Drive Thru News #56: Roadblocks Ahead: Tariffs & the Automotive Industry

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Hi, oh, he's got his deep voice on today.
Hello.
All right, Brad, kick us off and
welcome to Drive-throughepisode number 56.

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This is our monthly recap where we puttogether a menu of automotive motorsport
and entertaining car adjacent news.
Now let's pull up to window numberone for some automotive news.
I don't know if this isgonna be entertaining or not.
We have such a somber topic to talk about,but it is at the top of everybody's mind.
Is it top of mind?
Somebody's entertained by this.

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What could it be?
I don't know anybody that isn'taffected by this, so, so what Now
we're gonna talk about tariffs.
Tariff play.
More specifically, thetrouble with tariffs.
The trouble they're causing us.
Isn't there a song The TroubleGets Me Down or something?
I thought it was BridgeOver Troubled Waters.
No, there's that, but there's another one.

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The wheels on the bus go round and round,round and round and round and round.
I mean, if you listen toClarkson, what is that song?
The Thrill is Gone.
Right?
He keeps saying he's so donewith cars and he is done with
cars and he's done with cars.
He's been saying thatfor how many seasons now.
I know, but there is aresurgence coming, right?
I hear the.

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Hammond and May are gettingback together to do some stuff.
Oh yeah.
It already premiered.
Oh, excellent.
Well, we'll talk about that nextmonth because this time we're gonna
talk about other buffoons and clowns.
I've been directly affected by thetariffs and duties basically on Canada.
I bought a pair of sweatpantsfrom a company in Canada.
I didn't realize they were in Canada, andthey shipped them to me and they arrived.

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But UPS would not give them tome unless I paid $70 in duty tax.
Holy crap.
So I said, you can go pound sandand you can leave and go and take
them and send them back to Canada.
'cause I, I don't fucking want 'em.
I'm not paying more than Ipaid for the pants in duties.
Uh, and then I immediately got onthe chat with the company because

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they don't have a, a telephone.
They said, oh no, no, no.
You're not supposed to pay those.
You know, I'm glad you didn't.
You know they're gonna send the pantsback to us if you still want them.
We'll send 'em back out,whatever they receive the pants.
They allegedly paid the duties.
They sent them back to me.
I proceed to get a bill from UPSfor $70 after I received the pants

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and it was you mother farmers.
I got back on the horn with the companyand I said, Hey, what's going on here?
They said, oh, send usthe bill, we'll pay it.
And then they did.
They honored it.
You know, they, they told me theywere gonna pay it and they paid it.
You were the last personthey honored it for though.
Probably.
And I will not buy anything fromthem for the next four years because
until all this crap is fixed.

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Let me ask you, was that a directpurchase with a Canadian company
or did you go through like Amazonor one of the other online?
Oh no, it was directthrough their website.
Okay.
'cause I was getting a little skid,you know, how I would order stuff
from Amazon and don't think about it.
We don't really knowwhere it's coming from.
Yeah, man.
With the amount of brown boxesthat show up on people's porches,
can you imagine the bills?

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Woo.
Yeah.
You know, this came directly.
I, I purchased it directlythrough their website.
It was not Amazon or anything.
Everything you order onAmazon comes from China.
So what are people's billslooking like with 145?
Well, I did notice some thingson Amazon where it was like, I've
ordered this before and now it's $200.
Like, what happened?

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How is that even possible?
Right.
And I, and I go, oh yeah, tariff.
I thought you were gonna tell me'cause it was coming from Canada.
What they were doing was shipping yoursweatpants inside of a Chrysler Pacifica.
Like that was the box.
And then now you were stuckhaving to pay for a $45,000 van.
No, no, no.
What they did is theyshipped the material.
So they just shipped theyarn and a needle and thread.
And I had to, I had to createmy own sweatpants, but they

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gave me just enough material tomake them to what I had ordered.
So that's unreal.
So I thought we could get away from it.
I thought we could avoid talking aboutit, but this is all the news has been
since April the third is tariffs.
Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs.
And obviously the automotive market isgonna be at the middle of that because

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are there any cars actually built inthe United States anymore or are there
parts built in the United States anymore?
Right.
And so this causes a huge, huge problemsfor those that are not up to speed.
Let's do everything andget you up to speed.
On tariffs.
That's a six letter word.
They must be driving Dodge Darts.
No, there's plenty of oldDodge Darts left to go around

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'cause they're not up to speed.
Uh uh uh uh.
So if you missed Liberation Day, ourpresident unveiled a sweeping 25% tariff
on any car or part that isn't made in theUnited States regardless of its origin.
So obviously this sense ripplesthrough our community and many
of the other communities as well.

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And so the first knee-jerkresponse to this was a bunch of
letters to the government, please.
Please don't do this to us, right, Lisa?
I don't want some more.
Do people actually read theseletters that companies send?
I mean, it's wonderful if you get a letterfrom Stellantis on Stellantis letterhead.
That's something that,uh, that an intern wrote.

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Yeah.
With chat, GPT, another intern read it andthen filed it into circular repository.
I mean, come on.
Sounds like this is just kindof payback for the automotive
bailout that happened years ago.
I hadn't thought about that.
But this is across the board.
Remember, the tariffs are oneverything, not just cars.
So we're being very hypersensitive here.
But with good reason.

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And you know, they should get veryexact with words because words matter.
And words matter only if youread them, legally speaking
words matter very strongly.
And to say anything is made in America interms of cars is wildly inaccurate because
there's no car that's made in America.
'cause made in would presume that ahundred percent of the item is made in

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that country in which that is false.
Nothing is made in theUSA in terms of the cars.
A hundred percent.
Not even the Grand Tesla who claimsthat he is, that's not even a
hundred percent made in America.
They are assembled in America.
Right.
And therefore there are partsfrom other countries, which means.
Your car price.
Even an American car is going to goup because it's made of components

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that are going to be tariffed.
But if you proclaim eminentdomain on our north and southern
neighbors, then it's America, right?
Because Chryslers are beingbuilt in Canada and Fords
are being built in Mexico.
So it's just an annexation ofall of the continent that way.
It's made in America.
You see it's made in North America.
Well, there you go.

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There could be a legal loophole there.
Does it have to be madein the United States?
Because even South America is an America.
It's not America, but it's an America.
You gotta have the right, theproper inflection on that.
America, you, you gotta getthe Bama in there, the America,

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all that to say there are.
Plant closures, there are layoffs.
There are cars sitting at rail stations,at border crossings, at shipping depots.
Everything's frozen.
There are countless car manufacturersthat have said, all right, America,
let's see how this plays out.
Audi's not bringing cars.

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Volkswagen stopped.
Jaguar, you name it, no cars are moving.
But then at the same time.
You hear the reports of people like salesare climbing 'cause everyone's scrambling.
'cause they did delay thetariffs on automotive.
Everyone's like scrambling to buya new car before it costs more.
I feel like that's a marketing tactic too.
Exactly.
Stores closing soon.

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This is the last one.
This is the last one we have.
There's a guys about to buy it, youknow he is right in the back room.
I just got a call 20 minutes ago.
They're on their way to see it.
Right.
Gimme a break.
We'll never have another 2016 Dodge Dart.
Yeah, that's right.
And that's like the furniturestore here in town that's been
closing for the last five years.
It's constantly a liquidation sale.
I'm like.
Just go outta business already.

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Nobody wants your furniture.
It's like KISS has beenon their, oh my God.
Farewell tour for the last 25 years.
25 years.
I thought it was like45 years at this point.
Yeah, yeah.
They started on their farewell tourand it's just, it's perpetually going.
And right along with this, Iheard a good one the other day.
We had a meeting and one of the guys wassaying that he was shopping for a new car.
And I'm thinking to myself,man, this has gotta be the worst

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time to be buying a new car.
And it's the typical new dad, newkid, gotta buy the big vehicle.
Gotta be safe.
You know, the whole excuses thatwe make for buying like a suburban
or an expedition or whatever, thebiggest land yacht we can find.
And I was like, okay, fine.
I'm just going along with this story.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get to the point.
Much like everybody's sayingright now, you won't believe this.

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And he goes, I used to sell cars when Iwas younger, you know, he was getting,
you know, into a sales position.
And he goes, I know all thetricks to Tanya's point.
You know, I got a guy outta theline and they're coming later and
blah, blah, blah, this bullshit.
And he goes, what I wasn't ready for was.
What the dealer was doing to thedestination fees and the markups.

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They were marking up carsthat are sitting on the lot.
Hell, hell yeah.
As tariff vehicles.
Hell yeah.
He told the guy straightup, this car is here.
It was built a year ago.
Hell yeah.
How can you hit me with tariffs?
It's like, makes no sense.
So the dealerships havealready started this.
Gaming of the system andgouging of the consumer.

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And I'm like, unless you needa car right now, don't buy one.
I don't believe that thedealerships are such standup guys.
I am throwing a red flag on the play thatI can't, I don't believe it inconceivable.
I've never met a dealer that wasnot just a, a standup citizen.
I bet you Chuck La Duck's not doing that.
Oh, really?

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Well, let me read you thisheadline for the Wall Street
Journal, Volkswagen to introduce.
Import fees on tariff hit cars?
No, actually I think they arebeing standup in that case.
'cause they're literallycalling out the line item.
That's the tariff portion of the cost oftheir car and they're going import fee.
Boom.
Here's what it is, people black and white.
This is why the car costs more this line.

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It's not the $1,500 destination charge.
If you're buying a car that was builtin Detroit and you know you're in
Detroit, it's, it's not the $1,500destination you're assembled in Detroit.
Yeah, yeah.
Imported from Detroit.
Isn't that what Chrysler wasmarketing, you know, years ago.
I really love the tagline herefrom Volkswagen of America.
We want to be very transparentabout navigating through

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this time of uncertainty.
We wanna be very transparent that we'regouging you every time you buy a car.
So we're gonna add more fees on top of thetariffs, on top of our already bogus fees.
To Brad's point that we put on thesecars, the way I interpreted the article
is that the import fee is the tariff.
So import fee on tariff hit cars.
'cause Volkswagen does havea plant in the United States.

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So they can sell you a car that wasassembled in the United States that
shouldn't be subject to that tariff.
Which car is that?
Because they stopped making therental Passat two years ago.
So what are they buildinghere in the United States?
The plant's still open in Tennessee.
Yeah, the door's open and closed.
But what's coming out of them?
I wheels couldn't tell you'cause I haven't looked.
I don't know, honestly, Ican't tell you what any plant.

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I didn't know that the Chrysler Pacificawasn't made in the United States.
It was made in Canada.
Well, I think the Silveradosare made in Canada.
I don't think the Silverados andlike the Yeah, I read that too.
The Sierras are made here, so I meanthat's gonna drive their prices up.
And like Eric was saying, whatis the, the F-150 Maiden Mexico.
Mexico.
A lot of this Mexicostuff comes from Mexico.
Mexico, yeah.
Mexico in In Mexico.
Yeah.
Hey, if it's BajaCalifornia, does it count?

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That's still Americaaccording to the interwebs.
All knowing this, the AtlasAtlas cross sport in the ID four.
Supposed to be madethere, assembled there.
Okay.
Sure.
And, and in Chattahoochee Chattahoochee.
So speaking of Volkswagen,we'll continue this Winkleman.
The CEO of Lamborghini isgonna solve all the problems.

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He has a plan.
They're working on different scenarios.
They're gonna figure out a way to continueto cater to their best market, the United
States, selling Lamborghinis, becausethat's what people are doing right now.
We're on the brink of arecession, quasi depression.
We're gonna all run out, buy Lamborghinis.
That's what's important.
Well, when we all start our OnlyFansand YouTube careers, we're gonna have,

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we're gonna be flush with cash andwe're gonna go out and we're gonna buy
all these, whatever the SUV is, theUranus, the Uras, sorry, the, the Uras.
'cause that's all those kidsbuy is that stupid thing.
They're talking about stickerprice increases of three grand to
12 grand, depending on the model.
But when you're paying a quartermillion dollars for a car, if you're
in that tax bracket, who cares?

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What do you care about?
Three grand.
You don't, and since we're stilltalking about Volkswagen and Porsche
stuff, I was talking to Tanya earlier.
Do you know what the cost of thebase model nine 11 is right now?
Brad, have you ever looked this up?
Like 125?
130 grand, isn't it?
Yeah, it's in insane.
Insane.
When we were growing up, likein the nineties with the 9,
9 6, it was like 65 grand.

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Yeah.
And we were like, oh myGod, that's so expensive.
Yeah.
I used to play on their websiteall day long and build all these
custom builds and everything.
It was like 65 70 grand for a brandnew nine 11, and now it's almost
double that for a base model.
The turbos and the GT threes,they're all 200 to two 50.
It's just absolutely insane.
So again, if you're in that tax bracket,you can afford those kinds of cars,

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the Bentleys and all that other stuff.
Then with all the financingand everything in play, does it
really matter Where it hurts?
Is the average consumer.
Right now, as we've been saying,what do you buy for $50,000?
You know, I jumped over to Honda'swebsite just to see if their prices
had gone up and you know, you canstill buy a Civic for 24 grand.

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That's the base model.
And the touring is in thethirties, so it's like, okay,
nothing's changed there yet.
I'm just looking at theirwebsite, which they don't have
to update that anytime soon.
So when you go to the dealership, theremight be a little sticker shock there.
Hyundai's next.
Oh yeah.
We're solving the world's problems here.
Right?
So Hyundai has said they'renot gonna raise their prices.

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They're just gonna takeaway everything else.
If you bought a Hyundai because ofits stellar maintenance package and
you know, free this and free that,and all those wonderful things, they
still have a really good warranty.
Although I fear that that'sgonna be subject to change.
The CEO Jose Munoz has said they're takingaway the free maintenance and all the

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other stuff that you get as a perk forowning a Hyundai or a Kia or a Genesis or
any of those cars that are in that family.
So they're not gonna raise the prices,but now your oil change is $900.
Well, 'cause they have to importthe oil, you know, and that
brings up a really good point.
What is oil and gas gonna cost?
Because that's not made inthe United States either.
That's too complicated.

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If anybody would know, it would be Tanya.
I would love a lesson on this thatsomeone who worked for previously,
a petroleum company, big oil, sheworked in big oil sounds, so Texas.
Big Earl.
She was t, she was a Texas girl.
Big daddy runs big oil.
Big earl,
big Earl's, big oil.

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She's like, Nope, I ain'tgiving you that satisfaction.
She's, I am not taking that bait.
My soapbox has been put away.
I gotta get to bed tonight.
Alright, so.
There's still EV mandates out there,which are in the middle of all this,
and where the EV batteries and allthat wonderful unicorn fart power
that we're getting coming from.

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We're not strip mining.
Well, we are, but we're notstrip mining the United States
for all the precious metals.
We're gonna go plunder othercountries for that kind of stuff.
In the midst of all this, remembereven hybrids were supposed to
be banned in like the next fiveyears because the evil ice motors.
So now they're like, whoa, wait,wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second.
Wait a second.

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Can we get away with smaller batteriesand like spread the love and maybe do
some hybridization of vehicles now?
So they've said 2035, which I thinkthis is gonna continue to walk backwards
as we've talked about in the pastwhere hybrid really was the answer.
And we're gonna talk as we go along herea little bit more about manufacturers
that have said, yeah, we're just gonnago back to what we were building before.

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Have a nice day guys.
Let us know when you're done playingthe hokey pokey and make sure
you say that this is in the uk.
I mean, this wasn't I, I don't thinkeliminating hybrids by whatever time
period was something in the us was it?
Well, it wasn't until we stoppedparticipating in whatever it was, the
Paris Accord and all that other stuff.
Weren't we subject to thesame rules as everybody else?
Yeah, I don't think so.

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I don't remember hybridsbeing on the chopping block.
Not in this country.
Well, diesel certainly were.
To add more pain andmisery to the conversation.
Do you know what the averagecar cost is right now?
It has jumped dramatically, and I mean,we've talked about in previous episodes
the under 50 K millennial gray car.

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That's not even doable right now.
The average cost of a caris $48,000, starting price
with 20% a PR on top of that.
Yeah.
Would you take out an84 month loan at 20%?
No, no.
Let's do the rough math.
$48,000 car plus, let's useVolkswagen's terms import fees,

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and then 20% a PR for seven years.
How much is that?
You know, let's say Ford Mach E gonnacost at the end of a hundred grand, right?
A lot of money, right?
Yes.
Yes.
That's what I, I keep saying, if youdon't have to buy a new car right
now, if you absolutely don't have to.
Don't do it.
The only reason you'd have to buy a newcar is your car is totaled because, just

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because it needs some routine maintenance.
Oh, the shocks, the bang, the bank fix it.
'cause it's going to be cheaper evenif you can't do the work yourself to
pay a couple grand at the mechanicto fix it versus going out and
spending $80,000 on something else.
Yeah, but you don't even need a new car.
Like Yeah, but the used car market,it's gonna become like the Covid.

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I know what I got 75,000 forthis 200,000 mile rust clunker.
That's true.
But it's still, it's still not gonnabe a brand new, I mean, it's still
not a, a new car, I guess it's whodo you want to give your money to?
Cecil b Beauford or, you know, uncle Sam,they're gonna get it one way or the other.
That's the problem.
It doesn't matter whichway you turn around.

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No.
You know who's gonna get it.
We're all gonna get it as we'rebent over the, the steering
wheel of our brand new car.
Oh God.
Things are out of control.
On every tangent of this conversation,there is no good solution.
Jalopnik wrote an articlethat was titled What?
Foreign Cars will Still Be WorthIt after the Tariff Price Hikes.

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A lot of them.
Well, that's if you're okay withtoday's design language aesthetic, the
fact that there's no buttons in anycars anymore, all that kind of stuff.
Here's the thing.
Board website, I don't wantanything on your website.
The only thing that would beattractive is the Mustang.
So you bring up a very, very validpoint because I've been thinking
about this quite a bit, and I'm sorry.

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Before you get to that ThoughtChevy's website, I'll be god damned.
I'm buying a Malibu.
I'm gonna buy that tariff European car.
Oh, here we go again.
Oh, those cars are terrible.
So I did, I gave it a lot of thought.
If I was forced to buy something andI'm not talking about for the family or
whatever, if, if it was just me going towork and I have to buy a car new and I

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have no other option, I don't have themoney to buy used, I can finance it.
Get away with it.
I actually kept landing on the Mustang.
It just made sense.
It was like, get it witha manual if you want.
Yeah, the V eight or the fourcylinder, you got some options there.
The warranty, the dealershipnetwork, blah, blah, blah.
Technically made in us.

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I've got everyone'spage open at the moment.
Chevy Garbage.
The Malibu, I'm sorry.
No, the Equinox, theBlazer, the Silverado.
None of this Buick.
No.
I mean there was never anythinginteresting there, so no.
Well, Buick's gonna be in trouble herebecause we export a lot of Buick to China.

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So how's that gonna work?
They're gonna say BYD.
Bye.
Yeah, that's very true.
So it would come down to probablyCadillac getting something like a, do
they even still make a Black Hawk ct?
Whatever they make the CT vibe.
Black wing, black Wing.
They are.
Phenomenal cars.
So it would probably come down toa Cadillac or a Mustang, and then

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I'd probably have to choose if Iwas forced to buy a American car,
probably end up with a Mustang.
I mean the Corvette, I don't know.
I've never been enamored by them.
Wait, wait, wait.
You wouldn't buy the new two doorDodge Charger that supposedly has
been on sale and is an EV now.
Oh, I forgot about Dodge.
See, I forgot about Dodge.

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Everybody forgot about Dodge because whenthey closed up their doors and said, no
more hemis, oh, the party's over kids.
Time to go home.
We all said, bye Dodge.
Bye-bye.
See ya.
Nobody's building muscle cars anymore.
Who's paying attention to Dodge?
Right?
What else do they have?
The Pacific Up.
I think I the Mustang?
Well, I'd have to test drive it.

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As an ev.
You'd want it as an ev.
Is that the only thing, the only way tomake, that's the only option you have?
Oh, well then, no, thenI'm getting a Mustang.
I mean, the only other thingwould be a Jeep Renegade.
Maybe just 'cause I like it.
'cause it's like a, the panda,if they still make that.
They stopped selling it, right?
Yep.
So there you go.
So that's out.
So I'm back to a Mustang.
I do have an option for you though.

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This is right on the heels ofan upcoming, what should I buy?
Episode that we did.
Did you know that classic carsare exempt from the import tariff?
Wait a second.
It's a whole new way.
That's right.
There's a catch though, whichwe addressed in our, what should
I buy Episode And that is.
It must be 25 years old,so you have to be happy.

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That's fine.
Importing an old car, I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that too.
Which is going to drive up thegray market car prices because
a 25-year-old car is a 2000 car.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
You got it.
And that's what we talked about on the,what should I buy episode, when you
jump back into it is what can you buyfrom like 98, 99, 2000 in that range?
What would you import?

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Now we went a little crazy becauseyou know Ah, we'll get a TVR.
We'll get this, we'll get that Ford Mano.
Yeah, Ford mano.
But there's actually some solid choicesin there, and this actually stems
from a previous drive through episodethat we did where James Humphrey.
From speed or whatever it's called nowwas talking about those 25-year-old cars.
So it's still an option.
And they are only subject to a2.5% duty like they've always been.

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So it's actually a pretty good deal.
You could import just about anything.
Well, they're exempt for now.
I mean, how do you tax somethingfrom the eighties though?
Like you wanna bring in an old Toyota Truoor something like you gonna tax it 25%.
Why?
They can do whatever they want.
It's a known entity.
It's like buying rust.
Doesn't matter.
Don't matter.
Tanya's.
Right.

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If they want to tax the air thatwe breathe, they will do it.
They'll figure out a way.
Yeah.
Maryland taxes, your rainwater.
They used to, yeah,they did away with that.
Thank goodness.
But that being said, there's lots and lotsof options in that year 2000 that we can
start to look at and investigate if you'rereally desperate for a car, or at least

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you wanna continue collecting cars, right?
If that's still your hobby and your thing.
But, but the, the car.
Is not subject to the tariffs,but the replacement parts that you
need to import when you mm-hmm.
When you buy the car, you'renot gonna be able to put an AC
Delco starter from Advanced Autoon your newly imported Toyota.

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I sure will.
You know why?
'cause I'm a LS swap it withan American made V eight mo.
Now you're speaking my language.
Now all the parts come from Advanced Auto.
Yes.
Love it.
So that I guess sort of wrapsup our tariff discussion.
Tariffs are terrible.
I hope they go away quickly.
I think there's been some backpedalingas of late the last couple weeks.

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So this is a constant state of flux.
I can only hope that this goesback to normal, not just for
the automotive industry, but foreverybody in general because.
It's gonna get nuts for computers andelectronics and appliances and shoes.
Clothing sweatpants.
Well sweatpants.
Yeah, absolutely.
I can't believe they charge you 70 bucks.
Yeah, I was dumbfounded.
I told the UPS guy, justget off my property.

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Get off my lawn.
Switching gears.
As we wrap out our showcase on tariffshere, we returned to Lower Saxony.
I know we said we weren't gonna dothis because we pretty much covered
everything that there was to cover inboring Mercedes and BMW News, but I found
something that I just couldn't pass up.
Headline reads, Mercedesto launch by wire.

(25:08):
I'm gonna say that again.
Buy wire steering and yoke wheel for 2026.
Why are we doing yoke wheels again?
'cause a, a Yoel thought it was a goodidea on another vehicle because people
want to feel like they're a pilot.
Well, and and when they introducethe self-driving, you're not
even gonna be touching it anyway,so it doesn't really matter.
It's less material.

(25:29):
It's smaller.
It's less to make and theycan charge more for it.
Yeah.
And it looks so futuristic.
Yeah, it looks like hot garbage.
That looks uncomfortable.
It looks.
Dumb.
How do you rest your wriston it and like gangster road.
Oh, they'll find a way.
They'll find a way.
You just grab the turn signal stock.
It doesn't have them.

(25:49):
Well, this is a Mercedes.
It does.
The BMWs don't.
No, that's the shifter up there.
That's the shifter.
I don't think so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Zoom in.
It has numbers on it.
It says D one something.
It is not D one.
Ugh.
This is terrible.
I hope that new cars willnot pick up this trend.
Much like I'm very tired ofthe slab sided, no flares.

(26:12):
Everything looks like it was cut with,you know, a joint compound putty knife.
I'm so done with all this stuff.
Can we just have carsthat are normal again?
No.
Speaking of not normal.
Let's talk about domestics.
Have you seen the conceptof the C nine Corvette?
Oh, no.
No.
I have not seen the concept.
What do we think?
I need some context.

(26:32):
Who is the source?
The source is car scoops.
No, no, no.
Well, where did, where does their source?
This is a concept.
What am I supposed to, so imagine this.
Picture it 2020 something,the year 2057 uhhuh.
Right, right, right.
This is the replacementfor the current C eight.
This is the next generation Corvette.
I don't really like thecurrent generation that much.

(26:56):
I've gotten used to seeing them.
They don't feel as Corvetteas other Corvettes do.
This is even less Corvette.
This reminds me of the peo uh, theAxia, the l and p car or whatever.
It's Oh, yeah, yeah.
Who would drive this every day?
Who is this designed for?

(27:16):
It looks like a fighter jet,which is in some respects Cool.
I mean, if it was all black, Iguess it could be a Batmobile.
Yeah.
So it it, it reminds me ofthe Aston Martin Valery.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A little bit.
Which is practically an LMPtwo car Goldings is a bad idea.
Yeah.
Well, I don't, I don't know.
I uh, obviously this is not what it'sgonna look like, but I can guarantee

(27:37):
some of the styling cues from thisare gonna be used in the next one.
That's usually what they do.
They'll do something crazy likethis and then they come up with
the next design as a result of it.
Maybe some foreshadowing of whatthe C nine could look like, but
okay, let's say they went full courtpress and this is what they built.
Then this now takes you into thatstratosphere of like Lamborghini and

(27:58):
Bugatti, where Corvette is no longerfor the everyday sports car enthusiast.
This is now a hyper car.
In that new class that's supposed tobe coming to endurance racing, right?
Is that what they're building this for?
Again, to your point,Brad, what's the source?
What's the audience?
What's the point?
I don't get it and I don'tknow that I dislike it.
This is not a car you're gonna drive towork and then stop at the grocery store

(28:21):
in, and you do that with a C eight.
Well, the guy today was, I guesswe should ask someone that we know
that owned a C eight in Mr. Bank.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
But he takes his viperto the grocery store.
So I mean, the reality isthis will never be made.
Whatever the next Corvetteis, won't look like this.
The one thing I gotta hand this designis at least it doesn't look like a Camaro

(28:43):
was involved in a rear end collision.
At least they figured out how to makethe back end of it look halfway decent.
These seats don't look comfortable.
None of it looks comfortable.
None of it is that steering,whatever it is, yolk.
It's a yolk.
Don't call it a steering wheel.
It's a yolk.
It is circularish ifyou curve a rectangle.
Sure.
Yes.
That's basically what it is.
It's a curved rectangleswitch to Asian domestic news.

(29:07):
Honda's got a recall out and theheadline reads, Honda in Acura are
accused of start, stop engine failuresaffecting up to 2.2 million vehicles.
And I mean, this ends ina class action lawsuit.
That's the and and, but basicallyit sounds like Honda's going through
motors, like people go throughchewing gum, which is sad because
Honda's always known for its.
Quote unquote reliability and you know,engines that run forever and never need

(29:30):
their oil changed and never need anymaintenance and all that kind of stuff.
But this is not good.
I've always said that start,stop technology as much as
people claim that it saves.
This is, again, the argumentof it was a cool experiment.
Just put a hybrid in it and callit a day instead of all this
start, stop nonsense that isn'treally doing any good for anybody.

(29:50):
Has Honda thought about justreplacing the starter motor with what?
With a new starter motor?
Is that why it's, I mean,and start stop technology?
I would think that that's probablygetting overworked and it's
probably prematurely failing.
Yeah, so that's probably what thesecars need is just a new starter.
Something like a Tilton racingquality, high output starter instead
of, you know, whatever they'vebeen using on the Civic since 1976.

(30:13):
I don't know.
Changing gears and talking aboutone of the marketing geniuses
of the Asian domestic world.
Didn't we talk about this already?
We talked about it on Discord.
Oh, is that why?
'cause I'm like, I rememberhaving this conversation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that conversation revolves around theNissan Z selling five times more than the
Toyota Supra in the first quarter of 2025.

(30:35):
It's also newer.
The SRAs on its way out.
Yes.
The Zs have been sitting on lots.
Not moving.
It's sort of stupid.
Toyota's ramping downproduction of the Supra.
So like, what is this comparison?
They still have a model year forthis year, so yeah, but production is
ramping down, you know what I mean?
I don't think it's everbeen a high volume car.

(30:56):
Anyway, they also changed the frontend of the Z. Did you notice now it has
two grills in the front instead of theone big blocky one that nobody liked?
I did not.
Yeah.
I don't even remember what it looked like.
It had this big square single grill.
It was like open mouth fish.
Like a carp?
Yeah, a magic hop, cob cob.
Pretty much.
So now they did thissplit grill in the front.

(31:17):
I think it looks better.
Not a hundred percent.
I'm not sold on it yet.
Oh, I see.
Now what it, what it used to look like.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you look at the next picture, yeah.
Then you see exactly what it looked like.
So part of this could also be, because asI said before, first of all, the Nissan
was a good deal when they introducedit and people just didn't buy them.
And then they started fire sailingthem, and they said that the

(31:40):
current bonuses and incentives onthe Z make it as cheap as a Miata.
So if you had to choose between aMiata and a Z, what are you gonna buy?
I don't even know howmuch Miata costs too much.
I mean, buying the Z. Yeah,buying the one with more power.
To put in perspective,the price is 44,000.
Well, hold on.
They're saying 44,000 is lessthan the price of a Miata.

(32:03):
That's before the incentives.
That's the starting price is 44 grand.
So if you knock off.
And you're down to 40, which there's asmuch as a $4,000 rebate on the Z. That's
what they're saying that the Miata costs.
We can verify that.
Let's fact check that quick.
I am fact checking it.
And the MX 5 20 25 MXfive starts at 29,530.
Do you get wheels?

(32:23):
Do you get a motor?
Do you get anything?
Does it have electronics?
You get a yolk as shownwhatever one they've got.
Pictured here is 33.
You know, I don't trust articlesthat come from the drive.
We've pointed this out before.
Oh, I thought you were gonna say,I don't trust, like I'm on Mazda's
website, so I think I can trust it.
Sometimes the sources of stuffthat we get, I'm like, what?
Oh, I was gonna try and build oneand it gave me an, oh, here we go.

(32:45):
It says here, according to their facts.
They're true facts that they have here.
The Mazda Miata MX five grand Touringwith an automatic is 36,935, and
the gap widens when you pick thespecial edition Miata, which is 37.
And then the RF Club, whichis that fixed roof thing that
they have, brings it up to 42.
So with incentives, this is where they'replaying the game with incentives than

(33:09):
the Z is cheaper than the top model.
Miata not the base model yet,so you can never compare.
Yeah, the base, it's cheaper than.
A version of the Miata.
It's cheaper than thetrack prepped ready Miata.
Do you know what?
They're both cheaper than thanthe nine 11 GT three Rs Whoopy.
Do.
Like, who cares?
The the bigger point is that the Zhas been a good deal since day one.

(33:31):
If you want a grand tour with 400horsepower that isn't a V eight
and is something different thatyou can take to your local cars and
coffee, 'cause you're not gonna seeanother one, the Z is a goodbye.
And if you can afford going to the trackanymore, which those prices have gotten,
maybe there's tariffs on track days.
Now.
I, I don't know.
The asphalt is imported.
Oh, is that what it is?

(33:52):
Yeah.
There we go.
So if you can afford to do that aswell, you've got this sort of every
person, every event type of car.
And to me that's thesecond car in the lineup.
After the Mustang, you have to buyAmerican, so it's not in your lineup,
but the Z is the next one in line.
If we remove the shroud of everythingelse we talked about, it would be

(34:13):
a hard toss up between the Mustangand the Z at the end of the day.
As someone who is without afun car for a little while.
I can look here and let's see.
The Z, they sold 20.
Okay, so when did it come out?
I'm trying to think of how many aregonna be available in the used car
market in about four or five years.
Came met a couple of years ago.
There'll probably be adecent amount of them.

(34:33):
Well, the ones they're sellingnow are like Dodge Darts.
They're gonna keep selling the 2020sthrough 2030 because they haven't.
Fantastic.
I'll be able to get a brand new one.
There you go.
It'll be 170,000 for 25%auto loan for 15 years.
Don't forget, there'llbe a tariffs on that.
Yeah, it's true.
I'll, I'll take it on 15 year mortgage.
Well, we've talked aboutthis before, Tanya.
This is a de doe moment for you.

(34:55):
Right.
God.
Thank God manufacturers specifically.
Hyundai is gonna go back to buttonsin the car versus touchscreen.
'cause it's safer.
No shit.
But the buttons aren't gonna be free.
You're gonna have to pay for them.
Yeah, but it's gonna bea lot cheaper than that.

(35:15):
Imported computer board,electronic screen, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah chips.
I just wanna know who thoughtit was a good idea to put
all that crap in the cars.
Somebody who is trying to capitalizeon the world we live in, that
everything is, is freaking computers.
Can we start our own campaign?
Can we do make cars great again?

(35:35):
Can we do that?
Can we start that Macca?
No, it's Mick.
There's not enough vowels in there.
Maybe we, we, we just add avowel, make all cars again.
Well, there's no d so me.
If you take a D out ofdodge, you get Doge, right?

(35:55):
You don't want to getdodged in this situation.
No.
You never take the D outta dodge.
You leave the D in.
My point is, I'm not saying, let's goback to Fins and Friends of the 1950s.
Now there's a shirt, right?
Those cars are wonderful.
There's a ton of nostalgia around the carsof the fifties and sixties, and they're
terrible to drive, but there's beautyand simplicity and, and a freaking knob.

(36:17):
Works and a button works unless you'rea total ass hat and you break the
thing off the buttons and the buttonsand the knobs and my 40-year-old
car still work 40 years later.
You know what doesn't work?
The touchscreen in that Cadillac, that'sthe reason we got rid of our Cadillac.
Mercedes will spend howmuch time developing?

(36:39):
It was two years or redevelopinga knob for your 1980s sl.
See, but that's quality engineering.
Now, that button wentfrom being $3 to $300.
Thanks to everythingthat's happening right now.
We're gonna have to pullback some of those stories.
Be like, uh, correction.
We need to redact our statementabout how cheap this was.
Ep be, be, be, be, be.
It's okay though.
Here's the thing people gotta think about.

(37:01):
With the buttons and the knobsand everybody having 3D printers.
You could break it.
You could just 3D printyourself another one.
That's what I kept thinking.
But the price of the 3D printingfilament's gonna go up too, right?
If you don't already have one.
So it's a lose lose loser situation.
Well, since we opened the door totalk about Hyundai again, Tanya, you
brought us one in EVs and concepts.

(37:22):
What is this?
Apparently, Genesis Oh, isunveiling their 2026 GV 60 magma.
Come on.
You gotta give it that magma.
It reminds me of S Magma.

(37:45):
Next up from Hyundai, the Merkin.
Oh my God.
The Hyundai fpa.
Well, as we compose ourselves, get usedto the magma name because apparently
it's the Mark's new performancesub-brand Magma EV 60 s Magma.

(38:09):
S Magma.
Here we go again.
Did it on purpose.
They had to have done it on purpose.
They're trolling us.
They are trolling us.
Okay.
Genesis Kia Hyundai, same company.
Let's just get that out on thetable for people that don't know.
So the magma.
Is the end line.

(38:30):
This is the Veloster.
And see, they call it an SUV, but I'mlike, it's, it's the red hot electric SUV.
This thing looks like a velociter.
A velociter.
Isn't that, wait, veloc.
Isn't that what that thing's called?
What is it?
Veloc?
There's no, I, oh, is it?
There you go.
Veloster.
Is it?
Yes.

(38:50):
The Velociraptor like, yes, the ve.
The Velociter s Magma.
Velociter would've been a better name.
Veloster, all that bluster.
And anyway, it looks like a veloster.
They should rename it.
The Vesuvius.
Ooh, the magma comes from the Vesuvius

(39:15):
Vesuvius's.
Terrible.
So if it's quote unquote an SUV as thearticle alleges, then it's the Ioni five.
It looks like an updated veloster.
It really does.
It's the back door and the flarefender in the back that really
screams Veloster to me, which is okay.
'cause I was sad to see the Veloster go.
The last generation was really, reallygood and I was like scratching my head

(39:39):
why they would pull themselves outof that market considering GTI and
Civic and all those cars still exist.
But you are correct in that it actuallyshares the platform of the Iion EQ five
N. Does it have the stereo that makesthe car sounds when they drive around?
I don't know, but apparently this thing'sgonna have 600 horsepower or more.
641 what?

(40:00):
Depending on the motor configurationyou have and apparently the magma brand,
you're also gonna be seeing Genesis magmaracing in Weck and imsa, and they're
gonna try to get into Labon in Daytona.
Not with this.
That's No, they're gonna have, that'sliterally gonna be an SUV on track.
No, of course not.
No, no, no.
They're gonna create their own hypercar.
I think.

(40:20):
I like it from the back.
I like it a lot.
It's very corrado from the rear withthat little wang that it has there.
I don't hate it.
I don't hate it either, honestly.
Like the front could massage a littlebit, they could tweak it, improve that.
I don't know that I'm a fan of thosedouble headlights and I don't normally
go for orange, but I kind of like this.

(40:40):
Yeah.
Okay.
All jokes aside in the name Jokes aside,it's gonna be 75,000 before tariff.
Nevermind.
I'm out Dugger.
So boom.
A cool a hundred grand rightoff the bat for a hundred grand.
They better bring methat N 74 vision thing.
Yeah, well that's gonna be 200 something.
Forget that noise.
And it's a hydrogen bombon wheels too, so, alright.

(41:02):
I didn't bring this up during LowerSaxony because I know Brad starts to
get the Ajita if we talk too much aboutBMW now, but Mini is one of the brands.
That says we're changing course.
We are not gonna abandon gas engines.
Internal combustion is quote,still very much a thing.
Shocker degree.
Where's like the captainobvious sticker for this?

(41:24):
That don't have to be the thumbnail.
What I wanted to comment on is themini is no longer the mini anymore.
The mini became the maxi a while ago.
This thing is big and this thing is ugly.
Especially that green one is startingto look like a Subaru Outback.
Like, what is that awful?
Yeah, the lines on the green one,that's the Aman, so that's different.

(41:48):
That is larger than the white one.
I think the white one is morenormally sized because it's supposed
to just be like a mini Cooper.
So it's not a countryman.
It's not the Paceman,it's not so whatever.
The other one they have is normalsize relative to the current
mini, which is twice the size.
Well, yes.
I mean, when you speak mininow you can't be like, oh, it's
red, the one from 40 years ago.

(42:09):
Of course it's bigger.
It's like the new GTI.
It's 9,000 times thesize of the original one.
And God, I saw one the other day.
I was with my wife, we're drivingdown the road VW badge on the back.
She asked me, what car is that?
Like?
You couldn't really discernit from everything else on
the road, the earlier point.
Everything's just this blob shapenow, and everybody copied each other
on headlights and taillights, so it'slike you can't play that game anymore.

(42:32):
And I feel like you could play whenwe were kids where it's like at
nighttime and you see headlights coming.
It's like, Ooh, name that car.
And you could actually tellthe car from the headlights.
Now it's like, is that an Audi?
Oh shit, look, that was a Corolla.
My bad.
See, that was an important skill to havewhen you wanted to know if the five oh
was rolling up on you, or if it was aMustang because they had similar front
end headlights in the Crown Vix and stuff.

(42:53):
Now I have no idea.
No clue.
Roof racks.
It's all about roof racks now.
Alright, meanwhile, so mini sin.
Ice is okay, we're gonna stick with ice.
But on the other hand, Subaru, in astroke of absolute genius Subaru's, STI
plans are to ditch gas altogether andthe next STI Subarus will be electric.
How are they gonna blow head gaskets then?

(43:15):
Well, how are they gonna make that noise?
Hey, I'm okay with this actually,so I don't have to hear that noise.
What I took away from this is.
The following, the old school, the OGdoubles all defected after the Mark IVs
basically, and left Volkswagen and wentto Subaru because Subaru was exciting.

(43:38):
It was the next tinkerers carswas sort of, you know, the
bargain basement enthusiastvehicle like the GTIs used to be.
And they, you know, all wheeldrive and Rally and Colin McRay and
add all the excitement in there.
Right.
But they've become old andbloated like everybody else.
And so they are following exactlyin Volkswagen's footsteps, just
like we talked about with the golf.
What does Volkswagen have thatgets anybody excited anymore?

(43:59):
I can't tell a Jetta GLI apart fromenter your favorite Japanese domestic
American car in that versus the GTIand Subaru's going the same way.
The cars over the last couple of yearshave just gotten more and more, I'm not
saying it's a bad thing, they're familycars now for the aging, you know, dad
Bo and you buy your next Subaru, right?

(44:19):
As you've matured out of thefanboy racer, just like we did
with our Volkswagen, right, Brad?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, they only offer two carsand none of 'em are WRX or STI.
It's just.
Impreza or Legacy, gross and grosser.
They already said they got ridof the wx, I thought, right?
Yeah.
So you can't even get that.
So now you just have base sportand RS trim, whatever that is.

(44:40):
So it's like, what isexciting about these?
Nothing.
The Impreza is still the morehatchback looking one, and
then the legacy is the sedan.
You really do have everydealership website of, we
have an uncool wall nominee.
It's been a while.
We got a new one.
What is this trash?
Is this a new forester?
No.
Is this a new Outback?
Yes.
What a turd.

(45:01):
This is the ugliest caron the market right now.
What are these two pieceplastic fender things?
Lego cars have more shape than this does.
Is this an ev?
Is this gasoline?
It's a truck is what it is.
Look how big it is.
It's gotta be an ev.
There's no radiator grill or anything.
There's like littleteeny holes in the front.

(45:21):
This has to be an ev.
This is the family youngster.
That's what this is.
This is terrible.
This is the family ter.
This is what Subaru is building now.
Available TurbochargedSubaru Boxer engine.
The six cylinder or the fourdoesn't say get vehicle updates.
Oh, I gotta sign up to hear about it.
Do it because it's not out yet.

(45:42):
This thing looks like it weighs 6,500pounds, 8.7 inches of ground clearance.
Ugh.
And available turbocharged intheir registered trademarked
Subaru boxer engine.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wherever you're going, the 2026Outback is ready when you are.
Yeah.
Okay.
This has not been paidfor in part by Subaru.
Yeah.
Okay.

(46:02):
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(46:26):
Well, since you have dealershipwebsites open, it's time to talk
about Brad's favorite segment of theDrive Through Lost and Found, where
we scoured the internet for the mostridiculous cars that we can buy.
Had you been keeping trackof Project 9 64 from PCA?
Nope.
No.
So this has been going on forquite a while, that they did this
restoration on this Carrera for 9 64.

(46:46):
They sold it on Bring a Trailer.
I'm sure you guys have alreadyfigured out how much it costs, so
we won't play the guessing game,but our audience doesn't know.
They sold it for a cool $133,000.
Was that a better deal than justbuying 120 something thousand dollars?
Brand new nine 11 if you're a purist.
Like I am.
Yes, I want an air.
Cool.
3.6 liter 9 64 could care lessabout the all wheel drive.

(47:10):
That syncro system was junkin those cars back then.
That being said, if you're a technophileand you want the latest and greatest
nine 11, that will run circles aroundthis 9 64, then yeah, you're saving
money by spending 127 grand on abase model nine 11 because it's, oh,
I don't know, 30 years newer, 30.
They put out that littleteaser, like, Ooh, wow.

(47:31):
They sold it on bringertrailer for 130 grand.
Okay, cool.
And then they followed it up withan article about how they sold it.
So I was like, well,that's interesting too.
So a little just kind of deeper dive intothe world of consigning cars and bring
a trailer and what that was all about.
Glad to see that project.
9 64 went onto a new home.
It is a beautiful car.
I tend to like the nine 60 fours in othercolors, but there's nothing wrong with a

(47:54):
guards red nine 11 at the end of the day.
I like the guards red nine 11, butI don't like the 9 64 in guards red.
Right.
There's something about its shape thatit does not lend itself well to red.
No, it does not look good.
It looks good in green.
I've seen some green ones.
It looks good in yellow.
Like the turbos, it looksgood in silver, white.
Mm-hmm.
Just anything but red.
It, it's just red.

(48:15):
Never floated Well in those cars.
I don't like these hrrewith this color either.
I don't like the combination,just something about it.
But I'm not dropping 130 grand on it, soit doesn't really matter what I think.
All right.
Tanya, are we gonna do it?
Are we gonna break ourNew Year's resolution?
I think we've, we've doneit once before already.
We don't have to.
We don't have to.
Okay.
It's lies anyway.
That's not gonna happen.
So, oh, oh, oh, oh.

(48:36):
Are you ta are you referring to Tesla?
If past performance is indicativeof future performance, then it
ain't happening, so we're fine.
Oh, there's no news just tofill in the curious audience.
What are we talking about?
So they allege that.
I like how you have tostart with that disclaimer.

(48:57):
Alleged you have to.
They allege that their basic entry level,lower cost model is going to be available
in June of this year based off of, Ithink the model Y. The real question
is how much more basic can you get?
Like what's below Home Depot?

(49:18):
Ingers.
Ollie's good and cheap,and that's all you have it.
That's it.
It's not happening.
June's gonna be here tomorrow.
This isn't gonna be there.
Just like, you know, everything else.
I wanna know, have they stated how much?
Actually, they've always saidit was supposed to be 30.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, so I think they're stilltrying to say it's gonna be 30 or
less and they're gonna do that.
We need to be built onexisting assembly lines.

(49:39):
Yeah, of course it's still, it stillsays 30, but you're gonna still base
it off something you already have.
So how much more cheaplyare you going to make it?
You're not gonna put seats in it.
Like are those optional?
Why don't they just say thatthey're facelift the model
Y and then be done with it.
Now I will say.
Credit where credit is due.
The cyber truck front endactually works for this.

(50:01):
The only thing cyber truck is the thinlights that they have going across.
That's what I'm saying.
It sort of works for this,you know, from the picture.
It doesn't look like has a windwood wiper.
It doesn't.
That's why this is not happening.
That's why this is fake.
This is a rendering.
It's never gonna happen.
This was dreamt up by stablediffusion or something.
This is just typical.
Bullshit publicity they gotta doto generate the media buzz and try

(50:26):
to get their trajectory back up.
And then there's probably, if you go ontheir website, which I'm not gonna do,
probably if you go there, you probablyput your a hundred dollars deposit down.
That way they can start collecting a bunchof money to go pay for something else and
then delay this, you know, six months andanother six months and another six months.
Well enough of that nonsense.
Speaking of nonsense, we need toswitch to lowered expectations.
Lowered expectations.

(50:51):
Antonia, we have just recently celebratedall the high Holy Holidays of the
spring and it is time for our finalinstallment of the Passion of the Senna.
Did you listen to our review?
That's funny.
May he rest in peace.
Yes, I listened to the podcast was good.
So were William, John and I. Wrong.

(51:12):
It was interesting in that John hadn'twatched it, so he was digesting from
your and William's perspectives,watching through your words essentially.
I was with it the wholeway till a certain point.
I know which point it is too.
And then I was like,flip the table, I'm done.
Turn it off.
I'm not listening anymore.

(51:34):
Spoiler alert, if you haven'tlistened to the podcast, go
ahead and fast forward a minute.
The point that turned me off whenwe were discussing, obviously,
his death, and that there was ahypothesis, oh, my conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory, that it couldhave been intentional, that
it could have been suicide.

(51:54):
You don't know.
I was like, no, you gotta be kidding me.
That's a bold take.
I mean that's, that's one theory.
That's one theory because I wantedto see how John was gonna react.
He did not appreciate that theory either.
Ah.
I mean, otherwise we'reall doing the same thing.

(52:17):
Ah, no, I think therewas general consensus.
I mean, you got the real sense ofit from the movie and of course
his family was involved in theproduction and and all that.
So obviously it was gonna slant and tilta certain way, and I think everyone agreed
that that was the tone of the TV series.
If you're at all interested in FormulaOne, if you're all interested in.

(52:38):
Ton and that wholehistory, it's a must see.
Just like, yeah, watching the originalNetflix docu movie that came out called
Sena, which has more clips of himand the real footage and all that in
the interviews and stuff like that.
That's definitely a must see as well.
At the end of the day, recommend it.
It's obviously a ization.
Some things that don't make sense orat least seem odd with what the history

(53:01):
would've said as people lived through it,some of the relationships he had with some
of the other key folks in the rivalries.
Which I think we touched onlast time, like Darth Prost.
Yeah.
It was very interestinghow they were suddenly BF.
That seemed completely notwhat the situation was, but
I guess, who are we to know?
Well, we did have fun reviewing it.

(53:21):
If you haven't listened to the podcastepisode that goes along with the review
of Sena Conspiracy theories aside, I thinkwe did a good job of buttoning that whole
thing up so you don't have to watch it.
TLDR it.
Listen to the podcast episode.
It's in our catalog from last May.
Now it's almost a year ago.
We celebrated the 30th anniversaryof Senna's Death at Timor.

(53:42):
Now we gotta switch gears and pick up,are you faster than an interceptor?
And Brad Japan heard you and theysaid, hold my Sapporo, North Carolina.
We're gonna see yourMustang and raise you.
Acura NSX.
Ooh.
This is their police interceptor.
I mean, it looks likethe Fujiyama Fujiwara.
Yeah.
Tofu shop delivery 80, 86.

(54:03):
But still, Italy's got Lamborghinis.
I thought they stopped making the NSX.
They've all become police cars now.
Yeah.
The ones that they didn'tsell are all cop cars now.
Yeah.
Retail's for 25 millionyen, which is $175,000 a us.
Mm. I don't wanna be chased by one,but I would love to stage like a top
gear cop car challenge with this andthe Mustang and some of the other cars.

(54:26):
I think that'd be a lot of fun.
Do some cherries andberries for charity racing.
That'd be good.
Well, since we aretalking about Florida man.
Mm-hmm.
Florida man.

(54:48):
Mm-hmm.
I was trying to understand this one,but apparently it's all the rage.
No, this was in Texas because Irecognized the beige Lexus driver
going full road rage on cyber truck.
Sounded like he was just annoyedthat the fact that there was cyber
truck in his line of vision andthen the guy went so far as possibly
brandishing a firearm while theylook like they're on the 45 highway.

(55:09):
I don't know where in Texas theyare, but they're on a highway.
Well, that doesn't matter.
The cyber truck is bulletproof.
That's true.
Maybe that's what he wanted to test out.
He's like, look at you.
I wanna see if you are riot proof.
Is that a gun or a taser?
What is that?
Well, and that's what they say.
They're like, we're notsure if it's a taser.
We're not sure if it's a gunin its holster, but I'm like,
that's a really square holster.
But I don't know really big thought.

(55:30):
At first I was like holding this wallet.
Unreal.
There is a video, there's atheme here in the Florida, man.
I'll let you know.
This is starting a themeof unhinged people.
We'll get to more of them.
Yeah.
First of all, I thought the cybertruck was supposed to be really fast.
He can't outrun the fiveliter in that Lexus.
I've been in one of those Lexus.
They're quick, but heshould be able to just.

(55:50):
Put on all his tri motors andunicorn farts and outrun 'em.
Oh, what?
He looks like.
He's just not trying.
And it looks like theguy's holding a box now.
It looks like a taser.
It's not a gun.
Geez.
He almost wrecks himself.
Yeah, he almost killed himself.
If he didn't have traction control,he'd have been in the Jersey wall.
Is it really his fault thatthis guy bought a cyber truck?
Like, I don't fault people.
If that's how you wanna wasteyour money, like go for it.

(56:12):
I don't say that about other Teslas.
I get it.
You know, it's the car you chose, butthe cyber truck, you know, that's a
conscious decision you have to make.
But I will say this, a friend ofmine, I was chatting with him about
this 'cause I know his wife owns aTesla and he said that they bought a
sticker to put on the car that says,I bought this before Elon went crazy.
Oh, there's, I've seen lotsof things talking about that.
Yeah, I've seen those before.

(56:32):
People changing the badges on thecar, because to your point, Tanya,
all the cars look sort of the same.
So from the back, if you put an Audibadge on a Tesla, it kinda looks like an A
four, A five, maybe you'll get left alone.
I guess what we don't know is ifsomething precipitated that guy's anger.
If it was, it might have been.
Something.
Yeah.
How unhinged are you to really get that?
Just 'cause you see one and then,and I do believe there are unhinged

(56:54):
people like that, but we don'tknow that something else didn't
happen two miles down the road.
Not that this was theappropriate reaction regardless.
No, but it also proves the point that theTeslas plural are always recording because
that was picked up on what the fender camor the mirror cam off of the cyber truck.
I guess, again, I don't want to gointo the process of how they extracted
the video, but the fact of the matteris those cars are always recording

(57:17):
and they only extracted the partyou wanted to see because you don't
know if two miles before the camerawould've seen something not favorable
for the Tesla, but Yeah, exactly.
People be cray.
There's gonna be a new campaign out.
That's a Tesla Lives matter.
Oh geez.
Oh my God.
Well, speaking of a world fullof cameras, did you know that
there are now highway patrols?
That are using AI cameras in anattempt to catch distracted drivers.

(57:41):
So how do they know you're distracted?
I had to venture into the cityyet again, and I'm not gonna get
on my soapbox and rant about it.
It's pretty obvious when somebodyis talking into their phone.
Well, that in a carwith Bluetooth and it's.
Well, I, I guess I'm wonderingthat what is the sensitivity
level from this picture?
It's pretty obvious.
Well, that's like really blatant.

(58:01):
Yeah, but I'm wondering, so I guessthey're just randomly taking photos all
the time and then they have, it's likethe capture thing and they've got the
AI that's sitting there looking for thebicycle in eight of the picture frames.
Yes.
And by the way, at the same time thatthey took a snapshot of you driving
down the road, they've also takena snapshot of your license plate.
Oh, of course.
And put two and two together and they'regonna send you not just a $70 thing

(58:25):
from UPS in the mail to pay for it.
They're gonna send you a fine,they're gonna send you a citation.
That's what this is all boiling down to.
Well, hold on.
'cause this is where it gets interesting.
So if this is the picture that theyshot, now obviously they probably
blurred this guy's face or lady's face.
I can't tell for their privacy here.
Speed cameras function in that theysent you a ticket, but there's no

(58:48):
repercussion to the points on yourlicense because they can't actually
know who was behind the wheel.
Right.
If they've now coupled the technologyto take a picture, you're face in there.
It's pretty solid evidenceof who was driving the car.
You're done.
So is are you now not only gonna havethe ticket, but also, Hey, guess what?
That's two points off your license.
'cause I can clearly see that it's you.

(59:09):
Whoop whoop, you're done.
This is the police state.
Skynet big brother is watching 1984world that we will be living in.
Oh my God.
We're gonna have peopleriding around in like Friday.
Masks screen, hundred percent masks.
They'll be like, I don't want myface captured on your AI photo.
Just like they put the smokeplastic covers over their license
plate to try to avoid the toys.
The cameras, exactly.

(59:29):
There's gonna be a bunch of plasticRichard Nixon heads driving around.
I'm gonna get the one from Money Heist.
I'm gonna do the Dali Masks.
It'll be perfect.
Some guy Fox Maxes.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
This next one.
This is right up youralley, isn't it, Tanya?
I mean, if you're, if you're so stupidto do a crime and post it on social
media, like I don't feel sorry for you.

(59:49):
That's the modern age Darwinismhappening right there.
Like my God, man, chargedafter bragging in a selfie.
Selfie of tire theft.
We all know that social media is a pitand we're never sure if anybody's actually
watching, but how brazen do you haveto be to be like, yo, look at me, dude.
And all the tires and wheels that Istole from the dealership, 22-year-old

(01:00:12):
Connecticut man said on Instagram, brazen.
How stupid are you mentallychallenged, no offense like.
Are you just incapable of of reasoning?
What makes me sad is he got morelikes on those posts than we
will ever get cumulatively onall of our social media posts.
And that's the real pit of despair.
That is social media.

(01:00:33):
That's the pit ofdespair, that's humanity.
Yeah.
So remember to like subscribe to atMotoring Podcast Network on social media.
Thank you.
All right.
I couldn't decide how to round it out,but I think I'm gonna save, not gonna
put Florida man as the last one, butthis is, there's a video here as well.
And for whatever reason abouthalfway through just repeats,

(01:00:55):
it shows the same thing.
It's not a whole thing to watch,but this Florida man casually offers
a vodka spritzer to the policeofficer during a police chase.
This Floridian was justdriving in circles around some.
Parking lot.
And then the cops showed up and they triedto pull him over on foot or whatever.
And as he is driving by him, he'sholding the vodka spritzer out the

(01:01:15):
window and basically it's like,you guys want one or something.
Nonetheless, he then speedsaway, tries to evade the cops.
They do some spike strips.
What does this need forspeed to the spike strips?
Deploy the helicopter.
But you said he was in a parkinglot, so he left the parking lot.
Oh, go, go.
Yeah.
I was like, hang on.
They deployed spikestrips in the parking lot.

(01:01:36):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He was in the parking.
He left the parking lot.
I think they went like acouple miles down the road.
Not only did.
The spike strip.
Then you see like later when theyfinally have him stopped, I think
another SUV rammed into him.
So these Canadian pacificasput good tires on there.
They're Korean from thefactory, by the way.
I know that, but So youshould watch the video.

(01:01:57):
They got him.
They said, get outta the car,put your hands up, get down
on the ground, or whatever.
He doesn't comply because he was offeringthem a white claw, so they had to respond.
Oh boy.
Dude goes down like a feld tree.
Did they tase him?
He's barefoot too.
It's funny.
He's becomes outta that van barefootif they tase his ass and he just lump.

(01:02:19):
And then when they finally like cut thevideo back to when they woken him up,
he goes, you guys had fun though, right?
How many vodka spritzers did he have?
And his head looks like hehit more than just a pavement.
Well, I think he's gotface tattoos and stuff too.
He's all bloodied up and everything.
I swear this is, it'slike a jackass video.

(01:02:41):
He also wasn't a head on collision.
So if Daniel was a Florida man, this
my cousin, and it would be a square body.
Oh my god.
A square body might have survived and itwould be a bottle of jack, not a spritzer.
All right, so this last one is so farI. Taking the top prize of insanity,

(01:03:01):
and this is the theme of people thatare just nuts, like the Lexus guy.
So you really gotta like,watch the, this woman.
So apparently the, the driver of thisNissan like honked at her because she cut
out in front of her and the Nissan ladyhad to slam on her brakes not to hit her.
So she honked the horn.
This woman gets out of her car, getson the hood of this woman's car,

(01:03:23):
starts yelling, she's gonna kill her.
Rips the windshield wipers off,starts beating on the glass.
I was filled with myown rage watching this.
'cause I was like, if I was in that carand this woman was on my car beating
it, I don't know what I would've done.
I would, I would've hit the gasand I would put it in reverse.
I would hit reverse andknocked her ass off the car.

(01:03:44):
Person in the car isn't even reacting.
Are we sure this wasn't like a stunt?
Well, they arrested that lady.
No.
So they interviewed the woman in the car.
I don't know.
To her credit, she remained perfectlycalm and let that woman rage out.
I guess she, I don't know if she called9 1 1 or other people apparently stopped,
took the keys outta the other woman's carwhile she was busy banging on this woman.
Some dude like went and took the keysoutta her car and then she stopped, tried

(01:04:04):
to get in her car, couldn't start it.
And then she started like goingat the dude who took her keys.
She also seemed like she mighthave been strung out on something.
So I'm wondering if she had anoverreaction to this situation.
How many people were filming this?
Because there's like fourcamera angles goes back to our
social media humanity crisis.

(01:04:25):
Instead of helping, instead of like fourpeople going and grabbing this woman,
which actually they probably shouldn'tbecause then they end up getting sued.
'cause that's thehumanity we also live in.
Yeah.
They just sit there and film instead.
That is amazing stuff.
Springtime is the best timefor the crazies to come out.
They're outta hibernation now.
They're getting those D vitaminsfrom the sun and all that.

(01:04:45):
They're just like, theyare ready to rock and roll.
Woo Damn Florida.
Except this was in Brad's backyard.
Yeah, I just, I just realizedthat this is in Virginia.
This is on the way to VIR.
Well folks, we've reachedthat point of the episode.
The most important part.
So this really should be a showcase.
We're gonna go behind the pitwall, talk about motor sports
news, and before we talk about.

(01:05:07):
The really, really important stuff.
I wanna highlight a coupleof things for you guys.
WRC, I know I said I wasn'tgonna talk about WRC and I'm
not wasting my time on WRC.
This was this season.
You guys have convinced me todevote my life to Formula One.
Oh my God, for the year 2025.
Violin.
Oh, it's a big violin.
We're gonna get to it here in a second.

(01:05:27):
WRC, I gotta hand it to 'em.
They're gonna be the first one inthe FIA to bring back swearing.
So watch out Formula One.
Watch out Max.
For staffing.
You can curse all you want becauseRally is leading the charge.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Just wait.
Just wait.
They people own WRC.
It's all the FIA.

(01:05:48):
All right.
All right.
Meanwhile, in WEC, IMSA and SRO News,we talked earlier about Hyundai coming
to LAMA and going into endurance racing.
Well, they're not the only ones thathave announced that they're going in
back into the greatest race in the world.
Ford had announced AstonMartin is made a comeback.
You saw them racing theirnew car at Sebring earlier.

(01:06:09):
This.
Season, but also McLaren is throwingtheir name and they haven't run a car
since the McLaren F1 back in the nineties.
So they're coming back to WEC in 2027.
So if everybody sticks around, let'sjust say Cadillac and EO and Porsche
and Ferrari, everybody's there intwo years, it is going to be one
of the most spectacular LAMA we'veever seen because that front end

(01:06:33):
GTP class is going to be jam packed.
They're not even gonnalet LMP two cars run.
That's how many manufacturersthere's gonna be and it's
gonna be freaking awesome.
It's gonna be like the old dayswhen you just saw prototype
after prototype after prototype.
And I am super stoked to see more andmore brands pony and up to run at lama.
So speaking of lama, I justwanna drop this in there as well.

(01:06:54):
The A-C-O-U-S-A who we proudly partnerwith as part of our evening with the
Legend series is sponsoring not oneLAMA viewing party this year, but.
Two ding, ding, ding.
That's two.
One will be held at the A RCF.
That's the Automobile Racing Club ofFlorida at Sebring International Raceway.
And that'll be start to dark at Sebring.

(01:07:14):
And the second one, some of usfrom the Motoring Podcast Network
will be attending and helping to bepart of Simione Foundation Museums.
24 hour viewing and camp out asthey like to call it event at
their museum in Philadelphia.
So there's a full schedule of not onlyevents that are happening at the Sione
Museum, but also the round the clockdemos that they'll be running of famous

(01:07:38):
cars like the Paisley nine 17 Ferraris,Aston Martin, DBR one Jaguars, and
things like that, that they'll be runningall throughout the day and the night
there in the parking lot of the museum.
So if you wanna come and meet Legendsof Lama, if you wanna meet some of the
folks from the NPN, we will be at the IonFoundation over LAMA weekend and you can
buy tickets for as cheap as $24 because ofthe 24 hours of Lama, I've delayed enough.

(01:08:03):
I've procrastinated.
We have to talk about formula.
Uh.
Again, I've devoted 2025 to watchingevery race to the Formula one.
See you guys.
I didn't know you called me out.

(01:08:24):
You said, what do I know?
I'm not a fan.
I don't watch blah, blah, blah, yada yada.
Hamilton's gonna be the best.
You're gonna see Ferrari,blah, blah, blah.
The Mercedes is inferior.
I don't think we went that far.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I think we've just said wecouldn't count him out yet.
Yeah.
We said he's not gonna be a back marker.
Like Eric said he was going to be.

(01:08:46):
Oh, really?
Oh really?
And I told you, and I'll put moneyon this, that by the third race I.
He would cement exactly how he wasgonna do for the rest of the season.
And we're at what race?
Five now?
Yes.
We've had five races I would say.
I don't know yet.
He, he's not gonna win a championshipthis year, that's for sure.
Not gonna win one next year either.
He's so far been in thetop 10 for the five races.

(01:09:08):
Ninth is in the top 10.
Yeah, you're right.
No, he's currently sixth in points.
He's not ninth.
His best finish was fifth.
Technically his best finishwas first in the sprint race.
It doesn't count.
But nonetheless, ball rainin the middle of that race.
Both he and Le Claire, there waslike a light switch moment where they
were like flying around the track.
I don't know what turbo mushroomthey got when they went into

(01:09:30):
pit, when they came back out.
I mean there was like night and day andthey were like flying around the track.
They were gaining time and then it'slike, I think they went back for like
another pit stop and suddenly likethe mushroom wore off or something.
So that was disappointing.
It's like, remember Mario Kart 64where you got the gold mushroom?
And you kept hitting thebutton as fast as you could.
Yes.
Because you wanted to go, youknow, the super boost and then when

(01:09:51):
it ran out you were like, oh no,that was the middle of that race.
It was like, holy shit.
Like the Ferrari suddenlylike work software upgrade.
Yeah.
They didn't pay their subscription fees.
Yeah, it was what it was.
They only did a temporary subscription.
It was.
First 30 minutes free, wasn't it?
That there wasn't there a yellow andthey had put mediums on and everybody
else put sauce or something like that.

(01:10:12):
Their pit strategy is garbage.
Yes.
It was something with the tires, like theywere doing really well on the tires they
had and then they switched off of themand then suddenly it was like garbage.
And it was like, whydid you switch to these?
'cause you already knew fromanother team that these were
garbage and yet you chose them.
Winning strategy.
Great job.
Well, Ferrari's gonna Ferrari.
Yeah.
And they do.
It's so dumb.
Unfortunately, if you'd watch thelast like three, four seasons, they

(01:10:34):
literally make the most bonehead.
Decisions, whether it's timing ofpitting their people, the order
of pitting them, team orders ingeneral, the value of their pit stops,
the value of their tire choices.
They usually make the mostastine choices, and then they
suffer and they lose position.
So yes, Ferrari's gonna, Ferrarihas become a thing because of the

(01:10:55):
way they've managed themselvesover the last several seasons.
As a Tizi, I'm gonna die of a very oldage, like I'm gonna live to be 200 waiting
for Ferrari to win a championship again.
Like this is unreal.
The Keystone cop garbage that I'vebeen watching, like this is why
I stopped watching Formula One.
And every race is painful becauseit's like, what are you clowns doing?

(01:11:16):
And then last year, if you go back evento the Formula One special and all that
kind of stuff I talked about, you wannatell me that Mercedes can't build a car?
You guys are, oh, what's inferior?
And Adrian Newey.
Over a Red Bull.
It was.
It was Period.
And it's all bullshit.
It's all bullshit.
No.
Adrian Newey goes to AstonMartin and nothing changes.
He's not doing anything yet, that's why.

(01:11:36):
Well, yeah, because apparently they'remaking cars with scribes and ads
and stuff from the Egyptian period.
I don't know what the deal iswith this magician, Adrian Newey.
Okay.
That apparently anytime he's beenon the team that they've won the
Constructors for like the last30 years or something like that.
I don't have any idea.
I really couldn't give a shit.
But if you watch the other races,the straight line speed and the out

(01:11:58):
of cornering speed of the Red Bullwas incomparable with anybody else.
They were cheating.
It passed the Mercedes and shitlike it was parked in the paddock.
But the Mercedes this year, becausethey do upgrades every year at
the end of the season, the car isdifferent and they change something.
Does Ferrari do downgrades every year?
Yes.
Yes they do.
Downgrades?
Yes, a hundred percent.

(01:12:18):
Just like Mercedes did a big downgradelast year 'cause their car was
garbage compared to the year before.
Apparently they can't get theirelectronics right as we saw with Russell.
Which race was it?
Bahrain?
I don't remember.
But yeah, his timing system basicallyshut the whole everything down on the
track and he still survived without it.
It was amazing.
Well, he barely made it because on likethe last lap, it was like his whole car.

(01:12:42):
Remember I joked, it was like, I waslike, dude is like gonna have total
electrical failure and he is gonnanot make it to the end of the race.
It was like the last lap.
He's like, uh, guys, uh, my steeringwheel's not working anymore.
Like something wasn't working and itwas like the car was shutting down.
Yeah.
I don't think he had any more lap in it.
Outside of all that.
I mean, Mercedes is doing great.
Red Bull's doing RedBull, Ferraris, whatever.

(01:13:03):
China was, meh.
Suzuka was a complete snooze fest.
So boring for such a legacy track withso much character and so much history.
And you watch the old races of,you know, Sena at Suzuka, the track
hasn't changed other than the repaid.
The cars have changed.
The cars are twice aslong as Senna's days.
Yeah, I mean it's an exaggeration,but they're so much bigger.

(01:13:24):
The rules are different.
The parody is different.
So boring.
Basically watching it to finally oneday be there to see something happen.
Because honestly, after the firstcouple opening laps where you're
checking to see if they don't wreckand turn one or wreck anywhere in the
first lap, it basically becomes an HPDwhere they're just going around awful.
And then Bahrain was themost exciting race so far.

(01:13:47):
Hands down.
That was really good.
And then Saudi is like a go-kart track.
There is no space.
There's zero space for error,as we saw with Sonota in the
second turn of the first lap.
What the heck are you guys doing?
And then.
You know, max cutting off, turntwo because there was no room and
that whole debate and debacle.
But that track was boring.
Like once they set their pace,it wasn't any better than Monaco

(01:14:09):
where there's, there's no room topass because the cars are too big.
So the whole excitement of FormulaOne in the old days was then
cutting it up and dicing it up.
And why can't we go back tothe smaller wheel based card?
'cause then they'd be slowerand then they can't be slower.
Do they really have todo 200 miles an hour?
I mean, that's what theendurance cars do, right?
Or more than 200 to do like two 30,but they've got the space to do it.

(01:14:31):
I think they should go back to manual gearboxes also to make it more interesting.
Yeah.
The whole tire thing is dumb and thepit stop strategies are weird and
well, and there's no more refueling.
So you took that variable out of it.
Like you didn't have the guy runningoutta fuel in the last lap, you
know, had the minimum fuel load.
So it was lightweight andgoing faster and miscalculated.
I noticed this year they got rid ofthe whole energy thing where they have

(01:14:52):
the virtual refueling that's gone.
Right.
I haven't seen that again.
They don't really highlight it too much.
That was an F1.
That was in M ssa.
That was uh Lama.
Oh, maybe you're right.
There is a thing where theygotta do something but they
don't usually publicize.
Well anyway, Hamiltonis not doing so great.
He's not impressing.
There's lots of excuses, if you will.
That's the right word for it.

(01:15:13):
I know if you wanna say excuses,but explanations that he gives.
I like the latest one he was talkingabout was how different the brakes on
the Ferrari are from what he is used to.
And he said, we made a point ofsaying that he is never engine braked.
Like ever.
And that's something thatyou do in the Ferraris.
And so he is not used to it.
Which if that's true, I mean,you could lose a lot of time if

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your break points aren't correct.
But if they're using engine braking,then that means they can go deeper
into the corners and use theengine to help slow the car down.
It's not like the braking zonesbecame longer as a result of it.
'cause Le Claire isn'tcomplaining about those problems.
Yeah.
But Le Claire's been drivingthe car for like five seasons or
something, so he's gotten used to it.
Million time world champion.
Louis Hamilton doesn't knowhow to drive a Formula one car.

(01:15:54):
Is that what you're telling me?
I've never driven a Formula One car.
I don't know how easy it isto go from one to the other.
It's like spec me.
They're all the same, right?
I mean, come on.
I mean, in theory the, it's all the same,but how do you eek out your 12 tenths.
Yeah, you eek it out when you're 18years old and not 40 or 65 like Alonzo.
And that might be true, althoughAlonzo had like, I forget how many,

(01:16:17):
like a hundred points last season.
Like he actually podiums once,no, in the first like 10 races.
I think he was on the podium every time.
And then the car like totallywould became like an ass.
I don't know what they did.
They upgraded it.
They downgraded it.
Eric, you're just an ageist.
No, I, okay.
Look at the rest of the field.
The median age of the drivers.
I mean, come on.
They're all in their early twenties.

(01:16:39):
It's funny how he like rootingagainst, 'cause in fact, like I'd
love to see somebody who's 40 yearsold go out and kick the ass of all
the 18-year-old new rookie drivers.
Yeah, I, I think he's just beingcontrarian because people like
Lewis probably like, oh fuck, LewisHamilton, he never liked Lewis.
So that's part of it too.
This is just like when Lada spent onetoo many seasons behind the wheel and he

(01:17:00):
should have retired earlier than he did.
I mean, that's probably true,but they've all done it.
Schumacher.
Should have stopped those twoseasons with Mercedes were crap.
He should have never done that.
Like a hundred percent.
I don't disagree with that.
And he was in his forties as well.
And no, I'm not saying that, youknow, somebody in their forties
or 65 like Alonzo couldn't wina race or win a championship.
But the point is.

(01:17:21):
He's not showing any enthusiasm,like even the background shots of
Hamilton, like he's disconnected.
They keep saying he doesn't getalong with his race engineer.
There's all theseexcuses, blah, blah, blah.
Then why did you leave Mercedes?
Because obviously the Mercedessuddenly got better overnight or did
it get better because you weren'tthere sucking in the driver's seat?
So which is it?

(01:17:41):
I am throwing shade, but I'm not tryingto be any sort of way to be like, look,
if you can't do it, then hang it up.
There's a lot of young drivers in Ftwo that wanna move up and other people
that want an opportunity, and both himand Alonzo are sucking up a seat as
the second chair collecting a paycheck.
Go do something else.
Go race at Lamont.
Go do touring car.
I don't care what you do.

(01:18:01):
But in Formula One, I think he's done.
I don't think even if Hamiltonruns another couple of years.
And say he goes to 43 or 44 likeAlonzo is, that's his real age folks.
That's another four years.
I don't think he's got achampionship in the next four years.
I just don't see it.
I don't see it with Ferrari.
So who does he go to?
Is he gonna go Red Bull?
Is he gonna pull a Sena andgo to like he did with going

(01:18:22):
to Williams in his last year?
And then Well that, weknow how that ended.
But the point is.
All that shuffling around.
I think the younger guys, theyjust have the advantage and I've
been impressed 'cause we make fun.
Haas with Toyota has been doingreally great this season and
Williams has been shockingly good.
Bottom of the barrel teams,unfortunately Salberg just there.

(01:18:43):
Williams was middle pack last year also.
So where they are right now is reallyno different than they're not suddenly
a magic that they've never been before.
Alban was doing pretty decently last yearand then they've got the benefit of Carlos
in the other car, which he was a higher.
Position person when he was in Ferrari.
So there's obviously a differencebetween two cars 'cause he's not

(01:19:06):
in the top five at any point.
Again, they're putting the cars togetherwith chisels and spoons or something.
I don't know.
But they're all the same.
It's, it's mi aup.
Right?
I that's what I'm saying.
He should be able to takepoll and be first again.
Aston Martin should have come outthe gate with Adrian Newey on the
payroll and won the championship.
Fernando Alonzo Champion 2025.
He's not, and you even read the articlethat said that Newey has gone in there

(01:19:29):
and said you all are sitting herewith the most antiquated bullshit.
Yes.
20-year-old stuff.
What is he gonna work with?
It's gonna take him, God knows howmany races and months before he gets
things, probably how he wants it.
And then he is gonna go somewhere else.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
Not as long as Daddy stroll's.
Pain.
Daddy wore once a dollar.
The Sonota Liam Lawson thing is hilarious.
It's not surprising at all toanyone who's, who knows how

(01:19:52):
the Red Bull people operate.
This was a zero shock and shouldhave been seen coming a mile away.
It's amazing how they couldjust switch, but then.
It's not amazing becauseit's all the same team.
They have four cars.
One's a junior team and one's asenior team, and they can move
drivers around all day long.
It's not like they fired him.
They would've fired his ass anyway.
'cause they did that withthe junior team last year.
They got rid of a driver completely.

(01:20:14):
Yeah.
If they didn't like suno enoughto move him up, they probably
would've gotten somebody fromanywhere else and brought him in.
They don't give a shit.
Do you think he's gonna makeit to the end of the year?
I don't know.
Because if they're gonna, I don't know.
When he didn't crash out, he was okay.
He was better than Liam at least.
So they probably gonna give hima little bit more of a chance.
But if he starts wrecking every race orfinishing in the bottom, I don't know

(01:20:36):
if there's like a driver swap limitin a season, they'll bring BOTAs in.
That's what they'll do.
Oh no.
It is a Mercedes as a backup driver.
Nevermind.
They'll bring back Checko a check.
Checko or Daniel Ricardo.
They're like, yeah,we'll settle for Ricardo.
It's fine.
We'll just bring him back.
It'll be okay.
It's gotta be better than this.
So there's other controversy goingon, allegedly, supposedly, maybe.

(01:20:57):
This is again, hokey pokey, and Iread this on the Audi Club news that
V tens could be returning, but Audi'snot happy about that because that
goes against their whole EV thing.
So they're taking a stand and theymight pull out, but they might stay in.
But I don't know what'sgoing on, but I'm excited.
V tens returning to Formula One.
Hallelujah.
That's awesome.
The latest says they're notgonna do the V tens, but.

(01:21:19):
Who knows again, the hokey pokey.
But in some Formula one Florida man,you mentioned Carlos, you had me
cracking up about this the other day.
Phyllis in feel bad for the guy 'causehe got a 10,000 euro fine that he had
to pay for being five seconds late tothe Japanese anthem as it was playing at
the very beginning of the festivities.
So with tariffs, that's like$50,000 if you do the math.

(01:21:43):
I mean, he's set to make$10 million this year.
Oh, it's nothing.
It's the, yeah, it's the equip.
It's 10 basis points.
It's it's point.
It's not that he can'tafford it, it's nothing.
Yeah, it's the point.
It's like really?
It's like I was late 'cause Iwas having a bathroom emergency.
He's making a big stink about it.
He literally flushedmoney down the toilet.
Yeah, yeah.
And they have very strict protocolsand rules in F1 about being where

(01:22:06):
you need to be and all that stuff.
And he actually received a 50%penalty 'cause they took pity on him.
And the reason he was late was becausehe literally had to go to the bathroom.
Number two.
He even has a medical doctor sayingthat he was having stomach issues
and that like legitimately, yeah.
Like he had to go to the bathroom andthey, they were like, no, we're still

(01:22:28):
gonna give you a 10,000 Euro penalty.
So basically stand there and crap, yourpants is the better answer than being
a human and having like a gastro issue.
He should get sponsored by Pepto.
That's what he should do.

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They both turned 400 years old, as youcan tell by, you know, Eric's homogenous.
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Happy birthday to you.
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Yeah.
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