May 26, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Seles shares her harrowing experience of being in Israel when war broke out in October, capturing both the fear of the situation and the remarkable perspective it gave her on American privilege.
• Dr. Seles traveled to Israel with a church group of 60 people including her mother
• She was baptized in the Jordan River by her childhood pastor who had originally baptized her 20+ years ago
• Plans changed suddenly when they were redirected to Jerusalem due to a "developing situation"
• They witnessed smoke in the distance as conflict began to escalate
• The group had to evacuate to Jordan as airports closed and the situation worsened
• Dr. Seles faced challenging experiences at border crossings related to her identity as a Black American woman
• She and her mother (Ma Dukes) were separated onto different flights home due to limited evacuation options
• The flight home was delayed due to airspace safety concerns, creating additional anxiety
• The experience highlighted American passport privilege and the complex dynamics of race, gender, and religion in the region
Stroke survivors may experience intensified seasonal depression and anxiety. Dr. Seles and Angie discuss how symptoms like winter blues that might have been a "five" before stroke can increase to a "seven" afterward, requiring additional management strategies.
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Our beloved colleague, Dr. Davetrina Seles Gadson, passed away January 11, 2025. Dr. Gadson was an extraordinary speech-language pathologist and neuroscience researcher who devoted her energy to studying health disparities in aphasia recovery. She was a fierce advocate for improving services for individuals with aphasia, particularly Black Americans. Her research transformed our understanding of these health disparities and shed light on how we can address them. We were privileged to have Dr. Gadson as a cherished member of our lab community for four years, first as a postdoctoral fellow and then as an Instructor of Rehabilitation Medicine. She was still a close collaborator and friend to many of us at the time of her passing. Dr. Gadson was an incredible person—compassionate, inspiring, and full of life. Her dedication to advancing equity in aphasia recovery and her profound impact on our community will never be forgotten. We are committed to honoring her memory by continuing to push our field forward and fight for equitable services for all people with aphasia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, brain friends, today we got a great show for
you, though it doesn't dive intoour usual subjects of stroke,
aphasia and brain health.
It is a wonderful conversationwith Dr Celeste that we captured
when she returned from Israel.
She and her church was like agroup of 60.
(00:26):
And, of course, my dudes.
They were all there when a warbroke out and the borders in the
airports were being closed.
They had a time.
So Dr Celeste shares thatexperience with us and we
decided to tape it and notreally knowing if we were going
(00:48):
to use it or drop it as anepisode, but we decided Well,
actually I'm not going to holdy'all.
I was like, listen, I need youto really share what happened.
And she was like, listen,celeste, I'll take that free
therapy session.
(01:09):
I'm so with it.
No, but we sat and we chattedabout what had happened, what
she had seen, how it felt, andit was a great, great episode.
And, like I said, I wasn't sureif we were going to ever drop
it.
But, um, we, I'm glad we tapedit.
So I'm gonna go ahead and sharethat with you guys.
Now this is also may, which isstroke awareness month, and it's
(01:32):
also gemini season.
It's all season.
I'm celebrating because thismarks her birthday.
She was a gemini, she was bornin 82.
And she loved to celebrate herbirthday.
She was about her birthday, shewas about that life.
So, um, she's forever in ourthoughts and our prayers and in
(01:53):
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So this episode is really justa way of sharing her light and
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(02:16):
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Celeste we love you and we missyou, and may the souls of the
faithful departed through themercy of God Rest in peace.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Let's get it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
All right now.
Welcome to Brain Friends, wheretwo neuro nerds talk all things
aphasia, language recovery,culture and community.
I am Dr DeTrina Celeste Gatson,a clinical speech-language
pathologist and neuroscientist,and I am Angie.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Cawthorn stroke survivor and aphasia advocate.
Welcome to our show.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Welcome to Brain Friends.
We want to thank all of ourlisteners for downloading the
podcast.
We appreciate everyonelistening, so please tell a
friend.
To tell a friend that we arehere and we are okay, angie, how
are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
what is going on with you?
It is all about you.
Welcome home, welcome back.
It is a blessing to see you.
Thank you, I got too muchsunshine coming in on me there
we go.
Sunshine on you Ain't too much.
It ain't never going to be toomuch sunshine, honey because you
the light.
Okay, come on, god, bring thislight on me, shine on me, lord.
(06:01):
Yes, I receive all of that.
I do, you know.
I realized that my brainsituation with sunlight, my
relationship with cloudy daysand sunny days, I didn't realize
how much I I, I mean, I know werequire the sun is humans, but
like I be needing the sun I'llbe sure the days are not for me.
(06:23):
I'm more more of a.
I'm more of a Southern girl.
I need that.
I need that.
I need sunlight till 7.
This 4 PM is not for me.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So do you feel like that increased after your stroke
or?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it may.
I think my, because mydepression and anxiety increase.
Therefore the feeling ofdownness which is normal, you
know, in the winter winter blues.
It has a name for a reason,right, okay, but I do think it
is more when I have this sincethe stroke it is more is I think
(07:05):
, I know it is.
It definitely affects me morethan it did prior.
Yeah, the not having the sun,the not having the sun.
I am in need of sunlight, andlook at that sun coming back in
here.
Okay, come on, son.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You better manifest it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yes, oh my gosh, but I mean we all have that.
You know, uh, what they umclinical weather, there's a word
for it.
It's more than winter blues butit's like clinical or weather
depression anyway, yeah, butit's definitely if it would have
(07:43):
been at a five before.
It was at a seven since thestroke oh wow, that would be
everything.
Whatever it was, it's up two orthree.
Okay, like I used to be able tocontrol my anxiety.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, now it's a seven it's only seven at all
times, unless I medicate soundslike we might need to do another
mental health episode.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Listen I still ain't got no black therapist, so I
don't want to call you out.
But the reason I called youoriginally yeah, yeah, do the
face Because the first time Icalled you, if you recall,
before we done made a podcast,got listeners worldwide, Right
worldwide, and you still don'thave no therapist Podcast got
listeners worldwide.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right Worldwide, angie still don't have no
therapy.
Okay, so I got to.
So one if you're in the PhillyJersey area, licensed in that
area Angie is open to therapy.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't even know now .
I don't know Should I?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, honey, I'm back in therapy so.
I am a therapy advocate.
I think that it's so importantto have someone that can help
you organize your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never participated but I want to like,
if I found, if I thought Ifound the right mix to, to give
me that where I feel comfortablescene.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So okay, so we got to make sure, we, I have to make
sure that I follow up on that,because, yeah, you did say do I
know a therapist?
And I was like I don't know atherapist, but, um, I was
thinking about a podcast.
Can we record our conversations?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
right, I don't know nothing what you're talking
about, but here I'm thinking oh,that is too much, so listen.
Um well, first of all, let mejust say this I'm spinning this
around welcome home, thank you.
Tell me about your, first ofall.
You went to uh, gaza and youwere there when things started
(09:58):
to just start popping off inOctober.
You were there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right, right.
Well, I went to Israel andwhile I was there, the war
started, oh my goodness, and soI.
We had just got to, we hadspent some time in the Sea of
Galilee, and then I got baptizedin the Jordan River, which was
such an amazing experiencebecause it was with my childhood
(10:25):
pastor, who originally baptizedme over 20 years ago.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Right.
Shout out to pastor.
Give your pastor a shout out.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yes, reverend Clarence Moore, you had good old
Baptist tub that they dip youdown.
Yes, right.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's a full ocean spray plunge.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And in the Jordan.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
River, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
In the Jordan River it was even more beautiful and
nobody cares about your hair.
We going in.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We going in Nobody cares about your hair, we going
in, we going in, we going down.
Um, so we did that.
And then afterwards we weresupposed to head to Jericho and
we got word uh, as they put it,a developing situation, we have
a developing situation.
So they were like we're takingyou guys straight to Jerusalem,
we're not going to Jericho.
(11:18):
And as we were driving toJerusalem, we saw smoke in the
distance.
And you know, you don't reallyfor me, I mean now that I'm back
home and I understandeverything that was happening
but there you saw smoke and youthought, hmm, there's smoke in
(11:40):
the distance, but you don'tthink that's, you know the war
that's starting, or a bomb oranything like that.
And I remember our bus driverdriving really, really fast,
like just this sense of urgencyamong all of the leaders, the
locals, the locals.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's what I wanted to know.
How was your guide, what?
How was his demeanor and howdid it change from the time you
got there, when everything wasokay, versus by the time it was
like, yeah, we can't go there,we have to go east or we have to
go west?
They had to keep keeping youwest, east, right, right,
(12:19):
because the West Bank is whereit was about to go really bad,
so they had to keep bringing youeast.
Your itinerary that you paidfor it said take me west.
Exactly, y'all didn't reallyknow what was going on, right,
right, they have a developingstory, or developing situation,
right, right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So they were overall very calm throughout it.
I mean, for me, sometimes, justbecause I watched body language
, I could see that it went fromlike sometimes, when we were at
certain places before everythinghad started, that they were
like okay, let's go, let's go towhere after everything started.
They were trying to keep us incertain what?
Now I would probably considersafe areas longer, but I think
(13:07):
the guides were absolutelyamazing in the sense of we
continue to tour even whileeverything was going on, to tour
even while everything was goingon, but some of the places
obviously we weren't able to goto because of the war.
So after a while we got.
(13:30):
Once we realized, well,actually, once Israel declared
war, we realized, okay, well,well, it's time to go right my
name Bennett and I ain't in itright, right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's time to go home, so we but some people didn't
want to go, y'all can keep thatcoat and that's in that luggage.
I'm just gonna take thispassport and get on home now if
I can take the coat.
That be nice, but I don't needthis coat.
I'll give me another coat whenI get home.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Right, right, right, yeah.
So you know, it was interestinghow the tour guys had a little
bit more like okay, let us keepthem safe, Let us move here,
move there.
I could tell they were verystrategic.
I could tell that they huddleda lot more and talked.
But the hotel people that wasan interesting space because I
(14:19):
think the hotel people were morelike you know, it's war, what
are you going to do, Right,which for us it was a little
different because we were like Iain't used to that, Right.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you're telling Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have a question, like oh, Iain't used to that, right, so
you're telling whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have a question.
So are you telling me the hotelstaff was going on about their
day as if there was not a bombgoing on or off like a mile down
the road?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, so, in good news, I didn't hear any bombs
going off once we got toJerusalem.
So the only time we saw fireand again, I didn't hear any, we
just saw smoke was in routefrom the Sea of Galilee area to
(15:06):
Jerusalem.
So, over to the far side wasthe West Bank and you could see
so in that area.
But I mean again, I didn't know.
That's the West Bank, that'sJericho.
Like I didn't know that, I justnoticed, oh, there's smoke over
there, that's a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How were the roads and the stores and the people
there?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, no, everyone, literally, you know.
I think the part that wasreally interesting is that, even
though I felt safe the entiretime, it was a matter of the
normalcy, like how normal thissituation was kind of for the
people.
So for the people in Israel atleast, it was just Tuesday.
(16:00):
Exactly.
But you could also tell because, like where I was, we saw
Palestine flags as well.
So you could really see thatthis was a situation that had a
lot of people divided, obviously, like it does still now, but
also that this was a way ofsomewhat life.
And so after we realized, well,after the airport started
(16:21):
closing, tel Aviv, where we hadflew in, closed down and the
situation got worse, weevacuated to Jordan, which I
would say that that was the onlytime that I started to feel
scared.
And I think it was a couple ofthings.
Well, one, you know, it was atwo hour drive to two hour drive
(16:42):
to the, to the border of Jordan, and then we waited three hours
on the bus, because that's howlong the line was to get into
Jordan, with a whole bunch ofother groups trying to cross the
border.
So we waited three hours to getinto Jordan and then another
(17:03):
two and a half hours two and ahalf, three hours to be
processed, and then, five hoursafter we got processed and all
of that stuff, they closed theJordan border down.
How many people were on thetrip with you?
Oh, 60.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Wow, and you flew in separate, like you.
You were with the group, butyou weren't traveling on their
charter.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Exactly yeah.
So the group flew from, the mostof the group flew from Atlanta
and I flew out of DC, and sothat was also a really hard part
.
So I went on the trip with mymom and, oh wow, Sometimes it
still gets me a little emotionalbut we had to separate because
they couldn't get that group of60 out all in the one charter
(17:59):
and so they ended up having tostart breaking up that group,
which was like OK, eight peoplecan get on this flight, ten
people can get on this flight.
You know I had offered to evenfly back to atlanta if that was
easier, just to not leave my mom.
But because I was flying out,flying back to dc, it was easier
for me to get on a flight to dc.
(18:20):
And you know it came thedecision of do I go and just you
know body on the plane, get outof here, get on a flight, or do
I stay?
So then I can fly out and makesure my mom gets out.
But the concern with that wasthat if I stayed and then she
got out because she was going toAtlanta and something happened
(18:43):
to the DC flight, then I wouldbe there by myself.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Then you're stuck with nobody and she's at least
with the group that she camewith, exactly right.
Oh my god, that isheart-wrenching.
And mom is thinking get on the.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
She's like get on the plane yeah, she's like I don't
know what you think you're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You're getting on the plane right, she don't want to
hear nothing.
Mom is not having it right.
First of all, she was alreadyup doing push-ups.
Okay, mom was like it's leg day.
First of all, it's still legday, how?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
about that right.
So that was the hardest part, Ithink, for me was being in a
space to where one we had toseparate, and then also with the
crossing over to jordan.
That was the first time.
Know, here I'm used to theracism like I'm used, but you
know I'm used to my U S type ofracism.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Right, it's a certain flavor.
It's like there you go.
It's like down South racismversus up North racism or out
West it's it is different.
But now you're out of thecountry racism and how was that?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That was.
I would say that that was thetime that I got scared, and I
think it was because one of thethings that I'm not used to is
the whole gender piece.
So now I'm a woman and you knowthey're speaking to me very
like get away from here, shooingme.
(20:11):
But then there's also thispiece of the point that you're
Black that you know.
So, for an example, you know wewere there, like I said, we
were waiting like three hours.
It took us about three hours toget processed, and so there was
this group of white travelersthat were all sitting in this
(20:33):
area and then their group gotcalled up to be processed, and
so then my group went over tosit in the area that they were
and all of the police peoplecame and they were like no, no,
no, you can't sit there, youcan't sit there.
And I had to stop my mombecause she was like but were
(20:56):
just like mama, look, we're notabout to argue with these people
.
If they say they don't want usto sit here, you better pull up
your luggage and sit on yourluggage.
You can't sit on a bench it'slike listen, we not.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is not the time, mom.
She like well, they were justmom right, which is why you
ain't want to leave her sideeither.
Exactly, he's giving them,first of all, what we're not
going to do and you're like, yes, they will, because we're not
home.
Mom Right, you don't get onephone call, you don't have no
standard civil rights.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's.
The other thing is like whenyou're in these other countries,
you don't know what those, whatthose rules are, you know, like
even for the passport.
Like they didn't give, theywouldn't give you your passport
back.
Like they gave it to a man inour group and then the man
distributed all of our passportsback to us wait.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So you hand your stuff to your passport, to the
general, your documents, theylook it over and then they just
give it to whoever the man is inthe group they collect it, they
kept it and then, and then,they give them all back to the
man because they're in charge Imean, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh, wow, you know things like we were.
Again, we were a group of 60and so in our group we had one,
um, italian lady traveling withus, and you know even her.
Sometimes they would be like,are you sure you're with them?
You're with them because she'sthe only you know white person
(22:25):
in our entire group and she'd belike, yeah, I'm with them.
And they're like, okay, well,you come to the front person in
our entire group and she'd belike, yeah, I'm with them.
And they're like, okay, well,you come to the front and they
would constantly bring her.
So anytime we were in a linehaving to go or process, and we
were being processed out of onecountry, processed into another
one, they would bring her,wherever she was, to the front
(22:46):
of the line to lead the line.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So wait a minute.
So it's like bring, yeah,you're with them, all right,
fine, then we'll let them in,and but now she's.
Now, does she get, um, uh, Iwanted the word gravitas, but
does she get like, play over theguys?
If it's a black man and a whitewoman, who we choosing?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
well.
So when it came to the linepieces or who would go first
with scanning and things likethat, she would go first.
But when it came to the wholepassport thing, that was still
very much male patriarchal, verypatriarchal, wow.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So you were catching it on every end and you felt,
and it just felt different.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Oh, it felt different .
It felt like I could say Idon't know what I could say.
It felt like they couldliterally do anything and Wow,
like you just be quiet, like inthose situations, right, so you
felt like a black person inquiet, like in those situations,
right?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So you felt like a Black person in the 1930s in
America.
So you was on 1887 in Alabama.
Yeah, you shut your mouth.
You shut your mouth, exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And look honey.
I'm mute okay, I am mute.
No, no, no, no, no, shut up,all right, zip Like I'm not,
just because I don't want thatsmoke.
I want no smoke and nobody inthe country Dr.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Celeste, you gave him the Friday when he was like
listen, he'd be like shut up,he'd be quiet.
But when he leave, I starttalking again.
Dvl be like shut up, he'd bequiet, but when he leave, I
(24:43):
start talking again.
Db I'll be like shut up.
I've been quiet exactly exactlyhe's like I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But no, I remember I was in texas when you were in
gaza and, um, I was at aconference.
Huh, in Israel, in Israel, Ikeep saying the wrong, that's
okay.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And your text messages to me, because I'm
watching the news from our pointof view.
So I'm watching American newsfrom Texas, so I'm watching it
with, obviously, the Americanspin on it, and I'm like this is
not good.
And I'm texting you and you'relike, no is not good.
And I'm texting you and you'relike, no, everything's fine,
we're okay, we're just movingalong.
And then, as it got worse, Icould feel the desperation in
(25:23):
your text and how it was comingoff.
And I'm like, oh, no, we've.
And I remember sitting atbreakfast with my husband and
I'm like, yes, things havechanged.
She's not.
She is not as happy and golucky as she was yesterday.
Yesterday you were like, no,you know, we're just bop, bop,
bop.
And look at picture of me,click, click, jesus.
(25:43):
And then it was like, yeah,jesus, I need you to get me out
of here, right?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
yeah, I think the thing for me that changed was
once things started closing down, like the airport started
closing down and flights startedgetting canceled, and then once
I knew that, you know, my momand I wouldn't be able to leave
at the same time, I think thatthat was when it was a moment of
like okay, and to be honest, Idon't really know that whole
(26:10):
situation in the sense of like,I don't know how that works Like
what's off limits, what's notoff limits, and you know, do you
just go dropping bombseverywhere, like you know are
you?
Are you targeting touristpeople?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Are we acknowledging the UN?
Is there a treaty?
I don't know, and are we justwho's in?
I don't know, it's too much,exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And then the other thing too, that was that I
didn't know until being there.
Is that there?
There's also the religion thatcomes into place, and so you
know you have, um, christianityis basically the lowest on the
totem pole in regards to the waythey view things.
(26:58):
So I also didn't know that part.
I'm Christian, I'm Black andI'm an American.
Is that a good thing over hereor a bad thing?
How does that play?
How does that play?
And so I think the, the, thelast part that was just so scary
was leaving.
(27:18):
So once we, so once I finallygot to Jordan, I had time to
shower, eat, and then I had tobe to the airport to get on a
plane to head back here, becauseagain, it was planes on.
You know, bodies on planes.
First flight out you can get.
We need to get people out ofhere.
And the flight was delayed foranother almost two and a half
(27:41):
hours because they wereconcerned about the airspace.
And that was the first timethat I got on the plane and you
know the.
I got on the plane and you knowthe fear wasn't the plane
crashing, the fear was that theplane would be accidentally shot
down.
Yeah, so that was so it was alot, but I do.
(28:05):
I thank you for everybody'sprayers.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's not like.
Well, I'll just take a ferry.
There's no other way.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You have to get on this plane.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And you're like how they know I'm friend or foe and
do they care if I'm friend orfoe?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That's the real thing .
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Do they care if they just shooting stuff down?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And so even in the whole delay thing, like you know
, they were like oh, it's justdelayed, it's just delayed, it's
just delayed.
And you know me, I'minquisitive, excuse me, sir, why
is the plane delayed andthey're?
And then they say we're tryingto make sure the airspace is
safe, so it's like okay, right,right, you know what I'm just
(28:44):
gonna have?
I'm just gonna sit down andhave your version of a coca-cola
.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm gonna have your version of coca-cola, whatever
that is.
Oh, and it's still coke.
This is wonderful.
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down andhave your version of a Coca-Cola
.
I'm going to have your versionof Coca-Cola, whatever that is
oh and it's still Coke.
This is wonderful.
I'm just going to sit down andhave a spot of tea and shut my
mouth Right.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
So thank you so much for your prayers and everybody's
prayers I'm definitely prayingfor just that entire situation
is very it's just hurtful, youknow, and it also made me
realize the power that we haveas believers to be able to
believe what you want.
(29:20):
And then you know the otherthing that someone brought up
that I'd never thought about,but just even the privilege of
being an American and being ableto just cross over to whatever
border you know, and yourpassport is good, it's not on a
list to where, like, you can'tcome in or something like that,
(29:42):
and so it was definitely alesson.
And I would love to go back youknow, once they get it together.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
When you look, you know, once they get it together.
When you look at when they getit together, when you look at
being an American and it changeswhen you go across real lines,
you know we can go to Mexico orto DR.
But when you really gosomewhere and you realize how no
, the American is not, it'spretty good over here.
(30:11):
It's not, it's not so, it's notso shit.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yes, my only thing was it was crazy because when I
got back to the US so one of thethings that I love when I get
back to the US and I travelthrough Atlanta, they always say
welcome home.
And I just think that's so nice, like, yes, welcome home.
And so I, you know, I camethrough dc.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So they were just like, all right, yeah, they got
folks traveling uh internationalall the time through right I'm
like where's my welcome home?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I miss.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm so glad to be back home I was wondering, were
you going to drop on them likelisten, listen, I work for DC, I
work for the federal government.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, I did say you know, because at one point, when
we weren't sure if our travelagent was going to be able to
get us out, I registered mom andmyself on the State Department
emergency.
Yeah, you did Send help Right.
Send help now send help now.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Send help now.
List.
Right, I work for y'all.
I'm so down, oh my gosh.
So that's how we doing it, huh,alright, well, what we'll do is
we'll wrap it up, okay, youready for it?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
should I stop this to separate it?
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Speaker 2 (31:59):
Thank you Bye.
Hey, brain friends, today we got a great show for
you, though it doesn't dive intoour usual subjects of stroke,
aphasia and brain health.
It is a wonderful conversationwith Dr Celeste that we captured
when she returned from Israel.
She and her church was like agroup of 60.
(00:26):
And, of course, my dudes.
They were all there when a warbroke out and the borders in the
airports were being closed.
They had a time.
So Dr Celeste shares thatexperience with us and we
decided to tape it and notreally knowing if we were going
(00:48):
to use it or drop it as anepisode, but we decided Well,
actually I'm not going to holdy'all.
I was like, listen, I need youto really share what happened.
And she was like, listen,celeste, I'll take that free
therapy session.
(01:09):
I'm so with it.
No, but we sat and we chattedabout what had happened, what
she had seen, how it felt, andit was a great, great episode.
And, like I said, I wasn't sureif we were going to ever drop
it.
But, um, we, I'm glad we tapedit.
So I'm gonna go ahead and sharethat with you guys.
Now this is also may, which isstroke awareness month, and it's
(01:32):
also gemini season.
It's all season.
I'm celebrating because thismarks her birthday.
She was a gemini, she was bornin 82.
And she loved to celebrate herbirthday.
She was about her birthday, shewas about that life.
So, um, she's forever in ourthoughts and our prayers and in
(01:53):
my heart.
So this episode is really justa way of sharing her light and
her laughter.
It's also on YouTube in fullvideo form so you can see, you
can just see us busting it up,just enjoying each other's
company and her telling thistale, and you can just hear.
(02:16):
Just listen y'all.
Y'all about to get to it.
I'm about to get y'all to it.
Also, it's your kindness andencouragement that we've built
this incredible community and tokeep the show going and growing
, I'm currently looking forsponsors who want to partner
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So I am thrilled to announceAlso oh, I'm sorry.
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Let me say what I want to sayclearly Again.
(03:22):
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(04:29):
So I'm about to raise thisglass and say here's to you, dr
Celeste we love you and we missyou, and may the souls of the
faithful departed through themercy of God Rest in peace.
Amen.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Let's get it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
All right now.
Welcome to Brain Friends, wheretwo neuro nerds talk all things
aphasia, language recovery,culture and community.
I am Dr DeTrina Celeste Gatson,a clinical speech-language
pathologist and neuroscientist,and I am Angie.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Cawthorn stroke survivor and aphasia advocate.
Welcome to our show.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Welcome to Brain Friends.
We want to thank all of ourlisteners for downloading the
podcast.
We appreciate everyonelistening, so please tell a
friend.
To tell a friend that we arehere and we are okay, angie, how
are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
what is going on with you?
It is all about you.
Welcome home, welcome back.
It is a blessing to see you.
Thank you, I got too muchsunshine coming in on me there
we go.
Sunshine on you Ain't too much.
It ain't never going to be toomuch sunshine, honey because you
the light.
Okay, come on, god, bring thislight on me, shine on me, lord.
(06:01):
Yes, I receive all of that.
I do, you know.
I realized that my brainsituation with sunlight, my
relationship with cloudy daysand sunny days, I didn't realize
how much I I, I mean, I know werequire the sun is humans, but
like I be needing the sun I'llbe sure the days are not for me.
(06:23):
I'm more more of a.
I'm more of a Southern girl.
I need that.
I need that.
I need sunlight till 7.
This 4 PM is not for me.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So do you feel like that increased after your stroke
or?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it may.
I think my, because mydepression and anxiety increase.
Therefore the feeling ofdownness which is normal, you
know, in the winter winter blues.
It has a name for a reason,right, okay, but I do think it
is more when I have this sincethe stroke it is more is I think
(07:05):
, I know it is.
It definitely affects me morethan it did prior.
Yeah, the not having the sun,the not having the sun.
I am in need of sunlight, andlook at that sun coming back in
here.
Okay, come on, son.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
You better manifest it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yes, oh my gosh, but I mean we all have that.
You know, uh, what they umclinical weather, there's a word
for it.
It's more than winter blues butit's like clinical or weather
depression anyway, yeah, butit's definitely if it would have
(07:43):
been at a five before.
It was at a seven since thestroke oh wow, that would be
everything.
Whatever it was, it's up two orthree.
Okay, like I used to be able tocontrol my anxiety.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, now it's a seven it's only seven at all
times, unless I medicate soundslike we might need to do another
mental health episode.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Listen I still ain't got no black therapist, so I
don't want to call you out.
But the reason I called youoriginally yeah, yeah, do the
face Because the first time Icalled you, if you recall,
before we done made a podcast,got listeners worldwide, Right
worldwide, and you still don'thave no therapist Podcast got
listeners worldwide.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right Worldwide, angie still don't have no
therapy.
Okay, so I got to.
So one if you're in the PhillyJersey area, licensed in that
area Angie is open to therapy.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I don't even know now .
I don't know Should I?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, honey, I'm back in therapy so.
I am a therapy advocate.
I think that it's so importantto have someone that can help
you organize your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never participated but I want to like,
if I found, if I thought Ifound the right mix to, to give
me that where I feel comfortablescene.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So okay, so we got to make sure, we, I have to make
sure that I follow up on that,because, yeah, you did say do I
know a therapist?
And I was like I don't know atherapist, but, um, I was
thinking about a podcast.
Can we record our conversations?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
right, I don't know nothing what you're talking
about, but here I'm thinking oh,that is too much, so listen.
Um well, first of all, let mejust say this I'm spinning this
around welcome home, thank you.
Tell me about your, first ofall.
You went to uh, gaza and youwere there when things started
(09:58):
to just start popping off inOctober.
You were there.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right, right.
Well, I went to Israel andwhile I was there, the war
started, oh my goodness, and soI.
We had just got to, we hadspent some time in the Sea of
Galilee, and then I got baptizedin the Jordan River, which was
such an amazing experiencebecause it was with my childhood
(10:25):
pastor, who originally baptizedme over 20 years ago.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Right.
Shout out to pastor.
Give your pastor a shout out.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yes, reverend Clarence Moore, you had good old
Baptist tub that they dip youdown.
Yes, right.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That's a full ocean spray plunge.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And in the Jordan.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
River, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
In the Jordan River it was even more beautiful and
nobody cares about your hair.
We going in.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We going in Nobody cares about your hair, we going
in, we going in, we going down.
Um, so we did that.
And then afterwards we weresupposed to head to Jericho and
we got word uh, as they put it,a developing situation, we have
a developing situation.
So they were like we're takingyou guys straight to Jerusalem,
we're not going to Jericho.
(11:18):
And as we were driving toJerusalem, we saw smoke in the
distance.
And you know, you don't reallyfor me, I mean now that I'm back
home and I understandeverything that was happening
but there you saw smoke and youthought, hmm, there's smoke in
(11:40):
the distance, but you don'tthink that's, you know the war
that's starting, or a bomb oranything like that.
And I remember our bus driverdriving really, really fast,
like just this sense of urgencyamong all of the leaders, the
locals, the locals.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's what I wanted to know.
How was your guide, what?
How was his demeanor and howdid it change from the time you
got there, when everything wasokay, versus by the time it was
like, yeah, we can't go there,we have to go east or we have to
go west?
They had to keep keeping youwest, east, right, right,
(12:19):
because the West Bank is whereit was about to go really bad,
so they had to keep bringing youeast.
Your itinerary that you paidfor it said take me west.
Exactly, y'all didn't reallyknow what was going on, right,
right, they have a developingstory, or developing situation,
right, right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So they were overall very calm throughout it.
I mean, for me, sometimes, justbecause I watched body language
, I could see that it went fromlike sometimes, when we were at
certain places before everythinghad started, that they were
like okay, let's go, let's go towhere after everything started.
They were trying to keep us incertain what?
Now I would probably considersafe areas longer, but I think
(13:07):
the guides were absolutelyamazing in the sense of we
continue to tour even whileeverything was going on, to tour
even while everything was goingon, but some of the places
obviously we weren't able to goto because of the war.
So after a while we got.
(13:30):
Once we realized, well,actually, once Israel declared
war, we realized, okay, well,well, it's time to go right my
name Bennett and I ain't in itright, right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's time to go home, so we but some people didn't
want to go, y'all can keep thatcoat and that's in that luggage.
I'm just gonna take thispassport and get on home now if
I can take the coat.
That be nice, but I don't needthis coat.
I'll give me another coat whenI get home.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Right, right, right, yeah.
So you know, it was interestinghow the tour guys had a little
bit more like okay, let us keepthem safe, Let us move here,
move there.
I could tell they were verystrategic.
I could tell that they huddleda lot more and talked.
But the hotel people that wasan interesting space because I
(14:19):
think the hotel people were morelike you know, it's war, what
are you going to do, Right,which for us it was a little
different because we were like Iain't used to that, Right.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you're telling Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have a question, like oh, Iain't used to that, right, so
you're telling whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have a question.
So are you telling me the hotelstaff was going on about their
day as if there was not a bombgoing on or off like a mile down
the road?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, so, in good news, I didn't hear any bombs
going off once we got toJerusalem.
So the only time we saw fireand again, I didn't hear any, we
just saw smoke was in routefrom the Sea of Galilee area to
(15:06):
Jerusalem.
So, over to the far side wasthe West Bank and you could see
so in that area.
But I mean again, I didn't know.
That's the West Bank, that'sJericho.
Like I didn't know that, I justnoticed, oh, there's smoke over
there, that's a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How were the roads and the stores and the people
there?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, no, everyone, literally, you know.
I think the part that wasreally interesting is that, even
though I felt safe the entiretime, it was a matter of the
normalcy, like how normal thissituation was kind of for the
people.
So for the people in Israel atleast, it was just Tuesday.
(16:00):
Exactly.
But you could also tell because, like where I was, we saw
Palestine flags as well.
So you could really see thatthis was a situation that had a
lot of people divided, obviously, like it does still now, but
also that this was a way ofsomewhat life.
And so after we realized, well,after the airport started
(16:21):
closing, tel Aviv, where we hadflew in, closed down and the
situation got worse, weevacuated to Jordan, which I
would say that that was the onlytime that I started to feel
scared.
And I think it was a couple ofthings.
Well, one, you know, it was atwo hour drive to two hour drive
(16:42):
to the, to the border of Jordan, and then we waited three hours
on the bus, because that's howlong the line was to get into
Jordan, with a whole bunch ofother groups trying to cross the
border.
So we waited three hours to getinto Jordan and then another
(17:03):
two and a half hours two and ahalf, three hours to be
processed, and then, five hoursafter we got processed and all
of that stuff, they closed theJordan border down.
How many people were on thetrip with you?
Oh, 60.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Wow, and you flew in separate, like you.
You were with the group, butyou weren't traveling on their
charter.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Exactly yeah.
So the group flew from, the mostof the group flew from Atlanta
and I flew out of DC, and sothat was also a really hard part
.
So I went on the trip with mymom and, oh wow, Sometimes it
still gets me a little emotionalbut we had to separate because
they couldn't get that group of60 out all in the one charter
(17:59):
and so they ended up having tostart breaking up that group,
which was like OK, eight peoplecan get on this flight, ten
people can get on this flight.
You know I had offered to evenfly back to atlanta if that was
easier, just to not leave my mom.
But because I was flying out,flying back to dc, it was easier
for me to get on a flight to dc.
(18:20):
And you know it came thedecision of do I go and just you
know body on the plane, get outof here, get on a flight, or do
I stay?
So then I can fly out and makesure my mom gets out.
But the concern with that wasthat if I stayed and then she
got out because she was going toAtlanta and something happened
(18:43):
to the DC flight, then I wouldbe there by myself.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Then you're stuck with nobody and she's at least
with the group that she camewith, exactly right.
Oh my god, that isheart-wrenching.
And mom is thinking get on the.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
She's like get on the plane yeah, she's like I don't
know what you think you're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You're getting on the plane right, she don't want to
hear nothing.
Mom is not having it right.
First of all, she was alreadyup doing push-ups.
Okay, mom was like it's leg day.
First of all, it's still legday, how?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
about that right.
So that was the hardest part, Ithink, for me was being in a
space to where one we had toseparate, and then also with the
crossing over to jordan.
That was the first time.
Know, here I'm used to theracism like I'm used, but you
know I'm used to my U S type ofracism.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Right, it's a certain flavor.
It's like there you go.
It's like down South racismversus up North racism or out
West it's it is different.
But now you're out of thecountry racism and how was that?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That was.
I would say that that was thetime that I got scared, and I
think it was because one of thethings that I'm not used to is
the whole gender piece.
So now I'm a woman and you knowthey're speaking to me very
like get away from here, shooingme.
(20:11):
But then there's also thispiece of the point that you're
Black that you know.
So, for an example, you know wewere there, like I said, we
were waiting like three hours.
It took us about three hours toget processed, and so there was
this group of white travelersthat were all sitting in this
(20:33):
area and then their group gotcalled up to be processed, and
so then my group went over tosit in the area that they were
and all of the police peoplecame and they were like no, no,
no, you can't sit there, youcan't sit there.
And I had to stop my mombecause she was like but were
(20:56):
just like mama, look, we're notabout to argue with these people
.
If they say they don't want usto sit here, you better pull up
your luggage and sit on yourluggage.
You can't sit on a bench it'slike listen, we not.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is not the time, mom.
She like well, they were justmom right, which is why you
ain't want to leave her sideeither.
Exactly, he's giving them,first of all, what we're not
going to do and you're like, yes, they will, because we're not
home.
Mom Right, you don't get onephone call, you don't have no
standard civil rights.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's.
The other thing is like whenyou're in these other countries,
you don't know what those, whatthose rules are, you know, like
even for the passport.
Like they didn't give, theywouldn't give you your passport
back.
Like they gave it to a man inour group and then the man
distributed all of our passportsback to us wait.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So you hand your stuff to your passport, to the
general, your documents, theylook it over and then they just
give it to whoever the man is inthe group they collect it, they
kept it and then, and then,they give them all back to the
man because they're in charge Imean, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh, wow, you know things like we were.
Again, we were a group of 60and so in our group we had one,
um, italian lady traveling withus, and you know even her.
Sometimes they would be like,are you sure you're with them?
You're with them because she'sthe only you know white person
(22:25):
in our entire group and she'd belike, yeah, I'm with them.
And they're like, okay, well,you come to the front person in
our entire group and she'd belike, yeah, I'm with them.
And they're like, okay, well,you come to the front and they
would constantly bring her.
So anytime we were in a linehaving to go or process, and we
were being processed out of onecountry, processed into another
one, they would bring her,wherever she was, to the front
(22:46):
of the line to lead the line.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So wait a minute.
So it's like bring, yeah,you're with them, all right,
fine, then we'll let them in,and but now she's.
Now, does she get, um, uh, Iwanted the word gravitas, but
does she get like, play over theguys?
If it's a black man and a whitewoman, who we choosing?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
well.
So when it came to the linepieces or who would go first
with scanning and things likethat, she would go first.
But when it came to the wholepassport thing, that was still
very much male patriarchal, verypatriarchal, wow.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So you were catching it on every end and you felt,
and it just felt different.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Oh, it felt different .
It felt like I could say Idon't know what I could say.
It felt like they couldliterally do anything and Wow,
like you just be quiet, like inthose situations, right, so you
felt like a black person inquiet, like in those situations,
right?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So you felt like a Black person in the 1930s in
America.
So you was on 1887 in Alabama.
Yeah, you shut your mouth.
You shut your mouth, exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And look honey.
I'm mute okay, I am mute.
No, no, no, no, no, shut up,all right, zip Like I'm not,
just because I don't want thatsmoke.
I want no smoke and nobody inthe country Dr.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Celeste, you gave him the Friday when he was like
listen, he'd be like shut up,he'd be quiet.
But when he leave, I starttalking again.
Dvl be like shut up, he'd bequiet, but when he leave, I
(24:43):
start talking again.
Db I'll be like shut up.
I've been quiet exactly exactlyhe's like I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But no, I remember I was in texas when you were in
gaza and, um, I was at aconference.
Huh, in Israel, in Israel, Ikeep saying the wrong, that's
okay.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And your text messages to me, because I'm
watching the news from our pointof view.
So I'm watching American newsfrom Texas, so I'm watching it
with, obviously, the Americanspin on it, and I'm like this is
not good.
And I'm texting you and you'relike, no is not good.
And I'm texting you and you'relike, no, everything's fine,
we're okay, we're just movingalong.
And then, as it got worse, Icould feel the desperation in
(25:23):
your text and how it was comingoff.
And I'm like, oh, no, we've.
And I remember sitting atbreakfast with my husband and
I'm like, yes, things havechanged.
She's not.
She is not as happy and golucky as she was yesterday.
Yesterday you were like, no,you know, we're just bop, bop,
bop.
And look at picture of me,click, click, jesus.
(25:43):
And then it was like, yeah,jesus, I need you to get me out
of here, right?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
yeah, I think the thing for me that changed was
once things started closing down, like the airport started
closing down and flights startedgetting canceled, and then once
I knew that, you know, my momand I wouldn't be able to leave
at the same time, I think thatthat was when it was a moment of
like okay, and to be honest, Idon't really know that whole
(26:10):
situation in the sense of like,I don't know how that works Like
what's off limits, what's notoff limits, and you know, do you
just go dropping bombseverywhere, like you know are
you?
Are you targeting touristpeople?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Are we acknowledging the UN?
Is there a treaty?
I don't know, and are we justwho's in?
I don't know, it's too much,exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And then the other thing too, that was that I
didn't know until being there.
Is that there?
There's also the religion thatcomes into place, and so you
know you have, um, christianityis basically the lowest on the
totem pole in regards to the waythey view things.
(26:58):
So I also didn't know that part.
I'm Christian, I'm Black andI'm an American.
Is that a good thing over hereor a bad thing?
How does that play?
How does that play?
And so I think the, the, thelast part that was just so scary
was leaving.
(27:18):
So once we, so once I finallygot to Jordan, I had time to
shower, eat, and then I had tobe to the airport to get on a
plane to head back here, becauseagain, it was planes on.
You know, bodies on planes.
First flight out you can get.
We need to get people out ofhere.
And the flight was delayed foranother almost two and a half
(27:41):
hours because they wereconcerned about the airspace.
And that was the first timethat I got on the plane and you
know the.
I got on the plane and you knowthe fear wasn't the plane
crashing, the fear was that theplane would be accidentally shot
down.
Yeah, so that was so it was alot, but I do.
(28:05):
I thank you for everybody'sprayers.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's not like.
Well, I'll just take a ferry.
There's no other way.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You have to get on this plane.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And you're like how they know I'm friend or foe and
do they care if I'm friend orfoe?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That's the real thing .
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Do they care if they just shooting stuff down?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And so even in the whole delay thing, like you know
, they were like oh, it's justdelayed, it's just delayed, it's
just delayed.
And you know me, I'minquisitive, excuse me, sir, why
is the plane delayed andthey're?
And then they say we're tryingto make sure the airspace is
safe, so it's like okay, right,right, you know what I'm just
(28:44):
gonna have?
I'm just gonna sit down andhave your version of a coca-cola
.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm gonna have your version of coca-cola, whatever
that is.
Oh, and it's still coke.
This is wonderful.
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down andhave your version of a Coca-Cola
.
I'm going to have your versionof Coca-Cola, whatever that is
oh and it's still Coke.
This is wonderful.
I'm just going to sit down andhave a spot of tea and shut my
mouth Right.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
So thank you so much for your prayers and everybody's
prayers I'm definitely prayingfor just that entire situation
is very it's just hurtful, youknow, and it also made me
realize the power that we haveas believers to be able to
believe what you want.
(29:20):
And then you know the otherthing that someone brought up
that I'd never thought about,but just even the privilege of
being an American and being ableto just cross over to whatever
border you know, and yourpassport is good, it's not on a
list to where, like, you can'tcome in or something like that,
(29:42):
and so it was definitely alesson.
And I would love to go back youknow, once they get it together.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
When you look, you know, once they get it together.
When you look at when they getit together, when you look at
being an American and it changeswhen you go across real lines,
you know we can go to Mexico orto DR.
But when you really gosomewhere and you realize how no
, the American is not, it'spretty good over here.
(30:11):
It's not, it's not so, it's notso shit.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yes, my only thing was it was crazy because when I
got back to the US so one of thethings that I love when I get
back to the US and I travelthrough Atlanta, they always say
welcome home.
And I just think that's so nice, like, yes, welcome home.
And so I, you know, I camethrough dc.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So they were just like, all right, yeah, they got
folks traveling uh internationalall the time through right I'm
like where's my welcome home?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I miss.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm so glad to be back home I was wondering, were
you going to drop on them likelisten, listen, I work for DC, I
work for the federal government.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, I did say you know, because at one point, when
we weren't sure if our travelagent was going to be able to
get us out, I registered mom andmyself on the State Department
emergency.
Yeah, you did Send help Right.
Send help now send help now.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Send help now.
List.
Right, I work for y'all.
I'm so down, oh my gosh.
So that's how we doing it, huh,alright, well, what we'll do is
we'll wrap it up, okay, youready for it?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
should I stop this to separate it?
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Speaker 2 (31:59):
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