Drive Thru News #60: Where have all the "good cars" gone?

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Welcome to the Drivethrough episode number 60.
We've been missing you, Brad.
We're back.
Number 60.
Number 60.
Better late than never.
Number 60.
See.

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Who loves you baby.
What is that from?
That's from Kojack.
Kojack.
Yeah.
I, with the, with the Lollipop.
He's like, who loves you baby?
Yeah.
You talk about all these showsfrom like, your childhood.
My C child, they were in rethey were old when I was young.
Kojack was like 19 Sesame sixties.
Yeah, but you're an old soul.

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I mean, I, I never watched MacGyver.
I never watched Magnum Pinever watched Nightrider.
I never watched Fall Guy.
What?
Blast Femur.
I bet you watched Mash too.
Didn't you watch MASH A little bit?
I watched TI bet I knew.
I knew I didn't like Mash.
I thought it was kind of boring.
But you know what's funny,Pluto tv, they have a channel

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dedicated to all these shows.
You can just watch 'em.
Fantastic.
I've got a lot more free time now,so I should go ahead and put that on.
Uh, I digress.
What do we got today, Eric?
Well, I'm gonna start off with anapology to our listeners for your voice.
Oh, thanks.
Great.
Normally when we do like a big thing,like you go to Lama or classic or

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whatever, we take that month off.
But instead we did a recap with Williamand we took the next month off, but
we had a very, very good excuse.
Are you sorry for taking the timeoff or are you sorry for coming back?
That depends on the audience.
Arbitron is gonna send usnew numbers and metrics.
It's all gonna work out.
Scantron,
we had a good excuse.

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We went to a pro race togetherfor the first time in many years.
We went back to our old stomping grounds.
We went to an IMSA race at VIRand it got in the way of recording
episode 60 at its normal time.
So.
We're back, which is awesome.
And not only are we back,we're back with Brad in the
passenger seat, no guest co-host.

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This month we got the full Brad,full stories, full fun, full comedy,
whatever you want to call it.
So we're gonna go on a little digitalroad trip with you because this month's
showcase was actually your idea.
So you asked me whatwas in store this month.
You tell the audience what's in store,what are we gonna be talking about?
The title here says, wheredid all the good cars go?

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I don't know if these werenecessarily good cars.
They were cars that I was interestedin or, I mean, I'm sure lots of
people were interested in 'causethey, they were the cool cars, the
hit cars to have back in the day.
Good cars.
I think that's debatable.
But where did all the good cars go?
Well, let's define a good car.
Using the lens of our childhood.

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So what would you haveput in that category?
Give an example of whatyou're thinking of.
When I was a teenager in high school,lusting after vehicles up through
my twenties or whatever it was,the heyday of the nineties cars.
So the, the Japanese halo cars,obviously you, your RX sevens, your
3000 gts, your 300 ZXs, the Supra,of course the Honda Dell Soul.

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The Honda Dell Soul.
Yeah.
Stop.
Stop.
Did you just say that the Honda Del Soul?
Mm-hmm.
The Honda Quaalude had to add in thosenineties cars, the mid-engine look
with all the front wheel drive trash.
That's what Del Soultranslates to in English.
That made no sense.
Why was that car front wheel drivewith mid engine unbelievable.

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And then it had that roll down glass.
That partition.
Oh, the car was bizarre.
Just buy a regular civic.
Save yourself the indecency.
Just buy a Miata.
Yeah.
Oh, there's no point.
Buy a Miata.
And then the, the Subaru Impreza2.5 Rs before the WRX came.
Yeah, the Acura Integra.
You know the Civic sislike all that stuff.

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You gotta get it right, man.
Integra an integral part ofmy automotive child rearing.
Did you notice though, Tanya, in thatlist, like 99% of those are all Gs.
They're all jets.
Why?
But the problem with the German carsat that time is they were relics from
the seventies that were made intoposter cars that we all salivate over.

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You think about the Kunta basicallydeveloped in the seventies.
If you look at the nine thirtiesstarted in the seventies, right.
So yeah, you, you make a good point,but I think you're missing my point.
My point is the cars that weren'tnecessarily unobtainium, right.
A Kunta was unobtainium any Porsche,you know, it, it is just like
something I wouldn't be able to have.
That's the problem.

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They were too expensive German cars.
We actually, fun had thisconversation with mom the other day.
We were talking aboutthe Audi, the red one.
That car new in 1990 was like 35,000.
She said, not that they got it new'cause they got it pre-owned or whatever.
Well, we went to Connecticutand bought it from those people.
$35,000 today.
That was an $86,000 car.
Mm-hmm.

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God damn.
Yeah.
Now granted that car was beyond its timefor 1990 with all the features it had.
So let me put that in perspective for you.
That's the second generation Quatro Coop.
The Ur Quatro in 1981also retailed for $35,000.
Would you like to know what?
In 20, $25 even more?
125 grand.

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That's base model nine 11 today.
How much was Adele Soul in 1997?
What it's worth today?
Probably $5 in a bucket of chicken.
Well, there you go.
Right, because what didyou have in the nineties?
You had the Audi Quatros, some Z car BMWs.
The Mercedes was the 500 back then.
The one 90 E was like the one 90 thing.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
You had e thirties as BMWs.
The Germans were all stillkind of niche products.
Yeah.
Like BMW had the three series,the five series, the seven series.
As far as like cars that I saw on theroad, I mean they, they obviously had
the eight series and the six series, youknow, back in the eighties or whatever.
Never saw 'em.
We haven't mentioned Volkswagen yet.

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What did they have in the nineties?
They had the carrado.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I knew nothing about, that nobodywanted, for God knows what reason.
I knew absolutely nothing aboutVolkswagen until it was time for me
to start buying a car back in 2001.
And my friend just randomly said, oh,you should go check out Volkswagen.
And the first Volkswagen Iever drove was a turbo beetle.

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Oh, really?
It was before the turbos came out.
I drove one, I was so ready to buy it.
Wow.
It was like called like vortex blue.
It was almost like apurplish blue kind of.
I was so ready to buy it.
And then my buddy was like, man,you're gonna look like a, you know,
if you drive that car, you can't get that.
But he, he was like, yeah,you, you won't like that car.

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You should look at the GTI.
It's the same car.
And then I went and test drove with GTIand was like, oh, it's the same car.
So I, I bought the gti I, butbefore then, I didn't know
anything about Volkswagen at all.
E even like hanging out with you in highschool and stuff, like, I had no clue.
Yeah.
I knew nothing about cars, but I thinkgoing back to your original question,
where have all those cars gone?
Simple math says that most of them haverotted into the ground at this point

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because you had some shoddy build quality.
All the German cars weren't yetgalvanized and you know, they just rotted
as you looked at 'em kind of thing.
I mean, if you've ever looked at a latemark two golf that doesn't have a, you
know, a hole the size of my head somewherein it that it needs to be patched up.
Obviously that car's got a hundredgrand of restoration work in it,
you know, that kind of thing.
But my point is.
I think a lot of our generation,we kept our first cars.

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I, I didn't, you and I have beenthrough so many cars over the
years between the two of us.
We've passed many people'slifetimes at this point.
But like Tanya still has herfirst car and then has continued
to amass cars since then.
And so I would've liked to havedone the same thing if I had
the space, but I don't, I need awarehouse at this point for that.
So I think there's peopleholding onto the cars.
I think there's others that sawuntimely demise where maybe they

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got wrecked or destroyed, or a lotof them got turned into track cars.
'cause you do see a lot of those ninetiescars at SCCA and they're just getting the
snot beat out of 'em and stuff like that.
So that leaves a really smallmargin of cars that are left.
If you're looking at it from acollector's perspective, now that
you have a little bit more liquidity,maybe you know your peak earning
potential and you're like, we all fallvictim to this as car enthusiasts.

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I wanna buy the car I had in highschool, or I wanna buy the car
I lusted after in high school.
And that presents a challenge,and I'm gonna bring a real
world situation to the table.
One of the cars on yourlist was the Integra.
Integra, especially the type R. Like themid nineties to late nineties type R'S.
97, 98, I think they were intheir $30,000 price range.

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MSRP was 12,000 bucks.
I looked it up for Integratype R base Integra 12 grand.
Right.
So type R. Yeah.
You're gonna tack on top of that.
Right?
Because I remember going to thedealership before I got the GTI and
I was test driving 'em and I I testdrove like a GR RS or, or like a, yeah,
whatever the, there was a bunch ofdifferent models, GST and blah blah blah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Integra GR dash s or whatever it was.

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I couldn't afford the the typeR. Let's take a base Integra like
the plain J and drive it to work.
Let's say it's 12 grandin today's dollars.
That's only 24,000 bucks, right?
'cause you're basically doublingover what it costs 30 years ago.
Yeah.
However, blew my mind when I sawthis article come across from
the drive A type R recently soldon bring a trailer for $204,000.

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Even adjusted for inflation.
That's not even close to what thatthing should be worth in mint condition.
I, I'm gonna theorize here, that'ssomebody that lusted after that
car all through their childhood ortheir parents had one or something.
It is their dream car.
They have fu money andI'm just gonna do it.
I'm just gonna buy the car.

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I've always wanted.
I agree with you.
And I could see that scenario if you cameand told me it's sold for 50, 65 at most.
And I go, yeah, you bought your passion.
Maybe it's got no miles.
It's got like 5,000 miles on it.
You bought a brand new.
1997 Ty R today, and you just went forit and you spent 50 grand, but 200 grand.

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That's more than just you money,dude, that's a gambling problem.
That's more than some people'shouses in the middle of America.
Yeah.
But you can buy so much more car.
Oh yeah.
And so, so that's also partof the problem, like with
looking back at these cars.
Mm-hmm.
The ones that may still be left andit's like, I've got 40 grand and I
want to buy a car and I'm relivingmy childhood, you know, my youth

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and nostalgia and yada yada yada.
And I want to go buy an RXseven or a 3000 GT or something.
They're hard to find or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
Let's be more realistic.
I wanna buy a manual V six Maxima.
Oh.
Because those cars used to be theshit back in the nineties too.
That's true.
I give you that.
They were quick and I feel like that'smore realistic than say like a type R

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or like a a mark four super or whatever.
You go do that, you spend 40grand on that, and then you're
left with a 30-year-old car.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas someone that we know justwent and bought a car that would
totally outperform that car.
Mm-hmm.
Every single way for cheaper.
A hundred percent.
Or for example, you could go to thedealership right now and pick up a Camry

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that would outperform, my God, that carthat you wasted after in the nineties.
Yeah.
In every single way Camry todaywould demolish an EG rock.
I know.
I know.
It's ridiculous.
Like 300 horsepower out ofthe box would be embarrassing.
I'm glad you went to the Maximabecause that brings up another
conversation that blossomed ondiscord over the last month, which is.

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Another brand that was hot when we wereteenagers, which we don't talk about
too much today, which is Infiniti,which is a derivative of Nissan, right?
During that whole period, Acurawas the luxury version of Honda.
Lexus, the luxury version ofToyota Infiniti's, the luxury
version of Nissan, right?
It's a bunch of badge engineeringand we lusted over those cars
'cause they were different and theywere unique and they were cool.
And you know, it wasn't aHonda and it wasn't a Toyota.

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So Nissan, like we've said before, alwayspushing the boundaries in the JDM space.
And I hate to say, with things changingas much as they are at Nissan, some
of that might go away in the nearfuture, but that's all to speculation.
But when was the lasttime you saw an infinity?
Because I read an article which spawnedthis whole conversation about how
Nissan is going to come out with anew infinity that will revitalize the

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real wheel drive sports saloon market.
Like they're gonna take on BMWand the M three and the M four and
the M five with this new Infinity.
And I'm like, they're already kind ofdoing that though because the Infinity
Q sixties have the same motor as the400 horsepower Z. We need to reverse for
a second before we go down this road.
Oh, do we?
Yes.
Because what?

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1990s Infinity was cool.
That's where I was.
'cause the G 37 came out in the twothousands, 2013 there was the I 30.
There was the Q like 80or whatever they were.
All those weird littlecel looking infinities.
Didn't they have the M 45?
That big boat?
That thing was gangster.
That was like early two thousands.

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That car was awesome.
I loved that car.
The G 20 at the end tailend of the nineties.
The G 30 came out the sametime as the three 50 Z did.
Well, hold on.
Lemme, I'm gonna look this up.
See, we don't know Jack aboutinfinity, that's the problem.
That's because nobody gives a crap.
They did a terrible jobof marketing those two.
So there was the 2008, the Infinity G 35.

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Again, we still haven't hit anything.
So the two quote, coolest infinities,still have yet to have been born.
The two thousands is stillin our window of opportunity.
2008. You're an adult.
You sure about that?
Full adult at a real job.
There was the Q 45, which islike the big, like ls, yeah.

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Luxury sedan kind of thing.
There's the M 30, stillnot in the nineties.
Yeah, the Q 45.
Yeah, it was, it was 2006Infinity, Q 45, 19 90, 19 96.
Right.
I remember the I 20 was basically aSentra that was hopped up the G 20.
I thought there was an I 20 as well.
G 20 basically looks like a G 37.
The G 20 was the entry level luxury sedan.

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The J 30 was the one that kindof ripped off Jaguar's look.
Yeah, that was that really amorphous one.
That was like a marshmallow on wheels.
I remember that one.
Yeah.
And then the, the QXfour was the Pathfinder.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
So anyway, they had some stuff out there.
Okay.
All right.
But the point is whenyou go down the road.

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When was the last timeyou saw an infinity?
Every morning When I see that blue G 37.
That's the only one I see.
Ran when parked.
What infinity, are you talkinglike an infinity from the
nineties and early two thousands?
Or like any infinity because I,I see infinities all the time.
I couldn't tell you when.
I've seen a nineties one.
I saw a QX four at the shop when Iwas getting my vehicle inspection.

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You mostly see the SUVs now?
Yeah.
Yeah, because they have thesame motor as the Nissan Z.
They've got the VQ or whatever.
Yes, the newer ones.
Okay.
The SUVs on the road.
That's fine.
All the dealerships that I knewof in the area have dried up.
I don't know where there's anInfinity dealership anymore, so I'm
not even gonna worry about that.
There's one down the road.
Oh my God, you guys are the worst.

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I don't even know.
I couldn't have told you where an Infinitydealer was 20 years ago, let alone today.
I think it's one of those things that whenyou're thinking about 'em, then you see
them everywhere, but because you don'tthink about them, you don't see them.
Selective vision.
No.
My point is.
No one is thinking about Infiniti.
Nobody's considering it as a brand.
And if you told me, Hey, I'm gonna gospend 60, $70,000 on a competitive product

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between an Infiniti and A BMW, when youroll up, I don't know, wherever you work,
the office or the golf course, or whereveryou're taking your car, what's gonna carry
the status if I can, dollar for dollar.
I'm gonna buy the BMW, I'mnot gonna buy an Infinity.
Like it's a weird space to be in andit's a weird space for Nissan to target
to try to build back their brand.

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It's like sell a cool Nissan Saloon.
Not an Infinity.
A brand that people don't recognize.
Gotta sell a cooler Ultima baby.
You gotta those Altimas, to yourpoint, the problems with the
Infinity, it's trying to compete,but it doesn't compete on any level.
Correct.
It can't compete with BMW.
'cause like you're saying, itdoesn't have the panache, it

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doesn't have the performance,it doesn't have the wow factor.
Yep.
Certainly doesn't compete withLexus because it doesn't have the
reliability, so it's sort of a dud.
Yeah.
Good for them.
Nissan is coming out,hopefully cross the fingers.
More cars with manual transmissions.
We'll talk about that in a little bit.
If they're gonna add another oneto the fleet, I would love to
see this as some of the four doorNissans that are sold in Japan.

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Just go with the Nissan brand,a brand that people recognize.
We'll leave that where it is.
Do we remember the timethe Infinity commercials?
The guy with the Apple,they have commercials.
Ah, with the Apple.
Wouldn't that an Infinity commercial?
That like British actor Dude, British.
He, he was the guy who was in Pirates ofthe Caribbean as the governor or whatever.
I think it was that dude.
No, it wasn't him.

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No, it wasn't that dude.
No, I'm confusing himwith someone else then.
Because he did car commercials.
The guy from Pirates of theCaribbean did car commercials.
Hold on.
Lemme see if I can find it.
You're gonna make me look it up.
Oh my God, I see him.
He's in a tuxedo though.
He's not eating an apple.
What is his name?
It's, isn't it Jonathan Price?
That is the guy fromPirates of the Caribbean.
But that's not the guy I am thinking of.
That's not the guy I'm thinking of.

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I said, so maybe I'm thinking of adifferent commercial of the same time.
This isn't the guy.
Yes, Jonathan Price did carcommercials for infinity.
Boom.
Then I'm thinking of something else.
Then see my memory is still good.
All right, so talking about cars fromour youths, one of the cars that went

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up on the wall as an affordable supercarwas the NSX by today's standards.
You look at an original NSX 19 9091, you're like, man, it looks like
it should transform into an autobot.
Just be fighting the decepticon orsomething like it is a little stodgy.
Obviously they refined it as they went on.
I was never a fan of the onewith those frog eyed headlights.

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The little bubbles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't light didn't like those at all.
But Tanya found this interesting articleabout how Honda has decided that they're
going to start making parts for the NSXs,and I was like, there's a market for that.
Really.
Well see.
This isn't a new concept though.
Oh no, not at all.
On a previous.
Drive through.

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Mercedes was doing the same thingfor some of their old pieces of junk.
Three years to design a knob.
That's for like acigarette lighter, right?
Knobs designed by knobs, butthat's not the only manufacturer
turning up the way back machine.
Is it Tanya?
No.
'cause Toyota is doing thesame thing for the AE 86.
Apparently you can getnew heads and new motors.
Nice.

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You're telling me you can buya brand new 2026, we'll call
it four a GE Twin cam initial Dgoes to 11,000 RPM kind of thing.
Apparently slightly upgraded.
So like they have made them better sothey're not pulled out of the 1980s vault
or anything like that, but they bolt in.
The cool part about these motors,I have come to understand that the

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original four a GE was basically aduplicate of a cos word like race motor.
That's why they were so durable and sostrong and made so much power and they
could rev to like literally 11,000 RPM.
So with all that engineering in it, that'slike one of the most sought after normally
aspirated motors, like of all time.
So that's really coolto see this come back.
Now the question is, how much is itgonna cost to buy a motor from Toyota?

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Probably cheaper than a coyote.
Probably cheaper than that.
Integra R, there you go.
Would you rather spend$200,000 on a Integra R or
probably $50,000 on this motor?
The question becomeshow much does the 80 86.
Cost without a motor in it, becausegetting those cars was already
difficult 20 years ago when theywere half as old as they are now.

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You're importing them from Japan.
You buy the motor and thenyou put it in a new GR 86.
Okay, here you go.
So on bat.
You can get 1986 Toyota Corolla.
GTS Liftback five speed.
So that's not the fullout ano one I guess.
I don't know which one that would be,but $19,000, that's not horrendous.

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And a two JZ, GTE powered 86 SR fiveSport Liftback, five speed track car ano
basically sold recently for 22 or 21.
That's a good deal.
That's a good deal.
Two Jay-Z in that.
That's a rocket ship.
It's a race car.
It's gutted, caged, everything.
I would run that.
That's awesome.

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Spoken by someone who has two guttedcage race cars in his driveway right now.
Hopefully three at some pointin my life, but we'll get there.
Switching gears from that.
Somebody had a note here thatsaid, in reference to the whole
Infinity thing, Jaguar was anotherbrand we hadn't seen in a while.
And obviously there's been somechange of ownership and all sorts

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of stuff going on over Jaguar now.
It's funny, Jaguar came up in aconversation recently with Tanya as
we were doing some car exploration,and there's some really good
deals out there on Jags, dependingon what you're looking for.
Forgot about this.
Did you guys see this most recentone that they literally unveiled
at Monterey Car Week this year, andthis is why nobody thinks of Jaguar.

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It looks like a crown.
It looks fake.
Yes, it looks likesomething out of Batman.
The Animated series, cartoon Show.
Again from the nineties.
I was gonna say Dick Tracy, but it'stoo modern to be like a dick Tracy.
But it's that cartoonish level of design.
Nothing about this says Jaguar to me.
No, I don't.
This doesn't say anything.
It's like a child did this.

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Actually, I don't.
I, I am.
The more I'm looking atit, I kind of like it.
Don't say that kinda like it.
I don't like that.
It's gonna be $130,000.
That's cheap compared to a nine 11.
You gotta compare it tonine 11 now it's cheap.
It's cheap.
Compared to an Integra, a hundred percent.
People already don't like the JaguarLand Rover rebrand thing that's been
going on, and the logo people arelike, just put it back the way it was.

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Why did we get rid of the leaping Jaguar?
You know?
And all the stuff that goes withand the legacy that goes with it.
They kind of checked it all at the door.
The car is just awful.
I'm like, I'm sorry.
I think there's some other brandsthat have lost their way, but these
guys don't even know where to start.
Just go back into your catalog of cars.
Would you prefer an auto manufacturer tothink out of the box and take a swing?

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Granted it's a swing and a miss, orwould you prefer an auto manufacturer
to keep going back to the same Dried up?
Well, of badge engineering and bringingback the Camaro, bringing back the
Dart, bringing back the Challenger, thecharger, the Hornet, all these old names.
Slapping them on pieces of shit.

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I see where you're going with that.
Bangled era.
BMWs, ugh, they swung, theymissed kind of That's another car.
You don't see them anywhere?
No, no.
Never see 'em.
I never see, they don'teven make good track cars.
People don't want 'em for that either.
You know?
I see more E 30 nines.
Yeah, and more E 30 sixesand like that era than I do.
Bangal era.
Jag has this.

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Opportunity to go back intoa very rich catalog of retro
redesigns if they want to.
'cause they've never really done it right?
'cause if you think about it, there'sbeen companies like we saw what was the
Eagle that redid the E type JAG 20 yearsago on top gear and stuff like that.
And then you had Jags that runall the guys that were trying

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to make their X jss reliable.
And then there's some other really nicejags that came out during, you know,
the not so great periods of Jaguar,you know, the tail end before Ford
bought em and all that kinda stuff.
That's what they'retrying to do with this.
They're creating that long bonnetthing, but it looks nothing like an XJS.
Just bring back that design.
Modernize it, add the safetyand put a reliable engine in it.

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That's all people really want.
Those are things that make it not a jag.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So instead we come up withthis cartoon monstrosity.
To me, I, I would prefer that companiesdid do a halo car every now and again
and do an homage to their past sothat people can identify through the
generations, like, eh, man, I knowwhat it means to be a Jag owner.

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Like, I really like that XJS,or, I really like that E type,
or I really want that MK one 20.
You know, that they remade for acouple years or whatever it is.
And I think they could go backand re stylize some of those old
cars because some of those were asaerodynamic back then as they are today.
The link I just sent you,this is what you want.
Oh Lord have mercy.
Yeah.
And then, and what happened is peoplewould go into the dealership just

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to look at and be near those cars.
And they would walk out withsomething else that they could afford.
Did you see this jacket that she sent?
Brad?
This, I would drive thisposting this in the show notes.
I, I saw it.
This is hot.
Didn't Jeremy Clarksondrive something like that?
Jeremy's had his butt in so many cars.
Who knows?
This is hot.
Like you wanna be a Batman villain?

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This is the car right here.
This is awesome.
Painted it purple.
That's what the Joker ride.
And to me the last greatJaguar was the XJ two 20.
Going back to our childhood.
No, no, no, no.
I think the F type is a great Jag.
It's not a real Jag though.
That's one of these later Jags.
Okay, then like the XJR, thesupercharged Ford V eight.

(25:24):
Ah.
But see, Ford had its handsin that, was it a great car?
No, it was trash.
The XJ two 20 was the last great Jag.
Like everything about that was Jag.
But the whole controversy around thatcar is, it was a complete disappointment.
Like they could never provethat it would go two 20.
First of all, have you ever seen anybodydo a test of that car where they actually

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hit two 20 and that was the whole point.
I dunno, how fast did that transit vango on top gear that they put the body.
Weren't they racing a diesel jag?
They did do that too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, Jaguar's, another one ofthose brands like Infiniti, where
it's like if, if they're not doingtheir marketing right, they're
not gonna get anybody's attention.
And when you're looking dollar for dollarto Tanya's point $130,000, there's a

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lot of car you can buy for 130 grand.
It's not gonna be that cartoon thingwe saw at Car Week just off the cuff
thinking of a brand that nobody thatwe haven't seen in a really long
time, whatever happened to day, woo.
Oh my god.
What was that sound done?
Dew.
Suzuki.

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Isuzu.
You know the thing that killed meabout Dew is that their emblem was the
seashell thing, and I always thoughtabout the three seashells demolition.
Man.
He doesn't know how to use the seashells.
The date was a piece of shit too.
Anyway, but Tanya, you might havesomething for Brad to bring him
back to our high school days.
Another car that can make a comeback.

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Lord have mercy apparently.
Electric Dodge Neon.
I will say I like those wheels.
You know, chat.
GPT is amazing.
It literally says that somebodydesigned this with chat, GPT.

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There is something timelessabout the original neon.
It is one of those shapes that,okay, you could claim that it's
dated, especially from the backside.
But if, to your point, Brad, ifyou go back to the well and you
clean up some of those designs,you could reintroduce 'em today.
You need to shut up.
You just sit.
The Dodge Neon is a timeless design.

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We're not talking abouta work of art here.
It's a goddamn, it's an acnoDodge from the nineties.
Timeless.
It's timeless 'cause it's afour-door sedan and that's it.
There's nothing special about that car.
Hi Neon.
It is a Dacia Sandero.
Oh man.
There's another brand.
No neons then The timeless Neon.

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But to, to the point of the article,an electric neon makes sense.
I mean, neon in the name, Imean it, it just makes sense.
Sure.
Well, it's like the Beatle comingback as electric, which hopefully
that happens, but it probably neverwill because Volkswagen can't see
past it in their own schnitzel.
Speaking of nineties cars andclassic timeless designs and car
manufacturers, we don't see anymore.

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The Saturn.
Oh no, that's like cursing in church.
So Saturn, if you look it up,it's like how do we take a vox
hall and a opal bastardize themand then say, you know what?
We can make it worse.
We'll call it Saturn.
That's what those cards are.
And then there's that guy down theroads, got like nine of 'em so bad.
They had those body panels thatyou could like kick and throw

(28:35):
things at and Oh, that's right.
That was part of their team.
Right?
They the cyber trucks before thecyber trucks were cyber trucks.
Yeah, they were made of Tupperwares.
It's like ridiculous.
The body cladding, they go.
When you open the door.
Oh man.
So, oh good.
That that bring, that bringsup a really good point.
'cause doesn't the Tesla fartwhen you open the, when you
ask it to open its butt hole.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
It's pretty.
Baby Elon is like a closet.
Saturn fan wouldn't surprise me.
He's a closet something.
We won't go there.
As we wrap up this showcase we'vebeen talking about where did the cars
from our childhood go, you know, whenwe started driving the cars that we
lusted after the things that we wanted.
And you know, I mentioned MontereyCar Week because that also
transpired during our month off.

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So there's been a lot ofcoverage and a lot of things.
And so I got a newsletter from thePorsche Club and as I scrolled through
it, I had to reread it like 10 timesbecause I'm like, you guys actually
posted what I'm about to read to you inpublic to tens of thousands of people.
And I'm like, this is the problem.
Partially with what you're talkingabout, Brad, what you're describing,

(29:39):
and I'm just gonna read this to you'cause I, I just don't know how to react
to it and I want your guys' feedback.
So here goes quote.
Monterey Car Week continues to evolve.
The one thing that Car Week 2025 provedbeyond a shadow of a doubt is that
millennials and Gen Zers love cars.
And while big money might beheavily concentrated in the hands
of relatively few of them, thosethat have it are willing to spend

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it on more than just avocado toast.
End quote.
That was in their newsletter.
And I said, okay, boomer.
So we're already being snubbed by thecollector market because it's all the
older guys, our parents' generation andour grandparents if they're still with us.
And I'm like, you putthat in your newsletter.
You didn't think I was gonna read that?
You don't think I'm in that demographic?

(30:24):
What, what?
Seriously?
I I I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
Go ahead.
You do get down on someavocado toast though.
I mean it's good for you.
Good avocado toast, man.
With a fried egg on.
It got good protein and stuff.
A little bit of oil and salt and pepper.
This is unreal.
I think boomer's gonna boomer that.
Make it right.
Yeah.
Mean I know it doesn't make it right, butit, there's nothing we can do about it.
We just gotta wait for 'em all to die.

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Then we can inherit all thecool cars we don't want.
We just need to out weight them.
Then we'll start our ownboomer like car collection.
Before we get off this topic,I was gonna bring up a question
or pose a question to the panel.
Hmm.
Thinking about what we just talked about,you know, looking 30 years into the future
from now, so 2055, what cars on the roadtoday do you see surviving 25 years and

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what cars are you expecting not to see?
And we have the same conversationabout them 25 in 30 years.
First on the list, like cockroachesthat will survive nuclear winter.
The Altima?
Yeah, well the Altima 2025 Altima stillgoing strong followed by any Na Miata.
Those will still be runningaround 50 years from now.

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And then I think outside of that cars thatyou know, my kids might be lusting after,
is gonna be Mazda threes Hyundai Veloster.
Jeep Wranglers, like all the same stuff.
We lusted after hothatches, SUVs and CUVs.
'cause there's a ton of those on the road.
And because they were affordable.
Exactly.
There you go.
They weren't seen as unobtainium.

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But before we completely close out thisshowcase, Brad, we gotta do a little
dashboard confessional, because youdid just recently acquire one of your
high school sweethearts, didn't you?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
This would be my, let's see, one.
Gotta keep your pants on ifyou gotta count that high.
This will be my fifth VW GTI.
Yeah.
One of 'em wasn't a GTI, but yeah.
No, my sixth, my my fifth mark.

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Four.
Can you tell the audience a littlebit about the new acquisition?
Right now it is dead on the mountain.
It's covered in dirt andmoss and mold and crap.
But pop the hood.
Hood we will overnight parts from Japan.
It's a 2000 GTI 180.

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What color is it?
It is dirt orange?
No, it's, it's called Tropic orange,I think, but we're more affectionately
calling it pumpkin spiced latte.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're PSL because it was purchasedin the fall and, and it's only
around for a limited time.
I like, that's really good.
But you know, this is gonna be a first.

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We've done tons of Mark IVs over theyears and we have a lot of experience with
those cars, but they started out running,this one ran parts, but we have never,
ever resurrected a car from the mountain.
I don't know if we know whatwe're getting ourselves into.
Well, who wants to resurrecta Taurus or a Mercury Sable?
I nowhere.

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There's a neon too, Tanya, to your point,I actually was looking at that car.
Every time I go up to the mountainI'm like, you know, I could do this.
I could do this car.
But then I remember it's a neon.
It's a neon with aMitsubishi 16 valve, though.
It's the good neon.
But I could drive that timelessdesign in that timeless brown color.
Brown.
Yeah.
Another timeless design that's betterthan a neon is Mark four Volkswagen.

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You know, that's the last golf.
That still looks like a golf to me.
They, they look like little bulldogs.
Yeah, they do.
They do look, especiallywhen you fix 'em up.
They're pretty aggressive.
So I'm looking forward to turning wrencheswith you and working on this project.
I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
But I also feel like Gene Wilder andYoung Frankenstein and we're, when we
do get it running alive, it's a lie.

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It's a alive,
it's gonna be a process.
Yeah, for sure.
At least it's not going to the track.
Well, you never know.
We gotta shake it down.
Right?
It's not going to bebuilt like a track car.
Yes.
I'll put it it that way.
It's, that's, I, I took Eddie too far.
Pumpkin spice is gonna be something nice.
It's gonna be a good blend.
Just a kid.

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That'll be a nice little spicy blend.
Does it come with that cardboardsleeve just so you don't burn yourself?
Yeah, it should.
It should.
Alright.
Well we're gonna move on to ourregularly scheduled ranting and raving.
Continuing with Volkswagen and Audi News.
All right.
I feel like this next articlefrom Haggerty Signals the
swan song for the golf R.

(34:46):
Okay.
When they do something like this,Volkswagen is notorious for doing
weird stuff like putting, oh, I don'tknow, the RS three five cylinder
turbo in the next golf R beforethey discontinue it all together.
That's the dot, dot dot.
That's missing from this article, andthat's where I'm reading between the
lines, because if you build a golf R withthat motor making 450 horsepower like

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the TTRS did, and all the other cars thatcame with that power plant and all wheel
drive and the flappy paddles and all thewonderful things that accompanied that
engine and drive, train configuration.
How do you top that?
You can't, again, to me signals,that's the end of the golf R. All I am
thinking about right now is in a coupleyears, my boys will be out of daycare.

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I'll no longer be paying for daycareand I will be picking up eight Rs,
three powered golf R, or I'll justpick up an RS three 'cause the motor's
already in it and they'll be cheaper.
I just want the motor.
I don't care about the rest of it.
You know?
Let me put that in somethingelse and let's go from there.
Put that in a neon.
The timeless design.
Shut up

(35:55):
that five cylinder sound though.
That's what sells it, right?
It's, I mean, 'cause you can make400 horsepower out of something else.
You can make 400 horsepowerto one eight Turbo.
I know for a fact, but itdoesn't sound the same.
Right.
It's gonna sound more like a rally card.
The five cylinders just got,oh, it's got that snarl to it.
You know what I mean?
Yep.

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Speaking of five cylinder sounds.
Remember a couple drive-throughs back.
Audi had made an announcement that theywere changing their design language for
the next generation Audis, starting withwhatever chassis number they're on now.
And so the Audi Club of America put outthe pictures of what the concept car
looks like for this new design language.
But what I thought was hilarious was,and quote comes with virtual gearbox

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and synthetic five cylinder sounds.
This was designed by the sameperson that designed the Jaguar.
I was just about to say, they partnered,they must have partnered together.
I love how they call thisthe vision for the future.
You know, a new era of clarity wasRonnie Millsap behind this 'cause that
guy can't see, you know what I'm saying?
Penn and Farina was busy,so they got SpongeBob.

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No, Penn and Farina ISS not busy.
'cause Ferrari put them on the curb.
Why don't they go pick up those guys?
No.
What they did is they got ridof Juro and now we've got this.
What is this?
What is this?
Is this the Rose Meyer fromthe early two thousands?
Like what is this?
It went from Jaro to Dijo.

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That's good.
That's really good.
Well, if that wasn't enough, thisnext one is what signals my final
nail in the Volkswagen coffin.
Like I've been exiting this stagefor a while and it's been a very,
very tough journey because we havehad Volkswagens in the family nonstop
since the 1950s and it's very hardto like break the brand loyalty.

(37:56):
Right?
But I'll just read thisto you, even Volkswagen.
Is doing horsepower subscriptions.
Now for an extra $22 a month, you can get27 more horsepower in an electric car.
This just makes people neverwant to buy an electric car.
This makes people neverwant to buy Volkswagens.
Why would you do stupid stuff like that?
Well, BMW did this before,not with a horsepower.

(38:19):
And doesn't Tesla do thiswith their horsepower too?
At some point?
It's an electric car thing.
I think it is not a good thing though.
Oh, no, it's not a good thing.
Just like everybody that's cancelingtheir Disney and Hulu subscriptions
right now, what happens when the AIchatbot that you cancel your horsepower
subscription to goes, thank you.
Your membership has been canceled.
Now your car doesn't start.
I'm sorry, I'm done.

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There is no infinite wisdom here.
There's no foresightand there's also rumors.
You hear all sorts of stuff about Porscheswalking back, the electric cayenne or
whatever it's called, and they're gonnago back to gas and all this and you
know, it's all this hokey pokey stuff.
And then we're getting the fivecylinder turbo in the golf RO.
Okay, whatever Volkswagen,they've just lost their way.
I'm sorry, I've said it before.

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I'll say it again.
So Brad.
In the showcase, we talked aboutreaching back into the coffers and
kind of pulling out old designs andbringing them back to life with a
little bit of STIs persuasion here.
Ferrari reveals the firstnew tester since the 1990s.
Badge engineering justlike everybody else.

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Yeah.
This thing's ugly.
I don't see it.
There are certain Ferraristhat are just timeless.
Is that the word?
This episode is timeless.
This episode is, this episode ispowered by or sponsored by Timex.
They're iconic.
There you go.
That's, yes.
Iconic.
Like the tester.
There's nothing else that looks like.

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It's like an F 40.
There's nothing else that looks like it.
It was the same with the originalKosh and then they redesigned that.
Yeah, there's nothing elsethat looked like those.
And it's like this doesn'teven, I don't know.
This doesn't even whisper tester.
No.
It whispers more SF 90.
Yes, because it's gonna replace the SF 90.
Where are the gills on the side?
The strikes as they like to call 'em?

(40:02):
Yeah, whatever they were called.
Yeah.
It looks more like what wasthe predecessor to the F 40?
No, I think it looks likethe 365 Daytona in the front.
It looks like the picture of thered front Honda could have made
this and called it another NSX.
That's true too.
From the back, it looks like every othernew Ferrari, the SP two and all those
prototype E LA Ferrari things, the frontbecause of that black stripe and those

(40:26):
little orange things that come down.
That reminds me of the Daytona.
But it doesn't scream Testa at all.
No.
So the real question is, which theydon't show us a picture of the motor.
Does it have red heads?
'cause if it doesn't have red heads thenit's stupid, but it's got blue seats.
Well, it's got red headcovers, uh, whatever.
Yeah, it's got red heads.
I found some other pictures whenI saw the first pictures of this.

(40:49):
'cause obviously I talked to William fromthe Ferrari marketplace all the time and
he's in the know on this kind of stuff.
I immediately asked him whenI saw the pictures, like,
would Don Johnson drive this?
And he's like, hell no.
So to me that's sort of the litmus test.
Like if Don Johnson, MiamiVice, they had a tester, if he
wouldn't drive this, it'll sell.

(41:10):
But it's gonna sell to atotally different demographic of
people that know what it means.
But regardless, I, I think it's stupid.
No, no, no.
This might also be the same reaction thatpeople that were alive to see, the 1957
original tester, Rosas, you know, withthe pontoon fenders and all that, when
the one in the eighties came out, theygo, this looks nothing like the tester

(41:34):
DA, because it was a complete step away.
Right?
The design language was all wedgeand then the classic straights
that we know and all that kind.
So we're seeing that again,and maybe, and this is what I'm
saying, just a word of caution.
We have to be a little bit moreopen-minded about the design, but as a
purist, it doesn't do anything for me.
I think it's old man yells at cloud.

(41:55):
You know, to your point, we hadthe same argument when the Kunta
came out, the new Kosh, the generalconsensus was, at least in my view,
I thought it was a great looking car.
I, I loved it, but itshouldn't be called Kunta.
Yes.
But at least when you looked atit, you could see Kunta, DNA.
In it, even though you knew it wasa Mercy Lago or whatever it was

(42:16):
underneath a Ventor or whatever,underneath whatever, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this, yeah.
You don't see nineties Testa Rosa at all?
No.
And you don't see fifties?
No.
No, definitely not.
Other than the actual heads beingred, you don't see anything.
I mean, if you put a McLaren badge on it,I wouldn't know the difference, maybe.
But any rate, Brad, guess what?
We thought we could get away with it.

(42:36):
We got some Mercedes news thanks to Tanya.
Why are we wasting ourtime with this Once a year.
We do this once a year, so,okay, so here's the punchline.
Is a Benz still a Benz?
If it's powered by A BMW?
The zebra is powered by A BMW.
One of the greatest cars evermade in the history of cars.
The McLaren F1 is powered by A BMW.

(42:58):
Yeah, I get that.
Mm-hmm.
Those are also bespokesupercar or whatever.
Well, the Zora's, not Toyota claims,BMW provides them with the blocks
and then they do all this otherstuff to make it a Toyota engine.
And it's not a BMW motor.
I mean, I got into argumentwith people about that.
You, you mean they take out all the cheapGerman stuff, accounting, engineering,
crap, and put in like actual good stuff.

(43:18):
So it lasts longer.
But this is Mercedes powered by BMWTurbocharge, two liter, four cylinder.
I mean, with the globalization ofeverything in the global economy and
every, everybody's sharing parts.
This is something that it's justgonna be happening in our lives
and they're all gonna share.
'cause it's, it's more cost effective.
Yeah, but here's thething though, if Mercedes.

(43:40):
The people that invented the car,again, you want to tell me like
we argue about Formula One, thatthey don't know how to build a car.
They don't know how to builda four cylinder of their own
that they can make reliable.
So here's the deal.
You put a BMW power plant inyour Mercedes, and that's the
Achilles heel of those Mercedes.
And everybody, the public goes ah, andthey get out their pitchforks and their

(44:01):
torches and the cars are unreliable.
Let's just say it could happen.
Weirder things have happened.
And now the reputation of Mercedesis besmirched by the fact that they
sublet out the motors for these carsrather than building it themselves.
To me it's a stupid strategy.
It doesn't make sense to me.
It's a cost saving strategy.
Exactly.
'cause they're putting all their eggs inthe EV basket, so they don't wanna put

(44:22):
r and D into ice and so it's cheaper forthem to just go partner and buy a motor.
Yeah.
And it's going in their cheaper cars.
Not saying it's right, but it's goingin the cars that the A class, the
Mercedes purists aren't gonna buy anyway.
Why not just buy A BMW poweredby A BMW four cylinder then?
No, because what?
BM BMW has a four cylinderSo you mean go buy a mini?

(44:45):
No, the little three series, 3,4, 3 series comes with, you can
get with a four cylinder turbo,you can get with the same motor.
Wow.
So to Eric's point, yeah.
Why not just go to buy the BM bmw?
Just buy BMW.
To me that's silly.
So Eric.
We, this panel are car enthusiasts.
Yes.
We eat sleep and breathecar knowledge and stuff.
We are a very, very, very, very,very small minority percentage

(45:09):
of people that buy cars.
When was the last timeyou bought a new car?
The people that would, the peoplethat would go to the Mercedes dealer.
They don't care.
Yeah, they wouldn't know BMW motors in it.
It's gonna have a Mercedes badge on it.
It's gonna have Mercedes plastic on top.
It's not gonna say BMW anywhere unlessyou start taking parts off of it.
Nobody's gonna care.
90% of the people.

(45:29):
Aren't gonna care.
That's like the Porsche.
People with their V eights that don'tknow that they're Audi V eights or
the V sixes, were Volkswagen engineshere, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I get it.
Right?
So it's the same thing, butthat's at least within the family.
So it makes sense that Audi will buildthe V eights for Porsche and Porsche's
designing something else for somebodyelse, and they just swap it around.
But BMW and Mercedes are competitors.

(45:50):
That's sort of what I was getting at.
This at least makes more sensethan BMW giving motors to Toyota.
Yeah.
That, that, you know, how about Toyota in,in Subaru selling basically the exact same
car makes and competing with each other.
Makes sense.
Makes no sense.
Sense.
Or how about even better?
GM competing with gm with the PontiacFirebird and the Chevy Camaro, or the
GMC Sierra and the Chevy Silverado.

(46:13):
They're the exact same vehicles.
They are competing with each other.
It is the stupidest thing in the world,but people don't even realize it.
My GM C's better than your Chevy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's got the same motor in thesame chassis and his exact same
truck with a different badge onthe front, but mine's better.
Mm-hmm.
And on Tuesday, Jim Bob put the bowtie on the front, and on Thursday he

(46:33):
put on GMC on the same assembly line.
Right.
But to the main point, normalcar buyers, especially in this
market, they're not gonna care.
They don't care.
But you know what theyare gonna care about?
Safety recalls.
Oh, and Brad, this is one ofyour favorites because we haven't
had one of these in a while.
Would you like to inform ouraudience, our listeners, do people

(46:56):
get locked in the trunk again?
No.
The brakes, I think they fixed those too.
With the hood coming off,is it made with Home Depot?
Wasn't that an early recall?
I think the cars would likebrick themselves or something.
At some point.
They had a problem.
The hood wouldn't latch.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They they did have the, yeah.
Fuel spillage, fire risk.
Awesome.
That is awesome.

(47:17):
It sounds like thedrain, like the overfill.
If you accidentally overfilled andthen the little cup area uhhuh of the
gas cap, well, their cup overfloweth.
Well, it overfloweth and drainit onto exhausted Very hot earth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what we're on about is yet another, Imean, this is for a very small portion of

(47:38):
the driver enthusiast community as well.
For all you see eight Corvetteowners, there is yet another
recall on the list for you.
So there you go.
I'm sorry.
It leaks onto theradiator, not the exhaust.
Well, that's, that's just airto, or that's, that's just a
water to water inter cooler.
It's hot though.
It'll ignite the fumes.
Boom.
Done.
Literally like Zoolander.

(48:00):
Okay.
It's like they saw Tesla withall the, like the car fires and
stuff like Hold, hold my beer.
This is a rare occurrence inmalfunctioning filling station pumps
appear to be a contributing factor.
What is malfunctioning on the fuel pump?
The automatic shutoff.
I said Zoolander is not automaticallyshutting off, even though every fuel pump

(48:23):
I've ever been to has a warning sign thatsays, do not leave the pump unattended.
I bet you these idiots are going to Wawaand they're running inside to get their
burritos while I'm waiting for them toget back in their car so I could fill up.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But I feel like I've had pumps.
You put the lock in and then itgoes punk and then it releases.
I feel like I've had pumps wherethat hasn't released and yet the

(48:44):
fuel has still stopped flowing.
I've also had pumps thatdid not stop flowing.
Uhhuh.
That's the malfunctioning one I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah, they've happened to me like twice.
That one speedway in the middle ofIllinois in, uh, 26, 27 years of driving.
That's happened like twice.
Well, we talked about infinityearlier, so we're gonna switch again

(49:04):
and talk about JDM and Asian carnews a little bit more Nissan here.
I alluded to earlier, moremanual transmission Nissans.
That's right folks.
The nimo edition of the400 Z is gonna be a manual.
Ooh.
So this scares me.
Why?
Because of the conversation wehad earlier about Nissan and their

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troubles and infinity and whobuys 'em anymore and everything.
The one Nissan that Iwould want to own mm-hmm.
Scared to buy it because is Nissaneven gonna be around Who's gonna
service it when they collapse?
You know, that's a very, very valid point.
And that's what has kept me fromgoing out and getting one as well,
because I really do like these.
I mean, I really truly do like these, I'vesaid it before, they check a ton of boxes.

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They're very well appointed.
They're very well priced.
Yes.
It's not as fast as a Supra,blah, blah, blah, blah.
But the point is, for every daythis is fantastic and it looks
fantastic and it goes like stink.
Your point, what happens intwo years if Nissan's not here?
What happened to all thosepeople with their pontiacs?
I guess they can go to gm, likeall the Pontiac G eights and

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the GTOs and all that stuff.
Well, they can go to AdvancedAuto, so you know, all good.
Well, true.
But that's not the only Nissan, right?
Tanya?
No, because they're also bringingthe 300 ZX inspired heritage edition
in midnight purple, which I guesswas a color that GTR came in.
The new Nissan Z, you can getit in this fancy purple color.

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One of my favorite three50 Z colors as well.
They had like an ultravioletlike this too, and it's gorgeous.
Really, really awesome color.
Hmm.
Very tough.
It almost looks like the mystic chrome.
Does it have like a hint of green?
It does in this photograph, althoughthat could be, could just be lighting.
That could be AI generated.
Everything's AI generated these days.
Yeah, it's hard to tell the, the oneon the three 50 Z was just purple.

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Like those just came in thatultraviolet, like the E 36 BMWs did.
Yeah, but I like this because I'vealways thought that was a really,
really good color for these cars.
They wore it really well, andI like the gold wheels too.
It'll be really hard to choosebetween this and a RS three
powered golf R. No, it wouldn't.
I'd buy this all day long for the money.
The golf's gonna be moreexpensive than the Z. True.

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The golf's gonna be like $75,000.
We researched this recently.
The regular front wheel drive, GTI, withthe auto bond package is almost $42,000.
MSRP.
So what's the new golf R?
With the RS three motor gonnacost 75 80,000 because that's what
the RSS three and the TTRS cost.
So they're not gonnagive it away for free.
If that's true.

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Who is gonna buy a $70,000 Volkswagen?
The same people that bought Phons,which was nobody at, at that point I
would just go and get an RS three forcheaper 'cause it's been out longer.
All right, so moving on with JDM News.
Tanya, you got some hot to report here?
What's this thing called?
The yin yang?
I can't even say the name.

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The Wang Chung.
What is this?
Hey, now.
It's my Yang Wang.
So yes, I would think that'sroughly the correct pronunciation.
So the BDS Yang Wang U nine Extremeand it's an electric car, is now
the fastest car in the world.

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Recorded at 308 miles per hour.
I read the, uh, comments on thisand people were just blowing it up.
'cause they're like, well, and then theywere like, well, there's land speed cars
from the 1920s that are faster than this.
And it's like, okay, applesand chainsaws, folks.
Like this is stupid.
It did.
The speed that it did, it was recorded.
It was, it was made official.

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Leave it where it is.
Okay, great.
So we have an electric cardthat ran its battery down and
reached 308 miles an hour.
I mean, okay, how many timescan you do that in a row?
At least with the Veron, you couldrefill it and do it again moments later.
It's an interesting looking McLaren.
It does look a lot like a McLaren.
So here's the thing I remember about whenthe Veron set the production car record.

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The big thing wasn'tnecessarily the power.
The, the power plant inthe Veron was massive.
A thousand horsepower quadturbos W 16 and all this crazy
stuff that they came up with.
And it was a slippery car, soit cheated the wind and, and
everything that had going for it.
But the tire manufacturer was thebig deciding factor as to whether
or not it could reach that speed.

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What didn't impress me was that theymade an electric car with enough
juice and enough motors and enoughpotency to get to 300 miles an hour
is who made those low profile tires.
They could do 300 miles an hour becausethat's more interesting than the car.
Does it say who did?
Who made 'em?
No, that's, I haven'tbeen able to find that.
Hold on.
Hold on.
One person speculated that it.

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Oh, it was probably Michelin.
Okay, great.
That's not fact.
GD tires.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
God damn tires.
GITI.
I got my gds and my Yang yang.
My yang Wangs got some goddamn tires.
BYD was able to set new EV land speedrecord equipped with the GD Sport.

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E GTR two pro tires Uhhuh, a tire patternthat was especially designed and developed
in collaboration with a Yang Wang team.
My Yang Wang's got a team.
Can you imagine?
Roll it up with a T-shirtthat says Team Yang Wang.
The jokes write themselves.
I mean, there's nothing you could do.

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Yang Wang.
Hold on.
Who makes GD tires?
So it's a street legal, semi slickdesigned for electric supercars.
There you go.
And it only comes on onethe yang wing collusion.
As we wrap up our Asian carnews, we actually have some sad
news this month, right Tanya?
Yes.
I saw this Su Matano, thefather of the Miata passed away.

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It's 76 years old a couple days ago.
So he not only is responsiblefor the Miata, he's also
responsible for the FD Rx seven.
I actually interviewed a couple ofyears ago Professor Norman Garrett,
who was Mr. M's right hand man.
In designing the Miata, he developedparts of the suspension and all the
things that we love about the Miataand, and I urge people, if you've

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never dove into the creation storyof the Miata, to go back into our
catalog and listen to that episode.
It was a couple of years ago, buthe also talks about working on the
third gen RX seven with Mr. M as well.
So it's pretty cool.
But you know, sad to see a legend in thedesign world, unfortunately taken from us.
I dunno, the Miata lives on.
I'm curious to see what comesnext for Mazda in that department.

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They're doing good things elsewhere.
Nowadays I'm seeing, I'mseeing them all over the road.
It's crazy.
What Mazda Miatas?
No.
Miata?
No, I'm talking Mazdas in general.
Mazdas in general, but I haven't seen anyof the new Miatas on the road like hardly.
Do they still make the ND Miata?
I think so.
Well this, because they're all Miata Cupcars and until, you know what I mean?
They gotta make theirway through the system.

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Maybe the Mid Atlantic's not a great.
Weather place for them?
No, no.
I think you see probably more inthe southwest than California and
places Florida, places like that.
You definitely see 'em at the track.
That's for sure.
I mean, Brad, when we were at VIR,there's a whole cup series of end Miatas.
I mean they, there was what, probably35 of them out there running the track.
It was nuts.
It's like, it soundedlike a swarm of hornets.

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It was bonkers.
Shout out to Sally Mott.
Unfortunately, she had a bad run.
Mazda's always made reallyinteresting looking sharp cars to me.
Something about them, for whatever reason,they're just, I, I used to love the 6 2 6.
If we go back to our original topic,like you never see six two sixes anymore.
The Mazda speed six.
The Mazda millennia.

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Oh my God.
Oh wow.
What?
That's like Windows me edition.
Come on.
Remember the Mazda Millennia?
Yes.
Those were nice cars too.
Forgot about that.
They're styling.
It's just like if I was in themarket for an SUV right now, I
would totally go look at the CX 90.
Yeah, those are really nice.
And with that turbo inline six.
They're really, really slick looking.

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Yeah, that's a BMW takeout right there.
'cause you can get it fora lot less than an X five.
And it's as nice inside and out as theBMWs are, or at least the BMWs used to be.
Right.
'cause the Germans are startingto make stuff a little cheaper.
Yeah.
The thing about the Germans making stuffcheaper is they're using cheaper parts.
Mazda's been making things cheaper justbecause they like making things cheaper.
Yeah, that's true.

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Well, we don't often have motorcyclenews, but we do have motorcycle news and
I think this one would shock you guys.
We're probably not sad to see him leaveFormula One, but all I'm gonna say is that
it's gonna make Moto GP super interesting.
Now, the Gunther Steineris a team principle.
Is he of what?
Yes.
And he owns a Moto GPteam now or whatever.

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It's gonna make Rideto Survive season one.
Really interesting.
I didn't know Gene Haasbought a motorcycle team.
God fucking gene ass.
Can you imagine?
I mean, maybe it's theright place for Gunther.
I don't know.
Good luck to him.
Going into next year, he is gonnabe at the head of Tech three Racing

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Moto GP team, full ownership.
It'll be back marker team.
So in order for him to get the job asteam principal, he had to buy the team.
I mean, if you aint first, your last.
Right.
Also in Motorcycle news, I thoughtit was cool to see the other series.
You know, there's Moto GP and thenthere's Moto America and Moto America
season finale is gonna be in ourbackyard and we'll be over by the

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time you listen to this episode.
But here at the tail end of September,Moto America will be finishing out its
season at New Jersey Motorsport Park.
How cool is that?
So I wanna keep that on our radarfor next year because it has been on
my bucket list to go to one of theselike high end motorcycle races like
Mo GP or MO America, and check it out.

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'cause I, on TV it's like,eh, like car racing on tv.
I can do motorcycles forwhatever reason I can't.
But I'd really like togo see one in person.
So Brad, that's gonna be one ofour adventures for next year.
And if Motor America is coming toNJ and P. Well, why the hell not?
Right?
Do they go to VIR?
If they go to VIR?
I am so there.
I may be like, we gotta figure it out.
I and I, I, I would love towatch the race with the baggers.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Here.
It's really entertaining.
Those bikes look really cool.
Switching gears to EVs and conceptcars, what do you got for us, Eric?
Well, you know, I wanna go back andunfortunately Brad, I don't know if
you listened to the episode whereWilliam covered for you, and we
talked about our adventures in Europe.
One of the things that came up was Williamand I were talking about the rules and

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stuff in the EU were more electric cars.
More electric cars, more electric cars.
I wanted to circle back, Iwanted to ask Tanya as much as
they pushed for electric cars.
I didn't see any charging stationsanywhere, so I kept wondering like, where
are people charging their EVs in Europe?
And I stopped at a couple autogrills, and I can't say maybe
there were a couple end spots.

(59:55):
I don't know.
I don't remember.
And if they are, they're very wellhidden, or maybe they're in people's
personal garages or you know, they'recharging at home or something like that.
Because over there they already do two 20.
So you could do a level twocharger like right off the bat.
But it was something that Williamand I had talked about after the
episode and he goes, yeah man, Iremember we were talking about it and.
There were no chargers, even in Francewhere we were, you didn't really see them.

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And I was like, it's reallybizarre because there's such
a big push for EVs in the eu.
So if somebody's got more informationon that, I would love to know like
how they're doing their chargingon, on such an old infrastructure.
I mean, we talk about our infrastructureproblems as well, which leads into
something I found interesting thatone of our members posted about
how the US government is takingaway the ability for EVs to run in

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the carpool lanes in California.
Really kinda weird and especiallyweird for a state like.
California Right.
To be denying this one point thatthe author makes but really fails to
elaborate on appropriately, I think,is that, well, to be fair, the Carpool
lane is intended mostly for carpoolingand Yes, by name, that's true.

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But the reason carpool lanes evenoriginated was back in the seventies
'cause of the oil crisis where theywanted you to carpool in order to reduce
congestion and emissions and conservefuel by having less cars on the road.
Right?
And so if it is aboutemissions and things like that.

(01:01:26):
Well then an an ev no matter the numberof people in it fits that criteria.
Ooh.
I know what they'll do in California.
They'll create like theirversion of a bike lien for EVs.
It's the EV lien.
Ooh.
It's the charger in it.
So they charge themselves as they go.
Yes.
And then they bill youfor it on a subscription.
That's how it's gonna work in California.
That's what's coming next.
That's what my spidey sense is telling me.

(01:01:47):
I don't know how I feel about this.
It's, it's kind of weird.
It is kind of weird because eventhe HOV lanes, you know, the carpool
lanes that we have here on the Eastcoast, I think people abuse them.
Which on the one hand then like,fine put more EVs in there.
'cause then that's less peoplein the main lanes clogging it up.
Yeah.
Oh, now we get to move on toBrad's favorite part of the
drive-through Lost and found.

(01:02:09):
Tanya, I found something for you and I'mwondering if it was a missed opportunity.
I remember this one now.
Yeah, remember this one?
This is that sleeper beetle with thetwin turbo VR six under the hood,
making like a gajillion horsepower.
And at the time we were watching theauction on bring a trailer and it
was like, I dunno, like 20 grand.

(01:02:29):
And I was like, yeah, that's not bad.
This car's got a lot of mods in it.
There's a lot of work done to this car.
So were we right not to pull thetrigger or did it sell for too much?
What did it go for?
56,000, almost 57.
But it's a new beetle or sorry.
Yeah, it's a new beetle version.
But I mean, I meant it's a turbo s thatthey converted to this twin VR six.

(01:02:52):
And so my hangup even at $20,000is I know what it means to work
on a four cylinder new beetle.
That it barely fits.
How did they fit?
Like you ever have to domaintenance on this thing.
It would be an absolutetragedy from the photo.
I think you have to disconnect halfthis intake just to get the battery
out now, and it's all-wheel drive.

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It's basically an RSI with twin turbos,which I hope they would've imported
one then because if they converteda front wheel drive to drive, my
God, that's a tube frame rear end.
I mean, you just have to look at itat the pictures of it up on the lift.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That's sick though, dude.
I mean that, Ugh.
I mean for the amountof work they did on it.
20,000 would've been an absolute steal.

(01:03:37):
Yeah.
For the labor and thetime that went into it.
One could argue maybe even at50,000, that was still a good deal.
All wheel drive conversion,vr, sixes, blah, blah blah.
Everything else that's got goingon with it, one of one beetle.
But this was done professionally.
This was an HPA beat a lot of Canada.
This was back in the heydaywhen they were competing against

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EIP tuning, which became IAG.
The big Subaru guys, they built theirmonster, R 32, which HPA had one.
But then they built this, andit's like, the nice part is
it was professionally built.
It wasn't done in somebody's basement,out of parts overnight from Japan.
You've got that going for it.
But when you dig into a car likethis that's so specialized, you

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begin to wonder, well, wheredid they source that part?
Can I get that part?
Was it something that theymachined or did they fabricate it?
So there's a lot of question marks.
So I think it would've been reallycool to your point, if it had sold
for 25, I would've felt really bad.
This is a 400 horsepowerall wheel drive beetle.
This would've been reallycool to kick around in.
I'd have been scared to drive it.
'cause God forbid something breaks.

(01:04:38):
Yeah, but it would'vebeen super cool though.
It'd have to be just like you drivearound occasionally, the occasional
time you drive around, it'd be awesome.
It would be no doubt.
I think the irony though here is that thisis where great minds think alike, or it's.
These are the onlyseats that fit that car.
They have the exact same seats inthis car that you have in yours.
I know.
I noticed exactly the same seat.

(01:05:02):
I was like, wow, look at that.
Somebody back in the day, and Ithought it might have been HPA, but
I can't remember who it was, made amid engine S four powered Mark 4G TI.
Oh yeah, you're right.
That did exist.
And then the factory did thatcrazy mark five W 12 thing
that, yeah, proof of concept.

(01:05:22):
I'm trying to remember who did that.
Mid-engine golf.
Was it Dahlback?
Oh, it's the Dahlback car.
Yeah, they did.
They did that.
They also did the inlinefive cylinder turbo golf.
That was like ridiculous.
They would shoot flamesout the back and stuff.
They had all sorts of crazy cars.
I think they were in likeSweden or Germany or somewhere.
I think I had that doll back.
Golf as my screensaver fora while back in the day.

(01:05:44):
Yeah.
They called it the RSI orRST or something like that.
It's been a while since I looked at those.
But any rate, our friends, grayChevrolet and Chuck LeDuc, you know
they sell cars all the time, but didyou know that Amazon sells cars now?
I know Amazon sells houses.
Yeah.
'cause don't, don't theyhave that pickup truck?
Bezos's pickup truck.
This is Hertz is sellingtheir fleet through Amazon.

(01:06:08):
Oh, so you can, oh, youcan one click buy now.
That's what I'm saying.
Your car shows up next day.
Prime delivery on a Carvana tow truck.
I've said it before.
No one aspires to own a rental car.
Let's just nip this in the bud.
Would you buy an ex rentalcar from Hertz through Amazon?
How desperate do you have to be?
There are a lot of channels there.

(01:06:30):
You gotta go through everythingfrom A to Z. Alright, fine.
I'm gonna do a Bradversion of this question.
All right.
Here we go.
Hertz through Amazonor used Nissan Ultima.
Which do you buy?
Used Hertz Nissan Ultima through Amazon.
That's like the worst of the worst.

(01:06:52):
Oh, and, and to quote thearticle to make you feel safe
about buying these hertz cars.
The vast majority of people rentingsomething like a Nissan Altima, ah,
my God, aren't launching it off a rampor doing burnouts in a parking lot.
I beg to challenge that statement.
Yeah, right.
Because Nissan Altimas,they live a rough life.
They've seen some things, rentalcars in general, live a rough

(01:07:17):
life and have seen some things.
The last time I had, I had a rental.
When I totaled my Camaro, I had atrailblazer and I blew out the power
steering doing donuts in the snow,and I just drove it back and said,
Hey, the power steering stoppedworking, and they gave me a new one.
Don't know what happened.
Also, the tires are bald.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't, I don't, Idon't know what happened.
It just stopped working on me.

(01:07:37):
I, I just, I'm gonna go buya car now, so leave me alone.
Oh boy.
We've only done this acouple times this year.
And we only have a couplemore full drive-throughs left.
Are we actually gonna talk about Tesla?
I mean, I thought we took the year off.
We said we weren't.
Well, why do we do thisinstead of talking about them?
We'll just post thearticles and not bother.
They're there for you to lookat if you really wanna know.

(01:07:59):
But I do wanna touch on this onebecause it's not really Tesla
specifically, but about Tesla.
My wife found this and sent it over andit's from the Atlantic, not a source
that we normally pull articles from.
And it was just a one shot sayingTesla wants out of the car business.
I'm wondering how true that is becausethe Atlantic's not your typical clickbait.

(01:08:19):
We're gonna do this toget people's attention.
You know, they're usually prettyserious news, and I'm just like, huh.
This is something, I feel like you saidfrom the beginning that they're not a car
manufacturer, they're a software company.
Thank you.
This article has absolutelyzero credibility to me.
Okay.
I also didn't read it, soI don't know what it says.
The, the first sentence,Elon Musk still makes some of

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America's best electric cars.
Bullshit.
And then, and then here we go.
Because cyber truck, further on inthat first paragraph, when the Model
Y became the world's bestsellingcar, it did for like a hot second.
So that's not.
A lie necessarily.
We'll call it an equivocation,which is lying with the truth,

(01:09:02):
but it's not necessarily a lie.
It's bullshit.
Okay.
I don't give a fuck what the numbers say.
Flag on the play.
The F-150 is the world's is No, the, theToyota Camry or the Toyota Corolla or
whatever is the world's best selling car.
Not in America.
F-150 is the best one 50 in America.
Yeah, sure.
True.
But just like America'sbest electric cars.
Switching gears.
To what has changed names more times onthis show than I can think, which is now

(01:09:26):
called seriously what could go wrong?
Lowered Expectation,
formerly Lowered Expectations.
How many times do we changethe name to these segments?
It's whatever you come up with, Brad.
Whatever suits your fancy that month.
I wanna go back yet again to the Frenchepisode that we did that William was here.

(01:09:48):
If you remember Tanya, we were talkingabout leaving manual transmission
cars, not in gear when they'reparked, just pull on the hand brake.
And we couldn't figure out why.
We've always, you know, Ijust put it in first gear, why
bother with the hand brake?
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
What kind of stresses is itputting on the transmission?
And I saw a video from Europe.
I finally figured out why theydon't put the cars in gear.

(01:10:10):
And unfortunately I don'thave the link for it anymore.
'cause I lost it.
It was one of thoseInstagram reels or whatever.
And I'll just explain it to you.
The mystery is solved.
Now, if you've ever watched anybodyparallel park in Paris or Budapest
or Rome, or pick a city in Europeand there's no space, if the car's
not in gear, you can push it.
Make space for you to fit becauseyou can override the handbrake

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and then when you stop pushing theother car, it'll just sit there.
'cause the handbrake will hold it.
So that's why you don't put your car ingear, because if you have left your car
in gear and somebody pushed you out of theway to make space because you parked like
a butthead, they ruin your transmission.
So it's courtesy amongst thecitizens that you leave your car.
In neutral or just don'tpark like a butthead.
Well, I mean, yeah, butstill I solved the mystery.

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That's the reason.
Are these people all driving PEOs?
Of course they are.
I mean, come on.
And do they all have those stupidlittle rubber mats on their bumpers?
Like the people up in New York thatleave them on the road when they're
going down the Jersey turnpike?
Oh my God.
Every time I see somebody with that,I'm like, where the hell do you live?
The one that comes outta the trunk?
Yes.
It's like flaps outta the trunk.

(01:11:15):
But they just, they're, they're lazy,so they don't bother putting it up
when they're like driving somewhere.
They just leave it down.
So there's this two inch thick rubbermat hanging out the back of their trunk.
I kid you not, I literally watch thevideo of somebody like with a fiat
move, two other cars so they could fit.
And it wasn't like they werebashing them like you, I'm
gonna crash into it and move it.
No, they just gently nudged it and thenthey nudged the other one and then they

(01:11:37):
made space and then they parked and theygot outta the car and they walked away.
It wasn't like, oh, stage it for the gram.
It was like closed circuittv, just watching the street.
And I'm like, this is for real people.
Wow.
And at that moment, that'swhen I was like, boom.
Light bulb went off.
I got, I understand now.
So it's proper etiquette to dothat on the streets of Europe.
But if I do it on an airplane,no, that's sexual harassment.

(01:12:02):
What?
That's okay.
'cause Southwest has a signseating now, so it's all good.
It'll fix all the problems.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Never sit in the middle.
I took a left turn, dude, I makesure I fly in a different row
than you when we get on a plane.
I can't even make itthrough security with you.
Remember?
That's a whole nother story.
Well, yeah.
'cause I'm, I'm Mr. America.

(01:12:22):
Yeah, right.
So during our little adventureto VIR, one of the evenings,
we got an opportunity to watch.
The Formula One movie.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, that's why we kept it, and wealso kept it in lowered expectations.
Brad, what's your 32nd synopsisof the Formula One movie?
I thought it was like any race,car, movie or whatever that's

(01:12:44):
come out in the last few years.
It was just okay.
It was entertaining.
It's not factual regarding like stuffthat the car nerds would pick up on.
Yeah, I mean, obviously there'sthings that are wrong and then
dramatizations and stuff like that.
I thought it was entertaining.
I thought it was good.
Uh, it was no differentthan the Grando movie.
I like the cameos in the movie, like,you know, Alonzo popping up and then

(01:13:05):
the beginning Patrick Long's there whenthey're at Daytona and stuff like that.
And yeah, it's, it's just a newerversion of Driven in some ways.
Yeah.
I think you could have replacedBrad Pitt with just about anybody.
You know, who it should have been.
It should have been Dempsey.
That would've been a lot cooleractually, either Dempsey or Fastbender.
'cause they actually have legitimatelike chops and they're both great actors.

(01:13:27):
I mean, they're, I don't think BradPitt's a better actor than anyone.
What happened is BradPitt paid for the movie.
I think there was a weird undertone.
Brad Pitt's teammate was sortof this poster, Lewis Hamilton
trying to make a statement.
Hamilton was also one of theproducers or something like that.
Yes.
He was heavily involved in it.
Yeah.
And I feel like he wrote some of hisown personality and maybe some of

(01:13:50):
his own soapbox into that character.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I didn't know how to come away from it,but it was like, it was really obvious.
Right.
Maybe not to other people.
He came across as likea pre Madonna kind of.
Yeah.
Like I'm, I'm the best,you know, kind of thing.
And then like they also tried to spinit like he did stupid things like Yeah.
To make people feel that way.
But they also tried to spin itlike he was kind of misunderstood.

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His upbringing and like the relationshipwith his mom and stuff like that.
I don't think his dad wasin the picture in the film.
Right.
I can't remember if his dad wasthere or not, but they were trying
to give a little bit of backstory,I guess, into his personality and
how he might have been that way.
But I feel like it was kind of shallow.
I thought that PavierBarham did a good job.
I actually really liked him.
I love him as a, he's, he's a great actor.

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He did a good job.
I think he played the part of, I'mtrying to remember the Italian guy's
name that was always sort of behindthe scenes, even in the old days
with like Lancia and stuff like that.
And his name escapes me at the moment.
But I think he portrayed that typeof behind the scenes, pulling the
strings, playing the F1 politicsand all that kind of stuff.
He had some good one-liners.

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He was Lawrence Stroll.
No, he was not Lawrence Stroll.
No, not at all.
I thought he did areally good job in that.
I, although I think it was funny tosee like Christian Horner in the,
the background kind of dates themovie a little bit based on recent
events, but uh, you know, I. I knowyou're heartbroken over that, Brad.
I mean, Christian Horner'sgone from Red Bull.

(01:15:13):
Yeah, I, I don't care.
Christian Horn Dog.
What?
Yeah.
Well, we'll come back toFormula One in a minute.
Well, well, Tanya, have youwatched the F1 movie yet?
No, have not.
No spoilers, no.
Now that's why we don't wannatell you anything more, but
when you do, you let us know.
We'll do this again, thenwe will, we'll do it again.
Yeah.
It's sort of like the Sena thing thattook six months for you to watch.

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You know what I'm saying?
Well, where can I watch it?
You can watch it through Prime.
You don't have to have Apple,but you have to rent it.
That's how we watched it, whichmeans you have to pay for it for 12.
Nine nine can watch it nowfor 49 cents on YouTube.
Apparently for five hours.
There's the advertise, there's the someguy with a handy cam in the, in the
theater, back to the old bootleg days.

(01:15:58):
Maybe they go to that movietheater that William goes to
where it's like seven bucks andyou gotta shuck your own popcorn.
You know that kind of thing.
20 bucks to rent it.
Yeah.
How much is it that just go buy 22?
You can't, 'cause it's anApple thing, you can't buy it.
You can, you can buy it.
That's what, um, Tom, I thoughthe rented it throughout.
No, he bought it.
Oh, whatever.
It's still 20 bucks or 20.
But he did get it through Prime.

(01:16:18):
Oh, bullshit.
You can buy it on Blu-ray.
Target 33 49.
Who's got a Blu-ray playerthat's even more expensive.
No, wait a second.
F1, the movie Blu-Ray plus digital copy.
24.95 at Walmart plus digitalcopy, so you get it on Fandango.
So just go Fandango and get it.
Then the digital copyis standard definition.
Well, it's $20 on Fandango too, butat least you get it and you're done.

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Right.
Boom, whatever.
I can get it for $24 at Walmart too.
It's like when you buy TurboTax at BestBuy and they send you the product code,
you're gonna get the product code.
So terrible.
So in lieu of rich people.
Thanks.
I just want to switch it up and go GTMBook Club and recommend two books that
I read during this time off that we hadskipping a month of the drive through.

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So I went back and I read a bookcalled Faster by Neil Bascom.
It's the story of Lucy O'ReillyShell and Renee Drefus and the dhe.
That's the car manufactured dhe, andit talks about challenging the silver
arrows of Mercedes and Auto Unionright up to the brink of World War ii.
It's also the story that LaurenGoodman, who comes on the show to do

(01:17:24):
our Women of the Autos Sphere series.
She did a presentation on that aspart of her work at Revs for the
Ainger Symposium a couple years back.
So I was able to kind of jump back intothat story and learn a lot more about it.
I'll say the book is verydetailed if you're not.
A historical fiction type.
Maybe it's not your thing.
If you like World War II and you wannaget a different outlook on, you know,

(01:17:46):
the buildup to World War ii, it'sa good book from that perspective.
There is a lot of car technical jargon init and you're, you're trying to kind of
keep up with everything that's going on.
But it's available on Amazon atBarnes and Noble, and it's also
available as an audio book on Spotify.
In addition to that, Ididn't get the print version.
I kind of cheated and did the audio book.
I listened to the Man in the White Suit asan audio book available through Spotify.

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For those that don't know,that's the story of Ben
Collins, the Stig from Top Gear.
He was the second Stig from 2003 to 2011.
It's actually read by Ben Collins andit gives some really interesting behind
the scenes views in, not only into hisracing career, his personal life, things
like, I didn't know he was in the ArmyReserves, you know, stuff like that.

(01:18:32):
But it also talks aboutthe golden era of top gear.
And I thought it was really cool tohear his perspective on, you know,
James May and working with Hammondsand what Jeremy Clarkson was like,
you know, when the cameras areturned off and things like that.
So that was a really good, listen, Idon't wanna call it a read, you know,
again, it's available as an audiobookfree if you have Spotify premium.
So check out the man in the whitesuit, and I'm still hoping to have

(01:18:56):
Ben on an episode of Evening with aLegend, 'cause one of the chapters
in the book is devoted to his threeattempts at the 24 hours of Lama.
So yeah, there's hope.
Cross our fingers on that one.
All right, Tanya's favoritesection of the drive through,
formerly known as Florida Man.

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Are you faster than an interceptor?
Well, and this first one definitelyis a, are you faster than interceptor
in your gravelly zero turn lawnmowergoing down the, oh no Florida highway.
Are you faster than an interceptor?
And the answer to that is no.
I think the answer always no.

(01:19:47):
This is a nice zero turn.
They can do 25, 30 mile an hour.
Right?
I mean, that's pretty decent.
I used to go to the drag strip up therein Frederick all the time and they had
the snowmobiles and the, the lawnmowers,the tractors right, going down the drag.
So it's not out of therealm of possibility.

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I never saw a zero turn do it though.
What was he drinking?
That's my question.
So this next one I had subtitled,it's time to make the donuts.
So I'm impressed with this.
'cause it's not every day, it's a woman.
It's.
Doing donuts in a MustangFresno, California.
This 21-year-old, she's doingdonuts, then she's trying to hit
the officers on the motorcycle.

(01:20:28):
She gets pit maneuvered.
Then she gets tasered andthen she gets arrested,
and this didn't happen at 2:00 AMthis happened in broad daylight, 9:00
AM after the school drop off, shewas like, I'm gonna do some donuts.
Phenomenal.
Holy crap.
She was probably.
On something.

(01:20:48):
At least she had the decency notto do it at a cars and coffee.
No, she just did it in a neighborhood.
It looks like there weren'tany pedestrians around
that know at the moment.
It looked like there was asidewalk, you know, whatever.
This could have been little kids.
Oh boy.
What's next?
Oh yes.
So also, are you faster than interceptor?
We go to Indiana, wehaven't been to Indiana.

(01:21:08):
I don't know.
We need to create that heat mapof all the places we've had.
Florida man stories.
I'm telling you in another editionof Are You Faster Than Interceptor?
Are you Faster than a BatteryPowered Power Wheels Jeep?
What?
You're kidding me.
So he was drunk, and so I guess hefigured I won't get in my real car.
I'll get in a Power WheelsJeep and that won't count.

(01:21:30):
Come on.
But he got a DUI in a Power Wheels Jeep.
This reminds me of that girl.
She was in college and she lost herlicense for driving under the influence.
So she drove around town in like apink Barbie Jeep or something, going
to the grocery store and all that shit.
At least he didn't try to evadethe cops, although it would've been
really funny to see him bang a hardright and just go off into the grass

(01:21:54):
and see if they would chase him.
But I, I do appreciate the fact thathe pulled over onto that shoulder
apron, driveway, whatever it is, andhe just immediately put his hands up.
I know I've done wrong.
Is this really a crime?
It's a crime shame because youknow how these Florida man stories
usually end up, you get out, youget naked and you run into a swamp.
So none of those things happen.

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So it's a completely, hewould've already started that.
He was naked.
This is awesome.
So this was a weird one.
Apparently some sort of scam inCleveland, and I'm not sure I fully
understood it the first time, norfully understand it this time.
Some lady was driving down the road andthen she heard what, apparently it sounded
like a rock hitting the windshield.

(01:22:35):
Mm-hmm.
Kept on going.
Hours later when she's home,these people roll up to her house.
Demanding that she has her cell phone,she ignored them and all this stuff.
And she goes to go look at hercar and there was a cell phone
attached to it, like magnetic.
Oh.
So they tracked her.
But what I'm confused about is werethey trying to do a home invasion?

(01:22:57):
'cause then why leave thecell phone on the car?
I don't know.
That's, they don't say where she found it.
So maybe she looked really hardand, and kind of found it in a
hidden place and they were gonnakeep tracking her or something.
I'm guessing it must have been somesort of home invasion or attempt to
do a carjacking that's kind of scar.
Clever.
Yeah.
Or maybe once they realized thecar was at a residence, maybe they

(01:23:18):
were trying to steal the car, sothen they figured we're not gonna
steal it outta somebody's driveway.
But if it was at the target parkinglot, they would try to get it,
you know, or something like that.
That's a little James Bondithrowing your entire phone.
That's a bit much too.
I mean, you're with a magnet.
Yeah.
I don't, I guess, I guess that's the noiseshe heard was they like launch the phone
and it actually stuck a higher probabilityof getting hit by lightning, I think.

(01:23:42):
I don't know.
Bizarre.
But it's a, I guess helpful PSA reminderto people to, you know, always be careful
when there's something suspicious.
Like when you go out to your carlate at night and there's, you don't
realize, oh, there's this piece ofpaper on the rear glass, I gotta get
back outta the car to get it out.
Don't do that.
Don't ever do that.
Just drive off.
Just drive away.
Especially women.
Just keep going.
Let the piece of paper be stuckunder your windshield wiper.

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Keep going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a setup right there.
Well, since this is Cleveland, I'mgonna follow up with William and
ask him if he knows about this scam.
Now we're gonna go toPennsylvania, Penn Tuckie.
So how would you feel like, so talkingabout buying those Hertz used rental cars
on Amazon that have been seen some things.
How would you like to get a dealershipoffer a thousand dollars off plus

(01:24:25):
$1,250 in rebate for some Kias thatfell into a sinkhole in the dealership's
parking lot, the groundbreaking deal,2250 off of a car that was in a hole.
Are you serious?
It didn't fall below the earth,but the earth broke underneath
them and they're like in the air.
Cattywampus fees anddestination charges apply.

(01:24:47):
No, I I would hard pass.
These are gonna end up at auction.
Why wouldn't you buy one?
What does the Carfax say on this?
Oh, car fell in holeRepaired by dealership.
Really?
I don't know.
Well, it says four vehicles into a chasmwith minimal damage and no injuries.
Minimal damage.
Two of them don't have rear bumpers.
Yeah, 'cause they cameoff into the sinkhole.

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Alright, I'm gonna close outthis Florida man by looking back,
reaching into the past, reachingfour years ago of drive-throughs.
Remember when we reported on a guy inthe Czech Republic who would go out

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in his Formula two and go bomb thehighways and he's modified this car.
It now looks like a MarlboroFerrari from like the 1990s.
It's amazing.
After four years, the mysteryF1 driver has been called on the
internet, has finally been caught.
Took him four years to catch this guy.
So begging the question, areyou faster than an interceptor?

(01:25:52):
Yes, until now.
Damn.
How did they catch him?
They found him at home andthey arrested him there.
Oh, that's lame.
You gotta catch him on the highway though.
They think they saw him at a petrolstation and then they got 'em at home.
There was your mistake.
Don't fill up at the petrol station.
Have those gas cans at home.
Yeah, that was just stupid.
Yeah, you never do a fuel stopin a formula car, but he got

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away with it for four years.
That's pretty damn good.
Yeah.
Good for you.
I mean, now he's gonna spend10 years in jail, so whatever.
It's all good.
Worth it for the gram.
Any, yeah.
Anybody on Instagram?
Who's seen that?
That all blacked out?
Corvette?
Well, I think the licenseplate said will run.

(01:26:36):
Oh yeah.
Kind of like Mbit or something like that.
I just, yeah, it's all for the Gram.
Sort of like cart Vader.
Remember him back in the days he'd go downin his shifter cart through Paris and all
that stuff on the highways and whatnot.
He got caught too eventually.
Some of these comments arefunny though, in Italy.
I bet he would've been rewarded.
I saw a video of that recently where aguy in a Ferrari got pulled over and the

(01:26:58):
cop came up and shook his hand and said.
This is one of the most beautiful Ferrarisever as the best engine ever, man.
And the kind of es just there.
Like he just keeps shaking hishand and keeps talking to him.
And he's like, are yougonna give me a ticket?
He's like, he's starting to getting tiredof all the uh, the compliments, right?
And then finally he just lets him go.
And I'm like, alright,I like this one too.
God forbid a man have hobbies.

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Well, on that note, it's time we go behindthe pit wall and quickly talk about news.
This is just gonna lead us intoother things, Brad, but I just
wanted to start with this 'causeI know this is big news for you.
I wanted the biggest things for you onyour comeback for drive through number 60.
And I thought this is just soimportant that I didn't even wanna

(01:27:40):
wait to the Formula one segment.
Here it is.
Get ready.
Get your Kleenex out.
Daniel Ricardo confirmsretirement for motor racing.
This is why I put this first and foremost,retirement for motor racing, period.
Full stop.
There are no disciplines.
Just no more.
Are you sad?
Be heartbroken.
I don't care what you'vealways cared about, Ricardo.

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I mean, it's not like he died or anything.
He's just not gonna be racing anymore.
He's still got his brand on Chante.
What's that translate to?
I'll pass.
Yeah, I signed up for the newsletter andI kept getting like product information
and stuff and it's all not my style.
What do you think that says about him?
What do you think it says about Alonzo?
It should be making the same statement,and according to you, Hamilton too,

(01:28:26):
there's truth in that statement as well.
I mean, Daniel's getting up there in age.
I don't think age hasanything to do with it though.
I think he just lost his passion for it.
So he lost his passionfor all racing then?
Yeah.
Yes.
I can relate.
I feel like I've kinda lostmy passion for track driving.
The last couple times I went and did it.

(01:28:46):
I didn't really have any fun.
I broke the car, you know, I didn'treally get to go out on track much.
I mean, when I say that the pumpkinspice latte is probably not gonna see the
track, it's probably a fair statement.
No, it's gonna see it whenyou pull up and you park.
It's gonna see it when I go to an IMSArace or professional race or something,
but it probably won't touch a track.
Maybe parade.
Talking about IMSA and sports car andendurance racing, we did go to VIR.

(01:29:09):
It was interesting because as we know,VIR is one of the circuits, though
it's big, and though it has all thesafety and runoff and everything like
that, the big cars, the LMPs and theLM DHS and the gtps do not run at VIR.
So you had all the support classes.
What a handful of LMP twos at best.
But everything else wasGT production based.
So it was a good weekend.
I mean, it's always good to bearound the racetrack, right?

(01:29:30):
It's always good to bump intopeople and conversations and,
and everything like that.
But as an aside, while all thatwas happening, there was news
that Lamborghini is pulling out.
They're the first to quit thisnew generation of hypercar, the
gtps that are out there now.
So I'm just sort of sad to see that.
So I'm wondering if that's also Volkswagenmoving some money around, because we

(01:29:54):
are officially going to Formula One nextyear with Audi Formula One's not cheap.
And if something's gotta getcut, well we'll cut this new
program with Lamborghini.
They haven't proved anything.
They're not gotten anywhere yet.
You know, because when you introduce a newsports car, it takes four or five years.
To get to a point where it's viable.
So that's what I think is thereason behind Lamborghini pulling
out more than anything else.
But it's a shame because it's beenexciting to see all these other

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cars come to the surface in theupper echelon of sports car racing.
I agree.
It's been exciting to see allthese other cars in hypercar.
I had no idea Lamborghini had one.
Oh yeah.
It came out like in 24.
But to my point, like I'm not shockedthat they're pulling out because I'm
probably not the only one who just didn'trealize that they even had one in there.
It's not like all the fanfare andpomp and circumstance that came with

(01:30:39):
Ferrari coming back and like thePEOs are cool 'cause they're like
different looking and, and everything.
It's just Lamborghini was just kind,they just kinda got lost on the sauce.
On top of that, we were finally ableto check something off our bucket list.
After many, many years of tryingon this show, you can go back
and check this out via Patreon.
We finally got a chance to sitdown and talk with Bobby Rahal.

(01:31:00):
We specifically talked about hisearly days and his row to Lamas.
That was a lot of fun.
That was a great interview, and Bobbyhas promised to come back and talk
to us about indie car racing, sothat's gonna be really, really cool.
And if you're a fan of Eveningwith a Legend where we recount the
stories and the legends of lamont andstuff like that, we've got a couple
really cool episodes coming up.

(01:31:20):
We've got a special one on Veteran'sDay, so pay attention to that very
unique episode that's coming out.
And then we've got David Hobbscoming in October, followed by
Bob Varsha in November, and then Ican't say who's coming after that.
Those are the publiclyannounced ones that we got.
You can still sign up for those.
Just go to Motor inc podcast.net and goto Evening with the legend and you can
sign up and be part of the live audienceand get your questions answered on air or

(01:31:44):
whatever it is when we have the legends.
There to talk about lama.
So that's really cool.
And speaking of lama, I'm going to petitein a couple of weeks, gonna be at Road
Atlanta for the IMSA season finale.
I'll also be working the a CO booth.
There's gonna be a autograph sessionwith some legends that have been on the
show and some that are coming later.
And so I'll be part of thatand it's gonna be a lot of fun.

(01:32:05):
So if you're at Road Atlanta, stopby and see us at the A CO booth.
That's gonna be up in the fan zone.
So looking forward to the season closer.
Before we move on, we need to discussendurance racing a little bit more.
Oh, okay.
Because Franz Herman, AKA Max Tappin,he participated recently in a Berg
Ring four hour endurance race inorder to qualify for his GT three.

(01:32:29):
License so that he can this weekendparticipate in a norlife endurance race.
And let's just talk about howhe did in that permit race.
He was in a Cayman seven 18GT four car is what he drove.
However, they de-tuned him becauseof his quote, rookie standing.
They de-tuned him 130horsepower, holy cow.

(01:32:52):
And added weight.
He finished in his class seventh, hefinished overall of I think 114 cars.
27th.
Wow.
That's seemingly impressive.
So if they, they hadn't basicallyneutered the car, he would've came in
first and probably higher up the gym.
I'm wondering.
So it'll be very interesting tosee how he does this weekend.

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In a non detuned car, which he'llbe driving a Ferrari this weekend.
All the cars that are availablein I I racing, I get it.
That's a, that's a premonition.
Which funnily enough, hisco-driver is someone who's
coming up through sim racing.
He's got like a his own leagueacademy thing that he is doing.
So his co-driver is gonnabe some sim racer dude.

(01:33:36):
So that'll be interestingto see how that goes.
We'll put a pin in that fora minute 'cause we're gonna
come back and talk about Max.
We don't talk about virtual stuffthat often, but I had to bring this up
because Brad, if we go back far enoughinto our Utes, you know the old fours
of leagues we used to run as part ofGTM and stuff, it was pretty sad when
I read and I confirmed through IGN thataccording to former turn, 10 employees,

(01:34:00):
fours a motorsport has been canceled.
That's it.
The last one we got is thelast one we're gonna get still.
It is, I mean, I'm not surprisedif you played the last one, fours
a eight or whatever they call it.
Fours a motor sport.
The best one was seven,I thought six or no, six.
Six was the best one.
Yeah, fours a seven was goodbecause just it, it added VIR
fours A seven added VIR, right.

(01:34:20):
Or was it six?
There was a four pack, sixadded with the package.
Yeah.
And then it was, it was default and seven.
Yeah, six was the best one.
Six and seven weren't too different.
It was like six service pack two.
You know the typical Microsoft one?
Yeah.
Six.
6.1. I mean, that's a shame.
They diverted a lot of their attention tothe Forza Horizon series, which is, you
know, if you like that, that's, it's good.
Which the new rumor for horizon sixis that it'll be take place in Japan.

(01:34:43):
Ooh.
That will be cool.
I would look for, but then that.
Is gonna compete against games likeSolar Crown and it's gonna go up against
JDM Drift Master and all that kind ofstuff, which I have copies of all that.
I will say unfortunately, JDMDrift Master I've been disappointed
with because much like the newAceto Evo, it's not fully baked.

(01:35:04):
You know, you rush to get it andyou get it at a discount, which
is great 'cause you pre-order it.
But then they're like, so we havethis year long release schedule
and we're still developing the gameand we're gonna give it to you in
like little bunches every month.
And I'm like, Ugh, Idon't have time for this.
Unfortunately.
As a result of that, I know a setof Evo is suffering quite a bit.
Every time they update Evo, I goback in and I'm like, they fix one
thing and they break 12 others.

(01:35:25):
It's sometimes it's absolutelyunplayable and I'm like guys.
Why didn't you just do whateverybody else wanted you to do?
Start with a set of Corsaor a CC and just mod it.
There's been so many mods over the years.
Just build it that way andthen, you know, continue to, but
they're trying to do a ground up.
Recreate the world, I guess with it.
So my recommendation is if you're lookingfor a racing game, maybe a little bit open
world, a little bit of mixture, a littlebit of everything, checks all the boxes.

(01:35:48):
You can hark back to the days ofProject Gotham Racing by picking
up a copy of Car X Street.
I have been enjoying that thoroughly.
Is that on Xbox?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cross Compat with PC Mac to include, youcan cross play with PlayStation and Xbox.
Oh, it does have a, it doeshave a PlayStation version.
Yeah.
So now everybody can playtogether, which is pretty cool.

(01:36:10):
Originally it wasn't built that way.
It's been a lot of fun to play.
The physics is good.
There's a lot of reallycool cars to pick from.
And the graphics are good.
Is it, is it a track driving or, I mean,it's got street in the name, so I'm
assuming like midnight club kind of thing?
Yeah.
Okay.
Like Project Gotham was too.
Right.
So it, it's got a blend of abunch of different things and
there's different versions.
There's like CarX Drift and whateverelse they have that they offer.

(01:36:31):
And behind the scenes Microsoft isactually involved in that process.
And that's why I keep saying if you wantthat project Gotham like experience, this
is sort of the reimagined version of that.
Yeah, I, I loved Project Gotham.
That was one of myfavorite racing games ever.
Maybe pick up a copy of CarX Street.
I think I will.
So as we round out.
To the regular racing news.

(01:36:52):
I want a quick shout out from one ofour listeners that sent us a, a note
that they wanted us to read on air.
And so Ash writes, she said thatAlex Taylor, a Booneville Arkansas
girl, recently broke a speedrecord hitting 235 miles an hour.
Alex's already synonymous with speed anda passion in the drag racing world, and
she has etched her name in the recordbooks At the prestigious Bonneville

(01:37:15):
Speed Week, the Arkansas Nativeshattered the existing C slash CCB GALT
record, clocking in at an astoundingaverage speed of 2 35 0.638 miles an
hour, officially entering the coveted.
200 mile an hour club.
So very cool.
Congrats.
Ash is also from Arkansas, so she wantedto share that bit of news that was in

(01:37:36):
the LOPA paper with us to read on air.
So I thought that was really, really neat.
Congratulations to her.
But she would've went fasterif she was driving a yang wing.
Oh, you know, just wait tillGD makes some salt flat tires.
Those G GDI tires.
GITI gt.
I know GTI like, it'slike Zt, but gt no G lee.
They're all made by g lee.

(01:37:56):
It's all G. Maybe the,maybe it actually is Zdi.
Alright, formula one.
We reserve the right to talk aboutformula One last, I don't wanna talk about
every race that's happened over the lasttwo months 'cause it's just too much.

(01:38:18):
I don't even remember.
Right.
So I just wanna sayBelgium was a nightmare.
The race was delayed for over an hour.
It was just WW.
The whole thing was WW and that wasjust an annoying race to sit through.
Budapest, what an amazingrace between two people.
The McLaren's watching theirteam strategy is mind-boggling.
I don't understand what'sgoing on over there.

(01:38:40):
Can we just let Oscar score pointsso that Max doesn't, what is
this BS between Lando and Oscar?
Like it just needs to stop.
They're already gonna win themanufacturer's championship for
crying out loud, like Red Bulldoesn't stand a chance there.
At least bunch of otherblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Races in between.
So let's fast forward toAzure Bajan Max Power, right?
We are going full bore, and I'm readingstuff about how people are saying that

(01:39:04):
Max is now stacking the end part ofthe season to try to win the remaining
races and take the championshipaway from the McLaren drivers.
Full stop.
It's been done before, and apparentlyif he wins every race from here on.
The math works out.
Do we think it's gonna happen?
What's the over under on this?

(01:39:25):
They've sorted that car out,then yes, it's probably possible.
I don't have any love forany of the F1 teams really.
Go Cadillac.
We're gonna get to that go Audi.
We'll get to that too.
You know, I'm not a ti fso.
My heart breaks for Ferrari andkind of secretly I want McLaren to
win, but then I don't want McLarento win 'cause I don't like the BS

(01:39:48):
that they do amongst their own team.
I'm kind of like rooting for Mercedesto kind of like come through as the
underdog and just take all of it home.
But that's not gonna happen either.
So I can't put.
My focus on any one team.
'cause they kind of all suck.
Stake.
Yeah, stake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Holgenburg is gonna take it all home.
Uh, any rate Max forstopping Champion this year?

(01:40:08):
Do you think it's gonna happen?
He won every singlerace but won last year.
He had a 14 second lead, I think 14,15 seconds He ended at Azure Bajan.
Yeah.
And he started slowing down becausethat gap was bigger and I think
he just wasn't pushing anymore.
'cause there's no reason GeorgeRussell wasn't catching up
the pit stop.

(01:40:29):
Let's be real.
Yeah, let's be real for a second.
And he just, they told him, you knowwhat, save the motor, save the car.
Cruise the last couple laps.
I mean, you could tell from thevideos when they showed you, he
is like short shifting and justcruising around and you're like, wow.
And you still can't catch him.
So if they've sorted out that car andit's back to levels that it was at
last year, it's over for McLarney.

(01:40:50):
It's over.
Yeah, it's over.
So this is what's gonna make the restof this formula one season exciting
because so far it's been a bit of adud, but now it's getting interesting
to see how this is gonna play out.
And maybe it, it just comes down.
I will argue there'swhat seven races left.
I think we said Tanya, it's, it'stoo many 24 races in the year.
It's insane.
It's like every twoweeks basically, right?
I mean it's just, it'sbonkers, but we'll see.

(01:41:12):
I think it's gonna, it'sgonna be interesting.
But on a side note, speaking oflisteners checking in with us, I got
a call from Alabama, Jeff, one of ourlisteners, and he says to me, he goes,
obviously you guys know more about thisstuff than I do in his southern draw.
He goes, I just got into F1recently like everyone else.
But he goes, wouldn't you say stopping isjust one of the best drivers, hands down?

(01:41:36):
And so I wanted to open that up to goback to what we were talking about with
endurance, with this whole math game,him coming out and potentially winning
the championship if everything goes inhis favor, do we think for is in a class?
Like a Schumacher or aSena or somebody like that.
Is he that level of driver?
I think it's hard to answer that question.

(01:41:57):
Is he a great driver?
Is he an amazing driver?
Yes.
The reality is, I think some ofit's the car, but you gotta be
able to pilot that car and it, yougotta be able to pilot the car.
Yes.
But because they're not alldriving, it's hard to make these
comparisons 'cause they're notall driving the exact same car.
Well, in Red Bull's case, the rumor onthe street is Eno's car is basically
specked identical to ver stop's car asalmost like a backup to Ver stop's car.

(01:42:21):
And it's reportedly undrivable.
People used to say the same thing aboutSena, where Senna's car was like, I don't
know how the hell he drives this thing.
Is he at that level or is it justhe's got a particular driving style?
What is it?
I mean, it could be, I am changing myopinion of him and I think it'll be
very telling what he does in GT three.

(01:42:42):
Because if he's dominating there, then heis definitely one of the best probably.
I think he's matured a lot fromthe arrogant asshole he was when he
first started out in Formula One.
And he's a father now, right?
Technically now he's a father, yes.
But he started maturing even before then.
But maybe that's 'cause he kindof had a step kid in Kelly's

(01:43:02):
first daughter, Kelly pk.
So maybe he was already changing there.
He's very consistent.
He's a very consistentdriver hitting the mark.
Laugh after lap, after lap, after lap.
So that I racing and maybe it is,I mean, someone else who tends to
be that consistent also is Ptri.
So I'd really like to see himif it comes down between him and

(01:43:23):
Norris, I'd like to see him winthe World Championship for sure.
'cause I think he isprobably the stronger driver.
But I mean, Sapin, he'sdefinitely something so.
It'll be interesting tosee if he wins this year.
And to your point, if he doessomething in sports, car and endurance
racing, you know, let's say he getsa couple other championships of
different disciplines under his belt.

(01:43:44):
I think when we jump forward 10 yearsand look back, we're gonna go over stop.
And he might not have eight worldtitles in Formula One like Lewis was
trying to get to, or like Schumacherhad seven and you know, all that.
But I think we're gonna regard him ata similar level as like a Jimmy Clark
or a Sena or some of those, some ofthe greats where we didn't recognize
it at the time, but now when we lookback, we're gonna be like, holy heck,

(01:44:06):
his contract I think goes till 2028.
So if he wins this and he wins the next.
Three seasons, he would haveeight world championships.
He would, but he also, to me, heneeds to win Lama because a lot of
those old time Formula One champions,not Sena, but a lot of, you know,
the Andrettis, the whatevers, theywent off and did other big races.

(01:44:27):
He's gonna go do otherthings he wants to do.
He's all this GT three stuff he'sdoing is 'cause he wants to do the
24 hours of the nerve burger ring.
Yeah.
Once you do that, I'm sure Lamont'sprobably isn't that far behind.
Why wouldn't he?
24 hours of Lamont carries moreweight, you know, on your resume
than 24 hours of the ring does.
No offense to the ring.
'cause it's an awesome thing.
Mm. But in the stratosphere,it's like the Indie 500 Monaco

(01:44:47):
and Lama or the big three.
Right.
They're the triple crown.
Which is funny because Lamont gets allthe attention, but the Nors life is.
10,000 times more difficult.
It is, and it's also 10,000 moretimes difficult to televise.
Well, and that's why it doesn't get thehype it gets, but it's more impressive.
Like if he won first time going tothe basically nerve berg ring Yeah.

(01:45:07):
Kind of deal.
And then he like, wereto win the 24 hours.
Oh my God.
He wants to go there because the ringis available in iRacing and Lama is not.
So that's, that's why,that's what it's all about.
The other thing about him thatI'm liking more is kind of like
paying a little bit more attentionand learning more about him.
Like he really does seem to enjoy allthe racing in all the different kinds.

(01:45:29):
Like I watched that one video where hemade the negative comment about front
wheel drive cars, but like he was goingout test driving the Mustang or all this
stuff and he, he got on track in hisMustang for like the first time and,
and it starts like raining and I meanhe is got complete control of this.
Monster, whatever, r blah, blah, blah.
Huge beast Mustang thing thathe was driving and it's like, he

(01:45:51):
seems like he can maybe get intoany car and learn it quickly.
Yeah.
Like Sena would do.
Yeah.
The same kind of thing.
I don't know.
I'm, I'm hopeful.
I, I too am changing my opinion, althoughsecretly like you, I'm sort of rooting
for Oscar and then sadly I'm cryinginto my Cheerios because of Ferrari.
I mean, what a pathetic.
Ours are terrible.

(01:46:11):
They're so bad.
Everybody else is doing two 15 withthe DRS Open and Ferrari's like 2 0 4.
2 0 4 maybe.
Eh.
And then it's like the DRS opens andthen they go backwards, 180 balls an
hour and it's, it's like, it's awful.
What a mess.
God.
Ferrari, I think they can knowhow to build a formula car.

(01:46:32):
So as we wrap up FormulaOne, it will be mentioned.
Audi, we still don't know.
Well, we do know, but I'm like, I'm reallydisappointed with the driver choices.
Like with Audi, that'sgonna be a wash next year.
Did they say who?
I don't remember.
Who's the second driver?
Holgenburg and I don't know.
Weren't they gonna bring back Schumacher?
I don't think they announcedthe second driver yet.
All we know is it's Hulk converter.
I thought they did and it wassome other German or something

(01:46:54):
like that, or whatever.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
My point is we're gonna gofull mullet with Cadillac.
We're bringing back BOTAs.
That's gonna be awesome.
BOTAs with the bow tie.
Come on.
And then Perez, we're gonna bringback Perez to run with ca. What
do we think about this team up?
Some people would say like, oh,they should be putting the rookies
in, you know, blah, blah, blah.

(01:47:15):
But like, honestly, youhave a brand new team.
The quickest way to get up tospeed is two veteran drivers.
And who, other than, I guessAlonzo didn't wanna move, so
Strolls paying him too much.
So he's, he's holding onfor that newie, he's waiting
Uhhuh for that car from Newie.
Yeah.
So he is sticking there.

(01:47:36):
People poo poo him BOTAs.
But like he did well in Mercedes and maybeyou could argue maybe it was the car.
I don't know.
He has a decent record and I meanPerez was fine when he was in
the Red Bull for the most part.
So there are two veteran seasoneddrivers that know what's going on
and they can help bring the Cadillacteam who are all gonna be rookies.

(01:47:56):
They can help build that team out andthen eventually they'll get replaced.
But we'll see how it goes.
To Tanya's point, like both of thosedrivers, even though they didn't
win the championships, they camefrom championship winning teams.
Yeah, yeah, right.
BOTAs was no slouch when hewas at Alpha Romeo either.
I mean, salur, whatever was right.
So just to make sure I got my factsstraight, Cadillac powered by Ferrari.

(01:48:19):
I think so.
At least until they switchmotors right Beginning.
Yeah.
Man.
How weird is that gonna be?
They might wanna rethink that.
Can they bolt a carburetor on itso it's it's gonna be a tester.
Well, so here's the thing.
A lot of the problems with theFerrari, I don't know if they're
the motor, because a lot of thingsthat you can read, they blame.

(01:48:41):
Maybe this sounds silly.
Also, it's not because if they reallyhave a bunch of problems with the
braking system, if you're wastingtime, early braking and not going in
with good entry and then exit speed,you're never gonna hit the same top.
You just neutered yourself everytime you come out of a corner.
And then if you're fighting the car, whichallegedly is happening with Hamilton,
because these, I don't know, his style ofbraking is not compatible with whatever

(01:49:05):
the hell is going on with the Ferrari.
If this is all true.
Okay.
Allegedly then he's wasting so much time.
He's constantly trying to counterssteer the car because it's
twitchy af through every corner.
And it's like, well how canyou be competitive then?
You're inherently always slow.
So maybe Cadillac stands a chance ifCadillac's doing Arrow Cadillac's doing
suspension, brake, all this stuff, andthen they just have the power plant.

(01:49:28):
Maybe the power plant's decentand the rest of the car is trash.
I feel as though Cadillac stands the samechance in its first year that host does.
If they're on the podium, go.
Yeah, right.
Okay.
That's gonna be impressive.
Then it's really gonna be like Ferrari,what the, are you people doing?
Right.
'cause clearly the motor's fine.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see.
But I'm excited forthe rest of the season.

(01:49:50):
I'm also excited for it to be over.
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Dinner honoring Brian Redmond.
That was pretty cool.
There's a lot of articles andphotographs that you can check out on
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It was wonderful to be ableto participate in that.
I got to meet Brian Redmond.
I got to meet David Hobbs in person, BobVarsa, a bunch of other celebrities and
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So it was a great networkingopportunity and actually I'm kinda
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