Love Song of William H Shaw – Episode 138

We are back!  And we are diving into Love Song of William H Shaw.  The third film in the FrenZee series, following Finding FrenZee and Revenge of Zoe, we rejoin our favorite characters John, Pete, and Billy.  This time around John and Pete are at odds, and Billy Shaw needs to figure out how to mend the rift.  Pure Indie film is what you will find here.  We have a lot of good things to say, and important lessons for creatives of all levels.  Jump in for this fairly spoiler-free coverage. Love Song for William H Shaw is not yet in distribution.

Episode Transcript

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But a lot of things have changed since
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cats.
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Supposed to be Lily's dog, but
he's my dog. He's more your dog.
English bull terrier.
Adorable. Named Husker.
Because he's a husky boy. And, yeah, we've
we'll we'll get into the cat situation
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138. So 137
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Ladies and gentlemen, we never missed a week.
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More importantly,
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Yes. B movies,
independent film.

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So if you are new to Bravo for
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Yes.
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pseudo artsy Hollywood type person.
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It's where you learn to get the most
bang for your buck Yes. As far as
filmmaking goes. Because you have no bucks. It's
all bang.
It's all bang.
You gotta make it happen. Yeah.

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So we have a wonderful independent film we're
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Yes. That we were going to do before
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we love movies. We love them so, so

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much. Oh, yeah. And there would not be
the big blockbuster movies, the huge budget movies
without
independent films. Right. Well,
how about How about you tell us about
this movie? I talk about what we're gonna
talk about. Yeah. Alright.

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Give me the stats. See, that's independent film
independent film sound effects. Could fully work.
Yeah. Thank you. By the way, that reminded
me something real quick.
So I didn't know this. Okay. Alright? I
have been a Star Trek fan all my
life.
Right? Yeah.
Knew all kinds of stuff about it. Roddenberry
and behind the scenes and things. But I

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did not know in the beginning of the
opening of the original series when the Enterprise
goes by the screen, it goes
Right? That's not a sound effect. They fought
and fought and fought to find the right
sound,
and the the sound engineer, the guy in
charge,
finally got so pissed off that he walked
into a recording booth, grabbed the microphone, hit

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the switch, and went
that's that's it. That is him.
Amazing. I know.
See?
It's the little things that matter. Anyway,
this week,
we are talking about a movie
that we we longed
to see,

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and,
it's wonderful. So we're gonna be talking about
the love song of William h Shaw
done in 2023,
directed by Cliff Campbell and Marty Cottola,
also written by Cliff Campbell and Marty Cottola.
Good guys. I know.

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And, you know, old b siders, you know
who we're talking about.
Starring Bradford Trojan, Eric Schumacher, Nathan Campbell, Rachel
Netherton,
Christina Pflueger, Julie Schaeffer, Sarah Jackson, Olivia Blake,
and last
but not least,
Jeffrey Notkin. That's right.
Did you hear me? Our boy, Jeff. Yeah.

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Rated r language.
The budget on this was roughly
around 30,000,
and the
log line is simply
Billy Shaw is haunted by frenzy one last
time in an attempt to reunite
estranged John and Pete.

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Now you might be wondering, who are John
and Pete? Well,
so Love Song of William h Shaw is
the 3rd
film,
3rd frenzy film,
following
Billy, John, and Pete on their journey from
turning a comic book into a movie,
into a franchise,

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and all the things that came with it.
Yes. So we had Finding Frenzy.
I can't remember when that date was.
It's a long time ago. It's like 2010,
2012.
I believe so. I don't have our spreadsheets
up right now with Yeah. With all that

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stuff.
Anyway, so here's the thing. This is gonna
be a bit of a well Mhmm. We
don't really do spoiler free. We're gonna talk
about this, but we are not going to
go into the ending
because This movie is not in distribution yet.
Not yet. It has been doing the circuits
for the film festivals
and everything.

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They're still working on distribution.
So like we did with fried berry,
we're going to skip, like, the whole end
bit. But when we get to the end,
we'll talk about some
some things you'll you'll find out. You just
gotta wait and see.
I'll also
put out a little disclaimer.
This movie might be a little confusing if

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you have not seen the other 2 frenzy
films.
Yes.
I'm trying to think both of them. I
thought we're on Tubi.
Love Song is not on any platform yet.
Hence, again, they're doing we're gonna distribution.
But we did get
we saw this last year Mhmm. When they
completed the final edit. They had a watch

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party for everyone, and we got invited. We
were so thrilled. We love these guys so
much. They have been so good to us.
And, you know, go back in the episodes,
folks. We've got interviews with them.
It's just so much fun. They're so magnificent.
And they make a damn good movie.
Thank you. That's the other thing.

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So let's see. What else can what else
is there to say? Yeah. We're not gonna
reveal the ending.
We will, you know, talk about the rest
of it because it is just a lot
of fun.
And we'll put in the notes,
links to the first two films if they're
available online. I know at the very least,
the second one, Revenge of the Zooey, is
available online.

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Finding frenzy might be difficult. Yeah. Revenge of
Zooey, last time I watched it was on
Tubi. Mhmm.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
Alright. Would you, my dear,
like to bring us into this movie?
Let's do it. Alright.

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I don't have the soundboard stuff hooked up
yet, so this is what you get, folks.
We get our own personal Foley effects. You're
welcome.
So we start out,
on an AA meeting,
and we have
our friend Billy, who we've seen in the
first two films of this trilogy.

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Interestingly,
this hasn't happened in the other movies, but
Billy is breaking the 4th wall Yes. In
this AA meeting,
commenting on the fellow who is telling his
story,
you know, in this AA group,
and he's not being very nice. No.
He gets chastised

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by the woman sitting next to him,
who is his girlfriend.
Mhmm.
And he kind
of breaks into this a like, he stands
up and starts talking about
his sobriety
how difficult it's been.
And,

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how difficult it's been for him, for, you
know, his sponsors to have relapsed,
2 of them have died.
Oh god. Yeah. Well, he he does that
whole yeah. I've got 2 years. Anyone else
here have 2 years? Oh, yeah. That wasn't
easy. Anyone else here have a sponsor die
on you? Yeah. I did twice.
Yeah.
Billy's a real pill.

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He also makes sure to call out his
girlfriend, Katie, who is obviously
not pleased about the whole situation.
So he decided to be his own sponsor,
and he's congratulating himself
on his 2 years sober.
Yeah.
And he's giving,

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the I don't know what they call them
in AA groups, but the the person who's
sort of the moderator of the group.
Yeah. I don't know. I just the moderator?
Yeah.
He's given that guy a hard time. And,
eventually, Katie's like, okay.
That's enough public time for you, Billy.
We're gonna go home.

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So then we're in another house. And my
notes are weird here because I
I was trying to write this as though
we were kind of watching movie we hadn't
seen before, you know, without character names and
stuff.
And then
so bear with me on my weird notes.
Same here. Yeah.

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So we've got
John working on his laptop.
His wife asks him, what's going on, Jen?
And he's been working on another script
because he they've successfully sold scripts before. They've
had movies made before. They've they're having money
problems.
And he's complaining about his friend, Pete. John

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and Pete are not getting along.
Right.
Well, Pete wrote a bestseller. Yes.
And they
we didn't see this
in the last one. It's in between the
films.
They had a rift. Yes. Pete's off with
his own comic book shop. He's doing gangbusters.
Yeah. And John's like, you know, we're going

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broke.
Yes. In in what was previously John and
Pete's comic book shop. So
John and Jen are discussing the success of
the frenzy movie and how, like, that was
where everything broke bad
after that.
So,
let me cut to the, original comic book
shop,
which is John's now.

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And,
gentleman behind the counter, none other than our
mister Jeff Notkin,
is talking with John. There's a woman upset
that they didn't get a comic in that
she had been waiting for, and I just
I put it here in all caps, stop.
Raise the screen folks because

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there it is.
Our podcast logo. Our logo. They have this
giant sign,
bravo for the b side podcast. It's the
same thing as the thumbnail that you see,
only a little bigger Yeah. Wider.
They asked us
if they could put it in the movie,
and we were like,

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who asks that kind of question?
Of course,
you can. Of course. But And that is
a fantastic lovely thing that you can do
as an independent filmmaker
is give shout outs to your friends. Yes.
You know?
So sorry to break the momentum, but I'm
still very proud of that. And we had
to keep it quiet

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for so long.
Yes. So long. I have a cell phone.
I had that picture on my desktop.
I open it up every now and again
because they took a picture of it on
the wall. I'm like Yeah.
Like a little kid.
So, anyway, there's our our logo on the
wall behind them. Adam, Jeff Notkin's character,
mollifies her with another rare comic,

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But she says she is going to go
to Pete's and see if he has the
one that she was looking for.
John's face doesn't look very pleased.
So now we're at Pete's comic shop, and
this one's wildly different.
It reminded me of neither one of these
are,
what should we say, Hollywoodized
comic book shops. I was thinking like Big

(19:50):
Bang Theory. Right. We have Stewart's comic book
shop. It was fairly traditional.
A lot of the gitchy gimmicky collectible stuff.
And then there was that one in that
one episode where Bernadette had to go to
replace a comic. Yeah. Like Stewart's mortal enemy.
Yeah. And this thing was
it was so bougie. It was sad. I
mean, oh, man.

(20:10):
So John's comic book shop is as
flat pure shop as you can get. Right?
There's some artwork on the walls. Right. They
got some figures and stuff, but it's just
boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of
comics. Yeah. The white boxes. Yeah. Now we
go to to Pete's,
still white boxes, but it's a little newer

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looking, a little fresher
looking.
Yeah.
So as we're there,
he's giving this rousing positivity
speech to his accountant.
Phone rings and employee picks it up. Peace
Comics, if you don't have it or if
we don't have it,
you don't need it. I love that line.

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It's somebody that wants a frenzy comic, and
we find out that,
John's assistant
sold the comic series that the woman
at John's
comic book that we saw,
that she wanted,
sold it to Pete

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and for cheap. Directly to Pete. Directly to
Pete. Yeah.
Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. So we cut
to John airing his frustration with his assistant,
Adam.
It's a fruitless effort. Adam is just
I love him.
I mean, I love all these characters. But
Yeah. Adam is just very he's taking it

(21:37):
in,
but you also see the churning
wheel of light and goodness in his heart.
And he's just like, you know,
what?
I love the character of Adam. He's so
incredibly weird.
He's just, you know He he just doesn't
grasp the the depth of John's woe.

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But he's also like, well, I I okay.
I get what you're saying. But, however, you
know, we're alive, and today's another day
kind of thing.
Then we come back back to Pete's, and
he's talking about how he's not at all
sorry
about this whole comic thing.
And, you know, it and it's really does

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seem that he and John are clearly deeply
at odds with with one another, because this
is die eventually opposed to their conversations even
when they would argue.
Right?
I mean, that seems like something very serious
has happened and that it is it is
irreparable.
Yeah. It's it it's sad. It's like watching
the aftermath of a divorce

(22:38):
of of yeah.
Okay.
So a woman comes in. It's Pete's wife,
Mona.
She invites Pete to knock off early to
grab some tacos on the way home. And
as other employees come out, they give over
on on Pete's happenings with John.
One employee
is Mona's brother, Earl.

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They all rat him out,
meaning Pete, and Mona is not pleased. So
she leaves without Pete,
and Pete kicks out the staff.
Oh, yeah. I guess that's how you run
a store. But it is Pete.
Love him,
but
he's Pete. Yeah. But he has great shirts.

(23:22):
He does. And can I just pause for
a second? Sure.
So Pete is played by Nathan Campbell. Love
Nathan,
but he pisses me off.
Like me, he's got long hair. He's got
so much more of it. It's so thick.
Why does everybody have thicker hair than me?
Goddamn it. I every it it it was

(23:43):
almost like a a kick in the nuts
every time he was on screen. Because only
one time does he wear it in a
ponytail. So it's just like bobbing
and moving. Yeah. His You luxurious hair. You
thick hair, bitch.
You know? Sorry, Nate. We do love you
We do. And your hair.
And I'll talk to Jim privately about making
his hair thicker. I'm not making my hair

(24:03):
thicker.
It's it's it's doing what it's doing. Anyway,
so We're circling back to Billy and Katie.
Yeah.
So, anyway, the employees all take turns yelling
at him as they're going out the back
door, and it's great. Yes.
So we circle back to Billy and Katie,
and Billy is upset

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that his friends, Pete and John,
didn't show up at his sobriety
ceremony.
She suggests that he should go see them
at Tuscon.
And Billy
says that he
he hates crowds and people, and I love
this line, any more than 2 people, and
he's the asshole, which is true.

(24:48):
2 or more people, and I'm the asshole.
Yeah. So he he's pretty against this.
Sorry.
Are you okay? It's you know, it's just
so funny. It's just that his, like, glaring
moments of just self actualization
are just so
they tickle me. I
Well, he yeah. In the face he has,

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he says it.
He's so incredibly self aware. Yes.
And it's At this point Yeah. Yeah. Well,
I feel like he was before in the
other two movies as well. Like, he was
very self aware, but it just didn't
bother him. Oh, no. No. Maybe we'll discuss
that. Okay. Okay.
So they're at their house, and Katie's

(25:30):
making tacos
while Billy's smoking weed and sculpting clay.
And I I do have to say here,
I I'm realizing watching this as Katie cuts
tomatoes
and pushes them through the hole in the
cutting board.
That's a brilliant idea.
And that's in my notes.
That was distracting me. I was like, my

(25:52):
god.
That's so smart.
You should've shared that with me yesterday when
I was cutting tomatoes for the sandwiches. Were
you using a cutting board?
Well, no. I was using them. Yeah. And
she was, like, dicing them. Oh. Yeah.
So smart.
Anyway,
so she goes to Billy and do do

(26:12):
this kind of homage to the movie Ghost,
which if you didn't grow up in the
nineties,
it it might be lost on you, but,
you should watch the movie Ghost.
It's kind of a wild ride.
Oh, man.
So
as she's doing this, Billy

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sees her
as,
Zoe
or Frenzy.
However you wanna Well, I mean, she's frenzy
in the outfit and, I guess, Zoe
even though he continuously calls her Zoe. Yeah.
The frenzy is her space Her superhero. Superhero
thing, and Zoe is the the secret identity.

(26:58):
Right. Her Clark Kent Yeah. Sort of situation.
Yeah.
And he wigs out for a little bit,
but then things kinda go back to normal.
But that night, Zoe appears to him again,
and
she
never speaks aloud
for at least most of the movie. But
say he wants to know what she wants,

(27:19):
and she just kinda whispers to him.
And he makes the comment that, well, a
sequel would be easier
talking about their movies. Right. So we don't
know exactly what she's asked him.
Apparently, it's gonna be difficult.
Yes.
So now we're with

(27:40):
the girls.
And I I wanna give a shout out
to the women of this movie
because
they're all amazing.
They they are. And just a a note,
before the break, we had it all planned
out. We we talked with the guys. I
know. And with this one, we wanted to
get all the ladies on and just them

(28:01):
as as a group interview.
Yeah. And, hopefully, we can still
wrangle that because these women are brilliant.
Oh,
they're wonderful. And they're all so different and
fantastic and how it's just love them.
So they're talking about the beef between the
boys.

(28:24):
Mona
says, you know, like, oh, well, you know,
he got the better of John.
And then
it starts a little bit of an argument
between Mona and
Jen. Mhmm.
And then Katie comes in smoothly and just
kinda changes the subject.
With salsa.
Salsa.

(28:45):
You can solve any problem with salsa.
Oh, and she has a good line. Do
you have the line? I don't.
She can't well, I don't have it word
for word, but I I noted it. So
she comes in with the salsa.
Change the subject
as long as it isn't why men who
get tats
from women tattooists
always get them near their junk. Oh. And

(29:06):
she says it with such
there's such putricity in the thought.
Right.
And I love it.
Well, in the previous movies before Katie is
with,
Billy, she's a tattoo artist, and she's still
a tattoo artist. Right. But yeah.
So
we jumped to Billy, who's got Zoe with

(29:26):
him again.
And he gets a call from John who
apologizes for missing the ceremony.
And Billy kinda asks him about what's going
on between him and Pete
because he doesn't really understand.
Right.
So he tells John that 3 of them
need to talk about how to patch things
up,

(29:46):
and
John is not
super about it.
So he tells Zoe, well, this isn't gonna
be easy. So we know Zoe has told
him, like, you need to patch things up.
Mhmm. And then he tries to let him
join, and she takes it from him,
this figment of his imagination.

(30:09):
She's gonna make him go to Tuscon.
And Billy breaks the 4th wall again here
saying that when Frenzie disappeared,
well, that he she disappeared when he stopped
drinking.
Right. When he got sober. Because in the
previous films, he would see
Mhmm.
Her on a binge.

(30:29):
Yes. Yeah.
Well, not just her.
All kinds of stuff.
Yes.
But her also. Mhmm. And so he's kind
of confused
because
he thought that that was associated with his
drinking. Right? Yeah. And
John and Pete know. Nobody else knows.

(30:50):
And he's concerned because if she's showing up
again, like, something is wrong,
super, super wrong. Mhmm.
And he's not he knows
that Tuscon isn't gonna go very well.
Well and if he
says anything Mhmm. They're immediately going to assume
he's he's back on the wagon or off

(31:11):
the wagon again. Right. Right.
So we cut to,
some some nice shots of Tuscon.
And then we have Pete and John outside,
both walking in. Now
they both know that they each have to
go.
Right? Because it's it's Tuscon.

(31:32):
And if folks if you don't know what
Tuscon is,
quick reference,
it is
a Comic Con
and
all things related
in Tucson, Arizona.
It's it's not
massive,
but it's fairly decently sized. Mhmm.

(31:54):
It's awesome. We haven't been,
but we've we've heard, like, Jeff talk about
it.
I would love to go.
We
we will get there. We were invited.
We were invited to go to to to
Tuscon to see the The premiere of this
film. Yeah. The public premiere.
But we were unable to. Right. But next
year, maybe we'll,

(32:16):
get a point. I know our friends will
be there.
Oh, absolutely.
So anyway,
so as they're both walking in, they're giving
each other shit, and it's it's that it's
it's like the sibling thing where one's walking
and then one starts walking a little faster.
It's, like, 3 feet ahead and then one
starts walking a little faster, and then they're,

(32:36):
like, running as they come in. And it's
a race to the floor with lots of
shoving
and and everything.
And he's like
because, you know, let's be honest, folks. There
aren't a lot of,
gym membership,
Uber Fit
comic book people.

(32:57):
I'm speaking as 1. Yeah. I mean shop
owner.
What I really like about the the walk
through Tuscon
is the the style of these films is
very straightforward.
Yeah. Right? There are not an there are
not a lot of super complex shots. You
know, it's very much

(33:20):
yeah. It's just straightforward. It's it's it's sort
of Yeah. Good classic framing sort of thing.
Let's roll that to the back end because
there's a whole tube of discussion on that
Okay. This whole thing.
But well, no. I'm just saying we got
way way more to get into on that.
Sure. Yeah.
It makes it easy to watch this happening.

(33:41):
That's the thing.
It
and and and these 2, John and Pete,
the way they're carrying on, just really the
way it shot just kinda makes you feel
like you're there. Mhmm. And just almost almost
makes you go
because we've all been through it, and it
actually makes you feel like,
damn kids.

(34:02):
Stop it.
But as they're doing this,
outside is Billy making his way in
very unhappily. I mean, there's just Bradford is
so good. He is excellent.
He gets in. He gets harassed at the
door for not having a badge.
That conversation
is exceptional.

(34:23):
I'd love to exchange.
Ultimately, he buys 1,
very grudgingly,
and he makes his way,
through the floor to find Pete and or
John.
And a woman he bumps into is all
about him and hits on him, like, twice
heavily
in dismay. And it's really cool. She's she's
a cosplayer.

(34:43):
Yes. Right?
And it's kinda one of those things where
it they play on the mist the mysticism
of her her cosplay
because she's like, you know, no. No. No.
No. And also, there she is.
As he turns, it goes a few feet.
You know?
She's magic.
Yeah.
And she's disappointed.
You know? But she does she does not

(35:03):
know
how close she came to saddling up with
the Titanic. So
Oh my god.
Come on.
Billy is not a catch.
He's he's a I don't I don't know.
I mean He tries. He tries.
So

(35:24):
we,
cut to a small,
I don't know what it was. It's not
really a room.
It's kinda like a half room
kind of thing. Anyway, there's a bunch of
people gathered and there's a screen. So we
see an announcement,
being played on the screen
of the future of the frenzy saga.

(35:44):
And this fellow on the screen
starts out saying how wonderful it has been
so far.
And then he announces, frenzy
5.
Yes.
And people are like,
you know.
And then that's it. Show is over.
So,
Billy, at the back of the room,

(36:05):
walks towards the front to the room to
Ira,
his one time manager.
Mhmm.
We learn Billy is getting residuals for frenzy
12.
Ira is getting them for 34.
And I just wanna mention,
there are so

(36:26):
many
cameos.
Really good cameos.
I am I'm not gonna list them. I
didn't bother because I I want every that's
one of the things I don't wanna give
away.
But look for the cameos, folks. Well, if
we get to do an interview with the
girls or we get to do an interview
with, you know, our our
Pondo boys or Eric or Jeff or

(36:47):
any of them, you guys can can spoil
all the cameos that you want. Yep. That's
their prerogative. That's right. You know, but we're
trying to keep it clean.
But I just I wanna remind
folks,
Jeff Notkin
was a cameo
in the second film. That's right. Yes.

(37:09):
And,
yeah. Now he's in.
You know, it's it's just wonderful.
So, ultimately, we have John and Pete.
They are stuck at a table together Next
to each other. Doing signatures and meeting the
the group. Mhmm.
Someone asked them if they wrote the first
movie,

(37:30):
why weren't they in the credits?
And and then suddenly, Billy shows up,
and they both say he can explain what
happened.
And he's just like, oh, yeah. I took
credit for the film.
It just totally shut them out. Yep.

(37:51):
And then, there's a couple words, and then
Pete and John end up in
a wrestling match.
Yes.
And they tell Billy to go to hell
as he's trying to talk to them through
their wrestling match. Yeah.
Billy tells us the audience, he's like, I
think they like treating each other like this.
Yeah.
And in the first couple of movies, they

(38:12):
did seem to have fun fighting with each
other, John and Pete. It was kind of
their thing. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it was
physical, but nobody ever threw a punch. Right.
It was a slap. Yeah. Yeah. But
So
Billy goes back to his car, and Zoey's
in there in her secret identity costume.
And he's like, this is pointless. Zoey Zephyr.

(38:34):
Yeah.
You know, I kinda wish there were, like,
real Zoe comics. I would I would
read them. I would absolutely
if I had to drive
Yeah. To get them directly from the dude
who illustrated it and, you know, put them
out. Yeah. Yeah. That would be so cool.
Yeah. They look super cute.

(38:55):
So she
holds a knife to his throat. He's like,
seriously, I have not been drinking.
Just a quick note because I put it
in here.
She does not speak one
word out loud
Right. To this point.
So it's all looks and expressions Mhmm. And

(39:17):
he's surmising.
Mhmm.
This one was not real hard to figure
out.
No.
It's pretty clear. And that's something that's really
great about about the actress who plays Zoe
is everything
is very clear even though she doesn't say
any words.
Right.
So

(39:38):
we are back at John's house,
and he is
arguing with Jen.
They're
they're trying to have a baby,
and she's a little frustrated.
And if you've watched the first couple of
films,
John and Jen's sex life
is really fun.

(39:59):
It's it's it's it's all about role play.
Seems like a blast. Yeah.
But he's preoccupied
with Pete,
but she doesn't care that he's preoccupied with
Pete.
I'm ovulating. It's happening.

(40:21):
And then Pete's doing the same thing at
his house,
you know, talking about his fight with John,
and
Mona is not interested at all.
I just I love how no one else
in this movie cares about John and Pete's
fight. They're just like
seriously.
I know.
It's it's I don't have time for this.

(40:45):
They hear music start playing, and it's Billy
outside with,
a speaker.
So, folks,
this is it's not a it's not a
cameo.
No. But it's an homage? It's an homage.
He's out there like Lloyd Dobler.
Instead of a big boom mocks,

(41:06):
it's a tiny Bluetooth speaker.
It's making sound, but it absolutely
Yeah. Yeah.
From from the time say anything was made
till now,
a lot has changed, but it was beautiful.
That's wonderful.
And he kinda lays it all bare for

(41:28):
Pete here.
You know, like, saying Zoe's back.
You know,
this is bad. Mhmm.
Right? Please help me with this, and Pete
doesn't believe him.
And in fairness to Pete, you know,
Billy's been the boy who cried wolf
a few times. Yeah. Well, even Mona, towards

(41:49):
the end, she sticks her head out Yeah.
To hear just a little bit, and she's
just like, nope. Shut it down. Mhmm.
So there is,
there's a frenzy movie playing when Billy gets
home,
which is awesome.
So he tries to talk to
Katie about Pete and John,

(42:10):
and she's she's kinda like, why is this
so important?
You know?
And he kind of dodges
around it a little bit saying, oh, well,
they they saved me.
I don't have anybody else, but he's not
telling her about Zoe.
Right. At which point she says, well, as

(42:32):
long as, you know, you're not doing the
crazy stuff,
we're still okay.
So then we're back in his pottery area,
and Zoe appears again.
And she shows
him orgasm.
And as he he deduces

(42:52):
that she wants him to turn that last
comic into a movie.
And she shows him this vision of, like,
how things could be, and it's all beautiful
things, like him and Katie and a baby.
Right. You know?
And it's this beautiful dreamy sort of sequence.
I wanna just cut in. Uh-huh. So that
she mentions it's Nick's last

(43:14):
comic. And they're talking about Nick LaVine,
who in the second film
we we love everybody. We love them all.
All the actors, all the characters. But let
me tell you Nick stole the show. Nick
stole we, yep, we wanted a Nick LaVine
figure. Yeah. So if you remember from the
second film, Nick LaVine was the one you
didn't see. Wasn't a talkie guy. Oh. Long

(43:35):
hair
and just kinda Weird. Yeah. Oh, man. It
was a beautiful, like, acid trip singing with
him and everything. Desert. Yeah. Yeah.
And then she shows him what will happen
if they can't reconcile,
and it's not good.
Right. It's
it's bad.

(43:55):
Yeah.
So he says, well, I might need some
help.
So the next day, we're back at Peach's
shop, and they're setting up for Nick LaVine
day.
And, this is where I I noted Nick
was our our favorite,
in the second film.
And it they'd have this whole I I

(44:15):
just I love this. This when people who
love movies
make movies,
it is
amazing.
This whole movie is a love letter to
movies. It it really is. It's it's
Billy Shaw. It's not just his love letter
to,
you know, frenzy and his friends. It's just
film. Yeah. Right?

(44:38):
It it so it's this whole eighties style
montage with music and the dancing around and
doing the things,
and it just
I loved it.
Juxtaposed
with?
Mhmm.
We go to John's shop,
and we have shots of them prepping.

(44:59):
Oh my god. Prepping for Nick Lafene Day
as well.
Adam doesn't seem to be very good at
this kind of thing though.
We don't have a lot of dancing going
on.
It doesn't look like Pete's. Adam is good
at
He is.
But we do get treated to Adam's very
poor customer relation skills,

(45:21):
as he drives a customer
straight to Pete's. Yes. You know, not physically,
but just like the guy Directly. Yeah. They
couldn't get out the door fast enough, and,
you know, they just arrow shot right to
Pete's.
John comes out and asks if they need
to go over de escalation techniques again.
I wanna say And I love that. Do
we need to go over de escalation tech

(45:42):
techniques again?
So,
I forget her name, the other girl who
works in this store. Tanya.
Tanya? Tanya. Okay.
So both Tanya and Adam are not just
rude to customers.
They're weird.
Like, it goes beyond rudeness
Yeah. And into the, like,

(46:04):
really, really weird
area.
Well, yeah. They're not, like, hatefully rude.
They're just they're, like,
sociopathically
disassociated
Yeah. From what's happening on happening
rude. Yes.
Hence, the de escalation techniques. I just I
love that. These little lines.
So,

(46:25):
Tanya,
who,
defends Adam to John.
A note on her. She's amazing.
Oh, yeah. She she is. She stares at
Adam with this haunting expression
that you just know she's like
Oh, yeah. Right? In their weird way. Mhmm.
But it's it's it's awesome. She's clearly into

(46:46):
him. And when you're watching, just she because
sometimes she's like on on, like, the far
edge of, like, the left side of the
screen,
just, like, sticking out from a a row
of comics or something. But just look for
that face. Look for those expressions.
Like, when she's not actively on camera,
you know,
I they're just delightful.
I I loved seeing her every second. Like

(47:08):
Well, I hate It's just like an Easter
egg. We're being its own Easter egg for
the sake of being an Easter egg. Well,
I know. I might be wrong, but I
feel her character is a little bit of
an homage to, like, The Addams Family.
I think so. Feels a little bit Wednesday
Yeah. Addams to me. Yeah. Old old style.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess the Christina

(47:30):
Ricci version
is is
still kinda kept with some of that. Mhmm.
But I'm I always think, you know, original
Adam's family because, yeah, these guys were
something.
Anyway, after all that, we are back at
Pete's.
And we have some hardcore
comic customers

(47:51):
all ramped
up because there are no more frenzy comics.
Meant to be funny, and it is, this
whole scene.
But I I I wrote in here, but
the dark truth
is
it is not an exaggeration.
No. No. It isn't.

(48:11):
And, I mean,
I don't know how to explain it. Folks,
if you've been to if you're into comics,
into graphic novels
and, hopefully, you're not one of these people.
Because if you are, you wouldn't know. There
can be a dark side to There is
a dark side. They get mean. Yeah. I
mean, they get mean. You know? This is
Yeah. This is serious.

(48:32):
And I'm not saying that to, you know,
like, piss on it or anything.
It's a very serious thing. I used to
collect comics,
Right? As a kid. Yeah. They all got
stolen from me.
It was years years years.
I've got 2 little boxes sitting behind you.
Just some favorite things that I'd see every
now and again. I'm like, oh, I had

(48:53):
that. Oh, I had that. You know? You
pick them up. So
I'm not ultra dedicated, but, oh, man, I've
been in the shop when they have those
people come in, you know, comic day. They've
arrived. Why aren't they out?
Oh, I know. Why aren't they priced? Why
aren't they organized? Why is there a stack
of comics over there that aren't bagged and
cardboarded? Right? Bags and boards bags and boards.

(49:14):
Where is you know?
Anything that has a serious fandom is like
that. I waited in line for Harry Potter
books as a kid, and, oh, boy. Oh,
yeah. I'll tell you.
Contentious.
It is.
So I get it, and they did make
it funny, But I I love how the
element of realism was injected into it. Mhmm.

(49:36):
You know, for that.
Let's see.
I lost my thing. Oh, here we go.
So at Billy's,
Katie, Jen, and Mona are having drinks.
Katie tells them she is worried about Billy,
that he's acting weird.
That's
that's a hard one.

(49:56):
That's a hard one. They're sweet friends, these
girls. Oh. What I wrote in my notes
because I really enjoyed their interactions here. Yes.
Yes. Well, in this movie, I love that
the men in this movie are just Rex.
Even though Billy's sober
Mhmm. He's still Billy Yeah. Who inherently is
a wreck.
Right?

(50:17):
And all 3 of these guys are just
wrecks.
It it's
it's just that old adage behind every great
man. And these aren't great guys. I mean,
I mean,
they're not there's no greatness.
They're not like the king of the comic
book shops.
The you know, whatever.
But, you know, they're decent guys,

(50:39):
fucked up, but they've got really good women
behind them who, without them, especially Billy Yeah.
Because we've seen what he's like without a
woman behind him to shore him up.
Yeah. They're they're just awesome,
and they're subtle.
They're not like,
you know,
we're gonna just do this. No. They they

(50:59):
do their little nudges and their stuff, or
they just ignore them, you know, like with
Mona in bed. You know, just reading her
comic book.
Yeah. You'll stop talking one of these.
So, anyway,
Katie's worried about Billy because he's acting weird.
Jen is down because she's not pregnant yet.

(51:21):
And immediately, the other 2 were just like,
woof. Yes. You know,
hug hug puddle.
Mhmm.
Being supportive and encouraging to her.
And, yeah, it was
I I I just I love the balance.
And we're gonna talk about all this in
greater detail. But the balance of this scene
was fantastic.

(51:42):
It it hit and but it was sweet.
Yeah. And and at the end,
it was
uplifting and encouraging.
You know, just this
this tight little group of of women, the
the friendship.
Yeah. You know? I've I've some things to
say later. Oh, excellent.

(52:02):
Okay. So
then we're at Pete's.
1 of the staffers, Owen,
is deep sleeping on the floor
underneath
a
table
as Pete sits at his desk tossing crumpled
up dollars at him
like he's trying to make a shot.
The accountant from earlier, Sarah,

(52:25):
is leaving.
Pete asks if she'll still or if she's
still helping John
with his books and how he's doing.
And I love it. Sarah just looks at
him and tells Pete to
call John.
Ask him. Yeah.
Then we're at John and Jen's. And the

(52:45):
best continuous thing about these films is John
and Jen's weird sex stuff.
The role play. It's my favorite bit.
Every time, it's so it's so just fresh
and funny.
There's a lot of effort that goes into
them. Yes. These are not just like,
you know, throw on a sailor hat
kind of things. These are real serious

(53:07):
roleplaying costumes.
Right. Or just like some stupid dialogue and
or, you know, like, oh, are you here
to fix my pikes?
Yeah. Oh, no. No. This is
this is production level stuff.
But Jen isn't into, you know, John's efforts
for this this night.

(53:28):
She's still upset about, you know, not being
able to have a baby.
So then we jumped to the store, John's
store, and we get another cameo,
someone trying to sell the store some comics.
Yeah.
And
Adam is being so truly weird again.

(53:50):
I'm
I'm not gonna spoil it because I know
it's better to watch it. But his whole
charade that he goes through here
is just
just, you know,
chef's kiss. Yes.
And
Tanya
is 100%
Supportive. In it with you. Yes. Yep.

(54:11):
Delightful.
And then we see Billy
kind of being followed around by Zoe again.
And we get a montage of things not
going well for Billy,
arguing with Katie,
you know, she can't then she's talking to

(54:31):
Pete. She can't find him.
He's gone and bought a bottle.
He's lying, this has always worked before.
Mhmm.
And Zoe is trying to stop him, but
he's drinking anyway. Well, let me let me
go back a bit. Yeah. So
in in all this,

(54:52):
when she's,
you know, calling and she gets a hold
of Pete
and she brings up frenzy,
Pete immediately hangs up
and heads out to look for Billy. Yeah.
Because he knows
the level
of what

(55:12):
that
means.
Yes.
Now
I think
This is probably a good place. This is
where we're gonna stop. There's still a good
chunk
for the ending. Yeah.
But
let's let's stop it here. Okay.

(55:33):
I will say this though. Okay? Folks, watch
this all the way through the credits
to the very very end. Oh, you have
a little cut scenes? There are some cut
scenes Massive. Style that are beautiful.
And I just yeah. I I
I love them. I'm glad they did them.
Oh, yeah.

(55:54):
So
yeah.
We'll leave it at that. Alright.
Alright.
So let's get into this
discussion piece.
Let's talk about stuff. Yeah.
So first of all, see this movie.
Yes. See it and see it again and
again and again and again. Watch all 3

(56:14):
of them. Binge it.
Because
it's so fun.
It really is. And one of the things
that makes it fun is what we were
talking about. The way it's written, the way
it's shot,
and let's let's talk about those things. Okay.
So first of all, no matter how you
shoot a movie,
it's shit if the writing's no good. True.

(56:39):
The the Pondo boys,
Flip and Marty, they
nothing they they do is elevated. And by
that, I mean,
they don't take it to the oomph
level.
Well, they're not pretentious.
Ex exactly.
You know?
They they just

(57:00):
it's just real.
Yeah. Conversations are real. The antics
are real.
You know, if you've lived any amount of
time
outside of a bedroom or your basement,
you know, interacted with people,
this is how people
speak.
Yes. And this has been like our biggest

(57:20):
problem with a lot of movies, you know.
All the rules for writing scripts, you know,
2 sentences, 3 at most. Keep it short.
Keep it quick. Keep it doing this, you
know. And then I think, like, to, you
know, Glenn, Gary, Glenn Ross, like, there's whole
diatribes.
Oh, yeah. And it's
gorgeous.
It is. Right? Yeah. You know? Because that's

(57:40):
how we talk. We don't talk in
I've got 90 minutes to get a whole
bunch of shit out, and we have to
have a discourse. So it's gonna be 1
word, 2 words, 1 word, 2 words, 1
word, 2 words. Well, I mean okay. There's
the movie the film The Room.
Yes. No one in real life talks like
anybody talks in the room, and I don't
know how that got past.

(58:01):
You know? I don't know how that didn't
occur
to Tom our
our lovely, lovely Tommy Wissow
Yeah. Who I adore.
We love Tommy.
But nobody talks like that. And on that,
folks, go back You just gotta know that.
Go back and find our our episode on
the room.
I'm looking at a Tommy bobblehead.

(58:23):
I'm looking at the script
from the room that Tommy signed.
Right. Right? Directly to you. Yes.
And we have blind. And we have a
pair of his underwear.
That's right.
Not not not his
that he wore. No. But his line. His
his unique line of underwear. And if we
ever meet him, I have questions about this

(58:43):
underwear. I have a lot of questions. Just
period. I just I really just wanna know
about the underwear. I wanna know what
what is the situation there. It has a
pocket. It has a weird little pocket on
the inside that can maybe fit a pen.
Like, a pen Yeah. In it.
So it's not enough there's a banana pouch.

(59:03):
Right. It's got a pocket. I've never in
my life put on underwear of any kind
and thought, if only I had a pocket.
But, anyway,
these conversations are real. Even the kind of
slapsticky relationship
between John and Pete,
that's very real.
Oh, there are friendships that are like that.

(59:25):
Absolutely. I had some
way early on in life, and that's just
how it is. And it's what makes every
person in here relatable.
Mhmm.
And
that is the gold standard.
You want
everything you write to be relatable
to the audience.

(59:45):
Mhmm. And these guys do every single time
they've done it. Well and that's something I
wanna bring up too, the conversation between the
girls when Jen's talking about her struggles with
having a baby. Mhmm.
You know, I've got my girls
that I
talk to,
and their

(01:00:07):
their relationship is a very real female friendship
relationship.
You know?
And
that is something that was
sort of surprising to me, considering the script
is written by 2 men. No offense to
Cliff and Marty.
But
it it it is a shock as as
a woman to to see that Mhmm. In

(01:00:28):
a film, and it's a pleasant shock. Yeah.
You know?
So that's something that I really appreciate.
Well, I wonder if they had
A consultation.
A consultation.
Because
there's all these fantastic women. Yeah.
You know?
Well, so from an actor's perspective,

(01:00:49):
right,
As an actor,
never be afraid
to approach the the director
and say, hey.
You know, if you're if you're in the
shooting aspect of it or even doing, like,
script reviews, read throughs and stuff,
I don't think she would say this. I
don't think this character would talk like that.
Or quite frankly, you know,

(01:01:11):
this isn't how we've been taught.
Right?
Don't be afraid because your job as an
actor
is to take the written word and portray
it as realistically as you can for that
character.
Mhmm. Right?
And if it
if it doesn't hit,
say something. It's your job to say something.
Right? Now in Hollywood, in a films,

(01:01:34):
you hear about people losing their jobs
and getting fired from productions because they're just
like, this is I mean, if you're a
tool
Yeah. You're gonna get booted. Right? But there
are a lot of directors out there who
just don't they they have such an ego.
It can't take it.
Can't take it. Yeah. But on the other
hand, there are some very powerful

(01:01:55):
long time directors
who fully understand
that filmmaking is a collaborative,
creative
process. Yes. And if you have an actor
who is entrenched in this part, they come
to you and they say,
this doesn't work.
I don't see how this works.
A good director would say, okay. How about

(01:02:15):
we do it this way first,
and then let's see what you've got? Let's
do 2 takes.
Yeah. Right? Because because you never know. I
mean, as an actor, you could be wrong,
and there's nothing wrong with that. Collaboration
is
finding the right
in all the little pieces and putting them
together.
So,

(01:02:36):
you know, these folks,
they just nail it. You know? And as
far as as,
actors,
Bradford
as Billy,
he has always been magnificent with this character.
Yes. It's, you know, and it's almost like
he just, like, puts Billy on

(01:02:56):
like like a suit,
and there's just nothing left of Bradford in
there. He just becomes
Billy,
and it's just wild. His expressions,
his faces, his intonations,
everything
makes him
you just you just wanna keep watching.
And, I mean, that's the key. Yeah. That's
the key. So

(01:03:18):
the the writing in this, like I said,
it's not elevated to a point where they're
going for gimmick.
Right. It's it's straight on. It's and it's
constant all the way through.
That's the thing.
I I just admire it. It it is
such a joy.
And then the actors doing and, of course,

(01:03:39):
you know, then there's the directors.
Oh, yeah. I mean Well, let's not forget
the directors. Yeah. I mean, you got a
bunch of guys in the in the orchestra
pit. You need somebody
to keep them in time and to keep
it moving.
Cliff and Marty have an excellent sense
of timing and pace.
Yes. You never
get bored.
And I there's movies that I like

(01:04:01):
a lot
that have moments where I'm like,
we're to this part again. You know, so
even in the big
big movies,
there's bad parts.
We won't get you. We're not gonna get
into the success of what the show is
about. We could we could have a 150
hour long constant episode on all the big
movies

(01:04:22):
that were
shit or had bad parts or things wrong
with it, blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,
this is awesome
because
we've got great directors,
got great actors all around,
and the writing is good. Now
let's talk about the shooting.
Yes.
Go for it. So

(01:04:43):
all these movies are very straightforward, Ridley shot.
Classic,
you know, classic framing.
It's it's
there's not a lot of, like, huge rule
breaking as far as the filmmaking goes, and
there's nothing wrong with that. That's perfectly fine.
But they got permission to film at Tuscon.
Yes.

(01:05:03):
And So that is the real deal, people.
Yes. And what was really fun
about the way they shot at Tuscon was
it was like they let their hair down,
and they just got, like,
they just it you can tell in the
way that those shots are framed,
the walk through

(01:05:23):
shot, that they just had a lot of
fun with it, and that everyone there had
a lot of fun with it.
And I really enjoy that because it gives
it such a warm,
lovely feeling Mhmm. Watching those scenes.
And
I think that's my advice is that, like,
have fun with it.
You know?

(01:05:44):
Follow the rules and stuff. But when you
have something
like that,
have fun with it because that's gonna come
through.
Well and here's the thing. So I can
think of quite a few movies that,
had permission to shoot, like, a at San
Diego Comic Con. Right. Right?
Or any of these other big things.
And

(01:06:06):
they'll they'll set up shots
to capture, like, you know, the the the
broad
broad shots of everybody moving in the booths
and the stuff. Right? Mhmm. But then when
they cut
to our whatever the actors are
doing,
there's a
palpable
change
in feeling.

(01:06:26):
Yeah. And
you just it's like
that
Did you,
you didn't put yours on do not disturb
me? I did not. My watch just told
me to go to bed. What?
We have to come in here with, like,
no devices.
We won't get into it. There have been
issues.
So, but, anyway,

(01:06:48):
and there there is nothing worse than getting
into a movie and then getting ripped out
Oh, I know. Of it because of bad
edits,
bad choices.
Right?
This,
they had fun
with Tuscon,
but it fit
perfectly.
Yes. It's the tone.

(01:07:10):
And I think it's because
the way they write
and the way this was was shot and
directed and everything
is this is who they are.
Right?
They met Jeff at Tuscon.
Right. It's by nerds.
Not the podcast,
but the genuine article.
Yeah.

(01:07:32):
So
it yeah. It it
it's easy to watch.
It's engaging.
It keeps you
wanting to see what's coming next. Mhmm. You're
not looking for anything except for Tanya
in the periphery.
You know? Keep an eye out for Tanya.

(01:07:53):
She'll sneak up on you. Yeah.
It just it's just so well done. I
I
I don't know how to, like, nitpick it
to talk about all the good things.
It's just overall done. Watch this.
And if you're gonna be behind the camera,
think about this.
Right?

(01:08:14):
The big
the biggest thing we've always talked about is
write what you know.
Mhmm. Shoot what you know.
Right?
And I we we have watched a lot
of, like, short films.
We have watched a lot of
indie and and b movies
where they try so

(01:08:37):
hard
to emulate
and move beyond
the the tentpole
film
formula.
Right?
And that's the worst thing you can do.
It's worst thing you do. So we've talked
about Netflix. Mhmm. Netflix has, like, a template.
Everything on Netflix looks and feels and smells
the same.

(01:08:59):
Yeah. Right?
Even,
like, the the Korean films that we have
enjoyed, the series. Right. There's it's
They look they look and sound like every
other Netflix production. Yeah.
And I you know, just stop doing that.
Be you.
Just be

(01:09:19):
you.
Write your thing. Shoot your thing. Don't worry
about
are you spot on on the color correction.
Right. You know what?
You just do what you can.
Do what you can. Mhmm. If you like,
if you're just starting out,
you'll get it. Right? 5th film in, you'd
be like, oh, yeah. This is how it's
supposed to be. And you'll look at your
other films and be like, yeah. I can

(01:09:41):
see now
where I just missed the mark.
Yeah. You know? But that's a badge of
honor.
There's nothing wrong with getting better.
There's nothing wrong with learning. Do in life.
Right? Yeah. There's nothing wrong with learning from,
you know, things that you're doing. There's, an
adage that goes around that's the ceramics class
teacher. I don't know if you remember it.

(01:10:02):
Where he, like, splits the class in 2
and says to one half of the class,
you're gonna be graded on how many pots
you make
over the course of the semester Mhmm.
By, like, how many in weight. Right. You're
going for quantity.
And he tells the other half, you're going
for quality.
Right? You can make one pot, but it
needs to be a perfect pot.

(01:10:25):
And at the end of the semester,
right,
the best pots in the class are the
ones that have made quantity.
Right? Yeah. Because they've just been banging them
out, getting better every time,
or there's the ones who focused on quality
have
not made anything.
Right? Right. They have not made a perfect

(01:10:46):
pot because they've spent all semester
trying to figure out what would be the
perfect pot to make Yeah. What's that recipe?
Instead of just doing it. The dynamics, the
engineering behind it. Right.
Yep. Well,
and and you can see that in, like,
not just film,
but you can see it in, you know,
houses and every I mean, just the world
around us. It's become so

(01:11:07):
right? Because everyone's trying so hard to be
the next whatever
in whatever it is they're doing,
and they're just missing the boat. Meanwhile, the
people who are getting noticed,
the people who are having fun and becoming
successful,
or even not success because lord knows, we've
said this many times.
If you're involved in any of this, you're

(01:11:27):
mental.
Right. There's something wrong with you mentally, because
we,
as creatives,
can't function with a normal mind.
It would kill us. If you can be
happy doing anything else Yeah. Anything at all,
do that thing. Do that thing. Because this
is, like, just sorrow and rejection and disappointment

(01:11:48):
and all kinds of stuff. I mean It's
hard. Well, we
tried to launch a campaign. Well, we did
launch a campaign
for a short film Yeah. That we wanted
to make.
And
it didn't go as we had hoped,
so we had to pivot.
We're still pivoting. There's a lot of pivots
going on. Mhmm.
But, you know, its day will come.

(01:12:11):
It will. Well, not for nothing. That script
that we wanted to shoot. I was wondering
if you were gonna mention it. Oh, yeah.
I'm gonna mention it. We worked too long
and hard at this stuff to let shit
like that blow by.
Most of you b siders, you had you
know that we have had scripts going to
contests, and we've done quarter finalists, semifinalists.

(01:12:31):
We've never we always the bridesmaid, never the
bride. We've always been so
close, but, you know, there can be only
1. Yes. And we just had but we
finally made it to the finalists
Yes. Out of, like, 1300
total
scripts.
There are 11 finalists? There are 11 finalists.
That's crazy to me. We made it.

(01:12:54):
And we think it's a great little short,
and we wrote it to be economical.
And this is something what we're talking about.
Write what you know, shoot what you know.
K. So we don't know
about 15 locations
and getting equipment here and there, and and
if making this film, it would be just
us. Yeah. We are the only 2 people,

(01:13:14):
with possibly if we had, budgeted for a
makeup person. Mhmm. Right? And a costumer, because
it's period piece.
But they're, you know, temporary.
Right? And then the actors, you know, budgeted
for them to get paid appropriately.
It's stag wages
people even though we're not involved in any
of that. You know, we're
we're gonna pay people. Let's try and pay

(01:13:35):
them right. Yeah. But, anyway,
didn't work out.
It just it just didn't work out.
But we're still gonna keep pushing it like
this, and the grand prize is it gets
made.
Which would be amazing. Yeah. And that's a
little,
FYI folks. If you do enter
your scripts

(01:13:55):
into a contest, make sure it's a contest
that has something to do with you getting
a meeting
with somebody
Mhmm. Or getting it made or at least
a grant
or something towards it. If you're in contests
just to win money, like $5,000
for first prize, it's not gonna help you
at all. Might help pay the bills,

(01:14:15):
right,
for a short period.
But you you're you're Go for progress. Move
forward. Yeah. You want something to actually happen.
And if it's not gonna get made, you
wanna sit down with somebody who makes movies.
Yeah. Right? That's the grand prize. That's what
you want.
That's kinda part of why we started
that we were anxious

(01:14:37):
to bring this podcast back is because
what we gained from doing this podcast was
not money.
Clearly.
And that wasn't what it was for. I
mean, obviously, we want to not, you know,
go broke trying to keep this podcast on
the air. But
we're not in it to, you know,

(01:14:58):
become famous podcasters or make a ton of
money from it. That's not what it's for.
What we gained from doing this podcast before
we took our break was we made
so many friends
and and connections Mhmm.
And and just meaningful
interactions
with people in our tribe who are interested
in doing what we're interested in doing. Yeah.

(01:15:19):
And that was the value that this has
to us.
Yes.
I mean, on that note so, yeah, we
they're not just friends. They're they're they're connections
to a world
we love living in. Yeah. Right? So it's
not just that, you know, hey, I know
this guy here. It's like, I know this

(01:15:41):
guy who does, you know, all this stuff.
Right? Yeah. And we get exposed to it.
I mean, we've had
we just we never imagined. I think we
mentioned this in an episode or 2 way
back.
We just never imagined we would meet so
many fantastic
people. And I'm gonna go all the way
back to our first episode.
Yeah. You know? Space Trucker Bruce.

(01:16:06):
No.
Yeah. Space Trucker Bruce. I thought Bad Taste
was our first. Space Trucker was our second.
Chase Trucker Bruce was our first episode. Was
that? Yeah. Mhmm. I have to look now.
It was. Okay. I love you. I love
you.
Anyway, Anton

(01:16:26):
Anton Doiron? Doiron?
I Doiron? Doiron.
I I you know what? I will never
say his name. Anton, I am so, so
sorry. And I just
you know what?
Laid the hate.
Yes. I deserve it. I wanna watch Girl
Yeti in a spaceship so bad.
Anton. So we did space trucker Bruce. Mhmm.

(01:16:47):
And we covered that whole thing, and we
had an interview with him and, Carl.
Mhmm. And,
you know, played space trucker Bruce,
Carl Sears. And,
you know, they they told us about him
building a set in his he did all
this by himself. He built sets
in his house, in his kid's room.
It was just wild.

(01:17:08):
But
the the one thing about it is
that this movie,
Love Song, William H. Shaw,
and Space Truck or Bruce
are pure independent film. All the aggravation. It
took forever
for Anton to get that made. And Girl
Yeti in a spaceship

(01:17:29):
He's doing it all on his own, and
it's taken an age. He's been rocking that
since we started this. But he's doing it.
Right? 2019 is when we first started. Yeah.
It's 2024,
and he's still putting updates
on because he does all of his modeling
in Blender. He does all the renderings and
everything.
Mhmm.
And it takes time.

(01:17:51):
If you want
to make a movie in 90 days
and then
have it, like, ready to rock,
you're
you're in the wrong business.
Yeah. If you're trying to do it on
your own, you know. Yeah. You got big
money behind you. You can hire people to
do all the stuff. But Yeah. But if

(01:18:12):
you got big money behind you, you wouldn't
be listening to this podcast
about b movies and independent films. You'd be
listening to somebody talking about the the blockbusters
and the 150 to
$500,000,000 budgets
for, you know,
Robert Downey Junior is supposed to be getting,
like, an insane amount for playing doctor Doom.
You know? That's that's a world that we

(01:18:33):
don't understand.
And, you know but, anyway,
you you have to love this, and it's
a slow process. And like I said, it's
painful.
It's,
you know, Kyle Hester
is still trying to get preacher 6 going.
And we will be talking to him at
some point too. Get him on and just

(01:18:56):
talk about what it's like. I can't wait
to talk to Kyle again. I know. He's
he's awesome. I watch his videos
all the time
because, you know, a, it helps.
Yeah. Make sure I click the like button
and, you know,
And and Lowell Dean's got a new movie
coming out too. Dean's got a new one
coming out. Silas has been working on a

(01:19:17):
series.
Yes. Silas Doll. I mean, there's all folks,
there's all these people that that we've met,
and we get to keep track of and
share in their successes. And I think that's
the biggest thing. Yes.
Deciders
that we want to impart upon you. Yes.
You wanna be successful. Yes. You wanna get
your stuff done. But you know what? Make

(01:19:37):
those connections.
Help
people
as you can.
But more importantly,
revel in their success.
Celebrate it. A 100%.
Because we are all a single tribe. If
all the hunters go out and only 2
come back with food, don't get pissy.
Revel in their success.
Yeah. Because as they succeed,

(01:19:59):
I know it's sometimes hard to clock this,
but
that successful
hunter
feeds us all.
Yeah. Right? We all benefit from the success.
Because every independent filmmaker
or or b movie that just, like, breaks
out of the pen and goes wild.

(01:20:20):
Right?
It's a clear signal
these things work.
The audience loves this kind of stuff. And,
yeah, this is where money could go and
should go. Right. Right? One day, it'd be
awesome
if
If the big studios became obsolete because,
you know Or just switch their shit around
and be like, you know what? We could

(01:20:40):
make 50 movies
for every fucking Marvel film
that,
you know And the money they put into
those movies, if they split that up, you
know, to
300,
500 different independent films. Well, let's look at
this because you Imagine the content they could
get. Do you remember when we were talking
to Cliff

(01:21:00):
and and the guys, right,
in the interview?
And
Cliff commented, well, I wouldn't know what to
do with $50,000.
You know? Right. That's the kind of thing.
So this was roughly 30,000. So let's take
30,000 for this wonderful movie.
What would you do with 300,000,000? How many
of these movies can you make? It's real
simple. Just, you know, do the math. It's

(01:21:22):
tense.
And we will always maintain these movies have
more heart
or and and not just like an interromantic,
you know,
I don't even know what I'm looking for.
Just the romanticism of movie making. La Vie
Boehm. You know. Yeah.
You know, it it's it it's the heart

(01:21:43):
of cinema.
This is why movies were made. You know?
It it is an art. Yeah. And as
humans, we need art.
Yes.
We do.
Yeah.
You do. Yeah. Art helps us to contextualize
our lives and give them meaning.
Yes. Well, and art helps us interpret

(01:22:07):
the things around us in
either a different way
or a more appreciative way
or makes us more insightful.
Right? You see you just when you can
see something just a little bit different,
your world can change.
Your whole path
can go, you know, one one direction you

(01:22:29):
never thought.
We have 3 indoor cats
and, like, 7 outdoor cats
I'm here in the middle of fucking nowhere.
I'm allergic to cats. And no mice.
But we have no mice. Right?
It's amazing.
But, oh my god.

(01:22:50):
Not anything I would have ever thought would
happen. If you'd have told me,
you know, 5 years ago
or further back, this is where you're gonna
be, we're like, you know, you need to
lay off a crack.
Mhmm.
Right?
But here we are because we had those
moments
Mhmm.
That
rather than

(01:23:12):
looking at from, like, a utilitarian
approach, which is kinda how I approach life.
It is how you approach life. Utility
oriented,
but I think that's tempered with
looking beyond the pale. Right? Yeah. You know,
it's well, hold on. And we had a
discussion, and, you know, I was I was
on I looked at it a different way,

(01:23:34):
and I was on board. Yeah. I wanna
do this. Like, you know what? I'm there.
Yeah. I'm a much more leaf in the
wind kind of person. Yeah.
But because I can do that, yeah, it
it makes it easy to make these kinds
of decisions. Mhmm. And it's been rough
because,
you know

(01:23:54):
it's been a lot harder than I thought
it would be, and there have been a
lot of twists and turns and surprises. And
But here we are. Yeah. You know, that's
the bottom line. Here we are,
and we're back into
pushing to do our thing. Because not only
are we doing the podcast again, BS McGillicuddy
is gonna fire up again. Mhmm. Gonna get
some more of those episodes up because I

(01:24:15):
love doing them because if there's anything I
love to do is rant.
And what's better than an alien rant. Alien
ranting about the stupid shit that goes on
on this planet.
But we're also going to be moving into
the the filmmaking.
And we're gonna just do what we can.
Yeah. Do what we can. We got some
ideas. We just spend a few $100 to

(01:24:35):
get some
mechanical things to make this, you know, work.
And we'll just use what we've got, and
we'll just go with that. And that's kinda
like our biggest thing. Right? Use what you've
got. Got an iPhone? Use it. Yeah. We
got old cameras in there. Got that that
old little Panasonic handheld camcorder with shit sound
and no jacks to plug anything into it

(01:24:56):
from,
what,
10, 11 years ago?
Well, we've just been in that. But, yes,
it does. Well, but if that's what we
had, that's what we that's what we would
have if that's all that there was.
So, you know,
do the stuff because
songs like or songs. Let's just look at

(01:25:17):
it. Love Song,
William H. Shaw, movies like this are
a testament
to
it can be done, and it can be
done good
and done well. Good. It can't. Awesome grammar.
It it can be done good. But done
done good. But it's right there in the

(01:25:37):
title, but, you know, the love song. This
movie is a love song to
film. Yes.
And and to, you know,
geekdom and and kind of all the things
that go with it,
and it shows.
Well and I think most important,
none of these movies have been written

(01:26:00):
to
I don't know. What's what's the word? Comic
eyes,
the characters.
Right. Right? It's this isn't a spoof.
This isn't a parody
on
people. You know, there are people who love
comic books.
They're lawyers. They're doctors. They're janitors. They're all

(01:26:21):
kinds of people. Yeah.
They they have taken this
and just straightforward.
Yeah. Nerds and geeks were a little weird,
you know, to to the normals, but,
you know, we get it. They don't need
to.
So with the shooting, let's talk budget.

(01:26:43):
Okay. K. So $30,000.
We gotta pay people. We wanna pay people
for their time.
Gotta have the equipment.
And and Eric
is very, very Eric Schumacher, who plays John,
he's
very,
you know, very up about paying people for
their time. That matters a lot to him,
and it matters a lot to everyone on

(01:27:03):
this production. Yes. But I know in particular
to Eric, that is, like, a sticking point.
Mhmm. Which
is incredible. Yes. Because that doesn't always happen
in indie film. A lot of times, you're
acting for a pizza.
You know? Yep.
Well, when so,
newcomers, you've never heard this before. B Sider,

(01:27:24):
you might remember we've talked about,
Alice Has It Under Control, short film that
we did back in 2014.
A lot of mistakes were made,
and that film will never be released.
I'm not gonna get into that. But that
was the same thing. We had people do
it for free. Mhmm.
We bought them
food,

(01:27:45):
and that was it, basically.
Because we didn't I mean, we didn't have
a budget. We didn't. Well, we had to
raise money
to well, I don't wanna get into it.
I don't wanna get into it. It's a
sour thing.
Anyway,
shit happens. Roll with it. Accept it.
An indie film,

(01:28:06):
you sometimes have to be faced with that.
You can't get the money to pay people.
Well, then, you know what? If you're serious
about this, you're gonna get some sort of
distribution. You're gonna go to festivals and stuff.
So you get people back in. Yeah. Right?
Say, okay. I need you to do this
because I have jack shit for money right
now.
But
you're gonna hit this to festivals and stuff.
And whether it's good or not

(01:28:27):
because this is the reality.
Every festival it goes to, somebody's gonna pay
to see it. You're gonna get some of
that.
Right? That's that's how you make money on
the festival circuit.
For those that do, then we won't get
into it. But, anyway,
do it.
Get them to, you know, do the thing,
but

(01:28:48):
be very upfront about it and
be serious about making sure they get back
end money. Right. Because
well, any other way is just not cool.
Be fair and do not take advantage of
people. Yeah.
There's I don't know. Have we talked enough
about this? Because I feel

(01:29:09):
like there's so much to talk about,
but it's like minutiae.
Yeah. It's a lot of minutiae. I think
we've covered all the big stuff. I think
we're just excited to be back, and so
we just wanna keep talking and talking and
talking. But Yeah.
Well, anyway, it,
yeah, it's, it's a wonderful movie, and,

(01:29:32):
you know, I mean, $30,000
is not
anything in terms of movie budgets. It's it's
actually pretty big in indie film.
That's that's a, you know, chunk of change.
Right?
But
do what you can.
Mhmm. Do what you can. Work with what
you've got. Use this as an example.

(01:29:53):
No wild filters, no crazy coloring, no moods,
and their sets weren't set up with, you
know, super technical lighting because the story didn't
call for it.
Anytime anything they would have spent
in terms of money, time, and effort on
those things for this movie
would have made it less than.
Right. Because it doesn't fit. Don't do it

(01:30:15):
just to do it.
Do what it is. If it's a driving
film,
get a car, get a steady you know,
get a gimbal and, you know, for a
steady cam,
drive, and shoot the movie.
You know, shoot 1 guy over here,
get in the back seat, switch over, shoot
this guy over here, camera in the front,
whatever you gotta do. Shoot it in the

(01:30:35):
fucking car. Doesn't have to be pulled on
a trailer. Doesn't need to be green screen
surrounded with, you know, motion playing. Do what
you can because that's the story.
Yeah.
K.
Do the best you can with what you
have. Make a lot of pots. Don't try
to make one perfect pot. Make as many
as you can. And love every minute of
it because when you do that,

(01:30:58):
you get a a
every every time I glance over, I keep
wanting to say it. But you get a
movie,
like Love Song of William H. Shaw.
That's right. That's gonna be the end result.
Love
the movie no matter what
while you're making
it. Wow.
So that brings our first episode in way

(01:31:19):
too long.
To a close,
I'm gonna say, again,
hit the patreon,
just, you know, patreon.com.
Bravo for the b side. If you want
to pop on the podcast.
All of the episodes. So
as we're re recording this, we still don't
actually have the hosting set up. I'm

(01:31:41):
I'm working on that, and I gotta get
all the 100137
episodes back on track.
So by the time you hear this, it'll
be irrelevant. But,
if anything ever happens where there's a delay
or your,
like, with your dad, the the podcast apps
stopped working on his phone Mhmm. Couldn't get
to it,
go to Patreon. You just need to sign

(01:32:02):
up
with Patreon. You don't have to pay.
But if you are, if you have a
login to Patreon, you can access access every
single one of our episodes. That is like
a fail safe. Right. They'll always be there,
for, you know, everybody and anybody. We'd appreciate
it though if you'd sign up and, you
know, throw us $5 a month. That would
be awesome.

(01:32:24):
Share it.
We also have a Patreon for the production
company, Lords of Misrule Productions.
It's a lot more to type.
It is a lot. We picked a very
long name. Yeah. But I like it. So
you know, the website has links, lords of
misrule productions.com.
Gosh. It's been a long time since I've
said that. Or you can see stuff that

(01:32:45):
we're working on and, you know Yeah.
They have links to our YouTube channels because
we will be converting these to
audio to video because people still like watching
them on YouTube, so we'll still be putting
those up.
Sure. And as always, you know,
emails are on the website. Reach out to
us. Yes. We are very easy to reach

(01:33:06):
out to. So if you are a filmmaker,
an actor,
whatever, anything you do in indie film or
b movies, and you want us to see
something that you have done,
you want us to, you know, cover a
movie, reach out to us, talk to us.
If you wanna, you know, come on and
interview with us. Or even if you're just
a listener. Yeah. Or even if you just
wanna You know, like, there's this movie I

(01:33:26):
saw, and it was awesome. I think you
guys would like it. Right? Yes. I'd love
to hear your thoughts. What's the Love love
recommendations.
We've gotten a few of those. Yeah. Now
mind you, we're not, like, you know, a
Hollywood reporter. You know, we
we don't have a massive reach.
But, Deciders, you can help with that. That's
right. We can grow this bad boy. But

(01:33:47):
we had a far enough reach
where
I mean, people reaching out to us to
do their movies
Yeah. Because you guys
would go watch them.
And there was enough of you to make
a little bit of a, you know, difference
Yeah. And get the buzz around. So,
yeah. Reach out to us, whoever you are.

(01:34:09):
We'd love to hear from you. Yep. Absolutely.
So With that. With that,
I think we'll bring this to a close.
Keep writing, keep filming, keep dreaming, keep being
creative.
And keep watching movies. Absolutely.
And
we'll see you

(01:34:29):
In 2 weeks.
Yeah.
Next episode.
See you next time. Bye. Bye.
Jesus Christ. Bye, b satters. Thank you.
We're out.