Cars Yeah! The Next Generation

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Break Fix podcast is all about capturingthe living history of people from all
over the autos sphere, from wrench,turners, and racers to artists, authors,
designers, and everything in between.
Our goal is to inspire a new generationof Petrolhead that wonder to.
How did they get that jobor become that person?
The Road to Success is paved by allof us because everyone has a story.

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We're rev it up and welcome to uhYeah, the Break Fix podcast, not cars.
Yeah.
But we are gonna be talking about cars.
Yeah.
Today
for years, cars Yeah.
Has been a go-to destination forautomotive enthusiasts, industry
insiders, and anyone that findsinspiration in the world of cars.
Hosted by the legendary Mark Green.
The show has featured in-depthconversations with some of

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the most fascinating peoplein the automotive space.
Today we're shifting gears andheading into an exciting new
chapter as Caria Transitions toits new host, ginger Baker Rust.
Ginger brings a fresh perspective,a deep love for cars, and a
passion for storytelling that willkeep the spirit of Caria alive
while taking it to new heights.

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What did this transitionmean for the podcast?
How will the show evolve whilestaying true to its roots?
Knuckle up as we take a behindthe scenes look at this exciting
shift and hear from both Mark andGinger about what's next for cars.
Yeah.
And joining me tonight is returningco-host Don Weiberg from Garage Style
Magazine, one of the many personalitieson the Motoring Podcast network.

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And with that, let's welcomeMark and Ginger to break fix.
Thank you.
It's nice to be here.
And I wanted to remind your listenersthat Eric and Don were on Caria
back in October, 2023 together.
And then Eric was a guest August 16th,and Don was, I think he was a three timer.
He was show number 27.
That's how old Don and I are.

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And then he was also show,uh, number 1,341, I believe.
I get that right.
Maybe you're just a two timer.
I've heard that about you.
No, I think I was three,but the third was with Eric.
That's right.
Okay.
We, we won't call you a two timerthen, but Yeah, it's great to be here
and it's very special to be here withGinger because this transition has
been so unique for me and so much fun.

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Ginger, we did do some shows togetherin, in December of January, right?
Yes, sir. We did.
Which was fun and kind of odd for metoo, because I'm always used to being on
one side of the mic and not the other.
But yeah, it's great to,uh, talk to you guys again.
Feel like I've known you guys foreverand, uh, it's, uh, gonna be a unique
thing to be here on the show withGinger, because I've been editing

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her shows for her and that's reallyweird too, because I hear cars.
Yeah.
And I don't hear myself.
What's with that?
Oh, you mean the voicesin your head have stopped?
You know, like most people, Idon't like to listen to myself.
And for 10 and a half, 11 years,I had to listen to myself because
I edited almost all my shows.
There was several years here where Iwas having somebody else edit the shows,

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but I did like to edit them because.
I would learn things every time Iedit the show, and that would help
me try to improve for the next show.
I did have some great editors.
The ladies that were helping me were doinga great job, but then Covid came and some
of the sponsors at that time went away.
So the money factor was like, well,I think I should take this back.
Kind of reinvented myself a little bitat that time and learned a lot more,

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and I just kept doing it from there on.
But yeah, it is odd listening to thebeginning a rev it up and welcome to cars.
Yeah.
And it's, it's not me, it's Ginger,it's, it's still very hard to get used to
see Don.
He's a pro seasoned podcaster.
He did the whole setup for us andhe's created a segue for me to
introduce the first question, whichis really what is on everybody's mind.

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Mark, you've been hostingcars yet for over a decade.
What inspired your decision to passthe torch and what was your process
for selecting a successor to sucha legacy that was behind cars yet?
And how did you findGinger after all that?
How long is this show?
As long as
we need it to be aslong as we need in 2022.
I had a long time friend.
Come to me and say, have you everthought about selling your podcast?

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I would like to take it over.
And at that time I was getting alittle bit, I wouldn't say tired of
it, but you know, when you do somethingfor 10 years, it's like, well, maybe
there's something else for me to do.
I'm not so sure.
And we, we had a long talk andthen I said, you know what?
Maybe this will work.
So we negotiated a price, we talked abouthow we were gonna do it, and then sadly
he got ill and he had esophageal issues,which kind of affects a podcaster, right?

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Being able to speak properly and so forth.
Or normally, I should say, not properly.
So almost that entire year, I was waitingfor him to get better and he, he had
some surgeries, he got better, thenhe got worse, then he got a lot worse.
And then finally he said, Idon't think this is gonna happen.
And by that time, almost seven,eight months had gone by.
And you have all this momentum and in yourmind, when you're ready to let something

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go, I hold this all to like selling a car.
We're in love with our cars, andthen you decide to let it go.
And all my listeners cars yeah,know about Orange Crush, the turbo
that I had, I was all jazzed up todo this and then it all fell apart.
So, and it was like, oh, okay, nowhow do you go about selling a podcast?
That proved to be way more difficultthan I ever thought it would be, because

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people think of a podcast as your voice.
And so I started to pitch it out there.
I got a lot of responsefrom a lot of people.
I think I talked to almost36 different people.
One of the other things I did wasI did research on have any podcasts
ever sold and I found three.
Out of those three, two of them were veryreluctant to talk about much of anything.

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One of them gave me alot of great information.
I think he was doing a horsepodcast or something like that.
There was a podcast for everything.
And so I went, okay, wellthere's a process for this.
So I started in 23 trying to sell it.
I had all these people contact me.
I had many meetings signed, lots ofNDAs, went through a lot of things, and

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it usually came down to a couple things.
Once the person found out how muchwork this is, and you're shaking her
head and you guys are shaking yourhead, they went, well, don't you
just talk to people and have fun?
And it just happens.
I actually had somebody say that to me.
I said, what do you mean it happens?
That's a bumper sticker mark.
Yeah, yeah.
Just do it right.
At that point, I started to get a littlebit frustrated because I would pitch

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the whole thing and talk to people.
I even had a couple big name, Ican't say who they were because
we have NDAs, but big names.
If I mentioned you'd go, whoa.
But then for those companies, andeven for some other people, you'd
get down to the finance part of it,and usually it was the finance guy.
The bean counter said, whydon't we just do one ourselves?
This is easy.
Okay, well, you're just gonnastart a podcast and have, at that

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time, I think I was having 85,90,000 unique downloads a month.
Really?
You could do that.
Good for you.
Okay, go for it.
None of those companies havegone on to do a podcast.
I think they just realizedit's not as easy as it looks.
I was getting kind of frustrated and I wasstarting to think, well, you know in your
mind, again, you're ready to sell the car.
And then the guy that was supposed toshow up at the cash doesn't show up.

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And then some other people come and kickthe tires and, and you go through that
whole eBay sale thing or marketplaceon Facebook or whatever it is, and
you start to go, maybe this is gonnahappen and your steam is starting
to kind of blow out a little bit.
And then one day this lady namedGinger calls me on the phone.
Now Ginger, I had been chasing Ginger.
Well, I'm married, not that way, but I'dbeen trying to get Ginger on the show.

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What was it?
Ginger, all the way backto oh seven or oh six.
Uh, it's like eight or nine years.
Yeah,
it was a long time.
And I have a list and Ginger owns it.
Now the list of all the people I'vechased and she probably looks at it
every day and goes, oh my gosh, mark.
Now remember back then I wasdoing five shows a week, so I
was pumping out a lot of shows.
So you know, the phone rings and I went.
Ginger, what'd she call me for?

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I go, ginger, how you doing?
She goes, hi Mark.
I said, are you finally ready?
'cause I had contacted Gingermaybe two, three times a year
for seven years, like I do.
Everybody, you know?
And she goes, well, I don't know if I'mquite ready to be on your show, but I'd
like to talk to you about buying it.
And I went, what?
And she, he caught me off guard so muchbecause I didn't know a lot about Ginger.

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I had heard about her.
She'd been referred to me byanother previous Kaja guest, like
many of the guests there did.
And so we started talking and I thinkour process from signing the deal from
the beginning was probably seven months.
Oh yeah.
At least
eight months.
It was a long time.
This was something completelyoutta her wheelhouse.
I was like, I think I would like todo this and it would help augment

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the other businesses that I do,but I don't know if I can do it.
And we had lots of these intellectualtalks about why I thought she
could, or she would tell mewhy she thought she couldn't.
And then I would tell her, well,here's what you have to learn
and all that kind of thing.
So eventually we struck a deal and wedecided when that was going to start.
The rest is history really,because we did some shows

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together end of January, I think.
Ginger, you started doing them yourself?
Yes, because at this pointwe're doing one a week.
I think we did four,six, something like that.
And I finally said,ginger time two jump up.
Yeah, the training wheels off.
Yeah, I'm getting outta the car.
You're gonna drive down the road nowand don't crash my baby because I
spent, you know, and I don't want thisto fail, not only for her personally,

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'cause I'd be become friends, butI built this brand in a way that I
felt it could continue on forever.
You know?
It's like somebody, again, buyingyour car and then driving it off a
cliff or butchering it, you know,in a way, even though it's hers now,
if you wanna put fender flares onit or turbocharge it or whatever.
Wait, I already had a turbo.
Anyway, that's the process ina nutshell, and that really was

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a two and a half year process.
All told, maybe even three years.
It was a long time, but itwas a bit of a challenge.
But I'm very happy withhow this has all worked.
Can see by the smile on Ginger's face.
She's done a great job.
Again, like I said, when I'm editingher shows, it's just very still bizarre.
It's just like, where's Mark now?
I did do her a special intro andoutro and she's still using that.

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Yep.
So my voice is still there for a while.
I guess you really have weaned yourselfaway when Someday I turn on cars.
Yeah.
And hey, what happened to me?
I'm gone.
That's how it all came together, and
I'm very happy that it all worked out.
Ginger, before we dive into yourbackground a little bit, let's pull
on this thread for just a second.
Mark's trying to get you on the show.

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No, no, no.
And then one day the phonerings and I want your show.
I don't wanna be on your show.
I want your show.
When did that realization happenfor you and how did it happen?
It wasn't all those years thatI didn't wanna be on a show.
It was just.
Because of what was going onin my career and personal life.
And I was on the road all the timeworking in NASCAR and other racing
series and I was just, I mean, Iwas home a day and a half a week

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traveling, you know, 10 months a year.
And it just was difficulttiming more than anything.
I. But I had listened to his show foryears and I had gotten to know him and
the show, but I think I, I was coming toa transition in my career, in my life.
You know, I've done a lot of stuff.
I've done a lot of things, marketingand corporate marketing and racing

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and in numerous other industries,pitching a hundred million
dollars deals for media companies.
And I've always been comfortablebeing the one, being interviewed or
pitching deals or getting on stageand singing in front of people,
you know, or, or giving speeches.
That's never been a problem.
But getting behind themic is totally different.
I mean, I can sing all day long to ahuge crowd on the mic, but being able to

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carry a show, that was something that Iwas a little nervous about, especially
his, because it's such a legacy.
So, yeah, I thought about it and I talkedto a couple people and, and I reached
out to Mark and, you know, I was like,you know, I had this like, crazy idea.
I don't even know, you know,but let's talk about it.
And, you know, so he started tellingme about it and, and I told him what
my ideas were and why, but that I wasreally nervous taking over such a legacy.

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Also, it's beyond that.
It's not just about being on the mic,you know, it's also understanding the
business side of it, of what has to bedone on the business side, what kind of
priorities that you have to give to it.
And it's not justjumping on and recording.
I mean, you have to scheduleyou all these things.
Then I'm actually stilllearning a lot of pieces of it.
I, I had, I had an understanding primaryfoundation, but understanding all the

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pieces of parts totally different.
I mean, I've written TV,commercials, radio commercials,
you name it, but I've never.
Done a podcast.
So, you know, I wanted to make surethat I was fully prepared and wanted
to make sure that I was not biting offmore than I could chew because it was
so important to me to carry on Mark'slegacy that he built more than anything.
And that internal fear of, oh my gosh,you know, is people gonna accept the fact

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that it would be a woman taking it over?
Would they still listen?
Would they be open to that?
Would they care that Icome from the racing side?
Not necessarily fromthe car collector side.
All these different thingswere going through my mind.
Those were all the things that Iwas considering and whether I could
carry his toe, but more than anythingwas making sure that I protected
Mark's legacy and what he built.
Yeah.
I told her, don't wreck this thing.

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Yeah.
I absolutely would not do thatoutta my control, but nothing
within my control, for sure.
Yeah, no pressure by the way.
Yeah,
well they say in racing it's yoursto lose as they transition the, uh,
endurance driver to the next driver.
If you're not first, you're last.
That one too.
That one too.
Yeah, I particularly love enduranceracing and, and I didn't get to

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do much of it when I was vintageracing, but I did get to do a few.
And I remember jumping into a car, Iwas co-driving and the guy that got
out said, okay, I've got us in first.
It's yours to lose, psyched to go.
And I'm like.
Wait, what did you say?
Oh, crap.
And then you take off and you'relike, I could lose this thing.
And he put us out in front.
The pressure's on, so.

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Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, I've jumped in a couple ofdifferent seats, other people's race
cars, you know, and I was just fine.
That didn't make me nervous, you know?
But this was a whole differentrace car that I was jumping into.
New kind of ride.
Yeah.
So Ginger, what you're sayingthough, it is not like the meat
and the gravy, the gravy doesn'tjust come when you cook the meat?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
You have to develop, I mean,you, it's, it's almost like going

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back to Betty Crocker cookbook.
You gotta go back and you gottalearn the old school, and you've
gotta learn the business of it.
And you've gotta learn all the ingredientsand the recipe of what makes it work and
what doesn't work, and how you can screwit up if you put in sugar instead of salt.
Right?
I mean, and, you know,those kinds of things.
That's the way I looked at it in, in theway I approach everything in business.
Is being able to take things onepiece at a time and look it at it

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from all directions on what canbe successful, what can wreck it.
It's like a setup on a car too, right?
You gotta understand the technical part.
You gotta understand what makesit work in order to drive it.
And it's the same thing.
Did pride myself in creatingsystems and procedures for this.
That's the only way I couldhave done this for 10 years.
So I had it all very tightly dialed in.

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And would you agree thatprobably helped you a lot?
Because I learned that at thebeginning when I started this and
I had to do that because when Iwas doing five shows a week, you're
on a treadmill that is spinningsuper fast and it never stops ever.
If you go on vacation, it's still going.
The listeners want those five shows, orin the case of now one show they want it.

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As Ginger's taking this over, I'vesaid, okay, uh, when's the next show?
Come on, you gotta get abunch of them in the can.
Come on.
She's like, I know I'll putthree people canceled today.
And I said, yeah, welcome to my world.
Yeah, it's a challenge, butshe's doing a great job.
I feel good every day.
It's been interesting because, you know,I'll have stuff lined up or ready to to
record and then we have a power outage.

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Yeah.
It's happened a couple of times.
Yep.
Or you.
Have these people scheduled and then theyhave an emergency or something like that.
Plus just learning the procedures.
Again, taking my rookieruns down the track.
I, I'm learning a lot of things and I'vealready bumped the wall a few times.
I've definitely got my Darlington stripe,you know, on this, but it's going better.
I, I'm getting to where I'm gettingthings a little bit more ahead and just

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learning the systems and then, you know,thank goodness I've had Mark as a guide
on this, because I would've definitely hadto pull into pit lane and crash and burn
a couple times if I didn't have him, so.
Well, you're welcome.
That's 10 years of learning right there.
Take it for granted.
Why go here?
What is it that, I mean, you'releading into it and, and you're
kind of getting real close to thewall and you're not touching it.

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You're going away from it.
It's killing me to wonderYou have good stuff going on.
Yeah.
And all of a sudden youdecide, ah, what the hell?
I'll just take on this podcast.
Gosh,
I am always been the one that likeschallenges that other people would
not necessarily think about doing.
I mean, I love a challengeand I'm an adrenaline junkie.

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It's kinda like anything else.
When I sit at World Land SpeedRecord, I didn't go there to do that.
I didn't even know I was gonnaget in a car and do that.
I didn't even know I was gonna race.
So I was going there to be with a client,and then an opportunity presented itself.
The client offered me to run his car,and I did, and I broke a record, and
I hadn't raced in 30 some odd years.
I, I've done a lot of things in mycareer where I've been the first

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one to get bloody through the wall.
And so that's just kind of my mo and,and also I have a, a really good.
Intuition on looking at things andwhat things are capable of being and
what they are already tying it in.
Also, with the business side of what Ido in racing and in motor sports, for
me it was kind of a natural transition.

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There's a lot of things that I've beentrying to work on in the racing community
and the car enthusiast community, but onein particular is, is keeping racing alive.
Amen.
Our beloved racing is in trouble.
Our car culture's in trouble.
Our love with cars and our passion andour history with cars is in trouble.
That honestly was the biggest driveris ran against the wall, not walls

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that were supposed to be there, butthat were put in front of me just
'cause I'm a female in, in a sport.
But kind of looked at this also as a wayto be able to break some more barriers.
For a lot of people, includingmyself, but it's not the woman
thing I'm, that's not my platform.
It's not the Me Too thing,it's not anything about that.
It's about the love affair that I havewith cars in the racing community.

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First and foremost, being able to usethis platform to help save it in some
way, and that that really was whatmade me, made me pick up the phone was
in some way, maybe I can use my voicein this direction when maybe it's not
being listened to in other directions.
So that was part of it.
Part of it.
That was part of it.
But wait, there's more.
Yeah, there's more.
I have a lot of big ideas.

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I've been in corporatemarketing for 30 years.
I, I, like I said, I've been the firstone bloody through the wall many times
and it has always worked out for me.
And that's just who I am.
I lacked big challenges and I knewthat this was gonna be a big challenge
and it just seemed to be a naturalfit for where I was outta my career.
I'll say too, that tenacity andpersistence are two things that
made Kaia happened for so long.

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Just bulldogs.
And that's something that when I spoke to.
Ginger over many months.
I learned that's who she is.
And I was just talking to a longtimecar listener to the other day.
He actually called me and wewere talking about Ginger.
He actually met Ginger at anevent and he said, yeah, she's,
she's a bulldog like you.
She just doesn't stop.
And he also knows your momand knows all about that.

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Yeah, Raleigh.
Yeah.
And you gotta have that todo any kind of business.
Go through the highs and lows, of course.
But that was something that many ofthe people that wanted to do this, I
could just tell they didn't have that.
You gotta commit to this.
As I said, it's a treadmill.
You can't be successful in podcastingand let time lapse, because listeners
nowadays, especially when I startedthis, there were only three car

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podcasters, just three NPR, whichwas the old Click and clack show.
Adam Corolla had a show car cast, youknow, and he's still famous and doing
all sorts of stuff, and I forget what theother one was, but Caria was the next one.
Now there's.
Everybody has a podcast.
Us too.
Look
at that.
Well, it, it was interesting over timebecause more and more people would come to
me and say, Hey, I wanna start a podcast.

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I get a lot of it now, three emails thismorning, Hey, I wanna start a podcast.
Can I talk to you?
And I, I finally startedsaying, I'll do some consulting.
Here's my hourly fee.
Yeah.
Call me if you're interestedbecause otherwise you can't just
spend 30 minutes and explain this.
No, it's way too complicated.
There's too many aspects of it.
So I usually give a polite responseand just say, no, I'm not interested.

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I'm not doing consulting right now.
When I am, I'll contact you.
Yeah.
Mark's right.
I mean, you gotta have tenacityand you've gotta be a bulldog.
And yeah, I talked about with Mark whenhe first talked to me about the art of no,
learning how to use that in an effectiveway, not taking no for an answer.
That just means maybeanother way or another time.

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But also I spent a lot oftime doing a lot of research.
I do a lot of research beforeI go into anything generally if
I can't, you know, so I reallyresearched it from all directions.
Okay, well, you know, how wouldyou do this marketing wise?
How would you do this guest wise?
You know, do I know enough people?
Am I far enough in the industrythat I could carry this?

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You know, who could I rely on the editing?
You know, all these different ideas,the website, I mean, there's just layers
and layers and layers and layers andlayers that people don't understand.
And then, you know, also understandingthe business of it, of how making
successful and doing the researchof, okay, how do you sell a podcast?
How do you buy a podcast?
How do you make it have value?
Gosh, there's so much that went into it.
It wasn't just a couple of phone calls.

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We literally talked back and forthfor seven, eight months and, and quite
frankly, I mean, there was a coupletimes, I mean, mark had to really
say, okay, you know, you can do this.
Yeah, I get to the point thatI was getting a little bit
discouraged and, and not even that.
I think more so that.
I was having that little bit ofinternal doubt of fear, but fear to me
is just something that you just haveto walk around and say, you know what?

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Get behind me.
'cause it's, I'm gonna lead.
But when it finally came down to it,and you know, I was just like, like
anything else, I'm just, I'm gonna jumpin and put the seatbelt on and I'm gonna
stomp the loud pedal and here we go.
There were a lot of great questions andsome of the people that I talked to before
that were interested, they wouldn't ask meany of the pertinent, important questions.
It was just all, you know,little things like little things.
How do you get somebody to guess?

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Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there's uh, many ways to do that.
And, and at some points, ginger and mywife will, I'd say, I don't know if this
lady's gonna ever get in the car anddrive because it's just dragging on.
Come on.
But I could sense that with Ginger.
And we became friends over the phone.
We've never met in person, which is kindof silly, but she's quite a ways away.
North Carolina, I'm up here in thePacific Northwest so many times when

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she would drift off a little bit and Icould sense, what's worrying you today?
What, what do you think you can't do?
And she would say something.
I said, okay, well here's how you do that.
Because I had answers for everything.
'cause I've, I've done it.
Yeah.
There's very, and there's thingsthat, she has strengths that are far
exceeding me because of her marketing.
I mean, she just didan awesome, huge deal.
She had some strengths there that Ididn't have the technical side and

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she'll self acclaim is the weakest part.
But she's got two sonsthat are techie guys.
And I actually had my first meetingwith one of them that I thought was
gonna be with Ginger about how to do it.
And I thought, you know, I figuredif Ginger doesn't know all this,
this is gonna be an all day meeting.
I think after an hour and a half,her son goes, okay, we're done.
I'm like, well this guy knowsmore about tech than I do.
You know, he's a cyber techexpert and all this stuff.

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So I went, okay, she's gotgood people on her team.
Because again, when I startedthis, I had nobody so.
I had to figure out everything,build a website and how to record.
And you know, there's just allthese things that go wrong and can
go wrong and every time they do,you just, okay, how do I do that?
Thank goodness for Google and YouTube.
I stay up all night long watching YouTube.

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So why are these wave tracksdoing what they're doing?
I don't under what is going on.
So.
There's a lot of pieces tothe puzzle to use a cars Yeah.
Analogy here.
We have blown through first andsecond gear and we're tacking
like 9,000 RRP M right now.
So we gotta shift into the next gear.
Cool.
And talk a little bit moreabout the legacy of cars.
Yeah.
So, mark, as you look back over your2,500 plus episodes of cars Yeah.

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Before the transition, there'ssome memorable moments that
you've mentioned over the years.
You know, some of your favoriteepisodes and things like that.
I wanna highlight those for the listenersthat are like, man, I gotta go back and
check out cars yet, you know, I don'tknow where you've been, if you haven't
listened to cars yet episode yet, andGinger, you're still defining the next
generation of cars yet is gonna be,and what those memorable moments are.
So I want both of you to kindof touch on the highs of what

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you've experienced so far.
I can tell you I've been verygrateful and blessed in the fact
that my very first show by myselfwas with my really good friend, Kat
DeLorean, John DeLorean's daughter.
I had thought a lot who myfirst guest was gonna be.
And I really wanted to be able to givea platform to Kat to be able to tell

(24:21):
her story and to clear up a lot ofstuff about John DeLorean, especially
with some of the documentariesand things that had just come out.
So it was just really, really good timing,but be able to capture, I think one of
the biggest things for me so far that'sbeen really surprising is several of my
guests, they've actually gotten emotional.
And that's something that Iwasn't quite prepared for.

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And Pat got emotional, and a good friendof mine, Danny Drynan, he was going
through some stuff, you know, so I toldMark, I said, you know, that was something
I wasn't prepared for when I'm recordingand someone got emotional and here these
are my friends, and I'm like fillingall this emotion for 'em and you know,
and then your voice breaks and all theseother things and you get thrown off.
Right?
You know, I prepare, prepare, prepare.

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And then like it just threw me off.
But in a good way, I realizedthat that was okay because it
actually made it more authentic.
And I think that's beenthe biggest surprises.
So far other than, you know, justthe stuff that we talked about
that just things that happened,they're outta your control.
Right?
But I think that has been oneof the most special moments.
And every person that I've hadon there, a lot of them have been

(25:22):
my really close friends, and it'sbeen wonderful to be able to share.
I. Finally share their stories.
Also, the biggest thing that I was, I, Iwill be honest that I, part of the things
I was worried about it, you know, likeI mentioned, was how are people gonna
react to a woman taking over the show?
And then how are they gonnareact to the fact that I'm
gonna have more women on there?
And it's been interesting, you know,there's always the one percentage

(25:45):
of the little bit of pushback thatit's like, oh, well you've had
three women in a row on the show.
Well, okay, well one, it was March,it was Women's History Month,
but two, do you ever hear that?
And saying, okay, well they've beenthree men on the show in a row.
You never hear that, but you hear,oh, well you've had three women on the
show, so is it all gonna be about women?
Well, you know, these are womenin worldwide motorsport that have

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some incredible achievements.
I think that's been the thing so far.
That's been a little bit of a surpriseto me on one hand, but not a surprise
to me on the other, I mean, it's notanything different I haven't faced in the
motorsports world or corporate world, so,
so Mark, you have a lotof memorable moments.
Can you pick one?
No, sorry, I can't.
Funny, my start was so differentthan Ginger's because my first

(26:28):
show, I, I had set a definitedate to start 2014, May 28th.
That was a, an anniversary forme of one year after leaving
Grillo's Garage, figuring out I wasgonna do this and then doing it.
I said, I have to have the first show.
I did my website, whichI'd never done before.
I'd been in the design world,graphic world like Ginger,
but I'd never built a website.
I didn't know how to do that.

(26:48):
I was coming up to that date.
I made the crazy decision to dofive shows a week and it was crazy.
I mean, it was nuts.
Looking back, I honestly, I've said thisto Ginger, I don't know how I did it.
I really don't.
I mean, it was just, I guess youcould ask my wife, she didn't see
me for 10 years 'cause I was justin my office here doing this.
But the first show was coming up in.
I didn't have anybody lined up.
And I had called, I knew a lot of people.

(27:09):
I called people and peoplesay, what's a podcast?
Because again, this is 11, 12 yearsago, but nobody knew what a podcast was.
They go, is that like a radio show or,and I had some friends that I thought
were gonna be really great, and theyjust said, no, I don't wanna do that.
Sounds weird.
I don't wanna talk about myself.
And I was literally a, I think it wasabout five days away and I went, I
wonder if this is gonna even happen.
Uh, Cindy Mele, who's in the car marketingworld, she reached out to me, I'd known

(27:33):
her from long ago, and she said, Hey,this thing you're gonna do, plus I didn't
have any social media presence at all.
I didn't even have a Facebook page.
I just wasn't into that stuff.
So I had to like invent this thing.
And she said, Hey, you're gonnado this podcast thing, right?
And I go, yeah.
And she said, well, who'sgonna be your first guest?
And I said, I had no idea.
She goes, mark, it's like five days away.

(27:54):
And I said, I know.
I'm starting to kind of freak out.
And she said, well, howabout one of my clients?
I said, who is it?
And she goes, Rick Cole.
And I said, Rick Cole, the auction guy.
Now, Rick Cole was the first guyto do auctions during Car Week.
When Car Week was just three days,but still he was the first guy.
Now there's auctionsat every single event.
I went, wow, Rick Cole.
Yeah, I know Rick.
I hadn't thought of calling him.
I don't know him that well.

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And so my first show literallywas recorded the day before.
I went live, he was at anairport ready to fly to Europe.
'cause otherwise I would'velost the opportunity.
So I did the show.
It was horrible.
I was horrible.
He was fine.
But he was at an airport.
So every few minutes it was likeflight number 73 ready for morning.

(28:36):
And I'm like, how amI gonna edit that out?
And so we did it.
He's been on the show againonce more later, much later on.
But, but somehow it happened.
Editing.
I remember I learned the hardlesson with show number seven.
You always make a copy because.
The whole thing disappeared onme and we had to redo the show.
Thank goodness.
It was a friend who was very nice to me.

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Jonathan Ward of Icon.
He said, no problem,mark, we'll do it again.
Oh God.
I thought for sure you just go,this obviously isn't something
you should be doing, mark.
'cause you don't know what you'redoing when you come back to favorites.
I'll say this for me, the shows thatare most memorable, I don't have
favorites because there's thingsabout many, many, many, many guests
that were very enlightening, fun.

(29:18):
Unlike Ginger, I didn't do showswith hardly anybody I knew.
Even my first a hundred shows where peopleI didn't know, they weren't close friends.
So I went in cold.
Every one of these thingsis Baptism by fire.
I kind of started to like that.
The, uh, grittiness of it,the scared factor of it.
I don't have a problem talking to people.
I'd never have.
So, you know, my wife alwayssays, when we go to events, you

(29:39):
just start talking to people.
She's more shy and she's like,I don't wanna talk to anybody.
I'd rather be home reading my books.
And so, I would say the ones thatstood out for me are the people
that shared, like Ginger said,emotional times in their life.
But there was a consistency.
They all learned a major lesson througha horrible thing, a catastrophe,
something that happened in their lifethat was very challenging, and they

(30:02):
learned that they needed to starthelping people in order to be happy.
I've even done some keynotetalks at events over the years,
and it's always the same thing.
It's what I learnedafter 1000 conversations.
What I learned after 2000 conversations,what I learned after all these shows, and
that is that we are happiest as peoplewhen we find a way to help other people.

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And I was really excitedwhen that started to happen.
And some of the shows were very emotional.
Uh, John Neas, who's a car guy thatmany people know, a writer and does
a lot of things, he got me crying.
I just stopped in the middle ofthe show because the story he was
telling just had so much emphasis.
And it was at a time when Ijust lost my dad and it was
like all this stuff just came.
And I just, he goes,mark, are you still there?

(30:44):
I couldn't even talk.
I was like, so choked up.
And I go, I, I, I had tostop for a minute, you know?
And he's like, what?
And I go, just a minute, you know?
And I just had to compose myself.
Today, he wears that badge of pride.
He goes, I made Mark Green cry.
I'm the only one that's, but you do,you get emotional with people when
they start telling your stories.
I had a, a guest on the show, BarryMcGuire every become friends with,

(31:06):
I've known Barry since way back my Riosdays, and his daughter, who's since
passed away, but she was on the showand she shared this story about this
horrible husband she had who was abusive.
And she decided one dayto take her own life.
And she went to go do that.
And thank goodness it didn't happen.
And there's a long story.
You have to listen to the show.
It's the great thing about podcasts.
You can go back and listento all the podcast shows if

(31:26):
you wanna hear some of me.
But you know, that show I, asshe was saying it, I was like, oh
my gosh, what I, I had no idea.
And there was many shows like thatand out of that horrible situation
where thank goodness she didn't getto, she didn't take her own life and.
Things happen and you have to listen tothe show to hear the rest of the story,
as Paul Harvey says is that she learnedI need to start doing things for others.

(31:48):
This horrible part of my life is about me.
I need to help others.
So she started a car show, the CastleShow at the castle there in Los Angeles,
helping young kids who are runaways ondrugs, having trouble in their lives,
terrible life with their families abused.
She found ways to help them, butthere's a repeat to this that goes
on over and over and over again, andthat's the secret that I've learned

(32:10):
is find a way to help other people.
So that was the key forme to learn that lesson.
And there's some Tim Med vets whofigured out how to take paraplegics,
climbed them out Everest.
He was about to take his own lifebecause he was addicted to drugs
after a horrible motorcycle accident.
He was actually a builder of choppers.
He was gonna marry Cher, and I think hefound out she was a little woo woo woo.

(32:31):
So, uh, she, he decided not to.
At any rate, that's howI answer that question.
I can't just pick one.
And there's ginger mentions women.
I, I think I had close to 450 women on theshow before Ginger came on, and she was
a guest on the show before she took over.
And so having women on the show wasalways fun for me and different,
I think the youngest guest Ihad was a 12-year-old racer.

(32:51):
Ginger just did a show with a17-year-old racer, a young woman
who's coming up through the ranks.
And then Ginger will have to getto her old guy or old woman show
because I think the oldest guy whowas ever on my show was Ed Arian Isky,
right before he turned a hundred.
And then famous people.
And Ginger's already had somefamous people 'cause she knows
more famous people than I do.

(33:12):
But you know, as you guys know, forme, my white whale was Jay Leno.
And I always said, I can't stopdoing cars yet until I get Jay Leno.
And he was very hard Yes.
To get.
He's just so busy.
You know, he's just, but you didit, that was the crescendo, right?
And then you kept going.
Well, and it was the Christmas morningshow and I, I seriously thought about.
Just ending it at Christmas.
It was the end of the year andI thought, okay, I've done it.

(33:32):
Yeah, I mean there's a couple othersthat I really, sir Sterling Moss,
I had him lined up many times andhe had to cancel 'cause he was ill.
And the last time he canceledhis wife, lady Susie called me
and said, he just can't do this.
He's not well.
And he just will come across asnot healthy and not sharp minded
and that would just not be agood show for him or for you.
A month later he passed away.
Same with Dan Gurney.

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Had him lined up manytimes, had to cancel.
And then the last time I had himlined up, his assistant called,
said he's just not doing well.
And he passed away soon after that.
So, you know, those are twothat I really wanted to have.
They were like childhood stars ofmine, you know, that you kind of
think about, there's a few othersthat I wish, but Ginger will get 'em.
Yeah.
Well, luckily I already got tomeet Jay Leno a couple years ago.
He came out to a land speed event thatwas doing at Spaceport in New Mexico,

(34:18):
and he came out and filmed with usout there, and that was really cool.
So I got to have my JayLeno moment on that.
But there's some more people that Idefinitely on have on my list that
I would like to get on the show,and hopefully that'll be soon.
Some spoilers there.
Ginger, can you,
uh, let's see.
I can potentially say ithad to do with the big deal.
I just did.
Yeah.
Maybe you should ask her about this deal.

(34:39):
This is a huge deal and it mightbring a very unique guest to cars.
Yeah, right.
Ginger,
absolutely unique.
And I, I've had a, a unique gueston already that people wouldn't
expect on Boston be a man who'sa celebrity influencer that does
satire about men being a man.
But this one would be.
Off the chain.
So looking forward to it.

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Can you say who that might be?
Can't yet.
Not yet.
Okay.
I will.
I know who it is, so Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna give it away, but
I, I can talk about the deal,but I can't do that yet.
Real, real quick, you know, becauseEric, you didn't touch on it.
Mark, I'm a little disappointedyou didn't talk about your best
looking guest, and we all know.
Here we go.
Right here.
That was me.

(35:20):
The Don.
The
Don, that's right.
Yeah.
We're not talking about the president.
We're talking about Don Weiberg.
So.
Oh God, the day he looks better than me,just, you know, just forget about it.
Yeah, forget about it.
Forget
about it.
But, no, for both of you though, whatdo you think makes a great automotive
podcast, and how has Haria managed to keeplisteners engaged for all these years?

(35:43):
Is it the guests?
Is it the comradery?
Is it the stories?
Is it just good looking people?
What is it?
Well,
it's a podcast so nobody sees you.
So sorry.
Whatever.
Woo.
Way to played him.
Yeah.
Do you wanna go for thisfirst, ginger, or you wanna
Oh, it is absolutely.
The stories for me, the best thingabout the racing community or about

(36:05):
the car community is the stories.
When you sit around and youshare the stories and you listen,
talked about this a little bit.
When Mark did my interview,when I moved out to Mooresville.
And went into Big Daddy's restaurantand I'm sitting there and in walks,
Bobby Allison, and he's sittingdown next to me at the next table
with other legendary racers.
But just listening to the stories andbeing in NASCAR and being around the

(36:29):
racing community, I think that that isthe biggest thing that I've absolutely
love is I get set for hours, I get setfor days just listening to the stories.
And I think that that is reallywhat makes a podcast successful.
And that's what I really likedabout Marx, and I love the stories.
I think that's the number one key.
I would agree.
The thing about podcasting isinteresting is I, I have a format

(36:52):
and listeners know that I ask thesame questions again and again.
And some people that I've talkedto said, well, you asked the same
questions over and over again.
I said, but the answersare never the same.
Now, they might be in some ways, like whois the person that really inspired you?
Well, my parents.
But why?
When I had Jay Leno on, I didn'tstick to a script with him.
I just let him go because theidea was a Christmas morning show.

(37:13):
So I did devise a fewquestions for him, but even he.
Drifted into the same thing.
He told a wonderful story thatI'd never heard, and you'd think
you've heard all of his storiesabout his parents and his first car.
And it was this crummy jalopy thathad broken windows and he drove it
to school and it started raining.
And he was sitting in class lookingout the window and rain was going
into his new car, his new old car,and his dad and mom got in the car,

(37:36):
drove over and put a tarp over the car.
While he was sitting in class.
Now what a heartwarming story,even though it was this crummy
old car with broken windows.
But I thought, I'venever heard that story.
And after the show we chatted a littlebit and I said, I've never heard that.
And he goes, I don't think I've evershared that with anybody before,
because I got him to reminisce.
Because the idea of the Christmasshow was Christmas morning.

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What were the cars that you got?
What did you wish youcould get every Christmas?
My birthday's right afterChristmas, so I get all the leftover
Christmas gifts nobody wants.
They repurposed them.
And every birthday I, my momwould say, what do you want?
And I'd say A Porsche, youknow, my parents would laugh
like, you're gonna get that.
And one year my mom baked acake that looked like a Porsche.
She goes, now you have yourcake and you can eat it too.
You have your Porsche.

(38:18):
You can eat it too.
But those kinds of memoriesthat people share when they
get into their personal lives.
And if you can make themfeel at ease, and that's.
The key with podcasting.
When the person called me foralmost every one of my shows,
I had never spoken to them.
A lot of people say, well, couldwe have a phone call first?
And I'm like, I don't wanna do that.
Number one, when you're doing fiveshows a week, you don't have the time.

(38:40):
But number two, it takes awaythe spontaneity and then it's
like what actors have to do.
I did it my own TV show for a year.
I decided I'm not gonna script thisbecause I don't remember lines that well.
I would rather just askthe person to tell stories.
So that to me was the most excitingpart, not knowing where we were gonna go.

(39:01):
And if somebody started to driftoff course, I just let 'em go and
you never know where they went.
Sometimes they went to weird places andyou had to kind of pull the, you know.
Get 'em back in the boat.
Yeah, it's the stories of the fun part.
You can tell with people, and Ihad some guests that didn't do it.
They were either very corporate orvery tightly wound or very nervous.
That was another big problem.
A lot of people really nervous.
And so I would spend time before I hitthe record button, talking to them, making

(39:26):
sure, look, I'm not gonna trick you.
I'm not Barbara Walters.
I'm not gonna trick you withsome question and bring up an
illegitimate child you had back whenyou were in college or something.
This is gonna be about cars.
We're gonna not gonna talk politics, andif you wanna get into religion, that's
fine with me, but this is about yourpassion, your love for cars, and that
mantra that Ginger's picking up and caringforward inspiring automotive enthusiasts.

(39:49):
It goes back to that questionyou asked about the why.
When you asked Ginger about thewhy, that was really important to me
in developing and it's really fun.
And sometimes I would get off showsand I'd go, wow, that was cool.
Or I'd get off a show and go, Iwould like to go work with that guy
or that woman, or, I had no ideawe were gonna go down that path.
This is very interesting.
Yeah, it's, it's like a blinddate a little bit, I guess.

(40:11):
Been so long, so, you know, I've beenmarried 40 years, so I can't tell you
what those are like, but, uh, you,you don't know what's gonna happen
and there's some excitement to that ifyou're the kind of person that likes
that and I am, it makes it a lot morefun as long as you can get that ease.
And, and you know, Ginger'sgot that southern style to her.
I've teased her a little bit aboutshe, she says she has this accent

(40:31):
and every once in a while I heara word come out here and there
that she's, uh, fought that off.
But that southern comfort, southernstyle friendship comes through, which is
helpful for the guest, which is the mostimportant thing with the guests at ease.
'cause we've all watched interviews,especially with celebrities.
Yeah.
And I will say celebritiesto the most challenging.
And in fact, I even had a, I'm notgonna mention his name, but I have big

(40:51):
time celebrity planned and his agentcalled the day of the show and said,
uh, he is not interested doing the show.
Your questions are too different for him.
Like, what do you mean?
Well, he is used to answering thesame questions from everybody.
Well, wouldn't that be more interesting?
Uh, he is not, not interested in that.
It's too scary for him 'causehe is got a script in his mind
and this is a big name person.
So that was a really disappointing day.

(41:12):
I was all fired up to get him.
But I think for the most part, and Ithink people have found this with Ginger
in editing or shows and listening toher, she has a way to put people at
ease and make them feel comfortable.
Mark said it best.
I can say this about the firstshow that I did with Cat DeLorean.
There was.
Some truth bombs that she releasedon there that I had no idea was
coming that she literally had justlearned about her mother and father.

(41:35):
Oh yeah.
That one on.
'cause you did a two part show.
Yes.
I still talk to people about that.
Do you know John DeLorean that this Yeah.
You gotta listen to that show.
Yeah, you do.
Mark and I both, we were blownaway and it was really interesting.
I mean, you know, all this stuffthat's out there about Jalon, DeLorean,
and documentaries and the booksand all this, that, and the other.
Then she had just learned thispart of history about him and

(41:57):
her mother that she had no idea.
And I mean, it was a huge truth bomb.
And it was great.
I mean, it was great.
Look at Don Smile.
He's a big DeLorean guy, so, uh,
I don't know what you're talking of.
I don't,
yeah, right, right.
No clue.
Not one in my garage.
No.
There you go, Eric.
There's that character.
It always comes out,

(42:19):
you know, ginger, you talk of accent.
People tell me all time you have accent.
I don't know what they're saying.
Let me talk about that.
'cause actually a store behindthat, I actually really do have
a very thick southern accent whenI'm around my people, so to speak.
When I was,
but when I was, when I startedout in corporate advertising,
I was in my early twenties.

(42:40):
And I'm going in front of boardroomsfull of, you know, middle-aged men
as a 22-year-old blonde, you know,five foot nothing pitching deals.
You know, my boss, he said, youknow, this is nothing against you.
He said, but your accent makes itdifficult to take you serious because
you're just a southern belle, right?
So he said, you need totalk more like a Yankee.
Okay, well, I'm trained in singinggrowing up, so I understood what he meant.

(43:03):
I worked on to where I loweredmy voice, I talked slower, I
got rid of most of the accent.
Now there's some words that willcome out that I just can't help
because it's just difficult to say.
I had to actually learn that todo it this way, and now it's just
muscle memory to be able to, toget taken seriously in business.
But like I said, when I'm around peopleI'm comfortable with, or it's my people,

(43:25):
or I'm around my southern folk, so tospeak, then the southern accent's right
there, you know, it's still there, butit's so muscle memory now after 30 some
odd years of having to speak more, thatI could be taken seriously in business.
Every once in a while when wewere talking, she'd say something.
I'd go, what?
Yeah, what'd you say?
And she'd, oh, oh, okay.
Start
the
show.

(43:45):
How y'all doing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's like the word heal.
Okay.
It's, for me, it's heal.
Okay.
HILL or HEEL.
It's heal.
Okay.
It's healed.
You know.
Or Mooresville.
Or Statesville or Louisville.
It's not Mooresville.
It's uh, yeah,
rave it up and welcome to car.
Yeah,
rave it up and welcome to car.

(44:06):
It sneaks out once in a while.
Like I said, any, in any businesssituation, it's generally just
that muscle memory comes in fromhaving to do it so long differently.
Accent aside, you've got a kindof a big role ahead of you.
You're stepping into.
A new old show.
What excites you about the opportunitymost, you've kind of touched on a
few things, but what most excitesyou about this and how do you plan

(44:28):
to really make the show your own?
First of all, I'm gonna be updating thewebsite, revamping and, you know, 2.0.
Because you, you have to evolve.
And so I'm gonna be doing a lotof things with that as well.
And to where there's gonna be storytellingsection and you know, some, and then
highlighting a couple of different things.
I can't tell everything yet, but I've beenworking on potentially some co-hosts at

(44:50):
some point and I have a lot of ideas thatare on the table that, again, I don't want
to be premature on announcing 'cause I'mstill working through the logistics of it.
And again, I spent a lot of timeresearching and thinking about
what I want to do with this show.
The biggest thing is I want to makesure to keep the listeners that Mark

(45:12):
built, I want to make sure to maintainthat culture as the foundation and, you
know, the car enthusiast and the carcollector and, and I mean all the things
that Mark built, what I think I bring tothe table that's going to extend it is.
The broad aspect of motorsportfrom every genre, right?
Whether it's NHRE or NASCAR orit's off-road or dirt racing.

(45:36):
There's so many differentaspects of motor sports.
People understand.
I think most people that areoutside of Motorsport in the in the
car community don't understand inglobally how actually a tight knit
community it really, really is.
And so my biggest goal is tobring people that are not in that
community and never, especiallyyouth that have never been educated.

(45:57):
Or introduced to the car world tointroduce them to that and to bring new
people in that maybe know who I am orI'm familiar with or don't know who I am,
but maybe I have a different voice thanMark does that will bring it to them in
a little bit of a different storytellingaspect or from a different aspect that
will actually make them interested.

(46:17):
Like I, I stated the first of the show.
It's important for all of us.
This is our love.
This was our passion.
We have to figure out a way to keepit alive and to keep the history alive
and, and to keep motorsports aliveno matter what the technology is.
Those are the things that I thinkare the, that I'm focused more
so on, on building on further,
you want to bring in moreyouth, is that what you said?

(46:40):
Yes.
For instance, uh, the young lady thather show will be airing, there's a lot
out there that don't have a platform ora voice and they don't get interviewed
because they're young and up and coming.
And I want to be able to give a voice tosome of those up and coming youth that are
actually taking interest in the car worldor actually trying to make it up in racing
or actually trying to climb the ladder.
And, you know, she's not experiencedat speaking and it's a short show,

(47:03):
but I wanted to give her an experiencethat she needed just to be able to
not only survive, but to actuallytry to be able to take the next
step in Motorsport in her career.
Most of the youth don't get that.
Actually, most of the adults or evenprofessionals are, are running every week.
Don't even get that opportunity.
But my big thing is being able tobring youth in a more diverse playbook.

(47:27):
As far as a larger community at hand,
how are you outreaching to the youth ofAmerica or the young people of America?
What is your game plan?
Or if you can even go into that?
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, no, no, no.
So what is the game plan?
How are we gonna engage with more youth?
I mean, here's the thing.
I come from a very tiny, tiny, small farmtown in South Missouri from the Ozarks.

(47:50):
Where I grew up, at the time, women andchildren would be seen and not heard.
Okay.
I mean, girls weren't allowed, womenweren't allowed even in the track, the
pit area, let alone you didn't race a car.
I mean, that was just unheard of.
And so, I mean, I wasthe only girl in town.
I was sneaking the car outta the garageat 12 years old, in the middle of the
night going and racing with the guys.
But I never saw myself ever beingable to be in the race community

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or, or even be around it becauseit was not made available to me.
And it was shown to me thatthis is not for girls or women.
This is not for you.
This is not feasible.
This is, you know, nothing.
I, I had no way, no intentionof even knowing that I could
do this later on in life.
And it did take place later on in life.
And so I take that and every youth, Itry to take as many as I can to erase.

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I talk to 'em about racing.
I tell them what I do, especiallygirls, but I want them to understand
that it's not about just getting intoa car and being able to race a car.
It's about being an engineer.
It's about mechanics,it's about mathematics.
It's about all these other thingsthat people don't understand
that are involved in racing.
Even the marketing sideor, or the business side.
I just start talking to them.

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I bring them to races orI take 'em to car shows.
I've worked with a, a lot of youthin my career and in my personal life.
I've had the opportunity to help care fora lot of kids, especially troubled kids.
One of the things that I introduced themto was racing and showing them that this
seems beyond your reach, but it's notactually giving them introduction to

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something that they were not familiarwith, and you would be amazed how
much the experience gave them on beingable to just look and see that there's
a whole different world out therethat they had never even thought of.
Also being able to talk about the history.
The history.
The history.
The history.
We have to talk about the history.
I I do it all the time.
All the time.
Anybody I meet,
where are you meeting these people?
How are you getting yourself infront of the Youth of America?

(49:44):
Okay, well, so I'll give you an example.
One of my sons, he was aall-star competitive cheerleader.
Now, most people will not understandwhat that is, but it's not like
what you see In high school.
He made the equivalentof a Junior Olympic team.
He made a world's team.
He competed against 800 otherteams from around the world.
And we traveled eight months outof the year to these competitions.

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And I would talk to these kids aboutracing or tell 'em about a race
that I went to, or I invited them.
I have been a foster mom to kids that werehurt in war torn areas of Afghanistan.
And I brought kids from Afghanistanover and took care of them
and gave them medical care.
Guess what I did?
I took 'em to a race.

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I took them to a race and exposed them tothings that they had never seen before.
I never even heard of, you know, letalone they come over and they see the
grass on the ground or swimming pool orthings that they had never, you know,
did in their life, but to take 'em to arace and they went back to Afghanistan
with these stories and these picturesabout things that they could tell Other
people have traveled in Europe andI've talked to, to kids there, or kids

(50:50):
that, that were friends of my son's.
You know, when they would comeover, I'd take 'em to a race.
That's how you do it.
I mean it, it sounds verysimplistic, but that's how you do it
Sounds like it's just major networking.
Yes.
Working within, yeah.
The community, you know, or thecommunity you're exposed to.
Yeah.
And kind of making it your own.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, what's interesting is you canset and you can watch these kids listen

(51:12):
to, you know, their dad talk about it,but it's interesting when they hear a
woman because they look at you and like,really, I'll just give you an example.
I interviewed a young gentleman todayfor a job and was talking to him and you
know, I told him a little bit about meand I said, you know, I've been in racing.
And he's like really racing even.
Wow.
I would've never thoughtabout that for you.
I've never expected that.

(51:33):
I get that over and over and over again,especially when I talk to young males.
They're like, really?
Wow, I didn't know women could do that.
No, I'm serious.
I mean, that's a reaction.
It just like, oh, you don't look like thetype of person that would do these things.
And that has actually been the greatestpart about it is, and that's what
I've learned, is talk to more males.
Talk to more youth.
You know, youth andfemales, but the same thing.

(51:55):
I've got little girls.
I own another business that, that comeinto the business and these little three
or four or 5-year-old girls, you andI'll be talking to 'em or their mom or
whatever, and I'll always mention racingin some way, or a car or whatever.
They just look at you like really?
Even that young, really.
There's not one time so farthat I've run into that.
It hasn't been a Wow.
That's interesting.

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And that's the way you have to do it.
You gotta talk to these kids likeit's something that they should
know, but they don't, other thanwhat they've seen on the cars movie.
Don, did I answer yourquestion to your satisfaction?
You did.
Oh, believe me, I could keep going.
I think you and I could go back and forth.
Probably Banta, that's whatthey call it back east.
They call it Banta.
You know, Banta
Banta.
Well, switching into top gear aswe round out the last segment of

(52:36):
the show here we turn back to Mark.
We really wanna talk about podcastingagain at its core, because that's
what we started off talking about.
And so stepping away from the hostingchair, stepping away from the microphone,
you're still in the editing room,you're making sure things do hit the
cutting room floor in some cases.
Because I've heard you speakto other podcasters before.
You've been a mentor to me as well.
You've helped a lot ofpeople along the way.

(52:58):
But what advice did you give toGinger as she took on this new role?
I would say maybe one of thefirst things was be yourself.
Don't try to copy me.
Don't try to copy somebody else.
Don't try to be somebody else.
I was given that advice whenI started this by a, a very,
very successful podcaster.
John Lee Dumas, who does Entrepreneurson Fire, I mean, super successful

(53:19):
guy, and I was able to actually gethim on the phone for a little bit.
That was one of the thingshe said, just be yourself, be
enthusiastic about what you do.
She's enthusiastic about cars.
So that was pretty easy.
I, I, I think that was probablythe main thing, and just being
encouraging, saying, you can dothis, and I've got all the tools.
Here's the toolbox.
Open it and use them.
Because I've created thiswhole system of procedures.

(53:40):
And the other thing Iasked the why question.
Why do you wanna do this?
Because that exposed what the many of thepeople that were interested in taking over
the show, that's where things crumbled.
They didn't even know their why.
I always tell people, if you'regonna do anything in life.
You need to ask yourself why.
And I always say, go andlisten to Simon Sinek.
He does a YouTube, uh, Ted talk about why,and he explains the importance of whys.

(54:03):
I just deal with a guyyesterday he contacted me.
He has a podcast, but he's kind of newat, it's not really going anywhere.
And he wanted to bend my ear again,would've been a eight hour bend.
So I just sent him thisquestion and I said, you need
to define why you're doing this.
This will answer all the otherquestions you can't figure out yet.
And you need to write it down.

(54:24):
Write it down in detail your why.
From that, you'll be able to define yourmantra, your slogan, like the Nike slogan.
Just do it.
Mine.
I mentioned, uh, and all thelisteners who've listened to cars.
Yeah, inspiring automotive enthusiasts.
That became my why.
I remember when I started this, thereweren't many podcasts out there, and I had

(54:44):
so many people, why are you doing this?
Why don't you go run another company?
I'd been running GRE's Garage andyou know, had all these employees
and all those things and I said,well, I wanna do something for
myself, not for somebody else.
Even though I was part owner at Griosand I had a joke, I said, my next job
will have no employees and no commuting.
So I got that operate from my home here.

(55:04):
I didn't have to go anywhere.
I didn't have to deal with anybody,although I had a lot of employees.
'cause all my guests were.
Like employees.
So I kind of got that back, but that'sokay because when you're done with a
podcast, you fire 'em and they go awayand you don't have to talk to 'em again.
It's one way to look at it.
Yeah.
Kind of the way it is.
So I, I wanted to inspireautomotive enthusiast, and it
goes back to the, the second thingI said is, define your avatar.

(55:27):
Define very clearly.
Write it down.
I've got a three page writeup at thebeginning of this journey for me on my
avatar, and that is, who is your listener?
What does his or hername, are they married?
What age are they?
What do they do for a living?
But that comes back to whydo they wanna listen to you?
And in my case, it goes back,my avatar was a guy named Bill.

(55:47):
He was a very successful neurosurgeon.
He loved cars.
It went back to a friend ofmine, I'm still friends with him.
We raced vintage carstogether for a dozen years.
We even raced in the same class.
We both raced Lotuses andLola's and had a lot of fun.
But in Bill's case, he would come overevery Thursday night when I was at
Rio's to Boys Night Out, and I wouldinvite a bunch of friends over, had
pizzas, and we would work on cars.

(56:09):
I had an ulterior motive.
I had new products that we werebringing to market, and I would
give them to test them, and I'dkind of watch, how did that work?
Do you like that?
What do you not like about it?
They thought they werejust having fun with cars.
They were all test beds for me.
But Bill, one night hewas there with me late.
We are the only two people there.
And he goes, you know,I wanna do what you do.
And I said, bill, you're a freakingneurosurgeon, pediatric neurosurgeon.

(56:32):
You operate on baby'sbrains, on people's spines.
I mean, you save people's lives.
And in his dry way, he goes, well,most of them, he's a very funny
guy, but he's one of the best.
He said, no, you're working inthe field you love, you love cars,
and you come every day and you.
Work around cars.
I wanna do that.
So my goal when I retire is justto play in my garage around cars.

(56:52):
It always stuck with me becauseI had him on this huge platform.
This is a guy that saves people.
I mean, the brain surgeon jokes, right?
The only person smarter than abrain surgeon is a rocket scientist.
Well, the brain surgeon might disagreewith you there, but you know what I mean.
So that defining why, and then creatingthat avatar gets you back to your why.

(57:12):
And then from there you can startto figure out what you're doing.
And as far as the rest of the podcasting,once you get that figured out, you'll
be able to do what you wanna do.
And, and in Ginger's case, whenwe had our many, many talks, I
asked her all these questions, why?
And I was excited.
And you just heard her answerin a way that she wants to
take this to another level.
And that was my dream too, isthat this would live on forever.

(57:35):
And at some point Ginger will bedoing other things and she can
transfer it over to someone else.
Maybe it's somebody that is workingfor her and her business, maybe it's
somebody else who comes along andthen they can make it their own.
And by then, who knows, maybe we'll allbe driving flying cars and it'll be fly.
Yeah.
I don't know.
So,
so Mark, earlier you talkedabout having that plan and that

(57:55):
readiness and preparedness.
Ginger used an analogy with cookingand it's been sticking in my mind
that you have to have what they callin the cooking world, Nissan plus
everything in place before you getstarted, because podcasting is a career.
And if you read between the lines ofwhat you were just saying, there was some
advice there for the newbies that aregetting into this even today, because
more and more podcasts are comingonline every week at a scary rate.

(58:17):
It's one of the biggest boomingindustries in the modern era,
unlike a lot of other things.
And so.
You've given sage advice many,many times over, and a lot of that
surrounds perseverance and tenacity,which happened to be my middle names.
But that being said, I wanna pick yourbrain on Sticktoitiveness the long game,
because even with you transitioningto Ginger and Caria living on, it's

(58:39):
still one of the longest runningpodcasts, one of the most episodes in
its catalog in the industry as a whole,you know, 2,600 episodes, let's say.
How do you keep going?
How do you motivate yourself, and howdo you give advice to people to say, get
past the early milestones and set yoursights on 500, a thousand, 2,500 episodes?
How do you do that every morning?

(59:00):
It goes back
to why you have to ask yourselfevery morning that you get up and you
go, I don't want to do this today.
Well, why did you start it?
Did something change in your life?
Well, for me, I've been a carguy since I was a little kid.
No, it didn't change.
Now maybe it didn't move as fast asI'd liked or maybe it didn't generate
as much income as I dreamed of orwhatever those types of things would be.

(59:20):
But if you go back to thewhy, why am I doing this now?
Your why can change.
Certainly the way you do it can change.
The great thing about this, there'sso many supportive roles Now that
didn't exist when I started tryto find somebody to edit a show.
When I started, uh, nobody did edit a pod.
What?
Now there were some people, but.
Not really, but now there's thisgiant infrastructure around podcasting

(59:42):
businesses that support podcastingin all these different ways that
I could have only dreamed of.
Like, I wish I could have founda person to do that, but I
had to figure it out myself.
But for me, it was importantto know how to do everything
because there wasn't that support.
Like my website now, I've workedin design and advertising forever,
so I can design anything you want.
But when I had to create a website,when it went goofy, something went

(01:00:04):
wrong, it needs to be changed.
I'm still very proud of whatit looks like, but it's the
old WordPress structure.
I always say, you know, these peoplethat do programming or uh, coding, I
should say they're a different breed.
Because to me it was like having tobuild a carburetor on my kitchen counter.
Then going out to the garage tosee if the carburetor worked.

(01:00:25):
I came from a design world whereit now used Illustrator, Photoshop,
InDesign, all these things thatare just do magic and now ai.
There's a podcast group thatI'm still kind of a part of.
I don't do a lot with them anymore.
Two years ago, createda podcast out of ai.
With two people editing a chapterin his book and he played it for us.
It was 12 minutes long.
And he said there were nopeople, they didn't read the

(01:00:48):
book 'cause there was no people.
I just put my book online andwent, and you know, now you've
got Grok what it's doing.
Have you played with that?
Oh my gosh.
It's like having aconversation with somebody.
It's magical what you could do now.
So I just sit there and I go, wow.
If I'd had that tool,if I'd had this tool.
So Ginger's going into this withthe toolbox analogy, an entire
different set of toolboxes andtools that I could have only dreamed

(01:01:11):
about and it's quite wonderful.
So again, there's more competition.
Yes.
Again, back when I started, Ican't tell you how many times I
would reach out to somebody andsay, would you be on my podcast?
And they'd say, what is a podcast?
And a lot of them would say,I have no interest in that.
Nobody must be listening 'cause.
What is it?
I don't know what it is.
And then I would do some keynote talks.
I remember one I did with a, uh, companythat built high performance parts.

(01:01:34):
I went back to Alabama, gotit in front of 300 people.
And I said, how many people inthis room listen to a podcast?
Two hands went up and there was literally,I think there were 320 people in the room.
And I went, okay, how many people knowthat on this device you're holding in
your hand, there is a button you canpush and you can become a kaja listener?
And that evening I pickedup 280 subscribers.

(01:01:57):
I just showed 'em bypushing three buttons.
Now you're a subscriber.
My show every day will come toyour phone and you can listen.
So that was a key thing for megoing, okay, I gotta figure out how
to tell everybody how to do this.
But I was still new to social media still.
So again, you have to go back to your why.
To answer your originalquestion, why stick with this?
You have to go back to your why.
You just gotta get up every day and do it.

(01:02:17):
That's what every good person does.
And if you're lazy, thisis the wrong sport for you.
The treadmill never stops.
It never stops.
I, I, the longest vacation I tookduring this was I went to India for
18 days when my son got married.
And the work I had to do to planfor that trip to have all those
shows lined up for almost a,well, I did it for a whole month.
And then of course when you're inIndia, they have the internet there.

(01:02:40):
Yeah.
They're, they're techie.
Right.
But I still had to go and make, andI remember one show didn't load for
some reason, you know, so I'm midnightIndia trying to make, you know.
Uh, you just learn.
You just do it.
Try not to take it all so seriously, whichI don't listen to myself when I say that.
So, mark, you used thephrase, the original question.
You know, I've been thinking about that.
And for old times sake, let'sthrow in some classic cars.

(01:03:03):
Yeah.
Questions for you and Ginger to answer.
Okay.
If you're a fan of theoriginal cars, yeah, you kind
of know how the format goes.
So I decided to pick one for each of you.
All right.
So Mark, since you've got some extra timeon your hands these days, please share
a great book or two that you've readand you believe others would learn from.
Thank you.
That's a great question, Eric.
I will remind everybody listening.

(01:03:23):
There is an, and I hope I haven'teven asked you, Andrea, this,
she's gonna keep this on thewebsite, guest recommended books.
Thank goodness she's nodding herhead 'cause it's a huge endeavor.
But there are over 3000 bookslisted there on the website.
'cause I asked all the gueststhat question, 'cause I
think learning is important.
You have to learn all the time andreading is a good way to do that.
So that's one way I'm gonna answeryour question is go to the caria

(01:03:46):
website, click on the resources taband go to guest recommended books.
And there's over 3000 books therewith quick, easy click to buy.
Most of 'em are car, butsome are business related.
The other two books that I'll recommendare by a good friend of mine, Chris Pento.
He is a financial advisorand really sharp young man.
The first one is Capitalize your Sales.

(01:04:07):
I wish I'd had this book when I wasdoing my podcast because my weak
link was trying to get sponsors and.
Being good at that.
Ginger's gonna be an all star at that,so I don't worry about her there.
But this book is all aboutlearning how to do sales.
It's a very quick read, 172 pages,so you can read it in evening or two.
The other one he wrote is CapitalizeYour Finances Again by Christopher

(01:04:29):
Pan, O2 P-A-N-A-G-I-O-T-U.
Try to spell that and say it doesn't work,but he's a great guy and I wish I'd had
that book when I was younger 'cause I'dhave a lot more money invested and saved
up right now instead of spending it onrace cars and sports cars and other cars.
And more cars.
And more cars.
But those two books I would suggestthey're great for younger people trying

(01:04:53):
to get a grasp on their finances and alsowho need to be in sales and let's face it.
No matter what you do, you're alwaystrying to sell, you're trying to
sell yourself to your boss, to yourclients, your products and everything.
And it's a world that Ginger lives in.
So, uh, those are myrecommendations right now.
But I will say I'm in the processof categorizing my car library.
I counted, did over 900 books back there.

(01:05:16):
What, this is one, the advantage ofhaving so many authors on the show.
And, and Ginger and I have had afew authors together and she'll have
more, I'm sure they send you books.
So I have a car library that I alwayssay when I'm too old to get up and
get outta my easy chair, I willbe able to read books until they
just find me in there with bookspiled on top of me and I'm dead.
It's pretty cool, but I'm trying tocategorize 'em all so that someday,

(01:05:38):
and my son is an avid reader, he willknow what's there and he can either
hand 'em off to a library somewhereor add 'em to his big library.
There you go.
That's my answer.
Alright, ginger, your classic cars.
Yeah.
Question.
Tell us about a really specialcar bike or truck in your life.
Share great memory or experienceyou had with that vehicle.
Well, I'd have to say itwas my father's 1957 Chevy.

(01:06:00):
It was blue and silver metallic.
My dad raced local stock carswhen he wasn't racing stock cars.
He moved over to racing local NHRE events.
And if you've ever watched the movie Heartlike a wheel about Shirley Muldowney in
the very beginning scene of that movie,she's sitting on his lap when she's
little driving the car and they're goingreally fast and hilltop in a little bit.

(01:06:23):
Well, I did that with my dad in that car.
That car's the car.
He took me into my very, very first racewhen I was about six or seven years old.
The first racer I ever got to meet wasCharlie Mulani, you know, and listening
to, and watching her and seeing thecars, and listening to the cars and
meeting Big Daddy Don Garlett and ConnieColletta, and, you know, all those.

(01:06:46):
But, but it was the sound, thesmell, the energy, all that, but.
You know, watching Shirley,but I didn't have really very
much times with my father.
He was pretty absent most of my life.
And I think that's part of whyracing was always so important to
me was that was the one connectionthat I had with my dad was racing.

(01:07:06):
And the one connection that we had, theonly connection that we had was that car.
And that was really,really special for me.
And, and when I decided later in lifeto go into racing, going through a
very, very difficult time in my lifepersonally and medically, I was going
through a very life-threatening situationright after a very difficult divorce.

(01:07:26):
And I was in the hospital and I woke upfrom surgery and I decided right then
that I wanted to feel exactly the sameway I did when I was at a racetrack.
And while I was in the hospital,I actually wrote a poem of why
I love racing, and I'll shareit with you if you don't mind,
but it has to do with this car.
And it says.
I wrote this little piece a fewyears ago about my love for racing.

(01:07:49):
The words seem more appropriate nowabout just restoring the rumble of
life, and it's called When the smokeClears and it says, the heart begins
to beat from the roar of the rumble.
As you feel the earth shake,the walls start to crumble.
When you smell the sweet air, itignites the fire to desperately
fuel that winning desire As thewinds blow by drafting its way, any

(01:08:11):
darkness subsides to the light of day.
When the smoke clears from thevictory circle, your passion in
life is renewed for your miracle,and I decided that day I was going
to go and get a career in racing.
No matter what.
So will Shirley be on cars?
Yeah.
You know, I hope to have Shirley on.
I really do.
I got to meet her again a few yearsago at Bristol, and, uh, she hasn't

(01:08:34):
changed a bit, but, uh, I hope so.
And I, I actually, I plan on itand I hope so, and I hope she
can do it, so that'd be great.
But that's my special car.
What's next for Mark?
Are you officially retired?
Is there more to come?
What's going on in Mark Lane?
Well, yes, right now Jill and Iare in our fourth month of a major
remodel here at the house, andthat is eating up all my time.

(01:08:57):
We went through this 19 years agoin a much bigger way, and I was
run off every morning to work allday and leave Jill with the kids
in a house full of contractors and.
Chaos.
And uh, I think to this day shehas PTSD every time a power tool
starts up from that experience.
But now I'm here to help andI'm glad I am because there are
a lot of very minute details.
And I grew up with a father whowas an architect and a contractor,

(01:09:19):
so I've got a bit of that in me.
So we're almost done.
I think we're one month away.
Uh, other than that, we'vebeen traveling a little bit.
We have our third grandchild now.
So we head off to Arizona aboutevery two months to see them and
see my daughter and her husband.
My son and his wife travel a lot,so they, I was gonna say dump, they
drop off their child, which is a dog.

(01:09:40):
We've never had a dog, so it's likehaving a toddler in the house this
morning was especially challenging.
It was like, leave me alone.
I want the dog would not leave me alone.
But he, he's gotten us out forsome very long walks and my
wife does like six miles a day.
So we go out on these long, longwalks with the dog, which is good.
We're having a beautiful week here.
I have some trips plannedcoming up very soon.

(01:10:01):
I'm going to the La JollaConcor, which is my hometown.
Ginger's had three people fromLa Jolla Concor on the show
recently to talk about that event.
I've attended lots of Concord, hasbeen to 32 Pebble Beach car weeks
and historic races and pretty much,I dunno if not all the Concord,
'cause there's as many concourses asour podcast, as seems m these days.
But I'll be going to that.
And I'm going to Patrick Long,who's known for endurance racing

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with Porsche, his air water event,which is part of his lu cult events.
And that's happens to be the same weekend.
So I'm gonna go down to seemy mom while I'm down there.
My sister took off for Paris,so I'll be staying at her house.
I will get to see her, but I'llsee my mom, which is good 'cause
he's going through certainchallenges health-wise right now.
But I'm gonna sneak away for twodays with an old college surf buddy.

(01:10:44):
See Bernstein.
He's gonna come and be theofficial car Caria photographer.
He does that for us.
We'll do that for Ginger, hopefully inthe future, going to racing events and.
Takes pictures and kind of thing.
So I'm gonna meet up with him andhe's gonna go to both those events
with me and take pictures that wecan hand off to ginger for social
media, temp, things like that.
Yeah.
But other than that, I don't have rightnow, any big thing, as you say, planned,

(01:11:07):
I have some ideas in my head, but everytime I start to think, uh, do you really
wanna start that at this point in time?
You gotta find the why Mark.
I find the why.
Yeah, I've heard that.
Yeah.
You know, I've worked since I wasabout 12 years old, and so right now
it's a very weird time for me becauseto get up in the morning and go, oh.
I don't have to do anything.

(01:11:27):
It's kind of cool, is unique for me,trying to focus more on my health, so
more exercise, need to lose some weight.
Same old, same old.
So try to get myself in bettershape because as you age,
that's very important obviously.
But other than that, we'll see.
I'm playing around with some ideas forsome things, but I think I, one thing I'd
like to do is get back into photography.
I was very into photography for a longtime, and then I kind of steered away

(01:11:49):
from it other than just the iPhone thing.
Sold all my Nikon equipment, thinkingabout getting all new equipment
with the digital Sony cameras.
I've been talking to friendsof mine who do that for fun.
Talking to my friend Steve.
I don't think he's aNikon guy or a Sony guy.
I think he's a Canon guy.
But, uh, at any rate, yeah, there'llbe some fun things to come and, and
trying to help people out a little bit.

(01:12:10):
As my wife says, I need to learnto say no, and I'm learning
that from Ginger, her no rule.
That's, there's some things youneed to say no to, otherwise you
can end up helping people all day,which is fine, but at some point you
need to know when to stop that in.
Go do something for yourself.
So, um, yeah, but right now I'mjust kind of enjoying this bit
of freedom and my goal this yearis helping Ginger be successful.

(01:12:30):
So helping her edit shows,answering questions she has
going along and nudging her.
I feel like I need to give hera little nudge once in a while.
Yep.
Over certain things.
So,
yeah.
Pointing the divining rods atyou, ginger, what's the, the
next thing we're working on you?
Any spoilers, any special guests?
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
How about this big deal?
I was gonna say yeah, right?

(01:12:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Mark, you hit it head on.
I didn't want to hit head on.
I was trying to be subtleabout it, you know?
Yes.
There was a announcementthat was released.
Nationally that I had put together a, avery large deal, especially in the dirt
world of dirt racing between Hulk Hoganand his company, real American Beer
and, um, the World Racing Group and theFive Dirt Series under that umbrella.

(01:13:15):
And when you talk about World RacingGroup and the world of outlaws,
especially the world outlaw's latemodels, you know, you're talking
about people that aren't familiarwith is basically the NASCAR of dirt.
There hadn't been a deal like this in avery, very long time in the dirt world,
and I was very excited that a gentlemanby the name of James Case, who's the
senior VP of partnerships for realAmerican Beer, called me one day and

(01:13:37):
said, Hey, we are going into Motorsports.
We wanna go into Motorsport, and wewant you to lead us to it, and we want
you to take us where we need to be.
We announced the deal.
So there's a lot of thingsgonna be coming out of that.
It's growing really, really fast.
It's been fun that thispartnership's gonna be fun.
I get to play Switzerland 'cause Iget to work with both sides, right?

(01:13:58):
People always ask me to explainkind of what I do, my, my job.
And I ask them, well, if you'veever seen the movie Jerry McGuire?
And they're like, yeah.
And I say, well, I'm the femaleversion of Jerry McGuire.
Letting the motor sportsworld is a huge deal.
And there's a lot to come from thatand more things that I'm working on.
And probably some people on the show inthe near future from that partnership.

(01:14:19):
We'll just say that.
I knew it.
She's gonna have Hulk Hoganon the show I called it.
There it is.
Brother.
I'm pleading
the fifth, ripping hisshirt open, you know,
so, but no, I'm very grateful toHawk and his crew, and James and
Conrad and Terry, all of them thatare leading this charge with that.
And then also really proud of doing thisdeal with the world racing group in,

(01:14:41):
in their group of guys and, and gals.
It's gonna be fun.
And there's, there's more tocome in a lot of other series
that I'm working on right now.
But that's to remain
in, I got to meet Hulkat sema just by chance.
I walked around a car andhe was standing there.
We both turned right in each other's facesand Hulk Hogan, and he got a big smile,
you know, everybody was trying to talk tohim and just, he was the nicest person.

(01:15:02):
Took time, listened, you know, unlikesome stars, you meet and you can like, eh.
Get outta my face.
He was super, he was super great guy.
So yeah, this is a big deal.
Congratulations, ginger.
This is awesome.
And this will have some greatramifications for Caria and using that
Caria platform to carry things forward.
So really proud of you.
Thank you.
Yes, it was a multi-year deal and yes,and Caria was very much part of this

(01:15:26):
conversation for something in the future.
Woohoo.
Well, folks, we've reached thatpart of the episode where I like
to invite our guests to share anyshout outs, promotions, thank yous,
or anything else you'd like to sharethat we haven't covered thus far.
So we'll start with Ginger.
I'm in Victory Lane andI need to, oh, yeah.
And I need to do the,
you need to drink themilk and say something.
Yeah.
The Burger King and the, thank you.

(01:15:47):
Thank you.
Real American Beer.
Thank you.
World Racing Group.
Thank you Mark Green.
Thank you guys for having me on this show.
I especially wanna thank Markfor believing in me and giving
me this opportunity to share myvoice and, and share my passion.
But most of all entrustingme with his legacy.
And I, I couldn't be more gratefuland humble about the opportunity.

(01:16:11):
And thank you guys forhaving me on here today.
It was wonderful to meet you guysand, and talk and I'm sure we'll
be talking more in the near future.
Well, mark, you get the last
word.
As always, I encourageeveryone to listen to cars.
Yeah.
Ginger's weekly show.
And she, she said to me one timeshe might bring back more shows and
get to the crazy world that I had.
That would be awesome.
I know she could handle that.
I'm excited by the new guests that she'sbringing the new voice, the new thought

(01:16:34):
process, which is exciting for me.
'cause as I said, I want this tolive on, you know, having handed
what I say the keys over to Ginger.
I wish her the best success and,and encourage her to have fun with
this show and keep bringing allthose wonderful people forward.
And of course, if you wanna listen tocars yeah, you can find on any mobile
podcast app, new website will be coming.
I'm excited to see that,which will be very, very cool.

(01:16:56):
And of course, the social media sites.
Car, jazz kind of everywhere,YouTube and Instagram.
And I think the only place Inever put it on was TikTok just
couldn't get into the TikTok thing.
But we'll
see if that still exists soon.
Yeah,
maybe Ginger will en enlighten me.
And if any of you want to keep up withme, I just started my own Instagram.
I think I have 16 followers, so Woo-hoo.

(01:17:18):
I am backing away from socialmedia a bit because I spent so
much time on it and trying to spendmore time on reading and learning.
And with my wife Jill, we've beenmarried, as I mentioned, for 40 years,
so she's carried me and promoted me.
And the times I was gonna give up onthis, she just said, you gotta keep going.
Why'd you start it?
Why'd you start it?
And, uh, spending more time with my kids.

(01:17:40):
Being a grandparent is just insanely cool.
Still can't think of myself as a grandpa.
I think that's for old people.
But, uh, I guess I am.
So three little ones is awesome.
Hopefully there'll be more in the future.
So, uh, yeah, but you can find me there.
And I have my own Facebook pagetoo, so you can find me there.
Happy to accept, uh, anybody thatwants to, uh, hang out with me and,

(01:18:00):
uh, I'm trying to promote Ka as muchas I can, but I'm, I'm trying to take
some steps back away from it too.
As we wrap up this specialcrossover episode with Caria.
It's clear.
While one chapter is closing, anexciting new journey is just beginning.
Mark.
Your passion anddedication has shaped cars.
Yeah, into a go-to destinationfor automotive inspiration.

(01:18:22):
And your legacy will undoubtedlycontinue and resonate with listeners,
ginger, as you take the wheel.
We can't wait to see where yousteer Kaia next, bringing fresh
perspectives while honoring the spiritthat has made the show so beloved.
And with that, I can't thank youboth enough for coming on the show.
And Mark, I have to say,you know, you talked about

(01:18:44):
tenacity, perseverance, the why.
Inspiration is at the core of Kaia.
I've been thinking about it this wholetime that you guys have been talking.
Like you say, you never know what'sgonna come out at the end in the story.
And I thought to myself, there was amoment, even in, in my motorsports career
and and getting into podcasting thatI said one day I'm gonna be on cars.
Yet it was a goal.
And to use a phrase thatthe young kids use now.

(01:19:05):
I visioned it, I put it out there, itmanifested itself and I ended up on cars.
Yeah.
And so it's been an incredible ride.
It's been an absolute honor tocall you a friend and a mentor
and to be involved in the cars.
Yeah.
Universe.
I want to thank you for joining us onthis crossover episode, and we really
do look forward to what comes next.
We're staying in tuned for those newstories, the new voices, and of course,
the most incredible automotive journeysand passions that are out there.

(01:19:28):
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Until next time, keep the enginesrevving and the inspiration rolling,
and we'll see you down the road.
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