August 2, 2023 • 51 mins
In this episode, Alex and Pat discuss Twitter's rebrand to X, Meta's Threads as competition to X, Google Cloud Platform turning a profit for the first time, Pat's time at Networking Field Day, and Cisco U features and capabilities! If you're interested in Cisco's Rev Up to Recert initiative they have going on right now, check out this link
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Pat Allen (00:01):
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to this week'sedition of Breaking Down the
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So, Kyle is not here this week.
He's got some after hoursmaintenance, so I hope that's
going well and he's notcompletely blowing up his world,
(00:44):
which it can be scary.
We've all.
Been there so it's just Alex 90and ninth Duo, we haven't done
one of these in a while, Alex, alittle tech news action.
So it's been a couple of weeks.
We've the Cisco Live one was wasin there, the recap and the
whole deal.
So it's been a couple weekssince we have our monthly ish.
Tech news that we've been tryingto do.
So figured we would stick one inhere.
(01:06):
It seems like it's a good time.
There's a lot of there's a lotof decent news going on out
there from the tech world, so wefigured it would be good to
stick our noses in here and givean opinion or two on what is
going on.
So I guess the first thing, Ican't really, I have to change,
I have to change the intro.
I can't say Twitter anymore.
I have to say X.
Oh my God.
I, I'm like an old dog.
(01:27):
I can't learn these new tricks.
This is outrageous.
I gotta have somebody pre-recordthis for me.
This is insanity, my man, MikeCunningham, that does our intro.
Where are you at, buddy?
We're gonna have you do thisintro too.
'cause I, I can't, oh man.
That's gonna throw me all off.
I'm a creature of habit.
It's what I do.
Here's how.
Alex (01:45):
Oh, well, that, how do I follow up with that?
But yeah.
I'm doing fine.
I know I'm not a, a social mediaguy but I am really interested
to hear your take on x slashTwitter.
I think it's.
Everyone's gonna call Twitterfor at least another couple
months, I would
Pat Allen (02:03):
long time long time.
Alex (02:06):
you.
So you get
Pat Allen (02:07):
good Lord.
Alex (02:09):
Yeah, that's all I got.
I mean, Kyle's not here, so Iwon't bother talking about the
weather.
I'm ready to just get right intoit.
Pat Allen (02:16):
Let's do it.
So speaking of that, let's talkabout that Twitter rebrand to X.
Our favorite billionaire, Mr.
Elon Musk.
He all, he seems to be ineveryone's feeds these days and,
and thoughts and mouths of thebetter or worse, right?
We've all been there.
We've seen both sides of theaisle, which totally
understandable.
I found it interesting.
(02:37):
I, it, it makes sense in someaspects.
I think, I think he's got alittle bit of a.
Sort of like fly by the seat ofhis pants sort of attitude.
But again, that's why he is whohe is and one of the smartest
people on the planet.
And I'm not questioning,anything'cause look as he's
done.
And here we are talking on apodcast.
(02:58):
So like, that's my claim to fameis this podcast.
So, we can't compare apples andapples.
But but no, I, it makes sense insome aspects.
To me, I think it he.
I mean, obviously, right.
The Twitter as a, as a brand wasit's almost iconic in, in some
aspects, right?
It's, it was literally one ofthe very first to the game of
(03:19):
its kind.
And, people knew it.
The Twitter bird and the, tweetsand, all that kind of stuff.
They really carved a name outfor themselves over the last,
whatever, how many years they'vebeen around.
It's, it's been around a longtime.
And then, he comes and.
Takes it over I don't know, Iwon't wanna say somewhat hostile
way he did it, depends on whoyou talk to.
It depends on That kind ofthing.
But and then he's, okay, I'mgonna change the name.
(03:41):
And people went and like all theTwitter purists went, oh my God,
you're gonna do what?
You know, Like, mine's exploded.
And you could see the smoke froma thousand miles away.
So, some of it makes sense.
Some of it still is a littlemurky to me, but I'm interested
to see where he goes.
'cause I think he's trying torebrand it from a, you can kind
of do everything on thisplatform, not just A hundred or
(04:03):
200 and whatever the characterlimit is up to now.
So I think there's bigger plansthere, and he's just kind of,
this is the first bandaid thathe's ripped off.
So I'll, I'll stop there and getyour thoughts.
Alex (04:14):
Yeah, the biggest fear, at least from a marketing
standpoint, which is probablysome people on his team that are
probably concerned about it too,is Twitter is pretty iconic.
I mean the logo, even calling ita tweet and when you rebrand it
do you lose marketing share justbecause you're not using what
(04:38):
everyone's accustomed to.
I guess that's the big concern.
The other thing is just kind oflike meta slash Facebook did, it
didn't work out well in theircase, but they rebar themselves
meta because they wanted tokinda think distance themselves
from the original idea of justFacebook and try to introduce
everything else that thiscompany does.
(04:59):
And just like you said, they, hewants X or Twitter to be more
than just a means of sending acouple hundred characters at a
time.
I mean, he is already, and maybethey already did this before he
started on, but I mean, now youcan have pretty long videos on
Twitter.
And I don't know what elseoutside of that, that's like the
(05:20):
first thing that comes to mind.
It's just like you hearnowadays, people watching entire
videos on Twitter.
He even mentioned, I didn't lookinto this, I don't know if you
did too, but he, he was talkingabout even using X to be some
type of financial app.
And this is where I need to lookinto it a little bit more.
I don't, I don't really see howthat has, well, again, it goes
(05:44):
back to maybe why he rebrandedit, but I, I, I'm interested to
see how the platform can changeso much and.
Why not just create another app,I guess is what I was thinking.
But yeah, I'm interested to seewhere it goes.
People, he's a polarizingfigure, to say the least, and
some people have his opinions,but at this point I, I'd be hard
(06:04):
not to believe that he's gonnamake something a success.
I think that's kind of how Ifeel right now.
I mean, between PayPal andSpaceX and Neural Lynx and
Tesla.
Yeah, I just, it's hard to betagainst them and, and like I
said, I, I'm not a social mediaguy, so I'm, I could see myself
(06:26):
using X
Pat Allen (06:27):
There you go.
The door is opened.
The door is opened.
Yes.
Alex (06:31):
associated as just a social media app, even if I, do
it a little bit
Pat Allen (06:37):
That's right.
No, I think you're right.
I think it's the idea.
And and it's hard to, it's hardto Kind of go against his track
record, right?
I mean, SpaceX and PayPal was,PayPal was certainly one of, its
first of its kind, in thedigital space, right?
And LYX and, and obviouslyTesla, right?
(06:58):
I mean, Everybody.
I, I know a bunch of people thathave like, Teslas, like they
can't, I, I think people can'twait to get their hands on Tesla
stuff.
And it's just like, shout out tomy old boss, Dave Chrisman, who
like, loves his Tesla.
He can't get enough of it.
I've ridden in that, in thatthing a few times and it's
awesome.
Lemme tell you, it's great.
It's, so, it's hard to goagainst his track record Again.
He's a polarizing figure.
His personal opinions aside,like, it just, he does things
(07:21):
that make.
To me, make the world goforward.
And that's not me, apologizingfor him or whatever, he's
certainly done in the past,whatever.
But like if, again, you gottasort of take the feeling out of
it.
But if you just look at whathe's done, it's just, it's hard
to bet against him to, to see,okay, look, yeah, he's gonna let
you know, well x, he's gonna letX go, down the toilet.
I just don't, I don't see it.
(07:43):
And it's, it's hard to kinda.
I sort of, kind of see wherehe's coming from as far as like
the old Twitter brand that madesense, like the 140 characters
right.
Messages going back and forthand birds, birds tweeting, yada
yada, that kind of thing.
But now as he wants to evolvethis thing and go, again, the
financial app and, and all thethings he wants to do with it,
(08:04):
the, the old Twitter brand justdidn't make sense anymore'cause
it's a lot more robust than whatit was originally, kind of used
for.
Alex (08:11):
Right.
Yeah.
So you get the good and the badwith marketing?
Yeah.
I mean, Twitter is iconic.
Everyone understands what it is,but therein lies the issue.
If you're gonna try to make itso much more than what people
are accustomed to when theythink of Twitter, maybe it makes
sense to rebrand.
Pat Allen (08:30):
Right.
Yeah, that was interesting aswell.
And I don't know, you have thefinal thought there, or.
Alex (08:36):
I, I don't think there's anything more to say with X
other than I'm one of thosepeople that think it's gonna be
successful.
But I did wanna mention that hedoes seem to have a liking for
X.
'cause the other big news inJuly was he announced X ai.
So I don't know if you've beenReading at all about that.
(08:59):
But for those of you that don'tknow, and maybe it's not obvious
'cause we talk about his trackrecord.
He is one of the co-founders ofOpenAI, which made chat, G P T,
which was, has been our technews for everything.
He, I think he left the companyor left any affiliation with it
in 2018.
So, I mean, not to say that hehad the reason for its success.
(09:20):
But just the idea that he waspart of it.
So now he's starting his owncompany X ai, so that's
interesting.
Don't know what he'll end updoing with that, but has me
interested for sure.
I know his biggest concern withOpenAI and the reason that he
claimed to have left was, he'sa.
(09:42):
At least he claims to be afreedom of speech, like, freedom
Fighter kind of thing, where he,he fights for freedom of speech
and I guess he thought that openAI and chat G P t, the danger
with them is, is that theymoderated too much.
And this is such a gray area.
I mean, what, what do youmoderate?
(10:03):
mean, but if you get to thepoint where something can I mean
we talked so much about whatChap, G P T and this just AI
revolution, what it can do if itwas biased in any way, how
simple it could be to kind ofjust influence just about
anything.
And I know that was Elon'sconcern, is this, if you
(10:25):
censored too much.
You're gonna get to the pointwhere biases come into play.
And so I know that's one of hisgoals with whatever AI platforms
he starts right now is reallylimit censorship, which is gonna
come up to some interestingstuff.
'cause I think it's gonna getbashed pretty hard.
Pat Allen (10:44):
Sure.
Alex (10:44):
I think there's gonna be people that say like, Hey I can
find a lot of hate speech prettyeasily here.
I can Write new manifestmanifestos or K, K, K, I can
build a bomb.
So anyway, I'm interested to seewhere that goes.
So,
Pat Allen (11:00):
So I could smell the hate
Alex (11:01):
more it.
Pat Allen (11:03):
smell it.
It's coming that, that train'snever late.
Anyway I find that interest.
That was the first time I heardthat.
I did not know.
X I was a thing.
So I'm, I'm interested now thatyou kind of put that on the
table.
I'm interested to see how thatgoes as well, because, we all
kind of talk in this censorshipgame.
That seems to be, in today'smajor news outlets and various
(11:25):
social media platforms.
But it, it's very interesting tosee how that's gonna, play out.
Yeah.
There again, you start censoringthings.
Then it's like, all right, well,who's censoring it and what
ideology do they have?
Does the bias come into play?
And things of that nature.
And then, all of a sudden the,the pendulum swings the other
way.
And then you have the other sidecensoring.
And then people go, oh, why arewe get censored?
(11:46):
Well, it's like, you open thedoor to this when you people
were doing the sensory, thatthat just, how about Anyway.
So yeah, I, I find thatinteresting to see how that's
gonna go.
And I, I, I feel like and Iguess this is my, my final thing
on the X rebrand, but it'soriginally when Elon took over,
(12:07):
it was very, there was like ashaky time there because he was
not sure, well, I should say he,he, he was very sure but the
like advertisers were sort ofbacking out.
That kind of thing.
Again, personal bias comes intoplay.
You don't like Elon and you'regonna, take your ball and go
home, which is fine.
That's your right to do.
So, but now he's hired Linda, isit Y Carino?
(12:28):
I think that's how, I thinkthat's how you pronounce her
last name.
Alex (12:30):
was it the N B C
Pat Allen (12:31):
She was at N B C exec.
Yeah.
Now she's the c e o of ofTwitter, which I guess is sort
of calm some of the advertisingfears.
So I'm, I'm guessing some of theadvertising is back in the game,
I'll be interested to see howthat sort of plays out and how
she fits into all this.
And but yeah, it's supposed tobe this whole audio, video
messaging, payments, banking,global marketplace, kind of,
(12:55):
thing that he's got, that hisvision has got.
So I think he's got the vision.
I just think that he hasn't soldthe vision yet.
For better or for worse, he justhasn't sold it or people aren't
quite buying it.
But I don't know if that's, ifthey will eventually and get
over that.
I hate Elon all the time.
Nonsense, or if they're justgoing to use something else.
(13:16):
'cause to me, like all thesesocial medias are just getting
outta hand.
Like I can't do another socialmedia.
It just drives me crazy that Ihave to spin up another one
because everyone flocks to thesenew places.
I'm like, I don't have time forthis.
This is insane.
Alex (13:29):
Yeah.
And maybe that's what he istrying to do.
He is just like, you have oneapp that does everything.
Because I mean, even, you caneven make the argument that
Facebook did the same thing.
I mean, they, they, they ownInstagram and so rather than
kind of blending them bothtogether and having'em do both,
there's two separate apps now.
They have threads.
Again, I'm not a social mediaguy, but that's another thing
that came out big in July.
'cause it was like the, theTwitter killer.
(13:52):
So I guess shifting over that
Pat Allen (13:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Alex (13:55):
talk about
Pat Allen (13:55):
Good segue.
Alex (13:57):
Any chance you downloaded it, tried it your thoughts on
it?
Is it just yet another thing todo?
Pat Allen (14:05):
I think it is.
I really do.
I downloaded it the first daythat it was able to come out,
and I looked at it maybe twicesince then, and I downloaded it
like two weeks ago.
Which I think is most people, Ithink what they, I think what
most, again, society's like ashiny object, right?
Like, oh yeah, there's a new toyto play with.
Go.
And then they, they all did it.
(14:26):
So they had this massive rush oflike all these downloads in the
first like 48 hours or whateverit was, and then people didn't
touch it again.
Like they had a massive dropoff.
So, it, it looks very similar toTWI to X.
I'm gonna call it Twitter.
I swear I, I'll, I'll, I'll fixthat.
It looks very similar to, to X.
It just, it's very, it's veryodd to me that they started to
(14:49):
play in that space.
It just, it seemed like X wasthe winner in that particular
form of social media.
I don't know what they weretrying to kind of get at or
whatnot, but it just seemed to,it, it, it was hot for.
A couple of days.
And like I said, I haven'tlooked at it since, and it just,
it, it seems to be, I am mostfolks where they basically like
(15:11):
I said, they signed up and thenthey lost like over 50% of its
users, that kind of thing.
So it's, it's taken a dive.
So I don't know if they haveplans to sort of temper that,
bring it back, something of thatnature.
We'll see.
Alex (15:28):
Well, again, as someone who's not a social media guy,
what exactly is it?
Pat Allen (15:32):
Yeah.
Alex (15:33):
people.
I know you said it's like a, aTwitter or X replacement.
Is that really, it just kindalike it's a short snippets and
that's it.
So as opposed to people posting20 images and five paragraphs,
it's like you get X amount ofcharacters
Pat Allen (15:51):
Yeah.
It's basically, it was basicallydeemed to be a Twitter Killer.
But it's I, two days ago was theZuck, as I like to call him, He
came out and said that the, thatit's lost more than half its
users.
So, it was like a hundredmillion users in the first, like
five or whatever day, five daysor a week, whatever it was And
(16:12):
then all the, now they're like,they're, they're down to 50
million I guess.
What this says is true.
It's lost more than half.
So, it's interesting.
But yeah, it's basically that itliterally looks almost identical
to Twitter.
At least the last time I loggedin.
It's very Twitter esque and it'sit just feels very, even the
logo is kind of weird.
It's like a weird, like atsymbol kind of thing.
(16:33):
So I, I mean, I guess it makessense, but It is very Twitter
esque.
I'm, I'm looking at it rightnow, live.
So it's very, yeah, it's,there's not a whole lot to it.
It's very, Twitter esque and Idon't know the character limits
or if there is one.
But anybody, if anybody knowsthat, let us, let us know.
Hit me up.
But it, it looks exactly likeTwitter and some people do it.
(16:55):
And as I get notifications'causeas people join, Threads.
I get notifications like, Hey,you file this person on
Facebook, and they're now onthreads.
And I'm like, great.
You know, That kind of, I justswipe and get rid of the
notification.
But but yeah, it, it's veryTwitter esque.
And I just thought maybe, Iguess did you think Zuckerberg
(17:16):
was just kind of like, Hey,let's spin this up and have
those people that we've, thathave, have been scorned by Eli's
takeover of Twitter will come tous?
it work.
I, I don't know what his thoughtwas.
That'd be interesting to seewhat kind of changes they make
to kind of bait some of thosefolks back into the pool.
Alex (17:35):
Well, for me, and maybe this isn't the case for
everyone, I could, I had no ideathis was even coming.
So, I mean, this isn't somethingyou just develop in a, a week.
So, when I first heard it Ididn't realize that it was gonna
be such a big thing, and I alsothought it was half a joke
because the thing I had beenhearing about Musk and Zuck is
(18:00):
is the.
The potential U F C
Pat Allen (18:03):
Oh, they're gonna cage fight.
That's right.
I forgot all about that.
Why didn't I lead with that?
Dammit,
Alex (18:09):
so there's a part of me that thought this was just a
practical joke, like he is justlike, ah, I'm just coming out my
own version of Twitter.
And then I was like, oh, it's areal thing.
Pat Allen (18:16):
That's funny.
Yeah, that's right.
They were gonna cage fight and Iguess like Zuckerberg's like
training with like BrazilianJuujitsu guys and like, oh, it's
wild.
Alex (18:25):
he, is big in it.
Pat Allen (18:26):
all about that.
Alex (18:27):
I mean, that's a bores line on whether it's tech news
or not.
But yeah, his journey tobecoming an, like a pretty
respectable fighter and gettingin shape is getting pretty well
documented at this point.
Like, he's in really good shapenow, and yeah, there's quite a
bit of footage with him andseems like he is taking his.
(18:47):
This is a lot more serious whereMusk is just, I think he went on
record too, saying if thishappens, which he seems to be
okay with the idea, he's notlosing any weight for it.
Pat Allen (18:57):
Yeah.
That's funny.
Alex (18:59):
he's actually a Elon's a, he's not a small dude.
He's like, he's 6, 2, 3.
He's, he is not a small guy andZuckerberg is so normally U s c
fights.
There's
Pat Allen (19:09):
They're pretty jacked.
Yeah.
Alex (19:12):
I think Musk is like 70, 75 pounds heavier.
So that's why he said, I'm notlosing any weight for this.
Like you guys are gonna have toaccept that I'm 70 pounds
heavier than
Pat Allen (19:22):
yeah.
.Yeah.
It is what it is.
Yeah, that's, I wanna know whereElon gets his time from to, to
actually, like, if he's gonna doit, like where, how's he gonna
train?
That guy doesn't sleep as it is.
Like I don't understand what.
Alex (19:34):
I, I don't think he will.
I think he'll just, he'll justshow up and it, it'll probably
be the most entertaining thingwe've ever seen.
Pat Allen (19:44):
He'll probably like drive, he'll drive the new Tesla
that nobody's ever seen beforeto the octagon.
He'll drive right down, rightdown into the arena to it like,
Alex (19:52):
the shorts and gloves got the X brand on it.
Pat Allen (19:56):
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, I, i, I'd see that, I'dtake a look
Alex (20:01):
I would, I know it's, see, it's so ridiculous.
I'm part of the problem bysaying this.
I, I'd, I'd pay to see it.
And I think most people wouldjust outta just raw curiosity.
I, I want see this
Pat Allen (20:12):
it.
It's like a train wreck.
You don't wanna look, but youcan't look away.
It's
Alex (20:15):
Yeah.
It's exactly what it is.
It's so ridiculous that two ofthe most powerful men in the
world are gonna go fight
Pat Allen (20:22):
Toe to toe, baby That'd be interesting.
Like the winner takes all like,like the winner takes the other
person's company and be like,it's mine bitch.
Get outta here,
Alex (20:32):
yeah.
You should put majority stake ofyour companies up.
Pat Allen (20:36):
Boy, that one, whew.
Boy, let me tell you.
Alex (20:39):
And yeah, I really hope it happens.
I really do.
And Dana White, the, like the,the president of the U F C, he
says he convinced that if thisactually happens, it will be the
biggest single event.
Like the number of people thatwatch this, like more than a U S
C fight more than any SuperBowl.
More people will watch
Pat Allen (21:00):
I'd pay for it.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
I'm, I'm, yeah, I, I fell outtathe U F C a couple years ago.
Now it's, like, it's crazy now,but like, man, I would
definitely put up the button,the money for that for that
pay-per-view for sure.
Alex (21:16):
Yeah.
The interesting thing is, isthat when you do hear about
these big fights and like the,the fighters taking home, like
these life changing amount ofmoney is like 50 million, a
hundred million, and like FloydMiller or$200 million, like for
these guys,$200 million is likea rounding error.
Pat Allen (21:32):
Yeah.
They're like, ah,
Alex (21:33):
don't even like, what's this
Pat Allen (21:34):
they're gonna, they're gonna walk outta the
octagon in Vegas and go put allthat on, like black and and just
be like, let it ride baby.
Let's go.
Alex (21:43):
Yeah, there'll be some check there for'em and they'll
forget it.
Like, oh, oh, I forgot to check.
Keep it
Pat Allen (21:48):
Jesus.
Oh yeah.
This thing.
Alex (21:51):
They should put like a, like a$10 billion of their own
money.
Pat Allen (21:54):
There you go.
There you go.
Now we're talking.
Alex (21:57):
$10 billion of stock
Pat Allen (21:59):
Yeah.
there you go.
So anyway, that kinda got off ona tangent, but that was a good
one.
I like that.
The tangent was good.
So yeah, so I'm interested tosee what happens, but both.
The X thing as it starts to growand kind of get more to El and
Elon's vision, if you will.
And then the threads thing, thec because I guess it was sort of
criticized as it came out whenit launched that it wasn't as
(22:22):
feature packed.
As X was or is.
But they slowly started to addthings to it.
Now that it's, a month or so oldit's starting to come out with
some things.
So I'm interested to see wherethat kind of lands and if he
can, if the Zuck can get backthe people that have been scorn
by, by Eli's hate, Elon's hate,so it'll be interesting.
Alex (22:43):
Yeah, Facebook's on a, at least just for company
performance, it's really, ohman, it's been impressive the
last four or five months.
Pat Allen (22:51):
Yeah.
Alex (22:52):
I think he needs a win 'cause meta.
That's gotta be like one of themost expensive mistakes in like,
recent, recent history.
I mean, re you rebrand yourcompany.
Pat Allen (23:00):
Yeah.
Alex (23:00):
I don't know how many billions of dollars you pour
into this.
And it's pretty much dead.
I mean, even people withinFacebook, like high end, I think
there was a VP that recentlysaid it that all meta
initiatives are essentiallydone.
Pat Allen (23:12):
Wow.
Alex (23:13):
So,
Pat Allen (23:14):
Yeah, he needs to win, that's for sure.
Yeah.
He needs to win.
Absolutely.
A hundred percent.
Kind of switching gears here,the other thing that kind of
caught my eye, and this was moreon your side of things Alex, was
that one of our, one of ourcloud things, the public cloud,
G C P, that turned a profit thisquarter for the first time ever.
Alex (23:35):
Right.
And I guess to be clear, it, itdid actually turn a profit last
quarter earnings barely.
But yeah, we always talk about.
A w s and Azure, and sometimeswe stop there and probably most
of the time we do
Pat Allen (23:50):
Yeah, we do
Alex (23:51):
Sometimes we throw Google a bone and say, oh, and G
Pat Allen (23:54):
G C P.
That's right.
Alex (23:56):
But yeah, it gets just bring it up just because it's
not going anywhere.
I mean, at this point it's notan experiment.
They're, it's making money,albeit not as much as these
competitors, but still, even forbeing third place, the revenue
had brought in, again, thisisn't profit, but the revenue.
I had it up early.
I think it was like$7
Pat Allen (24:15):
$7 billion Yep.
Alex (24:17):
It's ridiculous.
Pat Allen (24:18):
Yep.
Seven and a half billion inquarter one of this year.
Seven and a half billion.
Alex (24:23):
that's like, just think about the companies that would
love just their entire net worthto be$7 billion.
This is.
One product
Pat Allen (24:34):
of, of Google.
Alex (24:35):
a co of Google, which some people probably don't even
realize they have
Pat Allen (24:39):
crazy.
It's crazy.
Alex (24:43):
and yeah, that it's, it's turning in the right direction.
So maybe we'll see it, now that,I mean it, it started in 2008,
which is another thing.
Just think about how much in was
Pat Allen (24:54):
How long that's been.
Yeah.
Alex (24:55):
15 years
Pat Allen (24:57):
Oh geez.
Alex (24:59):
Billion dollar losses every year.
I mean, there's a lot of moneyin this now, and I think this
last quarter was almost$400million in profit.
The previous quarter it wasunder 200.
So, I mean, not that it's gonnadouble each year, but the path
it's going to, it's gonna end upbeing yet another product that
makes billions of dollars inprofit every quarter.
Pat Allen (25:20):
You Sure?
Alex (25:21):
I think With Google in general.
I mean, Google has been prettyanother solid company the last
year, just stock performance andI think they, they got hit a
little hard with Bard and I'mstill trying to see if they can
come out like looking okay withthat
Pat Allen (25:36):
Yeah.
Alex (25:37):
if they, if they can compete with Microsoft and chat
G P T.
I think that's just gonna dowonders for everything,
including G C P.
I think G C P will end up justincreasing because of it, I
think.
Nowadays, any company justthrows out keywords, AI,
Pat Allen (25:55):
Yeah.
Alex (25:56):
that's a way to increase the buzz around them.
But they claim that the, thefeature of G C P that is giving
them the most money is liketheir generative generative AI
functionality.
And we probably have a wholeshow.
Maybe we'll go into AI a littlebit more.
'cause then we kind of focus onthings like chat, G P G and
(26:17):
language models'cause they're sopopular.
But there's, it really comesback to just looking at patterns
and being able to do somethingautomatically.
And there's some reallyinteresting things that a lot of
big companies are using G C Pfor, and at least that's what
Google is claiming is reallydriving home this increase in
usage and finally getting toprofitability margins.
(26:40):
So yeah, more power too.
I think that's only a goodthing.
If you got two companies thatare kinda, just walking away
with the win, which Microsoftand a w s were I like a third
option.
It's just more fuel to keepinnovating.
So I don't think it's a badthing.
So not too much more to say thanthat.
I don't know if you have anycomments on it.
Pat Allen (27:01):
The more competition, the better it is for all of us.
That's what I say, that's how weroll So yeah, I find that
interesting.
Like I said, just some roundnumbers.
We've mentioned seven, seven anda half billion in revenue in
this quarter which is up from5.8 billion a year ago this
time.
So that's like 27 ish percentgrowth, which is pretty, pretty
(27:26):
crazy.
So,
Alex (27:27):
Yeah, when you're talking about already that much income,
that's a, that's a big increase.
So yeah.
Pat Allen (27:32):
sure.
And they, they, they lost 706million a year ago, and then now
they have a hundred and oneninety, a hundred ninety 1
million gain this year.
So that flip is just crazy so I,I find that very interesting as
far as the numbers, go and,yeah, they always, we talk about
it all the time, big tech and,and the, usually when there's
(27:55):
layoffs, you hear about themfirst and they get the bad name
of, and again, they, they laidoff, 12,000 people back in
January and all this stuff, andthis happened.
It does seem to be that they'retrending in the right direction
and it's, I guess it's worthnoting that, the Google Cloud as
a whole, Includes infrastructureand platform as a service
pieces, right?
Which, that directly competeswith a w, SS and Azure, right?
(28:19):
And then along with googleWorkspace, which is their
competition to, Microsoft, theMicrosoft Office suites, right?
So it's got the Gmail and thedocs and the calendar and all
that kind of, stuff in there.
So, but yeah, I think it's agood piece or a good trend in
the right direction, and curiousto see if they can close that
baby brother gap that they havebetween, a w s and Azure seem to
(28:40):
be the big brother there.
Yeah.
So I'm curious to see if theyclose that gap and you'll see
what happens.
Alex (28:46):
Yep.
Until Elon starts on,
Pat Allen (28:49):
That's right.
Elon's gonna start his own cloudcalled X Cloud,
Alex (28:52):
X, X cloud, no doubt.
Pat Allen (28:55):
X Cloud.
Just do whatever you want freeon X Cloud.
Yeah, that's interesting thereas well.
So, yeah, I just thought we'dtouch on the the, the cloud
stuff that's obviously hot inour space and try to keep up
with what we have here and, andSee what what else is going on
out there.
But the other thing too that Ikind of caught my waiver wire
was the Well, first of all, Ikind of wanna give a shout out
(29:16):
to something I was a part ofthis week.
So I was part of networkingField day number 32.
So, they've had 32 of thesemeetings or, or presentation
style days or whatnot.
And it was Wednesday andThursday last week I think it
was.
But anyway I, I had a greattime.
There was some real goodpresentations there for folks at
(29:36):
from various networkingcompanies and came and gave
their spiel and we kind of gotto grill them as far as,
questions and learn about theirproduct and, that sort of thing.
And, we as quote unquotedelegates as they like to call
us, we're the, the voice of theaudience or people that are
tuning in.
So basically what networkingfield day is, it's part, it's a,
it's a part of Tech Field Day.
So Tech field day they have uh,various veins of field days,
(30:00):
right?
So networking, security, storageCloud, there's a bunch of'em
that are out there, and they're,they're at various times
throughout the year.
And then basically he TomHollingsworth is the guy he's at
@networkingnerd on Twitter or onx I guess I call, I'm gonna do
this.
Bear with me.
So go, go follow him.
He is a real good dude.
Met him at Cisco Live this year.
(30:22):
Did my first networking fieldday at Cisco Live.
And then The networking field.
Day 32 was in San Francisco, soyou, yeah, they, they fly you
out and they, they win and dyou, they fly you out, you stay
a couple days you sit throughthe presentations and then
basically you, he let you go,blog about it, tweet about it
podcast of anything and rev upthe the buzz about, so.
(30:43):
I did mine again Wednesday andThursday.
So we had, we had a light onethis time because I think there
was a major conference going on.
A lot of the network companieswere at this big conference that
was going on.
I forget, was, was it Is itDefcon this week or something in
the security space was going onthis week, and it was a, it was
a big one.
So a lot of, a lot of folkswere, a lot of networking
(31:03):
companies were represented outthere and didn't have people to,
to come to, to this one.
But we got presentations fromNile and then Anuta Networks as
well, and Broadcom.
So those were the three.
But it's, it's usually a threeday thing, Wednesday through
Friday.
But because of the shortnetworking companies that were
available that you could grab.
It was, it was a two day thing,so they were great.
They really have some, somedecent stuff, some interesting
(31:26):
stuff in that space.
Especially from Nile.
And they're kind of big claim tofame is like network as a
service.
So basically I don't wanna sayputting guys like you and I
outta business, but they're veryheavy into the automation space
and not touching, the network.
It's all done based off of, AIand, things of that nature.
And it's very they're, theyshtick is to, unclutter or, less
(31:49):
complexity in the network spaceand just let them Kind of do
network as a service, that kindof thing.
So I found it interesting to me.
I, I felt like it was a littleyoung yet.
'cause they only really dealtwith the axis layer.
Like they don't really do well.
They deal with the axis layerthey deal with like, almost like
a collapsed core kind of design,but they don't do anything on
the edge.
Nothing in the like wan space,anything like that.
(32:10):
So I'm like, well, It's trulynot network as a service at that
point.
It's more of like, Hey, here'syour ex slayer.
You don't have to put VLANs onports, shit like that.
I'm like, eh, for me to kind ofdive in, I, I need a little
more.
But, not to say that they'renot, developing that or that's
not coming.
I, I think, I think some thingsare coming from them.
They just hadn't they weren'tallowed to tell us yet.
But stay tuned for the.
(32:31):
For those announcements fromNile, they, they seem to be
doing some cool things in thatspace.
So as it kind of grows and, whoknows, we'll see what happens.
And, it kinda, network as aservice kind of takes off'cause
we have everything else now as,as a service.
So why not think about thenetwork?
So I think they're trying todrive in that in that direction.
So that was cool to, cool tohear from them.
Now we had Anuta- networks,which was again, very heavy in
(32:52):
the automation space.
Anuta ATOM is their big claim tofame, which is basically a
networking platform that, drivesthat automation, click blah,
blah, blah that sort of thing.
So Anu to was really cool.
And then we had Broadcom, whichwas, Broadcom was really into
the weeds as far as some ofthat.
It was like all the the,Broadcom being the big chip.
Set maker that they are, theywere, they were really into
those weeds and driving justinsane numbers as far as what
(33:16):
they're pushing for their, fortheir chip sets and whatnot and
that kind of thing.
So, so I found myself kind ofswimming and, kind of spacing
out a little bit'cause it was sodeep in the technical weeds.
But obviously Broadcom being ahuge player in that, in that
space.
They're, they're doing somecrazy things with their ai
platform as well.
And just Broad numbers andthroughput that they're pushing
through their chips is justinsanity.
(33:36):
So some cool things there.
But overall, I thought it wasgreat.
Networking Field day was reallyfun.
You wanna check that out, becomea delegate, whatever
techfieldday.com.
Go, go check that out.
There's a list of all thedelegates there and all of the
events that they've done overthe past it's all there.
Go, go check'em out there.
It's a wealth of knowledge outthere for various vendors that
you're interested in and kindof, go from there and, and it's,
(33:58):
it's a really cool idea.
So I, I thank Tom and those guysover at Tech Field Day for
having me, and I'm hoping tohope to be back for some of the
other security field days orcloud or Edge or just anything I
can sit in on would be, isawesome.
Alex (34:12):
Yeah, you're turning into quite the, the celebrity.
I'm seeing you on a lot ofthings,
Pat Allen (34:17):
well, I guess.
Yeah we did a podcast onnetworking as a service for Tech
Field Day, right before TechField Day last week, so I think
it was released last Tuesday.
So check that out.
From tech Field Day, they do a,they do various podcasts to kind
of drum up some talks for their,for their stuff that's coming
up.
So, go check that out.
(34:37):
And it was me with drew frompacket Pushers, which we had
Ethan on the show last year frompacket pushers.net.
Ethan Banks, great guy.
Actually, I gotta call him.
We gotta get him back on here.
He's a heck of a talk.
I, I love talking to that guy.
So Drew over there and a coupleother folks from various places.
Some there was a gentleman onthere Ali from Avar.
He, he works at Avar, so he's inthe wireless space.
(34:58):
It's just cool meeting peopleand wherever I can Can jump in
and talk and, and not make anidiot outta myself.
I'm, I'm all for it.
So So yeah, I want to throw thatout there.
Anything you want to add on yourradar?
Alex (35:11):
Well, we talked about it a little bit and as is often the
case, it surprised me how longwe were chatting when I don't
think these topics are gonnatake this long.
But we talked about Cisco U andI think it goes a little bit
hand in hand with tech news thelast.
Day to buy the old Cisco DigitalLearning Library, I think was
(35:33):
the end of May, so probablywould've made more sense to do
this as June Tech News.
But like you said, we had a lotof other things going on and it
really drives home for mebecause my subscription to the
learning library ended two weeksago.
So I'm certainly interested init.
Pat Allen (35:51):
Yeah.
Alex (35:53):
I guess let's chat about Cisco U a little bit.
'cause there's so many differentlearning platforms right now,
even within just Cisco.
It's sometimes it's difficult tounderstand what they all are and
what's different.
So I guess I'll start with thelearning library versus Cisco U.
(36:13):
Did you use the learninglibrary?
Have you used Cisco U yet?
You familiar with anything thatstands out as being radically
different?
Pat Allen (36:22):
Yeah.
Alex (36:22):
is it a rebranding?
Pat Allen (36:24):
No I think it's more than a rebrand.
I think it's good first of allcurrently where I'm at, they
give us a subscription to Udemy.
So I pick and choose what IWanna learn from, from Udemy,
again, it's, for you spoke, youspeak to some people, it's not
necessarily an apples to applescomparison, right?
I, that's not lost on me.
Udemy is fine for variousthings.
(36:45):
I personally have a subscriptionthat I pay for to Pluralsight
every month.
And I've used Pluralsight, I'veused C B T Nuggets.
I've used I n E I've paid forall of them.
It's just, I'm just I happen tobe with parole site at the
moment, but I, I think eitherone of those companies that I
mentioned are fantastic optionsthat really shine in, in all
areas.
So, Cisco U, obviously you havethe free one, right?
(37:08):
Just getting an account, you geta free, the free the tier with
it.
I'm just looking at sort of,what, what's here.
Now.
I, I logged in right before westarted the show, but it
wouldn't be bad if I, took aflyer on the the essentials
plan, I guess you wanna call it.
It's, I think it's like 1800 ayear for the year, or sys 18
Cisco Learning Credits.
(37:28):
So if you're with a company thathas extra credits to land
around, you can apply that.
There as well.
all mine are gone.
'cause I went to Cisco live thisyear, so that's not a, it's not
a thing for me.
But the thing I just noticedhere, just kind of comparing
plans and whatnot it actually,the, the essentials one only
gives you associate level, likecertification, learning paths.
(37:52):
The professional one, you haveto go to the all access, which
is six grand a year, which isFor me, for me to personally pay
that out pocket is steep.
So, it's probably not somethingI'm looking at at the moment,
especially since I'm, with Uralsite at the moment.
But again, I'm not, not marriedto them.
It's just where I'm, it's justwhere I landed for the year.
(38:12):
So it's working, I'm working myway through a bunch of courses,
both Cisco and non Cisco.
It just works for me at themoment, so, I, I see I see it
being a good thing.
And it's more of, trying to getyou to, hey, what are you
interested in, networking orcollab or data center or, cloud
and all this stuff.
So it kind of tailors your, yourinterest to, I should say it
(38:35):
tailors the, the, the offeringsto what you're interested on,
that kind of thing.
But it.
It depends.
I guess I, I'm gonna keep myaccount, I'm gonna use it for
what the free is, but, and withanything Cisco, to get anything
decent out of it, you're gonnahave to put in some, some good
old cabbage.
So I just, that's just not whereI'm at at the moment.
So that's kind of where, whereI'm at.
(38:56):
As far as the whole, I, I thinkit's a great idea.
I just, for me at the moment,I'm just kind of, it's on the
back burner, so I'll get yourthoughts.
Alex (39:03):
Yeah, yeah.
With a lot of these trainingThings that these companies do,
especially with Cisco.
It seems like it's more tailoredto big companies that are gonna
have learning credits anyway.
So if you work for a largercompany, I.
I think you're just gonna bemore likely to have learning
credits laying around, so you,it's probably worth just pinging
(39:24):
them like your, powers would be,and seeing if they got some
laying around and getting it.
As someone who used the digitallearning library and just, I
haven't logged into Cisco U yet.
But reading about it what Ithought of the digital learning
library was a lot.
I'm accustomed to it had a lotof stuff on it, but it was
(39:45):
pretty much you log into it andyou search for whatever you're
interested in learning and youhad some type of formal learning
plan, which seems prettystraightforward and works fine.
I.
Sure.
What Cisco used trying to do alittle bit differently is now
it's trying to understand yourskillsets a little bit more, and
(40:05):
AI's a buzzword.
They use this buzzword too, butit's not that complicated.
Now they're, they're trying tobe a bit proactive with
developing learning lessons foryou.
I actually think now with CiscoU, one of the first things they
do is have you Some type ofquestionnaire.
It might even be like an introtest to kind of get your level
on different technologies.
(40:26):
It really wants to know whatthings you're interested in, and
then it'll start tailoring aprogram for you.
The other thing that they'redoing again, with the learning
library, it was a, some type ofCisco written course, and that's
what you did.
Now they're with Cisco U.
They're bringing in lots ofdifferent forms of learning, so
it's not like I say I'minterested in network
(40:48):
automation, and I make thatreally clear, it's not just,
here's a network automationcourse, it takes 40 hours, do it
and you're done.
Now it'll do things as simpleas, Hey, I just noticed that
there's a network automationpodcast that's 45 minutes that
covers Cisco callus switches.
I know you have that in yournetwork.
You wanna try using, youinterested in this.
(41:10):
And It might suggest like, a newCisco press book just came out
that covers that you mentionedthat you're interested in.
So it's trying to, and even likepull snippets out of text that
are relevant to the things thatyou are interested in.
So rather than, so if you'reinterested in Kubernetes and
(41:31):
that's covered in a.
Some large network automation,Cisco press book, it might just
pull out that chapter and say,this chapter might be relevant
for you.
And I think that'll be prettyinteresting.
So seeing some of that stuffactually made me a bit more
interested in it.
I like that the idea that theyknow I'm into chat, G P t now,
(41:52):
it's not like they're gonna havea chat G p T course, but hey,
someone might throw out a Apodcast that I might be
interested in.
And it also makes it a lot morelikely that you're gonna get
newer content.
'cause it, I mean, to have a 40hour course you geter at the end
or a some type of badge is alittle more difficult than
pulling from a pretty robustcommunity and just say, Hey,
(42:13):
this stuff is relevant to you.
Go ahead and use it.
Pat Allen (42:17):
Yeah, it's interesting that they're
starting to, kind get a littlemore outside of their, Hey, this
is just videos and, stuff that,that we're gonna, stuff down
your throat kind of thing.
Alex (42:28):
Yeah, they did this with the learning library too, to a
degree, but there's an also amuch more, a much bigger focus
now on hands-on learning.
So I, I ha I did some labs onthe, the learning library, but
Now with Cisco U there'sdefinitely gonna be a lot more,
like if you're, whatevertechnology, whatever discipline,
(42:49):
you're actually gonna be on adevice doing the actual
commands.
And probably the final thingI'll mention that's a little bit
different with Cisco U, whichwill make it much more Real
world is they're actuallypartnering with I wouldn't call
their rivals but they'repartnering with other big tech
companies to give you like theend-to-end solution for
(43:12):
something.
So the, the most common, or the,the best example I can give is
that you might use Cisco's,What's a good word to put it?
Digital router.
the one that you can deploywithin a W Ss.
So they have a course on that,but that they also have a, a
same course of like implementingCisco devices in a w s and then
(43:34):
that'll actually give you the aw SS related training that gets
you up to speed on this stuffup.
In like Terraform, they have anentire crash course on
Terraform, which really hasnothing to do with Cisco.
Pat Allen (43:49):
Hmm.
Alex (43:49):
So they're bringing that in and I think there's a couple
others.
Just AWS is such a big one.
But that's interesting to knowthat the Cisco U is gonna turn
into like a Technologyuniversity, not just Cisco
branded university.
'cause I think that was one ofthe things that Cisco got some
props for, and maybe it was losta little bit recently, but I
(44:12):
always thought the CCNA is sucha good exam because yes, there's
Cisco focused stuff, but there'sso much stuff that is just not
Cisco propriety.
It makes it a better exam.
I think Cisco U is kind of goingback towards that and offering
you more real world stuff thatisn't just.
Cisco focus, which is I think isa good thing.
Pat Allen (44:33):
Yeah.
I find that interesting as well.
Like I said, I, I like the idea.
I probably will stick around tojust kind of poke, poke around
and see what I can just kind ofpick up here and there, tidbits.
But the one thing I did wannamention which is really cool,
probably a little late to thegame just'cause in this podcast,
but a couple weeks ago theymentioned that they have their
(44:53):
rev up and race toRecertification.
So basically they're giving you56 free.
Continuing education creditstowards your existing, which is
a decent chunk, right?
So
Alex (45:06):
I mean, 40 Rees an associate level, so yeah, I mean
it
Pat Allen (45:09):
sure.
It's a decent chunk.
And I'm.
Alex (45:12):
CCNA out there,
Pat Allen (45:12):
exactly.
And I'm looking at it now andI'll put this, it, it's
basically a blog that breaks itall down.
I'll put this in the in the shownotes if you want to take a peek
at it.
Like I said, it's kind of, it'skind of late'cause it was
released two weeks ago thatthey've had this.
We're just mentioning it now,but There's three courses on
there, implementing andtroubleshooting networks using
Cisco Thousand Eyes, which is 24credits.
(45:34):
Secure Cloud and NetworkAnalytics, which is 16 credits.
And then understanding CiscoNetwork Automation Essentials at
16 credits as well.
The first two that I mentioned,the Thousand Eyes and the Secure
Cloud that you must completethat learning path by August
17th.
So that's just about 17 or 18days.
And then basically the, the, thenetwork automation one does not
(45:55):
expire, and you have 365 days tojust claim your credit when you
get done with that particularThat, that particular path.
But if you add those up 24, 16and 16, that is 56 big credits
to research or to renew whateveryour heart desires.
So I've, I'm interested to seethat.
I'm actually probably gonnastart on that for, just to keep
(46:18):
'em in my back pocket, whichwould be great.
Like I said, I just, I justpassed d n a at Cisco live this
year, so I'm, I'm set for threeyears.
But it, If you can stockpile'emand, and whatever that's that's
all, more power to anybodygetting it done out there.
So, wanted to mention that theygot the 56 credits that are just
hanging out there in the windand rock and rolling.
So if you're looking for that,if you have a cert coming up,
(46:38):
That is ready to re be redone,this is a, this is a decent
path, so,
Alex (46:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, you mentioned it.
I mean, those, the certs, they,they give you, they start the
three year clock, but you, youhave three years now to kind of
accumulate these points.
So someone who has an expertlevel certification and they
need 80, 80 credits, you keepdoing these freebies, the 16
credits here a couple times ayear, and hey, you re-certified
Pat Allen (47:05):
to go.
You are good to go.
So,
Alex (47:09):
So I'll, I'll pay attention to that.
Pat Allen (47:11):
For sure.
So, like I said, anybody'ssharing that.
I'll put that in in the shownotes.
I'll put the link to their,their blog in the show notes.
But yeah, I'll probably, I'llprobably start cracking on that
this week just to get my feetwet with that.
And that was kind of it.
That was that was the big one.
We're, we're right around thehour, so I'm, I'm, this is
crazy.
We talk about this stuff for solong, so
Alex (47:30):
I know we always think that we're gonna have a 15
minute podcast.
What are we gonna talk about?
And then we're like, oh wow.
We just, in this case, 54minutes.
In the last one, I think it waslike an hour and 40 minutes.
Pat Allen (47:42):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Alex (47:44):
yeah, I don't think we need to touch on another
subject.
I think it was a good time toclose up.
Pat Allen (47:50):
For sure.
I just wanna mention that wehave a couple of guests coming
up.
We have solid dates on a coupleof guests.
One of them being a good friendof mine.
I met him out at Cisco Live forthe first time.
Mr.
Tim Bertino from the Art ofNetwork Engineering podcast.
He's coming on to hang.
So, he'll be, he'll be here in afew weeks.
Just getting the, the lastminute dates solidified.
(48:10):
And there's some There's someinvites to some other big fish
out there.
So we're just waiting for peopleto get back to us and, and
solidify some schedules.
So you wanna hang around andkeep listening, tell your
friends and we'll be, we'll beback.
And we try to, try to keep itlight, keep it fresh, keep it
new, and just keep it going.
That's that's what we're allabout here, so it's all good.
So, that's it, my man.
(48:31):
We're gonna wrap up on this one.
We're gonna put a bow on thisone.
I'm gonna send it right to Elon.
I'm gonna send it, be like, yo,listen to this and share it with
all your peeps, bro.
Alex (48:40):
that's right.
I was gonna give you anotherheads up.
We're gonna do the outro.
Don't forget it's
Pat Allen (48:45):
That's right.
It is X, Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yes.
This old man, mine of, of mineis, is, doesn't work like it
used to.
So It's too much up here now.
So.
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Hey everybody.
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Bites.
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So, Kyle is not here this week.
He's got some after hoursmaintenance, so I hope that's
going well and he's notcompletely blowing up his world,
(00:44):
which it can be scary.
We've all.
Been there so it's just Alex 90and ninth Duo, we haven't done
one of these in a while, Alex, alittle tech news action.
So it's been a couple of weeks.
We've the Cisco Live one was wasin there, the recap and the
whole deal.
So it's been a couple weekssince we have our monthly ish.
Tech news that we've been tryingto do.
So figured we would stick one inhere.
(01:06):
It seems like it's a good time.
There's a lot of there's a lotof decent news going on out
there from the tech world, so wefigured it would be good to
stick our noses in here and givean opinion or two on what is
going on.
So I guess the first thing, Ican't really, I have to change,
I have to change the intro.
I can't say Twitter anymore.
I have to say X.
Oh my God.
I, I'm like an old dog.
(01:27):
I can't learn these new tricks.
This is outrageous.
I gotta have somebody pre-recordthis for me.
This is insanity, my man, MikeCunningham, that does our intro.
Where are you at, buddy?
We're gonna have you do thisintro too.
'cause I, I can't, oh man.
That's gonna throw me all off.
I'm a creature of habit.
It's what I do.
Here's how.
Alex (01:45):
Oh, well, that, how do I follow up with that?
But yeah.
I'm doing fine.
I know I'm not a, a social mediaguy but I am really interested
to hear your take on x slashTwitter.
I think it's.
Everyone's gonna call Twitterfor at least another couple
months, I would
Pat Allen (02:03):
long time long time.
Alex (02:06):
you.
So you get
Pat Allen (02:07):
good Lord.
Alex (02:09):
Yeah, that's all I got.
I mean, Kyle's not here, so Iwon't bother talking about the
weather.
I'm ready to just get right intoit.
Pat Allen (02:16):
Let's do it.
So speaking of that, let's talkabout that Twitter rebrand to X.
Our favorite billionaire, Mr.
Elon Musk.
He all, he seems to be ineveryone's feeds these days and,
and thoughts and mouths of thebetter or worse, right?
We've all been there.
We've seen both sides of theaisle, which totally
understandable.
I found it interesting.
(02:37):
I, it, it makes sense in someaspects.
I think, I think he's got alittle bit of a.
Sort of like fly by the seat ofhis pants sort of attitude.
But again, that's why he is whohe is and one of the smartest
people on the planet.
And I'm not questioning,anything'cause look as he's
done.
And here we are talking on apodcast.
(02:58):
So like, that's my claim to fameis this podcast.
So, we can't compare apples andapples.
But but no, I, it makes sense insome aspects.
To me, I think it he.
I mean, obviously, right.
The Twitter as a, as a brand wasit's almost iconic in, in some
aspects, right?
It's, it was literally one ofthe very first to the game of
(03:19):
its kind.
And, people knew it.
The Twitter bird and the, tweetsand, all that kind of stuff.
They really carved a name outfor themselves over the last,
whatever, how many years they'vebeen around.
It's, it's been around a longtime.
And then, he comes and.
Takes it over I don't know, Iwon't wanna say somewhat hostile
way he did it, depends on whoyou talk to.
It depends on That kind ofthing.
But and then he's, okay, I'mgonna change the name.
(03:41):
And people went and like all theTwitter purists went, oh my God,
you're gonna do what?
You know, Like, mine's exploded.
And you could see the smoke froma thousand miles away.
So, some of it makes sense.
Some of it still is a littlemurky to me, but I'm interested
to see where he goes.
'cause I think he's trying torebrand it from a, you can kind
of do everything on thisplatform, not just A hundred or
(04:03):
200 and whatever the characterlimit is up to now.
So I think there's bigger plansthere, and he's just kind of,
this is the first bandaid thathe's ripped off.
So I'll, I'll stop there and getyour thoughts.
Alex (04:14):
Yeah, the biggest fear, at least from a marketing
standpoint, which is probablysome people on his team that are
probably concerned about it too,is Twitter is pretty iconic.
I mean the logo, even calling ita tweet and when you rebrand it
do you lose marketing share justbecause you're not using what
(04:38):
everyone's accustomed to.
I guess that's the big concern.
The other thing is just kind oflike meta slash Facebook did, it
didn't work out well in theircase, but they rebar themselves
meta because they wanted tokinda think distance themselves
from the original idea of justFacebook and try to introduce
everything else that thiscompany does.
(04:59):
And just like you said, they, hewants X or Twitter to be more
than just a means of sending acouple hundred characters at a
time.
I mean, he is already, and maybethey already did this before he
started on, but I mean, now youcan have pretty long videos on
Twitter.
And I don't know what elseoutside of that, that's like the
(05:20):
first thing that comes to mind.
It's just like you hearnowadays, people watching entire
videos on Twitter.
He even mentioned, I didn't lookinto this, I don't know if you
did too, but he, he was talkingabout even using X to be some
type of financial app.
And this is where I need to lookinto it a little bit more.
I don't, I don't really see howthat has, well, again, it goes
(05:44):
back to maybe why he rebrandedit, but I, I, I'm interested to
see how the platform can changeso much and.
Why not just create another app,I guess is what I was thinking.
But yeah, I'm interested to seewhere it goes.
People, he's a polarizingfigure, to say the least, and
some people have his opinions,but at this point I, I'd be hard
(06:04):
not to believe that he's gonnamake something a success.
I think that's kind of how Ifeel right now.
I mean, between PayPal andSpaceX and Neural Lynx and
Tesla.
Yeah, I just, it's hard to betagainst them and, and like I
said, I, I'm not a social mediaguy, so I'm, I could see myself
(06:26):
using X
Pat Allen (06:27):
There you go.
The door is opened.
The door is opened.
Yes.
Alex (06:31):
associated as just a social media app, even if I, do
it a little bit
Pat Allen (06:37):
That's right.
No, I think you're right.
I think it's the idea.
And and it's hard to, it's hardto Kind of go against his track
record, right?
I mean, SpaceX and PayPal was,PayPal was certainly one of, its
first of its kind, in thedigital space, right?
And LYX and, and obviouslyTesla, right?
(06:58):
I mean, Everybody.
I, I know a bunch of people thathave like, Teslas, like they
can't, I, I think people can'twait to get their hands on Tesla
stuff.
And it's just like, shout out tomy old boss, Dave Chrisman, who
like, loves his Tesla.
He can't get enough of it.
I've ridden in that, in thatthing a few times and it's
awesome.
Lemme tell you, it's great.
It's, so, it's hard to goagainst his track record Again.
He's a polarizing figure.
His personal opinions aside,like, it just, he does things
(07:21):
that make.
To me, make the world goforward.
And that's not me, apologizingfor him or whatever, he's
certainly done in the past,whatever.
But like if, again, you gottasort of take the feeling out of
it.
But if you just look at whathe's done, it's just, it's hard
to bet against him to, to see,okay, look, yeah, he's gonna let
you know, well x, he's gonna letX go, down the toilet.
I just don't, I don't see it.
(07:43):
And it's, it's hard to kinda.
I sort of, kind of see wherehe's coming from as far as like
the old Twitter brand that madesense, like the 140 characters
right.
Messages going back and forthand birds, birds tweeting, yada
yada, that kind of thing.
But now as he wants to evolvethis thing and go, again, the
financial app and, and all thethings he wants to do with it,
(08:04):
the, the old Twitter brand justdidn't make sense anymore'cause
it's a lot more robust than whatit was originally, kind of used
for.
Alex (08:11):
Right.
Yeah.
So you get the good and the badwith marketing?
Yeah.
I mean, Twitter is iconic.
Everyone understands what it is,but therein lies the issue.
If you're gonna try to make itso much more than what people
are accustomed to when theythink of Twitter, maybe it makes
sense to rebrand.
Pat Allen (08:30):
Right.
Yeah, that was interesting aswell.
And I don't know, you have thefinal thought there, or.
Alex (08:36):
I, I don't think there's anything more to say with X
other than I'm one of thosepeople that think it's gonna be
successful.
But I did wanna mention that hedoes seem to have a liking for
X.
'cause the other big news inJuly was he announced X ai.
So I don't know if you've beenReading at all about that.
(08:59):
But for those of you that don'tknow, and maybe it's not obvious
'cause we talk about his trackrecord.
He is one of the co-founders ofOpenAI, which made chat, G P T,
which was, has been our technews for everything.
He, I think he left the companyor left any affiliation with it
in 2018.
So, I mean, not to say that hehad the reason for its success.
(09:20):
But just the idea that he waspart of it.
So now he's starting his owncompany X ai, so that's
interesting.
Don't know what he'll end updoing with that, but has me
interested for sure.
I know his biggest concern withOpenAI and the reason that he
claimed to have left was, he'sa.
(09:42):
At least he claims to be afreedom of speech, like, freedom
Fighter kind of thing, where he,he fights for freedom of speech
and I guess he thought that openAI and chat G P t, the danger
with them is, is that theymoderated too much.
And this is such a gray area.
I mean, what, what do youmoderate?
(10:03):
mean, but if you get to thepoint where something can I mean
we talked so much about whatChap, G P T and this just AI
revolution, what it can do if itwas biased in any way, how
simple it could be to kind ofjust influence just about
anything.
And I know that was Elon'sconcern, is this, if you
(10:25):
censored too much.
You're gonna get to the pointwhere biases come into play.
And so I know that's one of hisgoals with whatever AI platforms
he starts right now is reallylimit censorship, which is gonna
come up to some interestingstuff.
'cause I think it's gonna getbashed pretty hard.
Pat Allen (10:44):
Sure.
Alex (10:44):
I think there's gonna be people that say like, Hey I can
find a lot of hate speech prettyeasily here.
I can Write new manifestmanifestos or K, K, K, I can
build a bomb.
So anyway, I'm interested to seewhere that goes.
So,
Pat Allen (11:00):
So I could smell the hate
Alex (11:01):
more it.
Pat Allen (11:03):
smell it.
It's coming that, that train'snever late.
Anyway I find that interest.
That was the first time I heardthat.
I did not know.
X I was a thing.
So I'm, I'm interested now thatyou kind of put that on the
table.
I'm interested to see how thatgoes as well, because, we all
kind of talk in this censorshipgame.
That seems to be, in today'smajor news outlets and various
(11:25):
social media platforms.
But it, it's very interesting tosee how that's gonna, play out.
Yeah.
There again, you start censoringthings.
Then it's like, all right, well,who's censoring it and what
ideology do they have?
Does the bias come into play?
And things of that nature.
And then, all of a sudden the,the pendulum swings the other
way.
And then you have the other sidecensoring.
And then people go, oh, why arewe get censored?
(11:46):
Well, it's like, you open thedoor to this when you people
were doing the sensory, thatthat just, how about Anyway.
So yeah, I, I find thatinteresting to see how that's
gonna go.
And I, I, I feel like and Iguess this is my, my final thing
on the X rebrand, but it'soriginally when Elon took over,
(12:07):
it was very, there was like ashaky time there because he was
not sure, well, I should say he,he, he was very sure but the
like advertisers were sort ofbacking out.
That kind of thing.
Again, personal bias comes intoplay.
You don't like Elon and you'regonna, take your ball and go
home, which is fine.
That's your right to do.
So, but now he's hired Linda, isit Y Carino?
(12:28):
I think that's how, I thinkthat's how you pronounce her
last name.
Alex (12:30):
was it the N B C
Pat Allen (12:31):
She was at N B C exec.
Yeah.
Now she's the c e o of ofTwitter, which I guess is sort
of calm some of the advertisingfears.
So I'm, I'm guessing some of theadvertising is back in the game,
I'll be interested to see howthat sort of plays out and how
she fits into all this.
And but yeah, it's supposed tobe this whole audio, video
messaging, payments, banking,global marketplace, kind of,
(12:55):
thing that he's got, that hisvision has got.
So I think he's got the vision.
I just think that he hasn't soldthe vision yet.
For better or for worse, he justhasn't sold it or people aren't
quite buying it.
But I don't know if that's, ifthey will eventually and get
over that.
I hate Elon all the time.
Nonsense, or if they're justgoing to use something else.
(13:16):
'cause to me, like all thesesocial medias are just getting
outta hand.
Like I can't do another socialmedia.
It just drives me crazy that Ihave to spin up another one
because everyone flocks to thesenew places.
I'm like, I don't have time forthis.
This is insane.
Alex (13:29):
Yeah.
And maybe that's what he istrying to do.
He is just like, you have oneapp that does everything.
Because I mean, even, you caneven make the argument that
Facebook did the same thing.
I mean, they, they, they ownInstagram and so rather than
kind of blending them bothtogether and having'em do both,
there's two separate apps now.
They have threads.
Again, I'm not a social mediaguy, but that's another thing
that came out big in July.
'cause it was like the, theTwitter killer.
(13:52):
So I guess shifting over that
Pat Allen (13:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Alex (13:55):
talk about
Pat Allen (13:55):
Good segue.
Alex (13:57):
Any chance you downloaded it, tried it your thoughts on
it?
Is it just yet another thing todo?
Pat Allen (14:05):
I think it is.
I really do.
I downloaded it the first daythat it was able to come out,
and I looked at it maybe twicesince then, and I downloaded it
like two weeks ago.
Which I think is most people, Ithink what they, I think what
most, again, society's like ashiny object, right?
Like, oh yeah, there's a new toyto play with.
Go.
And then they, they all did it.
(14:26):
So they had this massive rush oflike all these downloads in the
first like 48 hours or whateverit was, and then people didn't
touch it again.
Like they had a massive dropoff.
So, it, it looks very similar toTWI to X.
I'm gonna call it Twitter.
I swear I, I'll, I'll, I'll fixthat.
It looks very similar to, to X.
It just, it's very, it's veryodd to me that they started to
(14:49):
play in that space.
It just, it seemed like X wasthe winner in that particular
form of social media.
I don't know what they weretrying to kind of get at or
whatnot, but it just seemed to,it, it, it was hot for.
A couple of days.
And like I said, I haven'tlooked at it since, and it just,
it, it seems to be, I am mostfolks where they basically like
(15:11):
I said, they signed up and thenthey lost like over 50% of its
users, that kind of thing.
So it's, it's taken a dive.
So I don't know if they haveplans to sort of temper that,
bring it back, something of thatnature.
We'll see.
Alex (15:28):
Well, again, as someone who's not a social media guy,
what exactly is it?
Pat Allen (15:32):
Yeah.
Alex (15:33):
people.
I know you said it's like a, aTwitter or X replacement.
Is that really, it just kindalike it's a short snippets and
that's it.
So as opposed to people posting20 images and five paragraphs,
it's like you get X amount ofcharacters
Pat Allen (15:51):
Yeah.
It's basically, it was basicallydeemed to be a Twitter Killer.
But it's I, two days ago was theZuck, as I like to call him, He
came out and said that the, thatit's lost more than half its
users.
So, it was like a hundredmillion users in the first, like
five or whatever day, five daysor a week, whatever it was And
(16:12):
then all the, now they're like,they're, they're down to 50
million I guess.
What this says is true.
It's lost more than half.
So, it's interesting.
But yeah, it's basically that itliterally looks almost identical
to Twitter.
At least the last time I loggedin.
It's very Twitter esque and it'sit just feels very, even the
logo is kind of weird.
It's like a weird, like atsymbol kind of thing.
(16:33):
So I, I mean, I guess it makessense, but It is very Twitter
esque.
I'm, I'm looking at it rightnow, live.
So it's very, yeah, it's,there's not a whole lot to it.
It's very, Twitter esque and Idon't know the character limits
or if there is one.
But anybody, if anybody knowsthat, let us, let us know.
Hit me up.
But it, it looks exactly likeTwitter and some people do it.
(16:55):
And as I get notifications'causeas people join, Threads.
I get notifications like, Hey,you file this person on
Facebook, and they're now onthreads.
And I'm like, great.
You know, That kind of, I justswipe and get rid of the
notification.
But but yeah, it, it's veryTwitter esque.
And I just thought maybe, Iguess did you think Zuckerberg
(17:16):
was just kind of like, Hey,let's spin this up and have
those people that we've, thathave, have been scorned by Eli's
takeover of Twitter will come tous?
it work.
I, I don't know what his thoughtwas.
That'd be interesting to seewhat kind of changes they make
to kind of bait some of thosefolks back into the pool.
Alex (17:35):
Well, for me, and maybe this isn't the case for
everyone, I could, I had no ideathis was even coming.
So, I mean, this isn't somethingyou just develop in a, a week.
So, when I first heard it Ididn't realize that it was gonna
be such a big thing, and I alsothought it was half a joke
because the thing I had beenhearing about Musk and Zuck is
(18:00):
is the.
The potential U F C
Pat Allen (18:03):
Oh, they're gonna cage fight.
That's right.
I forgot all about that.
Why didn't I lead with that?
Dammit,
Alex (18:09):
so there's a part of me that thought this was just a
practical joke, like he is justlike, ah, I'm just coming out my
own version of Twitter.
And then I was like, oh, it's areal thing.
Pat Allen (18:16):
That's funny.
Yeah, that's right.
They were gonna cage fight and Iguess like Zuckerberg's like
training with like BrazilianJuujitsu guys and like, oh, it's
wild.
Alex (18:25):
he, is big in it.
Pat Allen (18:26):
all about that.
Alex (18:27):
I mean, that's a bores line on whether it's tech news
or not.
But yeah, his journey tobecoming an, like a pretty
respectable fighter and gettingin shape is getting pretty well
documented at this point.
Like, he's in really good shapenow, and yeah, there's quite a
bit of footage with him andseems like he is taking his.
(18:47):
This is a lot more serious whereMusk is just, I think he went on
record too, saying if thishappens, which he seems to be
okay with the idea, he's notlosing any weight for it.
Pat Allen (18:57):
Yeah.
That's funny.
Alex (18:59):
he's actually a Elon's a, he's not a small dude.
He's like, he's 6, 2, 3.
He's, he is not a small guy andZuckerberg is so normally U s c
fights.
There's
Pat Allen (19:09):
They're pretty jacked.
Yeah.
Alex (19:12):
I think Musk is like 70, 75 pounds heavier.
So that's why he said, I'm notlosing any weight for this.
Like you guys are gonna have toaccept that I'm 70 pounds
heavier than
Pat Allen (19:22):
yeah.
.Yeah.
It is what it is.
Yeah, that's, I wanna know whereElon gets his time from to, to
actually, like, if he's gonna doit, like where, how's he gonna
train?
That guy doesn't sleep as it is.
Like I don't understand what.
Alex (19:34):
I, I don't think he will.
I think he'll just, he'll justshow up and it, it'll probably
be the most entertaining thingwe've ever seen.
Pat Allen (19:44):
He'll probably like drive, he'll drive the new Tesla
that nobody's ever seen beforeto the octagon.
He'll drive right down, rightdown into the arena to it like,
Alex (19:52):
the shorts and gloves got the X brand on it.
Pat Allen (19:56):
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, I, i, I'd see that, I'dtake a look
Alex (20:01):
I would, I know it's, see, it's so ridiculous.
I'm part of the problem bysaying this.
I, I'd, I'd pay to see it.
And I think most people wouldjust outta just raw curiosity.
I, I want see this
Pat Allen (20:12):
it.
It's like a train wreck.
You don't wanna look, but youcan't look away.
It's
Alex (20:15):
Yeah.
It's exactly what it is.
It's so ridiculous that two ofthe most powerful men in the
world are gonna go fight
Pat Allen (20:22):
Toe to toe, baby That'd be interesting.
Like the winner takes all like,like the winner takes the other
person's company and be like,it's mine bitch.
Get outta here,
Alex (20:32):
yeah.
You should put majority stake ofyour companies up.
Pat Allen (20:36):
Boy, that one, whew.
Boy, let me tell you.
Alex (20:39):
And yeah, I really hope it happens.
I really do.
And Dana White, the, like the,the president of the U F C, he
says he convinced that if thisactually happens, it will be the
biggest single event.
Like the number of people thatwatch this, like more than a U S
C fight more than any SuperBowl.
More people will watch
Pat Allen (21:00):
I'd pay for it.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
I'm, I'm, yeah, I, I fell outtathe U F C a couple years ago.
Now it's, like, it's crazy now,but like, man, I would
definitely put up the button,the money for that for that
pay-per-view for sure.
Alex (21:16):
Yeah.
The interesting thing is, isthat when you do hear about
these big fights and like the,the fighters taking home, like
these life changing amount ofmoney is like 50 million, a
hundred million, and like FloydMiller or$200 million, like for
these guys,$200 million is likea rounding error.
Pat Allen (21:32):
Yeah.
They're like, ah,
Alex (21:33):
don't even like, what's this
Pat Allen (21:34):
they're gonna, they're gonna walk outta the
octagon in Vegas and go put allthat on, like black and and just
be like, let it ride baby.
Let's go.
Alex (21:43):
Yeah, there'll be some check there for'em and they'll
forget it.
Like, oh, oh, I forgot to check.
Keep it
Pat Allen (21:48):
Jesus.
Oh yeah.
This thing.
Alex (21:51):
They should put like a, like a$10 billion of their own
money.
Pat Allen (21:54):
There you go.
There you go.
Now we're talking.
Alex (21:57):
$10 billion of stock
Pat Allen (21:59):
Yeah.
there you go.
So anyway, that kinda got off ona tangent, but that was a good
one.
I like that.
The tangent was good.
So yeah, so I'm interested tosee what happens, but both.
The X thing as it starts to growand kind of get more to El and
Elon's vision, if you will.
And then the threads thing, thec because I guess it was sort of
criticized as it came out whenit launched that it wasn't as
(22:22):
feature packed.
As X was or is.
But they slowly started to addthings to it.
Now that it's, a month or so oldit's starting to come out with
some things.
So I'm interested to see wherethat kind of lands and if he
can, if the Zuck can get backthe people that have been scorn
by, by Eli's hate, Elon's hate,so it'll be interesting.
Alex (22:43):
Yeah, Facebook's on a, at least just for company
performance, it's really, ohman, it's been impressive the
last four or five months.
Pat Allen (22:51):
Yeah.
Alex (22:52):
I think he needs a win 'cause meta.
That's gotta be like one of themost expensive mistakes in like,
recent, recent history.
I mean, re you rebrand yourcompany.
Pat Allen (23:00):
Yeah.
Alex (23:00):
I don't know how many billions of dollars you pour
into this.
And it's pretty much dead.
I mean, even people withinFacebook, like high end, I think
there was a VP that recentlysaid it that all meta
initiatives are essentiallydone.
Pat Allen (23:12):
Wow.
Alex (23:13):
So,
Pat Allen (23:14):
Yeah, he needs to win, that's for sure.
Yeah.
He needs to win.
Absolutely.
A hundred percent.
Kind of switching gears here,the other thing that kind of
caught my eye, and this was moreon your side of things Alex, was
that one of our, one of ourcloud things, the public cloud,
G C P, that turned a profit thisquarter for the first time ever.
Alex (23:35):
Right.
And I guess to be clear, it, itdid actually turn a profit last
quarter earnings barely.
But yeah, we always talk about.
A w s and Azure, and sometimeswe stop there and probably most
of the time we do
Pat Allen (23:50):
Yeah, we do
Alex (23:51):
Sometimes we throw Google a bone and say, oh, and G
Pat Allen (23:54):
G C P.
That's right.
Alex (23:56):
But yeah, it gets just bring it up just because it's
not going anywhere.
I mean, at this point it's notan experiment.
They're, it's making money,albeit not as much as these
competitors, but still, even forbeing third place, the revenue
had brought in, again, thisisn't profit, but the revenue.
I had it up early.
I think it was like$7
Pat Allen (24:15):
$7 billion Yep.
Alex (24:17):
It's ridiculous.
Pat Allen (24:18):
Yep.
Seven and a half billion inquarter one of this year.
Seven and a half billion.
Alex (24:23):
that's like, just think about the companies that would
love just their entire net worthto be$7 billion.
This is.
One product
Pat Allen (24:34):
of, of Google.
Alex (24:35):
a co of Google, which some people probably don't even
realize they have
Pat Allen (24:39):
crazy.
It's crazy.
Alex (24:43):
and yeah, that it's, it's turning in the right direction.
So maybe we'll see it, now that,I mean it, it started in 2008,
which is another thing.
Just think about how much in was
Pat Allen (24:54):
How long that's been.
Yeah.
Alex (24:55):
15 years
Pat Allen (24:57):
Oh geez.
Alex (24:59):
Billion dollar losses every year.
I mean, there's a lot of moneyin this now, and I think this
last quarter was almost$400million in profit.
The previous quarter it wasunder 200.
So, I mean, not that it's gonnadouble each year, but the path
it's going to, it's gonna end upbeing yet another product that
makes billions of dollars inprofit every quarter.
Pat Allen (25:20):
You Sure?
Alex (25:21):
I think With Google in general.
I mean, Google has been prettyanother solid company the last
year, just stock performance andI think they, they got hit a
little hard with Bard and I'mstill trying to see if they can
come out like looking okay withthat
Pat Allen (25:36):
Yeah.
Alex (25:37):
if they, if they can compete with Microsoft and chat
G P T.
I think that's just gonna dowonders for everything,
including G C P.
I think G C P will end up justincreasing because of it, I
think.
Nowadays, any company justthrows out keywords, AI,
Pat Allen (25:55):
Yeah.
Alex (25:56):
that's a way to increase the buzz around them.
But they claim that the, thefeature of G C P that is giving
them the most money is liketheir generative generative AI
functionality.
And we probably have a wholeshow.
Maybe we'll go into AI a littlebit more.
'cause then we kind of focus onthings like chat, G P G and
(26:17):
language models'cause they're sopopular.
But there's, it really comesback to just looking at patterns
and being able to do somethingautomatically.
And there's some reallyinteresting things that a lot of
big companies are using G C Pfor, and at least that's what
Google is claiming is reallydriving home this increase in
usage and finally getting toprofitability margins.
(26:40):
So yeah, more power too.
I think that's only a goodthing.
If you got two companies thatare kinda, just walking away
with the win, which Microsoftand a w s were I like a third
option.
It's just more fuel to keepinnovating.
So I don't think it's a badthing.
So not too much more to say thanthat.
I don't know if you have anycomments on it.
Pat Allen (27:01):
The more competition, the better it is for all of us.
That's what I say, that's how weroll So yeah, I find that
interesting.
Like I said, just some roundnumbers.
We've mentioned seven, seven anda half billion in revenue in
this quarter which is up from5.8 billion a year ago this
time.
So that's like 27 ish percentgrowth, which is pretty, pretty
(27:26):
crazy.
So,
Alex (27:27):
Yeah, when you're talking about already that much income,
that's a, that's a big increase.
So yeah.
Pat Allen (27:32):
sure.
And they, they, they lost 706million a year ago, and then now
they have a hundred and oneninety, a hundred ninety 1
million gain this year.
So that flip is just crazy so I,I find that very interesting as
far as the numbers, go and,yeah, they always, we talk about
it all the time, big tech and,and the, usually when there's
(27:55):
layoffs, you hear about themfirst and they get the bad name
of, and again, they, they laidoff, 12,000 people back in
January and all this stuff, andthis happened.
It does seem to be that they'retrending in the right direction
and it's, I guess it's worthnoting that, the Google Cloud as
a whole, Includes infrastructureand platform as a service
pieces, right?
Which, that directly competeswith a w, SS and Azure, right?
(28:19):
And then along with googleWorkspace, which is their
competition to, Microsoft, theMicrosoft Office suites, right?
So it's got the Gmail and thedocs and the calendar and all
that kind of, stuff in there.
So, but yeah, I think it's agood piece or a good trend in
the right direction, and curiousto see if they can close that
baby brother gap that they havebetween, a w s and Azure seem to
(28:40):
be the big brother there.
Yeah.
So I'm curious to see if theyclose that gap and you'll see
what happens.
Alex (28:46):
Yep.
Until Elon starts on,
Pat Allen (28:49):
That's right.
Elon's gonna start his own cloudcalled X Cloud,
Alex (28:52):
X, X cloud, no doubt.
Pat Allen (28:55):
X Cloud.
Just do whatever you want freeon X Cloud.
Yeah, that's interesting thereas well.
So, yeah, I just thought we'dtouch on the the, the cloud
stuff that's obviously hot inour space and try to keep up
with what we have here and, andSee what what else is going on
out there.
But the other thing too that Ikind of caught my waiver wire
was the Well, first of all, Ikind of wanna give a shout out
(29:16):
to something I was a part ofthis week.
So I was part of networkingField day number 32.
So, they've had 32 of thesemeetings or, or presentation
style days or whatnot.
And it was Wednesday andThursday last week I think it
was.
But anyway I, I had a greattime.
There was some real goodpresentations there for folks at
(29:36):
from various networkingcompanies and came and gave
their spiel and we kind of gotto grill them as far as,
questions and learn about theirproduct and, that sort of thing.
And, we as quote unquotedelegates as they like to call
us, we're the, the voice of theaudience or people that are
tuning in.
So basically what networkingfield day is, it's part, it's a,
it's a part of Tech Field Day.
So Tech field day they have uh,various veins of field days,
(30:00):
right?
So networking, security, storageCloud, there's a bunch of'em
that are out there, and they're,they're at various times
throughout the year.
And then basically he TomHollingsworth is the guy he's at
@networkingnerd on Twitter or onx I guess I call, I'm gonna do
this.
Bear with me.
So go, go follow him.
He is a real good dude.
Met him at Cisco Live this year.
(30:22):
Did my first networking fieldday at Cisco Live.
And then The networking field.
Day 32 was in San Francisco, soyou, yeah, they, they fly you
out and they, they win and dyou, they fly you out, you stay
a couple days you sit throughthe presentations and then
basically you, he let you go,blog about it, tweet about it
podcast of anything and rev upthe the buzz about, so.
(30:43):
I did mine again Wednesday andThursday.
So we had, we had a light onethis time because I think there
was a major conference going on.
A lot of the network companieswere at this big conference that
was going on.
I forget, was, was it Is itDefcon this week or something in
the security space was going onthis week, and it was a, it was
a big one.
So a lot of, a lot of folkswere, a lot of networking
(31:03):
companies were represented outthere and didn't have people to,
to come to, to this one.
But we got presentations fromNile and then Anuta Networks as
well, and Broadcom.
So those were the three.
But it's, it's usually a threeday thing, Wednesday through
Friday.
But because of the shortnetworking companies that were
available that you could grab.
It was, it was a two day thing,so they were great.
They really have some, somedecent stuff, some interesting
(31:26):
stuff in that space.
Especially from Nile.
And they're kind of big claim tofame is like network as a
service.
So basically I don't wanna sayputting guys like you and I
outta business, but they're veryheavy into the automation space
and not touching, the network.
It's all done based off of, AIand, things of that nature.
And it's very they're, theyshtick is to, unclutter or, less
(31:49):
complexity in the network spaceand just let them Kind of do
network as a service, that kindof thing.
So I found it interesting to me.
I, I felt like it was a littleyoung yet.
'cause they only really dealtwith the axis layer.
Like they don't really do well.
They deal with the axis layerthey deal with like, almost like
a collapsed core kind of design,but they don't do anything on
the edge.
Nothing in the like wan space,anything like that.
(32:10):
So I'm like, well, It's trulynot network as a service at that
point.
It's more of like, Hey, here'syour ex slayer.
You don't have to put VLANs onports, shit like that.
I'm like, eh, for me to kind ofdive in, I, I need a little
more.
But, not to say that they'renot, developing that or that's
not coming.
I, I think, I think some thingsare coming from them.
They just hadn't they weren'tallowed to tell us yet.
But stay tuned for the.
(32:31):
For those announcements fromNile, they, they seem to be
doing some cool things in thatspace.
So as it kind of grows and, whoknows, we'll see what happens.
And, it kinda, network as aservice kind of takes off'cause
we have everything else now as,as a service.
So why not think about thenetwork?
So I think they're trying todrive in that in that direction.
So that was cool to, cool tohear from them.
Now we had Anuta- networks,which was again, very heavy in
(32:52):
the automation space.
Anuta ATOM is their big claim tofame, which is basically a
networking platform that, drivesthat automation, click blah,
blah, blah that sort of thing.
So Anu to was really cool.
And then we had Broadcom, whichwas, Broadcom was really into
the weeds as far as some ofthat.
It was like all the the,Broadcom being the big chip.
Set maker that they are, theywere, they were really into
those weeds and driving justinsane numbers as far as what
(33:16):
they're pushing for their, fortheir chip sets and whatnot and
that kind of thing.
So, so I found myself kind ofswimming and, kind of spacing
out a little bit'cause it was sodeep in the technical weeds.
But obviously Broadcom being ahuge player in that, in that
space.
They're, they're doing somecrazy things with their ai
platform as well.
And just Broad numbers andthroughput that they're pushing
through their chips is justinsanity.
(33:36):
So some cool things there.
But overall, I thought it wasgreat.
Networking Field day was reallyfun.
You wanna check that out, becomea delegate, whatever
techfieldday.com.
Go, go check that out.
There's a list of all thedelegates there and all of the
events that they've done overthe past it's all there.
Go, go check'em out there.
It's a wealth of knowledge outthere for various vendors that
you're interested in and kindof, go from there and, and it's,
(33:58):
it's a really cool idea.
So I, I thank Tom and those guysover at Tech Field Day for
having me, and I'm hoping tohope to be back for some of the
other security field days orcloud or Edge or just anything I
can sit in on would be, isawesome.
Alex (34:12):
Yeah, you're turning into quite the, the celebrity.
I'm seeing you on a lot ofthings,
Pat Allen (34:17):
well, I guess.
Yeah we did a podcast onnetworking as a service for Tech
Field Day, right before TechField Day last week, so I think
it was released last Tuesday.
So check that out.
From tech Field Day, they do a,they do various podcasts to kind
of drum up some talks for their,for their stuff that's coming
up.
So, go check that out.
(34:37):
And it was me with drew frompacket Pushers, which we had
Ethan on the show last year frompacket pushers.net.
Ethan Banks, great guy.
Actually, I gotta call him.
We gotta get him back on here.
He's a heck of a talk.
I, I love talking to that guy.
So Drew over there and a coupleother folks from various places.
Some there was a gentleman onthere Ali from Avar.
He, he works at Avar, so he's inthe wireless space.
(34:58):
It's just cool meeting peopleand wherever I can Can jump in
and talk and, and not make anidiot outta myself.
I'm, I'm all for it.
So So yeah, I want to throw thatout there.
Anything you want to add on yourradar?
Alex (35:11):
Well, we talked about it a little bit and as is often the
case, it surprised me how longwe were chatting when I don't
think these topics are gonnatake this long.
But we talked about Cisco U andI think it goes a little bit
hand in hand with tech news thelast.
Day to buy the old Cisco DigitalLearning Library, I think was
(35:33):
the end of May, so probablywould've made more sense to do
this as June Tech News.
But like you said, we had a lotof other things going on and it
really drives home for mebecause my subscription to the
learning library ended two weeksago.
So I'm certainly interested init.
Pat Allen (35:51):
Yeah.
Alex (35:53):
I guess let's chat about Cisco U a little bit.
'cause there's so many differentlearning platforms right now,
even within just Cisco.
It's sometimes it's difficult tounderstand what they all are and
what's different.
So I guess I'll start with thelearning library versus Cisco U.
(36:13):
Did you use the learninglibrary?
Have you used Cisco U yet?
You familiar with anything thatstands out as being radically
different?
Pat Allen (36:22):
Yeah.
Alex (36:22):
is it a rebranding?
Pat Allen (36:24):
No I think it's more than a rebrand.
I think it's good first of allcurrently where I'm at, they
give us a subscription to Udemy.
So I pick and choose what IWanna learn from, from Udemy,
again, it's, for you spoke, youspeak to some people, it's not
necessarily an apples to applescomparison, right?
I, that's not lost on me.
Udemy is fine for variousthings.
(36:45):
I personally have a subscriptionthat I pay for to Pluralsight
every month.
And I've used Pluralsight, I'veused C B T Nuggets.
I've used I n E I've paid forall of them.
It's just, I'm just I happen tobe with parole site at the
moment, but I, I think eitherone of those companies that I
mentioned are fantastic optionsthat really shine in, in all
areas.
So, Cisco U, obviously you havethe free one, right?
(37:08):
Just getting an account, you geta free, the free the tier with
it.
I'm just looking at sort of,what, what's here.
Now.
I, I logged in right before westarted the show, but it
wouldn't be bad if I, took aflyer on the the essentials
plan, I guess you wanna call it.
It's, I think it's like 1800 ayear for the year, or sys 18
Cisco Learning Credits.
(37:28):
So if you're with a company thathas extra credits to land
around, you can apply that.
There as well.
all mine are gone.
'cause I went to Cisco live thisyear, so that's not a, it's not
a thing for me.
But the thing I just noticedhere, just kind of comparing
plans and whatnot it actually,the, the essentials one only
gives you associate level, likecertification, learning paths.
(37:52):
The professional one, you haveto go to the all access, which
is six grand a year, which isFor me, for me to personally pay
that out pocket is steep.
So, it's probably not somethingI'm looking at at the moment,
especially since I'm, with Uralsite at the moment.
But again, I'm not, not marriedto them.
It's just where I'm, it's justwhere I landed for the year.
(38:12):
So it's working, I'm working myway through a bunch of courses,
both Cisco and non Cisco.
It just works for me at themoment, so, I, I see I see it
being a good thing.
And it's more of, trying to getyou to, hey, what are you
interested in, networking orcollab or data center or, cloud
and all this stuff.
So it kind of tailors your, yourinterest to, I should say it
(38:35):
tailors the, the, the offeringsto what you're interested on,
that kind of thing.
But it.
It depends.
I guess I, I'm gonna keep myaccount, I'm gonna use it for
what the free is, but, and withanything Cisco, to get anything
decent out of it, you're gonnahave to put in some, some good
old cabbage.
So I just, that's just not whereI'm at at the moment.
So that's kind of where, whereI'm at.
(38:56):
As far as the whole, I, I thinkit's a great idea.
I just, for me at the moment,I'm just kind of, it's on the
back burner, so I'll get yourthoughts.
Alex (39:03):
Yeah, yeah.
With a lot of these trainingThings that these companies do,
especially with Cisco.
It seems like it's more tailoredto big companies that are gonna
have learning credits anyway.
So if you work for a largercompany, I.
I think you're just gonna bemore likely to have learning
credits laying around, so you,it's probably worth just pinging
(39:24):
them like your, powers would be,and seeing if they got some
laying around and getting it.
As someone who used the digitallearning library and just, I
haven't logged into Cisco U yet.
But reading about it what Ithought of the digital learning
library was a lot.
I'm accustomed to it had a lotof stuff on it, but it was
(39:45):
pretty much you log into it andyou search for whatever you're
interested in learning and youhad some type of formal learning
plan, which seems prettystraightforward and works fine.
I.
Sure.
What Cisco used trying to do alittle bit differently is now
it's trying to understand yourskillsets a little bit more, and
(40:05):
AI's a buzzword.
They use this buzzword too, butit's not that complicated.
Now they're, they're trying tobe a bit proactive with
developing learning lessons foryou.
I actually think now with CiscoU, one of the first things they
do is have you Some type ofquestionnaire.
It might even be like an introtest to kind of get your level
on different technologies.
(40:26):
It really wants to know whatthings you're interested in, and
then it'll start tailoring aprogram for you.
The other thing that they'redoing again, with the learning
library, it was a, some type ofCisco written course, and that's
what you did.
Now they're with Cisco U.
They're bringing in lots ofdifferent forms of learning, so
it's not like I say I'minterested in network
(40:48):
automation, and I make thatreally clear, it's not just,
here's a network automationcourse, it takes 40 hours, do it
and you're done.
Now it'll do things as simpleas, Hey, I just noticed that
there's a network automationpodcast that's 45 minutes that
covers Cisco callus switches.
I know you have that in yournetwork.
You wanna try using, youinterested in this.
(41:10):
And It might suggest like, a newCisco press book just came out
that covers that you mentionedthat you're interested in.
So it's trying to, and even likepull snippets out of text that
are relevant to the things thatyou are interested in.
So rather than, so if you'reinterested in Kubernetes and
(41:31):
that's covered in a.
Some large network automation,Cisco press book, it might just
pull out that chapter and say,this chapter might be relevant
for you.
And I think that'll be prettyinteresting.
So seeing some of that stuffactually made me a bit more
interested in it.
I like that the idea that theyknow I'm into chat, G P t now,
(41:52):
it's not like they're gonna havea chat G p T course, but hey,
someone might throw out a Apodcast that I might be
interested in.
And it also makes it a lot morelikely that you're gonna get
newer content.
'cause it, I mean, to have a 40hour course you geter at the end
or a some type of badge is alittle more difficult than
pulling from a pretty robustcommunity and just say, Hey,
(42:13):
this stuff is relevant to you.
Go ahead and use it.
Pat Allen (42:17):
Yeah, it's interesting that they're
starting to, kind get a littlemore outside of their, Hey, this
is just videos and, stuff that,that we're gonna, stuff down
your throat kind of thing.
Alex (42:28):
Yeah, they did this with the learning library too, to a
degree, but there's an also amuch more, a much bigger focus
now on hands-on learning.
So I, I ha I did some labs onthe, the learning library, but
Now with Cisco U there'sdefinitely gonna be a lot more,
like if you're, whatevertechnology, whatever discipline,
(42:49):
you're actually gonna be on adevice doing the actual
commands.
And probably the final thingI'll mention that's a little bit
different with Cisco U, whichwill make it much more Real
world is they're actuallypartnering with I wouldn't call
their rivals but they'repartnering with other big tech
companies to give you like theend-to-end solution for
(43:12):
something.
So the, the most common, or the,the best example I can give is
that you might use Cisco's,What's a good word to put it?
Digital router.
the one that you can deploywithin a W Ss.
So they have a course on that,but that they also have a, a
same course of like implementingCisco devices in a w s and then
(43:34):
that'll actually give you the aw SS related training that gets
you up to speed on this stuffup.
In like Terraform, they have anentire crash course on
Terraform, which really hasnothing to do with Cisco.
Pat Allen (43:49):
Hmm.
Alex (43:49):
So they're bringing that in and I think there's a couple
others.
Just AWS is such a big one.
But that's interesting to knowthat the Cisco U is gonna turn
into like a Technologyuniversity, not just Cisco
branded university.
'cause I think that was one ofthe things that Cisco got some
props for, and maybe it was losta little bit recently, but I
(44:12):
always thought the CCNA is sucha good exam because yes, there's
Cisco focused stuff, but there'sso much stuff that is just not
Cisco propriety.
It makes it a better exam.
I think Cisco U is kind of goingback towards that and offering
you more real world stuff thatisn't just.
Cisco focus, which is I think isa good thing.
Pat Allen (44:33):
Yeah.
I find that interesting as well.
Like I said, I, I like the idea.
I probably will stick around tojust kind of poke, poke around
and see what I can just kind ofpick up here and there, tidbits.
But the one thing I did wannamention which is really cool,
probably a little late to thegame just'cause in this podcast,
but a couple weeks ago theymentioned that they have their
(44:53):
rev up and race toRecertification.
So basically they're giving you56 free.
Continuing education creditstowards your existing, which is
a decent chunk, right?
So
Alex (45:06):
I mean, 40 Rees an associate level, so yeah, I mean
it
Pat Allen (45:09):
sure.
It's a decent chunk.
And I'm.
Alex (45:12):
CCNA out there,
Pat Allen (45:12):
exactly.
And I'm looking at it now andI'll put this, it, it's
basically a blog that breaks itall down.
I'll put this in the in the shownotes if you want to take a peek
at it.
Like I said, it's kind of, it'skind of late'cause it was
released two weeks ago thatthey've had this.
We're just mentioning it now,but There's three courses on
there, implementing andtroubleshooting networks using
Cisco Thousand Eyes, which is 24credits.
(45:34):
Secure Cloud and NetworkAnalytics, which is 16 credits.
And then understanding CiscoNetwork Automation Essentials at
16 credits as well.
The first two that I mentioned,the Thousand Eyes and the Secure
Cloud that you must completethat learning path by August
17th.
So that's just about 17 or 18days.
And then basically the, the, thenetwork automation one does not
(45:55):
expire, and you have 365 days tojust claim your credit when you
get done with that particularThat, that particular path.
But if you add those up 24, 16and 16, that is 56 big credits
to research or to renew whateveryour heart desires.
So I've, I'm interested to seethat.
I'm actually probably gonnastart on that for, just to keep
(46:18):
'em in my back pocket, whichwould be great.
Like I said, I just, I justpassed d n a at Cisco live this
year, so I'm, I'm set for threeyears.
But it, If you can stockpile'emand, and whatever that's that's
all, more power to anybodygetting it done out there.
So, wanted to mention that theygot the 56 credits that are just
hanging out there in the windand rock and rolling.
So if you're looking for that,if you have a cert coming up,
(46:38):
That is ready to re be redone,this is a, this is a decent
path, so,
Alex (46:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, you mentioned it.
I mean, those, the certs, they,they give you, they start the
three year clock, but you, youhave three years now to kind of
accumulate these points.
So someone who has an expertlevel certification and they
need 80, 80 credits, you keepdoing these freebies, the 16
credits here a couple times ayear, and hey, you re-certified
Pat Allen (47:05):
to go.
You are good to go.
So,
Alex (47:09):
So I'll, I'll pay attention to that.
Pat Allen (47:11):
For sure.
So, like I said, anybody'ssharing that.
I'll put that in in the shownotes.
I'll put the link to their,their blog in the show notes.
But yeah, I'll probably, I'llprobably start cracking on that
this week just to get my feetwet with that.
And that was kind of it.
That was that was the big one.
We're, we're right around thehour, so I'm, I'm, this is
crazy.
We talk about this stuff for solong, so
Alex (47:30):
I know we always think that we're gonna have a 15
minute podcast.
What are we gonna talk about?
And then we're like, oh wow.
We just, in this case, 54minutes.
In the last one, I think it waslike an hour and 40 minutes.
Pat Allen (47:42):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Alex (47:44):
yeah, I don't think we need to touch on another
subject.
I think it was a good time toclose up.
Pat Allen (47:50):
For sure.
I just wanna mention that wehave a couple of guests coming
up.
We have solid dates on a coupleof guests.
One of them being a good friendof mine.
I met him out at Cisco Live forthe first time.
Mr.
Tim Bertino from the Art ofNetwork Engineering podcast.
He's coming on to hang.
So, he'll be, he'll be here in afew weeks.
Just getting the, the lastminute dates solidified.
(48:10):
And there's some There's someinvites to some other big fish
out there.
So we're just waiting for peopleto get back to us and, and
solidify some schedules.
So you wanna hang around andkeep listening, tell your
friends and we'll be, we'll beback.
And we try to, try to keep itlight, keep it fresh, keep it
new, and just keep it going.
That's that's what we're allabout here, so it's all good.
So, that's it, my man.
(48:31):
We're gonna wrap up on this one.
We're gonna put a bow on thisone.
I'm gonna send it right to Elon.
I'm gonna send it, be like, yo,listen to this and share it with
all your peeps, bro.
Alex (48:40):
that's right.
I was gonna give you anotherheads up.
We're gonna do the outro.
Don't forget it's
Pat Allen (48:45):
That's right.
It is X, Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yes.
This old man, mine of, of mineis, is, doesn't work like it
used to.
So It's too much up here now.
So.
All right everybody.
Thanks for joining this week onthe new episode here.
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Make sure you visit our website.
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All the shows are there as wellin the episodes.
You can listen to the episodesright?
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So either way, however youchoose to consume it, have at
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We are everywhere.
Everywhere you can think of.
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So there was a rating on theApple podcast that would be
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great if you simply tell afriend, that would be great as
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The more ratings, the morereviews and that kind of stuff.
It really helps with the applePodcast stuff and the algorithms
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So, LinkedIn, we have some goodstuff going on there x as well.
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So we're, we're all for it.
And we'll we'll give you as muchas you can and go from there.
So, always good talking to you,my man.
We'll we'll see everybody nextweek and we'll be back and I
(50:32):
don't know, we'll see what wetalk about next week, but it,
it'll be a goodie.
I'm, I'm almost positive.
So buddy, we'll see you nextweek.
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