Deceptions and Mind Games w/ Christian De La Torre

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Straw Hut Media. In person,I prefer like the zoom shit. I
was like doing my nails on theside. Really m hmm. Okay,
wow from straw Hut Media. Thisis Brandy Glandville on the film So James

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Today. Yes, I know youhave not watched Traders, but we have
the one of the villains from Traders, like the little crackhead that drove me
nuts. Oh, the one thatone that you had the okay, nobody
told me and I watched it forGeraldine and I missed her episode. Christian.

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I call him bound life. He'sthe curly hair long guy of all
the energies, like a bundle oflike crack the really obviously a Trader one
that no one decided was a Traderuntil episode seven? Did you listen to
me at least? Well, Iwould have actually watched more episodes. Thank
god you didn't tell me, soI had to put myself through that.
Well, we have Christian coming into the studio, so we're going to

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talk to him live and get thetea and see how he's doing and literally
see if I don't murder him Nice. So I'm excited because I wanted to
catch up with Nice people, allthese people. I'm just excited to be
here. Okay, well listen,just look pretty. That's what you do,
yes, Christian and I will doall the work because I'm sure he
has a lot to say. I'mlike you. Okay, let's get Christian

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in here. Okay, Hey,guys, welcome to Brandy Glenville. I'm
filtered. I'm here with my beautifulco host James beautiful, you're very beautiful,
and my Trader's Trader. What doyou call it? What? What?

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What would you? Castmate? UltimateTrader of All Time? Van Life
better known as Christian day La Toura. Hello, thank you for having me.
Oh my god, yes it hasThank God, because I was going
to murder you. I know,I know, But turns out I murdered
you. You fucking oh look atyou. He's quick. I don't like
to try. I try. Okay, so we have to get into all

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things too. But let's where shouldwe even start? So how did you
find out you were going to beon the Traders? So I got hit
up just through Instagram. I didn'tlike apply. I don't apply for reality
TV shows, or I haven't inthe past. I have now it's being
on traders. Like. Now,that's given me a little bit of a
platform to try to get into someof the other things that i'd like.

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But before that, I just gottahit up on Instagram and it was Holly
ULLs fot. I don't know ifI say it, but she hit me
up, was like, hey,do you want to go on a show?
It's like a murder mystery thing,it's not dating. And I was
like, oh yeah, if it'snot like a dating show, yeah I'm
down. So she just hit meup through Instagram. I I submitted my
packet and then you know, asit goes, I heard back every couple

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months and then wow, So theywere talking about it for months months.
I think it was like almost sixmonths. I waited until they told me,
hey, you're flying out to Scotlandand I wasn't even confirmed. I
was supposed to be an alternate.So is that I think that's what Geraldine
was saying as well, right,So she was she went early, you
went early as well. I wentearly. I was there. I was
the first person there. It sucked. So I was just in that hotel.

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Oh my god, that was Thankgod we just had COVID. Yeah,
because this was reminiscent of COVID.It was, you know, just
being in this little tiny room,walking back and forth, not being able
to go out. Well, yeah, how long? I was there for
two weeks prior to us filming,and like you couldn't call. I mean,
they gave us a phone, butthen you just couldn't leave your room.

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You could leave your room for likeI think I got thirty minutes a
day to work out. What didyou do inside of the room. I've
read. I read a lot ofbooks, and I watched Peaky Blinders.
I just I just studied Thomas Shelbythat because I wanted to be a trader.
So I was like, okay,we'll just try to do so I
just did that and read. Ijust read like crazy. I hate reading.

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No, I do too, AndI'm dyslexic. Well also it hurts
my eyeballs, so yeah, myson's dyslexic. I feel you on that.
It's it's very difficult when you're dylexic. But just being in that fucking
room for two weeks, then westart, then you're in the room again
for a week because somebody got COVIDand so then we all got like in
our rooms for a week and justthat one week or a few days at
least, right, and then thenagain someone else who else? Remember the

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first person that got it was comingon? Yeah, and then Amanda.
So I didn't know why she left. Oh yeah, there's a whole controversy
on that. I mean, shespoke her piece now. I think finally
she's good. Upset, like,I think they didn't want her to talk
on it. They were like,you can't say this. I don't I
don't know the details. She finallywas like got permission or just said screw

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it, And well there's no explanation. So so all of a sudden,
he and watch the whole thing.He likes enough, but he remembers you.
I was watching the beginning of it, and I was like, wow,
you really had that guy's number.What did you say? You were
like you laying it on teeth,think, yeah, we'll get to that.
You were so yeah, no,I didn't like, in the middle

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of the show, well we haveto start, but Amanda just said they
said, oh Amanda's gone medical reasons. Yeah, that was like what I
didn't know when like, I don'treally talk to anyone on the show,
so I didn't know yeah, wewere in such a I didn't know either.
I figured it was because of COVIDdue to the fact that they amplified
the tests and then nobody else gotit except for her. Nobody else got

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it. Wow, I don't know, you know, I don't know how
any of that stuff works. Ijust figured I don't know. I mean,
it's sucks. I mean, Imean it sucks, but like you
know, I guess the first storiesoutler, we can go on her instagram
and find it and look and seewhat she has exactly, because it was
just like not explained well as Ilike a viewer, because I watched it
and I was there for her whenshe left because I left before her,

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right, So I was like,what happened to her? I thought like
maybe she had like a family,it's like emergency and yeah, a lot
of people thought that too, andso I think that's what frustrated her,
is like there was speculation, speculationabout the games, and she was like,
yo, no, I just gotsick, like I got taken out
of the game for some bullshit assreasons. So like, let me talk
about it. So I got COVID, I mean you have to leave her

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and take her out of the game. Yeah exactly. They just won't let
her talk on it. That's frustratedher. But how do they Okay,
so I've been doing reality TV fora long fucking time. I mean,
how do they not let her speakon it? Like they, I don't
know, send a security guard toher house. I'm getting that's what I'm
saying. I don't know. Iwill say this though, on behalf of

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the people that haven't been on realityTV. But prior to this, like
we don't have managers, or mostof us didn't at the time, So
like I don't know when it cameto contracts, when it came to like
telling us what we can or can'tsay, we were just like okay,
because we don't know any better theyhave. You have a loyal look at
it, Like I think I gotmy stuff like the day before I got
selected and just signed it. I'mnot giving us time for that. Yeah

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not everyone. No, it wassmart. I get it. I get
it from Maybe they're yeah, they'rehere to make sure you have you can
barely read get it back. Maybethat's a loophole to being able to talk
though, is that it exactly?And you didn't have any representation read it
you want to be on the show. It's a day out from when it's
starting, like yeah, and you'rejust excited because like being on TV to

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people's like a big deal where it'slike, you know, you have experience,
you know what what the game is, or what you should or shouldn't
be paid, or what you canand can't say. So I think we
all just were kind of like,oh, okay, let's just do it.
But it was so fun, likeI I mean for me, it
was so fun. Yeah, Christianobviously, oh my god, you're duck
like van life. I was like, yeah, just you were so like

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giddy and like but just a second, like we opened our eyes on like
Christian and I feel so horrible aboutthe Michael situation. Yeah. Also Michael
tells me to told me to tellyou hello, Oh tell him hi.
I feel like in the game,like it's fine to fight with people,
but in general, I love everyone, Like I'm not like it's the game

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and you are annoying and just gotit. I get it. And that
that was the only thing honestly thatfor me personally, like when stuff was
said that just got you know,because yeah, he went low. But
but you did say obviously it wasn'there, but you did say, like
when someone goes low, you golower, and like respectfully. So I
get that, and I've been toldto by Michael because we have a very

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close relationship that you did apologize tohim. Yeah, something stuff, so
like you know, as someone beingloyal to him as a friend. Once
I heard that, I was like, whatever, it's the game game thing,
like when you're in there, whatdid you do to him? I
used my words, its weapons?Oh, something new and different. But
no, he does say hi,like genuinely says what's up. I already

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got a misspelled tattoo of General Zane'sname. Oh he did, And I
think he's adding the hat, mymy big hat on there. No castle,
he's he's dedicated to it. He'sa That is so sweet. Yeah,
I mean that's like for him.It was such I mean obviously coming
from where he's at in Kentucky andlike him being a die hard fan.
Yeah, he knew all of you. I didn't know any buddy of the

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celebrities at all except Ryan Lockney,and I didn't even I was like,
is that Yeah? I knew whohe was. And my mom was like
a super fan of his. Oh, okay, I knew Kate. I
didn't know Kate, but I knewwho she was obviously. I knew Resa,
but like we're friends but not likesuper close. But I had never
met like Kyle or Kate or anylike. I didn't know who she he

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was. I didn't I knew whoCody was, didn't know who Rachel was.
Oh, I didn't know any ofthe gamers because I'm not really I
didn't really watch that ship. Yeah, you just do your thing, which
is great and fine. I justwas like so confused. But Michael,
he was like, now that Ithought about it, I should have maybe
like as a trader, kept himaround longer, tried to bring him in.
Well we tried. We tried.Yeah, no, you're right,

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we did keep along. I mean, it was just it was starting to
it was like I just thought youguys were the worst two traders of all
time, because you're always in hisera, you'd stand and look at a
painting for five hours together. I'mlikely doing you kind of were in the
first little bit. I mean,but you're sure, but you're like not

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exactly. You were into it andwanting to play the game and it was
would not have been the same withoutyou. Christ Kate and Sorry really made
the show. Yeah, let's bereal, and ye know that y'all you
two together. I mean everyone hadtheir portion of it, and like I
did play like this role way morethan I should have. An that's the

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fun moment, Like it was funto watch you because I'm like, oh
my god, he's so excited.And then it comes across a little bit
and then she called your number.I was like, Okay, this is
good. Like that's the that likeif you were like, you know,
perfectly, like like Surrey literally perfect. She was crushed it, but you

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were. You were on her.So that's the thing. Is like one
of the things that not frustrates mebecause I loved my edit. It was
exactly what I needed and want it. But what they didn't show And you
can ask Suri, can ask Cody. It's always that they don't show,
by the way, it's not whatthey leave it. That's what they do
exactly. Is every time we wentin the turret, I will take credit
for this when we murdered someone,I was the first trader every single time

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to say this is the person wehave to murder tonight. Here's why.
And then we would bounce through everyoneelse and then the Cody and Sury would
come to a conclusion and go Okay, yeah you're right Christian or be like,
oh, we agree. So Itake a lot of credit in like
getting rid of it wasn't just likea me thing, but I would suggest
it, they would go through itand figure it. It did seem like
Sorry was coming up with it prettymuch most It looked like she had the

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whole Don't get it wrong, sheexactly what she was doing. Every single
time I put it on everything Ilove. I'd be like, hey,
we should get rid of this person. Here's why. They'd go through it,
and they'd come back ultimately and go, yeah, you're right. The
only one I didn't have a decisionon was between Cody and Ryan. That's
when that that argument. Yeah,that was tough to watch because you could

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tell that there was a true bromancewith the boys all something like a romance.
No not like no, no,no, I'm saying like it was
weird. It was hard to watch. It was hard to be in there.
It was like. And also thosetraders when you when guys bond,
you know what I mean, Likeand they definitely did not know each other
because I saw them might watch WhatHappens Live. I really yeah, they

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didn't played that they didn't, right, So so what I'm thinking though when
I read, like looked back onit and watch it, which is why
she is so goddamn good. Yeah, and I was blind to this,
And I've literally gone to like situationalawareness like advanced courses like within the military
to like study this, and Ididn't use that to my advantage. Sore
literally just blatantly lied in the Trader'sturret to plant a seat in my head

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and all the viewers to be like, wow, you are boys with someone.
You're being sketchy. Why aren't youlike this is the Trader's turret.
You should see she's doing. Shedoes. But I also didn't even know
what your first writing was or Codywas. I was going against these she
was a trader. Yeah, realitylike you know all stars of like you

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know, not manipulating lines, right. You don't realize like if you say
something like in a like, itcan become true even if it's not true.
If you're like that is so true, I got Sorry's like I'm going
to have this person out tonight becauseyou already got them out. It's after
the fact, and you're going tosay because I get things, I've done
my way or whatever. So sometimesyou can manipulate that, and especially in

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the games, we're like, well, I decided that he should leaven,
I'm in charge of these dumb boys. Yep. It did seem like she
was. Yeah, and guess whatshe did? Good for her? And
like you went with the boys.Yeah we slacked. I mean I literally
I don't think you guys slacked.I think everyone played a great part.
Yea. Had you not been likethe goofy puppy, I mean not there.

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I really just thought Cody was tooobvious. Why would he be a
trader him? In my head,I really was like so curious of who
the other traders were going to becauseI was like, there's there's no way
in hell they're picking Cody. Becauseat that point, it was after day
one, the first day we gotyou know, label this traders are selected,

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but we didn't know who the othertraders were right, not until that
evening, not until that evening,which was actually really that the next day
because filming so Malcolm Reality. Sowhat was wild about that is I kept
thinking I found out from Michael andeveryone else who Cody was. I found
out who everyone was. Finally,celebrity wise, no, I did kind
of two. I had to likeyes, because I don't watch the game
shows the same, and so Iwas like, there's no way they're putting

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a dude who won, right,Not a chance in hell. So he
was like, well they When Iknew that he was on Big Brother and
one, I'm like, yeah,it's not going to be a trader.
And sure shit I walked in there. Yeah, pretty fay, and he
got circles under his eyes. Youcould tell he was really weighing on him.
It was it was, oh,yeah, we'll get to that.
It was rob But one of thethings that was interesting, and when you

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look back at it is like Ijust did exactly what Cody did. I
let my mouth get to me.Oh, it's just such a slip up
of a actually set a trade orrule out loud. That's why I got
caught camera. It was after Idid the announcement of like, hey,
I've been recruited. Yeah, that'sso dumb. I wanted to murder you.
So because after then I started tolike you. After I got murdered.

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Like when I was watching it,I didn't like you in the moment,
but like yeah, like no,in the game, you drove me
nuts and that's but that was thegame. It was like he's just like
he's like a little hyper petal energizing. Love it, and it was good
for the TV show. I forgotwhat I was going to say about how
I messed up. I did saidwhy he's doing too much? Like why

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are you doing this? Because thenit just like to me like that put
Surrey and Cody after you or butokay, so I gotta say my piece
on this because no one's really putthe pieces together, and like I can
and I get it, like itwas like a dumb move. And but
what happened was the way it wasedited after that, they made it look

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like, oh, we get it. Rachel even knew she kind of had
my back in that moment. Butwhat people weren't realizing is Ari was on
the team, right, he hadthe shield, so no one takes a
stab. Like if we were ona team and we won and you go
in and you get the shield,you don't tell anybody, right, so
that keeps everybody on that team safe. Well, what we did is we

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murdered Stephanie that night, which wason Ari's team, So if anyone was
putting pieces together, they should haveknown one of the traders was on their
team. So when I said Iwas self recruited and Arid showed the shield,
the bunch of the UK people werelike, that was so smart.
I was like, I know,but what happened is after that I said
a trader rule out loud in frontof Rachel and Stephanie, and then we

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murdered her that night. So itwas like the Sirian Ari were like,
oh, well, let's just scarea Christian and I watch it if you're
a trader. If you're a trader, it's more fun because I think for
him, I don't think. Ifeel like Cody was struggling with it because
he seemed so oh yeah, itwasn't like fun like that I'm saying it

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was fun in the game playing.It sucked. We we stayed in that
turret at night for like an hourhours. It was well, let's let's
see who's the most tired looking tomorrowbecause the traders have to stay up later
than Yeah, you did say that, and it's very true. We had
to ride home. We got maybelike four hours asleep. I was like,
yeah, I was definitely seeing likebecause they would like leave bring us.

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Well, we can't say that wedidn't stay in the council because we
stayed in the castle, but wewere Yeah wait I didn't. He didn't
stay in the contile. Oh,it's a team, not the whole times,
but reality producers and everything, likeit's a it's a job. At
job. They have to do theirjob for sure, to the best of
their ability. But you know,sometimes as talent on camera, we want

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to believe the people that are bossingus around and we shouldn't. Right,
it can be you know, it'sa double edged sword. You want to
make a good show and but youcan't always listen to producers. Yeah,
it gets it's I feel like,being my first time, it's such a
slippery slope because you know, becausethe advantage of you didn't know anything exactly,
like whether it's contracts or like whatever. And I will say these two

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for two hours, you're fine,Yeah, you'll be good and like to
be fair, like yeah, havingmy military experience, I was good.
Like it sucked, but I waslike, oh whatever, Like no,
sleep should never looked tired on it. He was like, let's go.
That was the hardest part though,So I had to the reason I didn't
look or at least act as tireda lot of it. I had to
like literally just like okay, justjust fucking go all out, like be

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as annoying is you possibly can't,but I did have. I had Adderall,
Yeah, you told me this,I told you. I was like,
I was, I'm shocked that you'regoing to talk about it because I
didn't want to talk about it.Yeah, for sure. But at one
point we were in this area,in a waiting area because we couldn't get
to like what we were doing.We were there for hours, and Christian
was on fucking crack and I wastrying to to lay down with my I

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was very fat, and the fattestI've ever been on that show. Don't
say that, no, I reallywas so well there's COVID times, yeah
yeah, but anyway, I lookat just be kind to yourself fat,
come on now. But I waslaying, Kate was laying and he kept
coming around and he was all pumpedup. He said, you know me,
Adderall, I'm taking a day.I'm like a lot actually no,

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no, no, I do.But the thing is is, I actually
don't take that much. Like I'mon adderall now. I take a ten
milligram extended release in the morning andI'm up at five am, so that
ship's worn out by like one Sothere, I could only bring a certain
amount. It's like illegal, it'sillegal, so I ax. Yeah,
so yeah, she took my xanaxand then she can give me one zanex
a day. And then when Ileft, some of my isanics were gone.

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Oh really no, it's illegal.Oh wow, my god, I'm
surprised he didn't leave. They searchedI was trying to hide. They searched
all my luggage. Kate, actuallyshe was able to hide some ship.
Good for Kate is just Kate isjust honestly, if she wouldn't want it,
Yeah, she's a she's a goddess. Everything she does and did in

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Touch was just hilarious. I honestlythink the hardest part for me to watch
is when everyone, when already calledher a cancer of the grape, and
everyone walked away from her and lefther like sitting by herself, because that
was just we're in a game.Yeah, yeah, I mean that was
way lower than I went with Michael, you don't call well, yeah,
I was like yeah, I wasn'treally like paying. I mean I knew

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what was said. That's exactly whyI left though. That was but I
will say, Kate's Kate, likeI mean right back, she was like,
well, I don't think I waslike damn, like because I didn't
get to see. It's a toughbitch. That's why I love her.
She's so tough. But also todo a massive, big rewind, my
move wasn't as bad as it seemedto be the way it was edited.

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I just said a trade out loud, what was the rule? So what
I did is I was sitting infront of Rachel and Stephanie and Ari.
We were in the little library,and they were all like everyone at the
time, I'm not kidding you waslike, dude, you got recruited and
said no right, because I waslike, yeah, I think they're just
using me for my muscle, LikeI don't care. I gotta target on
my back because if we would havedone it right, we would have got

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rid of the last two and itwould have been fine. But Sia is
so good at getting Ari to dowhat everyone, including me, so so
I said, I go, yeah, I'm surprised they didn't give me an
ultimatum. And everyone was like,what, So the Traders, there's a
rule you can I can recruit Brandyand go I want you to be a
Trader. She gets ae, yep, yeah. So I go, hey,

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I we can recruit someone or givean ultimatum once it gets to a
certain point in the game. Andwhat that means is like you have to
join the Traders or you're off theshow. So I was talking because Ari
explained everything in detail of what happenedwhen we recruited him. So guess what
I did. I took every sortof detail he told me because I knew

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when I said, hey, Iwas recruited, They're all going to go,
what happened? How? What tellus what? Because I knew Kate
was gonna be on my ass?So I did you pretended to be?
I pretended to be and everyone smileeveryone When I say everyone believed it it
was I mean, Ari knew itwas Lie, Seren knew it was Lie.
Kate was like that's interesting, butlike Quentin and Andy and Steph was
even like Rachel was like, oh, it does add up? And I

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was like, no, I gotthis is what happened. I got the
letter, I did this, theydrove me back. This is what and
so it all made sense. Butthen when I was telling this story,
I was like, yeah, I'msurprised that they just they didn't give me
an ultimatum. And Rachel, beingso goddamn good with with rules, she
goes, she goes, what didyou just say? What I did murder
her in the game too? Well, I get goose what I'm saying about
it because I knew right there.I was like, I'm fucking done.

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She goes, what do you meanan ultimatum? And she's like, that's
not in our rule book, andI was like, in the Faithful rules,
it was in the Trader rules.But so I was like, no,
I'm I'm like, like, mycover up was no, no,
no, no. I got askedto be a Trader, so I was
allowed to see the Trader rules.I can't say yes to be in a
Trader if I don't know the rules. And she was like I was like,

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I'll go look right now. Andthat's when I stepped off, and
the producers they all pulled me offand they were like, you gotta fucking
figure it out. And I wasjust like fox. So I like took
five minutes. I came back inand I was just like, yeah,
it's not in the Faithful rules.You're right. I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm just letting you know that Igot to read the trader rules because
I was recruited, duh. Andfrom there, Ari in Sery backed me

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up that night and then the nextday it's liability exactly, and it was
it was very smart for that,yeah percent, But my whole point with
that was going but she also knewthat, like she was going to get
rid of Ari. That's so.So my whole thing is I pulled r
aside and was like, bro,she's gonna come for me. I know
she's gonna talk to you, andit's fine, but let's let's broke up

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together. Come on, let's sticktogether because she's gonna come at you.
And I was trying to say this, if I she knew, Serene knew
if I got to the final twowith her, she couldn't have used the
fame, the money that she usedagainst Ari to me, Like, what
are you gonna say to me?What are you gonna make people feel bad
about it. He lives in avan, like he doesn't deserve the money.
Do you live in a van?Not? Full time? I do

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not? I live in a Yeah. I'm like he's like, yo,
yeah, I'm an artist. Ilive in a van. Like I was
like, who is this? Istill have No, it's my only vehicle
but the one that I drove upin today is actually my friends. I'm
watching her dogs. I drove herNo, he's not dogs. My dogs
sometimes here, but he couldn't cometoday. No, but my whole Instagram

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is me and my brain find yourI was trying to figure out, like
I'm the worst answer person that doesit. Yeah, yeah, but I
was trying to find all the peopleand traders, yeah, especially forgotten,
like nominated for an Emmy. I'mlike, that's that's an let's think about
Also, I think I think himkate myself. Sorry, yeah it was

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Toady. I feel like that waslike a like they we did a lot
of the heavy lifting for s hitme with a shovel. I was going
to ask you, how how's thissho for everyone asking is there any scar
Christian? Okay? Well, Iwas like, I hope I don't have
a lot like I was going.I was going psycho, trying to bury
like one too many adimble couple,and I was lading. You're like,

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he's like the incredible hooking craft.I was going for me. I was
hurt. I was bleeding. Iwanted to murder you. I know,
I know, we just wanted moremoney. Did win. We did win.
Our team like we were working weird. It was a lot of work,
like you guys. I mean yougot to come back from a trip.
Actually did a lot when it cameto digging, like he did a
lot of it. But I wasactually working me. Were like, she's

(25:57):
looking. I was surprised you.You were on your hands, like you
were literally in there, like withyour hands. I was like, damn,
like you in But I not likebougie like that. I'm not like
that. They tried to make me, yeah, like the real house if
I'm as everyone knows, I'm kindof getty as fuck. I'm like,
but they like dressed me in thatglad thing. I would never wear that.

(26:17):
I'm a hooch. But they didnot like any of the clothes I
brought. Damn, They're like,nope, I just went to h and
M. I got a bunch ofOh really, yeah, I just was
like, that was my wardrobe.You look like you were in theme like
he had you did though that hedidn't have a bagpipe a never fucking wear
this, but I had to dophysical shit? What was Alan like?

(26:38):
Oh? He was great? Sofunny, he's the best. Yeah,
he's awesome. He there's like pointsstill where like he would roll it like
he was like he was on ourside. He definitely was. He was
was he fun? Did you guysget to have like a little different He
was on Instagram? But I gotthe party with him a little bit at
the f y what's it called?F What are you for? Your concer

(26:59):
FYC event for the Emmys. Itwas like I went to it here and
he like, where is that?It was, Yeah, I don't know,
I was. It was so weird. It was the only one from
the cast there, but it wasdope that I've never been to anything like
that. So when I showed up, you know, didn't you wear that
panel? No I wore something?What did I wear? No matter?
Yeah, no, I wor Iwish I would have wore this. I
didn't have to at the time,and like, yeah, yeah, I
know that's me. I really wouldhave but I didn't, and I just

(27:22):
wore like my big hat and someother stuff. But he explained what he's
wearing just for the audio. Buthe is naked, Yeah, basically just
naked little so far He's like,yeah, this is happening. These are
my people. Though it looks good. It's open skin, its skin.
It's I like to be but notAlan. So you and Alan were there,

(27:42):
Yeah, it was Alan and IAnd then there was a bunch of
you know, the casting team wasthere and so there's a panel of people
and everyone who votes for the Emmys. And so he answered all these questions.
I got to talk with people likesign autographs. Just so funny.
Yeah, and then we went tothe rooftop. It was that it's in
Hollywood. I forget the name ofit. That's amazing. It was so
wild. But I don't have like, I didn't have representations. Like people

(28:03):
there were like, oh, likewhat are you doing? Like what's your
move? Like are you having whodo you? I was just like bro,
what Like I'm just like acting whenI can and doing some influencing.
So there was all these like peopleasking about, you know, different shows,
how to get a hold of youand I don't. I was like,
that's when you read yeah, yeah, no I did. I did.

(28:23):
I wrote my number down literally andthen just gave my Instagram. But
it was like Alan was great.I mean at this point that's almost enough.
I mean, anyone that wants tofind that. I know. Alan
was super sweet on the show,and we were like, give us some
fucking whines, like, I know, this is crazy, y'all were dude,
y'all got us the booze that wassaying. I mean, I was
right before I fucking left. Iwas like, if you guys don't give

(28:44):
me my one glass of the lineat night, I am not shotting up
tomorrow because I was just so woundup. It was a lot of it
was just like arguing a lot oflike it's it's a lot on you.
People think it was so like funlike veithuls interns so much. Just because
you're defend, you're also lying thewhole time. That was that was really
like element I like, I'm theworst liar. When Sorry was like do

(29:06):
you think I'm a trader? I'mlike kind of yeah, yeah, I
know. She was like what,like shit, just don't ask me any
like honest questions. I'm gonna justtell you that might in the long run,
that might have made you a reallygood trader because you're so honest that
everyone's like, there's no way.Yeah, I mean, I mean literally
was me. You're right, I'ma trader. I am a trader.

(29:27):
Vote me off. And we werejust like yeast. She was so still
get paid the full ament. Sheher name down on her thing to like
try to save Shelby leave. Yeah, she was. She really saved the
like the end for me, likethe sturry part with the end, it
was heartbreaking. Go on, tellme some more tea. I'm trying to

(29:57):
think of tea now. I don'tknow why. I will say though,
my favorite part is when I leftthe show. They didn't they didn't show
it, but Kate sit up andshe was like, you're a genius like
you play and I was just like, oh, I got kid's blessing.
She's like, you don't understand Christian. Actually she's the smartest guy. He's
the best actor. He says.I'm like, all right, I know,
I know because I played Where toGod Brandy and I love damn.

(30:18):
She's so good. She's so likewas it was it was wild. That's
she was just being her authentically,which is I think that's what amazing.
It's great because she's been trapped onboats before with people she didn't mind.
Yeah, I like watched back likea bunch of Also, I watched like
stuff on you. I watched everythinglike on everyone. But I think there's
a I wanted to ask you.I thought it was the funniest shit.

(30:40):
I think this is was you.It was a Beverly Hills How's Wife episode
where you were like climbing in thebushes spying. Oh like, I watched
that ship. I was dying.I was like, shut the hell up.
You guys were like jump. Imean, and he knew we were
there. It's so sad, likehe was like to talk about being ghetto.
I'm like, Brandy, that shipwas funny. I looked it up.
I was okay, this is itwas fine. Him was like very

(31:02):
much like, let's put on wigs. I'm like, do we have to
go back? So could we justkind of like spire from the car.
She's like, no, we haveto get a remember. I'm like,
all right, Like it's not I'lljust do it, you know. Now.
I thought that was I thought thatwas hilarious. I didn't know anyone
shows and didn't watch anything. OhI didn't either, So now I have
to go and watch Surrey. Ihave to watch all the people. But

(31:22):
now I have my own takeaways fromthem, and I feel like I already
know how Rachel's probably is on everysingle show. Yeah, I mean she
drove she drove me as not asyou drove me. But she also said
I know Cody as a trader inthe beginning and then never stuck with that.
She was I well, because whathappened, I think from my perspective
issues she had no she had likestep and all the other girls, a

(31:45):
bunch of girls being like I don'tthink so, because there were there were
to a degree, there were peoplefalling. There are I think, like
you know, there's surviving people stucktogether, the Poe, the Big Brother,
you know, like everyone kind ofhappens also like a dude alliance or
the guys are all just like youknow, how they broke down. Yeah,
it was you know what I comparedit to when I was telling my

(32:07):
my older sister, She's like,how was it like? And I was
like, honestly, the only wayyou can explain it because it was so
much anxiety. Like the line was, Oh, it was so weird.
It was such a weird thing todo. I did, I did really
good, and but it and youjust didn't see it on You could call
Cody right now. Every time wegot in the van to go back to
the hotel, not even three minutesinto the van from the castle, the

(32:30):
seat belt would hold me up.I'd be I couldn't even walk to my
room. I was so much youtry to keep straight. That's why I
don't like, I couldn't believe it. I can't keep them straight. And
then I'm like, oh, I'dwide. And there were so many,
but I kept comparing it to meangirls. It was like being you go
in one room and you're just likein your head, You're like, everyone's
talking about that's just met each otherother than the ones that are in the

(32:52):
hotel right all. Actually, Imean I think that Rachel and Cody,
I think that they people knew eachother. But like beforehand, we all
met on the train, which youactually didn't see. I know that would
have been just because there was thatperson out there, Kevin. Was there
anyone that either of you apologize toaft to the show or anything that you
were like, oh that was uhyeah, I I apologized to quite.
I think I so the civilian likethe newcomers we put up we had our

(33:15):
own we have our own Instagram groupchat and so like yeah, I know
we've had we've had it for awhile. It's not that active anymore kind
of but we all like still DM. I just did like a full on
like hey, I'm sorry, likeI had to play a game. But
one thing that kind of like mess. You shouldn't have to apologize, I
know, but one one that I'mWe're still it's not like damaged like crazy,

(33:36):
but Bam really took it pretty serious. So Bam was my guy and
they don't show it and that likeactually I mean it. I like it
was the first time I cried oncamera. Was really weird. It seemed
to really fun with him was beingburied alive like after that, like he
was not like he was do rememberwhen he was in there for so long.
I remember him being in there becausehe was he had to go talk
to the Oh see, I didn'tknow that it was that really fucked with

(34:00):
him. And then I think theyjust that's when they got rid of him.
Oh god, that I suggested.That's the problem. There's no way
right because you don't know how you'regoing to react. I'm so glad I
didn't get volunteered. Like I volunteered, I didn't get selected. Thank god
I would I would have caved.That was true. But like Bam was
someone I had to reach out to. Right it was. We were all
good. He even came here.We hung out with me and Gerald New

(34:22):
York, like he lives out there. He's a solid, super sweet guy.
I mean, everyone's crushing it.He's crushing it life. But he
came here. And then I hadwe had a viewing party and he was
here for the viewing, but theywent to he went to I think the
Geraldines, or maybe he didn't goout and I invited him. And then
once the first episode came out,because they show like when I got rid
of him or episode two or whateverit was, then there was silence and

(34:43):
I was like, fuck, andI get it. It probably did hurt
his feelings seeing it in a differentway, but he's still mad at Mark
McGrath and a lot of other peoplevoted me off in Big Brother, which
was so stupid. But we're friends. Yeah, but I had to tell
him I hated him. Yeah,that's but you're that's the thing though,
like you're you'll just say it,like sometimes the silence is worse, you
know, it's it's better because thenit's in the show. Then you get

(35:06):
to get it out. You justlike have that moment and you can say
it's because at this show. Butyou can let's just say the show.
Yeah, I think everyone did.It was he upset, and he kind
of understand he was upset. He'spretty upset. I think it was more
and like this is where this issomething that I've been talking to you like
offline about which and like most peopledon't actually even like know this truly about
me. It's like I'm not white, I'm his, I'm Mexican. Spect

(35:30):
yeah right to me, right,no, no. But the thing is
is like there's an unwritten rule withincultures. I think you stick together.
You stick together, and here's thedeal that is very valid. Like you
tried. You saw it with likeyou know, Surree in Quinton and Andy
trying to kind of like in Shelbytrying trying to stick together, which I
respect. And then there was thelike you know, the hispan. It

(35:51):
was me, Geraldine and Bam,And who do I get rid of?
You know, we blame Geraldine firstand then the second one I get rid
of, like Bam, the oldI didn't know I did cut? Yeah
for sure, straight up yeah,and you're the culture right so but to
me, right, what I didn'tunderstand or like, what people don't get

(36:14):
is I'm in the trader turret withtwo celebs, right. A lot of
the times I would suggest something,but it was also like people just think.
I was like I had to be. They're like, is this guy
gonna get rid of his people ornot? Because and I felt like if
I didn't go, yeah, let'sget rid of Bam or let's get rid
of whoever, because they're gonna belike, this guy's loyal to the it's
going to come back to bite us. Well, they said that the same
thing kind of with Cody exactly right, Exactly, you've got to prove it,

(36:36):
you're throw The only person that didn'tthrow any of her people under the
bus was Surrey. Yeah, shedid it. She played it so perfectly,
like how are these boys not sayingget rid of Quentin or get rid
of Andy? Let's like mix usup, like this is your crew.
She had, she had all oftheir ears. They all she kept on
saying, I'm a faithful like sherepeated it so many times. I'm like,
girl, if you're faithful, youdon't say that much. Yeah,

(36:59):
but she had them, she wasin their ear. And I don't see
how you guys didn't break up thatquad. Well. I tried at the
end, but it was way toolate because I had Quentin and I were
so tight. So I was like, I'm good, Andy was. They
were skeptical of me, but wehad a really good conversation, which I
felt was good. But then assoon as Sarre got yeah in there.

(37:21):
But Quinton stayed loyal and never votedfor me once shout out to my guy.
But he didn't get he didn't getone right. He did not one
at any tame and he was soadamant about But that's what I'm saying,
like, usually you have to breakup couples qua or triples and quads,
and I just saw her, likeher group growing and she had, you

(37:44):
know, everyone's ear. I'm like, you guys, get in there,
break it up. So I justdon't understand how that didn't happen. I
don't. I think you just losesight of it when you're in there.
I feel like the gameplay changes asa trader every ten. In my head,
I was like, okay, I'mdoing this or that, and then
you know all these people then theywon't vote me out exactly. It's hard
and like I had alliances, butI also was just everywhere all at once,

(38:05):
so I didn't have Yeah, Ididn't have the GIF I had.
Well, I had Michael in thefirst half, Quentin wrote with me the
whole time I brought Arian. Kylewas always skeptical of me, but but
he never you know, I nevergot my name voted once until I mean,
I was trying to tell them youwere a trader. Yeah, you
would say it like you pointed andyou would say it out loud, but

(38:27):
no one voted for me until myfinal round table, which I was like,
Okay, thank god for the showthough, because we needed this little
crackhead like being crazy all over theplace, like you wosa. I think
it was really sad, like whenyou guys got rid of Resa, because
you see now that he was justtrying to make good TV. He would
like they just thought he was superannoying because he would be like, so,

(38:50):
you know, throwing out things forus to all talk about, because
it was kind of it wasn't organized. They were all in a room,
it was very tense. Was justtrying to make it yeah, like we
should be talking about something to dowith the game rather than our floors.
You know what I mean? Rightright? It was he was actually trying
to help the situation. No,he was, I suggested, don't know
that's what he was doing. Hecame off bossy. Yeah, he came

(39:13):
off like I run the show.This is what we need to do.
And that's not where his heart wasat. And I knew he was just
trying to make a good show.It was good if he stayed. But
seeing the way that he reacted,I think it was kind of funny.
Then. Yeah, I was like, oh a t a non scripted TV
person getting booted off on the firstday. I mean, they should just

(39:34):
cut those together from everybody. Well, and like obviously there's nothing personal with
anyone on the show. But butI will say too, like it was
my idea to get rid of Ressa. In the turret, I said,
we need to get rid of Ressafor two reasons. Gets the monster,
yep, to break up the threebecause like it was you and I already.
But when you're talking about like splittinggroups up, I was doing that

(39:54):
just with the wrong person down theroad, right, I mean, like
you, it could have been anyone. It could have been anyone group.
You're focusing on winning and I wasnot producing the show production. I feel
like, keep the interesting right.He's going to win though trying. So
he is so funny. His fashionis phenomenal, but what it's not It
was the wrong place at time.It was the wrong place. But that's

(40:15):
just who he is. Yes,But to Brandy's point, I also noticed
that, so he's doing these thingsthat are I was, they're so fucking
funny, traders, get up,it's they're calling you out, and everyone
would look. He was talking aboutthe floors. He was talking stuff like
he was giving me, like he'slike, now you got money, I
know those you're wearing, what this, and like everyone's shoes and so.

(40:35):
But he's gay, he's right,But but what that's doing it was rubbing
a lot of people wrong. SoI know, now if we murder him
when he was talking about later things, yeah, I would have been people
he would not talking about last butjust like trying to like make it.
I'm like, I'm not having agood time. Yeah, but honestly,
which is the wrong approach, notlike no he doesn't because I thought it

(41:00):
was so an organized. I didn'tthink the show was going to make it
to air. Yeah it was.There was a lot of I mean,
I think it was my first experience, a lot of waiting around because it
was our first time doing the theproduction for the US, and there was
a lot of disorganization and a lotof people like coming and going and switching
out production and we didn't have foodfor a while. It was like it

(41:21):
was massively it was. Yeah,there were so many people, we didn't
have like food. It was justa little very unorganized. And then it
was like her ripe and wait andlet's do this and you have experience and
you know that right, I'm like, you don't know, this is not
is not good. You could telltoo, because shooting we were all going
to look horrid too. Yeah,like it was interesting but because of it,
look at it, Yeah, Imean it was cool. Yeah exactly.

(41:43):
I mean, like it did workout, so that's good. But
the fact that Reza was the wayhe was. Sadly, I realized,
oh, I can use that againsthim because it rubbed so many wrong,
like people like like when Shelby madeher comment and it was like something about
the money like it because people wereso tense. He was so funny he
put it. But it wasn't bad, I know, it was just so

(42:07):
smart. I was like, ohmy god, that's why I was really
but you just couldn't break up.Sorry, sorry, I couldn't bring up
so I got I got caught upin her, like I mean, being
part of it. I was blindto it, but it just made sense
because it was like, Okay,clearly whoever murdered Rezza is someone in here
that didn't agree with him. SoI was like, the first thing I
said is let's kill yeah. ButI was like, we gotta kill Rezza

(42:29):
because we can split the Bravo peopleup and everyone's gonna think it's all the
people that were like pissed that infor saying the fashion stuff and they were
all like, oh that makes sense. I'm like, yeah, no,
it was very smart, but itwas, but it sucks. I felt
bad because he was he was actuallytrying to help the show. No.
Yeah, because it's what the ladYou're like, no, keep the gay,
keep the gay. He was no, but that that was like it

(42:55):
was interesting. I've never even beenin Scotland. No, but I want
I heard you got to stay.I tried to stay after and like go
around. They wouldn't let me.Oh no, I yeah, fuck you.
I'm like, I'm a grown auswoman, like I'm gonna go do
what I want. I have thewhole month of May off. They're like,
nope, that's what I walked meto the plane. No, so

(43:15):
same, but I uh told thepeople like I just yeah, I had
to go home. But what Idid is I just told I don't know
if I'll probably get in trouble,but I just told him. I was
like, hey, like I gottalike. I told the baggage person.
I was like, I gotta getoff in London. I have a family,
like wedding, I'm going to.Oh okay. So they pulled my
bag and when we landed in Londonfor the hour layover, I bought my
own flight. I went to Italyfor a month. Yeah. I just

(43:37):
loved was like, oh yeah hewent around Scotland or something. I was
like, No, I went toItaly and I went to Spain. I
just because I was so like mentallylike fucked from the shop. You have
a burnout month, Yeah, forsure, I put on I've gained so
much weight everyone. I don't knowwhy, but I put on. So
just lay and you burn out.And yeah, I just ate in the
hotel. That's all I did inthe show. I just ate Nate Nate

(43:59):
to like of us eating from itsactually just all I did was order and
order food and it was, youknow, it's heavy food. It's like
we didn't have food. We didn'tlike had like gas station food for like
the first half of the show.And then Kate threw a fucking fit.
I didn't see it, I know, and everyone talked about it and then
we started getting food. Epic putthat in the show. Yeah, I
know. It was so started leaving. So it's Kate and Laura like she

(44:23):
just had a welfare and we hadjust had like the chili and really so
oh yeah that was like being outof ballpark. Yeah, it was really
gross. And they got it fromlike then, you know, Roses on
the strict diet and he had justlost a bunch of weight and he's like
taking care of himself and we wereliterally getting sandwiches from the grocery store.

(44:44):
Were you guys? It was justyeah they I guess the cook had gotten
sick or whatever, but we justdidn't have food. And so then Kate
decided enough was enough. We're allin this giant room, the cast and
we're eating, well, we weren'treally eating because it was gross. She
goes your head a welfare right,and then Kate just fucking lift. I

(45:08):
was gone for a minute, andslowly but surely, all of the people
were getting up and walking out.I'm like, oh, hell no,
I'm staying for this. I wasthe only one that sat there when she
went off the entire time, andthey were going back and forth. It
was better than any Housewives read I'veever seen in my life. And then
all of a sudden, this girlwalks in with a like she was a

(45:29):
COVID thing. I okay, itlooks like you just got yourself COVID savage.
They tested her after that. Then, oh wow, I was like,
did she have COVID? No,it was just the timing, wasn't
the test Then you have COVID?Get out of Yeah, you were like
calling it out right. I wasgone. Damn. I heard about it,

(45:50):
but I never got to see itwas masterful. Yeah, that was
interesting. There was a lot ofthings that happened that I just wasn't watching
or aware of. But like pat, I had so much going on,

(46:10):
and I was like, and Ihad to like use it. I couldn't.
I couldn't. I didn't have itfor the whole time I was there,
So I had like I could onlybring a certain amount and I was
already have to say no. SoI didn't have it during Italy. But
I had to, like you gainedweight because like, yeah, I was
so confusing, and but I hadto double And I also couldn't work out.
I work out like a psycho everyday, so and to me,

(46:31):
so I would take like I wouldlike I would be psychotic. I just
go, but I had to doublelot. Now I would double up.
So I would do like one daywhere I was like, Okay, today
it's gonna be even though I wason all the time. I'd like,
I gotta take the gym. Huhoh right, yeah, I mean no,
I would ask to go outside.There was a gym down there,

(46:52):
but I could just run on thetreadmill. You couldn't like lift or anything,
and you couldn't be in the gymat the hotel. They had to
reserve because you couldn't go with anyoneshould be because so it was so weird
and then like I don't know,it was just it was a whole weird.
Well, I got murdered. Iwent into the bar and I started
making my own drink from the wrongside and got in a little trouble.

(47:13):
Did you Yeah, Kate and Iwere like, this is what we want.
I just got murdered. I don'tcare. I was like, I'm
fucking over the ship. See theseproductions. I'm missing out on a hole
behind the scenes should be the offto show, which is Kate yelling about
the food. Then yeah, you'renot being able to work out it,
like yeah, yeah side dark sideof reality. Yeah, like you're right,

(47:35):
that should be something to look intoyou because like write that down.
Yeah, you got to get everythingthat's awesome. I don't know, like
if I wasn't casting, I wouldcast Christian for another show. I think
that you didn't trying. So eventhough you know, like in like a
good way, like entertaining entertain well, you should be on every competition show
from now until. That's what Iwanted. You have coming up? I
got nothing so far. I appliedfor Big Brother, like I went to

(47:59):
the like thing was like it wascool, Like obviously didn't get it,
No big deal. But I reallywant to do Survivor. Oh I can
never teach you could? Yeah,yeah, Amazing Race. I would love
to do that. Seems like itwould be fun. It would be fun.
It would be so interesting to doAmazing Race with you because we're the
You would have to give me athinking aback the entire I could do it.
You would not wish that upon you, so if you would just be

(48:19):
carrying it the whole time. ButI would be like exchanges. I would
be like bot a system. Ihave one that would be so fun that
we just hit bars for just likescrew and I can win that. Do
that like that should be like arequirement, like you have to have tea
and then try and find the thingand just do it completely different. Yeah,
you're just drugged out trying to dolike like he probably would hyper.

(48:44):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that. It's I want to get on some
other shows. You will stuff,but I don't. I don't want to
do that no like like the Bachelor, Like, man, sorry, I
learned about what he like as soonas Dark Side of the Baths that show
the real or the unreal? Isit? I don't know, but I've
just found out like through Ari obviouslyand all, like I grew up with

(49:07):
two sisters, so like I havea lot of girl like friends and they
were all like, oh my god, Ari is he how do you what
is he like? Like? AndI was like, well, I found
out how Yeah. He was likehe told me too, like before the
show, and I gotta give himprop because I'm actually watch a season so
I don't. But I actually reallylike the guy, except for when he
called Kate to cancer. Yeah youdon't leave someone say that in Luck's fine?

(49:29):
Yeah they they yeah, that's theygot to hash that out. And
I don't know, everyone's fine.I feel like steering it too, honestly,
Yeah yeah, and it's just itis what it is. People who
take it like actually personally from likethe show's shouldn't be doing reality to me?
And then yeah, you definitely shouldn't. But Ari, he was like,
whatever you do, like, don'tgo on Twitter. He's like,

(49:51):
they like didn't snl skit on Ari, Like that's how I hated he was
fun of or like roasted because I'malso finding out that it was a lot
of production making him like go backfor the House of the Girl. He
said, It's like that's the hardthat's what sucks. And it's like,
what is he gonna do? He'sgot if you don't ever say, especially
when like you're there, you thinkyou're in safe hands and you're you're being

(50:13):
produced, but you're like, Okay, tell me what you want, and
like you give it to them andthen they use it against you in a
weird way. Yeah, like you'reto do the job, you know,
the assignment, you give it all, and then they're like, come,
let's make you the villain this year. Yeah yeah, I mean, but
I would love to do another showwhere I'm not the villain, where I
can actually work on like a moreof a team than like, Okay,
I have to play it. Ihad to play a role eve it was

(50:37):
unscripted, but like I wanted thatrole. But now it's like damn,
like well you're good at it,but you have that you have lots of
energy too, like said, it'snot just like just one direction of like
got to get to the like everylittle step that you've considered along the way,
it'd be interesting. I don't know. I'm trying to like the challenge
would be cool. I've heard that'slike pretty physical and like, but there

(50:57):
is a lot of stuff too,meant like the mental side of it,
Like when we did our the mapone so what what's so funny in that
is? I was like it wasyou and Cody, it was so funny.
I was like, Okay, I'lltake the map and you both were
like no, like not this idiot. All I did for eight years was
land navigation as no one didn't knowanything. So in my head and then

(51:20):
I was like let me. Iwas like, okay, can I have
the walkie talk? And I evenhad to tell myself I was like,
stop volunteering. But it also workedbecause I was like all I did was
talking on a radio in Afghanistan allover like I'm so good at communication and
stuff. And I was like,let me get the radio and Cody was
like, hell, no you couldbecause he was so hyper. We exactly
it was just not gonna work.But I'm saying, my see, how
like they thought I was being justthat and in my head, I was

(51:45):
yeah, and I was trying tolike hold that back, but also it
worked my advantage. And I wasin the military. I know, I
know, but I just figured thatlike if I said I acted, which
I have that, I just waslike, why don't I just like my
instagram is me on a van,and if I'm going to be a trader,
let's just what's another lie or two? So I was like, fuck

(52:07):
it, I'm just gonna say that. But it was so funny because in
my head, I'm like, ohmy god, you guys, like I
can I can, like let medo this, like I can read the
map, like this is so easy. But I had to like kind of
be like, oh, I don'tknow what's going and he's like a children's
map like a door. It waslike, if anything, it was more
confusing, Yeah, not a realmap, and I was lost either.

(52:29):
I'm like, I can run,but I'm gonna keep want to wear this
to do they set you up forfailure in that wardrobe and ship that you
generally. They put her in ablazer like heels, We're gonna be running
outside and I had like there waslike potholes and no, no, it
was That's why I wasn't running becauseI had like a wedge on. Yeah
you did, like with a bigold hill and like, I'm go,

(52:52):
I know it was so mess likeyou could do as seniors edizen. I'm
like, that's how I fault.I'm just glad Katy didn't win. Honestly,
Yeah, I didn't know. Idid a lot. I didn't know
there was a whole army against him. He just has too much to you
already, and he was smug aboutit straight away. I was like,
no, you not winning? Chahappened? Yeah, I've seen Cody a
little bit. It was like he'shot, but that yeah, it was.

(53:19):
It was interesting to see everyone's dynamiccome New York, which I wish
you would have been there. Thatwas oh yeah, I wasn't there for
the weekend that would have been.That would have been sucked up. That's
what it was. But that yeah, And honestly we don't even have talk
about it. Oh you did,Okay, Well it would have been really
I think it would have been reallynice, way better. But it was

(53:40):
also yeah, it was yeah,And then going out after it was interesting,
like the people like groups of whowent out, they had little they
stuck together. Yeah, but theyalso they did a weird thing and I
don't know if this is why,but they put us all in different like
they put groups of people in separatehotels, so like like let's just say

(54:00):
eight of us were in one hoteland ten were in the other. And
I was like, no, usuallyit's just because they want to get their
rate. I don't think. Idon't think that's a mind fuck aph really
Okay, I don't know. Ilove to get that paranoid they said too.
They were telling us not that wecouldn't like meet up with the other
ones. It what do you thinkit is? What do you think the
play is? I don't know.I think they're just trying to get the

(54:21):
like controversy with them. But Idon't know. Everyone seemed to be like
like like fun, like happy,Like I was just like drinking, like
this is like a tortuous relationship.What are you getting? Like, we
don't get they're flitting us up.Yeah, so do you know of I've
heard that the next season's gonna beall celebs. I know a few people
that are doing it. Yeah.I can't obviously say, but they're really

(54:45):
trying to model it exactly how thelast one I did because it did so
well. I think of like whothey brought on from the last one.
Okay, basically like it seems tome that they're doing that kind of thing
again. Okay, interesting, Imean, damn it. I mean it
was. I think that it wasfun. I think that that we were
a super dynamic cast. And Idon't think they're going to be able to

(55:06):
copy us. Oh that's true.I also think give us five years,
we're coming back. They've got thestars Traders. Oh my god? Was
this modeled off? Like way didit stop? Isn't Australian? I apologize
it was a Dutch one and thenthey gave it to us in Duck in
Dutch, and so I was justwatching it and I was like, I
didn't watch an episode. I meanit was hard because it was in Dutch,

(55:30):
and I did really like I don'tknow. I was just like fuck
it, like my first job afterCOVID, and like I'll just do it,
yeah you know, And like Isaid, like we yeah, what
did you know about it? Wereyou just like did they just kind of
tell you like hey, castle shitor what did you I know? You?
Big Brother meets fear factor meets kindof thing, gotcha the survivor part.
I was like hmm. But thenthey said it's a game of manipulation

(55:52):
and lying and all that, andI'm like, okay, well, like
I got all these audio books onlineand how to like body language. See.
Yeah, that's why I knew Ishould have been a trader. No,
I would have I would have no. I would have been like,
I'm a fucking trader. You guysare like, fuck you, I'm going
to the bar. Okay, Igot a question for you. Do you
think? And I'm I will takethis to the end, like of my

(56:15):
side of it, what is youropinion? I'm was it harder to be
a faithful or a trader? What? Oh? A trader? One hundred
percent? Thank you? Whatever cameraeveryone says it's why so much harder to
be a faithful And I was like, bro, we're lying every single day,
like you have to get off theyea, you have to keep all
the lives. Yeah, yeah,because in take pills. I just think

(56:37):
it was Okay, that makes mefeel really good. Thank you for saying
that percent, Like I was actuallyvery disappointed in my faithfuls for just every
time a trader or every time afaithful will just leave. It was like
one I'm like, I don't knowif I could watch this. It was
pretty really tough. At some point, I was like, I want to
question before a trader. It wasn'tuntil at technically the way it was at

(57:00):
it was different. So there's tenten episodes essentially. Right seven is when
we finally got in Cody, andit was only because we turned I stabbed
his back and Suri we turned onhim. Otherwise, no traders were getting
picked off because Si had her crew, everyone had their little crew. Everyone
was in their ears, and I'mlike, someone's going to have to figure

(57:21):
out to break up this monster.And we wanted to go. I think
we would have actually been fine.We were going to the end, like
just Surrey and I. But thenAlan came knocking on the door one night.
It was like you have to putpeople that, you have to recruit
someone, and we're like, thebest choice was right right, and anything
should have been a bro Yeah,and just listen to me. Damn it,

(57:44):
I know, but it's okay,it's okay. It's the game that
Yeah, in the game, like, there's so many things I wish I
could have done differently, but yeah, but you want a different scoff And
when did you say When did yousay? I can't remember. You did
the thing where you were like,you're a trader, you're a trader,
and you got all three? RememberI got because I just thought Michael was

(58:07):
a fucking trader. Yeah, butwho'd you say? It was me?
Sure, but you didn't think Yeah, you didn't think Cody yeah, because
he was. It was too obvious. Nothing really and I don't know you
did. And she's like that,well, because you were someone who debated.
We were like, no, I'mgoing home. But but to be
fair, like, I don't know, it was it was so there's so

(58:29):
many different things you can or couldn'tdo, and then you had to agree
with everyone. But it was Idid not like that table. They made
that room so cold in there,and like you got it out it was
so well that was the best partof it. I mean, like you
want the drama and like people arefighting for their lives in there because we're
you're gonna have that was you haveto vote right in front of the person
and show them. That's what madeit different from any of the other games

(58:52):
I did. You cannot bullshit yourway like I didn't vote for you,
man, I'm all good. Iget to write down there say why I
know so many like right in frontof that, so there was not like
I didn't vote for you. Yeah, and when they gave you so like
you would like Brandy, we'd allvote right. They would take the things
back and they would look at who'sgonna go, so they would be like,
for example, pretend I'm Cody andyou're me. They knew the numbers

(59:15):
and they were like, oh,okay, we're gonna start with the left
of Cody. So I had tobe the deciding factor and look at my
fellow turn and be like I gottago with Cody. And I was like,
oh fuck. It was so uncomfortable. So they did the math on
it and being like, oh,Brandy's gonna go, okay, let's make
her. Yeah. Yeah, thatwas weird, but it was awesome.
It was so smart. I wishI could have sussed that out ahead of

(59:37):
time. But you should have seen. You would have. I'm sure Kate
told you should have seen Rachel's accent. I didn't. I didn't. I
watch it on the team. Ohyou didn't see all of it? And
Alan had a yell at her tobe quiet and be like stop stop because
she was like so fucking pissed.We got all backstabbed her and like it
was she was like, you guys, I'm literally I felt bad Shelby's I
felt really bad for too. Iwas like crying and feel like, oh,

(59:59):
you're faking. I was like,na, dude, I feel bad,
like this one fucked me up.And then sure, shit, she
goes up there. I don't knowwhy she lied, though, I gotta
what do you mean she lied about? What about her job? She said
she was a teacher. I thinkshe just didn't want people knowing that she
was in PR because yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good thought.

(01:00:20):
I thought she was a kindergarten deeader. I liked it too. The whole
time. She also stuck to hergun. She just like didn't give a
shit. She did not give ashow. She was tough, like she
was like I knew she wasn't atrader, and I saw her like really
studying people, and when they werelike Shelby, that's good her, I'm
like, no, Shelby's definitely nottrader. Yeah, she was just too
intensely studying everyone else. Yeah,wish she would have been in New York.

(01:00:52):
The show was a ship show ina fun way. Great, it
didn't seem fun when I watched it. Yeah, no, fair enough,
maybe if you were in there alittle more. I mean, Rachel and
Kate's things were a little like funny. But I wanted to like, I
wanted to like see like I mean, it was nice to see how like
Andy and Quentin. I wanted tohear from them right because we didn't.

(01:01:14):
You didn't hear from them at all. We didn't. It was like,
Okay, Sree, your best friendis sucking you over and winning and taking
the money and go have your babies. Yeah, we should have had more
moves on them, on people gettinglike played the most, Like I wanted
to hear like in the moment,yeah you heard a little bit, but
like, how did that fuck withyou down the road? Yeah, like

(01:01:35):
knowing that you're that susceptible to manipulation, Yeah, that's true. I also
like, yeah, I had tosee a therapist I mean for I mean
I'm still seeing a therapist for years. Yeah. I started doing it.
It was more for like military stuff, but then after this, I was
like, I mean drugs, buthey, it's everyone's got their stuff.
But I think just therapy is great. But after that it was weird because
I was like, why why wasthat? It's not that I was comfortable,

(01:01:59):
but I was like, how didit becomes when you lie? Something
you learn and I've learned now isthat when you lie, you like so
much on a consistent level. Eventhough it was for like a month,
right, you start believing that ship, which is so weird. Like I'd
be like no, I would belike fuck, no, so and so's
this, and I'd go home andi'd go back to like, you know,
my room, and I'd be I'dbe like, duh, of course

(01:02:21):
they are. It was it waslike really weird that therapy. I think
a lot of people, like myex husband, for example, he believes
his own lies. So you know, there's a there's a narcissistic no you
do it. You start to believe. It makes it easier for you though,
too, because you're telling a lieand then overriding that with like,
oh no, that's true without evenknowing it. It's gonna be like self
preservation, like I'm gonna lie that. That's the real thing. I think

(01:02:42):
exactly. I think that your brainyou have to so that's why narcissists the
news are so good at that,right, which is sad, but it's
also like so effective, I guess. But you're putting people down and then
you're just like going home back toyour room. And what's weird like putting
people like you weren't saying like you'rejust having them home, right, but
but in your head, no,no, exactly, and it is just

(01:03:02):
a show. So now I'm like, I don't give a ship. But
for I would say for at leastat least three and a half four months
after I was just like I didn'tdo anything. I went I went on
my tour thing, I went homeback to Wisconsin with family, like I
didn't really, it was just aweird should warn you guys about the burnout
you have for seven like situation.You definitely have a burnout like for a
month, because you're not all ofa sudden you're alone, you're wondering where

(01:03:25):
your mic is, and you're notlike, you know, I don't have
to think about this right now.You know your brain is playing tricks on
you, and you do think aboutit when I didn't think of that.
That's a very good point because Iremember getting miked up. I wouldn't like
freak freak out, but like thepsychiatrists had to pull They're almost called it.

(01:03:45):
I think they called it like goingblack, where like you hit a
level of like yeah, like Iwouldn't I wouldn't look anyone in the eyes,
like, uh no, I couldn't. Could not stand that fucking guy.
I didn't like him. I lovethe girl though I didn't know the
Gareth dude like freaked me out.I think he just like made me realize
what I was doing more so Iwas like I don't want no j Yeah,
I mean listening that made me feelbetter about it. Yeah, no,
exactly just I don't know what thatwas. But it was weird because

(01:04:08):
they were like forcing me to havethe meetings with the psyches and I wouldn't.
Yeah, I was like, no, I'm not going to. But
then the wellness people came in.They're like, hey, you have like
a phone call from from some andI was like, oh really, who
is it? And it was aFaceTime from them be like you have to
do this or you can't go onthe show. I mean honestly, we
didn't. That's like other than BigBrother UK, I've never had it a
psychologist want to show. So it'sactually nice that they did that for us

(01:04:30):
their wellness stuff was unreal to havepeople just so like make sure you're okure,
Like I need a psych about onHousewives, I'd be like, get
back in there. That's got toplay it like a toll on you,
like for the long run, right, like people who do shows and don't
have that Like yeah, no,I mean I think that that's that was
at least we did have that safetynet, you know, Yeah, that's
that's true. One of the onlytimes what were you worried about with the

(01:04:53):
therapy that it was just no,Like, so what happens is when you
go back to your room. Thisis like stuff that like I realized with
like my therapist, is that youhave like really no control over the game,
right, the environment that the challenges. I mean you did when you
voted to a degree. But likeI go back to my room, I'd
like write stuff on my mirror.I'd write stuff on napkins, which like
getting a goddamn pen and that showI couldn't even get one in my room.

(01:05:15):
Liked to see you had to doit. So what I do is
I'd use the shower. It wouldfog up and I'd write and then I
tell the maid. I was like, don't fucking clean my shower because I
have stuff in there, but Iwouldn't. There's certain one day it was
someone came and miked me up andit was some some guy and I was
like, WHOA, where the fuckis Jimmy or whoever it was, And
I like freaked out. I waslike, I'm know. I was like,

(01:05:36):
I need the guy to mike meup the same way. We did
it every day. It was soweird, but you had a routine.
You had a routine. Yeah,and it like freaked me out, and
it was this whole thing. Andit was just sounds like when you're a
football player and you have to dothe same game right before you go into
like the big game. It gotmentally just a weird. I mean,
like I've deployed, Like I waslike this will I was gonna say,

(01:05:59):
is like yeah right. But thatwas that was so different because you were
just like, hey, what's up, bro? And then the next I
was just like, oh, I'mjust lying to you and it's for money,
and then and it's a game.And fenty friends were not really friends.
And everything's like that is more ofa mind fuck than you think.
Oh yeah, but that's what That'swhy I don't think I liked the Garrett
dude, not like I don't actuallynot like him. But he came in
and he told me. He waslike, hey, I've been doing this

(01:06:19):
for I don't know, twenty yearswhatever he said. He's like, I'm
telling you because what people don't knowis when you were selected as a trader.
I don't know if they told youthis, but they're like, so
when we did the test for this, they had to test the show.
Yeah, like but they had to, like you know, they bring people
in to test the format of theshow to see if it works. So
they bring in people to be tradersand people to be civilians and just test

(01:06:42):
them to see like how they doit. The traders that were selected couldn't
last forty eight hours on all thetest subjects they did for the actual show,
so they were selected as traders.They played the game as normal,
right like that we didn't. Yeah, the traders only lasted for forty eight
hours and then they were all like, we can't do this ship And I
was like that, I said,that's for pussies like I've literally went to
war. This is not that hard. So they couldn't do it because they

(01:07:04):
didn't like the mental side of it. Yeah, to keep all your lives
straight and to be able to That'swhat Garrett told me. And he was
like, I've done, big brother, I've done all these shows. And
he goes, I'm telling you froma mental aspect, this is gonna be
way harder, and I was like, no, it's but you also don't
want something to preempt you, andlike you don't want to hear that exactly.
That's what bothers me, Like youwant you have your mindset on something.

(01:07:25):
But I'd like, obviously he wasjust trying to help, but he
was. He was trying to help. Listen, we all operate differently,
because sometimes sometimes that's not going tohelp you. I mean exactly, I
don't like people to tell me what'sgoing to happen before it happens. I
really dislike that immensely. And Idon't like to plan things. I just
like to fly by the seat ofmy pants and like I love that go
because otherwise I get in my ownhead too much, so much anxiety.

(01:07:47):
What's let me ask you the mostla question. What is your sign?
Yeah, okay, I'm not gonnaact like I know what that means.
But I thought you'd say Gemini becauseyou'd like I like to go, I'm
a Gemini. That's why I marrieda Gemini. Did you I have?
My son's a Gemini. My dad'sa Gemini. Yours are fucking crazy?
Wait? What what day is yourson born on? Okay, June second

(01:08:10):
June? Damn? Okay in Junesixteenth, fourteen, Oh, June.
Okay, I'm a May. I'ma May thirteen. But you know,
like you just know that there's twoseparate personalities in there. You it's doctor
Jackelman, mister Hyde. I seeit with my son. I see you
access with my dad, Like youget the good version half the time and
then when it flips fucking Yeah,what am I I'm aquarious? I don't
know. Yeah, I feel likethey're probably good. I feel Gemini's gonna

(01:08:32):
good at everything. They're really hot. They they clean up hoop themselves.
Where are you from? Originally Australia? Oh you are Australia. Okay?
Where in Australia Sydney, Sydney.I got I got a massive group of
Aussies. Yeah, like I justconnected too many of them. It's my
favorite. Okay, I love that. Yeah, the Aussies their judgment,

(01:08:55):
you can do whatever you want.Yeah, especially I love how y'all can
just casually thrilled sword anywhere. It'slike it's a yeah, hey County.
Yeah yeah I say that. They'relike, yo, you're getting out of
here. I know people don't.We're really dry as well with our humor
and some people don't get that here. You'll say something and they're like offended

(01:09:16):
by it, and you just don'tget offended by anything in a star.
I love those and they drink waymore than I do. Something. Aussies
are like Wisconsin's were just alcoholics.Well they don't mean that. We sound
a little slow though, I willsay like the accent compared to like,
because I've been here for eleven yearsnow, so hearing Australians drop, they're
like a AI like they just soundlike they're getting Yeah, like everyone just

(01:09:41):
sounds like they're a little bit stonedor like anyway, love them. That
could be like l I feel likesome of my like la like girl friends
specifically kind of get that value.They like move here from the middle,
and then I went to the barand I'm like, yeah, what do
you do? Yeah, I triedthat on when I first got here.
On it's all fake. I meanQ Jackman or like any of those people

(01:10:02):
that have been here forever, they'restill Australian as and they talk in an
American accent for a living. Andhe still don't get anyone that has an
American accent it's from Australia is fakingit because they think it's cool. Sorry
you said you started started a podcastor like three episodes on my cell phone
on Spotify. I just like goon there and rant and it's fact.
It's it's uh yeah, it's calledjust a thought, just a thought,

(01:10:26):
just a thought, and I haven'tI don't have like are you like saying
that you're a thought? No,I wanted to just actually want you look
at Yeah he is literally that Iwanted to. But I also realized some
of the stuff I talk about withlike mental health or like if I'm gonna
have people, and I'm like,probably shouldn't have just a thought dropping in
with your muscles and then you talkabout whatever should maybe I should. I
shouldn't be taking pointers from y'all justa thought, like a male thought.

(01:10:47):
He's like kind of a himbo.Yeah, I wanted that, and I
was thinking, like doubt, nowmaybe I should shit himbo. Has anyone
used himbo for a podcast yet?Like it's like a male bimbo himbo?
Oh my god? No, okay, fine, oh god, you always
back down to reality. I don'tknow what I'm saying at this point.

(01:11:09):
That's great, that's hilarious. Okay, so how long have you look at
me? Yeah? With you know, whatever you got, what works?
You know you do that? Areyou are you planning on going an yet
on any other shows? Like yeah, I mean that's what you talk about
it? Or no? Or doyou not have any officially yet? I
don't. I well know, Ido have something. He's like many,

(01:11:36):
I have something for January coming up, and then you know, we're working
on other stuff, but just lotsof lots of different things. I'm actually
trying to get out of this likelittle reality bubble and do a little bit
more like talk showy stuff. Ohcool, Okay, it's not so heavily
like produced. Gotcha. That's ahonestly great, great way to kind of

(01:11:59):
just be of it. If you'rekind of sick of that ship like or
that bubble or whatever. That's awesome. I'm glad you're doing something so January
don't have the game shows. Thegame shows. I'm sorry you don't have
a date yet, a date forJanuary, a date like to Miami or
like yesterday. Oh okay, lovethat. I think I had some it
happens, I guess, but justso hopefully. I mean it could be

(01:12:26):
sooner, okay, but just gettingyou know, the cast and everything to
Oh that's sex, good for you. But I really do love the game
shows. I just can't do anywhereyou have to survive like that happen.
Yeah, you just be you,okay, just to you. Yeah that's
yeah. Maybe you. I don'tknow if it's going to be your like
you said, your own show.But I was like, yeah, maybe
you just need to have your ownshow. And I'm old about that,

(01:12:47):
yeah by myself. No, no, no, no, I'm saying you
just I think it should be likea brand show, like just different that
I haven't done before. That it'slike going to be less stressful. Okay.
You know what I mean is I'mhoping it's the drug scavenger Hunt that
we were talking. Yeah, shewould win exactly, you'd slay that.

(01:13:08):
I know. Like the sounds ofall my pills, what they are like
the little shakes in the bottles.Yeah, I know exactly what we put
in. That's hilarious, blind footon they have to shake the pillbottles,
which ones antibiotics? All that's hilarious. Well, Christian, thank you so
much for being here. How dowe find your own Instagram? It's just

(01:13:30):
at Christian Dilatory Underscore. It usedto be like a different one too,
so that's why a lot of peopleprobably just find me. It's shatter Band.
I don't know. It was VanLife. It was it was it
was Day Love and Life, soI got switched. But no, it's
Christian Life. Yeah, even knowyour name was Christian cap Show. I
know. I don't think. Idon't even think life. I was good.

(01:13:51):
I appreciate you having me though fora minute. I'm glad we got
to chat. It's like it's soexcited for all of you guys, like
the show's doing so well. Yeah, it's doing so definitely get something from
it. I appreciate I hope.I mean just because it's it's fun.
Like I'm definitely entertained by reality.I don't necessarily I think you're for it.
You will make sure you take careof yourself and have somebody looking at

(01:14:15):
and yeah, like do all thatstuff because it's you know, it's really
difficult appreciate if you just stag whereverthey put in front of you. See
I needed that advice a year ago. And well it's exciting when you like
you have this opportunity. Of courseyou're going to say, I'll do whatever.
But yeah, then you know whatwe talked about, you know what
you came away from it with,like, yeah, you're right, No,

(01:14:36):
you're right exactly. And but alsobig, I do want to give
a shout out to like all thecasting that got us, Aaron and Holly
and Jazzy and I forget the otherone other people involved, all the girls,
like all the girls so sweet girl. Yeah, if it wasn't for
them, I'll probably woun't be heretalking with you and stop. So where
would you get? I don't know. I mean I'd probably be in la

(01:14:56):
no fuck, not in jail,no no, all hopefully not jail.
Jesus, I'm just drinking, Butlike, why wouldn't you be here?
I'm saying, like on the showwith you, like I probably want to
met you. I probably would beon this podcast. I wouldn't be here,
don't see what you're saying. Yea, yeah, no, I'd still
be in LA. I'm just doingVan Live shit Van Live shit just out,
you know. I put a hashtagvan live shit on. It'll be
like live shit. I'm going todo one actually like and with a question

(01:15:24):
mark is this van live? Yeah, I'll try to keep up. Let's
let's get going. I do appreciateit. Yeah, let's do some photos,
yes, please? Wow? Wow, I knew less than I thought
that I even knew about Traders.But you know what I did discover is

(01:15:45):
he's way hotter in person. He'shot, right, I didn't I didn't
know that either. And now nowif you don't know, now you know.
Next came in half naked and likewith these crystal blue eyes, and
it was hard for me to notlike it. He was kind of charismatic
too. Yeah, I think it'sgood for a TV slat In his DMS
later, the respond you never know, he taking his pills, having a

(01:16:10):
moment. No, he was,he was good. I mean, I
have no idea what he was talkingabout. And also it sounds like a
lot of work this show. Ididn't know half of the ship he was
talking about. He's like, well, you know, in the rule book
and then this and this, andI'm like that's too deep for me.
Thank god I was gone. Hethrives on it, and that's why I
think he'll do well in the competitionshows like he definitely I think that he

(01:16:30):
would be great for like Survivor orlike any really anything, because he's he
is very much like good TV.And he looks good. Do we already
cover that he was naked? It'shard, like, I mean he wanted
us to look Okay, we're noteven being predatorial with He had his shirt
all the way opened, and hestomachs really flat. He obviously doesn't eat.

(01:16:54):
Yeah, yeah, he works outfuriously. I got that beard all
cute. Well, yeah, he'shot. We have him. Yes,
there you go, van Life welove you now. Hashtag van life hashtag
hashtag van Life, van life shit. Yeah, Van Life shit. Oh
you're just doing Van life shit.You know, I really believe him.

(01:17:14):
Yeah, I thought he'd lived ina van. I would like to live
in a van. Al Right,Okay, sorry, alright, bye,
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