September 23, 2025 • 29 mins
Jon Summers is the Motoring Historian. He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept sports bike rider. On his show he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new and old cars, driving, motorbikes, motor racing, motoring travel.
In this episode, Jon Summers is rejoined by his son Ollie to co-host and share their experiences of the Pebble Beach 2025 event. They discuss their time at the Monterey Historics at Laguna Seca, camping adventures, and the main Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance event. Highlights include favorite car categories, memorable encounters at the campsite, and insightful observations about the evolution of the event. They also touch upon the less traditional aspects of the show, such as encountering supercars and unique vehicles like a bedazzled Aston Martin Valkyrie. The episode concludes with reflections on how the event has changed over the years.
==================== 00:00 Pebble Beach 2025 Review 01:26 Camping Adventures at Laguna Seca 02:16 Trackside Fun and Mishaps 10:27 Nighttime Challenges and Rain 13:28 Morning After and Departure 14:17 The Pebble Beach Concours Experience 16:02 Exploring Casa Ferrari 18:00 Concept Cars and Highlights 18:40 On the Lawn: The Main Event 19:48 Cobra Class and Other Features 24:20 Changes at Pebble Beach 25:44 Supercar Sightings and Final Thoughts===== (Oo---x---oO) =====
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John Summers is the motoring historian.
He was a company car thrashing technologysales rep that turned into a fairly inept
sports bike rider hailing from California.
He collects cars and bikesbuilt with plenty of cheap and
fast and not much reliable.
On his show, he gets together withvarious co-hosts to talk about new
and old cars driving motorbikes,motor racing, and motoring travel.
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Good day.
Good morning, good afternoon.
It is John Summers, the motoringhistorian, part two of Pebble Beach
2025, as reviewed by me and the boytoday looking at, uh, the time that
we spent at the Monterey Historics.
At Laguna Seka and the big show itself,that Pebble Beach, Concord de la go.
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We didn't really do the auctionsas thoroughly as we might
have done this year, did we?
Because the next day we wentto Laguna Acre and camped.
I mean, I love the G of Seka.
All the categories.
Their categories arelike all my favorites.
Like there's a group C category.
I love Group C Cars.
My favorite car ever behind theLicken house, oh oh seven LMH car
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is the Porsche 9 6 2 in Texaco.
Liveries.
There was one there.
I You didn't know.
I didn't see that car.
Oh, there was a Texaco 9 6 2 there.
So, just to be clear, we wentout on the Friday, didn't we?
We did the auctions on the Thursday.
There was, there was a Formula Oneclass that was on the, on the Friday
we licked our wounds at the ridge Mark.
Then we came back on the Friday.
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I got up, that was the day whereI got up at the cracker of Scro.
You have a sleep in?
And I went shopping, didn't I?
I was back with the shopping beforelike eight o'clock in the morning.
Bacon with my Wagyu beefburgers that never break.
Never got eaten.
Yeah.
We're gonna have.
For dinner tonight, we're gonna eat.
We're and they're gonna be muchbetter cooked up by your mother
than cooked up by, uh, cooked upon that Terrible cooked up by Jack.
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No, I'm not knocking Jack.
I'm not knocking.
Jack.
Jack made our dinner, so I'mnot knocking he for that.
He, yeah, he did.
Jason did.
The burgers that we ate were Jack.
Oh, the sausages with Jason.
I have a funny story about,but, but listen, but listen.
Right, so we went out to the track,the campsite, we camped, didn't we?
With Jack, with the, with the Joy Titus.
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In the bed that now the JoyTitus is a custom air mattress.
I'm gonna add it then madefor the 2016 Toyota Tundra.
This is not sponsored.
This is not sponsored.
You can get the Joy Titus ata price of it was 79 bucks.
Anyway, 79 bucks.
And to be honest, commend it.
Don't for a comfortable night's sleep.
I don't recommend it.
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You don't?
I don't recommend it.
If it hadn't rained,we'd have been all right.
I don't recommend the joy if we hadn'thave been right on top of the hill
where it was really windy, where Icouldn't even get the canvas in the bed.
Right.
There were six men there.
There was Jack and his son.
And then there's another friendof my dad's who's has a son.
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And then there is a man wearinga man wore shirt in this room who
also has his son because we were onthe outside of the raining curves.
That's why Jack, there wasn't it?
There were, there was my dad and twoof my dad's friends, they all had sons.
We were all about the same age.
And anyway, the pointis we all brought bikes.
The place where we were like camping,it was like loose gravel basically.
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And everybody's out there likesitting in their camping chairs.
You know there is oneman, Jean shorts, jorts.
Plaid, is that what they call it now?
Short.
Sleep.
Yeah.
Jorts and Lucas loves them, dude.
Um,
well seriously, or in an ironic way?
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Kind of both.
He only likes them 'cause his dad.
'cause Eric hates them a good, he'slike, he, you were in the store and
he was like, my dad would love those.
And he points out likesome army camo shorts.
Anyway.
Anyway, so there was a man ina Ferrari hat in a plaid shirt
with jorts on short sleeve shirt.
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Anyway, like loose surface is reallygoing to drift on, on your pedal Bikes
we're drifting around and I, on mybike came up and I drifted not in front
of the guy, but like in proximity.
How far away to the Ferrari house, howfar away would you say you were from him?
Seven feet.
Six feet, probably sixfeet, and he was like.
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Yo, fuck off man.
You're kicking up a bunch of dust.
And I was like, okay.
So I went over and I told myfriend, Alessandro, he, he's a
little bit of a troublemaker.
As soon as I told him that storyand what he said, Alessandro's
like, I'm gonna go and piss him off.
That's exactly what he said.
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I'm gonna go and piss him off.
So me and Luca were watching him rideoff and he drifted, you want me to
name the feet we need to go into, weneed to go into inches for this one.
He drifted like eight inches away fromhis, away from him, and the dude in the
Ferrari hat went, he, he grabbed his legand went, man, a little rock, kidney.
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And these rocks are likethe signs of pebbles.
He was like, ow, man.
This pebble just hit me.
Anyway, that was just thestory of Mr. Ferrari hat.
Well, thank you for, for the, forthe inappropriate Anglosaxon story.
Um, and you might well thinkif my mother's listening, she
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would think, well, not only.
Where you were?
Where were you, Jonathan?
And I would say that I was nearby.
I was only a short distanceaway when this was taking place.
But you only hearduntil the following day?
Well, because I said to you that nightwhen we went to bed, I was like, 'cause
you boys were riding around all the time.
I was like, you musthave had some adventures.
Not all.
Did anything happen?
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And you were like, no, no.
There were no incidents.
There were no incident.
And then in the morning, then in themorning when we were having coffee, you
were like, oh, that bloke over there.
He told me to off.
And the thing with it is those peopleon that side of the campsite, right?
If you were camping over there,you couldn't see the track.
Like why would you camp overthere like where we were?
You could see down onto the track, right?
No, but the reason we, wherethey were recently, we took
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the Ferrari, that was it.
The bloke with, was it thebloke with that escort mark?
What?
The bloke was near that escort mark one.
I don't know what you're talking about.
There was a car that wascovered in a tar over there.
It was like an escort mark, one thathad kind of two big wheels on it.
It was bluish.
We kind of took the Ferrari hattedguy for granted because at his word
and did well, I just wanna pointout that if he would've said, Hey,
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can you not drift in front of me?
And this all would'veplayed out differently.
He wouldn't have swear, or maybeit would've 'cause he's annoying,
but, well, he swore at you.
If he hadn't have sworn at you,it, it wouldn't have stro wouldn't
have wanted that reaction.
Mm-hmm.
What else was memorable aboutthe, uh, about the camping?
Walking.
Walking in the paddockthat was very memorable.
Walking around in the paddockwith my friends, that was fun.
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What was cool about that?
I was, because we're kids.
Mm-hmm.
There's kind of like a freepass to sitting in cars.
Did you sit in a lot of cars then?
Yeah.
Or did you sit in Well, wesat in a bunch of mustangs.
'cause like Ford was there.
We sat in the new Mark four.
I should have said that whenwe were still talking about it.
No way.
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I didn't know that.
Yeah, we did.
Wow.
Dude, that was Spro.
We saw, we sat in a gold one.
It was, I should say, I was the lights,I was tired by the time we got to, once
we got to the camp, I was like few.
I just like sat in the camp chair.
You can see the CO from the spot whereat we could see, could see porch,
the cos group and you can see 'emgoing right round the rainy curve.
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Oh wow.
During the Group C group I waswatching, of course, 'cause
it was my favorite group.
And whatever the Groupness Nissanscalled came down the corkscrew and spam.
He is a car length offor he's a car width.
Off of the apex or no off of the exit?
Mm-hmm.
Where you're going to be on the exit.
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A Mazda 7 87 B comes down,spins, does like a J turn look
and move sneaks past the Nissan.
Nissan.
Then a pink 9 6 2 comes up.
And spins, barely avoiding the NI Nissan.
The NI Nissan has moved by then there'syellow flags out just after this.
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The TransAm group and the GroupC Group went at the same time
'cause they were both small groups.
A black TransAm car wasn'tclose enough to see what it was.
Came down and.
And then they closed it.
Apparently the Nissan, Nissanhad came in the power too.
Early span dropped oil and that'swhy the 7 8 7 B span the 9 6 2
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span and the Trans Am car span.
So there was an oil spill.
The kitty litter truck came out, poureddown some stuff, work back to racing.
You boys went down toum, turn six as well.
Yeah, that is, Jack was saying hereckons that's the best place for
Jack was not lying when he saidthat was a really good place to.
Set up why we went down there forthis historic Formula one class
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and it's just, you're so close.
Mm-hmm.
To the cars, you feel like youcould like reach out and touch them.
The spot where you're watching,you can also camp there.
If you're like 10 camping,you can camp there.
Mm-hmm.
So there was a bunch of peoplecome out their tents on the
inside of turn six or the outside.
Outside.
On the outside, that's the good place.
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'cause then they'retaking the racing line.
So they're on the outside of the track.
Yeah.
So then you're even closer to them.
Where we were standing, therewas just like a big drop off.
And then the track there wasjust like, for me, and I'm
short, I'm like four, eight.
It's like neck height.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, of a fence.
So if you really wanted to, you couldclimb down and just go down there.
But we didn't do that.
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The historical one class, it wasa very good spot for that class.
You can see them like as they're likepounding the brake, you can see their
body like shifted over to one side asthey're trying to like downshift while
they're like one handed, like turning in.
It's just, it's a cool spot.
I'm disappointed.
I was too lazy to get down there.
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I think I was building the campsite.
I was building the Joy Titus.
Well, let's take a minute to talkabout the night really quick.
Oh.
I mean, it rained.
The night was a, was a adventure.
Yeah.
'cause when the sun goes, so theystopped racing about five 30 and it
seemed like by six 30 the sun was down.
We'd add like our burgers.
By that time we'd made friends withthe people at the campsite next.
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Yeah, yeah.
These people, these people werecooking a pig and they'd be cooking
it all day and we were meant to godown there, but we didn't end up going
down to eat their pig sandwiches.
Well, that was because the blokesnext to us, they were a bunch of
engineers and one of them his hobby.
Was making distilled liquors.
He made one especiallycalled the Cork Screwed.
That's cool.
That's actually a good name.
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Yeah.
The uh, but the, it was alllike absent kind of flavors.
He assured us they weren't poisonous.
So, anything else aboutthe overnight experience?
Well, it rained, didn't it?
So I could have bought a tent.
Terrible Joy.
Titus Terrible is justthis inflatable mattress.
I did buy Canvas to go over it,but, but it was so windy you
couldn't get the Canvas card.
I couldn't put that down.
But I also bought bivy bags, whichhappened to be emergency single use thing.
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So we had the sleeping bagsinside the bivy bag, didn't we?
No.
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we went to sleep and I woke upand it was raining and I was cold,
and I realized I was cold because Iwas wearing a sweatshirt and jeans,
sweatpants or whatever, pajama pants.
I put my arm out of the sleeping bag.
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I don't know why I put it onto whatI thought was the joyus, but actually
there was a small gap between theJoyus and the bed wall and that had
filled with water, and I just dumpedmy arm into that pool of water.
My arm was like freezing like crazy.
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I was like trying to pull up mybivy bag, but it was all wet.
It was like soaked, so itdidn't really help you.
And then like, oh shoot,now my hand's all cold.
And it's like, oh no, I justtouched a cold part of like a
wet part of my sleeping bag.
Shoot my other arm's freezing now.
Yeah, it, it was, uh, it was an adventure.
Not the best planning by me because whenI woke up the second time, I really had to
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pee, but I was like so afraid to get outtamy bag 'cause it was so wet and I left my
shoes in the bed in between me and my dad.
So I could like grab them ifI had to go to the bathroom.
But then I realized like, ohshoot, they're all soaked.
Mm-hmm.
I had to hold it till the morning.
Yeah.
There was no way you, like, you couldn'tmove at all, like roll over at all.
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'cause like you're worried you'llroll over into patch of wetness.
Yeah.
Well you would.
You would, you would.
Because uh, when we got up and we tookour sleeping bags off, we had noticed
that the Joy Titus had changed color.
Yeah.
So the water there was just like.
Two imprints of drynesswhere our bodies had been.
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And then everything else, like inbetween us and all around us was
just like this darker joy, tus color.
Alessandra had some kind of flightor something to do from Hong Kong.
Yeah, he was, he was gonna flya plane or something, he said.
I dunno.
So, uh, they left he Jason andleft really early, didn't they?
And then, um.
Jack and Luca hang on a little bit.
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And then they went, and then by aboutlunchtime, we were the only people.
Yeah.
On there.
We were the only people on the campsite.
So we trotted down to, um, the paddockarea, got some chicken tenders.
Well, you had some food.
I was over it.
By the time I couldn't eat anythingby that time, slept properly.
And we were, we were so tiredand like fatigued, we were
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just like, oh, screw this.
And we buggered back to the ridge mark.
Yeah, we, uh, beat a hasty retreatback to the Ridge Mark Resort and Spa.
Slept, showered, watchtv, recovered ourselves.
And then what about the big show itself,Ollie, the first time biggest you
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ever went to the Pebble Beach Concord.
So every year since I was like seven.
I had gone to all the thingswe had just talked about.
Instead of going back to the ridgemark, my dad would've took me home
and then he would've driven back.
'cause he was a docent.
He would work on the day andhe couldn't deal with me.
But this year, the docentprogram had been canceled because
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three buses had got stuck.
Explain that.
And then, well, that's rather political.
Actually, but the docent programhas been downsized, hasn't they?
And we think it's partly because last yeara lot of certain kind of ticket holder
had got stuck and had missed their tours.
So people had felt like therewere lots of extra docents and
therefore, yeah, uh, fewer docenttours were required this year.
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So meaning that I coulddo this, do show with you.
Definitely a silverlining in the cloud there.
Yeah.
So firstly it was nice to not haveto get up at three o'clock to be
able to, and you know, in order to bethere at like five 30 kind of thing.
It was nice to be able to get up atlike, we drove right in, no traffic
at, yeah, that's a big thing.
Parked on, uh, yeah, drove right inwithout any like stoppy start and
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it, we went in on the highway 68.
You know, highway one,highway 68 entrance.
We went in that way and just drovestraight in, no Stoppy Starty parked.
They had us park up at theside of the road just round the
corner from the Inn, Spanish Bay.
We were on a bus straight away,straight into the show, dumps you out
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at the top of Peter Hay Hill, so youhave to like walk down Peter Hay Hill.
So there is quite a walk.
But I realized that as we were gettingthere, you know, I was saying to Ali
that there are really three shows.
There's the actual concor.
Then there's the concept car lawn.
There's ca and then, then there'sCasa Ferrari, because really Casa
Ferrari's like up the hill fromthe main show, but there'll be like
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50, 60, maybe even as many as 80.
There's, so there's a Ferrari out there.
There's, there's a variety.
There was a Ferrari 4 9, 9 P wasthere, Michael Schumacher's Formula
One car was there, as we said earlier.
But then there's also like GTOs.
Yeah, there were three GTOs weren'tthere, that three 30 L and b that I
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love the three Tour de France together.
So you could compare door handlesand the color of the Loures
and light covers and yeah.
And so that was really cool.
You spent a while explainingthe difference to me between
the four A eight gt I I, I saidbefore, I love Group three cars.
And there at Casa Ferrari there was fouriterations of Ferrari Group three cars
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and I gave my dad a crash course on that.
Yeah, there was a Ferrari four 10.
That was probably my favoritecar of the whole event.
I loved the 3 7 5 plus thatthey had at rm, but I loved even
more that X shall B four 10.
They they, that was on,that was Upper Cara Ferrari.
They also had Louis Hamilton'sFerrari Formula one car.
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I don't know how they did, 'cause likehe's meant to like use it, but it was
number 44, so it was definitely his.
So that, that was cool.
So the entrance of the show, therewas the long look for Glick at house.
Oh yeah.
There was a, well it wasn't, itwasn't an LMH car, which was sad, but
it was oh oh three or three oh oh.
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SC.
G Scooter.
Or Carmen.
Or Carmen, I can't pronounce it.
Licken house.
It was a stick.
So no paddles, which mydad was surprised by.
Honestly.
I was too.
'cause it's, you could be seenor it is a super car brand.
Little surprising.
What'd you like on the concept Car?
Well, it's hard to describe concept cars.
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Yeah.
What did you like?
That's why I said there was that Mercedesthat are quite like Was the what?
There was like that naturallooking thing like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard for the viewers toknow what's on the concept car.
Along there was a, if you can namea car, I can put a link in and
they can find it, but I can, well,that was that orange Mercedes.
Something.
Yeah, it was a tribute.
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Had six real tail lights,which I thought was cool.
Two group three Porsches, one of whichhad like a tiger motif on it and two
of the teeth were gold, which was cool.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Rexy.
Yeah, Rexy.
Yeah.
Alright.
Onto the lawn.
Onto the lawn itself.
Big show itself.
Ollie, how was that for you?
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First time it was great.
I will forever go on thelawn when I can if I can.
Much bigger than I expected.
So many more cars than what went on tour.
There were at least like a hundred morecars that went on that went on the tour.
But 'cause my dad has insider connections,as you could say, we got some influence
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on who was best in class from some ofthe judges that my dad is friends with.
Yeah.
Well, we Ted around, didn't we?
Well, I know one of the guys thatjudges preservation class, so we chatted
with him a little bit, didn't we?
Yeah.
Um, about what he, uh,what he looked like.
I also know somebody who prepared oneof the cars that was in the COBRA class,
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so we talked a little bit about that.
Yeah, I had a good chat with him.
He was impressed by my knowledge.
Which felt good.
Good.
He's an episode.
He, he owns three Cobras.
You know that Tom Cotashow Bonfire Hunter?
Yeah.
There's an episode where he is onthat show where Steve's on that show.
That's cool.
Doesn't own those cars.
He looks after the for people.
Um, well, yeah.
Another feature Mark,other than 75 years of.
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Formula one was, um, cobra.
So they had the best examplesof every iteration of Cobra.
So they had the closed top ones, theyhad the narrow hip ones, which those
are the ones where the fender goes overthe rear wheel, which I don't like.
They had the classic open, top, regularhip, or straight, not over the wheel.
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And, uh, they had some,a race open top ones.
They had like at least two of thebest examples of every iteration.
I was kind of surprised they didn'thave Carol Shelby's actual car.
'cause you're at Pebble Beach.
I don't know.
It's probably destroyed or something.
Well, it was also big block cars only.
It was four 20 sevens only.
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Yeah.
But why would Shelby have a small block?
Well, because he originally had asmall block and the small block cars
were always meant to be much morestreetable than the big block cars.
True.
But yeah, I and Shelby must be handy.
I take your point that you mighthave expected to be a car where
the Shelby connection, there wasa class of moretti's, wasn't that?
Which is tiny, tiny cars.
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Like little.
I feel like if I feel like that couldbe my, I could drive that if I had
to pick a car to drive right now.
I could drive that.
The class of Invictus that was the bestin one of the Invictus was best in class.
Well, our best in in show.
No, no.
Yeah, it was that brownie.
The best in show wasthe Hispano Swer tulip.
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Oh, I get these things mixed up.
I should tell you alittle story about that.
I knew that car.
But when I saw it on the field, Iwas like, oh, it's a tulip wood,
but it is not as handsome as theone that was in the Blackhawk.
Well, this is the same car, butit's been redone and in my opinion,
it's been redone to be less elegant.
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The problem is what the problem is.
It's been really done well.
It's probably stock.
It's probably stock.
And that's why it's one.
Yes.
Because if the more, I mean that'swhat, that's the little bit of the
confusing part of Pebble Beach.
'cause it's like.
Elegance, I'll take off the ponywheels and put on the American racing
ones, and then it's like stalk.
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I take off the American wheelsand put it back on the ponies.
Yeah.
The thought of a Fox Mustangappearing on the Concor audit
Pebble is, is, well, that's just,that's just not, that's the first.
That, but that, no, but no, butthat's example, that's a really
great way of, of thinking about it.
Ollie.
Um, just back to the cobras,the close top is called the lm
and Jim Farley was at Laguna.
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He's the CEO of Ford.
If he didn't know he was atLaguna, he has a LM edition Cobra.
So close top.
He won his race pretty Hadley.
He just drove off at the front, didn't he?
And he, he owned, did he own a BRM?
He owned that BRM that was on the lawn.
Oh, really?
The Graham Hill one, if you'veseen the movie Grand Prix.
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What?
What's, yeah, well name.
That was my favorite car in the, oh,there's era, so sixties Era Bureau.
Yeah.
And it's the car that'sdriven by hot staar.
Character, character, character.
I get the, I'll get thepronunciation right in the end.
Yeah.
That tulip wood car, Ollie.
It was built for the TargaFlorio 1924 Targa Florio.
We had it in the Blackhawk Museum andthen I have a book about the history of
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the type of Flo and I was looking throughit and I was like, it's a one of one.
It looked nothing like itlooked like in the museum.
The car, it's one of one gold wheels andthese ridiculous flairy arches put on it.
That looks elegant.
It's American wheels, dude.
Exactly.
They, it was more elegant withthe American racing Wheels.
What has happened to it since it's left?
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The Blackhawk is RM haveput black wheels on it.
They've taken the chuff mud flaps off it.
Mudguards off it and nowit's come to Pebble in Won.
Yeah.
So I was a buffoon to miss thatit was potentially gonna win.
There was that blue lancer thatI thought was a potential winner.
Yeah.
We, we usually make predictions onlike, who might be the best in show?
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Do that Ollie.
I wouldn't, Ollie, I always get it.
I, I know.
I always miss it.
I miss it.
Look, you got it right.
I literally just, you got itright a couple years ago in
that black Mercedes, whatever.
Oh, the auto barn courier.
Yeah.
When that one couple years ago on that oneyou said, oh, that could be best in show.
Like we arrived late to the tourthat year and you saw it driving by
and you were like, that could win.
Yeah, we followed it on theroads around Pebble, didn't we?
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Yeah.
This was a couple years ago.
Yeah.
We'll, we'll do a link to that car.
It was a lovely car.
Is there anything else weneed to cover about the week?
I, I just wanna say thislittle, this little fact here.
Pebble Beach used to be akind of elegant whatever.
The point is that it used to be onething and now it's turned into this
thing where it's like bring your McLarensix 50 s, bring your Ferrari SF 90 and
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it's become less of a bring your PorscheBoxster and you see more super cars.
Then you do classic cars.
I mean, I know I've only been goingfor however many years, and my dad's
been going for, for like four years,and my dad's been going for like
the last probably 20 years now, 20.
Gosh, I think he can, I think hecan back me on this, that there's
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less classic cars parked up andthere's more super cars parked up.
I don't know how, I think that's a,that is an interesting way of expressing
how, how it's changed, I suppose.
This is one thing that I've talkedabout in other post Pebble pods that
I've done, where I've talked about howI feel like now there are many, many
people who come to Pebble and who don'tgo to any of the same events that I do.
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Or that we do, they don'tgo to the star of the tour.
They don't go to, theydon't go to the main event.
They definitely don't go to same.
And they don't go to any of the auctions.
They don't do any of the, most of thepeople at the track, the Ferrari hat.
He was at the track for qualifyingpractice race one and race two.
He was there for all four days.
He was there for the Monterey Historicsat Laguna Se and WeatherTech race wide.
He wasn't there for Pebble Beach.
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Concourse de Yeah.
And link to that.
And we're gonna end on thisnote, Ollie, I cannot believe.
We didn't mention the bedazzled AstonMartin Valkyrie that we stuff on the park.
Oh yeah.
So we went out to dinner to the Rio Grill.
I stuffed my face with ribs andas we came out into the parking
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lot to hop into our $26,000 ToyotaTundra, $20,000 Toyota Tundra.
We Konig Seg Rera, orI don't, I don't know.
These supercar, therewere three Konig Segs.
Current.
Just parked up, just parked likein Car Valley, just parked up in
front of, in front of a Starbucks,in front of a Safeway in Car Valley.
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Next to that, there was a AstonMartin Valkyrie, which had, you
must know those like sticker jewels.
Cupboard in those.
Yeah, I, I overheard the lady whohad done it was just like parked up
next to these outside of Starbucks.
Um, so some whipper snapper, somelady, some lady teenage photographer
guy was telling me that the guy thatowned the Valkyrie is an influencer.
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Yeah.
Everybody's like recording, like I'mstanding next here to about $6 million
worth of coning eggs and this bedazzledValery and it's just like, shut up.
But it was quite cool Sam witnessing that.
It was cool.
And I overheard this lady talking about,and she was like, this is my third car.
I'm like, that she bedazzledthe third car you've ruined
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it, added 15 pounds to the car.
I heard.
So, um, I was chatting to thatteenage photographer Instagram type,
um, and he was, uh, he was tellingme that that Burgundy Kerig s that
was the rera, the R two were left.
Yeah, apparently he reckonsthat was the actual car.
That set the production carrecord at 277 miles an hour.
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No.
He, all he knows is, was theone a burgundy rera Did that.
All right.
That's all he knows.
Well, about how manyburgundy RAs are there?
Well, every rera that's sold iseither in like gray, like that
carbon fibery look or burgundy.
Oh, but burgundy's a commoncolor for regret for kerig.
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Seg Re, is it?
Yeah.
Good Lord.
On that note, thank you foryour time and thoughts, Ollie.
Yeah, thank you for bringing me on here.
Thank you.
Drive through.
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John Summers is the motoring historian.
He was a company car thrashing technologysales rep that turned into a fairly inept
sports bike rider hailing from California.
He collects cars and bikesbuilt with plenty of cheap and
fast and not much reliable.
On his show, he gets together withvarious co-hosts to talk about new
and old cars driving motorbikes,motor racing, and motoring travel.
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Good day.
Good morning, good afternoon.
It is John Summers, the motoringhistorian, part two of Pebble Beach
2025, as reviewed by me and the boytoday looking at, uh, the time that
we spent at the Monterey Historics.
At Laguna Seka and the big show itself,that Pebble Beach, Concord de la go.
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We didn't really do the auctionsas thoroughly as we might
have done this year, did we?
Because the next day we wentto Laguna Acre and camped.
I mean, I love the G of Seka.
All the categories.
Their categories arelike all my favorites.
Like there's a group C category.
I love Group C Cars.
My favorite car ever behind theLicken house, oh oh seven LMH car
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is the Porsche 9 6 2 in Texaco.
Liveries.
There was one there.
I You didn't know.
I didn't see that car.
Oh, there was a Texaco 9 6 2 there.
So, just to be clear, we wentout on the Friday, didn't we?
We did the auctions on the Thursday.
There was, there was a Formula Oneclass that was on the, on the Friday
we licked our wounds at the ridge Mark.
Then we came back on the Friday.
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I got up, that was the day whereI got up at the cracker of Scro.
You have a sleep in?
And I went shopping, didn't I?
I was back with the shopping beforelike eight o'clock in the morning.
Bacon with my Wagyu beefburgers that never break.
Never got eaten.
Yeah.
We're gonna have.
For dinner tonight, we're gonna eat.
We're and they're gonna be muchbetter cooked up by your mother
than cooked up by, uh, cooked upon that Terrible cooked up by Jack.
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No, I'm not knocking Jack.
I'm not knocking.
Jack.
Jack made our dinner, so I'mnot knocking he for that.
He, yeah, he did.
Jason did.
The burgers that we ate were Jack.
Oh, the sausages with Jason.
I have a funny story about,but, but listen, but listen.
Right, so we went out to the track,the campsite, we camped, didn't we?
With Jack, with the, with the Joy Titus.
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In the bed that now the JoyTitus is a custom air mattress.
I'm gonna add it then madefor the 2016 Toyota Tundra.
This is not sponsored.
This is not sponsored.
You can get the Joy Titus ata price of it was 79 bucks.
Anyway, 79 bucks.
And to be honest, commend it.
Don't for a comfortable night's sleep.
I don't recommend it.
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You don't?
I don't recommend it.
If it hadn't rained,we'd have been all right.
I don't recommend the joy if we hadn'thave been right on top of the hill
where it was really windy, where Icouldn't even get the canvas in the bed.
Right.
There were six men there.
There was Jack and his son.
And then there's another friendof my dad's who's has a son.
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And then there is a man wearinga man wore shirt in this room who
also has his son because we were onthe outside of the raining curves.
That's why Jack, there wasn't it?
There were, there was my dad and twoof my dad's friends, they all had sons.
We were all about the same age.
And anyway, the pointis we all brought bikes.
The place where we were like camping,it was like loose gravel basically.
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And everybody's out there likesitting in their camping chairs.
You know there is oneman, Jean shorts, jorts.
Plaid, is that what they call it now?
Short.
Sleep.
Yeah.
Jorts and Lucas loves them, dude.
Um,
well seriously, or in an ironic way?
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Kind of both.
He only likes them 'cause his dad.
'cause Eric hates them a good, he'slike, he, you were in the store and
he was like, my dad would love those.
And he points out likesome army camo shorts.
Anyway.
Anyway, so there was a man ina Ferrari hat in a plaid shirt
with jorts on short sleeve shirt.
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Anyway, like loose surface is reallygoing to drift on, on your pedal Bikes
we're drifting around and I, on mybike came up and I drifted not in front
of the guy, but like in proximity.
How far away to the Ferrari house, howfar away would you say you were from him?
Seven feet.
Six feet, probably sixfeet, and he was like.
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Yo, fuck off man.
You're kicking up a bunch of dust.
And I was like, okay.
So I went over and I told myfriend, Alessandro, he, he's a
little bit of a troublemaker.
As soon as I told him that storyand what he said, Alessandro's
like, I'm gonna go and piss him off.
That's exactly what he said.
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I'm gonna go and piss him off.
So me and Luca were watching him rideoff and he drifted, you want me to
name the feet we need to go into, weneed to go into inches for this one.
He drifted like eight inches away fromhis, away from him, and the dude in the
Ferrari hat went, he, he grabbed his legand went, man, a little rock, kidney.
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And these rocks are likethe signs of pebbles.
He was like, ow, man.
This pebble just hit me.
Anyway, that was just thestory of Mr. Ferrari hat.
Well, thank you for, for the, forthe inappropriate Anglosaxon story.
Um, and you might well thinkif my mother's listening, she
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would think, well, not only.
Where you were?
Where were you, Jonathan?
And I would say that I was nearby.
I was only a short distanceaway when this was taking place.
But you only hearduntil the following day?
Well, because I said to you that nightwhen we went to bed, I was like, 'cause
you boys were riding around all the time.
I was like, you musthave had some adventures.
Not all.
Did anything happen?
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And you were like, no, no.
There were no incidents.
There were no incident.
And then in the morning, then in themorning when we were having coffee, you
were like, oh, that bloke over there.
He told me to off.
And the thing with it is those peopleon that side of the campsite, right?
If you were camping over there,you couldn't see the track.
Like why would you camp overthere like where we were?
You could see down onto the track, right?
No, but the reason we, wherethey were recently, we took
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the Ferrari, that was it.
The bloke with, was it thebloke with that escort mark?
What?
The bloke was near that escort mark one.
I don't know what you're talking about.
There was a car that wascovered in a tar over there.
It was like an escort mark, one thathad kind of two big wheels on it.
It was bluish.
We kind of took the Ferrari hattedguy for granted because at his word
and did well, I just wanna pointout that if he would've said, Hey,
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can you not drift in front of me?
And this all would'veplayed out differently.
He wouldn't have swear, or maybeit would've 'cause he's annoying,
but, well, he swore at you.
If he hadn't have sworn at you,it, it wouldn't have stro wouldn't
have wanted that reaction.
Mm-hmm.
What else was memorable aboutthe, uh, about the camping?
Walking.
Walking in the paddockthat was very memorable.
Walking around in the paddockwith my friends, that was fun.
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What was cool about that?
I was, because we're kids.
Mm-hmm.
There's kind of like a freepass to sitting in cars.
Did you sit in a lot of cars then?
Yeah.
Or did you sit in Well, wesat in a bunch of mustangs.
'cause like Ford was there.
We sat in the new Mark four.
I should have said that whenwe were still talking about it.
No way.
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I didn't know that.
Yeah, we did.
Wow.
Dude, that was Spro.
We saw, we sat in a gold one.
It was, I should say, I was the lights,I was tired by the time we got to, once
we got to the camp, I was like few.
I just like sat in the camp chair.
You can see the CO from the spot whereat we could see, could see porch,
the cos group and you can see 'emgoing right round the rainy curve.
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Oh wow.
During the Group C group I waswatching, of course, 'cause
it was my favorite group.
And whatever the Groupness Nissanscalled came down the corkscrew and spam.
He is a car length offor he's a car width.
Off of the apex or no off of the exit?
Mm-hmm.
Where you're going to be on the exit.
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A Mazda 7 87 B comes down,spins, does like a J turn look
and move sneaks past the Nissan.
Nissan.
Then a pink 9 6 2 comes up.
And spins, barely avoiding the NI Nissan.
The NI Nissan has moved by then there'syellow flags out just after this.
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The TransAm group and the GroupC Group went at the same time
'cause they were both small groups.
A black TransAm car wasn'tclose enough to see what it was.
Came down and.
And then they closed it.
Apparently the Nissan, Nissanhad came in the power too.
Early span dropped oil and that'swhy the 7 8 7 B span the 9 6 2
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span and the Trans Am car span.
So there was an oil spill.
The kitty litter truck came out, poureddown some stuff, work back to racing.
You boys went down toum, turn six as well.
Yeah, that is, Jack was saying hereckons that's the best place for
Jack was not lying when he saidthat was a really good place to.
Set up why we went down there forthis historic Formula one class
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and it's just, you're so close.
Mm-hmm.
To the cars, you feel like youcould like reach out and touch them.
The spot where you're watching,you can also camp there.
If you're like 10 camping,you can camp there.
Mm-hmm.
So there was a bunch of peoplecome out their tents on the
inside of turn six or the outside.
Outside.
On the outside, that's the good place.
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'cause then they'retaking the racing line.
So they're on the outside of the track.
Yeah.
So then you're even closer to them.
Where we were standing, therewas just like a big drop off.
And then the track there wasjust like, for me, and I'm
short, I'm like four, eight.
It's like neck height.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, of a fence.
So if you really wanted to, you couldclimb down and just go down there.
But we didn't do that.
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The historical one class, it wasa very good spot for that class.
You can see them like as they're likepounding the brake, you can see their
body like shifted over to one side asthey're trying to like downshift while
they're like one handed, like turning in.
It's just, it's a cool spot.
I'm disappointed.
I was too lazy to get down there.
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I think I was building the campsite.
I was building the Joy Titus.
Well, let's take a minute to talkabout the night really quick.
Oh.
I mean, it rained.
The night was a, was a adventure.
Yeah.
'cause when the sun goes, so theystopped racing about five 30 and it
seemed like by six 30 the sun was down.
We'd add like our burgers.
By that time we'd made friends withthe people at the campsite next.
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Yeah, yeah.
These people, these people werecooking a pig and they'd be cooking
it all day and we were meant to godown there, but we didn't end up going
down to eat their pig sandwiches.
Well, that was because the blokesnext to us, they were a bunch of
engineers and one of them his hobby.
Was making distilled liquors.
He made one especiallycalled the Cork Screwed.
That's cool.
That's actually a good name.
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Yeah.
The uh, but the, it was alllike absent kind of flavors.
He assured us they weren't poisonous.
So, anything else aboutthe overnight experience?
Well, it rained, didn't it?
So I could have bought a tent.
Terrible Joy.
Titus Terrible is justthis inflatable mattress.
I did buy Canvas to go over it,but, but it was so windy you
couldn't get the Canvas card.
I couldn't put that down.
But I also bought bivy bags, whichhappened to be emergency single use thing.
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So we had the sleeping bagsinside the bivy bag, didn't we?
No.
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we went to sleep and I woke upand it was raining and I was cold,
and I realized I was cold because Iwas wearing a sweatshirt and jeans,
sweatpants or whatever, pajama pants.
I put my arm out of the sleeping bag.
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I don't know why I put it onto whatI thought was the joyus, but actually
there was a small gap between theJoyus and the bed wall and that had
filled with water, and I just dumpedmy arm into that pool of water.
My arm was like freezing like crazy.
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I was like trying to pull up mybivy bag, but it was all wet.
It was like soaked, so itdidn't really help you.
And then like, oh shoot,now my hand's all cold.
And it's like, oh no, I justtouched a cold part of like a
wet part of my sleeping bag.
Shoot my other arm's freezing now.
Yeah, it, it was, uh, it was an adventure.
Not the best planning by me because whenI woke up the second time, I really had to
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pee, but I was like so afraid to get outtamy bag 'cause it was so wet and I left my
shoes in the bed in between me and my dad.
So I could like grab them ifI had to go to the bathroom.
But then I realized like, ohshoot, they're all soaked.
Mm-hmm.
I had to hold it till the morning.
Yeah.
There was no way you, like, you couldn'tmove at all, like roll over at all.
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'cause like you're worried you'llroll over into patch of wetness.
Yeah.
Well you would.
You would, you would.
Because uh, when we got up and we tookour sleeping bags off, we had noticed
that the Joy Titus had changed color.
Yeah.
So the water there was just like.
Two imprints of drynesswhere our bodies had been.
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And then everything else, like inbetween us and all around us was
just like this darker joy, tus color.
Alessandra had some kind of flightor something to do from Hong Kong.
Yeah, he was, he was gonna flya plane or something, he said.
I dunno.
So, uh, they left he Jason andleft really early, didn't they?
And then, um.
Jack and Luca hang on a little bit.
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And then they went, and then by aboutlunchtime, we were the only people.
Yeah.
On there.
We were the only people on the campsite.
So we trotted down to, um, the paddockarea, got some chicken tenders.
Well, you had some food.
I was over it.
By the time I couldn't eat anythingby that time, slept properly.
And we were, we were so tiredand like fatigued, we were
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just like, oh, screw this.
And we buggered back to the ridge mark.
Yeah, we, uh, beat a hasty retreatback to the Ridge Mark Resort and Spa.
Slept, showered, watchtv, recovered ourselves.
And then what about the big show itself,Ollie, the first time biggest you
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ever went to the Pebble Beach Concord.
So every year since I was like seven.
I had gone to all the thingswe had just talked about.
Instead of going back to the ridgemark, my dad would've took me home
and then he would've driven back.
'cause he was a docent.
He would work on the day andhe couldn't deal with me.
But this year, the docentprogram had been canceled because
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three buses had got stuck.
Explain that.
And then, well, that's rather political.
Actually, but the docent programhas been downsized, hasn't they?
And we think it's partly because last yeara lot of certain kind of ticket holder
had got stuck and had missed their tours.
So people had felt like therewere lots of extra docents and
therefore, yeah, uh, fewer docenttours were required this year.
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So meaning that I coulddo this, do show with you.
Definitely a silverlining in the cloud there.
Yeah.
So firstly it was nice to not haveto get up at three o'clock to be
able to, and you know, in order to bethere at like five 30 kind of thing.
It was nice to be able to get up atlike, we drove right in, no traffic
at, yeah, that's a big thing.
Parked on, uh, yeah, drove right inwithout any like stoppy start and
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it, we went in on the highway 68.
You know, highway one,highway 68 entrance.
We went in that way and just drovestraight in, no Stoppy Starty parked.
They had us park up at theside of the road just round the
corner from the Inn, Spanish Bay.
We were on a bus straight away,straight into the show, dumps you out
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at the top of Peter Hay Hill, so youhave to like walk down Peter Hay Hill.
So there is quite a walk.
But I realized that as we were gettingthere, you know, I was saying to Ali
that there are really three shows.
There's the actual concor.
Then there's the concept car lawn.
There's ca and then, then there'sCasa Ferrari, because really Casa
Ferrari's like up the hill fromthe main show, but there'll be like
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50, 60, maybe even as many as 80.
There's, so there's a Ferrari out there.
There's, there's a variety.
There was a Ferrari 4 9, 9 P wasthere, Michael Schumacher's Formula
One car was there, as we said earlier.
But then there's also like GTOs.
Yeah, there were three GTOs weren'tthere, that three 30 L and b that I
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love the three Tour de France together.
So you could compare door handlesand the color of the Loures
and light covers and yeah.
And so that was really cool.
You spent a while explainingthe difference to me between
the four A eight gt I I, I saidbefore, I love Group three cars.
And there at Casa Ferrari there was fouriterations of Ferrari Group three cars
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and I gave my dad a crash course on that.
Yeah, there was a Ferrari four 10.
That was probably my favoritecar of the whole event.
I loved the 3 7 5 plus thatthey had at rm, but I loved even
more that X shall B four 10.
They they, that was on,that was Upper Cara Ferrari.
They also had Louis Hamilton'sFerrari Formula one car.
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I don't know how they did, 'cause likehe's meant to like use it, but it was
number 44, so it was definitely his.
So that, that was cool.
So the entrance of the show, therewas the long look for Glick at house.
Oh yeah.
There was a, well it wasn't, itwasn't an LMH car, which was sad, but
it was oh oh three or three oh oh.
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SC.
G Scooter.
Or Carmen.
Or Carmen, I can't pronounce it.
Licken house.
It was a stick.
So no paddles, which mydad was surprised by.
Honestly.
I was too.
'cause it's, you could be seenor it is a super car brand.
Little surprising.
What'd you like on the concept Car?
Well, it's hard to describe concept cars.
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Yeah.
What did you like?
That's why I said there was that Mercedesthat are quite like Was the what?
There was like that naturallooking thing like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard for the viewers toknow what's on the concept car.
Along there was a, if you can namea car, I can put a link in and
they can find it, but I can, well,that was that orange Mercedes.
Something.
Yeah, it was a tribute.
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Had six real tail lights,which I thought was cool.
Two group three Porsches, one of whichhad like a tiger motif on it and two
of the teeth were gold, which was cool.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Rexy.
Yeah, Rexy.
Yeah.
Alright.
Onto the lawn.
Onto the lawn itself.
Big show itself.
Ollie, how was that for you?
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First time it was great.
I will forever go on thelawn when I can if I can.
Much bigger than I expected.
So many more cars than what went on tour.
There were at least like a hundred morecars that went on that went on the tour.
But 'cause my dad has insider connections,as you could say, we got some influence
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on who was best in class from some ofthe judges that my dad is friends with.
Yeah.
Well, we Ted around, didn't we?
Well, I know one of the guys thatjudges preservation class, so we chatted
with him a little bit, didn't we?
Yeah.
Um, about what he, uh,what he looked like.
I also know somebody who prepared oneof the cars that was in the COBRA class,
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so we talked a little bit about that.
Yeah, I had a good chat with him.
He was impressed by my knowledge.
Which felt good.
Good.
He's an episode.
He, he owns three Cobras.
You know that Tom Cotashow Bonfire Hunter?
Yeah.
There's an episode where he is onthat show where Steve's on that show.
That's cool.
Doesn't own those cars.
He looks after the for people.
Um, well, yeah.
Another feature Mark,other than 75 years of.
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Formula one was, um, cobra.
So they had the best examplesof every iteration of Cobra.
So they had the closed top ones, theyhad the narrow hip ones, which those
are the ones where the fender goes overthe rear wheel, which I don't like.
They had the classic open, top, regularhip, or straight, not over the wheel.
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And, uh, they had some,a race open top ones.
They had like at least two of thebest examples of every iteration.
I was kind of surprised they didn'thave Carol Shelby's actual car.
'cause you're at Pebble Beach.
I don't know.
It's probably destroyed or something.
Well, it was also big block cars only.
It was four 20 sevens only.
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Yeah.
But why would Shelby have a small block?
Well, because he originally had asmall block and the small block cars
were always meant to be much morestreetable than the big block cars.
True.
But yeah, I and Shelby must be handy.
I take your point that you mighthave expected to be a car where
the Shelby connection, there wasa class of moretti's, wasn't that?
Which is tiny, tiny cars.
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Like little.
I feel like if I feel like that couldbe my, I could drive that if I had
to pick a car to drive right now.
I could drive that.
The class of Invictus that was the bestin one of the Invictus was best in class.
Well, our best in in show.
No, no.
Yeah, it was that brownie.
The best in show wasthe Hispano Swer tulip.
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Oh, I get these things mixed up.
I should tell you alittle story about that.
I knew that car.
But when I saw it on the field, Iwas like, oh, it's a tulip wood,
but it is not as handsome as theone that was in the Blackhawk.
Well, this is the same car, butit's been redone and in my opinion,
it's been redone to be less elegant.
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The problem is what the problem is.
It's been really done well.
It's probably stock.
It's probably stock.
And that's why it's one.
Yes.
Because if the more, I mean that'swhat, that's the little bit of the
confusing part of Pebble Beach.
'cause it's like.
Elegance, I'll take off the ponywheels and put on the American racing
ones, and then it's like stalk.
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I take off the American wheelsand put it back on the ponies.
Yeah.
The thought of a Fox Mustangappearing on the Concor audit
Pebble is, is, well, that's just,that's just not, that's the first.
That, but that, no, but no, butthat's example, that's a really
great way of, of thinking about it.
Ollie.
Um, just back to the cobras,the close top is called the lm
and Jim Farley was at Laguna.
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He's the CEO of Ford.
If he didn't know he was atLaguna, he has a LM edition Cobra.
So close top.
He won his race pretty Hadley.
He just drove off at the front, didn't he?
And he, he owned, did he own a BRM?
He owned that BRM that was on the lawn.
Oh, really?
The Graham Hill one, if you'veseen the movie Grand Prix.
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What?
What's, yeah, well name.
That was my favorite car in the, oh,there's era, so sixties Era Bureau.
Yeah.
And it's the car that'sdriven by hot staar.
Character, character, character.
I get the, I'll get thepronunciation right in the end.
Yeah.
That tulip wood car, Ollie.
It was built for the TargaFlorio 1924 Targa Florio.
We had it in the Blackhawk Museum andthen I have a book about the history of
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the type of Flo and I was looking throughit and I was like, it's a one of one.
It looked nothing like itlooked like in the museum.
The car, it's one of one gold wheels andthese ridiculous flairy arches put on it.
That looks elegant.
It's American wheels, dude.
Exactly.
They, it was more elegant withthe American racing Wheels.
What has happened to it since it's left?
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The Blackhawk is RM haveput black wheels on it.
They've taken the chuff mud flaps off it.
Mudguards off it and nowit's come to Pebble in Won.
Yeah.
So I was a buffoon to miss thatit was potentially gonna win.
There was that blue lancer thatI thought was a potential winner.
Yeah.
We, we usually make predictions onlike, who might be the best in show?
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Do that Ollie.
I wouldn't, Ollie, I always get it.
I, I know.
I always miss it.
I miss it.
Look, you got it right.
I literally just, you got itright a couple years ago in
that black Mercedes, whatever.
Oh, the auto barn courier.
Yeah.
When that one couple years ago on that oneyou said, oh, that could be best in show.
Like we arrived late to the tourthat year and you saw it driving by
and you were like, that could win.
Yeah, we followed it on theroads around Pebble, didn't we?
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Yeah.
This was a couple years ago.
Yeah.
We'll, we'll do a link to that car.
It was a lovely car.
Is there anything else weneed to cover about the week?
I, I just wanna say thislittle, this little fact here.
Pebble Beach used to be akind of elegant whatever.
The point is that it used to be onething and now it's turned into this
thing where it's like bring your McLarensix 50 s, bring your Ferrari SF 90 and
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it's become less of a bring your PorscheBoxster and you see more super cars.
Then you do classic cars.
I mean, I know I've only been goingfor however many years, and my dad's
been going for, for like four years,and my dad's been going for like
the last probably 20 years now, 20.
Gosh, I think he can, I think hecan back me on this, that there's
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less classic cars parked up andthere's more super cars parked up.
I don't know how, I think that's a,that is an interesting way of expressing
how, how it's changed, I suppose.
This is one thing that I've talkedabout in other post Pebble pods that
I've done, where I've talked about howI feel like now there are many, many
people who come to Pebble and who don'tgo to any of the same events that I do.
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Or that we do, they don'tgo to the star of the tour.
They don't go to, theydon't go to the main event.
They definitely don't go to same.
And they don't go to any of the auctions.
They don't do any of the, most of thepeople at the track, the Ferrari hat.
He was at the track for qualifyingpractice race one and race two.
He was there for all four days.
He was there for the Monterey Historicsat Laguna Se and WeatherTech race wide.
He wasn't there for Pebble Beach.
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Concourse de Yeah.
And link to that.
And we're gonna end on thisnote, Ollie, I cannot believe.
We didn't mention the bedazzled AstonMartin Valkyrie that we stuff on the park.
Oh yeah.
So we went out to dinner to the Rio Grill.
I stuffed my face with ribs andas we came out into the parking
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lot to hop into our $26,000 ToyotaTundra, $20,000 Toyota Tundra.
We Konig Seg Rera, orI don't, I don't know.
These supercar, therewere three Konig Segs.
Current.
Just parked up, just parked likein Car Valley, just parked up in
front of, in front of a Starbucks,in front of a Safeway in Car Valley.
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Next to that, there was a AstonMartin Valkyrie, which had, you
must know those like sticker jewels.
Cupboard in those.
Yeah, I, I overheard the lady whohad done it was just like parked up
next to these outside of Starbucks.
Um, so some whipper snapper, somelady, some lady teenage photographer
guy was telling me that the guy thatowned the Valkyrie is an influencer.
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Yeah.
Everybody's like recording, like I'mstanding next here to about $6 million
worth of coning eggs and this bedazzledValery and it's just like, shut up.
But it was quite cool Sam witnessing that.
It was cool.
And I overheard this lady talking about,and she was like, this is my third car.
I'm like, that she bedazzledthe third car you've ruined
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it, added 15 pounds to the car.
I heard.
So, um, I was chatting to thatteenage photographer Instagram type,
um, and he was, uh, he was tellingme that that Burgundy Kerig s that
was the rera, the R two were left.
Yeah, apparently he reckonsthat was the actual car.
That set the production carrecord at 277 miles an hour.
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No.
He, all he knows is, was theone a burgundy rera Did that.
All right.
That's all he knows.
Well, about how manyburgundy RAs are there?
Well, every rera that's sold iseither in like gray, like that
carbon fibery look or burgundy.
Oh, but burgundy's a commoncolor for regret for kerig.
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Seg Re, is it?
Yeah.
Good Lord.
On that note, thank you foryour time and thoughts, Ollie.
Yeah, thank you for bringing me on here.
Thank you.
Drive through.
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