it's always funny, when you do film with kids.

(01:14:47):
Because I'll freeze it, and I'll be like, Roenick, that's one of my point guards
for a season. I was like, what were you looking at right there?
And they're looking at themselves.
And you see him processing, and he turns to me, he's like, I don't know.
I was like, well, if you don't know what you were looking at,
and that's you on the film. Right, right.
I don't know what you're looking at. You know what I mean? Like,
you made that pass. You saw that was open.

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But on film, there's three opposing guys there. So you explain to me what it is you saw. Yeah.
And they're like, I don't know, Coach. I said, okay, so maybe we need to figure
that out. We've got to unpack that and then fix it, right?
So that's one thing I always try to tell coaches is a tip. Like if you're lucky
enough to have a core group that's willing to stick with you, do film sessions.

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And film sessions could be fun too. You could do it at someone's house.
You can bring a projector. You guys can hang out, eat food.
It's fun to get together stuff too. I mean, especially at that age,
it's a seriousness to it, but you want to make it as fun as possible.
So they, they, they fall in love with that type of stuff.
You know what I mean? So as they get older, it's something that they want to

(01:15:52):
do and don't mind doing. You know what I mean?
And I think that's a good thing, bro. Introducing that type of stuff to them at that age.
It can only benefit them. Yeah. You know what I mean?
It can only benefit them because the older they get and the more the basketball
becomes a business, that stuff's mandatory.
You know what I mean? And if you don't have an answer, you're getting parked.

(01:16:14):
Right. And why did you make that pass?
I don't know. Well, I just lost a lot of. Right.
So I can't you know, I'm talking to you, Cole, high school. It's like,
what do you mean you don't know?
I'll accept coach. He was there. I thought he was there.
OK, I saw a window in it. Right. Right. OK, cool. But it's late.
Right. No. But look at this guy here and boom, boom, boom, boom,

(01:16:35):
boom. But to just not know. Yeah. Yeah.
Don't work. I want to talk to you because you also, you know,
you train, you train girls and stuff too. Right.
With Caitlin Clark and all she's done and Angel Reese and these, you know, prevalent,
female college hoopers and all they've done you

(01:16:56):
know with with with the spotlight on them do
you have an overall opinion how you feel i love it you know obviously because
i love it because i have a daughter you know too so i i
love seeing this spotlight put on
women's basketball right right and you know it makes it
fun right i'm a i'm a basketball junkie bro
so like i'll watch women's basketball over

(01:17:18):
the nfl that's just me yeah you know what i mean like
my tv kind of states basketball wise
and i i mean i think they're hooping yeah you you
can't deny it if it was a weak product and it was weak then
then that would be an issue but they're hooping they're
balling and and they're the women's game is
starting to grow and the the the women hoopers are

(01:17:38):
starting to be better written better written better
they are there's there's some women that will give it to some
of these dudes that yes they're good you know what i mean you know
what i mean and it's like bro they're hoopers yeah there's no there's no difference
in them the only the difference that I see from the women that I train and the
guys that I train you only have to tell them something once maybe twice and

(01:18:01):
they get it and they apply it you know what I mean guys it's like bro I just told you.
And Ted Ted told me the same thing that's why he's coaching women's account
maritime now he's like they get it they learn he's like yeah we got stuff to
work on but once I teach it they get it and they apply it it's like
oh okay like oh i just said

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that once like you know what i mean in my head i'll be like okay and i'm
really really applying it and really trying to do it and so i i
love it man i think i think it's just going to continue to
grow i think they're going to continue to evolve and and the more
that that the younger generation is
seeing the older generation having success that they are it's
just going to grow with and then again

(01:18:44):
well so we know and i'm
always trying to be touchy with this subject but you know like the
wmba right we obviously know you
know that it's not turning a profit we know
the numbers it's all the videos information out there that's not the point
of that what i'm saying right now is realistically you
got angel and clark who are about to go to

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the league right and my opinion you know that they gotta figure out a way to
capitalize on that because right like you said it's it's business it's entertainment
business And you got a girl right now a young young woman who's putting butts
in the seats, man She is so it's like.
You know, they got to figure out a way to make that happen. I think they will.

(01:19:30):
I think they just have to capitalize on it.
I mean, if you the one thing I notice is like a lot of the younger women,
young female hoopers, they follow college basketball.
They look at they they they they love that level of basketball.
So they I think the fans are just only going to continue to transfer.
Forever the more that you know you have those special players or

(01:19:51):
the fans have a relationship with certain players i
think it just continues to grow yeah and then i think
they do they need to push them as kind of the face of the
league and you know there's gonna be some vets who might not be happy with that
at first but it's like look you gotta think what's best for no yeah making the
league making it successful in your pocket so if this they should push they

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should push all the hoopers you know but you know those two as as rookies and
everything else yeah Push them just like the guys get pushed.
And you know what I mean? Exactly. And promote them the same way because there's
a younger generation that looks up to them, that follows them.
And that's going to continue to make that game grow.
Like, I wish the younger guy generation would follow college basketball a little

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more. Yeah. Because they would learn more.
Yes. Because that's the level you're trying to play at.
You're not going straight to the league. Right. And that's the tough part,
right? You try to tell kids, man, and we've been preaching it and saying it
episode after episode, but the simple is how you get there. The simple works.
You guys just got to understand that more and more.

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That's why I tell them, go watch college. There's colleges all around us.
Go to a game. One game. That's all a challenge. One, two games a year.
I always ask guys, what's your favorite college team?
A lot of them don't even have favorite college teams. To me, I'm like, huh?
You don't have a favorite college team? They don't watch it like that.
They don't watch it like that. Bro, like, but that's where you want to play?

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Like, I'll ask them, hey, so what are your goals? Oh, you know,
play division one or play, well, okay, what's your favorite college team?
No clue it's like okay so what are you watching them
right like you know what i mean i get watching the league but like
that's why you travel in the game and that's why because you're
trying to do league stuff and that's not even the same rule right and they don't
you know and i i'm fortunate enough with some of my kids or some of my teams

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i've taken them to like sac state i took them to portland state when we pointed
so they've gotten at least with me i've made sure they watch some college games
and enjoy that moment and just see what was funny because like in some of the.
Games um they saw like guys missing layups
and i was like and they were like coach they miss layups like
us too i was like yes they're they're they're not perfect they

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miss layups like their big seven foot kid can't put
the damn ball in the back they're not the only ones right they
hit the side of the backboard when they shoot yeah i said now i
would say they do it less often than you but yes they
still do it just like you do right and that's when
you know their wheels start turning like okay this is i can
do this right i can put in the work and get there so i

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think yeah i think more encouraging of young athletes
watching college would be good and so sure my
last nba question before we move on to everything else oh my favorite player
tyrese halliburton tyrese halliburton yes okay nice he called nice all right
he is he is he is how would you being a lakers fan i'm curious in this how many

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more years out of lebron uh to be honest with you i hope it's not
too many okay i feel like he's still
producing yeah yeah but like two max
please like and i and i say that like love is
love right i love you brother like you know
what i mean i love everything you're doing for our team and everything else
but like he's getting to that point yeah because guys don't they really don't

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even like dilo for instance yeah his game changes when he's on the floor with
lebron like his mindset changes you know what i mean is like his superstardom
is just It's time to, you know.
Yeah, no, no, no. You've done enough, brother. Yeah, he's clearly done enough.
And shout out to, I got to do this quick, shout out to Derrick Rose.

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He's announcing retirement, 15-year career, and obviously dealt with his fair
share of injuries, man. So, you know, like, huge fan, man.
You've gone through a lot, man, and he's persevered. Yeah, he's persevered and found success, man.
So, enjoy your retirement, dude. You know kick back relax.
I'm sure you'll find something, you know to venture into things like that But

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you know a big shout out to you man and your career and everything you've done,
So I want to go into respectfully disrespectful,
And this is the part of show where we talk a little bit of the controversial
hot topics and things going on right now Like I said the biggest thing that I'm noticing,
Well, let's start off with officials, right?

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They're not perfect. I've literally had officials on this show,
a lot of officials. I try to get their side of it. I saw that.
But, yeah, it's been some tough, tough weeks, especially like the big controversial
one with the high school team. I wish I could remember the name right now.
But they got the shot off for that game winner, and the ref came over and waved it off.

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I think the other two refs said it was good, but he waved it
off and he was the lead official and yeah people
were very upset about that i'm just you know what's your
take with some of the officiating going on man man
you know i understand we're humans everyone's a
human so we nobody's perfect at all but
some of this stuff no even in

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the nba man no yeah even in the league it's like
nah like the good thing about the league it's
like they have replay they have that last two
minute report where you know you get your flaws and stuff pointed
out right right i'm pretty sure they have some type of reverend or something
like that but like man i i think especially since the pandemic like bro it's

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been on a decline yeah like i'll go watch high school games and i'll see stuff
and be like like there's no word like Like, whoa.
Well, they're so short on officials because that, like, if you go to a lot of
varsity games, you know, there's only a two-person cruise.
You know, usually every varsity game had three, but they're running short on officials.

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You know what I mean? And I know it's a tough gig. I know it's a tough job.
I'm not taking away from it. I encourage a lot of these younger,
like, you know, people will always ask me, and I'm sure maybe you get this question
too, especially the younger guys that want to get into training or coaching or whatever, you know.
How do I make money, you know, coach or, you know, how do I get a facility or how do I get clients?

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I say, if you really want to make money in basketball, become an official because
you will always have work.
Yeah, I promise you that. I said, you can train on the side,
you can coach on the side, but they will always need officials.
You know what I'm saying? Because there's there's some some guys that are out
there. That's like, bro, you're not even you can't even make it down the court. Yeah.
Yeah. You got us. This might be that time.

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But he's still working. He's still working, right? He's still,
he had officiating stuff. Like, you know,
I get it, but some stuff just is like, like, what were you looking at?
Like, come on, bro. Like, I don't even, I'm not even like a disrespectful guy,

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but some stuff makes you want to just say some disrespectful stuff.
Because you're disrespectful. Right, right. You're like, no.
I know exactly what you mean, bro.
And then sometimes you just, your emotions get the best of you.
Like, I don't, I mean, as an assistant, I don't, I don't get into all that.
Idea that's that's on our head and all that but man bro

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i'm kind of demonstrative on the bench like
it's my emotions or i'll be like and there have
been times i've been like oh come right man come on
i know exactly what you mean yeah it's gonna be we'll see
i mean all it can it can only get better right i
mean you can you can hope that it only gets better i think
that i don't think every single official is

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is bad but man it's
tough it for sure is tough so and
then on the well on the flip side of it some of
the kids and the disrespect like i said
like i'll tell you something that's kind of annoying me now is these
troll teams i don't know if you know that concept of the

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au stuff yeah i don't it makes it for me like
a person who's kind of like sees more cons and
pros in the au it's like for me if i wanted to
like be that guy i can be like right there like it's a complete joke right au
is a complete joke i and i i mean i don't never want to knock anybody if you're
getting money off you know i never want to knock someone's hustle but it's like

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but if the other team's not in on the joke you know what i mean like Like,
you're going, parents are spending their money.
Coaches are hoping to have, you know, good formative teams, like you want to
do strategy, you want to work on things, win or lose, like I know I want to,
it's about development, right?
And then I see a bunch of, like, there's a team this weekend that played Jay's

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team, my 16 year rise team.
They called themselves Bout a Bag Elite, right, off of the kid I coached,
Derek, who's a rapper, D.B.
Bout a Bag. Right, right. And he had no knowledge of this thing even existing. Right.
And they had T-shirts, they're talking mess, they have their cameras trying
to make fun for YouTube content, all this stuff. They ended up losing.

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But it was just such a, like, it makes it a joke.
Yeah, man. Like, for real basketball enthusiasts and people that love the game
and people that take it serious, like, you know what I mean?
I mean, it's it just it makes it a mockery.
Yeah. It is ammunition for people to kind of, you know, justify calling it a
joke or calling it a waste of time.

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And it hurts. It may hurt real programs that are really out here trying to do real things.
And why did you sign us up for this tournament? And none of them was like, I had no idea about this.
No, they don't. Do you think it's a cultural thing, man? Because,
like, I don't think you'll see this in baseball. I don't think you'll see this in volleyball.
I don't think, do you think it's just kind of, you know, I don't want to say

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a black cultural thing because I don't think it's a racial thing.
A basketball. But I think basketball culture.
I just think sometimes where it intersects is the entertainment aspect and the basketball aspect.
It's a basketball thing. I think it's a basketball thing. I don't,
definitely you do that in football, you might lose your life.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. because of the violence of the game or how violent the game is.
But yeah, I think it's just because, I don't know why, why it's like that with basketball.
Because even you have, you know, people that are popular on Instagram.
Teaching bad habits or saying just
crazy things. It's like, you have to be trolling, you know what I mean?

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Yeah. And that just goes back to the students understanding what's real basketball.
What isn't. And I equated to,
I equated to how boxers feel about like the influencer boxing industry.
Like the Jake Paul fighting Mike Tyson deal, or, you know, the,
the, the influencers like Jake Paul fighting, you know, these retired MMA fighters, Right.

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Like boxers don't like that.
They're like, you're making a mockery of what I do.
You know what I mean? You'll never see Tyson Fury take that serious or,
you know, Anthony Joshua or any of those guys. Right. Because they're like, wait a minute.
You know what I mean? Like you're making fun of what we do.
Like this is our livelihoods. And that's what I equate it to sometimes when

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I see these troll teams and stuff. I can see that.
And I again, I don't mind the fun of it because I do think but I think both
sides should be in on the joke. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Let us know like and you never want to hate on I don't like you know don't want
to come off like I'm hating on whoever no, but it's like come on man No, and there's some kids.
I love that man Like I you know I just saw I did my live with Deshaun and Drifty

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J has made a great success doing this Marcellus Perry all these sacramental
kids who are out here being successful Making getting their bag and just doing
great things for the culture,
but I even I've told know, uh, Jay, I said, man, you gotta find a balance between that, man.
Don't do it too much. You know what I mean? Do a little bit every now and then.
It's good, but don't, you know, don't get too heavy into that because there

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are some people that really take this seriously, man. And I don't,
I don't want you to piss them off.
Right. You know? So, and he, and he's a good kid.
He hears, you know what I mean? I know who he is. Yeah. He's solid, man.
But like, and then a couple more things I was thinking about. So, okay.
The taunting, the crazy taunts that these kids are doing nowadays,

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the kind of outlandish stuff, the, you know, they always talk mess to a degree,
but I feel like it's really getting on that, like. Right.
Like, my thing about that is I kind of, you're going to pop it a little bit.
Everybody's going to pop it, but, like, they take it to a different level.

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And the thing is, you got to know where you popping it at.
Right. You know what I mean? like during the game where
there's refs and everything else yeah we know
it too much is not gonna happen right but i'm
seeing them at local gyms and it's like hey
like you gotta be be careful with all that man because you you know you're talking

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to some grown men you're saying the kind of wrong stuff and the wrong words
all in their face with your fist balled up like you gotta kind of relax right
i don't i don't seen a few dudes get knocked out doing that the wrong way you
know And it's and it's like, bro, like you did it. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like you, you, you did all that for whatever reason you felt.
And I feel like the league again,

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because that's what a lot of people watching where they get it from.
It's like the league has a has to do better, in my opinion, with that,
too, because like you hear him like you're listening to certain podcasts or
and I can't remember who said it, but ain't nobody gonna fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean? And so they'll get in each other's face and go head to head.
Right, but no one's taking us. And nobody's doing that. But these kids are doing

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that in the local gyms and stuff, man.
And they're not realizing the dude they're talking to really is about that life.
Right. And it's like, nobody's finna break it. No. You know what I mean? Like, you wanted this.
Right. And then you're looking like, I've seen it. And it's like,
and they look like it, like shocked.
Like, oh my gosh, he punched me. It's like, bro, you got in that man's face and pushed him in.

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Yeah, yeah. doing all that extra shit like what do you think was gonna happen
i don't know and yeah it's he said it's perpetuated a lot by social media and
all that stuff i think i don't know sometimes.
What did mike tyson say he said uh said the internet allowed like people to
speak without getting punched in the face like shit sometimes i'm sorry a punch
in the face might wake somebody up you know what i mean it's it but yeah my

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message to you kids be careful who you're talking I mean, yeah, for real,
and especially using certain words, like certain words you don't call grown men. Yeah.
And I don't think sometimes they remember that, you know, I said,
yeah, we're, we're, we're old, young, keep that in mind.
Like we grown ass men out here. It's certain stuff that's like,

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you know, it's instantly like, oh.
You asked for that one? Exactly, 100%. And then, you know, in the games,
like I was for sure say with the recent, you know, fights,
I shouldn't say fights, shoves, altercations, I guess it's the best word, altercations.

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Like the last one with LSU and I'm not thinking of the team,
you know, the big, yes, there you go.
And the dude that jumped on the court and all that stuff. I'm like, whoa.
I think he was, he was, his emotions got the best of him. I mean,
he was tweaking for real.
But, I mean, the whole interchange with the players, that's part of it.

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I mean, we've been there. You know what I mean? Like, the emotions running high.
And that stuff happens. You know what I mean? It's like it shouldn't happen too often.
Hopefully it doesn't happen more often than it has. But, like, hey, man.
You know, I've been involved in shoving matches and, you know,
pushing and things like that.
Yeah, that's the competitor. or unless you know shoves and some people you know

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it it happens that's part of the game bro right but the whole jumping over to
the the scores table that that's what really caught me it's like.
There's enough people there yeah you gotta you gotta control your emotions like
you gotta chill out with that i think he got arrested too yeah yeah i'm like
which i don't think he should yeah yeah you know make sure he doesn't come to

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anymore you can't come to any more nc2a tournament right
but they said he pushed i'm like i watched the video a few times i didn't see that either,
for sure i've seen them hop over here and then he looked at old girls like oh,
he probably is probably came to his face it's like i'm sure it's like oh she
like six eight like this is i don't know i want this like that that's about

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it that's my thing is what were you gonna do yeah that's exactly what i was
thinking i'm like it's cool man just chill out emotions Emotions were high,
little sister, you know what I mean?
But it's like, nah, bro, you was kind of, you was tweaking.
Like, so, and more speaking in the Sacramento AAU culture, because I'm curious

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your take on this and just basketball culture in general, like,
I'm really an advocate of trying to get something established out here.
And in terms of like a truly sponsored shooter, like JBS, right?
That's what I talked about with Sean when Sean was on the show.
I don't know if it's going to happen again. I know PHPS had that years and years ago.

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But, you know, I don't know if we'll ever get to that point.
Marcus says it all the time. You know, Kirkland, he's like, man,
he said, if Sacramento put their resources together And everyone just put their ego aside.
We can get a team of 10 strong guys and go out there and do it.
Do you ever think something like that will happen? I'm pessimistic.
I don't know if that'll something like that'll ever happen, but I think you

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can, you just have to build it with the right people. Yeah.
You have to build it with the right people. You can't build it with everyone.
Like even using JBS as an example, he only let certain people in.
Yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure he,
Whatever he has to earn his trust and for him to believe in you,

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he's putting them through whatever.
But I'm pretty sure everything started with him, though, and his ideal of what
he wanted and his grind and building that foundation.
And it grew from there.
I think it can happen. Like, for instance, if it's something that you want to
do, you're going to have to do all the legwork.
You know what I mean? you know you you'll have to whatever connections need

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to be built and networks this that you'll have to do that and then you'll have
to build it with people that see the same thing that you see and that that that
that don't have an issue with playing a role i think a lot of people.
Like have to be the guy yeah yeah you know what i mean they all want have to be the guy or bring

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this much to the table but want this yes
like like nah like they're like even they take the
term role player with a negative connotation like I'm I'm I'm
I'm an assistant coach I'm I'm a player
development coach like at the end of the day John's word is what we go to I'm
a professional suggestion giver I might think something will work and he'll

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be like nah right I'm going with this and you but you're going to support him
because right I'm not going to go behind it let's see if If you would have talked
to the players. Yeah. Nah.
Like, you know, and that's, what's going to help us be successful.
And a lot of people just, they don't have the ability to do that, bro.
You're right. And I think it'll start with, if you can just provide a space

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of, of trust and, and have the people around you that you trust and,
and go get those players, you'll have to recruit them.
You know what I mean? And the players will have to believe it and buy in it too.
But if you, if you're, if you're able to get them in front of these people and
you build the connections to get those sponsorships, then, then I think it can happen.
Yeah. And that's all, that's just the biggest hurdle for me is, um.

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You know, you got to be able to finance all this, right?
You got to be able to pay for the kids' flights, pay for the hotels and all that.
And that super talented kids' parents don't want to pay.
They don't, you know, and that's the tough part, right?
That's the challenge I have to figure out one day is could I get to a position
where I have some fundraisers in place, some donors in place,

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some sponsorship in place to where I can say, okay, I have 30 spots that are
completely free. Right.
For, you know, 15, you 16, you 17, 10 kids per spot. It's all free.
Give me the best kids in our area. We don't even have to go all the way to the
Bay or Fairfield or anything.
It's just Sacramento, Elk Grove, all the way here to Rockland. Right.

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Give me the best 10 guys and let's go out there and kill it on the Adidas circuit
and kill it so much that they have to go. You know what?
This guy's doing something. You know what I mean? Like, and I don't,
that's my master plan one day, but I don't know if we'll ever get there.
That's why I was curious your thoughts.
Cause you're someone that's tapped into the, it could happen.
I, it could happen. It's just, you'll, you'll definitely have to find the right people.

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Like I, I, like, I don't, I don't understand why it hasn't already happened.
Like when I sit back again, I'm not involved in it, but I'm like,
I do question like, okay, why isn't there just like one or two,
there's just a lot of talent out here. Yeah. Yeah.
So why isn't there just like a, I'll say like a Compton magic or why, why is that?

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But it's like, there's so many politics and so many different gatekeepers and
everybody wants to be attached to it. Everybody wants to have their name on it.
Like, even if you like, you know, I pride myself on being able to work with
programs. So last year I worked with Ryan with touch shooting this year.
I'm working with Timo in the lab and, you know, but again, I have relationships
with those guys, right? Me and Timo play college ball together. Right.

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So that's how we were able. You know, I know him.
So it's but it's like it's hard for me to be able to go to, let's say,
because I'm looked at, I guess, as a bigger program for me to go to a smaller
program and say, hey, I'd like to work with you and stuff.
Because then they just they're they're all their defenses are up.
They're just like, oh, you're just trying to take my kids.
You're just trying to. And it's like, well, I experienced that when you're a

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threat where you have like like you can be good enough.
Enough so good or you know and honest and
genuine that you're a threat you're right so insecure people are going to always
be insecure I had to learn that too like with training because when I first
started training like I swear I've I want to collab let's work yeah let's and
like I started off in a in a like a group like with a group of trainers and

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and like one trainer like.
It's just certain clients will start to reach out to me and it's like,
I'm not trying to know. They just see it and we're starting to happen.
And then so there's a competition that gets created.
And it's like I had to realize like, and this is and you're a threat.
Like when you're when you're good at something and you're passionate about it

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and you're genuine and people start to come and get drawn to that,
bro, you become a threat to certain people.
Right. Because they don't they can't. You're better.
Right. You know what I mean? And those are the people that, okay,
well, I can't work with, but I do think there are smaller programs.
You will be able to get them to see the benefit of, of what you're trying to do.

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And they'll, they'll be able to play their role and grow with you.
You know what I mean? You just got to find the right one. Yeah, you're right.
That's what I'm trying to do, bro. You got to find the right ones,
man. So this might be a controversial question, be my last question before we
get out of here or whatever.
But if you have any thoughts on it, what do you think about like this reclassing?
Pandemic. I think it's weak.

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I'm just being honest. And I'm
not like, if I know you and you've reclassified or something like that.
And no knock on it, because I've said this on this show numerous times.
I don't have a problem with reclassing as a whole.
I think it's a case by case basis. Sometimes it's needed,
but I do have a problem when you're
using it as a genetic advantage against younger guys

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because like in high school it's all it's it's
varsity i mean if you're a 15 year old on varsity 16 year old on varsity
17 18 year old on varsity that's but to sit
here to sit here and be
very disingenuous and this is what pisses me off a certain au coaches and this
is the disingenuous side they'll be like there's no you there's no difference

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between a 13 year old and 11 year old like come on man the genetic bodies are
so different they don't even you can give me the most advanced 11 year old. Right.
I can find an average 13 or 14 year old that can match that pretty easily.
You know what I'm saying? And that's where I get pissed off.
That's where I say it's a week. Like, I mean, if, if your circumstance is like,

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okay, your birthday's later or, and you're still in that age group. Yeah.
I get it. You know what I mean? A hundred percent. But like when you're 16 playing
14 and you know what I mean? 16 year olds can now be in the eighth grade. Yeah. That's weak.
Like I don't, For me, that's weak to me because as a hooper,

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you should want to compete with your age group or higher.
That's the competition. That's to compete.
But to say me at 16 and I'm okay. First of all, bro, you're 16.
You want to be at a middle school camp? Right.
Don't you feel some sort of embarrassment? Nothing.

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Basketball. So like, and there comes a point where you're not going to have
that advantage because you're going to have to play at your age.
So to me, it's weak. Like, I don't, I don't give if you're.
If you're two years more and you're playing lower, bro, you're not that good to me.
Right. Like, and like, and I, I had to learn that, like, again,

(01:45:43):
cause I've only last five years been back in this room.
So I'd see a kid and be like, Oh, he cold. He cold. And somebody be like,
yeah, he such and such age.
And it's four teens. And then like instantly my mind is like,
Oh, well, he's not that good. And like, he's not, he's not that good.
Cause if you're 14 years old in the sixth grade and you're,
dominating it's like they're 12 you

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should be dominating should be i'm like that's not
an accomplishment right not at all and and like for the people
that support that like this that's just weak that to me there's no way around
it it's weak now if that's the case if they're not ready play your age and then
take that prep year take that red shirt year right there's there's ways to you
know what i mean like in that that are a lot more respectable but to yeah man to be 16 playing

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with 13 or I mean, I've heard stories of, I've heard stories,
I've seen it with my own eyes of forged birth certificates,
forged report cards. That's weak.
You know, and it's this, again, it's this win at all costs. And I think a lot of organizations.
There, there, there's a mixed bag of it. If you're on the top end where let's

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say you are Compton magic, you are an Oakland soldiers, you are team Lillard, you are team.
Why not? Whatever. Like you do have a burden of performance because in order
to keep that contract, you have to win.
Right. That's just part of that. But there's, there's, and I could be wrong,
but there's no way whoever's providing that contract is signing off on.

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Yeah. They're signing off on six teams playing. Oh, no, no, no,
no, no, not that. No, but I'm just saying in terms of they have to win at all
costs in terms of like keeping the sponsorship, right? That's on that top end. Okay.
So then you have the youth side, because this is what I try to tell parents, especially on the show.
Eighth grade and below is a different ball game than ninth grade and up.

(01:47:35):
Like high school AU and youth AU are not the same. Right. They play the same
sport, but they're not the same game.
That's what I, just like I say, the NBA and college, they're not the same sport,
but they play the same game. Right.
So, you know, the, a lot of these guys will try to get these eighth graders.

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That they know are holdbacks, you know, or double holdbacks,
whatever, 16 years old, and really try to capitalize on getting them.
Cause they're trying to funnel them into not only their program,
but also have that, that aura, that image of like, see, we win at the youth
level, we win at every level. And it's like, no, you're not really winning.
You're just seeking out a certain genetic lottery, a cheat code essentially to, to keep that.

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And all that funnels into keeping the perception, which then keeps the contract,
which keeps the money flowing in the sponsorships and blah, blah,
blah. I'd say, again, it's a capitalist society. It's how it works. Right.
So my thing is that that's on one side of it.
Then you have a lot of programs that feel that.

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If you don't win, you're not developing. If you don't win, you lose players, right?
And that's what I think starts to become the other side of it,
where they seek out the easiest, the path of least resistance.
If I get five 15-year-olds in the seventh grade, right, yeah,

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they don't have to be very good.
I just know they're going to have a certain level of talent.
They're just going to be better than everybody.
And then the perception is I'm this great coach.
We're winning, and that gravitates more business to me because of the winning.
Oh, they must be developing because they're winning, right?
So I think with those unfortunately motivating factors, that's what's created

(01:49:28):
this push to win at all costs, right?
Yeah. I mean, it goes back to what you're in it for.
Yeah. You know what I mean? like you can't that that
stuff is going to take place but like no real
ones no real ones respecting that like you know what i mean and it's like okay
hey get your get your money get your sponsorships and get your notoriety as

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a coach right because that's what you're in it for right but like eventually
that kid is gonna get the short end of the stick so what happens when that 15 year old.
Doesn't pan out to be anything.
So now they're, they didn't pan out to be anything. And on top of that,
they cheated. They cheated.
So what life lessons are we teaching them? What are we setting them up for?

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You know what I mean? But you probably don't care because they're gone. Yeah.
And you're, and your shit looks good. Right.
You're still on me. Right. And now you got another kid coming or another,
and it just creates this, this, this, this pipeline, this.
Of bullshit. Yeah. Bullshit. Yeah. For straight bullshit. Kind of like an abusive

(01:50:35):
cycle of bullshit. You know what I'm saying?
Last question for you, before we get out of here. If you are speaking to the
parents, speaking to the kids as a trainer and a college coach,
what is the best advice you can give these kids and families in order for them
to find success and success being good at basketball, right?

(01:50:58):
And potentially playing at any level of college.
Believe in yourself. You, if you don't believe in yourself,
it's never going gonna happen nobody can can make you
believe in yourself and in believing yourself you
can accomplish a lot more like the confidence and believing in
yourself will take you far and and work your ass

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off like work your ass off because there's three types of players bro in my
opinion there's the player that knows that they're not that good the player
that thinks that that they're good and the player that knows that they're him, right?
The player that knows that they're not, they're good, they're putting in a ton of work to get better.

(01:51:41):
The players who a lot of these guys are that think they're good,
they're half assing, not working hard, they're gonna plateau.
And then the guy who knows he's him, he's gonna continue to put in a ton of
work to maintain his status and to maintain his dominance.
And the key factor is the hard work.

(01:52:01):
The hard work, the dedication, like somebody might be better than you right now in the ninth grade.
That doesn't mean they'll be better than you in the 12th grade if you're out
working on 100 percent. And that that that relates to life as well.
Work hard in the classroom.
Don't just get seized just because, OK, I can play with a 2.0 or 2.5.
Now I get that 3.5, get that 3.8, shoot for that 4.2, because that'll translate

(01:52:24):
and open up more doors for you later on in life.
Agree you may get a scholarship offer but can you accept that scholarship offer
that's what a lot of guys don't understand it's like okay you may have the talent
but can you accept that will will admissions let you into that school with that
gpa and we know some talented kids that unfortunately,
grades is their biggest hurdle work hard man put and push your kids to work

(01:52:46):
hard man i mean don't be i wouldn't be like super obsessive and joe jackson
you know what i mean i wouldn't be like Like that, but like,
bro, don't make no shortcuts for them.
Don't give them opportunities to duck smoke and duck the hard work.
Oh, well, he played five games. He's sore.
Like, man, what do you think these dudes, the goal that you have to play,

(01:53:08):
they travel, play 82 games. Yeah.
No, 100%. It's hard work, and you may not make it there. You may not get the
Division I scholarship.
You may not get the D2, D3. You'll maximize your potential, though,
and what's for you is for you, but it ain't going to happen without hard work.
Right. And you'll be one of those guys that we all know, man,
if I would have. If he would have listened to this, would have done that.

(01:53:33):
Yep. Or it's always someone else's fault.
Oh, the coach didn't like me. This coach was tripping. They won't let me play my game.
Like there's meanwhile all you're doing is practicing right
right no come on bro no well i appreciate
you being here yes sir and again
for those if you have made it

(01:53:54):
to the end of the episode you're a real one and uh again links
for uh my man's here uh seals
drills bernard seals will be there in the
links i'll have uh his ig and um uh
his website so make sure to get you you guys that
information um shout out to
all the kids playing au this past weekend i

(01:54:15):
know high school au started i know the high school au transfer portal is open
right now so everybody's gonna be bouncing everywhere um and shout out to my
guys at team rise we won all our games this weekend it's a great start we're
still in like tryout mode so by april we'll be kicking off
um did you have anybody or anything you

(01:54:37):
wanted to man shout out to the hoopers man shout out
to all the hoopers shout out to the kids and that want to get better uh perfected
craft shout out to y'all man keep this basketball culture going and see you
at the top all right man so again appreciate you please hit that like and subscribe
always appreciate that help do that hbo special Special Helper Brother out.

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Other than that, everybody be safe. Keep hooping, keep loving the game, keep living the game.
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