December 5, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode of the Ferrari Marketplace Podcast, host William Ross along with special guests Chris Miele from Prancing Horse of Nashville and Sam Murtaugh from Mecum Auctions contribute to the conversation by focusing on the Bachman Collection, a notable assemblage of Ferrari models with exceptionally low mileage. They outline the Ferrari Classiche certification process, emphasize the importance of original components and low-mileage cars, and spotlight several key models from the collection, including the two 288 GTO, multiple F40s, an F50, and the LaFerrari. Miele and Murtaugh provide anecdotes about the collection's owner, Phil Bachman, and his dedication to preserving and maintaining his cars in pristine condition. The podcast anticipates high excitement and strong interest as these prestigious Ferraris go across the auction block at the Mecum Kissimmee auction.
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00:00 Welcome and Guest Introductions 00:50 Discussing the Bachman Collection 03:18 Ferrari Classiche Certification Process 06:38 Spotlight on the 166 MM 07:37 The 275 GTB/4 Alloy Body 09:27 Auction Preparation and Process 11:57 The Unique 400i Manual 15:31 The 288 GTO and F40s; The Story of Two Incredible Cars 21:59 Phil's Journey to Acquire the F50 28:04 The Unique Enzo Ferrari 29:48 Phil's Collection and Memorabilia 34:20 The Passion Behind the Collection 37:58 The Upcoming Auction Event 39:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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(00:00):
As part of Ferrari Fridays, WilliamRoss from the Exotic Car Marketplace
will be discussing all things Ferrariand interviewing people that live
and breathe The Ferrari brand.
Topics range from road cars toracing drivers to owners, as well
as auctions, private sales andtrends in the collector market.
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(00:28):
Hello everyone.
Welcome back to the FerrariMarketplace Podcast.
I'm your host, William Ross.
I want to say hello and thank ChrisNeely from Ping Horse of Nashville
for coming on, being part ofthis, and Sam Murtaugh from Mecu.
Welcome gentlemen.
How are you?
Thanks.
Good to be here.
We did our first episodeon John Shirley's.
Ferrari two 50 GTO.
If you're not familiar with it, I highlyrecommend hitting up Mecca's website.
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We are continuing our conversation herefor the Mecu Kissame auction because
the second half of this chat that we arehaving with Mr. Mely from Prancing Horse
of Nashville and Sam Murtaugh from Mecuis the Bachman collection, which is just
an incredible, incredible collectionof cars of Ferrari specifically.
These are some of the lowestmileage collector blue chip cars.
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The JLo is a very, very favoritecolor of the Bachman family for sure.
But Chris is the one who knowsthese cars very, very well.
He was the one that was instrumentalin getting this all together and
getting mecu all set up, I guessyou could say, with all these cars.
The other cool thing is it's notjust these higher end ones too.
I mean, he's.
Started his love affair with Ferrari.
(01:31):
Started with 3 0 8, correct.
The very first carb wasthe 19 84 3 0 8 GTS.
So obviously he hasthat soft spot for him.
Yeah, there's no doubt how many Three.
There's like three Oh eights.
The three 20 eights and he is got theQuattro valves like, and you don't wanna
say in every man's Ferrari and stuff, butYeah, it's, you know, you have something
price point wise, I guess you could say.
It can fill any spot for somebody.
You know, you have a car that's gonnabe in the low six figure range, but
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you're gonna have stuff that's gonna be.
Seven figures easily.
F 41, 850 miles.
Everyone's got 459 miles, an F50 with under a thousand miles.
Is that gonna break some records?
Who knows?
Oh yeah.
And they have very low mileage.
You know, I would assume that theyservice these things regularly.
'cause a lot of thesehave super low miles.
Yeah, they did.
Actually.
We were fortunate enough toservice some of the cars.
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We opened the dealership in 2022.
We started doing some of theservice work because it was just
logistically closer to them.
And obviously I had a relationship backin the past with Phil and Martha, but
as you know, the years before that, theyhad maintenance that was done on the
cars that the authorized Ferrari dealersthat they picked, and sometimes it was in
Georgia and sometimes it was in Florida.
But the cars were always maintainedat an authorized factory store.
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The dealership itself servicing the cars.
Is there a line older thanthis or do you guys have.
Obviously your techs get certifiedand do a lot of, lot of training.
I mean, do you have like someonespecial that handles the older cars?
Yeah, we have a classic K technicianand that's all he does right now.
Um, he's actually doing thecertification on Dana's four 10 s,
so that was the old Carol Shelbyrace car from the late fifties.
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And, uh, we're actually doingthe certification on that.
So we have cars all the way up to modernday cars that we do certifications on.
I mean right up until, you know,the very early cars of, you
know, what, what Dana's doing.
And then obviously all the way up until,I think the one that we just did through
the shop was, uh, F 12 TDF at 2017.
We just put through, you know, one of thebig things, Chris, in regards to these
cars is the Classifi case certification.
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What can you tell usabout that whole process?
The Ferrari Classifi K certificationprocess is a pretty basic process.
The vehicle has to be at least 20 yearsold or has to be a limited series model,
be fully functioning and have all theoriginal OEM parts, and then it passes
through a pretty rigorous multi-pointinspection by a Ferrari classic K expert.
Then they go ahead and they sendthe package off to the factory.
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The factory approves it, and then by thetime it gets approved, you get what they
always refer to as the red book getssent back to the owner of the vehicle.
That's something that you guys arepraising horse of Nashville, correct?
Yeah, we actually do it.
So like I said, for the vehicle to beeligible has to be 20 years old or a
limited series, and then our techniciangoes through the car and he checks
condition, originality and then, youknow, depending on what type of car it
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is, whether it's a road car, formulaone car, a limited series car, and
that marks it off if it's eligible.
The certification processitself is pretty simple.
It's, uh, inspection.
Like I said, it's amulti-point inspection.
They check all the components.
They check the chassis, the engine,the gearbox, the suspension and
brakes to make sure that it'soriginal to that actual serial number.
If any parts have to be replacedor if they're damaged, they go
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ahead and they get parts thatmatch the original specification.
Even if they have toremanufacture 'em, they will.
If it's a car that's obviously quite old.
And then the certification is upon passingall of this, the inspection, you go
ahead and go through the certificationprocess At the factory, they have a
committee that sits together and theyhave a pretty comprehensive dossier of
the history and specifications of the car.
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And once it's approved, obviouslyyou get certified and you get
that certified stamp and you getthe book that gets sent to you.
And that's like then for the restof the life of the car, is it
something you have to be done every10 years say, or something like that?
You know, they, they recommendthat you do it every so many years.
They say three years, becausehere's what's happening.
A lot of times the cargets sold and resold.
My rule of thumb is this.
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If the car is with the same owner and thecar obviously is lightly used, it's okay.
I mean, if the car obviously getssold, then you're gonna wanna recert
that certification for the new owner.
He's gonna wanna have anupdated certification.
In my way of looking at it.
It's very similar tohaving an appraisal letter.
If you go ahead and you have a home,you get a new appraisal, new owner,
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even though the house was done, you'regonna go ahead and have it set up for
your insurance company or whatever itmay be, and it really helps provide,
God forbid there is ever a loss, it'sfully documented what the car was.
How many of these carshave classic K on them?
On the Bachman collection?
I believe there was 17binders, if I'm not correct.
Sam, is that correct?
It was 17 or 20.
It might have been 17red and three yellow.
Is that right?
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Or three yellow I believe.
Yeah.
Alright.
What's, what's the yellow?
It would be anything thatwas a limited series model.
So you would have,obviously the La Ferrari.
The La Ferrari Perin in the F 12 TDF.
They would've been the carsthat would've been eligible.
I don't think a lot of people realizethat then that, you know, everyone
thinks Red Book, but there's alsothe yellow book that's something new.
Yeah, there's actually a, there'sa red book with a white stripe,
which is for the competition cars,and then there's obviously what
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they call like a tailor made car.
There's actually a gray bookas well, so there's four
different books to be official.
They used to have a white book, butthey replaced it with a different book.
So there's four books now.
Wow.
That's spectacular.
It really is.
At least you know exactly that.
You have something that's authenticadds to the provenance of the car.
That's good to know.
Appreciate that information, Chris.
Good stuff.
But I wanna jump right in.
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We're gonna just hammer into this one.
I wanna start out withthough, is that one six.
Six mm. Because that'sjust an incredible car.
You know, I'm a big lover andaficionado of the earlier era stuff.
What's really cool about thiscar, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Chris, that car is originallydelivered to the United States?
I believe so.
Yeah.
I believe it was a Californiagentleman that had the car originally.
He did quite a bit of racing with it, youknow, he had a lot of fun with it, and
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that's what people did back in that era.
You know, there was a lot of road racingand there were tons of events at that
point in time in the US You hit all thegood ones, I guess you could say back.
It was cool to see that.
And I was a bit surprised.
'cause I mean, back then thatwas kind of a rare thing.
I mean, you had to have some deeppockets to bring a Ferrari over.
'cause I mean, what did, um, Chinettistart being like the importer Like was
that in the early fifties, sixties?
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He raced obviously for many, many years.
He's a two time Lamont winner.
Won it back to back at a closerelationship, obviously with Enzo Ferrari.
And then he came to the States and hewas the distributor and the exact year,
I'd have to look up, but he was at it forjust many, many, many, many, many years.
You know, he was obviously thego-to guy in New York City.
He was the man, that's for sure.
The next one's a very special car,'cause a 2 75 GTB four cam is probably
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one of my all-time favorite Ferraris.
But what makes this car very special?
It's an alloy bodied car.
I'm not sure the totalbuild amount of four cams.
I know it wasn't that many.
How many were alloy bodied cars?
16. 16? That's it.
And that was just for lightness?
Just for racing?
Yeah.
Obviously, yeah.
The lighter it was, obviouslythe quicker you'll go.
Was that something when you would orderthe car, I guess you'd say specified it
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or just kind of like they built it andthen you were, you're lucky to get one?
No, absolutely 100%.
It was something that was orderedspecifically and it took more time
obviously than a steel body car,but there was quite the weight
savings and you know, the lighter theweight, the quicker the car would be.
Uh, it wasn't something that theyjust put off the assembly line.
A lot of the cars werealloy cars earlier on.
You know, as the years went on andtheir production increased, making the
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alloy cars was tougher and tougher.
'cause it is old fashioned metal beating,you know, and they would pound it out.
Did that car leave thefactory in that yellow?
Yes, it did.
It is.
Did that is an original, yeah, itis an original yellow black car.
Wow.
I mean, I, I'm a big fanof the yellow Ferrara.
I mean, that's thing stunning.
Four cams obviously are the onesthat get compared to two cam.
What kind of premium does that add?
Alli body?
I mean, gotta be like 30%.
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No, no, no.
It's definitely, it's more than that.
More than that.
Okay.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
Because a perfect steel body car,the first number, I'll start with a
three, 3.6, 3.7 million, dependingon the provenance on the vehicle,
who did the restoration on it.
And then on the flip side is.
You know, you have one of the 16 alloybody cars and you know, the cars were
driven and they were raced back then.
So, you know, they, some ofthem got a little banged up.
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I mean, obviously they're straight now andthe cars have all been restored, but this
particular car does not have any of that.
When Emiliano Torquer did the inspectionon it, he's the former Ferrari class
CK employee as well as Marco or Rigi.
Both of them were FerrariClassic K employees.
Both of them will tell you thatthe car is probably the finest
example that they've ever seen.
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For Mecu itself, I mean, what wouldyou guys do, you know, when someone's
got such low mileage cars like that, anabundance of several cars, do you have any
requirements or prerequisite saying getservice or do something like that before
you guys will have across the block?
Or is there anything you guys want'em to do special for the cars?
Not necessarily.
I mean, obviously at anauction, typically, you know,
the cars are sold as is.
As we do help buyers with as much as wecan from inspection process and help them
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be able to, you know, look around the car.
Determine what, where they're at,obviously with whatever records there may
be, you know, whether it's a bachman car,any car on the auction for that matter,
just what's there for them to look atand, and make their own assessment of
what they think they're getting into,whether that's gonna require some service
after the fact, or whether it's beenserviced or whatever the case might be.
So there's no requirements.
A car can be sold or offered nomatter it's quote unquote condition.
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Helping to give as much informationto that buyer to be able to do
their due diligence ahead of time.
That's why, you know, we very muchrecommend that you come inspect these
cars in advance and, and do your duediligence ahead of time and get a good
idea what you think you might expect tohave to do after you buy it, if anything.
So that's definitely justpart of the process, right?
When you're buying any car auctionanywhere, we were just speaking about
the uh, 2 75 GT four four cam alloy body.
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I'm always curious 'cause that's sucha special car, but being an alloy
buddy, that's a very delicate car.
How do you guys go aboutpreparing whoever's going to be
handling that car at the auction?
I mean, is there some sort ofspecial people for that or, yeah,
so we've got a designated crew,we call it the collections team,
their role within the organization.
That role is, you know, we've got ourmanagement team within that collections
team, a group of mechanics, detailersdrivers that are dedicated to collections
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like this, like the Bauchman collections.
So it'll be handled by them.
By our collections team.
The display will be in such a way where,you know, people aren't gonna just
be able to glom all over these cars.
They'll be quarantined off, so to speak.
They'll be visible, but then it's the onlypeople they'll be able to access and get
up close and personal will be registeredbidders and they will be, you know,
hosted by team members to be able to kindof guide them through and look at that.
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So it's not just.
Open season, so to speak, where we're justgonna leave a car like that for everybody.
You know?
We'll have over a hundred thousand peoplecome through the gates at Kissimmee
over the course of the entire auction.
So, you know, that's a lot ofpeople, that's a lot of kids,
that's a lot of families.
So, I mean, we have to make surethat we display them and present them
in such a way that that also at thesame time, you know, allows them to
be seed and viewed and appreciated.
Yeah, but also cool thing about AmicaAuctions events and really high level car
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events and car shows for the most part.
Car enthusiast understand theunwritten rules of respect about other
people's cars and property, but youget that many people coming through.
We have to make sure we take the rightprecautions to, to protect cars like that.
Exactly.
I dunno, maybe I'm a just don't realizeit, but of a small minority of a big fan
of the 400 Eyes and the four 12 eyes.
You are.
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I love those cars.
Why?
I don't know.
Just something about it.
I like the shape, everything to it.
There's one crossing the block that's inthis group that looks like from the photos
that cars needs a little more TLC to it.
'cause it looks like it's missedsome panels or is that all gonna be
put back together for the auction?
I think it's gonna bebasically sold as is.
I know that we discussed that wewere gonna try to go ahead and
get it put back together prior to.
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But I just don't think that it, uh, asI say, worked out in the, in the deck.
It doesn't need much.
I can tell you that right now.
For instance, one of our technicianscould have the whole car snap
back together in seven days time.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Seven actual working days.
It's not like it needs something.
And that's, again, that'snot him on high rush.
If I put two guys on it, they couldprobably have the car put back
together in just a couple days.
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But the gentleman that was working onit, I think that's the same time when
Phil was getting quite sick, Marthawas sick and then the gentleman just
stopped working on the car at that time.
She got quite ill in 2023 and uh,she passed obviously in early 24.
Yeah, sad to hear that.
The one other cool thingabout that car is the manual.
Yeah, I know.
It's a very low percentage of thosecars were made with the manual.
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The automatics I alwaysthought was interesting.
It's got a GM three speed in it, butthe small amount of those that were
built in manual makes that much better.
I'm the odd bird.
Yeah.
It's one of five that were produced inthat color combination with a manual
gearbox, and it was one of 388 producedwith a manual transmission out of the
1000 294 400 eyes that were produced.
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So when you really look at it, it'squite a small amount that did have a
manual gearbox, and like I said, one of11 produced in that color combination.
So out of the 1294 total, one of 11.
It is a really special car.
And for somebody that's looking just togo ahead and have a little side project,
it'll be a great, great, great great carand, and the car, honestly, I love the
car because of the color combination,because normally you would see those cars,
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traditionally they're in grays and blues.
Yeah.
And every, occasionallyyou'll see 'em in a black.
You don't really even see 'em inred, you know, even in the earth
tones, you know, you would see 'emin a green, you would see 'em in a
brown, but not really ever in red.
So that makes that car really special.
Yeah.
I think stands out.
It is the last one produced in that colorcombination with a manual transmission.
Wow.
All right.
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In its own way, it's, Sam wassaying it's another one of
these last ones that comes up.
That car in particular, it's,it's an opportunity car, right?
So I mean, it's crossing the block.
The car's there, but it, you know,obviously needs a little bit of finish
work to get everything put back together,but that creates that opportunity, right?
So I mean, like you said, you know,that car really trips your trigger,
the 400 eye and like, but then you seeit's like, well, but it's not done.
But then it's that opportunity of,well hey, maybe I can get a great deal
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on this thing because it's not done.
Typically, it's gonna bringquite a few folks like yourself
that see that opportunity.
Yeah.
The final price tag of that carwill probably surprise you even in
the condition that it's in becauseof it's gonna create so much of
that opportunity desire that,hey, maybe I can get that deal.
And it's obviously.
What we love about the auctionprocess is he brings those people
together in one place and then bidagainst each other for the car.
But every once in a while I see a carlike that where, hey, it's all there.
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But if Chris said it needs, you know,seven, 10 days worth of work by a
couple of texts, you know, havingthat opportunity and some people
like that to be able to say that theyfinished off, they put their DNA on
it, they completed the car themselves,it makes it even more theirs when
they do get that finished product.
And it's kind of fun to see sometimeswhen cars like that do cross the block.
Cool.
Important car, but not quite finished, butthe opportunity is there, which is cool.
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To your point, I think that's gonnasurprise a lot of people in regards
to, I think what that hammer's at.
And plus, you're gonna have somepeople out there probably think,
Hey, I can just do that myself.
Right?
Tweak their own.
Right.
That's right.
Now we're gonna start jumpinginto the heavy hitters.
What's cool with this collection isespecially Fab Five or whatever you
want to call it, having that seriousFerrari collection, it always starts
with what everyone considers thefirst Ferrari supercars, A 2 8 8 GTO.
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Now, this one's spectacular,but the biggest thing is it says
it's got 2007 kilometers, whichis just a hair over 1200 miles.
It's one of the lowest,it's not the lowest.
I know of a few others, obviously,but, and this is the other thing that's
very, very important, this car, it'sa single owner car, whereas a lot
of the other ones that you see thatare floating around, they've had 5,
6, 7 owners and they bounce between.
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Especially the European carswent from Belgium To France.
Yeah.
To Germany, back toItaly or what have you.
Not that I'm questioning it, but everytime that they fill out those odometer
statements in other places, way backin the day, there was a little bit
of a penmanship that went into it.
This one, it's the originalcar, original owner.
To find an original owner, onereally, really, really makes it more
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of a unicorn than anything else.
It makes it to me, one of the mostspecial ones that I've ever seen.
What options does that have on it?
Because there weren't that many youcould get on that car, but I know
there's a few that are pretty rare.
So that car has three of the optionsout of the four that were offered.
The leather seats were one of them.
A lot of people lookfor the desired inserts.
This car did not have the inserts.
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It has power windows and it has the ac.
Well, not that many hadair conditioning either.
Radio, delete, that's what it has.
The radio delete.
It was usually a lot of people wentahead and the radio was an option.
This the car with that specialluggage too, isn't it, Chris?
Yeah.
So that car in particular, therewas only four or five cars that
were produced with a secondary bag.
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So originally Kel Reto, whowas a former farmer, one driver
for Ferrari, he came to Edon.
He was looking for a very small bag tofit in the car, just to put, you know,
an overnight pair of slacks or shirt orsomething, but something to carry in a
hotel and not walk in with a plastic bag.
So they created this one bag, thiscalled the secondary smaller luggage bag.
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They only made it for four or five people.
And this particular car has it.
I've never seen the bag ever.
Other than one other car, which Isaw at Catalina a few years ago, but
I've never seen it with anyone else.
And the bag alone is super,super, super special.
Oh God, yeah.
Tacular.
Mm-hmm.
Getting like that just adds to theprovenance in that car rarity alone, but
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just the options and not having that bagwith it just makes it stand up from Molly,
I guess You say all the other ones and.
To your point, I think therewas only the one I was aware
of too that had lower miles.
But I mean, it's just oneowner that kind of kicks off.
Jumping into the super hypercar basicallyhas the same engine as the F 40.
Very similar.
Now there's not one, there's twotwo F Fortys in this collection.
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They're gonna be going across the block.
They're super unique.
One's got 850 some miles.
It always got 459 miles.
So in 1992 for the USmarket, Ferrari made 60 cars.
And then out of the 60, a lot of peoplesay which cars were made in calendar
year 1992, and that was the final 24.
So there really isn't many that were made.
One of these cars was produced incalendar year 1992, and the other
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one was produced in late 91, butthey're both 1992 at forties.
Like I said, there was 60 produced.
The one that has 456 miles.
That car was a factory delivery.
It has the EE plates on it.
You know, as Phil went ahead and receivedthe car, and that car actually has
the original per LEP zero tires thatwere, um, most of the European cars.
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His US model actually has those on it.
The other car has.
The Goodyear Gs A, which weresuper, super rare and you know,
you can't find them today.
So these cars, for guys that arelooking to show the car as original
Belli stopped producing this versionof the tire years ago, as did Goodyear.
Goodyear stopped producing them.
So when people see them at shows andthey say, look, this car's original for
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the guys that really know, they knowbecause all the F forties look pretty
much the same, obviously they're all red.
Yeah.
And they're all red interior.
Exactly.
You know, you have the originaltires like that on there.
What would you do to maintain thosetires to be able to utilize them?
I mean, obviously you're climate controland that stuff, but what else can you
do with those tires so you can roll itaround on 'em so they don't deteriorate?
So what Phil and Martha did, you know,a lot of times, like when you put tire
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conditioners and different products likethat, a lot of times they'll dry up the
rubber on the car and they knew that.
So that's why when you would see the cars,the cars would not have any tire shine.
I'm sure, Sam, you noticedthat when we were there?
Mm-hmm.
The cars weren't all dazzled up with allthat super shiny stuff on 'em because they
knew that that eventually would get intothe rubber and start to break it down.
And if a tire was gonna go outtaproduction, I know we're gonna be bringing
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the tires and wheels to the auction.
They went ahead and they would say, Hey,this tire's gonna go outta production.
Let's go buy an extra set or two.
And sure enough, they have, you know, theextra rubber that, oh wow, they bought for
some of these cars, which is non-existent.
You know, you just reallycan't find that stuff.
I mean, that's incredible.
I mentioned earlier that the wholecollection's going bang, bang, bang,
bang across the block, one after other.
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Was there any conversation of likemaybe separating those two just
because of the low mileage and thatChris was involved with that as well?
I mean, it's, you know, no easy feat.
We had multiple conversations withChris and Dana and everyone that was
to set these 48 cars in order and youknow, what order do you put 'em in?
Obviously there's no handbook to that.
Right.
And how do you space that outand make sure that, whether it's
guys after specific cars, youwanna make sure that they have.
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Time in between what they're after.
And you gotta take all thesedifferent things into consideration
when you're setting an order.
And we took our time and, and thoughtit through and, you know, the order
that they'll end up being, which we haveis done in such a way where we think
it gives everybody the opportunity tobe able to focus on certain things.
And there's no super magic sauce to howit's done other than the fact that, you
know, taking, like you said, I mean,do you put these two cars back to back?
Probably doesn't make much sense.
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You're gonna spread 'em out just alittle bit so that if, if there is
somebody that wants to try and comeafter both of them, that gives them
an opportunity to sort of reset and.
Go after 'em.
That's a good point.
I could see one buyer goingafter both of them potentially.
Yeah, absolutely.
To mention too, I, you know, wetalked about with the 2 88 GTO,
but both these F forties againordered new by Phil and Martha.
Yeah.
One owner F 42 of them.
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So, I mean, you're kind of three ina row with, you know, these cars.
It's, to me that's mind blowing.
I mean, you know, just like we saidwith the 2 88 to find one with one
owner, most of 'em have six, seven,bounced around all over the place.
Same with these cars.
Yeah, same thing.
The fact that one would be incredibleto have two in the same with, you
know, the same owner, one owner.
It's kind of mind boggling.
I don't think we'll see it again.
In all honestly, it's anincredible opportunity.
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Bill was so hell bent onwanting to make sure he got one.
I think he was working, correctme if I'm wrong, Chris, but he was
kind of working two angles at thesame time to ensure that he got one.
Then they both kind of came to fruition.
Then he just decided, well, Iguess I'm gonna have two, and
decided not to give one up.
They kept both allocations and got 'emboth done and put 'em both in the garage
was, you know, to me that story was,I just never heard anything like that.
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That was pretty awesome.
Best story, honestly, is, uh, the one thathe really wanted initially was the F 50.
Yeah.
The story.
Phil went to the factory andgot in town a little bit early.
So usually when he would travel,he would travel, you know, t-shirt,
jeans, you know, just good oldboy from eastern Tennessee.
And it was the summertime and he went outthere, he took a flight and he got there.
And he got there a little bit earlyand he was checking in the hotel
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right down the road and he was drivingby the factory and he saw somebody.
And you know, they said, well,why don't you just come on in?
And he was like, ah, youknow, I just got here.
And they said, yeah, don't worry about it.
Come on in.
Somebody else apparentlywalked in the room.
They saw him and they made a comment.
They said, you know,next time you come here.
You better make sure that you have asport jacket on and a suit and tie.
And he was always buttoned up.
He was really tight.
Phil was, you know, if you lookat all the photos and the videos,
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he was always looking super sharp.
So Simone said, uh, that set him offand he said, that's it, I'm done.
So he had a little bit of a war withhim and you could see when it was.
'cause it was the F 50 and 95.
It was the F five 12 M, and 95,and he didn't get another car
until 99 with the 3 55 fiorano.
So there was a few years thathe basically didn't purchase
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any cars new at that point.
Eventually he went back out and hefound those cars because people always
said, well, why is this one not yellow?
Or, why did the yellow F five12 M have 5,000 miles on it?
I said, that's because hepicked up that car secondary.
But the one that sold thispast summer at Pebble.
That would've been his car, the final one.
Number 75.
Outta 75.
Really?
That would've been his car.
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Yeah, because he was always getting,you know, the last ones at that point,
you know, and then it, it kind of tooklike a shape of its own, you know, he
started, you know, after that you couldsee it with every other car after that,
the Fiorano, the five 50 Barta, it wasthe last one for the us, you know, and
you could just start to see the patternon how we started to get the cars.
So it, uh, actually openedsomething new up after that.
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Now you, you mentioned F 50, that'sthe next one I wanna get into.
I know this is of interest for everybody.
'cause other than Ralph Lauren'sthat just went, this one with only
251 miles on it is incredible.
Yeah, it really is for what's goingon in the market with those cars.
I mean, those things have just gonethrough the roof, so to speak in the past.
Would you say 24 months they have shot up?
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Incredibly.
Yeah.
Really natural aspirated manual V 12.
I mean, it just checks all the boxes.
I mean, it's just incredible.
You know, only 251 miles.
One owner.
Yeah.
This one's actually multiple owners.
Oh, it is?
Because he purchased this carfrom me, Ian Poulter, and Ian
was the second owner of the car.
Nonetheless.
Usually what happens is, you know,obviously Ferrari announced the
F 80, which is the next car inthe sequence of the supercars.
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Usually what happens is every timethat they announce one of those cars,
and it's generally speaking, every 10years, you had 85 with the GTO and then,
and it was, uh, obviously 87 is whenthey announced the F 40, and then it
went to 95 and then it went to 2013.
As time went on, it'susually about every 10 years.
Then the LA Ferrariand so on and so forth.
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So here we are, the F eighty'sout when that happens.
Generally speaking, a lot of thesepeople, the big collectors guys that
are new to it, they say, well, you know,you called it the Fab Five earlier.
Guys say, I want to get all of them.
Sure enough.
They want to jump on and they say,okay, I want to get all, all the cars.
And then they start tofind, I want the best ones.
And that's why this Bachmancollection is really unique because
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what Sam said is exactly the deal.
You're gonna see two F fiftiesor two f forties in a sale maybe.
But to see 'em from the originalowner with that kind of mileage, I, I
don't think it's gonna happen again.
I really don't.
I mean, and, and I've beendoing this a pretty long time.
I've never seen these kind ofcars with this type of mileage.
And then the uniqueness of the colors.
The uniqueness of the options, obviouslythe cars were meticulously maintained.
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Uh, I don't think you'reever gonna see it again.
I really don't.
Sam, I'm sure the scuttlebutt youguys have been receiving has been that
one person trying to go after a lotof these cars at one crack is you're
not gonna get this opportunity again.
But this gets you the best of the best.
You guys have had to have some inquiriesabout, Hey, I think one person's
gonna just wrap these things up.
I, I mean, yeah, the interest hasbeen incredible, as you might imagine.
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I mean, as soon as we announced it, Imean, the, the emails and phone calls
coming into folks getting registeredto make sure that they don't miss.
The chance to be a part of it and,and get their hands on things has been
from day one when we first made theannouncement and, and just steady through.
I mean, it's, it's been great.
I mean, obviously I think Ferraricollectors, collectors in general just
are realizing the uniqueness of thisopportunity and the, and the fact that
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opportunities like this to Chris'spoint, are probably not gonna present
themselves anytime soon, if ever again,especially with some of these cars.
I mean, a one owner F forties,the one owner, two 80 HETO,
I mean that this could be it.
I mean, and to have this manyincredible cars and this, these types of
conditions in one place to be able to.
Come take your pick.
I mean, it's, it's, the other great thingis if you look on the website, these are
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all going off one right after another.
Yeah.
So that's gonna be an incredible threehours, maybe four hours of just blue chip,
blue chip, blue chip went after there.
So I mean, I mean, that's gonna besome exciting times in a room For sure.
And there's really no lead up.
It's gonna be a heck of a week.
Yeah.
I mean, whoever is gonna be uprunning the show with the hammer's
gonna have a heck of a time.
That's a career moment.
I mean, oh, that's all these in a row.
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I mean, that person's justgotta be ecstatic because that's
just gonna be unbelievable.
No, it's fun.
I mean, and you know, our auctioneerteam is to that point, I mean, these guys
absolutely 120000000% love what they do.
And, and they get so jazzed and energizedby proud enthusiasm and bidding enthusiasm
and seeing, you know, what they're doingin their craft and, and, and help these
folks get their hands on these carsand helping be a part of that process.
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Is really what drives these guys, andthey're talking to them about what's
coming up in Kissimmee for everythingwe've got going on between, you know, with
the two 50 GTO, the Bachman cars here,and this is probably one of the, one of,
if not the greatest lineup of vehiclesthat we've ever had in Kissimmee, Florida
by far to see it all coming together is.
Pretty special.
It's already a specialmoment in the moment.
It has even happened yet, so I can't evenimagine what it's gonna be like in the
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moment live and when it's all unfolding,it's gonna be pretty incredible.
You're gonna have all thoseemotions, excitement, anxiety,
everything, all of it.
'cause it's just gonna be all, Imean, it's just gonna be incredible.
You know?
I, and I've been telling people, if yougot a way to get there, you need to go
to kiss me in January to be part of this.
'cause it's just gonna be incredible.
I mean, just the atmosphere, everything,the energy is gonna be unbelievable.
Yeah.
I mean, I can't wait.
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It's gonna be exciting.
Yeah.
Getting into rarity.
We're gonna talk about the Enzo.
I would have to gather.
That's the only one madewith that color combo.
No, it actually isn't.
Really?
Yeah.
There was another one that was made,but this car was originally left.
The factory came off the assemblyline with black interior.
Phil wanted this other style,red Daytona seats, so they were
installed at the factory and there'sphotos of the car coming off the
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assembly line with the black seats.
The car comes with both sets ofseats in the delivery room with the
red seats, so they swap them out.
So that was for homologation purposes.
But this car has some really uniquefeatures that no other Enzo I've
ever seen that has, it has the enginebrace struts in the engine bay.
They're both polished.
The lower body color, usually onthe very bottom of all the cars.
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They had like a black trim.
Yeah.
That went all the way around.
The lower trim and the, therear diffuser panel, it has the
Enzo Ferrari signature badge.
I've only seen about fiveor six cars that have that.
It's really a unique one.
In Jello for the US there were11, there was 36 cars produced
globally, but 11 for the us.
That's incredible.
I mean, I mentionedbefore, I, I love the Jalo.
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I mean, the yellow is fantastic, buthaving that red interior, I mean,
that just really makes that pop.
And again, one owner, 645 miles,again, that's just, you don't see it.
And again, to your point, youknow, usually a lot of these
have multiple owners, right?
Yeah.
The opportunity therefor one owner that's.
Magnificent in itself and just thedemand for that's gonna be incredible.
I mean, it's just insane.
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Phil was at the factory and actuallygot, they suited him up in, on
the production line for this car.
This is the one, didn't it, Chris?
Where they, yeah.
Got to kind of turn a wrench on thefinal stages of the build for the car.
So they got, there's a picture of him witha, wearing a full suit in the factory,
putting a bolt in the bottom of the car.
It was, it's pretty cool.
I think he's probably the only onethat's ever had a chance to do that.
Yeah, I'd imagine.
Yeah.
You know, you mentioned the photo withhim wrenching outta the line stuff.
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Is there some cool items thatare coming along with these cars?
Like for the next caretaker?
Yeah.
Well there was a book that on the lotof the later cars that Phil picked
up and he did a European delivery,there was what they call a photo book.
So the delivery sales department,they would go ahead and provide a
book and it was manufactured from sed.
Everyone got it.
And they probably did at thatpoint in time, I don't know,
maybe like 30 deliveries a month.
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And people would go to the factory, pickup their car, they would get a beautiful
book, they would take the photos, theywould have a professional photographer
there, and they'd give this book to you.
So remember years ago, back then,the digital photos that we see
today, you know, they weren'treally what they are today.
You would actually get anold fashioned photo book.
And Phil has a photo bookfor lots of the cars.
And if you look at all thephotos, you'll see the same thing.
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You see PB growing.
Their son 'cause he was gettingsmaller and growing, growing, growing.
See Phil and Martha, and then yousee Simone, he was in all the photos.
So when you go throughit, it's kind of unique.
So you get that and then you know, everycar comes with its original stuff, what
I call all the tchotchke stuff, thelittle instruction pamphlets and all
these little things, which as time goeson, people take 'em and they're like,
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ah, I don't need this little brochure,I don't need this little pamphlet.
And they toss it.
Phil and Martha saved everything.
When I tell you.
Everything, everything.
So there's just so much stuff.
I mean, that's what I'mgonna call it, is stuff.
There's just so much stuffthat comes with every car.
It's amazing.
It's, you know, and itbrings back memories.
Even for me, there was these littlestatic stickers that I would stick on
onto the windshield about a missions.
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People would peel those right off.
You know when you get in your new car?
Yeah.
There's like a, a sticker aboutan airbag or whatever it may
be, and people pull that off.
They don't save it.
They throw it in the trash.
He saved it.
He has everything.
You name it, they have it.
That's what makes thiscollection really unique.
And obviously, you know, we mentionedit multiple, multiple times, but it's
a car that has an original owner.
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So to have an original owner on carsgoing away back to 84, even if he started
buying cars when he was 30 years old,you know, obviously he do the math.
I mean, he'd be in his seventies today.
So Phil was pretty successful andhe started buying cars quite early.
He saved everything.
And since he was a car dealer,he knew to save a lot of that
stuff, whereas most people didn't.
And then as the years went on, asthey started to show the cars and
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take 'em to Concor events, they'dbreak out that stuff and people would
be just amazed that they had everylittle pamphlet, every little sticker.
You name it, he would peel off the stickerthat was, you know, on the adhesive.
He put it on like a nice little backerand save it and he'd say, look, here's
all the original stickers that came onthe airbag or came here or came there.
He has everything.
That's incredible, Sam, that had tobeen kind of, I mean, you guys have
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archivists and everything like thattoo, 'cause you guys also deal in roia.
However you pronounce the word.
That had been kind of interesting for youguys as well to whoever's going through
it all to see all this material like that.
'cause you don't ever see that.
So it was a big task.
It's still ongoing a little bit rightnow, but just making sure that we make
sure that we've got everything thatbelongs to the car, goes with the car.
So to make sure that newowner gets that stuff.
But also in addition to all the cars and,and all the things he saved, as Chris was
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mentioned, he also was, would collect.
Stuff, tchotchkes, Ferrari relatedmemorabilia, things like that.
So his garage was full of that stuff.
So, you know, going through andmaking sure we determine, you know,
okay this award belongs to this caror this piece goes with this car.
But then also to figure out what wasjust general collected merchandise
to make sure that we have that.
Inventory properly.
'cause we'll also be sellingthat stuff off the following day.
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On Sunday, we'll sell the memorabiliathat was the decor that was in his
garage, you know, Ferrari light upsigns and you know, flags and banners,
posters, things like that that werejust there as you know, as any car guy
would decorate his his garage with.
So we'll have some of that as well.
So having to go through carefullyand calculatedly to, to make sure
that we've got everything sortedcorrectly and what belongs to a
card that needs to go along with it.
And all that.
So yeah, it's been some work to do,but those are always fun projects to
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be able to, you know, the discovery,you're kind of like an archeologist
in that regard and you know,looking and discovering new things.
And Chris and I were there lastmonth and Chris kind of blew my mind
with just his photographic memoryof all things in tchotchke Ferrari.
And I might drive by this little medallionand not think anything of it, but then.
Chris will gimme this backstoryabout how unique this little pin is.
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And for me as a, as a, as a carenthusiast myself, you know, I see
thousands of cars all year long atall these different events we do.
And, you know, it's, it's,it's work and it's a job.
And if some of it becomes numb, butthen every once in a while you, you
learn something new And it reallytrips my trigger and reminds me of
how much of a car enthusiast I am.
Cool.
Some of these stories are thata little two inch by two inch
medallion that's got a backstorycan be a really fun thing to learn.
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As kind of nerdy as that sounds, there's,there's so much of that going on in inside
the Bachman's garage was pretty amazing.
Amazing stuff wasn't like thesethings were mass produced.
Keeping all that stuff or collecting itand finding it, it's just huge in itself.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward toseeing that as well.
You know, what was hisintent buying these cars?
I mean.
Obviously he didn't drive them ormaybe he drove them half a mile a year.
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Was it more just a passion?
'cause they're just gorgeous cars?
What was the thinking behind,Hey, I wanna buy this, but then
I'm gonna keep the mileage low?
When I would speak to PB aboutit, you know, he understood, you
know, and obviously he had quitea number of cars as the years
went on, so he can spread it out.
If he wanted to drive hisFerrari, he had 46 of them in
the drive at one point in time.
But you know, he understood what itmeant from an authenticity standpoint.
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You know, Phil got intodoing the Corvette stuff.
He did the Bloomington Gold stuff,and he understood that a car that
was dead original and had super lowmiles, the value was gonna be even
that much more so as a car dealer.
He said, Hey look, wehave to exercise the cars.
We have to go ahead and use them somewhat.
We just can't let 'em sit.
So they weren't maintained properly andthey were used from time to time, hence.
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How did this car get four or five, 600miles over the years, but 20 plus years.
And even if you take the car out for amile or two a month, 25 miles a year,
over 10 years, it's 250 miles over.
You know, it just adds up.
People don't think it's much, butthat's how it starts to add up.
He really didn't drive 'em much,but he did take 'em out from time to
time and that's why some cars havea little bit more miles than others.
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But I think the real big dealwas the FXX when he had the FX.
That was like his chance to really getout there and really run some miles.
And he ran 'em and he went to all theevents, has all the stickers of all the
events that he participated in, and hereally had a blast and he enjoyed it.
Unfortunately, Phil got sickand had a stroke in early 2011.
That was his first stroke, and thenhe had another one after that, so
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he wasn't able to compete anymore.
But when the program came out in, oh.
And all the way through.
I think he was superactive through oh nine.
He was doing a lot of the events,I mean a real lot of the events
and he was really enjoying life.
Good for him.
That's great to hear.
I mean that those FX Xare just insane cars.
It's cool that he exercised 'em,utilized what it was made for.
Really awesome to see.
And what about like thechallenge cars and stuff as well?
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I mean, did those onesjust kind of a sip more?
Was the FX X the only one?
He really kind of went out andI guess they had some fun with
the Hena Race Ferrari Challenge.
So Challenge Rad is a roadversion of the Challenge Car.
He had two different ones.
There's a green one in the collectionand obviously the yellow one.
He put a little bit of miles onthose cars, but again, not many.
Very, very few.
We talk about the LA Ferraris, the Parata,and the coop again in unique colors.
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How rare are the colors onbuild numbers for those cars?
They're both specked out spectacularly.
They're both really, really unique.
The two most unique cars, in myopinion, in the collection are
obviously the 5 9 9 SA apta.
The 5 9 9 GTO.
But to your point, you knowthe car that you pointed out
plus the 4 58 Fish Alley Upta.
But towards the end, you know,like I said, I mentioned it
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when we were doing the video.
He was kind of the pioneer on alot of this stuff that went on.
It was just really, reallyneat stuff that he did.
The exact number of the Jalo, triStrato, which is a triple layer paint,
which is on the La Ferrari apta.
They made 210 of those cars, thatcar's got the black interior.
Obviously on the other car, on the LaFerrari, it was one of approximately
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500 produced, and they, uh, producedabout 150 for the us But it's a
super, super, super unique car.
Really, really, really unique car.
I mean they both are.
To kind of wrap this up a littlebit, you touched on the Ali apta
and uh, the 16 M as well in value.
Been crazy the past couple years justbecause the last natural aspect of
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V eight Sam, you guys have probablyseen a lot of interest, I wanna
say from a younger generation.
You know, you're gonna have a lotmore youthful interest in regards to
these cars coming towards the end justbecause of how, you know, what they are.
You guys anticipate, I don't wannasay younger, but different demographic
going after maybe those cars.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean, we're already seeing it too.
And if the inquiries that we'rehaving, obviously, you know, collecting
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cars is a, is a generational hobby.
And you know, the folks,they're after nostalgia.
What they remembered when they were young.
When I mean young meaning when you starteddriving cars and you started getting into
it and what you aspired to acquire, right?
Or what you wish you couldhave, but you had no money.
At the time, there's alot of that going on.
So definitely young in the down and,and by young, I mean, that could be,
you know, thirties and forties young.
I mean, there's not a lot of18 year olds coming out of the
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woodwork for the cars, per se.
Yeah, well there could be certainlywith how the world works today.
But yeah, definitely younger generations,you know, coming after these cars.
I mean, myself personally, you know,I'm 47 or I don't think I'm 48 now.
You know, the, the F forties, the two80 GTO, you know, in high school, those
were the ones I was drooling over.
That's the, you know, I had apicture of a two 80 GTO on my wall
in my room, you know, growing up.
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So.
Don't do the trophy cards from my era.
Right.
So like, you know, guys in their,in their forties are coming at those
things hard where, you know, evenyou get into the later model stuff
and it just keeps getting younger.
But in, you know, the one thing aboutFerrari, whether it's the two 80 GTO
or the 2019 TDF, whatever, anythingin between, I mean, those cars really
just transcend across all generations.
Period.
End of story.
All the way back to, you know, evengoing back to that 67 alloy car I,
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the Ferrari brand is appreciatedso much deeper than most that, and
that's really interesting to me that.
You know, the appreciation, whetheryou're 75 years old or 25 years old,
I think it really runs the gamut.
But to answer your question directly,we are absolutely seeing an influx of
a slightly younger demographic comingin, getting ready to, to bid on these
cars and to, like we were talking aboutearlier, I think it's gonna be a bit
of a frenzy in the room and, and atthe time, and, you know, whether, if
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you're not interested in buying themor you can't afford one just yet.
To be there on site and watchthis whole thing unfold is gonna
be a spectacular spectacle.
I agree.
And on that note, we could talk forhours 'cause there's so many special
cars in this collection, you know, notjust the one we kind of went in depth on.
I mean, it just, it's an unbelievablecollection and you know, you don't have
to be a purchaser or a buyer to enjoythis and especially be part of the action.
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You got the wherewithal you canget to me, kiss me in January.
I think you definitelyneed to be there because.
You're gonna have several hours of justFerrari love going across that block
and you're gonna see some great action.
It's gonna be spectacular.
I can't wait.
I'm very, very excited for that.
So I wanna thank you guys for coming on.
I really appreciate that.
We'll see you guys down and kiss me.
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I'm sure.
Chris, you know we mentioned before he'sgonna have a special guest potentially
coming down there too, so we'll see.
Bye guys.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
And remember, guys, hit thatlike and subscribe button and uh,
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As part of Ferrari Fridays, WilliamRoss from the Exotic Car Marketplace
will be discussing all things Ferrariand interviewing people that live
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Topics range from road cars toracing drivers to owners, as well
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Never, never.
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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to the FerrariMarketplace Podcast.
I'm your host, William Ross.
I want to say hello and thank ChrisNeely from Ping Horse of Nashville
for coming on, being part ofthis, and Sam Murtaugh from Mecu.
Welcome gentlemen.
How are you?
Thanks.
Good to be here.
We did our first episodeon John Shirley's.
Ferrari two 50 GTO.
If you're not familiar with it, I highlyrecommend hitting up Mecca's website.
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We are continuing our conversation herefor the Mecu Kissame auction because
the second half of this chat that we arehaving with Mr. Mely from Prancing Horse
of Nashville and Sam Murtaugh from Mecuis the Bachman collection, which is just
an incredible, incredible collectionof cars of Ferrari specifically.
These are some of the lowestmileage collector blue chip cars.
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The JLo is a very, very favoritecolor of the Bachman family for sure.
But Chris is the one who knowsthese cars very, very well.
He was the one that was instrumentalin getting this all together and
getting mecu all set up, I guessyou could say, with all these cars.
The other cool thing is it's notjust these higher end ones too.
I mean, he's.
Started his love affair with Ferrari.
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Started with 3 0 8, correct.
The very first carb wasthe 19 84 3 0 8 GTS.
So obviously he hasthat soft spot for him.
Yeah, there's no doubt how many Three.
There's like three Oh eights.
The three 20 eights and he is got theQuattro valves like, and you don't wanna
say in every man's Ferrari and stuff, butYeah, it's, you know, you have something
price point wise, I guess you could say.
It can fill any spot for somebody.
You know, you have a car that's gonnabe in the low six figure range, but
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you're gonna have stuff that's gonna be.
Seven figures easily.
F 41, 850 miles.
Everyone's got 459 miles, an F50 with under a thousand miles.
Is that gonna break some records?
Who knows?
Oh yeah.
And they have very low mileage.
You know, I would assume that theyservice these things regularly.
'cause a lot of thesehave super low miles.
Yeah, they did.
Actually.
We were fortunate enough toservice some of the cars.
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We opened the dealership in 2022.
We started doing some of theservice work because it was just
logistically closer to them.
And obviously I had a relationship backin the past with Phil and Martha, but
as you know, the years before that, theyhad maintenance that was done on the
cars that the authorized Ferrari dealersthat they picked, and sometimes it was in
Georgia and sometimes it was in Florida.
But the cars were always maintainedat an authorized factory store.
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The dealership itself servicing the cars.
Is there a line older thanthis or do you guys have.
Obviously your techs get certifiedand do a lot of, lot of training.
I mean, do you have like someonespecial that handles the older cars?
Yeah, we have a classic K technicianand that's all he does right now.
Um, he's actually doing thecertification on Dana's four 10 s,
so that was the old Carol Shelbyrace car from the late fifties.
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And, uh, we're actually doingthe certification on that.
So we have cars all the way up to modernday cars that we do certifications on.
I mean right up until, you know,the very early cars of, you
know, what, what Dana's doing.
And then obviously all the way up until,I think the one that we just did through
the shop was, uh, F 12 TDF at 2017.
We just put through, you know, one of thebig things, Chris, in regards to these
cars is the Classifi case certification.
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What can you tell usabout that whole process?
The Ferrari Classifi K certificationprocess is a pretty basic process.
The vehicle has to be at least 20 yearsold or has to be a limited series model,
be fully functioning and have all theoriginal OEM parts, and then it passes
through a pretty rigorous multi-pointinspection by a Ferrari classic K expert.
Then they go ahead and they sendthe package off to the factory.
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The factory approves it, and then by thetime it gets approved, you get what they
always refer to as the red book getssent back to the owner of the vehicle.
That's something that you guys arepraising horse of Nashville, correct?
Yeah, we actually do it.
So like I said, for the vehicle to beeligible has to be 20 years old or a
limited series, and then our techniciangoes through the car and he checks
condition, originality and then, youknow, depending on what type of car it
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is, whether it's a road car, formulaone car, a limited series car, and
that marks it off if it's eligible.
The certification processitself is pretty simple.
It's, uh, inspection.
Like I said, it's amulti-point inspection.
They check all the components.
They check the chassis, the engine,the gearbox, the suspension and
brakes to make sure that it'soriginal to that actual serial number.
If any parts have to be replacedor if they're damaged, they go
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ahead and they get parts thatmatch the original specification.
Even if they have toremanufacture 'em, they will.
If it's a car that's obviously quite old.
And then the certification is upon passingall of this, the inspection, you go
ahead and go through the certificationprocess At the factory, they have a
committee that sits together and theyhave a pretty comprehensive dossier of
the history and specifications of the car.
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And once it's approved, obviouslyyou get certified and you get
that certified stamp and you getthe book that gets sent to you.
And that's like then for the restof the life of the car, is it
something you have to be done every10 years say, or something like that?
You know, they, they recommendthat you do it every so many years.
They say three years, becausehere's what's happening.
A lot of times the cargets sold and resold.
My rule of thumb is this.
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If the car is with the same owner and thecar obviously is lightly used, it's okay.
I mean, if the car obviously getssold, then you're gonna wanna recert
that certification for the new owner.
He's gonna wanna have anupdated certification.
In my way of looking at it.
It's very similar tohaving an appraisal letter.
If you go ahead and you have a home,you get a new appraisal, new owner,
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even though the house was done, you'regonna go ahead and have it set up for
your insurance company or whatever itmay be, and it really helps provide,
God forbid there is ever a loss, it'sfully documented what the car was.
How many of these carshave classic K on them?
On the Bachman collection?
I believe there was 17binders, if I'm not correct.
Sam, is that correct?
It was 17 or 20.
It might have been 17red and three yellow.
Is that right?
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Or three yellow I believe.
Yeah.
Alright.
What's, what's the yellow?
It would be anything thatwas a limited series model.
So you would have,obviously the La Ferrari.
The La Ferrari Perin in the F 12 TDF.
They would've been the carsthat would've been eligible.
I don't think a lot of people realizethat then that, you know, everyone
thinks Red Book, but there's alsothe yellow book that's something new.
Yeah, there's actually a, there'sa red book with a white stripe,
which is for the competition cars,and then there's obviously what
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they call like a tailor made car.
There's actually a gray bookas well, so there's four
different books to be official.
They used to have a white book, butthey replaced it with a different book.
So there's four books now.
Wow.
That's spectacular.
It really is.
At least you know exactly that.
You have something that's authenticadds to the provenance of the car.
That's good to know.
Appreciate that information, Chris.
Good stuff.
But I wanna jump right in.
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We're gonna just hammer into this one.
I wanna start out withthough, is that one six.
Six mm. Because that'sjust an incredible car.
You know, I'm a big lover andaficionado of the earlier era stuff.
What's really cool about thiscar, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Chris, that car is originallydelivered to the United States?
I believe so.
Yeah.
I believe it was a Californiagentleman that had the car originally.
He did quite a bit of racing with it, youknow, he had a lot of fun with it, and
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that's what people did back in that era.
You know, there was a lot of road racingand there were tons of events at that
point in time in the US You hit all thegood ones, I guess you could say back.
It was cool to see that.
And I was a bit surprised.
'cause I mean, back then thatwas kind of a rare thing.
I mean, you had to have some deeppockets to bring a Ferrari over.
'cause I mean, what did, um, Chinettistart being like the importer Like was
that in the early fifties, sixties?
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He raced obviously for many, many years.
He's a two time Lamont winner.
Won it back to back at a closerelationship, obviously with Enzo Ferrari.
And then he came to the States and hewas the distributor and the exact year,
I'd have to look up, but he was at it forjust many, many, many, many, many years.
You know, he was obviously thego-to guy in New York City.
He was the man, that's for sure.
The next one's a very special car,'cause a 2 75 GTB four cam is probably
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one of my all-time favorite Ferraris.
But what makes this car very special?
It's an alloy bodied car.
I'm not sure the totalbuild amount of four cams.
I know it wasn't that many.
How many were alloy bodied cars?
16. 16? That's it.
And that was just for lightness?
Just for racing?
Yeah.
Obviously, yeah.
The lighter it was, obviouslythe quicker you'll go.
Was that something when you would orderthe car, I guess you'd say specified it
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or just kind of like they built it andthen you were, you're lucky to get one?
No, absolutely 100%.
It was something that was orderedspecifically and it took more time
obviously than a steel body car,but there was quite the weight
savings and you know, the lighter theweight, the quicker the car would be.
Uh, it wasn't something that theyjust put off the assembly line.
A lot of the cars werealloy cars earlier on.
You know, as the years went on andtheir production increased, making the
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alloy cars was tougher and tougher.
'cause it is old fashioned metal beating,you know, and they would pound it out.
Did that car leave thefactory in that yellow?
Yes, it did.
It is.
Did that is an original, yeah, itis an original yellow black car.
Wow.
I mean, I, I'm a big fanof the yellow Ferrara.
I mean, that's thing stunning.
Four cams obviously are the onesthat get compared to two cam.
What kind of premium does that add?
Alli body?
I mean, gotta be like 30%.
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No, no, no.
It's definitely, it's more than that.
More than that.
Okay.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
Because a perfect steel body car,the first number, I'll start with a
three, 3.6, 3.7 million, dependingon the provenance on the vehicle,
who did the restoration on it.
And then on the flip side is.
You know, you have one of the 16 alloybody cars and you know, the cars were
driven and they were raced back then.
So, you know, they, some ofthem got a little banged up.
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I mean, obviously they're straight now andthe cars have all been restored, but this
particular car does not have any of that.
When Emiliano Torquer did the inspectionon it, he's the former Ferrari class
CK employee as well as Marco or Rigi.
Both of them were FerrariClassic K employees.
Both of them will tell you thatthe car is probably the finest
example that they've ever seen.
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For Mecu itself, I mean, what wouldyou guys do, you know, when someone's
got such low mileage cars like that, anabundance of several cars, do you have any
requirements or prerequisite saying getservice or do something like that before
you guys will have across the block?
Or is there anything you guys want'em to do special for the cars?
Not necessarily.
I mean, obviously at anauction, typically, you know,
the cars are sold as is.
As we do help buyers with as much as wecan from inspection process and help them
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be able to, you know, look around the car.
Determine what, where they're at,obviously with whatever records there may
be, you know, whether it's a bachman car,any car on the auction for that matter,
just what's there for them to look atand, and make their own assessment of
what they think they're getting into,whether that's gonna require some service
after the fact, or whether it's beenserviced or whatever the case might be.
So there's no requirements.
A car can be sold or offered nomatter it's quote unquote condition.
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Helping to give as much informationto that buyer to be able to do
their due diligence ahead of time.
That's why, you know, we very muchrecommend that you come inspect these
cars in advance and, and do your duediligence ahead of time and get a good
idea what you think you might expect tohave to do after you buy it, if anything.
So that's definitely justpart of the process, right?
When you're buying any car auctionanywhere, we were just speaking about
the uh, 2 75 GT four four cam alloy body.
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I'm always curious 'cause that's sucha special car, but being an alloy
buddy, that's a very delicate car.
How do you guys go aboutpreparing whoever's going to be
handling that car at the auction?
I mean, is there some sort ofspecial people for that or, yeah,
so we've got a designated crew,we call it the collections team,
their role within the organization.
That role is, you know, we've got ourmanagement team within that collections
team, a group of mechanics, detailersdrivers that are dedicated to collections
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like this, like the Bauchman collections.
So it'll be handled by them.
By our collections team.
The display will be in such a way where,you know, people aren't gonna just
be able to glom all over these cars.
They'll be quarantined off, so to speak.
They'll be visible, but then it's the onlypeople they'll be able to access and get
up close and personal will be registeredbidders and they will be, you know,
hosted by team members to be able to kindof guide them through and look at that.
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So it's not just.
Open season, so to speak, where we're justgonna leave a car like that for everybody.
You know?
We'll have over a hundred thousand peoplecome through the gates at Kissimmee
over the course of the entire auction.
So, you know, that's a lot ofpeople, that's a lot of kids,
that's a lot of families.
So, I mean, we have to make surethat we display them and present them
in such a way that that also at thesame time, you know, allows them to
be seed and viewed and appreciated.
Yeah, but also cool thing about AmicaAuctions events and really high level car
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events and car shows for the most part.
Car enthusiast understand theunwritten rules of respect about other
people's cars and property, but youget that many people coming through.
We have to make sure we take the rightprecautions to, to protect cars like that.
Exactly.
I dunno, maybe I'm a just don't realizeit, but of a small minority of a big fan
of the 400 Eyes and the four 12 eyes.
You are.
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I love those cars.
Why?
I don't know.
Just something about it.
I like the shape, everything to it.
There's one crossing the block that's inthis group that looks like from the photos
that cars needs a little more TLC to it.
'cause it looks like it's missedsome panels or is that all gonna be
put back together for the auction?
I think it's gonna bebasically sold as is.
I know that we discussed that wewere gonna try to go ahead and
get it put back together prior to.
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But I just don't think that it, uh, asI say, worked out in the, in the deck.
It doesn't need much.
I can tell you that right now.
For instance, one of our technicianscould have the whole car snap
back together in seven days time.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Seven actual working days.
It's not like it needs something.
And that's, again, that'snot him on high rush.
If I put two guys on it, they couldprobably have the car put back
together in just a couple days.
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But the gentleman that was working onit, I think that's the same time when
Phil was getting quite sick, Marthawas sick and then the gentleman just
stopped working on the car at that time.
She got quite ill in 2023 and uh,she passed obviously in early 24.
Yeah, sad to hear that.
The one other cool thingabout that car is the manual.
Yeah, I know.
It's a very low percentage of thosecars were made with the manual.
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The automatics I alwaysthought was interesting.
It's got a GM three speed in it, butthe small amount of those that were
built in manual makes that much better.
I'm the odd bird.
Yeah.
It's one of five that were produced inthat color combination with a manual
gearbox, and it was one of 388 producedwith a manual transmission out of the
1000 294 400 eyes that were produced.
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So when you really look at it, it'squite a small amount that did have a
manual gearbox, and like I said, one of11 produced in that color combination.
So out of the 1294 total, one of 11.
It is a really special car.
And for somebody that's looking just togo ahead and have a little side project,
it'll be a great, great, great great carand, and the car, honestly, I love the
car because of the color combination,because normally you would see those cars,
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traditionally they're in grays and blues.
Yeah.
And every, occasionallyyou'll see 'em in a black.
You don't really even see 'em inred, you know, even in the earth
tones, you know, you would see 'emin a green, you would see 'em in a
brown, but not really ever in red.
So that makes that car really special.
Yeah.
I think stands out.
It is the last one produced in that colorcombination with a manual transmission.
Wow.
All right.
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In its own way, it's, Sam wassaying it's another one of
these last ones that comes up.
That car in particular, it's,it's an opportunity car, right?
So I mean, it's crossing the block.
The car's there, but it, you know,obviously needs a little bit of finish
work to get everything put back together,but that creates that opportunity, right?
So I mean, like you said, you know,that car really trips your trigger,
the 400 eye and like, but then you seeit's like, well, but it's not done.
But then it's that opportunity of,well hey, maybe I can get a great deal
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on this thing because it's not done.
Typically, it's gonna bringquite a few folks like yourself
that see that opportunity.
Yeah.
The final price tag of that carwill probably surprise you even in
the condition that it's in becauseof it's gonna create so much of
that opportunity desire that,hey, maybe I can get that deal.
And it's obviously.
What we love about the auctionprocess is he brings those people
together in one place and then bidagainst each other for the car.
But every once in a while I see a carlike that where, hey, it's all there.
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But if Chris said it needs, you know,seven, 10 days worth of work by a
couple of texts, you know, havingthat opportunity and some people
like that to be able to say that theyfinished off, they put their DNA on
it, they completed the car themselves,it makes it even more theirs when
they do get that finished product.
And it's kind of fun to see sometimeswhen cars like that do cross the block.
Cool.
Important car, but not quite finished, butthe opportunity is there, which is cool.
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To your point, I think that's gonnasurprise a lot of people in regards
to, I think what that hammer's at.
And plus, you're gonna have somepeople out there probably think,
Hey, I can just do that myself.
Right?
Tweak their own.
Right.
That's right.
Now we're gonna start jumpinginto the heavy hitters.
What's cool with this collection isespecially Fab Five or whatever you
want to call it, having that seriousFerrari collection, it always starts
with what everyone considers thefirst Ferrari supercars, A 2 8 8 GTO.
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Now, this one's spectacular,but the biggest thing is it says
it's got 2007 kilometers, whichis just a hair over 1200 miles.
It's one of the lowest,it's not the lowest.
I know of a few others, obviously,but, and this is the other thing that's
very, very important, this car, it'sa single owner car, whereas a lot
of the other ones that you see thatare floating around, they've had 5,
6, 7 owners and they bounce between.
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Especially the European carswent from Belgium To France.
Yeah.
To Germany, back toItaly or what have you.
Not that I'm questioning it, but everytime that they fill out those odometer
statements in other places, way backin the day, there was a little bit
of a penmanship that went into it.
This one, it's the originalcar, original owner.
To find an original owner, onereally, really, really makes it more
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of a unicorn than anything else.
It makes it to me, one of the mostspecial ones that I've ever seen.
What options does that have on it?
Because there weren't that many youcould get on that car, but I know
there's a few that are pretty rare.
So that car has three of the optionsout of the four that were offered.
The leather seats were one of them.
A lot of people lookfor the desired inserts.
This car did not have the inserts.
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It has power windows and it has the ac.
Well, not that many hadair conditioning either.
Radio, delete, that's what it has.
The radio delete.
It was usually a lot of people wentahead and the radio was an option.
This the car with that specialluggage too, isn't it, Chris?
Yeah.
So that car in particular, therewas only four or five cars that
were produced with a secondary bag.
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So originally Kel Reto, whowas a former farmer, one driver
for Ferrari, he came to Edon.
He was looking for a very small bag tofit in the car, just to put, you know,
an overnight pair of slacks or shirt orsomething, but something to carry in a
hotel and not walk in with a plastic bag.
So they created this one bag, thiscalled the secondary smaller luggage bag.
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They only made it for four or five people.
And this particular car has it.
I've never seen the bag ever.
Other than one other car, which Isaw at Catalina a few years ago, but
I've never seen it with anyone else.
And the bag alone is super,super, super special.
Oh God, yeah.
Tacular.
Mm-hmm.
Getting like that just adds to theprovenance in that car rarity alone, but
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just the options and not having that bagwith it just makes it stand up from Molly,
I guess You say all the other ones and.
To your point, I think therewas only the one I was aware
of too that had lower miles.
But I mean, it's just oneowner that kind of kicks off.
Jumping into the super hypercar basicallyhas the same engine as the F 40.
Very similar.
Now there's not one, there's twotwo F Fortys in this collection.
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They're gonna be going across the block.
They're super unique.
One's got 850 some miles.
It always got 459 miles.
So in 1992 for the USmarket, Ferrari made 60 cars.
And then out of the 60, a lot of peoplesay which cars were made in calendar
year 1992, and that was the final 24.
So there really isn't many that were made.
One of these cars was produced incalendar year 1992, and the other
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one was produced in late 91, butthey're both 1992 at forties.
Like I said, there was 60 produced.
The one that has 456 miles.
That car was a factory delivery.
It has the EE plates on it.
You know, as Phil went ahead and receivedthe car, and that car actually has
the original per LEP zero tires thatwere, um, most of the European cars.
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His US model actually has those on it.
The other car has.
The Goodyear Gs A, which weresuper, super rare and you know,
you can't find them today.
So these cars, for guys that arelooking to show the car as original
Belli stopped producing this versionof the tire years ago, as did Goodyear.
Goodyear stopped producing them.
So when people see them at shows andthey say, look, this car's original for
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the guys that really know, they knowbecause all the F forties look pretty
much the same, obviously they're all red.
Yeah.
And they're all red interior.
Exactly.
You know, you have the originaltires like that on there.
What would you do to maintain thosetires to be able to utilize them?
I mean, obviously you're climate controland that stuff, but what else can you
do with those tires so you can roll itaround on 'em so they don't deteriorate?
So what Phil and Martha did, you know,a lot of times, like when you put tire
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conditioners and different products likethat, a lot of times they'll dry up the
rubber on the car and they knew that.
So that's why when you would see the cars,the cars would not have any tire shine.
I'm sure, Sam, you noticedthat when we were there?
Mm-hmm.
The cars weren't all dazzled up with allthat super shiny stuff on 'em because they
knew that that eventually would get intothe rubber and start to break it down.
And if a tire was gonna go outtaproduction, I know we're gonna be bringing
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the tires and wheels to the auction.
They went ahead and they would say, Hey,this tire's gonna go outta production.
Let's go buy an extra set or two.
And sure enough, they have, you know, theextra rubber that, oh wow, they bought for
some of these cars, which is non-existent.
You know, you just reallycan't find that stuff.
I mean, that's incredible.
I mentioned earlier that the wholecollection's going bang, bang, bang,
bang across the block, one after other.
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Was there any conversation of likemaybe separating those two just
because of the low mileage and thatChris was involved with that as well?
I mean, it's, you know, no easy feat.
We had multiple conversations withChris and Dana and everyone that was
to set these 48 cars in order and youknow, what order do you put 'em in?
Obviously there's no handbook to that.
Right.
And how do you space that outand make sure that, whether it's
guys after specific cars, youwanna make sure that they have.
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Time in between what they're after.
And you gotta take all thesedifferent things into consideration
when you're setting an order.
And we took our time and, and thoughtit through and, you know, the order
that they'll end up being, which we haveis done in such a way where we think
it gives everybody the opportunity tobe able to focus on certain things.
And there's no super magic sauce to howit's done other than the fact that, you
know, taking, like you said, I mean,do you put these two cars back to back?
Probably doesn't make much sense.
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You're gonna spread 'em out just alittle bit so that if, if there is
somebody that wants to try and comeafter both of them, that gives them
an opportunity to sort of reset and.
Go after 'em.
That's a good point.
I could see one buyer goingafter both of them potentially.
Yeah, absolutely.
To mention too, I, you know, wetalked about with the 2 88 GTO,
but both these F forties againordered new by Phil and Martha.
Yeah.
One owner F 42 of them.
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So, I mean, you're kind of three ina row with, you know, these cars.
It's, to me that's mind blowing.
I mean, you know, just like we saidwith the 2 88 to find one with one
owner, most of 'em have six, seven,bounced around all over the place.
Same with these cars.
Yeah, same thing.
The fact that one would be incredibleto have two in the same with, you
know, the same owner, one owner.
It's kind of mind boggling.
I don't think we'll see it again.
In all honestly, it's anincredible opportunity.
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Bill was so hell bent onwanting to make sure he got one.
I think he was working, correctme if I'm wrong, Chris, but he was
kind of working two angles at thesame time to ensure that he got one.
Then they both kind of came to fruition.
Then he just decided, well, Iguess I'm gonna have two, and
decided not to give one up.
They kept both allocations and got 'emboth done and put 'em both in the garage
was, you know, to me that story was,I just never heard anything like that.
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That was pretty awesome.
Best story, honestly, is, uh, the one thathe really wanted initially was the F 50.
Yeah.
The story.
Phil went to the factory andgot in town a little bit early.
So usually when he would travel,he would travel, you know, t-shirt,
jeans, you know, just good oldboy from eastern Tennessee.
And it was the summertime and he went outthere, he took a flight and he got there.
And he got there a little bit earlyand he was checking in the hotel
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right down the road and he was drivingby the factory and he saw somebody.
And you know, they said, well,why don't you just come on in?
And he was like, ah, youknow, I just got here.
And they said, yeah, don't worry about it.
Come on in.
Somebody else apparentlywalked in the room.
They saw him and they made a comment.
They said, you know,next time you come here.
You better make sure that you have asport jacket on and a suit and tie.
And he was always buttoned up.
He was really tight.
Phil was, you know, if you lookat all the photos and the videos,
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he was always looking super sharp.
So Simone said, uh, that set him offand he said, that's it, I'm done.
So he had a little bit of a war withhim and you could see when it was.
'cause it was the F 50 and 95.
It was the F five 12 M, and 95,and he didn't get another car
until 99 with the 3 55 fiorano.
So there was a few years thathe basically didn't purchase
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any cars new at that point.
Eventually he went back out and hefound those cars because people always
said, well, why is this one not yellow?
Or, why did the yellow F five12 M have 5,000 miles on it?
I said, that's because hepicked up that car secondary.
But the one that sold thispast summer at Pebble.
That would've been his car, the final one.
Number 75.
Outta 75.
Really?
That would've been his car.
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Yeah, because he was always getting,you know, the last ones at that point,
you know, and then it, it kind of tooklike a shape of its own, you know, he
started, you know, after that you couldsee it with every other car after that,
the Fiorano, the five 50 Barta, it wasthe last one for the us, you know, and
you could just start to see the patternon how we started to get the cars.
So it, uh, actually openedsomething new up after that.
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Now you, you mentioned F 50, that'sthe next one I wanna get into.
I know this is of interest for everybody.
'cause other than Ralph Lauren'sthat just went, this one with only
251 miles on it is incredible.
Yeah, it really is for what's goingon in the market with those cars.
I mean, those things have just gonethrough the roof, so to speak in the past.
Would you say 24 months they have shot up?
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Incredibly.
Yeah.
Really natural aspirated manual V 12.
I mean, it just checks all the boxes.
I mean, it's just incredible.
You know, only 251 miles.
One owner.
Yeah.
This one's actually multiple owners.
Oh, it is?
Because he purchased this carfrom me, Ian Poulter, and Ian
was the second owner of the car.
Nonetheless.
Usually what happens is, you know,obviously Ferrari announced the
F 80, which is the next car inthe sequence of the supercars.
(24:30):
Usually what happens is every timethat they announce one of those cars,
and it's generally speaking, every 10years, you had 85 with the GTO and then,
and it was, uh, obviously 87 is whenthey announced the F 40, and then it
went to 95 and then it went to 2013.
As time went on, it'susually about every 10 years.
Then the LA Ferrariand so on and so forth.
(24:50):
So here we are, the F eighty'sout when that happens.
Generally speaking, a lot of thesepeople, the big collectors guys that
are new to it, they say, well, you know,you called it the Fab Five earlier.
Guys say, I want to get all of them.
Sure enough.
They want to jump on and they say,okay, I want to get all, all the cars.
And then they start tofind, I want the best ones.
And that's why this Bachmancollection is really unique because
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what Sam said is exactly the deal.
You're gonna see two F fiftiesor two f forties in a sale maybe.
But to see 'em from the originalowner with that kind of mileage, I, I
don't think it's gonna happen again.
I really don't.
I mean, and, and I've beendoing this a pretty long time.
I've never seen these kind ofcars with this type of mileage.
And then the uniqueness of the colors.
The uniqueness of the options, obviouslythe cars were meticulously maintained.
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Uh, I don't think you'reever gonna see it again.
I really don't.
Sam, I'm sure the scuttlebutt youguys have been receiving has been that
one person trying to go after a lotof these cars at one crack is you're
not gonna get this opportunity again.
But this gets you the best of the best.
You guys have had to have some inquiriesabout, Hey, I think one person's
gonna just wrap these things up.
I, I mean, yeah, the interest hasbeen incredible, as you might imagine.
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I mean, as soon as we announced it, Imean, the, the emails and phone calls
coming into folks getting registeredto make sure that they don't miss.
The chance to be a part of it and,and get their hands on things has been
from day one when we first made theannouncement and, and just steady through.
I mean, it's, it's been great.
I mean, obviously I think Ferraricollectors, collectors in general just
are realizing the uniqueness of thisopportunity and the, and the fact that
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opportunities like this to Chris'spoint, are probably not gonna present
themselves anytime soon, if ever again,especially with some of these cars.
I mean, a one owner F forties,the one owner, two 80 HETO,
I mean that this could be it.
I mean, and to have this manyincredible cars and this, these types of
conditions in one place to be able to.
Come take your pick.
I mean, it's, it's, the other great thingis if you look on the website, these are
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all going off one right after another.
Yeah.
So that's gonna be an incredible threehours, maybe four hours of just blue chip,
blue chip, blue chip went after there.
So I mean, I mean, that's gonna besome exciting times in a room For sure.
And there's really no lead up.
It's gonna be a heck of a week.
Yeah.
I mean, whoever is gonna be uprunning the show with the hammer's
gonna have a heck of a time.
That's a career moment.
I mean, oh, that's all these in a row.
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I mean, that person's justgotta be ecstatic because that's
just gonna be unbelievable.
No, it's fun.
I mean, and you know, our auctioneerteam is to that point, I mean, these guys
absolutely 120000000% love what they do.
And, and they get so jazzed and energizedby proud enthusiasm and bidding enthusiasm
and seeing, you know, what they're doingin their craft and, and, and help these
folks get their hands on these carsand helping be a part of that process.
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Is really what drives these guys, andthey're talking to them about what's
coming up in Kissimmee for everythingwe've got going on between, you know, with
the two 50 GTO, the Bachman cars here,and this is probably one of the, one of,
if not the greatest lineup of vehiclesthat we've ever had in Kissimmee, Florida
by far to see it all coming together is.
Pretty special.
It's already a specialmoment in the moment.
It has even happened yet, so I can't evenimagine what it's gonna be like in the
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moment live and when it's all unfolding,it's gonna be pretty incredible.
You're gonna have all thoseemotions, excitement, anxiety,
everything, all of it.
'cause it's just gonna be all, Imean, it's just gonna be incredible.
You know?
I, and I've been telling people, if yougot a way to get there, you need to go
to kiss me in January to be part of this.
'cause it's just gonna be incredible.
I mean, just the atmosphere, everything,the energy is gonna be unbelievable.
Yeah.
I mean, I can't wait.
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It's gonna be exciting.
Yeah.
Getting into rarity.
We're gonna talk about the Enzo.
I would have to gather.
That's the only one madewith that color combo.
No, it actually isn't.
Really?
Yeah.
There was another one that was made,but this car was originally left.
The factory came off the assemblyline with black interior.
Phil wanted this other style,red Daytona seats, so they were
installed at the factory and there'sphotos of the car coming off the
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assembly line with the black seats.
The car comes with both sets ofseats in the delivery room with the
red seats, so they swap them out.
So that was for homologation purposes.
But this car has some really uniquefeatures that no other Enzo I've
ever seen that has, it has the enginebrace struts in the engine bay.
They're both polished.
The lower body color, usually onthe very bottom of all the cars.
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They had like a black trim.
Yeah.
That went all the way around.
The lower trim and the, therear diffuser panel, it has the
Enzo Ferrari signature badge.
I've only seen about fiveor six cars that have that.
It's really a unique one.
In Jello for the US there were11, there was 36 cars produced
globally, but 11 for the us.
That's incredible.
I mean, I mentionedbefore, I, I love the Jalo.
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I mean, the yellow is fantastic, buthaving that red interior, I mean,
that just really makes that pop.
And again, one owner, 645 miles,again, that's just, you don't see it.
And again, to your point, youknow, usually a lot of these
have multiple owners, right?
Yeah.
The opportunity therefor one owner that's.
Magnificent in itself and just thedemand for that's gonna be incredible.
I mean, it's just insane.
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Phil was at the factory and actuallygot, they suited him up in, on
the production line for this car.
This is the one, didn't it, Chris?
Where they, yeah.
Got to kind of turn a wrench on thefinal stages of the build for the car.
So they got, there's a picture of him witha, wearing a full suit in the factory,
putting a bolt in the bottom of the car.
It was, it's pretty cool.
I think he's probably the only onethat's ever had a chance to do that.
Yeah, I'd imagine.
Yeah.
You know, you mentioned the photo withhim wrenching outta the line stuff.
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Is there some cool items thatare coming along with these cars?
Like for the next caretaker?
Yeah.
Well there was a book that on the lotof the later cars that Phil picked
up and he did a European delivery,there was what they call a photo book.
So the delivery sales department,they would go ahead and provide a
book and it was manufactured from sed.
Everyone got it.
And they probably did at thatpoint in time, I don't know,
maybe like 30 deliveries a month.
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And people would go to the factory, pickup their car, they would get a beautiful
book, they would take the photos, theywould have a professional photographer
there, and they'd give this book to you.
So remember years ago, back then,the digital photos that we see
today, you know, they weren'treally what they are today.
You would actually get anold fashioned photo book.
And Phil has a photo bookfor lots of the cars.
And if you look at all thephotos, you'll see the same thing.
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You see PB growing.
Their son 'cause he was gettingsmaller and growing, growing, growing.
See Phil and Martha, and then yousee Simone, he was in all the photos.
So when you go throughit, it's kind of unique.
So you get that and then you know, everycar comes with its original stuff, what
I call all the tchotchke stuff, thelittle instruction pamphlets and all
these little things, which as time goeson, people take 'em and they're like,
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ah, I don't need this little brochure,I don't need this little pamphlet.
And they toss it.
Phil and Martha saved everything.
When I tell you.
Everything, everything.
So there's just so much stuff.
I mean, that's what I'mgonna call it, is stuff.
There's just so much stuffthat comes with every car.
It's amazing.
It's, you know, and itbrings back memories.
Even for me, there was these littlestatic stickers that I would stick on
onto the windshield about a missions.
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People would peel those right off.
You know when you get in your new car?
Yeah.
There's like a, a sticker aboutan airbag or whatever it may
be, and people pull that off.
They don't save it.
They throw it in the trash.
He saved it.
He has everything.
You name it, they have it.
That's what makes thiscollection really unique.
And obviously, you know, we mentionedit multiple, multiple times, but it's
a car that has an original owner.
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So to have an original owner on carsgoing away back to 84, even if he started
buying cars when he was 30 years old,you know, obviously he do the math.
I mean, he'd be in his seventies today.
So Phil was pretty successful andhe started buying cars quite early.
He saved everything.
And since he was a car dealer,he knew to save a lot of that
stuff, whereas most people didn't.
And then as the years went on, asthey started to show the cars and
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take 'em to Concor events, they'dbreak out that stuff and people would
be just amazed that they had everylittle pamphlet, every little sticker.
You name it, he would peel off the stickerthat was, you know, on the adhesive.
He put it on like a nice little backerand save it and he'd say, look, here's
all the original stickers that came onthe airbag or came here or came there.
He has everything.
That's incredible, Sam, that had tobeen kind of, I mean, you guys have
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archivists and everything like thattoo, 'cause you guys also deal in roia.
However you pronounce the word.
That had been kind of interesting for youguys as well to whoever's going through
it all to see all this material like that.
'cause you don't ever see that.
So it was a big task.
It's still ongoing a little bit rightnow, but just making sure that we make
sure that we've got everything thatbelongs to the car, goes with the car.
So to make sure that newowner gets that stuff.
But also in addition to all the cars and,and all the things he saved, as Chris was
(32:40):
mentioned, he also was, would collect.
Stuff, tchotchkes, Ferrari relatedmemorabilia, things like that.
So his garage was full of that stuff.
So, you know, going through andmaking sure we determine, you know,
okay this award belongs to this caror this piece goes with this car.
But then also to figure out what wasjust general collected merchandise
to make sure that we have that.
Inventory properly.
'cause we'll also be sellingthat stuff off the following day.
(33:01):
On Sunday, we'll sell the memorabiliathat was the decor that was in his
garage, you know, Ferrari light upsigns and you know, flags and banners,
posters, things like that that werejust there as you know, as any car guy
would decorate his his garage with.
So we'll have some of that as well.
So having to go through carefullyand calculatedly to, to make sure
that we've got everything sortedcorrectly and what belongs to a
card that needs to go along with it.
And all that.
So yeah, it's been some work to do,but those are always fun projects to
(33:24):
be able to, you know, the discovery,you're kind of like an archeologist
in that regard and you know,looking and discovering new things.
And Chris and I were there lastmonth and Chris kind of blew my mind
with just his photographic memoryof all things in tchotchke Ferrari.
And I might drive by this little medallionand not think anything of it, but then.
Chris will gimme this backstoryabout how unique this little pin is.
(33:44):
And for me as a, as a, as a carenthusiast myself, you know, I see
thousands of cars all year long atall these different events we do.
And, you know, it's, it's,it's work and it's a job.
And if some of it becomes numb, butthen every once in a while you, you
learn something new And it reallytrips my trigger and reminds me of
how much of a car enthusiast I am.
Cool.
Some of these stories are thata little two inch by two inch
medallion that's got a backstorycan be a really fun thing to learn.
(34:05):
As kind of nerdy as that sounds, there's,there's so much of that going on in inside
the Bachman's garage was pretty amazing.
Amazing stuff wasn't like thesethings were mass produced.
Keeping all that stuff or collecting itand finding it, it's just huge in itself.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward toseeing that as well.
You know, what was hisintent buying these cars?
I mean.
Obviously he didn't drive them ormaybe he drove them half a mile a year.
(34:26):
Was it more just a passion?
'cause they're just gorgeous cars?
What was the thinking behind,Hey, I wanna buy this, but then
I'm gonna keep the mileage low?
When I would speak to PB aboutit, you know, he understood, you
know, and obviously he had quitea number of cars as the years
went on, so he can spread it out.
If he wanted to drive hisFerrari, he had 46 of them in
the drive at one point in time.
But you know, he understood what itmeant from an authenticity standpoint.
(34:48):
You know, Phil got intodoing the Corvette stuff.
He did the Bloomington Gold stuff,and he understood that a car that
was dead original and had super lowmiles, the value was gonna be even
that much more so as a car dealer.
He said, Hey look, wehave to exercise the cars.
We have to go ahead and use them somewhat.
We just can't let 'em sit.
So they weren't maintained properly andthey were used from time to time, hence.
(35:09):
How did this car get four or five, 600miles over the years, but 20 plus years.
And even if you take the car out for amile or two a month, 25 miles a year,
over 10 years, it's 250 miles over.
You know, it just adds up.
People don't think it's much, butthat's how it starts to add up.
He really didn't drive 'em much,but he did take 'em out from time to
time and that's why some cars havea little bit more miles than others.
(35:30):
But I think the real big dealwas the FXX when he had the FX.
That was like his chance to really getout there and really run some miles.
And he ran 'em and he went to all theevents, has all the stickers of all the
events that he participated in, and hereally had a blast and he enjoyed it.
Unfortunately, Phil got sickand had a stroke in early 2011.
That was his first stroke, and thenhe had another one after that, so
(35:51):
he wasn't able to compete anymore.
But when the program came out in, oh.
And all the way through.
I think he was superactive through oh nine.
He was doing a lot of the events,I mean a real lot of the events
and he was really enjoying life.
Good for him.
That's great to hear.
I mean that those FX Xare just insane cars.
It's cool that he exercised 'em,utilized what it was made for.
Really awesome to see.
And what about like thechallenge cars and stuff as well?
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I mean, did those onesjust kind of a sip more?
Was the FX X the only one?
He really kind of went out andI guess they had some fun with
the Hena Race Ferrari Challenge.
So Challenge Rad is a roadversion of the Challenge Car.
He had two different ones.
There's a green one in the collectionand obviously the yellow one.
He put a little bit of miles onthose cars, but again, not many.
Very, very few.
We talk about the LA Ferraris, the Parata,and the coop again in unique colors.
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How rare are the colors onbuild numbers for those cars?
They're both specked out spectacularly.
They're both really, really unique.
The two most unique cars, in myopinion, in the collection are
obviously the 5 9 9 SA apta.
The 5 9 9 GTO.
But to your point, you knowthe car that you pointed out
plus the 4 58 Fish Alley Upta.
But towards the end, you know,like I said, I mentioned it
(36:56):
when we were doing the video.
He was kind of the pioneer on alot of this stuff that went on.
It was just really, reallyneat stuff that he did.
The exact number of the Jalo, triStrato, which is a triple layer paint,
which is on the La Ferrari apta.
They made 210 of those cars, thatcar's got the black interior.
Obviously on the other car, on the LaFerrari, it was one of approximately
(37:17):
500 produced, and they, uh, producedabout 150 for the us But it's a
super, super, super unique car.
Really, really, really unique car.
I mean they both are.
To kind of wrap this up a littlebit, you touched on the Ali apta
and uh, the 16 M as well in value.
Been crazy the past couple years justbecause the last natural aspect of
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V eight Sam, you guys have probablyseen a lot of interest, I wanna
say from a younger generation.
You know, you're gonna have a lotmore youthful interest in regards to
these cars coming towards the end justbecause of how, you know, what they are.
You guys anticipate, I don't wannasay younger, but different demographic
going after maybe those cars.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean, we're already seeing it too.
And if the inquiries that we'rehaving, obviously, you know, collecting
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cars is a, is a generational hobby.
And you know, the folks,they're after nostalgia.
What they remembered when they were young.
When I mean young meaning when you starteddriving cars and you started getting into
it and what you aspired to acquire, right?
Or what you wish you couldhave, but you had no money.
At the time, there's alot of that going on.
So definitely young in the down and,and by young, I mean, that could be,
you know, thirties and forties young.
I mean, there's not a lot of18 year olds coming out of the
(38:23):
woodwork for the cars, per se.
Yeah, well there could be certainlywith how the world works today.
But yeah, definitely younger generations,you know, coming after these cars.
I mean, myself personally, you know,I'm 47 or I don't think I'm 48 now.
You know, the, the F forties, the two80 GTO, you know, in high school, those
were the ones I was drooling over.
That's the, you know, I had apicture of a two 80 GTO on my wall
in my room, you know, growing up.
(38:44):
So.
Don't do the trophy cards from my era.
Right.
So like, you know, guys in their,in their forties are coming at those
things hard where, you know, evenyou get into the later model stuff
and it just keeps getting younger.
But in, you know, the one thing aboutFerrari, whether it's the two 80 GTO
or the 2019 TDF, whatever, anythingin between, I mean, those cars really
just transcend across all generations.
Period.
End of story.
All the way back to, you know, evengoing back to that 67 alloy car I,
(39:06):
the Ferrari brand is appreciatedso much deeper than most that, and
that's really interesting to me that.
You know, the appreciation, whetheryou're 75 years old or 25 years old,
I think it really runs the gamut.
But to answer your question directly,we are absolutely seeing an influx of
a slightly younger demographic comingin, getting ready to, to bid on these
cars and to, like we were talking aboutearlier, I think it's gonna be a bit
of a frenzy in the room and, and atthe time, and, you know, whether, if
(39:29):
you're not interested in buying themor you can't afford one just yet.
To be there on site and watchthis whole thing unfold is gonna
be a spectacular spectacle.
I agree.
And on that note, we could talk forhours 'cause there's so many special
cars in this collection, you know, notjust the one we kind of went in depth on.
I mean, it just, it's an unbelievablecollection and you know, you don't have
to be a purchaser or a buyer to enjoythis and especially be part of the action.
(39:51):
You got the wherewithal you canget to me, kiss me in January.
I think you definitelyneed to be there because.
You're gonna have several hours of justFerrari love going across that block
and you're gonna see some great action.
It's gonna be spectacular.
I can't wait.
I'm very, very excited for that.
So I wanna thank you guys for coming on.
I really appreciate that.
We'll see you guys down and kiss me.
(40:12):
I'm sure.
Chris, you know we mentioned before he'sgonna have a special guest potentially
coming down there too, so we'll see.
Bye guys.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
And remember, guys, hit thatlike and subscribe button and uh,
stay tuned for our next episode.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.