Drive Thru News #57: Is it torqued or cross-threaded? Tight-is-TIGHT.

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Uh, you ready, Tanya?
Sure.
I'm doing one last, okay.
I've got, I've got my notes.
I'm, I'm good to, all right.
You ready?
Yes.
No.
Yes.
All right.
Bring us in.
Welcome to Drive throughepisode number 57.

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This is our monthly recap where weput together a menu of automotive
motorsport and entertainingquote unquote, car adjacent news.
Now, let's pull up the window,number one for some automotive news.
How's everybody doing?
We're doing well.
We're gonna talk about how we're doing.
Yeah.
That's our showcase of how y'all doing.
Is it really?

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It is.
I just, it just tied right into that.
Look at that.
I right on top of that, rose.
It's like those where I posted on Discord,those mints, they're called judgments.
The, the Golden Girls judgments.
Oh my God.
You need to find some of thoseand bring them on Sunday.
Could have bought them.
They were right there.
But I was given the Bob Rosshappy little Trees, mints.

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I mean, they're all like Altoids orwhatever at the end of the day, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But the judgments you could giveto somebody and said, you've
just been judged, Tanya's doingcomparative shopping on HPD events.
'cause the prices are outrageous.
Yeah.
I, I have not looked at anyof the pricing or anything.
How bad is it?
You know what?
Just tell me upfront The costdon't make me go through,

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pretend like I'm registering.
I wanna register based on the cost.
I don't wanna go through the stepsto register to then find the cost.
Why is this complicatedprogramming that's really dumb
because they want you to commit.
Uh oh, she's having heart palpitations.
It must be bad.
It really boils down to whatwe've been saying for a while.
There's a lot of track days that areTuesday, Wednesday, you know, you gotta

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take half the week off 'cause you gota trailer out there, you got a trailer
back, and then it's like $9 million togo to some track and you're like, it's
not even a top tier IMSA track likeRoad Atlanta or Watkins Glen or VIR.
You gotta pay.
More money you have to burn vacationdays, which is more, more money.
Yep.
And then you're driving on like Jefferson.

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Correct.
For seven, $800.
That is stupid.
And then nobody wants to instruct anymore.
So they're hurting for instructors.
Yep.
Feel like the HPDE is kind of goingthrough a swan song right now.
We have hit a breaking point where wewere trying to do the math and there
are certain sanctioning bodies in theamateur club racing space where it is

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cheaper to go racing than it is to godo high performance driver's education.
As an example, like at VRG eventdoing vintage racing, if you have a
vintage car, one that qualifies, itis cheaper to go do that than it is to
go run Summit Point on a de weekend.
It doesn't make any sense.
And at the end you're going door to door,you don't have to worry about point buys,

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everybody's licensed and you get a trophy.
And if you don't care about beingcompetitive, then you don't need
to burn through brand new Hoosiersevery session and shit like that.
You just go out and have fun.
Yeah, exactly.
Like I said, this month's showcaseis gonna be a little bit more
personal, a little, littlemore anecdotal, if you will.
Right.
We got some stories to share.
Mm-hmm.
And I gotta start off with thisone, Tanya, correct me if I'm wrong.

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You and I went out to dinner togetherthe other night, walked into this place.
I turned to her and I said, oh my God.
Look, it's Daniel.
It's Mountain man Dan spitting image.
It was his cousin, that's for sure.
We're like, man, Daniel's here.
Holy cow.
So then we're sitting down to eatand Tanya like taps me and she's
like pointing out the window.
I did a double take, dude.

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This guy was your Doppel gang.
I thought you walked in.
And I was like, oh.
Oh wait.
No, really?
Yeah.
Same color hair, same height, samehaircut, same like everything.
We're like Brad is here wherewe got the Daniel Doppelganger.
This is incredible.
So what I didn't tell you all wasI was in Maryland hanging out with

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Daniel, trying to get my Simpsonback and it didn't work out.
Good luck on that.
Yeah.
Yeah, he is probably sold it by now.
Desiree's probably wearingit for some reason.
It is a harness after all.
Hey, are we talking about Daniel or Gus?
Oh, no.
Oh, those are some memories.
BaZing.
That's some memories, yeah.

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Talking about track days.
There's a lot of hand ringing goingon right now in terms of, you know,
who's going back to the track.
And there's a lot of commotion onDiscord today about, you know, back in
the old days and we used to go to thetrack and there's, it's like, yeah,
but a lot of people sold their cars.
During COVID told them before COVID,before COVID, slightly after COVID.
People have been getting out of HBDEfor a while and there's been sort

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of a consumer and customer shift.
But the problem is, you know, youhear about these events, we're full,
we're sold out, blah, blah blah.
And you're like, how?
How?
You're charging like a thousand dollarsa day to go to these racetracks.
And it's like, what?
They're full and sold out the way.
Tesla's autopilot is autopilot.
That's how they're full and sold out.

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And you know, I had a conversationwith several other instructors and, and
even my wife, I haven't decided yet.
I did the CI gig a couple years ago.
I've done some coaching on and off you.
We went to VIR the last time,you know, all that kind of stuff.
And it's just like.
My problem is I'm not stuck in the past.
My car's not slow by any stretchof the imagination, right?
But cars that people are bringingto the track, compared to the cars

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that we were bringing to the track10 years ago, might as well be pirate
ships and the Starship Enterprise.
And there's this level of like, do Ireally wanna get into a 200 mile an hour
hypercar and try to rein somebody inthat just wants to go full Ricky, Bobby?
I don't know.
Maybe it's, I'm getting old.
That's what it is.

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Uh, no.
It's called intelligence wisdom.
We call it wisdom, right?
We call it wisdom.
Yes.
Through experience, we gain wisdom.
And I'm the same way.
You were coaching longer than I was.
And yeah, I do not want to sitright seat with anybody ever again.
And I didn't even have nearly asbad experiences as you've had.
It's just coaching wasn't for me.
And that was the only way I could affordto go, especially now with little kids.

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And I don't have a car, so I'dhave to borrow somebody's car
or rent a car or something.
Coaching was the only way I was gonna go.
I just completely lost interest in,in coaching, you know, even before
COVID, I was just like, man, I gottasit right seat with somebody again.
God, such a pain in the ass.
Which is the last event that I did.
I actually paid for the AudiClub event at EIR in November.

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I was like, I I, I justpaid for that event.
Pay to play that way you're left alone.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I, I, I only get eight sessionsout on track, but they're my
sessions until I break the car.
So I get two sessions.
Yeah.
You're not doing 16 sessions right.
Where it's like you gotta goin eight sessions of somebody
else's runs as well, you know?
No.
And then there's nothing better.
Nothing sweeter than packing up at like10:00 AM on a Sunday wave and bye to all

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your friends who have to stay there till5:00 PM and then drive six hours away.
Ah.
Don't remind me.
See ya.
I'll be home by like afternoon snack.
I'll be home before you guys leave.
Yeah, right.
Coaching sucks.
I'm just gonna put it out there.
There's some very altruistic things aboutit where you're like, I'm giving back and

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we're teaching at future generation ofdrivers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But it's sort of weird too, like the looksyou get from people when you're like.
Oh, well you drive that old thing andI'm like, yeah, and you got a R eight.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And I'm still gonna pass you.
Yeah, right.
So all that aside, I mean it is gettingmore and more expensive and I think it
is not just a changing of the guard,but it's also due to the economy.

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Things got really expensive during COVID.
Inflation is real, as weknow really what we do.
It's a luxury, right?
And it's a fantasy and we're livingout our boy racer dreams and you
know, going and having fun withour discretionary income and you
know, all that kind of thing.
But right now things are so crazy.
Is it worth going to go spend700 bucks at Summit Point when

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I used to spend 200 bucks?
And so you're kinda like,let me pump the brakes for a
second and be smart about this.
Because with all the dozing andthe layoffs and the constant
consternation that's out there, wejust don't know what's going on.
And to boot, now we gotta retract.
Some of the stuff we talkedabout last month with our
trouble with tariffs episode.
I also think we should make aclarification that we're not

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retracting the highest seatin all the land is retracting.
Do we even have tariffs anymore?
Like I don't know whatthe heck's going on.
No.
We still do tariffs to do chips because?
Chips, because tariffs.
No, they're still all out there.
That's for sure.
The automotive ones held.

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But then previous agreements withMexico and Canada aren't being voided.
So basically certain parts that arebeing imported from those countries
are not impacted by the tariffs.
So they're not seeing a tariff,but like everything else still is.
Brad sweatpants are, weknow that I, I don't know.
Because then how do other cars imported?

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Yeah.
Those are still, I guess, subject tothat particular country's particular
randomly assigned tariff rate.
I, I'd hate to be the person who has toaccount for audit and track all of that.
I just wanna know where the money goes.
We're imposing all these tariffs andwhere is the money going if it's actually
being collected to lower our deficit.

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Right.
You know, I'm not gonna get into thatdiscussion, but this goes back to our
anecdotal showcase for this month.
So we're at dinner after we sawyour doppelganger and this mountain
man van clone that was out there.
What did I order?
Where was I?
It was barbecue joint.
You ordered a barbecue, place some,yeah, some ribs and some cornbread.
Definitely got the pulled pork then.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Right?
Yeah.
So as we're sitting there enjoyingour meal, talking with our friends
who we hadn't seen in a while, theywere telling us about their new car
buying experience, and I'm trying mybest poker face because we talk about
this stuff every month and I'm like,if you don't have to, don't do it.
Blah, blah, blah.
You've heard me rant about thisand I'm just like head in hand.

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Again, trying not to show mycards and I understand why.
You know, their son is now of drivingage, so they gave him mom's van and
she's sort of lamenting about missingthe van and she lived outta the van
for so many years and she loves her vanand blah, blah blah, and this and that.
And they tell us this story about,you know, there've been a Toyota
family for a long time and shewanted to get like a RAV4 hybrid.

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But you know, the fictitiouscountdown timer, like our DeLorean
timer, if you remember that wasrolling down and you know they gotta
buy a car before the tariffs hit.
Like a long story short, theyended up buying a Honda and she's.
Not really in love with it.
She's sort of okay with it.
So it made me stop and think for a second.
Maybe it's my tinfoil hat.
Was all this a scam to get people to buynew cars because the automotive market

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has been soft for the last couple yearsand people are keeping their cars longer.
Yes.
Yes and no.
Okay.
I think the tariffs exist.
I think there's a certain amountof sensationalism and panic that
went with the communication of it.
Oh, what was I just listening to?
Where they were talking abouttariffs and this, that, and the
other, and there's actually, there'speople taking advantage of it.

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Like we said, what would happen?
Right.
How do you know what a company's doing?
And there's people that have noright to be charging tariffs and
they're just marking stuff up.
Because they can, becauseeverybody else is marking stuff up.
Yeah.
That's very real.
And that's happening.
I'm seeing in my own world right nowat work and procuring stuff where
it's like our prices are rising.
Oh, and look, there's a line hereat the bottom that says tariff and

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literally like tariff, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, okay, now youjust have this extra chunk
of money that I'm paying for.
What again?
Where's the money going?
Allegedly into the Department ofTreasuries, bank account, Uhhuh.
So is it a scam?
I, I don't know.
Did the automotive industry andothers probably take advantage
of, you know, fanfare and hype?
I. To drive some extra salesat the end of the month.

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Probably, no doubt.
In theory, it shouldn't apply to what'son the lot already because they've
already been imported, they've passedthrough customs, so it should only
apply to vehicles assembled, postthe line in the sand or whatever.
And then any other cars that are comingoff the boat from other countries.
How fast is the inventory moving?

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I don't know.
Who are you to say that you know,X, Y, ZBMW from Germany off the
line was here or not here already?
Yeah.
Right.
Like I, I think it'sunfortunate the consumer loses.
All the time because at the end of theday, yeah, it's the person bringing it in.
Who, who's gotta pay the tariff to us.
And you know what they're all gonna dois it all ends up back to the consumer.

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'cause they're gonna raisetheir prices to cover it.
I'm like, and I couldn't do the math.
Maybe it was the barbecue sauceor something that was affecting
my reasoning, but buy anotherused car for a 16-year-old.
And you know what, I wasthinking about this the other
day in that thought process.
And I think there was somethingelse I was listening to.
I listen to a lot of like WTOP these days.
So I I, I hear a lot more.

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Oh my God, you move intoEric's neighborhood and all
of a sudden you're Eric.
She's worse.
I'll listen to NPR, but Iwon't listen to WT P oh NPR.
That's right.
NPRI had a long drive.
And the music selection andthe radio banter gets old
pretty fast into the drive.
True, true.
At any rate, so theyhave the relevant news.

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Conversations that they get you up to.
Speed.
Right up to speed.
Look at that segue.
Anyway, so I think they were even sayingsomething and it prompted my thought and
back to that night in that conversationand I was thinking, okay, the year 2025,
you've got a kid that's coming to drivingage and you go and they need a car.
What's wrong with buying them a used car?

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Because the used cars that are in thebracket to buy now, 'cause everyone's
argument's always safety, right?
Oh, it's gotta be safe.
Ugh.
Well, a car that you're gonnago buy that's 10, 15 years old.
Is way safer than when we, yeah, were 16and we're getting the 10 to 15-year-old
car, and it was perfectly okay then.

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But like the car in my backgroundright now, I mean it's safe.
Sure.
Got no airbag so it's not safe.
But back then it was no big deal.
Today you go and be like, oh, I'mgonna get a used Corolla that's
10, 15 years old that used Corolla.
Is.
A hundred times saferthan this 40-year-old car.

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And that was my first car.
So like what's wrong withgetting somebody a used car?
And to your point, have you seenthose crash tests where they take
your favorite car, the Malibu, andlike run it up against like a 1950s
Cadillac that's like the size of aschool bus and it'll just destroy it?
Like it's absolutely bonkers how strongthe cars are, even from like 10 years ago.

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To your point.
Well, I was even thinking like, youcould go back at this point 20 years ago.
Oh yeah.
A 2005, which actually is my daily driver.
I don't think it's a death trap.
It's got all the airbags, curtain,this, the other steering wheel,
dashboard, all that stuff.
I don't have all the nannies.
This is what reminded me of it.
It was an article on LinkedIn and theperson was talking about how when you're

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buying the cars for kids these days,you should absolutely be buying them a
brand new car because again, it's thesafety and this that and the other.
And people were making arguments about,well, no, like an older car with less
nannies makes them a better driver.
They're just gonna get complacentwith all this automated turn signal
and the blind spot detector thingwhere CAR is doing it all for them.
Like, no, you don't need to.

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And I, and that's what got me thinkingof this, I'm like, again, the 20
years minus 2025, that car is stillperfectly safe for somebody to drive.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's a lot different story than.
In 2000 and you went back 20 years.
The 1980.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh, I wantthis 1980 car as my first car.
And that also drove us intoanother part of the conversation.

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So I asked, 'cause I was reallycurious and Brad, you were on the,
what should I buy for my first timedriver in Teenage Driver episode?
And if you remember, we werepressing one of the panelists about
what it was gonna cost to ensurea 16-year-old new driver in 2025.
Oh, I forgot about this.
Right.
Good shit.

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So Rob Lores, if you'relistening, brace yourself.
Holy crap.
So I was expecting, she was like, yeah,you know, had to go through the insurance.
We got the quote and she's like,you will not believe what it was.
And in my head I was thinking, okay.
'cause she, what did shesay for the two of them?
It, they were only payinglike 2,500 bucks or something.
Yeah, something like that.
Maybe.
Or not even that.
Yeah, I don't even knowif it was that high.

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I can't remember.
But something in thatneighborhood of 2000 or something.
So I said, in my head I wasthinking, okay, probably doubled.
So I'm thinking like, okay,you're probably not at like
close to five grand or something.
No, ON to the G times three.
Literally $15,000 is what the insurancecompany quoted to add their son 15

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GT FO one, five and three zeros.
So then she said, oh,hell's no, basically.
And I don't know whatensued and da, da da.
At the end of the day, it came down toaround the 5,000 number that we were
all kind of guessing was gonna be it.
But the original quote was 15,000.
How did the insurancecompany justify that number?

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He's mail and 16 done.
But still, it doesn't fucking matter.
Do you remember whenyou got insurance at 16?
I remember when I got my first billand I was paying more than my parents.
Yeah, I was, what my mine was,it was $3,600 a year and I was.
Working to pay car insurance.

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Yeah.
For a car I could only drive to work.
Yep.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, I thinkthat's called is a circular reference.
Yes.
And I only needed the job topay for the car insurance.
And you needed the car to getto the job that you needed
to pay for the car insurance.
To pay for the car toget, exactly, exactly.
So when the train leaves Bostonand the other one leaves Arizona,

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how many Lito's pizzas is that?
It's not enough.
Lito's pizzas.
Okay.
So 15 grand.
I feel like you're in a world of hurt.
No wonder you gotta get paid $40an hour to work at McDonald's.
I feel like they need to sue theinsurance company for predatory.
Yeah.
Policies because that is absurd.
Not even that.

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The policy that they landed on, isthat with the same insurance company?
Yes, I think so.
Okay.
Then what did the insurance company doto justify that 15,000 fucking dollars?
I don't know.
'cause I asked her too, likewhen I got insurance on my car.
'cause it was old when I got it,and I'm sure you did this too.
Our parents are sort of like liabilityonly on the car, do the personal injury
protection like you're supposed to.

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That's state required.
That way you know if somethinghappens, but write the car off.
Yeah.
You're buying a cheap car.
You wouldn't put full coverage on a20-year-old car with a 16-year-old driver.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Right.
But, but but, but if you're buyinga brand new car and you've got
a loan on it, you need concrete.
Yes.
It's, you need collision,you need liability, you need
the bells and the whistles.

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And there's your 15 grandon top of a $40,000 car.
Well, they gave in the old minivan,so that wasn't necessarily the case.
Oh, true, true, true.
But I mean, just say peoplein general that are saying you
need to buy a brand new car.
There's other people thatwould do something like that.
Yeah.
People with no brains.
So granted, there's somemitigating circumstances here.
They're adding a third car,which is her new car, versus

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he's getting the hand me down.
But then he's the new driver and allthose, you know, amortization tables that
they go through, all that kind of stuff.
But what I thought was really interesting,but there's more, well wait, there's more.
Get out your slap chop for this one.
I kept thinking we saw doppelganger Brad.
I was like, Brad is hose man, two boys.
They get to driving age,it's gonna be like a million
dollars to insure these kids.
Right.
But what she told us was,it makes no difference.

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Now, male or female, they haveleveled the playing field.
There is parody quality baby.
Yeah.
But we burned our brass for not tovote, but to pay more for car insurance.
So I'm basically screwed as well.
I'm like, oh my God, this is whyyou buy an old piece of crap car.
But see, the thing is I keep tellingthe wife, we gotta buy 'em now and

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then just park 'em in the drivewayuntil it's time because the price
of used cars is going back up againlike it was during COVID because of
all the shenanigans that's going on.
So it's like when you get to driving age.
You're gonna spend 30 grand on a usedcar for a 16-year-old kid and then
have $15,000 worth of, it's insane.
It's absolutely bonkers.
Just that gives me the agitajust thinking about it.

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You know what I mean?
Who knows.
Even how the automotive landscape changes,I would assume in the next 10 years
is probably not gonna be so drastic.
But I don't know anymore the worldlike, I mean, unless they start
introducing the sodium batteriesand all this other kind of stuff,
even the EVs, you can't, it depends,like somebody wanted to be a jerk.

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What if there's mandates that say carshave to have X, Y, Z features on them?
Yeah.
I'd have to bend all my cars.
Do you mean like rear cameras?
Cameras forward cameras, yeah.
Automatic braking because all thenew cars have to have all that stuff.
Yeah.
So what if there becomes.
Even like airbags and stuff.
Oh, it becomes illegal.
Suddenly you can't be driving a carother than if you're towing it to a

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car show or something like your carshave to, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Those kind of things.
Like suddenly there's a whole swathof the used market that what do we do?
Crush 'em all.
I don't know.
It's so funny to me that they'vegot all these features that are
mandated as standard for safetyreasons, which you would think, oh,
if they make the car safer, thenthe insurance could, should go down.
Never does.
But then they also make the carsmore expensive, which means they're

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more expensive to replace and repair,which makes the insurance costs go up.
So you're always screwed.
And the driving tests are even simplernow than when we were started driving.
Did you know that they don'teven do parallel parking anymore?
Stuff like that is likenot even on the test.
And I'm like, are you?
You kidding me?
Especially on the East coast, if youdon't know how to parallel park out
here, I don't know what you're doingbecause every city is a gajillion years

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old and that's all you can do, whatever.
Anyway, so to Tanya's point aboutthe automotive landscape, jalopnik
another one of our favoritesources for automotive news.
Put an article together estimating whatit would cost for an all American made
car, let's say in the next five years.
Tanya, what is that number Thatthey just, my God, $400,000.

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What's the insurance on?
$400,000 car.
$4 million, right?
I don't know.
It's a lot.
So Brad, this leans back intoyour dashboard confessional about
why it's cheaper to keep her.
And oddly enough, I always used tothink it was like a track thing.
You know, when we used to go to the track,I. And one car would break and then they
would all like systemically have like apandemic of their own and then everybody's

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in the pit trying to like fix their cars.
And it was, it wasreally weird coincidence.
So you're talking about yourcar and all this kind of thing.
And then I suffered a near catastrophicfailure on the Jeep and a knock on wood,
I've had no issues with it in the last 11years except for the oil, the oil line.
You had an oil line issue from the turbo.
Well that's what I'm getting to, right?
Well it came back different.

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So I had one in the beginning whereit was smoking in the cabin, but
they fixed that under warranty.
It was a BS thing.
Yeah.
This would've left me debilitatedon the side of the road.
So long story short, I found out that thetransmission cooler line was rubbing into
the oil pan, and it had cut itself a hole.
And if it vibrated the wrongway, it would just start puking
transmission fluid everywhere.

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I thought it was, the oil pan was leaking.
And I discovered this after a coupledays of driving into the city, as I tend
to do when my wife's outta town, to,you know, drop the girls off and stuff.
And so it got to the pointwhere it was puddling in the
driveway like significantly.
And I'm like, Ooh, we got a big issue.
Got under there, figured it out.
And I figured, all right,I'll order new part.
We're in the middle of tariff time.

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I will bite the bullet.
The Jeep has been a workhorse for years.
It's dependable, it's reliable.
I love it.
It's a great place to be and all that.
And I order the part from aMopar Parts place in Texas.
I'm like, yeah, exciting.
It's, uh, it's 200 bucks.
I'll change it.
It looks like it's gonnabe a pretty big job.
No biggie.
I've done worse.
They call me two days later andthey're like, so the part you ordered

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is not the part for your Jeep.
The part you want is no longer available.
What?
Oh, you're kidding me.
Right?
So I started looking into it.
It has to do with the diesel, it has todo with the transfer case, the way it
routes, you know, they only made 35,000of those particular Jeeps in two years.
Like global productionnumbers were very, very low.
So a lot of this very specific partsare starting to disappear, which

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has got me a little bit nervous.
So I started calling around, trying tosee is there new old stock somewhere?
Is somebody sitting on one by chance?
Nothing, nothing, nothing,nothing, nothing, nothing.
So I, two options I'm gonna take tothe fab shop and have it all ripped
out, replaced custom made lines,and you know, pay the piper do that.
But my first course of action.
Was the tried and true fix itwith some Volkswagen parts.

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Oh well yeah, that's how you fix anything.
That's how, yeah.
So once again, the legend continues.
Mm-hmm.
My Jeep is back on the road, althoughI need to do, I now need to refill
the transmission 'cause I don'tknow how much fluid I've lost.
So it's still parked, butit is no longer leaking.
So this is awesome.
Uh oh.
Yeah.
The Jeep's been down, which meansI'm driving the wagon again.

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I didn't realize you hadstopped driving the wagon.
Wait, do I not know this story?
No, no, no, no, no.
So like, I've had to go on some excursionsnow, like I drove up to Watkins Glen
with it and like all these longertrips because you know, I had all this
stuff planned and it's not gonna stopme and I, the car's 23 years old now.
It's like I'm not worried about it.
It's been reliable too as all get out.
But this goes back to the conversationof when we were younger, you

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in the old days, the good olddays, we were beating our chest.
We had our first cars and it didn't matterif the AC worked because what did we have?
We had AC 2 55 rolled the windows down 55mile an hour, except when it's the rainy
season and it's humid and it's gross andyou have no air conditioning, that is the
most disgusting place on the planet to be.
Oh, and by the way, when you get stuck intraffic with a VR six, uh, where does all

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the heat from the engine compartment end?
In the interior.
Mm-hmm.
That's like this car here.
You have this blast of air.
No matter what, it burns your leg.
I had to go to a meeting andI had to drive quite a ways.
I got stuck in track.
It took me three hours to get where Iwas going and first gear most of the way.

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And I'm just like, please God, don't letme have like big armpit, sweat stains.
It was like a sauna in there.
I was just dying.
And then you try to crack the windowsand then shit's all fogging up.
Oh, it was awful.
So I'm gonna give you a life hack.
What you do is you find a gym, right?
You a national chainwith the most locations.

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Okay?
You sign up for thenational membership, get in.
I heard about this.
You take a change of clotheswith you and then you shower.
Right by wherever your destination is.
Planet Fitness.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes.
You sign up Planet Fitness,$20 a month gets you the black
membership, which is the uhhuh,all the, the national membership.
And then you can shower anywhere.

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You take a change.
Clothes in the context of BigBrother is always listening.
They always say Your phone is alwayslistening or recording or doing whatever.
It's like, who cares?
Popped up in my feed, you know, afterI lost 10 pounds of sweat, another op
article, windows down impact on milesper gallon versus air conditioning.
And I'm like, oh, here we go.
So I read the article and it'salways the same old story.

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Parasitic drag of the aircondition on the motor, chew up
miles per gallon, especially thehotter it is, yada yada, yada.
So if you can deal with AC 2 55,like when we were young and dumb,
you're gonna get better gas mileage.
So I will say in testament tothat, would you like to guess what
I was getting on the highway outof a 23-year-old, six cylinder.
I can't guess.
I don't care what.

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He is like, it's better than my truck.
Yeah.
My, my, yeah.
My truck sits solidly at 16.
I am proud of my vr.
6 28 miles to the gallon.
28 is impressive.
I was gonna say 21.
Right.
28 miles to the gallon.
That's damn good.
And that's not some BS computerfiguring out, that's literally, I

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drove this far and I pumped that much.
That's what I consume from full.
So even if I'm off by a couplemiles, let's say it's 26, dude,
that's pretty damn good forlet's say almost 25-year-old car.
We're a quote unquote performance car.
Yeah.
And I'm chipped and everything else.
It's like, come on.
But that's not the end of ourVolkswagen drama, is it Tanya?
Well, there's more actnow for just 9 99 a month.

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So you know Tanya got herdiesel back on the road, right?
I did not.
You do the motor swab?
Yeah.
Fresh motor and all that.
We want me to talk about my beetle woes.
We have a mystery on our hands.
We started off talking about trackdays, this, that, and the other, right?
Yeah.
I haven't done a track day.
I didn't do any last year because Iwas driving the beetle all year and
I said, I can't risk my only car now.

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Something happening and thenI don't have a car to drive.
Granted, the VR six would've beenat my disposal had I needed it,
which you used it for a time, whichI did have to use a couple times.
But nonetheless, I said, you know,I'm not gonna do any track days.
We end up doing any, we'll share theother VR six or something and blah, blah.
So in hindsight, I think it was verygood that I didn't do any track days.

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I started having this mysterious issuewhere I was watching the temperature
gauge go really high and then it wouldsuddenly swing back down and then it
would go really high and swing back downand then settle back and be like normal.
And that's my secondarytemperature gauge the actual.
Temperature gauge of the cardoesn't exist, and it's just a
colored light that changes for you.
Mm-hmm.
Never went red to indicate thatthere was some sort of catastrophic

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temperature situation that was happening.
So I'm like, okay, maybe my gauge isgoing bad, you know, blah, blah, blah.
This was also winter time.
This was also around the time when it wasliterally below zero Fahrenheit in the
area, which I think was also a blessing.
So cars running fine, runninggreat poles, all this stuff.
I got the other car back running.
It was just before.
It was just before I was about toget the other car back running.

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We said, oh, let's take a lookat it, see what's going on.
Realize the coolant wasn't circulating.
We opened up the thermostat.
Thought it looked kind of funny whenyou looked in on the water pump.
Thought, oh, maybe the waterpump blew up somehow, you
know, and it's not circulating.
So we said, while we wereat it, we swapped to an open
thermostat, blah, blah, blah.
Put all that back together.
Turned the car back on, tryingto get things flowing again,

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diagnosed this, that, and the other.
Long story short, suddenly itstarts billowing white smoke out
the back and like the temperature'srising, the coolant's not flowing.
We're like, shut it down.
I bring it back, park it in my garage.
Next thing you know, I've got anoil puddle that magically appeared.
The car doesn't dripa fricking dot of oil.
Suddenly I have a puddle of oil under it.

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Long story short, I guess whateverwe were doing when we were running
it, trying to diagnose it and get thecoolant running, I blew up the turbo.
Holy crap.
I got oil coming out the exhaust pipe.
That's how blown the turbo is.
Milkshake oil coming out theexhaust, that thing shot.
We started taking it apart, pulledthe water pump out to find that
the water pump's perfectly fine.

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And I got worried 'cause we changedanother thing at the same time
while we were at it, we're in it42 draft oil catch can, we swapped
it so we closed off the top.
So basically, I think it startedfrothing the oil because I, I pulled
like the dipstick out to checkand suddenly it was like milky
looking and I was like, holy shit.
The head gasket like, what's going on?
Oh my god.
Before we touch anything, I drained someof the oil, took a sample, sent it out.

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'cause like if the head gasket isblown, the whole thing's coming out,
there's no point in doing a timingbelt service, this, that and the other.
Right.
Oil sample came back,said everything was fine.
There was no trace of anycoolant in the oil or anything.
So I think whatever we did with thecatch can was bad that it wasn't.
Freezing and it likefrost the oil or whatever.
Fine, we'll figure that out.
Meantime, when we're goingto like investigate the

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coolant and all that stuff.
The antifreeze, shimmers,like glittery, nail polish.
Oh it's crazy.
Like fairy dust inside, like metalshavings, like very, very fine, fine.
Like everywhere.
Awesome.
But the water pump cameout perfectly fine.
Nothing wrong with it spins,no signs of any damage.
The bearings all good.
So you know, mystery saga continues.

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And the other alarming thing thathappened when all the temperature stuff
in the winter, I had no heat in the car.
And I thought at first because everything,the car was running great and blah,
blah blah, but I would have no heat.
So yeah, it was fun times at zero degrees.
In a car that had no heat, caractually seals pretty well that car.
So I started taking apart thedashboard, which is still half apart.
'cause I was thinking, okay, maybesomething happened in, in the, the doors,

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like the door flaps weren't opening, sothe heat's there, but it's not coming
out and this, that and the other.
But all that looked fine, da da da.
So anyway, they finally got totackling it again this past weekend.
I think it was.
Did the timing belt service,put the auxiliary water pump in.
I got a new radiator 'cause wefigured okay, the water pump was fine.
The thermostat's not the problem.
This isn't the problem.

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That's not the problem.
Maybe the radiator collapsed and that'swhy there's all the metal shavings.
So ordered a brand new radiator.
The radiator is ancient.
Who cares?
They're not that expensive.
Put everything back together.
It's like still not reallycirculating the coolant with a hose.
We were able to put the water everywherethrough to the system and eventually
there was some air still in it.
So we got some of the air outand then I started finally

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feeling like heat coming through.
I think there's a problemwith the temperature sensors,
which I just got today.
So we'll replace those on the radiatorand the one that controls the fans
because the fans weren't turning on,which is kind of weird as the car was
getting up the temperature and we'resitting there and I'm like, the fans
should be coming on now and they're not.
Shut it back down before I Cher NOLsomething else and the fans work.
So I turned the AC on and thenthe fans started spinning.

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So the fans do work, but if thethermostat and the switches and
the things aren't telling what thetemperature to turn the fans on when
the coolant's getting hot, so be it.
Nonetheless, I don't have my track carstill for like, it's been months now.
I think I got the other car up atthe end of February, early March.
Mm-hmm.
And the beetle went down.
Basically the same time two weeks before.

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Mm-hmm.
And then I was borrowing the VR sixand uh, it's been down ever since.
So all this track dock, I can'tgo 'cause the car's not fixed and
I can't go 'cause I can't tow.
Wow.
So if I recall correctly, therewas the motor from the Gus.
Yes.
This whole saga.
It was, if we have to pull themotor because something catastrophic

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happens, you're putting the gus in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're putting in a 300 horsepower.
Four cylinder in it.
Yes.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Then maybe it's time.
So, so Tanya, did you blowup the beetle on purpose?
No.
To get the Gus No.
You should have, years ago.
Not at all.
I was very upset thinking that,like something with, of course,
like the head gasket blew andthen I Chernobyl the whole motor.

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I mean, I'm very upset that, thatI unnecessarily, accidentally,
basically killed the turbo.
But hopefully that won'tbe too much of a tragedy.
The Beatle will ride again.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, it's just thatit's so tight in there.
Uh.
The nightmare of getting that out.
That turbo worries me though.
I did watch a video of somebody, Iwas like, all right, lemme see how

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bad it's, well, it's not that bad ifyou just take the whole motor out.
Well, they didn't.
They didn't, but you should.
So the joke has always been with theBeatle service position in engine out.
Yeah.
Tell 'em about what youdiscovered in the Bentley manual.
So the last time we had the bumperoff, I don't even know how we got the
bumper off because the way the car isdesigned, so where the headlights are,

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there's a piece of the fender thatcomes down and meets the bumper and
in behind in all encapsulated that youcan only stick your finger through.
There's these two torquesand it holds part of the.
One side of the fender to the bumper.
Somehow we managed to takethis off another time.
How we got them back on, I don't know.
We, honey, I shrunk the kids and somehowgot in there and like twisted the thing.

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It's impossible.
So I, I said, let me look up some videoslike have take the bumper off the beetle.
And then I watched somebody doit and I was like, huh, lemme
look at the Bentley manual.
Oh, they said the same thing.
The way to get the bumper off is youtake the fenders and the bumper off all
as one piece and you take all of it off.

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So all of it is off my car right now.
Holy crap.
Like I walked into her garageand I'm like, what did you do?
And it looks like a dune buggybecause the way the frame rails come
down, it like cuts the nose off.
It's wild.
Very mad maxi.
It's pretty cool.
And then what's really neat is thetiming belt job becomes whoa, really
easy when you take the headlight out.

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'cause you could just putyour hand in sideways.
Yeah.
Which you can't do on a golfer, a Jetta.
So I'm like, oh, this is awesome.
So you just dismantle half the car.
And then you can do the job.
It's no problem.
I was always really worried aboutlike taking the fenders off.
I was like, oh my God, we take thefenders off and every, everything, like
they've never been off that I know of andit's like all your panel gaps are never

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gonna line up anymore, so it's gonna bea disaster when it goes back together.
But actually there's like studs,so it's like you can't misalign
it 'cause it only goes on one way.
Right?
So I'm like, okay, this,this isn't that bad.
Then they, they actually thoughtabout this since apparently the
service position has Take it all off.
Eric, I think you need to send Tanya ona trip or the next time she goes on a
trip, you need to take the beetle apartand put the gus in and she's just gonna

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come home to a 300 horsepower beetle.
That's what needs to happen.
That was the plan.
That's a built boater.
It's ready to go except for theminor custom things that do need to
still be done to be it, it needs adownpipe once it goes in, but it's
gonna be a rocket ship for sure.
'cause I mean, you remember thatcar VIR It would just leave people.
It was like say yeah.
So I, I say just do that.

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Just do that.
Stop messing around with a motor thatyou haven't even fully diagnosed yet.
Just do the Gus ran when parked.
A hundred percent.
All right, so as we wrap out ouranecdotal showcase here, I mentioned,
you know, I was driving to the city.
I've been on these long tripslately, and you know, I got some
windshield time listening to podcasts,listening to old drive-throughs and

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memories gone by and stuff like that.
Aw.
I did some car spotting while Iwas on the road as I like to do,
because, you know, I don't get bored.
I'm just constantly looking around.
Right.
First up on the list.
Remember how last month we were talkingabout the new facelift, Tesla Y and how?
Oh ha ha.
That must be ai.
They put the cyber truck frontend on it, blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, that's for real.
It actually doesn't look bad.

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I'll be honest.
I never thought theTesla model Y looked bad.
I was always thought it was funny.
It was made with Home Depot parts.
But the thing is theredesign is interesting.
The rear end is also interesting.
They made it, it almost lookslike a previous generation Dodge
Charger with that kind of skinnylight going across the back.
So all in all, I kinda like it.
I'm not saying I'm gonna run out andbuy one, but I got to see it in person.

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It looks better than it does in photograph'cause it does look fake in photos.
So on top of that, did a quintuple take?
If I could do one, I got to see,'cause I didn't think they existed.
I think they're like Tyrannosaurus Rexes.
The new two door ev.
Dodge Charger.
That thing is awesome.
It looks really cool.

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Too bad it doesn't have thethump of a Hemi coming out
of it, but it looks badass.
It is low.
It is wide.
At first, you kind of think it'slike some modified challenger.
Because it's two door instead of, youknow, the typical four door charger that
we're used to the last couple years.
But with that skinny grill,oh, it just, it is menacing.
It is tough.
It's terrific.

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Like I really, really liked it.
And honestly, if it had a gas or ahybrid option, I would go look at
one, like to go just to test driveone, because I was really, really
impressed with its stance and theway it just stands out on the road.
And it was a really pretty color too.
And I was just like, ohman, that's super cool.
Yeah, I can't say I've ever actuallyseen one on the road, but I know that the

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dealers are selling 'em for like $10,000under MSRP 'cause they can't move 'em.
They're also, they're stopping already.
They're discontinuing it in one year.
It's like the shortest productionrun of any stellantis product
because they can't move 'em.
Well the problem isthey're built in Canada.
Ah, there we go.
Tariffs.
Oh, there we go.
There we go.
Boom.
None that maple syrup.
And then finally, the last one,and I know Tanya saw one too,

(40:14):
about the same time period.
It's the first time I've seen one.
Again, they're wild.
There's rare as hen's teeth, and that'sthe new Z 400, which, you know, I am
still very much in love with that car.
The redesigned one that's comingout with the double grill, I
think that's even better looking.
But this one, at first, Icouldn't tell what it was.
I just see this black, low wide,big wheels tires, and I just hear

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this V six sound coming tintedwindows, and I'm like, what is that?
And it's coming at me, right?
It took me a minute to figure it out.
But there's that peculiar styleof the new Z headlights where it's
sort of like the Nike Swoosh thing.
It's got going on with the LEDsand that's when I recognize it.
But in all black DCH chromed witha body kit, oh dude, it is tough.

(41:00):
That is a angry looking car.
And when he went by just fromthe back with the red lights and
kind of reminiscent of the 300 ZXturbos, it was like, holy crap.
That is a. Good looking car.
Much like the three 50 Z was a reallygood looking car when you fixed them up.
And did the whole JDM fastand furious stuff to 'em?
Yeah, so I think the new Z400 really wears aftermarket

(41:22):
stuff really, really nicely.
So mad props to that guy.
Oh dude, I'm in love all over againwith the ZI love the three 70 Zs.
I like the redesign above the three 50.
Like I, the three 50 was, it was anice looking car, but I, I liked,
I really liked the three seventies.
A neat little benefit to doingthe weight reduction mod on myself

(41:43):
is that I. My ass is smaller.
The cars that I would never havedreamed of being able to drive are
now, I mean, my height is my height.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I can't doanything about being six four,
but with my body getting smaller,my chest size is getting smaller.
You know, I, I can foresee fitting incars like maybe A BRZ or the new Z, or I

(42:05):
don't know about the sra 'cause the SRA istight for someone who's sub six feet tall.
So probably not that.
But I'm adding all these cars to mylist of potential future purchase
within five to 10 years or so.
And I'm gonna have to add the 400 Zto that list because I like them in
the pictures and I'd like a three 70Z. But who knows what's gonna happen.

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But being able to fit in some of thesesmaller cars that I could not fit in
before, it's a neat little benefit.
And the new Z, you've heardme say it before 'cause I've
sat in one, to me, it's.
The Japanese 9 28.
It's a big grand tour.
There's a ton of space once youget in it because it's real low.
Yeah.
Once you sort of drop in it, yourealize, you're like, man, I got
like a foot of headroom in here.

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And unlike the supra, to your pointwhere the roof cuts off really fast.
Yeah.
You at six four could getin a Z with a helmet on.
I think there's plenty of space in there.
The problem is, if I go andlook at one now, I'm gonna wanna
bring it home a thousand percent.
I, I, I can't do that.
So I, I have to wait.
And that's why I asked last time whenwe were talking about this, because
the last time we discussed the, how theproduction numbers and the numbers sold.

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It's outselling the super now.
That's a good thing for the usedcar market in a couple years.
'cause that, that means there'llbe a lot more of them to choose
from when I'm ready to buy.
For sure.
Sweet.
Well that concludes our,our little adventure.
We should probably move onand talk a little bit more.
Volkswagen, Audi in Porsche.
I don't even know whatto think about this.
So there's a new GTI coming,but it's not your grandma's.

(43:33):
GTI, what is it?
The ID 3G TI That is it an electric car?
Uh, Uhhuh.
They are going whole hog on thiselectric thing at Volkswagen.
We're gonna talk a little bit more aboutthat in a second, but I don't like it.
I don't, it's a horrible.
But, but it's not great.
It's a Chevy Spark.
Yeah.
Thank you.
And that's the side profilethat I just got stuck on.

(43:55):
It has that shape and this weird two-tone.
Yes.
Doesn't do anything for it.
It's almost like the inner color.
I'm like, Hmm, that back that, ifyou just tilted that up a little
bit, that's a Mark four right there.
Let's talk about the price.
How much is it?
$54,000. And it's made in Germany.
So we gotta add what's their tariff?

(44:15):
Roulette wheel.
60,000 on top of that.
Yeah.
But it's gonna have 335 horsepower.
Yes.
One of the most powerful GTIs produced.
It's gonna have 335 electrons.
Are they really horsepowers?
Are horsepowers even really horsepowers?
Well, you know, the Aussies havealways rated their cars in kilowatts,
so I guess maybe that's, we're movingto that anyway, so it's all good.

(44:36):
Kilowatt kilowatts of powerthat way it's neutral.
It doesn't matter if it's ice orif it's electric, it's how many
kilowatts of power does it generate.
Then you don't have to worryabout torques either because
it's just power generated, boom.
Done.
And to this, say it's gonnabe rear wheel drive too.
I believe so.
'cause all of like the ID four and allthose, unless you get the all wheel drive
package, they mount all that stuff in therear because all of the electronic stuff

(44:57):
is in the front, which is why it doesn'thave a FR like every other electric
car has, you know, you get a standardhatchback, that's how it's laid out.
So at the current terra rates,it would hit just that $60,000
just under a $54,000 GTI.
'cause it's 10% on Germany right now.
I told you the GTI was gonna be 60 grand.
One of these days.
It's coming sooner than you think.

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What is the difference then between thatGTI and the GTI in the next article?
Yeah, so the New Eagle.
Yeah.
What, why is that differentthan the ID three?
It looks better.
This is the two door.
So the ID three is a four door andthe ID two is a two door for a second.
I was like, is this theinterior green in the eighties?
No, it's not even close.

(45:37):
The back end is markfive, a hundred percent.
Mark five with the, uh, Ionifive rear taillights on it.
Yeah.
Now this could be a rendering.
I don't know if they'veactually built this thing.
They're claiming front wheel driveinstead of rear wheel drive, which
people are, are mixed about that.
I mean, I think it looks cool.
I don't think they're evergonna build this because didn't

(45:58):
Volkswagen already say no more?
Two doors.
They were done.
No more two doors forever.
I There's a scene for the rear doors.
Yeah, it's just, it doesn'thave a traditional door handle.
So it's like a veloster thenwhere the rear doors sort of
hidden into the body work.
Yeah.
Which I think looks really cool.
I think I would buy a Hyundai.
I'm charged up for it.
Like the article says, getcharged up, get get charged up.

(46:20):
That's some bad dad jokes right there.
My man.
That is terrible.
I, I'm a bad dad, so there you go.
I'm confused though by thenaming conventions though.
What can be confusing?
GTI and e golf GTI and ID 3G TX.
But they're all GTIs.
And they're both a ev.
So what's the difference?
There's not, there's nothingGT about any of 'em really.
No.

(46:40):
This is like Audi's S lineor Porsche's, whatever.
It's just the, the Lexus is F sport.
It's just becoming a badge.
So regardless of the GTI and Egolf is a regular aline, but the ID
three golf, which is just an e golf.
Is the S line, maybe the Rs.

(47:01):
That's my confusion.
They're both golfs at the end of the day.
One's an e Golf electric, andthe other's also an electric.
You have a better chance understandingSumerian than understanding what's
going on in Volkswagen right now.
Okay.
So I think it's less that and morethink Range Rover and Range Rover Sport.
Oh yeah.
I could see that for Broncoand Bronco Sport, I, I don't

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think the new GTI is actually.
The same car, the ID two looksnothing like the ID three.
The ID three actually looks quitebigger, so they're probably not the same.
I think the only real GTI leftis the golf R, the marked four.
Well, there's that too, but no,in today's money it's a golf R.

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The golf R is still ICE powered.
It's Which is the GTIThat's not called A GTI.
Yeah, but it's the only true.
It's the only purebred versus theseother things, which we're gonna
slap GTI badges on it because we'retrying to entice a new generation
of people into the GTI lifestyle.
Right?
Yeah.
Or whatever you wanna call that.
It's like the Ford Mach E. Yeah, we'llcall it Mustang because the Volkswagen

(48:05):
Mustang, the Eagle Golf Mustang.
There you go.
To continue Volkswagenand Audi and Porsche's.
Infinite wisdom.
And we alluded to this a while ago.
That they were gonna do away with gasengines in the Boxer and the Cayman.
But now that is comingto fruition allegedly.
I think that's a bad move.
It's weird because when a bunch of othermanufacturers are reversing course now

(48:29):
double down, stubborn Volkswagen way ofdoing things, and it's your bestselling
cars too, like the Boxer and the Caymanoutsell the nine elevens, because the
nine elevens are so expensive, right?
If you're looking for a sports copay or asports convertible and you go to Porsche,
you're gonna buy one of those two.
I mean, unless you have 250 grand likewe talked about last time for a GT three

(48:50):
R Rs, because why settle for base nine11 when you could have a track car?
Why settle you peasant?
God, it's so lame to go ev in these cars.
It's gonna drive the used marketof a Cayman and a boxer through
the roof, though it's gonna comeout before the new Tesla Roadster.
I'll bet money on that.
Who's buying these?
Who's the market?
Who's affording it?

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'cause at the price that thegasoline ones are at, I mean,
EV's not gonna be cheaper anyway.
But that's not all that Porsche's up to.
Alleges alleges.
Yes, that's a good word for it,that they are gonna have a road
legal version of the Porsche 9 63.
And for those of you that don'tknow what the 9 63 is, watch any

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WEC or IMSA race from the last.
Three years, and you'llsee the Porsche 9 63.
It is an LMP one GTP hypercar prototype.
What are the rules aroundthis kind of thing?
Because I don't wanna be the DebbieDowner poo-pooing things, but why
does this need to be street legal?
First of all?

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Second of all, how can it be street legal?
This thing would pass no N-H-T-S-Asafety standards of any kind.
This thing is going to giveyou the most insane rock chips
if you're ever behind it.
Big ass tires that are completely exposed.
Can you imagine the missilesthat it send at your glass?
It's going back to thelike 19 96, 97, right?

(50:15):
Brad?
With the nine 11 GT one and they madethe Stren version, so they had like
street versions of the LeMans car.
I guess they're trying to do that again.
Who's gonna buy that other thanto buy it and put it in a museum?
How much is this?
This thing is gonna be rich people things.
Oh, on steroid for sure.
So yes, it's gonna be a one-off model.
Yeah.
And you're gonna sell one of them.

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Didn't they do this withthe nine 18 as well?
There's like a street versionyou could buy of that Brad?
I believe so, yes.
It's not out of their wheelhouse.
I just wasn't expecting it withthe 9 63 because there is nothing.
Street about that car.
You can't put groceries init, even if you wanted to.
And I wouldn't take that to the track.
It's too much car.
Haven't we already donethis with the 9 59?

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And that like didn't turn out very well.
Yeah, it wasn't a good street car.
Uhhuh.
Why are we doing it with this?
Which isn't even worse because somebodyat Porsche thinks it's a good idea.
Okay.
Because we're talkingabout it, aren't we though?
And we're talking about the brand.
These cars aren't really.
For people.
I mean, they're kind of unobtainium,they're kind of fantasy, but they

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get people talking about the brandand you shoot for the 9 63, it's
like, oh my God, look at that car.
It's the poster car.
You can't afford one.
You'll never be able to afford one,like the richest person that you know
would never be able to afford one.
You can get yourself an electric boxer.
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
And you can feel like you'repart of the team, right?

(51:39):
Yeah.
It's like I'm supporting Porsche.
Yeah.
I've got a Porsche.
Got a nine.
A nine.
Four four.
I don't have a nine 11.
9 4 4. Man, you're taking us back now.
All those 9 44.
9 24 guys going.
They are Porsche, I promise you.
Oh, I drive a Porsche.
Oh yeah.
What kind of PORs you got?
Oh, like cayenne to egg.
I, I, I drive the spice.

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Well, this next one is what weshould really be talking about.
And I know this hits hard for Tanya.
Do we need to like put heron the couch with a pillow?
We need to, we need to play taps for this.
I'm gonna have to go seek therapy.
It's sad.
So the Ital design firm, whichis Giros design firm, basically,
and he's very famous for.

(52:20):
Many cars that people would know,especially during the eighties.
Volkswagen, Audi, the DeLorean.
Mm-hmm.
Various BMWs launches this that, I mean,the, the list of cars that he's designed,
iconic cars, including the one herein my picture, were designed by him.
And so apparently they're gonna selloff the design firms or dismiss them.

(52:42):
There is a for sale sign infront of etal, design layoff.
Boom, you're gone.
I mean, did he die?
He's still around, right?
Did he retire?
The way I read it is Audi bought90% of the shares back in like
2015 or something like that.
And then when Juro officially retired, hesold the rest of his shares to Volkswagen
and Audi, and so they own it outright.

(53:02):
In their infinite wisdom.
We're gonna build something like the9 63 streetcar that nobody's gonna buy
and spend all that r and d and all thattime and all that money doing that.
And then they're gonna sell off oneof the most famous design firms that's
right up there with Pinine, Farina andother names that you know and let that
go because they're trying to save money.

(53:24):
It's like, wait, what?
Here's the question.
And it's actually something I was thinkingabout recently as well, because you keep
seeing these hosts and things and it's,it's all AI basically renderings of
cars and whether they be reimaginationof older cars in a more modern flare.
And honestly, it's like most ofthe ones I've seen, please hire

(53:47):
AI because it's doing a far betterjob aesthetically than the humans.
So is this a move to go, I canjust have the AI do my designs now.
I don't need this team of 7,500 peoplethat come up with crap, basically.
Right.
That's fair.
I don't know.
Is that the future?

(54:07):
Are there gonna be even morelayoffs for automotive designers?
Because hey, AI can do itcheaper, faster, better.
The only problem with that thoughis we're always mining old ideas.
So AI is really good at refiningand combining old ideas.
It's really good at doingthat, but it can't come up with

(54:28):
unique, new creative thought.
And that's where humans have tocome in and say, you know what?
We are gonna move that line likethis a little bit because we
wanna catch the air a certain way.
Like I don't think we're atthat level until you teach the
AI to think, well, once the AIthinks like that, that's Skynet.
That is Terminator time.
That's the goal.
We got issues.

(54:49):
All right, so let's switchgears and talk about Lanis.
Wait, wait, wait, wait,wait, wait, wait, wait.
What about our Mercedes and BMW News?
We've got like nothing.
We covered it for the year.
Didn't we?
Took care of it for the next five years.
We're good.
So what about that BMWM two?
That was designed to looklike a redesigned 2002.

(55:09):
It actually looked really, really sweet.
I have a filter that says, showme nothing from these brands.
I might have seen that it was likea, like a khaki color almost, but
it was really, really cool looking.
I would've definitely ignored it.
But that was another AI rendering, right?
Yeah, it was.
No, I think BMW actually built it.
I thought, oh,
alright.

(55:29):
Right.
Well.
Audi Volkswagen.
Porsche divorcing themselvesfrom retail design.
Ferrari did the same thing to ping Farina.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of people are kind of up in arms.
The new Ferraris are ugly as a result ofnot being associated with Ping farina.
Right.
And, and so I kind of wonder, toyour point Tanya, are they using
computers more now to design things?
I personally like the look of the 2 96.

(55:52):
I think it's cool.
I think it's a throwback tosome of the earlier cars.
I'm not a big fan of the F 80, althougheverybody says, oh, the F Eighty's
amazing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, that's outta my range.
Right.
If I was gonna buy a Ferrari, kind of likethe Porsche discussion, I could maybe.
Buy a 2 96.
I can't buy, you know,anything bigger than that.
There's something about thisthat doesn't say Ferrari to me.

(56:14):
No, it says Acura NSX.
It says McLaren to me.
Yeah, it does look like a McLaren.
A hundred percent.
You're right.
We talked about all this before.
I mean, and Matt Yip.
Mickey rest in peace.
He had an entire series of articlesand stuff about like the car design
and how it suffered so much just forthe pursuit of function over form.

(56:36):
Yeah.
He used to always say, you know, there'sonly one design that cheats the wind.
All the cars are gonnaend up looking the same.
Yeah.
And I feel like we're closing in on that.
Yeah, especially in the performance car.
In the hypercar, in the supercarmarket, because nobody cares
about what they look like anymore.
The whole point isabout their performance.
Well, the performance numbersof their stren 2 96 GT three,

(56:58):
whatever they got going on overthere, 900 hearse, pers, that's it.
I mean, they could do more, but900, that's nothing to sneeze at.
Just wait till they all startusing Dara chassis, right?
They can make the company so smalland just be engine manufacturers,
engine suspension components, and putthose into a Dara chassis and then
slap any old badge on it they want.

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Meanwhile, over at Alpha Romeo.
What is this thing?
I think it's a rendering.
I'm not a hundred percent sure.
All I got was a front end shotof the new stelvio, despite my
accolades to the quality of ai.
This might be a knockoff AI or something.
When you see those ais where theyshow the first with like eight fingers
on the one hand, Uhhuh, and it'slike, oh yeah, this is the future.

(57:42):
Good luck.
It's not ai.
It's ai.
Yeah.
Well this looks like a cylon, likedo you remember Battlestar Galactica?
Yes.
I was just about, I was tryingto think of, I was thinking of
the giant sentinels from X-Men.
Similar too, but thisit's just, no, hold on.
I've got the real picture for you.
That isn't it.
So the 2027 Stelvio, this is it.

(58:04):
Oh.
God, what is that?
Ugh, I think, Ugh.
There's vomit in my back of my throat.
That is terrible.
This is like if Stelviowas designed in Jersey.
Well, they went with that classic late1940s Formula One grill with the alpha
male written across it like you'd see ona, what was it, the that Then that's fine.

(58:25):
Which looks totally outta place.
It does on a car of this century.
The problem is the shapeof it's not right, like the
writing thing, fine, whatever.
I could get over that, butit's like the shape of that.
Is not right.
It's the Mandalorian's card.
That's what that is.
Look at it.
Do you see it?
Make it gray.
Hit the horn and it just says,this is the way, this is the way.

(58:46):
Did you guys hear these rumors thatStellantis might be merging with Reno?
I had not heard that.
Well, I read about it.
Apparently it's, it's not true.
So it can't be, well, it's not happening.
But I thought about that.
Got my spidey sense tingling.
Stellantis merges with Reno.
They already have Citro and, and eo.
They got all the French manufacturersthat are left and then by proxy

(59:06):
they would own Alpine and Nissan.
That would make Stellantis thelargest car manufacturer in the world.
I guess.
Is that really something to be proud of?
Because whenever we talk about thelargest manufacturer of the world.
It's never conversations abouthow they're making great products

(59:28):
and the cars are all awesome andI'm so glad that they're the num.
They're number one.
It's always, they're thelargest manufacturer in the
world and they make shit.
Tell me I'm wrong.
No, you're right.
Who is it now?
Volkswagen now the VA group and theymake complete shit before Volkswagen.
It was what?
General Motors?
Yeah.
They make complete shit.

(59:48):
You get to be the biggest becauseyou either you mergers and
acquisitions of failing companies.
Yeah.
So you just make your sinking ship bigger.
This whole Nissan pokeypokey that's been going on.
Right.
We talked about how Honda wasgonna merge with them and then, you
know, I found this rumor about St.
Lantus and Rene, which meant theywould've ended up with Nissan too.
And then I come to find out thatToyota had reached out to Nissan

(01:00:11):
after the Honda merger had failed.
I was like, okay, that's interesting.
And you know, you hear the, even todaythey were talking about, you know, the
head of Toyota's, like, if a car can'tbe fun, then don't bother making it this.
Coming from the people that make theCamry, the car for people who hate cars.
The 300 horsepower Camry.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not yourgrandma's Camry anymore.
No, but the reason I stopped at thismotor, one article is that it had

(01:00:34):
these really great pictures of this newNissan that they're touting right now.
But a lot of people might not realize.
And this is where I got excited isthat this is the R five, the new
one that we've been talking about.
That's like $250,000reskinned as a Nissan.
Just like the Duke wasa reskinned Reno, Cleo.

(01:00:56):
But you didn't get themanual transmission.
I keep thinking, is thiscoming to the states?
Like are we gonna actually getthe new R five by way of Nissan?
We need to go test drive this car.
Yeah, that'll be crap.
New Nissan Micra.
So it's a micro ma mi, micro Malta.
Ma. What is it?

(01:01:17):
Altima?
They're all Altimas.
It's the Ultima.
I think this is the coolest new Nissannext to the 400 ZI think this is neat.
I like this.
It's cute.
I added one.
Oh, the Fiat we, we haven'thad much there, but.
Click this and look howcute their little new Tuck.
Tuck is.

(01:01:37):
I saw this the other day andI was gonna post about it.
Isn't this just the oppe?
Who cares?
I don't care.
It's beautiful.
I'd love to see one of those, oh,look at this cute little thing.
It's a K car pretty much.
Which there's also news about thosestarting to make a return apparently.
Yeah.
And laws are changing around K cars wherethey're becoming actually more acceptable.

(01:01:58):
There's one running around here now.
Some guy brought one in right hand driveand he runs around town with it and
he's, he's got this thing on the back,like if you see me post on Instagram
and tag me, I think it's really cute.
But he takes that thing out on thebeltway and I'm like, good Lord.
If it does 60 miles an hourwith a tailwind and a semi
pushing it, that's a lot.
Good night.
Apparently Colorado has passed a lawthat it allows them starting in 2027.

(01:02:19):
Yeah, so there you go.
Geez.
Heidi loves crap like this.
It's a three wheel.
This is a Vespa with a bed onthe back, but they're only gonna
be in Africa in the Middle East.
So changes are, we're not gonnasee one roaming around Europe.
Is that because they can't sellthese to the little old Italian guys?
Probably not, because theirs arestill running after 900 years.

(01:02:43):
That's why they're like, I'mnot buying anything new now.
The thing is in Italy you candrive these without a license.
So I'm wondering if that's still the case.
I've also added on another recent article.
You've been hiding Fiat News from us.
What else is going on?
So there is the Grand Pandafour by four, the Granda.

(01:03:03):
It's the Granda Padana
I Donna Pan Granda Padana.
It's a concept so who knows, but they'recalling it a direct air to the eighties.
Panda four by four, except that thefront lights are from the Hyundai
Santa Fe that's out right now.
That's problematic.
And we have time to change that.

(01:03:23):
'cause this is a concept.
Oh, I see how it works.
It's kind of cool.
The little side panel wherethey have the two-tone thing
and if you notice it says Panda.
Ooh.
I still like the other conceptthat they came out with a couple
years ago that was like thatelectric panda, that thing amazing.
Still needs to be built.
They need to go back to that and restart.
You just need to import an original panda.

(01:03:45):
They're old enough now.
Maybe I should go shopping later.
Yeah.
Alright, so random EVs and concepts.
Tanya, you brought this to my attention.
I didn't know Amazon wasgetting into the EV game.
The pickup truck.
Yes.
The Bezos backed slate.
The affordable EV truck to outdo theanti Tesla, as they'd like to say.
It's minimalistic.
I think it has like roll upwindows, all that kind of stuff.

(01:04:07):
Like that's the level of minimalismthat it has and its starting
Price point alleges to be $20,000after federal EV incentives.
Why do these look like Broncos?
Nineties?
Broncos?
The white ones in la Kind of Broncos.
And is that a bad thing?
Probably the same thing as those Mahindra.
Yeah, because they bought the rightsto the old Jeep design, so they own the

(01:04:30):
rights to like the, the Willie's design.
They can't make 'em and sell 'emstreet legal, but they can make 'em
Well, the other thing with these isI believe they're all configurable.
And so you see the picture ofthe Bronco, it's the pickup truck
that they put the cab on the back.
Oh, okay.
And then they put the seats in.
And so it's, it's able to be convertedinto the five seat SUV versus the

(01:04:51):
two seat pickup truck or whatever.
And apparently it has a payloadcapacity of 1400 pounds, which if you
wanted to compare it to a maverickthat has apparently 1500 pounds.
How many bags of mulch is though?
It's a lot of bags of mulch.
I like it.
Actually, I, I think it's cool.
I wanna see this get made.
I'm gonna do a Brad question.

(01:05:12):
What gets made first this.
Or the scout, it's made first.
Uh, definitely this, whichdo I want to come first?
The scout, what you should dois look at their website because
with the customizable stuff,just scroll across the cars.
You just hit 'em.
Like look at all the color configurationsapparently you can do, and like different
wheels you get, but it's all like thesame car, but it's like, which Lego

(01:05:34):
piece do you wanna swap in and out?
Does it come with a prime membership?
You can order it on primeand get two day delivery?
Is a drone gonna deliver it?
It'd be interesting tosee one on the road.
So unlike the Tesla, you canreserve this for only $50.
Oh wow.
They're undercutting.
They did the undercut.
Fully refundable.
Fully refundable.
As long as you don'tcancel that credit card.
For whatever reason, Tanyabrought us another one in the

(01:05:57):
category of EVs and concept cars.
I never thought I'd say this.
Ever in my life.
Oh, it's the Russian Ionic five.
This Hugo, I'm gonna say it again.
This Hugo is really cool.
It's not terrible actually.
That's the sad thing.
But the front of it remindsme of like the EV charger.
Yes.
Al or something.

(01:06:18):
Let's bear in mind this is a model.
Yes.
Car, right?
Correct.
So a lot of people are like, oh,I gotta look at the build quality.
It's already crap.
They can't even remember.
It's like a shoebox size model.
Yeah.
It's like a one 18 scale model because youknow, that's all youo can afford anymore.
What is, is it, is this a car for ants?

(01:06:38):
Yes.
I think this is really cool.
I mean, if they could actually make it.
Be affordable.
It wouldn't be horrible if there'sworse looking things than this.
The question is, will the build qualitybe reminiscent of the originals?
Hmm.
Are they just melting down old Hugos andrecycling the parts here and, all right.
All right, well, I'm, I'm in it.
Um, we're gonna put a pin in that.
We're gonna keep an eye on it.

(01:06:59):
We're gonna skip over.
Lost and found this time, there wasreally nothing to report, nothing
from Chuck LED Duck, nothing fromChuck LED Duck or Gray Chevrolet.
But Brad mentioned before that wedidn't have any Mercedes or BMW News.
That was a good thing.
I've been biting my tongue this entiretime because we went straight to the
uncool wall with a brand new Mercedes.

(01:07:21):
This is another model, right?
This isn't, no, this is for real.
No, this is like a paint drawing.
The paint app on your computerrendered this, and people are saying.
And I quote the Mercedes Visionv vis-a-vis is damn sexy.
And I'm like, am I blind?
Did I miss something?

(01:07:41):
So when I saw the front end,it's a large mouth bass.
Reminds me of the cars Pixar movie.
Yes.
And it looks like Doc Hudson so bad,who is voiced by late great Paul Newman.
It looks like the Doc Hudson character.
Why are his headlights doing suddenly?
I, it's, it's a Mercedes.

(01:08:01):
It's looking down on you.
It's giving you side eye.
It's side eye.
Yes.
It's, and it's name is.
Gustav it is ugly is what itis, and that's why I put it up
on the uncool wall immediately.
You can go vote on it now with like 75other cars that we have on the list,
but this is ugly from the word go.

(01:08:21):
This is some CGI though, likethey didn't actually build one.
This is just computer simulation,but this is the garbage that
comes up in the news now.
It's stuff like this because there'snothing else to talk about, but
we're gonna get rid of etal designand we're gonna let computers
design the next generation Mercedes.
Again, to contradict what I saidearlier, this is the bad ai.

(01:08:46):
Actually, this is probablyhuman that did it.
That's the problem.
Horrible.
It's what it is.
It looks like a carp.
A carb carb.
That's unfortunate.
So switching to lowered expectations.
Lowered expectations.
I read this headline and that'sall that needs to be read.

(01:09:07):
California thinks driverless,big rigs are a great idea.
What could possibly go wrong?
I think that since we've clearly,we've mastered self-driving in.
Regular cars.
They don't wig out when they see thesirens, the flashing lights and crash
into stationary parked vehicles.
And as we saw from a couple episodes agowhere there was that comparison with the

(01:09:32):
the Roadrunner painting and the Teslablew right through the self-driving.
All this, clearly it works flawlesslyin a three, 4,000 pound vehicle.
Couldn't be anything but gangbusters.
When you got 19,000 tonscoming, nothing could go wrong.
This is Stephen King,this is Death Race 2000.
What are you talking about?

(01:09:52):
I only see this being a good idea.
If it's hauling other Teslas andit's hauling them off a cliff,
this is maximum overdrive.
Yes, yes.
Greatest movie.
Hundred percent.
Okay.
That's what could go wrong right there.
Let's all go watch that movieand then see the future.
From the past fact.
Let's go back to the futurewith maximum overdraft.

(01:10:15):
Speaking of what could go wrong, oneof my favorite sections on top gear.
Remember when they'd always startone of their little mini challenges
with how hard could it be?
There's been a lot going on withTop Gear and as we know, top gear's
officially off the air after they hadthat accident and that three wheeled
Morgan at the old test track with thenew crew and there was some lawsuits
and somebody got injured and all that.

(01:10:36):
So top gear went off the air,everything went dark, and then
the Grand Tour finally closed.
But now Hammond and May are back withoutClarkson doing some top Geary stuff,
and I don't even know what to call itbecause it shows up on Amazon Prime.
But then they were spotted at theold Top Gear studio and doing laps
around the track, which is kind ofcool and fun, but also really sad.

(01:10:57):
If you watch the video of Hammond.
In May going around, and I thinkit's May's Porsche Tecan, and they're
doing like a slow lap of the track.
You don't realize how long they'vebeen away from the old top gear set,
like how many years have gone by.
But you also begin to reallyrealize how old they've gotten.
We've grown up with them, so youreally don't realize it, but then

(01:11:18):
you, you kind of watch May andhe's, he's sort of got the shakes
a little bit, you know what I mean?
And he's, and he's strugglingto like remember certain things.
And he also almost killedhimself in that tunnel.
In Sweden?
Yeah.
Or Norway or whatever.
Yeah, in that Subaru.
The Mitsubishi, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Lancer, the Evo, um.
So who knows what traumatic braininjury he sustained from that.

(01:11:40):
Actually, legitimately, I don't thinkhe was right after that accident
to be honest with you, but it was anice little trip down memory lane.
It's fun to see them doing stuff.
I watched most of the new Grand Tourspecial, which all it is is just a best
of retro clipse from previous Grand tourepisodes, and they've got Clarkson in
there doing the voiceovers and everything,but that's not what got me excited.

(01:12:02):
What got me excited about Top GearAgain is that it's now available
as a dedicated channel on Pluto tv.
You can watch Top Gear 24 7 and it'sfreaking awesome to go back and watch.
And my girls were already fans of someof the Specials and the Grand Tour and
so I got to introduce them to thingslike the Bolivia special, or remember

(01:12:25):
when they did the Olympics and theydid the Mini Cooper off the ski jump
or the cop cars and stuff like that.
And so they've been getting into it andit's kind of cool 'cause I'll catch even
my young one or she'll bring Pluto up onher tablet and she's watching Top Gear.
I think it's absolutely fabulousthat this is now available.
And if people didn't know, I'mlike, go get Pluto tv, it's free.
Scroll down to Reality Televisionand there's a top Gear channel.

(01:12:48):
Boom, done.
Mark it as your favorite andwatch it whenever you want.
It's awesome.
Fantastic.
Well now I, now I know what I'mdoing with the rest of my life.
We gotta switch over to richpeople, things sponsored by a garage
style magazine because after allit doesn't belong in your garage.
Right.
Just when you thought youhad everything, Brad, I found
something you need in your garage.

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How about a golf live Cushman golf store?
Take a look at this thing.
Available.
Mecom auctions, I've lookedup to see what it's sold for.
They don't list the price.
They're keeping that hidden.
Somebody bought this thing.
Don's writeup over garage style reads.
We know just by virtue of its uniquenessand super cool golf paint scheme,

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that if he'd had the chance, SteveMcQueen would've bought this thing.
Okay.
This is a three wheeler Uhhuh, ifyou want this or the new Fiat Tuck.
Tuck.
I want the new Fiat.
I want the new Fiat because atleast I have a roof over my head
and you can put something in it.
It's got a truck bed.
This thing's useless.
I don't think Brad's sixfoot four could fit in this.

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His knees would be in over hisshoulders, behind his head.
I would have to high tower it.
Yes, I would have to rip the seatout and sit in the back and kind of
stretch my legs across both seats andjust shift in the center of my legs.
See, and this is where you sit.
On it and not in it.
Right.
There's a big difference.
Yes.
See, he would sit in the seat, butI think his legs would be over the

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dash, so to speak, and then he'djust reach down with his hand.
Then push the pedal,control the gas pedal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Alright, Brad, well if youdidn't like that one, okay.
That's too flashy for you andTanya said it was useless.
It doesn't do anything.
You can go with the standard editionCushman tow Cart, which Don writes
this three wheeler is Sure to makelife easier in a number of situations.

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And while it's a little rudimentarycompared to some of the other
items on offer in this particularcollection, we wondered if it might
be the tool you've been lookingfor and that every garage needs No.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's got a fricking enginehoist on the back of it.
That's the best part.
Unless you have a garagethat's a warehouse.
That's useless.

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It things awesome.
I think Brad could sit on that one.
Yeah.
Just spread leg out a little bit wide.
But yeah, this is the kind of stuffthat shows up at these auctions though.
And so I've made it a point now totry to pull some of this stuff out.
This is rich people's shit.
Nobody in their right mind.
Maybe Daniel.
They literally half-ass cutthe legs of an engine hoist.

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Yep.
Fricking using cotter pins.
Yep.
To hold that MFer down in there.
Yep.
You are gonna tell me thatyou're gonna lift an engine
and that aint gonna rip out.
You're gonna flip it over is whatyou're going to do that Oh God.
You try to lift a big block, 454 with that, you're gonna end
up with an engine on the groundand that thing's standing up.
Sure.
You know, you could have maybe, maybeconvinced me with the, without the

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engine hoist because it has a toe hitchon, it has got a little bit of bed
that you could have put something inat least four bags of mulch at best.
But it's a shame.
The price is unknown.
Zero.
It did not sell.
They're lying to you.
That's gotta be a five figure sale.
I guarantee it.
Again, I would take the took, took.

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Don't forget, if you're looking for thatextra special automobilia to complete
your garage, office den or man cave,be sure to check out garage style
magazine.com for a list of upcomingauctions and events, along with a curated
list of items going up for sale allover the country, because after all,
what doesn't belong in your garage.
Thanks for that, Brad.
It's time we switch to Are youfaster than an interceptor?

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Nailed it.
You might have an advantage.
Just a slight advantage right now.
'cause GM is donating cars to theSecret Service so they can learn

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how to drive manual transmission.
Well, the secret's out.
Secret's out, but they're doingit in Cadillac, CT Black Wings
till they get a handle on that.
You might outrun 'em even inthat, Hugo that we talked about
earlier, but not for long.
Can I join the Secret Servicejust to drive the Black Wing
and then quit immediately after?
Can I be a secret service trainer?

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That's a cool job.
I want to be their de instructor.
Yeah, Tanya.
We did that Cadillac specialevent at VIR that one year.
Remember that?
Yeah, I remember that.
She still traumatized all the hearse pers.
Yeah.
There was too many hearse pers Youdidn't like all them hearse pers
Not when I was in the right seat.
I didn't.
Appreciate them, especially spinningat the top of rollercoaster, entering

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rollercoaster with you in your student'scar coming at us at my door particular.
But I shall preface this section bymost of these have not been curated
by me, but you will know the one thathas been curated by me, of course.
But I am shocked, and again, maybe it'sBig Brother that's listening out there.

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There's so many of these articles thatare popping up now about the police
and traffic and all this kind of stuff.
So I find them entertaining and youknow, Brad put it into universe.
Are you faster than an interceptor?
And one of our long, longtime fansof the show, Mark Hewitt wrote
this month, Brad, he reached out.
Oh, oh my god, mark is alive.
What's going on?
Mark?
He sent us an article.

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About how the state of Virginia, yournew home state, will use technology
to slow those chronic speeders andother states are rushing to join in.
Haven't we talked about this?
Aren't they gonna use thoserevolutionary items called cameras?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
But they're actually gonna rate limit you.
Like slow your car down.
Yes.

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What?
So your car would have to be chipped,forcing you to put something in the car.
Yeah.
They're either gonna flash the ECUs,which again brings up a question of
whether or not that voids your warrantyor the manufacturers on board with that.
You know, do you havethe right to do that?
Or they'll put in some other devicethat will basically electronically
speed limit the car to whateverspeed they want it to be, which.

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Realistically, I've said before, withGPS technology, with an ev, they'll
be able to do this in the near future.
Well, not even an ev any, the newmodern cars that have the built-in
GPS systems, they can easily do itwith all the infotainment system.
If it's 45, it's 45, and if you slam thatpedal to the floor, it's gonna do 45.

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So they haven't set exactly what thespeed is going to be for stuff like this.
Because here's the problem, do you setit to the state maximum, which might
be 55, but on some roads it's 65.
And in other places in SouthernVirginia it's 70, or do you make it 70?
And now these people canstill go 70 anywhere they want
when the speed limit's 55.

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So they're still speeding.
So there's a problem with this scenario.
Well, they started talking about superspeeders and super speeders, someone going
more than 20 miles an hour over the limit.
Then they go on to talk about all thepeople doing over a hundred miles an hour.
And I'm like, okay, well thoseare very two different things.
Yeah, yeah.
Well it's 20 miles an hour overwhat and where a 20 mile school

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zone and you're gonna blastthrough there at 60 miles an hour.
Probably not a great thing, a stupid35 mile an hour limited back country
road through farmland where there'snothing but grass on either side of you.
If you did 55 and it's straight and flatand you can see it's not the same thing.
Now going through there at a buck20, probably not a good idea at all.

(01:20:25):
But this is tricky.
There's so much gray area and it goesback to previous conversation of the
speed limits are still ancient in a sense.
They're based off of corvets goingdown the road that couldn't keep
it in the lane and crap like that.
And with modern braking and all thisstuff, and even all the stupid nannies.
In the cars, some of the speedlimits should actually be higher.

(01:20:46):
Yeah, like 20 over a speed limitactually might not be beyond the
capability of the road and the car on it.
This is again, a slippery slope.
Why is Virginia getting awayfrom their old tried and
true throwing people in jail?
That takes too much time andthere's too much crowding?
Probably.
Probably.
But that's okay.
Because the state of Florida hasproven that speed cameras are

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effective in the great capital city ofTallahassee, they are earning $318,000.
I'm gonna say that again.
$318,000 a month.
From their speed camerasand they want more.
They plan to install 23 morecameras thinking they can
generate 18.6 million annually.

(01:21:27):
That's some good numbers.
Can I own speed cameras?
Like people own vending machines,can franchise speed cameras?
Can I franchise some speed cameras andjust set 'em up at random locations?
Yeah, I'll just take a percentage of that.
I, you know, I don'teven, 1% of 18.6 million.
That's not bad.
Yeah, every day.
Uh, I will say 10%.
Perfect.

(01:21:47):
You can keep the 90.
I don't care.
Just gimme 10%.
But that's okay.
As we know, and the DMV over 50% ofthe cameras don't work because we
don't have the funding to keep 'emgoing and they're all broken, you would
think that they would fund themselves.
Again, it's like tariffs.
We don't know where the money is going.
Hashtag corruption.
So the great state of Washington notto accused with the city of Washington,
DC also has speed cameras all overcities like Seattle and whatnot.

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In recent times, more than 8,000drivers in the state of Washington
have received speeding notices.
In the mail, but they're not being fined.
That's a very west coast thing.
Well, no, I think it's 'cause they're new.
So there's a, like, there's agrace period like warning you, Hey,
you would've gotten a ticket andthis is going to go into effect.
Hey, hey, hey.

(01:22:31):
I saw you.
You better slow down Mr. Well,according to the article, they actually
break out what the fines would be.
And all that.
And so again, it gets into thisconversation about many people
are like, Hey, you run through oneof those cameras on the highway,
you pay the fine, who cares?
You don't get any pointsbecause they can't validate who

(01:22:53):
is actually driving the car.
It could be anybody.
It could be a rental for all thatmatters until we get the forward
facing stuff that we talked abouton a couple drive throughs to go.
But I just think it's, to your point,Brad, it's so West Coast, it's so polite.
Like, I'm gonna send you a letter.
Do they include like a donationenvelope like you do at church?
It's like if you would like to donateto the cause so that we can continue

(01:23:16):
to mail you letters about how fast youwere driving and how bad of a sinner
you are, please, please just send us acheck for $5 and absolve your sins and
the next time they send you the littleaddress labels with your name on it.
Very Salvation Army.
Oh my God.
Yes.
Please accept theselabels as our generosity.

(01:23:39):
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Thank you so much for being akind human and only speeding.
10 over the speed limit and not 50.
Well, in, in talking about that.
Well, before we move on, I just wannasay I was in Maryland a couple months
ago and I blew through a speed camera.
I was doing like 60 and a 30.
Oh, well it's on, um, NewHampshire Avenue six 50.

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Yeah.
Down there in the very ruralpart of Montgomery County.
But I knew the camera was there.
They keep moving the camera, likedifferent locations and I thought I had
already passed it and apparently I didn't.
So I never got a ticket.
I mean, this was a couple months ago.
I never got anything.
Nothing has happened.
Could still show up.
Or sometimes they're off.
So you might have lucked out.
Yeah.
No, no.

(01:24:20):
It was, it was on, I saw the flash andI was like, well, I'm done, but I don't
care 'cause I don't live here, so bye-bye.
Send me my a hundred dollarsticket and I will pay it.
My little church donation andI'll talk to you all later.
I kept on going.
I floored it to like 70 or 80 after that.
I was like, well, shit, I'malready getting a ticket.
Who cares?
Now it's the next camera's10 feet down that you know.
Yeah.

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Well, speaking of feed limits and whatnot,North Dakota is the next state to raise
its interstate limit to 80 miles an hour.
They could lose it to a hundred.
There's a population of a thousandin the whole state, and this is
the hot news over on the drive.
Thanks for that.
They're just raisingat five miles an hour.
It's already 75.

(01:25:01):
What do people do on those roadswhen they're by themselves?
Do they just do like ahundred or do you do 80?
Like is 80 fast enough at thatpoint because you're so bored,
it should just be infinite.
I've always felt that iregardlessof whatever the speed limit is.
People are gonna go the speedthat they're comfortable going.
True.
So on like a back road or something,the speed limit could be 45.

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I'm comfortable doing 50 55 on that road,so I'm gonna do 50, 55 on a highway.
You know, I don't need to go anymorethan 70, 75 miles an hour, especially
on like a road trip or something.
I just set the cruise control and go.
So I think most people are just gonnago whatever speed they're comfortable
going, regardless of whatever the speedlimit is, comfortable and capable.

(01:25:44):
When you're locked in at 72 miles an hourand somebody blows by you and they're.
Up your butt doing 90, 95.
And it's like, guys, the speed limit's55 or 60, we're already going well over.
You're doing double or what, youknow, you're trying to do double.
Are you in that much of a hurry?
Well, see, that's the thing.
When you're driving in New Jersey, youknow there the, the speed limit signs

(01:26:06):
all have an invisible one in front ofthe number that you, that you can't.
So they've got specialglasses that they wear.
Oh, got it.
With the Jersey vision.
And whenever you see a jerseyplate, you know that they operate
from a different law system.
Well, meanwhile, in California, itwas a bad day at CarMax, California.
No Santa Party.

(01:26:26):
Did you guys see this?
Dude who apparently was super unhappywith his appraisal on his Subaru Outback.
This person should be thrownin jail and that's it.
No, he should be thrownin a mental hospital.
Probably has some sort of Yes.
Mental instability.
Because what rational, sane persongoes, oh, I don't like this.

(01:26:47):
Hmm.
The next logical course of actionis for me to drive my car through
a CarMax and wreck everything.
That really helped theappraisal value of this car.
Right?
That's what I was thinking too.
I'm like, where's the logic in this?
There was none.
That's the problem.
Nobody, nobody has any logic.
He trashed that car.
He trashed the CarMax too.
Not only is his own personal insurance.

(01:27:09):
Not gonna give him a red scent onthis because there's camera footage.
I'm sure the insurancecompany's gonna see it.
So if he was thinking he was gonnaget a better value from insurance
than the appraisal, you're outta luck.
And now you gotta pay forthe damages on this building.
I think he just had the red mist.
He was throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
He did not know what was going on.

(01:27:31):
He was completely irrational.
And at first you think maybe thisis one of these staged bs, TikTok
Instagram videos, but this is realfootage because why would you do this?
Why would you damage a building?
Why would you damage a business?
All these people are like running out ofthe way 'cause they don't want to get hit.
So it's for real.
But what got me was, if you go scrolldown into the comment section, I love that

(01:27:52):
there's a Florida man, Tampa Bay comments.
My car's not worth that much.
Oh, I guess I'll just permanently ruin mylife and the lives of people around me.
I was like, Lord man,calling it the way it is.
All right.
Now we've saved the best.
Finally, let's get toreal Florida men's story.
Even though we're not going to Florida,the women of the East Coast right
now are going through something.
Apparently last month we had thecrazy lady in Virginia who got on

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the other person's car in a roadrage incident, ripped the windshield
wipers off that poor woman's car.
Well, this time in Pennsylvania,this woman in her road rage, rage
got out of her car and took a deuceon the hood of the other persons.
I'm sorry.
I have to excuse myself, ladiesand gentlemen, listeners, Eric
is dying in the back right now.

(01:28:39):
I love the little disclaimer.
You can view the originalvideo, but warning.
The video is graphic andcould disturb some viewers.
They've censored it out though,so you don't get to see.
No, you don't get tosee how healthy Oh no.
I was looking for the two girls.
One cup.
Damn.
Oh, no, no, no.

(01:28:59):
You're telling me there'svideo footage of this?
Somebody videoed it.
Yes, they videoed it,but they censored it.
My God.
They say defecate so many times.
It's almost a drinking game.
This is insane.
They don't really show it.
That sucks.
The shite grin, this woman has.
Oh my God.

(01:29:21):
I love the tagline.
Crappy situation.
What compels people?
Is it drugs?
Probably.
Karen was so mad the video was shot bya 17-year-old named Greg said he was
driving to his friend's house when he sawtwo women in a confrontation and pulled

(01:29:45):
out his phone and started recording.
So he's like, oh look, cat fight.
It's like, that's not the catfight I envisioned, that's
not what American Pie told me.
That is unreal.
Hold on, I'm not doneyet because apparently.
The suspect goes by the last nameshithead on her Facebook, believe

(01:30:05):
it or not, allegedly is an only,well maybe you can't believe it.
She's an OnlyFans model.
Oh, that's some dark stuff right there.
But she has moresubscribers than we do now.
You have to wonder, was it a stunt?
Yes, a hundred percent.
It had to have been, had tohave been for her OnlyFans page.

(01:30:25):
Except she got caught.
Well, she got arrested and I got abunch of charges against her, so I
don't know how good of a stunt that is.
Lewd act in front of a minor.
'cause the guy filmed at 17.
He is not an adult yet.
That's true.
That's what they'll get her on an idiot.
Well, public defecation is illegal too.
It depends on the state.
I don't know what Pennsylvania law is.

(01:30:46):
They can ride motorcycles with no helmets.
I'm pretty sure they, they can, theycan dump out in the sidewalk public.
Yes, those laws are related.
Same, same, but different.
The no helmet laws inPennsylvania do boggle.
My mind when I was coming back fromthe Glen, you spend a lot of time in pa
and there was a guy running alongsideme or running past me, and I'm like,

(01:31:06):
dude, you're doing like 85, 90 mile anhour, like weaving through people on
your big old Harley with no helmet on.
I was like.
You're an organ donor, I guess.
'cause I mean, I don't get it.
It's not even that.
That would be my first concern.
Getting hit by a bug.
Yeah.
And I have had that happen throughthe open window of the car that hurts.

(01:31:28):
Now imagine a rock.
You could go blind.
That's why they wear those bitviper sunglasses, you know?
Ah, whatever.
People are dumb Darwinism.
Pennsylvania's just likeletting that work itself out.
Well, and it's like, okay, the law's thelaw, but you could still wear the helmet.
Yeah.
That's the smart thing to do.
All right, folks.
Well, it's time we go behindthe pit wall sports news.

(01:31:50):
Well, the first up is wehave to report sad news.
The passing of the legendaryor celebrated engine builder.
Ed Pink, who died at the age of 94.
He's known for many v eights motors innascar, Canam, IndyCar, drag racing.

(01:32:10):
He pretty much, I think, wasthe guru of these motors.
He even consulted on with singertuning flat sixes and Porsche, I think
they said his last build was a couplemonths before he even died, like.
Just doing it like croaked basically,I guess the motor sports world has lost
legend there because we are still in time.

(01:32:31):
I wanna mention again that Lamanis almost here and the A-C-O-U-S-A
is sponsoring not one, but twoviewing parties over LAMA weekend.
The first one will be hosted inconjunction with the A RCF, the
Automobile Club of Florida atSebring International Raceway.
That's a start to dark event, just likelast year's viewing party at M1 Concourse.

(01:32:51):
And you'll also be able to signup to do hot laps of Sebring
International while you're there.
So that's an added bonus to that event.
And the second, A-C-O-U-S-A viewingparty is held in conjunction with our
friends at the Simone Foundation Museumin Philadelphia, and that's a full 24 hour
event with camping around the clock, demosof lamont's vehicles, all sorts of stuff.
Details on that eventare in our show notes.

(01:33:14):
And guess what guys?
We just got added to the playbill.
I am gonna be doing a live.
Evening with a legend fromthe Simione Museum at 7:00
PM on Saturday night of Lama.
So tune in for that.
There will be a live streamingoption and we'll make that available
to you guys as soon as we have it.
Do we get to know in advance who it isor is it a surprise As long as nobody

(01:33:35):
cancels, it's gonna be Harley k Clarkston.
Izzy would say, who's that?
Steve.
He is member number one, the Club de Pilt.
He's actually the owner operatorof the Mirage Racing team.
He took over in the mid 1970s and bringingmany, many wins to mirage and golf racing
through the middle and late seventies,and then carrying on much, much later.

(01:33:59):
So, very interesting guy.
I've talked to him before.
I'm really looking forwardto interviewing him there.
Live in front of an audienceat the A CO viewing party.
Do we wanna mention IndyCarpredictions for the Indy 500?
Sure.
What you got?
Uh, well, I gotta go with willpower.
SSVG running IndyCar.
That tells you how much I know.
I actually don't know who's burning.

(01:34:19):
I, I think there are a couple femaledrivers, I don't know, but not of a man.
What, what's her, Ican't remember her name.
All I've heard about indie cars sofar is all this drama about Penske
and the cheater parts, and they gotdisqualified and people got fired or
they got moved to the back of the pa.
It was like all this drama and I don'treally know what it was all about.
You know, we cover Indie 500 month, right?
Because it still takes a month.

(01:34:40):
There's all this qualifyingand all this testing.
They qualify like a week aheadof time and all this other stuff.
Yeah, there's so much stuff going onthat you kind of lose track because
it takes forever to get to the raceand a lot of things happen in between.
So I'm not saying that I'm toning it out,but I have dedicated my life to formula.
Uh.
Isn't a rookie sitting on pole Pretty 500.

(01:35:03):
Yes.
I don't know.
I bring it up.
I did exactly zero research.
I just know that it's this weekend andI'm probably gonna watch it a a little
bit of it with my host on Sunday.
So a typical Brad fashion.
Yeah.
Watch that Or watch theMonte Carlo Grand Prix.
Both.
They're on different times.
No, you get to choose one.
He's torn.
Apparently the Monte CarloGrand Prix is Monaco, correct?

(01:35:25):
I am I just being an idiot?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've never heard it calledthe Monte Carlo Grand Prix.
It's in Monte Carlo idea.
I don't know.
I would watch Monaco a thousand percent.
Okay.
Fun fact, my wife and her family went tothe Monaco F1 race about 10 years ago.
Wow.
Her dad's a big F1 fan and theywent to Monaco for the race.
Wow.

(01:35:45):
Look at that.
Well, since you've usheredus into formula, uh,
predictions for Mona, it is a snooze fest.
Yeah, it's a procession.
Sounds like it mightrain during qualifying.

(01:36:07):
There's a slight chance, butlooks like there's sun during
the race, so there you have it.
No.
Yeah, wherever they qualify iswhere they finish, unless somebody
wrecks and that's pretty much that.
Or Ocon tries to take 'em all out again.
One or the other.
I'm gonna predict Lancestroll is not gonna win.
I was gonna say.

(01:36:29):
Hold on.
I'm gonna do the Great Carac for a minute.
And Louis Hamilton, eighth place?
No, I think Louis Hamilton'sgonna get sixth place, please.
I think Alonzo's gonna win.
No Alonzo's too busy just being a jerk.
Like does he want everybody to hate him?
I read these articles about Alonzoand he is just like, I don't get it.
Like if you're done with FormulaOne, retire, he's not done.

(01:36:52):
He's not done with this.
Oh, is that what it is?
Yeah.
He's not done with the money.
The Benjamins.
No, of course not.
Okay.
Okay.
God.
He drives me nuts though.
He's got such a chip on his shoulderand I was hopeful there because
the Mila race last weekend was oneof the most exciting races we've
seen so far, at least to a point.
And it was like, oh look, Alonzo,he's up near the front and then it was

(01:37:13):
like boom, garbage back of the pack.
I realized he is there totow Lance stroll around.
He is paid to be in front of Lance.
And just do lead followwhile a race is happening.
It's like a de it's ridiculous.
It's not a bad gig, I guess.
Yeah, dude, I would be so pissed.

(01:37:34):
Depends on much money he is getting.
Go do something else.
Go race, WEC or imsa.
But what, what else does he have to prove?
He's won Lama, hasn't hewon an F1 championship?
Yeah, a couple of them.
So what else does he have to prove?
Who gives a shit what you think?
Fine.
Did he win Indy as well?
No, he, his car broke down.
Ah, okay.
So he doesn't have to triple crown.
He was, he was in the Hondas.
That kept breaking down, I think.

(01:37:55):
Well then he should go do like theBerg ring 24 or something different.
I think he's gonna go do whateverthe hell he wants and he doesn't care
when any of us think he's got hismoney, he's got his championships
in two different motor sports.
He's fine.
Go run to car, go ValentinoRossi and go to motorcycles.
Go the other way.
I'm not sure thattransition works as well.
Uh, it, it, it does not, it isa very different discipline.

(01:38:18):
That's when, uh, like Hockman went to godo rally and he is apparently the only
finished person without rally jeans in hisDNA and he was absolutely terrible at it.
Does he have NASCAR jeans instead?
Oh, like gimme, yeah.
No, no, no, no.
Alright, so continuing the saga ofthe Tizi and Ferrari and Lewis and
all this happy horse hockey Miami.

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Is a terrible track.
It's a terrible event.
Yeah, boy, it's a waste of time.
Terrible track.
It sucks.
But there was a moment ofjust absolute radio glory.
It's the funniest thing.
So Tanya, do you remember it was likeafter all the rain debacle and weather, it
was gonna rain, whether it was gonna rain,there was all that stuff at the beginning.
So it was a little bit exciting.
And then once there was no more callfor rain, it got super boring and

(01:39:05):
everybody just kind of fell into place.
Much like with some of the other tracks.
There was that moment though, where Lewisis fighting with LeClaire over the radio
because one is arguing that the other oneis holding them up and the team orders
And the team wasn't giving him the, givehim the point by let him through, right?
Yes.
So Brad, did you see this race?
No, but I think I saw clipsof what you're talking about.

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So Le Claire at some point is like,all right, give me back the position,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So he is gotta let Le Claire through.
And Hamilton didn't really want to.
Although he made a big stink about havingbetter tires and he really didn't gain
anything by being in front of Le Claire.
It's like, because the Ferrari's arelike, I don't know, they're just dog shit.
They must be four cylinders whileeverybody else is six because they

(01:39:47):
can't get out of their own way.
To that end, he lets Le Clairethrough, and then his engineers like
on the radio and he is like signs,1.6 signs, one point whatever.
Signs, signs, signs,like signs is behind him.
And then Lewis is like, do youwant me to let him through too?
And I just died.
That is the funniest thing I've heard inFormula One in like forever Apparently it

(01:40:10):
like went over like a lead balloon, right?
As it should.
But I was like, I was not expectingthat from Hamilton for him to like sort
of bite back and be like, Hey you, whydon't we let me let signs pass too?
He's very frustrated.
Was this the same race where hesaid that it like, just, just go
have a tea or something like that?
Yes.
Yeah.
That was later because he is like, thestrategy was complete bunk and he's like,

(01:40:31):
these guys don't know what they're doing.
And it was just, it's an absolute messand obviously he's comparing them to
many years of being with Mercedes.
That race in Miami was, it was boring.
The second half was whatever.
Other than that, it was.
Yeah, it was boring.
It seems like over the last coupleyears, Ferrari has just not been able
to figure out a strategy that works.
So why did he go to Ferrari?

(01:40:52):
It was stupid.
Uh oh.
It's about that.
It's about that again,it's about the tariffs.
I got it again.
How many championships does he have?
What does he actually have to prove?
I don't care what hesays in public facing.
Yeah, but what does heactually have to prove?
Absolutely not a God thing.
It's collect the paycheck.
Yes, exactly.
Like I've been saying.
So Emila the, uh, EmeliaRomania Grand Prix.

(01:41:13):
That was a good race.
That was exciting.
Lots of interesting stuff's happening.
Suddenly the Red Bull is fast again.
The McLaren's, you know, theywant to take each other out.
I think Lando is kind of playing dirty.
I don't just let Ptri do his thing.
He's faster than you get out of the way.
It's all these games there too.
But I think Le Claire.
You really got to see some of histrue colors come through at that race.

(01:41:36):
He got angry and he was driving inanger and I think it was hilarious.
And there was that moment thereon the radio too where he's like,
is this what racing has become?
Right?
Where it's all BS team politics andthey can't just race anymore because
we have to go to Plan Delta, wehave to go to plan this and that,
blah blah, blah and all this shit.
It's like, just let 'em drive.

(01:41:56):
Just let them drive.
Stop screwing around withtires and pit stop nonsense.
Build a better mouse trap.
Go out and race the hell out of 'em.
And let's see who wins.
But Tanya, you kept talking aboutturbo mushrooms during that race.
The Ferrari cars have a problemand it'll be interesting.
Whatever that problem is, isever unearthed because they are

(01:42:17):
incredibly slow and sluggish.
They barely can pass each other.
They can't keep up with the frickingWilliams, with DRS wide open.
They can't make a pass.
Everything is super slow.
But then there's moments where it's likehe got the turbo mushroom in Mario Kart,
and suddenly like he's raking people inand like the lap times are coming down

(01:42:38):
and it's like, holy crap, here we go.
Let's go.
And then suddenly it's like, do.
And the mushroom ran outand is back to being turd.
They can't get it out its own wayand accelerate like what is wrong?
That, or the geral woreoff one or the other.
Even LA Clare's car is the same thing.
Yeah.
Personally, watching some of that videoof the Incar when they're running for

(01:43:00):
top speed, even with DRS open, they'relike an eighth gear foot to the floor
and the thing just hangs there at like6,000 RPM in the wrong part of the
rev range and it just, it won't pull.
And I turned to Tanya as we were watching.
I said, I think the Ferrari needsto redesign their transmission.
I think the gearing is wrong.
And that's keeping those cars behind.

(01:43:22):
If they could shorten up their gearpack a little bit, six, seven, and
eighth gear, maybe they could get backsome of the speed that they're missing.
But if you're sittingthere in eighth gear.
At 6,000 RRP M doing 190 miles an hourand it won't pull, what is it geared for?
300? Like, it doesn't make any sense.
Those stupid engines turn like 14,000 RPM.
You're barely in thepower zone at that point.

(01:43:44):
You might as well just leave it inseventh at that point, you know?
So I, I think they're gearingis maybe what's killing them.
And then we're gonna hear excuses aboutthe floor design and this and that.
And the wing here.
And the wing there.
I think it's the transmission.
I think that's the achillesheel of the Ferrari.
And we heard Hamilton, I think itwas even in the last race, keeps
complaining about the brakes.
The brakes are very different.

(01:44:05):
The design is different thanwhat he is used to from Mercedes.
He mentioned before that he's never hadto engine break one of the cars before.
And he's having to learn howto do that here and it's okay.
So maybe one to chalk it up tohe is progressing the violin,
singing a song, complaining.
But at this last race.
LeClaire through qualifying in likepractice was bemoaning the brakes.

(01:44:29):
Like, my God, my God, my God.
Apparently they were like behaving.
So I don't know what theirtechnology or their brakes is,
but it would, they're electric.
They would behave one way in a certaintime and then suddenly they were
behaving differently at another time.
And it's like if your brakes don't work,if they're not carrying the right speed
or decreasing the speed in the zonesand, and having the right power to come
out, and if they have a sluggish motor,the transmission's not geared correctly.

(01:44:52):
I mean, they're losing time everywhere.
Yeah.
They can't get outta their own way.
It's horrible.
I mean, LA Clara's not a bad driver.
He's fighting and we could say the LouisHamilton's not a bad driver either, right?
And he's doing crap.
But then you see that them when they'reside by side with the other cars and it's
like the disparity is kind of evident.
They are not competitive againstthe Red Bull or the McLaren.

(01:45:15):
We'll see how it changes.
What race number is this, like 10?
Uh, I don't know that there'sbeen that many, but my prediction
has held true by the third race.
He wasn't gonna do any better than wherehe is at, but if the car is a problem.
Then it's not fair either,because where are the Mercedes?
They're at the front doing better.
Antonelli started like second at Amala.

(01:45:35):
It was insane.
You guys told me the Mercedes is inferior.
They don't know how to builda car, blah, blah, blah.
And now they're like kicking butt.
I don't think anybody said that.
The Mercedes as last year's season.
So Mercedes fell off and theywere wildly uncompetitive.
You talk about how, yeah, yeah.
Ferrari can't accelerateand get out of its own way.
It was pathetic.

(01:45:56):
The Mercedes as the season lastyear, wound down their improvements.
You could see they were doing better.
The Mercedes was becomingmore competitive.
So whatever they've donecoming into this year, yes they
have a more competitive car.
So maybe had he stayed with Mercedes,it'd be a whole other story right
now because Russell's doing great.
Antonelli's doing great.

(01:46:17):
Guess we'll see.
Too bad.
Super disappointed in Ferrari thisyear, but I'm gonna tough it out.
I promise you guys we're gonna,we're gonna ride to the end.
That would've been thelast five years as well.
So I mean.
And you wonder why I don't watch.
I'm telling you guys spend a yearfollowing IMSA and WEC and you will
see much better racing than the garbagethat Formula One is putting out.

(01:46:39):
And now we're gonna bringMickey Mouse into the equation.
Now there's partnerships with Disney.
Once I read that, I was like, thank Godthis is the only year I can go back to
watching real racing and not this trash.
He acts like somebody put a gunto his head doing it for you guys.
You called me out.
You said, I didn't know we toldyou to watch Drive to Survive.
Yeah.
You're not a real fan unlessyou watch Drive to Survive.

(01:46:59):
Well, let's correct that.
Emmy Award-winning drive to Survive.
Let me puke a little bit.
Emmy Award-winning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like giving yourself your own.
Yeah.
It's such garbage.
Whatever.
No, thank you.
There is no reason to watch Driveto Survive if you watch the races.
I mean, I'm just gonna flat out saythat, but you don't get all the drama.
Ah, you know what's gonna have abunch of drama in it, this Brad

(01:47:21):
Pitt movie, are we gonna go see it?
I mean, eventually I will seeit when it's at the bargain bin.
Free 99 on your streaming service.
Preferably, but I, I guessI could spend money on it.
I think I have a gift card.
Wow.
I'll use someone else's moneyto watch this terrible movie.
Third one of the night.
Brad Pitt movie, or completely unrelated,but car adjacent the Paul Walker story.

(01:47:43):
Which would you watch?
I need more information.
Is it any Brad Pitt movieor the Brad Pitt Formula one
movie is what I'm referring to.
So driven two or the Paul Walker story?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I would rather sit there and watchSesame Street with my kids for two hours.
Again, you're gonna be able towatch Disney with F1 soon enough.

(01:48:06):
So that's the future.
That's the future.
That means SPN owned by Disney too.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, is that what the partnership,is that like you'll be able to
stream Formula One on Disney?
I haven't read into it.
All I saw were pictures of MickeyMouse with a Formula One car
and I was just like, I'm done.
I'm out.
No, I'm not out.
'cause if you regular streamingDisney Plus, if you've got a
subscription to it now you can watchFormula One without paying another

(01:48:28):
subscription to the F1 channel.
Can we rename the F1 driverswith cars characters?
Oh man, that'd be so funny.
The winner of this year's championshipbecomes Lightning McQueen.
Mm. And then we've got the otherguys, I don't remember their names.
Oh, is there gonna be a Pixar Cars?
But F1, there was an F1 car.
He was Italian in cars too.
Yes.
I just don't see F1 TVgiving up the goat to Disney.

(01:48:52):
Giving them the rights?
No, I don't think that's what this is.
They're trying to appeal tothe very younger crowd by like
partnering to have the mascots.
But then I would question, doyoung kids even watch Mickey Mouse?
Henry likes it.
It still on.
Okay.
Maybe it's the other way.
Formula One is trying to bring Disney upto its level, not the other way around.

(01:49:13):
They gonna move the Miami race to Orlando.
It'll be on an oval andit'll be run by Indy cars.
Oh wait, wait.
They already do that.
Go 45 minutes east andjust run it at Daytona.
Well, I guess we'll have to reporton the developments of this as they
come to light in the upcoming months.
Yes.

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