Oswego Supermodifieds a Legacy of Speed at the Steel Palace

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Brake Fix's History of Motorsportsseries is brought to you in part
by the International Motor RacingResearch Center, as well as the
Society of Automotive Historians,the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
The Oswego Speedway located inOswego, New York was built in 1951

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when original owners Harry George andWilliam Caruso converted the one-Time
Wine Creek horse track into a threeeighth mile dirt auto racing facility.
The track was paid during 1952and remained a three eighth mile
until 1961 when it was enlarged toits current five eighth mile size.
The Oswego Speedway has been acontinuously run weekly racetrack

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since it opened in August of 1951.
Dick O'Brien, former public relations andtrack manager at Oswego Speedway, kicked
off this IMRRC Center conversation aboutthe history of supermodified racing,
where he spent 40 years in motorsportsand spoke to the early history of the
track and how it has significantlyinvolved this discipline of racing.
Following his presentation,drivers from Oswego's over 70 year

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history were invited on stage.
Bentley Warren, Warren Conium, Eddieand Brandon Bellinger, Allison Slode,
the only woman to win a super modifiedfeature, nine time champion Otto
Siderly, Dave Danzer, and car owner andpromoter John Nicotra answered a wide
variety of questions posed to them bythe voice of Oswego Speedway, Roy Sova.

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Enjoy this fun and insightful view on howOswego and Super Modified Racing has been
a major influence in their racing careers.
Welcome to the center conversation.
Oswego Super Modifieds, a legacyof speed at the Steel Palace.
We've got some outstanding Hall ofFame drivers, future Hall of Fame
drivers here at the InternationalMotor Racing Research Center.

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And to start our program I'm goingto call on Dick O'Brien, long time
track manager at the Oswego Speedway,who was involved in the change from
the Modifieds to Supermodifiedsand the growth of the Supers.
Dick?
I think we're going tohave a great afternoon for
Supermodified racing right here.
We've got a lot of great drivers, owners,a lot of people that donated to the sport.

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I'd like a special thanks to the Purdyfamily for, uh, Bringing their iconic
race car here and making things happen.
But what I want to talk aboutinitially is what happened before the
Supers got there and the changeoverinto the Super Modified Division.
And Harry, Bill, and GeorgeCaruso always loved auto racing.

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In the late 40s, theybought a modified stock car.
They raced it, SandyCreek and Vernon tracks.
Dante Rapone was their driver.
The car wasn't very fast.
Being the sportsman that they were,they went out to Chicago to Andy
Granatelli and bought a motor from himof STP fame, put it in their race car.

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It still wasn't very fast.
So, the next step, they wentout and bought the Long Dorman.
Vine Creek Racetrack, which was locatedon the site of the Oswego Speedway.
And they were going to clean up the dirttrack and use it for a practice track,
so that Dante could pick up the pace,maybe, and be a little more competitive.

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Well, this was a period, postwar, racetracks were popping
up all over the country.
And then he says, We're, we'resort of messing with maybe
the wrong end of the deal.
Let's build a racetrack.
So they built Oswego Speedway.
It opened in 51.
It's a half mile dirt track.
They ran seven races that year.

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Charlie Berry of Salve won theinitial race of her run at Oswego.
One of the winners thatyear was John Terese Sr.
And his son, John Jr., andEric now own Oswego Speedway.
They ran seven races there.
They opened up in 52 with a halfmile dirt track, rough, bumpy, dusty.

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They were sailing dust all over Sweden.
Didn't like it.
They shut the place down after four weeks.
Paved, reopened in August,is a half mile racetrack.
The next thing, we had the threebrothers, Harry was upstairs,
overseeing the tower and the finances.

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Bill was good inspecting the cars.
He was good with tubing andwelding, and he was our inspector.
And George Sr.
ran the concession stand.
And he's the man responsible forbringing those world famous Hoffman
hot dogs to Oswego Speedway.
So things rolled along during the 50s.

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And in 57, two things happened.
They added a second division.
These were for flathead motor stock cars.
They were called B's.
And then the overheads that hadbeen running, they were the A cars.
And they were the big hitters.
You know, Swifty, IrishJack, Ellinger, Bliss.
The A's got a bigger purse than the B's.

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They were a faster car.
Their motors were a little more expensive.
At the end of that year, theCarossos decided to run a big race.
They had some cars there.
They had a decent turnout of fans.
So they ran a 100 lap international class.
Irish Jack Murphy won it, won 1, 000.
So things moved along.

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In 1961, that was a very, very importantyear in the history of the racetrack.
First of all, the track was enlargedto its present 5 inch mile size.
So the racing got a little faster.
They were having someproblems with the B's.
The B's had more cars than theA's, and they wanted equal cars.

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The Caruso brothers talked it over,and they didn't feel that, you know,
the A's were drawing the people,and they went back and forth.
And finally one night, they struck.
So the B's came down andblocked the racetrack.
You couldn't run any races.
The Carusos asked the police to come,and they opened the gate, and they
asked all the B's to leave the property.

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And to my knowledge, I don'tbelieve there's ever been a flathead
race at Oswego since that day.
They also had a deal for Nolan Swift,who was the top dog with the 10 pins.
He built a two framemodified for the 61 season.
By the rules of the day,that was an illegal car.

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And it kept going back and forth.
You know, he kept demanding, youknow, let me run, let me do it.
So at the end of the year, as acompromise, they said they could run
it in the And the classic race hadbeen building since 57, it now is the
biggest asphalt modified race around.
And it was billed as an opencompetition modified race.

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So what happened, cars came fromMichigan and Canada, these were
super modifieds, but they cameunder this open competition rule.
The crucials were in a tight spot.
You had a pit full of modifieds,and you had a few supers.
What are you going to do?
You had a big crowd.

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Finally, I guess, it came down to Harry.
And Harry said, I like these supers.
Everybody's got modifieds.
Around Oswego, Fulton, Utica, Spencer,Lancaster, Shaverlock, Albany,
Saratoga, all had pavement modifieds.
Harry liked these supers.
It was different.

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He says, let them run.
It wasn't popular.
They dominated.
Bennett, Lloydy John got a Trump role.
Bennett wins the race.
A lot of crumbling fans.
So, in 62, he opened the rules up.
He says, We're going to run Supers.
Well, that sounded good.
The Michigan cars come in.

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There were no local cars.
Other than Swifty, he's the onlyguy that could stay on the lead lap.
But, Harry, Put money into the purseand he said some of you local guys go
out and build some cars or get some carsGuys are taking the bodies off the cars.
Jimmy Champlain was there had anold 10 pins car He took the body

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off in 62 and started his career.
He wasn't very good, but obviously hepicked up the pace a few years later.
And he turned out to be the manout there for many, many years.
But he kept putting money intothe purse, and now you've got a
situation where the field is building.
We've got a really good weekly show.

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The next thing you know, the, uh,switch to supers was basically complete.
It took a while.
When it took money, he had a little motto.
Money brings cars.
Cars bring people.
And he used that.
Even though the crowds weren'tthat big, once he kept getting
these cars, we went from a localmodified truck to a regional truck.

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Guys started coming in.
Todd Gibson.
Norm Becker came in from Canada.
Bentley Warren comes in from New England.
The people liked that mixture.
Of the out of town invaders.
Versus the local guystrying to pick up the pace.
I've been there an awful long time.
I was there 40 years at the racetrack.
I think the most important decisionin the history of the Cerrico Speedway

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happened in 1961 when they wentagainst the grain while they basically
threw the modified rulebook out thewindow and they brought in the supers.
But, they followed it up withmoney and made that class
develop at the Cerrico Speedway.
I got one other quick story andthen I got to stay out of the way.
Everybody wants to keep things moving.

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You know, they were runningin the 60s, Saturday night.
Superzone.
3H, 2 semis, Patsy, 45 lab, A main.
I was working up there then,in the early 60s, 64, 65.
I used to talk to Harry, I said,Harry, we got to run a race.
We got to do something a little different.
The classics coming along.
And he says, well, what would we run?

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He says, well, We couldrun USAC sprint cars.
They had Indy type drivers, Rutherford,Branson, Plusky, Omsers, were all
running sprint cars back then.
He wasn't too excited aboutthat, mainly because they
never ran in upstate New York.
He never saw a USAC sprint car race.
I did.

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I used to go from Reading andgo here and there to the races.
And then I said, you know, if we rana race, I think I could get Mario
Andretti up here in a sprint car.
And I did.
To an old guard Italian, likethe Caruso family, having a
Mario dread on their racetrack.
That was a big deal.
He said, Dick, if you canget a dread over on the race.

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So I says, okay.
So I went down the line onto a USAC Champ car race.
I went up to Mario, introduced myself.
I said, we're running a bighundred lap race in August.
I said, we'd really liketo have you up there.
He said, I'd love to.
I got a really fast.
Wally Muskox was my owner,and he's, he's good.

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He said, I gotta havesome travel money though.
I said, well what do you gotta have?
He said, a thousand dollars.
Well, 1966, a thousanddollars was a lot of money.
I buzzed right over to thepay phone, called Harry up.
I said, Harry, I can get Andrettito come to the suite on Mars.
It's gonna take a thousand bucks.
He thought for a minute,he says, make the deal.

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We're ready to go.
So I went back, shook hishand, we're ready to go.
No contract, no paperwork, just a oneon one, shake the hand, there we go.
August comes, we're upstairs,Harry and I, we're looking off the
tower roof, along the lines of theconcession stand, it's a beautiful day.

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We're going to sell out the Trump grants.
I get a call from Danny Bartlett,Pitt signing, he said, There's
that drainage down here.
He won't sign in until he gets his money.
I said to Harry, I said, Harry, I'llrun down, I'll get him signed in and
get him inside and he'll be ready to go.

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Harry said, no, I'll bring himup here, I'll give him the money.
I want to meet Mario Andretti.
So I bring him upstairs, I bringhim upstairs, Harry Caruso,
Mario Andretti, shake hands.
Next thing I know, They'retalking in Italian.
Where they're from, where theydid, you know, the whole deal.

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Ten or fifteen minutes.
Back and forth in Italian.
I have no idea what they're talking about.
Then I get a call from the bitch.
It's Wally Muskowski.
He says, get in dirty over here.
We're ready to warm up.
They only give you two warmup sections for the sprints.
I gotta have him over here.
So I told Harry, Harry,he's gotta have his money.
So Harry always carrieda big lot of bills.

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That's it.
Pulls him out, big thickrubber band around him.
Takes the rubber bandup and it flips open.
There's a stack of ones.
Takes down to the bottom part.
And there's all the hundreds.
And drives like this.
There he peels off ten 100 bills.

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He was in his driver's seat.
Takes them, pulls them up.
Puts it in the separate pocket.
Closes it.
Goes down.
Sets fast time.
Wins the 100 lap race.
We got him back the next year.
In 67.
In 67.
And he, uh, had the leader card.
Sprinter with a big Ford 4 cam motor.

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Dominated.
Twin 50s.
Wins them both.
He's got his twin brother Aldo there.
And they raced for the first timein USAC competition together.
Aldo wasn't very good.
Sorry.
But Mario put on the show again.
So we ended up the deal.
Mario Andretti's careerrecord at Oswego was unbeaten.

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Three feature wins out of three.
We were, at that time, the topsuper modified track in the country.
And having IndyCar drivers and peoplelike Andretti there elevated our
status as one of the top pavementshort tracks in the country.
That's it, folks.
The early years of the SWCCO speech.

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One other person I want to recognizeis one of the former track owners and
one of the sons of one of the originalowners, Romy Caruso, who's back here.
Now the main part of the show.
I'm going to introduce all of thepeople who are down here on our page.
I'm going to introduce them inalphabetical order by their first name.

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Which is also ladies first.
Ladies and gentlemen, Allison Sloan.
Bethany Warren.
Brandon Bellinger.

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Dave Dancer.
Eddie Bunyan, 83.
John Acotra.
Arnold
Sidderly.

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And Warren Coneyan.
Just to run down a few things.
We've got, uh, Eddie Belmingerwith two track championships.
Brandon with one.
Arnold Sidderly with nine.
Eddie Belminger with two.
Warren Coneyan, he had two.

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And of course, Bentley had six.
Classic wins, Dave Dantzler withone, Otto Sidderly with five, Eddie
Bellinger with five, Bentley Warrenwith six, and Warren Coney with two.
So we've got some highpowered people up here.
What we're going to do iswe're going to ask questions.
Uh, we've got two microphones, they'llpass them around as we ask questions of
the individuals up here on the stage.

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And I want to start out with Bentley.
Bentley, you won your first everClassic in 1969 in the Purdy Deuce.
What do you remember most about that race?
Winning it.
Okay, Allison, next question for you.
No, go ahead, Ben.
It was certainly a uniqueopportunity for you, the iconic

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number two, to take it to the win.
And then, of course, next year you leftthe ride, Warren and Cody took it over
and went to USAC racing for a while.
Yeah, so what?
Batman can be like this,he can also be a nice guy.
Alright, Warren, Pauline,what are you next?

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That's a hard act to follow.
Well, you gotta be ableto say one or two words.
We're good.
Warren, when you drove the FerdieGoose, it started out as a Small
block car and you talked to thePurdy crew and, and Howard Purdy and
had it converted into a big block.
Why did you do that?
Well, I told him the first nightI drove the car the week previous

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to the classic, told him thiscar's a little short on power.
And he said, no kidding,it's a four by four.
I said, well, all the cars I'vedriven are four by fours, and
they had more snot than that.
So he went home and, uh,made a couple changes.
He put a big box in it.
Came back and, uh, surprised me theweek later with a big blockhead.

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What difference does it make?
Power?
Well, it didn't have a heck ofa lot more power than the 4x4.
Like, a good 4x4 is a pretty good motor.
Anyways, it did the job.
Interesting, since it got the prettygoose, it almost never ran a full season.
It had under 100 total featureraces at the Oswego Speedway.
And the average featurefinish for that car was a 5.

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8.
Eddie Bellinger.
You were the first driver, andI think the only one, who made
a pit stop and won the classic.
A lot of other drivers have triedit before you and after you,
but you made it work that year.
I know it was a plan you had going in.
Why did you decide to do it that way?
The tires weren't reallyholding up all that great.
We just kind of felt like, We just hadto do something to get a chance going.

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And did you practice the pit stop?
Oh, the boys did.
I didn't.
So they're still doingthe work for you now?
All I had to do was pull it and stop.
Get it out of gear.
Get it back in gear.
Alright, Brandon.
Your grandfather was a track championthree times at the Oswego Speedway.
Your father's been a track champion.

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You won the track championshipa couple of years ago.
First ever two generation family to win.
First ever three generationfamily to be track champions.
What does that mean to you?
As a competitor or as a person?
It was definitely a pretty special win.
I feel like getting a swiggle,even winning a heat race is hard.
But much less, you know, if youcan do anything beyond that.
I mean, winning a feature is hard.
And to have the opportunity andto be able to deliver one in a

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championship is pretty special.
You've got the classic win as well.
Your grandfather never won a classic.
I don't have a classic win yet, butI'm going to change it this year.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
Alright, Alison Sloan,in last year's classic.
They're the first woman who everwon features at the Oswego Speedway.

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I know you yourself consider yourself arace car driver, but in the history of
supermodifieds at Oswego, there have onlybeen three women who have ever competed.
Sheila Hayes, who was quit a few yearsago, probably before you were born.
Jen Chesbrough, and now you.
When you get into acar, what do you think?
I mean, does that everenter in your mind at all?
No, being a woman is not somethingI consider on the racetrack.

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How did you get started?
I know you started in, what, TQs?
I started at quarter midgets when Iwas seven, and I raced locally until I
was sixteen, and then I jumped into athree quarter midget with Lou Ciccone.
It was Lou Ciccone.
He wanted to get out of his ISMASupermodified, and he reached

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out and said, You want a trackchampionship in a TQ with the ATQMRA?
You know, he's like, here'syour next step, buy my car, and
that's kind of where we headed.
Dave Danzer, you come from a longracing family at the Oswego Speedway.
They've been there practicallyfrom the beginning.
Through all those years,they had never won a feature.

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until you started driving.
What did that mean to you, to beable to put your family's name up
a little bit higher at the track?
A lot.
I mean, I remember going back in theday, and we didn't even make the show.
It was huge, and, uh, I remembershowing up at Classic Weekend a lot
of times and counting cars, thinking,yeah, they ain't gonna make the race.
Moved to the next steps, been pretty nice.

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Hopefully we can continue to move up more.
It's just been a lot of work and alot of effort in the graduate program.
Now Otto, you got your start on the dirt.
You had a pretty goodcareer going on the dirt.
You moved over to the small blocksuper modifieds at the Oswego Speedway.
What got you to make that move?
Probably going to the trackin 1990 the first time.
I'm watching, my high school buddysat next to me and we drank Miller

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Genuine Draft, so we used to say thisguy was one of our picks, and Bentley
was the other pick, and just watchingthe cars, you know, um, the speed,
the noise, the thrill, the feel inthe grandstands, so yeah, I was racing
probably a stock car on dirt then.
You know, I think I got to a pointwhere I had to make a decision.

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I was going to move out of thestock car class and go into a
modified type class, and thelimited super modifieds came about.
So for somebody on the outside,I, you know, so many kids.
That race.
Super modifieds now are thirdgeneration, second generation.
I had no roots.
I was a, basically a relative.
Nobody I, I think it was justsomething that I looked at and

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said, that's attainable to race.
A small black, super modified.
So that's sort of probably whatbrought me There was a limited
super modified back then.
And then you moved into the supermarketbuys, which again was a pretty good step.
You owned your own car for awhile, had a lot of success in it.
Yeah, I ran part yearswith the small block.
I really didn't have thefunds, so I crashed it.

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I basically was out of business,temporarily, until I could
patch something together.
And, you know, after we won a fewraces, and I had a car that was a
commodity, I sold it and did well.
And all the equipment, and reallyI didn't have to put a lot of
money with it to buy out a team.
I bought Jeff West's backup car.
It was the entire operation.

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You can't buy an engine.
today for what I bought thatwhole entire outfit for.
It was not even 20, 000.
I actually talked to Eddie abouthis, and they were along the same
lines, but there was a lot ofequipment that came with Westy's car.
So yeah, then we ran, you know,Rookie of the Year in 2000.
I won a couple of races here and there.
I ran really consistent, and then when theHawk car came along, and I bought a used,

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needless to say that was the right move.
I won a lot of races thatlast year, and basically at
that point I was out of money.
So, uh, pretty much I decidedI was going to be finished.
And then he hit it.
One phone call.
And it's been an interesting 18 years.
John, I remember you and I talking onthe roof at the Oswego Speedway before

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you got your deal together with Otto.
And we talked about it as being a goodchoice for you to go in that direction.
But what made it yourfinal choice to pick Otto?
The whole plan was to get a carready for Davy Hamilton, if he ever
recovered from his serious injuries.
And I had talked to quitea few different guys.
I was friends with Muldoon, andyou know, I talked to Otto, and I
talked to this one and that one.

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And honestly, Muldoon called me onetime, and he goes, Otto's your guy.
Because, you know, I was even thinkingMuldoon, Timmy Snyder, I didn't know.
You know, I was so green.
But I knew Otto, and Doug Carusointroduced me to Otto, and I watched him.
I could see that he was the real deal.
Went that way, and uh, I tookMuldoon's advice, and it turned out

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exactly what I would have hoped for.
Alright, Dave Ganser, we talked aboutyour family history and everything,
and being the first driver in yourfamily to take a car to Victory Lane.
When you first switched to thesuper modified, your very first
time on the track, it was nota real pleasant experience.
I think you got two laps in.

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I think I got about 40 thatday, but I think I had 41
on the trip to the hospital.
But, uh, yeah, that was, uh, throttlehung up, and that was actually,
I think, that was a Furlong car.
That's the one he wonall the classics with.
So that one's a write off.
Yeah, that's how I started.
Then I went back to the small blocks.
That was the interesting thing.
A lot of people didn't think youwould go back to small blocks and

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take the year off, but you did.
You went back to small blocks, putanother supermodified together,
and came out the following year.
Yeah, I went back, and then Istarted talking to Hawksby, and we
started putting something together.
We spent all winter long, and he reallytook me under his wing, and I just
really fine tuned that thing we didtogether, and every rookie year we
came out swinging, we were really good.
John, you were saying?

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When, uh, he got the hum thralland crashed that super first time
out, I was coming through the walkthrough gate, and he was coming out.
And I felt so bad for him.
It bothers me right now, buthe had tears in his eyes.
You know, he's put a lot of workand effort into becoming the
Dave Dantzler we all know today.
He started in a bad way.
Well, you know, the whole family overthe years has done a tremendous job

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of putting race cars on the track andhaving some good drivers, having some
mediocre drivers on the track, andnow they got one of the best in Dave.
It was a bit of a classic last year.
Well, let's go back to your firstfeature, Winner on the Squiggle.
I remember talking to you after therace, and you said in the interview
at the track, that all you had to dowas concentrate on hitting your marks.

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You had the lead, you justhad to hit your marks.
Yeah, so consistency hasbeen one of my strong points.
It's out on the racetrack, especially atOswego, and it's pulling off the corner
in the exact same spot and enteringthe corner in the exact same spot every
time, one and two and three and four.
It worked out for me.
The classic last year, you wererunning in second late in the race.

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At one point it looked likeyou may be able to make a pass.
I think a yellow flag came off maybe?
And that kind of ended your dayin terms of winning the race.
Yeah, to be honest the entire race Iwas just focused on getting around Dave.
And when, uh, Barnsey camearound both of us at one point.
I was like, eh, we're just goingto let him run off and, you know,
we'll catch him later in the race.

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I don't know about you, Dave, but Ihad no idea that he ran out of fuel.
So I was so concerned about catching him,that I had no idea going into one, we had
both passed Farnsley running out of fuel.
And in the meantime, you ended up witha podium finish, finishing second.
Right, right.
Great race.
Now Dave, in that race,that was a very hot day.
And I know a lot of drivers suffereda little bit of heat exhaustion.

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When you get out of your car,you look a little bit tired.
Did that affect you in the race at all?
No, uh, usually once you're in the mode,you get palm effects and you're probably
going to be fine for a little bit untilyou realize what the hell happened.
I just got out of the car, Ijust thought I threw it away.
There you go, you see Barnes you'redriving out of your life, it's
kind of like I just needed to freethe car up just a little bit and

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you got what you got in that race.
I mean, you can't really change whatyou got and with the way the cars
are right now is where you startis where you're going to finish.
Our goal was to put the thingon the front row and kind of
hopefully stay there all day.
Well, luckily I didn't lead all200 because I had a couple people
tell me they were probably goingto kill me that night if I did.
So, luckily Barnsley went around andI had no idea he ran out of fuel.

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I thought that was Jack Patrick, so Ithought it was between me and Allison
for second and I had no idea I wonthe race until Chuck came across
the radio and said pull outside.
Now, we've got three of the four driversfrom Eddie B and 83, which Chance started
just as soon as you, well, pretty muchas soon as you passed through the lead.

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If you don't remember the race, or ifyou haven't seen it, Eddie B and 83,
the last lap and a half of the race,Doug Hagerhund was winning first.
Bentley Warren was running second.
Warren Coney was running third.
Eddie Bellinger was running fourth.
Before they came down to thewhite flag, Eddie was able to
get by Warren to take over third.
And then this is where the action reallystarted, coming out of the second turn.

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Now I had started to say, Around lap195, that Havron was running out of fuel.
At which point, Doug Caruso said tome, Roy, this is a dog race, you're not
going to make it exciting by doing that.
Doug Havron was running out of fuel.
Warren, you were runningthird at the time, Eddie got
by you, how did that happen?
I was right close tothe back end of Bentley.

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And when Dougie ran out of fuel,It's sort of freight train, and I
got right up close to Bentley, and Icouldn't get out and go around him.
Eddie was back far enoughthat he got a good run.
And I couldn't get by themuntil I let out of the throttle.
Now I think you told me at onepoint, other than that in the race
itself, you felt otherwise you hada chance to win in that feature.

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Yeah, well, you almost go there,but I think you're not ready.
Bentley, you were running in the numbertwo spot, going into that white flag lap.
Doug had been running out of fuel.
He was bogging down particularlybad, coming out of turn two.
You came off the second cornerright behind Doug, and he almost
stopped, and you ran into the backend of him, which caused you a

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couple of positions, and that's whenEddie and Warren both got by you.
I didn't want to pass Dougie becausehe won the thing twice in a row.
And they were just taking meas an invitational driver.
And the car was running beautifully.
Ed said, pass it, pass it.
And I, I didn't answer back.
I don't know if he hadtwo way radios or not.
I didn't say anything.

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I just followed him.
And I said, he's going to win.
And when he bought, I hit him,and that's when Eddie and Warren
and all of them got Eddie B in 83.
It was a hell of a win for him, andI was very, very happy for him, and
I think I drank half of his beer.
But I've done that alot of times, you know.
Now, going into that race, about halfwaythrough it, I thought, you thought your

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car was running pretty badly, and you hadeven given it thought to dropping out.
Yeah, I was just an average car, in fact,I had a real bad front end shake, so I
couldn't really go in the turn crate bar.
One time I actually thought aboutpulling in, and I thought, well,
I'm not going that bad, I'll juststay here and get what I can get.
And so that's basically all I was doingthe whole race, was just hoping to get
what I could get, and it just got morethan I thought it was going to get.

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When did you realize Dougwas running out of fuel?
Well, you know, we were at alittle bit of distance in there.
I actually could see him kind ofreally slowing down in the turn.
And like Bentley said, heconked out and they kind of hit.
And it opened up a hole.
I just happened to be there.
It was his luck.
I was on Doug's crew that day anduh, he was running out with 10 to go.
We knew it.

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But we knew it with 10to go, he was in trouble.
And then whatever these guysended up doing, that's, that's,
that's for the history books.
When we talk about classic wins,Otto, Bentley's got 6, you've got 5.
I don't know.
I know you've had a couple of shots and atthe end, you know, you've had car problems
or something, but is six doable for you?

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I would think so, yeah.
One said that every time yougo to the track, any of these
guys would say the same thing.
If you didn't think you had a shotat winning, you wouldn't go, so.
We have a good car, for sure.
We'll see what happens, you know, there'sa long time between now and the end
of the summer, but just a little sidenote, everybody's got their stories.
You can talk about all the races you'vewon, and you've done this and that.

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There's some races that I didn't win,that I can't even shake the memory.
And one of them is the 2015 Classic.
I had a car that was driving itself,it was, It's just a little tight all
day, and I mean it was just on rails,anybody could have drove this thing,
and it got out front, and it just hada nice, almost a little too much of a
push to it, and I came around a lapper,I think it was four or five laps to go.

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Nine laps to go.
And he was still pushing.
So, and I, and I, it was BrianSilvis, who's a friend of mine.
I helped him along when hewas, you know, first starting.
And, um, you know, Ithink he got a land flag.
But, it was two or three laps in a row.
And he really just didn't move.
And he was right sortof where I needed to be.
My car was tight enough that.

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I had to be careful, and I had aguy signaling me, you know, that I
had a nice lead, but I still didn'twant to just sit there that long.
So I went down into one, and this carnever slipped a rear wheel all day.
And I went to the outside, and thenall of a sudden it just like, stepped,
and I turned to the right to catch it,and it did the slowest, longest slide
sideways from, you know, the exit ofone all the way over to the exit of two.

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And I sat there smiling.
As the leader, not many laps to go.
I have to track ahead.
So if you think that somethinglike that doesn't weigh on you,
the wins don't mean anything.
Whenever I think of that year, becausewe gave the championship away too.
We won six regular races that season,and lost the championship by two.
Three and a half points.

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So those are some memories that I havethat don't go away . Now Brandon, you
got your first feature with a couple ofyears ago, your first track championship.
You're still working onan international classic.
When you started the oh two, thefirst car that had the, the tail
wing they're using now, how did thatcome that you were going to do it?
And what did you thinkabout it at the time?

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To be honest, I think it was a surprise.
There was kind of two generations ofsuper modifieds at the track at the time.
Some cars had more engineoffset, other cars didn't.
You know, the ones with more offset,they were able to get a lot of air
to their tail, which we had an oldergeneration car that we couldn't get that.
So I feel like we were competitive, butjust lacked a little bit, it seemed like.
So, I think that's why we got picked.
It's just, we were a competitive car thatwe could compare to the newer generation

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of the Hawksby cars at the time.
And see how, uh, that tailwing compared to the rest, and
it was, it was an experiment.
I think the way they set it up was,wherever we finished, like, everyone else
got moved up a spot, we got paid money,and, and, I don't really, the first night
we went to try it was a Friday practice.
We got one time on the track, and someonehad an engine problem and oiled up the
track really bad, so, like, I couldn'teven really get up to speed after that.

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So, I think they decided, like, well,we want to try it again the next day.
It was kind of an in the moment decision.
We were game to try it.
I guess the rest is history now.
Now that's what we all run, so.
But there's a little changeto it this year, isn't there?
Yeah, there's a littlebit of an angle change.
Definitely going to takeaway some downforce.
I think all of us are probablylooking forward to getting to
the track and seeing exactly whatyou've got to adjust on your car.
And, uh, how much it's going tochange, you know, what it fits up.

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It's going to slow them down a lot.
Maybe, maybe it only slows them down with,won't be that much with new tires, and
it's more of a slow down with old tires.
Right now, Allison, Otto was just talkingabout it, that there's always the one that
gets away, or the couple that get away.
Before you won your first feature,you lost a couple, when you had
a great race car, but didn'tmake it to the checkered flag.
Now I'm going super modified.

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It took me a little bit oftime, not as much as I thought,
originally, to get used to the car.
Because I was used to the Ismawing, and the downforce, and
You know, going a lot faster.
I remember Otto and Johnny both tellingme, like, Hey, you can't drive this
like an Isma Super into the corner.
And I said, yeah, okay.
And I, and I went in the firstcorner, I was like, oh shit.

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Yeah, I can't, I can't drive it like that.
So, it did take me a littlebit of, you know, learning
curve, but I tried to listen.
You know, it doesn't, doesn'toften work out that way.
But, you know, I've been very fortunateto race with both these guys, so.
Thank you for that.
Bentley, you won your last classic drivinga Jeff West car in 1998, I believe.
It was kind of a last minutedeal to get in the car.

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Nobody expected you towin, maybe not even you.
And all of a sudden you're invictory lane with your sixth classic.
Well, Jeff gave me, you know, wealways say everybody gives you a great
car, he gave me a really good car.
It was set up for him, and he liked atighter car than I liked, or a looser car.
And I remember taking the front wingoff it because it was too loose for me.

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And he did a whole bunch of stuff, changedshocks and everything, and I just rode
up there on a coin like I called, he'dasked me to drive earlier and I wasn't
going to, and then I called him back andsaid yeah, I'll drive if you want to.
He said, no, I alreadygot somebody driving.
I said, okay, well no problem, I'lljust stay home and ride my motorcycle.
So then he called me back,he said, well if you want to
come up and drive it, you can.
So I jumped on my motorcycle, I threwmy fire suit in the thick middle of

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this trailer, and rode my motorcycle up.
And we, I drove, I drove the car.
It's just kind of a Funny win, causeI think Mike Muldoon lost a rear end,
Eddie Shaysky was winning, came aroundfor the green flag, with about 10 to go.
I remember I straddled the oil, a lineof oil, in the middle of it, and uh, it
was clean, but it still had the speedydry down, and I straddled it, and uh,

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Eddie Shea's car went through it, andhe got a little bit sideways and just
gave me enough bite that I could win,and then, uh, then I think Dave Hamilton
was coming up on me, and I could hearhim, so I, my car became very wide.
Now, that race, you timetraveled pretty well.
When did you think, Igotta shut the windows.

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I, I told Jeff after practice.
When I went up with the fullfuel load, the car felt awesome.
I said, we got a goodchance, we got a good car.
We can really probably win this racewith a little bit of classic luck.
And we had the classic luck.
John?
So Davey ended up second thatday at the classic, right?
The sheet panel was alldented on Bentley's car.

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He had gotten some kind of tangle andlooked like a junk rolling around there.
And, uh, Davey comes in after the race,he goes, God, who the hell's in that
black car with all the damaged bodywork?
I go, oh, you mean the winner?
Yeah, that was Batman.
Oh, no wonder he was riding.
No wonder that car got wide.

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He got a spark.
Eddie, when you got started racing,you know, I understand your dad
had been racing at the track for awhile, was a three time champion.
As I recall, he didn't know you wentout and bought a Todd Gibson car.
Yeah.
No, actually he didn't.
Of course, you know, I grew up mywhole life around the speedway.

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My dad never really, you know,he wasn't the type of guy to just
go buy cars and all that stuff.
If I wanted one, it wasgoing to be up to me.
I had saved up a little money, borrowed500 bucks from one of my buddies, and
I put 500 bucks on a credit card, andI had some cash, and I called Todd up.
Made a deal on the phone.
I paid an extra 400 bucks for thatold single axle trailer he had.

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I was working for my dad at the time.
Well, my dad got to work that morning.
He was got there before I did.
And Tom Gibson was sittingin the yard waiting.
Dad comes out, he goes,what are you doing here?
He goes, well, your sonjust bought this car.
I think all he said was, hmm.

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Now, Warren, you drove for anumber of different owners over the
course of your career at the track.
We mentioned earlier you werein the, uh, the Purdy Deuce,
got a feature win in that car.
You drove it for one year, andthen the next year, you switched.
You went to somebody else.
Why was that?
Howard wasn't going to run afull schedule, and I wanted
to run a full schedule.
That's why, you know, we changed rides.

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Who was the best in order you had?
That's not a good question.
They think it is.
I, I, you know, I drovefor so many great people.
A lot of Rutledge dates.
You name them.
I drove for a lot of good people.
Came out of it with alot of great friends.
What more can you ask for?
And you drove 25 years and thenpretty much just walked away.

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Yeah.
It was not too many racesafter your last classic win.
Yeah.
It was the classic win when I retired.
That year I got driver of the year.
You know, they had the banquetat the end of the year.
I got driver of the yearand a few accolades.
And I'm thinking all the time, you know,Ryan, my son, wants to start racing karts.

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I thought, you know what, afella doesn't get a chance
most times to go out and race.
With Classic Wynn.
I got up to say a fewwords at the banquet.
My wife had gone to the washroom.
And I was supposed to drivethe following year with Joe.
And, uh, That's Joe McGarry.
Yeah.
I just got up and all of a suddenthe words came out of my mouth.

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That was my last race.
And my wife was standing atthe back of the hall, came
down, I sat down at the table.
She said, so now what dowe do on Saturday nights?
And I believe your response was,go to the window and throw 500 out.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was, uh, that was about it.
And I don't regret a minute of it.

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A lot of drivers retire and then comeback and run a race or a couple of
races and start racing over again.
You've never done that.
No, I did drive a race, well, not arace, an event up at Cayuga Speedway
when Brad Littke had bought the trackand they had a bunch of old race cars.
I had a buddy of mine, well, AlWebster owned Gary Witter's car.

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Al Webster bought an old Teddy Hogan car.
And I don't know whether youremember Teddy Hogan, but he
did ride a Swiggo years ago.
But anyway, he bought this oldTeddy Hogan car, and he asked me
if I would drive it in this race.
So I said, well, yeah.
Then Brian looked at it, and I alwayslooked at race cars that Brian was
going to drive, and I'd say, no, Brian,you're not getting in that race car.

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And Brian went over and looked atit, and he says, Dad, I wouldn't.
So I said, that'll be fine.
It's just, you know,warm up sort of thing.
A buddy of mine, his name is BernieRedick, had built a brand new Jimmy
Howard car, exact replica of JimmyHoward's, for Howie Standall to drive.
So Standall wanted to race, we getout there, we start racing, going
faster, and this car, this Hogan car,that I'm driving, is going down the

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straightaway, and it's like from onewall to the other, and I'm just saying,
please, throw the checkered flag.
It's like I was getting nervous.
They threw the checkered flagand went to pull in the pits,
and the pitman arm fell off.
So, I'm in the pits, and I said,Al, the nut for the pitman arm came
off, and the pitman arm fell off.

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And he said, oh, well, he says, uh,I'll see if I can find another nut.
And I said, no, the onebehind the wheel's done.
I'm going up there inthe tower to drink beer.
It's just another WarrenConey of not story.
I'm pretty sure, mighthave been a classic.

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I can't remember, he'll verify this.
The caution's off, he's in front of me.
And all of a sudden, this wheel duckcomes off and lands right in my lap.
What the hell?
Where the hell did that come from?
I'm hoping it's not mine.
Well, pretty soon, about a minute later,his left rear, I believe it was, was
flying so that it was his, it was his.
Luckily, we're under caution.

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Alright, Dave Dancer, you had a,uh, pretty decent year last year.
Winning the Classic, and thengoing out to Vegas and winning
the East West Shootout, 5, 000.
What made you decideto go and do that race?
I talk to Doug Kells every once in awhile, and he kind of got in my ear,
and I got a little one coming in June,so I just found out, and I go, Hey,

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I don't really want to stop racing,I just want to go do something wild.
I talked to my father, I said, Hey,let's go to Vegas and try to run with it.
He looked into it as well, andwe started getting the car ready.
I've heard the story.
I don't know if you can verify it or not.
Early on in the race, you lost yourradio and it was down on the floor.
And you turned in some pretty erraticlaps while you were trying to get it back.

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Yeah, I was swerving all over the place.
I was afraid to tug on it.
I usually clip a radio over on my leftside, and usually it's tight in your belt.
As soon as I did, it fell, and then Igot caught underneath the fuel filter.
So, it took me about 8 laps to get thatthing out of here, but, I was up against
the wall, I was in the, I looked drunk,I'll be honest, it was, it was pretty
bad, it was, it was some pretty bad 8laps, and, then on the restart, I said,

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alright, time to get focused, and, Ijust buried the top, just kept that thing
longed up, and strode around everybody.
Now, there's going to be a rerun ofthat race this year in California.
And there's also going to be akind of an east west shootout at
Carraway Speedway in North Carolina.
You can go to either of those.
As of right now, we'regonna hit them both.

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Good.
Brandon, what about you?
You gonna hit some out of town shows?
Yeah, I'm sure we'llprobably hit a few this year.
We don't have, like, anexact schedule or anything.
We're probably just momentdecisions, almost like how Dave
was for the Las Vegas race.
You know, if the car's in goodshape and it's an opportunity
to go, you know, it's somethingwe'll probably consider taking it.
For some reason our car is all smashed up.
Well that complicatesthings to make another race.

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You're making that decision basedon Dave's success last year?
There's a few people thathave actually done it now.
I mean, Ableton had success with theircar going to, you know, some ISMA races.
Dave had success withhis going to ISMA races.
And even for ourselves, you know,we went to Evans Mills last year.
Kind of solve some of our heatingissues that we've had with the top wing.
And we didn't win the race,but it was a pretty good run.
And I think there's a lotof room for improvement.

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So it definitely gets you motivated totake your car and do some more racing
with it, you know, with differentrules and different organizations.
Allison, on your rollcage, it says Chick.
Where'd that come from?
It's been my dad's nicknamefor me since I was a kid.
And Johnny, uh, adopted it as well, so.
There's two people in this world that cancall me Chick, it's Johnny and my dad.

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Now, I know there's some question aboutwhat your plans are for this year.
I've been told before that Johnnyand Otto want a downside, so they
officially did it this year, and,and shook my car off to Canada.
They want to focus on running ISMAand the Wing Shows and everything that
Johnny's put together, so I'll take abackseat to that, to the champ, right?
And he can, uh, go win some races forthe team, and, um, I'm gonna enjoy

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a little bit of the shore this year,and getting to travel not to Oswego.
I'll hit the track every oncein a while, but I'm looking
forward to having the summer off.
Okay, but I don't see this as an end.
You never know, Roy.
You never know.
Bentley.
Now here, here's another story I heardthat maybe only you know the true answer.
When you first got into racing, youwere building your first race car,

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modified or something like that, and youweren't a very good welder at the time.
And you finish welding something,and we're working underneath it,
and it fell down and knocked out.
I was working on a farm in Essex,Mass., 14 years old, and riding my
bicycle after work, which we got donemilking cows and stuff, around 3.
30.
So I'd walk to Danvers, which isabout 15 to 20 miles away, and I

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was welding the roll bys and bumpersand all that stuff on my car.
Long story short, a guy welded a wheelfor me, offset wheel, I was wicked proud.
Put a Buick tire on it, it was a blownout tire, but I put a patch in it, and
I looked like a real big time racer.
Went out and practiced, and I blew theright front tire in the cab, went off
the bank, and Hit the telephone pole.

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My back bumper fell offand went under the car.
The right front wheel of the guy weldedstayed on, the front bumper stayed
on, and a rope out on the back of theroll cage hit me in the head, shoved
my head through the uh, shifter lever.
They counted me out to the hospital at 14.
Before they got to thehospital, the nurses were all P.
O.
's because What the hell is thiskid doing driving a race car?

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They made me sit thatwheel like a stuck pig.
But that was my first race car.
Alright, now Otto, you've had, asI said earlier on, you've had a
tremendous career at Oswego, nine trackchampionships, an all time record,
and of course your five classic wins.
You haven't raced full time at Oswego thelast couple of years, you've done some
ISMA, MSS races, you've got a title there.

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What's your plans for Nothingwas written in concrete.
This guy's got the five race series.
The first two races are his races.
So we'll be there, oh, the opener,with the car we call, now, Betty.
It's, it's blue.
That was Joe Moriarty's old car.
Great car, that's the carthat Al ran last, the last two
seasons that he ran for us.
And then the next week is the ISMA show.

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That's gonna go his, his race.
And then really, if opening nightgoes good, we could be there the third
night, with the small wing again.
See what happens from there.
I'm not going to say that it'simpossible that we couldn't run
every race, but I don't know that.
I was talking to John acouple of months ago or so.
You had the lead going into theESMU final, didn't you, this year?

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Uh, last year, yeah.
Yeah, last year.
Yeah, we had, uh, we had thepoint lead the last two shows.
Oh, so many things.
So many thoughts because, youknow, like if you have one
super modified, that is so nice.
If you crash it really bad, maybeyou're handy, maybe you can fix
it, maybe you can put it backtogether, spare parts, what have.
If you have three, that'slike, is it really nice?

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Is it three times as nice?
It's probably not.
It's three times the work.
set up for a race car times three.
There's so much to that.
I know it's very unfortunate to have theequipment that we have but sometimes I
feel like it also maybe holds me back.
Having the workload and the responsibilityof not just physically taking care

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of it, thinking about all of it.
You know, like Brendan was saying,you know, they're looking forward to
putting a wing on their Oswego car.
You know, you look at like the A bolts.
One car and you can massage thatcar and you can learn it and get
better and better and better with it.
So, um, we acquired anothercar late in the season.
We sort of thought we wanted anengine because we've had some

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restart problems with our wing car.
And we ended up witha whole other package.
So, great car, great equipment, but that'sthe one concern I have at this point.
I'm 56 years old, you know, Iwork a day job, and I come home
and I work an entire another job.
And you're also down a couple ofpeople that would crew with you.
Yeah, yeah, we've got, you know, there wasa guy named Fish, he's retired, he's 83

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years old, he just doesn't want to do it.
Wiedemeyer, same thing.
Older, Tinney, older.
They're just not around anymore, so guysthat were in the shop that, I don't know
how old, but these guys were workers.
You know, uh, this fish and, and weedand those guys were really hard workers.
They didn't, they weren't reallya mechanic, but it's repetition.
Week after week you pick that carin the air and you peel the body.

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They learned what to look for andcleaning, cleaning is super modified.
You would think it ridesaround on a pavement track.
It's just as dirty as any dirt car, ina different aspect, in a different way.
So, the maintenance program, really, tohave a car run every lap of every race,
and we've had seasons that we've literallyfinished every lap of every race.

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Now, Warren.
Through your career, youmostly ran for other tribes.
So you didn't have to go throughwhat Otto went through with the
constant maintenance of a car.
I built my own cars in the start.
And I really didn't enjoy that.
I didn't, you know, I didn't likeworking on it, but I was capable.
I found it a lot better to showoff my helmet and my bag and

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get my percentage off the top.
That was pretty nice.
And, you know, my time was my own.
Now I worked on Ryan's racecars, never excited about it,
but you do it for your kid.
I mean, a lot of guys reallyget a lot out of it though.
You know, I know a lot of drivers thatreally enjoy working on the race car.
I mean, I know my son, he really enjoysworking on his race cars, not me.

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Eddie, you have been behind thewheel of the two seat Supermodified.
In real terms, it's a real race car,it's just an extended Supermodified.
Things differ to put aperson in the back seat.
But I remember that I think the first timewe did the Ride with a Legend series, down
by the start finish line, and you're onthe track, and I hear this loud squeal

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of tires, Which finally stops, and I randown and I said to you, Eddie, what broke?
You said, just me.
Okay, I'll tell you that, thatscared the crap out of me.
The guy behind me, you thought he justwon a million dollars, he was so thrilled.
He said, you going to do it again?
I said, no, not today.

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John, Otto was talking about theseries, the challenge series,
that has started, you know,you've had great success with it.
Honestly.
How did you get started with that?
You know, a bunch of the fans and carowners got together and things were
kind of MSS had their series, Oswego hadtheir schedule, ISMA had their schedule.

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Nobody was really breaking down the doors,you know, with an abundance of cars, so
Uh, you know, I got some owners and fanstogether and we put some sponsorship
together to help out the Speedways, youknow, subsidize some of the purses and
the point funds and stuff like that.
That's really how, justtrying to help pay.
Speedways can only do so much.

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In today's world, you know,everyone has so many things that
they can do on a Saturday night.
Crowds might not be, well they'recertainly not what they were years ago.
It's where Harry Crusoe generatedmoney, but in today's world, you gotta
try to find the money somewhere else.
Or, like Dick O'Brien said, money canbring cars, a car can bring people.

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You gotta have themoney in the cars first.
Well, you've, you've come up withsome unique ways to get money, like
Business is paying to sponsor the draw.
Yeah, A.
B.
Hamilton actually gave me that idea,and I'm thinking, you're crazy.
Well, then I tried implementingit, and it was pretty successful.
You know, you take in 30, 000,you pay out 5, 000, and it

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keeps 25, 000 for the points.
You know, each guy pays like 500 a night.
to be a pill sponsor.
Right.
And if their driver winsthey win a thousand.
So, you know, it gives the sponsor alittle something to root for and involve
them and they know they're helping.
And I mean, let's face it, youknow, that's what we all want to do
is help keep supers alive and thetracks alive and you got to try new

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stuff and that's how it started.
This will be our third year.
I think it's been very successful butI feel like we're only on second base.
Well, it certainly helpedbringing ISNA and MSS together,
where they were way apart.
Well, that had to happen.
That had to happen.
And with, uh, the schedulingis the most important thing.
After that is money.

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Once you get to scheduling, everybodyworking together, and putting
money up, then you know, you kindagotta let us take its course.
Like I was saying a minute ago,I feel like we're on second base.
I need that one big corporatesponsor to get us home.
We're looking, looking, looking,but so far, you know, no check.

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Bentley.
Going back to the two seat supermodified, you were one in the first
group that did a ride with the legends.
And we auctioned you offto the highest bidder.
And it came down to, uh, ChrisHagerty and Bernie Finnegan.
And the bid was 650 by Chris.
Bernie apparently misread what'sgoing on and lost the last call on it,

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so Chris was going to get the ride.
Now, you went over to Chris andsaid, if Bernie also paid 650 Do
you mind if I give him a ride too?
And Chris said yes, as long as I go first.
It was just a great idea, a greatthing for you to do that day.
Well, I just wanted to help the fund.
I think it was a cancer fund, wasn't it?

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Something like that?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's a passion that Ithink all of us drivers and everybody
in the room has a passion for.
Helping things like that, and Ijust thought if we could help.
I do it, and uh, I did it, and itworked out well, and we had fun.
I don't even think I came off the trackwhen I was supposed to at one time.
I think, I think you guys were throwingthe checkered flag, then you threw
the red flag, then somebody ran outin the middle of the track and said,

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What the hell is this guy doing?
Did you like that part?
Yeah, it was, it was fun.
It was a race car.
I remember the last Super Motorcycleyou were in, the number 15.
The Napa car, and it was reallykind of a boat anchor, you
weren't going anywhere with it.
And I said to you, Bentley, you canuse the two seater, it's faster.

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I probably grieved you.
I know the other 15 car was agood car, but it just wasn't
fit for me for some reason.
They changed it, tried to make itbetter, but it just didn't work for me.
I said, wow, I must be all done that I gotin a couple of other cars and won again.
So I said, well, maybe I'm not.
So I was, I was happy to have a chanceto drive something else after that.
Now, Otto, going back to you andmaintenance and everything like that,

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working a full time job, a lot ofpeople really don't understand what
goes into maintaining a quality racecar and putting it on the track.
See, it's more than just gettingin the car and driving it.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of work.
Your last question too, yeah,we were leading the ISMA points.
Right.
And we decided, we tested it atEvans Mills the week before the race.

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Took our ISMA car and thenew John McKinley car.
Ran them both basically back to back.
I didn't really fit properly inthe out of threshold, we called
it the out of threshold car.
It felt like the car was really, it hada really nice feel, and the engine, it
was really what we've been looking for.
We opted all of us.
It was unanimous to go with that car.

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And ironically, probably a 3part broke fuel injection nozzle.
It's like an longextension during the race.
It may have been busted and beenfloating on top of the intake valve.
Somebody broke in the red flag,came out, they cleaned the track up
and we were fifth at the time thatthe car felt really, really good.
I think, you know, a hundred laps.

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If there's only maybe 15 or 20 laps in.
But we really just need it tobe around the top ten somewhere
to finish the point deal.
And when they went to push the caron the restart It may have gone from
here to that paper and it locked up.
And that was it.
So, ironically, all this maintenanceyou're talking about, it wasn't our car.
It was somebody else's work and it broke.

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It took us out of contention.
Well, John told me that was the first timeyou were ever in the lead in points going
into the last race and didn't take it.
Eddie, talking about race carsand maintenance, was it Trevor
who drove the other super?
Uh, Jared.
He had just a horrendouscrash on the front street.

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And I know you spent many, many,many hours trying to find out
what had happened to that car.
Well, we actually kind ofjust kind of stumbled onto it.
We didn't really know at first,but I started looking at it.
Basically what happened was, it waskind of a high man's fault, but it was
a little bit my fault too, because I,I had a washer, just a safety washer,
over a, you know, in behind the I mean,just in case it ever pulled apart.

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And then my washer was alittle bit too small, so the
I man actually came right off.
You know, so I'm sure that's whathappened, because Nothing was even
back right there where that came apart.
Has he ever thought about racing again?
Ah, I'm sure he probably would ifI said, There you want to go, but
you know we don't have the cameras.
I need the crew.
He's our guy right here.
So, my kids are my crew.

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Back to Dave, you know, talkingabout things that happened like
that, with your stuck throttle.
It's just one of those things thatyou can't go into a race and say this
may break because you think it's allset before you ever get in the race
car and when you get in the car youthink it's going to have some trouble.
Yeah we were trying to get thecar around for like three days
it ended up being a mag issue.

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So the entire time we got thoseinjections, so we kept screwing with
an arm and the arm stripped and myfather had an arm sitting on the wall
and goes, Hey, this will work and heput it on and lasted for a little bit.
It came loose.
So you learn your lessonpretty fast with these things.
So every time I go outthe back gate, I always.
Give us some throttle, and first thing Icheck, make sure that throttle comes back.

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Well, Allison, you haven'tbeen in, I don't think any
real serious crashes at Oswego.
Have you been in any bad crashes?
One?
John says you've been in one.
Yeah, you know, one thatbasically totaled the car.
That was me driving aheadof myself, actually.
We were going into turn one in thestart of a heat race on, you know,
like a July afternoon, and And I wasworried about making it to the corner

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first, and wasn't paying attention tothe two cars that were in front of me.
And I clipped Joe Gosek's left rear withmy right front, which ultimately broke
the whole front end on me, and I shotoff into the My husband likes to joke
that he's never seen a race car accidenttake out so many appliances within the

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house because it took out the dishwasherand the laundry machine and the snacking
container all in, uh, all in one swipe.
So, uh, I was pretty sore after that.
Put my head down and get to the shopand, you know, fix what I broke,
because it was 100 percent my fault.
Did you ever think aboutgiving up after that?
Absolutely not.
No, never in consideration.

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It was more How quickly can I workin the shop and let the guys to run
parts and pick up body panels and domy piece of it so that Otto can put
the car back together in the shop?
So, in all fairness, it was her fault,but the week prior to that was a wing
show and she ran the car with a wing.
And what did she say about herfirst time when we told her you

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can't go in the corner that way?
So she just ran the week beforewith that car with a wing
and it's entirely different.
And she went out and was thefirst lap of the heat race.
And she just was an athlete.
So, I mean, she still was sortof a little bit, it was the very
next race that that happened.
So, chalk it all up to experience.
Warren, I know we've talked about youretiring and never really thought about

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going back, but when you look at someof the cars today, the way they have
evolved, have you ever thought about justgetting to try one to see what it was like
compared to the ones you drove before?
No, not really.
I mean, Ryan said that carthat he had, he says, Take it
out, Dad, see what you think.
But no, you know, when you quit, you quit.
Back when I drove that car of McGarry's,that's when they were starting to evolve.

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Like, Muldoon was a better car.
A lot of them had more downforce.
I just thought, you know, now you're done.
I don't think you ever go back.
Well, I just meant to not race again,but just, just to drive it, just to see.
No.
That's fair.
What about you, Eddie?
No.
Ever, ever thought about getting backout just to drive your own, your own car?

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Every time, Brady, hecouldn't get to the racetrack.
He was living out of state at the time.
We had just put the mowertogether, so I just wanted to
run it to make sure it was okay.
So I went out there, of coursehe's on the phone going, Jesus
Christ, he's going on kind of slow.
You know, and then I, when Icame in I said, You know what?
I remember why I quit.
Just a cab of that.

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We were racing, my son was racing amodified, up at Flamborough Speedway.
And it was raining and everything else.
Junior Hanley, I'm sure you've heardof him, was there giving us a hand.
He's very sociable.
Ryan was off somewhere and thecars were ready to go up the track.
My wife says, uh, Warren,you better move the car up.

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It's in line.
They're in line to go up to the track.
And it was a big race.
So I said, well, Ryan can move it.
She says, no, you got to move it.
So I said, all right, put my leg up to getin the car, rip the ass out of my pants.
I said, I'll never get inanother race car again.
I started going to Dave.

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Obviously, I said, you had somesuccess in the Small Block Super
Modifieds and moved into the Supers.
Were you surprised?
That's your success in the Supers?
Yeah, because everybody tells me Iwas the worst SPS driver of all time.
Hopefully I'm not like Bruce.

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Our SPS you know, the Super career,you put yourself around good people.
Like Furlong and Hawkspeak.
They took me underneath their wingand they guided me all the way.
I mean, I was going over there somenights where I'd go out and run top five.
And I'd go over to Greg'strack and put the thing on.
It was great.
Or the tape, and he'd sit thereand yell at me for 45 minutes.
Then he'd put his lead race on,where he goes from 18th to 1st, and

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he'd start screaming in my face.
I'm like, I don't know ifI want to do this anymore.
Cause he was just so out of control,but he was an awesome coach to have.
And now he's got, uh,Taylor Hodgkin on his way.
Yeah, he has helped not only you,but a number of other drivers,
and he does it kind of quietly.
He doesn't make any big deal about it.
No, he's humble at times, but whenhe wants to get his point across,
he'll definitely get his point across.

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Well, I've seen him in that mood.
He talked me through my first win, and,uh, it was a whole road blew up with
like two laps to go when I was leading.
And, so it was a red flag, andKozak comes rolling up next to
me and gives me a little wave.
And that just got in my head,and Greg comes out and starts.
Just hit your marks,that's, that's a big thing.
Try not to overreact and be smoothwith the throttle, don't light them

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up, and, and just hit your marks.
I think Joey Payne took out Otto thatnight, so it made things a little easier.
It just, it just worked out.
When you had the car, yougot your first feature win.
I know your dad, Craig, youknow, as I said, family has been
involved in racing all the time.
He was, let's just say, veryemotional with you in Victory Lane.

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Yeah, I mean, he He started in 86.
He traded, uh, he tradeda boat for a race car.
All them years going in there,and, you know, I think they
had maybe two top fives.
So our rookie year, we cameout, we were really fast.
There was like three weekswhere I should have won.
And just, we kept having mistakes, andwe just didn't think it was gonna happen.
It was just a lot of relief.

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To have all these years, to put all yourtime and effort into everything, and
finally you've come out on the good end.
And you've won a couple dozen since then.
Fourteen.
Yeah.
Brandon, same thing with you about winningyour first feature in a Super Modified.
You haven't driven anythingelse before that, right?
No, just the Super.
Like any other driver on the stage,you probably lost a couple of

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races before you won your first.
Yeah, actually I think the,the week before my first win,
we had a, a real good going.
It was actually a, I think it wasthe first time they did retro night.
I was actually racing Maldoon too,ironically enough, and we were
both going for the lead and, uh,we made contact and kind of Ben,
our up, so I didn't go very good.
After that, ended up not finishing good.
We ended up winning thebumping week, I think it was.

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And, and it was, it was definitely,it's a feeling of relief.
Like there was a period for me, like whenI first started, it was kind of the, the
older, uh, like Shoveled Hill Super and.
We had some pretty good runstowards the end of the year.
We did some investment racing and builtour own car, and when we built our own
car, it was kind of a struggle, like,we just, we weren't even working on
handling problems sometimes, we had somany other problems, and, you know, not

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a lot of great finishes, and certainly,like, to get your first win, especially,
like, for me, I saw my dad win amillion races, it's like, Jesus, I'm
at the back of the field, I gotta, youknow, I should, I gotta do better, so.
So when you do finally get going good andget your first win, I mean, it's feeling
relief, excitement, all of the above.
Allison, the same question thatwe talked earlier about, you
lose some before you win some.

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Once you win, you win your first.
It's a tremendous confidence builder.
Yeah, it was.
I had really big shoes tofollow with Otto, so I didn't
want to disappoint the team.
You know, I kind of, on a whim theyear before, we were getting out of
ISMA racing and my dad and I didn'treally want to put in the time and
the effort to work on a car anymoreand travel as much as we were doing.

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So, we saw that, um, I guess Schulichjumped out of Johnny's second car.
I had never spoken a word to Ottoor Johnny before my dad made the
phone call after the Classic oneyear and said, Hey, heard you
have an opening, can we come run?
And I'm sure, I don't know what Johnny wasthinking, but obviously it worked out, so.
I had really big shoes to followand I was just happy that I

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could prove myself in that sense.
Wait, 1971 I think, or 70, Ithink you went USAC racing.
And you had a crash that put youout of racing for about a year.
I was running a sprint car.
It was just kind of a bad wreck I had.
And I ended up in thehospital for a while.
And actually Mary Purdy saved my foot.

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Because she was a nurse or atechnician in the hospital.
And she was in the hospital whenI was in the emergency room.
And they were going to chop it offand she said, No, wait a while.
And I said the same thing and uh,Ended up with a doctor in Toledo, Ohio.
Fixed me up pretty good.
That's why.
I could drive again, and I could skiagain, and I could do all kinds of
stuff, so I had to thank Mary Ferdieand Howard Ferdie, and I just wanted

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to say one thing about people talkingabout early driving, and the first time
I drove Howard Ferdie's car, it was sucha, it was a thrill, a huge, huge thrill.
And I had huge shoes to fill,like a lot of people hear from
Brandon, trying to fill hisfather's shoes and stuff like that.
And I was trying tofill, uh, Otto's shoes.

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And I was trying to fill Ronnie and Lex'sshoes, which were impossible to fill.
But the first time I drovethe car, I was in practice.
The green flag wasn't outyet, and I was so nervous.
That my throttles go up,up, up, up, up like that.
And, and finally we threw thegreen flag for the practice.
I thought I was going tobreak a drive shaft or a U
joint or something in the car.

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It was just such a wonderful car to drive.
Alright, Otto, since you're holdingthe microphone, I'll ask this question.
This is Dan Belinsky.
Is there any race that you canrecall that was just a lot of fun?
You enjoyed that race more thanany other race you've been in?
Oh, boy.
Anytime you win, but usually, youknow, all the work you put involved.
The fun factor really is about anhour time window at the end of the

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night, when maybe you think youhave the race won, and it happens.
And then you and all yourbuddies are celebrating, and
that might last about an hour.
And then you work for a whole weekto try to go back to get that hour.
What about you, Eddie?
Favorite places?
Now, obviously, anything in 83 hasgot to be at the top of your list.
Well, almost everywhereyou went is just fine.

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I don't even know if you couldProbably 83, watch this, because there
was so many people that never left.
There was like thousands of people,they never went home, they just stayed.
It was just a weird situation.
Just a minute ago you mentioned DanHeletsky's name, you know, his dad
built a lot of Superman back in the day.
A lot of people know that.
Warren Coney, going along with thesame vein, what about you and the

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most exciting race you ever had, orthe best way, the best feel you got?
Every win is great.
My first win in Oswego with TheRutledge car was great, of course,
seeing the smile on their faces.
The rear engine car, theChamplains, was probably the
most fun I've had in a race car.
I mean, I knew it was fast, youknow, when I was warming it up.

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But just to get to drive forPeople like Champagne callin
and askin you to drive it.
Captain Gates, he came off a winningchampionship and puts me in his car.
I drove for a lot of greatpeople and I came out of racing
with a lot of good friends.
Friends sittin righthere in this room today.
Makes racing all worthwhile.

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What about the Champagne car?
That race really ended therear engine cars at Oswego.
Had you not had the leak in itwith 15 to go, it was, it was
the obvious winner of the race.
To watch you, it was an effortless race.
You didn't seem like you were everin trouble, that you were battling
the car, ever had a problem with it?
No, I mean that car would justgo anywhere on the racetrack.

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You know, you get up in thedirt, near the fence, and the
car's in the fence normally.
That car would go anywhere.
Hats off to Jimmy, he'steamed up a great piece.
Do you think the car should,the rear engine cars totally
should have been banned?
To run rear engine cars withroadsters is probably tough.
At that time, there wasn't a lotof people capable of building

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a car like that, I don't think.
There's been a lot of rearengine cars that have been
tried and just didn't finish.
I would guess they probably came up withthe right idea, probably going back,
Roadster the Jimmy Champagne is the onethat really made antiques out of most
of the cars when he came up with the,you know, the radically offset Roadster.

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Well, then that's one of thereasons why the track decided to ban
their rear engines at that point.
Because the Champagne car had justrevolutionized super modifieds.
People were still trying to catch upwith that, and now here's another one
that they had to try to catch up to.
And that was much more sophisticated.
Well, like, Eddie and I used to joke,we had, what, 12 inch offset race

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cars, and all the guys would run 19s.
Oh, wait, finish.
You know, one or twoor three in the future.
We used to joke about havingthe best antique in the field.
All right, Eddie.
Every track has some good rivalries.
Not every driver has a rivalry.
But every track has some good rivalries.
And at Oswego, you had a good rivalry withSteve Choi to the point where when the two

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seat super modified came out, I asked youto drive the car, and you said you would.
And when I told Steve and Patthat you were going to drive
the car, And Steve said to me,How did you get him to do that?
I said, he likes me.
This is true.
Alright, but what about rivalries?

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I know you had one with Steve.
Anybody else?
I never really, you know what, I thinkwe all have a weekly rivalry, but sooner
or later, you know, we all get over it.
Being mad at somebodyforever is a lot of work.
So, I don't, I don't really,
Dave, anybody you'd liketo beat on the racetrack?
One person you want to finish ahead of?

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No matter if it's 10th or 15th or 1st.
Otto.
I mean, I think everybody downin Oswego looks to beat Otto.
He doesn't race very quickly,but he's still the guy that
you want to go in and beat.
You look down, you don't turn one.
That's the best in the business, in one.
So, if you beat him at night,you're partying pretty good.

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Brandon, what about you?
I don't know, I'd say every competitorreally, I mean there's just, you know,
even right now there's still a lot of fastcars, fast drivers, hard working teams.
I mean, I don't know if I can singleone person out that I want to make sure
I beat because I, you know, I, kindof like other people have touched on
earlier, when I go into the night Iwant to win the race and so there's,
there's a field of cars that you'regoing to have to beat to do that, so.

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2024.
You'll be racing on Oswego.
What are your other plans?
Well, definitely going to focus on Oswego.
That's something, you know,we've done for years and we're
going to do again this year.
Running the last race at Evans Mills lastyear kind of gave us an opportunity to
finally cure our, a heat problem thatwe've had in our car and the foot box
just getting too hot and burning up.
So I guess, having solved that andfinishing a race with a wing on for

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once, I think it gives us, uh, A littlemore optimism to, to put the wing on
a few times is, you know, as far aspicking it out, It's kind of something
like for us having one car just Sortof depends on how the week prior goes.
If for some reason our car endsup all smashed up at Oswego,
well, that complicates, uh,going to a wing race after that.
So it's, for us it's easyto decide in the moment.
We're last minute oneverything anyway, so.

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Okay, gave the answer.
Same question, what areyour 2020 vote plans?
We talked about, uh, you're probablygoing to go to California, maybe
Carraway, and the Oswego Speedway.
Is that about it?
Yeah, I plan on running afull Swiggle schedule, the
Swiggle Wing and the Yzma Wing.
I'd really like to maybe hit the highmiler and maybe run lead too, uh,
transport as many Super Shows as we can.

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So that's, that's the plan right now.
Okay, I hope plans are a littleflexible, but you're gonna be on
Swiggle at least for the firsttwo shows, you're on Yzma, MSS.
Yeah, if we were successful the first twoweeks, then we would probably try to go.
So, maybe we, Johnny says,stub our toe kind of thing.
Going to Berlin and all those placeswith work, with travel, with, with help.

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Really tough thing.
We've done it the lasttwo, three years in a row.
So it's, we want to race, but it's just,you know, work commitments, all that.
We're going to just haveto take it week by week.
I'm not going to rule out onein every race that we did run,
but, you know, we'll have to see.
And the high miler,Sandusky, will be there?
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.

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That's about it.
I'm going to start with Allison,and come across one by one.
Just any last thoughts on SupermodifiedRacing here today, anything?
You asked earlier about a really fun race.
It wasn't a race that I won, butit's a race that I raced Otto
against in an ISMA Super at Oswego.
The best part of it was hearing theentire crowd boo him after I got out of

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the race, because they thought that hewas jumping the start, and I actually
had, I had a stumble in my motor and itended up being a fuel pick up issue, which
the crowd didn't know that at the time.
They just had thoughtOtto was kinda being Otto.
And, um, it was really, we had areally great time after that race.
Busting balls and having a good timeand, uh, that's just something that's

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always stuck in my mind with racing.
I've had a hell of a lot of fun, meta lot of friends, and I did all, all
my businesses came from learning stuffthat I learned on Race Guys, all my
friends, and it's just been a wonderfulcareer, knowing all these people that
do it all, embracing me and everybody.
I can't ask for anything more.

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Okay, don't give the mic away yet.
Alright, Brandon, last thoughts from you.
I'd like to ask, uh, Bentleyand Warren pointed my question.
So, for me growing up, watching my dadrace, like, he made no mistakes at all.
It was perfect.
So, I guess, from anotherguy's perspective, there's two
guys that race against him.
Do you have any dirt that you can give me?
Like, um, How do you tell him?

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What was that move?
What was he thinking?
Eddie was very, very clean.
A good racer.
And I enjoyed This is what youalways say when you retire.
Everyone's like 1980 something.
I say, what an asshole he was.
No, he was always a good guy.
I actually everything I hadto race with was wonderful.
You had your heated moments.
Of the day, and I'm sure Andy had somewith me, because I remember him talking to

(01:18:06):
me in funny ways, different ways, but uh,No, we, we, we had our racing instruments,
because we both, like Brandon says, and,and Allison says, Everybody wants to win.
You go there with one thing in mind.
You want to pass the car in front ofyou, and if there's another car in
front of him, you want to pass him.
And that's what you're tryingto do, so you get PO'd and
people that are in your way.
Even though they're not in yourway, they're going faster than you.

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That's how they're doing it.
So that's about it.
Dave, last thought beforewe end, did we do more?
No, I was just wondering if morecoin had any dirt, maybe two.
Maybe that's the way to go.
I bet he does.
I bet he does.
He's telling a story.
Maybe you better.

(01:18:49):
I'm telling a story.
Because I'll tell the truth.
Anyways, it was funny.
Two different times.
Well, here we are.
We're up to queue.
It was your fault.
I'm running third, right?
I'm running third.
Well, at that time, back in those days, wealways had a passive flag and everything.
So here I am, third.

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The race is going on.
Pass the flags out, there'ssome lap cars in front of me.
So I figure, well, youknow, they're for us.
Well, little did I know,he's leading the race.
And he's behind me.
He's working a lap me,and I'm working a lap him.
I didn't get a goodlook at him or whatever.
So I come out and flip thefront wheel and smash the shit.
And then, I went down the track, andI was going to throw my helmet out.

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He's in the cruise lap.
I didn't want to throwa 300 helmet at him.
So I just threw my glovesfor something to do.
Bentley comes in after a race andsays, Hey, you dropped your gloves.
And then he comes over and putshis arm around me and says,

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Come on, let's go have a beer.
Okay, Dave.
Dave Gansel, last thoughts on today.
You're racing anything.
Glad it was a good turnout.
I mean, I love the stories.
I love all the history andstuff about racing, so this
has been a pretty cool day.
You know, it's been a dream to sit uphere with these types of people up here.
I mean, people I've looked up.
I stayed up in Turn 4 for 20 yearsand just get to watch these guys

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race for all these years, especially.
80s and 90s, so it's really cool.
Any last thoughts from you?
My whole life of SoygoSpeedway was just no regrets.
Great place to go.
All my kids go to the race andwe'll meet on Saturday night.
That's always a good thing.
You were with your dad.
It was always nice to see your dad.
And your dad was my favoritedriver all the time.
Three track championships.

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But he was with you inthe pits all the time.
You ask these guys about theirfavorite race, and of course it's
not fun to come back from a wreck theprevious week and win the next week.
But we have been lucky enough todo that, I think, three times.
Brandon mentioned it earlier withJoy, or Dave, he mentioned it.
Joy Ping took out Otto,last race of the year.

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You know, we had run threecars for class a few times.
Every time I've done it, I lookat my buddy and I go, don't
ever let me do this again.
Right?
Because it's a circus, right?
Yeah.
So, we were debating on whether to bringtwo or three for plastic in two weeks.
When I went out on the wall, andit was kind of a dirty deal, I
thought, I didn't tell all of them.
I gathered all the troops, like,everybody take off work, we're going

(01:21:27):
out, I want three cars here, right?
I was mad, right?
So, we get the three cars for plastic,and I happened to be walking through
tech that day, I told the crew, I go,get ready for a lot of blue in here.
All full of it, right?
And that day we came in firstand second in the Classic.
And, uh, so to come back from that rack,and pull off, I think, I don't know if it

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was 11 or 12, but it was one of the 1 2finishers that we had there at Classic.
That was one of myfavorite races, you know.
Echoing a lot of theseguys, I feel very fortunate.
Been a lot of hardwork, been a lot of fun.
I'm very thankful for the career thatI've had to this point, especially Swiggo.
To go there as an outsider andbecome somebody, and leave a mark.

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It's been an accomplishment in racing.
I'd like to say thanks to everybodyfor, uh, coming to this event.
Thanks for being invited.
Just great running against, uh, Allthese guys over the years and met a lot
of super people over the years that arestill my friends and Great to come away
with racing come away from racing witha lot of good friends Let's hear it

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for Allison slow billy gore and BrandonBellinger Dave Dancer Eddie Bellinger John
Nicotra Otto Siddeley and Warren Codingham
Make it to your favoriteracetrack this year.

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