Drive Thru News #59 - All roads lead to Le Mans Classic! - BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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There we go.
Welcome to Drive throughepisode number 59.
This is our monthly recap.
Put together a menu ofautomotive motorsport and
entertaining car adjacent news.

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Now, let's pull up to the windownumber one for some automotive news.
You notice, Tanya, he puts thegun there just like Brad does.
Mm-hmm.
It's something about the human mind.
We just add that the,the window number one.
Well, William, we arepicking up where we left off.
Welcome back to the studio.
Thanks for joining us tonight.
Lots to talk about, but it startswith these really stupid hats.

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You don't look good in that hat.
You don't like my hat Not worn.
That way it looks worse when Iput it all the way on my head.
Wait, wait.
I'll show you what it looks like.
It is better that way.
It's better.
No, it's totally worse.
This, no, it's better.
It is better.
That way.
I can't get my headphones on.

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Oh, there you go.
What the hell did you do to that thing?
You sit on it.
It was my suitcase thattook care of the hat.
It does look like thelone ranger thing here.
It's all sorts of bent up and whatnot.
Oh my God.
My band already broke.
I mean, it broke when I setit down on my stand over here.
Just fell right off.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not even bothering.
Doesn't fit my headanyway, so this is perfect.
I have no idea how they could get away.

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I, I should have stood there for about10 minutes to see what sucker paid.
$60 for one of those, right?
I wouldn't pay 'em six bucks for this hat.
No, I saw that price.
Like that was sad.
So the audience is looking at thisbehind the scenes on Patreon going, what
the hell is up with this stupid hat?
So this is the infamous.
Docents straw hat that you're supposedto wear at events like Pebble and other
concourses and, and so we have not theProfessor John Summers to thank for the

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acquisition of these wonderful hats.
As we were talking about on our lastdrive through, we were getting ready to
embark upon this massive guy's vacation.
You know, all this car stuff.
And so it starts.
In San Francisco at the HillsboroughConcourse basically for 30 days.
A little break for a dayhere or two here then.
But yeah, getting out there, I'dnever been to San Francisco too.

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That was a first for me.
I've always been SouthernCalifornia, everything like that.
So that was awesome about that.
But you know, it was well workedit because friend of mine hooked
us up with a little shop visit.
So we go to the old Riley, what is it?
Restoration shop or, which was phenomenal.
Can't remember.
What was the name of that shop we went to?
Wasn't it Bob Riley's place?
But then Brian, uh,what's Brian's last name?

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More, whatever.
But he took it over.
But he moved it from where it was, itwas, and this is a cool thing 'cause
if you drive by, you think it's anabandoned building, a hundred percent.
You, you not know what's in,like there's an old refrigerator
sitting outside the building.
This an old chicken farm or something.
The hatchery, I don'tknow, something like that.
But you go inside, it's one of those.
Old cool ass buildings, all brick.
It's got the big wood hand,Hoon, dormer, drafters.

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Awesome.
And then, I mean, just BRM, dhe, whatyou saw in there was just incredible and
respecting owners' privacy and whatnot.
You know, we really didn't, we tooksome pictures, but we didn't share
because we just, you know, hey, youdidn't want, it was like, which is
fine, which is cool, but I mean.
It was unbelievable thecars that were in there.
And it was cool to see because yougot stuff that was just starting.

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You had stuff that was basicallyjust getting touched up or you
know, a little fine tuned for someconcourse and stuff like that.
Well, millions of dollars worth of cars.
And you'd drive by it going,Jed Clampett lives there.
And you'd never payattention to it ever again.
You know?
No, you wouldn't at all.
And it's not like it's gotany shape or anything to it.
Think Okay, there's a bunch ofcarless or, I mean, just, it's crazy.

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'cause I mean, all the metal workingequipment seeing, I mean it just,
it's got all the stuff and theyneed to do the proper restoration
of cars of that magnitude.
Basically, though it's onlythree of 'em in essence doing it.
And actually only two of 'em reallyare actually doing any of the work.
Yeah.
Brian Kind is almost, I would sayretired, but basically retired.
Just runs the shop.
He's got a married couple, whichone of the individuals, that'd be
an interesting conversation to have.

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That's an episode unto itself.
Yeah.
Yeah, because like, wait, what?
Wait.
Oh, okay.
But her metalworking is just unbelievable.
Especially that wanderer and redoingall that pieces that are missing
from that car and all that stuffthat was in the back was super cool.
Yeah.
But you wanna talk abouta small world, Tanya.
We walk into this place and Brian walksout, older gentleman, these big glasses,

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and he's wearing a T-shirt and it's ablue t-shirt and all it says is Mirage.
I just have this smile on myface, do the, you know, the whole
Kojack point my finger like a gun.
And I'm like, man, you'rewearing the right T-shirt.
He said, well, what do you mean?
And I said, I just interviewedHarley k Clarkson like a week ago.
And he goes, you won't believe it.
I used to work for Harley.
And so suddenly this whole conversation,he worked at Mirage, all these cars

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and how Harley got started and this andthat, and so we got a really interesting
backstory, which led us into thelegend of Lamborghini and Bob Wallace.
And brought us back to camaraderie and theCorvette and it was like, who is this guy?
What have we stumbled into?
We're in the nexus now.
Right.
You know, I, I, all those conversationswere great because one, Eric was

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conversing with all these great storiesand people he talked to and then he went
into his stories and it just kind ofkept going because when he would bring
something up, it basically just got,oh yeah, I interviewed or I talk, you
know, so it all just kind of, all of asudden little web we weave, so to speak.
And he really opened up.
'cause he's the kind of guy thatthroughout his years, you can
tell he's been like all theseawesome places involved stuff.
But you know, he's the guy justkind of quiet, kept to himself, just

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did his work and stuff like that.
But he was involved in all this stuff.
So he, he has all the connections.
So we're getting ready to leave.
We're outside.
I know he had mentioned before over atSonoma at the racetrack, they had another
storage facility and the gentleman withMark Addison, God bless him 'cause he's
the one that got this all set up for us.
Brian goes, well, hey,here, you guys wanna go?
Here's the key.
I mean, I'm like, I just look justlike WTFI don't know you from Adam.

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I met you an hour ago, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Well here's the key, you know, go.
Yeah, just go over thereand this unit, da da da.
'cause that was a whole notherthing, trying to find the unit
once we got there and we looklike Keystone cops running around.
Yeah.
Trying to find the shop.
It was so bad.
They had on track stuff going on too.
So getting in, you hadto do all this stuff.
Well, mark just pulls right past the gate.

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These guys are, him and John, they'rein the rental car we had and they
get stopped for like 20 minutes,get debriefed like by the Gestapo
or something, trying to get in.
We just blew right through 'em andjust went, and I'm like, all right.
And trying to find the unit.
'cause the way it was explainedto us and oh, it's this one.
It's, I mean, just made no sense.
But we're like, it's gotta be this one.
Try the key.
Try the key.
It opens the door.
You open the door and what do you find?

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Another slice of heaven.
Oh my God.
And we got free roam.
I mean, just free run of it.
It was me.
Eric, John and Mark and whateverwas living in that wall.
'cause there was somethingand was in that wall.
Yeah, there was something else overseeing,I think keeping an eye on everything.
'cause I mean it would make itselfknown every now and then you kinda just
like, all right it it is what it is.
Oh god.
Oh, the cars let, let melist off some of the cars.

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Yes.
As soon as you walked in, there'stwo shadow formula one cars.
When was the last time you saw ashadow in picture, let alone in person.
So you got those two right up frontand then you walk in and there was
that Ferrari 1 66 under the covers.
Yeah.
Then there was that Aston Martin bandage.
That Chevron, which looks like aMcLaren P four, whatever it is.

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Behind that was not just any McLarenformula one car, James Hunt's, McLaren
Formula one car up on the rack.
And then there was a bunch of other stuff.
And the car that got me when we got tothe back corner of the shop, you know
we had been talking to Brian about thecamaraderie, Corvette and Bob Wallace and
all this stuff, and sitting there in itsoriginal livery, fully restored, whatever

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is the camaraderie, bird Cage, Maserati,that was at LAMA with the Corvette.
And I'm like.
You gotta be kidding me.
Like what?
Just the sheer chance of beingin the presence of, you know, all
these cars and all this stuff.
Absolutely incredible.
I mean, scene one, if we walked into thatshop and one of those would've been in
there, it would've been God is great.
Yeah.
But just the magnitude of everythingthat was in there was just.

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Insane.
I still argue I would've takenthat alpine home with me.
That was like perfect.
Yeah, that was a great little car.
And that thing was ready to go.
That thing was sweet.
You know, not only just the carsthough, 'cause then you start looking
at all the stuff that's kind of layingaround and stacked up or whatever.
Oh yeah.
Because it's just shop parts everywhere.
Yeah.
It's not like it's some placeyou're going into where they're on
display and it's like, no, theseare cars are running on the track.
And so they got just all thisstuff stacked up everywhere and

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posters on the wall that are.
Probably not very appropriate.
You know, in this day and agein the eighties they were okay.
In the eighties they weregreat, but not this day and age.
Like, no, I might not wanna this.
But I mean, just seeing the oldtrinkets and stuff was unbelievable too.
'cause it's just like stuff youcollect over the years, God, this
is from this and you know, andyou, it's not like it's repo.
I miss the legit stuff.
It's original.
Yeah.
And plus, you know, the cars on thetrack in the background, so you got

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this whole little vibe going on.
Yeah, that was crazy.
We've been blessed how we've started ourtrips from that one to the next one, to
the next one, all just kind of steamroll.
It's like, man, the a precedentwas set right out of the gate.
You're like, wow.
And we do have to apologizeto Sonoma Raceway.
You will sign the waiver thenext time you come through there.
Yes, yes.
My apologies.
My bad.

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Didn't know.
And I hope we weren't supposed todo anything when we left either.
'cause he just went rightthrough on the way out too.
Mark's like, what, what?
And then we spent some time withJohn Summers, the motoring historian,
and we got to see his motorcyclecollection, which is extensive.
Yeah.
He's got a problem.
And he keeps acquiring more.
And then it was like, howmany cars does he have?
Like, I can't believe hefits that Pontiac down there.

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I don't either.
With everything.
It's like, holy smokes.
Yeah.
I, I have no idea.
I mean, I'm amazed he doesn't have a shedout in his backyard with more stuff in it.
I, that's probably coming, but,well, he's got his other cars in
the warehouse, so of course it's notlike he's buying these beat up junk.
He's buying bikes, getting a great dealon him that either needing just maybe
a little TLC or, you know, they'rea little scratched here or there.
But they all run.
He rides 'em all.

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And you know, he has hislittle post-it note on it.
Last time it was starting,I mean everything.
But I mean, I'm a big bike nuts.
What he had in there was just,I mean, GS six R at the Ninja
ZX six is all this stuff.
Crazy, crazy stuff.
Just all crammed in there.
And I, I will say this, when you seeJohn's videos of where he is sitting,
it gives it a whole new context ofhis little hovel that he has where
he is sitting a hundred percent.
Changes your perspective completely.

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You, you're like, please turn the cameraaround so I can see all the bikes.
There with you in that he just sitthe other way and he says on his
show all the time, he's like, oh, Igot all these bikes I gotta fix, you
know, blah, blah, blah in the garage.
And I'm like, they'rethree feet from you, dude.
They're like right behind you.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
It's like just goes likethis and touching 'em all.
Yeah.
He needs to spin it around becausethen not to mention all the stuff he's

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got on the one wall, which the ta, Imean he just needs to do an episode.
Just touring that thing, just likeeverything else we've talked about.
Like Don talks about on garage tile,you drive past some of these houses,
you have no idea what's inside them,what people have been hoarding or
storing or collecting or otherwise.
And like his neighbor, whichleads us into the concord.
Yeah.
As we were point, whatwas it, 7:00 AM seven 30?

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Yeah.
On the day we were going out to seethis garage and stuff like that, we
catched a gentleman's garage was openand he had his two, three oh eights
sitting there and we're like, oh.
So we stopped as we get outta thecar, walk towards the garage, the
garage cut and I'm like, oh, maybehe thought we were gonna go rob
him, but it turns out awesome guy.
It's John's dear friend.
John's actually driven hiscars and stuff like that.
We met him following day at theConcor and had lengthy chats.

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Him, great guy.
Lots of photos and stuff like that.
It's interesting to the point, especiallyin San Francisco, 'cause I mean, yeah, you
got basically a single car garage door.
I mean if you got a double widegarage, you're living large.
I mean, 'cause they're deep.
They're all like two carlengths deep at a minimum.
Two cars as in like a 57Thunderbird, two cars deep.
They're huge.
Like you put three moderncars in those garages easily.

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Exactly.
I mean, he's got his four doorCatalina, his Mustang 2002 Mustang
bullet, one of the first series ofbullets, and then 20 motorcycles.
If not more.
They're deep.
I mean, you're fitting a lot of stuffin there and it's just basically
garage space unless you redid it.
But yeah, they're huge.
It's very surprising, you know?
And then obviously on thehills and stuff like that.
So yes, it started out that first dayset precedent and was like, fantastic.

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Now we gotta talk aboutconcor and the silly hats.
Exactly the weather, youknow, it was wasn't too bad.
But that's a concern.
'cause not only you gotta wear thehat, you gotta wear the blue blazer.
Oh my god.
White collared shirt and khaki pants.
Poor Eric had to go to, Idon't Did you go to Kohl's?
I bought everything.
I bought everything.
I had none of it.
But didn't you know the wardrobe before?
You didn't bring the proper stuffor you did and it was wrong?

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No, no, no.
It was correct and I had to buy itahead of time so we knew what the
dress code was gonna be, but it'sworse when you put it all on my stuff.
Still had the tags on it.
Like if we don't go throughwith this, I could return it.
That's where I was even the morning of.
I was like, oh shit, I still got a tagon my, you know, my jacket kind of thing.
Those of you who listen or watchthe channels and stuff like that?
No, I have an issue and aaddiction to Diet Mountain Deuce.

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Oh my god, that was so funny.
7:00 AM I found a Walmart.
No, I'm sorry, target.
That was about 10 minutesfrom the hotel I went.
I bought a cooler so that wayI could take my own beverages
and I bought Diet Mountain.
Did it?
'cause you know I havea very serious problem.
It got worse when we got to France,but we'll get to that point.
Yeah, that was hor.
Wow.
Yeah, we'll get to that.
I was all right for two days 'causeI kind of strung some things out.

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These Jones in after that.
Yeah.
So anyway, we get to the Concord.
I didn't know what to expect.
I don't think you knew what to expect.
No, I have no idea.
The only thing we had gotten, andit was literally the night before,
was this 200 car spreadsheet that weneeded to somehow digest, memorize,
understand what was on the field, andthen link these random abbreviations

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to the groups and try to figure outwhere the cars were on the field.
And then I get there and I'm like,well the field's not that big because
he made it sound like it's gonnatake an hour and a half to get to one
end of the field and then you're notgonna be able to cover the other half.
And like all this, I was like, what?
The way it was presented, it was verydaunting and it was like, oh crap.
Because then you get nervous.
'cause the position you're being put into.
Yeah.
And how people are perceiving you.

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You don't wanna look like an idiot.
But also to John.
And you know, the concourse individualsthemselves have put on the event
because they put the trust in John toJohn, find the people and da da da.
So we come up.
So it's like, you know,it's a big responsibility.
But then to your point, weget there and it's okay.
This is very manageable, you know?
Which is great.
'cause that was the one thing about it.
It wasn't like they had 500 carsor something like that, you know?

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Yeah.
You could technically stopping tolook at some and this and that.
Probably 45 minutes, an hour ifyou're really kind of stopping some
of the cars and scrutinize them.
It wasn't that overwhelming oncewe kind of got the lay of the land.
Well, your slice of the cake was a loteasier than mine too, because Yes, it
was all the Ferraris were together.
Yeah.
That made it, I was, yeah, thatdid make it very, very simple.
They were all just in this one spot.

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Perfect.
And basically almost in chronologicalorder too, which was great.
I was like, which manic?
A DD person put all the German cars wherethey did, they were all over the place.
I was like, it felt like a bee buzzingaround trying to like weave a story.
And so you and I strategizedquite a bit on how we wanted
approach the field, but in the end.
What was it?
We had a couple financial groups, USBank, there were a bunch of different

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groups that had gone out and thesetours and all this kinda stuff.
So one of the docents took theUS Bank guys and kind of went
off with them by themselves.
And then we were with John.
I never saw this side of John before.
I mean, he doesn't like it when wecall him the professor, but I called
him the professor in an affectionateway, like Gilligan's Island.
Right.
As a side note, in regards to.

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Mr. Professor, we kinda were toldthat he, we wished that we wouldn't
call him that or put that out thereanymore due to some circumstances.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
We only can do that inprivate, I guess, from now on.
So we're gonna continue to say itthroughout this episode, right?
Yeah.
We're gonna continue to say it.
So to drive it home because you arequest was made, but we're like, sure.

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That's like the worstthing to do is to ask that.
'cause then you're just gonna double down.
Right?
Right.
So he starts lecturing and he starts withlike these cheaty chitty bang, bang, open
top cars from like the 1920s and stuff.
And I'm like, okay, where is this going?
And then eventually he's like, allright, Eric, William, you take over.
And we're like, uh, excuse me.

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Yeah.
Again then.
And he wandered off too.
Yeah.
Stayed there and kinda like oversaw him.
Just be sure you know.
Nope, I gotta go like, all right.
Thank God we were togetherand we tag teamed it.
Yeah, I think that was very helpful.
Instead of just getting thrown intothe very deep end, that helped a lot
too, because then he played off eachother and as you're talking, someone
can fill in a gap or what have you.
So that, that worked out very well.

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'cause the other fact was the group wewere taking around showing cars, you know,
they're not car, I mean they like cars.
A couple guys had a Porsche snap, butit's not like they're hardcore, right?
Like us.
But it was interesting, you know, you pickup on the cues of things that are gonna
interest them 'cause you wanna keep 'em,uh, attention, captivate 'em and get 'em.
So it's kinda like you had to see whatperked people up and stuff like that.
And being money and stuff like that.

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I started touching on aboutavoiding taxes and Montana license
plates and all this kind of stuff.
And you went into this wholeinvestment thing and I was
like, that gives me a break.
I can collect my thought.
They seem to kind of grasp bond of that.
I'm like, I thought you guys'd besomething they'd be interested in.
Well, and they were, theywere into the super fun facts.
Right.
And I think, yeah, we startedoff well talking about, you know,
Porsche and 20% of the market forPorsche comes from California.

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Everybody's like, Ooh,ah, that's really cool.
And then, you know, we led intoother things, you know, and there
was a lot we talked, 'cause I thinkwe had them for 45 minutes maybe
to an hour, just to ourselves.
It was nice to know that bythe end, granted they're there.
It's part of like a corporateouting for this investment group.
And you know, somebody paid fortheir lunch and all the thing, you
know, to kind of wine and dine them.
But we didn't lose anybody.

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No.
When we got to the end.
And I think that's a indicationthat we did an okay job.
No, I agree.
No one wandered off the herd, didn'tthin out or anything like that.
And I think that's a, hey that we're, Iguess we're doing it right I guess, you
know, so I like the whole docent thing.
I think it's cool.
Would I do it again?
Yes.
Obviously this is the thingthat leads to the next thing.
So we'll see when we get the callto go do pebble and all that.

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This was all part of building up to that.
So your takeaway from being aconcourse docent and, and I know your
feelings on being a concourse judge'cause you did an entire episode
about that leading up to this event.
I mean, no, I'd love to be a docent again.
I mean, 'cause this weight's not gettingput on you in regards to objectifying
something and putting points to it.
I would do it again, a heartbeat.
And I thought that the ideapresented was like, hey.

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Go to Pebble this year and shadowsome people and stuff like that.
I thought that was a greatway to go about doing it.
Then next year in 2026,then hey, you step in.
Yeah.
Instead of just like,okay, 2026, you step in.
Okay, here you go.
You've done a few more eventsor something like that.
And I don't know if, hey,maybe we gotta do a few more.
I don't know.
But if we get asked, I mean, I'd doit in a second to be another docent
again, because I thought that was great.

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Yeah, absolutely.
You know, you get in for free, whichis great, but hey, you know, you meet
some nice people and stuff like that,you know, and it was a lot of fun.
Definitely.
It was a lot of fun.
So big thank you to John for inviting us.
Yes.
And making us part of that.
So yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
A huge thank Before we transition awayfrom California and talk about Europe.
Gotta talk about our rentalcar for just a second.
So fast.
So fast.

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We were chatting about this thing onDiscord the other day and you know, new
Volkswagens and all this kinda stuff.
So you, you ended up with a 2025 Jettawith a 1.5 turbo slush box automatic.
Oh.
If you remember on the, I think itwas the trip back or two Sonoma John
started without sort of starting.
He got under my.
Skin because he's talking about how niceit is, and I'm like, you obviously have

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not owned Volkswagens in your lifetimebecause this is, oh, I got on my soapbox
and I was going off about, oh, how muchI disliked it, and then I got a chance
to drive it, disliked it even more.
And you sat there quietly, sort ofjust smiling and not saying anything.
So I wanted to get your finalopinion on our Jetta rental car
because we're gonna talk aboutrental cars more as we go along.

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You think to yourself, God, thisis probably the worst rental
car there is on the planet.
But then you get to Europe into the 2008,
it gets beat.
You're like, holy crap.
It is possible to find somethingthat's even a bigger pile of shit.
To say that that Jetta was gutlessis a compliment to that car.

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Oh my god.
It was bad.
Yeah.
If you're a 16-year-old girlgetting her first car, it's perfect.
The Jetta's always had thatreputation, so it's fantastic for that.
No offense, Tanya.
I don't think that thinghad more than 90 horsepower.
I don't know.
It was, it was awful.
And everything was plastic inside.
I mean, you can just tell It's a mess.
I mean, it's built to be a rental car.
Yeah.
Now basically that's all it is.

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Built and sell to allthe rental car issues.
That's all that thing is forYeah, you might have one here, two
or there on a lot or something.
But I mean, I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
No one aspires to own a rental car.
Hands down, right?
No.
So again, as we wrap out theCalifornia part of the trip, I
wanna give another shout out to JohnSummers, the motoring historian.

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He's got an episode that's gonna air rightbehind this one, and he too talks about
his rental car experience in Cape Cod.
And I gotta tell you, editingit, I was laughing my ass off
like it was that Seinfeld moment.
It's gold, Jerry.
It's gold.
It's really good.
You gotta listen to it andit really goes with the whole

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theme of the rental car thing.
So check out the motoring historianafter this airs on Friday,
France.
Do we start with your flightlike you had some bad flights?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I mean, I was getting screwed byUnited Left, right and Center.

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Everything's set.
Everything's good.
Then get to the airport.
Now mind you, I had bought extra legroom, all that stuff and everything
because like I'm not gonna spend extramoney, but I kept following the prices.
I checked every couple days to see whatit is, and all of a sudden, bam, it
was $950 to upgrade the first class.
But I was like, done.
So upgrade the first class.

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I'm like, great.
Hey, eight hours I can sleep.
Then that way when I getthere, hey, we're resting you.
Get to the airport flight's.
Delayed weather in Dulles.
'cause that's where I was supposedto fly in from Cleveland to Dulles.
Dulles over, it's delayed like six hours.
So it's like, well I ain'tmaking that connection.
That ain't happening.
I had like a two and ahalf hour later or so.
It was like, okay, makingit the flight to Paris.
Paris.

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No, this is not the flight to Paris.
Okay, the flight to Paris.
You need to go to terminal two.
Ladies and gentlemen,welcome to Flight 3 0 9.
Service to Paris.
Paris.
So, you know, my phone starts blowing up,trying to get things switched, whatnot.
And I'm like going, I don'tknow what I'm gonna do.
And their first choice and responsewas, well, we can get you out tomorrow.
Ah, I can offer upgrade.

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I upgrade you to the flight tomorrow.
I'm like, no.
What would you do if you go intoEurope and all you lose a whole
day and everything like that.
Oh, it's just, oh, let's go tomorrow.
I go, there's gotta be something better.
I'm like, serious.
It's like, you know, and they think it'sthe greatest thing since sliced bread.
Like, oh, we solved thisproblem, we're the greatest.
I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
I'm not the only one.
'cause all these other people tooare, you know, in the same boat

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that we're on this flight, we'relooking for passenger Marcos.
Third for brown hold and iron glance.
So then finally after about 45minutes, I didn't get a phone
call or nothing like that.
All I get is another text withthe thing saying, oh, okay,
now you're flying to Chicago.
Then Chicago, of course I mightget in the person, but then I
look at my seat, I'm like, allright, you are in the window seat.

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Okay, no problem.
I changed the middle.
It's premium plus I ain't gonna complain.
It's still, you got the nice seat,everything like that, but you know it's
not your own little cubicle, whatever.
So it is a downgrade.
Yes.
So I get to Chicago, which you flyenough, you get to learn to airports.
They have Diet Mountain Dew Hopkins.
There's only two of the foodplaces up Soon as you go through
TSA that, so you gotta like buy'em and walk all the way down.
But anyways, it's a different story.

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He builds all his travel around wherehe can acquire Diet Mountain Dew.
Exactly.
And it's critical.
It's like, I'm gonna doa travel guide on it.
They had it, so I you like, I boughta couple, so I'm waiting 'cause
it was like two hours, whateverbefore the flight was going over.
So I call United said, Hey, uh,you got me there, which is great.
I go, but what are you gonnado about the downgrade?
Can you do something right?
What are you gonna do?

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Nothing.
And I just gave up.
I mean I didn't even bother after Igot home to bother with any of that.
I'm like, it's just a waste of time.
And the best part is, while thisis all happening, you're texting
with me, I'm talking with DavidMiddleton, I'm talking with David
Lowe from the A CO, all this stuff.
And my flight had changed 'cause I wassupposed to go to Boston and go over.
Yeah.
And I got redirected to Detroit andthen went over and we were trying to
figure out when are we gonna land?

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When are we gonna be there?
Oh my God, you're gonnahave to wait for me.
And then it turned out I was waiting foryou and like it was a whole circus and
no, almost basically it was a flip flop.
'cause it would've been, originallyI was gonna get there 40 minutes for
you and then now it just flipped.
And you got there four minutesfor me and I worked out big
things just getting over there.
But you get nervous 'causeyou're like, okay, is this kinda
gonna set the tone and whatnot?

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It's going over there.
It's like.
You know what got there.
It was great.
Now, of course, the one thing I willsay is my partner for the trip stated
that he's at the enterprise, but there'sfive different hubs and terminals over
there at Charles de Golf, and eachone has their own rental car thing.
So I'm down in this parking garage,wandering around looking for,
alright, where the frick is he?
And he is like, oh, I'm standingright in front of the thing.

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I'm like, no you're not.
He goes, no, there's only the one.
I'm over at two.
Like, well I'm in five so I'll be there ina half hour 'cause I gotta take a train.
Eventually found him.
It only took an hour.
I mean, you know, and walkingforever, five miles I think it was.
I, I was amazed 'cause the lasttime I went, I went with Dave
Middleton, you know, I was textinghim and all this kinda stuff.
He was on his way back to Germanyanyway, and I'm like, Hey,

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remember, and this and that.
And it took him like twohours to get through customs.
I blazed through customsin like two minutes.
I did too.
Yeah.
It was amazing.
Yeah.
So I go to the rental counter andI'm talking to the guy and he's like,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Tell him what youthought you were getting.
Well that's, that's whatI'm getting at, right?
So I'm talking to the rental guy.
I said, please make sure I'm in France.
I would like a French car.

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The last time I was here I got an Italiancar, doesn't make any sense to me.
Like I would like to rent a French car.
And he's like, oh, not a problem.
I already have you booked in one.
I have a EO 2 0 8.
I said, oh, okay.
2 0 8. That's awesome.
I was like, is it a GTI?
And he goes, oh yeah, GT series.
Oh cool.
'cause I'm thinking Hot hatch 20 8, this is gonna be awesome.
There's only the two of us.
We can go bombing down someB roads with this thing.

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'cause I think the two eightis really good looking car.
GTI sized it's appropriate hot littleengine and all this kind of thing.
Even if it had a downgradedversion of the motor, I still
would've been happy with it.
So I tell William, I'm all excited.
We're getting to 2 0 8,this is gonna be great.
This is gonna be fantastic.
Hopefully it's not that metallicmustard color that they come in.
So they send us not to the normalparking lot that I'm used to

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where the cars are right there.
'cause I kept looking at it.
Some really cool stuff in the lot, thebrand new Ipson, some Audis, like other
stuff was in the, I was like, okay, wellI don't see a 2 0 8 anywhere in the lot.
I'm like, oh no, no, no, no.
You gotta go to the bowels of de gall.
Yeah.
Three levels down into thisparking garage where they hide
all the cars under the airport.
It's like subterranean, right?
And we get down there and it looks likesomething out of black mirror and we're

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just walking and walking and walking.
And there's just row after tunnel afterrow after tunnel of just cars and cars
And cars are like, where the hell are we?
And we finally get, it's like 24out of 26 or something like that.
And we get all the way down, thefar end end, we're walking down
the aisle and I'm like, I don'tsee any two oh eights anywhere.
The key, when you blink thekey, it wouldn't make any noise.

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So it was like, where is it?
So we found this one guy, he wasthis random guy sitting in a chair.
I guess he's the attendant.
No booth, no nothing.
Just in a chair.
Yeah.
He's just sitting there in thegarage underground all day long.
That's what he gets paid to do.
And I'm like, I'm looking forthis car and I can't find it.
So he looks at the little tag andhe walks us over and he goes, boop.
And he blinks the lights andhe goes, this is your car.

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I'll look at William.
And then I run to the back ofthe car and I'm like, 2008.
What is this?
I forgot to add a zero.
Oh on that little description.
It was a manual, whichis exactly what I wanted.
But here's the deal.
And Tanya, you can sympathize.
'cause when we get to theItaly part of this, you could
talk about your rental car.
2008 is the size of a Tiguan.

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The older Tiguan, about that size.
C-U-V-S-U-V, whatever.
Do you know the specs of a 2008 peo?
How many cylinders?
How many hears pers on a scale of dog?
Shit.
Slow to Pretty much.
Yes.
Yeah, it's a turbo.
I'll give you that.
It is a turbo.
It's a, it's an odd number of cylinders.
We'll tell you that.
Is it really a three cylinder Yes.

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Three cylinder of turbo?
Yes.
How many Hearst pers 115.
115. That's generous.
Oh man, that Jetta made 115 horsepower.
You kidding me?
We looked it up.
I don't remember whatthe torque numbers were.
'cause it did feel torque.
Year 75 horsepower for something thatweighs 3,200 pounds with two adult.

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And their luggage in it.
So you can imagine how fast it was.
Well, he thought it was a diesel.
When we were leaving.
It sounded like a diesel.
I was like, oh, they gave us a diesel.
We're screwed.
So I would've scorched it offthe line in my 40-year-old.
Yes, a thousand percent Audi.
A thousand percent.
It did have that diesel sound to it.

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It hummed kinda like amotorcycle at high RPM.
It revved up pretty quick.
It just didn't do anythingwhen it revved up.
No.
So it didn't, it gothorrible fuel economy too.
We're gonna talk about that.
Yeah.
So no, the fuel economywas amazing actually.
Just enough.
Just enough.
Just enough.
So it was toy, I think what savedit was the gearing was so tight

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and so short that it must have beenlike a four 11 final drive because
it would spin up pretty quick.
That's all it was, saving that car.
'cause otherwise it wouldn'tget out of its own way.
So it took us an hour anda half to get out of Paris.
Yeah.
But yeah, you have to cut through it.
So it took forever.
And then the two and a half hours toLama, three hours after that on the
highway to get to the middle of nowhere.

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Driving through Indiana.
That's what he told me.
He's like, I flew all the wayhere to drive through Indiana.
That part of France is like flatand just farmland and boring.
And if you've driven on Route 70 goingeast or west in the middle of the
country, it's almost exactly the same.
It's like, all right, whatever.
So we show up finally in downtown Lamont.

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I had never been there because thelast time I went I stayed at the track.
So that's what we did.
So we're in downtown Lamont and Iturned to you and I go, so we drove
through Indiana to end up in Baltimore.
Yeah, because that's what it lookslike, the trams and everything.
Oh yeah.
All of it.
Turns out Williams like, oh, myAirbnb is across the street from you.
Well, across the streetwas under a bridge.
Through a tunnel, but realistically, onthe other side, on the other side of the

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block, I was directly out the front doorof the downtown Lamont train station.
So that was like right there.
And we're like, oh, okay.
This is cool.
And it wasn't far from the track.
It was what, three, four miles?
Yeah, it wasn't that far.
I mean, a little trafficin there, but yeah.
Well, it depends on whichroute we went that day.
That was just it.
So the GPS never tookus the same way twice.
No.
And it would take like a halfan hour to go three miles.

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It was absolutely insane that one timewe came back, we went down these roads.
Where it's like, if you've seen thoseepisodes of Top Gear where they're in
Italy and they're trying to fit the carbetween the walls, it was really tight.
Cars just parked astight as they could be.
And I'm like, are these one way streets?
What if a car comes the other way?
I mean, it was nuts.
It wasn't as stressful as it is todrive in Paris, but it was really

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just kind of a obnoxious, the way Lamais laid out, it's very industrial,
it's very tight, it's very old.
It's cute, I guess you could say.
Yeah, it's a lot of one way stuff.
'cause of those trams, that'swhat kinda screwed everything up.
'cause all of a sudden it'll be one way.
So you gotta go through these littleenclaves or whatever and that's the route.
And they love a traffic circle.
Geez, we But your hotel wasremodeled, which was nice.

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I had a fiat in the lobby.
It was awesome.
Closet you had was a little tiny.
Oh my God.
Oh yeah.
I had initially booked the room thinkingDavid Middleton was coming with us.
And I booked a room with two beds.
And the pictures, everything looks bigger'cause he's a fish eye lens and whatever.
William comes, I checked out hisAirbnb, which was super nice.
He had a ton of space.
I go up to my room, which was thecoldest place in all of Europe.

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Yeah.
Below zero all the time in that room.
It was ridiculous.
But I walk in and I'm like, oh my God.
And he just looks at me, starts laughing.
It's not two king beds or two queen beds.
No, no.
Two twins that are basicallynext to each other.
And I'm like, oh my God.
That would've been hilarious ifMiddleton did end up coming because
you, I'm like, oh Lord, one of youwould've been sleeping on my couch.
He wouldn't have cared.

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He'll tell you the story.
We shared a room in fer.
But we'll leave that where it is.
Yeah.
But my r and b was nice.
I had one bedroom.
I mean it was ground for full kid.
I mean it was nice to had this courtyard.
The young couple above me, the kidworked at uh, he's A BMW salesman,
the dealership there and they justadopted this cute little spaniel
puppy and Oh yeah, it was great.

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He was having a good old time.
Oh yeah.
Meanwhile, the first day therewas nothing going on at the track.
So we went to the museum and figured,knock that out, get that outta the
way, go to the official boutique,which is the official merchandise
store and all that kinda stuff.
So William, your impressions on themuseum seeing it now, outside of the
pictures that I had showed you when I wentthe first time, it's very car centric.
You can see where they're getting to.

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But I mean, no, you go to some places,the settings all there, they really sell
it on the ambiance, stuff like that.
And obviously, you know,they're doing a huge expansion.
Probably two years it'd be done,but it'd be cool to see what
they end up finishing with.
It's great because it's about the cars,it's about to race, stuff like that.
And again, it's not some massive thingwhere you can get lost in it and it's
like, well why do they have this here?
You know, it's Lamont Cars.

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Cars that race at Lamont.
It was a great way tostart the trip for sure.
Membership has the privileges, an A CO.So if you ever go, be sure you are an A
CO member 'cause you get 'em for free.
Yeah, that was awesome.
And the other thing Ilove about that museum is.
It's in chronological order.
Yes.
So you start with the earliest cars andyou wind up with the newest winners and
then they had their McLaren display andthen they expanded and added the 24 hours

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of Motos display, which is pretty cool.
I'm hoping when they expand the museum inthe next couple of years, maybe they'll
have some of the big trucks in there andsome of the other stuff that they run.
That would be really, really cool to see.
You know, I didn't ask and I don't knowif you had seen it but you know, 'cause
you go to some of those ones kind oflike when you go to an art museum, you
get the headphones and you're like,you just do your own walking tour.
I dunno if they had that, that'dbe kind of cool if they did that.
Yeah.
But it was awesome to start from thebeginning and you get all the way to

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wasn't last year's winning car wastwo years ago winning car, wasn't it?
Still all dirtied up, everything likethat, which is cool like how they kinda
do for Daytona and stuff like that here.
But it's really neat 'cause youcan just see how things progress
and were, and how things changedtechnologically, everything like that.
And how went from street cars tofull on race cars, kind of back to
street cars, back to full on race car.
I mean.
So it's really neat to see thatprogressive and seeing the jump in

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certain areas where you can see likewhat it was like a huge jump in regards
to aerodynamics and just the engineeringthought that went into going something
a totally different route in regardsto just following the same old shit.
It's really great.
I mean it's definitely somethingyou need to go see when you're there
and it's right at the front gate.
You can't miss it right at the front.
Yeah, it's right there.
Did we go shopping afterthat or was that the next.

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Yeah, no, we went in because,yeah, 'cause we were looking at
buying, I bought some books and Ibought the remote control 4 9 9.
Yeah, yeah.
Got it.
And the guy was there at the classicautograph and I was like, oh crap, I
could've brought it, had him sign 'em.
But he does those really cool comic booktype storybook that were really, yeah.
And they're cheat.
There's only like 10, 12 bucks thingknow, it was like I bought a couple of
them again is that scenario you can kindof go through and you could spend a crap

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load of money if you really wanted to.
But then you get into, which we kind ofhad this discussion is we'll get into the
third day or second day we were at thetrack to, okay now space in my suitcase.
Yeah, we mentioned at the museumtoo, it's like, well let's see
if maybe it's somewhere else youcan find a better price on it.
If not, you can come backin the museum and buy it.
But you know, I had a lot of cool stuff.
I mean I could have went to town buyinga lot of the books they had there.
I bought the one.

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But like, just historical,everything like that.
I mean just fantastic stuff there.
It's nice 'cause it's, again,you can actually put your
hands on everything like that.
Yeah.
So, but it's always gotta keepin mind if European sizes.
To American sites.
Oh boy.
Because that is thedilemma you can run into.
That can be a big problem.
So day two, a Lama classic, thetrack is still not hot, they're still
teching, they're getting cars ready.

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So we end up doing some shoppingat all the different pagodas
that are there in the villages.
And then we do the paddock tour.
Exactly.
And I didn't know this, youknow, I'm thinking, oh this is
great how they have this set up.
No on tracks, just alltech and stuff like that.
All the cars are in the paddock.
Once you can try and figure out whichpaddock is which and where they're all at,
then you can go walking through 'em all.
But then obviously go through all themerchandise day and stuff like that.

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You can take that time to do it.
It's not like you got a day wherethere's all this on track stuff going on.
Like, well I gotta watchwhat's going on in the track.
Well, but I wanna go see this.
You know?
So yeah, you can spend thattime and get the lay of the
land and it's awesome to see.
I know how they everything set up, butI didn't know previous tions of that.
They didn't have that on Thursday.
They jumped right in on aFriday and went, oh wow.
So you didn't have thatopportunity to do it.
So I was like, oh this is great.

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It's just really cool to see.
'cause everything's there.
You can get right up on the cars.
A couple of 'em here and there had kind ofroped off and so they should have, because
they were rather expensive vehicles.
But 99% of 'em just walk rightalong the side, go talk to the
crews, everything like that.
So you can really get.
Into it and looking at what theywere doing and what the car was.
And that was really cool.
And they had some veryunique cars there too.

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Yeah, that was awesome.
You know, I mean it's, 'cause you, youhad that access to get right up on 'em.
I mean it was, it was awesome.
Well, we never made it to thegroup C Paddock because they
must have put it at the airport.
It was so far away.
Yeah.
From everything.
Yeah, exactly.
They kept those cars hidden, butthey were blocked off by eras.
So you'd go into, you know,1923, which is the beginning

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of Lama, to like, I think 1933.
And then the next onewas like 34 to whatever.
And then there was like all the heydayof the Ferrari were all together and
then, you know, the hoopla, the sixtieswith the GT forties and all that stuff.
So they had all these like corralsjust for the paddocks and you would
move from one era to the next, whichI thought was really, really cool.
And then the legends of lama, thosewere up in a big pavilion, really

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pretty with the restaurants around it.
That's where like all the mainstationary shops are and everything.
Yeah.
So that was really cool.
And then you had car clubs?
Like everywhere.
Oh, everywhere.
Oh my goodness.
You know, obviously it's a bigplace, the whole track itself.
'cause they weren't using the Bugatticircuit, so that's where they had a
lot of these clubs and yeah, it wasone of those deals where every day
we all of a sudden figured out therewas something new we stumbled on.

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It was just like, oh geez,I didn't know this was here.
You know?
'cause you're just kind of going aroundfollowing stuff, trying to figure out.
And that was neat too 'cause youalways find something new but it just,
the car clubs itself are awesome.
Well I read there was 8,000 cars ondisplay, everything under the sun.
You saw how big that place is.
It didn't feel like it, but there werecars everywhere on display in groupings.
What?
I mean, again, it was fantastic'cause it was kinda like get your

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cars and coffee almost in essence.
Well I mean the Shelby Village alonewas the size of the normal car shows.
Huge.
Yeah.
And we find, didn't find that tillthe last day when it was raining too.
That was the other thing too.
Trying to find John Pierreand, and going there.
And we met Mr. Aaron Shelby as well.
But yeah, so it's like that alone, Imean, God now kicking ourselves that
we didn't find that the day beforebecause they must have had at least a
hundred different variations of Shelby.

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GT 40, GT three.
Oh it's insane.
Cobras everything.
It was just nuts.
Well that and the original Shelbycar carriers and the trucks.
Yeah.
And like all, oh, it was nuts.
That was really cool to see.
But the one thing I will say is Istill can't understand why they call
the different groupings plateaus.
You know, I don't, Idon't know why Plateau.
And that was what the classthey call Plateau two.
Plateau One Plateau.

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What?
And so the first day, though, I mean,that opens up a can of worms when you
start going shopping because they haveanything in everything under the sun that
you could want, that you desperately want,that you desperately need in your mind.
I need none of it, but I want all of it.
Exactly.
And it's kinda like the other placeyou go, a lot of them clustered up.
A lot of 'em had the same things,so you kinda like could chop it, but

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90% of 'em all had different things.
You know, you had all yourmodels, stuff like that.
But there were different typesof models these places and just,
I ended up buying some models.
Eric's ended up buying some models becauseit's like, uh, you twisted my arm though
and I'm, I am glad it is sitting here.
I'll, I'll do a littleshow and show and tell.
I had to buy a backpackto bring this home.
This is sick wide body, secondgeneration Audi Quatra coup.

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This is number 7 99 out of2,500 that were produced.
It was well worth it.
Again, I had to buy a backpack.
Just to bring it home, butit was priced good too.
That was another thing too.
It wasn't like it was obscenelypriced, 119 Euros, so I paid
more for model cars before.
It was super cool.
Yeah, and clothing wise, that was reallycool too because there's a lot of stuff
that you don't see over here, and whenyou go to any races here in the States,

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you know, you don't see any of thistype of stuff that they're selling.
You remember that Golf Miragepolo shirt that I bought?
Yeah.
My wife absolutely loves that.
She's like, that was a super good pick.
She's like, I really like it.
Looks good on you.
Nice colors.
Yeah.
Oh sure.
I like the way it's made andthat wasn't that expensive.
We bought that from oneof my favorite vendors.
That I found the last time I wasthere, which is RS selection.
They got some really nice stuffat really reasonable prices.

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If you're going in there to look forsomething special, you will definitely
find something special there.
A thousand percent.
It's awesome.
Great stuff.
A tip.
If you go take a really bigsuitcase and only pack it half
full a thousand percent becauseyou will leave with a lot of stuff.
And again, it's not price badeither, so it's not that you're
gonna spend thousands of dollars.
The only thing you'll leave with lesswith is the money you started with.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Your light wallet's gonnabe a little bit lighter.

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But other than that, so we getto the first day of track time,
which is practice and qualifying.
Shout out to Ty and to Tebow.
Are we allowed to use his real name?
I'm not sure some secret squirrel stuffgoing on there, but shout out to them.
I hung out with them when wewere at the hundredth Lamont.
Great guys.
A lot of fun.
Very knowledgeable about their areaof the car world, especially Porsches

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and Renos and stuff like that.
So we hung out with them for a while andthen unfortunately I got called away.
I had some a CO obligationsthat I had to take care of.
And then you went off venturingand wandering and filming and
being our roving reporter.
So that kind of sucked up that whole day.
But we gotta talk about some ofthe VIP experiences that we had.
Yeah.
Throughout the two days of racingthat we got you going off to do what

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you had to do was very beneficial.
For you.
What ended up coming about with that?
Fantastic.
And it needed to happentoo, but that was great.
But yeah, we kind of stumbled ontosome things that were like, it didn't
seem like it was gonna be real.
Our first thing we ended upin the BMW hospitality boost.
Yeah.
'cause we had found out,and it was very hush hush.

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It wasn't like they were shoutingout to the world you could do this,
that you could purchase a hot lapof the track now just like putting
around in a bus with 50 other people.
It was out the gate smoking the tires.
It was 400 bucks.
So you could split it if you want.
So two people, I mean, you weren'tdriving, someone drove you, but
it was a racer that drove you.
It was in an M three touring.
You guys were an M three.

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Yeah.
But it was a hell of a deal andstill not, you know, there was us
three yourself and Mr. Withers.
You go, you guys split it.
And then I'm like, I go, I wouldspend $800 to do this myself.
Yeah.
Well worth the price ofadmission to do this.
'cause it was unbelievableto be able to do, 'cause one,
get the sense of the track.
It's not as wise as it looks in TV at all.
No at all.
You know, and like he's, Ericsaid these guys, as soon as you

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got past that pit lane line.
Boom.
Floored.
We're doing a buck 80down the straightaway.
Yeah.
Bonkers guys.
Were not messing around.
I mean, having fun.
I just, oh, it was great.
But the cool thing was is Bill's,uh, wife Simone joined us that day.
We tried to finagle it at firstwhen we first went in to, to do
the hot lab, 'cause you had to getyour helmet and stuff like that.
And the first, they kinda likebeing a little standoff, well no,

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she needed to sign it, da da da.
It's like, well, it's paid for.
So we're like, all right, wegave, it ain't gonna happen.
Literally a minutebefore we're about to go.
They're like, well, does she wanna go?
Yeah, she wants to go.
So she was able to jump in the car withme, which was awesome because she probably
has never gone more than 65 miles anhour in her life, even on the highway.
So it was hilarious.
Listen to her giggle in the backseat whenhe's clicking off how fast we were going.

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'cause he's clicking off in kilometers,so he is like 2 80, 2 9, and it's like
you're trying to calculate it out.
You know, she's just laughing.
That is alone.
Like I said, that's worth $800 to do it.
It gives you such perspective on thetrack that you cannot get from tv.
We argue all the time asarmchair quarterbacks going,
why aren't they passing there?
Just get around them, just goblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And then you realize it's a two laneroad that they're doing 200 miles an hour
on no shoulder and it's super narrow.
Yeah.
There is no room to pass.
There's certain places wherethey've widened it a little bit, but
realistically, when you're going downthe mo sun, you get tunnel vision because
you don't realize on tv, like all thetrees, like how close everything is.
Yeah.
And then the two slowest cornersgoing through, let's say Indian

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arage combination and then mosancorner, you need anti-gravity
breaks to get through there.
And then Yeah, it's like turninginto somebody's driveway.
It's a 90 degree corner.
Yeah.
And it's super narrow at that pace you'regoing through there like 40 miles an hour.
It's insane.
But what was really cool wasIndianapolis Corner, and the Porsche
curves obviously, but Indianapolis.

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Is banked.
Yes.
There's a ton of negative camra therethat hooks the car and they come
in just screaming with the tireson fire and it's just like, tap the
brakes, let the turn, suck 'em in.
And then they gotta lose all thespeed going into Arage because
that's a 90 degree righthander.
Yeah.
And it's just like, holy crud.
But even there in that shortstretch from Bolson to Indianapolis,

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they're back up to full speed again.
You know?
And then there's that kink.
And again, on tv or even in a videogame, you don't get the same perspective
you do in the car and it becomessuddenly very real and Oh yeah.
It's the shortest eight and ahalf mile lap you've ever done.
Like it goes by in the blinkof an eye, it's so fast.
Oh yeah.
But it's justifi because you're gettingone lap, so they, they gotta cool down

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so you don't get a full lap, so you'renot blasting through everything and
then going back down the front straight.
But to your point, thatwas eight and a half miles.
Wow.
Granted the cars we werein, yes, they were fast.
But from what we are doing, you'reprobably take another 30 seconds off.
Yeah.
Wouldn't you think?
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And when the tires are warm andthe cars actually warmed up and the
brake, I mean, they just come out ofthe gate, the cars have been sitting

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there for hours, fire 'em up and just.
Full bore out the door.
And I'm like, yeah.
Like I told my coach, you'll listen to iton the video that goes along with this.
And I'm like, dude, the tires are cold.
And he's like, yeah, yeah.
And then he just steps on it even more.
And I'm like, dude,yeah, let's warm them up.
Yeah.
And he's like, four wheeldrifting outta one of the corners.
I'm like, Bravo.
We didn't die.
Yeah.
I mean, they did not hold back one bit.

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And again, that's what for thewhole spirit is you would think
in your mind like, okay, they'retaking people out on the track.
Yeah.
You sign your life away, in essencewhen you sign your forms and stuff.
Hit that line man foot tothe floor and just gone.
Yeah.
They were not whole and going aroundall the court, I mean as fast as
that thing could take it, theywere going at it nose the tail.
It was pretty awesome.
Awesome.
And to your point, the BMW boothwas probably one of the coolest VIP

(45:57):
experiences because we got to be overtop of the pit box during the Group
C run when they were qualifying andtheir pit change and all that stuff.
And then obviously a pit fire broke out.
You can check out the video.
It's actually really comical.
Yeah.
But it was such a awesomeview, such a great place to be.
You're sort of in the middleof pit row too, so you could
see from one way to the other.

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I mean it was, oh, that was awesome.
That was, oh yeah.
I mean the view and watchthat was pheno food sucked.
No Diet Mountain Dew beverages sucked.
But the view was phenomenal.
I mean, you're leaning right overand you check out the channels
and the video, stuff like that.
Everything's right there.
And I mean, you get the sounds,the smell and everything like that.
I mean, it just, and it was awesomewhen, and you wanted to use that adage
of like a monkey to a football uhhuh andone of the stops and they're during one

(46:42):
of the rings because it was just masschaos from the perspective of, you know,
these are historic cars, so normallyyou have a shop that's doing it, so that
shop's doing other cars too as well.
Yeah.
So they were serving some other ones.
So.
You like had one guy that wasby himself with about 20 people.
Then he had five guys.
With the five peopleworking on all five cars.
It seemed to be so, it was,it was really cool to see.

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But the sound, it's Clarksonsays, gives you the fizz.
It just, it warms you.
I mean it just like, yes.
I mean it just, it gets to your soul.
It's so awesome.
I still think the EO 9 0 5B, the 19 92 1 with the V 10.
Oh with the Jordan Formula oneengine was the best sounding
group C card there was by far.
It just rips your ears out and it alsokind of brings a tear to your eye.

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'cause you're like, that's whenmotors were motors in Formula One.
Yes.
Like they're pretty awesome.
Yes.
Talk about the pit stop.
I still think those Porsche guys duringthe Porsche race heard you, because you
want to talk about guys clowning around.
They put this car in the air onthe Jack with no Jacks stand.
The dude slides underneath it andWilliams's like leaning out and
he's like, you think they shouldput a Jacks stand under there?

(47:44):
Oh, OSHA's not involved overthere one bit or anything.
'cause in all I'm doing is justwaiting for that thing to drop on
this dude because I wouldn't trustthat floor jack keeping that thing up.
So from there I went with theA-C-O-U-S-A pre to the administrator's
lounge, which is pretty cool.
It's all a bunch of a CO people.
They're even higher up.
They've got a higher vantage point.
It kind of sits almostdirectly above the BM BMW box.

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We went there for a little bitand then you and I went to the
club to ot, which was pretty cool.
Yeah, that's a different experience.
That's like the exclusive driver's club.
They have their own private box.
It's all glassed in, got food,a whole bunch, good food, wine.
They had the best food by far.
Yes.
So shout out to CharlotteVerne for doing that.
And no air conditioning though.
They don't believe in that.
In Europe, they don'tbelieve in that over there.

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Bit stuffy.
It was.
It was.
And then if you opened thedoor, you got yelled at.
Oh yeah.
I mean you had some very pretentiouspeople sitting in that thing.
And it's like you look at it, so whenyou're in there, it's enclosed and,
and when you're sitting in the thing,looking on the track, in the thing
off to the right, there's a smalllittle deck here, there's a door,
you go out and right, there's deck.
But then to the left, same thing,but it's much larger and it's got the

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grandstand seating over by the stairs.
There's security, everything likethat, keeping people from entering.
So you're like, oh, it's part of it.
So, and it was stuffy.
So we went out there tosomeone inside decided to lock
the door on us, like, oops.
But on the other hand, you get to sitdown and you get to talk with Jurgen
Barth and you get to talk with GerardLause and you get to talk with all
these pro drivers that are in there.

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So that was sort of cool.
Yeah.
And, and the club de Palat was ourrefuge when we got rained out on.
Sunday.
So that worked out really well 'causeit's the only place that is closed.
So at that point I was like, wellit's a little stuffy but I'm not wet.
Yeah, it worked out well.
I mean it's again, for experience wise,it's, you know, you're sitting there
going, how in the hell did we end up here?
Yeah.
I mean it's one of those thingslike you're thinking to yourself,
the people you mentioned are justhanging out in there, stuff like that.

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And again, it just adds to thisexperience that just seemed to
get better and better and better.
Yeah.
And I kept collecting more andmore armbands as time went on too.
You need an armband togo everywhere, right?
Yeah.
And you need to scan your ticket toenter, you need to scan a ticket to
leave or your armband or whatever.
I mean, so they were gatheringdata left, right, and center.
And then obviously we did all the ACO stuff like La Chappelle and the Our

(49:54):
Tribune and that was all the Tribunewas great for breakfast the morning.
Yeah, it rained and all that stuff.
But there's two more things thatwe did I think that are super cool.
We had to split up in order to do them.
So you went to the grid walk andI'll let you talk about that.
And I went to the SPORTIF mode, whichis the famous building you see on tv.
The round one that has the panorama.
It sits over top of start finishand you can see down the Porsche

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Chicanes down in, you know, wherethe Ferris wheel is and all that.
And I will tell you the view fromthere, and I took pictures and
stuff is absolutely incredible.
Now granted, there weren'ta lot of people up there.
We could hear a pin drop.
It was like a library up there.
Club de OT had the best food.
Hands down.
We can agree on that.
But the Sportif model, it's one ofthose places when you go up to that
fifth level, you gotta have the specialaccess and the handshake and the

(50:39):
colored band and the whole nine yards.
And you're just like, I am in a place.
I think maybe this is wherethe Pope watches Lamonts.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like it's, it's super special.
It's super exclusive.
So that was really neat.
Now could I have spentthe whole weekend there?
Not unless all my friends were with mebecause there wasn't enough atmosphere
at classic versus what I was toldis at the 24, that place is bumping.

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It's like a club and it's likea whole thing and there's music
and you're watching the race.
And so with a different groupof people, different atmosphere,
that would be a lot of fun.
That would be holy cow.
Sees so much from thereit's got a 270 degree view.
So it's like you can see allaround you, which is awesome.
That's a neat thing.
Yeah.
Been on cron 'cause rightwhere that thing's located.
I mean you're seeing down the oneway you're seeing down the other way.

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I'm sure that was spectacular.
And again, that was the cool thing too,is you got to be able to go do that stuff.
I got the opportunity to godo some other things too.
So I mean we got these experiences Yeah.
That we can share.
Yeah, we did a lot together andknew it but then we got to do these
separate things that really kind ofjust took it to the moon in regards
to what the experience was regarding.
The grid walk was unbelievable anda huge thank you to Bill Withers

(51:43):
'cause he had gotten a band to do itas a thank you for getting his wife
to go on the, a hot lap, whatever.
He gave it to me and I wasunbelievably humbled that he
actually, you know, gave that to me.
'cause you can pay to getto do it but it ain't cheap.
Probably the most expensive upgrade.
Yes.
It was like 1500 bucksor something, wasn't it?
So it was insane.
Yeah, it was crazy amount.

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So I mean that was like huge on his part.
I mean I just like, Icould not believe it.
So yeah, that was really cool to goout there and there might've been, I
don't know, 500 people, 300 people thatprobably got out there to do it out of
the 200,000 that were in attendance.
Uh, you wanna talk about humbling thing?
'cause you know, so we go in andas you start going down the line,
'cause you're at the tail end, thingsstart thinning out where people start

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stopping to talk all this stuff.
So, you know, you're not in such a crowd.
But I got all the way down andwas filming stuff that night.
Stopped, got separated, like wentout in the middle of the track up
front as far as I almost could go.
And I had to change my battery.
So I'm down on the ground allof a sudden, you know, I stand
up and I look at the crowd.
You wanna talk about holy shit momentbecause I mean, right there alone's gotta

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be about 80, 90,000 people standing thereand you know, they're looking at you
going, how's this jackass get down there?
It's very humbling tosee that crowd like that.
I mean, it's really puts things againinto perspective for what these guys see.
It's.
Unbelievable seeing that andseeing what the lineup was.
The cars talking to the guys.
'cause they started out, I think itwas Plateau four, I think it was.

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Yeah.
It's all like the cobrasand the GT forties.
Yeah.
All the stuff from the sixties.
Yeah.
That did the start.
They did the running Lamanstart, which was epic.
Yeah.
They did the actual one and it's like,I'm amazed at a couple of the guys
didn't fall over from heart attacks.
That guy in that Cobra lateelevens for quite a long time.
There was a some sketchy moments,some of those guys pulling out
going, Ooh, that's gonna beexpensive, but that one's cool too.

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Bringing that back.
They have done such an awesomejob putting that together and just
creating the experience and howand how you can partake in it.
Yes, granted some of the stuff's gonnabe a bit pricey, but you know, somehow
some way if you can do it, I highlyrecommend trying to get all these
experiences and especially when you buyyour ticket, don't go buy the base thing.
You gotta go buy the ones where you gotthe paddock access, everything like that.

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Become an ACL member.
You get even more stuff thatpays for itself tenfold.
I'm telling you rightnow, thousand percent.
It pays for itself tenfold.
But it was just, again, the experienceagain, you know, you see Lifetime,
it's gonna stick with lifetime.
But that's something that's gonnastick at the forefront of your mind
because it's just unbelievable.
And the racing too.
Yeah.
Seeing those cars in picture, seeingthem in a museum is one thing,
but seeing a nine 17, seeing anAudi R eight, seeing a Ferrari 3

(54:13):
33 SP a PEO 9 0 5 B at full tilt.
Yeah.
Lamont's Classic isn't a race,it's a freaking time machine.
Like it's taking you back to that eraof racing and suddenly you're like,
it's as if you were there for real.
And these guys aren't messing around.
It's like Goodwood when they dothe revival, not the Hill Climb,
which is the festival of speed.
Yeah.
They're going at it.
I mean, they're driving nine tenths.

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They're not messing around.
And it's like, you guysokay, you're going home.
First of all, I heard every driverpays like 10 grand or 40 grand or
whatever the heck it is, and they'regoing home with a plastic trophy, but
they're running the crap outta thesecars that are in some ways priceless.
Some of them are Ohyeah, one of one, right?
And you're just like, what?
Yeah.
You're talking, this is highstakes poker right here.
Seven Figure Cars, and some of 'emstarting with the five to eight.

(54:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's just.
And God bless 'em too.
And the cool thing is it's not likeyou're just hearing this engine just
blip the throttle and just sitting there.
I mean, you're hearing that thingcoming out, full chat going,
I mean it just singing unreal.
And it makes you sit there going,why are they getting away from this?
Yeah, you get it 'causeenvironment, this kind of stuff.
But I mean there's gotta besome way to bring that back.
'cause I mean it's, I wanna saymajority of the conversations where

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when you kind of hear other peopleeavesdrop and whatnot, everything
kept pointing out was about just how.
Glorious those things sounded.
Yeah, I mean just, oh, fantastic.
And for those just, Hey, I droppeda 20 minute video and all it
is is just all on track stuff.
I'm not even talking, it's justhearing the cars go so awesome.
Let them do the work.
'cause I mean, that'sall you need to hear.
And Tanya, they beat us too at, we'vejoked about this before, like on the

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rich people, thanks where, you know, weshould get the go-karts together that
look like the replica cars and go racing.
They do that at Lamont Classicwith the kids and it is.
Hilarious.
Yeah, the cars look good.
I mean, they're really cool.
Yeah, definitely got thecorner marketed on that too.
Some of them couldn't even make itup the hill in that first straight
'cause that is a hill that goes up.
It is.
It's deceptive.
It's steep.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean it's, you don'trealize how steep that is.
And it was ones that had two kidsin it, so I think they pushing
maximum weight limit on that.
But it's really cool to watch.
'cause I mean, God, theyhad to have close to 80.
There was so many, I mean theyhad to grid 'em up going way back.
I mean it was, it was really cool.
Yeah.
And they do qualifying for that too.
Yeah.
It's just hilarious.
Yeah, I mean they take that stuff serious.

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That was really cool.
See, 'cause it gets the kids involved,it gets them to doing something.
A little side story.
This is a point when I was kindawandering around myself and I
was walking past the one paddock.
Sure enough, as it's trying to come outoutta the paddock to go down to wherever
this lister Kny was sitting thererumbling away and they're trying to turn
right and you know, obviously, you know,these cars don't have any turn radius.
Behind it was the bread van.

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But these three kids and thoselittle carts were coming up.
There's a car parked and they're tryingto come, they stopped him right next
to that car and they told the guy andthe lister, Hey, alright, come out.
So the guy's doing a 10 point turn to tryand get around him side pipes right there.
Blast these little kidsright there at ear level.
This guy going by.
I'm like, just move those kids.
Get 'em outta the way.
Tell 'em to go.
I'm just watching this take place going.

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That kid's gonna be deaf now.
Yeah.
But seeing those things go like that, andagain, it was just those little things
that all of a sudden it's like, oh my god.
Elicit.
But then the bread van infamousof Bread Van Ferrari right there,
pulling out everything like that.
I mean, again, talk about valueof a car and everything like that.
And she's like, great deal.
Pulling on out, driving away.
That was so cool.
It was great because we talkedlast time I went to Lama two years

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ago, like how much walking Davidand I did and obviously mm-hmm.
You know, we're recountingthis, some of it for him because
he's gonna listen to this.
He's gonna get Yeah.
More jealous than he was when wewere texting him the whole time.
Yeah.
I was Florida.
Yeah, I was Florida.
Exactly.
So we went from Tetra Rouge to thefour Chicanes where the Ferris wheel
and the Porsche Experience Center is.
That's sort of like our areaoutside of the hot lap where we

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got to see the rest of the track.
That's where we walked.
I recalculated, we were just shy of 40miles of walking in those four days.
So that's not too long.
Well now that was you.
Yes.
By yes.
I had a few extra things in there becauseyeah, you're like a busy bee, so going
around, but two of the days, becauseI have some ailments in my body that
I reach maximum, I'm gonna go lay downbecause my body can't take anymore.

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Luckily, the tram goes outthere, but it's not close.
And found it the first day.
And it was funny enough 'cause I waswalking out and uh, Ty was walking there.
I ran his, so I walked with him to it andI walked down the one street right there.
He went past the K one cart.
It wasn't bad.
It was maybe a mile and ahalf at most, maybe a mile.
So jump on and go.
Well.
Next day kind of saying I gotta go.

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They decide to close thatstop for whatever reason.
That's the coast to the track.
They rock strike.
Yeah.
There's three other people.
There's two girls standing thereand then there's an Indian fellow
standing there and we're sittingwaiting at time's up there.
I don't read French.
I have no clue.
They just goes right past us.
Then guy's talking and we goingbasically, I could tell what he's saying.
He is like, what the hell?
I could make out that andlook it up and think whatnot.

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And he points down.
So I go, I guess this one's closed.
We gotta go to the next one.
So I'm hustling down the streetto the next stop because I don't
wanna get passed again by the train.
It was nice.
'cause the fact is where we werestaying, it basically dropped you
off right at where we were at.
So, which was great.
Didn't have do much walking out,but it was a hike just to get
to that tram to take it back.
And I don't, I never paid, I think,to buy the ticket I just hopped on.

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And if someone asked, I figured out.
It's sort of like the Sonoma thing.
You apologize now, nexttime you'll pay, right?
Yeah.
Well they, but I didn't feelbad because Wither's wife,
Simone, she's the same thing.
She just gets on and she goes,if someone asked, then I'll pay.
Okay.
I'm not the only one.
So they asked, asks goodit it's a lot of walking.
We did a lot of walking.
We did a lot of walking.
Even when we got back, 'cause wewalked everywhere even to go to dinner

(59:37):
and we finally found what like thehot spots are for the restaurants
and that was at Republic Square orwhatever they call it, downtown Lamont.
We finally found some good places to eat.
We had dinner with somefolks, so that was all good.
We did a lot of car spottingwhile we were roaming around.
Yeah, that was neat.
All sorts of weird stuffthat was out there.
Like the sunburst 3 0 8 and you know, someof the other stuff that's just randomly
parked like here and there and everywhere.

(59:58):
I mean there's cars from allover, from Switzerland, from
Italy, from France, from Jersey.
People are coming in.
Obviously 200,000 peoplecoming in for this event.
So you got cars all over the placeand you start to recognize, oh those
guys are at our hotel and they've gotthe triumph and you know, that's the
guy with the three 30 Ferrari thatwas driving downtown or whatever.
Yeah, I gotta do my hot car picks.
I came in with two cars, Iwould've taken home from France
Street cars are on the track.

(01:00:19):
No, no street cars.
Like I would take these cars home with me.
They are a little bit more modern.
So here, here are my hot picks for cars.
I would take home from France.
I already know which one is I?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The first one is thatEO 5 0 8 Sport Wagon.
Remember that one?
The really wide low?
That thing was cool.
Super aggressive.
It looks kind of like a Audi RS six.

(01:00:39):
That was hot.
Yeah, that was sweet.
Yeah.
That's my number one pick.
Yeah, that thing was killer, followedby the hotness of all hotness.
That Alpine A one 10 R al team?
Yeah, or whatever theypronounce that dude.
That's what I would take too.
I agree with you on that thousand,that thing was gorgeous that that car's
gotta come here somehow, some way.
I mean that thing was phenomenalat that level, that old team level.

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I mean that's basicallya GT three specked car.
I mean it's all gutted out andcaged and there's carbon fiber every
time you turn around on that thing.
I mean, the only thing, it doesn'thave sort of like the alpha male four
C 'cause of the tub and everything.
It doesn't have a manual transmission.
No.
So it It's all computerized flappy paddle.
But you know what?
Because of all the other cool stuff itcomes with, I'm totally okay with it.

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Oh yeah, I agree with you on that.
I mean, Matt, fair Smoking Tirechannel, they got their hands on
one, some has it here for a year.
I know it was show display or something,but did what he had to do and they
made the same exact comment in saying,you know what, you know you can't get
AEM manager, but the way the gearbox,everything works, you don't miss it.
Yeah.
You know, it just.
Unbelievable.
But the other car I would've takenthis F told TDF that was there.
Oh yeah, that'd been the other one.

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But again, they were just parked up inthe parking lot where we were parked,
you know, underneath the car yet.
But it just tells you the level ofcars that were just out and about.
I think that's one of thecool things about over there.
Granted for us, it's driving for me,like Ohio to Indiana, to Michigan,
whatever that, but you know, they'redriving from France to Italy, you
know, for UK and stuff like that.
They take their cars and drive 'em onthese road trips, which is awesome to see.

(01:02:07):
It's a lot more prevalent overthere than it is over here.
I think it's really cool to see.
But that's a cool thing goingover there, just seeing the
stuff that we can't get here.
Stuff you can drool over, man.
We should have that.
And just, and, and not just thenewer stuff, the older stuff as well.
I mean, just stuff that like you knowabout, you've read about, especially
like the hot hatches and stuff like that.
It's like, man, thesethings are just so cool.
I will say the one cool thing if yougo there, when you go to the square

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area, when you figure out where thesquare's at, there is the coolest
merry-go-round I've ever seen Two stories.
Unbelievably beautiful.
Really cool.
Especially if you'vegot kids or little kids.
I mean, is that the one nextto the Kentucky Fried Chicken?
Yeah, it's right next tothe Kentucky Fried Chicken.
You can't miss it.
It adds a little ambiance.
You can smell the wave of thefried chicken made no sense.

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So bizarre.
Yeah, and they got the drive throughwindow that nobody can drive up to.
You walk up to the drive to it.
So bizarre.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a lot of contrasting things.
'cause you know, you're walking incobblestones, you have this beautiful
old square and then all of a suddenthere's Kentucky Fried Chicken.
It was so bizarre.
And, and that's the one thing,France food was super eclectic.
I know if Brad was here with us, he'dbe wanting to know about the food.

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Lots of Persian stuff and Indian andcurries and like there was a good blend.
It wasn't like the typical like,oh my God, we're gonna eat escargo.
Or you know, something like that.
It would, there was a reallyinteresting mix of cuisine in France,
so I wasn't disappointed with that.
I don't know that we had a bad meal.
Well, once we got found to aplace that would serve Americans.
Yeah.
It wasn't bad at all.
Well, there was that problem too.

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Yeah.
You don't have a reservation.
We'll let 20 other people in becauseyou don't have a reservation.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Whatever.
As we said, you got French.
Oh, that other place is better anyway.
Yeah, well it turned out andyou're eating three courses.
God, and they look at you very strangely.
If you don't eat one of the courses,they're like, look at you like you
have a third head or something.
Because man, you gotta have your app, yourMaine, your dessert everyth like that.

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So it's like starve yourselfa little bit to the day.
'cause you will a hundred percent.
We had this discussion over there too.
It's how they're making money because it'snot like here, the states where they're
turning tables, turning tables like, Hey,we need four turns to this dinner service.
They're basic.
Like one turn.
I mean that's just you.
That's it.
Then they're done.
They close up shop, they go home.
Bizarre.
It's unbelievable.
It's all baffling, but tweak their own.
So God bless 'em.
My number one top tip, if you go toLama now that I've actually had to drive

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there and do that part of it, 'cause Ididn't have to do that the first time.
I would say the expo parking outsideof the main gate across the museum,
right by the T 22 Tribunes and allthat stuff, which isn't far from the
A CO Tribune and the Porsche box andthe Club de Piot and all that stuff.
That is choice.
Like that is prime parking.
It was quarter full.

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Yeah.
It cost me 40 bucks topark there for four days.
Undercover too.
That's other nice.
They have the solar panels everywhere.
So I'm like, top tip, if you can buyexpo parking, doesn't matter what event
you're there for, buy those parking passesbecause it's a short walk to everything.
That's the best spot to park, period.
Five minute walk to thatmain gate right there.

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Done.
I mean museums, right?
Yeah.
I mean 40 bucks.
That's the deal.
That's make a note of thatbecause that was perfect.
So let's talk about our return trip.
We kind of alluded to this earlier on theway out to Lamont, it was sort of like,
eh, typical traffic, blah, blah blah.
Nothing really to write home about theway back though, because it was Sunday.
Now remember back into our earlierdiscussion regarding gas mileage.

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Go ahead.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, we're gonna, Tanyawants to know about this.
So they filled the car for me at Daal.
We drove all the way to Lama.
We run around, we get lost, we missan exit or two a couple of times.
That one we backtracked like20 minutes lost all that time.
So anyway, on our way back to the airportto Paris, we are rained out of the race.
Like they red flagged a bunchof the plateaus, the sessions,

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whatever you wanna call them.
So we hung out at the Club de Palat,and then you finally were like,
man, let's get the hell outta here.
Let's just beat the traffic of anybodyleaving the track, and let's get out
of the area and head back to Paris.
What did we have, like maybe half a tankleft or something like that on this.
Little three cylinder corn popper.
It was below half.
Yeah, I mean, it was right there,but I was like, uh, if I do
the math, it's this far away.

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We should be okay.
It's mostly highway.
It should have been fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Should have been key work.
So I prepaid the fuel and I waslike, I'm not spending any money
on this car if I don't have to.
We're doing okay until we basicallyget to the edge of what I call
Dante's nine circles of hell, whichis all those circles of Paris.
And we have to cut across Paris toget to De Gaul because it's on the

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north eastern corner or whatever.
So you gotta go through all thismess to get there, and the traffic's
getting worse and the rain's coming.
And it's just like thelast time I drove in Paris.
And the drivers are super aggressivecutting people off, and the trucks
just get over when they feel like it.
And you're quietly sitting there and I'mlike, gnashing my teeth the entire time.
Well, I had a pee real bad.
There was that too.

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And I'm like, we're not gonna make it.
No, we're not gonna make, and then itwas like the mileage was just plummeting.
And I'm like, we're gonna have to stop.
There's nowhere to stop.
There's nowhere to get off.
There's no fuel.
Even the GP PS says there's no gas around.
And then the car starts making weird.
Bing, bing, bing.
You're like, what was that?
Ignore it.
Making some big noises nowlike, okay, go a little further.

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Bing, bing, bing.
And then a little light turns on.
But one point it shot backup like, oh look, it did.
And the mileage, because we startedmoving it, so it was like, oh,
we're, we're in the home stretch.
We're clear.
And then the traffic doubleddown on us and it got worse.
And then more lights startedturning on the dashboard.
So I kid you not Tonya, we get to desal.
Dugal is massive.
I mean it's its own city andyou're driving around and we're

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trying to get to the rental place.
And so again, they love their roundabouts.
It's like circling a toilet bowl to getto the rental car place and terminal too.
So you gotta go all the way andgo here and go there and this
and that and the other thing.
And we finally get there and it'sall these lights are on the dash.
I don't know if you saw'em or not, William.
Oh.
But I've told them, I said We aregonna coast in, there's nothing left.
So we get in there and I just, Iput it in neutral and we roll in.

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According to the gauge, therewas 10 miles left in the tank.
Yeah.
Which I don't know was thetruth because it was on zero.
It was red.
It was like that top gear episode wherethey sealed the gas tank and they kept
driving and kept driving and they'relike, when is it gonna run outta fuel?
I think it was whatever wascirculating in the fuel rail,
it's what we were running on.
Yeah.
'cause there there was nothing left.
Good luck getting that to thestation of, fill it back up by.

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That's gonna be one ofthe fucking Americans.
Hope they had a Jerry cansomewhere with some gas.
'cause that wasn't makingit to the gas station.
We got every penny out of that gas tank.
The three cylinder turbo, all 75horsepower got us to Lamont back on fumes.
That's the only impressive partabout that car was that Otherwise
it was wholly unimpressive.
Yeah.
Ugh.

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I will say that the hotel, theHilton, whatever's right there.
Yeah, stay there.
And another little tidbit, if you'recoming back out and you got a flat
stay at the Hilton, that's right therebecause you can get up in the morning,
just walk right over to the airport.
You roll out of bed andyou're at your terminal.
It's like done.
Super easy.
Nice hotel too.
Good food restaurant's.
Really good.
Another recommendation for you guys,stay there 'cause it was awesome.
So shout out again DavidMilton, we miss you next time.

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We are gonna shame you into going with us.
So your trip ended, you went home.
Other things going on?
I continued the voyage and I metup with my family in Italy and my
sister and my mom were already there.
This is where Tanya picks up thestory 'cause we're gonna talk
about driving adventures in Italy.

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Tanya, you got there like a coupledays before he went over, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It's been a while sinceI've driven in Italy.
So I have these not necessarily romanticfantasies about what it's like driving
in Italy, but I began to realize about 20minutes in to picking up the car at Maza.
That driving in Italy has changed a lot.

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Remember I was telling you in thecar, oh, just, you know, the French,
they're aggressive, but when youget to Italy, it's like they're
off the chain, they're unleashed.
Everything's like a Grand Prix.
And that might be true in Naplesfrom what I understand, but the
rest of Italy is, I don't know.
'cause I guess you hadn'tdriven there in a hundred years.
'cause the only thing I found differentwas I felt like there was more people

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taking too long to leave the leftlane right to camp for passing.
But otherwise.
In the types of roads I would drive on.
It wasn't like Autobahn inGermany, people were always normal.
Is that because of the cameras andthe systems that they use over there?
The cameras have always been there.
I'm like, what was it that youdrove that they didn't exist?
They were there when I drove 10 years ago.

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Right.
I mean, the tele camera system tutoror whatever they call it that they have
over there has been around a while, butnow it feels like it's every 10 feet.
So there's two different systems.
Okay.
The Tudor system on the large highways,and it's only on the big alto stratas,
which is like our equivalent of 95 upand down the East coast or whatever.

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The Tudor system is an averagespeed camera, so it's actually
not a point specific speed camera.
So when you cross it the firsttime, couple miles later.
You cross it again and it's supposedto calculate your average speed in
that, cross the two, and then giveyou a ticket if you exceeded whatever
the hell the average limit is.
I'm so screwed

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because they're trying to not havesomebody slam on the brakes two
seconds before the speed camera andthen do a million miles an hour and
then slam on the brakes again, right?
So if you kept an averagespeed, you're fine.
Then they have the auto veloc systemeverywhere else, like in America
where you have stationary camerasthat are on the side of the road
in various shapes, forms and sizes.

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Those are taking in point specificreading, but unlike hours which only
work in the direction that the cameraspointed, apparently some of those doesn't
matter which side of the road you're on,it can catch you in either direction.
I'm so screwed.
So if you thought you were safe,'cause the camera's on the other side
of the road so I can just keep going.
Ooh, might not be the case.

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I've never gotten, knock on wood, I don'tthink I've ever gotten a speed ticket.
I got a weird parking violationticket one time, not even parking.
It was apparently I drove down a streetthat it was in the two hour window of
which you should not have been drivingdown the street, and I literally went
like three cars deep on this street.

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U turned because I realized it wasn'teven the street I needed to be on.
U turned left and then six monthslater got this ticket about how
like I was on an uh, unauthorized.
Street or something.
I'm like, whatever.
How do you pay that?
Hey man, it's modern times.
Just go online and pay it.
They hunt you down.
Don't, you should seeyours about December.

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That'll be my Christmasgift from Enterprise.
Yeah.
Basically they'll Merry Christmas,they'll send it to them and
then they'll forward it along.
I mean, hopefully not, they'rereally hard because the speed limits
tend to fluctuate like a a lot.
Wildly, wildly.
Like suddenly you're like, oh,well first of all, you don't
know what the speed limit is.
Like I think I drove for half anhour at one point and I was like, I

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haven't seen the speed limit sign.
I don't know how.
And I'm like passingunder the tutor thing.
I'm like, I don't know howfast I should be going.
But I was feeling rest assuredby the quote locals who
aren't slowing down at all.
So I'm like, well, if I'm not goingany faster than all these other people
that are blowing by every form ofcamera, I guess hopefully I'm okay.

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Could you really go thatfast in your rental car?
I mean, what'd you have?
I had a Citroen C3 Air Cross.
Compact.
SUV.
It was slightly larger than whatI was supposed to have gotten.
I should have gotten probablysomething the size of a golf.
However, when I booked the reservationthat I made, you had to set the time
you were picking it up and in the US youset a time and it really doesn't matter.

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It's Yeah, like an indicationof when they start billing you.
Right.
But apparently in Europe, in Italy, whenyou show up at the rental counter and it's
1115 and you said you were picking up atnoon, they go, we don't have your car yet.
You reserve a car.
Okay, we have a problem.
Your car is not available.
We can do a bicycle.

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Okay.
Or a 7 47.
She got French in Italy.
We can upgrade you for 10 extraeuros a day if you don't wanna wait.
And I'm like, okay, I've already been up.
I left America, I didn'tsleep on the plane.
I really wanna stand here for 45 minutes.
I can offer a discount.

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It is a special discountbecause it is a discount of.
Uh, more money you need to pay.
Screw it.
I'll pay 10 extra dollars.
So I don't know what I should have gottenor what I would've gotten, but this is,
I got this Citroen compact SUV thing.
It's okay because I landedat the same airport as you
and they didn't have any golfsanywhere, so we got the upgrade as well.

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So I ended up with a Nissan Qua.
Oh geez.
Yeah.
Oh.
How you pronounce that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Qua don't know why theycall it that in America.
That would be the equivalentto the rogue, more or less.
It's in that size range.
It's a Renault like anything else.
How many horsepowers did you have, Tanya?
I think it only had like ahundred or something, I think.

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I think.
I think that's what Isaw when I looked it up.
It wasn't a lot.
I had 158.
Yeah.
Woo.
Race car.
Chasing her in the mountainswas like, no problem.
And Jess was like, you need to back off.
'cause I think she's got it floored.
So driving in Italy to Tanya'spoint, it's not like the old days.
That's what I noticed.
They do drive slower.

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Although they were making fun whenI was talking to some of the locals,
like you were talking to some ofthe locals, they were like, don't
you guys drive fast in America?
I'm like, no.
National speed limit is 65 miles an hour.
Which is like what, one 10?
They're all doing 80 on the highway.
Yeah.
The speed limit there is basically80 on the The large highway.
Yeah.
Kilometers or miles per hour.
There's 130 kilometers an hour, whichis more or less 80 miles an hour.

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Yeah.
Which our speed limit is 65 milesan hour and everybody's doing 90.
So we do drive fast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't drive asaggressive as they used to.
That's for sure.
The one thing I did notice is France.
Didn't have nearly asmany trucks as Italy did.
The right lane in Italy is truckafter truck, after semi after semi.

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And they're all limited to like they cando 65 miles an hour, like tops 55 miles.
I mean, they're really slow sothey stay in the right lane.
But the problem is usually on theraa it's three lanes, sometimes
four, but it's three lanes.
Generally they'll get over.
And then you got this slow muletrain of semis trying to pass
another slow mule train of semis.

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And so now you're down to the left laneand then everybody tries to shift over.
And then you got some 87-year-old guyin a Fiat 600 that can't get out of its
own way and he's just parked in the leftlane and it's like, what are we doing?
I did flash my lights at some people, itworked at the left lane and it worked.
They moved over, dude, I came up onsomebody 'cause I was trying to clear

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some traffic and we were booking, soI flashed the lights at this dude in a
Mercedes suddenly just boom outta the way.
Goodbye parted this red sea.
And I was through and I backed off andthen I got over 'cause I was like, I felt
bad 'cause I was holding somebody up.
I saw like a Porsche comingand I'm like, I gotta get here.
I gotta get outta the way.
I'm already in the left laneso I gotta dump it and go.
But yeah, it was like flashlights.

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That still works.
I was happy about that.
Maybe they drive a little bitslower now, blah, blah, blah.
But they still respect, maybe there'sa lot of tractor trailers on the road.
I don't know.
I didn't think it was anymore than I've seen before.
But they still respect the rulesof the road for the most part.
Yeah.
You get this ass wipe that I'mlike, am I in America right now?
Like why are you in the left lane?
But they will get over onthe above average scale.

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Everybody gets over,they get out of the way.
They don't just sit there doingstupid stuff in the left lane,
but they don't know how to merge.
I realized they don't know how to merge.
Every traffic jam we ended up in wasbecause they were closing a lane.
It was like, you guyshave forgotten the zipper.
Like that used to be the thing.
I didn't have any of those experiences.
We did, and it was horrendous.

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Every time there was a trafficbackup, what I experienced, which
I could not understand 'causewe did hit traffic at one point.
It was the most bizarre thing.
I couldn't understand.
There were no ramps and we were dead.
Stop not moving.
And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be fun.
We're gonna be here for a while.
Not moving, not moving, not moving.
And then we'd move a littlebit, not moving, not moving.

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Move a little bit and thensuddenly you're doing 80 again.
It was like a green light and all ofa sudden we were moving and we were
flowing, and then we'd stop again.
But then like five minuteslater, suddenly we stopped again.
And I'm like, but there was noramp, there was no shoulder.
Why were we stopped?
I couldn't understand it.
Yeah.
We had that problem too, this weirdflow that I've never seen before.
Despite the fact that the GPS that I wasused in France got us lost a whole bunch

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for whatever reason in Italy, it wasactually a godsend because it would tell
me what the speed limit was, despite thefact that it was rapidly changing and it
identified where the speed cameras were.
Yeah.
And on which side of the road it was on.
So that was awesome.
So that's why I jokingly, I probablygot away with quite a bit because
the GPS told us where everything was.
So that was pretty awesome.

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So where it failed me in France.
It worked out really,really well in Italy.
So no problems there.
The other thing I noticed aboutItaly, despite all the big trucks on
the road, is the amount of trucks.
I put air quotes rather, that peopleare driving now in Italy, there
are more SUVs per capita in Italythan there's ever been before.
Like, I mean, grantedI'm in an SUV myself.
I mean, that is not a fact check number.

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I'm telling you.
It was like nine out of 10 were SUVs.
There's always the Fiat 500 andthe golf and all the little cars.
But it was like I was constantlysurrounded by, if it wasn't the
Nissan, it was a EO or it was uh,you know, the Mercedes SU BMWs,
I felt like I was in America.
I was like, your roads and your townsweren't built for these size vehicles.

(01:19:41):
Like when did you supersize,when did you get the Big Mac,
you know, of cars in Italy.
It just doesn't make sense.
Well, did they force it down theirthroats with cross platform, you know,
uh, manufacturing, all that stuff.
You have to buy these now.
Well, they might've, becauseyou know, the other thing is.
There's not a lot of old cars on the road.
There's always the guywith the fiat multiple.

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There's always somebody withthe Chiquito, you know, from the
nineties or something like that.
But they're fewer and far between becauseI think the way I understand it is
Italy heavily taxes, keeping old cars.
And so people are constantlysort of getting new stuff.
If you looked around, it was all withinthe last five years, it was all really,
really new cars, the way they drive.

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So transmission mechanicsmust make a lot of money.
Right.
Especially the older people whenyou see them a little bit sometimes,
and it's just like, Ooh, my thoughtwas in France, body shop, my
heart hurts for this transmission.
The clutch is alone, right?
I mean, you're just like, man, ugh.
You can't find it.
Grind it.
But you bring up a really valid point'cause William and I noted that in

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France it was like nine out of every10 cars, maybe eight out of every
10 cars was still a stick shift,unless it was super new or a hybrid
where they don't come with manuals.
But Italy the same.
There was a surprising number ofcars you're like, I didn't know
that was offered in a manual.
Like those Jeeps that we saw, likeall of them were stick shift like
the Cherokee and not in gear whenparked always with the hand brakes.

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That was weird about France.
Like they don't leave them in gear.
None of them.
No.
That's even a thing.
I think that's sort of a universalthing they recommend not doing.
Why?
I mean, I've heard that even here, youshould never leave your car in gear.
It's bad.
Yeah.
It's easier to stealit if it's not in gear.
Yeah, I totally, but yeah, I don't know.
Like I've never had a transmission promiseas a result of leaving it parked in gear.

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So I don't know what badthing I've been doing.
Yeah.
I trust leaving my transmissionin gear, then relying on my
handbrake to hold the car.
You know what I mean?
Seeing some of these hand brakes oncars, that's not the most beefiest brake.
And I accidentally the other day went topull my handbrake and weld the cables.
Came off again.
So that's, guess I'm leaving it in gear

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to William's Point about Franceand seeing some cool cars.
Well, what I didn't see a lotof, which I was surprised, I
hardly saw any alphas in Italy.
Yes.
Yes.
And normally there's tons.
I think I saw two, there were not many.
There were some Stelvio'severy now and again.
But that was pretty muchit, the what we saw.
But to your point, William wassaying earlier, cool cars that we

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saw on the roads, there's a lot ofstuff that isn't cool that you've
seen in pictures and magazines.
You're like, yeah.
But I will say there's still alot of VWs in Italy, which is
totally cool and totally fine.
But you know, we talked a lot on previousdrive-throughs about like the ID two,
the ID three, and you know, oh, that'dbe kind of cool if they brought it here.
Now that I've seen them inperson, you can keep all of 'em.
They look horrendous.

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They actually photograph better thanthey look in person, which is odd
because usually cars don't photographas well as they look in person.
But these new VWs are just,ugh, I don't like 'em.
They're getting out there in regardsto styling and how, what they're doing.
And it's almost like they don't doany type of focus group or let's do
something or let's just go out into thepublic and talk to people in general.
Get a consensus or get a little feedback.

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But it sounds like, nope,this is what we're doing.
So I will say there was an IDbuzz on the highway that's massive
next to the things it was next to.
At that time it did not look massive.
Um, 'cause to your point, it wassurrounded by a bunch of tractor trailers,
but it was like a worker van of some sort.
So it was white, but they had paneledout the back glass and the side glass.

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You only had glass at the front doors.
It looked really cool actually.
It didn't seem like it was like,see-through that, it was just like white,
but the driver maybe could still see out.
It seemed more like how sometimeswe have those worker vans where
they've closed off all the windows.
It was like all white.
The taillights were like blacked outand all this stuff, so maybe it wasn't a
worker van, but um, it looked really good.

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That trim.
See the car.
I like the car I would take home,the car I would buy if I was in
Italy was the Fiat Tepo wagon.
I actually really liked that.
It was reminiscent of older VWs.
It had a very German look to it.
At first I was like, what is that?
And then I was like, that's a fiat no way.
I really liked the look of that.
I just saw the sedan version, butI think the wagon, something about

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the long roof, it just looks better.
So that was my pick.
You know, nothing to write home about inthe performance department, but if you're
looking for a family wagon with a manualtransmission, like yeah, that's not bad.
Looking at all outside of that, my numberone pick for Italy was the Alpha 1 47
GTA that we saw at Lamont's Classic.
So that thing was awesome.
Yeah, that day was nice.
Let's talk a little bit more about ourrental cars and driving in the mountains.

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How was that with your allegeda hundred horsepower and my
legendary three spoke steeringwheel, three spoke steering wheel.
So where I was staying, I had a 20 minuteride up the mountain to get to where I
was in a 20 minute ride down the mountain.
She says ride, she means rally stage.
Yes.
I mean, it's hairpins andlefts and turns and all that.

(01:24:38):
Is this the roads you were explaining tome, Eric, when you're talking about when
you were younger going there and Yes.
Yes.
Following the car Uhhuh?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
It hasn't changed.
It's more paved now than it used to be.
That's the only difference.
Except for the spots.
It's not.
Well, it's like PikesPeak used to be gravel.
I was pavement, so I I going up themountain, I had to do a lot of shifting.

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You don't say a lotdownshifting constantly.
I'd say downshift.
Yeah.
Only one direction down.
It won't go any lower,
but you know, like honestly, thecar wasn't anything, you know what,
it got me where I needed to go.
It took the bumps, it tookeverything like a champ.
You were rowing the boat.

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If you needed to get aroundsomebody, you had to plan it.
Be strategic.
You're constantly down shiftingto, to get the curves and go
up the hills on the mountain.
You were riding with your mom, right?
Uhhuh and a lot of this.
How was she as a passenger?
Did she critique?
Is she quiet?
She didn't say anything.
The only time she got nervouswas there are, so we, we ended up

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crossing through the mountains.
We took sort of a back wayto go visit some family.
There were certain parts that gotextremely tight, like I can only fit,
I hope nobody's coming and there'sa hairpin turn and I can't see and
we're gonna have a head on collision.
Then she was getting nervous, butotherwise she didn't really say much as
long as there was kind of room for two.
Let's fast forward to us going lead followdown the mountain, us behind Tanya and

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what was my wife saying the whole time?
So I don't know if you realized,because again we came back through
on part of a section where there wasa lot of more turns that were tended
to be blind and some corners that gotnarrow and like cliffs on one side.
So, and I was in the front and Idon't know if you noticed, I wasn't
just driving like an ass, but as soonas I could see nobody was coming,

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I would cut onto the other side.
Yes.
Be like signaling, you cantake the turn however you want.
Nobody's coming.
Yeah, yeah.
I've taken the opposite side of the road.
No, no, no.
I picked up that, that, so Iwant, I wanted to ask you because
we didn't talk about it thenfiguring we talk about it now.
I don't think we were driving overlyaggressive whether we were coming
down from the castle or we weregoing up, whatever we were doing.

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I don't think we were really pushingthe cars because I think both of us
agreed that they were giant pieces ofcrap and they weren't going to give
us very much, even if we wanted it.
I would like to think wewere pretty well behaved.
Other people might have.
So I, so going up the mountain.
I had people that would pullover and let me go right there.

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So it's obvious.
They can tell that's,oh, that's an American.
They're like, that's Tio right there.
Just, they gotta tell that I was goingto go at a little bit faster clip,
like they were going, some peoplewere going like, painfully slow.
I'm like, dude.
Seriously.
I know I'm a gutless wonder,but we can go faster than this.
According to Eric, he says thateveryone has to stop at every house.

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Someone's car's in the driveways,they gotta stop and chat.
Hundred percent.
We got stuck behind a tractor.
I was making a joke.
I said, somewhere up here,we're gonna get stuck behind a
tractor whip around the corner.
Boom, tractor got stuck by him.
I got stuck twice behind thefinal destination Tractors.
Ah.
Or trailers with like these wood piles.
And it wasn't like finaldestination with the big long beams.

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No, this was, they had chopped it upin the nice little pieces and then
somehow, as we had plenty of time towatch this and I'm sitting and going,
my God, don't let a piece come offbounce and come through the windshield
because I don't wanna pay for this.
They had somehow strategically stackedall these in this beautiful stack that
like mounded, like a pyramid up outof the back of the, of the tractor
trailer, nothing securing anything down.

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I'm like, how the hellare these pieces of wood?
Just, they weren't tied down.
No gravity.
Gravity holding.
No, they were just sittingthere magically not, and I was,
and I was like hyperfocused.
I was just staring at the woodwaiting for one to wobble.
You were on a hill too.
I was far back and not a single one move.
I was like, okay.
The tree sap was holding them together.

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That's what was going on there.
Back to your passengers.
Okay, so I gotta put this in reference.
We've talked about this before.
The roads over there are narrow, you know,you talk about mountain roads in the us
you're gonna drive up into the Rockies orthe Appalachians or something like that.
It's a two lane road.
Like you drive tail of the dragon.
It's a two lane road.
Yeah.
You go to Italy, you cut that in half,and then in some places you cut it.

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And half again.
So you're driving on a one lane roadbasically at one point, I'm following you.
I think it was when we were going downthe mountain to go to that pizza place
or whatever, which by the way, my kidsgot totally sick of pasta pizza pane,
which is bread and prosciutto by theend of it, they don't wanna, they don't
wanna hear, eat, or see any of it.
At this point.
It's gonna be a while, but, so anyway,we go to this pizzeria and I'm following

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Tanya down and I'm doing everythingI can to like not be on top of her.
As you probably noticed.
I'm literally riding thebrakes and my wife's like, why
are you being so aggressive?
And I'm like, I'm not.
I was just going.
Normal for my car.
Literally the weight of this behemothis pulling it down the mountain.
Like I'm just doing everything I canto just maintain any sort of distance.

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And I wasn't going.
I had gone down faster on othertrips with just me and mom
and not anything super fast.
But I definitely driven faster than that.
But here's the deal, you got a bigheavy car with teeny little breaks.
Yeah.
Coming down a mountain, you knowwhat you're gonna do If you ride 'em
all the way down, you're not gonnahave any by the time you're done.
So you gotta play this game of, Igotta take this corner, I gotta scrub

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off some speed, I gotta let it kindof just do its thing or, or whatever.
And the roads are not smooth.
They're not bumpy, but they're literallylike if there was a boulder, they paved
over the boulder and now that is, it'slike a, a mogul when you're skiing, right?
So it's just part of thelandscape of the road.
So the whole car is likejostling as you're coming down.
And it's like being in Baja, right?
My girls are used to takingoff ramp, whatever it is, you

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know, they don't really care.
But 200 turns later down the mountain,'cause that's what it ends up being,
they're turning green in the back.
And even my wife is like, Jesus, isthis roller coaster ever going to end?
Because you know, it's been a long timeand we'd only gone up and down that
road one time 10 years ago, her and I.
So she's forgotten what it's like.
And I'm like, for me, I'm like, oh.
Paradise, right?

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This is autocross, there's heaven.
But it was just everything I coulddo to keep people from getting
the barf bags out in the car.
But again, I didn't think wewere driving that hard, you know?
Anyway, the Nissan, that one stretchof highway that we did, or that
section there, that's from like Bartosback to the mountains or whatever.
I got around that one guy.
I lost you.
It was like, I could tell we bothpulled out and I had the torque.

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I was gone.
It was, yeah, I wasunprepared to make a pass.
I was like, oh, I gotdouble the horsepower.
I'll see you later.
That being said, somewhere alongthe trip though, in our quash qua
legendary Nissan product related tothe R 32, in some way or another, we
picked up a rock on the windshield.
Oh, oh, yeah.

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And it continued to grow.
It continued to get worse.
I mean, we broke the windshield.
I mean, it wasn't my fault.
It came from something.
So during the trip, the midwaypoint, we were somewhere in Sienna.
My wife finds.
Loctite super glue.
So we glued the windshield totry to keep it from cracking.
And the only time it did it it,you remember when we were all there
together, Tanya, I told you thewindshield was busted or whatever.

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So it stopped.
The only other time it expandedwas when the car sat in direct sun
and then suddenly like it just keptcracking and then we would glue
it some more and it would stop andwe'd try to park it in the shade.
But even going down the mountain, allthat stuff, I was figuring, man, it's
gonna twist because this thing is aflexible flyer and it's just gonna break
the windshield the rest of the way.
But it didn't do anything.
I mean the super glue held up I guess.

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So we'll see if Enterprisesends me a bill.
I did buy the insurance,so I think we're okay man.
I was so went, we drove downto CNA and for me that was
a three hour one way drive.
It was 30 minutes.
So this is like the midpoint ofthe trip almost for me, I guess.
So I've already had the car forfive days or something, 30 minutes

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from arriving at the destination.
I notice all the sudden likethere's a little light on in
the dashboard and it's this.
Orange wrench, symbol.
And I was like, I don't know theF. That means that can't be good.
I'm like, well, I'mnot gonna say anything.
Just gonna keep going.
Just gonna keep going.
Well, all this talk now goingon in regards about rental cars.

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You're saying about gettinga bill, is it Hertz?
They're installing those AI scanners now.
That's who I rented with.
Yeah.
People are getting clipped big time.
They're creating a lot of headaches.
Speaking of that, 'cause I didrent with Hertz and my orange.
I looked it up on the wonderful interweb,so the orange wrench symbol, which I was
hoping can't be the check engine light.
This must be like a servicesymbol and, and according to the

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internets, that's what it was.
I guess it was due for an oil changeand they didn't say anything to me,
anything to me when I returned it.
You exceeded the maximum numberof shifts in a particular period.
Transmission fluid needs flushing.
No, so when I picked it up from therental, I did the walk around and
all that stuff and then did littlebullshit piece of paper they gave

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me with some chicken scratch on it.
Like I couldn't tell.
The car actually had like a big scrapeon the front bumper and then it had
a couple other nicks here and there.
And I'm like, well I couldn'ttell that they had it marked, it
took me like 45 minutes to get thefreaking car out of the parking lot
and get all the, anyway, whatever.
To your point, it's not quite the AIthat does it to themselves, but, and
they're like, oh, well we emailedyou all the pictures of the car.

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I'm like, oh shit.
Did you, okay, lemme look at that.
So they have the little scanner thingand they go and it goes and it's
like this little price checker thingand they take like a photo of it.
And so then they upload all thephotos and then they mark it on the
paper and then they give it to youwhen you pick up the car or whatever.
So you have that record.
If you found something else,they could add it to that.
So they give you allthe photo documentation.

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Oh, that's from the start.
And then when I returned it, I purposely,I, I was like, I'm returning the
car and you know, the light came onthe wrench symbol, I think it's the
maintenance for the oil or whatever.
And he is like, okay, that's fine.
He's like, do you wantme to email the receipt?
I was like, do you wanna check the card?
I, I can, do you wanna wait?
I'm like, yeah, I'll wait.
So then he got his little scanneraround and he starts walking around it.

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And I made a big deal before Ileft because based on the scratches
they had indicated on the car.
They were like little things.
I was like, well, here's a littlescratch and you didn't write it down.
And I like made the guy come out and Iwas like, well, there's this and this.
And he's like, well, these are too small.
We're not gonna count 'em.
It's fine.
So he didn't record 'em.
I'm like, okay.
So then when I returned it, sameguy sitting there walking around

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the car and he's like, oh geez.
Literally doing stuff on something.
I'm like, there's nothing there.
What?
There's like dirt on the car.
I'm like sitting here going, man,are you gonna find these same
scratches I pointed out to youbefore that you didn't record down.
He's got a little scanner thing.
Do you know how many timeshe's charged people for the
scratches on that citra one?
That's the racket of all the carrental agencies, but the bigger

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racket outside of the us I think so.
At the end of the day,they marked it all off.
It was all good.
Nothing was wrong with it.
I'd returned it completelyfull, blah, blah, blah.
Everything was fine.
So paid the bill, got the receipt.
Hopefully you shouldn't receiveany notification from them.
That is the most frustrating thingoutside of the United States to rent a car
because they don't hold us strapped likethey do in Europe, in the United States.

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It's very clear.
They're like, oh, if it's smallerthan a quarter, we don't care.
Don't about it.
No big deal.
Don't worry.
But it's much more loose.
But over there it's like, oh, there'slike an eyelash length scratch there.
I'm gonna bark you down and chargeyou $200, but I'm not gonna fix it.
So I'm just collecting money toyour point, like every time there's
a new thing, I've heard horrorstories about that and at least
you got some customer service.
'cause we run it through enterprise.

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So I took the quash quoi back with itsbroken windshield and we show up it.
It was a whole thing to figureout where to take the car.
'cause we picked it up in one terminal.
We were supposed to drop it offanother terminal, no big deal.
So we do that whole thing andthen we get there and the guy had
warned us when we picked it up.
The guys that were there when wepicked up the car were super nice,
very just accommodating, whatever.
And as we know, you know, customerservice isn't usually the priority

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in, in Europe as William andI discovered even in France.
So we get back in themorning, we drop the car off.
10 minutes before Enterpriseis supposed to be open.
And the guy had told us, look, ifthere's nobody there, put the keys
in the Dropbox and go about yourbusiness and don't worry about it.
I said, okay, cool.
I'm looking around wherethe hell's the Dropbox?
'cause in America the Dropbox is atthe little toll booth thing where the

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people usually sit with their scanners,like Tanya's talking about you put
the keys in the box and you drag yourluggage and you go about your merry way.
Instead, we had to wander all aroundterminal to uh, Mel Paya to go figure
out where the hell enterprise was.
And it was like way out of our wayand we're like, we gotta go catch this
flight, but I gotta return the keys.
I could have possibly waited in thegarage for the guy that was gonna show

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up at nine o'clock in the morning.
'cause just 'cause they saythey're open at seven doesn't
mean they're actually open.
So I finally get there.
There is a woman at the enterprisecounter and I walk up and she
goes, we're not open, we are open.
11 2, 11 10. God bless it.
It's like two minutes before you open.
What time was that?
This is like, I don't know, seven inthe morning or something like, okay.
Or eight in the morningor whatever it was.
And I'm like, I'm getting flashbacksof like the post office and the DMV.

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Like it immediately my bloodpressure is starting to build, right?
And I'm holding up the keys and I'mlike, I need to return the keys.
And she's like, oh.
And I'm like, hand her the keys.
And then she kinda looks at melike a deer in the headlights.
And I said, I also want toreport damage to the vehicle.
If you have a problem, youcan telephone four zero seven.

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Go.
Ah, fun.
Cool.
You want to speak to the manager?
Okay.
No, you don't understand.
I bought the insurance.
I'm letting you know thewindshield is broken.
It got hit by a rock.
We have three levels of insurance.
All the three levels they cover nothing.
But I don't have your ticketin front of me, so I don't know
that you bought the insurance.
I, I'm telling you, Ibought the insurance.
Why you want the contract?

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Okay.
I go get to the contract now, but I wannalet you know that the windshield is broken
so you can put a note in and blah, blah.
And she was just like, if youdon't know, it is not my problem.
It's lunch.
Ah, ah.
The whole thing was irritating.
Yeah, you're trying to do the right thing.
Yeah.
By let them know.
So, but then, well I willsay the people it hurts.

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Were quite nice.
The people in enterprise weregreat until I returned the car.
I went back into their office likeliterally three or four times and
every time they were like super.
Okay,
well anyway, the Italy tripisn't all about rental cars.
There was some car stuff in this.
Yeah, you gotta see some reallycool stuff for you William.

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I went on your behalf.
You visited the Ferrari museum.
Am Ello vicariously through me.
Yes.
I will say if you get a chance to go,go, I would also say go to the other one.
'cause there's two.
Yes.
The other one is more motorsports focused.
The only problem I have withgoing to the Ferrari Museum of
Ello is it Ello is a hellhole.
There's no parking people everywhere.

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There's the Ferrari experience thing wherethey're driving off to Fiorano, like you
can rent a 2 96 or a F eight or whatever.
Like they all have different cars.
And then you go with a driver andyou're driving the car and you go
off to Fiorano and you can go do lapsof the track and it's just chaos.
It's Italy in a nutshell, right?
But you drive down there and youthink you're driving through Hollywood
where there's just buildings.

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It's very industrial,there's a lot of factories.
It's not that nice.
Lots of cool stuff once you get there.
So inside the museum, again, oneof the few places that has air
conditioning in Italy, you get inthere, you know it's hot outside.
They kind of gate keepyou in terms of coming in.
But once you come in,the experience is cool.
I expected slightly morecars than there were.
There are not many.
Yeah, no, but it's kind of cool.

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It's like a whole evolution thing, right?
Obviously there's thesuperstars that are in there.
You've got the 2 88 GTO, you got an F40, you got a LA Ferrari, everything
you expect to be there, Schumacher's,formula one car, all this kind of stuff.
So it's cheap.
It's worth going.
You can actually buy a pass.
I don't think it matters which ofthe two museums you go to first,
but you can actually buy a passthat lets you go to both of them.

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So you just drive to the other one andthen go check out what's over there.
It's one museum split into twolocations and then Fiorano ISS right
there, and you can go check outthe track and all that kinda stuff.
So I posted a bunch of pictures on yourwebsite, kind of did a photo dump of a
lot of the things that were in the museum.
Again, really cool stuff,totally worth seeing.
We did a coast to coast sort of trip.
We drove all the way out to theAdriatic and then we drove all the
way out to the Mediterranean of thiswhole loop of North central Italy.

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So along the way we'rekind of strategizing.
My wife was like, oh, we shouldgo to San Marino and check it out,
because it's one of the littleprovincial kingdoms into itself.
You know, sovereign kingdomsthat live inside of Italy, sort
of like the Vatican is its ownthing and it's not really Italy.
And I said, oh, San Marino, that's cool.
We should go to Amela.
And she's like, yeah, youwanna go to the track.
Like last time we went toItaly, we drove past Magie and

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she was like, we should stop.
But it was like the middle of winter.
There's no reason to stop in Magie.
The track's closed.
It's wintertime like,what are we gonna do?
I'm like, well go to Amala.
Right?
So we go there and secretly with all thework that we've done with the professor
about Sena and yeah, commemoratinghis death after 30 years, I was
like, this is an opportunity to go.
See the Senate memorialand to go see the track.

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So my girls were sort of draggingtheir heels a little bit, right?
And they're like, oh my God, we're gonnago to a racetrack and blah, blah, blah.
Unlike Mar, which was in the middle ofjust an industrial park, Mila's sort
of off the beaten path, it's almostlike going to an American race track.
You get there and there's a fast foodjoint and a gas station and a couple
of houses, and there's nobody around.

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But they built the track aroundthis town or the town of Imus.
Sits in the, it's really bizarre.
Yeah.
Like the way it's laid out.
But when you get there, you realize sortof like Montreal, the track is open.
You can't get on the track like youcan in Montreal, but you can walk
around it, you can go everywhere.
And then once you cross under the tunnel,which goes under like start, finish,

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like that area, the track where thegrandstands are, you can cut into the
inside and there's all these parks andlike sporting complexes and like all
this stuff that belongs to the track.
So there's all these signs thatsay, you know, Nu Memorial and this
memorial and that memorial and thenthe SNA one and like the SNA one's
like way out there because youwalk all the way to Ello, right?
So you go out there, you goout there, you go out there and

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you keep walking, keep walking.
I actually had walked past it and Ididn't realize, I saw all these banners
and flags and I'm like, I'm close.
Like I can see there's a sign thatsays Sena and it's on the opposite
wall on the other side of the track.
And I said, this is the Ella Chicane,I'm here, but like, where's the memorial?
Right?
This is really strange.
So I walk past it, I walk all the way tothe gates and there's this guy there, and

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I don't know if he worked at the trackor not, but he was super nice older guy.
And I said, Hey, excuse me, Idon't know if I missed it or
what, but I said, where is.
The Senate memorial and he's like,oh, if you're looking for the point
of impact, like where the plaqueis and whatever, I'll show you.
It's actually kind of hard to find.
So he walks me back and inside of all thatmess of t-shirts and flags and flowers
and just all this stuff that's maintainedthere, there's this little plaque and it

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looks directly at the point of impact whenyou look across the track where he hit.
And so at that moment now you realizeyou're kind of like in the trees.
You're up against the guardrail, you'relooking at this plaque, you're looking
out over the track, you're surrounded byall this memorabilia and all this stuff.
And then there's this statue like inbronze of Sena, sort of almost looking

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like the thinking man, I don't know.
Maybe it's just me, but there'sthis overwhelming sense of like,
I don't know what to call it.
Like John tried to even explain it in hisarticle that he wrote about when he went
to go visit and all that, and it just.
It's weird, it's veryemotional and it's very quiet.
And then you sort of realizein the distance there's a
park with kids and stuff.
You know, Sena was big with kids andhelping kids and giving money and the

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foundations and all, and it's sort oflike, it's just this juxtaposition that
you're just like, okay, I get it now.
Like it becomes suddenly becomes veryreal, his whole legacy and everything.
And so for me, I don't know,emotional, spiritual moment,
but it was very worth going.
And I would say if I had to pick aEuropean track to go watch an F1 race at,
I don't know, you know, I've never beento Monza, but I think Monza would be cool,

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but I think MLO would be on my list of topplaces to go check out a Formula One race.
I just, I like the whole atmosphere.
I like the whole vibe.
I like the way it's laid out.
I, I like the vantagepoints and everything.
I think it was pretty cool.
Yeah, no, definitely.
I think Italy is one of the, if you go foran F1 race, it's one of the places to go.
Just, I mean it's de fci.
I really like that.
I mean, just, it's supposedto be unbelievable.
Well, and I tried to do one morething 'cause on our last day

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we went to go visit my uncle.
He invited us over for lunch and theday before we were supposed to leave.
And so he lives.
Eight miles from the Dara Academy.
And so they got their wholemuseum thing there too.
And I know Tanya's been beforeand she wrote an article about it
and took pictures of everything.
I said, oh, this is my chance.
I didn't go the last time I was here.
I wanna check it out.
We've literally driven by it 16 times.

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'cause it was on the road whereour Airbnb was or whatever.
So I'm like, okay, you know, Iwant to go check this place out and
we're looking online and you know,okay, it's open Mondays from this
time to this time and you know,blah blah, all this kind of stuff.
And so we get there parking lot's full.
We're like, that's a good sign.
You know, find a parking spot, walk aroundclose due to like renovations or whatever.
Like, ah, you gotta be kidding me.

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I took a picture in front of the dela you know, the same way Tanya did.
I stood behind it insteadof in front of it.
And, and now I realize, I was like, howfar back were you to take that picture?
Because it's right up against the road.
I mean, you know, that kind of thing.
Tanya, if you want, because you've beenthere, you wanna describe what the De La
Academy Museum is sort of like, I mean,when you first walk in, there's like
all these placards that kind of take youthrough the history of De La and it's all

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the chassis work with the, the Indy carsand even Formula cars and all that stuff.
Are they still building those road cars?
They're, I know they don't sell 'em here.
Are they still building those for Europe?
I think so, yeah.
But then they have a bunch of otherrace cars that they were involved with.
They're all on display basically.
And it's, it's a weird buildinginside that kind of, almost
has this like circular ramp.
And then there's, I think theredifferent rooms and there's

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Lamborghinis and there's.
Barons and you know, awhole bunch of stuff.
Well, the one thing I saw in thewindow that I thought was pretty
cool, kind of ogling from the outside.
Not that I didn't see it in person.
The garage 56 car isin the Delara Academy.
Well, that's new.
It's sitting up in the Oh, interesting.
In the glass.
It's the car furthest back.
I mean, honestly, I'd have togo back and even read my own
article to see what was there.
It's been a decade.

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The adventures didn't stop there.
William, you set off for Miami.
What was going on in Miami?
I land and my flight's coming back fromChicago is delayed two and a half hours.
Lovely.
United again.
So when I finally get back here, phoneturns on and I get a text message.
From our good friend Mr.David Beatie from Slot Mod.
He goes, well what areyou doing next week?

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I, I don't have anything.
He goes, he goes, I'm going toMiami, can you come with me?
Yeah, sure.
And I'm like, what's going on?
And he tells me that he's, youknow, hooked up to go to Barry
Konik collection 'cause Barry'sinterested in buying a track from him.
Barry's very public inregards to his collection.
Like that.
Super nice guy.
Unbelievable cars, unbelievable artwork.
You know, we were with him for a couplehours, you know, he's got a real keen

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eye for art and it's really cool stuff.
It's not kinda yourbasic, just boring stuff.
And he finds these guys like on Instagramor street artists, stuff like that.
So it's really cool stuff.
So I was really neat to see.
'cause I mean he just got a crazycollection of cars and when he
first started getting into carstuff, he was into the muscle cars,
you know, the chopped cars like49 Mercks and that kind of stuff.
Which he has some there.
But then obviously grew into what hehas now is Daytona sp threes, you know,

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he is got his A MG ones coming, he'sgot a cones, a lot of high class stuff.
But that was neat.
But in talking with Dave beforewe left, he wanted to try
and fill in some more time.
One was about going to Curated.
I know those guys well.
So I said, well that's nota problem you forever I go.
But I don't know if Herschelor John would be there.
'cause you know, Dave just kind of wantedto meet him, networking, stuff like that.
But the other one was garage 26.

(01:47:54):
I had never heard of them.
He sent me their Instagram page.
But there's a few things on there.
You do a little research, find out fatherson duo real estate and everything.
The son, Tommy, he runs in FerrariChallenge, that kind stuff.
So he's trying to get a hold ofsomeone to find out how we go in there.
He's not have much luck and heknows Adrian Fernandez very well.
I he's, so Eric, youjust interviewed Adrian.
When's listening?
Go listen to that episode.

(01:48:14):
Awesome.
I was, I was digging around.
I noticed there's a little blurb in thereabout Adrian's office and that is in the
same building as his garage 26 and it kindof throws you off 'cause you're like, you
know, Adrian's on the fourth floor andhey, they're on the fifth, blah, blah.
I'm like, okay.
He reaches out to Adrian.
Lo and behold, Adrian'spart of that whole thing.
So it's like boom, there's our entry.
And so after we go to Skolnik, we go overthere and we meet Adrian's nephew, jp.

(01:48:40):
Awesome dude.
Super nice.
He does these cool things.
I was trying to get some more detailsoutta my, anyways, we go to the
building five stories high, right then.
Tesla dealership First street forwards.
Well, you go into where theparking lot's at, so you got
your service doors and like that.
Well, then there's these little,maybe I'd say six foot wide red door
entryway and it's for Gable's AutoVault as it that was being called.

(01:49:02):
And you look through there, you cansee this bank door and like that.
And to the right of it, maybeabout 15 feet, there's these two
double glass garage doors that youlook through when they open up.
Then there's two car elevator doors.
They're like, okay, this has gotta be it.
Initially this whole building wassupposed to be like a private garage
type deal for owners and stuff like that.
Display the cars.
Well, when they did it,Tesla approached 'em.

(01:49:25):
I guess, you know,obviously the dollar talks.
So Tesla's got the first three floors.
So we go up to the fifth floor.
That's the first one.
This is garage 26.
There's the whole floor doors open up.
As soon as it opens up, you step out.
There's a hallway, there's amannequin right here that's a cop.
Whatever that looks so realistic,you swear it's a person,
it kind of throws you off.
The elevator door opens,you look straight ahead.
There is a 2003 Ferrari F1 MichaelSchumacher a Ferrari 3 33 SP F 40 LM a pi.

(01:49:52):
So I mean, just those four carsthere you see alone the lms.
9 million, 10 million, maybe 3,3, 3 sps probably five, 6 million.
Now maybe even a little bit more.
God knows what you're gonna put aprice on uh, X shoe marker, F1 car.
But then you step out and it's a hallway.
'cause these are all glass doors andthese things are behind the garage doors.
They're all glass, realnice marble floors and that.
So you gotta a real widehallways going down.

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You know, as you scan on there, youknow, there's this model sitting here.
They got a wire frame ofan F1 car's hanging a wall,
but all you see is Ferrari.
Ferrari, Ferrari.
You go, then you pan 'em the other way.
Just Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari.
Everywhere that I can see.
You wanna talk about me being in heaven,open up the doors, everything like that.
And so that was the plan was, isyou could buy these units depending
on size and whatnot, you know,you stash your collection there.

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So like I said, SP one, sp two spthrees F 42 8 8 GTO La Ferrari a
12 comps, the creme de la creme.
The cars that are impossible to get.
People want, like there's multiples.
And then you go down little otherside, there's a 9 6 2 Porsche, you
know, you got some Porsches and stuff.
Unbelievable stuff.
JP is like opening the doors.
Oh, let's go in here.

(01:50:54):
I mean, wide open, youcan check everything out.
It's got, it's hanging out there.
It's got a bar, two story area,nice glass, I mean gorgeous.
You go around, it's got your littleseating area and stuff like that.
But another thing, you go up the flightof stairs to the roof, there's still an
indoor area there where there's a, a loft.
The simulator that they have is anactual tub from a 4 8 8 race car.
Wow.

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So they took off the front,they took off the back end.
It's the actual tub isthe air jacks, I mean.
Unbelievable.
Then it's got a beautiful outsidedeck, everything like that.
So then we go down to the fourth floorand that's where Adrian's office is at.
But then you have smallerunits, you know, still all the
glass doors, everyth like that.
But these are ones where someowners got smaller space.
Like one guy's just got two cars in there.
He is got a 12 company, a 12 TDF.

(01:51:36):
Other side guys have gota rough CTR, all this.
I mean just again mind-bending stuff.
But Adrian's unit was super cool'cause it's his office and everything.
So you go in there at the end, heis got a new 3 5 6 that he bought.
He's got one of his old Indycars that's on display engine
lids off everyth like that.
I mean fully functional, the whole thing.
He's, he's got one hangingon the wall too, right?
Yeah.

(01:51:56):
And he's got one that doesover here hanging on the wall.
And then he is got all his trophies,race suits, all his old helmets.
And then on the one end he's gotthe track he bought from Dave.
It's very minimalistic,I guess you could say.
You know, it's not like the, someof the ones where he is got all
the trees and all this stuff.
It's very sleek and fits inperfectly with the decor.
I mean, it's just dead nuts on.
Then you know, you go up, he's gota little office area, he is got a

(01:52:17):
seating area, he is got a track, he'sgot a couple, you know, simulators.
I mean you wanna talk about presentationand just mind blowing way to have
your vehicle stored, displayed.
I mean, this is like another level.
Unbelievable.
The quality of the cars that werein this, not just in the garage 26.
'cause that was just unbelievable.
But the other units too is, and thenthe elevators, I posted a quick video

(01:52:40):
of it 'cause it's like you're goingin the bat cave, like, oh my God.
Check out those cars.
You, it's going.
Then when it goes down, it opens back up.
You're like, oh my God,look at these cars.
Me and Dave were both justabsolutely blown away.
The cars that were in thesecollections, and again, JP was.
Awesome.
I mean, just Awesome, awesome dude.
I can't say enough about him when youfinally get through the backlog of editing

(01:53:00):
all your videos and stuff, I look forwardto seeing 'em up on YouTube, but also,
you know, maybe we'll see some of thesegarages and private collections showing
up on Garage Top Magazine as well.
Some of the photos that you took.
So we'll keep everybody up tospeed on where you are with all
your travels and everything.
But I mean, I can't wait tolook at all the pictures.
It's pretty awesome.
I, I still have one more video to, I gottado all the paddock one or the grid walk

(01:53:20):
for Lamont, then I'm gonna do those ones.
But it's some really cool stuff andI, and again, to Barry as well, and
I mean, oh, do whatever you want.
Take as many video, you know,I mean, just have at it.
And I was trying to get a Barry'sgetting fo of some of the stuff
that you really don't see.
'cause you know, a lot of people justtake this stuff that everyone sees.
Very rare that someone getsthat access to Garage 26.
So I think people should definitely seethat because it's not something that, oh,

(01:53:44):
everyone can go in or just say, give acall or something like the Stars aligned
and days of relationship with Adrianand Goddess in and everything like that.
'cause again, and Adrian was the same way.
I mean, I didn't get to meet him.
He was out of town or something, but hewas like very a comedy, you know, telling
David, well get ahold of my nephew.
Oh he'll get, you know,and everyth like that.
So great people definitely check him out.
You'll be amazed at what you see.
William, it's been an adventure.
It's been a lot of fun.

(01:54:05):
I know by the time this airs, you'llhave already closed out rocks and
revs and all that kind of, the merryground is coming to an end here.
Any projections, things you wantto take off the bucket list for
maybe next year, the year after?
What are you thinking?
Goodwood, that was the one thing too,is like if I was able to figure it out.
Perfect.
'cause Goodwood is the followingweekend after head up North and do it.

(01:54:26):
I mean, that would be outstanding to that.
I mean, it wouldn't be a cheap trip,but you're already over in Europe.
Might as well just, hey, just spenda few more days and go up north.
But Goodwood would be the one to go to.
But I would definitely do the revival.
I wouldn't do the hill climb.
Yeah.
'cause I mean, they're just driving upthis driveway that wouldn't always, I
kind of scratched my head it as like, Imean, yeah, they do a lot of, you know,
launches and that kind of cool stuff, but,eh, I, I wanna see 'em go on the track.

(01:54:48):
So I, I'd go, I'd loveto go to the revival.
I think we might be tainted though,because if we go to the revival Yeah.
And we're gonna be comparing it toLama Classic Disappointed and then
it's like, well why do we do this?
We'll just do classic again.
Which is nice because classic they'veannounced starting this year, it's
gonna be every year instead of likewhenever they feel like it kind
of thing or what they were doing.
So it's cool to see.
Classic has got some legs underneathof it, so there'll be an opportunity

(01:55:11):
to go back and I kind of like that.
Right.
Go to the big lama like the next.
Hundredth.
Yeah, the actual hundredth.
Hundredth running, you know,is the next big one, but the
rest of the Lamont 24 hours.
You watch it on TV and that's great, butclassic, again, it's just got that vibe.
It's got that feel.
It's a time machine.
There's something awesome about it.
Well, especially now going to itonce, getting the lay of the land,
understand things get, okay, thisis how they're doing stuff now.

(01:55:34):
You can really attack it in regardsto what you'd wanna accomplish.
Kind of know the ins and outs.
That would definitely be somethingto go back to, would be that.
I mean, it's well worth it.
Everyone I've talked to,I said, buckle this thing.
If you ever get the chance,you have to go do it.
You have to figure outsome way to go do it.
Well, it looks like we took over thewhole episode with our adventures.
Seems like it.
Since Brad isn't here.

(01:55:54):
We'll kind of reconveneour normal news next month.
We got all the lots of cool stuff that inessence of time we will cover next time.
But there's a couple things Ido want to add that are part
of our European adventures.
I did, I found a lost and found foryou, Tanya, when we were at Lamont.
Do you remember this one?
William?
You can buy an R 18 Audi l and p one car.
Yes you can.
It's for sale.

(01:56:15):
Don't ask.
With the low, low prices though,low, low price of a million dollars
somewhere in that neighborhood.
Yeah.
They were making sureit was in tip top shape.
I love the for sale sign officialAudi for sale sign on that R 18.
I mean, it is diesel powered.
It can't be worth that much, that cleandiesel, you know, that kind of thing.
Okay.
What you gonna pay for it then?
You're gonna pay 10 times that muchevery year trying to operate it again.
It is just a situation where,okay, you actually will have the

(01:56:36):
car in your possession then do youThey fly the text in or no audio.
Keep it.
You own it, but it's gonna stay at Audithen whenever you wanna drive with it.
Uh, no.
That's a Ferrari thing.
Don't be confused.
Yeah.
If I own something, Iwant it in my possession.
So, jumping ahead.
We do have an uncool wall nomineethis month and this comes straight
outta Italy, but it's French.

(01:56:57):
Mind you, I saw plenty of uglycars while I was over there,
but this one took the cake.
We were walking down the one of the roads.
In S Mione, which is onthe lakes up in Italy.
My whole family stopped and waslike, what the heck is this thing?
So I present for your consideration,the EO 1007 and it's sliding doors.
Oh wow.
That's interesting.

(01:57:19):
They don't ride the brakes much.
Look at the there, this little bitof brake dust on those front wheels.
Ah, I mean, can you imagine having atwo-door car and the doors slide and
obviously that tells you the parkingover there in regards to how people
probably park next to each other.
Right?
There's not a car without a door done.
Yeah, the interior looked like a handicapshower, so you know, you can imagine.

(01:57:40):
But the whole thing, it just waslike, I don't know, it was so bizarre.
It's the most bizarre carI've seen in a long time.
But like what possesses adesigner to say, you know what?
We're gonna make it two doorsand it's gonna be the shape of a
box and we're gonna make the doorslide quintessentially French.
The person colorblind that bought this, Imean, why would you buy that colored boot?
This is that metallic mustardcopper stuff that they like.

(01:58:02):
I don't, Ugh.
It's awful.
Since you're here, William, and Iknow you made it part of your summer
vacation and I'm sure we'll talk moreabout Formula One in our next episode.
But I've gotta ask because we jokedwe made fun of your $10 movie theater.

(01:58:24):
Did you go see the F1 movie?
Hell yes.
It's awesome.
Is it, I think it's a, I thinkit was a fantastic movie.
I thought it was really good.
And again, though I can asking, Isaid this like with Ford verse fire
and stuff, this is for entertainment.
It's not trying to nail it down, butthey did a hell of a job capturing
like the speed, the sound, everything.
I mean, some of the shotsthat they got were ly.

(01:58:45):
'cause I mean you saw when theywere filming how immersed they
were with the actual F1 afterraces and everything like that.
Obviously you can clearly telllots the CGI stuff, this and that.
Like, oh, that'll never happen.
So there's a lot of stuff you go like, uh,but you gotta take with a grain of salt.
It's pure entertainment purposes.
Most of the racing footage was.
Literally real racing footage that theywent and CGI didn't change the colors of

(01:59:06):
the car, so there wasn't, you know, anAlpine or a Red Bull and stuff like that.
Well, the one cool thing is they go backto, in the eighties when he like got
into it, they used Martin Donnelly'sactual crash video and footage of
him crashing, lying in the middleof the track, the whole nine yards.
Wow.
So it's like that, it'sthe actual video of it.
So they used some real stuff in it.

(01:59:26):
They kind of cji to make, you know,so it was him in the car driving that
lotus, but they used a lot of old footageback then, kind of having flashbacks
and kinda how like he was supposed tobe the next big thing just, and it's
kind of based Martin do never gotback into an F1 car, but no spoilers.
All right, so let me ask this.
Lemme ask again.
Brad Pitt, blah, blah, blah.
It's like Tom Cruise and the rest of'em, and you talk about the CGI and

(01:59:48):
all this cool stuff in my mind, Ithink that the storyline, the plot,
the acting, the, oh, it's crap.
Okay, so it's like Grand Smo then, right?
Yeah.
I mean, come on, you go look at the thing.
Go.
This would never happen.
It's a complete joke.
Oh, come on this guy.
You're trying to do the math in your head.
Okay.
If he was.
Even 18 or 19 when they're saying hewould have to be in the eighties when

(02:00:09):
he break, and then what the yearsnow would be, he'd be in his sixties.
I would never, ever freaking happen.
It's Alonzo.
It's just the story of Alonzo.
That's, it's Brad Pitts.
All right.
He's made some good movies, butI mean, every movie he is in he,
he is the same demeanor, same.
It's just plug and playand doing it how he acts.
But I enjoyed it.
I think it's definitelyworth it to go see it.

(02:00:31):
We didn't stay for it, but we actuallywent to the drive-in the other
night and it was the second movie.
We went and saw Superman and it wassupposed to be the second one, but I was
like, yeah, I don't feel like staying.
That's when I'll wait till itcomes back out on Apple TV and I'll
watch it, you know, on my TV again.
But I thought it was good.
Speaking of Apple tv, I heardthat Apple is bidding for Formula
One coverage for next year.
I think they got it.
Did they really?
No, I thought Disney did.

(02:00:53):
What is the deal withDisney and Formula One?
Everyone's trying to get on thebandwagon and depending on how long
they buy the rice for to do it, ifthey buy it for any more than five
years, they're gonna be effed becauseI guarantee in five years the.
Popularity here in the Statesis gonna start waning big time.
It's gonna do that NASCAR thingwhere NASCAR was boom, boom, boom.
Yeah.
You know, same thing'sgonna happen here with that.
What?
Because everyone's gonna just like, nah,it's the same to your weekend to point.

(02:01:16):
We heard a lot of that when wewere at Lamont Classic and we
were talking to other peopleabout other racing disciplines and
you know, people were surprised.
200,000 people showing for a vintageevent is just ridiculous numbers.
But you heard the samething from a lot of people.
I'm really tired of Formula One.
The racing's really boring.
The drama is really fake, blah,blah, you know, the same thing.
And it, and I know I've been sayingthis, hearing it from other people,

(02:01:39):
unsolicited, you're sort of like, well,I guess I'm not alone on Survivor Island.
Okay.
First of all, formula oneTV has always been boring.
I mean, it just doesn'tmatter what era you pick.
Kind of like you've always said.
You watch the beginning,you snooze in the middle.
You watch the end and it's over.
But now it's to me more specracing than it's ever been,
at least during the S days.

(02:01:59):
And Schumacher, the cars weresort of different, you know,
especially during the Sena days.
You had the flat 12 Ferraris andthe V eight Judds and you know,
the turbo this and the that.
And so it was a mixed bag of stuff.
And then the V 10 era wasobviously amazing, but now,
I don't know, it's just hard.
And I think the whole COVIDis over for a long time now.
People have gone back to, let's say, quoteunquote normal, and Formula One doesn't

(02:02:22):
have the same draw because we're not all.
Stuck at home with nothing else to watch.
I agree.
I mean that's why I say, you know,the shine will come off of that
diamond or everyone I call it,it'll be Shinola when it's done.
Yeah.
I especially like theVegas race of Miamis.
I'll be amazed at that Miamiraces last another three or four
seasons because it's just crap.
You know, Austin's always gonna be there'cause you're gonna have that one Austin,
you know, great tracker like that.

(02:02:43):
But, and in Vegas too, I think it's just,I'd rather watch the WEC race at Austin
than the Formula One race at Austin.
I, I agree with you on that.
A thousand percent.
So, yeah, I mean, and the obscene amountof money that either Disney or Apple,
whoever ends with is gonna have to pay.
I mean, Liberty Media is just cash cashingand it would not surprise me within the
next five years, Liberty Media ends upselling up to the oil rich nations of
Saudi Arabia, one of those DAE funds,whatever, and just walks away making

(02:03:06):
their billions and billions of dollars.
'cause it's at that point,saturation 24 races.
I mean, that's just too many.
I mean that's, and it's total cashgrab To close out this thought on
Formula One, as we sort of wrap outthis impromptu bitter sports news.
I gotta give props to Hulk burg.
It's taking like 25 years to podium.
Yes.
You know, I'm sad to miss that race'cause that actually looked like it

(02:03:27):
was a really good race at Silverstone.
I watched the highlights, you know,that's why they always wish for rain at
every race because it evens things out.
I make everythinginteresting when it's rain.
I'll watch the whole race.
I'm be like, okay, thiswill be interesting.
Yeah, I'll watch whole thing if it rains.

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Again, shout out to you.
Thank you for coming on and itwas a pleasure traveling with you.

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Yeah.
Oh, same here, man.
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Did William freeze?
William froze.
Do looks like it.
He was a little choppy there for a second.
I thought it was me.
I thought it was me too.
Well, I guess we'll haveto wait till he comes back.
This is like when Brad wasfrozen back like episode.
I remember drive through13 or something like that.
He's like B Tanya.

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It's man, it's like you guys listento these stories baiting so fast
when here we are inthe drive through line.
Me and her cars in front of us, cars inback of us all just waiting to order.

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There's some idiot in a Volvo with us.
Brights on behind me.
I lean out the window and scream,Hey, what ya trying to do?
Blind me.
My wife says maybe we should park.
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