August 11, 2025 • 14 mins
The Thinking Atheist just claimed Christians believe everything has a creator—then mocked us for saying God was not created. Apologist Justin Derby responds, exposing this as a Strawman Fallacy and explaining the real Kalam Cosmological Argument Christians actually use.
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(00:25):
Hello there everyone, if you're watching this video then you are
part of the TTOR army, an army that is building itself up 1
subscriber at a time. And in today's video, we will be
looking at specifically how atheists misrepresent Christians
and creationists regarding the idea of God being the uncaused.
(00:48):
First 'cause. Now what led to today's video?
Well, I just came across a post on Twitter by the Thinking
Atheist. That's why we're having this
video today. The Thinking Atheist, in case
you don't know, has an account on Twitter with over 116,000
followers. The Thinking Atheist is not
(01:09):
actually a person. It's actually a show, a podcast
hosted by Seth Andrews. And this account in particular I
know about because oftentimes the Thinking Atheist Twitter
account puts out a lot of posts that make arguments that are
easily refuted by Christians andcreationists, including today's
(01:30):
post that we'll be looking at, which is the Thinking Atheist
posting a meme a couple days ago.
The Thinking Atheist said in this meme, everything has a
creator God is that creator God does not have a creator.
Your solution fails when it violates its own premise.
(01:52):
To which I responded in the comments section and in a
retweet. Nice straw man of what
Christians and creationists actually argue.
Turns out that not much thinkinggoes on in your head.
Now, why do I accuse the thinking atheist of straw
manning what Christians and creationists actually argue?
(02:12):
The reason why I accuse them of that is because in my personal
experience of Christians all over the Internet, Christians in
real life at various Christian organizations and creationist
organizations meeting up for presentations and conferences,
and what I've seen Christians argue on the Internet, I have
(02:33):
never seen a serious thinking Christian argue that everything
has a creator. So of course the solution fails
when it violates its own premise, because premise #1 by
the thinking atheist is false. Christians and creationists who
seriously think and argue do notargue that everything has a
(02:54):
creator. So you're literally making up a
premise, one that Christians andcreationists do not argue or
believe in, in order to make it seem like Christians believe in
something that is self contradictory.
Well, what do Christians and creationists actually argue?
Generally speaking, Christians and creationists argue that
(03:17):
everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So if something has a beginning has a cause, universe has a
beginning. That's something that is
believed in by atheists and evolutionists.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Now evolutionists and atheists are on the losing side of this
(03:38):
argument because they believe that everything came into
existence out of nothing, with no intelligent intervention or
some kind of adequate first 'cause so evolution in principle
violates the law of cause and effect.
Christians and creationists, on the other hand, believe that God
(03:59):
created the universe, the earth,the sea, and everything that is
in those three things over the course of six ordinary days
roughly 6000 years ago. In that scenario, you have an
all powerful, all knowing God who has existed eternally.
There was never a point where hedidn't exist.
He's always existed. And therefore, because he's
(04:21):
always existed, because he is eternal, because he doesn't have
a beginning, he doesn't need A cause.
The argument does not apply to God.
It only applies to anything thathas a beginning, something that
previously didn't exist and now does.
God does not fall into that category.
(04:42):
And in case you don't believe me, in case you think I'm just
making this up out of the clear blue sky and not presenting
arguments that Christians and creationists have been making my
entire life and beyond, well, let's go to ChatGPT, which is
run by leftists and globalists, and see what it has to say.
(05:02):
So I asked ChatGPT, have Christians and creationists,
generally speaking, ever argued that everything has a creator?
ChatGPT said yes, but with some nuance.
Many Christians and creationistshave made arguments that sound
like everything has a creator, but that's not actually the
(05:25):
careful formulation of the argument they intend to defend.
In classical Christian apologetics, and in most
creationist reasoning, the claimis not that everything has a
creator, but that everything that begins to exist, or
everything that is contingent depended on something else for
its existence, has a cause or creator.
(05:47):
Here's how that plays out historically #1 biblical and
theological roots. The Bible presents God as
uncaused and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting.
Psalm 92. Christian thinkers have always
made an exception for God because he is self existent
asiety, meaning he didn't begin or get made.
(06:08):
He simply is. Exodus 314.
I am who I am #2 classical apologetic formulations,
cosmological argument, Aquinas, Kalam, etc.
Kalam version popular among modern creationists #1
Everything that begins to exist has a cause #2 The universe
(06:29):
began to exist #3 therefore the universe has a 'cause this
avoids the trap of saying everything has a cause, which
wood forest the question who made God by only applying the
cause principle to things that start existing #3 common
misunderstanding in popular debates, especially if atheists,
(06:50):
Christians, and creationists areoften misrepresented as saying
everything has a creator. This straw man is easy to attack
because it invites The Who created God question, but most
informed Christian apologists, from early church fathers to
modern young earth creationists,have consistently held that God
is the necessary uncreated first'cause #4.
(07:15):
Within creationism specifically,whether young earth or old
earth, creationists generally argue all natural things,
including the universe itself, require a creator because they
are not eternal. God is the unique exception,
eternal, self, existent, and outside the created order.
So there you have it, ladies andgentlemen.
According to ChatGPT, which is merely pulling this information
(07:39):
from all the publicly available information that Christian
apologetics and creationists have been putting out there for
decades upon decades, they do not actually argue in Christian
and creationist circles that everything has a creator, that
everything thing has a 'cause they argue that everything that
begins to exist has a cause. And God is the uncaused first
(08:04):
'cause because he was not created, he is eternal.
He is always existed. Now here's where it gets fun.
ChatGPT tells me. If you'd like, I can give you
examples from young earth creationist literature where
they explicitly clarify that they don't believe everything
has a creator, just everything that began to exist.
(08:26):
That way you can see exactly howthey've addressed The Who made
God objection. Do you want me to pull those
examples? And of course I said yes please.
So ChatGPT says absolutely. Here are several examples from
young earth creationists and broader Christian apologetics
showing they explicitly affirm that not everything has a
(08:48):
creator, but rather everything that begins to exist or is
contingent does, excluding God, who is unique as the uncreated
necessary being #1 Kalam Cosmological argument and The
Who Made God response. A central formulation in the
modern creationist apologetics is the Kalam Cosmological
(09:09):
Argument. Number one.
Everything that begins to exist has a cause #2 the universe
began to exist #3 therefore the universe has a cause, which is
God. Crucially, this does not extend
the rule to God, who is characterized as eternal and
uncaused. A common objection, who created
God is addressed as a category error.
(09:31):
The argument applies only to things that begin to exist, and
God by definition does not fall into that category #2 Thomas
Aquinas and the uncaused. First, 'cause Thomas Aquinas's
first way cosmological argument from motion emphasizes that to
avoid infinite regress, there must be a first mover, one that
(09:51):
is uncaused and initiates motionin others, which is understood
to be God #3 clarifying uncausedversus self caused.
Some critics claim saying God isuncaused is special pleading.
Christian apologists counter by clarifying that they do not
assert God is self caused, whichwould be contradictory.
(10:13):
Rather, God is uncaused, meaninghe exists necessarily and does
not depend on anything else for existence #4 voices from
creationist communities. You'll also find similar
declarations by believers in community discussions.
Someone on Reddit said no one made God.
God is the uncreated maker of all things.
(10:35):
He always has been and always will be.
This is from the Christianity subreddit.
God always was and always will be.
He was not created. This is from the Catholicism
subreddit. Now we can ignore the 4th bullet
point because it's just quoting people from Reddit, but the
first three points that we looked at prove conclusively
(10:56):
that Christians historically have argued not that everything
has a cause or that everything has a creator.
They have historically argued that everything that begins to
exist has a cause. This is conclusively proven by
these few examples that ChatGPT pulled up for us.
(11:17):
So as we see at the summary table, claim everything has a
creator. What creationists, apologists
assert? No, not only everything that
begins to exist or is contingentclaim who created God.
What Christians and apologists assert this misunderstanding is
due to misapplying the cause condition to God.
(11:37):
Claim God's status. What creationists apologists
assert he is uncaused, necessary, and outside the
constraints of time or being created.
And we're not going to ask ChatGPT for more specific
examples in creationist literature talking about this
stuff, but I think you get the point by now.
Historically, Christians have always argued that everything
(12:01):
that that begins to exist has a cause.
They have never argued, at leastnot the serious thinking
Christians and creationists. They have never argued that
everything has a cause or that everything has a creator.
Historically we have not argued that when it comes to
apologetics and defending the faith.
(12:22):
So nice try thinking atheist, but your attempt to prove that
Christians solutions fail because it violates its own
premise. Turns out the argument you made
is a complete straw man. Christians do not argue that
everything has a creator, and you are literally making this up
in order to try and make Christians look bad.
(12:44):
And that does not make atheists look good.
Because if the thinking atheist who's supposed to be the pillar
of reasoning and logic resorts to straw man fallacies in order
to make Christians and creationists look bad, and the
fallacy in particular is so easily refuted that even just a
casual ChatGPT inquiry can provethat you're full of it, well,
(13:08):
you don't make the atheist community look good.
Thinking atheist? Maybe you should find a new line
of work. Maybe instead of trying to
engage with Christians and creationists and making yourself
and the atheist community look incredibly moronic, maybe you
should just stick to telling true stories on your True
Stories podcast. I think you might be better off
(13:31):
doing that, Seth.
Hello there everyone, if you're watching this video then you are
part of the TTOR army, an army that is building itself up 1
subscriber at a time. And in today's video, we will be
looking at specifically how atheists misrepresent Christians
and creationists regarding the idea of God being the uncaused.
(00:48):
First 'cause. Now what led to today's video?
Well, I just came across a post on Twitter by the Thinking
Atheist. That's why we're having this
video today. The Thinking Atheist, in case
you don't know, has an account on Twitter with over 116,000
followers. The Thinking Atheist is not
(01:09):
actually a person. It's actually a show, a podcast
hosted by Seth Andrews. And this account in particular I
know about because oftentimes the Thinking Atheist Twitter
account puts out a lot of posts that make arguments that are
easily refuted by Christians andcreationists, including today's
(01:30):
post that we'll be looking at, which is the Thinking Atheist
posting a meme a couple days ago.
The Thinking Atheist said in this meme, everything has a
creator God is that creator God does not have a creator.
Your solution fails when it violates its own premise.
(01:52):
To which I responded in the comments section and in a
retweet. Nice straw man of what
Christians and creationists actually argue.
Turns out that not much thinkinggoes on in your head.
Now, why do I accuse the thinking atheist of straw
manning what Christians and creationists actually argue?
(02:12):
The reason why I accuse them of that is because in my personal
experience of Christians all over the Internet, Christians in
real life at various Christian organizations and creationist
organizations meeting up for presentations and conferences,
and what I've seen Christians argue on the Internet, I have
(02:33):
never seen a serious thinking Christian argue that everything
has a creator. So of course the solution fails
when it violates its own premise, because premise #1 by
the thinking atheist is false. Christians and creationists who
seriously think and argue do notargue that everything has a
(02:54):
creator. So you're literally making up a
premise, one that Christians andcreationists do not argue or
believe in, in order to make it seem like Christians believe in
something that is self contradictory.
Well, what do Christians and creationists actually argue?
Generally speaking, Christians and creationists argue that
(03:17):
everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So if something has a beginning has a cause, universe has a
beginning. That's something that is
believed in by atheists and evolutionists.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Now evolutionists and atheists are on the losing side of this
(03:38):
argument because they believe that everything came into
existence out of nothing, with no intelligent intervention or
some kind of adequate first 'cause so evolution in principle
violates the law of cause and effect.
Christians and creationists, on the other hand, believe that God
(03:59):
created the universe, the earth,the sea, and everything that is
in those three things over the course of six ordinary days
roughly 6000 years ago. In that scenario, you have an
all powerful, all knowing God who has existed eternally.
There was never a point where hedidn't exist.
He's always existed. And therefore, because he's
(04:21):
always existed, because he is eternal, because he doesn't have
a beginning, he doesn't need A cause.
The argument does not apply to God.
It only applies to anything thathas a beginning, something that
previously didn't exist and now does.
God does not fall into that category.
(04:42):
And in case you don't believe me, in case you think I'm just
making this up out of the clear blue sky and not presenting
arguments that Christians and creationists have been making my
entire life and beyond, well, let's go to ChatGPT, which is
run by leftists and globalists, and see what it has to say.
(05:02):
So I asked ChatGPT, have Christians and creationists,
generally speaking, ever argued that everything has a creator?
ChatGPT said yes, but with some nuance.
Many Christians and creationistshave made arguments that sound
like everything has a creator, but that's not actually the
(05:25):
careful formulation of the argument they intend to defend.
In classical Christian apologetics, and in most
creationist reasoning, the claimis not that everything has a
creator, but that everything that begins to exist, or
everything that is contingent depended on something else for
its existence, has a cause or creator.
(05:47):
Here's how that plays out historically #1 biblical and
theological roots. The Bible presents God as
uncaused and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting.
Psalm 92. Christian thinkers have always
made an exception for God because he is self existent
asiety, meaning he didn't begin or get made.
(06:08):
He simply is. Exodus 314.
I am who I am #2 classical apologetic formulations,
cosmological argument, Aquinas, Kalam, etc.
Kalam version popular among modern creationists #1
Everything that begins to exist has a cause #2 The universe
(06:29):
began to exist #3 therefore the universe has a 'cause this
avoids the trap of saying everything has a cause, which
wood forest the question who made God by only applying the
cause principle to things that start existing #3 common
misunderstanding in popular debates, especially if atheists,
(06:50):
Christians, and creationists areoften misrepresented as saying
everything has a creator. This straw man is easy to attack
because it invites The Who created God question, but most
informed Christian apologists, from early church fathers to
modern young earth creationists,have consistently held that God
is the necessary uncreated first'cause #4.
(07:15):
Within creationism specifically,whether young earth or old
earth, creationists generally argue all natural things,
including the universe itself, require a creator because they
are not eternal. God is the unique exception,
eternal, self, existent, and outside the created order.
So there you have it, ladies andgentlemen.
According to ChatGPT, which is merely pulling this information
(07:39):
from all the publicly available information that Christian
apologetics and creationists have been putting out there for
decades upon decades, they do not actually argue in Christian
and creationist circles that everything has a creator, that
everything thing has a 'cause they argue that everything that
begins to exist has a cause. And God is the uncaused first
(08:04):
'cause because he was not created, he is eternal.
He is always existed. Now here's where it gets fun.
ChatGPT tells me. If you'd like, I can give you
examples from young earth creationist literature where
they explicitly clarify that they don't believe everything
has a creator, just everything that began to exist.
(08:26):
That way you can see exactly howthey've addressed The Who made
God objection. Do you want me to pull those
examples? And of course I said yes please.
So ChatGPT says absolutely. Here are several examples from
young earth creationists and broader Christian apologetics
showing they explicitly affirm that not everything has a
(08:48):
creator, but rather everything that begins to exist or is
contingent does, excluding God, who is unique as the uncreated
necessary being #1 Kalam Cosmological argument and The
Who Made God response. A central formulation in the
modern creationist apologetics is the Kalam Cosmological
(09:09):
Argument. Number one.
Everything that begins to exist has a cause #2 the universe
began to exist #3 therefore the universe has a cause, which is
God. Crucially, this does not extend
the rule to God, who is characterized as eternal and
uncaused. A common objection, who created
God is addressed as a category error.
(09:31):
The argument applies only to things that begin to exist, and
God by definition does not fall into that category #2 Thomas
Aquinas and the uncaused. First, 'cause Thomas Aquinas's
first way cosmological argument from motion emphasizes that to
avoid infinite regress, there must be a first mover, one that
(09:51):
is uncaused and initiates motionin others, which is understood
to be God #3 clarifying uncausedversus self caused.
Some critics claim saying God isuncaused is special pleading.
Christian apologists counter by clarifying that they do not
assert God is self caused, whichwould be contradictory.
(10:13):
Rather, God is uncaused, meaninghe exists necessarily and does
not depend on anything else for existence #4 voices from
creationist communities. You'll also find similar
declarations by believers in community discussions.
Someone on Reddit said no one made God.
God is the uncreated maker of all things.
(10:35):
He always has been and always will be.
This is from the Christianity subreddit.
God always was and always will be.
He was not created. This is from the Catholicism
subreddit. Now we can ignore the 4th bullet
point because it's just quoting people from Reddit, but the
first three points that we looked at prove conclusively
(10:56):
that Christians historically have argued not that everything
has a cause or that everything has a creator.
They have historically argued that everything that begins to
exist has a cause. This is conclusively proven by
these few examples that ChatGPT pulled up for us.
(11:17):
So as we see at the summary table, claim everything has a
creator. What creationists, apologists
assert? No, not only everything that
begins to exist or is contingentclaim who created God.
What Christians and apologists assert this misunderstanding is
due to misapplying the cause condition to God.
(11:37):
Claim God's status. What creationists apologists
assert he is uncaused, necessary, and outside the
constraints of time or being created.
And we're not going to ask ChatGPT for more specific
examples in creationist literature talking about this
stuff, but I think you get the point by now.
Historically, Christians have always argued that everything
(12:01):
that that begins to exist has a cause.
They have never argued, at leastnot the serious thinking
Christians and creationists. They have never argued that
everything has a cause or that everything has a creator.
Historically we have not argued that when it comes to
apologetics and defending the faith.
(12:22):
So nice try thinking atheist, but your attempt to prove that
Christians solutions fail because it violates its own
premise. Turns out the argument you made
is a complete straw man. Christians do not argue that
everything has a creator, and you are literally making this up
in order to try and make Christians look bad.
(12:44):
And that does not make atheists look good.
Because if the thinking atheist who's supposed to be the pillar
of reasoning and logic resorts to straw man fallacies in order
to make Christians and creationists look bad, and the
fallacy in particular is so easily refuted that even just a
casual ChatGPT inquiry can provethat you're full of it, well,
(13:08):
you don't make the atheist community look good.
Thinking atheist? Maybe you should find a new line
of work. Maybe instead of trying to
engage with Christians and creationists and making yourself
and the atheist community look incredibly moronic, maybe you
should just stick to telling true stories on your True
Stories podcast. I think you might be better off
(13:31):
doing that, Seth.
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