Drive Thru News #55: Dashboard Confessionals

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Welcome to drive throughepisode number 55.
This is our monthly recap where we puttogether a menu of automotive, motor
sport, and entertaining car adjacent news.

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Now let's pull up to window numberone for some automotive news.
One for the thumb baby.
Season six, we're kicking it off,and I know you're gonna correct me.
You're gonna say, but that's not right.
That doesn't make any sense.
'cause one for the thumbis a fifth one, right?
I don't know.
Technically this is our fifth full seasoncoming up here because our first season
was super short and it was only half.
So I count this one as our fifthfull one for the thumb baby.

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I mean, we've done 55 of these.
Did we even do drive-throughsin the first season?
Yeah, we did.
Our very first one was like inthe second month of the show.
Really?
Yeah.
Like August or something like that.
Wow.
We sold out that early.
We sold out.
I have news.
You have news?

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What's going on?
Actually, a lot has going on.
Um, your car's done.
Uh oh.
It it's done.
It's cooked.
Hooked.
What does that mean?
Yeah, what does that mean?
Oh, it's somebody else's problem now.
Oh.
Oh, you sold it.
You sold it.
I sold it.
Whoa.
Professional.
Let's get into it.
This, this is, this is, uh, breakfix dashboard, confessionals.

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Dashboard confessionals with Brad.
Look, he's a little misty-eyed about itfor the first time in a very long time.
You are not a Volkswagen owner anymore.
I know.
And it's gonna be for a while.
I can't remember the last timeI didn't have two vehicles.
What made you kick the habit?
Uh, I got tired of throwinggood money after bad.
That's the definitionof Volkswagen ownership.

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What are you talking about?
Exactly?
So when I have my, what should I buy?
I'm gonna have criteria,
but it's basically I was, itwas the right kind of car.
It was the wrong.
Car though it was the wrong specific car.
Right.
But it was what I wanted, but it,the car was too ragged out and beat.
It was like, I enjoyed working onit, but I would've enjoyed working

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on it, making it better, not fixingthe shit that the previous owner
had fucked up the whole time.
Like, yeah, I don't wanna sitthere and change brake calipers
and fix wheel bearings and all, andwheel hubs and all that bullshit.
I want to throw turbos and shiton it, and superchargers and
coil overs and all the fun stuff.
And I kept throwing.
Good money after a bad situationand it just kept getting worse.

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And the more I did toit, the worse it got.
And I mean, I was double intoit what I originally paid.
At least it sounds like my BMW.
Exactly, exactly.
Which is why I'm making a statement now.
There are only three,maybe four German cars.
I will consider purchasing in thefuture ever and 17 Japanese ones.

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So what are these four German cars?
I'm very curious.
So the first one is a mark four R 32,because I'll do it right and get the og.
Good luck.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So that would be the first one.
The second one is an E 46.
M three.
Yeah.
Just because I've lusted after thosecars ever since they were ever made.
The third one is a nine 11,because who doesn't want a nine 11?

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I don't want one.
Well, that's you.
You've already got a Porsche.
You've already got a P car.
The fourth one is probably even moreunobtainium than a Mark four R 32.
And that is the Mercedes CLK Black series.
Oh yeah.
That's number one on mylist if I have to buy.
We, and it's funny, Tanya and Iwere just talking about Mercedes
before we got on air, and she didsome car spotting on the road.

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She's like, I'm not sure if itwas a one 90 modified resto mod or
if it was an actual EVO two or ifit was a, you know, 4 65 60 SEC.
We're trying to figure outexactly like what late eighties.
Model it was or whatever.
But yeah, the CLK black isdefinitely right up there.
I'd like to interrupt our programhere in Arlington, Virginia.
You can purchase yourself a 2004Volkswagen, R 32 with 108,336

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miles for the low price of $17,981.
What color?
Silver.
They're not unobtainium.
They're just more expensive.
Which is fine because I'm notgoing to be in the market until
the kids are outta daycare.
You'll never get one of these.
Then I, I'm going to go 'causethey'll all, they'll all be trashed
or they'll all be destroyed.
Oh wait, you said daycare?
I was thinking like when theywere old enough to drive.
Nevermind.

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Oh, no, no, no daycare.
So like four years from now.
Yeah.
I'll be able to pick one upthen, or I'll get something else.
Still a 20 plus year old mark.
Four that needs everything.
So you're in the same boat all over again.
Yeah.
But at least at that point, I'll knowwhat I'm getting into and I'll be a lot
more choosy about the vehicle that I buy.
And I won't buy a car that was at auction.
Well, yeah, but the thing is,the mark fours and the mark

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fives don't share any DNA.
So you're going back in time.
You know what I mean?
I know.
I prefer the mark fours.
Oh, I, I feel you.
I feel you.
They're just more specific,you know what I mean?
Yeah.
But one thing I did find, you know,not to keep going down this train.
Oh no.
You dropped the bomb.
So yeah, I just dropped a truthbomb for the first, for the

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first episode of the new season.
Now we're going down this road.
The one thing I did find out between themark four and the mark five is there's
a lot more aftermarket support for themark four than there is the mark five.
Funny enough to this dayacross the board, yes.
Exactly.
So that was another thing I kept runninginto problem wise, is aftermarket

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support and even just stock part supportfor that car was really hard to find.
Like I was, I, I needed, after doing allthe rear suspension and everything, it was
to the point where I, I basically neededto replace the entire rear subprime Ooh.
Because it was so rustedout and everything, and.
I couldn't find one anywhere.
Yeah.
'cause there were only a handfulof those cars to begin with.

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Right Now, I will say build numberswise, there are less Mark four R 30
twos globally than there are Mark fives.
Like they brought 1500 to the US but Ithink total production numbers was still
under 5,000, which is not that much.
No.
Considering they brought 5,000mark fives to the US alone.
Right.
Exactly.
So that then, which is really weirdthat you would think you'd have more

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stuff available, but now you're in thatweird period of, well, how much of it is
shared with the second generation TT andyou know, all that kind of crazy stuff.
So, so I say, I say this and what I'll,what will actually ended up happening
is I won't be able to find one.
I'll still have the itch foranother Volkswagen and I'll, I'll
shoot for the star, the R 32 andI'll land on a 24 Val VR six.

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That's what's going to happen.
I got one on the trailer,it's ready to go.
I know, but I, I don't think you'reselling it and it's not street legal.
Everything has a price tag.
Everything's for sale.
As for street legal, you know,that's a whole nother problem.
But anyway, those are the only German carsthat I will consider buying in the future.
I will not buy another German car.
Wow.
The lesson is finally learned.

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I guess German cars suck.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's not true.
I'm kidding.
They're just not for me.
And to your point, my list of Germancars keeps getting shorter every year.
Yeah, yeah.
The older I get, the less Iwant to deal with all that.
Fucky.
Chicanery.
Yes, exactly.
I don't, I don't wanna, okay.
Any German listeners?
Anybody that speaks fluent German,can you please translate fuckery

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to German so I can use that word?
Farik.
Newgen.
That's what it, the translate.
It's fucking stupid.
That's what it's, uh, yeah.
All right.
So why don't we continue this thread.
This is now the showcase.
We're gonna talk golf Far becausethat's the first article coming
out of Volkswagen, Audi PorscheNews by talking about the latest R
edition of the golf that's coming.

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What makes it an R?
What makes any of these anything anymore?
I don't see anything special.
You tell me, is it wheels in the Brakes?
Because those brakes,they're not even Brembo.
I mean, look at these things.
They look like the stuff youget at Advanced Auto that say
like Corvette on the side.
You just screw 'em intoyour actual calipers.
It looks like you have a big brake kit.
I mean, what makes thisdifferent than A GTI?

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Do they even make the GTI anymore?
Is that the problem?
All wheel drive and more horsepower.
Like a hundred more horsepower.
Oh, so it does still have all wheel drive?
Yeah, it has our centercaps for the wheels.
And a really stupid looking Ron the back under the Volkswagen
symbol and that goofy exhaust andeverything else that goes along way.
Yeah, by outward appearances, otherthan the color, the Subaru Blue, going

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back to the original mark for R 32, thatVolkswagen R Blue is specific to the r's.
You can only get it on those models.
Whoop Deep frick.
It looks like every other STI out there.
And it was on purpose becauseit was competing with the STI
and the Lancer Revolution whenthose cars all came out together.
So they've kept that traditional, it comesin limited colors otherwise, but they're

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standard Volkswagen colors, black, white,red, silver, blue, you know, whatever.
Compared to the previous golfer,what makes it so special?
I don't even know whataddition we're on the mark.
8.75 or some happy horse hockey like that.
13 more hearse PERS than the last one.
They just kicked up one more PSIA boost.
Yeah.
More than likely it's stilldressed up with two 30 fives.

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They've been running the samewheel size since the mark fours.
How pathetic is that?
You got a car this big and they haven'tstuffed more rubber underneath of it.
It does look like it's lifted.
It looks like a Tiguan.
It does.
Well, the best part is.
There will be a wagon variantthat the US won't see.
Ah.
And it will have the exact sameperformance in a heavier car.

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Ah.
They even said it'll be slightly slower.
No kidding.
You're putting the same power in it,but you made it bigger and heavier.
And that begs the question, how much moredoes this weigh than the previous golf R?
Because 13 more horsepowerkeeps it at the same power to
weight ratio that it had before.
So it's not any faster.
The car weighs between34 72 and 3,500 pounds.

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3,500 pounds.
Still heavy for a golf.
That's what my old one weighed.
Yeah.
The golf R have always been heavy.
The original R 32 was like 33,almost 3,400 pounds, right?
Yeah.
Although they claim zero to 60and four point whatever, 4.6
seconds and a top speed of 1 67.
On what planet nor life.

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Yeah, right, exactly.
Who would pay $50,000 for this car though?
That's the punchline I wanted to get to.
'cause I called it, I said the golf R isgonna be 50 grand and the GTI is gonna
be right behind it with a 10 grand delta.
Who's gonna spend 50 grand on it?
And you know what?
I already, I have the memory of anat these days as I was listening to
WTOP on my ride in this morning, as Ido now, people still listen to that.

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Yeah, man.
It's the only thing she gets on her tape.
I was gonna say the am fm radio.
Well see, here's the problem.
I've already heard the 10 songs about150,000 times, so I gotta like stop
listening to the broadcast radiostations until there's a new 10
songs that I can get sick of hearing.
So you can switch to Spotify's Mix,which is the same 10 songs over

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and over again, at least those 10or 10 that I most likely selected.
But um, at any rate, you were listeningto NPR, sorry, I was listening to WTOP.
One of their new segments this morningwas talking about the price of cars
and how there's this boom happeningof more people buying cars at a

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hundred thousand dollars or more.
And I'm like, who are these people?
They started talking about Land Rover.
So that right there,that's a very niche market.
Of course, yes.
Okay.
But also, who are all these youngAmericans or whatever they were
saying that are buying these ahundred thousand dollars cars?
I mean, on the one hand, A GTI is $50,000.
Everything's creeping up a corolla's.

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$40,000. I mean, pretty soon.
Yeah.
It's gonna be pretty normal tobe like, oh yeah, I spent $80,000
on, uh, you know, grocery getter.
That's pathetic.
These people, the young Americansare YouTubers and OnlyFans models,
and I guess all these 10 99 ERs thatare in the entertainment industry,
we've talked about this before.
How many of these areleased versus bought?

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Like, whoa, you know, you old Zdeal boomers buying your cars?
Ha ha, ha ha.
Idiots.
Okay, fine.
But you know what?
I like my freaking car.
So over the long term depreciation,it's gonna end up costing me
less if I do the minimum amountof maintenance and not lease it.
I mean, again, I don't wannaget into that argument.

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Yeah, you can have a hundred thousanddollars car if you're renting it.
Sure.
What do you care?
Woo, woo, woo.
Rent that money, I guess.
So we've seen those stories.
Don't do the math.
At the end of your life, you've spenthow many hundreds of thousands of dollars
and you have nothing to show for it.
You could have owned a My boxwhen it was all said and done.
You probably own multiple my box.

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So anyway, let's ground ourselvesback in Volkswagen News.
So one thing I wanna addto this Golf R story.
It started with your recentlydeparted Mark V golf there, Bradley?
Yes sir. That was the first R golfthat came only in automatic and the
new one is only coming in automatic.
So we're gonna repeat the samemistake we made the first time, which

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is why the mark fives didn't sell.
Well.
I do not have high hopes for this.
I don't understand why they did thatfor the US market, because you could
get it with a manual in, in, in thezeros outside of the BMW and Porsche.
People that are like, save themanual, save the manual, keep the
manual, all that kind of thing.
There's been a lot more peoplesaying, I don't care if it shifts

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in 0.3 milliseconds on the street.
It makes, no, it doesn'tmatter who gives a crap.
We're not at the berg ring.
So it doesn't matter if it shifts themost efficiently that it possibly can.
They don't even sound good with the DSG.
It's all this, eh.
And it's like it shifts in10 seconds and it's over and
you're like, well that was lame.
At least, you know, if I wanna grannyshifter or if I wanna rev it out

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and you know, blip shift and allthat kind, you can't do that with an
automatic, it's just, oh, it's lame.
Yes, yes, but it's the bragging rights.
Oh, my car shifts in 0.23 seconds.
So much better than yours.
And I'm still dog shit slowaround Summit Point, Maine.
Well that, and you don't watch thelights properly and know how to read 'em.
Then I got you off the linebecause by the time you figured

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it all out, I'm already taken off.
Right?
So it's like big deal at that point.
And nobody can steal my carand you're still gonna get.
Your ass handed to you by a Tesla.
So it doesn't matter at the end of theday what you have, but the Tesla is gonna
get lighter as it goes down the roadbecause its panels are gonna fall off.
It's like the F1 strategy where the carsget faster as they use their fuel uhhuh.

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The Teslas get faster as they drop weight,literally down the middle of the road.
We'll get to that a little later.
The other thing that bugs me about this$50,000 golf R is that when you bought.
A golf R, especiallythe original R 30 twos.
You got a super nice interior.
Those Koenig high back racing seats handstitched this and embroidered that and

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the black Alcan roof, it was special.
Exactly.
It was a special car.
Well, Audis were always really,really luxury and really, really nice.
Especially starting in the nineties whenthey started to figure themselves out.
You had like really fine leatherand wood trim and you know, one of
the first cars to have the mobilecarone, all that kind of stuff in it.
I know that's ancienttechnology bystanders, but 30

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years ago it was a big deal.
Now there's these articles coming out thatAudi is even admitting that their interior
quality is getting worse every yearwith every model that they've put out.
But the price of the cars toTonya's Point, continues to climb.
So you're paying more and gettingless, which is what bugs me.
Again, going back to that GolfR situation, are you really

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getting something specialfor 50 grand over a GTI are.
We surprised the quality ofeverybody's stuff, for that matter,
I'm sure has been going down.
I'm sure it's not just them.
There's been talks about Mercedesquality going down ever since the.
Basically people would say thatthe best Mercedes cars were the
ones in the nineties and before.
Yeah.
Anything after that generation.

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It's all shit.
Yeah.
It wasn't it.
Back in the nineties, Ferraris andLamborghinis and Maseratis and like
the Italian brands were notorious forterrible dash quality and like the dash
up there on top of the steering wheeland all that were known to like crack
and blister and break apart and all that.
Yeah.
Porsche had that problem too, right?
Because they were experimenting withweird new plastics and composites

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and all this kind of stuff.
The materials didn't hold up well to uv.
Then you got the fun things,like you remember the nine 40
fours where they would put thislike carpet on the dashboard to
cover all the cracks and stuff.
You're like, oh, that looks so, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Terrible.
But you know, they solvethose problems over time.
Yeah.
The accountants are running the shop now.
They're making sure that theycut all the costs that they can.
Of course.

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And then you get inferior productsthat don't last long or you know,
and you know, no one's gonna havea real leather interior anymore.
Not cars that are meantmore for the masses.
Yeah.
There's, you know, a Ferrarisomewhere, even if they still do
maybe something super high end.
Maybach.
That was something thatBentley always took pride in.

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Like they would get cowsfrom a very special region.
We're cage free.
Like no fences, no way.
That's lying in yourLexus going down the road.
No, it's all pleather.
It's all fake stuff.
And then you already had decadesago, everyone using whatever that
stuff is called, that nasty spraystuff to make everything look so
wonderful and and nice on the interior.

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And then you know what happens after 20years, it becomes this gross, disgusting,
melted mess that stains everythingthat touches it and looks like garbage.
20 years, those cars are all gonna be inthe junkyard after that amount of time.
Well, and that's what I wonderwith these new interiors that are
admittedly lower quality by themanufacturers, it's like, what are
these gonna look like in 20 years?
What are they gonna look like in 10 years?

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Are they even gonna make it five?
What is it that Tanya used to say?
Hot garbage.
Hot garbage.
That's what they look like.
I guess Audi's gotta pay forthat Formula One program.
Somehow there, we found out thesecret that in the new R eight that's
supposedly coming, who's buying that?
The article is talking about, you know,hybrid V eight and all this kind of stuff.
And I said, that's great.

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The only thing that gets me excited abouta new RA coming is that maybe Audi might
return to IMSA in the GT three classeswith something that's sort of cool.
But again, if you're funneling allyour money into Formula One right
now, I don't think they can bedistracted with other high dollar
racing programs like ISA or even WEC.
So I was like, oh, you know, I wonderif Audi's gonna go back to lamont.

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It's not gonna happen.
I mean, unless money is suddenlygrowing on trees at VW and Porsche.
And all we've heard about forthe last year is plant closures,
downsizing, how they're losing money.
And now we got dealerships that arebeing sued for underperforming what?
How do you sue a dealer?
What does that mean?
I hope they counter sue for themanufacturer making shitty cars.

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Thank you.
Thank you.
'cause that's what I kept thinking, likeis it the dealership's fault that they
can't sell something that nobody wants?
I mean, if that was the case, whowants to be a Volkswagen dealer?
Well, and that's just it.
And I know one of the ones inour area, it was the same thing.
It was Volkswagen Subaruand Subarus outsell.
VWs nowadays, like threeto one, if not more.

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And it became over the last coupleyears, Subaru only, there is no
Volkswagen dealer here locally.
So we're like, oh, okay.
Well that's interesting.
Not that it matters.
I order all my parts from ECS anyway.
To your point, Brad, Imean, make a better car.
I mean, they make some boring stuff.
I will say Tanya and I drove by oneof the dealerships the other day.
There is still one up this way, andthey had three ID buzzes out front.

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So speaking of the ID buzz, Isaw one rolling down the road
today, may have been a wrap.
It was identical to the TeenageMutant Ninja Turtles bus.
Oh, nice.
It looked pretty sweet.
I, I gotta say, I didn't see if itwas Leonardo or Donatello driving,
but it did look pretty, pretty sweet.
One of the ones that we saw was thatyellow that they have, I don't know

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even know what to call that color?
Sunflower yellow or something.
Yeah.
And then they have the blue orange,and then they had an all white one.
And the all white one was like strikingbecause it didn't have the, it was
absent of color and you're like.
Oh, that's really interestinglooking, you know, all one color.
I'm like, I wonder what it would looklike in black, you know, or dark gray.
Yeah.
Like a eurovan instead of thistwo-tone sixties hippie bus thing.

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It's like, I don't know.
I, I don't like the hippie bus colors.
Eric, just for you.
I just put something in the chat.
All blackness.
Look at that.
This needs some red striping.
Yes.
It needs to be the 18 van.
Yes.
Oh, I see it.
Now.
We need to put a VR six in this though.
Get rid of that electric garbage.
Yeah, I guess if you read through thisa little bit more, so the complaint

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actually has been going on since 2011when they first started failing to meet
whatever their sales target quotas were.
And what they're actually saying is thatthere's other nearby dealerships that
are selling well and meeting the targets.
So that could be indicativeof a particular problem at
this particular location.

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Or they just care to focus more on theirSubaru sales than their Volkswagens.
Yep.
It could be anything.
'cause their customersdon't want the Volkswagens.
Yeah.
Their customers go to the otherdealers for the Volkswagens, one of
the other Volkswagen dealerships.
Sell other than Volkswagenscouldn't tell you.
So let's move on to Lower Saxony.
We did that last month and we don'tneed to talk about it again for

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like what, another five years or so?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that's our cycle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
BM, BMW and Mercedes not relevant.
We know what they have.
We know we're getting, that'sthe next time you talk about
cars that nobody wants.
That brings us straight into STIs.
STIs talk about a company thatcan't find their butt from a
hole in the ground right now.
Ah, this is what the Britishcall taking the piss.

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I'll just read the headlights.
Stellantis taps Swedish startup forQuadric cycle production technology
that uses a flat pack chassis.
We're talking Ikea style, buildit yourself kind of stuff.
This is what Stellantis isfocusing their attention on.
Company doesn't have anything to sell.
This ain't coming here, so ifthey're marketing it in Sweden,
I bet it'll do really well.

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Where is this being sold?
Not here.
Look at this vehicle.
In what Total recall.
Blade Runner demolition, man, it's,it's the murder, death kill cab.
This thing is horrible.
Nobody wants a car that looks like this.
You know what they're doing?
They're adding more fuel efficientvehicles to their fleet to lengthen
their mile per gallon average, orincrease their mile per gallon average.

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So they can build a 1200horsepower Hellcat demon,
Satan, Lucifer, Morningstar.
Ooh, the Lucifer Morningstar edition.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
Is this actually a car that's going intoproduction or is this like a concept that
they're trying to prove this flat packtechnology or whatever else they're doing?

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I'm gonna ask a question on top of yourquestion, and my question is, who cares?
Who cares?
So, I will say this, to answer Tanya'squestion, the car in the picture.
Exists already.
That's the lovely o whateverthat Swedish manufacturer is,
St whatever, FRG and Bergen.
But the point is, it's like Stellantisis partnering with lovely O to

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develop their own version of thisnot so lovely looking vehicle.
I mean, this thing is.
Oh, this is bad.
Just bring us a new charger orchallenger for the love of Pete.
All right, domestic news.
We got some domestic news.
Actually, Brad, I think youcalled this a while ago.
This is the greatest fearof all this stuff come true.
Headline reads, GM is sued for sellingdriver data to insurance companies.

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Let's be fair to gm.
GM sold your data to a third party.
Third party, then sold datato the insurance company.
Let's make sure that we factuallyreport that GM has to sell your data
because they're not selling many cars,
Bazinga.
They gotta find arevenue stream somewhere.

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There's so many old cars to still enjoy.
It is just sad.
This is the world we livein, where everything soon.
It's gonna be standard.
And I think we literally said thisprobably in the past, talking about
the same conversation is like soonyour freaking toilet is gonna be smart
and it'll be feeding information.
I don't know where the Charmin,pretty sure there are smart toilets

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that link to an app on your phone.
I saw advertisements, not for thetoilet, but for smart water bottles
that link to an app on your phone.
Why do you need that?
Because people can't just writedown or remember how many cups
of water they've had in one day.
They need an app to blink and tellthem, Hey, time to drink some water.
You.
Is it that complicated toknow that you need to hydrate?

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Am I such.
A Neanderthal that I can'tjust drink when I'm thirsty.
And if I'm not, I don't, I mean, not todivergent into that conversation, but this
is technology, be getting technology forthe sake of technology for no good reason.
And now that water bottle costs$250 and comes with a warranty
plan for Verizon or something.

(25:21):
Why?
Because it's cellular data.
Yeah.
Yes.
The, the problem is people buy this shit.
I don't know.
What's the bigger evil that thisstuff exists or that people buy
it, which therefore make it exist.
And it's all runningon Amazon Web services.
And don't even get me started on that.
That's a whole other episodebetter than CrowdStrike.

(25:42):
That's a whole nother thing.
But still, I mean, somethings just need to be dumb.
That's that.
All right.
General Motors.
And now we move to Asian domestic news.
Brad, you brought us this one.
Yes.
They're bringing out a new FJ cruiser,and I never liked the first one.
I thought they were dumb.
I had a friend that had one andhe flipped it over trying to off

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road through a construction site.
What?
No, no, he was, he wasn't off-roadingthrough a construction site.
He was off-roading at a friend'sfarm on his birthday and flipped it.
I'm still gonna go with what,that's my response to that.
That's all I know.
I wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
That's what I heard.
That's the, the scuttlebuttaround the water cooler.
So yeah, they're bringingout another FJ cruiser.
It looks like a Toyota versionof the Land Rover defender,

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which is exactly what it is.
It looks a little betterthan the original.
This is a rendering, so we don'tknow if this is chat GPT due and it's
thing or not, but I agree with Tanya.
It's better looking than the previous one.
Well, yeah, the previousone looks like a turd.
It's just goofy with thatlittle door, like whatever.
Well, if this is what it looks like, itlooks like literally a Toyota version of.

(26:48):
The defender.
Well, that's the promptyou put into chat, GPT.
Please re-render the LandRover as a Toyota boop.
And there it goes.
Yep.
That rear end is terrible though.
Regardless of what it looks like.
There is a desire for a Toyota off rotor.
I mean, they redesigned the Land Cruiser.
They redesigned the Sequoia, you know,when they did the Tundra refresh.
So the Land Cruiser was made alittle bit smaller and a little

(27:09):
bit more like off-road focused.
Yeah.
Than the previous one, whichwas a tank of a vehicle.
Jeeps sell well, Broncos sell Well,I'm not surprised that they're
trying to compete in that marketand the scout is allegedly coming.
Let's put air quotes on that one.
Here's my question.
You know, I always like to posea new question each episode.
What comes first, the NewScout or the new DeLorean?
Considering there's multiple companieswith the quote unquote new DeLorean,

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they might make it to market first.
Picking up where you left off on flippingFJS over in a construction site or a
car park or a farm, or whatever it was.
What about this next one?
What's the point?
Because other than the body panels,what is left of this being a two 40 sx?

(27:54):
I don't know.
And for those that can't see whatwe're talking about, it's an article
about some Japanese company that did aconversion to make a Nissan two 40 SX
into basically a Baja, a pre-runner.
So it's got a hood, it's got half of thefront bumper, the headlights and the door
panels, and the roof, and the rest of itis a custom chassis and everything else.

(28:18):
So what kills me about this is whycan't this be like a remote control
car, kinda like nascar, right?
Where you put a plastic body on thetop of this frame and it looks like
a Nissan two 40, why did we have tosacrifice a two 40 SX to make this?
So I'm gonna theorize I have anidea of what I think happened.
I don't care what the article says.
I don't care what the guy said, if hesaid anything about why he built it.

(28:39):
I think he had the chassis.
For the PreRunner.
He had a two 40 SX that was sittingin a field somewhere, didn't run.
Mm. He was like, I'm justgonna take these body pan.
I, I need a body for the PreRunnerI'll, that car's not running
and I'm not gonna fix that.
Let's just go ahead and slap it together.
That's like the top gear.
How hard could it be?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something like that.
So, I mean, the offroad inme thinks it's kind of cool.

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I mean, it would be kind of coolregardless of what body it had on it.
If it had a Toyota RAV4 body, if ithad a Toyota Super Body, the thing
that would make it sacrilege is if theyactually cut up a good working car.
But if they cut up a car thatwas already junk, then who cares?
I mean, yeah, if I kept that R, thingskept going wrong with it, I could totally
see doing something like this with that.

(29:22):
Because the only thing good aboutthat car was the body panels.
Are you sure about that?
Well, two or three of them.
Yeah.
I was gonna say you replacedsome fenders and whatnot.
I replaced the fenders, the hood.
I've still got the door downstairsthat I need to sell with the
wheels and a bunch of stuff.
Well, Brad, if that hasn'tgotten you upset enough, I
know you're a bike guy too.

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You've had plenty of motorcyclesand this next one hits not
so close to home for you.
Were you planning on going to the Bergring with the motorcycle anytime soon?
Yeah, I was gonna go nextweek, so I probably Oh, nice.
Which is really, it really sucks.
So I guess I'll just have tostick with the Isle of Man.
So article reads, end of an era, the BergRing Bans motorcycles from the Nord sfa.

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That's significant because.
S, they have a massive amount of folksthat ride bikes on the ring, and I get it.
It's a whole safety concern,is the reason why they decided.
But more importantly thanthat, it's not just safety of,
okay, well, it's motorcyclesrunning with other motorcycles.
Nope.
The craziness of the bergring as it always has been.

(30:23):
It's like, yeah, we'll send the cars outand the pedestrians and the motorcyclists
and the bicycles and the trucks andanybody that wants to pay to do a tourist
lap of the ring, you can just go out anddo a lap of the ring and they just send
them out and people go varying speed.
It's not like a controlled track daywhen bikes and cars come together, which
we'll talk about a little bit later.
It's not so good.

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I don't fault the ring for saying no MAs,but on the same token, maybe they could
have handled it a little differently.
Instead of just cutting 'em off, they aregiving them a couple of events and there's
a big bike only event that they do everyyear that I think is still gonna happen.
But as far as during those.
Tourist laps that they do.
Tourist faran, I believeis the German term for it.
That's no longer a thingfor motorcyclists cars only.

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Well, if you're into two wheels,oh boy, they still do the 24 hour
bicycle race on the berg ring.
That sounds like torture.
Sounds amazing.
How many laps do they actually get to do?
If I'm riding one lap?
One lap in 24 hours?
It depends who's riding itdepends how big your team is.
'cause you can be ona 2, 4, 8 person team.

(31:29):
Sweet.
But yeah, so no fun anymorefor bikes at the ring.
But to your point, Brad, there's stillaisle of man, there's still plenty of
other places to go ride your motorcycles.
Yeah, it stinks, but I don't disagree.
I like you.
I feel like they could havehandled it differently.
They could have had like, like do go aswimming pool, you know, you run cars for
50 minutes and then you take 10 minutes.

(31:50):
For 20 minutes and let motorcycles run.
And then you go back.
Adult swim.
Yeah, you do a adult ride.
There you go.
Yeah.
But there's a lot of logistics there.
'cause now you gotta act like a skiresort and then you gotta have somebody
that goes on the back end and goes,all right, this is the last car.
Yep.
The track's clear.
Release the motorcycles.
Oh, you mean organized?
You're gonna have a time delay inthere and it all becomes, it's gonna

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be organized, logistical nightmare.
It's like last rundown.
You gotta make sure all thepeople are down the mountain.
Right.
It's like, well, you gotta make surenobody parked their motorcycle on the
side and wanted to wait for their buddyand their nine 11 GT three to show up.
And then they go racingoff together, you know?
Good way to get yourself banned.
But that's how they do it now,which is apparently what they did
because now they're all banned.
Well, let's switch back to EVs andconcept cars and we'll head to France.

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Why for, you know, some creep, Suzette.
Oh, because for, for what?
You guys are lusting after.
Yeah.
Because it is a giant teaseconstantly from Renault.
With this, we're gonna build thenew R five, which is known as the
R five Turbo three E. And they are,but they're only gonna make 1,980
units, which is a throw to 1980.

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So they're gonna make 1,980 units ofthis awesome looking electric hot hatch.
They add more a CoutreMall to this vehicle.
Every time I see it, it gets better.
They just need to put a motor in it.
Like a gasoline motor and sell it.
Okay.
Make this EV version, but alsomake a petrol version that looks

(33:30):
like this and people will buy it.
Maybe it doesn't need 540horsepower, but maybe it does.
You all won't be able to buy it here inthe US for another 25 years, of course.
So 2052.
Why do you have to.
Burst my bubble like that, Brad, whyyou gotta bring in logic and realism
and just let me live this Frenchfantasy of owning this super hatchback

(33:53):
That ties into our, what should I buy?
Episode.
We just, I know, I know.
A nice little intro there forfolks as they get to tune in
for the rest of the season.
This is the hotness.
This isn't just a hot hatch.
This is El Fuego.
This is the hotness.
This thing is awesome.
That's what they should call it.
El Fuego.
They had a Reno Fuego.
It was terrible.
Go look it up.
It was hot trash.

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It was terrible.
Hot cottage.
Well, here's another de do moment.
Did anybody not expect this?
You know, there's reports that saythat by the year 20 30, 90 6% of
new vehicles will be connected cars.
You know, having built-in wifi,connectivity, access to all your
services and whatever devices.
But of course.
It comes with a cost because allthat stuff is subscription based.

(34:38):
Cool.
Yeah.
Every car has all this from a Kia to aBentley, but recent reports would suggest
that 76% of people in their survey thatthey did actually don't want any of it.
'cause they don't want to guesswhat paid the subscription fee.
Here's a novel idea.
Somebody buys a car, they pick and choosethe features and stuff that they want.

(34:59):
It comes with the car.
They buy it and then that's it.
No, you don't have to payanything else ever again.
And we've talked about this too.
We've moved away from that model in life.
Everything is microtransactionbased and they're just trying
to do it in the cars too.
Oh, you want your heated seats?
Here's the subscription.
You wanna be able to use yourwindshield wipers in the rain.
Here's the subscription.
You wanna listen to the radio.

(35:20):
Another subscription.
So I've got a logistics question.
Uhhuh, from a manufacturingperspective, is it more cost
effective to build all the cars withall the features already built in?
Like for example, the oneTanya just said, heated seats.
You build the cars, you put theseats with the heated seats in, and
then charge people to turn it on.

(35:40):
Or is it cheaper to save on the materialsand have some cars with the heated seats?
In some cars without the heated seats,like, which is more cost effective.
So I've always argued that long termit's cheaper to have all the features
in there and then have them disabledthan it is to have cars with and without
because they make them so hard to updatebackdate because what are you gonna do?

(36:03):
Like as an example of our, you runa new loom for your heated seats.
Yeah.
You're gonna run your own wiring forheated seats, just put the wiring in
there and then it doesn't, you know,there's not a switch to activate it,
which is actually the point of a videoI saw on Instagram the other day.
A guy has a newer BMW and he's gettingaround some of these things because
they put what would be a physical platefor like buttons and it has no buttons.

(36:26):
But he realized inside of therethere's like a little control board.
So he 3D printed these little likeactuators and he made like the fog
lights work and he made some otherstuff work that like had no physical
buttons that were quote unquotesubscription only because again,
the computer is just turning on acircuit, on something mechanical.
He was able to get around itand I said, that's gonna happen.

(36:48):
Then they're gonna be like, oh, that'slike piring the car, blah, blah.
We're gonna come afteryou void your warranty.
Yeah, yeah.
FBI warning.
Right.
Although it's not anything that alreadyhasn't been happening because cars
that are sold in Europe are different.
Slightly, yes.
And the car sold in the US take thecomfort climate control switch that I

(37:09):
need to install in my mark for in Europe.
Was a standard feature that you could haveone touch turn signals, not a standard
feature on the US cars, however you canget the module and install it on the US
based car because all the stuff is there.
Yep.
This has already been happening.
They already do this.
They're just making more work forthemselves at the end of the day.

(37:29):
I mean, I think I agree that it'sprobably long term cheaper if you
just put everything in there andthen you either turn it on or off
or you hide it, but it's also.
Why they had packages and cars, right?
Like, yep.
To your point, Brad, of I wannabe able to choose what I want.
Well, it's okay.
Well, I want the midnight murderedition, and that comes with, you know,
X, Y, Z, other features and duh duh.

(37:51):
Or I just want the Conno BoxToaster edition, and I have
roller crank windows still in it.
Yeah.
I think though we should make thedistinction with these cars that the
interior stuff should be all the same.
All the creature comfortsall the human stuff.
Touch the button, get this,the heated seats, the heated
mirrors, the power window.
Like that chef should be standard.

(38:12):
I think the exteriorpackages should be optional.
Do you want the midnightmurdered out, no Chrome Edition?
Do you want the big wheels?
Do you want big breaks?
Do you want stuff that can be boltedon to the basic car that you don't
necessarily need for every day?
But as a commuter, as a driver?
And I think that's the other thingtoo, is the Europeans especially.

(38:32):
They drive, but they don'tdrive as far as we do.
And, and I'm gonna justlay that out there.
America's a lot bigger and we do goa lot more distances in our cars.
You know, it's not like a hop, skipand a junk from the DC area to Florida.
I mean, granted, we can get on a plane,but the thing is, if you're taking these
long trips like we're used to in America.
You want those things,you might not need them.

(38:54):
You know you live in Texas, butthat one time you went to Denver
to visit your friend and it wasfreezing 'cause you were skiing.
It's nice to hit the buttonto turn the heated seats on.
Even though 99.9% of the time inDallas, you don't ever use them.
Just give me the stuff andI'll use it when I want to.
Well then that feeds into theirsubscription based model because
99.1% of the time I'm not using it.

(39:17):
But that 0.9%, uh, let me justpay the month subscription.
'cause I'm gonna be skiing this month.
Cars shouldn't have micro transactionsbecause how much did you pay?
As we talked about many timesfor that Tesla, for that F-150,
for that nine 11 for the BMW.
You're a hundred thousand dollars intothis car and now you want me to pay 4
99 for the heated seats for a month.
Hell yeah, get outta here.

(39:38):
But they're brainwashing peopleinto that because every other
aspect of their life is that way.
It's awful.
It needs to stop their third appendage.
I call it the digital enslavement device.
Or whatever the extension of theirhand, the cell phone is nothing
but a microtransaction suck.
They had to try.
They all had to try, right?

(39:59):
They had to try and get on thebandwagon and see if they could
make it work, but unfortunately.
This is an area where, yes, peoplespend a lot of time in the car,
but at the same time they don'tspend as much time as other things.
So I don't think they're willing topay for that kind of stuff because
their digital enslavement device,they're staring at that while they're
driving, not anything else in the car.
So what the hell do they need allthese other special features for?

(40:21):
'cause they're just staring at theirphone anyway, going down the road.
They're warming you up to theidea of the autonomous vehicle.
That too.
And like a lot of those futuristic shows,you know, you watch like upload or you
watch, you know, the new this, the newthat, whatever it is, and they're like,
oh, hello John Smith, blah blah, you'reon your way to the blah blah blah.
Would you like me toqueue up this for you?
And then it's like B deducted from yourbank account because you know it's part

(40:45):
of that concierge service now ratherthan part of the driving experience to
have those, you know, creature S Canyou imagine you could get into your car
and it knows your order so it alreadycontacts Starbucks as soon as you get
in the car and your order's there andthen you drive through the touchless
personless drive through, it's Starbucksand it goes chaching deducted and
then you pick it up out of the windowand you just keep going on your way.

(41:08):
There are people rightnow going, yes, yes.
Yes, I want that.
This is like the smart water bottle.
Some things should be dumb.
You Boomer.
I'm a Neanderthal.
That's what it is.
This is like that episode of Black Mirror.
All the people are riding thebicycle like, and they have to,
to ride the bike to generate Yes.
You know, points to do things.
And then they spin their points, Dogecoin,their government efficiency coins.

(41:30):
And then they're dicks.
No, they're, they're dicks.
I've merged the Doge inthe efficiency coins.
Sorry, this is scary to me is what it is.
What you guys are talking about.
It's very scary.
And you're a hundred percent rightbecause if it works with cars.
Generally it works with other things.
You can already pay $5,000for a refrigerator that it

(41:52):
will tell you what's in it.
It's connected to wifi,Bluetooth, whatever to your phone.
And I think it can createlike a grocery list.
'cause it knows you're low onmilk and gives you a warning,
Hey, you need to buy milk.
So what stops it from going,Instacart needs gallon of milk.
Do, do, do, do.
And then boom, you have amilk delivery at your door.
Again, there are peoplegoing, yes, yes, I want this.

(42:13):
I need this in my life.
And they're the same people inthe movie Wally that are just.
In the wheelchair thing, more likeIdiocracy watching the nut Punch videos.
There you go.
I have a sure fire way to see what'sin my refrigerator and know when
I need to go grocery shopping.
Here we go.

(42:34):
It's really simple.
I walk over to the refrigerator,it takes me about 10 steps.
I open it and I use thesethings called eyeballs.
No, but look at all that energy you'rewasting by having the door open to look
if the fridge can just tell you or havea camera for you to view inside it.
You know, Tanya, it must be my newhealth conscious lifestyle that is

(42:56):
driving this non laziness for me.
I'm sorry I, I know that'snot majority of the the world.
You got it all wrong guys.
See, this is where.
Married life comes into play.
You learn the game and you turn toyour significant other and you say,
Hey honey, go check the fridge.
Do we have any mustard?
And they go, Nope.
And you go, okay.
I didn't even waste thetrip to the refrigerator.

(43:17):
Look, I don't need a smart refrigerator.
I got a smart spouse.
What the hell do I what Ineed on this electronics?
But what Eric isn't telling you ishe's asking his smart spouse from his
office, she's sitting on the couchin the living room, he's asking her
a question to go check the fridge.
She doesn't get up.
She just says no.
And now Eric has four bottles of mustard.

(43:37):
There's a Samsung refrigerator meme thatsays the Samsung's new fridge will ping
your phone if you leave the door open.
And the reply is.
Why the fuck doesn't it just closethe door itself if it's so smart?
The next thing they put hydraulicopeners on the, like, the Rolls
Royces and a fridge will cost $5,000.
No, I, I got it.
So, so I figured out how me as alayman who doesn't have a smart

(44:01):
fridge, can see what's in myfridge without having to get up.
I put my GoPro in the refrigerator
because I've got a GoPro lying around.
I put that in the refrigerator andI just queue it up and I can use
the GoPro app to my phone and thenI can pull it up and say, Hey.
We're outta beer.
Well, this next one is actuallysomething smart for change.

(44:24):
I came across this article,I found it fascinating.
I was like, wow.
Something I can kind of nerd out on.
And coming at the heels of a lot of theseEVs being in production for over a decade
now, and it talks about how firms areputting a new spin, pun intended, on EV
motor technology and how they're trying torecycle and harvest materials out of older

(44:47):
EV motors into these new designs that theyhave and how much more efficient these new
motors are, and how much more power theycan generate and all this kind of stuff.
So I won't get into all the technicaldetails, but the punchline is.
As we've always said, EVs areextremely wasteful because of all
the precious materials that areused to create them, not to mention
their detriment to the environment.

(45:08):
You know, harvesting all these rareearth metals and all this kinda stuff.
So these firms like zf, youknow, one of our favorite German
manufacturers is working on.
How do we take these older motors apart,reuse some of the pieces, you know,
recycle them down, melt them down, turn'em into something else, whatever it is.
And so I thought this was actually reallycool and I just wanted to share it.
Obviously this is a great idea, but isn'tthis something that ice manufacturers

(45:31):
have been doing with ice cars?
The cars go to the junkyard, they getbroken down to their raw materials.
Aren't those materials recycled andthen put back into other things?
Why do you have to come in withthat pin again and burst my balloon
with this logic and realism?
No, absolutely.
Now, the thing is there are rareearth metals in things like catalytic
converters, but it's not nearlythe same amount of quantity or

(45:55):
quality that that exists in an ev.
So they have to go about it in acompletely different way to recycle.
Of course.
I feel like ironing out the recyclingprocess years ago would've been smart.
Yeah.
Is that the point of this article?
Probably not.
Well, it is and it isn't because Ithought they were also talking about
using a whole other motor technology.

(46:15):
Correct.
I only skimmed through it.
So magnets.
But they're magnets made from rare earthelements, but then those earth elements
are actually recyclable and they couldremake magnets once the magnets wear down.
Correct.
And so you kind of have this.
Cyclical never ending.
I mean, sure, sure.
At some point you get to a pointwhere you've lost enough of it that
you need to replenish with new.

(46:37):
But that's interesting.
If they're coming up with a differentmotor technology that's not necessarily
relying on what they're doing today.
Exactly.
Still doesn't solve the problemof mining for rare earth
metals for the batteries yet.
That hasn't changed yet, although there'sa whole fit, Panasonic and lg, and there's
all these new batteries that are comingthat are not supposed to be lithium based,
but we've heard about that for the last.

(46:57):
Five years.
So who knows?
Well these things take time.
They do.
Well now it's time wemove on to Lost and Found.
Brad's favorite part of the drivethrough where we try to see what
Chuck led Duck and Gray Chevrolethave to offer us this month.
Well, I'm not going to cars.com, butI will see that apparently there was
an abandoned Ford Escort Cosworth.

(47:18):
Two of them actually.
Yeah.
One only has 12 and ahalf thousand miles on it.
And as we learned from an upcoming, whatshould I buy episode, the Brits go nuts
for anything with a Cosworth badge on it.
Right.
Correction.
Apparently the Brits go wild oranything with a blue oval on it.
Not necessarily just, yeah, that's true.
For whatever reason, theyloved them over there.

(47:39):
So these cleaned up, got running again.
They will sell for a pretty penny,so they are projecting the cars
could fetch over a hundred grand.
Then someone could takethat money and buy a civic.
Ain't that the truth?
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Continuing with Lost and Frown.
Brad, this was another one you brought us.
It's from Haggerty, according toyou, you being, not you Brad, but
the audience cars that never gotthe engines that they deserve.

(48:02):
And I went through thisextremely long list.
I didn't really need to go pastthe first one on this list.
The Dodge Dart.
Yeah.
So I love the writeup on this wherethe crowd is saying, oh, the modern
Dart should have got basically Alpha'sone T that came in the four C and
blah blah blah, and this and that.
And you know this.
And I'm like, another four banger.

(48:24):
Who cares?
Put a V six in this thing, put astraight six in it, five cylinder.
I don't care.
Ooh, a five cylinder would be cool.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't take a 1.4 turbo and then say,oh, I'm gonna put a 1.8 turbo in it.
Like.
Really, 400 cc does not makethat big of a difference.
You can turn up the wick on those Abarthmotors pretty high and make really good
horsepower if you're gonna do something,put a six cylinder in it, what it really

(48:47):
should have had, because the DodgeDart actually wasn't a bad looking car.
It was a pretty cool looking car.
You know, if I was in the market fora little, a little con car, yeah,
I would've probably considered it.
They should have made an SRT versionwith the motor from the, the SRT neon.
Yeah, for sure.
The, what was it, the two literor 2.5 liter or whatever it was.
The turbo motor.
The Perche motor, yeah.
That is what they shouldhave put in this car.

(49:08):
Yeah, I agree with that.
A thousand percent, butthey just never did.
Yeah, they did the Abarth motorinstead because fiat, and that's that.
Although those 1.4 literturbos, they sound really good.
They're really throaty for what they are.
But again, it's a front wheeldrive, like you know what
you're getting yourself into.
Yeah.
It's ANCA car.
It's not meant to beanything else but Anca car.
There's all the usualsuspects on this list.

(49:29):
The Fiero, the Prowler.
I was surprised by the Citroand Ds and the Cadillac ante.
And then there were thingslike the Fiat X one nine should
have had a different engine.
And I just sort of scoffed at that going.
Yeah.
And what did Fiat have in 1973when the X one nine came out, other
than a one and a half liter engine?
Like, give me a break.

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What are you gonna put in it?
And then there was some talkabout the Panther chassis, which
is, you know, your Crown vs.
Which I think is dumb.
I think the Crown Vicwas fine with the 4.6.
Yeah.
It was built for longevity,not for performance.
Exactly.
You could get the performance version,which was the mercury marauder,
which did have the modular motor,uh, make it 300 plus horsepower.
So quit crying about it.
If that's not what thecar was designed for.

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Some vehicles are designed for certainpurposes and they don't need all of that.
And then one, one that kindof got me here is the cc.
Yep.
I thought there was a V six cc.
Yeah.
You read that too, right?
Because I was, I read that andwent, did you guys not realize
it came with a 3.6 liter VR six?
Hello?
I don't know.
That was sort of astupid nomination there.
Then there's the, one of all, the ones,the most obvious one outside of all the

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malaise era cars, which there's a reasonwhy those cars got those pathetic engines
that they had, you know, the gas crisis.
We've talked about that onwhat should I buy as before?
It's the DeLorean.
Yeah.
We all know should havegot a bigger motor.
There were reasons for that too.
So my argument to a lot of this is.
Some of these cars are old enough now.
Do the swap.

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Yeah.
Or they've already been done.
People putting Hellcat engines and LSSand every, it's Ls swap the world folks.
If you have the money in the wherewithal,you can take any of these, I hate to
call them gutless wonders, but they are.
And turn them into somethingawesome because that technology,
those engines that we want them tocome with didn't exist until way

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after they were out of production.
So it was a nice little fluff piecegoing down that little tangent.
You know what would be really cool?
In a DeLorean, what's that?
A two, Jay-Z, A big turbo.
Straight six Toyota, twoJay-Z and a DeLorean.
I don't know that it would fit back there.
No, I, I don't, I've never seen the back.
Two Jay Z's pretty long.
It is the DeLorean's big, but itdoesn't have that much space back there.

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Like it'll fit a V eight becausethe, like a LS is tight, but yeah.
Uh, in line six, I don't thinkyou're getting it back there.
Okay, well nevermind then.
It's a good idea though.
I like it.
I mean, you know, we couldjust cut the back of it off and
just have it hang out there.
So it's all good.
I mean, you could.
That's an option.
Alright, well we said weweren't gonna talk about Tesla,

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but this month it's unavoidable.
We have to talk about this one, right?
Tanya?
You know what, we'll talkabout the two things.
We'll talk about the first one, whichis a public service announcement To
those of you out there who have electedfor reasons that you can keep to
yourself about purchasing a cyber truck.
But if you have, there is a total recall
on every single cyber truck that'sbeen produced and sold due to.

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Exterior panels, trim pieces inparticular that may detach themselves
from the vehicle at any point in time,including when driving weight savings.
So please make sure you get intoa service station to get that
fixed before you injure somebody.
So wait a minute, is therea Tesla service station?
There is one in that WH and Diesel video.

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I have seen some and there'snormally a tremendous amount of
Teslas parked in the parking lot.
I don't know what that means.
Well, the Tesla's not selling them,so they need a place to put 'em.
So they just park 'emin the service station?
No, they're recalling them.
Oh yeah, they're recalling all of them.
All the ones that they did sell.
The ones they can't sell,they're just sitting there.
It's like the Ford F two fiftiessitting in mall parking lots and stuff,
because chips, I think a lot of peopleare hoping that they're just going

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to stay there when they recall themand maybe crush them or something.
I think nowadays that might be the case.
So somebody brought up a good point aboutthat too, is what happens to the cyber
trucks that have been wrapped or painted?
Is Tesla gonna pay tohave those wraps redone?
No.
Those are actually being held together bythe wrap, so they're probably more stable.
Oh, oh, the, the adhesive from the wrapis better than the Elmer's glue that.

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Tesla used originally.
You got it.
Moving on from that, thereis an interesting article.
This is so good, that was posted byElectric and it's discussing this
YouTube video from a former, I thinkNASA engineer now turned, you know,
YouTuber as everybody does at acertain point in their life apparently.
But the point of the video and hisassessment was to compare LIDAR

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versus the camera system of a Tesla.
You guys watch this?
I did.
I did.
Yes.
So it was 18 minutes long forthose, they might be interested.
The first about eight minutes of itactually had nothing to do with Nope.
Typical YouTube garbagepeople stop watching.
So they didn't actually see what happenedbecause they broke the seven minute mark.
Yeah, so it was about eight minutes and30 seconds of nothing to do with the cars.

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It had to do with Lidar technology,but as it was applied to.
Taking Lidar footage of Space Mountainat Disney World and the Haunted Mansion
ride, which if you're into that kind ofstuff, I found the Haunted Mansion part.
Interesting.
'cause I didn't realize how far awaythe ride actually was to the entrance
outside of the park fence line.

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At any rate.
Fast forward about eight minute30, where he then starts to go into
a comparison test between a Lidarvehicle and a Tesla model three.
It was a model Y. They alllooked the same, correct?
It was a model Y. So basically heran it through six different tests,
which were pretty interesting,trying to simulate real world events.
The first test was stationary.
Dummy of a child in the road.

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Can the lidar see it?
Can the Tesla camera see it?
Both the cars were able tosee the random child object
that was standing in the road.
No problem.
Then they did the test.
Of course, the child that shoots out infront of the road from behind another car,
you know, stimulating that neighborhoodexperience you might get that is so fake
because kids don't play outside anymore.
So that is not a valid use case.

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That was an unrepresentative use case.
Could be a, a dog.
I guess that's when they, when theystart adding player characters to fours.
A horizon.
Yeah.
There you go.
And speaking of dogs, if you own anall black dog, please don't let it
out on the street at six o'clock inthe morning when it's dark outside,
because it's really hard to see whenit's standing at the edge of the road.

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Not if you have xito light bulbs.
I don't think I would'veseen it even with those.
The dog was not harmed.
It was busy sniffing at a tree.
Any rate.
So second test, childrunning out, both passed it.
Then it gets interesting.
They tried to simulate fog or whatever.
So they had fog machine, da,da, da, lidar, wind, Tesla,
camera fails, which was awesome.

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And then I knew the nextone, it was like rain.
I was like, this is gonna be exactly thesame, which was a deluge of rain that they
shot like three different fire hoses out.
Was not representative of anormal rain situation, though
it could be representativedriving through a hurricane.
Lidar winds, Tesla fails.
Then they did the xito headlight test.

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Yeah, the xito headlight challenge,which I actually was kind of wondering
if the Tesla was gonna make it or not.
But they both passed that test.
I will say the lidar passedall the tests better.
I think it stopped sooner.
It recognized, yes, the objectfaster than the cameras.
And then there was the final test.
So funny, which, oh God.
Which was, which was the hookkind of on the whole article.

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'cause it's Tesla autopilot drivesinto Wiley E Coyote, fake road
wall in camera verse lidar test.
And they literally set up a fake wall.
Very much Looney tune styles that blendedin with the background of what they were.
But to the human eye, you instantly couldsee the guy wires holding this wall up.
You, you knew that there was a wall there.

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So what do we think happened?
I know what happens besideswhat the title says.
Wiley Coyote hit the wall.
Wiley Coyote not only hit the wall,went through the wall, it was like
a styrofoam wall and everything.
Obviously, he didn'twreck his Tesla for this.
I mean, it just goes to show thesuperiority of the Lidar system because.
As he said in the video, the lidar doesn'tcare what you had painted on the wall.

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The lidar knows there's somethingthere that shouldn't be there.
The camera couldn'tdistinguish that it was fake.
It just saw, oh, open road.
It couldn't tell that that was anobject Impeding the lane of travel.
So it blew right through.
It didn't even hit the brakes.
Not only that, the lidar could penetratethrough stuff, which was part of what
they were showing even at the nightvision where it was picking up things.

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If you notice it was lighting up things onthe side of the road because it's lidar.
Right?
Right.
So it's, it's getting that resonanceback so it knows where objects
are, regardless of what's going on.
So it could have done theWiley Coyote test in the dark?
Oh yeah.
With the headlights offin all the conditions.
The rain could, you could've done everycondition and the lidar would've won.
Overall, the Tesla would'vegone through every time.

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A hundred percent.
Two points.
One, didn't Elon say something aboutLidar being dumb or stupid, or not
usable or, or something like that?
Wasn't he quoted sayingsomething like that?
They were never gonna use anythingbut cameras on the Tesla is what
he, I believe he said, yeah.
For some reason, I thought he said,like, specifically said something
about lidar not being good attechnology or something like that.

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And two to the Tesla's defense, 90% ofthe drivers out there in in the world
would not have been paying attentionenough to see that it was a Wiley coyote
wall and they would've hit it as well.
I don't, I don't know that that'snecessarily, that's probably
true when you're looking atTikTok instead of driving.

(58:54):
You probably would've driven through it.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're on the road,you're doing about 50 miles an hour.
I mean, unless your situationalawareness is where ours is, I can
see how Joe Blow soccer dad endsup just driving right through it.
'cause it was pretty convincing.
And they did a reallygood job with the wall.
I will say, I believe in the early,early days of Tesla, I thought

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they started out with radar, ifnot a mix of radar and camera.
And then he basically, I think atsome point was like, well, the radar
technology's not here, so we'regonna go camera, we're gonna double
down, quadruple down, quintuple down.
And I think he's so dug inthat the cameras are superior.
He doesn't wanna backtrack,although like what does he care?

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'cause he is happy tobacktrack on anything, I think.
But I don't know what it is that they'reso dug into the cameras, but it's
like, come on the Lidars way superior.
Can you record Lidar footage and sell it?
No.
No.
You cannot have your Tesla watchyour neighbors doing inappropriate
things for others to be viewingthrough their front windows.

(59:57):
From the driveway.
Correct.
Inside or correct outside the car.
Do there, but your Teslais always recording.
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
And it's doing something with that data.
But the car is using lidar.
I mean, they're not recording the lidar.
No.
It's just, it's live.
It's what?
So I think that's, that's good point.
Think that's one of the reasons.
I mean, it's storingdata and data is money.
There you go.
There we have it.

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The other thing that came out of thisalso was some further investigation
about the autopilot system.
And in a situation like this, whetheror not it was true or false, that
it disengages and they prove that itdisengages right before it figured out
that it was gonna have an accident.
It's too late.
Yeah.
There's been arguments about,oh no, well autopilot, you know,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

(01:00:38):
So I'm like, okay, we're, we'rejust gonna leave that where it is.
But I think we already know where thingsstand with respect to autonomous driving.
You can't do it with camera alone.
There's no way you're gonna have access.
You're gonna kill people.
But the thing is, it's not only that,it's the liability on Tesla that
basically they caught it on cameraas the system disengaged itself.
So then if you looked at the blackbox recorder, autopilot wasn't

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engaged at the time of the accident.
Now the liability's back onthe driver because they weren't
handling the car correctly.
Well yeah, of course.
'cause you were always supposedto have your hands on the wheel.
You're supposed to stillbe paying attention.
Well, if I had to fucking payattention and put my hands on
the wheel, then I'll just drive.
Then I might as well be driving the car.
Difficult.
I know.
It's like smart water, which iswhy autopilot it does not exist.
No, it does not.

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And I won't get on my soapbox.
It sounds like the Teslapeople say, let go, let God.
The Tesla did the same thing.
You got to the point whereit's like, I'm gonna let go.
Let God Jesus take the wheel.
Jesus took the wheelright through the wall.
Well, that's unfortunate.
Lower expectation.
I read this next article and Ijust said, is this a Daniel thing?

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The only thing I could say is,stop buying cars on Facebook.
Marketplace.
I would never buy a car on Facebook.
Marketplace.
I would never buy a car site unseen.
Go put your hands on it.
Go see it.
To verify it.
Do your Carfax.
Like, I know all that stuff isannoying, but you know what?
I don't wanna deal withindividual sellers anymore.
I will go to CarMax,I will go to whatever.

(01:02:06):
I just don't wanna deal with it anymore.
Right.
I don't wanna deal with the hassle.
And I know, Brad, you just soldyour car privately and all that.
I'm not trying to say anything.
No, I didn't sell it privately.
Wait, how'd you sell it?
Carvana.
You sold your car on Carvana.
Ooh, they came and picked it up.
Damn.
Just like the commercials.
They came and picked it up.
I didn't wanna deal with tirekickers and all that bullshit.
I just like, you know, andthey gave me a good deal.

(01:02:27):
So I was like, you know what, screw it.
I mean, they gave me more thanI paid for it originally, so.
Well, they're gonnajust take it to auction.
They're not gonna do anything with it.
Well, exactly.
I, I asked the guy, I was like, thiscar's destined for auction, isn't it?
And he was like, yeah,I mean, it's too old.
Too many miles.
It's too beat up.
I was honest.
I put it, it's in rough shape.
They're gonna take it.
They're gonna take it straight to auction.
They're not even gonna mess with it.
Yeah.
But whoever gets thatcar is gonna be lucky.

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'cause it does have the UnitedMotorsports triple tune on it.
Nice.
They're lucky.
Unfortunately, this other gentlemanwho bought a Ram 2,500 from
Facebook marketplace, he is out28 grand and then he was two weeks
later surrounded by the police.
That took him and his truck awaybecause it turns out the car was stolen.
But he didn't know that red flag.

(01:03:09):
Number one for me is thatit's a 3-year-old Ram 2,500.
So heavy duty for only $28,000.
Right.
That's a red flag to me.
Well, that's why he jumped all over it.
He was like, that's a good deal.
That truck should be easily double that.
I wouldn't pay 28 grand for that truck.
Well, no, but think of the mulch youcan haul with that truck, Don ya.
Ah, think of it, that short bed.

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The moral to the story is juststay away from Facebook in general.
But that's a whole nother conversationfor a different podcast, not this one.
Well, that's unfortunate for that person.
It is.
I feel bad because.
Stuff like that happens all the time.
And, and I bring it up jokingly aboutDaniel because he's got a story, his
first of three Duallies whole transactionand it disappeared in Texas somewhere.
And I'm like, oh my God, man.

(01:03:52):
Like it is what it is.
But that's really, really unfortunate.
But do your homework.
At least run the VIN and make sure the carisn't stolen, because I wouldn't want the
poppo showing up somewhere along the line.
Somebody would've flagged it.
Like where's the title for the vehicle?
Exactly.
The title would be inthe dealership's name.
How was he able to title thevehicle or get plates for it
if he didn't have a title?

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So many questions.
This story stinks for some reason.
It does.
It really does.
It's a little fishy.
As we transition into our next segment,I wanna close out lowered expectations
with the rest of the center story.
Did you finish it, Tanya?
Yeah.
So I did finish the Netflix Sena Docudramaseries, whatever we wanna call it.

(01:04:33):
The Shusha love story.
Yeah, Suha love story.
Um.
I did not listen yet, unfortunately,to the podcast review.
So am I giving my comments now oram I waiting till the next time?
I mean, that's up to you.
So I will say cinematicallyand all that stuff.
I think it was.

(01:04:54):
Well executed.
It was a good production ofa, of a show, of a series.
I mean, his family and everything had,I think, a big hand in the script and,
and the development of and everything.
Right.
I think you can tell that because maybethose that aren't familiar with the Senna
background wouldn't have picked up on it.
Or maybe you would, but there was verymuch a reverence through the whole thing.
It was almost like it wasJesus Christ on the screen.

(01:05:17):
Every time you saw him.
It was always this passion of the center.
That's the sequel comes out on Easter,that a Pontius pile and it, it pros
punches pro.

(01:05:38):
Punches pro sent Christ and punches prost.
Oh my gosh.
No, but there was definitely justlike this awe and this reverence
constantly and the way the camerasand everything was was on him and he
was so soft spoken and I don't know.
And he was kind of, I guess.
Softer spoken in real life too, butI don't know him, obviously I never
got to meet him, all that stuff.
Was he really as nice a guy as theyportrayed him to be like off the track?

(01:06:01):
On the track?
I don't think they quite portrayedhis, his ego, his red mist, all that
stuff that he think he could be.
I think they glossed over a lot of that.
I don't know if it's true, and youprobably talked about it in the
podcast and I'll have to listen, but.
After a while toward the endthey portrayed his relationship
with pros to be very chummy.

(01:06:22):
And I'm like, did this really happen?
They're like, suddenly their B, f, F andit like they were hardcore bros on like
his final day alive and all this stuff.
And he, it was like prot was thelast guy he ever spoke to before
he died and all this stuff.
And I'm like, that's like a complete.
Fricking 180 from what wethought the relationship was.
Is that even true?

(01:06:43):
It's like, was it drama,theatrics, their relationship
and they were actually chummy?
Or is it just we threw the chum in there.
That pro was like, y'all can'tmake me be the devil here.
You need to listen to the podcast episode.
So I'll answer will be revealed.
That's right.
So we're gonna put a pin in thisand next month you'll come to us
and tell us what you thought aboutthe three-way crossover between me.

(01:07:07):
John Summers, the motoring historian,and William from the Ferrari marketplace.
So you'll have to let us know.
I feel like this should just bea segment for the entire season.
Like we spend like two minutestalking about Tanya's review of
this and the podcast and likewe only get two minutes for it.
Tune in next week for whateverelse happened with the podcast.
And Tanya, same times,same center channel.

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There you go.
We have some rich people.
Fangs sponsored by Garage Style magazine.
'cause after all, whatdoesn't belong in your garage?
The only really.
Bit of important news herethat I wanted to point out.
We got a press release by way ofWilliam Met Exotic Car Marketplace.
Concorso Italiano.
One of the main events during Car Weekover in Monterey is celebrating its

(01:07:49):
40th anniversary this year and they'vealready put tickets on sale to the event.
These big name Car Weekevents sell out fast.
So if you are headed to Monterey thisyear and you wanna get in on Concorso,
which is a gorgeous show I attended, theone in 2023, all Italian cars, everything
you can think of, including some graymarkets, get your tickets now because
they will not be available if you waitto the week of to go check out Concorso.

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So all the details in the shownotes, very, very cool stuff.
So Tanya Brad decided that wewere gonna rename Florida Man
to at least for this month.
Are you faster than an interceptor?
So it's time we go down southand talk about Roscoe Pico train.

(01:08:46):
Roscoe p Coltrane.
Apparently Roscoe in North Carolina hasjust gotten a big upgrade to his vehicle
fleet in the form of a Ford MustangV eight interceptor, and the title is
Feeling Lucky, and I stopped there.
It's like dirty, hairy.
Make my day punk.

(01:09:07):
And I said, okay, V eight Mustang.
We're talking high speeds, feeling lucky.
We've all seen cars and coffee, so maybe
feeling like you might get away.
What happens if it's a police interceptorMustang chasing another Mustang?
So what you do is you go into a parkinglot and then you exit the parking lot.

(01:09:31):
The Mustang's Achilles heel.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, you got it.
See?
See?
Well, that's like that shot on Instagramof all the highway patrol Mustangs at
the parking lot of the police station.
How many of those survived on exit?
But you know, this is not uncommonfor the state of North Carolina.
They've, for some reason, alwayshad the fastest cars in the

(01:09:52):
country as their highway patrol.
They had Camaros back in the day.
They've had Corvettes, they'vehad all sorts of stuff.
So did Florida.
Yeah.
And so this is not anythingnew, but to your point, when
he's sitting in the woods.
You might have a minute or twobefore he catches up with you.
Oh my gosh.
Well, we are gonna go north actually for ahot second, and uh, I have been to Sunday

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River in Maine, so this one is an idiot.
You don't sing.
An idiot, Subaru Impreza driverwho decided that he was going
to try and drive on a ski slope.
I just wanna know what hewas trying to recreate.
Was it the classic eightiescommercial from Audi where they
drive the 5,000 up the ski slope?

(01:10:37):
Or is he trying to recreate the grandtour where they came down the ski slope?
So which one is it?
He didn't get very farfrom what I could tell.
He basically made it from the littleshort news clip that they showed.
He didn't make it up anything.
He was basically at the bottom of a greenat the start of a lift, hit the lift.
So they say he did like $45,000 ofdamage to the ski resort, let alone the

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damage to his own car, which apparentlywas a lot of excessive body damage that
they didn't show a picture of his car.
33 years old.
You should know better.
Should you though.
You should.
You know, if it's a 23-year-old,maybe he's originally from Florida,
transplanted up from Florida, you,he's a Florida man transplant.
The Maine doesn't understand howall-wheel drive actually works.

(01:11:25):
Know ground clearance is important.
You know, not street tires.
Yeah.
'cause basically deep ruts, I mean, just.
Buried it, uh, whatever wasn't idiot.
But that's not how Subaru sellstheir all-wheel drive systems.
Some giron take their Subarus outto Roush Creek, the off-road park.
Oh my God.
They're lifted.
Foresters, you know, it's, it'sa terrible idea, but they do it

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because Subaru drivers are special.
Bless their hearts.
Earlier we talked about the new R eightand we talked about bikes, and we talked
about bikes and cars coming together.
I don't even understand what the R eightdid to go off the road into a tree.
Everything in this video is dumb,and then I don't understand.
The motorcycle had so muchtime to see what was happening.

(01:12:07):
How the fuck did you still run overthe debris of the R eight and fall?
I laughed at that because Iwas like, what are you doing?
I mean, obviously this wasn'tstaged because why do you wreck
a a hundred thousand dollarscar, whatever the RA costs?
What I saw from the R eight was theywere booking pretty good because the
video starts and the bike's already doing90, and the Audi's way ahead of him.

(01:12:27):
Oh shit.
You're right.
Okay.
Didn't see this pedometer.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then he breaks.
In the middle of the turn at Apexand then the carb gets away from
him and there's no runoff room.
So he just wipes out.
He almost went like straight off.
Yeah, I don't know what tree he hit'cause there's no tree there anymore.
So he obliterated whatever tree that was.
This is like that F 40 thatwrecked like the same thing.

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You know we saw that other video, but toyour point, the bike, I laughed 'cause
I was like, where were you looking?
There's nobody in the left lane justget outta, you ran over the rear
bumper and then dropped the bike.
Like what are you doing?
Yeah, I don't know.
It's the most bizarre 30 seconds ever.
But again, this is why I. Bikesshouldn't mess with cars on the street
and vice versa because it alwaysends poorly one way or the other.

(01:13:12):
And I'd hate to say, you know, goget your jollies off at the track.
But unlike the berg ring, wealready know cars and bikes
don't mix, so we don't do that.
You can go to a track day with a bike.
I mean, they have bike track days.
Yes, but this isn't the bike'sfault like this all started.
No, the Audi, yeah, the Audineeds to go to the track too.
Going to the junkyard.
We don't know what was happening before.

(01:13:32):
This is a clip of that guy'svideo, so we don't know what Yeah.
Ass hattery they weredoing up until this point.
And the motorcycle just caughta glimpse right before he nails
the drive axle or the bumper orwhatever that was, uh, in the road.
He was doing 25 miles an hour.
So he slowed down from the90 plus and still hit it.
Oh God, but still hit it.

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Well, he was doing Dave's of Thunder.
You're trying to drive through the smoke.
The other driver too.
I'm like, okay, first ofall, you shouldn't have
been doing 90 at that curve.
You should not on that road at all.
But also, why are youstaying in your lane?
You should have been like cutting.
Yeah.
If you could see around the corner,you apex that corner, you don't
pretend like you're like on a slotcar track and try to stay in the lane.

(01:14:16):
Just because you have a fast cardoesn't mean you can drive it.
If you're gonna driveillegally, go full illegal.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean that car is totaled.
Hopefully the passenger wasn't injured andthe driver wasn't too fiercely injured.
Alright, now we go back down to Flora.
Actually, I don't, what did,where did that one take place?
Where were we with the R eight?
Did it even say no?

(01:14:36):
It, I don't think it did.
I don't think it said, we don't know.
We were somewhere where that happened.
We were on earth.
Maybe we don't know where we were,but now we're going to florid.
Oh my.
And you know, we, we haven't had oneof these in a while, so we are due
three months into 2025 and we hadn'thad a beer fueled stolen ambulance
chase, but here it is, folks.

(01:14:59):
Oh God.
Bingo.
Bingo.
You got your Florida Bingocard at my card is complete.
Bingo Dodge Dart at NASASpace Flight Center.
We got 'em all now we've checkedall the boxes and I don't even
need to say anything else.
I. He steals an ambulance, he's drunk,he goes on a chase, they catch him.

(01:15:19):
You know, it's typicalSaturday night things.
Yes, but what were the cops driving?
That's what's really important.
Now that's what we need to focuson, not the mustang va interceptors.
So what you're saying was he had a chance.
He had a chance.
He had a chance.
So for those of you who are playingFlorida, bingo, hopefully one of these
days will have a nice, uh, gator story orhops into the crick to escape the poppo.

(01:15:45):
Oh, those are my favorite.
And they get naked while they do it too.
It's, it's amazing.
And we also need a gooddrunken lawnmower chase.
Oh, those are excellent.
Alright, now this last one is less funnythan like piss you off a little bit.
So apparently there's some guy downin Texas who is going around and
there's a video, there's a couple likevideo clicks, short little Instagrams

(01:16:09):
that you can see of him, quote,test driving these cars and they got
the dealer guy and his passengers.
He's just abusing the F outof these things and I'm like,
why are you doing this first?
It's stupid.
Some of the times he is like on apublic road with other people in
traffic just driving like an asshatt begging to have an accident
like the R eight and like, what areyou getting out of this other than

(01:16:29):
trying to get your Instagram likes up.
Why are you doing this?
Because he saw the Jeff Gordonstage videos from 20 years ago of
the, remember he would go in Yep.
In disguise to the dealerships.
Mm-hmm.
And drive the Camaros.
But that was all produced by gm.
It was all on purpose.
It the Super Bowlcommercial or whatever too.
Yeah.
I guess he's trying to do thereal relay version of that.

(01:16:50):
But I mean, he's getting the likes onInstagram, 175,000 views or whatever.
It's funny, they can't catchthis guy yet, apparently.
'cause I guess he's using a fakename and then he never shows
his face in any of the videos.
So I don't think they'veactually caught the guy yet.
Wouldn't the dealerships have cameras?
Wouldn't they see him?
Isn't that, I don't know.
And don't you have toprovide a driver's license?
They don't just give you, unless youhave a fake ID and everything lies on it.

(01:17:13):
I, I have no idea.
Like how you haven't caught this guy yet.
Yeah.
Is confusing.
This could also be BS as wellto get people to go into those
dealerships for all you know.
So I have a confession to make.
Uh oh, dashboard confessional.
Yes.
This is my dashboard confessional.
When I was younger, in my twentiesor so, one of my hobbies was going to

(01:17:34):
car dealerships and test driving cars.
Some of them were carsthat I was interested in.
Many of them, most of them were cars.
I really was not going to be able tobuy, but I wanted to be able to drive
them so I would take them for a drive.
Now they were all normal test drives andyou know, it wasn't like I was doing what
this guy was doing, but when I met myfriend Andrew, he was working at CarMax,

(01:17:55):
the first time I ever met him, I went withthis other guy and we went to CarMax and
they had a 96 or 98 SVT Cobra on the lot.
And I was like, Hey,can I test drive that?
And he was like, sure.
I mean he, he thought Iwas a potential buyer.
And so I took it and that onewas a little more reckless.
I got the car sideways a couple times,almost did a cars and coffee and yeah.

(01:18:17):
And now we've been friends for 25 years.
There you go.
What this guy is doing is trash.
Are you sure you did it or didthe Mustang actually do it to you?
It might actually be thenatural behavior of the Mustang.
It was like the movie MaximumOverride, like I was just along
for the ride like everybody else.
Autopilot Pontius pilot took the wheel.

(01:18:38):
That's what Tesla needs to call it.
It's not autopilot.
It's Pontius Pilot.
Pon pilot.
That's awesome.
Oh, and just like him,the autopilot washes.
Its hands of it by disengaging man, Jesus.
Oh, you can't take the wheel.
That's right.

(01:18:58):
Oh, Jesus'.
Hands are tied at the moment.
Now we have to go behind the pit walland talk about motor sports news.
Brad, what did I, what did I what?
What happened?
Guess what?
Guess what?
Guess what?
Um, guess what?
I subjected him to.
You made him watch a race.
I made him listen to it.
It was on the laptop in the garagewhile we were doing some work.

(01:19:19):
I had the race playing, so heat least was listening to it,
possibly sometimes seeing it.
So I'm just sitting here waitingfor Eric to say, I told you so.
Thank you.
He said it multiple times.
He said it multiple times.
Thank you.

(01:19:47):
I'm gonna be nice.
Bullshit.
When are you ever nice
flag on the play.
I'm gonna start with Alonzo's.
He was baffled by his unlucky crashthat came out of nowhere because
it was the same freaking cornerthat everybody was trying to cut
in the rain through the sand trap.
And if it worked for the first guy,it must work for the rest of us.

(01:20:08):
Meanwhile, crash off intothe side eating a sandwich.
He's done.
I kept saying it.
I was like, every time somebody camethrough that turn to that chicane,
I'm like, guys, you know it's raining.
The curbs are slicker than snot andyou've got this garbage sand on the
inside, and you saw it happen with Ptri.
He coded his tires.
He made it to the next corner and thenhe was off because he had zero traction.

(01:20:31):
After putting it through the sand trapand you're confused by what happened.
This is like racing 1 01, driving in the rain.
The rain line is where you have grip.
Also, don't touch the curbs.
No kidding.
Like we learned all thiscrap in HPDE, like we learned
it all a million years ago.
But again, their Formula One, theyare the best drivers in the world.
They need to go back to HBDE.

(01:20:52):
I think he was surprised by the crash.
Meanwhile, there's all theInstagram videos of Alonzo.
I never wanna speak to the media again.
I have nothing to say to you people.
There's nothing new to talk about.
I am a robot.
Do not interview me anymore.
I'm like, whatever, dude.
Isn't it time freaking retire?
It was a Sunday.

(01:21:13):
Jesus was busy.
He didn't have time to takethe wheel in that case, let's
get to the punchline here.
Okay.
The juiciest part of theepisode is about to happen.
Let's get to it.
Hamilton first, race of the season.
McLaren wins.
Lando Norris, P one oh Max forstopping P two because of p's.
Unfortunate slide in the last few laps ofthe race, as was just mentioned, Russell.

(01:21:37):
Mercedes.
P three.
Give us the rest of the drivers betweenRussell Mercedes, the inferior Mercedes.
Mercedes can't develop a car.
Mercedes.
Rookie Driver, Jimmy Antonelli.
Fourth place Uhhuh.
Alex Alvin Williams.
Fifth place Uhhuh.
Lance Stroll.
Aston Martin.
Sixth.

(01:21:57):
Nico Holberg's.
Kick Solver.
Seventh place O. Okay.
Charles LeClaire Ferrari.
Eighth place.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
What haven't I heard yet?
Oscar Ptri McLaren.
Ninth Place.
Who should have been second?
Wait, hold on.
We're in ninth place.
We're like almost out ofthe points at this point.
A two position drop from hisqualifying position of eighth Place.

(01:22:20):
Who was in 10th place?
Who was it again, sir? Lewis Hamilton.
Seven time World Champion, Louis Hamilton.
Oh, okay.
Alright with his debutGrand Prix with Ferrari.
Now I will say a couple things.
One, the Williams teamreally surprised me.
Science was in P two during practice.
I'm sorry, feel bad that he wreckedhimself out on like Lab three,

(01:22:41):
another one where Jesus was busy.
And then the next thing I'll say,
not today, not today, not today, CarlosJesus put up a sign and said out to lunch,
it's the time difference in Australia.
He was like, nah, man.
True, true, true.
He was in another part of the world.
I'll also say it was mostlya rain race the whole time.

(01:23:04):
Pretty much rain races are veryunpredictable and a lot of shit happens
and a lot of the grid doesn't turn outlike it usually does during a dry race.
So rain races do have a lot ofvariability flag on the, I can't
even use the referee whistle anymore.
I'm gonna get a vula and be like.
Because isn't Hamilton toutedas like one of the rain gods?

(01:23:25):
Like when the weather gets bad,then Hamilton comes to life and
all this bs.
Maybe in the Mercedes he was,that's the Hamilton of 20 years ago.
Because the Hamilton Isaw in Australia in 2025.
Hang it up brother.
You're done.
We'll give him the benefit of a fewmore races to see how things turn out.
We're gonna make it to the thirdround and I'm gonna tell you it's

(01:23:47):
gonna be the same from then on.
He was also having trouble with theteam strategy and like understanding
the team strategy and stuff.
It's, I mean, I'm not saying, I'mnot saying you're wrong, Ferrari.
Ferrari though.
Yeah.
Ferrari did what Ferrari doesin offense or defense, whatever
would be appropriate for here.
They did Ferrari themselves becausewhen it did start raining hard at the

(01:24:09):
end of the race, everybody else pittedand they stayed out too many laps,
kept trying to go on the hard tiresand when they all finally pitted it f
LeClaire, he would've been way higherup based on where he was had he pitted
with everybody else, but they kept themout and they did a typical bullshit
Ferrari strategy of like two years ago.
Yeah.
They looked like they were in thedrive through line in McDonald's,

(01:24:30):
like one car behind the other.
Like what are we doing here?
This is ridiculous.
The thing is that strategy, Idon't know how to understand,
how you can't understand it.
Like they're gonna tell youto pit and you come pit.
But the strategy behind the wheel, whenyou're on track, you're driving and you're
supposed to be driving to your limits andpushing past your limits and being the
the God amongst Gods Actually not anymore.

(01:24:51):
See, because.
They actually tell them notto as the strategy then what
is the point of this anymore?
What I've observed over the lastfew years of coming back in and
watching it is they go really hard.
Like the first two, three laps, they tryto like win at the first corner basically.
And then after the first couplelaps, everybody just dials it
back and they go into cruise mode.

(01:25:11):
It's tire preservation and then theyall try to punch it in the last two
laps of the race to win it again.
But no, it's not like 20 years ago whereit was like, we're going hard every lap.
12 tenths the whole time.
No, they go like 11 tenths the firstlaps and then they go seven tenths
for 40 laps out of the race andthen they start dialing it back in.
Like they literally, like you canlisten to the strategy where they're

(01:25:33):
like, oh, you know, don't push,don't push, or, or then they'll be
like, okay, it's time to push now.
Can you go faster?
Are they giving birth?
Like what is all this push up?
You know?
Eric, to your point, they don'tmake drivers like they used to.
Can't all be sna can't we?
Oh, oh,

(01:25:55):
I, I'm just saying Hamilton wreckedthe Ferrari at the test track.
I don't think it's gonnaget any better for him.
And I don't wanna hear about how, oh, newteam, you guys told me all this stuff.
They'll pull that.
'cause I already saw a thing whereit showed his first years in any
of the three teams he's driven in.
He did not win.
So even when he moved to Mercedes thefirst time, his first year was crap.

(01:26:18):
He got points, he got some podiums and allthat, but he was not one the first time.
And the same thing with likeMcLaren for the one year that he
did it, I guess, or whatever it was.
And then, so people are gonna say ifhe has a bad year, they're still gonna
hang it and they're gonna be like, oh,he did it in with the other teams too.
So we're gonna hold outfor, you know, next year.
Uhhuh.
Yeah, sure.
Just like every football team.

(01:26:39):
But the point is.
By that point, he'll be two yearsolder than when he transitioned over.
Oh yeah.
He's aging out of Formula One.
He just needs to stop.
You can't beat Father time.
And it might just be that,you know, reflexes are down
the drive to risk your life.
He's already provenwhat he needs to prove.
Now the thing is, if he's still gotit in him to say he wants to better

(01:27:02):
Schumacher and not be tied withSchumacher, then he's gotta do it.
But if he can't, then he can't.
It is what it is.
There's plenty of other champions outthere that have settled for, I did
what I came to do and I'm done, andwhat's the point of hanging on and
collecting a paycheck at this point?
Because to come in 10th.
10th.
Well look at Alonzo.
I don't understand whatAston Martin's doing.
Two time World championcoming in back marker.

(01:27:23):
Well, mid pack, they're like Tom Brady.
It would've been hilarious ifAlonzo hadn't wrecked, he would've
finished in front of Hamilton.
But to have Lance Stroll and all theseother guys in front of you that we make
fun of all the time, you know, in previousyears, you're like, dude, you're done.
Like you're not Haas,but you might as well be.
Well, this weekend is the Chinese GrandPrix, so we'll see what happens there.

(01:27:46):
We shall see.
Champ, I'm coming over.
We're, which I saw something.
They're having issues withtires, logistics, like
getting tires, BS with tires.
I don't want hear it.
Real quick, WRC News.
I got hit over the head this past weekend.
I wanted to get caught upbecause we're moving into Kenya

(01:28:09):
and some of the other rallies.
Red Bull has started geofencing theirrace coverage, so the first three
rounds are blocked in the United States.
Can't watch Monaco.
Can't watch Sweden.
Can't watch Kenya.
On Red Bull tv, so I am now forcedto consider finally moving to WRC
Plus, and then I found out WRC Plusis not available on the Roku Boo.
Did you use A VPN?

(01:28:29):
You know that's a whole rat hole.
How do you get a Roku to use a VPN?
Figure that out.
Right?
That's the problem.
We gotta put the whole house in A VPN.
Yeah, that's a mess.
Does any rate.
I just want to call back that we did alot of coverage this month on different
disciplines of racing, specificallyTransAm and our friends at the I-M-R-R-C

(01:28:51):
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We did a whole TransAm week, coveringthe first 50 years Amy's championship
year in 2015 into 16 her, sheactually won back to back and then

(01:29:14):
this new panel with some championsof TransAm, which was a lot of fun.
So check that out in our catalog of shows.
And as I mentioned, the InternationalMotor Racing Research Center is our
sponsor for our Motor Sports news.
We do have more virtualcenter conversations coming
for the rest of the season.
We are just coming off this four parter.
For International Women's Month.
By the time you listen to this episode,we'll have wrapped that out and moved

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But the IMR seat stakes is back again.
No more Corvettes, but you canenter to win a 2025 Porsche nine
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(01:29:56):
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As a reminder, you can find tons ofupcoming local shows and events at the
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Collect our car guide.net timefor the GTM Track side report.
Just a couple quick things.
There are some new developmentsfrom hooked on driving.

(01:30:18):
They have some additionalinformation about their 4th of
July weekend bash at Watkins Glen.
It's gonna be the one of thehighlights of their season.
It's gonna be more than just a track day.
They're doing fireworks, they're doingfood trucks, they're doing vendors.
Live events for kids activities and more.
So your event registration for the4th of July, HOD Northeast event
includes all of those paddockactivities, festivities and camping.

(01:30:41):
So be sure to sign up earlybefore it fills out because
it is expected to sell out.
So that's hooked ondriving.com for those details.
And coming from hooked Dun driving, theyhave a newly formed HOD Mid-Atlantic
region that they just announced.
It's gonna fill in the gap betweenthe northeast and southeast regions.
They're gonna be covering trackslike National Corvette Museum,

(01:31:02):
Carolina Motorsports Park, VIR.
NC Car, which is the North CarolinaCenter for Automotive Research that Brad
and I tried out many, many years ago.
So we have their details in the shownotes, but you can reach out to the new
Hooked on Driving Mid-Atlantic region formore details on their upcoming schedule.
And we're gonna have those eventsposted on our calendar as well.
And PCA Potomac Region for those ofyou in the DMV has released their full

(01:31:26):
autocross schedule for the season, andwe posted that on our calendar as well.
Most of the events do take place atSummit Point, so maybe you could double
down do an autocross day and a track daywhile you're there because there's a high
probability that one of the other tracksis gonna be busy and all of that can be
registered for on motorsport reg.com.
Don't forget, if you're looking for thatextra special automobilia to make your

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Without you.
None of this would be possible.
And this is my dashboard confessional.
And congratulations againon selling your card.
Combine that with your tax return.
You might be able to buy thinkinga rotisserie chicken from Costco.
Well, does it cover yourcyber truck allotment?
Hey,

(01:33:32):
you didn't make anycomments about my hair.
I'm disappointed you didn't makeany comments about my hair, bro.
Oh, you're looking neatand tidy there, my friend.
I know.
I got a, I got a fresh cut.
A fade.
Fade.
He's got all that money in his pocket now.
'cause he sold his car, youknow, he's like, I'm good.
Rich now.
Make rain.
Make rain.
Uh, no, no, no.
Alright, go ahead and do the intro.

(01:33:57):
See, all he did was heturned on his computer.
He is just teasing us now.
That's what it's
What is that?
From Halloween.
Oh, that's right.
Oh, is it?
It's a good thing wedon't live stream this.
That would be fun.
Can you imagine what bothers me aboutthis is that I, I don't get any warning.
So I'm talking and talking and youguys keep talking over me and I don't

(01:34:19):
know if like I should be mad becauseyou're just like ignoring me or if
you like you just don't hear me.
And it is the latter.
Not the former my friend.
It is, it is that I figured, I figuredhe's got the touch a touch too much.
No, he is, she's talkinglike, uh, Stan Bush.
She got the pow or the Transformers movie.
Yeah, I was thinking the ac DC song.

(01:34:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Well here we are inthe drive through line.
Me and her cars in front of us, cars inback of us all just waiting to order.
There's a idiot in a Volvowith his brights on behind me.
I lean out the window and scream,Hey, what ya trying to do blind me?

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