014 - What's in the middle of Australia? We've done all those dumb things (shout out to Paul Kelly!)
September 3, 2025 • 13 mins
From racing bikes in the Australian outback to accidentally moving countries, we share the strange paths life sometimes takes.
- Richard's recent adventure racing through the desert corrugations of Alice Springs
- Ben accidentally moved to Canada for nine months
- Using Uber as a courier service to retrieve forgotten items from hotels
- Here's the link: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrew-pullen_winning-activity-7363826413075890177-Km_V
- A listener defends proper Italian cooking and weighs in on the great pasta shape debate
- And sharing our gift-giving philosophy - what items are too personal to give and alternative gift strategies
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Bravo Charlie Club podcast, making you
12 and a half minutes moreawesome each week.
He's Ben.
I'm Richard.
Let's go, ben.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm well, mate.
I've been reminded that it wasmy passion and promise that we
were new listener countries tocall out, and so Hong Kong's
joined us.
We've got listeners from HongKong now.
So Neho which is actually quiteformal.
So we'll just go with Harlow,which has actually got quite an
(00:42):
English sound to it, but it's avery Hong Kong word as well.
So there you go, there you goyeah.
Thanks for listening guys.
Welcome, richard.
You went to Alice Springs thisweek.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I did.
Yes, I've just come back fromAlice Springs.
I did a four-day gravel bikerace around Alice Springs with
Rapid Ascent, called the ShimonoGravel Master, which was
fantastic fun For internationallisteners.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
just to put that in perspective, we live in
Queensland on the coast, soyou've flown for three and a
half hours to central Australiato do a bike race.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
To ride my bike in the desert.
The funny thing about the roadsaround Alice Springs is that,
like in southeast Queensland,there's this, there's lots of
gravel.
The gravel roads are fairlytame and and you know, sort of
like, maybe slightly firetrailing at the high end or sort
(01:38):
of fairly tame gravel at the,uh, low end.
But Alice Springs, the outbackroads are just nothing like it
Massive corrugations, huge pitsof sand.
We've all seen Crocodile,dundee, mate, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So hang on.
Just for perspective again.
Listeners in the UK we've gotmany.
If you fly for three and a halfhours from Heathrow, you barely
left the state.
They would cross four countries.
They could cross four countries.
Yeah, that's nuts.
And you went there for a bikerace.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I did.
I went there for a bike race.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That just sounds dumb .
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It was great fun.
Yeah, it does sound a bit dumb.
I was a bit undercooked on thetraining side too, leading into
it and I went back five days out, undercooked, on the training
side too leading into it and Iwent back five days out.
So all the signs were pointingto pull out or cancel.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
but no, but you finished right.
You finished yeah.
Congratulations Everyonefinished.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Everyone who started the race finished the race
Really, which was excellent.
There was 80-odd people, 83, 82, something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We found 80 people to fly to the middle of.
Australia to do a five-day bikerace?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yes, 400 case End of my words, that just sounds dumb.
400 case of racing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, my goodness, Well done.
Congratulations, so that was me.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
How about you, Ben?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It probably sounds like the dumbest thing ever to
most people.
What's the dumbest thing you'veever done?
It's the league leader.
Oh, dumbest thing I've everdone.
Uh, moved to canada canada isawesome canada is awesome.
Canada is awesome, but not.
Not moving to canada wasn't thedumb thing, it was the
circumstances.
So my wife and I were living inLondon and Australians are
blessed we're allowed to travelto most countries, and we were
(03:31):
living in London because of thevisa availability and while we
were there we discovered youcould go to Canada.
But also while we were therethe age limit changed and we
were no longer eligible, so wemoved back to Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
While you were in London, the age limit changed.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, so to go to Canada.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh right right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So we moved back to Australia thinking, oh well,
we've missed that opportunity.
And then the age limit changedagain and I told Tanya about it
and she was like, oh cool.
And so she went off and bookedtickets and and visas and worked
everything out and I thoughtshe wanted to go because she was
putting all the effort into itand she thought I wanted to go
(04:16):
because I'd mentioned it whilewe were living in london, so and
we didn't actually know that wewere going for the other person
until we got there and she saidwell, I don't even like the
snow, so I hope you enjoy thetime here.
And I was just like what areyou talking about?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I'm here because you want to be here I thought you
wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You booked everything .
And she's like, yeah, so, yeah,that was.
That was pretty dumb and wewere married at the time, wasn't
like we weren't talking to eachother, we just completely got
that one wrong.
Hey, yeah, so that's my.
That's not a five-day trip inAlice Springs, that was like a
nine-month trip.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, that's a chunk of it's a big chunk of life.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That one, yeah, but it costs more too, but the
stories that we got out of itand the learnings that we got
out of it were amazing.
You know, travel is such a giftthat we have in this world.
We turned it into a fun time asyou can.
Awesome, fantastic, butdefinitely, if you ask Tanya now
, she would go straight there.
No-transcript, yeah, talking oftravel though it brings,
(05:26):
obviously we'd love to have aregular travel tip.
I caught on a social media feedthis week an awesome tip that I
want to share and I'll drop thelink into the show notes.
But a guy he's not a listener,at least I don't think he is AP
left his laptop in a hotel andhe was in an international
(05:49):
country on his way to theairport and he actually rang the
hotel and said I've ordered anUber Because you know you can
use Uber for a courier.
Yeah, and the Uber courier wentand picked up the laptop and
basically followed him to theairport, which I mean it's a
very simple solve, right.
But when you think about thestress he would have been under
(06:10):
because no one goes to theairport, which I mean it's a
very simple solve, right, butwhen you think about the stress
he would have been under becauseno one goes to the airport too
early.
It would have been on atimeline to have the wherewithal
to think that through order thecourier ring the hotel, make
sure the laptop was brought downto the lobby, hand it off to
the correct person.
Pretty, pretty, uh, greatproblem solving, I thought so um
(06:33):
it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Lots of moving parts in there and uh, and it lined up
.
Yeah, and I've done it I'vedone it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I actually left my laptop at the office in sydney
and I was on my way to theairport and you, you know, I've
got the device warnings comingup on my Apple phone saying you
know, you've left somethingbehind, and I usually ignore
them because, you know, I'venormally left my you know, my
bag in the hotel room orsomething they ping off all the
(07:00):
time.
Yeah so yeah, that became alesson to me when it said you've
left your laptop behind.
That I should actually you, youknow pay attention to those
sometimes in in this world, wehave notifications and services
that we have on and then don'tuse, and that was a lesson to me
.
So, having having been in theexact situation as this, this
(07:22):
person and the way he solved it,I was, I was impressed.
It resonated with me.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yes, yeah, nice, nice save, nice save indeed yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Hey, we've been getting some listener feedback.
I think listener EL actuallybinge listened to several
episodes because the feedback wegot covered several episode
topics, the first one being shewas adamant that spaghetti
cannot be used in lasagna andshe was very worried about the
(07:54):
nonnas of the world.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Is that because it's not lasagna?
If it's got spaghetti in it,it's something else.
It's like baked lasagna orsomething.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, well, we went with baked spaghetti in the end,
but I think she just found thathighly offensive.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And contentious yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Both boxes ticked Did remind us that we hadn't
actually solved what the bestpasta shape was on that matter,
and put in a vote for macaroni,which I completely disagree with
.
Macaroni is a kid's food.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think, well, macaroni is good for the
impatient.
I think, yeah, quite, becauseit cooks fast.
Yeah, super fast Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But where do you sit on the best pasta shape?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I mean, I think it depends what sauce you're having
with it.
Fancy, are you?
No?
Fancy, fancy.
I'm a big fan of the homemadepesto, actually.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah okay, what do you put with that?
I think it's usually homemadepesto actually.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, okay, what do you put with that?
I think it's usually a penne.
Actually, yeah, that's a faircall.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I like those bow tie ones.
I feel like because you canstab them with a fork, because
you're fancy.
Yeah well, I think that's thefirst time I've ever been called
fancy, but I like being able to.
If I can eat a food one-handed,you know, that's the ultimate
thing for me.
That's why I love chopsticks.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Right yeah, because you can just stab it with one.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's one when it goes really wrong yeah, that's
right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Not so good with peas , but anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, I'm actually quite adept with chopsticks now.
So, yeah, that's why I lovebeing able to eat this
one-handed.
I don't know why.
Probably because I'm justcompletely useless with my left
hand.
The only thing I can do with myleft hand is brush my teeth.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Which reminds me a dentist wrote in Richard.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah said once a year is not enough for you to be
dental flossing mate.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, to be fair, I do get my teeth cleaned twice a
year, so I flossed at leasttwice.
Yeah, okay, it's probably thesame rule probably applies.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, we are held accountable by so many people,
by so many listeners yeah, so if, if anyone wants to hold us
even more accountable, certainlyum shoot us an email or send us
a text, join us on the innersanctum and whatsapp.
We've actually started to sharesome videos.
Uh, there, yeah, of tips we'regetting from from our listeners,
(10:22):
which has been really cool.
Hey, the conundrum of the week,mate.
We alluded to this gift givingGift giving yep.
I've got this theory that thereare things that are just too
personal to buy for other people.
Yes, right, and I just wonderedyou know, are you a gift giver?
Where do you sit?
On that?
(10:43):
And I'll give you for context Iwould never buy anyone a watch
or a wallet.
I just think that they're sopersonal especially wallets, you
know, because everyone's gotdifferent amounts of credit
cards, or doesn't carry coins ordoesn't like zippers or
whatever.
I just think that someoneshould be making that choice
themselves.
(11:04):
I know watches are regularlygiven, especially the
higher-valued ones, and that'shard to sort of say no, I don't
like that type of Rolex.
Can I have a different one?
Yes, so that's a bit difficult,but where do you sit?
Is there a line in the sand foryou?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well, there is actually, and so I guess where I
see, you know it's really hardto triangulate what people have
and don't have.
So I think for me it's vouchersall the way, so like movie
voucher or, you know, vouchersto a store or a shop, and then I
can sort of get what I want.
(11:44):
I've got all the stuff that Ineed really there's, and just
you're just giving me more stuff.
That that kind of creates thatsort of almost creates anxiety,
right, when you kind of getsomething from a, from a good
friend, and they kind of giveyou something, you feel
obligated to keep that thingeven though you don't need it,
want it or like it sort of thing.
But you know vouchers,particularly for experiences,
(12:06):
yeah, movie vouchers great lovethe movies, experience vouchers
Is that a?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
sign of our age.
It could be Younger listenerswould be like what are you
talking about?
Just give me stuff.
You know, yeah, how about you.
Well, you've got a house fullof things, and so I love to give
wine, because if I know theperson's a wine drinker or you
know something that can beconsumed, and then there's no
(12:31):
evidence, you know, enjoyed oncethe evidence is disposed of the
evidence.
Yeah you know what I mean,though it's it's, you know,
there's no sort of thing beingleft around that they have to
pretend that they like or enjoy,or you know it's just, or
hopefully you've got it right,because obviously a lot can go
wrong with wine or whiskey orthose types of things as well.
(12:53):
But, um, yeah, that's where Isit.
I um, yeah, the idea for me andmy values are reflected in the
gifts that I give, I guess.
And you know, so givingexperiences and things that I
hope people will enjoy is whereI've tried to position that part
of my life.
But whether I get it right ornot.
Well, someone can write in andtell me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But you better not, or you won't get another one.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Don't write in.
Thank you, I'm a grumpy old man.
Hey, that's it, richard.
Listeners have been BCC'd onour week.
Next week we're going to ask inour conundrum of the week
what's the appropriate amount ofyour neighbor's lawn that
you're allowed to mow?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So see you next week.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Bravo, charlie, club Out, and that's the pod.
Welcome to the Bravo Charlie Club podcast, making you
12 and a half minutes moreawesome each week.
He's Ben.
I'm Richard.
Let's go, ben.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm well, mate.
I've been reminded that it wasmy passion and promise that we
were new listener countries tocall out, and so Hong Kong's
joined us.
We've got listeners from HongKong now.
So Neho which is actually quiteformal.
So we'll just go with Harlow,which has actually got quite an
(00:42):
English sound to it, but it's avery Hong Kong word as well.
So there you go, there you goyeah.
Thanks for listening guys.
Welcome, richard.
You went to Alice Springs thisweek.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I did.
Yes, I've just come back fromAlice Springs.
I did a four-day gravel bikerace around Alice Springs with
Rapid Ascent, called the ShimonoGravel Master, which was
fantastic fun For internationallisteners.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
just to put that in perspective, we live in
Queensland on the coast, soyou've flown for three and a
half hours to central Australiato do a bike race.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
To ride my bike in the desert.
The funny thing about the roadsaround Alice Springs is that,
like in southeast Queensland,there's this, there's lots of
gravel.
The gravel roads are fairlytame and and you know, sort of
like, maybe slightly firetrailing at the high end or sort
(01:38):
of fairly tame gravel at the,uh, low end.
But Alice Springs, the outbackroads are just nothing like it
Massive corrugations, huge pitsof sand.
We've all seen Crocodile,dundee, mate, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So hang on.
Just for perspective again.
Listeners in the UK we've gotmany.
If you fly for three and a halfhours from Heathrow, you barely
left the state.
They would cross four countries.
They could cross four countries.
Yeah, that's nuts.
And you went there for a bikerace.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I did.
I went there for a bike race.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
That just sounds dumb .
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It was great fun.
Yeah, it does sound a bit dumb.
I was a bit undercooked on thetraining side too, leading into
it and I went back five days out, undercooked, on the training
side too leading into it and Iwent back five days out.
So all the signs were pointingto pull out or cancel.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
but no, but you finished right.
You finished yeah.
Congratulations Everyonefinished.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Everyone who started the race finished the race
Really, which was excellent.
There was 80-odd people, 83, 82, something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We found 80 people to fly to the middle of.
Australia to do a five-day bikerace?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yes, 400 case End of my words, that just sounds dumb.
400 case of racing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, my goodness, Well done.
Congratulations, so that was me.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
How about you, Ben?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It probably sounds like the dumbest thing ever to
most people.
What's the dumbest thing you'veever done?
It's the league leader.
Oh, dumbest thing I've everdone.
Uh, moved to canada canada isawesome canada is awesome.
Canada is awesome, but not.
Not moving to canada wasn't thedumb thing, it was the
circumstances.
So my wife and I were living inLondon and Australians are
blessed we're allowed to travelto most countries, and we were
(03:31):
living in London because of thevisa availability and while we
were there we discovered youcould go to Canada.
But also while we were therethe age limit changed and we
were no longer eligible, so wemoved back to Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
While you were in London, the age limit changed.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, so to go to Canada.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh right right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So we moved back to Australia thinking, oh well,
we've missed that opportunity.
And then the age limit changedagain and I told Tanya about it
and she was like, oh cool.
And so she went off and bookedtickets and and visas and worked
everything out and I thoughtshe wanted to go because she was
putting all the effort into itand she thought I wanted to go
(04:16):
because I'd mentioned it whilewe were living in london, so and
we didn't actually know that wewere going for the other person
until we got there and she saidwell, I don't even like the
snow, so I hope you enjoy thetime here.
And I was just like what areyou talking about?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I'm here because you want to be here I thought you
wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You booked everything .
And she's like, yeah, so, yeah,that was.
That was pretty dumb and wewere married at the time, wasn't
like we weren't talking to eachother, we just completely got
that one wrong.
Hey, yeah, so that's my.
That's not a five-day trip inAlice Springs, that was like a
nine-month trip.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, that's a chunk of it's a big chunk of life.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
That one, yeah, but it costs more too, but the
stories that we got out of itand the learnings that we got
out of it were amazing.
You know, travel is such a giftthat we have in this world.
We turned it into a fun time asyou can.
Awesome, fantastic, butdefinitely, if you ask Tanya now
, she would go straight there.
No-transcript, yeah, talking oftravel though it brings,
(05:26):
obviously we'd love to have aregular travel tip.
I caught on a social media feedthis week an awesome tip that I
want to share and I'll drop thelink into the show notes.
But a guy he's not a listener,at least I don't think he is AP
left his laptop in a hotel andhe was in an international
(05:49):
country on his way to theairport and he actually rang the
hotel and said I've ordered anUber Because you know you can
use Uber for a courier.
Yeah, and the Uber courier wentand picked up the laptop and
basically followed him to theairport, which I mean it's a
very simple solve, right.
But when you think about thestress he would have been under
(06:10):
because no one goes to theairport, which I mean it's a
very simple solve, right, butwhen you think about the stress
he would have been under becauseno one goes to the airport too
early.
It would have been on atimeline to have the wherewithal
to think that through order thecourier ring the hotel, make
sure the laptop was brought downto the lobby, hand it off to
the correct person.
Pretty, pretty, uh, greatproblem solving, I thought so um
(06:33):
it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Lots of moving parts in there and uh, and it lined up
.
Yeah, and I've done it I'vedone it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I actually left my laptop at the office in sydney
and I was on my way to theairport and you, you know, I've
got the device warnings comingup on my Apple phone saying you
know, you've left somethingbehind, and I usually ignore
them because, you know, I'venormally left my you know, my
bag in the hotel room orsomething they ping off all the
(07:00):
time.
Yeah so yeah, that became alesson to me when it said you've
left your laptop behind.
That I should actually you, youknow pay attention to those
sometimes in in this world, wehave notifications and services
that we have on and then don'tuse, and that was a lesson to me
.
So, having having been in theexact situation as this, this
(07:22):
person and the way he solved it,I was, I was impressed.
It resonated with me.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yes, yeah, nice, nice save, nice save indeed yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Hey, we've been getting some listener feedback.
I think listener EL actuallybinge listened to several
episodes because the feedback wegot covered several episode
topics, the first one being shewas adamant that spaghetti
cannot be used in lasagna andshe was very worried about the
(07:54):
nonnas of the world.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Is that because it's not lasagna?
If it's got spaghetti in it,it's something else.
It's like baked lasagna orsomething.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, well, we went with baked spaghetti in the end,
but I think she just found thathighly offensive.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And contentious yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Both boxes ticked Did remind us that we hadn't
actually solved what the bestpasta shape was on that matter,
and put in a vote for macaroni,which I completely disagree with
.
Macaroni is a kid's food.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think, well, macaroni is good for the
impatient.
I think, yeah, quite, becauseit cooks fast.
Yeah, super fast Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But where do you sit on the best pasta shape?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I mean, I think it depends what sauce you're having
with it.
Fancy, are you?
No?
Fancy, fancy.
I'm a big fan of the homemadepesto, actually.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah okay, what do you put with that?
I think it's usually homemadepesto actually.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, okay, what do you put with that?
I think it's usually a penne.
Actually, yeah, that's a faircall.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I like those bow tie ones.
I feel like because you canstab them with a fork, because
you're fancy.
Yeah well, I think that's thefirst time I've ever been called
fancy, but I like being able to.
If I can eat a food one-handed,you know, that's the ultimate
thing for me.
That's why I love chopsticks.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Right yeah, because you can just stab it with one.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's one when it goes really wrong yeah, that's
right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Not so good with peas , but anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No, I'm actually quite adept with chopsticks now.
So, yeah, that's why I lovebeing able to eat this
one-handed.
I don't know why.
Probably because I'm justcompletely useless with my left
hand.
The only thing I can do with myleft hand is brush my teeth.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Really.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Which reminds me a dentist wrote in Richard.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah said once a year is not enough for you to be
dental flossing mate.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, to be fair, I do get my teeth cleaned twice a
year, so I flossed at leasttwice.
Yeah, okay, it's probably thesame rule probably applies.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, we are held accountable by so many people,
by so many listeners yeah, so if, if anyone wants to hold us
even more accountable, certainlyum shoot us an email or send us
a text, join us on the innersanctum and whatsapp.
We've actually started to sharesome videos.
Uh, there, yeah, of tips we'regetting from from our listeners,
(10:22):
which has been really cool.
Hey, the conundrum of the week,mate.
We alluded to this gift givingGift giving yep.
I've got this theory that thereare things that are just too
personal to buy for other people.
Yes, right, and I just wonderedyou know, are you a gift giver?
Where do you sit?
On that?
(10:43):
And I'll give you for context Iwould never buy anyone a watch
or a wallet.
I just think that they're sopersonal especially wallets, you
know, because everyone's gotdifferent amounts of credit
cards, or doesn't carry coins ordoesn't like zippers or
whatever.
I just think that someoneshould be making that choice
themselves.
(11:04):
I know watches are regularlygiven, especially the
higher-valued ones, and that'shard to sort of say no, I don't
like that type of Rolex.
Can I have a different one?
Yes, so that's a bit difficult,but where do you sit?
Is there a line in the sand foryou?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well, there is actually, and so I guess where I
see, you know it's really hardto triangulate what people have
and don't have.
So I think for me it's vouchersall the way, so like movie
voucher or, you know, vouchersto a store or a shop, and then I
can sort of get what I want.
(11:44):
I've got all the stuff that Ineed really there's, and just
you're just giving me more stuff.
That that kind of creates thatsort of almost creates anxiety,
right, when you kind of getsomething from a, from a good
friend, and they kind of giveyou something, you feel
obligated to keep that thingeven though you don't need it,
want it or like it sort of thing.
But you know vouchers,particularly for experiences,
(12:06):
yeah, movie vouchers great lovethe movies, experience vouchers
Is that a?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
sign of our age.
It could be Younger listenerswould be like what are you
talking about?
Just give me stuff.
You know, yeah, how about you.
Well, you've got a house fullof things, and so I love to give
wine, because if I know theperson's a wine drinker or you
know something that can beconsumed, and then there's no
(12:31):
evidence, you know, enjoyed oncethe evidence is disposed of the
evidence.
Yeah you know what I mean,though it's it's, you know,
there's no sort of thing beingleft around that they have to
pretend that they like or enjoy,or you know it's just, or
hopefully you've got it right,because obviously a lot can go
wrong with wine or whiskey orthose types of things as well.
(12:53):
But, um, yeah, that's where Isit.
I um, yeah, the idea for me andmy values are reflected in the
gifts that I give, I guess.
And you know, so givingexperiences and things that I
hope people will enjoy is whereI've tried to position that part
of my life.
But whether I get it right ornot.
Well, someone can write in andtell me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But you better not, or you won't get another one.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Don't write in.
Thank you, I'm a grumpy old man.
Hey, that's it, richard.
Listeners have been BCC'd onour week.
Next week we're going to ask inour conundrum of the week
what's the appropriate amount ofyour neighbor's lawn that
you're allowed to mow?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So see you next week.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Bravo, charlie, club Out, and that's the pod.
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