What Should I Buy? - Class of ’99! - BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Our panel of break fix Petrolheadare back for another rousing.
What should I buy?
Debate using unique shopping criteria.
They're challenged to find our firsttime collector, the best vehicle
that will make their friends go.
Where do you get that?
Or what the hell is wrong withyou at the next cars and coffee?
Awesome and awkward all at the same time.

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That's how I like todescribe the nineties.
Time when bands like Nirvana, sublime andGreen Day were all we would talk about.
And the cars we salivated over hadexotic names like Supra RX seven and GTR.
That's right Brad.
And tonight our special guest is fellowcar enthusiast Mark Shank, who has called
upon our panel of esteemed Petrolhead.

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To answer the question we loveto ask, what should I buy?
And in this case, nineties cars.
So we wanna welcome Mark tothe show and our panel of GTMs
that'll be here with us tonight.
So welcome Mark.
Hey, thank you.
Thanks for having me on.
I'm excited to talk about this.
I've been thinking about this projectfor a while, uh, where I kind of go
with my next car, and I think I havelanded in the nineties, so I've been

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trying to figure out what I wanna dobefore we dive down this rabbit hole.
Mark, why don't you tell us alittle about your car history?
What's your driving today?
Mm, car history.
So, uh, I, I kind of, I've kindof been all over the place.
First kind of fast car thatI had was a 94 Z 28 Camaro.
It was unfortunately an automatic thatwas what I could afford at the time.

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The transmission went out on it and wasable to put a shift kit in it, which was
a lot of fun 'cause it would kind of breaktransmission mounts on an annual basis.
It shifted so hard, you coulddefinitely break it loose between gears.
Had a 98 eclipse, GST,which I absolutely loved.
2000 6, 3 50 z 2006.
E 46 M three.

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With the, with the manual, let'ssee, uh, had 1985 Porsche nine 11
Carrera that I picked up in 2009.
That I used as a daily,uh, in Southern California.
So I grew up in Frederick, myself as well.
Lived in San Diego for about six years.
It was such an awesome placefor air cooled nine elevens.
I mean, the, you, there were so manygreat shops that could work on them.

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There were so, like, I had this thing thatwas out in the desert, its whole life.
Didn't have a squarecentimeter, rust and anywhere.
I love that car.
Was in mint condition.
Spent a ton of money on it.
Kids came, had to get rid of it.
So I got a a, a brand new.
I ordered.
Did the track day pickup for, uh,uh, what is it, F 85, A 2015 M
three, which was the four door.

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'cause now I had a kid in a carseat, but I did get the manual in it.
I, I do think everybody shouldown a four door manual car.
It's a rear wheel drive.
It's a lot of fun.
And then I, I turned that in.
I got a 20 16 9 11 car.
I guess that was a 9 9 1 0.1.
And I have a BM BMW X fiveV eight for family hauler.
The, not the M version.

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And my, my fun car is behind me.
9 9 1 0.2. GT threewith a six speed manual.
Uh, you thought this was a,an image background behind me?
It's not.
It's my actual car.
Um.
Which I'm, I'm sitting here lookingat like having anxiety over how close
that is to the, the garage door fromthis angle, I, I, I kind of was like

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a two car person rotating cars around.
I do think I've marriedthat thing behind me.
I just love it to death.
So I think I'm, I'm, I'm with that onefor a while, but I can, I can get a lift
and, uh, I'll just put something, um,underneath it or above it or something.
So in addition to that, you've actuallydone some ter cross and track days with,
uh, PCA and some other groups, right?
So you're not just acollector or a connoisseur.

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You've been on track as well.
A little bit.
I, I do not want, do not want to overrepresent my track experience at all.
I've done a couple BMW uh, drivingschool events with the, with the, the
M three side, you know, some autocross.
But, uh, I, I want to domore of the Porsche Club.
I actually have a neighbor out hereas pretty active in it as well.
I want to do more in that space.

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For me, it's, it's been a time thing.
My job is tough and you've got littlekids, so I'm hoping, you know, a little
older, a little more independent and,you know, they can run around on a
Saturday without harassing me all day.
Um, but yeah, you know, I, I, Iwould absolutely love to get to a
track a few times a year now, andthen hopefully when I'm a little
older, do that more frequently.

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Since we've got a little bit ofbackground into your car history, and
I, I know, and I know in talking withyou, you have a, you have a very good
knowledge of cars and whatnot and wekind of had a precursor conversation
to this about cars in the nineties.
And so, you know, as we get intoour basically main event here, our,
what should I buy panel, you know, abunch of us have come prepared with
some options for you about goingabout and buying a nineties car.

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What we're really interested in is gettingyour shopping criteria, you know, what
you're looking for, price range, somethings you're not interested in, some
things you may be interested, et cetera.
So why don't you lay that outfor the panel so we can better
focus on some of our suggestions.
Awesome.
I think the panel will be funbecause I love a lot of things and
you know, I'm, I'm really kind ofopen, so a couple things, right?

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I'm, I'm kind of OCD, so I wantsomething that I can get in really
that I doesn't have to get it in reallygood condition, but I have to be able
to get it to really good condition.
Right?
And so sometimes, you know, that canbe harder with some of the older ones.
I wanna have a very nice car andI'm, I'm fine with paying the money
to get it there, but, but I like,you know, just clean and tight.
No rattles, no no excuses.

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Really good shape.
The, there are so many kind of different.
Aspects of nineties car culture.
You know, I, I loved all of it.
I love the Japanese unobtainium thatyou played on a PlayStation one, right.
So I'm born in 81, so I'm inhigh school and graduated in 99.
So, you know, kind ofgrew up through that.
But I also grew up my entirelife going to car shows, which

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was mostly American muscle.
You know, I've, I've alwaysthought about kind of different
things that might be fun there.
So I've really enjoyed, youknow, the Japanese sports car
aside, the American muscle.
I want something also that I can get.
Pretty fast, right?
I mean, not, not not fast in a, in azero to 60 time or fast in a, like a
particular lap time, but I want somethingthat can feel fast, overpower, its

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traction for most of its gears, andthat you can be a general hooligan in.
So we were like having that debate.
Like to me that kind of crosses outlike a Ferrari 3 55, although those
things are probably, I'm not surethey're worth the price at this point.
Super unreliable too, but hey, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, those generation V eights.
I think one of the thing I, Idid enjoy about it that I should

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mention, like the idea of kind ofcustomization and modification, right?
So I'm not in this to get something,leave it bone stock and hopefully sell
it, you know, for some money later.
I don't care if I'm devaluingit, I'm doing this for me.
I'm not doing it as an investment orsomething, something stupid like that.
So I, I do, you know, as you knowthis, this is a little bit of the

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12-year-old kid who had the nine30 with the whale tail on the wall,
and, and that's why I didn't getthe touring package on my GT three.
And I don't give a shit if the touringpackage was the cool thing to do.
Exactly.
It didn't have a giant, it didn'thave a giant SPO on the back and
my nine 30 poster did, uh, yeah,I mean, it's a little juvenile.
I don't care.
I'm doing it for fun.
I think that modificationand customization part of it

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is definitely part of that.
Call Karcher that I,that I really enjoyed.
And I think you said something just to,you know, kind of round out this thought
before we turn it over to the panelto start throwing up their suggestion.
I think one thing that was really almostprophetic in a way was when you and I were
talking and you said, you know, lookingback now on a car from the nineties is
the same as when I was a kid, looking backat some of those cars from the fifties

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and sixties, it's the same time gap.
It's that same generational gap,and then it makes you feel super
old when you realize that a ninetiescar is 30 years old at this point.
Right.
So, pretty crazy.
It it is.
You're, you're absolutely right.
So, you know, growing up, and I'mlooking at American muscle in the
late eighties and early nineties,that's how old these cars are now.
Right.
And I'm going through with my dad and he'stelling me about, you know, my dad owned

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a ton of muscle cars, uh, back in the day.
He, I grew up with him.
Quarter mile bikes werelike his gr our garage.
We never had any carsin our two car garage.
It was full of motorcycles.
And so, you know, there wasa lot of motorcycles, but he
loved cars, you know, was alwaystalking about the American muscle.
And so yeah, that, that epiphany,I, it was literally just
kind of dawned on me one day.

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I'm like, wait a minute.
I am the same distance from those cars.
Now it's a tribute to the qualityof the cars that they're not all
completely rotisserie restoredlike they were back then.
Right.
They had to be because they'dfallen apart twice over by
the time you got 'em to 1990.
But, but at the same time,people are just starting to think
about, how do I restore this car?
You're finding them still unrestored.

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I don't wanna get into this 10 years laterand the market is kind of already defined,
and I wanna get in front of it and be ableto do something before the market tells
you what to do and, and people, yeah.
You know, start kind of figuring it out.
Let's shock the panel a little bitbecause you just slightly went there,
but then didn't say what your budget was.
Oh.
And so from a price range, I think all in.

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With like getting the car and,and you know, I'm not, I'm not
gonna do much work myself, right?
So I'm paying somebody to do work on it.
I, yeah.
So all in, uh, call it a hundred grand.
Alright guys, this, this is, thisis the mission now, all right?
Car from the nineties, fully restored.
It's gotta be ahoo, hooligancar, a hundred grand or less.

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How about we go to Mike?
Well, so you mentionedhaving owned a, uh, a Z 28.
I love Mustangs, by the way.
I, I love Mustangs.
But the Camaro had so muchmore power in that generation.
I think you'd have to be a littlesilly to pick the, the five liter
stock if you're looking for that moremuscle car look, I would actually
pitch the, the Camaro's cousin.

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Oh, specifically the WS six.
Yes.
WS six.
Yep.
I was always infatuated withthose cars when they came out.
They were, I mean, a friend of minehad a 92 Camaro, but it was only
the, the Rs, but the Firebird WS sixwith that big, uh, evil Ram air hood.
Yeah.
And the commercials theyhad were from Polar.
The evil commercial was awesome.

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And then they had, when it first cameout, they had Chris Tucker driving
one and one of his buddy cop movies.
Like, you haven't seen Chris Tucker in amovie in 25 years, but the last one you
saw, man, he's driving a WS six around.
So I had the opportunity to drivea stock one, and I got to drive
Mike Snyder's, SCCA pro solo car.
And Brad remembers that, TransAm.

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And I tell you what, when you mod aWS six and you really straighten out
that suspension and get it dialedin, that car is a handful, but
it's also a hell of a lot of fun.
So mad props to Mike on that suggestion.
I actually hadn't eventhought about the WS six.
Yeah, the second he brought up Camaro.
I'm like, Ooh.
You know, it just, itstruck a memory of that car.
And plus, since the WS six wentwith the LS motor, you have

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the whole LS aftermarket to go.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Big, big turbos.
Big turbos.
Yeah.
Yeah, mine, mine was an LT one.
It was prior to that, but yeah, towardsthe end they dropped the LS in it.
So is, is the GOAT an option as well,or is that, no, the goat's later.
Right, so that's a two thousandscar, so that won't work.
2003, two.
Well, hang on, hang on.
Okay, so this is a good point.
This is a good point.

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You know, I guess this is up to me.
I think some of the best cars from thenineties were made in the early naughties.
Right.
They had matured it.
They figured it out.
Like the NSX you want is oneof those last couple years.
Yeah, that's true.
I'll give you that.
Yes.
It's like the best car fromthe nineties, but yeah, sure
it's from 2002, but whatever.
I don't care.
I'm not picky.
Right.
You're E 39 M fives.

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There's a lot of really great, I thinkif you look at its contemporaries
at the time, in the early twothousands, they're like, ew.
You know, like, okay, it's stillsolid rear axle still doing this.
It's still doing that.
You know, Mustang had that briefflirtation with independent rear
suspension in the cobras, but when youcompare it to the nineties cars that
it was the mature version of I agree.
I agree with, I totally accept,I will totally accept early

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naughties cars, but it has to berepresentative of the nineties.
It can't be like a. Like a 9, 9 6 turboor something, which is like, cool, but
that's definitely not a nineties car.
Yeah, I gotcha.
I gotcha.
So Mountain man, Dan, since we'retalking GM Mountain man, Dan I, I'm
on board with Mike's suggestion ofthe WS six and for that particular
one with the Ramir was 98 to oh two.

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So those were the years that they madethat particular version of the WS six.
And I'm all on board withthat suggestion, Mike.
Huge kudos for that.
But a question I had for the budget.
Is that number you threwout the initial purchase?
Or does that include modified?
No, I want that to be, Iwant that to be all in.
Right.
So it kind of excludes something likean R 34 because it's not gonna work.

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Right.
But you could do an R 32 andrestore it and build it up, and
you could do a really great, superpowerful car for that kind of money.
If that's what, if that'swhat you wanted to do.
I, I don't mean to make anyone go discuss.
I will not do an Impalass I'll tell you that.
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
I can can, but this is the wagon.
This is the wagon.
What about the Callaway?

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It's the wagon.
So you don't want, you don'twanna drive an upside down
bathtub, is what you're saying.
Dax, Dax Shepherd has one of these prob.The, the, the problem was that, I think
the problem is, is that the SS was reallycool for grown ass adults in the nineties.
I wasn't a grown ass adult.
So I'm thinking of something that Ithought of as cool in my more informative

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years of which absolutely the WS six.
Well, if we're, if we're still talkingGM then, you know, we, we were actually
debating this internally and it waslike C four Corvette or C five Corvette.
I'm like, well, the C four Corvette,the only one in the nineties is any
good as a ZR one, and it's stilla C four Corvette at that point.
So what about the C fiveVet Z six as an example?

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Z six didn't come out until 2001.
I mean, I could, if he's talkingabout his nineties cars Yeah, yeah.
Early two thousands.
So the, I, so I wonder if the C fiveis maybe the inverse of my prior rule.
So my prior rule being like, you couldtake a mature car that, you know,
stretched into the naughties, but if youhad, I think of the C five as a Naughty's
car that came out a couple early.

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Right.
And so, you know, not as much, do you haveenough chest hair to drive a Corvette?
Yes.
I'm, I am I, and New Balance, I. IfI didn't shave, I would have hair
from like here down to my ankles.
So it's totally fine.
Um, the, um, the, my, so I willsay it 'cause as, since we're on
American cars, I have two problems,which I'm gonna have to figure out

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how to get over if I'm gonna do it.
One is a solid axle andtwo are the interiors suck.
And like particularly, you know, likea, a C four, even a C five Corvette.
Like, I look at the inside ofthem and I want to throw up.
And the funny thing is, is like I,you know, I'm not, I don't mean to
be German bias, I love American cars,but like, you can look at an 85.
3 25 BMW, and it's a nice, clean,minimalist interior that is

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totally damn reasonable today.
Like you can look at it 40years later, it's totally fine.
And you look at like a, what Americansare doing in the eighties, and they
have these crazy LCDs, like it all lookslike night rider animations and giant
blo buttons and like some kinda weirdsci-fi fighter cockpit interpretation.
I struggle with it a bit.
I I'm gonna be totally honest.

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I, I really, and the worst, worststepdad had a c4 and yeah, that giant
green bar that went up and across thedashboard, they were cheap plastic.
The thin, thin little crowd,cheap plastic, the buttons, uh,
that's, well, even the C five,you think you're in a trailblazer.
You're like, what the hell is this?
No offense to the Corvette owners,I'm just saying it's not the best

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until the c sixes and sevens,when they got their act together.
I mean, it was not the best of interiors,but Mount Mandan, you had a comment.
Chimed in saying that basically theywere made with such cheap plastic that
if you find something where somethinginside's not broken, that's a diamond
in the rough 'cause, whether it bethe mounting spot for the switches
or something, they always broke.
But one thing I was gonna ask is if we'regoing pour sports stuff and something that

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was quick, I'm gonna throw this out there.
It's not a car.
I knew it.
I knew it.
I knew it.
What about like thetyphoon or the cyclone?
The typhoon.
You could still throw the rack.
Ooh, ooh.
I love those ideas.
I love those ideas.
So they were fastest, could be up untilrecently for trucks from the factory.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean they, they did a four and a halfseconds, zero to 60 on the GMC cyclone

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and that thing, that record lasted untillike, like the last Raptor or something.
I mean, it was crazy.
So, yeah, I, I love the cyclone idea.
I think that's a ton of fun.
I believe that had theGrand National motor in it.
3.8 Turbo.
Yeah, the 3.8 Turbo, the intercooler.
So I, I love, I love the grand,I love the Grand National.
Uh, I love that motor.

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I realizing the Grand National is alittle eighties, but that's a great way to
bring that power plant into the nineties.
So, yeah, no, I love the GrandNational was a 3.8 and the cyclone,
uh, and the typhoon wore 4.3.
I thought they were three eights.
They were the same motor.
Did they just, you likebore or stroke the motor?
Was it a different power plant?
The 4.3, the easiest way to explainingit is a three 50 missing two cylinders.

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Ah, okay.
And everything is just sixinstead of eight cylinders.
And even like front componentsand everything bolt up the same.
One of the four, three off of thethree 50 I I see Mike is fact checking.
Oh, we're Googling Mike's alwaysfact checking this right now.
We're Googling.
It's the four three.
He is right.
Oh wow.
Okay.
Because Dan, of course, he's right.
What about a GM can't, youcan't argue with a mountain man.

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I gotta finish this Chevyconversation and just get us off
that train before we go down a road.
We don't ever, we can't everget back from, it's true.
To become a Chevy episode,I'm gonna go with the 3000 gt.
I like that.
It's my personal favorite.
Everybody says the super or the RXseven, which, yes, they're on my list
as well, but the first time I ever sawa 3000 GT in a parking lot, I was like,

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oh my God, that is a beautiful Ferrari.
I had no idea.
I was like 12 years old or whatever.
I don't fucking know.
Save yourself some money, get a stealth.
It was, I was thinking the same thing.
It was just beautiful.
It's just a good looking car.
All wheel drive.
You can get the VR four, youcan turbo the hell out of em.
I love this idea as a kid, you read thecar magazines, which I read religiously.

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My parents couldn't get me to read areligious text, but I would read Car
and Driver and MotorTrend every monththat it came to my house and they would
always do the big three comparison, right?
The 300 zx, which is another carthat was a nineties car but came
out in 89 or whatever, right?
A little before its time.
It's huge.
Right?
But they'd like a 300 Z zx, A markfour, 3000 GTVR four twin, you know,

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turbos and everything, and RX seven.
And they do the comparison.
And I always wanted the VR four to win.
'cause I thought it was the coolestlooking car of the group by a mile.
And it always got its ass kicked.
It was always the fastest ingrand charisma though, the GTO
and oh my.
But it, it will like alwayslose 'cause it was so fat.

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The car weighed like 800 poundsmore than all of its competitors.
But it's supposed to be a great GTcar is supposed to drive really well.
It's supposed to be a great driver's car.
I, I definitely like that idea.
I wonder if the Dodge stealth is alittle bit of a, uh, of a sleeper choice
from our perspective of, you know,kind of not what people are expecting.
I don't think it's as prettyparticularly the late model VR fours.

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Right.
So that's a late one you show.
Yeah, and you know, 'cause theywent away from the popup headlights
I think in 98, if I remember.
Obviously not.
Yeah.
This is in 98.
Not a stock inter 4 97, not a stockinter cooler on that, but yeah,
no, I mean, yeah, I love them.
The only thing that worried me aboutthe VR fours is if you've ever seen
one under the hood, it's transverse.
That's the disadvantage I thoughtit always had against the 300

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ZX or the Supra or whatever.
Those being a classic, you know,front mount rear drive layout.
The VR four was just like, ah, okay.
So, so you wonder if in postlife, in, in modification if
you could help it get past that.
Like, 'cause you're right, it's a frontwheel bias all wheel drive system.
Because of that, it's alsogot a lot of weight up front.

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So the weight distributionisn't great, isn't it?
Like if you change the, the gearratio a little bit between the front
and the back, like that's what theydid with like, the focus rs where
it was just like, like a, you know,a few percent faster in the back.
It puts a lot of pressure onthe clutch in the middle, but it
causes the power to go to the rear.
Right?
Uh, and, and, and you can kindof fix that bias in the, in the

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all wheel drive system that way.
But like, again.
Because nobody's reallygotten into these cars yet.
We're just starting to get into this trendof 40 year olds having money and deciding
they're gonna dump it into this pit of carmodification and whatever, restoration.
I don't think people havereally figured that out yet.
Like you don't see anygreat, well-documented path.
Uh, the only problem I have withthe Japanese cars in this era

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is that we've already listed80% of the good ones, right?
Because if you, if you look, I mean,outside of the RX seven and all the ones
that we've already mentioned, there'sa couple Sylvia's, there's some other
cars that we didn't get and things likethat, that were Japanese only, but there
wasn't a whole lot of JDM offerings inthe US that were really that awesome.
Oh God.
Brad just put one up the prelude.

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Oh, just for Brian?
Just for Brian Sha who's listening.
Yeah.
Because he's listening to, he's listeningto this screaming, what about the prelude?
And I'm like, there you go.
But I don't know how how muchprelude, I don't know how much
hoon you can do with that.
Of less, you can't Front wheel drive,you got, it's like 170 horsepower or
200 in the sh Yeah, the sh I rememberat the time that they made such

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a deal like that has a laser thatmeasures the suspension and adjusts.
Ridiculous.
Was that the one with thefour wheel steering or was it
the Mitsubishi that had that?
Yep.
Four wheel steering.
Four wheel passive steering was,did they have the four wheel
steering in that generation?
I know they did in the,in the generation prior.
I can't, yeah.
I believe it was inthis generation as well.
Type R Integra, like ifyou're throwing this up there.
Yeah.
Like that's, that's a 2000, 2001 car,but that's like the pinnacle of nineties.

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You can't get too muchpower out of those though.
Or the civics, the civictype bars from that time.
That's just the money problem.
Yeah.
Too much power.
You just gotta build theshit out of the motor.
Well, and this all the skylines, right?
And the R 30 twos and 30 threes.
I've been talking to some people, the30 threes are becoming really popular
because they were unwanted to begin with.
The joke I heard was the R 32 skylineis the one you took to the track.

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The R 34 is the one you took to theshows and the drag races and the R
33 was the one you bought your wife.
But when I look at the R 33,it's kind of indicative of the
nineties design in general.
Just kind of this Mobius marshmallowon wheels, like they're all kind
of look the same after a while.
But the one car it brings to myattention and I thought of, and it's
on my list and it's kind of the samecar, but in, in two different trims.

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The Toyota Soer, whichis also the Lexus SC 400.
All right.
Right.
So you can hone the hell out ofthat thing because it's basically a
two JayZ, just like a Supra, right?
So you go nuts.
What?
Well, the s SC 300 is, andthen you do a two JayZ swap.
The SC 400 was the V eight.
It's V eight.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
But you get so, so yeah, Ithink, I think the Lexus SC is a
great option to to think about.

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Right?
That could be a lot of fun.
And they had a manual thatyou could get with them.
That would absolutelybe really interesting.
I think.
And you're not paying thesuper tax either, right?
You can have the same car, slightlylarger, put your kids in it.
It's a bit of a sleeper if youthink about it in comparison.
You can make 900 horsepower outtathat two JayZ pretty easily.
There's a flip side to the Supertaxthough, which is like the supertax is

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the, the super is is really the onlyone that is like really, I think.
Really completely mature in regards tolike, they've absolutely figured out
every corner of that car, you can getreliably a ton of horsepower out of it.
You know, it's gonna fail whenyou know how to make it work.
There are no rabbit holes leftor quests to, you know, don Kioti

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type things to try and figure out.
I mean, don't get me wrong, like,I've definitely been looking on eBay
or, or auto trade or whatever, andbe like, I could just buy this guy's
$150,000 car for 80 grand and youknow, that would be pretty cool.
And, and, but then that'ssomebody else's build.
I mean, exactly right.
But like, you know, you're, you'regetting it for 50 cents on the dollar

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and yeah, you go in and you fix whateveryou gotta fix to get it sorted out.
It's not gonna be perfectwhen you get it by any means.
You'll certainly save a lot ofmoney going into it that way.
Buy somebody else's moneypit and then get it sorted.
So what is the goal,intent for the vehicle?
Is it gonna be something youstreet, something you track?
Great, great question.
I don't see it being a racetrack.
So maybe, maybe quarter mile not tosee that I'm like trying to, you know,

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make a nine second car or something.
But like, I think, I think it might be funto take out the quarter mile, but yeah,
no, I mean, mainly street drive around,have fun cars and coffee type deal.
Take, take, take the kids somewhere,go to cars and coffee, remind them
what cars used to be like my kids.
I mean, not cars and coffee.
They know.
Um, and, uh, and, and, andhave, just have some fun.

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Hooligan is, I believe theword I picked at the beginning.
That's true.
I'm gonna throw it out there.
Unfortunately, it wouldn't begood for carrying the kids around.
But a two 40 sx, there's aton you can do with those.
I loved those and the, and the littleinfinity variant of that, I forget what
they called it, a G 20 or something maybe.
Yeah, that two 40 and the Infinityversion absolutely would be a,
well the problem is for a hundredgrand he can buy about 37 of those.

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'cause there ain't worth the damnso, but they're all missing their
front bumpers 'cause they fell off atthe drift circuit a hundred percent.
Right.
Those are the ones they slow.
They put the solid axles in.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's a 4, 3 0 2 underthe hood, the two 40.
The problem is they're so expensive'cause the guys drifting them.

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They've all totaled them andwrecked 'em and destroyed them.
But if you do wind up with a two 40,I just happened to have a body kit.
That's fun.
He said rolling his eyes.
So going back to a, uh, good old Americancar that fully fits the criteria.
It's, it's at least not the,the, the earliest in 95.

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So the 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra,which was the first year of
the more squared off design.
So that's a SN 95.
Right.
But then there's also, it'san SN 95 with the new body.
There's also the 93 Cobra SVT,which is the last of the fox body.
So you kind of have it on bothends of the nineties, right.
Depending on what you're into.
But even if you buy a fox body, I thinkyou're in the same camp that, like Bobby

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Parks is in, you throw the 3 0 2 inthe trash and you put an LS in it and
build like a 1200 horsepower monster.
Well, but at least that one,the, the Cobra specifically
comes with the independent rear.
That's true.
No, you're, you're, you're,you're absolutely right.
That's a, that is a great car.
I think it looks really cool.
I think that's a great option.
I do like that it has independentrear suspension and, and

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that it's, it's gotten it.
It's funny how they wentaway from that later, right?
In the later, uh, GT five hundreds,they, they put the solid axle back in.
It's a good move by Ford, in my opinion.
Racer.
Ron's on the panel.
Do we want get some input from him?
So, um, I think you guys havea lot of really great ideas.
You're throwing a lotof good stuff out there.
The situation is balanced between hownice a machine you can get up front.

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It's not low wrecked.
Like a, a two 40 is gonna be trash period.
I mean, they just, and a lot of this stuffyou get from Japan is trash too, right?
It just is.
They're all used up.
So that's totally outta the picture.
But think with American iron is not abad way to go from a lot of perspectives.
You know, the least of thembeing, you can usually find
someone to actually work on it.
That's without spending a hellof a lot of money because the

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RAs, that's a specialty guy.
You know, BMW guys arenever real cheap, but.
Doesn't sound like you're reallygonna go the BMW direction.
So I, I would definitely, wellunderestimate thinking about America.
I mean, I would definitely bethinking strong about American Iron.
I like the GT 3000.
I think it's a good car.
I think the, the W Seriesare also good cars.
They're complicated though, andthey're not cheap to work on either.

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Absolutely.
So, um, yeah, it's a tough call.
You can do real well for.
The Cobra.
I mean, there's no, there'sno two ways about it.
You save yourself some money for anothertoy, you just buy a couple of them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
The Isuzu V Cross is one thatyou should totally do negative.
Oh, wait, no, the the one, the otherone I brought up in chat is the Monte

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Carlo SS Tasmanian Devil Edition.
Oh God.
Oh God.
Hey, what the hell They, they madethat, is that like the Bugs Bunny
Venture van thing that they did?
Yes.
Oh, it was, why don't you just tellme to get the Dale Earnhardt edition?
Well, so more of the Dale Earnhardtones, they had the Intimidator and
then they had the Dale Junior Edition.

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And then the head, theTasmanian Devil Edition.
Okay.
We've talked about Americans,we talked about Japanese.
You alluded to some Italiansthere at the beginning.
Let's talk about theItalians for a second.
Fiat,
yeah.
The, yeah, for sure.
A hundred percent.
That's, that's a winner.
You know, FF 3 55.
I mean, as good looking and evolutionof the three series as they are, they

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have a horror story, you know, nightmarereputation behind them for reliability.
But there's a couple other Italiansbehind that same era that I think are
better, maybe as a sleeper if you'rethinking about going in that direction.
What about the Maserati 3,200GT precursor to the coupe?
Is that the evolution of the buy turbo?
Was it like the same chassisand setup or negative?

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So it's, it's the swoopy one thatkind of looks like an astin or
a jag, which later become coupe.
And then like the current bodystyle that it's now, it's like
the beginning of that lineage.
So they sold 27 of themin the United States?
I, I think so, yes.
Yeah.
Um, speaking of findingsomebody to work on, no.
I mean, actually I don'tknow anything about that car.

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It wasn't on my radar, so itsounds really interesting.
I like the idea of, oflearning about that.
I really don't know much about it, youknow, which is, I don't have too many
gaps, but that's definitely one of them.
I also don't know any shit aboutFrench cars from the nineties either.
Don't bother.
It's not worth it.
I was gonna say, just pack a lot of wineand cheese for when you're broken down on
the side of the road if you buy French.

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Yes.
So Brad has a picture of it.
Wait, he, wait.
It's that.
Because they made thatcar up until like 2008.
I know.
'cause I lived in San Diego.
It got re everyone drove one,it got renamed to the coupe.
And so originally it was the 3,200 gt.
Ah.
And so that's, that's what it's, it'sthe precursor to those, you know, what we
know now to be kind of the current, youknow, lineage of Maseratis, but there's

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so, so, so that was like the, so that waslike the early grand there mode of today.
Correct.
Yeah.
Those things were so popular in San Diego.
You could pick that car up likefour or five years old with
25,000 miles on it for 20 grand.
Exactly.
It's a bargain really.
I mean, and it's a Ferraripower plant and all the fun
stuff that goes along with that.
But it's not a Ferrari.
Right.
So.
Yeah, I don't, yeah, we'regonna put air quotes around it.

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I don't know.
The one, I don't know.
I mean, did they make a manual with it?
Because later they didn't andthey only had a single clutch.
Correct.
Automated, you know, pseudo manual.
And that clutch was seven grand to replaceand it went out about every 6,000 miles.
And I know because my boss had one.
And does that, that fun?
Does that fun stuff at the Ferrariengine include removing the engine

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from the car every like 5,000miles to completely rebuild it?
No, no.
The fun stuff is open pipes, soyou could really hear it sing.
That's what I was doing.
Yeah.
No, I mean, don't mewrong, the sound was great.
So my boss had had one of those,although it was like a 2008 or
whatever, but the sound was great.
The intake noise was a ton of fun.
Like I, I love, like you couldhit the gas and you just hurt.
It sounded like an angry dragon wassucking in air and it was really cool.

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So the, the engine was great.
It's fat, it is a, it is a big,it is bigger than it looks.
Yes.
Like a lot of cars arethe other way around.
That thing is bigger than it looksand it weighs like 4,200 pounds.
Speaking of bigger than it looks.
And also coming from Italy.
How about the five 50 Martinello?
You can't get those fora hundred grand anymore.
I would love to get one and, and, and, andif I was smart, I would instead of buying.

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This would've bought a five 50Marella for a hundred grand.
It'd be worth 200 grand a day.
You cannot find a good five 50for a hundred grand anymore.
If we can please pointme in the direction.
Yeah.
Right.
But the five fiftys were cool 'causethey were manual only, which I
actually think is why the, the valueshave gone out so much as opposed to
like a 4, 5, 6 or something else.
3 55 or whatever.
Yeah.
The five 50 was only that six B gatedand the, the valuations have literally

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doubled in like the last four years.
It's crazy.
I seen, what is that, anRSS six A nineties RS six.
It's a by turbo.
S four B five.
S four Oh, okay.
By Turbo.
Yeah.
We didn't get a ton of power out of 'em.
Not very reliable, butthey're fun to look at.
Audi, Audi was still in the doghouse inthe nineties, so it was a huge gap for me.
I only knew one person who, whosefamily had an Audi and they, they

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weren't in the car magazines.
They like, they were just, you know,you'd read about, you'd read about AMGs,
you'd read about Mcar, but like Audijust didn't exist until the naughties.
It was like it justdisappeared and then came back.
When I was in high school, I knew oneperson who had an Audi and his entire
family had about 50 of them, andhe's in that other screen up there.
That is true.

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We've had way too many, we, we livedthrough the nineties Audis, man.
But you know, speaking of, since we'retalking about Audis right now, it makes
sense to bring up the S eight from Ronan.
That's a late nineties carand it's also a sleeper.
You know, we're talking.
Well, that's a great idea.
I love you guys.
That suggestion made thiswhole thing worth it.
I love that idea.
I'm not saying I'm gonna do itdefinitively, but like I wasn't

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even thinking about dinner.
Curry.
I love Ronan.
I mean, you know, all his cool,uh, double clutching was in
a EO, I think, but whatever.
Yeah, great idea.
Love it.
Put some, yeah.
In those cars back then you're talkingsomewhere, you know, south of 400
horsepower, but it's easy to untap thefour two and get more power out of it.
Well, well hang really quick aswe're, as we're going down this

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path with the, with the Audis.
What, what about some engine swaps?
I, I, it's kind of kickingaround some ideas, right?
Like, what if I put the E 39M five motor, which I, pardon
me, I forget the designation.
S 62 or something.
I don't remember the E 39 M fivemotor, but like, put that in an E 40.
I think there might be an opportunityto create, 'cause I do want

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something that's kind of unique.
I think there might be some fun ideasaround around doing something like that.
I'm wondering if you guys haveany, that's Pandora's box.
Crazy, crazy thoughts on thematicallyappropriate engine swaps.
Right.
So like one of the coolest cars I thinkI've ever seen is an original two 40 Z,
like a 1971 or two or whatever that had askyline, but like a, mm-hmm like an R 33.

(33:52):
In line six dropped in it, right?
And it was like, here it is kind of,you know, four generations later of that
motor of the original inline six in there.
Obviously not for a nineties car, butlike what, what do we think might be a, a
thematically cool engine swap type idea.
It's probably not a popular opinion.
A lot of people call it a hairdresser'scar, but I actually like the eight series.
It was on my list as well as oneof my top, the three suggestions.

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I definitely liked the eight series II was, I was so disappointed as a kid
that, how slow they were, because theylooked so fast, they looked badass.
I mean they looked so cool and thenthey were like not actually fast.
Even the V 12 was just kindalike, why did you put a V 12 in
it if that's all it's gonna do.
And there's three differentmotor packages for the V 12.
There's like a five oh, a five fourand a five six or something like that.

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So if you're gonna get one, you get thelater one because at least they figured it
out and you get slightly more horsepower.
So, so be it.
The biggest problem that the uh, Vtwelves ran into was the early V twelves
were nothing but two six cylinders.
The failure points were enormous.
Like the throttle bodieswere $1,500 a piece.
Oh.
And they failed in pairs.
They failed in pairs,which apparently was bad.

(34:59):
You know, the, the one thing you hadn'tmentioned, you're talking about Audis
and you know, the A a A and the A A Lwere neat cars, but I had probably the
more advanced version of that becauseof the time period and the technology.
Which was the original Audi V eight.
They were, from a technologystandpoint, amazing.
But you know, they also used probably someof the worst technology ever available.

(35:25):
Well, let's make a V eight by takingtwo 16 valves and putting 'em together.
Right.
I mean, it's a kind of, that'swhat they were doing back then.
'cause I don't know why.
That's what Ford did to Aston Martin.
Right, exactly.
As soon as they bought 'em,they're like, here, take this
Ford Taurus and times it by two.
If we're still talking about theAudis, I mean like to Brad's point, I
mean we grew up at one point I thinkwe had three Coop Quatros, right?
But that was thebeginning of the nineties.

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So that was the beginningof the round period, right?
Where it's like, okay, here's amarshmallow and, and four wheels.
So those early Audis kindof all look the same.
You know, the 90 Cs sport, the,the Quatro, all that kind of stuff.
Even the 100, they weren'tanything to write home about.
But it's not until you got to the B fiveS four or to the S eight where it kind
of, they started to change their mind andstarted to go in an aggressive direction.

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And then, you know, Audi nowis, is 180 out from there again.
So I think there's some cool stuff there.
It's just a matter of diggingdeeper and seeing what you can do.
So to Eric's point, I've gotyour car for you right now.
Alright, let's do it.
It's an Audi coop.
Quattro.
It's in Eric's garage right now.
It's got a motor swap.
It's already done.
It's true.
It just needs some TLC.

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He'll sell you to you fora hundred grand right now.
It's true.
It is an S eight motor in there, soit's 400 horse and it was featured
in European car for anybody that'slistening many, many years ago, so.
Wow.
So it's a famous car too.
Look at that.
That's true.
Original one-off,original six speed manual.
Does it?
Does it cut?
Do you have original?
You have the, do you have the magazinearticle like Uh, yeah, you have.

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There you go.
Yep.
Well, that was the only one thatran in the country, if I recall.
That's true.
And then we did a Ur Quatro with a threesix swap from the car that Matt was
talking about, the original VA Quatro.
So we had two kind of unicornsat the time, but that other
car is no longer available, buthe's still got the one for sale.
A hundred grand.
Yeah.
I'll take offers a hundred percent.
I have dollars.

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But you know, since we talked about Audiand you know, we, we've, we've touched
on some cars that might be unreliable.
Let's talk about Britishcars for a minute.
And Brad flashed up the esprit.
So what do you think about that?
I loved those cars when I was a kid.
I, there, I think getting a lot ofpower out of 'em was the problem.
It was nothing cooler.
Was that V eight any good?
I know it was like a 3.5 liter twin turbo.

(37:33):
V eight.
No, the transmission wasthe best part of that car.
You're gonna swap it.
Wasn't the transmission in French?
No, it was out of a mano.
Apparently the mano gets a bad rap.
It really wasn't a bad car.
They loved the mon and old top gear.
They, they talked about the mon.
They talked about the mon, like it was thegreatest family car you could ever buy.
Oh, it was everywhere in Germanytoo, because you did a billion

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things to it and we called it theJaguar X type in this country.
Yes.
Yeah.
Or the SVT contour, which the SVD contourwas a, was a surprisingly nice car.
In fact, I have a friend who hasone that's 200,000 miles on it.
Original clutch.
And they were neat cars.
I mean, they were small cars too.
But you know, remember that thisis in a time period when a big

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car was what, a five series?
Yeah.
And what's five series size today?
It's like a, it's like a three.
You're, that, that I always said about myF 82 or 85 M three that I bought, the 2015
M three that I bought, it was the E 39.
I always wanted, that generation of threeseries is bigger than that nineties, five
series, you know, and, and it was like,this is, this is the M five that I want.

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Of course the M five now is a boat.
Oh, I so, and so I'mjust buying the M three.
But since we're talking aboutengine swaps, the Brits are pretty
famous for jamming weird motorsin kind of just normal cars.
And that's why I wanted to bringup and talk about the Brits,
because the answer here in America.
Is LS swap the world.
We already know that.
So there's no other swap to do over there.

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It's the Land Rover V eight and andall the things, but I came across
two cars and the And the Land Rover.
No.
Tell us.
Tell us, what about the Land Rover?
The Land Rover V eight sucks.
There's nothing to write home aboutbecause it's nothing but the three nine
redone and the later ones the four foursand the four sixes are BM BMW motors,
which is fine, but they're BM BMW motors.

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Yeah, I think that's, I think they use,I think they use them over there simply
because that's what they have available.
That's very true.
So speaking of cars that have BMBMW motors swapped into them from
the factory, and this is why Iwanted to bring up British cars.
What about the Bentley Arage, which camewith a 4.4 liter turbocharge BMW engine,
or the optional six and three quarterliter turbo and that's another sleeper?

(39:47):
I'm not sure I have the patience.
To own one of those cars in the sensethat it's gonna spend at least six
months out of the year in the shop.
You know?
And then looking at the gap of mygarage more, more days than it's filled
would be difficult because you'regonna be waiting for parts forever.
So the other one I came up onthe Brit list, and they are

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famous for, this is Jaguar.
Are we talking J?
We are talking jets.
JI drive a J and it's the XJR withthe supercharged four liter, it
makes 370 horsepower, zero to 60and 5.6 seconds, and electronically
limited to 155 miles an hour.
I think that car's kind ofcool because it's understated.

(40:29):
It's a jag.
You're like, ah, it's ajag like anything else.
But it's gonna put you in your placefrom traffic light to traffic light.
Yeah, I think the, the XJR is great.
The, the old X Ks, I mean, it still kindof looks like an eighties car, but man.
You look at that.
That's, that's such, I I stillthink it's such a cool looking car
and I don't know when they cameout with a more modern looking xk.
That might have been like 99 or something.

(40:51):
No, I mean, I think Jags, they'reso good looking and in the nineties
I think you still get some of thatauthentic British, uh, cigar library
type feel to it, whereas like by thetwo thousands that that's turned into
some cartoonish caricature of itself.
The, the XJ was a sleeper too, becauselike the M five, you really had to
look at it to notice the differences.

(41:12):
Exactly, and that's whyI brought that car up.
I think it's a fantastic option ifyou're looking for a sleeper that you
can hone around in, no one will expectthat Jag to be able to put that kind of
power down and being supercharged, turnthe wick up to 11 and see what happens.
Right.
Put some pulleys on it.
Bigger intercoolers.
See what you can do when, whenyou're speaking of like the cars from
either England or Europe in general.

(41:33):
The little thing that Iwas doing a while back.
Is if you go into like eBay co uk, whichis England's eBay, you go in there and
look for the car you're interested inand then shipping it over here, even
buying it their price and shippingit, you're still in it for less than
half of what people here states.
I would be selling the same car.
So I've spent a lot oftime in London for work.
I have to spend a bunch of timeat Canary Wharf and the um,

(41:55):
the used car values are so low.
It's crazy how cheap because they'reso afraid of gasoline prices.
So the crazy asshole buys it new'cause they love the car and they
don't care how much they're gonnapay for petrol and 80 billion pounds
per English gallon or whatever.
They don't care.
But then used, it's worth nothing.
Absolutely.

(42:16):
So I had some coworkers thatrepa, you know, Patriot, ated
over there, immigrated, I, weshould just say immigration.
I think that's, they're immigrants.
The, but the point being is thatthey, uh, they're over there
now and they love the cars.
Like they're, they're buy, they,they're so excited about the crap
they can buy and how cheap it is.
You're absolutely right.
That's a great, that's a great thought.
Buying it and shipping itfrom there is still cheaper.

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Now you end up with a right handdrive car, particularly with now
you're shifting stick left-handed.
Certainly I'm ambidextrous.
I don't know about youwhen it comes to shifting.
Let's, that's kind like fat too.
I'd like to bring up another car.
Can we introduce another, another mark?
Absolutely.
Ron, go ahead, Panos.
I have that on my list.
The ante.

(42:58):
Esper, man.
I mean, out of the boxhauls ass gorgeous car.
And it's made with American Iron.
It is a modular Fordunder, under the hood.
Yep.
So, so I just wanted to bring itup because I, I love those cars.
They're, they're just beautiful cars.
Pull a picture up, Brad.
I haven't, I don't think I've seen one ofthese, uh, Esper made, made in Georgia.
You need to find one ofBrett's disassembled.

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One.
The nice thing about the five literFord is if you can't add power to a five
liter Ford, you should really give up.
Yeah, it's like, it'slike a small black Chevy.
I mean, that's a good looking car.
We haven't talked about, we haven't talkedabout T That makes me think of the Tvrs.
Yes, that was on my list.
The Serra, the Ser, the Errawas, was so hot in video games.

(43:44):
Even.
Even some of you know what some of theeighties tvrs look like, nineties cars.
They were always so far ahead of theirtime and being out there, uh, you know,
fiberglass, crazy assholes that they were.
I think tv, that's a really fun option.
I've been thinking so much.
I've been trolling JDM sites aboutlike buying something in Japan.
I'm importing it over and likeI haven't even looking at the uk

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and that could be a lot of fun.
And you can get skylinesfrom the UK as well.
And they're a lot cheaperthan getting 'em from Japan.
A lot of people don't realize that.
So we don't mention Morgan.
I mean, I mean they've lookedthe same since like 1920.
Right.
So I mean, can you So, so they,they make that, they, they made in
the nineties they had that four.
So of course they have the three wheeler.
No thanks.

(44:26):
But they made that, the arrowthey made forever in the, they had
that in the nineties and back thenit was still wood frame, which
assuming it hasn't been beaten outor something might be interesting.
No, but they, they made an arrow,which was different because the Morgan
like four four and four eight orwhatever the hell they were, those
were the classic look that arroweight or whatever the hell it was.

(44:48):
It was almost like a cartoon.
When they redid the body, itwas like a cartoon gangster car.
Yeah, exactly.
That's across from, from prohibition.
Like if, if somebody from Prohibitionsmoked did some LSD or something and then
we're like, yeah, we're gonna see this.
Well, Brad just threw up a suggestion.
What you got there, Brad show?
I thought they didn't make this car.

(45:08):
They didn't, did they make this car?
I remember I've seen onein person at an autocross.
Yeah, but they only made like five.
I remember watching a documentary, Iremember watching a show in the nineties
where Shelby was doing donuts in that car.
Probably that exact same car.
He was still alive.
Dirt.
We had a guy here who had a, heowned a do it yourself garage and

(45:29):
he had the Shelby one, two hundredand forty nine were built 249.
That's more nice.
That's a lot more than I thought.
That's really cool.
Yeah, it's, it was 80 K new, if Iremember correctly, from my childhood.
I've seen one in person though.
They're slick.
I mean, but it doesn't look toodifferent than the Payos though.
In all.
In all.
No, I think they were competitors here.
Here's something we haven't thought about.

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You know what else blew up inthe nineties in car culture Kit?
Cars?
Yes.
COBRA Kit.
Car.
Like I've, I keep looking at COBRA kits.
One of my coworkers has a great back draftwith a BMW three series suspension in it.
So it's independent rear multileague front, and you Ford
racing crepe motor in it.
Ah, man, I It's the back, but then youjust, you're just taking a car that may

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have come out in the nineties, but it'sbased off a car from like the sixties.
It is, but, but it's definitelya more, it, it is certainly an
interpretation of it though.
It, it is not that.
That, that original car, butthat was just such a craze.
Right.
And you remember, you rememberwalking around as a kid, you'd see
these kit cars like everywhere.
Like you don't see too manyCobra kits out on the road.

(46:31):
Mm-hmm.
I remember back then used tosee 'em all the damn time.
There's also the, the Ferrarikit cars that were built off.
The Firo.
The Osh off the Fiero.
I think Dan's got one buriedin his property somewhere.
Oh my God.
Not yet.
Not yet.
Oh my God.
That's terrible.
So since we're still sort of talkingabout British cars, there's one that
we've probably forgotten about, whichI happen to stumble across, which was

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the Aston DB seven, the first reallymodern looking gorgeous, correct?
Correct.
The the acid Martin Jaguar XJ.
Yeah.
Understated, underappreciated.
Probably mostly forgotten at thispoint because of the DB nine and the
DB nine s and all the successors.
An affordable nineties car.
If you're looking for somethingquasi exotic, if you can find, if

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you can find one with a manual in it.
Wasn't that a, asupercharged six cylinder?
I believe it was.
I think the DB seven was the firsttime they put the four Taurus v
sixes together and made the V 12.
Oh, yeah.
But I thought they had astraight six, DB seven.
I think I'd have to goback and double check.
But there's all these, there'salways those packages and swap outs.
The Brits that love doing that,like, oh, we created a body and

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let's jam another motor in it,you know, call it something else.
I have a memory of themselling DB Sevens pretty well.
In fact, I remember that being thefirst time I actually really saw
people driving in Aston Martin.
You'd have to go down to Potomac orsomewhere where there were rich people,
but like, no, certainly not in Frederick.
That was the first quote unquote new.

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Aston Martin.
And how long since?
Since the nda?
I think it was the war.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Well that was, that's alwaysbeen the British philosophy.
Why invent something new andyou can continue to use what
you've been doing for 50 years.
Could put a Dodge Caravan up there.
Huh?
The ultimate nineties car.
A brand new hell cat.

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Red Eye.
Yes.
'cause it is a 1998 Mercedes eClass Go.
With a 900 horsepower V eight in it.
It was everything a MG wanted todo in the nineties, but couldn't.
Nineties car.
Why did not talk aboutthe Pontiac Sunfire?
I just want to know.
It reminds me of the Chevy Cavalierhad, I would, I would love to get

(48:37):
a Pontiac Sun, Pontiac Sunfire.
I did have a 1989 Chevy Cavalier firstcar, but I would love to get one just
to pour gasoline on it later on fire.
And what will you do with theremaining $99,550 to spend?
Yeah.
Something else.
Well, I'm gonna throw it out there.
What is it?
The, uh, Volvo C 70, I think it was.

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I like those from the Saints orthe, the, so, the sobs you like.
Yeah.
You can't ignore Volvos and sobs.
Yeah, you can.
When did, when did, whendid the eight 50 R come out?
Was that 2000 or 2001?
I don't know.
I feel like it was kind of a No,the eight 50, well, the eight 50
R maybe, but the eight 50 turbos,those were out in the nineties.

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Yeah, and they look exactly like that.
Dodge Caravan.
I had one, I had a, I hada 1995 H, 50 T five R.
It was only for one year because theR were only the first and second year.
Fantastic car.
I loved it.
Well that was probably the absolutefirst Volvo in like what, 30 years?
It was not such, you know,the V 1800 was a cool car.

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Yeah, I agree.
You know.
Then what'd you end up with?
Two 40 and the 2 42?
You know, look, look at us.
Drive boxes.
They're safe and they're fast.
Those are fast as as well, man.
And you're talking about motor swaps is.
Remember the car that Paul Newman drove?
It was a seven 40 with a fiveliter Ford because it fits.
Yeah, that's true.
That was pretty cool.
They drove that car on, uh, an episodeof, uh, Seinfeld's Comedian's Cars and

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Coffee with, like, David Letterman has oneas well that Paul Newman built for him.
It's a, it's a cool sleeper.
And if you go back to your engine swapthing, I think Matt's right on it.
I mean, it's like a Volvo.
Make it 400 horse with aFord crate motor in it.
That's kind of cool actually.
Oh, Brad's onto something.
I'm going in that direction.
So let's talk about Germans get a hammer.
That would be great.
I could do a hammer tribute.

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That would be a lot of fun.
Well, I was thinking Braas, pickyourself up a bras Mercedes because
people have forgotten about thosecars and that's a precursor to
the AMGs that we're used to today.
Absolutely.
Well, I mean, I think by the nineties.
A MG had definitely, Braaswas the, the underdog by that
point, A MG had really blown up.
But no, I, I think the thing that'shard to appreciate though is they,

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they really, the, the volumes wereso low, like on those, they're
genuinely, it, genuinely hard to find.
But I agree.
I think that's a great idea.
Problem.
Of course, Mercedes neverput a manual in anything.
True, true.
They, they did, but only in the one 90 E.
Yeah.
Or the diesels or something crazy.
Hold on, but before we go there,so manual is a requirement.

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I won't say that it is a requirement.
I'm pretty open, but it there,there's gonna have to be some real
compelling things that bring me in.
I, I mean, I love that car behind you.
I love those wheels.
God, those are so cool.
This is the 500 e withthe Porsche, uh, drive.
Train, yeah.
The ones that Porsche did thedrive, train, assembly on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I love that car.
I think that's a veryfun idea right there.

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But that just makes you aEuropean taxi cab driver.
I don't, you know what, no onein Carroll County knows what a
European taxi cab driver drives.
I guarantee you.
That's true.
I'll give you that.
That's very bad.
I taxi cabs.
Why?
About why not a Crown Vic?
Yeah, I was gonna say noImpala ss no Mercury Marauder.
They're both great cars.
I don't want one.

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Well, the real, the real sleeperMercedes is not the 500 E, but the 400 E
because that was a 300 E with a V eight.
Oh, interesting.
So it looked just like the 300.
Except it happens to have a V eight in.
They were nice cars.
They weren't as exclusive as the 500.
But they also weren't nearly aspricey or as, not finicky, but just

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fragile isn't even the right word.
When stuff breaks into 500 E, youjust kind of bend over with a 400 E.
A lot of it's just off theshelf for safety, which I guess
could be the same about the sl.
Right?
So the SL 500 I always thoughtwas a gorgeous car, but to your
point, doesn't come in a manual.
I guess one of the criteriaI was gonna do an sl.
I definitely do the 600 because V 12.

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And the biggest problem with theSL 600 is it's a fucking whale.
It's so heavy.
You're not getting shit outta That'sso I'm gonna throw out another idea.
It's a car that's on the uh,panel right now that might be for
sale if you gave enough money.

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It's a manual.
It's German, it's fourdoors with a V eight.
It's a seven 40.
Oh, that's true.
With a manual swap.
Yeah.
See that's another swap.
You were talking about engine swaps.
Talking about tranny swaps, right?
Yeah, so, so the one thing that'sreally distracted me from this to go a
little afield of nineties car has beena Ferrari F four 30 with a manual swap.

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It's like you buy an F four 30 for80 grand, you, you put a $25,000
transmission swap in it and youhave a very, very cool fucking car.
That's true.
I'll give you that.
I could see that as a valid distraction.
I always struggled with my last M threebecause had that electronic differential,
I had to like think about what thecomputer was gonna decide to do with

(53:39):
the diff and, and that's what I love.
The difference with the, the manualGT threes is they put a mechanical
differential in it, whereas with thepks, they, they go electronic and, and
they, they try to go best track time.
But like, I, I agree with you.
It, it was distracting, likewhere I thought the backend would
step out on me on the M three.
Like, I'd even get to the pointwhere like, I, I was about to like,

(54:01):
try to counter steer and then, yeah.
And then the diff would fix itand I'm just like, what the, I
can't, I can't stay ahead of you.
What, what are you doing?
I, I had friends whohad the newer a g cars.
The thing I dislike the mostabout them is it saves you.
It saves you from stupidity, it savesyou from anything you wanna do to it.

(54:22):
And I said this manytimes before, I like cars.
You have to respect the fact that anybodycan get in there and push the pedal
to the floor, turn the wheel sometimesand let the car fix the rest of it.
There's no challenge in that.
There's no fun in that.
I couldn't agree more.
You know, the, the Viper mentality, theydidn't put traction control in until they
were federally mandated to, you know,your traction control is the pedal and

(54:43):
your, and your, and your, and your brain.
Well, it's funny, it'sfunny that you say that.
I've, I've heard a lot about on thenineties cars that like when you try
to track them, the a BS can get reallyconfused and it can can Oh yeah, yeah, it
can, it can actually think it's on ice andso then it doesn't break very effectively.
Sometimes like it, it getsconfused and then you can't break

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into a turn and you hit a wall.
E 36 is love to do that.
That's true.
I was gonna say, I'm surprised it's takenthis long for the Viper to be mentioned.
God damnit.
I was saving it.
I was saving it.
That's my crown jewel.
I know, I, I I figured you would'veled with your favorite car, but, you
know, no, save the best for last.
You gotta start at the top.
You know, I'm gonna break it downto a complete bare basic one.

(55:26):
It's where you can fit multiple in aplace of one vehicle if you want to.
Oh God.
Just an Austin Mini Cooper.
I mean, they're cool assfun little cars to drive.
Yeah.
And they built them forever.
They were the same up untilthe, the, the Fatties came out.
I mean, the, the new Minis came out, but,uh, not the, not, not the BM BMW Mini.
The real Mini, correct, correct.
Yeah.
They built those in England up untilthe two thousands in the old style.

(55:49):
Yep.
I love all parts of Karcher.
I, I appreciate the minis for whatthey are, but it's not, it just
doesn't, it's not, you doesn'tget me out of bed in the morning.
I think, I think the Viper, you know, wetalked a little bit about like cars that.
The best 90 cars, nineties carsbeing made in 2001 or oh two.
Yes.
The best nineties viper from2016 would be a great purchase.

(56:11):
You can still buy those new todayon any Dodge Lot, so you can still
go, you can still find a Dodgedealer that never sold that car.
They're sitting right next to theDodge Dart and the PT Cruiser.
At any rate, shout out to Romano.
That's right.
A hundred percent.
The Viper is number one on my list by far.
But in your case, see, I'm, I'ma, I'm a, I'm like a purist.

(56:33):
I want a Targa.
I just, I just want a Targa becauseit's the original, it's like a
Cobra, the whole nine yard attack.
And they, when they firstcame out with that GTS where I
Exactly, that's where I was going.
I still, I still remember whenI was, I must, I think it was a
junior in high school when theyfirst came outta GTS, the odd, that
car was gorgeous, so it still is.
White, great looking car, loosestripes and that hood scoop.

(56:53):
Nobody had hood scoops backthen, except the WS six.
Of course.
Thing was, was uh, was evil looking.
It was great.
They're sub a hundred.
You can still get a GTS coop forless than you guys are missing.
You guys are missing the, uh,the best price for product.
That was not a viper.
I showed that's a low bar.
Just so we're clear.
It's a low, low bar, but go aheadplease tell us the SRT 10 truck.

(57:19):
Yes.
Yes.
Put that V 10 in the truck.
It was a great car, great truck.
I drove one of those and that's.
It was the craziest fuckingthing I've ever driven.
I've driven, I've driven lightning.
The SRT 10 truck is way more, fuck, I,I, I go, I think I go cyclone though.
I think I'd go cyclone.
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
To drive home the dangerousnessof the original vipers.

(57:41):
I was talking to another instructorat an HPDE and he said one day a
guy showed up in a viper and uh,he was talking to, to his coach.
He goes, yeah, yeah,this is my third viper.
I totaled the other two, so I figuredI better learn how to drive it.
Oh God.
And then he totaled thethird one at the track.
I still want one.
I don't care.
I still want one.

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That's that, that remindsme of the C five Corvettes.
Right?
Like those things couldsnap on you so quick.
Of course, I had that 85 Porsche nine 11in big iron block way out in the back.
Right?
This was before theystarted inching it forward.
Every generation.
That thing almost killed me once,and the, the idea of having to
like feather a throttle to like,so like you, you screwed up.

(58:24):
Like too little or too much, andjust this idea that you just kind
of have to bounce on it to keepyourself from dying was, uh, yeah.
Widow makers are funny.
So I just heard something.
I can't believe I just heard a Porscheowner admitting that the motor was too far
back and they have to keep moving forward.
Oh, those eighties cars the Right, I mean,so it was this huge iron lump, especially
if you took some of the parts out, right?

(58:44):
You're in a 2200 pound car withthis, all this weight out back.
Yeah, no, it was, it was really,really hard to hold a drift
more skill than I, than I have.
I couldn't do it.
And so the couple times the backendreally got out on me was kind
of like puckering type moments.
Well, since we're talking aboutGerman cars, now that we have

(59:05):
left a few on the table, I think,and we talked about Mercedes and
whatnot, we've mentioned a few BMWs.
What about
another Porsche?
I'd love this idea.
I think my next family car willprobably be a tie can or something.
Sure.
What are you thinking?
I've got a couple favoritesall in the nineties, so I'll
just rattle 'em off real quick.

(59:26):
9 68, 9 64, 9 64 RS America, 9 93, 928 S four or GTS 9 68 was a fine car.
Its biggest problem was it wasa four cylinder, which wasn't
very exciting for buyers.
If you could find a club sportthough, whole different animal
compared to the stock 9 68.

(59:47):
Yeah.
'cause they cut the counter.
Sure.
Well, and and it took everything, ittook a lot of what the 9 44 had, which
was phenomenal weight, balance, andspectacular handling, and added something
that the nine 40 fours never had.
You know, I mean, nine four,dare you impuning the turbo.
The problem with the 9 68would be getting real power up.
Agree.
Because they were 230horse back in the day.

(01:00:09):
Three liter.
Yeah.
Nothing fancy.
You know, the four cylindersis a little tricky.
You know, you're right.
The, the non-cloud, like the originals,they, they had a really heavy
counterweight, kind of made the motornot as much fun to try and make a
smoother German driving experience.
I love the idea of a 9 28.
It is the coolest car from theeighties that was launched in the

(01:00:30):
seventies and made through 1998.
Yeah.
Right.
But it's, it is the coolestcar of the eighties.
I would totally love a, a 94 or fiveor whatever, if you can find 'em.
I mean, those cars cost so much.
Damn.
Like the late model ones,those cars cost so much money.
So I, I had this idea I was kickingaround earlier of, there was a shop in
Pennsylvania, I can't remember the namenow, but they do, they do a lot of work

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on 9 28 motors to get through emissions.
They launched the 32 valve in the85, like so you can find a cheap 9
28 and make a hot rod out of thatas opposed to trying buy a four s or
something, which, you know, is just,those cars are $70,000 or whatever.
Unrestored.
I just have to do a quick correctionthere, mark, because you said that

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was the coolest vehicle that like.
Oh, oh God.
Presented in the seventies andwas available in the eighties.
Eric, can you mute him?
Body, square body.
That's all I gotta say.
Uh, box Chevy Caprice.
Is that what he just said?
Is that what I heard?
That's a square body too.
Holy cow.
That's terrible.
No, his favorite car.
The Ford Tar Wagon that madeit into the nineties, right?

(01:01:33):
Mercury Sable wagon.
But the thing is, I think the9 64 was short-lived, right?
88 to 92.
It was only around for fouryears and it's underappreciated.
But the thing that was badassabout the 9 64 is all the variants
that it came in in four years.
The RS America, the CTR, two Yellowbirdrecreation that they did, the 9 64 turbo.

(01:01:54):
I mean, there's a bunch of crazy,like it's like the last hoorah of
the old school, nine 11 and to yourpoint, a car that was built in the
sixties that they dragged all the waythrough the nineties, and they finally
got it right before they basicallystarted over again with the 9 9 3.
Now, don't get me wrong, the 9 9 3.
Gorgeous car, especially some ofthose colors they had like that
merlott and that ice blue andthere's some really neat stuff.

(01:02:17):
And I got the opportunity toride in a 95 twin Turbo 9 9 3.
And that was unbelievablyeye-opening experience.
And I, I, it, it still has leftan impression on me to this day.
Those cars are amazing.
So those are on my vote.
If you're gonna go with Porsches, allthe ones I listed, there's some really
cool stuff there in that really shortwindow of time in the early nineties.

(01:02:37):
It's too bad the 9 6 4 turbos havegotten up, uh, so much in price.
Those, those are really cool.
Those are really cool cars.
They, they made a bunch ofdifferent cool, cool fun cars.
Yeah, obviously I'd, if I, if I had alot more money, I'd have a 9, 9 3 turbo.
Of course car would be badass.
Now I think there's anothercar we've forgotten about.
You could buy it on a budget.
You'd have a lot of money left over.

(01:02:58):
What, what, what is this?
S Miata.
Well, there's always, well see you now.
You're ruining it.
The answer's alwaysMiata, but VR six Rado.
Oh, we're gonna do Rados.
I loved Rados as a kid.
I remember my dad and I, we'd goto this dealership and we'd looked
at this, I remember at the timethinking like, this car is $27,000.

(01:03:19):
Are they out of their mind?
It was expensive.
Yeah.
And that's why we could see that onesame car every week for a year, because
they never saw if it was the one in dcif it was the red one in DC it's the
one my dad ended up buying, by the way.
Just like you know, itwas one in Frederick.
It was, it was in a f Fred.
It was in the Frederick Volkswagen dealer.
It sat there forever.
But God, that car was cool.
And I loved the idea of the, thesupercharged four cylinder before

(01:03:42):
the, before they put the VR six init and um, G sixties, which I prefer
the G six over to VR six, last femur.
Blasphemer.
Well, well, I, I almost, I almost bought aco, I almost bought, instead of that Z 28,
instead of that 94 Z 28, I almost boughta rado, supercharged, uh, force cylinder.
The big downside Rados hadwas they were heavy compared

(01:04:04):
to anything Volkswagen made.
The supercharged was slower than the Roccothat it replaced, which was a tough sell,
and the V six, which was obviously faster.
Suffered from the fact that ithad this giant lump at the front.
I mean, they were, theywere neat looking cars.
The problem with them was they just likeevery Volkswagen, they drive the wrong
wheels and the weight distribution sucks.

(01:04:25):
Now, I will say this, the VR six is oneof those underappreciated engines though.
And if you follow the VRSociety guys on Instagram, they
will swap a VR into anything.
But it's amazing the amount of powerthey can get out of that 12 valve.
I mean, 900 horsepower is not astretch of the imagination to do
out of that tiny little engine,which is absolutely amazing.
But staying with that idea, alsoa car from the nineties, also

(01:04:48):
from Volkswagen, also availablewith the VR six, the Eurovan.
Think about Hot Roding.
A Eurovan.
That'd be pretty slick, man.
Sounds nasty.
Big turbo.
You're still gonna light up thefront end, but it's in a van.
If I'm gonna hot Rod a minivan,I'll do it right and I will.
Hot Rod a Honda Odyssey,like Rutledge Wood did.

(01:05:08):
People actually did that like, like whenthe, the whole Fast and the Furious thing.
It was, it was like when.
It was like a second versionof when like, uh, Dr.
Dre got to the suburbs, right?
And, and it was, and so all of asudden you have all these kids thinking
about like the crap they're gonna do.
Like people were legit puttingnitrous kits in Odysseys.
Like, it sounds like ajoke, but they did it.

(01:05:29):
But what van could you buywith a manual transmission?
None.
None.
That's fine.
A Dodge Caravan.
The Chevy Astro also I thinkoffered a manual for a couple years.
I know, I know someone who had aDodge Caravan stick shift when?
When I was in high school.
Did the Eurovan come with a manual too?
This Eurovan I just putin the chat is a manual.
There you go.
Boom.
This one's a camper too.

(01:05:50):
What's a West Flia?
West Flia.
So Mike being a BMW guy, BMW fan, Ithink there's one we've forgotten.
Z one.
I can't afford an original Z eight, but aZ one with the door thing that drops down.
It could be hot.
The Z eights are slick.
Those are, those are hot.
Those, these are so hot.
I love the z eights back in the day.
It is a Z car.
Come on.

(01:06:11):
Come on, Mikey.
Oh, the clown shoe.
That one?
Yeah, the clown shoe started in 98.
Z 3M or whatever the, the penis mobile.
It was like an upside down cocking balls.
So those are, those are, youcould hoon around in those cars.
They're light, they're agile.
Decent power for as for as bigas they are with the 3.2 liter
especially, I drove a, A 98 thatwas that a gentleman I know special

(01:06:35):
ordered and all this kind of thing.
It was a cool car I had visibilitywise, I thought it was a little
awkward, but it all depends onyour height more than anything.
But everybody kind ofraves about the clown shoe.
You gotta get over the aesthetics of it.
But it is definitely a hoon car and.
In typical BMW fashion, throw a dinekit on it or something else like
that and make gobs of horsepower.

(01:06:55):
Yeah, absolutely.
I, I almost bought a Z four Mwhen I got my E 46, M three.
I was kind of going betweenthe two, but the original Z 3M
would, would be a ton of fun.
That would be pretty, I, I kindof imagine they're, they're ugly.
You either love them or hate 'em.
I think I'd love one, I think I'dlove one and that, and that's another
car you really have to respectbecause it's got a boatload of

(01:07:16):
power and no wheel base to speak of.
Yeah.
You know, and, and that's fun.
So do we have any othersuggestions for Mark?
I think we should go around the, thehorn and give our best Hail Mary.
I think so too.
Well, I wanna, I wanna highlight a fewthings and Mark, you can correct me if I'm
wrong, some of the things you went ooh,ah, about as we were talking about this.

(01:07:37):
I think 9 28 was on that list.
I think the Audi S eight was on that list.
500 or five Audi E 500 for sure.
And maybe the BMW eight series.
Right.
So those are like the top fivekind of out of the list of
30 that we posted out there.
But I think, I think Brad's right, we,we don't have an American one in there.
I like the WS six.
I think that's a fun idea.
I could do that.
Let's shotgun it.
Let's start, Matt, what would yourecommend a hundred grand to spend

(01:08:00):
one car from the nineties go?
Probably the 500 E Mount.
Well, I was gonna say we didn't, uh,for American cars earlier, I don't think
we mentioned it, but the Ford SHO wasa bit of a sleeper back in its time.
So.
Get the fuck outta herewith the Yamaha motor.
Get the fuck outta here.
Wise guy.
What is this Taurus stuff?

(01:08:20):
So before it went Ular, the olderboxier, the Robocop one, the
Robocop with the Yamaha V six.
That's not a bad, that'snot a bad suggestion.
Ford probe.
So Mountain man Dad, thatyou, you're a Blasphemer dude.
You cannot recommend aFord as a bow tie man.
So what's your shotgun for Mark?
No, no, no.

(01:08:40):
I wasn't recommending it because I'mnot a fan of SOI was just mentioning it.
As I mentioned, Uhhuh, definitely,like I said earlier, I'm a hundred
percent on board with the WS six option.
'cause there's.
A ton of aftermarket stuff you can do.
And those LS engineswill take tons of power.
But if you're gonna go with European bestbang for your buck would be go online
and try to find something and ship it.
'cause I think you would get ithere stateside and have a lot more

(01:09:02):
money to be able to invest in itthan if you were to buy one already.
Stateside.
This is the slowest speedround I think we've ever done.
Yeah, because everybody's got10 other, you know, things
they want to add in there.
Race, Iran, what are you thinking?
Shotgun citation X 11.
No, that's too word.
Oh god, I'm, I'm thinkingthe Esplanade all the way.
The ante, thees.
Esper.
Classy car.

(01:09:23):
Beautiful.
Makes a lot of power holds.
People got modern, uh, conveniencesand still hauls ass and you can
make a ton of power with that.
Five liter or bigger.
I have three.
The Ferrari F 3 55, the Shelby Series.
One or one that wouldactually be attainable for me.
The 3000 GT Shelby series one.
Do we know how much those cost?
They're, they're in the stratosphere.

(01:09:44):
They're expensive.
Oh yeah.
Nope.
Out of budget.
I like some of the suggestionsthat have been put out.
I mean, I am, I was surprised bythe WS six because I forgot about
it, and I do really like that car.
I think that's a lot of fun.
I think you could havea lot of fun with that.
But for the amount of money you wouldspend in a WS six, you would park
it in your garage next to your GTthree and go, oh God, I own a pond.

(01:10:05):
I'd park it on top of my GT three.
Yeah, right.
You'll never drive that.
WS six and the interioris complete garbage.
It's like sitting in your Cavalierfrom the eighties all over again.
Point in case, right?
So that you would be miserable.
That's why I say if you're, if you'rereally thinking about going down that
route and you don't want something exoticlike the Penos or you know, all these

(01:10:27):
other cars we talked about, I honestlybelieve my heart of heart Viper is
the answer because it's already done.
It sounds amazing.
It looks amazing.
It, it's not even moving.
And it looks fast.
It is fast.
It's a cool car.
It's it's quintessential nineties.
They got it right.
Especially with the GTS coop.
I don't think you can go wrongand you're probably gonna end up.

(01:10:49):
You know, picking one up, let's sayin the market of 70 to 80, you know,
pristine condition, low mileage withouthaving to do a whole heck of a lot.
And you'll have moneyleft over in your pocket.
You know, you build some of theseother cars and you're still left
with whatever the base car was.
Now the exception to the Viper rule,like I said, is if you go back to
the Porsches from the early ninetiesor mid nineties, there's some really

(01:11:10):
cool stuff there, especially if youcould find a low mileage 9, 9 3 or
even a 9 64 or something like that.
But you already have a nine 11and you want something different.
So I still think my votelies with the Dodge.
Alright.
Alright.
And secretly I wannadrive it after you get it.
So just letting you know and, and I'mgonna change, I'm gonna drop the series
one because they are unobtainium and I'mgonna replace it with the B five S four.

(01:11:32):
I like that.
I like that.
I think I'd go S eight ifI was gonna do Audi though.
I agree with you on that one.
Been there, done that.
I'm gonna throw this out there.
I know you, this is for me.
Just so we're clear.
This is for me.
Oh, you're not buying me a car.
Well, why are we doing this shit?
It's what waste should I buy?
What should last 90 minutes?

(01:11:54):
Eric was uh, talking sometrash on your Ws just now.
But here's the thing though.
Pontiac is no longer a brand.
That means it's onlygonna increase in value.
Bullshit.
It's gonna stay at 15grand for its eternity.
No, I, so I think, no, actuallyI do think you're right.
I, I think probably a goodcondition one would go up.

(01:12:15):
The, the problem is, is like, I'm,like I said, I do want to get into
modification and, and personalizationof it, and I, I think that will kind of.
Will hurt Its resale of, of a viperor are you talking about the problem?
Oh, the, the w the like, you know,of the W six or whatever of a viper.
I mean, everybody knowsthat's a death trap.
I think if, honestly, if I weregonna get a viper, I don't think
I'd get one from the nineties.

(01:12:36):
Like I think it would scratch thatnineties itch, but I would get a later
one and you know, then one of the onesthat makes 640 horsepower or whatever,
and it's, you're getting that outtathe box and it only costs 20 grand more
than the one from the nineties anyway.
I mean, I've ridden on track inan A CR and it's unbelievable.
One of my favorite cars ever.
I mean, you can keep everythingelse as, as far as I'm concerned.

(01:12:58):
So just like every, what should I buy?
Episode, we never really docome to a logical conclusion.
Lots of really great suggestionsand I'm gonna put air quotes around.
Great.
And it was really fun tohave everybody on the show.
So Mark, hopefully we gave you somefood for thought, you know, maybe
some things you weren't thinkingabout, some other things to consider,
some sleepers and and whatnot.
So we wish you luck on your journey.

(01:13:19):
We wanna follow back up with youand see what you end up buying.
You know, thanks for coming on.
This has been a lot of fun.
Awesome.
You know, I really appreciate it.
You guys have given mea lot to think about.
I, I think it's important for me, like Itry not to get married to any one idea.
And so I try to find that mix of likethe car that's in the right condition
and, and kind of checks those boxes.
And, and so it's like, I, I, it's notlike I'm gonna come out of this and

(01:13:41):
just pick one car and then I'm gonnago and try and hunt and find that it's
more of like, it's kind of broadenedmy horizons from a search perspective.
I will find a car that feels rightand I'll pick it up, and you guys
have given me a lot of good ideasand, and I, and thinking in different
directions from cars and even purchasemarkets to where I want to do that.
So I appreciate it.
This has been great.
Very cool.
Very cool and we wanna thank ourpanel of, uh, guest g tmr tonight,

(01:14:04):
racer Ron Hazmat mountain man.
Dan, obviously, Brad and I are alwayshere and if you're listening to this
episode and you would like to set upyour own version of what Should I buy,
don't hesitate to reach out for us.
We'd love to have you on theshow and give a, give you all
of our bad recommendations.
So until next time, are we gonna do afollow up in about six months when Mark
tells us all about the Miata he bought.

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