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November 1, 2023 38 mins
Ben has a deeply personal and inspiring conversation with John Ortberg on the significance of our inner life and how it affects our external reality. John is one of the most important voices in our world on the topic of spiritual formation. This interview covers the practices necessary to sustain the assignments we’ve been given, the purpose of solitude in our lives, and how the main thing anyone gets out of our lives is the actual person we become.

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