April 29, 2021 • 26 mins
Pregnancy is both exciting and confusing, especially if you’re a first-time mom-to-be. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the labor and delivery part of the action and many moms spend so much time focusing on bringing baby into the world that they forget about the rest. But once the delivery is done and you have a new little love in your hands, absolutely everything changes.
For many moms, one of the most time-consuming and all-encompassing postpartum tasks is breastfeeding. A newborn baby feeds every two to three hours, eight to 12 times a day, around the clock. For the ill-prepared, this new schedule can come as a bit of a shock to the system. So what can moms do to get ready for the demands of breastfeeding? That’s what we are going to talk about today.
Our guest for this episode is Albany, New York-based IBCLC Patty Lane. Patty has been an IBCLC for over 25 years and has a special place in her heart helping parents on their breastfeeding journey.
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does it worried about it getting paid right
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Hi, Patti.
Patty Lane (00:40):
Hi. How are you?
Good. How are you? This looksvery official.
Amanda Gorman (00:45):
I know. I know.
I didn't make it happen. It'sChelsea next to me. She made.
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Hi Chelsea.
Patty Lane (00:55):
Oh, can you hear me?
Yeah, can Hi. How are ya? Good.
It's nice to meet you in person.
Here. I'm just like hiding overin the corner.
Yeah, that's okay. Don't Yeah,we can we can fiddle with that
later.
Amanda Gorman (01:11):
Oh, yeah. The cameras up there. It's very
confusing here. Chelsea has.
Well, she has a little boy athome. But she has a three week
little girl that
Patty Lane (01:19):
just arrived. Is she with you? know, she's not just
the pump. She's not okay.
We'd rather be able to keep herquiet.
Oh, I know. I know. Well, that'sreality, right?
Amanda Gorman (01:32):
I said that. I was like, Oh, yeah.
Patty Lane (01:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's hard to, you know,
me. I'd be like, you can pickthe baby up?
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Amanda Gorman (01:46):
you very much.
Patty Lane (01:47):
Oh, yeah, I think I, you know, I have lots of notes.
So you'll probably see me likelooking down at my notes. So I
don't forget anything. I had, Iwas wondering about like I have,
when you say what tips, I have,like 12 tips. And then I
thought, like, I could say the12 tips. And then we can kind of
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go back and talk about each ofthem. Or I could just say them
and talk about each one. What doyou think? Let me say?
Amanda Gorman (02:20):
Why don't you tell me like, were you just
going to read like the list?
Patty Lane (02:26):
I could I could do either,
Amanda Gorman (02:28):
you know, say or and give me your input. But I
was gonna say, maybe read thelist, but tell me which ones to
say. Tell me about this one.
Okay.
Patty Lane (02:38):
Okay. Um,
Amanda Gorman (02:42):
how to do down and go into more depth on
Patty Lane (02:49):
it just time, right?
So we're just looking at time,and I don't want to get it Don't
wait. That's the tough part.
Right? It's because I don't wantto get so what we can do is why
don't we try to do just likeHaskell s and then at the end,
we'll look at our time and thenI'll and then at the end, you
can do that. Any other tips youwant to share? And then we can
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kind of see how we go. What doyou think? Okay, so I'm gonna
number two, we may never get toany other question.
Right? Right. Right. Cuz that'swhat I was thinking. So I'm
gonna eliminate like, I'mrooming in because one would
hope that everybody's doingthat. Um, but it's like early
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and often breastfeed suit afterthe birth, breast milk only no
bottles, no pacifier, skin toskin. And then there are other
the other things we're going tobe routine exams. Like, with the
baby, you know, in my presence,or you know, mom holding the
baby rooming in asked for helppump if you don't nurse within
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the first two hours. So thosethings can we cannot we don't
have to talk about those.
Hey, why don't you just keepthem. And so then if we look at
time, and we're at like, youknow, 26 minutes, and we have
time, then I can go and I cansay let me and I can give her
the thumbs up and she'll go.
That's amazing. before we letyou go, Patty, any other tips
you think people need to know?
Okay, perfect. Yeah. And if wedon't have time, then we just
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won't. Okay, that sounds sounds
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good.
Patty Lane (04:19):
So just to go over the quick like 411 that we
totally talked about this on thephone, but I know you and I
talked about a month ago. Sojust to refresh. This is
supposed to be fun, cool, casualchat amongst girlfriends so that
people who are listening feellike they're not really being
told what to do. But they justso happen to like have a best
friend who knows aboutbreastfeeding. So we're
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recording we're not live. So ifat any point you say something
that you're not comfortablewith, it can always be edited
out. So don't worry aboutanything at all that should it's
all going to be you know if thisis going to run in about a
month's time, so it's not halfit's not going on as we're
talking so don't worry aboutthat. Okay, midway through
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Amanda, we'll talk aboutbreaking for commercial, she'll
stay. She'll say, stay with us.
She'll be quiet for a fewseconds, and then she'll jump
right back in. We Okay, we'llfill in later. Okay, so that's
that's that. And then if you'rerunning over on time I make
questions and send Amanda alittle note that just says, skip
this, skip this. So if we doskip some questions, it's
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probably just means that we'regoing over on time. Okay. But
other than that, there's notgoing to be any curveballs or
anything like that. Just havefun. Like I said, just you know,
pretending like it's a friendasked me asking the questions,
and I think this will be a greatepisode. So let's do it
when you guys always fight if ifI say something, and and I like,
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Oh, no, I shouldn't have saidthat. Should I stop at that
point, or just keep going?
You can stop and you can say tome, like, Oh, I didn't want to
say that. Can we?
Okay, okay. Okay.
But if it's something like astumble or along those lines,
don't worry about it. Okay, Iwant you to sound super polish
and like, rehearsing we want youto just sound like the real
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deal. So okay, you know, don'tbe worried if it's like you miss
a word or something. Okay, Iwant it to seem as if it's off
the cuff. Okay. Like friends howthey would people would normally
talk, you know? Okay, awesome.
Okay, sounds good. You ready togo, Amanda?
I think so. save the
Unknown (06:27):
best for last.
Amanda Gorman (06:32):
[Intro] Hello there mamas and mamas-to-be, and
thank you for joining us foranother episode of Breastfeeding
Unplugged. I'm your host AmandaGorman. And today we're going to
talk about how earlybreastfeeding preparation can
really set you up for successwhen it's time for baby to be
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welcomed into the world.
Pregnancy is both exciting andconfusing, especially if you're
a first time mom to be. It'seasy to get wrapped up in the
labor and delivery part of theaction. And many moms spend so
much time focusing upon bringingbaby into the world that they
forget about the rest. But oncethe delivery is done, and you
have in your hand, absolutelyeverything changes. For many
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moms one of the most timeconsuming and all encompassing
postpartum tasks isbreastfeeding. A newborn baby
feeds every two to three hours10 to 12 times a day around the
clock. And for the ill prepared,the schedule can come as quite a
shock to the system. So what canmoms do to get ready for the
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demands of breastfeeding? That'swhat we're going to talk about
today.
Please join me in welcoming ourguests for this episode, Albany,
New York based IBCLC Miss PattyLane. Patty has been an IBCLC
for over 25 years and has aspecial place in her heart
helping parents on theirbreastfeeding journey. Patty
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works with moms and babiesthrough La Leche League, private
practice, online support supportgroups, the New York State WIC
program and with us at NestCollaborative. Patty has
authored several pieces ofbreastfeeding literature,
trained numerous staff at theNew York State WIC Training
Center, and was part of thesteering committee for the New
York State BreastfeedingCoalition. Welcome Patty. It is
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really great to have you withus.
Patty Lane (08:23):
Thanks, Amanda. I'm so happy to be here.
Amanda Gorman (08:26):
Awesome. Well, we are so excited for today's show.
And I'd love to start by justhearing a bit about your story
and how you got involved inbreastfeeding education as a
career.
Patty Lane (08:36):
Thanks. Well, long before I had my first baby, I
knew that I had wanted tobreastfeed because I had heard
about all the health benefits ofit. And mostly that it was free.
I was thinking like, whywouldn't you do this if it's
free. So when I was pregnantwith my first a good friend gave
me a copy of a book called TheWomanly Art of Breastfeeding.
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And it's a La Leche League book,which I read cover to cover. And
initially, I had some challengeswith breastfeeding. And I worked
through them with the help of alactation consultant that we had
through our health care. And,um, you know, I got through all
those problems, and we were justsailing along and then when she
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was about four months old, I gotreally sick. And I required a
medication that I was told wasnot compatible with
breastfeeding. So it reallythrew me and I had no idea what
to do. And someone suggested Icall La Leche League. So I did
and not only did they tell me, Icould continue to breastfeed,
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you know, they helped me throughand, you know, I took the
medication and I was able to,you know, pump and discard some
milk and get right back tobreastfeeding. And the leader
was just so helpful. I startedto go to meetings. And then
shortly after I became a LaLeche League leader. So that was
the beginning of mybreastfeeding bug. And then I
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went on to becomeinternationally board certified.
So I've been doing this for avery long time. And you'll hear
my enthusiasm about moms andbabies and breastfeeding.
Amanda Gorman (10:17):
Well, thank you so much. And, and we know, you
know, all of our team membersare enthusiastic. But you know,
I'm really continuous,continuously impressed with
those of you that have beenpracticing for so long, because
it is very evident. All thatyou've learned and offer to our
moms. So we're really excited.
And thank you for sharing thatstory. We love having you as a
consultant with our NestCollaborative, so I'm happy that
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you're here for today's show,which is all about prenatal
breastfeeding prep, which weboth know is absolutely crucial
to early feeding success. Solet's jump right in. Based on
your experience, what shouldwomen do before baby comes to
prepare for breastfeeding?
Patty Lane (11:01):
No, the best advice I could give a woman is to learn
as much as you can aboutbreastfeeding. The more that you
know, it'll be easier for you.
And you'll have a better idea ofwhat to expect. It's empowering
yourself with lots ofinformation. I also suggest that
pregnant women meet with alactation expert prenatally. You
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can do this through yourprovider, through the hospital,
um if you're having a hospitalbirth through a class or a
group. And right here with NestCollaborative. We love talking
with moms prenatally aboutbreastfeeding. And then, you
know, we follow with them,follow up when they have their
baby. Definitely family andfriends. You know, you got to be
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careful about family and friendsthough, because they always want
to tell you their horrorstories. But that's, you know,
it's it's a place to start withtalking with them. The main
thing you want to learn about isthe importance of breastfeeding.
And you know why, why you'rechoosing to do this and think
about that. I encourage women totalk with their their healthcare
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provider, your OB, or yourmidwife about your plans to
breastfeed. Educate yourpartner, you need that support.
So bring your partner in on, on,you know, the classes and the
information that that you'regetting, you may want to attend
a La Leche League meeting. Welove it when women come when
they're pregnant. But it's aboutcreating that support system. I
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say it's about having abreastfeeding cheerleader, you
know, think about who that canbe. Maybe it's your mom, your
sister, maybe it's NestCollaborative. And you want to
know that breastfeeding isnatural. It's a natural thing,
but it doesn't comeinstinctively. You know, in past
generation skills and techniquetechniques were passed from one
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generation to the next. Girlsgrew up watching their moms and
their aunts breastfeeding. It'sa little bit different now. You
know, we've lost some of that.
So, but there are people outthere that want to help you with
with your breastfeeding journey.
Amanda Gorman (13:11):
Yeah, absolutely think- things are quite
different than they were decadesago. And and you're absolutely
right. The research says thatthat has directly impacted
success rates. What what tipscan help get a new mom started
on the right foot withbreastfeeding once baby does
come?
Patty Lane (13:31):
So I think the best thing to do is to have a plan.
And if you are the person whohas a birth plan, you definitely
want to include breastfeeding inthat in that plan. Consider
writing it down, you know, talkto your partner about it. I
always say when you're whenyou're giving birth, you can't
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really fight for your rights,you can't really fight for what
you want, you know, you need tohave somebody with you that can
say this is what she wants tohappen, you know, with with
breastfeeding, it's it's thesame thing, you're in a very
vulnerable state. So you justwant to have a plan.
Amanda Gorman (14:09):
I love it. When is the best time to start
planning to breastfeed?
Patty Lane (14:15):
So I often say um, you know, whenever whenever you
want, you know, you may be aplanner, I was one of those
people that planned everythingout. So I started thinking about
it very early, but definitely bythe by that third trimester. You
know, when you're starting toget ready for baby, you need to
think about what you're going todo when that baby actually gets
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here.
Amanda Gorman (14:38):
Great. So what questions should a mom-to-be be
asking her provider. Her, youknow, OB or midwife about
breastfeeding?
Patty Lane (14:47):
I would say they want to ask how they support
breastfeeding. What are they-what do they have in their
practice for moms in terms oflactation support um and asking
questions like (15:01):
Can I room-in with my baby? Can I keep my baby
with me on just all of thethings that you're including in
your plan. And we can talk alittle bit about things to
include in your plan.
Amanda Gorman (15:18):
So you just talked about room-in. Can you
explain what that is?
Patty Lane (15:22):
That's really keeping your baby in your room
with you in the hospital. Andnot only do you deserve that,
after all you've been through,you know, through that
pregnancy, it's not always it'snot always a picnic. And, and
that birth so you can get toknow your baby, and understand
how your baby's communicatingwhen when they're hungry when
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they're tired when they want tobe in your arm. So, so
definitely um keep your babywith you. And most most
hospitals and birthing centersare doing that now.
Amanda Gorman (15:55):
And is rooming in beneficial for the breastfeeding
relationship?
Patty Lane (15:59):
Absolutely, because one of the things we talk about
is breastfeeding your babyearly, like as soon after the
birth as you can. And thenoften. So and you know, often,
as you said in the beginning,you know, you're you're nursing
your baby, eight to 12 times ina 24 hour period. That's about
every two hours. So you wantyour baby there and new babies,
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then there's more often. Youknow, when they're in utero, all
their needs are being met.
They're getting all their foodthrough the umbilical cord, and
all of a sudden, they're-they're in the world and they're
hungry. So we want to um, youknow, their, their stomachs are
really tiny, we want to keepthem well nourished in the
beginning. And that's where that10 to 12 times comes in. And
that's the importance of havingyour baby near you in the
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hospital.
Amanda Gorman (16:49):
That is super helpful to know. This is all
really fantastic information forfor moms. And I think a lot of
this prep really sets them upfor an ideal breastfeeding
relationship. We we are going totake a really quick break and
we'll be right back to ask youPatty some more questions in
just two minutes. So everyonestay with us.
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Hey, mamas and mamas to be weare back with New York based
IBCLC Patty Lane, take- talkingall about how to get prepped for
breastfeeding before baby comes.
So Patty, I wanted to ask isthere anything a mom to be can
do to get her breasts preparedfor feeding? A lot of people
talk about like toughening upthe nipples. Is this a thing? If
there's other things they shouldbe doing?
Patty Lane (17:42):
That is a great question. Because, um, years
ago, we used to say that towomen that they had to toughen
up their nipples to get ready tobreastfeed. And I don't know
about you, but that soundspretty scary. And that message
came from women who had sorenipples. So it occurred to
somebody that you should getyour nipples ready to
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breastfeed. And again, it's likethat knowledge of how to get a
baby onto the breast with a goodlatch, and getting that support
that you need if you do havesore nipples. Sore nipples are
not a part of breastfeeding. Youknow, if you have- experiencing
any discomfort, you need to gethelp immediately. So no, there's
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nothing you need to do toprepare your nipples for
breastfeeding. You could talk toyour obstetrician, if you have
concerns, any concerns aboutyour breasts or your nipples?
nipples come in all sizes andshapes and some nipples may be
flat or inverted. So you cantalk with your OB, through your
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pregnancy, about that, you know,just say, hey, do my nipples
look, okay, you know, andthey'll and they'll let you
know.
Amanda Gorman (18:54):
Alright, well, what are the breastfeeding
essentials that a mom shouldbuy? Or at least borrow prior to
baby coming?
Patty Lane (19:02):
Well, remember I said it's free, right. And there
are so many things that you canpurchase for breastfeeding.
Breastfeeding has become sopopular, which we love. You
know, many women are initiatingbreastfeeding. But honestly,
there's not a lot of things thatyou do need for breastfeeding.
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But let's talk about a couple ofthings that moms find helpful.
And the first thing that Ialways see when I'm working with
moms is they have abreastfeeding pillow. There's a
great one that I love called MyBreast Friend, and I like that
one over some of the othersbecause it's flatter. So the
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baby's not, you know, curvingand falling in toward mom. It
also allows you to kind of haveyour hands free. You know, I've
seen moms use it and they cankind of you know have their
phone in their in their hands.
Not in the beginning, but onceyou get comfortable with
breastfeeding. Definitely anursing bra is a good idea. Just
two or three to start with, um,you want one that you can open
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with one hand, because you'llhave your baby in your arm. If
you don't want to wear a bra,you don't have to wear a bra.
Some moms like the breastfeedingcamisoles that they have.
Another thing that I like toencourage women to have is a
really nice cloth baby carrier.
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Because babies like to be closeto mom, and one that you could
breastfeed in is even better. Soany of the cloth carriers that
allow you access to your breast.
Another thing that we hear a lotabout is pumps, breast pumps.
It's wonderful that ourinsurance now covers on the-
covers them. And women can checkinto it. I always say find out
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now while you're pregnant, aboutthe pump that you can get
through your insurance company.
You may not need it in thebeginning. If you're going back
to work, it's very helpful tohave a pump, but it's nice to
have it on hand. And then if youhad you know a baby that was a
preemie or a baby that's havinga hard time nursing, you have
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it. So definitely check withyour insurance company. The
other things that are not mustsbut are nice to have. They have
great nursing clothing. And if,you know they have slats and
openings so you can nursediscreetly. But think about you
know what clothes you're gonnawear, you know, if you have a
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one piece dress, you're probablynot gonna wear it to your
nursing time. But you know, twopieces are totally fine. But
other than that, you know, maybesome nursing pants, but not a
lot. You don't need a lot.
Amanda Gorman (21:49):
That's helpful.
That is helpful to know. I thinkthe energy and the excitement
can sometimes lead to overclicking on Amazon, too.
Patty Lane (21:58):
Yeah. That's for sure. That's for sure.
Amanda Gorman (22:03):
So how about for the moms who have breastfed
before? Should they expect asimilar experience with their
next baby?
Patty Lane (22:11):
Well, the good news is, um, if it's if it was not a
great experience, every new babyis a new opportunity. At- that
baby is not going to be likeyour first one or your third one
or your second one, every babyis completely different. So your
body is, you know, acting as ifthey've never nursed this baby
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before, obviously. But if youhave had other babies and have
breastfed, we know that mom'smilk may come in quicker as the
milk supply increases. And shemay have less engorgement. So
it's actually a little biteasier to nurse your your second
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or third or fourth or fifthbaby. But we- you know, every
baby is different. Butdefinitely It doesn't mean you
cannot nurse the next baby. Giveit a try. Absolutely.
Amanda Gorman (23:05):
Now, what about conversely, should a mom presume
that if she had a successfulexperience the first time that
it will likely be an easy gowith the next baby?
Patty Lane (23:15):
I like to think so.
Yeah, you know, because shefigured it out and she hasn't
had any problems. She willprobably have no, no bumps along
the way. Although she could likeI said every baby is different.
I say, you know, I wish they allcame with owner's manuals,
because they're all sodifferent. Wouldn't that be
nice? Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (23:39):
So, um, this chat has been really interesting. And
I can absolutely see why momsshould get themselves ready to
breastfeed while they are stillpregnant. I know it can be hard
to focus on anything other thanthe labor and delivery, but
you've given us about 100reasons why moms need to and
it's really been such a pleasureto have you with us. But, you
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know, do you have any last tipsor any need to knows that you
can share from your wealth ofexperience?
Patty Lane (24:08):
Absolutely. You know, some some things that I
would like moms or moms-to-be toremember is, early and often,
soon after the birth, and everytwo hours. All your baby needs
is breast milk. We want to avoidbottles and pacifiers. Do skin
to skin. Skin to skin is thebest you definitely want to do
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it in that first hour or twofollowing the birth and ask for
help. Ask for help. There shouldbe lactation consultants in the
hospital. As I said, we're hereat Nest Collaborative. I've
often said to moms, you know,here's my number, take it with
you to the hospital, give me acall if you if you have a
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problem. If it's you know,midnight, there may not be a
lactation consultant there. Youknow, try to limit your visitors
and enjoy that time on gettingto know your baby. Lots of skin
to skin. You know it's it'sreally is a- an incredible time
that you will not get back, youknow. So enjoy those those
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moments with your with yourbrand new baby.
Amanda Gorman (25:19):
So skin to skin, can you break that down for moms
who may not have heard that termbefore?
Patty Lane (25:25):
Perfect. Yeah, skin to skin is when mom has her
shirt off, or her shirt open. Soshe has nothing, you know, no
bra or if it is it's, it'stotally open so the baby has
access to the breast. And babyis in a diaper only. If it's a
new baby in the hospital, youcan keep that that hat on to
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keep the baby nice and warm. Andwe can put a blanket over mom
and baby. But what we know ismom's body will actually heat up
to warm her baby. When babiesare skin to skin, they will
often find the breast and latchon their own. And when that
happens, mom has lessbreastfeeding problems. Um we
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know that when babies are skinto skin with mom, following the
birth, they're more comfortable,there's less crying, their blood
sugar levels are better. And italso calms mom down. You know,
because she's she's got herbaby, right there skin to skin.
Even with the C section, you canstill have your baby up on your
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up on your chest. And I've alsoseen lots of information about
the partner doing skin to skin.
You know the partner's body willactually warm up and keep that
baby warm. So it's it's a- plus,it's really awesome to do.
Amanda Gorman (26:50):
So you bring up someone that we really should
just talk about before we go.
What tips would you have fordads or partners to be able to
prepare for their partnerbreastfeeding in the home?
Patty Lane (27:05):
That's such a great question. Because you know, so
often we hear moms talk abouthow the partner feels left out.
And there are so many thingsthat the partner can do to be to
feel included. And definitelythe number one thing is to
support mom. I love it when I'mworking with with a woman and
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her partner's there becausemom's tired, she may not be able
to remember everything. But thepartner can also be involved
with the baby. They can helpwith positioning, they can help
with diapering, rocking,bathing. They can lightly bounce
the baby when the baby's fussy,and hold that baby skin to skin.
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If mom is doing a lot ofpumping, dads can help with
that, you know those pump partsneed to be cleaned. So there are
a lot of ways to include thatpartner. And I think the number
one thing for the partner is tooffer words of encour-
encouragement for that mom, likeyou got this, we can do this.
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Oh, look at that babyswallowing. Because we don't get
enough encouragement. And, youknow, new moms really need that.
Amanda Gorman (28:23):
Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, Iremember, you know, no, I do
remember my husband, one of thegreatest gifts he did in support
was just bringing me that glassof water-
Patty Lane (28:33):
Yes.
Amanda Gorman (28:33):
Everytime I sat down. And that might be a you
know, kind of a last a last tipto touch on is, you know, a
breastfeeding station or kind ofthinking ahead of time of of
where your spot might be in thehouse. And so what makes a
breastfeeding spot a good one?
And what should moms plan tohave available in their spot.
Patty Lane (28:57):
I loved that advice when I was a new mom. I hadn't
thought about it before I had mybaby and then I would be sitting
with the baby in my arms and Icouldn't reach anything. So you
want to have what you needwithin your reach. So definitely
your water or another beverageif you'd like a snack is always
nice. You're burning lots ofcalories when you're nursing. If
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you'd like your cell phonenearby, the TV remote, a book to
flip through, you will be ableto do this one handed, maybe not
right away. But you you will.
You may want some some nursingpads and a burp cloth. I had one
mom that used to have a basketbecause she had other children
and she said you know I wasmoving around the house. So I
(29:40):
had my little nursing basket. SoI had everything I needed. And
it you know, but definitely thewater. And that's a good thing
for partners to do. Why? Becauseyou're thirsty. You don't need
water to make milk but you'rethirsty.
Amanda Gorman (29:58):
Yeah, it is quite a phenomenon. You know, and I'll
add one little tidbit is Inever- I underestimated the
importance of a foot prop.
Patty Lane (30:07):
Yes.
Amanda Gorman (30:08):
I didn't understand why they made nursing
stools until I actually used oneonce and thought, Oh, well, they
make this for a reason.
Patty Lane (30:16):
Yeah, there's the small stools. I actually, you
would laugh, I have one under myfeet right now. Because you
know, I haven't used it fornursing in a while, but it's
great under your desk. It justbrings your knees up and when
you're nursing, it brings babyin, in closer.
Amanda Gorman (30:32):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, Patti, this chat has beenreally interesting. And I
absolutely know and understandwhy it's important to let moms
know how to get themselves readyto breastfeed while they're
still pregnant. You know, it wasreally fun to hear you. If
listeners do want to get intouch with you or book a
consultation or ask questions,what is the best way to do that?
Patty Lane (30:52):
Definitely through Nest Collaborative. I'm there
and scheduling appointments withmoms. And you know, I love, love
working with moms. It's it'sjust been been a special
privilege to have theopportunity to help moms in this
awesome time of their life.
Amanda Gorman (31:12):
Well, now the privilege is ours that we get to
have you on our team. So we'rereally thrilled. Mamas if, you
know, we hope that you learnedas much as we did, and we're
really appreciative that we canbe a little part of your
breastfeeding journey. Asalways, this show is produced
just for you. So if you do havea question, a topic idea, or
just want to send some feedbackour way, please find us on
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Facebook or Instagram at s-@breastfeedingunplugged, or on
our website atBreastfeedingunplugged.com. If
you're loving the show, pleasegive us a review on the podcast
platform of your choice to helpus get in front of more mamas
just like you. But until nextweek, it's me Amanda wishing you
lots of luck as you navigate thewild world of motherhood. Boo
(31:55):
bye. [Outro]
Patty Lane (31:59):
that's a wrap. Oh my gosh, I there were so many
things. I was going to say thatI didn't.
Unknown (32:07):
That's okay. You
Patty Lane (32:09):
know, I don't know.
I'm like, I hope.
I hope we got everything. And Iyou know, I had like a whole
bunch of things about the healthcare provider,
Amanda Gorman (32:19):
ad libbed at the end, but I think it went really
well. I know, I hope you
Patty Lane (32:23):
can piece this together. Chelsea? Yeah. Yeah,
don't
Amanda Gorman (32:28):
you know, listen, I had never done one of these
before. So um, you know, it tookme a minute, but I think you did
just fine. So
Patty Lane (32:37):
it's funny when I when I train for for the, you
know, when I train with staff,we always have designs, and I'm
the trainer that my co trainersalways like, what are you doing?
You're like completely off, youknow, in left field, or you're
ahead of yourself? Could youjust follow the design? That's
exactly what I did. I didn'tfollow this.
Amanda Gorman (32:58):
You know what, but following it, you know, that
sometimes comes across boring,more dynamic when,
Patty Lane (33:04):
you know, I'm looking back, I hope I was gonna
I could have talked aboutclassroom, but that's okay. And
I was, you know, I was listeningto of course, the other
podcasts. And I think, you know,it's like, we don't want to
repeat a lot of the same or butof course, it's okay to repeat.
But if people listen, they'll,you know, they would get great
information from all of them.
Amanda Gorman (33:27):
I hope so. I mean, right. Before we we
brought you on, we were lookingat kind of the statistics they
send us. And as Chelsea noted,we're not really doing any
promotion for this. And but wehave over 1000 downloads.
Patty Lane (33:41):
So that's Oh, wow.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Yeah, I was one mom that I wastalking to today. I was telling
her to go on. And listen,especially the one about the
tongue tie. Because she had
Amanda Gorman (33:55):
no thank you. In fact, in a Chelsea said she's
for I guess we have somereviews. But she goes, you could
have your ibclcs going in, likegive some star reviews. That'll
boost it a little.
Patty Lane (34:05):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely Yeah, I can we can do
that
Amanda Gorman (34:08):
we should definitely do to me that we
should have when the teams arebooking the prenatal
appointments with particularlythe ones that are on the phone
with her texting, they shouldalso just say, hey, by the way,
if you look across, we have oneout there. Yeah,
Patty Lane (34:21):
I mean, I think it's so it is just so helpful. The
moms are so lucky.
Unknown (34:28):
No,
Patty Lane (34:28):
I think what you said, Patti, is that, you know,
as much as you don't want torepeat things, you have to
repeat things because I'm inthis right now, like literally
in it. So it's like and I'vebeen This is my second so it's
not as new but when you're afirst time Mom, it's like
there's so many things to knowand remember, so yeah, you don't
hear the same thing a few times.
It's totally overwhelming andeach individual episode, like I
(34:52):
had a whole bunch of ideas forthe next ones but it's like each
individual episode. There's soThey're such as like, they even
take little tiny pieces of everlike I was going to tell him me
and about like, injuries,breastfeeding injuries because
when I had my first I had tohave surgery for hobos, or
whatever it's called, oh,declarants Yeah. There's this
(35:13):
whole like thing that you coulddo with the with a PT about,
like avoiding breastfeeding,because you see women and
they're all hunched over. Right.
Right. Yeah. All the things.
That was one of the things thatI am like always mm, like
sitting up straighter. Butthere's so many little nuances
of like, yes, you and how to doit. So I think it doesn't matter
(35:33):
if something's some one. ibclcsays the same thing as another
because you have to hear it afew times. Because you have so
much information coming at you.
Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.
And I and Mother Brain, right.
Right. Is and lack of sleep, youknow, all those things.
Unknown (35:51):
I mean, and I
Patty Lane (35:52):
wasn't sleeping prenatally because I right?
Yeah, I would
Amanda Gorman (35:55):
get up re like three or four. And I would watch
the reruns of
Unknown (36:00):
Oh, no, no, this
Amanda Gorman (36:02):
is even worse of a baby story on TV. Oh, yeah.
Patty Lane (36:05):
Oh, my God, I remember those
Amanda Gorman (36:06):
were how you would wake up to like a woman in
in active labor. And he'd belike, why are you doing this?
And I'm like, I don't know. Ijust watched 18 of them. But
Patty Lane (36:17):
you can't get enough of that. You know?
Yeah,yeah. But I watched a lot of
baby stories. I really thinklike that waking up on is
helping you to get ready for ababy that's gonna wake you up.
Unknown (36:32):
I mean, something was happening. Yeah, it was the baby
waking me up.
Patty Lane (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, I remember doing the same thing.
And then I thought it wasinteresting. Like, the time that
I would wake up was actually thetime like I was, you know, it
went into labor was very cool. Imean, yeah.
Yeah. My husband always teasesme because he says that I sleep
the best with a newborn becauseI'm a terrible, terrible
sleeper. So whenever the babyleaves, as soon as I'm done, I
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crash and I'll sleep reallyhard. Like, can't wake up for
anything for the two or threehours and then get up and do it
again, and then crash again. Andthat to me, like if I like, if I
get to two or three hoursessions, it's like,
unbelievable. So my husband'slike, you're the only sleeps
with a newborn, but I do. Yeah.
(37:17):
It's all that oxytocin? Like,no, that's what I used to. I had
a hard time falling asleep afterI stopped nursing because I was
like, pregnant or nursing for adecade. So then I didn't know
how to fall asleep. You know, itwas it was crazy. You know, and
everybody who's like, well, Isleep the night I just, I just
(37:38):
want to say never. Of course, Idon't.
Amanda Gorman (37:42):
I mean, my Harold's five now, but I I
nursed him till three. And I'mpretty sure he was still doing a
night feed for most of that.
Yeah. And I couldn't you know, Idon't know if it was because he
was my boy or my last but
Patty Lane (37:58):
I didn't care. It works. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to
feel like when I had a new baby,it when it was just baby and me
in the middle of the night. Iloved it. Because I didn't have
any you know, like, leathershoes with the baby again. sad
eyes looking at me. I loved it.
Do you have for? Yes. For Godbless you and Joe for his great
(38:21):
three girls and a boy. Yep. Andtwo grandbabies. Oh, my
goodness. Yeah. They're threeand seven months. Are they close
to you know, they're in RaleighNorth and by Raleigh, North
Carolina.
Amanda Gorman (38:38):
I'm fine. I'm going to rally random I
Patty Lane (38:41):
love that area. Love it.
Amanda Gorman (38:44):
Maybe you I don't know, my parents were not dying
to live close to us. And bearound to help out that much,
really, until the pandemic andnow they've moved here now. I
let them help but at a distancebecause, you know, I never you
know, but I think it's differentfor everyone how much they want
to be around the grandkids.
We're not
Patty Lane (39:04):
I was when when she had when she had her first I was
I took care of him first firstyear. And that was going to be
away. Now. The plan was for meto take care of her second for
six months. But then pan thepandemic hit. And she's like,
it's just not safe. You know?
Because Because that she wantedto send the three year old to
(39:25):
daycare, but I'm finally seeingthem. I'm at a APR one. We're
going down because we're I'vebeen vaccinated and my husband
so yeah,
Amanda Gorman (39:36):
yes. Yeah, we're random. My brother's in
Charleston. And we haven't seenhim in almost two years. So
might we're all vaccinated. So,but it was so expensive to fly
to Charleston, we're flying toRaleigh, because we have friends
in apex.
Patty Lane (39:51):
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right by her. Yep. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (39:54):
So we're going to surprise my daughter who hasn't.
It's her best friend. Then shehasn't seen her in a long time.
Patty Lane (39:59):
Oh, So far yeah, we'll go. Um, she's my
daughter's and Carrie and wedrive it a lot, you know,
because I've done it so manytimes.
Unknown (40:07):
But my
Patty Lane (40:07):
children, Oh, I know. Well, it's kind of boring
to drive just, you know, with myhusband and myself. But it's,
it's good. Yeah, I know. You'reYou know what, Amanda, you're
going to be there before youknow I
Amanda Gorman (40:21):
already they're already they're already growing
up and I can feel like the Yeah,tag a little bit. So I get it.
But
Patty Lane (40:27):
yeah, but hopefully I'll have more grandchildren.
But my my when my grand daughterwas born, the one that seven
months old. My daughter's laborprogress so fast. I caught the
baby. Oh, totally by mistake.
Amanda. were like, did she makeit to the hospital? Oh, no, she
was on the toilet. Oh, yeah. Itwas cool. You're dying to be
(40:49):
with them. It was crazy. Yeah. Ihad, like I had quarantined, and
then I went down like a monthbefore, so I could help her in
that last month, with the youknow, with the two year old. And
the deal, you know, I was like,I'm gonna stay out of your way
when you go into labor. Because,you know, I, if you need me, you
just have to ask. So I heard herand it was during a hurricane.
(41:13):
And her husband was like movingthe car in the garage. So she
didn't have to go out on thewind in the rain. And I heard
her moaning. And my son in lawhad just said he like, here's
the monitor, we're going to begoing soon, you know? And I'm
like, No, I'm going to go in andcrawl into bed with the two year
old. So I hear him. And I heardher moaning. And I'm like, I
just need to give her like a hugand some words of encouragement.
(41:36):
And I go into her, and she's onthe toilet. And I see like, some
blood and I'm like, Oh, I don'tknow about I don't remember
bleeding a lot. But of course,you know, you don't look at
what's going on. So she's reallymoaning. And I'm like, said, Are
you okay? You know, you gotthis, you can do this. And then
I looked at her and I'm like, Ithink you're pushing. And she
(41:57):
goes, I'm really not I'm reallynot doing it. And my son in law
comes back upstairs and he looksat me and he's like, what's
going on? And I mouth call 911he thought I was overreacting.
And, and then and then and thenshe goes, she goes, I feel her
coming. I feel it coming. I'mlike, it's okay, I got her and I
(42:20):
reached down. Guys like him. Itwas crazy. And the whole time
I'm like, Oh, please bebreathing. Please be breathing.
You know, because I I know allthat could go wrong. Thank God.
She was great. And my my otherdaughters have a hard act to
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follow, huh. You know, and thewhole the whole thing very
happy. I know. They weretissues. Genevieve I know we
were That's what she said. She'slike, she really should have
your your name. But um, it wasit was just amazing. And I had
always wanted to have a homebirth. But my husband really
(43:02):
didn't want me do
Unknown (43:05):
so well that put that pressure would have been on him.
Patty Lane (43:08):
I got the hopper, right. That is so cool. It was
cool. It was It was terrifyingand very cool. During the
pandemic, you know, it was inAugust.
Amanda Gorman (43:19):
I was gonna say when he said hurricane cuz I we
were out of power for a reallylong time.
Patty Lane (43:23):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was it was a privilege.
Really?
Amanda Gorman (43:28):
Yes. Oh, my God.
Oh,
Patty Lane (43:30):
yeah. I'll never forget it.
Amanda Gorman (43:32):
Well, I hope we have more time. You know, it's
you, you I was just saying thisto Lori, you know, you came in
during what's been a whirlwind.
And so I hope that we have alittle more fun time like this.
Patty Lane (43:44):
Because Yeah, I know, I was thinking the other
after the last meeting. I'mlike, wouldn't it be cool if we
could all get together at somepoint?
Amanda Gorman (43:50):
I mean, that's ideal. It's probably almost
three years ago. Now. Weactually went this is so nerdy.
We went to a charm conference.
And myself, Joanna. And Ryan,who's not who's not with us now.
But charm put on thisconference. And it was the only
thing I could afford, right?
(44:10):
Yeah. And it was so darn cheap.
It was like $400 for the weekendwith lodging and food.
Patty Lane (44:16):
Oh, fun. Wow. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:18):
This I might be able to swing fress um, and
that's the only time I've metJoanna in person and and I've
met one other time. And don'tget answered. She wants us all
on a Disney Cruise.
Unknown (44:33):
I love it. No, I
Amanda Gorman (44:34):
Oh, is going to be necessary at some point.
Patty Lane (44:36):
Well, you know, the Center for breastfeeding does
like a breastfeeding cruise. Idon't know how but they do.
Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:43):
Yeah. And now we're all going to be putting
post COVID PTSD about cruises. Idon't know. That's
Patty Lane (44:47):
right. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:49):
We were in the Bahamas last year. In early
March, and, um, you know, wewere at the Atlantis where a lot
of cruises con Oh, yes. Sure.
Yeah. It And then the cruiserswould come in and they all had a
wristband and it was very funnythe dirty like that there was
like the resort people and thenlike they would do the cruisers
like Oh, your COVID
Patty Lane (45:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgotten
reasonably again. I don't thinkso. I don't Yeah, I don't think
so. Anyway, all right,
Amanda Gorman (45:19):
let's you go thank great chatting and bill
for this time please and Ishould lorrison Okay,
Unknown (45:25):
I should Lori's different. So okay, cool.
Thank you. Thank you.
Patty Lane (45:28):
I loved it. Thank you. Thanks, Chelsea. Give that
baby a big hug from me.
Unknown (45:33):
I will take care bye bye.
So what I would say is some note to accounting and say
I just want to make sure you'vegot the invoice
Patty Lane (00:24):
forwarded to that. I did. Okay,
Unknown (00:29):
so
Patty Lane (00:31):
does it worried about it getting paid right
away? usually end of the month.
Okay, that was my next question.
Is there a will they Hi.
Unknown (00:39):
Hi, Patti.
Patty Lane (00:40):
Hi. How are you?
Good. How are you? This looksvery official.
Amanda Gorman (00:45):
I know. I know.
I didn't make it happen. It'sChelsea next to me. She made.
Unknown (00:52):
Hi Chelsea.
Patty Lane (00:55):
Oh, can you hear me?
Yeah, can Hi. How are ya? Good.
It's nice to meet you in person.
Here. I'm just like hiding overin the corner.
Yeah, that's okay. Don't Yeah,we can we can fiddle with that
later.
Amanda Gorman (01:11):
Oh, yeah. The cameras up there. It's very
confusing here. Chelsea has.
Well, she has a little boy athome. But she has a three week
little girl that
Patty Lane (01:19):
just arrived. Is she with you? know, she's not just
the pump. She's not okay.
We'd rather be able to keep herquiet.
Oh, I know. I know. Well, that'sreality, right?
Amanda Gorman (01:32):
I said that. I was like, Oh, yeah.
Patty Lane (01:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's hard to, you know,
me. I'd be like, you can pickthe baby up?
Unknown (01:45):
Oh, well, thank
Amanda Gorman (01:46):
you very much.
Patty Lane (01:47):
Oh, yeah, I think I, you know, I have lots of notes.
So you'll probably see me likelooking down at my notes. So I
don't forget anything. I had, Iwas wondering about like I have,
when you say what tips, I have,like 12 tips. And then I
thought, like, I could say the12 tips. And then we can kind of
(02:08):
go back and talk about each ofthem. Or I could just say them
and talk about each one. What doyou think? Let me say?
Amanda Gorman (02:20):
Why don't you tell me like, were you just
going to read like the list?
Patty Lane (02:26):
I could I could do either,
Amanda Gorman (02:28):
you know, say or and give me your input. But I
was gonna say, maybe read thelist, but tell me which ones to
say. Tell me about this one.
Okay.
Patty Lane (02:38):
Okay. Um,
Amanda Gorman (02:42):
how to do down and go into more depth on
Patty Lane (02:49):
it just time, right?
So we're just looking at time,and I don't want to get it Don't
wait. That's the tough part.
Right? It's because I don't wantto get so what we can do is why
don't we try to do just likeHaskell s and then at the end,
we'll look at our time and thenI'll and then at the end, you
can do that. Any other tips youwant to share? And then we can
(03:09):
kind of see how we go. What doyou think? Okay, so I'm gonna
number two, we may never get toany other question.
Right? Right. Right. Cuz that'swhat I was thinking. So I'm
gonna eliminate like, I'mrooming in because one would
hope that everybody's doingthat. Um, but it's like early
(03:30):
and often breastfeed suit afterthe birth, breast milk only no
bottles, no pacifier, skin toskin. And then there are other
the other things we're going tobe routine exams. Like, with the
baby, you know, in my presence,or you know, mom holding the
baby rooming in asked for helppump if you don't nurse within
(03:53):
the first two hours. So thosethings can we cannot we don't
have to talk about those.
Hey, why don't you just keepthem. And so then if we look at
time, and we're at like, youknow, 26 minutes, and we have
time, then I can go and I cansay let me and I can give her
the thumbs up and she'll go.
That's amazing. before we letyou go, Patty, any other tips
you think people need to know?
Okay, perfect. Yeah. And if wedon't have time, then we just
(04:15):
won't. Okay, that sounds sounds
Unknown (04:18):
good.
Patty Lane (04:19):
So just to go over the quick like 411 that we
totally talked about this on thephone, but I know you and I
talked about a month ago. Sojust to refresh. This is
supposed to be fun, cool, casualchat amongst girlfriends so that
people who are listening feellike they're not really being
told what to do. But they justso happen to like have a best
friend who knows aboutbreastfeeding. So we're
(04:41):
recording we're not live. So ifat any point you say something
that you're not comfortablewith, it can always be edited
out. So don't worry aboutanything at all that should it's
all going to be you know if thisis going to run in about a
month's time, so it's not halfit's not going on as we're
talking so don't worry aboutthat. Okay, midway through
(05:01):
Amanda, we'll talk aboutbreaking for commercial, she'll
stay. She'll say, stay with us.
She'll be quiet for a fewseconds, and then she'll jump
right back in. We Okay, we'llfill in later. Okay, so that's
that's that. And then if you'rerunning over on time I make
questions and send Amanda alittle note that just says, skip
this, skip this. So if we doskip some questions, it's
(05:22):
probably just means that we'regoing over on time. Okay. But
other than that, there's notgoing to be any curveballs or
anything like that. Just havefun. Like I said, just you know,
pretending like it's a friendasked me asking the questions,
and I think this will be a greatepisode. So let's do it
when you guys always fight if ifI say something, and and I like,
(05:44):
Oh, no, I shouldn't have saidthat. Should I stop at that
point, or just keep going?
You can stop and you can say tome, like, Oh, I didn't want to
say that. Can we?
Okay, okay. Okay.
But if it's something like astumble or along those lines,
don't worry about it. Okay, Iwant you to sound super polish
and like, rehearsing we want youto just sound like the real
(06:07):
deal. So okay, you know, don'tbe worried if it's like you miss
a word or something. Okay, Iwant it to seem as if it's off
the cuff. Okay. Like friends howthey would people would normally
talk, you know? Okay, awesome.
Okay, sounds good. You ready togo, Amanda?
I think so. save the
Unknown (06:27):
best for last.
Amanda Gorman (06:32):
[Intro] Hello there mamas and mamas-to-be, and
thank you for joining us foranother episode of Breastfeeding
Unplugged. I'm your host AmandaGorman. And today we're going to
talk about how earlybreastfeeding preparation can
really set you up for successwhen it's time for baby to be
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welcomed into the world.
Pregnancy is both exciting andconfusing, especially if you're
a first time mom to be. It'seasy to get wrapped up in the
labor and delivery part of theaction. And many moms spend so
much time focusing upon bringingbaby into the world that they
forget about the rest. But oncethe delivery is done, and you
have in your hand, absolutelyeverything changes. For many
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moms one of the most timeconsuming and all encompassing
postpartum tasks isbreastfeeding. A newborn baby
feeds every two to three hours10 to 12 times a day around the
clock. And for the ill prepared,the schedule can come as quite a
shock to the system. So what canmoms do to get ready for the
(07:35):
demands of breastfeeding? That'swhat we're going to talk about
today.
Please join me in welcoming ourguests for this episode, Albany,
New York based IBCLC Miss PattyLane. Patty has been an IBCLC
for over 25 years and has aspecial place in her heart
helping parents on theirbreastfeeding journey. Patty
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works with moms and babiesthrough La Leche League, private
practice, online support supportgroups, the New York State WIC
program and with us at NestCollaborative. Patty has
authored several pieces ofbreastfeeding literature,
trained numerous staff at theNew York State WIC Training
Center, and was part of thesteering committee for the New
York State BreastfeedingCoalition. Welcome Patty. It is
(08:21):
really great to have you withus.
Patty Lane (08:23):
Thanks, Amanda. I'm so happy to be here.
Amanda Gorman (08:26):
Awesome. Well, we are so excited for today's show.
And I'd love to start by justhearing a bit about your story
and how you got involved inbreastfeeding education as a
career.
Patty Lane (08:36):
Thanks. Well, long before I had my first baby, I
knew that I had wanted tobreastfeed because I had heard
about all the health benefits ofit. And mostly that it was free.
I was thinking like, whywouldn't you do this if it's
free. So when I was pregnantwith my first a good friend gave
me a copy of a book called TheWomanly Art of Breastfeeding.
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And it's a La Leche League book,which I read cover to cover. And
initially, I had some challengeswith breastfeeding. And I worked
through them with the help of alactation consultant that we had
through our health care. And,um, you know, I got through all
those problems, and we were justsailing along and then when she
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was about four months old, I gotreally sick. And I required a
medication that I was told wasnot compatible with
breastfeeding. So it reallythrew me and I had no idea what
to do. And someone suggested Icall La Leche League. So I did
and not only did they tell me, Icould continue to breastfeed,
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you know, they helped me throughand, you know, I took the
medication and I was able to,you know, pump and discard some
milk and get right back tobreastfeeding. And the leader
was just so helpful. I startedto go to meetings. And then
shortly after I became a LaLeche League leader. So that was
the beginning of mybreastfeeding bug. And then I
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went on to becomeinternationally board certified.
So I've been doing this for avery long time. And you'll hear
my enthusiasm about moms andbabies and breastfeeding.
Amanda Gorman (10:17):
Well, thank you so much. And, and we know, you
know, all of our team membersare enthusiastic. But you know,
I'm really continuous,continuously impressed with
those of you that have beenpracticing for so long, because
it is very evident. All thatyou've learned and offer to our
moms. So we're really excited.
And thank you for sharing thatstory. We love having you as a
consultant with our NestCollaborative, so I'm happy that
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you're here for today's show,which is all about prenatal
breastfeeding prep, which weboth know is absolutely crucial
to early feeding success. Solet's jump right in. Based on
your experience, what shouldwomen do before baby comes to
prepare for breastfeeding?
Patty Lane (11:01):
No, the best advice I could give a woman is to learn
as much as you can aboutbreastfeeding. The more that you
know, it'll be easier for you.
And you'll have a better idea ofwhat to expect. It's empowering
yourself with lots ofinformation. I also suggest that
pregnant women meet with alactation expert prenatally. You
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can do this through yourprovider, through the hospital,
um if you're having a hospitalbirth through a class or a
group. And right here with NestCollaborative. We love talking
with moms prenatally aboutbreastfeeding. And then, you
know, we follow with them,follow up when they have their
baby. Definitely family andfriends. You know, you got to be
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careful about family and friendsthough, because they always want
to tell you their horrorstories. But that's, you know,
it's it's a place to start withtalking with them. The main
thing you want to learn about isthe importance of breastfeeding.
And you know why, why you'rechoosing to do this and think
about that. I encourage women totalk with their their healthcare
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provider, your OB, or yourmidwife about your plans to
breastfeed. Educate yourpartner, you need that support.
So bring your partner in on, on,you know, the classes and the
information that that you'regetting, you may want to attend
a La Leche League meeting. Welove it when women come when
they're pregnant. But it's aboutcreating that support system. I
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say it's about having abreastfeeding cheerleader, you
know, think about who that canbe. Maybe it's your mom, your
sister, maybe it's NestCollaborative. And you want to
know that breastfeeding isnatural. It's a natural thing,
but it doesn't comeinstinctively. You know, in past
generation skills and techniquetechniques were passed from one
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generation to the next. Girlsgrew up watching their moms and
their aunts breastfeeding. It'sa little bit different now. You
know, we've lost some of that.
So, but there are people outthere that want to help you with
with your breastfeeding journey.
Amanda Gorman (13:11):
Yeah, absolutely think- things are quite
different than they were decadesago. And and you're absolutely
right. The research says thatthat has directly impacted
success rates. What what tipscan help get a new mom started
on the right foot withbreastfeeding once baby does
come?
Patty Lane (13:31):
So I think the best thing to do is to have a plan.
And if you are the person whohas a birth plan, you definitely
want to include breastfeeding inthat in that plan. Consider
writing it down, you know, talkto your partner about it. I
always say when you're whenyou're giving birth, you can't
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really fight for your rights,you can't really fight for what
you want, you know, you need tohave somebody with you that can
say this is what she wants tohappen, you know, with with
breastfeeding, it's it's thesame thing, you're in a very
vulnerable state. So you justwant to have a plan.
Amanda Gorman (14:09):
I love it. When is the best time to start
planning to breastfeed?
Patty Lane (14:15):
So I often say um, you know, whenever whenever you
want, you know, you may be aplanner, I was one of those
people that planned everythingout. So I started thinking about
it very early, but definitely bythe by that third trimester. You
know, when you're starting toget ready for baby, you need to
think about what you're going todo when that baby actually gets
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here.
Amanda Gorman (14:38):
Great. So what questions should a mom-to-be be
asking her provider. Her, youknow, OB or midwife about
breastfeeding?
Patty Lane (14:47):
I would say they want to ask how they support
breastfeeding. What are they-what do they have in their
practice for moms in terms oflactation support um and asking
questions like (15:01):
Can I room-in with my baby? Can I keep my baby
with me on just all of thethings that you're including in
your plan. And we can talk alittle bit about things to
include in your plan.
Amanda Gorman (15:18):
So you just talked about room-in. Can you
explain what that is?
Patty Lane (15:22):
That's really keeping your baby in your room
with you in the hospital. Andnot only do you deserve that,
after all you've been through,you know, through that
pregnancy, it's not always it'snot always a picnic. And, and
that birth so you can get toknow your baby, and understand
how your baby's communicatingwhen when they're hungry when
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they're tired when they want tobe in your arm. So, so
definitely um keep your babywith you. And most most
hospitals and birthing centersare doing that now.
Amanda Gorman (15:55):
And is rooming in beneficial for the breastfeeding
relationship?
Patty Lane (15:59):
Absolutely, because one of the things we talk about
is breastfeeding your babyearly, like as soon after the
birth as you can. And thenoften. So and you know, often,
as you said in the beginning,you know, you're you're nursing
your baby, eight to 12 times ina 24 hour period. That's about
every two hours. So you wantyour baby there and new babies,
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then there's more often. Youknow, when they're in utero, all
their needs are being met.
They're getting all their foodthrough the umbilical cord, and
all of a sudden, they're-they're in the world and they're
hungry. So we want to um, youknow, their, their stomachs are
really tiny, we want to keepthem well nourished in the
beginning. And that's where that10 to 12 times comes in. And
that's the importance of havingyour baby near you in the
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hospital.
Amanda Gorman (16:49):
That is super helpful to know. This is all
really fantastic information forfor moms. And I think a lot of
this prep really sets them upfor an ideal breastfeeding
relationship. We we are going totake a really quick break and
we'll be right back to ask youPatty some more questions in
just two minutes. So everyonestay with us.
(17:17):
Hey, mamas and mamas to be weare back with New York based
IBCLC Patty Lane, take- talkingall about how to get prepped for
breastfeeding before baby comes.
So Patty, I wanted to ask isthere anything a mom to be can
do to get her breasts preparedfor feeding? A lot of people
talk about like toughening upthe nipples. Is this a thing? If
there's other things they shouldbe doing?
Patty Lane (17:42):
That is a great question. Because, um, years
ago, we used to say that towomen that they had to toughen
up their nipples to get ready tobreastfeed. And I don't know
about you, but that soundspretty scary. And that message
came from women who had sorenipples. So it occurred to
somebody that you should getyour nipples ready to
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breastfeed. And again, it's likethat knowledge of how to get a
baby onto the breast with a goodlatch, and getting that support
that you need if you do havesore nipples. Sore nipples are
not a part of breastfeeding. Youknow, if you have- experiencing
any discomfort, you need to gethelp immediately. So no, there's
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nothing you need to do toprepare your nipples for
breastfeeding. You could talk toyour obstetrician, if you have
concerns, any concerns aboutyour breasts or your nipples?
nipples come in all sizes andshapes and some nipples may be
flat or inverted. So you cantalk with your OB, through your
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pregnancy, about that, you know,just say, hey, do my nipples
look, okay, you know, andthey'll and they'll let you
know.
Amanda Gorman (18:54):
Alright, well, what are the breastfeeding
essentials that a mom shouldbuy? Or at least borrow prior to
baby coming?
Patty Lane (19:02):
Well, remember I said it's free, right. And there
are so many things that you canpurchase for breastfeeding.
Breastfeeding has become sopopular, which we love. You
know, many women are initiatingbreastfeeding. But honestly,
there's not a lot of things thatyou do need for breastfeeding.
(19:24):
But let's talk about a couple ofthings that moms find helpful.
And the first thing that Ialways see when I'm working with
moms is they have abreastfeeding pillow. There's a
great one that I love called MyBreast Friend, and I like that
one over some of the othersbecause it's flatter. So the
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baby's not, you know, curvingand falling in toward mom. It
also allows you to kind of haveyour hands free. You know, I've
seen moms use it and they cankind of you know have their
phone in their in their hands.
Not in the beginning, but onceyou get comfortable with
breastfeeding. Definitely anursing bra is a good idea. Just
two or three to start with, um,you want one that you can open
(20:07):
with one hand, because you'llhave your baby in your arm. If
you don't want to wear a bra,you don't have to wear a bra.
Some moms like the breastfeedingcamisoles that they have.
Another thing that I like toencourage women to have is a
really nice cloth baby carrier.
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Because babies like to be closeto mom, and one that you could
breastfeed in is even better. Soany of the cloth carriers that
allow you access to your breast.
Another thing that we hear a lotabout is pumps, breast pumps.
It's wonderful that ourinsurance now covers on the-
covers them. And women can checkinto it. I always say find out
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now while you're pregnant, aboutthe pump that you can get
through your insurance company.
You may not need it in thebeginning. If you're going back
to work, it's very helpful tohave a pump, but it's nice to
have it on hand. And then if youhad you know a baby that was a
preemie or a baby that's havinga hard time nursing, you have
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it. So definitely check withyour insurance company. The
other things that are not mustsbut are nice to have. They have
great nursing clothing. And if,you know they have slats and
openings so you can nursediscreetly. But think about you
know what clothes you're gonnawear, you know, if you have a
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one piece dress, you're probablynot gonna wear it to your
nursing time. But you know, twopieces are totally fine. But
other than that, you know, maybesome nursing pants, but not a
lot. You don't need a lot.
Amanda Gorman (21:49):
That's helpful.
That is helpful to know. I thinkthe energy and the excitement
can sometimes lead to overclicking on Amazon, too.
Patty Lane (21:58):
Yeah. That's for sure. That's for sure.
Amanda Gorman (22:03):
So how about for the moms who have breastfed
before? Should they expect asimilar experience with their
next baby?
Patty Lane (22:11):
Well, the good news is, um, if it's if it was not a
great experience, every new babyis a new opportunity. At- that
baby is not going to be likeyour first one or your third one
or your second one, every babyis completely different. So your
body is, you know, acting as ifthey've never nursed this baby
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before, obviously. But if youhave had other babies and have
breastfed, we know that mom'smilk may come in quicker as the
milk supply increases. And shemay have less engorgement. So
it's actually a little biteasier to nurse your your second
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or third or fourth or fifthbaby. But we- you know, every
baby is different. Butdefinitely It doesn't mean you
cannot nurse the next baby. Giveit a try. Absolutely.
Amanda Gorman (23:05):
Now, what about conversely, should a mom presume
that if she had a successfulexperience the first time that
it will likely be an easy gowith the next baby?
Patty Lane (23:15):
I like to think so.
Yeah, you know, because shefigured it out and she hasn't
had any problems. She willprobably have no, no bumps along
the way. Although she could likeI said every baby is different.
I say, you know, I wish they allcame with owner's manuals,
because they're all sodifferent. Wouldn't that be
nice? Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (23:39):
So, um, this chat has been really interesting. And
I can absolutely see why momsshould get themselves ready to
breastfeed while they are stillpregnant. I know it can be hard
to focus on anything other thanthe labor and delivery, but
you've given us about 100reasons why moms need to and
it's really been such a pleasureto have you with us. But, you
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know, do you have any last tipsor any need to knows that you
can share from your wealth ofexperience?
Patty Lane (24:08):
Absolutely. You know, some some things that I
would like moms or moms-to-be toremember is, early and often,
soon after the birth, and everytwo hours. All your baby needs
is breast milk. We want to avoidbottles and pacifiers. Do skin
to skin. Skin to skin is thebest you definitely want to do
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it in that first hour or twofollowing the birth and ask for
help. Ask for help. There shouldbe lactation consultants in the
hospital. As I said, we're hereat Nest Collaborative. I've
often said to moms, you know,here's my number, take it with
you to the hospital, give me acall if you if you have a
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problem. If it's you know,midnight, there may not be a
lactation consultant there. Youknow, try to limit your visitors
and enjoy that time on gettingto know your baby. Lots of skin
to skin. You know it's it'sreally is a- an incredible time
that you will not get back, youknow. So enjoy those those
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moments with your with yourbrand new baby.
Amanda Gorman (25:19):
So skin to skin, can you break that down for moms
who may not have heard that termbefore?
Patty Lane (25:25):
Perfect. Yeah, skin to skin is when mom has her
shirt off, or her shirt open. Soshe has nothing, you know, no
bra or if it is it's, it'stotally open so the baby has
access to the breast. And babyis in a diaper only. If it's a
new baby in the hospital, youcan keep that that hat on to
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keep the baby nice and warm. Andwe can put a blanket over mom
and baby. But what we know ismom's body will actually heat up
to warm her baby. When babiesare skin to skin, they will
often find the breast and latchon their own. And when that
happens, mom has lessbreastfeeding problems. Um we
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know that when babies are skinto skin with mom, following the
birth, they're more comfortable,there's less crying, their blood
sugar levels are better. And italso calms mom down. You know,
because she's she's got herbaby, right there skin to skin.
Even with the C section, you canstill have your baby up on your
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up on your chest. And I've alsoseen lots of information about
the partner doing skin to skin.
You know the partner's body willactually warm up and keep that
baby warm. So it's it's a- plus,it's really awesome to do.
Amanda Gorman (26:50):
So you bring up someone that we really should
just talk about before we go.
What tips would you have fordads or partners to be able to
prepare for their partnerbreastfeeding in the home?
Patty Lane (27:05):
That's such a great question. Because you know, so
often we hear moms talk abouthow the partner feels left out.
And there are so many thingsthat the partner can do to be to
feel included. And definitelythe number one thing is to
support mom. I love it when I'mworking with with a woman and
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her partner's there becausemom's tired, she may not be able
to remember everything. But thepartner can also be involved
with the baby. They can helpwith positioning, they can help
with diapering, rocking,bathing. They can lightly bounce
the baby when the baby's fussy,and hold that baby skin to skin.
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If mom is doing a lot ofpumping, dads can help with
that, you know those pump partsneed to be cleaned. So there are
a lot of ways to include thatpartner. And I think the number
one thing for the partner is tooffer words of encour-
encouragement for that mom, likeyou got this, we can do this.
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Oh, look at that babyswallowing. Because we don't get
enough encouragement. And, youknow, new moms really need that.
Amanda Gorman (28:23):
Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, Iremember, you know, no, I do
remember my husband, one of thegreatest gifts he did in support
was just bringing me that glassof water-
Patty Lane (28:33):
Yes.
Amanda Gorman (28:33):
Everytime I sat down. And that might be a you
know, kind of a last a last tipto touch on is, you know, a
breastfeeding station or kind ofthinking ahead of time of of
where your spot might be in thehouse. And so what makes a
breastfeeding spot a good one?
And what should moms plan tohave available in their spot.
Patty Lane (28:57):
I loved that advice when I was a new mom. I hadn't
thought about it before I had mybaby and then I would be sitting
with the baby in my arms and Icouldn't reach anything. So you
want to have what you needwithin your reach. So definitely
your water or another beverageif you'd like a snack is always
nice. You're burning lots ofcalories when you're nursing. If
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you'd like your cell phonenearby, the TV remote, a book to
flip through, you will be ableto do this one handed, maybe not
right away. But you you will.
You may want some some nursingpads and a burp cloth. I had one
mom that used to have a basketbecause she had other children
and she said you know I wasmoving around the house. So I
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had my little nursing basket. SoI had everything I needed. And
it you know, but definitely thewater. And that's a good thing
for partners to do. Why? Becauseyou're thirsty. You don't need
water to make milk but you'rethirsty.
Amanda Gorman (29:58):
Yeah, it is quite a phenomenon. You know, and I'll
add one little tidbit is Inever- I underestimated the
importance of a foot prop.
Patty Lane (30:07):
Yes.
Amanda Gorman (30:08):
I didn't understand why they made nursing
stools until I actually used oneonce and thought, Oh, well, they
make this for a reason.
Patty Lane (30:16):
Yeah, there's the small stools. I actually, you
would laugh, I have one under myfeet right now. Because you
know, I haven't used it fornursing in a while, but it's
great under your desk. It justbrings your knees up and when
you're nursing, it brings babyin, in closer.
Amanda Gorman (30:32):
Oh, my goodness.
Well, Patti, this chat has beenreally interesting. And I
absolutely know and understandwhy it's important to let moms
know how to get themselves readyto breastfeed while they're
still pregnant. You know, it wasreally fun to hear you. If
listeners do want to get intouch with you or book a
consultation or ask questions,what is the best way to do that?
Patty Lane (30:52):
Definitely through Nest Collaborative. I'm there
and scheduling appointments withmoms. And you know, I love, love
working with moms. It's it'sjust been been a special
privilege to have theopportunity to help moms in this
awesome time of their life.
Amanda Gorman (31:12):
Well, now the privilege is ours that we get to
have you on our team. So we'rereally thrilled. Mamas if, you
know, we hope that you learnedas much as we did, and we're
really appreciative that we canbe a little part of your
breastfeeding journey. Asalways, this show is produced
just for you. So if you do havea question, a topic idea, or
just want to send some feedbackour way, please find us on
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Facebook or Instagram at s-@breastfeedingunplugged, or on
our website atBreastfeedingunplugged.com. If
you're loving the show, pleasegive us a review on the podcast
platform of your choice to helpus get in front of more mamas
just like you. But until nextweek, it's me Amanda wishing you
lots of luck as you navigate thewild world of motherhood. Boo
(31:55):
bye. [Outro]
Patty Lane (31:59):
that's a wrap. Oh my gosh, I there were so many
things. I was going to say thatI didn't.
Unknown (32:07):
That's okay. You
Patty Lane (32:09):
know, I don't know.
I'm like, I hope.
I hope we got everything. And Iyou know, I had like a whole
bunch of things about the healthcare provider,
Amanda Gorman (32:19):
ad libbed at the end, but I think it went really
well. I know, I hope you
Patty Lane (32:23):
can piece this together. Chelsea? Yeah. Yeah,
don't
Amanda Gorman (32:28):
you know, listen, I had never done one of these
before. So um, you know, it tookme a minute, but I think you did
just fine. So
Patty Lane (32:37):
it's funny when I when I train for for the, you
know, when I train with staff,we always have designs, and I'm
the trainer that my co trainersalways like, what are you doing?
You're like completely off, youknow, in left field, or you're
ahead of yourself? Could youjust follow the design? That's
exactly what I did. I didn'tfollow this.
Amanda Gorman (32:58):
You know what, but following it, you know, that
sometimes comes across boring,more dynamic when,
Patty Lane (33:04):
you know, I'm looking back, I hope I was gonna
I could have talked aboutclassroom, but that's okay. And
I was, you know, I was listeningto of course, the other
podcasts. And I think, you know,it's like, we don't want to
repeat a lot of the same or butof course, it's okay to repeat.
But if people listen, they'll,you know, they would get great
information from all of them.
Amanda Gorman (33:27):
I hope so. I mean, right. Before we we
brought you on, we were lookingat kind of the statistics they
send us. And as Chelsea noted,we're not really doing any
promotion for this. And but wehave over 1000 downloads.
Patty Lane (33:41):
So that's Oh, wow.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Yeah, I was one mom that I wastalking to today. I was telling
her to go on. And listen,especially the one about the
tongue tie. Because she had
Amanda Gorman (33:55):
no thank you. In fact, in a Chelsea said she's
for I guess we have somereviews. But she goes, you could
have your ibclcs going in, likegive some star reviews. That'll
boost it a little.
Patty Lane (34:05):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely Yeah, I can we can do
that
Amanda Gorman (34:08):
we should definitely do to me that we
should have when the teams arebooking the prenatal
appointments with particularlythe ones that are on the phone
with her texting, they shouldalso just say, hey, by the way,
if you look across, we have oneout there. Yeah,
Patty Lane (34:21):
I mean, I think it's so it is just so helpful. The
moms are so lucky.
Unknown (34:28):
No,
Patty Lane (34:28):
I think what you said, Patti, is that, you know,
as much as you don't want torepeat things, you have to
repeat things because I'm inthis right now, like literally
in it. So it's like and I'vebeen This is my second so it's
not as new but when you're afirst time Mom, it's like
there's so many things to knowand remember, so yeah, you don't
hear the same thing a few times.
It's totally overwhelming andeach individual episode, like I
(34:52):
had a whole bunch of ideas forthe next ones but it's like each
individual episode. There's soThey're such as like, they even
take little tiny pieces of everlike I was going to tell him me
and about like, injuries,breastfeeding injuries because
when I had my first I had tohave surgery for hobos, or
whatever it's called, oh,declarants Yeah. There's this
(35:13):
whole like thing that you coulddo with the with a PT about,
like avoiding breastfeeding,because you see women and
they're all hunched over. Right.
Right. Yeah. All the things.
That was one of the things thatI am like always mm, like
sitting up straighter. Butthere's so many little nuances
of like, yes, you and how to doit. So I think it doesn't matter
(35:33):
if something's some one. ibclcsays the same thing as another
because you have to hear it afew times. Because you have so
much information coming at you.
Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.
And I and Mother Brain, right.
Right. Is and lack of sleep, youknow, all those things.
Unknown (35:51):
I mean, and I
Patty Lane (35:52):
wasn't sleeping prenatally because I right?
Yeah, I would
Amanda Gorman (35:55):
get up re like three or four. And I would watch
the reruns of
Unknown (36:00):
Oh, no, no, this
Amanda Gorman (36:02):
is even worse of a baby story on TV. Oh, yeah.
Patty Lane (36:05):
Oh, my God, I remember those
Amanda Gorman (36:06):
were how you would wake up to like a woman in
in active labor. And he'd belike, why are you doing this?
And I'm like, I don't know. Ijust watched 18 of them. But
Patty Lane (36:17):
you can't get enough of that. You know?
Yeah,yeah. But I watched a lot of
baby stories. I really thinklike that waking up on is
helping you to get ready for ababy that's gonna wake you up.
Unknown (36:32):
I mean, something was happening. Yeah, it was the baby
waking me up.
Patty Lane (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, I remember doing the same thing.
And then I thought it wasinteresting. Like, the time that
I would wake up was actually thetime like I was, you know, it
went into labor was very cool. Imean, yeah.
Yeah. My husband always teasesme because he says that I sleep
the best with a newborn becauseI'm a terrible, terrible
sleeper. So whenever the babyleaves, as soon as I'm done, I
(36:57):
crash and I'll sleep reallyhard. Like, can't wake up for
anything for the two or threehours and then get up and do it
again, and then crash again. Andthat to me, like if I like, if I
get to two or three hoursessions, it's like,
unbelievable. So my husband'slike, you're the only sleeps
with a newborn, but I do. Yeah.
(37:17):
It's all that oxytocin? Like,no, that's what I used to. I had
a hard time falling asleep afterI stopped nursing because I was
like, pregnant or nursing for adecade. So then I didn't know
how to fall asleep. You know, itwas it was crazy. You know, and
everybody who's like, well, Isleep the night I just, I just
(37:38):
want to say never. Of course, Idon't.
Amanda Gorman (37:42):
I mean, my Harold's five now, but I I
nursed him till three. And I'mpretty sure he was still doing a
night feed for most of that.
Yeah. And I couldn't you know, Idon't know if it was because he
was my boy or my last but
Patty Lane (37:58):
I didn't care. It works. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to
feel like when I had a new baby,it when it was just baby and me
in the middle of the night. Iloved it. Because I didn't have
any you know, like, leathershoes with the baby again. sad
eyes looking at me. I loved it.
Do you have for? Yes. For Godbless you and Joe for his great
(38:21):
three girls and a boy. Yep. Andtwo grandbabies. Oh, my
goodness. Yeah. They're threeand seven months. Are they close
to you know, they're in RaleighNorth and by Raleigh, North
Carolina.
Amanda Gorman (38:38):
I'm fine. I'm going to rally random I
Patty Lane (38:41):
love that area. Love it.
Amanda Gorman (38:44):
Maybe you I don't know, my parents were not dying
to live close to us. And bearound to help out that much,
really, until the pandemic andnow they've moved here now. I
let them help but at a distancebecause, you know, I never you
know, but I think it's differentfor everyone how much they want
to be around the grandkids.
We're not
Patty Lane (39:04):
I was when when she had when she had her first I was
I took care of him first firstyear. And that was going to be
away. Now. The plan was for meto take care of her second for
six months. But then pan thepandemic hit. And she's like,
it's just not safe. You know?
Because Because that she wantedto send the three year old to
(39:25):
daycare, but I'm finally seeingthem. I'm at a APR one. We're
going down because we're I'vebeen vaccinated and my husband
so yeah,
Amanda Gorman (39:36):
yes. Yeah, we're random. My brother's in
Charleston. And we haven't seenhim in almost two years. So
might we're all vaccinated. So,but it was so expensive to fly
to Charleston, we're flying toRaleigh, because we have friends
in apex.
Patty Lane (39:51):
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right by her. Yep. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (39:54):
So we're going to surprise my daughter who hasn't.
It's her best friend. Then shehasn't seen her in a long time.
Patty Lane (39:59):
Oh, So far yeah, we'll go. Um, she's my
daughter's and Carrie and wedrive it a lot, you know,
because I've done it so manytimes.
Unknown (40:07):
But my
Patty Lane (40:07):
children, Oh, I know. Well, it's kind of boring
to drive just, you know, with myhusband and myself. But it's,
it's good. Yeah, I know. You'reYou know what, Amanda, you're
going to be there before youknow I
Amanda Gorman (40:21):
already they're already they're already growing
up and I can feel like the Yeah,tag a little bit. So I get it.
But
Patty Lane (40:27):
yeah, but hopefully I'll have more grandchildren.
But my my when my grand daughterwas born, the one that seven
months old. My daughter's laborprogress so fast. I caught the
baby. Oh, totally by mistake.
Amanda. were like, did she makeit to the hospital? Oh, no, she
was on the toilet. Oh, yeah. Itwas cool. You're dying to be
(40:49):
with them. It was crazy. Yeah. Ihad, like I had quarantined, and
then I went down like a monthbefore, so I could help her in
that last month, with the youknow, with the two year old. And
the deal, you know, I was like,I'm gonna stay out of your way
when you go into labor. Because,you know, I, if you need me, you
just have to ask. So I heard herand it was during a hurricane.
(41:13):
And her husband was like movingthe car in the garage. So she
didn't have to go out on thewind in the rain. And I heard
her moaning. And my son in lawhad just said he like, here's
the monitor, we're going to begoing soon, you know? And I'm
like, No, I'm going to go in andcrawl into bed with the two year
old. So I hear him. And I heardher moaning. And I'm like, I
just need to give her like a hugand some words of encouragement.
(41:36):
And I go into her, and she's onthe toilet. And I see like, some
blood and I'm like, Oh, I don'tknow about I don't remember
bleeding a lot. But of course,you know, you don't look at
what's going on. So she's reallymoaning. And I'm like, said, Are
you okay? You know, you gotthis, you can do this. And then
I looked at her and I'm like, Ithink you're pushing. And she
(41:57):
goes, I'm really not I'm reallynot doing it. And my son in law
comes back upstairs and he looksat me and he's like, what's
going on? And I mouth call 911he thought I was overreacting.
And, and then and then and thenshe goes, she goes, I feel her
coming. I feel it coming. I'mlike, it's okay, I got her and I
(42:20):
reached down. Guys like him. Itwas crazy. And the whole time
I'm like, Oh, please bebreathing. Please be breathing.
You know, because I I know allthat could go wrong. Thank God.
She was great. And my my otherdaughters have a hard act to
(42:40):
follow, huh. You know, and thewhole the whole thing very
happy. I know. They weretissues. Genevieve I know we
were That's what she said. She'slike, she really should have
your your name. But um, it wasit was just amazing. And I had
always wanted to have a homebirth. But my husband really
(43:02):
didn't want me do
Unknown (43:05):
so well that put that pressure would have been on him.
Patty Lane (43:08):
I got the hopper, right. That is so cool. It was
cool. It was It was terrifyingand very cool. During the
pandemic, you know, it was inAugust.
Amanda Gorman (43:19):
I was gonna say when he said hurricane cuz I we
were out of power for a reallylong time.
Patty Lane (43:23):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was it was a privilege.
Really?
Amanda Gorman (43:28):
Yes. Oh, my God.
Oh,
Patty Lane (43:30):
yeah. I'll never forget it.
Amanda Gorman (43:32):
Well, I hope we have more time. You know, it's
you, you I was just saying thisto Lori, you know, you came in
during what's been a whirlwind.
And so I hope that we have alittle more fun time like this.
Patty Lane (43:44):
Because Yeah, I know, I was thinking the other
after the last meeting. I'mlike, wouldn't it be cool if we
could all get together at somepoint?
Amanda Gorman (43:50):
I mean, that's ideal. It's probably almost
three years ago. Now. Weactually went this is so nerdy.
We went to a charm conference.
And myself, Joanna. And Ryan,who's not who's not with us now.
But charm put on thisconference. And it was the only
thing I could afford, right?
(44:10):
Yeah. And it was so darn cheap.
It was like $400 for the weekendwith lodging and food.
Patty Lane (44:16):
Oh, fun. Wow. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:18):
This I might be able to swing fress um, and
that's the only time I've metJoanna in person and and I've
met one other time. And don'tget answered. She wants us all
on a Disney Cruise.
Unknown (44:33):
I love it. No, I
Amanda Gorman (44:34):
Oh, is going to be necessary at some point.
Patty Lane (44:36):
Well, you know, the Center for breastfeeding does
like a breastfeeding cruise. Idon't know how but they do.
Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:43):
Yeah. And now we're all going to be putting
post COVID PTSD about cruises. Idon't know. That's
Patty Lane (44:47):
right. Yeah.
Amanda Gorman (44:49):
We were in the Bahamas last year. In early
March, and, um, you know, wewere at the Atlantis where a lot
of cruises con Oh, yes. Sure.
Yeah. It And then the cruiserswould come in and they all had a
wristband and it was very funnythe dirty like that there was
like the resort people and thenlike they would do the cruisers
like Oh, your COVID
Patty Lane (45:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgotten
reasonably again. I don't thinkso. I don't Yeah, I don't think
so. Anyway, all right,
Amanda Gorman (45:19):
let's you go thank great chatting and bill
for this time please and Ishould lorrison Okay,
Unknown (45:25):
I should Lori's different. So okay, cool.
Thank you. Thank you.
Patty Lane (45:28):
I loved it. Thank you. Thanks, Chelsea. Give that
baby a big hug from me.
Unknown (45:33):
I will take care bye bye.
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