Behind the Glitz and Glamour w/ Jai Rodriguez

Step into the glitzy world of entertainment! Brandi, alongside her co-host James Maas and the dazzling Jai Rodriguez, peel back the curtains on their wild journeys through fame, reality TV, and the ever-evolving entertainment landscape. From the highs and lows of stardom to the jaw-dropping truths behind reality TV's editing magic, they bare it all. But that's not all, folks! Get ready for an intimate dive into their personal lives, where insecurities and relationships take center stage. With sparks of humor, candid confessions, and some tantalizing insights into their ventures on Patreon and OnlyFans, this episode is your VIP pass to the glitz, glamour, and gritty realities of Hollywood's finest. It's a wild ride you won't want to miss!

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Episode Transcript

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Straw Hut Media. You just broughtfor yourself? Did you bring three of
them? Wow? From straw HutMedia. This is Brandy Glanville fun the
film. Hey guys, guess he'shere. They're not you, that's me

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life. I didn't know what wedid work together? We did? Where
where did you work? To?Hi? Hi? Everyone him? We
actually did a pilot for a gameshow together. And we are good.
We're good. They do these kindof mock kind of and they film them
and then they run them through thenetwork and they use them their pitch,

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but they pay you for the day. And were co hosts. No,
we were contestants. It was likeit was like one of those celebrity games
where it's two panels, you know, doing trivia against each other. And
I can't remember the actual theme andI probably couldn't share it because it's a
creative thing. But yeah, butyou know, the cute thing is like
it was we were making ji andlike, you know, they hired us

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for a reason. You're there whenyou do those game shows, you're there
to literally do that. Also dothe most be funny to see because you
never know they want to give theyou know, put their best fit forward.
I don't know that the format wasthe greatest, and I mean,
obviously we're the best, right,So we're funny and memorable, and that's
all you ever want to because evenif every time we do a job or

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an audition, you're not auditioning justfor that job. You're aditioning for everybody
who saw that tape, so inthe future and the other people that are
going to see it and hear aboutit. And so yeah, you know,
we're we've we've all been doing this. And I pointed out before you
guys got here that we could bein a band. We've all released music.
We've all released music. I've getto hear, James is, though

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you've never gone and listened to it, No should I. I also found
out on a recent conversation that youhad on your podcast that there's also nudity
of you online, which I wasblind Why aware you said that there were
naked pictures of yourself somewhere in theether? Is on your podcast? Is

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that not true? Oh? Thereare? Yeah? Oh yeah, there
obviously no professional ones. Oh professionalyou say something for playboys? Yes?
Yes? Was I nude? Yes? Okay? Did they did? I
keep them up though, I'm notsure sure. I also used up this
sponsor adult friend Finder, and Icreated a profile on there, and then

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I'm oh, wait, this isnot Did you find any adult friends?
That's what we'd like to know.I mean, yeah, I found a
couple, but it was just likeonline like you watch each other anyway.
Sorry, I was like so manythings were running through my head and I
was like, oh shit, whichwhich is we're talking about? Yes,
people would buy my sexy pictures onPlayboy. They paid me money. Bye.

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Yes, But so Playboy paid mea bunch of money to go and
do a photo shoot. I wasjust like the gay in the village where
they were like one gay guy,you come to Miami for art. Basil
will launch this thing and we're gonnatake some sexy pictures of you and then
hopefully with a camera in front ofyou. Did you find yourself being more
willing to take off your clothes thanyou thought? I actually got it to

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turn on, yes, especially whensomeone bought one, like I definitely got
a rager. Yeah, because itwas kind of hot. I think I
have like I didn't even realize.I think I'm a lawyer. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure.Anyway, what about you. Do you
like that? Enough about you?It's not about us? Hello, No,
I was looking. Yeah. Sowe've worked together, we're all we've

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all released music. You've done likea one round shot you've done I ever,
I felt like that was aut ofnecessity. And I don't know if
you could speak to this. It'slike you start out in one path.
For me, that was theater andBroadway. Then I would pick up like
a movie is soap whatever, andthen queer I came and sort of educated
the world that I was sort ofthe Puerto Rican Emily post. That was
hard to shake because the biggest showyou're known for is what people you're ever

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going to be known for. That'sI'm a house I forever. So I
here, and it was I tookqueer off my resume. I wasn't allowed
to grow facially here, get tattoos. I became who I always wanted to
be when I moved here seventeen yearsago. But no one would hire me
in the scripted space because I hadthe reality stigma didn't matter. I had
credits, and so I rememb Everyonealso then knew that you were gay,

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so you couldn't during that row rightlet me paint the scene. I don't
think Martin, I don't think wasout. Wasn't out Adam Lambert, you
know, so I was. Wewere really pioneered, but not a lot
of actors. I think it waslike Wilson Cruz, Anthony Rapp patting me
up. There was a I don'twant to get caught by psychology, but

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but you know, you end uphere and you have to redefine yourself.
So I really pushed hard. Iwould my manager at the time, this
is so ballsy. He would belike, Hey, I have a client
who can't go to this. Ipitched you. They said no, but
I know this role as yours go. I went and they came out of
the waiting room and they're like hi, and I was like, hey,
how are you. I brought ahead shot. This back in their headshots
and they saw me and I bookedit because the character was straight and would

(05:10):
moonlight as a drag queen. They'relike, we know he's got the drag
thing down right, we know Bullyeven been a straight guy. I went
in my straight browie Long Island thingand boom. I booked it and it
was such a testament to like thatera of when I got Queer Eye.
I don't know if this happens toyou when you had the first big moment,
all of a sudden, manager's agentset, But what's the meet with
you? And for us? Ikind of think I told you this,
But we had the Queer Eye producersagents meet with all five of us,

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and it was Bravo was new andeverything was new, and we were on
Oprah and ellenor all this stuff,and they were like, we want to
sign you here. And I didn'treally know I had a good agent,
and so I was like, allthe guys were kind of looking. So
they give us a big pitch foothe whole thing fancy. You could see
the hills. It's gorgeous. Thenthey pull us aside one by one and
the guy said, so, whatdo you want to do post Queer Eye

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said, well, I'm an actor. I want to get I've done.
You know, I played a straightguy at LinkedIn Center in this play about
racism, and I played a dragqueen and iconic role on Broadway. I'm
a singer, I wanted. Andhe looked at me blankly and he said,
I don't know what to tell you. You're not gonna be the next
Antonio ben Daris, because for him, that was the apex of Latin masculinity
and hire ability. You don't fitthat, you're not going to work in

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this space. Let's be realistic.And so they were not. They weren't.
So I literally every job I bookBrandy ever since then, I can't
help but I hear him. Ihear him. It's like when I was
modeling, and you know, somebodytold me something about how unsymmetrical my face
was. I every time I seea picture that I like, I still
see that asymmetry and people it juststicks with us, it sticks with you,

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but you know, it's like itbecame the thing that was meant to
be a deterrent, became my motivatingYeah, you know in every booking,
every Yeah, I'm one of thosepeople who became a working actor. I
pop up. My grandmother would say, I was like white Rice and Spanish.
She was like, you're like whiteRice, You're everywhere because when your
least expect to get on your favoriteshow, I'm probably gonna pop up somewhere

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for an episoda two. And Iwould. I mean, obviously all of
us are auditioning for series regulars,and you want to be known for you're
hustling. You're out there hustling lifeoutside because you want to also make sure
that people remember that you are anactor on a singer and performer, and
not the host of this show thatyou know, it's such a huge part
of pop culture. I was thinkingabout that too. It's like the because

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I was talking to friends and wewere trying to do calculations on who was
around before blah blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, yeah, I
think a lot of people in thisgeneration, the younger generation gen Z,
maybe don't really understand because they grewup in in a world where they had
a lot of visibility. We werethe first all outcay cast, which means
we were oddly embraced and or tolerated, but we got into major spaces very

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quickly that formerly queer folks were notinvited to covers of magazines, and we
did a lot. However, weopened a lot of doors. When you're
doing eight shows a week in yourtrue passion on whatever you're hustling, that
feels like like a work and you'reand then for me, Queer Eye was
such a departure from that because Iwas just really being my authentic self,

(08:07):
and I was like, what aweird, interesting thing to get famous for
that you could go back and doit again and choose one or the other,
like you know, obviously it affordedyou a lot of opportunity. It's
like being on Queer Eye. Butthen at the same time you've had to
overcome well back then being gay andalso not being as inclusive as its alpha,
like being Latino. Would you stillwant to choose? Would you want

(08:31):
to be taken seriously in those otherareas? Yeah? Or so It's interesting
because I remember the phone call.There was no reality, so they were
like trying to ask me about auditioningfor something that there was no reference.
They couldn't be like it's like becauseit wasn't like anything Queer Eye. So
I remember knowing that it was fivegay guys we had to be out,
but I remember thinking it's Bravo.Nobody watches Bravo, so I thought I

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was safe and would fly under thewire. In fact, that like the
rap party, we were like toeach other, like so nice to meet,
Yeah, not even And if Ihad to choose it all over again,
I don't know, because to behonest Broadway, the Great White Way.
It was pre Lin Manuel Miranda.So I didn't see a whole lot
of guys that looked like me inleading roles as often, and so I

(09:16):
didn't feel like there was a lotof opportunities. So everything kind of aligned
in the right way. I thinkthe only regret I have is I wish
social media were around back then.And I also wish that I was a
little bit older, because I thinkI would have stepped into my Yeah,
I would have stepped into my voicea little more with more authority. I
think that comes with age and experience. But you know, I like what

(09:37):
the new guys have done. They'vekind of created something completely different and it's
a departure from but it still holdsonto the I think GILS is way more
impactful though, like honestly even likethe first but my point of view in
Australia though like you were on ourmain number one network channel and everyone in
the sixth nine ten ever get paidfor that. Oh never. Here's the

(09:58):
thing. We're talking a little bitoff camera about the you know, there's
a Bethley lawsuit and people ask meall the time now that the actors and
writers are striking. What about realitypeople assume? And I wonder if this
is true for you, that becauseI was on a show like Queer Eye
that airs in all these different countries, still that you could buy the show,
you can rent the show, thatI got residuals or some kind of

(10:20):
passive income from that neverthing, neveranything and then and that was normal.
Should be illegal. It should beillegal. And also that people say,
well, you know what you weresigning up for. No, we didn't
know that because at the time,like you said, Robert was a network
for when you started, that wasa very little network. No one really
you know, knew about it.We didn't know it was going to become

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this giant pop culture icon situation wherethey're going to go and then sell these
shows to all these different countries andair them for the rest of our life.
But I wouldn't know that. ButI wonder too, because your show
delves into your personal matters a whatyou choose to share, and that seems
to be orchestrated and put in frontof you. That's got to feel invasive.

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And the one thing that I reallylike, I love about you is
your resilience. Where does that No, but really But where does that come
from? Because you've been around awhile, You've managed to stay out there,
stay focused, and stay positive throughsome really heavy shit. Yeah.
You know, I grew up ina great family, very very poor family.

(11:24):
I'm a middle child and my parentsare still together. My mom was
a housekeeper and my dad was ajanitor, and we worked really hard,
and we had hard times, andwe had times where you're not getting you
know, you get half your hotdog, you get some beans, and
you get two que com you know. It's so I just feel blessed to
be here. It's almost like Champagneproblem. Yeah. But at the same

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time, I do have a thickskin because of the way I was brought
up. But I wouldn't change thatbecause I will be out there hustling,
working. I don't have the luxuryto go and sit on my say that
time, I'm like, I don'thave the people see me doing odd job,
especially now doing the strike. Likeyou're doing what I'm like, I
have to pay bills, I amnot. Yeah, listen, yeah exactly.

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I mean you guys are similar likethat. Definitely. I know you're
both hustlers out of this and it'slike you have such great work ethic and
you always want to do like everythingI can't, you know, because that's
when I get back in the day. I remember this very famous person pulled
me aside and said, and Iwas like, what is the key to
your longevity? Like and then shesaid, take every job that doesn't sacrifice
your integrity as a human. Ifjust take all the jobs, meaning if

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you always like joy and play inplaying a hundred people in a cabaret space
that brings you joy, imagine whatyou're you're giving to them. Don't judge
it by there needs to be athousand people there, or it needs to
be on the biggest show. Justdo your best and get that check,
you know. And so that's whatI've tried to do, especially if it's
like things that matter, I'm like, there's not really any money, but

(12:54):
I think that project's important. Yeah, no, I'm not saying I would
say, like people are like,why did you do so many shows?
I'm like, because they ask me, and I'm really good at it.
And then why should make so manymovies? And I know people get mad
there, Well, well let's talkabout that, because there is there's a
huge disparity between the folks the wayfolks view reality or people in the unscripted

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space as not working, not talented, not talented. But I have,
even though I've never really done likedocu reality where they follow my life,
I can recognize that as work becauseI've seen it shot. I know how
it's put together. It's a jobwith the same kind of grueling thing.
It takes a specific kind of talent, but it's it's it's not it's not

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as wildly off from the script andstuff. It's an almost like an improv.
You've become a version of yourself forthe camera to entertain. That's right.
There is no script and sometimes thereis, but you you know your
assignment. And so when people arelike, oh, you have no talent,
I'm like, bitch, you haveno idea what I feel like society
some piece of society or catching uplike they're getting it and they're starting to

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understand the underbelly of it all ifthere's a talent in it, and just
because like let's say a singer isnaturally talented, right, and there is
some natural talent that goes into beingin nonscripted and like that's still working just
because you're naturally good at picking outthe best parts of yourself and amping them
up and being there and finding thebest storylines. And I mean because people
are like people like the Kardashians,that is a very specific talent. Talent.

(14:28):
It's a talent to create that kindof interest in it. Whether it's
Christian whoever, but even you knowthe opportunities that come out. Like personally,
I thought Kim Kardashian was great onS and L. She was great.
Oddly, I was like, Oh, what's this going to be?
That was the turning point for mewhere I'm so glad. I just said
that she was good that because Ishe understood the jokes, has that work

(14:48):
ethic. That was that is whereI feel like I have respect for her.
Yeah, and like and I loveI feel like they're my family because
my family's not here. They're innorthern California, so they're always in the
background. Doesn't watch any of thoseshows, and she was like, I'm
sitting here watching a thing called Time. They get so much and I'm like,
well, you listen. I'm sureI would love them or hate them,
like you cannot deny that they do. They have a lot on their

(15:11):
play they're managing businesses, and dothey have indispensable income when yes, deep
pockets, yes, all of that, but of the show because they made
it. Yeah, And it's like, you know, a sex tape can
only take you but so far.So people can't go back to that because
now I have Aboudy and their momgot a sex you know, because I'm
just thinking about making one. Wouldyou ever do like an only fans or

(15:41):
something? I wait, we talked, You talked about this and you did
a little shower thing. So Ihave Patreon, which is not like I
have like a first trap section calledSpicy Land, but it's not like it's
a butt pigs, shirtless pictures likeseductive but also like a podcast. We're
talking about love, sex and intimates. See and I feel like there's thirty

(16:03):
years, forty years from now onmy deathbed, I know I'm gonna be
like, why why didn't I atleast shoot like skin Amax stuff the same
things I would have been anything,Yeah, the same thing would have been
asked to do on an HBO.Do you need to start? Started?
And honestly, like a lot ofpeople, there is a stigma to it.
Everyone thinks it is porn, andthere is porn on there, but

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Ellen DeGeneres is on their Draing comedy, Whitney Cummings is on their Drain comedy.
People are teaching yoga doing you know, pelotoniss race Condrive is did you
think about two? And I,you know, I posted I guess as
a thirst trap. It's a pictureof me and the speed or whatever,
and all the gay publications how dareyou? Gay publications picked it up and

(16:48):
had the discussion. But interestingly enough, I liked it because they said,
we're looking respectfully, of course,and then the conversation was about me being
forty four and doing that, whichI kind of embraced because as we get
older, it's like when I wasgrowing up, it was like twenty six,
twenty seven, thirty, maybe itwas top of food chain. After
that, you're old, you're notdesirable, stay in those T shirts.

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But you know, it's like,I don't want to condition myself to only
be aroused by a twenty something thatI don't want to date. You know,
It's like I like that we're ableto embrace our sexuality in a way
that feels comfortable for us and thatwe feel comfortable sharing on our terms.
Like you know, I did itbecause I turned fifty and I was I
think you're going to regret it lateron, Like you said that you didn't

(17:33):
take a million. Yes, Iwant to shoot. Well, I'll make
you blind and he's he's alive.You don't love about Okay, So here's
the thing about James. Like Jameshas a very sharp wit and quick tongue,
and it's one of the things Ilike best about you. But you
have this also brutal honesty and theaccent. He gets away with murder with

(17:56):
the accent. But I would trustyour opinion because of that big deal.
You don't ever seem to say things. No, he's not flowery just for
the sake of it. Not enoughtime for that. No you don't.
I'm busy. And that's why I'mdrawing to him as well, because we're
very similar and I get his humorand I get when he's not. I
love this podcast today all about Dames. Now we just hit it off because

(18:21):
like he's a real human and Ilove that because there's so many yes people
that will because you're on TV orI'm on TV, will be like,
oh my god, you're so perfectand telling you everything you want to hear.
I've been dating a lot. Idon't know how this is going for
you, but like you have,there's a couple different categories, especially for
someone like me who, like youknow, my day to day is not
a list Hollywood life. Every nowand again, I'm on a project that

(18:45):
dips me in right dip right out. But I'm sure your Instagram looks flashlight,
yes, and I have to dothat professionally, so people like,
I wonder what he's up to there. Oh, and casting looks at that,
like people look at that. That'show I see because they start following
me when I start project, almostlike the director is following me, so
like you know, means I'm aware. So that being said, though,
like this whole idea of who weare, it's tricky to date because you

(19:11):
have a people who want to dateyou because of who they think you are,
and then people who want to dateyou genuinely but don't really know how
to engage with you because they're frightenedyou might be full of yourself authors and
I'm like, come to my humbleapartment and see how I live, and
then it will really redirect how Iview myself, Like I am lucky if

(19:34):
a couple months out of the year, I'm working on something fancy. The
rest of my life. You'll seeme at the Trader Joe's, you know,
I mean, like I'm just anormal whatever. So the idea,
the idea of me to some people'sattractions, yes, then they actually yeah,
And I'm like, you need toget to know me and like my
show because because you may be verydisappointed. If you're wanting all the sparkle

(19:55):
all the time, I don't deliver, like that doesn't even exist for people
that are I don't think you wantthose people. It's hard. I thought
it was really good at waiting themout. But people are getting better,
like being like, oh, Ihave no idea, look at our phone
and they're like yeah, Or they'llbring up something you did twenty years ago
and you're like, oh no,I don't listen. I feel like if
I date someone, I'm their biggestcheerleader. They could be Tony the Plumber,

(20:18):
and I'm like, they're with themon gigs and helping them gigs.
But you know what I'm saying,like I don't care, like I give
my hands dirty, like I'm good. I someone's a lawyer or their teacher
or a trainer. Doesn't matter tome. Yet to me, I'm like,
you have more stability in your careerthan I do, and I tear
that higher than what I do.So if you're coming in automatically because I've

(20:40):
done television, that's my profession.If you think I think I'm the ship,
no, I do not. Butthat's refreshing because a lot of people
do. Yeah, the new people, I feel like, especially the new
and you probably see them all thetimes they get that one show, they
got the range rover, get downpaid on eight minutes and then don't work
for three years and they got tolet all that go. Yeah, you
know I'm being married to except thatwas a movie producer. I mean you

(21:02):
would be surprised though, at alllevels, Like even the A list actresses
are so desperate for the next joball the time, and it's so worried
about always feel like your job last. Doing that, Like what you're talking
about with people in the relationships,trying to cozy up to the producer or
trying to get I meant that I'mthe worst. I don't have it in
me to kiss your ass, andI don't like me either, and I

(21:23):
won't do it. And I thinkthat That is why I get hired because
I'm not going to sit there andtell you what you want to hear.
I'm going to say what the hardthing is to say in the room.
But my friends are like, Ithink maybe he was just intimidated, and
I hate that work. I I'mnot. It might be accurate and not
by who we are, by theirpersons percession, but I'm like, I'm

(21:45):
the most normal, like a TraderJoe's, even though I fucking hate the
parking lot, you know, Igo to the like we love the grocery
store, like that's my it's myplace. But there's just like normal everyday
things like we have financial problems,we have highs and loaves of visit ability.
But I will tell you what,whether I'm on a hit show or
I'm literally working on my friend's animalfacility, my value and my core is

(22:07):
a human is not altered on whetheror not have good stuff because because I've
I'm twenty seven years in this.In twenty six years, so long that
you're like this is going to happencareer wise, you can't let it happen
here or here because you're gonna mess, You're gonna suck yourself up. This
is second you believe your own hype. Where you start drinking your own kool
aid is a second that they're goingto put you on pause. I know

(22:29):
people get in their own way somuch too. Like you know how you
guys are saying, it's not allgoing to be big jobs. It's not
all of that by you guys havingthat longevity. I think there's something in
that is because you're willing to dowhat it takes to stay afloat until that
big thing. And it's ebbs andflows, and it's not like I'm too
good for this raise. I don'tknow how you were raising like we.
I came from a working family.I have made strive at twelve. I

(22:51):
never heard that about you, aboutthe beans and half a hot dog.
That makes a lot of sense.Yeah, well, I'm also very very
much like in my diet, nobecause you're trash. My big love languages
is like a service to others,so like helping people like I'm a nurturer
by by by default, so inrelationships that transfers. The problem with to

(23:11):
be careful is to not dim mylight so much to help someone else's afire
Wright, right, I want thereto be like I used to hate this
word when I was younger, butnow I'm kind of leaning in a partner
like partner and crying partner and lovebecause it's like we're in this together vibe,
whereas you know I used to there'sstill individuals. Yes, my X

(23:34):
was therapist and he had this greatthing. He's like, listen. I
was like, I'll wear in thisboat together. He's like, we're not.
He's like, we're in two boatsthat are linked intanem. If yours
gets a hole in it, youcan come on into mine for a little
while while we fix yours. He'slike, but if I get into yours
and it's going down, we're boatdrotting. What's up? He's like,
come in mind for a little wile. He's like, And I like that
metaphor of like, you know,both coming in with a cup full,

(23:56):
and it's not always going to befull. Sometimes you need a little,
you know. But yeah, datinghas been really tricky, and I like,
I started in the spring and summerto try and every time you get
a little burned. I mean,I'm like a turtle. I'm like me
too, and she's like, fuckit, I'll be fine alone. I
have my friend. I feel likeshe's going to meet her partner like a
gay bar, like some dude who'sgonna be there with his like he's gonna

(24:18):
be no, like like his gaybrother. And he's in town and he's
an ally and that sounds good.Actually a farm somewhere, yeah yeah,
yeah, but a big one,like he has a lot. Yeah,
she's never letting. Oh my god, I love this. Actually, can
we get you only? I wasgonna say that is actually a great premise

(24:41):
for a show. She falls inlove with the farmer and farmer dating show
is horrible, but it's about oldguys the farms. Okay, we'll figure
it out later. Yes, Ilove it like flag, but then you
being shot shock of boar. They'rein like a fluffy robe with feathers on
the end of it. Your hairand role isn't being like, oh,

(25:03):
darling, I need to go backto New York. But you love it
because he's got the good d Hey, he's just a nice guy. That's
all I want. I have.I have a theory. I don't know
what you think of this theory ina relationship, And I feel like there
can really only be one star onlybecause a lot of the people I see

(25:26):
get together that are both you know, highly visible, like let's say Joe
Jonas, you know the Jonas guysnow getting a divorce from Sofa Turner.
I feel like they can compete witheach other, whereas like for me,
I was happy to be the womanbehind the man like that was that was
a good purse holder. Though,like I feel like even it's tricky because

(25:48):
I don't ever invite someone I'm datingto a red carpet thing or anything.
There's going to be a red carpetthat separates us, meaning Babe, I
gotta go do this thing. It'sso anxiety inducing for me and for the
person unless you've been together a wildright, it makes him feel it makes
him feel a little less. ThenI claiming never dated someone in the industry
really never. Some of them gotinto the industry after dating me, like

(26:10):
when I created a show, Butthat's gross, but like I wonder what
that would be, Like I don'tknow if it's because like I feel like
all the outgays know each other orI don't know what the deal is with
that, but it's never organically happened. But I think that's true. I
think there's a piece of it whereyou're like, but I have a feeling
I would make my guy feel likehe was the right star. You would,

(26:32):
but then you would ultimately get resentfuland get a divorce, like Sophie.
But just like with normal it's okay, regular people they have Hey,
I'm not even I'm saying even inregular people relationship there's a fun, loud
one and then the other one likethat understudy, like or kind of they
build you up so that trucks.So you want someone who's going to Basically

(26:56):
it's not about being the center ofattention. It's just that yeah, like
a case. So I don't know, because my last like long term,
he was really funny as well,but also loved the fact that I think
that's ultimately why it didn't work outis because like, so I'll be the
one that's dancing up on the tablesand being fun and inviting everyone around,
and I can stay up the longestand YadA YadA, which he loved about

(27:17):
me ended up not liking that laiddown the track. But I don't know
how sustainable dancing on the tabletops is, but yeah, I get your point.
I can do it. Yeah,But like I like that in relationships
that I see lasting, there's alwayslike the guy that's going to be very
I was a fun one with myAX. I was like the fun,
crazy one that would be dancing ontables and they called him the warden because
he was the fun police. ButI need that. I was about to

(27:38):
say, it's like, I doI need that? Like low key,
dear watcher listener, I feel likelow key there's something nice about And I
was wondering if this is what hewas for you, someone would be like,
Okay, we gotta go in.But but did it ever save you
from it? It saved me abunch of times. Definitely. He fronted

(27:59):
a to rehab once for me,which is quite nice. No, but
no, honestly, but I thinkit was a little nice because I needed
to rein it in sometimes. Yeah, but that's also protection when you I
don't know, if I want todate someone wild, it doesn't have to
because when you're like, what isgoing to happen at the end of the
night? Do you have to worryabout you? Like? I hate that.
But there's the social director and thefine like the one that can be

(28:22):
so Jattie married me because I waswild and Natty and he lived vicariously through
me because it's Cuban and he hadto be like the you know, the
march of guy and do everything rightand didn't want to be seen ever like
telling someone to fuck off. Sure, and so he was living like I
was. I think he would haveloved that too, you like, I
know I'm the like I'm the abaciousone and like the actor guy. But

(28:44):
yeah, no, but that's niceto know if he's okay with that,
that's hot, like when people arejust cool it being like look at my
baby up there, I having thebest time, and like look at you,
like up on a pedestal. That'shot. I find be secure in
that and know your roles. Yeah, the country over. I'm learning so
much about James by listening to allypodcast he's on because I knew him socially

(29:08):
before, but I never heard himlike so relaxed and red bulled up that
he was just like and so Ifeel like it was cataloging all of this.
I know. There's something about thesepodcasts that gets me really honest?
Do you just get honest on thismic? Yeah, I'm like, no,
once you relax and because in thefirst one he was a little bit
like he had his paper right away, calmed down. This is just a

(29:30):
conversation and it's unfiltered, you know, it's like we're all human, we're
all a flawed we're all gonna saysomething. Yeah, we're all gonna over
time and not be perfect, notbe perfect and grow from and involved and
tell people that are assholes are assholes. Right, Yes, so let's talk

(29:59):
about your one man on show.Yeah, you have something coming up.
Oh my gosh, I like yeah. So basically there's a riding strike,
but it probably would have been doingthis anyway. So I've been twinning with
the cabaret show. I'm doing onestuff with a buddy in Pump Springs.
He was on American Idol. Hewas booted off because they found out This
is pre this is like Bree AdamLambert whatever. They found out that he

(30:19):
was a go go dancer at anightclub that was nude and they kicked him
off Idle. This is as thestory goes, Yes, this is back
in the day. And so yearslater he moves to La Or he's already
here. We went into each otherand he's David Hernandez, I'm Jay Rodriguez
and oddly because we sing and we'reLatin and around Monday night Twist literally I

(30:42):
that's where we ran into each other. And then he and I were like,
we should do a show together.So we're finally doing one together.
We're calling a Hispanic Panic because wealways gets up. The ad looks like
a boxing match. Yeah, yeah, that's we said we wouldn't use that
in the show. But anyway,we're talking about all that kind of fun

(31:02):
stuff. But it's super cute becauseshe could see him. He's an amazing
singer. I'm a good singer.Like we're gonna be based. It's built
as a vocal SmackDown, but it'sbasically both of our concerts mixed into one.
And then, because I've been doingall this kind of stuff, all
of a sudden, Prestigious fifty fourbelow, which is Studio fifty four,
asked me to do three nights threein New York City. I've not performed

(31:22):
in New York City in seventeen years. Yeah, so like immediately I was
like panic of who's going to comethree nights. That's like a lot of
people have to buy tickets, andtickets are expensive, blah blah, and
I forget that I have half adecade of theaterspism on cast albums that people
right so so that one's called AThousand Sweet Kisses. It looks like the
ad for The Bachelor, which I'mreally excited about. But it's all about

(31:45):
love, sex and relationships. Alot of the topics you cover here.
I'm talking about those, plus singingsongs about them that people know Top forty
and Broadway. All of it's linkedin my Instagram bio. But if you're
in Palm Springs or New York City, come check it out. New York
City is October twenty six, twentyeight, which I'm super excited. You
always think no one's going to showup. You said that about you work

(32:08):
also, like I think you sawthis too. I'm I show up,
I'm early, I'm prepared, Ido the gig, I dazzle, and
I maintain good relationships with employers tothe best of my ability to you know
what I mean, unless they're difficult, and then I still try to be
you know, polite whatever. Butthat's I think a key to it too,

(32:28):
because people will remember that we hireyou. Who do I want to
work with again? Who was ontime? Who was easy? Who didn't
give us a hard time. Whodid her job. And that's if you're
wondering why you see certain people alot, that's why, Yes, this
is my first time being in trouble. Well, I'm curious to see how
your story unfolds. Yeah, welldo you well? In moments like this

(32:50):
where you shoot, I'm gonna choosemy words carefully because don't know what you're
allowed to say. Not But inmoments like this where there's the anticipation of
something happened, the public has beento hold something and you have months till
everyone sees it. They also consolidateweeks of footage into just a couple of
minutes for us to see what isyour sensibility about, Like, Okay,

(33:14):
I want to it's aired now,I want to clarify, Like you,
how do you navigate? This isso hard? I honestly feel like I'm
being held hostage in a weird wayby the fact that I just want it
to come out and so we cantalk about it, because honestly, we
were all super intoxicated that day.It was the fifteen sixteen hours shoot day,

(33:34):
and I am a very intoxicated recollectionas well as the other women that
everyone was happy in having a party, right, and that is what I
that's what I know to be true. Sure, But the longer they pushed
back, you know, the moreI'm like, well, what really did
happen? And what can I say? What can I not say? Because

(33:55):
they can make it look anyway theywant to make it look. Yeah,
that's hicky. Think about unscripted isI think that you know for those at
home, And yeah, I've definitelywalked into unscripted producer's offices where there's cast
photos and a title of who thatperson is to them. Right, So
it's in any scripted piece, youhave the villain, you have the comedy,
and you you know, and soyou write for that and then at

(34:17):
some point there's going to be theapex of the episode, which is the
most drama. Will that be aresolved cliffhanger? Like all that has to
be? Yeah, there's a storyarc and so they if they're not getting
what they need, they have tosomewhat manufacture things for the for it to
feel like a scripted show, meaningthat it'll have a beginning, middle,
and end and like something that there'swhy are we watching to the end?

(34:38):
What's at stake? What could belost what's about to happen, and so
sometimes it's not. First of all, it's not always in real time,
and the response someone's eyebrow raised,someone's eye roll might have not even been
from who knows, you know whatI mean. So, but I think
that's when people I see getting solike on their high horse on social media

(34:59):
about someone like you don't even knowthat happened. Yeah, yeah, but
that's that's how I feel. Ijust feel like I'm fucked if I do,
I'm fucked if I don't. Ican't speak out about it because they're
still editing it. Yeah, andso I do feel like a hostage a
bit, Yeah, because there isthat narrative that's already been out there for
seven months and now they've pushed itback another five. And so it's really

(35:22):
difficult because I've never been in thisposition before. But I am the drunk
party girl, like that's why peoplehire me. I heard about the wine
at night. I was like,why can't I have some wine with wine
at night? You were talking aboutand you were chatting with one of the
girls who I think was on theNew York season, beautiful African American woman
who you were chatting on one ofyour podcast and I was watching that episode

(35:45):
recently. Wait wait, wait,not Sarah. It was it Geraldine and
it was from She's Super Young.Was her first time doing it and she
got caught up in some kind ofromantic trist maybe and she was the only
black girl on her cap Sara,Yes, Sarah, yeah, but talk
yeah, talking about that, Ithink you mentioned you're like a couple of
glass of wine before it's reality juice. And but that's what people, you

(36:07):
know, they got. The producerswill come in my room as they did
that night, walk right in,they hand you a bottle and a glass,
and they're like, we don't havea show, bring the party.
So that is a great I willtell you. The PG thirteen version of
Queer Eye Ours was whatever Starbucks orderyou want for breakfast, lunch, Red

(36:27):
Bull, and then at dusk liquor. And that was kind of how we
kept that cheeky. Yeah we'd eat, but like what I'm saying, it
was like, how do you maintainthat energy energy of like a night out
with friends? Right? You don'twe don't normally talk like that raw day
long and be interesting and funny anddo your job as well. Normally you're

(36:50):
like your moments of law, butits work and it's not constant. This
is constant filming and the Girl's chipspecifically is a new form of for them.
But you really are filming for sevendays straight. You're getting six episodes
out of like ice coffee whole day. Nobody. I still remember everyone's order
from Queer Eyed because it was preparedit so much for three years. Yeah,

(37:13):
I know your order O milk withold milk. Yeah, I know
it used to be funny, butnow I'm on a diet. You want
to diet. I just lost fivepounds because I am slip really meatballs.
Last night, I've been burping onionson Herald. It's been fabulous. Not
for me, no, but likethe perspective, like you're the O G

(37:37):
O G ever reality wild Really yeah, I wonder if so, I wonder
how much it's I wonder how ifyou were to come into my skin for
one moment and go on one ofthese shows. So I'm frightening because we
were protected. We were specifically editedto be queer superheroes without fights, which

(37:57):
isn't anyone and that you know,but but we were there to do this
sort of job. Yeah, andI think what people don't know about the
original Queer Eyes. We had mostlycomedy directors who did scripted, directing us
to be fun and comedic. That'swhy our showed as a lot of laughs
sometimes the bright product. The byproductof that was an emotional moment. But

(38:19):
we never played too like we neverthat was never the goal. We didn't
even know it's going to happen,right, So so I felt safe.
I think in like after that,like I've I don't think I've really done
anything that would delve in or i'dhave, you know, people having a
meeting about how they could get meor how they could round me up against
someone else. Yea. It givesme anxiety to think about. I mean
what I love to do something likeDancing with the Stars and it sure just

(38:43):
to be able to tell my storyof who I am twenty years after Queer
Eye. But you know, Ithink any of those shows like you,
it gives me like sometimes when y'allare fighting, I have to like either
yeah, I get scared, Iget anxious for the people. Also the
music like they're reving us up.Yeah, ordering recaps and I'm like,
oh, like I go du dudu Yeah, I only watch for the

(39:04):
fighting or if I hate someone,I really need to know. How are
you about those moments in real life? Oh no, I don't want I
hate conflict. That's why he'd bein French with me, because like,
I don't like it, I justdo it really well and I'm not afraid
to do it. What's this isfor people like us who don't like conflict?
When it's when you're in it andit's happening, and you're like,
is there a part of you thatcan tell how much is put on for

(39:30):
the camera and from the person that'sspewing something negative at you, or like
like how much are you protecting yourheart and soul when you are being attacked
or something? In a reality format. In the beginning, it was super
authentic, like raw. After let'ssay ten years, when someone comes after
you for something silly, it's notas authentic, sure, because oh you're

(39:52):
mad because I'm late, Well,fuck yourself going around on Alemo for three
hours so I'd be late so we'dhave storyline. I did get sick of
having to be the bad guy becauseit was kind of my role. Like
I would get texts from producers Brandydo something, and so they knew that
I was the only one on thecast that didn't have the money that the

(40:15):
other woman had. Why do youthink that's kept a secret? Like do
you think that producers or networks feellike people wouldn't watch something if they felt
it was not authentic. Yeah,I feel like everyone thinks it's scripted anyway.
Yeah, I feel like I getevery day. My thing is my
heart bleeds for like the lives thatcan be ruined, real lives right in

(40:37):
the name of entertainment sake. Andthen people will say say, what you
said earlier, you know what yousigned up for, but we we signed
up to entertain you and it's neverpitched. It's never pitched. This is
going to ruin your life. Noexactly the real life yet, but it's
come to that where these shows areactually ruining lives, well, the divorces

(40:58):
and stuff. The find it theidea of keeping up with the Joneses,
which I felt during Queery because ourthe apex of the show by the people
that created it. It was reallyabout style tasting class. But I wouldn't
say it was style tasting class atevery price point. It was aspirational,
you know, with stuff that Icouldn't even afford, and I was on
the show, right, So likefor me, it's like during the era.
I remember trying not to fall intokeeping up with the Joneses because how

(41:21):
are you going to live? Youknow? And I would imagine, like
with the housewives and stuff, there'sso much pressure to look the part and
have the lifestyle, and it's like, not all of us do well.
The thing is I had it withmy ex husband, yeah, and so
I didn't have it growing up.I had it, then I lost it.
I think I had just never hadit, my life would be a
lot easier. But I realized it'sjust stuff. It doesn't mean anything.

(41:45):
And now I have these two amazinglittle boys and I'm here to do my
job and I am a single mom. They all knew that I needed the
money, and so they're like,you do something. And it's so funny.
The rich ones that you know,just bring the life lifestyle, they
get the raises or I'm like,you know, it is what I signed

(42:08):
up for. To an extent,I signed up to share my life on
reality TV. I didn't sign upfor strangers to make a story about me
that's not true and have a narrativeout there that could ruin my life.
I never signed up for that.Yeah, that's tricky. I remember we
did. I did a reunion specialof Queer Eye. It was like reunion

(42:29):
road trip, and uh. Oneof the points in the contract was that
I don't know if I'm even allowedto say this, but I'll say I
think it's just a generic thing.I was told that that's in every contract,
is that producers can use their discretionas to what they tell you,
but it doesn't have to be Bibletruth, and that I'd never seen anything

(42:49):
in a contract like that before.And they were like, that's just industry
standard. But we promised they're goingto take care of you, and they
did. But you know, itwasn't without you know, I was anxious
that it was going to be likesomething you've experienced, and I was like,
I don't know what could happened.It's just us, but like we're
pretty good at protecting each other andwe're not you know, we've never been
a question. It wasn't that typeof show. It was a show of

(43:10):
bringing people up and helping people onbeing funny and you know, being your
huge personalities. This is a showof who do we take down this season
it's turned into well looking good doingit. Yes, wait a minute,
I was about to say, that'sgot to be a little fun, like
the glam and stuff. That's gotto be fun sometimes. Yeah, I

(43:31):
guess. I mean I feel likeI don't do what those girls do.
I don't go. I don't havea glam team. I don't. I
never paid, like to get myhair and makeup then, because I'm like
I wanted my money. Yeah,I said how many times that you'll see
me? So I have gun inbecause I have a mouth thing that I
was sitting on the floor on atowel during my makeup. They love that.

(43:54):
That's such a like you know whatthat is. That's like from her
modeling days. That's such a theaterthing to do, Like is that's very
me, like just be on thefloor doing it yourself because we had to.
Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's like, yeah,
that's such a theater model, likegoing from casting and casting kind of vibe.
Yup, it didn't turn into thisglam situation until Erica Jane. It

(44:15):
really didn't. It was most ofus are doing our own hair and makeup,
and you know they're just fabulous womenhave all these diamonds. But it
wasn't like, oh, you haveyour glam team and now they're part of
the show. Erica really changed,you know, house ives for across all
franchises for everyone, and it helpedwith the glam budget because for the interviews,

(44:35):
it's the only time they provide glamfor you when you're sitting in your
little talking. They used to giveus three hundred and fifty dollars for hair
and makeup. No way, andyeah someone right out of school, I
trade for Instagram. But now,now why is that way? They want
to make a bunch of cuts,say you want have to look good?

(44:58):
Well, no, you very changedit for I mean now it's like people
tune in to see the hair andmakeup and the outfits, like for a
dreet And that's why I watched BeverlyHills. I don't watch Beverly Hills for
the drama, right really, Imean, I mean it's just the whole
I mean, the trajectory of likehow it started to where it's come to.
I mean, listen, it's ait's a cash cow for Bravo.

(45:20):
They've made this franchise that's been doneall around the world. And I remember
I think, I think this isright, but I remember it was Desperate
Housewives aired, and they were like, what would be the real life version
Real Housewives? And it was thefive women holding the apple kind of it
was a nod to Desperate Housewives.Yeah, that's how it started. Mark

(45:43):
Cherry was the creator or something ofDesperate Housewives, and then I don't know
if he was involved in real butAndy, you know, I'm sure Andy
Cohen or whoever came up with Housewiveswas like, I have an idea,
and it really worked in the sensethat it was a window into lifestyle that
most of us don't live or don'thave access to write because it's you watch
it to get away from your life, so that you're watching these rich bitches

(46:07):
do things that you wish you could, like throw wine in the Bahamas at
someone because they're an asshole. Haveyou ever thrown wine at someone? No,
I don't think I've ever thrown adrink at someone, But if I
was, if I knew the otherperson would be okay with it for something,
I would love it. Well.I threw wine at Jefflis and I
wish I could do him again.I don't like him. It doesn't matter.

(46:28):
We're not friends. He knows it'snot news. I don't really but
no, like Eileen, that wasthe first time I threw I threw water
at my ex husband because I waspregnant and everyone was drunk around me,
and I took my water bottle.I'm like that across the Yeah, I
throw things. I'm a thrower.Okay, not a lot of wine because

(46:51):
I don't want to. That's alcoholalcohol abuse. Kids. We don't waste
wine. No, no, what'syour wine? What's your what's evern blanc?
Yes, corner is my favorite.Not too far away from you.
I'm just giving a jump. Buthow do you guys know each other?

(47:16):
We met? I don't remember.How do we meet first? Like on
an app on Tinder or something.No, that is not how do we
first me? You know, WestHollywood at a club? Maybe it was
he? No, wait, whatwas that one? We met a revolver?
Yeah, we met passing the justkind of stayed connected over the years.

(47:37):
But yeah, yeah, and thenwe went to dinner at Potch once,
which I got a little bit liketo know you a little bit and
kind of see like the bit likeit was like a date I think it
was. It wasn't was it Itwasn't a proper date. But then I've
listened to I just him. Hedid say and he made a point of

(47:58):
it, which I thought was reallysweet. Wow, what are you trying
to No, you were like,I'm picking you up, blah blah.
I went to which was lovely.But the funny thing is listening to a
former podcast that he shared, itwas my experience of him that you you
like to bring the fellas in,get them just when they're wanting you,
and then dismiss them. And Iwas like, that's what he did to

(48:19):
me. I mean, this islike over a year ago. Now I
really have to start doing this.But it made a lot of sense.
I was like, I understood,no, but you didn't just say that.
You explained why, and like blahblah blah blah. I was myself.
It was got his own ship.You know, yes, yes we
all care, but I'm mostly afirm believer that like, don't throw the
baby out with the bathwater league.We managed to let it never was weird,

(48:40):
So I'm not gonna love anyone else, but it was what we never
never. It was never weird betweenus. It was always lovely. I'm
just very much like just I tryto be nice to everybody. I try
to stay friends with everyone. ButI did make out with my neighbor recently,
and I have to move. Whygo outside anymore? Well, well,
there's no chance for around two orno interest, no interest on my

(49:04):
part. This is the got it. That's why I don't even make friends
with my name is anymore. NowI didn't see them. Well, was
it a Salvion Blanc kiss? Yes? Okay, did I say it was
a kiss? Got it? Itwas a little more than it was.
Trains and tunnels? Got it?And now you understand why she has to
move because she's so bad in bed. No, I do not believe that.

(49:25):
Second, I have a scarpiomin slashcancer. I'm actually projecting. Yeah,
do you think you're a bad inbed? Probably? You talk about
sex very freely. You're you're yeahboobs. Yeah, I'm a tits man.
Okay, got it. Nice he'sa creep hoping to get some take

(49:45):
your clothes off? Okay, Sooh that's funny. So you guys met
on the street, went on adate, stayed friends. Yeah, he
kind of blew you off at alittle bit he did. But I now
understand kind of why, like kindof good first of all, because he
presents so well and he's such abig talker. I would have never thought.
And he and I to this alot. Yeah, I was like,

(50:06):
you will never see yourself the wayI feel right, So, like
you can have abs or no abwhatever. At the end of the day,
it's kind of like who you areand how you navigate, which I
think you navigate through the world quitenicely, so that, in my opinion,
makes you attractive. But if youdon't feel it, then how is
it. It's hard for you tobring anyone close. And so the act
of like having someone desire you makesa lot of sense in that one because

(50:29):
you feel desired. But intimacy orlike actually being vulnerable, whether that's being
naked or emotional intimacy, it's scarier, scarier than a hook up, you
know. So that's how he juststays, I never nate with Mumo.
I know I met you went tohis house, sure did Yeah? You
know, sexy time happened. No, No, he made sure that.

(50:52):
God honestly, it was debating onwhether or not talking about this, But
I feel like we landed in sucha good playne Look, I don't want
everyone to see all my insecurities.I'm just not really into what is what
is insecure? Like what do youmean, like the way you physically look
is insecure? Anxiety? There's alot of things. But that's why,

(51:13):
like I've I need to work onmyself a little more before opening myself up,
because it's just it is a lotof work. There's a lot of
walls I need to bring down.And you're also married it for a long
time. Yeah, and that's easybecause you're already comfortable with so long.
But it's you don't know yourself rightnow. So I've done a lot of
growing in the last couple of years, so I've just been focusing on that,
whereas before that that was my oldstake and I'm just forgetting that.

(51:36):
I have new models that are asa gift. I think that's a gift
because you gave me a gift bysaying this isn't something I'm ready for.
What if you've done the opposite rightwhere you were at that time, just
be like, well, I wantthis so bad, so I'm gonna take
it. It's like someone who getsa puppy and they can't be around to
take care of it. It's likein a new relationships need time, energy

(51:57):
and your whole self to nurture,you know. And if he's not ill,
I don't clock myself. I've beenthinking of it will like like then
that's what I'm saying. Okay,I'm not ready for this yet. And
it's also scary because we I'm surewe've all had broken hearts before it,
and it's so much easier to gothrough life without that pit in your stomach.
Yes, and why is my phone? No? Is he not texting
me? Like I've started reframing,Like the minute someone like either end something

(52:20):
whatever, I'm like, thank you. I think the univer because I'm like,
who knows what if they were LikeI got to know him at dinner
and I really like him and hedoes not deserve what I might bring in.
Sometimes people are protecting you because they'relike in relation to they can already
see that things that you shared organically, it's not gonna work, and that's
gonna take me a long time toadjust. Like, sometimes people actually like

(52:42):
you and are saving you from awhole lot of mess that you did not
want to be involved in that.Maybe it's not your place to know yet,
but they're doing you a good.Joss attracted to mess because you're a
fixer too. Yeah, you know, I have to really be cautious about
it because I will go in andbe like, well i'll help. Yeah,
I worry, and then then youget resentful because yeah, I'm happy

(53:04):
you already. I can't you toput paper towels in your arm pits and
sweats. And you know what elseworks good? The thin Maxi pats.
I used to look them on mybot actually when I was wearing like white
linen pants because you get sweaty crackand then you'd sit down somewhere and all
the dust to pick up on it, so it looked like a brown stripe.
No more white pants, anymore whiteafter Labor Day? Shocker. I

(53:25):
mean, we live in LA.I'm wearing shorts. I feel like it
did just turn fall, like afew days ago. If I think I
did not already start decorating for Halloween, I'm over this heat wave vibe that
we've had all summer. You wanta Steam designer to do you a Halloween
outfit? I was literally on thephone with Marco micol no, as Well's
like right here. Yeah, butno, no, no, no,

(53:46):
no, oh, I forgot he'sin this. Yeah, it's so weird
art someone else. It's a it'sa girl. I forget it. Okay,
there's a bunch, But that wasone of the other options because the
wanting a bunch of Look, Marcowould killed it. I'm sure would love
to see you. I'll do it. I'm a cat every year, though,
so I don't know what that's going. Oh my god, I'm a
pat duty, I am a pussy. I do want to I do want

(54:07):
to go out with you sometimes becausebecause I was look, I don't want
to do together. I don't Hollywood, You're not invited. I love you.
No, But you know, oneof the things that I look for
and every every person when I meetthem, is like, where is someone's
humanity? Like where does their heartlie? Even if it's someone who's coming
at me really aggressively whatever, I'mtrying to find the humanity so I could

(54:30):
at least understand. Okay, well, they're probably in pain, or they're
really struggling, or it's their ownin security, they're projecting something. And
one of the things I really loveabout you and I said it earlier,
is like your resilience. It's it'ssomething that I would love to have more
of. There's an inner strength,there's yes, there's there's still struggle here,
yes, yes, but but butI think the resilience to keep moving

(54:52):
forward when you're being bombarded with allthese other things. And let me tell
you, I've cost some of mybiggest problems. So but any though,
I was in the resilience that wehave that kind of inner strength that's really
admirable. And that's something I reallylike about you, you know, and
I think you like me watch someof the podcasts. It's like we own
the things that we do wrong.We do wrong right. I'm not perfect.

(55:14):
I'm never gonna be never going tobe perfect. And in fact,
before like I will say, mykids are what that there who make me
me? Because I have to providefor them. I have to you know,
take care of them. Get fuckingeither huge. Have you seen nothing?
They're giants and they eat like sevenhundred dollars or the groceries a week

(55:35):
and I'm growing to fucking routh.I'm not going to old, yeah yeah,
yeah, I'm just like like Ihave to take care of these little
beings. So I think if Ididn't have them, I might be in
a straight jacket somewhere. And myantidepressant helps a little bit too, but
just getting that balance, and Ithink that's the that's the most powerful lesson
out of all like the stuff thatwe go through in this industry a you
know, with the writer strike andthe actors strike. I knew. I

(55:58):
posted a video about it, explainedthat like ninety five percent of us are
gig to gig gig workers, andyou know, that's the bulk of us
in the industry. And I thinkwhen people think Hollywood, they think of
the five percent that are coasting andwhatever. But that's just not it.
And I think there's a lack ofcompassion or empathy for people who see an
art form, whether it's reality TVor scripted and really don't unpack the human

(56:22):
behind it because they assume the humanhas more access to better things or are
they tears. It's like I've donethe best I can. Every time conversation
have about dispelling that and almost likepulling back the curtain, right because you
know someone who is you know,working at the local coffee shop, is
you know, no less than Iit's just not We're all in the same

(56:44):
playing field, and I think Idon't know if you feel the same way,
but like I feel like famous fleeting. I always tell my kids like
it means nothing. Fame means absolutelynothing, and I should say to it,
why don't you act more famous?If I say, I always say
this. I'm like, fame isan odd byproduct of some of the jobs

(57:06):
I'll take right, but it's neverI can never predict if a show's going
to do well. I don't knowif my appearance is going to be noticed
not noticed, if the thirst trapwill cause a conversation on you know,
gay block. I see when youdon't care about it, though, it
is when it finds you, becauseI'd still to this day don't care about
it. I just want money,so I just want I just want money.
And some people are like, well, you know what people know you

(57:27):
are, Like, it doesn't matterhaving fame without money. It's horrible.
It's the broke. Celebrity is sofunny when people know who you are.
And just when I mean, I'vetaken some jobs and I was like,
oh god, and people would walkin like what are you doing right?
Like why are you working? Herebecause my bills don't care about visibility or
if I'm relevant or not relevant.They still need to be paid absolutely,

(57:51):
and I have no shame in mygame. That's why I'm not only fans
for two months now. And youshould really get on it. Check it
out because my only sexy lingerie picture, that's it. Yeah, how do
you do you just use your iPhone? Or do you have a nice camera?
Like? How do they like likeit? Like? Not like professional
pictures? Want we want the boyfriendexperience. It takes me really wild.

(58:14):
Patreon also linked to my bio,but the majority of people that are subscribers
are Yes, I have men,but I also have a lot of middle
aged women. That's the funny.We should mix ours because I have a
lot of gay men. YEA comingbecause I love I mean, I love
this conversation. I know we onlyhave the time we have, but I'm

(58:36):
like, she's the kind of girlI want to sit down, have a
glass of wine. I do ahappy hour usually on Wednesdays. That we
had to change it because Wednesdays nowthere are studios so far away. I
don't get home in time for thehappy hour. Got it because I live
in Calabastard told them possibly Thursday.I like to have it all in one
day, just so I feel like, yeah, it's easy my work day
all of that, but traffic isa bit Yeah that's wild. Yeah,

(59:00):
well anyway, but no, becauseyeah, I just have very cute I
mean, have you ever gone outwith Brandy to a gay bar. No,
I'd be so curious. I'm sureit would be very annoying wild.
I'm sure yeah. I would probablywould be annoying. If there's all these
gays all over you and it's likewalking a really pretty dog down the happy
hour, she would be okay,a nice thing. I used to have

(59:22):
this. It was really annoyable foreveryone calls me up. You're like a
puppy. I feel like you ifyou do a happy hour and this food,
like people are not going to messwith her. Then if we take
her to someplace that's like jumping,we'd have to get like they would give
her a table. Was a gaybar, I would need to set it
up that everybody's charged for the photoand we get a bag at the end

(59:43):
of the night. She's going therefor an appearance. Then I can enjoy
that while we take himself. I'mshocked that no booker has said, like,
will you come host you know,a Real Housewives finale viewing at our
bar the way they do with DragQueens and Drag Race finales, because that
would be good Bank. You know, go to a bar that has a
bunch of TV screens. Maybe it'sa sports bar, but it turns into
a club at night. Yeah,any of those like they would I feel

(01:00:05):
like they would pay good Bank forthat package it right, Yeah, and
especially if we do Palm Springs.And I know there's a lot of gig
opportunities apparents opportunities for Yeah, Andlook, I think that's how you reclaim
your careers. We're not waiting forthe phone to ring. And that's why
I toured the Cabaret show. It'smy story on my terms. It's utilizes
what I'm already gonna You have thegift of gab. You're entertaining a great

(01:00:25):
like descriptive storyteller, so that allkind of stuff works in those spaces,
especially nightlife. The commitment's usually liketwo hours and good morning, and it's
fun and it's also a way foryou to connect with the people that love
and support you. Well be priorto thank you, and I will try
to do that. Prior to COVID, I had written a show for Kim

(01:00:46):
Richards and I. It's called Blonderand Blunder and what is the improv had
picked it up and we filled outand then it was supposed to open in
April seventeen and everything literally shot down. Any would you ever feel I think
you would do great in that space. I would love to do it again,
but I have to do it theright person. You know, the

(01:01:07):
right partner, and I don't knowwho that would be besides you too,
No, but you would. Ithink another Bravo Girly would be great,
or someone Simpatico or even we'll talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is my This is my wheelouse becausethose are the kind of things I go
by tickets to go see, soI know what works if it's an hour
and fifteen ninety minutes max. Buthour and fifteen most venues want like an

(01:01:28):
hour and ten, and that goesby so fast, so you really think,
like, how could I even entertainfor that long? You can?
Can? Yeah, what? No, I think it's a great manager thinking
he's on picture. I think Iwas trying not to do it on the
like, I was like, ifI can enter you and your boyfriend anyway,

(01:01:52):
so tell us the dates again.Yes, So if you're in Palm
Spring September fifteenth, come see DavidHernandez an eye in Hispanic Panic. Go
to at Jai Rodriguez on Instagram.You can go see the links there.
And then New York City. That'sthe big one. It's my return back
to broadwayst. Fifty four below Octobertwenty six through the twenty eighth, a
thousand Sweet kisses. But it's definitelycome on check it out, or even

(01:02:13):
if you're curious and you want toinspire the thirst trap portion of me could
become a Patreon member of the SpicyLand tier is where it's at. But
you know, it's weird because it'slike, I feel like a lot of
the roles I've had have been likethe Latin love that comes into a stern
the pot. But then all someof them have been like so asexual where
they where they don't want to sexualas my character at all, just so

(01:02:36):
hard. So had a couple ofyears of that, and I think that's
what made me want to have likethirst traps and stuff. Yeah, you
know, because I'm on a seriesuncoupled, and I think we're kind of
like the comic relief in the Friendgroup. But now we moved to showtime
humans. I was like, I'mkilling myself. Let me have a sex
scene. They say that we're big. Let's show it, you know,
but we'll see I mean, I'mcurious what this post strike world will look

(01:02:58):
like, including what it'll look likefor those who do unscripted. Well,
you know unscripted. It's going crazyright now. People were scrambling to get
everyone for nothing. If you coulddo like your dream show where you're really
feeling like, man, I lovegoing to work, what would that look
like? Oh, I got it? Do you have some So you have
an idea? I have an idea, And then I have a couple of

(01:03:19):
shows in the works amazing, andI'm I'm in all parts of it.
I've decided I want to make surethat's how we have to do it because
every show I produced. Now,are you think I'm a producer making other
people money? Well, you knowwhen it was a shift for me,
like I had this actor mentality andI would take you back to your modeling
days where you're literally walking in saying, give me a job, right.

(01:03:39):
So I took a bunch of generalstwenty nineteen and twenty twenty before the world
shut down, and I went inthinking present myself so that they'll cast me
in something, even though it waslike head of development, head of whatever,
and instead because of my age,because over two decades in the industry,
they were looking at me to bea producer and bring them things and

(01:04:02):
oversee projects. And I was like, oh yeah, bitch, you old
like you get around. They thinkyou know shit about queer culture, about
Latin and they want your spin onit. They're coming to you, is
the next one. You've been doingthis a long time, that knowledge has
commerce attached to it. I justwouldn't want to do to other women what
has been done to right. Andthere's got to be a safe playground.

(01:04:26):
You know. It's like we wantto go bowling, but we don't want
any gut or moments. So we'regoing to create a show that's got the
bumpers on it, you know whatI mean, Like to safeguard. I
think there's got to be a wayto give entertaining really great fun without abusing
people, without abusing people. Right, there's gotta be away, there's going
to have to be because now there'sa light shined on it, and I

(01:04:47):
think society's climbing were I mean,at the very least, I was saying
we should be. There should bean unscripted part of the union. There's
always should have been there, alwayshould be. Just because we don't have
a script, it's not we're not. Let me ask you the question about
this. This is what something I'vealways wondered, and I okay, when

(01:05:11):
when you're arguing and it's so heatedat our show, let's say, like
a reunion, are there a men'smade after an apologies exchange or pleasant tries
that we don't get to see.Not Generally, reunions are hot because you
you've now seen everything back that they'vesaid about you, even though you're probably
in a good place. Then youwatch the showback and you hate each other

(01:05:32):
again. So you walk into thereunion like a month later after the show's
aired, and you're pissed. Gotit? I mean a lot of Like
I went out with like Kyle anda couple of the other girls after one
reunion, Like I like my onlyreal beef, you know, was vander
Pump And you know maloof for aminute, but I really I don't know,

(01:05:57):
and Kim and what are we talkingabout? No, but it's like
I'm I'm just wondering how easy itis to shed it at the venue and
then go off and have a lifewhere well, I think Beverly Hills is
not It's not that serious. It'sreally more you know, fluffy stuff we're
fighting over, got it? SoI think in that vein you can go
out and be like, oh,I'm made a good show. But I'm
right, that's the question, right, Yeah, I could do that easily.

(01:06:19):
Oh that was a good scene.I'd like to believe I could too,
like if you and I feel likeI would be so scared to be
honest like that with James, becausethis bitch will like cut you. You
will use your razor sharp tongue andthrow daggers and then after I try me,
then I would need a hug.I would need a hug. Well,
I much like James. I usemy words as weapons, and when

(01:06:42):
someone goes low, I go reallow. And I wish I didn't,
but you know, I grew upfighting. I'm a middle child. I
grew up physically fighting as well,so scrappy. I am like, if
you you don't want this, right? Do you know what I mean?
Yeah? Don't ask for it.Yeah, don't don't come. Yeah,
don't come for me unless I callfor you. Just be quiet. We've
got a producer over here who's throwninto I beat him up before. Did

(01:07:04):
you know she didn't I actually didn'tdo that. I don't call hr.
But what side of the fence doeshe get his bread on? We are?
I'm sure? Okay, So he'smarried to a woman, got it?
Slightly crooking? God, it waslike what it feels like. It's
a nod to like the two thousandand score of Metrosexual. Yeah, everyone

(01:07:27):
thinks the viewer. The viewers haven'tseen him. Have they seen you?
Usually they've seen Ryan. Yeah.Ryan's very well put together. He's really
great on Hans, but he couldgo either way, like he's not.
I don't think there's a gay lookwe should asp to be there. Everyone
thinks he's gay. And my kidswere shocked to find out this year Brandy's
punching bag, but he did.She likes it and he likes it.

(01:07:49):
He seems sweet. I didn't knowyour kids, but I would have said
he had like a golden Retriever isthe you hear retriever getting that Let's I'm
like, he's not standing right nextyet. It's so specially sorry, what
a great way podcast. Yeah,well all right, that's our trip to

(01:08:09):
New York. We should go.Yes, we're gonna I'll be doing these
all the time, but absolutely,and I want to talk more about how
I think you can pick up thatidea you were going to do because you
love listen Luanne, she does hershows. We're doing actually the Queer Eye
guys and I it's gonna be announcedas soon as you just follow my Instagram.
But we're doing like an evening withlike in conversation with a moderator,

(01:08:30):
huge audience, and it's gonna bea really fun time. But I think,
you know, especially being a mom, especially having to like hustle and
get those kids fed, there's alot of opportunities for folks who work in
the non script space to do somethingcreative where they are their own puppets here
and they don't have to worry aboutsomeone putting them in a weird spot.
Right, Absolutely, I think you'reright. I think we're gonna do it.
Yeah, love it. Sorry,Oh, my god, what is

(01:08:54):
your Instagram happen? Yeah, it'sat Jai Rodriguez on the things and the
link in there, and I willget some tips on the only fans.
Yes, he'll be on their stand. Oh my god, he will get
some tips. Bye bitches, byebitch by. Thanks for listening to Brandy
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