Episode 584 - Interview with Kay Daly

Episode 584 - Interview with Kay Daly by Ken Walls

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, good morning, and welcome to Breakthrough Walls. I'm Ken
Walls and I'm your host today. I have an unbelievably
special guest on. Her name is Kay Daily. This woman,
You're going to be blown away by her, So just listen,

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go ahead and share this out to everybody that you know,
and if you're watching on X you'll have the opportunity
to follow Kay. She's amazing, she has worked in DC
with she knows all the dirty little secrets. So trust

(00:49):
me when I tell you you don't want to miss this.
Make sure you go ahead and share this out and
we will be right back with Kada. Let me bring

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Kay on the show right now.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Kay, welcome, Thank you for having me Ken. I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm excited to have you here. So we met recently
on X on an X space and it was I
believe Queen Anti Commi that introduced us and she said,
you've got to have k on your show, So here
you are sure. I am the second. Today's January two

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of twenty twenty five, so.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's exactly right. And boys, this year started off crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Huh. Yesterday was interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It started off with a bag. Is too soon to say.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That no it really did, though, it did. That's going
on in this freaking so we'll get into that. But
let's let's let's talk about you first, And why don't
you start with telling everybody where you were born and raised?
Where did it all begin for you?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It began in Los Angeles. Actually, Los Angeles, California was
where I was born and on Halloween, Halloween baby nineteen
sixty six. And I grew up in a place in
Los Angeles called Hancock Park. And it's believe it or not,

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I grew up in a bubble in a way. Everybody
sort of grew up around everybody. Everybody knew everybody since kindergarten.
Everybody went to everybody's birthday parties. So it wasn't you know,
the wilds of Los Angeles. It really was kind of
an idyllic childhood. And went to an all girls school

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from seventh to twelfth grade called Marlborough.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I tried to do that, but they kicked me out.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes, I would have preferred to go to one of
my brother all boys schools, but you know, right to
day it might be different, though, ken you might have
a shot that's true.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes, I identify as a girl. I need to go to
this school. So so when you so is that does
you graduated from there? Then high school?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I graduated from Marlborough and went to SMU my
first year of college, and yes I did, Yes I did.
I have my mother's from X's and I have a
family who went to every Texas school, So whether you're
an Aggie, a Longhorn, Mustang, had family in all those schools.

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But I went to SMU, and I decided that I
really wanted a more challenging program, particularly in journalism and
radio TV film. During high school, my mother had made
sure that I did a lot of internships, and internships,

(04:34):
to me are what changed my world. I had internships
with Dukes of Hazard and Hill Street Blues and a
museum in Los Angeles were actually put together a saber
tooth tiger. I had, uh wow one summer. I had

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internships all over the place, but it was an internship
that went to Washington, d C. That changed my world.
So I decided that though I really wanted to be
a journalist, I wanted to be Connie Chung.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And after a couple of years, I had gone to
UCSD in San Diego, University of California in San Diego,
and my father looked at me one day and said,
why do you want to report on other people's successes?
I thought to myself, Okay, you have a point, but
you could have told me before I did all these classes. Right,

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So I did have journalism training, but I was dating
someone at the time in college my mother didn't like.
And what does a good Southern mother do. She sends
She sends her away on a little vacation, a little trip,
a little something, so she'll forget about that young man.

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So she did. She got me an internship in Washington,
DC with then Senator Pete Wilson of California. And I
got the internship in the press office, and it changed
my entire perspective. So rather than being rather than being

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in in the journalists side, to me, it was more
exciting to be on the news makers side. And so
I came back worked on Pete Wilson's senatorial then his
goobernatorial campaign, and a week after graduation from college, I

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I pracked. I didn't tell my parents this. I packed
up some resumes while all my friends were joining the
European tour and you know, taking a break. Nope, I
packed some resumes in my suitcase went back to Washington,
d C. That's where I wanted to go, Mom and Dad.
It was just for see some friends. Within a week,
I had a job with Senator Phil Graham of Texas

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in the project's office. And it was the project's office
was something different. You know, a lot of women at
the time, and I'm not a feminist by any stretch
of imagination, but a lot of women at the time
would get jobs on the hill, in the administrative side,

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in the scheduling side, and you know, in that sort
of thing. But I had told my boss at Pete
Wilson's office when he asked me, what do you want
to do, and I said, I want your job, because
he was a communications director. You said, well, there aren't
that many women who are doing this. And I thought,

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Mary Madeline is right down the road at the White House.
I think she's doing okay. So it never struck me
that I couldn't or that I shouldn't, or that I wouldn't,
but that it just was a matter of networking and
getting the experience and having good mentors. And that was
exactly it now. In the project's office, it was there

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were two of us who split all of the agencies
and the departments. So from my compatriot, Doug had half
of the executive branch and I had the other half.
And our job was to help you know, university presidents, NASA, gosh,

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you know, mayors, city managers, CEOs with projects that had
to do with the federal government. And we worked it.
We got money back to Texas, we got grants back
to Texas, and it was remarkable to work for someone
like Phil Graham. The interesting part, you know, Graham was

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the Graham of Graham, Rudman, balanced Budge, budgeting guy, and
he would get hit all the time. Why do you
want to announce these things? Isn't it Graham standing as
they called it, Wow Graham standing? Yeah, And so because
I would work with the Press department to get the
announcements out. And the charge was if you want to

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cut the budget so much, why are you announcing this?
And Phil's answer was brilliant. He said, you know, if
the Congress is going to vote for the chief for
a Chiefe factory on the Moon, I will vote against it,
but by God, once it passes, I'm going to make
sure that the cows come from Texas, that all the
building materials come from Texas, that we bring the cheese

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back to Texas, and that's all there is to it.
So you just had this notion and taught me early
on what a lot of people don't know in DC,
and that is your work for your constituents. So in
that case, I work for the people in Texas, and
people forget that.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I want to I want to ask you. I mean,
I think you probably know from the conversations you and
I have had how much I utterly despise just about
everything in DC. I know, I know. So I just

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think that there's so much freaking red tape now and
there's it's like and I you know, if you I
honestly think knowing what I know now. Of course when
I watched this television series, I didn't didn't realize it.
But House of Cards is somewhat accurate. Yes, it's it's
somewhat accurate in a lot of ways. Right.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, it makes it look a little more palatial than
it is. I mean, you have, you know, six staffers
in a room and get a little noisy and a
little crowded. Uh, it would it would drive someone with
OCD absolutely batty because just stacks of papers and stacks
of books, and it's just a very tight corner. So

(11:21):
it's not as glamorous as it looks. It really isn't.
But for anyone who's interested in the news, for anyone
who's interested in newsmakers, and you know, I don't want
to say it's the center of the universe, because it
really isn't. It's yeah, exactly exactly, but it's exciting and

(11:43):
you never know what's going to happen next. So so, so.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
You were because I mentioned that my best friend is
Glenn Moore shower right, and you said, I know Glenn,
and I guess you guys worked or you you. I
don't know if he knows you or you whatever. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm sure, yeah, we we've met, you know, here and there.
I never think that anyone's going to remember me, so
I assume that at all.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I get that safer.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Thing still, but I remember, no no idea.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Why so so well, I don't know what Joe means.
This is my buddy, Joe. What happened the lunacy sactory?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It probably died in Graham Rudman two.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh my god, so so but you so you were?
But you were? You started in acting like you want to.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, production acting as a production intern on Jigs and
Hazard and Hill Street Blues. I mean, that's just sort
of what you did in Los Angeles here a part
of the business. But having when I worked there, I
realized these people are nuts. They're also incredibly unhappy. But
at the same time, I sort of traded, you know,

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out out of a frying pan into the fire. US just
crazy and DC just in a different way.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Right, Yeah, I can see that. So so you you
ended up in in d C. And look, Joe, Joe's
friends with Glenn. So Joe tried to introduce me to Glenn,
and Glenn ignored him, but then somebody else introduced me.

(13:32):
Joe hates that story, but anyway, so so like that, Yeah,
but so so when he.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Plays an interesting experience because it gives you, you know,
in Hollywood, because it gives you the perspective of really
two different universes in which both crowds think they're the
center of the universe and both are wrong. So but
it gives you a perspective. And there's I learned a
lot about TV film production and just the business in

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general and how it works and how it doesn't work,
and that helped. But you know, all these little steps
along the way helped me get to know what I
kind of eventually settled into, and we was really really
helpful in terms of knowing different businesses. If I had
not worked in Phil Graham's office and had half of

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the executive branch under my purview, I wouldn't know an
awful lot about the executive branch because you can get
compartmentalized in DC very quickly. So, oh, and I know Joe,
you are the center.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Of the No, he thinks he is so. And by
the way, we have this means that Amo Steve. Do
you know Steve loves Amo.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I've seen him.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I think he shared this out. We have seven hundred
and fifty five people watching live.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, so thank you to Steve and Anti Commy and
lo Low. I'm sure they all share it.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
You love you, guys.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'll check later, but I suspect so, So okay.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
If you want, I do have a Hollywood story which
is kind of interesting for those I.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Would love to hear it. I would love to hear it.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
When you're on the second unit on a set, that's
the action part of any any set, as you don't do.
And I was out at the ranch for Jickster Hazard
on the second unit. Now mind you, I was seventeen
years old, and they were doing, you know, some jump sequences.

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I think there was an explosion sequence and we had.
It was later in the day, as I recall, and
the ranch that Warner Brothers used was a very big location,
so you could have multiple multiple companies filming at the
same time, multiple shows or movies or whatever. All of

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a sudden, they'd just done a jump, and all of
a sudden, folks and cars come screaming up, and it's
the main producer and he comes in. He's like, hey,
I got to get you off set right now, Like
why why did I I'm just sitting here. He was
talking to Boss Hog sorrel Book, just hanging out. Brilliant

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guy by the way, and we I left and he said, yeah,
there's been an accident at the ranch. The Twilight Zone
movie was filming at that point, and Victor Morrow was
filming a helicopter sequence with these two little kids. He
was supposed to be in Vietnam in the movie. And

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the helicopter crashed and it killed Vic Morrow and it
killed the two little kids that were with him. Oh my,
so because I was seventeen years old, I was a
miner still, and they wanted all minors off second units
literally studio wide. So again Forrest gup here, I somehow

(17:24):
get to these points in history, and I don't quite
know how, but I do.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
So I did not know, Okay, I didn't. And you
know Glen Glenn was on Dukes of Hazard and on
Hill Street Blues. So yeah, he's been That's that's crazy, that's.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, Glenn will back me. U A Sorrel Book was
one of who played Boss Hog. Was one of the
most educated folks ever. He was a Shakespearean trade actor,
spoke multiple languages, and rather than just sitting there socializing,
he would sit there reading books the entire time when
he was not on camera. So he wasn't the the
character that you saw. Extremely educated, brilliant guy, fun to

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talk to.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You know, I've met through Glenn. I've met a lot
of actors now, including John Schneider and a bunch of
other people. But I've found that that's actually fairly common.
They're They're all the ones I've met are really intelligent.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So yeah, they a lot are It depends on their training.
Some are not the thing that I noticed that they
have in common. A lot of folks. Their personal lives
can be masses. But that's true. And Doc too, they
just hide.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think it's true. I think it's true across the
board and a lot of places, but I you know,
it does run a little more ram but in some
of these celebrity circles for sure. So Joe, I'm looking

(19:08):
at Joe's comments.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I know he's a hilarious I know it's not a
ditty story yet story.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. So so when you when you you went through
all of this and in getting started in d C. Yeah,
and you've seen all the stuff, like you've seen all
the stuff, like a lot of crazy stuff. But talk

(19:38):
about some of the moments in d C when there
have to be moments where you were like, I can't
do this anymore. These people are too far gone.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
There has to be lots you can't do. Four decades,
nearly four decades in politics. And remember it wasn't just
DC I worked in, you know, I worked in campaigns
all of that. There were times and if you fast
forward to this century, it sounds so weird. Fast forward

(20:13):
to this century. I had started a coalition. And this
was when I got into crisis communications very heavily. I'd
done it before, I'd been a media coach and all
of that. But I was asked when i'd just gone
back to d C to to have to help out

(20:37):
with John Ashcroft's confirmation hearing when w was first elected,
and I was probably seven months pregnant at that point,
almost eight, and so I help out. I kind of
I probably broke a few rules in terms of communications

(21:01):
at the time. Having a press conference on a Monday
was never a good thing. But I said, yeah, we're
doing a press conference on Monday. And they looked at
me like I've lost my damn mind. So we put
together all these organizations and we have a massive press

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conference that supported John Ashcroft, Barbara Olsen, who was Ted
Olsen's wife. He became the Solicitor General, she was the
MC and it was a huge, huge press conference. So

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the R and C and it was very successful. The
R and C and all these folks came up to
me afterwards, how did you get all these organizations together
and agreeing and doing this? Called them right mystery? And
the good news is we put the left on defense

(22:03):
immediately because they were used to us responding in confirmations. Instead,
we were the ones driving the narrative right, and we
didn't allow them to define John Ashcroft. So they had
to respond all week long and then sprinkle on top
of little gorilla marketing during the week and poof he

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was confirmed. But so then once that happened, they wanted
there were folks who were talking about doing something to
help judicial nominees. And because we had gone through the
Clarence Thomas hearings, we'd gone through the Robert Borke thing,
and judicial nominees in particular, they're not really police on

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our side. They're they're not political animals, and they're lawyers, lawyers,
and so they're not used to the rough and tumble
of politics. And the standard operating procedure in a confirmation
hearing is you don't talk to the press. You just don't. Period.

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You can give them too much, too much, ammo.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
And so.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
They wanted to start a coalition. I said, let's let's
do this. Let's put together as many center right organizations
as we can and anyone who agrees with our goal,
and let's see what we can do. So we trotted
off to the White House three of us scals. I
called us the three housewives, and we trotted off to
the White House and they literally That's when I got

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into an argument with Carl Rovee. It hadn't been my first.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
A lot of people got into an argument with Carl.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I just say it exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, it wasn't my first argument. But he sat there
and told me that the American people would never understand
judicial nominations. Wow, and the federal judiciary. And I said,
I told them, not the way you're talking about it, Carl.
You got these three guys and three piece suits up
on TV with whiteboards talking about judicial nominations. That's not

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going to be helpful. And so they I think they're
starting to do some work. I'm going to go inside
with us.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
So, oh lord, have mercy. Show everybody your view first,
you got just show them the back look at that.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
So we have lots of people working on property. What
can I tell you?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
It's hard to mow that though, exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
You're mowing the grass there. No. So we had a
a whole bunch of organizations that started up with us,
which was good news. There was there was everything from
Republicans for Choice to the Family Research Council to the

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log Cabins Republicans to the Christian Coalition. But Carl was
convinced that that American people just could not possibly understand
judicial nominations and their importance. And so I had told him,
it's not about the language that you're using, it's not

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about what you're saying. It's about what people are hearing,
and you have to make sure that what you're saying
is relevant. Most folks at the time did not know
the difference between a federal court and a traffic court,
but they did understand that something was interfering with their lives,
and a guy in a black robe with a pen

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changes your world. The awesome course of power of the
federal courts cannot be underestimated. And these are lifetime appointments.
So we started this coalition and it grew and it grew,
and it grew and it grew. The the battles they
got well known, but we also were able to put

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folks on the Supreme Court, you know, help the President's
several presidents with those, and we were able to have
the conversation about the role of the federal courts and
why it's important. So that Mom and Iowa would understand.
This is why it's important, This is why you should care,
this is why you need to you need to pay

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attention and help out. So I'm still getting message points
back to this day. There were lots of times. I mean,
there were folks who were filibustered. There were folks who
were smeared, uh in ways that Kavanaugh gets uh. There
were folks who were.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Just massively uh, trying to run.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm exactly, I'm looking for it. They're still doing this
whole thing on our property here, so I'm moving, I'm
going back. So it was a you.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Know, I want to let me interrupt you for a second.
I never say I'm sorry for interrupting because I.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know, one of the things that I despise about
d C the most is the arrogance of the people
that are voted in by their constituents where they're they're
hired by us, and the arrogance that they think we

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don't understand, that we're just a bunch of dumbasses that
don't get it, and so they need to treat us
like children and there are parents. It really, really really
pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And it should it should, remember, it should remember what
That's what I told you was my one of my
first lessons in Washington, d C. Was remember who you
work for. And in my case, it was the people
of Texas. But a lot of folks forget that.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
It isn't just the elected officials I do. It's the staff.
The staff, a lot of them. In fact, I'm sure
there are a lot of them go out there with great
intentions and you know, wide eyed and idealistic. Thing is

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they get in this place where they almost think they
they're the ones with the voting card name is after Senate,
and they're in their twenties, okay, and they actually start
to have hostility towards their constitutions, towards their bosses, constituents.
They forget and they're legislating in areas or they're dealing

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in areas in which they have absolutely no experience whatsoever.
That's a huge problem for folks to think that it's
some high paying gig, right, that that's why you get young,
younger folks. It's just it's not a high paying gig.
And it can end in a heartbeat.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Which which which actually exacerbates the situation in my opinion,
because they're they're they're they're way underpaid, they're not making
any money, and they're trying to make a splash and
get and.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
For the next gig. Yes, the next gig, whether it's
on K Street or whether it's a university, whatever is
their deal in the industry that they're legislating, whatever it is.
But yeah, it does exacerbate it, and there is an
open hostility. And they have their own language in DC,
which makes matters worse because the language masks a lot

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of things. I'm not saying they don't have good intentions,
a lot of them do. But the road to hell
is also paved with good intentions. So right, right, my,
You know, I always wanted to see in place in
congressional offices, in particular, people who've actually had the experience
in the areas that they're legislating now. A lot of times,

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the military legislative aids, they were the ones you could
most consistently find. You can most consistently find a a veteran,
someone who was you know, who had served or had
worked at the Pentagon or something that was good, but
you don't find it. You know, a banking la had

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never worked at a bank, an ag la, an agriculture.
I had never been to a farm. I'm telling you.
It was rampant and it still is. And then you
had to you sprinkle lot a bunch of lawyers, and
then you got a real problem.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, so so again, and there you've got thousands of stories,
I'm sure, but to keep it to somewhat higher level overview, yes,
you know, I would imagine. Were you there during the
whole Clarence Thomas thing when Biden and all these people

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they just they literally roasted him?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
No, thank you god, I wasn't. I do know Jenny
Thomas very well. But because I did, I actually did
a press conference for her on Benghazi, so I was
there during that. But no, I wasn't there during Clarence Thomas,
but it was. I watched almost every minute of that hearing. Yeah, yeah,

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they were, and I didn't want to see that again,
but it happened a lot. You know, the Left is
good at a couple of things that we aren't. One
of them is knowing the rules at the House in
the Senate, and when you're talking about Senate confirmations, those
rules are byzantine. Okay, they are. It's a maze. It's

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a real a maze, and they're good at manipulating those
rules and getting the job done. We aren't just saying.
The second thing that they're really really good at is
the whole protesting getting the media's attention thing. And there

(32:27):
were thousandsins of hearings in which they were interrupted code pink,
people in wheelchairs locking themselves together. There were you know,
screams and signs, and I didn't notice any J six

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insurrection claims or any interference with an official government of
proceeding charges. They get taken down to the Capitol, whole
police you know little building there. They get charged bi
bucks and it isn't even a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Are we allowed to talk about We allowed to talk
about that.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I'm kidding being arrested at the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes, yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I sort of got.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
You were arrested at the Capitol.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I've been arrested at the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Shut up?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
This is how I know about the fifty bucks?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Okay, tell tell me you got to tell that story.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
What did you do?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I was I'm telling you, I'm innocent. I just got
swept up in a dragnet. Now, John Bayner, who was
a speaker of the House would not put a particular
bill on the floor. It was he was bott actually,
you know, he was a pretty pretty nice guy. I've

(33:48):
seen him what i'd call off campus at parties and yeah, anyways,
he wouldn't put this. I think it was the born
Alive infants at and so a bunch of my pro
life compatriots and I decided that we would have a
prayer vigil outside the Speaker's office.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So we did, and it was in this hallway. We
were not blocking the hallway, we weren't having, you know,
any any problems whatsoever, just quietly praying. You know. That's
where I was like, he didn't want the press. You
didn't want the press. So we got arrested, handcuffs and everything,

(34:31):
and they hauled off all these little pro lifers, you know,
these little grandmothers and these suite men and everything. In
me it was for incommoting a hallway and what incommoting
a hallway? That was the official charge what he and

(34:52):
we went to the there's a little building it's in
basically one of the parking lots in the Senate on
the Senate side right by uh you know, this set
at office buildings. And they they put us, They put
us in these they weren't even cells, there were rooms.
And they said, you guys are the nicest protesters. We

(35:16):
love having here. And we're like, yeah, we're having a
great time. We were talking left and they said you
could come back anytime. I'm like it, wouldn't be arrested again.
But there's no record. So I see all this stuff
on January sixth, right, and I'm like, time out. They walked,
they had they had an FBI guided tour in the

(35:38):
Capitol and what what do you mean? They it's an insurrection?
What So having seen code ping practically burned down the place,
having seen you know, Antifa and and and move on
dot org, that was a big one. All these folks
practically burned down the play every judicial nominee's hearing. And

(36:03):
you're gonna tell me that's that's not interference. I've seen
interference in hearings. So I wouldn't have wanted folks to
go into the Capitol under those circumstances. If I had
been there, I would have stood in the door and
say stop, turn around, go back, don't do this. It
won't end well.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But the Capitol police, we were literally ushering them in
and showing them around.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, I guided tour.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Problem ken it besides it being an FBI guided tour. Okay,
it's not just the Capitol Hill police, it's the prosecutors. Yeah,
that did political prosecution because this was part of an
entire law fair plan to embarrass the president.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I had.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I had Larry Brock, Lieutenant Colonel Larry Brock on the
show last Friday, and he told his whole story. He's
the highest ranking military person to be arrested in that
whole freaking debacle. It was a bunch of bullsh crap.
So so, but we could go so far down that hole.

(37:18):
I don't want to right now, but I you know,
I want. I want to ask you because I value
the heck out of your opinion. I really do. Yeah,
but you have a ridiculous amount of experience, especially handling
media and all that bullshit, Like that's a lot of bullshit.

(37:41):
The media is so corrupt. But it's oh, yeah, you know,
you were talking about journalism. My wife, who's watching, she
just here. I'll post her comment. My wife is watching,
and she she said, what a great interview she is.
She is she's done pr and journalism and she she's yeah,

(38:04):
she but so, I mean, journalism is not the same obviously.
But now let me ask you this, in your opinion,
this could go so many different directions in your opinion. Interesting,
what is the biggest problem in our government today besides

(38:26):
the idiot sitting in the White House? But why he's
not even there?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
But anyway, he's not even there when he's there, right, Honestly,
I think that, well, there's a couple of ways I
can answer this.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
I honestly think that the people who ought to run
for office typically don't, and the people who do run
for office a lot of times shouldn't. And there's no
way to learn. You can't google your way into knowing

(39:04):
how DC works, you can't take a course, you can't
read a book. It makes no sense, there's no common sense,
there's no logic. And all these wonderful people who are
who've just woken up in the past, you know, several years.
I love their hunger for knowledge that the danger is

(39:27):
and a lot of it that they want to apply
the common sense, they want to apply the logic, And
a lot of times it's just not fair. It doesn't
make sense in the swamp at all, which is one
of the reasons why I'm on X and on spaces
is because I want to fill in those gaps. It's

(39:49):
not that they're wrong. Yes, it's the way it should work,
absolutely the way they're thinking. But I'm telling you it doesn't,
and it makes their their There's no way to find
out except for having been there and having had the experience.
So I'm trying desperately to keep folks from burning out

(40:10):
to you know, in in being involved, because it is
emotional for a lot of folks. They care so much,
and I want them to have the truth behind the
headlines and all of that. Do I think it can
be fixed. I know folks like term limits. I know

(40:33):
folks like all of that, but they do have term
limits actually now. And that's an election, and we've got
to get better at either candidate recruitment or at understanding
who's a good candidate and why we aren't teaching civics,
we aren't teaching history. We need to get a lot

(40:55):
better at all of that. And I think our government
will reflect a better working knowledge for all citizens if
we do that and do it better.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
You know, I had a space last night for I
don't know, six hours. I think crazy. By the way,
we have like eleven hundred and thirty people watching on.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Guys X questions too.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
For there's people on Facebook and one on YouTube. So
x is winning this fight.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Now you're a free to ask questions, y'all.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yes, please ask questions of k because, like listen, I've
met I know a lot of.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
The media coach, stunt, the media coach.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, but I know a lot of people who've been
in DC, some for years, and you probably have more
knowledge about what's actually going on there than anybody I
know outside of Ken Star Ken Is. You know, he's was.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
An absolute doll, probably one of the sweetest and most
maligned folks on our side.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Sweet guy, super super guy. So Facebook in the house, Darlene,
so so so Okay, back to my question, did you
answer it?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I don't think so, but I tried.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
What's the biggest problem in d C.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
In not having you know the right people running? Okay,
the people who run either you know the people who
are who are running right now for House and Senate.
Quite frankly, they there are people who should run who don't,

(42:53):
and the people who should run who don't run who
should And the other problem, the secondary problem although it's
going to be quite a focus in this next year.
They uh, you're all going to get a real education
on how the executive branch works or it doesn't because

(43:15):
of the bureaucracy. That's the deep state. And it isn't
names necessarily that you know, It isn't names that are familiar.
These are nameless, faceless bureaucrats and they have what oh yes,

(43:36):
thank god, yeah, thank god, Pelosi was saying during.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
That whole insurrection.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yes, oh yeah, thank god. You know, I guess Kamala
ran for a life. The whole stories freed the bureaucracy.
You know, everybody wants to have it just fired on
day one in the Trump administration, right that it's not
going to happen that way. You cannot fire a bureaucrat.

(44:02):
It practically takes an act of Congress. You have to
go through something called the Merit Systems Protection Board. It
literally takes years, and then you have to fight the unions.
That takes years. The left also has been very very
good at doing what we call burrowing in. And when
you burrow in, you may have been a political appointee.

(44:25):
All right after that administration, you burrow into a bureaucrat job.
From the political job to a bureaucrat job makes you unfirable.
And then they sit there and lie and wait and
all they do. All they do is try and stop,
slow down forward their opposition's agenda. Now people are all excited.

(44:48):
Oh my goodness, we have all these thousands of political
appointees who are going in. Don't care. It's okay, you
got four thousand political appointees here versus what three four
milliion bureaucruts.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Well, so here's here's my theory. And I think I
shared this with you before on a space. I have
a theory about this. You want to hear it again.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I know this is an interview all about you.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
But I loved to hear exactly. I love you so.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
So I just think that and I really want to
hear your opinion on this. I think that it's going
to take massive exposure of all the corruption and then
we can we can have change.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I mean, it'll take a signature on an executive order.
I'm not kidding, Okay, the nineteen seventy eight Civil Service
Reform Act, that's what is the controlling legislation over the bureaucracy.
It sets up this maze, right, and that Act gives

(45:57):
the President of the United States the the authority to
take off what are called PPP protections. You look it
up in the bill nineteen seventy eight Civil Service reformat.
Those protections turn a bureaucrat who's unfireable into an at

(46:17):
will employee at the pleasure of the president, so then
they can be fired. First on the list ought to
be schedule A attorneys. And I'm sure that the President
will agree with me. There the attorneys in every department,
the ausas. Now the US attorneys are all going to
be gone gone, but the ausas, those guys are bureaucrats underneath.

(46:38):
They need to go to they're troublemakers. Then you need
to go to every legal department and every department and agency.
Who are the ones who are the first slow rollers
of any agenda. They stop agendas all the time. Those
attorneys as schedule attorneys Bye bye. Then you need to
go to the SEES, the Senior Executive Service. You can

(47:00):
you know, okay, there might be some good apples there.
I'm sure there are. Go through them. It is a
byzantine maze, and you are going to hear all kinds
of things about schedule F, and you're going to hear
all kinds of things about, oh well this if we
pass this through no, no passing through Congress, no schedule F.

(47:21):
That's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic Executive Order. Okay,
that takes away those protections. You don't have to go
through the merriage Systems Protection Board. And it is perfectly
within the powers of the presidency to take those protections off,
so they are fireable that afternoon.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Okay, So but I'm just gonna reiterate my my, my
sentiments on this, and that is I really you know
Trump Trump has they tried to take his life twice?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yes, they ken that. All the press conferences yesterday. Think
about all the press conferences yesterday after these terrorists attacks.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, yeah, four of them. There were four different one
day episodes, one day, day, one day, and day one.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
No one day. All Right. Now here's here's the kicker.
Do you know how many press conferences they had after
not one, but two, uh attempted presidential assassinations? Say that again, okay,
two attempted presidential assassinations. How many press conferences did they have?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
None?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Zero?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
All they did, and.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
The Secret Service wasn't even there. The lead Eli, oh
wasn't even there. Isn't that bizarre.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
It's it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I'm sorry, pardon my language, but but it's I know,
but I'm I get so freaking angry about this. And
my wife is My wife is saying someone needs to
get this interview to Trump chief of staff. Oh my goodness,
we will, we will do that. But I think that

(49:07):
so many there there are just the corruption. So I say,
I say that about the the attempts on Trump's life.
He's still convinced, and so am I that twenty twenty
was stolen and all of the and I'm probably they're
going to shut us down now on YouTube and Facebook,

(49:29):
but I don't care whatever. I'm so sick of the sick.
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of I'm sick of it,
and I'm sick of being afraid.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Like what freaking after the day after the election, didn't
feel like you could breathe again?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh my god? Yes, But but I also like, I'm like,
oh my god, we got to get him to January twentieth,
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
And it's like, you know, and and then yesterday Hello,
you know.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Was and he to have a rally on the nineteenth.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I know.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
The Secret Service says, that's okay, I why don't you
just put a target on the man? I mean literally
it to me, Why why no put his hand on
the Bible. The sooner the better.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
And make it make sure that that that Yeah. Anyway,
so when we, you know, we look at everything going on,
you have to be living. I mean, I blocked somebody
this morning on X because the cognitive dissonance that some
of these people are experiencing is so deep that I

(50:38):
don't like.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, no, we're very good at circular firing squads and
without understanding that where the real enemy is and the
real the real point of what we're doing. This coalition,
this giant coalition between MAGA and Mahan, all these independent
voters who come over the challenge, which I said several

(51:02):
months ago into space is going to be not shooting
at each other. And that's already started. Okay. I'm not
necessarily a massive fan of Mike Johnson for instance. Okay,
but if we keep on with this, Okay, if we
keep on, we're going to have a speaker HACKEM Jeffries
guarantee Okay, so we cannot afford to be doing speaker

(51:26):
musical chairs for the first couple of months while you know,
I mean, is it a priority for folks to care
about not having a CR at the end of the
year or having the appropriations bills drop in February March
like they're supposed to, so that you have separate appropriations
bills rather than a CR. Okay, we were messing around

(51:48):
with the speaker's chair, remember last February and March, right,
So what did that end up with another CR because
we did not drop the appropriations bills? And there is
such I don't care if you put Donald Trump Junior,
Matt Gates, Hulk Hogan. It doesn't matter who you put
in that Speaker's chair. You're still going to have the

(52:10):
smallest majority, the slimmest majority in House of Representative's history.
And you're hurting cats on crack here.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
They're very independent minded. It's a conference, not a caucus,
so there are different rules. The House Democratic Caucus has
different rules, and that's why they vote together.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Explain that to me, what's that mean? I don't I've
heard the obviously the word four thousand times, and I've
never taken the time to research it. What does that
mean the caucus.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well, there's there's several different organizations and things in the
House and in the Senate. The House Republicans, all the
House Republicans have organized themselves into you know, a weekly
meeting that's called the House Republican Conference. Okay, the Senate,

(53:02):
the House Democrats have the House Democratic Caucus, all right,
and under the rules the House Democratic Caucus. And I've
got to look in and make sure that I'm correct
on this, but it certainly has been for decades like this.
They have a two thirds rule, so when they all

(53:24):
get together, two thirds of them have to agree to
bring something to the floor, and that means they're also
committing their vote. Okay, so a lot of people say, oh, yes,
I want people to have a chance to vote on it,
but then they'll vote against it or do a not
voting thing. But they have a two thirds rule, and
the whips on the Democratic side don't always tell them

(53:45):
at all how many are voting or who's voting, so
they're all scared not to vote in unison, both on
the floor and in the caucus. Now, the reason why
they're so able to stay in lockstep is because the
left uses the tools of power at their fingerprints, at

(54:07):
their fingertips to make sure that they do stay in locksteps.
So they might lose a committee seat, they might lose
a chairmanship, they might lose fundraising right, they might lose
a fundraiser, they might lose an endorsement, they might they
might get a really bad press day. Whatever it is.

(54:28):
They use those and they ratchet them up all the time,
or they might be you know, gosh, I noticed that
the you know, your opposition research file has this in it,
and wouldn't be a shame if some media outlet got
that they use the levers of power.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, we do, right, and it has no such rule.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
The House Republican Conference has no such rule. So you've
got a third of the conference that is on the left,
a third of the conference that's on the right, and
a third of the conference that's in the middle, and
they're all in the House Republican time. So you've got
you know, a bunch of critters running to the left
to make deals with Dems. Who are you know that
third you have when when Mike Johnson tries to make

(55:09):
a deal to bring them back over, Okay, you want
this bill on the floor, all right, we'll make that happen.
You want this to happen, Okay, you'll only vote on
this bill if this happens. Okay, So on the on
the right, the right then gets mad if he starts
to make a deal to drag him back in, and
then the middle is just sort of milling about. Who

(55:30):
knows where they vote? They vote everywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
You said this the other day on the space we
were on. I've heard other people say it that. And
you would know probably better than anyone, that the Democrats
stay organized and lock arms and they're very hey whatever,
we're all we're all in this together. And the Republicans
do nothing, but not nothing, but but they a lot

(55:55):
of infighting, attacking one another, which is the layman's way
of explaining what you're saying. And I think that you know,
it's like the last few days, people attacking Elon and
Vivek and over over a freaking h one B state.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Stupid, stupid hell.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
And it's a solid division.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, it's it's stupid and it's a distraction. Look, the
left is really really good at distracting, demotivating and dividing.
That's what they do. And the left has basically one
hundred organization coalition coming together. On the left, they're regenerating

(56:36):
like Terminator two, okay, and they're not defeated. They have
a lot of money, they have a lot of media savvy,
they have universities, they have k Street, they have Hollywood. Uh,
they have this whole network. Uh. And they are regenerating.
And then you've got the Shadow Government that's basically a
media arm that they're going to be working with. So

(56:57):
I'm more worried about that hundred organization coalition than what
the hell Elon and Vivek are tweeting back and forth
with Laura Loomer. I don't care that's one hundred and
forty thousand HB one pisas. We can deal with that later.
I'm more worried about this coalition and the fifteen million

(57:18):
that have come across the border illegally, not to mention
the close to five hundred thousand children that are missing.
You have to get perspective, you have to understand what
hills to die on, and quite frankly, Rush Limbaugh was
one of the best at keeping us focused, at understanding
what the goal was and being laser focused and not

(57:40):
letting us get distracted. Have you all noticed that since
he died, we've been running a muck.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I so, kay, what's the I mean this is rhetorical,
I know, but for the people listening that don't understand,
what's the solution to which part in the to to

(58:09):
the infighting, the the bull I'm telling you this guy,
you know the Texas one he he posted some idiot
was attacking him and his wife saying you're not you're
not making enough noise about the H one B ship
And I'm like, dude, shut up, like seriously, just shut up,
you moron.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
And we have confirmation hearings coming up. I know, two
hundred days we have literally an inauguration. It's going to
turn Washington, d C. Probably into a hellscape. We have issues.
The storm clouds are happening, and it's not happening on exit.
Shouldn't it really shouldn't. It's what my my solution is.

(58:50):
I'm begging folks to take a breath, step back, and
remember what the goal is. Okay, it's to support this
president and his administration. Now, I'm not saying that you
can't have your own beliefs, your own mind, your own
your own thoughts your own north Star, please do. I'm
not telling you not to disagree with him, but the

(59:13):
last thing he needs right now, the very last thing
he needs, is to have a whole cadre on X
be blasting him, blasting his team for things that are
really I know they're important, but they're not nearly as
important as the top ten priorities for his administration. The

(59:36):
first hundred days, the confirmation hearings. Y'all think they're in
the bag, these confirmation hearings, they're not. One questioning period
can literally blow a confirmation period hearing apart, and all
of a sudden you've got a kabinet situations. It becomes

(59:59):
it becomes frustrating when I know that folks who are
new to politics care deeply, and they have their issues
and that they really care about. But when you're in
a coalition in particular, it's not about an ideological purity
test on our side. We have to focus instead on

(01:00:24):
what the overall goal is. We're going to have enough
people attacking us. We're going to have advertising, we're going
to have protests, we're going to have wall to wall media,
we're going to have it really is going to be
pretty spicy this year, and I don't really care at

(01:00:46):
this point who said what to whom and who hurt
who's feelings. Stop is to stop figure out that all
of this is a distraction and it's not helping this
president at all. And he's not perfect, but he is
the best hope from everything I've seen in four decades,

(01:01:09):
he is the best hope that we have for getting
some real structural change in DC. That's what a change
that's always been needed, not window dressing like a lot
of them. Do structural change that will change the nature
of politics and give us back the power.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
You know, and the very fact that anybody would attack
Elon Musk for I mean, honestly, he saved free speech.
He provided the pathway with X to a Trump victory.
He was campaigning on his own diamond time for Trump

(01:01:55):
in Pennsylvania. Like relax, you guys, Like just relax, Like
let's three unit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yes, he's sending starlink to western North Carolina. He's sending
spaceships up to rescue astronauts because well, we gave our
space program to rush you know, he has, I mean,
and you guys are going to be pissed it here.
He gave us back one of our main tools for

(01:02:23):
free speech. Yeah, I'm not going to say that I
agree with anybody one hundred percent, But just because I'm
not fighting them doesn't mean that I agree either. It's
just not the most important thing. The focus has to
be the goal. It has to be that the goals.

(01:02:44):
You know, make sure to stop and think before get tweet.
Isn't helpful to this president, this administration.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
What is? Hey, what's what is? I should have had
this ready. I'm sorry. I'm such a terrible host. Do
you know, I'm kidding. Do you have a website?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I did put your handle on on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
It's at daily tweet. So it's l y tweet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
At daily tweet. Yeah, at daily tweet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I like that. Yeah, so follow on X. There we go.
I'm gonna say that, and then I'm gonna have this
scroll across the bottom because I'm fancy like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
So so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
So everybody watching follow k on at on X at
daily tweet. If you're still on Facebook and the other platforms,
I understand it's hard to break away. I'm still I
still have it. I still have those other platforms. I
just you know, I'm on x more than anything now because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
You know, right the same here, Yeah, Joe, it's hilarious. Besides,
so you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Know, oh god, so Joe is funnier than hell.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
You want big tent, big tent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yeah, Joe lives in an Orange County by the way,
Yeah he's from I give him ship all the time.
I'm like, dude, stop acting like a liberal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Does he surf at the wedge? That's what I want
to know. I'm an old surfer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Check so he doesn't surf. I guarantee you he doesn't.
He probably at some point. So yeah, so so what
what final words of wisdom? Advice? I mean again, we
you and I have talked for hours on spaces. Listen,

(01:05:02):
if you go follow kay on on at daily tweet
and turn on notifications, you'll know when she's in a
space talking. And and trust me when I tell you
that she spends hours in these spaces answering questions, providing
tons and tons of wisdom and insight. And and you

(01:05:25):
know we have missus.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I think that's that's Nicky Nick Nick. Yeah, he's my
co host.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Pub chat together Monday, Wednesday Fridays at nine pm Eastern
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for those who think diehards a Christmas movie, he's going
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Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
You do? So everybody make sure you're following k at
Daily d a l y tweet dot com on X
don't look for her anywhere else because we like freedom
of speech. Yes, yes, And for those wondering why I

(01:06:35):
mean you're sitting in Georgia with a blue house behind you,
I'm kidding. Tell everybody you're down in the where.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Saint Thomas in the Virgin Islands.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
So beautiful, Yes, it's kind of. There's her backyard. That's
it's so looks miserable there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Cloudy today, but it's I'll survive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I'll survive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That's my daughter, My fourteen year old daughter just said
to me like two weeks ago, I want to go
to the Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Come on, down, Come on down. You're welcome anytime. It's
it's a beautiful place. It is a it can be
a challenge at times, water Wi Fi electricity, but at
the same time it really is beautiful. You're welcome anytime.
Ken and Joe if you want to come to I,

(01:07:30):
I guess I'll let you in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Let him sleep in the down on the rocks next door.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
You probably like it on the beach, but no, it's
it really is beautiful. And I will say there's there's
two funny little things because I know folks are going
Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah, right there every Christmas folks who live here.
Note you go to what's called Christmas cop and you

(01:07:57):
take a boat, you go over there, you have some drinks,
you play some music, you do all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Christmas Cove is on Great Saint James Island, which Jeffrey
Epstein also owned, and it's right next to Little Saint James.
So I've been by Little Saint James, and I've been
in the bay Christmas Cove. Now, second thing our property
apparently the there was a I guess a real estate

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agent who had this listed, uh this this property listed
and apparently Jeffrey Epstein said that he came by to
see the place because he was thinking about buying it,
so that it wasn't private enough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Wow, well that was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Before he bought the island.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Can you imagine not private enough? And it's pretty private
where we are, so yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Wonder wonder why he needed all that privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I wonder why. I imagine. You know, it's wow when
I say I feel like I'm the the forrest gup
of politics, whether it's Bill Clinton, whether it's this Jeffrey
Epstein stuff, whether it's just meeting different people at different
times at different points in history. I sort of stumble

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in kareem into the oddest situation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
You've you've worked in the White House, like on not
for the White House, it's staffer, but you've been in
the White House many.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Many times every week for too many years to count
on judges. And I wasn't a White House staffer, but
you'd go. I'd go every week because we were dealing
with you know, coalition stuff and judges and you know.
And then worked on the Hill for several folks, and

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worked for with CEOs, and worked with Hollywood types and
all of it. To if you all have ever watched
the show Scandal. Just call me Olivia Pope without the
storyline that goes on between the president anyways. But yeah,
it's Olivia Pope. And I just heard the other day.

(01:10:16):
By the way, Ken, You're gonna love this. The real
Olivia Pope, the one that this show is based on,
was a gal who worked in George H. W. Bush's
communications department.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Oh, I said, when.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
My friend told me that I have to meet her.
She has to be a force of nature. I have
to meet her. So there is a very real Olivia
Pope and I'm not her.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Wow, that's insane. Well, I've had I've had Mary spaith
on the show several few years ago. She was Reagan's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Communication Media relations director and she really revolutionized the Reagan
communications department there in terms of not only satellite into
the White House, but also understanding that you could go
over around through under the White House Press Corps and
reach local press state level, and at the time that

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was revolutionary. In talking with John Gizzie last night, the
newsma's White House correspondent, there's going to be some real
changes in the Trump White House to how they interact
with the press. There is going to be more independent journalists.
They're going to be front row. They may move it
to either the old Executive Office building or even the

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State Department where Kennedy used to have press conferences, in
a bigger space. So the independent, you know, citizen journalist
is going to have more access to the White House.
They'll have briefings for independent journalists. It's really it's kind

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of exciting to see that change. I worried.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I cannot wait to see CNN, ABC in MSNBC or
ms D n C and all of them in the
back row.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Well, yeah, questions what you say, I can't hear you there,
Joe Scarborough. Now, it's my fear was in a lot
of this that because the media is so siloed, because
it is balkanized, and because everybody's in this media bubble

(01:12:35):
generated by algorithms, my fear was that it would be
tougher to break through. And it is to some extent.
But when you have something like the White House, that
kind of bully pulpit, that is wanting to expand access
to that bully pulpit rather than contract it, like a

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lot of dots, lots of folks do. That's remark that's
remarkable Okay, now Joe's saying hope was Obama? Come on?
K uh. Yeah. He also had a Bob the Builder
campaign slogan. Okay, I'm not you know, the hopey thing. Yeah,

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not so much, not so much. But I will say
that Bill Clinton did ask for my phone number at
the Nixon funeral. Yes, at the Dick What at the
Nixon funeral?

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
No way, kid, you not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
And Hillary was about ten steps behind. She didn't like
me very much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Hey, kay, you want to give me give me them digits?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, basically. Yeah. And what was really funny. I was
running a campaign where we were running ads because we
were ignoring our opponent. We were running ads called the
Whitewater Update. And back in that time, you could not
just you know, send the ad to the radio stations.
I had to for all all the radio stations in

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the state of Texas. Think about that for a minute.
Every day we had to record, we had to get
the information from our friends in the Whitewater Committee, record
an ad, and then fed X that night. So we
played the Whitewater Update every day. And I'm telling you so,
I'm sitting there thinking, does he know that I'm running
ads against him? Right now? All over the state of Texas,

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and this is not good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I right, my wife. Her reaction to him asking for
your number is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yes. But I'll tell you, Jill the funny thing. He
has charisma that would knock you over. I mean, Barack
Obama does too. Reagan did too. But I'm but it
wasn't okay, Jill won't understand, and the ladies will understand
what I'm saying here. His charisma was a different thing.
It was that guy you would meet in a bar

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who has their shirt open all the way to the
way and gold chains everywhere. You kind of get that
red light in the back of your head going, warning, warning, Robinson.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Yeah, non have to change my bar attire. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I can't imagine you'll whatever let you dress like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
No way, no way. Look, people, Joe says, people push
him back into the water when he goes to the beach.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Oh my god, did is he surprised? Is he surprised?
So I was the one being pushed into the pool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
But that's just me, Okay, okay, listen, I am so
freaking grateful to Queen Anti Commie introducing Oh my god,
and she she's like, you've got to have her on
your show, and so I'm so grateful that I've met
you and we've become friends.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And I know you have an interesting story too. I
want to make sure you come on our so I
can pep, I can interview you. And I'm not an
easy interviewer. Just tell me I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Would I would be I'd be honored and I'd be
absolutely honored. And I'm not easy to interview either. So
there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Give me a challenge, honey, Yeah, I can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
So listen. I want everybody watching, everybody listening on the
podcast networks. I want you to go to x and
follow Kay and her handle on x and for those
of you that don't know, they have been living under
a rock. X is formerly known as Twitter and it's

(01:16:38):
at daily d a l y Tweet is her handle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Sometimes I'm even interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
You're very interesting. And look, my wife just said, Kay,
you are awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Oh Jill, you guys have to come down and play.
It's beautiful here. Come on back. We can have a
good old time solve the problems of the world. You know,
have a table here that you guys have to see
where we solve the problem of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Oh my god, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
The table and it's right here where you see that.
God razy, So it's really cool. We have tons of
friends who come down and you and Jill need to
come down and play.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
That's awesome. I'm in, I'm in. We have a fourteen
we have a fourteen year old and a nineteen year old.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Absolutely, I have a twenty three year old, a twenty
one year old, and a seventeen year old. She's seventeen
going on thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
So wow, that's awesome to come down too. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
They have a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Well, so listen, you've said it publicly now, and you
said it like three or four times publicly, so we're
going to have to do it. We're going to have
to do it. Kay, You're awesome. Thank you for insting
your time today and sharing with everybody. I really I

(01:18:02):
want you to give one last thirty seconds. Pretend for
one moment that all of a sudden, you have a
microphone in your hand and you literally have the attention
of all eight and a half billion people on planet
Earth and they can all hear your message all at
the same time. What are you going to say to

(01:18:24):
everybody on the planet because it is Yes, it's America first,
but we live on a global We live on a planet,
and it's just, at least for now, it's all we have.
So what do you have to say?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It doesn't cost anything to be kind to each other
and stop and think you don't necessarily know what's going
on in someone else's world. Don't make assumptions about things
you hear, read, or see. Father used to always say,

(01:19:02):
it's not what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know that ain't so. And you have
to if you're in the political game in particular, there
used to be a time when Democrats and Republicans actually
got along. It actually did remarkable work together. Doesn't always happen.
The business has changed. But you shouldn't need an attorney

(01:19:23):
on speed dial to get your goals done. Because you're
in a coalition. It doesn't mean that you're giving up
your own personal north star beliefs. If you work with
a coalition and you negotiate how you get to those goals.

(01:19:44):
I would rather have someone who agrees with me fifty
percent of the time and isn't trying to destroy me
getting to the goals that someone who is eighty percent
of the time and wants to have an ideological purity test.
Hope is that folks will stop and think before they tweet,

(01:20:04):
that they will stop and think. Is this something that
the left wants us to do, to divide, to be distracted,
to be demotivated, or does this further? Does what I
am doing now further us and get us to the goal,
which is a successful Trump administration? Yeah, just a thought,
stop and think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Amen, ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, gentleman Joe Joe, Ladies and gentlemen.
The inimitable k daily Ka, thank you so much. In collegible.
Follow kay at daily tweet, da l wide at daily

(01:20:46):
tweet on x follow her, listen to her, Go join
her podcast along with Nikki. Go go be involved in
what she's doing. As you can tell, the woman is
absolutely brilliant. My wife wants you to repeat your grandfather's quote.
He wants to write it down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
It's not what you know that gets you into trouble,
it's what you know that ain't. So that's Texas wisdom
for you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Think he may have gotten it from Will Rogers, but.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
It works, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
It works. No, Jill, you are a delight. Joe, you
are wonderful. Nicky, you're my sister and everybody else. Thank
you so much for tuning in. And I do answer questions,
so you know, feel free to you know, d me questions.
I'm not all crazed about that. And Ken, I cannot
thank you enough for the opportunity. And I'm going to

(01:21:45):
get you on an interview you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I can't wait. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I'm tough.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, you'll you'll. I think you'll be nice. All right, listen, everybody,
have an awesome day. Follow Kay. When that rhymed and
it wasn't intentional, but go follow Kay right now and
we'll see you guys on X. Have an awesome day.
Thank you, and Kay stay with me. Don't go. It's

(01:22:14):
gonna feel like I left, but I promise I'll be back.
We will see you guys later. Have an awesome day.
Thank you, Kay, Thank you, see you guys. Bye bye