All Episodes

September 8, 2025 3 mins

In this thought-provoking episode of Brains, Bibles and Beyond!, we kick things off with our fan-favorite segment Stump the Theologian, where Joel tackles a surprisingly tricky question: How old were Jesus' disciples, really? Get ready for some historical context, theological insight, and maybe a few surprises.www.brainsandbibles.comwww.thinklikechrist.org

Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Well, all. Right.
So for our first segment, beforewe get started our interview,
you get. It.
We have our favorite segment of the day.
Oh boy. Stump the theologian.
Pressures on where we. All get to come with questions
to make Joel not look smart. All right, so the rules of the

(00:23):
game, if we can get a question that Joel cannot satisfactory
answer, we are winners. Very subjective, but yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's just something we do.
So today's question is, how old were the disciples?
At what point? Right now they're all over 2000

(00:45):
years old. I think, I think it's like when
they were with Jesus, like when he called them, they were how
old? All right, so between two to
three years is all that they're actually there together with,
you know, and John would have been the youngest 1.
And I don't have any sources on me or anything because it's off

(01:06):
the top of my head. But what I from my understand is
anywhere from like 13 to 16 years old, that would have been
John the young guy. And then Peter is the old guy.
And so he probably have been like in his 30s.
I think it was that old. Yeah, maybe, I mean it, it, it
could be like maybe even into maybe early 40s or something,
but you know, probably like a 30s.

(01:27):
So probably around Jesus age, a little bit older than Jesus as
far as his earthly ministry goes.
Yep. You think that's that's the
range basically. Think they're that old?
We know Peter was the only one that was mentioned to be
married, so we just all assume he was the oldest.
He definitely. Yeah.
Well, and he was the, you know, John beat him to the tomb
racing. Sure.
He was the younger guy and Peter's the older guy.

(01:48):
So it's Andrew then? I don't know they're.
Brothers, I just always assume they're all like around like,
you know, late teenage 1718 range.
But I don't just because wasn't wasn't that was that
traditionally when you pick yourrabbi when you're around like
17? Well, you know, you had to show

(02:10):
some promise within the educational system, and then
that kind of determined how goodof a rabbi you could even get.
Sure, but. You, in this case the rabbi,
picked them well. It has to be a mutual.
Little bit. Different, but typically it was
a great honor. You know, somebody, anybody came
to you and said, hey, come be mydisciple kind of thing.
It'd be like a hot dog, you know?

(02:32):
OK, so bottom line is you have no idea how old they were.
That's just the the best guess that I know.
It's like basically out there, but I just can't think of any
sources or anything, which is kind of scary.
So I think it's like the the young and old end and everyone
else is just kind of throwing the mix.
Someone, somewhere in the middle.
How did we know John was the youngest?
Just because he lived the longest.

(02:53):
It's been so long since I even looked at this but I just
remembered this in my head as like my conclusion.
All right, all right. I think we found a stomper then
he didn't know it off the top ofthe head without looking stuff
up. I think.
I think we have a win, guys. I think we have a win.
OK. All right, on to the interview.
Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

The Burden

The Burden

The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2026 iHeartMedia, Inc.