March 26, 2025 • 62 mins
In this episode, Brandi sits down with Dr. David Clarke, a neuroplasticity expert with a background in psychology and gastroenterology. They explore the powerful link between stress, mental health, and physical symptoms, shedding light on how unresolved emotional issues can manifest in the body. Brandi shares her personal struggles with stress-induced angioedema, while Dr. Clarke provides insights on neuroplasticity and the importance of addressing past traumas for overall well-being.
Tune in for an enlightening conversation on the mind-body connection, self-care, and practical ways to manage stress-related health concerns.
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Tune in for an enlightening conversation on the mind-body connection, self-care, and practical ways to manage stress-related health concerns.
Learn more at Symptomatic.Me.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
From straw Hut Media, this.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Is Brandy Glanville.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
On the film right, how are you find what what?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
You have your dogs around you? Are they sitting with you?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
They're here, ones on the at the fireplace, and one
is probably ripping my carpet out. I'm not sure. I
have a puppy and an elder, which makes me think
I need to get another puppy.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Not right now.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh that's exactly what my son said. They were like, no, like,
but she needs someone to play with it. I can't
play ball all day every day, even though I do.
I can't get a cat much easier. I know there
I usually I have cats my whole life.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I love have an excuse used to like not leave
the house, you know yet a cat?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But what about or buddy? Well, I mean, ladies don't.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Be entertained by the cat so much.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Lady entertains the fuck out of me. She thinks she's
a baby. She wants to curl up and like she
wants she's the cutest thing on the in the world.
And then they have their fights, which are cute, and
then they have sixty nine times, which is super cute.
I mean, I don't. I want to turn it into
like a montage of all their sixty nines and then
send it to a home video place. But I don't
(01:31):
know if that's appropriate or not.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
No, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think we
need that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They would win if there was, Like, because animals do,
they do. People do the craziest things. Animals do the
crazy Yeah. No, So all right, I guess I want
guess what I did the other day. Well, I shot
a music video.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh my god, I heard all about this, Like I
think I saw some clips. Yeah, yeah, I saw you
posted some photos, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I didn't do, but maybe James did. But that's okay.
We can't really talk about it. But it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And he sent me the audio too. I heard it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, Oh did you love it?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I loved it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You love my part?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I did.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That's what I waited for. I waited for your pile.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No, they actual singer. She's great, They're great. I just
did my I'm a rapper, guys, I'm a rapper.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
When does it come out?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think in a couple of weeks. Actually, it's like
you're pretty much done, like and then they're like, hey,
do you want to do a little rap and like,
uh uh, I'm a rapper. And James was like, what
I'm doing? He is laying down some tracks. He's like,
I hope it's all like that. So he was walking
around doing that, like, oh, you're not even getting the
(02:49):
words right. But I had to be like either truly
had to be gaged or and like the other the
high voice girl all in one song and I.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Wrote it, Oh my god, yeah, and you were laying
down some wraps I know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And also I was laying down tracks that my kids
were Oh my god, they were so scared. Like Jake
was shaking his head and laughing in the car when
it came on. And then afterwards he goes not terrible.
He's like, it's pretty catchy.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And then Reason said this. He's like, wow, so much
better than your first one. I'm like, well, fuck you
and gown in my house.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Okay, god on this one yeah yeah yeah, but there's
a music video. There's a music video.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, and then you're gonna put me in your next movie.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, I'm working on it right now.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The author Stephen you talk to him about climate change
and what did.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I write with Stephen?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You gotta ask him, well, he should offer, he should offer. Yeah,
he's writing a screenplay right now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Hello. I feel like I could be a collab water.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You can be You can be written by Stephen Markley
and Brandy gle Well.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
At least I could be what do you call it
when somebody's like the what is it? When they're like
a not an advisor.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But like a not a consulting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I could be a consultant.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I'm trying to think.
I don't really know too much about it right now.
I think it's like going to be a thriller, like
a stalking kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I know all about it. Tell him to call me. Okay,
all right, let's structure park in here.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Who is doctor Clark? Do you know anything about him
right before we get him in?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, yeah, he's a he's an amazing doctor that reached
out and wanted to help me, and you know, after
reading about him, he's you know, an ex he studied psychology,
but then he was a gas entrologist. Can't say, but
he's now a neuroplasty which it's he's a brain doctor.
He fixes your brain and he fixes that, fixes your body.
So I'm to find out what's wrong with my brain.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yay, Hey everyone, and welcome to Brandy Glundelle. I'm filtered.
I'm here with doctor David Clark and he I'm not
sure did you reach out to us because of what
was going on with me or did we find you.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I think there was a little bit of both going on.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, good, I mean definitely could use all the help
that I can use. You know what I'm saying. And
I recently was reading actually so before that, so you
are you have a bachelor's in psychology and you are
a board certified gastro and trologist.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
When I was reading about you, how did those two
things kind of correlate into what you're doing now, which
was its neuroplastic.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, neuroplastic symptoms. I did not expect to be going
into this field. My first seven years of training. It
was all about organs and structures and how they caused
pain or illness, and the idea that your brain could
cause pain or illness in your body, things like migraines
or ringing in the ears, or dizziness or fibromyalgia, irritable bowel,
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chronic fatigue, long COVID pain in the spine, pain, pretty
much anywhere that your brain could do this when there's
nothing physically wrong with a person. That was a completely
foreign concept. But I met a patient in the eighth
year of my training who had a severe physical symptom
that nobody could explain, and I accidentally stumbled on the
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fact that she had been under severe stress as a
child and that played out into more stress when she
was an adult. When I met her, she was thirty seven,
and there was a psychiatrist at UCLA where I was
in training, who cured this patient in less than three
months just by talking to her. And that kind of
blew my mind that you could alleviate a serious physical
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condition just by talking to somebody by uncovering the stress
that was in their life, past or present. And I thought,
you know, if I want to be a complete doctor,
I should learn how to do this. So I had
Harriet teach me her framework, and I've been using it
ever since, successfully diagnosing and treating over seven thousand people
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who were in pain or had an illness with no
organ disease or structural damage to explain it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, so when I was reading about it. You know,
would they all say that your gut is your second
the body's second brain, And then you have a background
in psychology, so it actually does make sense that you
would combine the two, and I mean in a way,
combine them and figure out from there what is wrong.
And I took your quiz and I got a nine
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out of twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, you know, I was so
curious about your situation. And you know, obviously I can't
diagnose in the middle of a podcast, but there are
certainly some yellow flags about your situation, and so I
read Drinking and Tweeting just to find out more about you,
and I just absolutely loved it. It's not the kind
of book that I would normally pick up, to be honest,
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but it was, I thought, brilliant and hilarious. But what
really came across to me was how much you cared
about the people you were close to. I mean, all
the way through the book that came through and you know,
many of my patients there are connections to their personalities
like that that if you are so caring and so
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giving to others, it can make you more vulnerable to
stress than the average person.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Absolutely. My therapist is like, you are highly manipulatable, and
you care way too much about what everyone else is doing,
and you want to help everyone, but you're not helping yourself.
And that's just I've always been that way. I do
a lot for the people that I love, and you know,
sometimes I neglect myself.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, that's very common in my patients, and it often
can be traced back to growing up in a home
situation where there are things going on that they need
to pay attention to that maybe they need to be
focusing on their own personal safety to a certain extent,
and they need to be focusing on the needs of
others in their household, and they just get into that
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pattern where they are not putting themselves on the list
of people they take care of. And they of course
keep right on doing that as adults. But it turns
out it's an essential human skill to be able to,
on a regular basis tell the rest of the world
to just go take a hike and do something that
has no purpose but your own joy. And people who
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don't do that, sooner or later their body is going
to protest.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah. I find myself holding my breath a lot just
because of my anxiety. And I know, like my chiropractor friend,
he's like, your body is going into rig a mortis
because I'm so tight and like I find myself like
squeezing my butt cheeks. That sounds weird, but like when
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I'm driving because I'm so anxious about so many different things.
And I've read you know about you You're saying that
sometimes this happens after a traumatic event, and kind of
everything that you were you were saying, it happened to me.
So I did get a diagnosis that I just don't believe,
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and so I for two years continued to see every
doctor under the sun and spend my entire life savings.
They said it was stress induced angioedema, and I just
I feel like there's got to be more to it.
I I don't even know, like that's the only actual
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diagnosis I have. I'm waiting on some cultures to be
to come back that were recently taken, you know it
the biopses. But so far, I you know, I don't
have answers.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, well I can tell you, you know, we're not
going to do this today obviously, But when I see
my patients in private, I assess them for every source
of stress that could be contributing, and that means, you know,
stress in the present day. It means stresses or traumas
that might have triggered the illness in the first place.
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And occasionally those can be good stresses. I have had
patients who, for example, got into a mutually supportive relationship
where the giving and taking was balanced on both sides
for the first time in their lives. And that's obviously
a very good thing. But it can be a stress
just because of how different it is from the way
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they had been living in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They don't deserve it, so they're stress that it might
go away, or they're like they're not deserving of it.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, it's a kind of imposter syndrome exactly right. But
it also can trigger people looking back, and it can
arouse resentment. For you know, if I'm with this person
who's treating me well right now, then I didn't just
to be treated poorly in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, of course. I mean I think sometimes when you
give too much to people as well, EVENTU like sometimes
I always say, surround myself with some people that are takers,
and then ultimately I end up getting resentful because I'm
not appreciated enough or it's just not reciprocated, and then
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that obviously causes stress.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's a tremendously common thing in my practice. And the
good news is that I'm able to help people make
shifts in that, make changes in that so that going forward,
their stress level is going to be much lower, their
ability to take care of themselves, to put themselves on
the list of people they take care of, is going
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to be much greater. You know, if they're diagnosing you
with stress induced angioedema, you know, that kind of falls
into what I do is figuring out, Okay, what's the stress,
and let's address that, let's deal with that, Let's find
out all the different places that might be coming from,
and if we can bring that down, then there's a
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good chance we can make a difference. I have seen
the brain do some absolutely incredible things to the body.
Just a few examples. One of my patients was hospitalized
at one of the best universities in California sixty times
in fifteen years with no diagnosis, but by uncovering the
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stress that was connected to her attacks of dizziness and vomiting,
she was pretty much cure with a one hour conversation.
Another patient seventy nine years of abdominal pains, no diagnosis,
and she also was successfully treated. Another patient seventeen year
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old whom I was asked to see on his seventieth
day in the hospital for unexplained abdominal pain stretching back
eighteen months. He was getting morphine in massive doses intravenously
around the clock, and he had seen six other gastroentrologists
over that eighteen month period of time. That patient also
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successfully treated. So just profound what the brain can do
to the body. Another one of my patients, a young
man in his twenties, had a completely paralyzed stomach, not
his abdomen, but the organ of the stomach. It was
not emptying anything at all, and he of course came
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into the hospital, you know, throwing up. He couldn't keep
anything down. But again, once we uncovered what the stress
was in his life, helped him to successfully cope with
that problem went away.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Do you find yourself like second guessing some of the
diagnosis diagnosis diagnoses that you made in the past. Like
a lot of doctors, let me just say, I'm not
saying anything bad, but they throw they throw pills at you,
here's antibiotics go away.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean that's how I was trained is if
you've got pain or illness, there must be an organ
disease or structural damage to explain it. And you know,
we'll try to make your symptoms fit into that box
as best we can. But there's this whole other category
of brain generated symptoms in the body with you know,
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no physical abnormalities. Typically that is responsible for the pain
or ill in forty percent of people that go to
the doctor and twenty percent of the adult population, so
it's almost twice as many people with this as there
are diabetics. And unfortunately, very few places that are teaching
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how to diagnose and treat this. The medical school here
in Portland I've been teaching at for several years now,
so they're taking an enlightened approach to this, but unfortunately
most training programs around the country are not doing this.
Doctors are still just perseverating on organs and structures trying
to make their patient symptoms fit this and it doesn't,
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and so they're getting frustrated. They're beating their heads against
the wall. They're getting burned out by patients like this.
But when they learn how to diagnose and treat this.
They absolutely love it. On symptomatic dot me, which is
our website, we've got a number of courses for professionals.
There were some doctors that took this who were over
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on the East Coast, and I remember them because one
of them took me aside at a conference and said
that that course had put the joy back into her work,
because all of a sudden she could diagnose and treat
successfully at people she had no idea what to do
with before that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What if you can't what if you know where the
stress comes from? Bravo, fucking bravo. But you there's nothing
you can really do to change I mean, the stress
is going to continue to happen. Do you know what
I'm saying? What if I can't? What if I can't
cope with it?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's a good question, and you know, not everybody's
stress is something they can deal with right away. But
what I found very often is that it's not just
the stress you know about. It's not just the stress
that's in your life at the present time. It's how
it's interacting with the personality that you had before that
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stress happened, personality features that can stretch all the way
back to when a person was growing up and what
they were coping with at that time, and that there's
a synergy between the long term personality features and sometimes
unrecognized emotions that people bring into the present day, and
then you get a stress from the current period of
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time on top of that that just multiplies it. And
if we can understand all of those interactions, then it's
possible to deal with it more successfully.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I mean, do you have a lot of people saying, well,
this is a crap of crap I mean? Or do
you have a lot of naysayers? I mean, obviously you've
cured over seven thousand people. I believe in what you're saying.
But do you have people going, well, I mean so
much pain, I need my medication, you can't help me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I just heard. It was a colleague of mine
who does this work, who sent me a magazine article
in an email where two women who were researchers in
this They had PhDs and were doing science around this,
and they both were suffering from chronic fatigue. And one
of the comments that they made is this can't be
a mental problem. My symptoms are too severe. But it
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turns out that's absolutely not true. A brain to body
neuroplastic process can produce any level of symptoms in the body,
and until you realize that, there's going to be skepticism.
So I have to explain to people how powerful the
brain can be in producing these symptoms. Again, that young
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man with the paralyzed stomach, when I sent him down
for his test to we have a test that we
can measure how well the stomach is emptying, and they
called me from the X ray department where they were
doing the test, and they said, we've been scanning him
for two hours and nothing has moved. That was how
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powerful that young man's brain was, that it could actually
physically shut down his stomach. And you can get rashes
from this, you can be you know. Another one of
our patients was so fatigued that all she could do
was crawl from her bed to the bathroom and back.
For over a year. She was actually based in your
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area and as a feature film director, she made a
wonderful video for us, where we've got scientists, we've got clinicians,
we've got patients. It's only seven minutes long. It's on
Symptomatic dot Me and I think for people who are skeptical.
It'll go a long way toward persuading them of the
power of this.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah. And also I mean, I mean, you have nothing
to lose. I mean, if you're in this situation and
you can't find an answer, I will try anything. I mean,
that's the problem. I've gone to so many doctors and
spent so much money. I mean, because my insurance is
at Kaiser. They're not the best. I don't care if
they get mad at me my Kaiser portal. I yell
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at all of them all of the time. They don't care,
Like you're a doctor that seems to really care. And
a lot of these doctors they just don't give a
shit anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, I think doctors care. They want to help their patients.
You know those doctors that I talked about who took
the course on symptomatic not me, They really wanted to
help their patients. They just didn't know how. And it
also does take a little bit of time to have
the conversations you need to have to find out what's
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going on in people's lives. But once these doctors learned
how to do this, they were so enthusiastic. There were
just three of them that took the course initially, but
they were so enthusiastic about it afterwards they taught seventy
other doctors in their community how to do this over
the following year. So it's really not a question of caring.
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It's more about, you know, what do we do, how
do we help somebody who doesn't fit into the paradigms
we've been taught. And it's possible to learn this. I
learned it, you know all I was a psych major,
It's true, but I didn't have any more formal training
in psychology beyond that. It's really a question of using
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your humanity to understand what another person is coping with.
And when you do that, these things become clear. That
patient who was hospitalized at a prestigious university sixty times,
she was skeptical. I mean, she said, you know, doctor,
don't waste your time with me. I've already had every
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test I can think of. I've seen a dozen specialists.
They even as a psychiatrist talk to me. They don't
know what's wrong. They can't find anything wrong, which is
I use that for the title of my first book.
So you'd be better off seeing your other patients. But
I said, you know, give me half an hour, tell
me the story one more time, and we'll see what
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we can figure out. And it turned out that all
of these attacks she was having of dizziness and vomiting
were connected to interactions with her mother, either direct or indirect,
and her mother had been verbally and emotionally abusive towards
her since she was three or four years old. And
when I saw her, she was fifty oh, and it
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was still going on. Her mother was still mistreating her,
and nobody ever asked her about that. Even the university
psychiatrist didn't ask her about that because he didn't know
the kinds of things to look for in people who
are physically ill as opposed to having mental health struggles.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think also just getting it out and talking about
it and a lot of that, I mean, to someone
who genuinely seems interested is important. I think, you know,
I tend to bottle up a lot of things because
I don't want other people to worry about me, and
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so I use humor as a way to like be like, yeah,
it's fine, just going to be homeless in a week,
you know, like well blah, you know, to joke, but
literally that is it's just there is a realness to that.
But doctors, I will say the ones. Some of the
ones I've seen are great. Some of them I will
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send ahead. I will send all my medications I've won
all the doctors I've seen, like, I want them prepared
for my appointment because when I go in there, I'm
not going to have enough time to explain the past
two years of all of the different things that have happened.
And I've found that a lot of doctors, they come
in and you get maybe ten minutes maybe and it's
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just not enough time to explain everything, and then you
get a prescription and referral to a different doctor, you know.
And that's been kind of my situation. You know, I
have a friend who's a doctor, a plastic surgeon. He
reached out. He's been very helpful. He's you know, he
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actually took some cultures and biopsies because I was like, please,
someone just like cut my face open. That sounds horrible,
but I was just at that point. We don't have
the results back yet because it takes time for those
things to grow. But I really, even if it's the
worst answer, I would just like an answer, and if
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it is the stress and trauma that I experienced these
past two years with you know, the Bravo stuff and
then being labeled what I was labeled and not having
worked and because of it, it's just it has been.
It's an all day, every day stress. That's it. I mean,
it could very well be. I mean, it really does
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affect my days all day every day. So I mean,
I'll definitely speak with you outside of this, but I
just yeah, I mean, it could be. But I'm like
a lot of people where unless we talk about it
and I'm better, I'm going to be skeptical just because
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it sounds too good to be true.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, And a lot of my patients are initially skeptical,
and that's fine. All I ask is that they give
the approach a good try and they can continue to
do everything that they're doing with their other medical clinicians.
And that's fine too. There's no contradiction, there's no interference
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of one with the other. But it usually becomes fairly
clear to people fairly early on if this approach is
going to work. They're going to start seeing progress, They're
going to start noticing that it's making a difference for them.
They're also when they hear or have a full discussion
of all of the stresses past and present that may
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be playing a role in this. They're going to recognize themselves.
They're going to have some insights into what's going on
that makes sense to them that it's not only connected
to physical health, but to keeping your own concerns to yourself,
repressing emotions that you have about certain situations, being somebody
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that cares about everybody else in her world to the
exclusion of her own needs sometimes. Something else that you
mentioned in your book that caught my eye was that
you tend to be a control freak. I don't know
you personally, so I can't comment on that, but you
mentioned it in the book, and that's a characteristic that
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many of my patients have. They have been trying to
control their stress and the stressful things in their lives
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean it's it's hard. I kind of became
one in that going through my very traumatic divorce. I was,
you know, the mom and the dad, and I had
to to learn to do things I had never really
done before, and you know, run the household, do all
these things that I realized I could do. But then
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with that, I thought, no one can. I can never have.
I can never trust anyone to do this for me.
I have to do it myself. So now everything I
just would, I'm like, I'll just do it. Like hire
someone to do something. I'm like, oh, it's fine, I
got this. I'll just do it because it's not going
to be good enough. Like that's why I have such
a fear of flying, because I don't trust the pilots.
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It's so weird, but I have to look in the pilot.
I'm like, oh, my life is in your hands. How
is this possible? And that's why I take a samax.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, and that's entirely understandable. Well, you know this approach.
I think in order to have a complete medical evaluation
for symptoms like this where a physical cause is not
being found, it would make perfect sense to me to
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have an exploration of all the stresses past and present
and see if we can make sense for this. You know,
obviously not during a podcast, but I'd be happy to
meet with you in private where there's you know, nobody
else is listening, and you can share things that you
wouldn't necessarily share with anybody else, so that I can
(29:42):
try to understand all the underpinnings of this, and it
could be that at the end of that discussion we
find that it isn't helpful. I mean, that's I don't
have to acknowledge that as a possibility.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You're in a safe space, which is That's another thing.
I have trust issues. I don't try a lot of
people because I've been burned by so many people in
this business. So it's very hard for me to just
share my problems. I'm gonna overshare when it comes to like,
you know, fun stuff, but when it comes to like
(30:17):
like even it took me a year and like almost
a year and a half to finally let people know
what was happening with my face because I didn't want
their sympathy. I didn't want people to worry about me.
But I one night I was drinking and tweating. I tweated.
(30:38):
Somebody's like, Oh, you must be guilty. You don't leave
your house, you're not on social media. But I'm like,
I don't leave my house because this is happening to
my fucking face. Sorry, doctor Clark, I do CRUs and
this is what's going on with me. That's why you
I mean, after COVID, the last thing I want to
do is be on my couch again for two years.
(31:00):
So I finally just shared it. And now I feel
like I'm glad that I did because people like you,
you know, great doctors have reached out and I feel
very blessed. And I do talk to everyone that reaches out.
I try to have a conversation with them, but it's
almost like to point almost too many cooks in the
(31:20):
kitchen because my friends are like, yeah, but yesterday you
were excited because you thought you had an answer and
it was this, So I do I said, well, at
least I'm still positive, you know, because I do want.
I do get excited. You know, if I think it's
I think it's something new every other day, because you know,
(31:40):
something my doctor will tell me. Maybe it's this. You know,
I went to the chiropractor. He's like, the left side
of your neck is you know, it's really MESSI weated,
like all of these scans and it's like pushing on
my brain and like, I'll show you the scans. But
I'm like, yo, maybe it's just that, maybe I need
adjustments and you know, but you know, two days before that,
I thought it was something else because I saw talk
(32:02):
to her. But I'm just so desperate for an answer.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, well, that's why we have that twelve question quiz
on symptomatic dot me to help people get some insight
into whether this approach could have some value for them.
And the more questions to which people answer yes, the
more likely that the resources on the website are going
to be helpful or that, you know, an evaluation for
(32:31):
past and present stresses could lead to some answers. And
if you had nine yeses out of twelve, that's pretty significant.
But you know, I can also understand, you know, the
trust issues. You don't know me, you've never seen me before.
I never talk about, you know, other celebrity patients that
(32:52):
I've worked with. I don't even tell my wife, and
you know, we've been married for almost forty eight years.
She does not even know who I've talk to, let
alone know what we said.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So I would divorce you if you tell me.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I am well sorry, we wouldn't last long. But I
am very strict on confidentiality. You know, I tell my
wife everything pretty much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But that is you know, I mean, I am very
trusting and you seem like a good like. You seem
trusting to me, But there are some people that just
want to go and talk to the media about me
and not actually helped me, just get their name out there,
and I I I.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Would sooner burn my license than do that.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I can tell. I can tell. I mean, I looked
you up, I know everything about your I'm a stalker
and kidding, I'm not. I did want to kind of
touch on one thing that a lot of my doctor
(34:00):
said maybe it's the COVID vaccine, and I read you
said something about long COVID, Like, what is your take
on that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, long COVID has been blamed for post to two
hundred different symptoms, and there just aren't many biological diseases
that can create that many different symptoms. But a neuroplastic symptom,
a neuroplastic process, brain to body process can go anywhere
(34:32):
and produce almost anything. And it's actually the norm for
there to be more than one symptom at a time
and for symptoms to move from place to place, or
symptoms to go away in one part of the body
and show up in a different part. One of the
little yellow flags in your case that popped up in
(34:54):
your book was that you mentioned you'd had interstitial cystidis
at some time in the past and you had the
face picking issue at some time in the past. Both
of those are very often brained to body conditions, so
it's almost like your brain has already demonstrated that it
can do this kind of thing in the past, So
(35:15):
that to me was another little indicator that this is
at least worth exploring.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, no, I absolutely, like I don't. My inner socle
societies was so severe. I was getting cathgorized every week
and getting medication and put it in my bladder. For
those that don't know, it's basically an ulcer in your
bladder and it just feels like you have a blatter infection.
There's burning at all times. It is miserable. I had
(35:42):
it for many years and I don't know how, but
after my divorce, it just I think the focus of
my stress changed to hatred and bunny revenge, so I
was no longer so worried about, you know, my my
(36:04):
ailment and it. And by the way, when I was pregnant,
it did seem to heal that. I don't know if
like I was growing a baby in my body, so
it like kind of healed a lot of things for me.
But that helped. And then the divorce, like the switching
of focus. Like I always say, hocus pocus, change your
(36:25):
focus when to myself and to my friends when we're
like when I go down a rabbit hole, I'm like, Okay,
I'm in a bad mood. I'm like, but it's the
beginning of today and it's nice. I'm gonna change my focus.
I'm very self aware, but you know, it's it's hard
not to slowly shift back to like little triggers will
(36:48):
be like some things like we'll get a text from
you know, a housewife and we like her, but it
just triggers that Morocco trip that ruined her life, and
then you're back to the darkness.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I forgotten something here, Yes, because you ever since I've
known you, have like been able to quickly go down
rabbit holes, you know, like quickly, obviously, like it's gotten
a little worse since all of these incidents, but like
I feel like you've always been that way.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, No, I mean I have. That's why when I
met my friend Mark, he's like, Okay, we don't stay there,
Like that's my thing. They're rabbit holes all over my yard,
but I don't stay in them anymore. This one I've
stayed in for two years. But because it affects my
look and every time my looks and every time I
look in the mirror, I'm reminded of it. I feel
(37:46):
like it's just so difficult not to think about, Like
you capt yourself in the car looking at the room
of your mirror or you you know, you're walking up
your car, and which is the worst the reflection in
the window, and I look like I'm one hundred and
fifty years old all of a sudden, and it's hard
not to them start thinking about that again when you
(38:06):
catch glimpses of yourself.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Well, it's interesting that the interstitial cystidis got better after
a mental shift, and that's that's been my experience with
that particular condition, is that there's a huge contribution from
brain to body processes. And you know, the face picking
(38:29):
issue as well is a measure of a very powerful
mental force going on that was creating that situation.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, I'm aware I was picking at nothing, but
I was picking. It was just like my go to.
It was like I was ment what do you call it,
mutilating my self? Mutilization in a way, just to have
pain and blood and not think about my emotional pain.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, and That's what I've observed in my other patients
that have had similar issues, is that they're they've gotten
so good at burying their emotions that they're not feeling
much of anything at all, and feeling the pain is
a way to feel something and it provides relief. It's
a form of self treatment. It's not something to be
(39:19):
ashamed of. It's somebody who's under a tremendous amount of
pressure and is finding a way to alleviate that. My
patients with this condition are very strong people. They are
just like Olympic weightlifters who are trying to carry fifty
pounds more than the world record for their weight class
(39:40):
on their shoulders, and anybody's body is going to break
down under that kind of strain.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I was wondering, like I was
almost not going to share it, and then I'm like,
I need to share this because there's people, there's people
out there that are going to get it. I mean
some people are going to be like, oh what the hell,
But I'm like, you know what, I'm going to share everything,
the good, the bad, the ugly, you know, try to
be humorous throughout as well, because I didn't want it
(40:09):
to be like a book about want, Want, Want, for
me to also show that I'm a fighter and that
there was, you know, a somewhat of a happy ending,
and there is life after divorce, and you will go
through some of the most terrible things you know that
people can go through. Not always, but it does happen
(40:30):
more times than not with the people that I know. Anyway,
you know, divorce brings out the worst in so many people.
But you've been married for forty eight years, so you
don't have to worry about that. But my parents have
been married for for fifty years, so they don't have
to worry about that. But my dad is a nightmare.
So I'm pretty sure my mom has some She gardens
(40:52):
a lot. I'm like, just keep that knife post in
case you have to give him a job. I'm kidding,
I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
He's a good.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
But you know, I forgot where I was going with
this again. I feel like I'm just in my head
right now thinking about all of this.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well, I mean, that was something else that struck me
about your book is just the sheer courage and determination
you had, and now with your going public with this
changes in your face is again a measure of how
courageous you are and how much you care about other people.
I mean, there's there are going to be you know,
(41:29):
you have so many followers, there are going to be
hundreds of thousands of them that are struggling with very
similar issues, and they're going to be listening to this
and learning things that unfortunately they haven't heard from the
medical profession that are going to.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Help them' that's my goal. I mean, we get so
many emails from people going through similar situations. So anything
that I try, or I do, or I talk to,
I share it because even if it doesn't work for me,
I'm letting them know that I tried this and I
tried that, because not everyone, you know, can afford listen.
I can't afford it either, But I'm like, I'm happy
(42:05):
to be the guinea pig and just keep people motivated
to try, keep trying to find answers because honestly, it's
very hard on your mental health. And you know, there's
been some very dark thoughts with me and with these
people that have reached out to me, and that is
(42:26):
the last thing that I want to happen to anyone,
you know, with anything I don't, you know, So I
want to share, and I want to be vulnerable and
I want to share the good, bad, the ugly, and
I want to help people figure out how they can
help themselves. So you guys, go take this quiz. Hopefully
you won't get nine out of twelve like I did,
(42:46):
but maybe maybe hopefully you will, so then you know
that there's there's work to be done and it's not
necessarily just you need pills or surgery or anything like that.
Maybe you can maybe you can figure this out. Because
as Ryan and I always say, it was something we
always say, our brain is so powerful. I'm like, I'm like,
(43:08):
we can do it. If we say it, we can
do it, and we think it, we can do it.
And last night I was laying in by with like
my lights on my face and the other again last
weekend as well because I had to work and I
was like, how am I going to work with my
face like this? So I thought about it all. I
was stressed about all this. So I'm like, yeah, I'm
getting better. And my son was making fun of me.
(43:28):
He's like, you are lying to yourself. I'm like i am,
but I'm trying to I'm trying to like manifest that
I'm going to be better by tomorrow, so that when
we got to shoot to some music video, I don't
look the way I look right now. So I was
trying to trick myself. But I knew I was trying
to trick myself, so I didn't work.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
One other resource I should point you to and your
listeners as well as I just started my own podcast
last month. It's called The Story Behind the Symptoms, and
it consists of me interviewing patients and going into a
fair amount of depth. You know, not every last detail
(44:10):
that I would do in my office, but people have
been very generous in sharing about their lives and the
issues that have led to them being ill. That the
first person I interviewed had been ill for thirty years
and made a complete recovery. The second one had been
ill for half her life and she was nearly thirty
and she made a full recovery, and we talk about
(44:32):
how that recovery happened and the kinds of issues that
we need to understand for people to make progress. So
that would be another resource for anybody for whom these
ideas resonate. Anybody who's got a high score on that
quiz would be I think learn a lot from that podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, you guys listen to this podcast. Honestly, if you know,
there's things that I'm going to share with you, doctor
that I pretty much share most things that I don't
want to share everything.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No, there there are lines that all, but come on, no,
never want you to cross.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Things like that. No one needs to know. No real
big secrets. Guys, don't worry. You know, I'm an open
book in general, but just with my mental health and
things that. Yeah, but you guys don't get to know. Well,
thank you so much, doctor Clark. Let's let's figure out
a time that we can talk. I would love to
(45:33):
continue this conversation if you have If you have the
time for me.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, absolutely, I've got pretty good availability next week. This
week and last week not so much. But next week, yeah,
reach out. We'll say I.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Have nothing to do except for think about everything that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Okay, we will set up a zoom and we will
do the full on uh exploration of this and see
what we come up with. And I think there's a
good chance that we will come up with things that
will be helpful to you. And it's absolutely worth a try.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, you know what it is that's the whole thing.
It really is everything you guys do everything. I just
you know, when people with chronic pain or you know,
a lot of them get addicted to these pain pills
and all of these things, and thank god, I'm allergic
to pain pills. I'm actually not even in pain. I
just look crazy, and there are there are some pain sometimes,
but it's not like I would rather almost be in pain,
(46:31):
look like on one hundred and fifty years old. But
that's just the you know, I grew up modeling and
be on TV, so of course I'm worried about the
way look. But I always just to tell my kids
because they would. We had this one house where there
was the whole wall was mirrored and they would walk
by it. And they're very handsome boys, but they would
every time stop and be like and check themselves out
(46:54):
and make like post faces. I'm like, you guys look
stayed like, get over yourself. They go away at some point,
but of course it happens to me. I'm like, why
I know they fade, I'm already old wires is happening.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah. Well, I remember one other detail about your case
that I think I heard described, which was that you
felt like something was moving underneath the skin of your face.
And it turns out there are, depending on how you
count them, between twenty and forty three muscles in the face,
(47:30):
each of which can either relax or contract, and every
single one of them is controlled by the brain. So
depending on what they're doing at any given moment, they
could definitely cause a distortion or cause a feeling like
there's something going on underneath the skin. So to me,
(47:51):
that was at least another little clue in this direction.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, I mean, because I had videos, I'm like, it's
over here. Oh no, I went to the other side
of my face. Now, well, that's why I was like,
it felt like there was something alive because it was
the lump and the I don't even know what it is.
It would just move. It was above my lip and
then it goes over to the left side of my
like my nasal fold, labial fold. Then it would just
(48:15):
it was just.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I don't symptoms. That move is one of the characteristics
of a neuroplastic process or a neuroplastic symptom. So again,
you know, can't diagnose on a podcast, but it's a
little extra clue that we may be onto something.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well, doctor Klirk. I look forward to speaking to you, Rice,
Thank you so much for being here. Visit his website.
Tell us where they can visit you and how they
can listen to your podcast.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, symptomatic dot me, s y mptomatic dot me, and
the podcast is the story behind the symptoms and there
are lots and lots of resources there. And start with
the twelve question quiz and see where you come out
on that. Uh, and then you can go from there.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Absolutely. And so now you have my email because you
put your well, I put my email in it at
the end, and I have your email too, so we
can contact each other and we'll set up a time
for next week. And I really do look forward to
talking with you. And hopefully this can help you guys too.
I want I want everyone to be able to figure
out what's wrong with them. It's not it's not fun
(49:24):
to be to be in our situations, guys, So let's
fake ourselves.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Thank you, Brandy. You're going to be helping a lot
of people. And I'm very grateful.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah, you like him?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I do you know what he's he has this this
this aura or something about him that it makes you
feel safe.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, It was nice to hear you opening up. It
felt like it felt like therapy session was happening in
front of my eyes, well yours?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well yeah, I mean, well what I mean, what else
were I you know, after reading about him? And of
course I want everyone. I want everyone to get fixed.
You know, if this can work, I will try it, honestly,
like I have, as you know, so much fucking stress
in my life, financial stress.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
That it's all connected. It makes sense, you know, it does,
it does?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Bravo, Bravo, fucking bravo.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, so it's it's you know, it's always on my mind.
And so that would and then if I walk in
front the mirror and I see that I look crazy?
How and then that's on my mind. So the two
go hand in hand. And it did all start right
after Morocco?
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, no, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well, my life literally exploded.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
Yes, yeah, it did.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I did it, And oh my god, I wish my
dogs would explode. It is its fucking buddy and lady
step it. There's no one even here.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
They're trying to protect you.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah. Well I don't need I don't need it to Walt.
Well he does. It's actually nice. They probably want to
go for w A LKA. How have you been right?
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
I know, it's been so long. I've been good, Mags,
and I want to have a child. Still that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, that's good because that was only two weeks ago
that you told me you wanted to have one, So
you're still in the same right.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
I've been talking about it for like two years, I know.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But you didn't. We just talking about it two weeks ago. Really, okay,
one you will have one, and then when you go
on your vacation, your first vie hasion will be.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Like, oh fuck, I wish I didn't do this hard?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Why did we want this so bad? You'll you'll be
very happy and you it will happen. You know, it's stressful,
it's hard. Just you know, let it out, Ryan, I
mean your sperm.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
I'm doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
I like seeing all this content with you and James.
How's that been going. That's been really fun to see
you know, on the instagrams and stuff you guys go
into like hotels or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I don't know, I don't know what it's Actually it's
great because James it's been the one person that's gotten
me out of the house. I haven't because he'll be like,
I got the hotel and I paid for it, so
you and then I felt bad. I'm like, I can't flake.
But it's been fun, like we just have fun and
James is he's wild and hilarious and we have to
(52:44):
sleep in a bed together. But it's a king, right, Yeah, No,
it was a king for sure. No, I don't even mind.
It's just his dog was on me. But I was like, listen,
if I had to pick between James nine I was dog,
I would pick me too. I'm kidding. Moo loves he
loves moo. He's obsessed with his dog.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
He is upset Moo Moo.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I'm like, if you, if you say his name or
her name one more time, I'm done. There's got to
be something else we can talk about. We actually have
some really fun stuff coming up tomorrow and.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, thinks, can you tell me about it? Or no?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I will tell you when James tells me. No. I
don't know where we're going or what we're doing, but
we do have what I know what we're doing. We
have some fun ideas of things to talk about. That
don't have Bravo in the title.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, Well, I was just gonna say this. Yeah, I
was told by a very high up producer. Okay, right
after all of this nonsense, after Caroline doctor lawsuit, all
this stuff was going on, I was like, I go
to work, and this producer supposedly was my friend. Yeah,
he goes, I think you can. You can be pretty
(54:07):
sure you're never gonna work for you know, Bravo, NBC
Universal again. Yeah me, I'm like, what did I do?
The Caroline's the one fucking suing you. But okay, so
I don't really have a I have to sue you now.
And it's not even just that it's a Warner Brothers too.
So because it's the Warner Brothers, I've read lest that
that's everyone.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
Wait, but Warner Brothers is totally different than NBC. I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Because Warner Brothers bought NBC, Peacock Universal. They Warner Brothers owned.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
To all of it.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
So now everything like they're like, I'll be watching something
and it'll come up with all of the channels that's
under that or under their umbrella, and I'm like, can't
work for them can't work for them, can't work for them.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
It's just like, are you sure I thought Warner and
in Universal we're separated.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
That's me. I did some homework. I promise you.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
I'm gonna talk him I because I'm.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Well, that's why they're involved in the lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
It's like you do podcasts with Universal, literally, but I
want to ask them because I'm like, I didn't know.
I thought Warner was so separate anyway, very core.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
It's a kind of glomorate monopoly, and I cannot play
monopoly anymore. I must not.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Pass go on.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
I'm in. Yeah, yeah, it's the only y all right.
On that note, h If you're not them.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Well, thank you to everybody that keeps sending in messages Brandy.
I'm just forwarding them onto you. Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
There's a lot of long ones. I mean, I I
just I had two hundred forty six emails today and
I have such anxiety that I hadn't checked them for
two days because there's like financial shit happening that I
just don't even want to know the answer to. Dealing
with stuff with Jake. You know, his graduations coming up,
and he's e credits, Like the kid is so healthy,
(56:01):
works out with the trainer every day. He like pe really,
but I'm like, literally, I want to fucking murder these people.
And he's he's a transfer student and they didn't require
him to have pe at ser king and although he
was on the basketball team. So fuck I'm I'm dealing
with trying Ryan.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
Not too confusing. That is confusing.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yes, I'm not losing my shit because if I lose
my shit on these people, it will be retroactive. Is
that the right word.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah, well it's added stress that clearly you don't need.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Okay, but I need my kid to graduate. So you know,
Eddie's like, take it away, Brandy back. So I'm you know,
I went into the office, I had a meeting, and
I'm trying to not lose my temper. But you know,
sometimes it's difficult when someone's saying something that doesn't make sense.
But everyone's been very nice. I just I don't understand
(56:56):
why we're finding out about this. Yeah, halfway through this semester.
This should to us at the beginning of this transferred.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
It should have been telebody transferred.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Or even just at the beginning of this semester, so
they weren't going to be saying okay, you have to go. Yeah,
we're going to pull you out of your academic classes.
But two hours of pe the kid, he's like a
male specimen. He's like perfect, he's perfect.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
I haven't seen either of them in my God, they're perfect.
How many years? Like what a year and a half?
Two years? How long you.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Even't been to this house? Shut? And I've been here
a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, I dropped off a microphone a long time ago.
But that so I saw the front of your You're
going to have.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
To come because none of the other things. This thing
works that we on your dumb river side.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, I know we need to trade. I want that
stuff back because I have.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
It all back.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
I have it all in one spot.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Now. I'll do it because I want to see if
I can get it to work, you know, and then
I'll give you something. I have it right here, I'll
give it to you. It's very simple USB mic that
does work.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
I keep hearing that.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
Okay, just shut up, all right?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
What else anything new like that's exciting? I mean, James
and I are going to talk about all the bullshit tomorrow.
But this, I really hope that all of the people
that are reaching out to me with you know, simpolar symptoms.
Maybe they can reach out to you know, doctor Clerk
as well. He seems like he's really eager to help,
and clearly he's a medical doctor. And that's my thing. Listen,
(58:38):
this could be the perfect storm of a medical problem,
a psychological problem and you know something. You know, maybe
maybe it's a dential issue, but I do think that
there's a component of it that is stress induced. And
I think stress causes cancer. That's what I have to say.
Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, well, I think it definitely does. I think there's
been studies to prove that. But you know what I
liked about him the most. You know, he's an older doctor,
right and he I feel like what is clearly coming
across is that he really does care, which is what
she said, and.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
He believes a lot of other doctors care. But he's
only around doctors that want to learn more. That means
they care. But there are doctors that don't want to
learn more.
Speaker 4 (59:24):
Because it's not part of the well, yes, because it's
not part of their training. You know, they go to
school for like seven years, they have to do a residency,
but none of this stuff relating to the brain has
anything to do with the training that they do for
whatever specific field they go into, you know, which is
what's so wild.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Work they're training and the fact that he at an
older age, was able to to shift and change and
be accepting and learning.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
Exactly and that's why. And he's secularly passionate about it
and excited about it so much so that he wants
to continue teaching people and start a podcast. That's what's
like crazy, is that like if I was that age,
you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
He don't make shange him and I.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
If I wasn't passionate about it, I wouldn't have I
wouldn't start a podcast, you know, like I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He's help me, that's helping. He's getting his message out
to the masses because there's a lot of people that
haven't heard about this.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah, you know, I this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
If I wasn't growing through this, I don't think that
we would have him on my podcast better fully, but
this is it's a it's a new audience for him.
And I hope that, you know, everyone that's reaching out
to me with their symptoms can try this, you know,
because maybe maybe it's a part of it, at least
if it's not the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I think I think so, I think so and
and and that's hard to come to terms with that,
you know, but uh, I do think it's it's got
to be related, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I mean I think everyone and much like myself,
I want a diagnosis. I want an answer. But sometimes
the answer isn't as clear as a doctor saying like
you have ABC. Yeah, it's more talking it out, figuring
it out, seeing how you feel, if you can breathe.
(01:01:13):
I don't breathe. I realized, by the way, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
That's a huge problem, Brandy. You should breathe. That's how
we survive.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I know, so crazy. I have to leave you out
because I'm going to the chiropractor and that's helping me too.
Everyone's helping me. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Well, the chiropractor probably relaxes you, which is what you need.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Does not relax me, I'll tell you that. But I
love a good crack.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Thanks for listening to Brandy Glanville Unfiltered.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
From straw Hut Media, this.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Is Brandy Glanville.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
On the film right, how are you find what what?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
You have your dogs around you? Are they sitting with you?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
They're here, ones on the at the fireplace, and one
is probably ripping my carpet out. I'm not sure. I
have a puppy and an elder, which makes me think
I need to get another puppy.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Not right now.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh that's exactly what my son said. They were like, no, like,
but she needs someone to play with it. I can't
play ball all day every day, even though I do.
I can't get a cat much easier. I know there
I usually I have cats my whole life.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I love have an excuse used to like not leave
the house, you know yet a cat?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
But what about or buddy? Well, I mean, ladies don't.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Be entertained by the cat so much.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Lady entertains the fuck out of me. She thinks she's
a baby. She wants to curl up and like she
wants she's the cutest thing on the in the world.
And then they have their fights, which are cute, and
then they have sixty nine times, which is super cute.
I mean, I don't. I want to turn it into
like a montage of all their sixty nines and then
send it to a home video place. But I don't
(01:31):
know if that's appropriate or not.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
No, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think we
need that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They would win if there was, Like, because animals do,
they do. People do the craziest things. Animals do the
crazy Yeah. No, So all right, I guess I want
guess what I did the other day. Well, I shot
a music video.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh my god, I heard all about this, Like I
think I saw some clips. Yeah, yeah, I saw you
posted some photos, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I didn't do, but maybe James did. But that's okay.
We can't really talk about it. But it was really fun.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And he sent me the audio too. I heard it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, Oh did you love it?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I loved it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You love my part?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I did.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That's what I waited for. I waited for your pile.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No, they actual singer. She's great, They're great. I just
did my I'm a rapper, guys, I'm a rapper.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
When does it come out?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think in a couple of weeks. Actually, it's like
you're pretty much done, like and then they're like, hey,
do you want to do a little rap and like,
uh uh, I'm a rapper. And James was like, what
I'm doing? He is laying down some tracks. He's like,
I hope it's all like that. So he was walking
around doing that, like, oh, you're not even getting the
(02:49):
words right. But I had to be like either truly
had to be gaged or and like the other the
high voice girl all in one song and I.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Wrote it, Oh my god, yeah, and you were laying
down some wraps I know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And also I was laying down tracks that my kids
were Oh my god, they were so scared. Like Jake
was shaking his head and laughing in the car when
it came on. And then afterwards he goes not terrible.
He's like, it's pretty catchy.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And then Reason said this. He's like, wow, so much
better than your first one. I'm like, well, fuck you
and gown in my house.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Okay, god on this one yeah yeah yeah, but there's
a music video. There's a music video.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, and then you're gonna put me in your next movie.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, I'm working on it right now.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
The author Stephen you talk to him about climate change
and what did.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I write with Stephen?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You gotta ask him, well, he should offer, he should offer. Yeah,
he's writing a screenplay right now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Hello. I feel like I could be a collab water.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You can be You can be written by Stephen Markley
and Brandy gle Well.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
At least I could be what do you call it
when somebody's like the what is it? When they're like
a not an advisor.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But like a not a consulting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I could be a consultant.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I'm trying to think.
I don't really know too much about it right now.
I think it's like going to be a thriller, like
a stalking kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I know all about it. Tell him to call me. Okay,
all right, let's structure park in here.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Who is doctor Clark? Do you know anything about him
right before we get him in?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, yeah, he's a he's an amazing doctor that reached
out and wanted to help me, and you know, after
reading about him, he's you know, an ex he studied psychology,
but then he was a gas entrologist. Can't say, but
he's now a neuroplasty which it's he's a brain doctor.
He fixes your brain and he fixes that, fixes your body.
So I'm to find out what's wrong with my brain.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yay, Hey everyone, and welcome to Brandy Glundelle. I'm filtered.
I'm here with doctor David Clark and he I'm not
sure did you reach out to us because of what
was going on with me or did we find you.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I think there was a little bit of both going on.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, good, I mean definitely could use all the help
that I can use. You know what I'm saying. And
I recently was reading actually so before that, so you
are you have a bachelor's in psychology and you are
a board certified gastro and trologist.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
When I was reading about you, how did those two
things kind of correlate into what you're doing now, which
was its neuroplastic.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, neuroplastic symptoms. I did not expect to be going
into this field. My first seven years of training. It
was all about organs and structures and how they caused
pain or illness, and the idea that your brain could
cause pain or illness in your body, things like migraines
or ringing in the ears, or dizziness or fibromyalgia, irritable bowel,
(06:16):
chronic fatigue, long COVID pain in the spine, pain, pretty
much anywhere that your brain could do this when there's
nothing physically wrong with a person. That was a completely
foreign concept. But I met a patient in the eighth
year of my training who had a severe physical symptom
that nobody could explain, and I accidentally stumbled on the
(06:39):
fact that she had been under severe stress as a
child and that played out into more stress when she
was an adult. When I met her, she was thirty seven,
and there was a psychiatrist at UCLA where I was
in training, who cured this patient in less than three
months just by talking to her. And that kind of
blew my mind that you could alleviate a serious physical
(07:01):
condition just by talking to somebody by uncovering the stress
that was in their life, past or present. And I thought,
you know, if I want to be a complete doctor,
I should learn how to do this. So I had
Harriet teach me her framework, and I've been using it
ever since, successfully diagnosing and treating over seven thousand people
(07:23):
who were in pain or had an illness with no
organ disease or structural damage to explain it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, so when I was reading about it. You know,
would they all say that your gut is your second
the body's second brain, And then you have a background
in psychology, so it actually does make sense that you
would combine the two, and I mean in a way,
combine them and figure out from there what is wrong.
And I took your quiz and I got a nine
(07:50):
out of twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, you know, I was so
curious about your situation. And you know, obviously I can't
diagnose in the middle of a podcast, but there are
certainly some yellow flags about your situation, and so I
read Drinking and Tweeting just to find out more about you,
and I just absolutely loved it. It's not the kind
of book that I would normally pick up, to be honest,
(08:14):
but it was, I thought, brilliant and hilarious. But what
really came across to me was how much you cared
about the people you were close to. I mean, all
the way through the book that came through and you know,
many of my patients there are connections to their personalities
like that that if you are so caring and so
(08:36):
giving to others, it can make you more vulnerable to
stress than the average person.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Absolutely. My therapist is like, you are highly manipulatable, and
you care way too much about what everyone else is doing,
and you want to help everyone, but you're not helping yourself.
And that's just I've always been that way. I do
a lot for the people that I love, and you know,
sometimes I neglect myself.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, that's very common in my patients, and it often
can be traced back to growing up in a home
situation where there are things going on that they need
to pay attention to that maybe they need to be
focusing on their own personal safety to a certain extent,
and they need to be focusing on the needs of
others in their household, and they just get into that
(09:24):
pattern where they are not putting themselves on the list
of people they take care of. And they of course
keep right on doing that as adults. But it turns
out it's an essential human skill to be able to,
on a regular basis tell the rest of the world
to just go take a hike and do something that
has no purpose but your own joy. And people who
(09:47):
don't do that, sooner or later their body is going
to protest.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah. I find myself holding my breath a lot just
because of my anxiety. And I know, like my chiropractor friend,
he's like, your body is going into rig a mortis
because I'm so tight and like I find myself like
squeezing my butt cheeks. That sounds weird, but like when
(10:12):
I'm driving because I'm so anxious about so many different things.
And I've read you know about you You're saying that
sometimes this happens after a traumatic event, and kind of
everything that you were you were saying, it happened to me.
So I did get a diagnosis that I just don't believe,
(10:35):
and so I for two years continued to see every
doctor under the sun and spend my entire life savings.
They said it was stress induced angioedema, and I just
I feel like there's got to be more to it.
I I don't even know, like that's the only actual
(10:59):
diagnosis I have. I'm waiting on some cultures to be
to come back that were recently taken, you know it
the biopses. But so far, I you know, I don't
have answers.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, well I can tell you, you know, we're not
going to do this today obviously, But when I see
my patients in private, I assess them for every source
of stress that could be contributing, and that means, you know,
stress in the present day. It means stresses or traumas
that might have triggered the illness in the first place.
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And occasionally those can be good stresses. I have had
patients who, for example, got into a mutually supportive relationship
where the giving and taking was balanced on both sides
for the first time in their lives. And that's obviously
a very good thing. But it can be a stress
just because of how different it is from the way
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they had been living in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They don't deserve it, so they're stress that it might
go away, or they're like they're not deserving of it.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, it's a kind of imposter syndrome exactly right. But
it also can trigger people looking back, and it can
arouse resentment. For you know, if I'm with this person
who's treating me well right now, then I didn't just
to be treated poorly in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, of course. I mean I think sometimes when you
give too much to people as well, EVENTU like sometimes
I always say, surround myself with some people that are takers,
and then ultimately I end up getting resentful because I'm
not appreciated enough or it's just not reciprocated, and then
(12:47):
that obviously causes stress.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's a tremendously common thing in my practice. And the
good news is that I'm able to help people make
shifts in that, make changes in that so that going forward,
their stress level is going to be much lower, their
ability to take care of themselves, to put themselves on
the list of people they take care of, is going
(13:10):
to be much greater. You know, if they're diagnosing you
with stress induced angioedema, you know, that kind of falls
into what I do is figuring out, Okay, what's the stress,
and let's address that, let's deal with that, Let's find
out all the different places that might be coming from,
and if we can bring that down, then there's a
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good chance we can make a difference. I have seen
the brain do some absolutely incredible things to the body.
Just a few examples. One of my patients was hospitalized
at one of the best universities in California sixty times
in fifteen years with no diagnosis, but by uncovering the
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stress that was connected to her attacks of dizziness and vomiting,
she was pretty much cure with a one hour conversation.
Another patient seventy nine years of abdominal pains, no diagnosis,
and she also was successfully treated. Another patient seventeen year
(14:15):
old whom I was asked to see on his seventieth
day in the hospital for unexplained abdominal pain stretching back
eighteen months. He was getting morphine in massive doses intravenously
around the clock, and he had seen six other gastroentrologists
over that eighteen month period of time. That patient also
(14:39):
successfully treated. So just profound what the brain can do
to the body. Another one of my patients, a young
man in his twenties, had a completely paralyzed stomach, not
his abdomen, but the organ of the stomach. It was
not emptying anything at all, and he of course came
(15:00):
into the hospital, you know, throwing up. He couldn't keep
anything down. But again, once we uncovered what the stress
was in his life, helped him to successfully cope with
that problem went away.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Do you find yourself like second guessing some of the
diagnosis diagnosis diagnoses that you made in the past. Like
a lot of doctors, let me just say, I'm not
saying anything bad, but they throw they throw pills at you,
here's antibiotics go away.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean that's how I was trained is if
you've got pain or illness, there must be an organ
disease or structural damage to explain it. And you know,
we'll try to make your symptoms fit into that box
as best we can. But there's this whole other category
of brain generated symptoms in the body with you know,
(15:53):
no physical abnormalities. Typically that is responsible for the pain
or ill in forty percent of people that go to
the doctor and twenty percent of the adult population, so
it's almost twice as many people with this as there
are diabetics. And unfortunately, very few places that are teaching
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how to diagnose and treat this. The medical school here
in Portland I've been teaching at for several years now,
so they're taking an enlightened approach to this, but unfortunately
most training programs around the country are not doing this.
Doctors are still just perseverating on organs and structures trying
to make their patient symptoms fit this and it doesn't,
(16:39):
and so they're getting frustrated. They're beating their heads against
the wall. They're getting burned out by patients like this.
But when they learn how to diagnose and treat this.
They absolutely love it. On symptomatic dot me, which is
our website, we've got a number of courses for professionals.
There were some doctors that took this who were over
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on the East Coast, and I remember them because one
of them took me aside at a conference and said
that that course had put the joy back into her work,
because all of a sudden she could diagnose and treat
successfully at people she had no idea what to do
with before that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What if you can't what if you know where the
stress comes from? Bravo, fucking bravo. But you there's nothing
you can really do to change I mean, the stress
is going to continue to happen. Do you know what
I'm saying? What if I can't? What if I can't
cope with it?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's a good question, and you know, not everybody's
stress is something they can deal with right away. But
what I found very often is that it's not just
the stress you know about. It's not just the stress
that's in your life at the present time. It's how
it's interacting with the personality that you had before that
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stress happened, personality features that can stretch all the way
back to when a person was growing up and what
they were coping with at that time, and that there's
a synergy between the long term personality features and sometimes
unrecognized emotions that people bring into the present day, and
then you get a stress from the current period of
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time on top of that that just multiplies it. And
if we can understand all of those interactions, then it's
possible to deal with it more successfully.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I mean, do you have a lot of people saying, well,
this is a crap of crap I mean? Or do
you have a lot of naysayers? I mean, obviously you've
cured over seven thousand people. I believe in what you're saying.
But do you have people going, well, I mean so
much pain, I need my medication, you can't help me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I just heard. It was a colleague of mine
who does this work, who sent me a magazine article
in an email where two women who were researchers in
this They had PhDs and were doing science around this,
and they both were suffering from chronic fatigue. And one
of the comments that they made is this can't be
a mental problem. My symptoms are too severe. But it
(19:27):
turns out that's absolutely not true. A brain to body
neuroplastic process can produce any level of symptoms in the body,
and until you realize that, there's going to be skepticism.
So I have to explain to people how powerful the
brain can be in producing these symptoms. Again, that young
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man with the paralyzed stomach, when I sent him down
for his test to we have a test that we
can measure how well the stomach is emptying, and they
called me from the X ray department where they were
doing the test, and they said, we've been scanning him
for two hours and nothing has moved. That was how
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powerful that young man's brain was, that it could actually
physically shut down his stomach. And you can get rashes
from this, you can be you know. Another one of
our patients was so fatigued that all she could do
was crawl from her bed to the bathroom and back.
For over a year. She was actually based in your
(20:33):
area and as a feature film director, she made a
wonderful video for us, where we've got scientists, we've got clinicians,
we've got patients. It's only seven minutes long. It's on
Symptomatic dot Me and I think for people who are skeptical.
It'll go a long way toward persuading them of the
power of this.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah. And also I mean, I mean, you have nothing
to lose. I mean, if you're in this situation and
you can't find an answer, I will try anything. I mean,
that's the problem. I've gone to so many doctors and
spent so much money. I mean, because my insurance is
at Kaiser. They're not the best. I don't care if
they get mad at me my Kaiser portal. I yell
(21:15):
at all of them all of the time. They don't care,
Like you're a doctor that seems to really care. And
a lot of these doctors they just don't give a
shit anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, I think doctors care. They want to help their patients.
You know those doctors that I talked about who took
the course on symptomatic not me, They really wanted to
help their patients. They just didn't know how. And it
also does take a little bit of time to have
the conversations you need to have to find out what's
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going on in people's lives. But once these doctors learned
how to do this, they were so enthusiastic. There were
just three of them that took the course initially, but
they were so enthusiastic about it afterwards they taught seventy
other doctors in their community how to do this over
the following year. So it's really not a question of caring.
(22:10):
It's more about, you know, what do we do, how
do we help somebody who doesn't fit into the paradigms
we've been taught. And it's possible to learn this. I
learned it, you know all I was a psych major,
It's true, but I didn't have any more formal training
in psychology beyond that. It's really a question of using
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your humanity to understand what another person is coping with.
And when you do that, these things become clear. That
patient who was hospitalized at a prestigious university sixty times,
she was skeptical. I mean, she said, you know, doctor,
don't waste your time with me. I've already had every
(22:52):
test I can think of. I've seen a dozen specialists.
They even as a psychiatrist talk to me. They don't
know what's wrong. They can't find anything wrong, which is
I use that for the title of my first book.
So you'd be better off seeing your other patients. But
I said, you know, give me half an hour, tell
me the story one more time, and we'll see what
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we can figure out. And it turned out that all
of these attacks she was having of dizziness and vomiting
were connected to interactions with her mother, either direct or indirect,
and her mother had been verbally and emotionally abusive towards
her since she was three or four years old. And
when I saw her, she was fifty oh, and it
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was still going on. Her mother was still mistreating her,
and nobody ever asked her about that. Even the university
psychiatrist didn't ask her about that because he didn't know
the kinds of things to look for in people who
are physically ill as opposed to having mental health struggles.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think also just getting it out and talking about
it and a lot of that, I mean, to someone
who genuinely seems interested is important. I think, you know,
I tend to bottle up a lot of things because
I don't want other people to worry about me, and
(24:14):
so I use humor as a way to like be like, yeah,
it's fine, just going to be homeless in a week,
you know, like well blah, you know, to joke, but
literally that is it's just there is a realness to that.
But doctors, I will say the ones. Some of the
ones I've seen are great. Some of them I will
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send ahead. I will send all my medications I've won
all the doctors I've seen, like, I want them prepared
for my appointment because when I go in there, I'm
not going to have enough time to explain the past
two years of all of the different things that have happened.
And I've found that a lot of doctors, they come
in and you get maybe ten minutes maybe and it's
(25:00):
just not enough time to explain everything, and then you
get a prescription and referral to a different doctor, you know.
And that's been kind of my situation. You know, I
have a friend who's a doctor, a plastic surgeon. He
reached out. He's been very helpful. He's you know, he
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actually took some cultures and biopsies because I was like, please,
someone just like cut my face open. That sounds horrible,
but I was just at that point. We don't have
the results back yet because it takes time for those
things to grow. But I really, even if it's the
worst answer, I would just like an answer, and if
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it is the stress and trauma that I experienced these
past two years with you know, the Bravo stuff and
then being labeled what I was labeled and not having
worked and because of it, it's just it has been.
It's an all day, every day stress. That's it. I mean,
it could very well be. I mean, it really does
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affect my days all day every day. So I mean,
I'll definitely speak with you outside of this, but I
just yeah, I mean, it could be. But I'm like
a lot of people where unless we talk about it
and I'm better, I'm going to be skeptical just because
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it sounds too good to be true.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, And a lot of my patients are initially skeptical,
and that's fine. All I ask is that they give
the approach a good try and they can continue to
do everything that they're doing with their other medical clinicians.
And that's fine too. There's no contradiction, there's no interference
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of one with the other. But it usually becomes fairly
clear to people fairly early on if this approach is
going to work. They're going to start seeing progress, They're
going to start noticing that it's making a difference for them.
They're also when they hear or have a full discussion
of all of the stresses past and present that may
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be playing a role in this. They're going to recognize themselves.
They're going to have some insights into what's going on
that makes sense to them that it's not only connected
to physical health, but to keeping your own concerns to yourself,
repressing emotions that you have about certain situations, being somebody
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that cares about everybody else in her world to the
exclusion of her own needs sometimes. Something else that you
mentioned in your book that caught my eye was that
you tend to be a control freak. I don't know
you personally, so I can't comment on that, but you
mentioned it in the book, and that's a characteristic that
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many of my patients have. They have been trying to
control their stress and the stressful things in their lives
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean it's it's hard. I kind of became
one in that going through my very traumatic divorce. I was,
you know, the mom and the dad, and I had
to to learn to do things I had never really
done before, and you know, run the household, do all
these things that I realized I could do. But then
(28:27):
with that, I thought, no one can. I can never have.
I can never trust anyone to do this for me.
I have to do it myself. So now everything I
just would, I'm like, I'll just do it. Like hire
someone to do something. I'm like, oh, it's fine, I
got this. I'll just do it because it's not going
to be good enough. Like that's why I have such
a fear of flying, because I don't trust the pilots.
(28:50):
It's so weird, but I have to look in the pilot.
I'm like, oh, my life is in your hands. How
is this possible? And that's why I take a samax.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, and that's entirely understandable. Well, you know this approach.
I think in order to have a complete medical evaluation
for symptoms like this where a physical cause is not
being found, it would make perfect sense to me to
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have an exploration of all the stresses past and present
and see if we can make sense for this. You know,
obviously not during a podcast, but I'd be happy to
meet with you in private where there's you know, nobody
else is listening, and you can share things that you
wouldn't necessarily share with anybody else, so that I can
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try to understand all the underpinnings of this, and it
could be that at the end of that discussion we
find that it isn't helpful. I mean, that's I don't
have to acknowledge that as a possibility.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You're in a safe space, which is That's another thing.
I have trust issues. I don't try a lot of
people because I've been burned by so many people in
this business. So it's very hard for me to just
share my problems. I'm gonna overshare when it comes to like,
you know, fun stuff, but when it comes to like
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like even it took me a year and like almost
a year and a half to finally let people know
what was happening with my face because I didn't want
their sympathy. I didn't want people to worry about me.
But I one night I was drinking and tweating. I tweated.
(30:38):
Somebody's like, Oh, you must be guilty. You don't leave
your house, you're not on social media. But I'm like,
I don't leave my house because this is happening to
my fucking face. Sorry, doctor Clark, I do CRUs and
this is what's going on with me. That's why you
I mean, after COVID, the last thing I want to
do is be on my couch again for two years.
(31:00):
So I finally just shared it. And now I feel
like I'm glad that I did because people like you,
you know, great doctors have reached out and I feel
very blessed. And I do talk to everyone that reaches out.
I try to have a conversation with them, but it's
almost like to point almost too many cooks in the
(31:20):
kitchen because my friends are like, yeah, but yesterday you
were excited because you thought you had an answer and
it was this, So I do I said, well, at
least I'm still positive, you know, because I do want.
I do get excited. You know, if I think it's
I think it's something new every other day, because you know,
(31:40):
something my doctor will tell me. Maybe it's this. You know,
I went to the chiropractor. He's like, the left side
of your neck is you know, it's really MESSI weated,
like all of these scans and it's like pushing on
my brain and like, I'll show you the scans. But
I'm like, yo, maybe it's just that, maybe I need
adjustments and you know, but you know, two days before that,
I thought it was something else because I saw talk
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to her. But I'm just so desperate for an answer.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, well, that's why we have that twelve question quiz
on symptomatic dot me to help people get some insight
into whether this approach could have some value for them.
And the more questions to which people answer yes, the
more likely that the resources on the website are going
to be helpful or that, you know, an evaluation for
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past and present stresses could lead to some answers. And
if you had nine yeses out of twelve, that's pretty significant.
But you know, I can also understand, you know, the
trust issues. You don't know me, you've never seen me before.
I never talk about, you know, other celebrity patients that
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I've worked with. I don't even tell my wife, and
you know, we've been married for almost forty eight years.
She does not even know who I've talk to, let
alone know what we said.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So I would divorce you if you tell me.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I am well sorry, we wouldn't last long. But I
am very strict on confidentiality. You know, I tell my
wife everything pretty much.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But that is you know, I mean, I am very
trusting and you seem like a good like. You seem
trusting to me, But there are some people that just
want to go and talk to the media about me
and not actually helped me, just get their name out there,
and I I I.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Would sooner burn my license than do that.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I can tell. I can tell. I mean, I looked
you up, I know everything about your I'm a stalker
and kidding, I'm not. I did want to kind of
touch on one thing that a lot of my doctor
(34:00):
said maybe it's the COVID vaccine, and I read you
said something about long COVID, Like, what is your take
on that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, long COVID has been blamed for post to two
hundred different symptoms, and there just aren't many biological diseases
that can create that many different symptoms. But a neuroplastic symptom,
a neuroplastic process, brain to body process can go anywhere
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and produce almost anything. And it's actually the norm for
there to be more than one symptom at a time
and for symptoms to move from place to place, or
symptoms to go away in one part of the body
and show up in a different part. One of the
little yellow flags in your case that popped up in
(34:54):
your book was that you mentioned you'd had interstitial cystidis
at some time in the past and you had the
face picking issue at some time in the past. Both
of those are very often brained to body conditions, so
it's almost like your brain has already demonstrated that it
can do this kind of thing in the past, So
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that to me was another little indicator that this is
at least worth exploring.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, no, I absolutely, like I don't. My inner socle
societies was so severe. I was getting cathgorized every week
and getting medication and put it in my bladder. For
those that don't know, it's basically an ulcer in your
bladder and it just feels like you have a blatter infection.
There's burning at all times. It is miserable. I had
(35:42):
it for many years and I don't know how, but
after my divorce, it just I think the focus of
my stress changed to hatred and bunny revenge, so I
was no longer so worried about, you know, my my
(36:04):
ailment and it. And by the way, when I was pregnant,
it did seem to heal that. I don't know if
like I was growing a baby in my body, so
it like kind of healed a lot of things for me.
But that helped. And then the divorce, like the switching
of focus. Like I always say, hocus pocus, change your
(36:25):
focus when to myself and to my friends when we're
like when I go down a rabbit hole, I'm like, Okay,
I'm in a bad mood. I'm like, but it's the
beginning of today and it's nice. I'm gonna change my focus.
I'm very self aware, but you know, it's it's hard
not to slowly shift back to like little triggers will
(36:48):
be like some things like we'll get a text from
you know, a housewife and we like her, but it
just triggers that Morocco trip that ruined her life, and
then you're back to the darkness.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I forgotten something here, Yes, because you ever since I've
known you, have like been able to quickly go down
rabbit holes, you know, like quickly, obviously, like it's gotten
a little worse since all of these incidents, but like
I feel like you've always been that way.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, No, I mean I have. That's why when I
met my friend Mark, he's like, Okay, we don't stay there,
Like that's my thing. They're rabbit holes all over my yard,
but I don't stay in them anymore. This one I've
stayed in for two years. But because it affects my
look and every time my looks and every time I
look in the mirror, I'm reminded of it. I feel
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like it's just so difficult not to think about, Like
you capt yourself in the car looking at the room
of your mirror or you you know, you're walking up
your car, and which is the worst the reflection in
the window, and I look like I'm one hundred and
fifty years old all of a sudden, and it's hard
not to them start thinking about that again when you
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catch glimpses of yourself.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Well, it's interesting that the interstitial cystidis got better after
a mental shift, and that's that's been my experience with
that particular condition, is that there's a huge contribution from
brain to body processes. And you know, the face picking
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issue as well is a measure of a very powerful
mental force going on that was creating that situation.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean, I'm aware I was picking at nothing, but
I was picking. It was just like my go to.
It was like I was ment what do you call it,
mutilating my self? Mutilization in a way, just to have
pain and blood and not think about my emotional pain.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, and That's what I've observed in my other patients
that have had similar issues, is that they're they've gotten
so good at burying their emotions that they're not feeling
much of anything at all, and feeling the pain is
a way to feel something and it provides relief. It's
a form of self treatment. It's not something to be
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ashamed of. It's somebody who's under a tremendous amount of
pressure and is finding a way to alleviate that. My
patients with this condition are very strong people. They are
just like Olympic weightlifters who are trying to carry fifty
pounds more than the world record for their weight class
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on their shoulders, and anybody's body is going to break
down under that kind of strain.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I was wondering, like I was
almost not going to share it, and then I'm like,
I need to share this because there's people, there's people
out there that are going to get it. I mean
some people are going to be like, oh what the hell,
But I'm like, you know what, I'm going to share everything,
the good, the bad, the ugly, you know, try to
be humorous throughout as well, because I didn't want it
(40:09):
to be like a book about want, Want, Want, for
me to also show that I'm a fighter and that
there was, you know, a somewhat of a happy ending,
and there is life after divorce, and you will go
through some of the most terrible things you know that
people can go through. Not always, but it does happen
(40:30):
more times than not with the people that I know. Anyway,
you know, divorce brings out the worst in so many people.
But you've been married for forty eight years, so you
don't have to worry about that. But my parents have
been married for for fifty years, so they don't have
to worry about that. But my dad is a nightmare.
So I'm pretty sure my mom has some She gardens
(40:52):
a lot. I'm like, just keep that knife post in
case you have to give him a job. I'm kidding,
I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
He's a good.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
But you know, I forgot where I was going with
this again. I feel like I'm just in my head
right now thinking about all of this.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well, I mean, that was something else that struck me
about your book is just the sheer courage and determination
you had, and now with your going public with this
changes in your face is again a measure of how
courageous you are and how much you care about other people.
I mean, there's there are going to be you know,
(41:29):
you have so many followers, there are going to be
hundreds of thousands of them that are struggling with very
similar issues, and they're going to be listening to this
and learning things that unfortunately they haven't heard from the
medical profession that are going to.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Help them' that's my goal. I mean, we get so
many emails from people going through similar situations. So anything
that I try, or I do, or I talk to,
I share it because even if it doesn't work for me,
I'm letting them know that I tried this and I
tried that, because not everyone, you know, can afford listen.
I can't afford it either, But I'm like, I'm happy
(42:05):
to be the guinea pig and just keep people motivated
to try, keep trying to find answers because honestly, it's
very hard on your mental health. And you know, there's
been some very dark thoughts with me and with these
people that have reached out to me, and that is
(42:26):
the last thing that I want to happen to anyone,
you know, with anything I don't, you know, So I
want to share, and I want to be vulnerable and
I want to share the good, bad, the ugly, and
I want to help people figure out how they can
help themselves. So you guys, go take this quiz. Hopefully
you won't get nine out of twelve like I did,
(42:46):
but maybe maybe hopefully you will, so then you know
that there's there's work to be done and it's not
necessarily just you need pills or surgery or anything like that.
Maybe you can maybe you can figure this out. Because
as Ryan and I always say, it was something we
always say, our brain is so powerful. I'm like, I'm like,
(43:08):
we can do it. If we say it, we can
do it, and we think it, we can do it.
And last night I was laying in by with like
my lights on my face and the other again last
weekend as well because I had to work and I
was like, how am I going to work with my
face like this? So I thought about it all. I
was stressed about all this. So I'm like, yeah, I'm
getting better. And my son was making fun of me.
(43:28):
He's like, you are lying to yourself. I'm like i am,
but I'm trying to I'm trying to like manifest that
I'm going to be better by tomorrow, so that when
we got to shoot to some music video, I don't
look the way I look right now. So I was
trying to trick myself. But I knew I was trying
to trick myself, so I didn't work.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
One other resource I should point you to and your
listeners as well as I just started my own podcast
last month. It's called The Story Behind the Symptoms, and
it consists of me interviewing patients and going into a
fair amount of depth. You know, not every last detail
(44:10):
that I would do in my office, but people have
been very generous in sharing about their lives and the
issues that have led to them being ill. That the
first person I interviewed had been ill for thirty years
and made a complete recovery. The second one had been
ill for half her life and she was nearly thirty
and she made a full recovery, and we talk about
(44:32):
how that recovery happened and the kinds of issues that
we need to understand for people to make progress. So
that would be another resource for anybody for whom these
ideas resonate. Anybody who's got a high score on that
quiz would be I think learn a lot from that podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, you guys listen to this podcast. Honestly, if you know,
there's things that I'm going to share with you, doctor
that I pretty much share most things that I don't
want to share everything.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No, there there are lines that all, but come on, no,
never want you to cross.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Things like that. No one needs to know. No real
big secrets. Guys, don't worry. You know, I'm an open
book in general, but just with my mental health and
things that. Yeah, but you guys don't get to know. Well,
thank you so much, doctor Clark. Let's let's figure out
a time that we can talk. I would love to
(45:33):
continue this conversation if you have If you have the
time for me.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, absolutely, I've got pretty good availability next week. This
week and last week not so much. But next week, yeah,
reach out. We'll say I.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Have nothing to do except for think about everything that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Okay, we will set up a zoom and we will
do the full on uh exploration of this and see
what we come up with. And I think there's a
good chance that we will come up with things that
will be helpful to you. And it's absolutely worth a try.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, you know what it is that's the whole thing.
It really is everything you guys do everything. I just
you know, when people with chronic pain or you know,
a lot of them get addicted to these pain pills
and all of these things, and thank god, I'm allergic
to pain pills. I'm actually not even in pain. I
just look crazy, and there are there are some pain sometimes,
but it's not like I would rather almost be in pain,
(46:31):
look like on one hundred and fifty years old. But
that's just the you know, I grew up modeling and
be on TV, so of course I'm worried about the
way look. But I always just to tell my kids
because they would. We had this one house where there
was the whole wall was mirrored and they would walk
by it. And they're very handsome boys, but they would
every time stop and be like and check themselves out
(46:54):
and make like post faces. I'm like, you guys look
stayed like, get over yourself. They go away at some point,
but of course it happens to me. I'm like, why
I know they fade, I'm already old wires is happening.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah. Well, I remember one other detail about your case
that I think I heard described, which was that you
felt like something was moving underneath the skin of your face.
And it turns out there are, depending on how you
count them, between twenty and forty three muscles in the face,
(47:30):
each of which can either relax or contract, and every
single one of them is controlled by the brain. So
depending on what they're doing at any given moment, they
could definitely cause a distortion or cause a feeling like
there's something going on underneath the skin. So to me,
(47:51):
that was at least another little clue in this direction.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, I mean, because I had videos, I'm like, it's
over here. Oh no, I went to the other side
of my face. Now, well, that's why I was like,
it felt like there was something alive because it was
the lump and the I don't even know what it is.
It would just move. It was above my lip and
then it goes over to the left side of my
like my nasal fold, labial fold. Then it would just
(48:15):
it was just.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I don't symptoms. That move is one of the characteristics
of a neuroplastic process or a neuroplastic symptom. So again,
you know, can't diagnose on a podcast, but it's a
little extra clue that we may be onto something.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well, doctor Klirk. I look forward to speaking to you, Rice,
Thank you so much for being here. Visit his website.
Tell us where they can visit you and how they
can listen to your podcast.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, symptomatic dot me, s y mptomatic dot me, and
the podcast is the story behind the symptoms and there
are lots and lots of resources there. And start with
the twelve question quiz and see where you come out
on that. Uh, and then you can go from there.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Absolutely. And so now you have my email because you
put your well, I put my email in it at
the end, and I have your email too, so we
can contact each other and we'll set up a time
for next week. And I really do look forward to
talking with you. And hopefully this can help you guys too.
I want I want everyone to be able to figure
out what's wrong with them. It's not it's not fun
(49:24):
to be to be in our situations, guys, So let's
fake ourselves.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Thank you, Brandy. You're going to be helping a lot
of people. And I'm very grateful.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah, you like him?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I do you know what he's he has this this
this aura or something about him that it makes you
feel safe.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, It was nice to hear you opening up. It
felt like it felt like therapy session was happening in
front of my eyes, well yours?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well yeah, I mean, well what I mean, what else
were I you know, after reading about him? And of
course I want everyone. I want everyone to get fixed.
You know, if this can work, I will try it, honestly,
like I have, as you know, so much fucking stress
in my life, financial stress.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
That it's all connected. It makes sense, you know, it does,
it does?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Bravo, Bravo, fucking bravo.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, so it's it's you know, it's always on my mind.
And so that would and then if I walk in
front the mirror and I see that I look crazy?
How and then that's on my mind. So the two
go hand in hand. And it did all start right
after Morocco?
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, no, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Well, my life literally exploded.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
Yes, yeah, it did.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I did it, And oh my god, I wish my
dogs would explode. It is its fucking buddy and lady
step it. There's no one even here.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
They're trying to protect you.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah. Well I don't need I don't need it to Walt.
Well he does. It's actually nice. They probably want to
go for w A LKA. How have you been right?
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
I know, it's been so long. I've been good, Mags,
and I want to have a child. Still that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, that's good because that was only two weeks ago
that you told me you wanted to have one, So
you're still in the same right.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
I've been talking about it for like two years, I know.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But you didn't. We just talking about it two weeks ago. Really, okay,
one you will have one, and then when you go
on your vacation, your first vie hasion will be.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Like, oh fuck, I wish I didn't do this hard?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Why did we want this so bad? You'll you'll be
very happy and you it will happen. You know, it's stressful,
it's hard. Just you know, let it out, Ryan, I
mean your sperm.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
I'm doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
I like seeing all this content with you and James.
How's that been going. That's been really fun to see
you know, on the instagrams and stuff you guys go
into like hotels or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I don't know, I don't know what it's Actually it's
great because James it's been the one person that's gotten
me out of the house. I haven't because he'll be like,
I got the hotel and I paid for it, so
you and then I felt bad. I'm like, I can't flake.
But it's been fun, like we just have fun and
James is he's wild and hilarious and we have to
(52:44):
sleep in a bed together. But it's a king, right, Yeah, No,
it was a king for sure. No, I don't even mind.
It's just his dog was on me. But I was like, listen,
if I had to pick between James nine I was dog,
I would pick me too. I'm kidding. Moo loves he
loves moo. He's obsessed with his dog.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
He is upset Moo Moo.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I'm like, if you, if you say his name or
her name one more time, I'm done. There's got to
be something else we can talk about. We actually have
some really fun stuff coming up tomorrow and.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, thinks, can you tell me about it? Or no?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I will tell you when James tells me. No. I
don't know where we're going or what we're doing, but
we do have what I know what we're doing. We
have some fun ideas of things to talk about. That
don't have Bravo in the title.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Okay, Well, I was just gonna say this. Yeah, I
was told by a very high up producer. Okay, right
after all of this nonsense, after Caroline doctor lawsuit, all
this stuff was going on, I was like, I go
to work, and this producer supposedly was my friend. Yeah,
he goes, I think you can. You can be pretty
(54:07):
sure you're never gonna work for you know, Bravo, NBC
Universal again. Yeah me, I'm like, what did I do?
The Caroline's the one fucking suing you. But okay, so
I don't really have a I have to sue you now.
And it's not even just that it's a Warner Brothers too.
So because it's the Warner Brothers, I've read lest that
that's everyone.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
Wait, but Warner Brothers is totally different than NBC. I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Because Warner Brothers bought NBC, Peacock Universal. They Warner Brothers owned.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
To all of it.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
So now everything like they're like, I'll be watching something
and it'll come up with all of the channels that's
under that or under their umbrella, and I'm like, can't
work for them can't work for them, can't work for them.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
It's just like, are you sure I thought Warner and
in Universal we're separated.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
That's me. I did some homework. I promise you.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
I'm gonna talk him I because I'm.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Well, that's why they're involved in the lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
It's like you do podcasts with Universal, literally, but I
want to ask them because I'm like, I didn't know.
I thought Warner was so separate anyway, very core.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
It's a kind of glomorate monopoly, and I cannot play
monopoly anymore. I must not.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Pass go on.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
I'm in. Yeah, yeah, it's the only y all right.
On that note, h If you're not them.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Well, thank you to everybody that keeps sending in messages Brandy.
I'm just forwarding them onto you. Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
There's a lot of long ones. I mean, I I
just I had two hundred forty six emails today and
I have such anxiety that I hadn't checked them for
two days because there's like financial shit happening that I
just don't even want to know the answer to. Dealing
with stuff with Jake. You know, his graduations coming up,
and he's e credits, Like the kid is so healthy,
(56:01):
works out with the trainer every day. He like pe really,
but I'm like, literally, I want to fucking murder these people.
And he's he's a transfer student and they didn't require
him to have pe at ser king and although he
was on the basketball team. So fuck I'm I'm dealing
with trying Ryan.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
Not too confusing. That is confusing.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yes, I'm not losing my shit because if I lose
my shit on these people, it will be retroactive. Is
that the right word.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah, well it's added stress that clearly you don't need.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Okay, but I need my kid to graduate. So you know,
Eddie's like, take it away, Brandy back. So I'm you know,
I went into the office, I had a meeting, and
I'm trying to not lose my temper. But you know,
sometimes it's difficult when someone's saying something that doesn't make sense.
But everyone's been very nice. I just I don't understand
(56:56):
why we're finding out about this. Yeah, halfway through this semester.
This should to us at the beginning of this transferred.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
It should have been telebody transferred.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Or even just at the beginning of this semester, so
they weren't going to be saying okay, you have to go. Yeah,
we're going to pull you out of your academic classes.
But two hours of pe the kid, he's like a
male specimen. He's like perfect, he's perfect.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
I haven't seen either of them in my God, they're perfect.
How many years? Like what a year and a half?
Two years? How long you.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Even't been to this house? Shut? And I've been here
a year and a half.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, I dropped off a microphone a long time ago.
But that so I saw the front of your You're
going to have.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
To come because none of the other things. This thing
works that we on your dumb river side.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, I know we need to trade. I want that
stuff back because I have.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
It all back.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
I have it all in one spot.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Now. I'll do it because I want to see if
I can get it to work, you know, and then
I'll give you something. I have it right here, I'll
give it to you. It's very simple USB mic that
does work.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
I keep hearing that.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
Okay, just shut up, all right?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
What else anything new like that's exciting? I mean, James
and I are going to talk about all the bullshit tomorrow.
But this, I really hope that all of the people
that are reaching out to me with you know, simpolar symptoms.
Maybe they can reach out to you know, doctor Clerk
as well. He seems like he's really eager to help,
and clearly he's a medical doctor. And that's my thing. Listen,
(58:38):
this could be the perfect storm of a medical problem,
a psychological problem and you know something. You know, maybe
maybe it's a dential issue, but I do think that
there's a component of it that is stress induced. And
I think stress causes cancer. That's what I have to say.
Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, well, I think it definitely does. I think there's
been studies to prove that. But you know what I
liked about him the most. You know, he's an older doctor,
right and he I feel like what is clearly coming
across is that he really does care, which is what
she said, and.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
He believes a lot of other doctors care. But he's
only around doctors that want to learn more. That means
they care. But there are doctors that don't want to
learn more.
Speaker 4 (59:24):
Because it's not part of the well, yes, because it's
not part of their training. You know, they go to
school for like seven years, they have to do a residency,
but none of this stuff relating to the brain has
anything to do with the training that they do for
whatever specific field they go into, you know, which is
what's so wild.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Work they're training and the fact that he at an
older age, was able to to shift and change and
be accepting and learning.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
Exactly and that's why. And he's secularly passionate about it
and excited about it so much so that he wants
to continue teaching people and start a podcast. That's what's
like crazy, is that like if I was that age,
you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
He don't make shange him and I.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
If I wasn't passionate about it, I wouldn't have I
wouldn't start a podcast, you know, like I just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He's help me, that's helping. He's getting his message out
to the masses because there's a lot of people that
haven't heard about this.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah, you know, I this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
If I wasn't growing through this, I don't think that
we would have him on my podcast better fully, but
this is it's a it's a new audience for him.
And I hope that, you know, everyone that's reaching out
to me with their symptoms can try this, you know,
because maybe maybe it's a part of it, at least
if it's not the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I think I think so, I think so and
and and that's hard to come to terms with that,
you know, but uh, I do think it's it's got
to be related, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I mean I think everyone and much like myself,
I want a diagnosis. I want an answer. But sometimes
the answer isn't as clear as a doctor saying like
you have ABC. Yeah, it's more talking it out, figuring
it out, seeing how you feel, if you can breathe.
(01:01:13):
I don't breathe. I realized, by the way, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
That's a huge problem, Brandy. You should breathe. That's how
we survive.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I know, so crazy. I have to leave you out
because I'm going to the chiropractor and that's helping me too.
Everyone's helping me. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Well, the chiropractor probably relaxes you, which is what you need.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Does not relax me, I'll tell you that. But I
love a good crack.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Thanks for listening to Brandy Glanville Unfiltered.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
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