William He on How the Left Can Win Back Young Voters (And Drop the Elitist Tone)

Dream for America founder William He joins Brogressive host Beleh Toma to discuss why young voters, especially young men, are turning away from the Democratic Party, and what it will take to bring them back.The conversation dives into the need to actually listen to young men’s concerns and getting rid of the elitist tone that’s driving them away.William and Dream for America are also hosting their first-ever conference, DemocracyFest 2025, in Washington, D.C. at The Schuyler @ The Hamilton Hotel, happening July 11–12, 2025.🎟️ For more information and tickets, visit: https://dreamforamerica.org/democracyfest2025/Follow William on X @WilliamHeTX and his organization @DreamAmerica_

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
Hey everyone, my name is Belay and we are back here on the
Progressive podcast. I know you guys haven't seen me
for some time, pretty busy with school, just had spring break
and now I'm back and I don't know everybody, just I've, I've
been pretty, pretty depressed over my stock portfolio
recently. I think a lot of people out
there are a little sad about that, but today we're joined by

(00:32):
William. William is the founder of Dream
for America. Funny story, actually think I
was going to apply to open a chapter I think a year ago.
I forgot what it was a couple months ago.
I just never got to it. But really like your guys's
work. You have to check out their
memes. They are so fucking funny.
Just be on Instagram, dude. I, I send that they like, I send

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those to my conservative friendsand even they have to admit, OK,
this is a little bit funny. So William is just 18 years old
doing all of this amazing shit. Definitely wasn't doing any of
this when I was 18. So, William, you can go ahead
and give a little spiel about yourself.
Yeah, it's great to be on the show.
Thanks for having me. And you know what, it's never
too late and it's also never toolate to join a chapter.

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So but it's great to be on the show.
My name is William. He I am only 18 years old.
I started Dream for America whenI was only 16.
So it's been a great. As of July 4th, 2025, it'll be a
great two years of the organization.
I'm currently a high school senior base out of Dallas, TX,
but I'll be headed to UT Austin this fall.

(01:35):
I've thank you. Yeah, welcome.
And I know you were just in Houston for a game, so, you
know, sorry, but had to say it. But it's great to be on the
show. Very excited.
Awesome. Thank you, William.
And yeah, that game was pretty devastating.
I think we lost by like 25 points and I saw my quarterback

(01:56):
throw 4 interceptions, which I have never seen Justin Herbert
do. But it's OK because we're going
to come back stronger than ever.That's what everyone says.
But we're going to have I first of all, I just want to say thank
you for coming on. I know you have a busy schedule
and it's not easy to do this while you know you're ending
high school. So my senior year had some COVID
in there. I think we started junior year.

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So enjoy it. And then I don't want to sound
like an unk here because I am about to graduate college, but
those four years fly by so fast.Like it is insane to think about
this. I started college 2021 and I'm
about to graduate, so really enjoy it.
I mean, do a lot of shit that you don't usually do at home,

(02:39):
but stay safe as always. But yeah, I'm excited to have
you on. So I kind of wanted just to talk
about Dream for America and if you have to tell our audience,
if you have to tell people in America, you know, what is the
main goal, the main mission of Dream for America?
How would you how would you convey that?
Yeah, well, I mean, a condensed version would basically be we're

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building a left wing Turning Point USA and we're here to
inspire young people across America to to to fight fascism,
to defend democracy and to become leaders in their
community and spreading liberal values to their friends, their
family and and beyond. And the reason why we got
started, I mean, I founded the organization when I was just 16
because I thought there was a a problem with the way that we

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were communicating with young people.
And I thought that Turning PointUSA is a growing threat and I've
been blaring the horn about it for two years.
And a lot of people didn't take me seriously for a long time,
but that's OK. I mean, partially because I was
a sophomore in high school, but the other part was they didn't
agree with what I was saying. But no hate.

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I'm glad people are coming around to it now.
And I am very thrilled to continue to do the work in
college and, and hopefully beyond that.
I mean, one of the big reasons that I always emphasize to
people, I mean, either then or now, is that for decades the
left dominated campus organizing.
I mean, we, we drove the voting patterns.
We dominated the vote. We, we dominated the discourse

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and the culture. I mean, being a liberal or
progressive or whatever you wantto call it, that used to be
cool. But these days, if you go into
any, you know, place on campus and high school, college, it's
not cool to be a liberal anymore.
I have to like defend myself against.
I just had like a bunch of kids try to tell me that Trump should
have a third term and I was derided.
Like it. It was a whole big thing.
But being a liberal used to be cool.

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And all of that is thanks to this decades long project the
right has worked on. They've sent billions on it to
basically build this very powerful long term, well funded
organizing machine and cultural ecosystem that is obliterating
us not just online on the groundand also in our bank accounts.
Like I just saw a report that right wing groups in the last

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five years raise like $1.6 billion or something like that.
And, and the left is only maybe barely has 500 million, which
that's a lot of money, but we are being outgunned 3 to 1.
But it's not just a money problem, it's also a strategy
problem. Like it's the old way of youth
organizing I think is dead. Like the old way of like just

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registering people to vote and sending out like a shit ton of
phone banks and texts. Which great, no hate.
That was what worked and that's what worked for a long time
because the assumption always was young people would always be
be liberal and vote Democratic. Great.
That was true, and now it's not true anymore.
So now we need to innovate. Now we need to adapt.
What does that mean? Here's how Dream for America is

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going to help, and we won't solve it alone, but at least
with young people, we're going to try to fix it.
Three programs. It's mirrored somewhat like
Turning Point, but three programs, chapters who are on
the ground. They're basically our boots on
the ground, our army. There are chapters, they're
talking to people, registering kits to vote of course, but also
having conversations, doing events on campus, doing

(05:54):
discourse. We're hosting different tours
across the country later on withdifferent influencers.
If I ever get famous enough, maybe I'll show up at some
random university in the middle of nowhere and, and, and yell at
conservative kids. Who knows?
Or actually, yell is not the best word.
Convince them to join the right side or I guess the left side.
But, and then we also, of course, have content.

(06:18):
Which is it? It's belay.
Yeah. And the memes, right?
Content influencers shaping the culture.
And then conferences. We're actually hosting our very
first conference this summer. It's called Democracy Fest 2025.
But it's not like any other political conference.
I mean, yes, it'll have speechesand networking, whatever, but
it'll be like liberal Coachella.It'll be fun dude.

(06:40):
Where's the invite? What the hell?
I'll I'll send you an invite. Hit me up.
I mean, it won't be big. I don't have big expectations.
I know like Turning Point, theirvery first conference, Charlie's
own admission, like I said, there were like 7 people that
showed up, but I don't have big expectations.
But you know, we can get 102 hundred kids there.
That'll be fantastic. You know, we'll have a party,
there'll be music, it's going tobe fun, there'll be food.

(07:02):
We'll get together, learn from each other, hear from some great
people, have a nice time, and then take the fight back to
where your communities are. Do it all over again, come back
next year and repeat. But yeah, that stream for
America in a nutshell. We're essentially trying to win
the culture war against the right, take back the mantle of
cultural dominance and rebrand liberal values and remind young

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people why democracy is worth defending.
Because America's future, I mean, it's up for grabs, so
let's go get it. They want to bring a circus.
Let's bring a movement. I love that, William.
I mean, first of all, I think rebranding the culture war is
one of the things that we need to do.
And it's and like people don't think about this, but memes are

(07:47):
pretty far reaching. And I know a lot of older people
might think, well, you know, my little grandson's laughing.
What is he laughing on? Some laughing at some posts on
Instagram or TikTok actually goes a far away.
Like, you'd be surprised. I mean, we know this because we
have a lot of younger friends. Like you go to school and
there's like a meme that blows up the like, the like the JD
Vance meme. Like even my friends who aren't
political know about the JD Vance meme.

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And it's and it's and it's little things like that that
that, you know, we may think as little, but it spreads by so far
that far and fast. And I think a big reason for
that is most Americans just don't have the time to go read
the news. Most Americans don't have the
time to like turn on cable news or main any media and consume it
for hours in a day like I do. I don't know if you do, I'm
guessing you do as well. So they go on their phone,

(08:33):
right, and they go on Instagram and refresh the page and see
like, oh, a food recipe. One of their friends are getting
married and oh, look, Trump's like saying that he we were
going to win. And now the the stock market is
crashing. Like that video that I'm sure
you've seen and I think you guyshave posted those types of
things are really far reaching. And it's something that I've
talked about for a while that wehave been losing in right.

(08:55):
And I think part of that is also, you know, we were in power
four years. So a lot of the memes are not
going to be favorable to us, butyou're really being a shift now
with Trump in power and Republicans in power and a lot
of people consuming those memes that are, you know, funny and
goofy, but they also shed some light about what's happening
right now. So I think that's one of the the
parts of Dream America for America that I personally love.

(09:16):
I wanted to ask about the conference if, if people out
there are interested in in goingand join you guys and what's the
process for that? Should they follow your guys's
page for more announcements? Yeah, it's still in works.
It's still under wraps, but it'll be, we're looking at
sometime in July. We'll have more information very
soon on how to register, how to get yourself there, what we're

(09:38):
going to be doing, who's going to be there.
So follow us on socials. Instagram will be the best place
to see it. But I mean, also check out our
Twitter. We we need a lot more Twitter
followers to, to match up to Turning points Instagram.
We're actually getting there. We we are actually getting more
followers on a daily basis than they are we're gaining.
Like 20. 20 or 30 KA week wow. And, and most of our new

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followers, our new young followers are young guys like
they are young men like this is the demographic.
I think amazing. Golf guys and like football guys
and like guys who are part of frats following us.
And I'm like, oh, I say, oh, followed from your real.
Oh, great. And it's some real about some
Joe Biden. Edit Wait, these guys like Joe
Biden? Holy shit.

(10:22):
Maybe they do now, yeah. Where they do now, now that
they're stocked for fallers in the toilet.
But I mean, you know, I won't, Iwon't chastise you for making
the wrong choice. I will welcome you with open
arms. I'm going to say that it's not
your fault. It's they could the elite's
fault, the conservative elites who made you think, made you
believe this like this is like the philosophy that I have,

(10:45):
right? Because I know a lot of
Democrats, a lot of liberals like to like, you know, point
their finger, wag their. Finger.
They like to just write out shame.
Like I I mean shame like other liberals, but but also yes,
conservatives for not being 100%in line with their values.
Of course, if you're a liberal or you know, of course, making
the wrong choice and voting for conservatives or just having

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conservative place in general. Like I always IAI grew up in a
very conservative part of Texas.I have a lot of friends who are
conservative. Part of the reason why I know
the landscape so well and I can understand it and what appeals
and works to people is because Ihave conversations with people.
I know what people want and I know what valleys people have
and where they're coming from. And once you understand that,

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which that can only be accomplished with conversation,
just why we have to show up on campus.
Once we understand that and knowthat, then we can go to a place
where we can then say, OK, well,here's the better view.
Here's the alternative view. I disagree with you.
We have this, We share the same values.
Like I love America too. I'm a patriot.
But here's what I think. I think America is a beautiful,
great idea. That's what makes us the

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greatest country in the world. But the actions that we've taken
as a country, some of it is in the past, IE slavery and other
things. Some of it, especially now, is
quite shameful. So I don't think we're living up
to the idea. But I know America can be great
and I know it can be great. I don't want to say once again,
but great more than ever before.Be great.
Yes, exactly make. America, that's all.

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That's ultimate patriotism. It's it's that you believe in
this country so much that you want it to be better than it is
right now. Exactly, exactly.
And I think conservatives share the same.
I'm like, I know a lot of conservative kids like they love
America, OK, so why not let's make sure that every single
veteran in the country is housed.
Why not make sure that everybodyhas freedom, everybody has

(12:29):
liberty. And instead of, you know, I know
a lot of people on the left are like really big on taxing the
rich and and then I'm all for that too.
But there's this new book calledabundance.
I don't know if. This, yeah, But we just.
Yep. It's really great.
So I am all for taxing the rich and you know, like reigning in
the oligarchy, in the billionaires.
But I also believe in a bigger agenda that I can, I think could

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be fused together, an abundance agenda where I mean, yes, we
make sure that there is less than equality, but also where
everybody is richer instead of taking away, well, we make sure
everybody is wealthy. And I think that's an agenda
everyone get behind. I mean, the dream for America
Valley, I mean, we're established as A51C3.
So technically non partisan, liberal leaning, but technically
non partisan. Like we don't endorse candidates

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and whatnot, but our three core values is freedom, democracy and
security. Freedom from overreaching
governments that interfere in your personal life, freedom from
corporations that want to exploit you, Democracy where you
have choice in how you live and the way you're governed and and
the way of life around you. And security, security from
threats around the world from people who want to hurt us,

(13:34):
security from the different forces domestically here that
want to harm you. But overall, it's about freedom.
It's about democracy and it's about making sure that everybody
has opportunity in America. And I think that's something
that people can get behind. And and once you combine that
with memes, Oh my God, what a powerful.
Explode like your guys's Instagram page It'll.

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Explode and also on tik. I mean TikTok banned us which I
have a conspiracy which is that after they shut down TikTok for
like 12 hours and then were. They trying to be favorable to
Trump and. Yeah, that's my conspiracy
theory because we have never hadan issue with content on TikTok
ever before. Like it was never flagged, but
then right after that happened, like every single thing we

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posted that involved like conservative, something
immediately flagged, immediatelygets banned.
The last thing we posted before we got banned on our old TikTok
account was vaccines are good and anyone who says vaccines
cause autism is an idiot and is that's bullshit and that gets
taken down on our account gets banned.
We can't appeal it. It's permanently banned.
We had like 100K on that accountand now we have to start from

(14:38):
scratch but we're at 5K. We started it just like last
week. So the supporters there, it's
organic and most of our support actually has come since Election
Day. I mean, we got started two years
ago. We first started as A51C4.
So we were involved in like different endorsements and
campaigns and like the bind camp, like included us as one of

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the like groups, young group, youth groups that endorsed them
and so on. And that was great.
But after the election, we transitioned to become AC 3,
which is nonpartisan, but you can discuss values and
philosophy. And we have seen a huge amount
of growth. Like we were just at like 20 K
on Instagram until like November.
We barely had any followers or donors by then.

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But we have like a giant e-mail list now, like 50,000 people.
We've got thousands of kids signing up to start chapters.
A lot of them are young guys anda lot of them are like from the
fratty campuses. Like like we have somebody from
ASU from U of Alabama. Alabama.
We, we, I mean, we've got peoplein like West Virginia trying to
do this thing and it's, and, andof course on social it is, it is

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blowing up. So I think there is a huge
market for this, a huge potential for this and it is
only going to go upwards from here.
I love that. I mean, I think one of the
things you spoke about is one ofour Co host Dylan, he's actually
a frat president here at UCLA. He couldn't make it because he
has class. I'm the only one that doesn't
have class after like 2:00 PM onTuesdays.

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So he's a frat president, runs awhole frat house.
And so we have those vibes here.And then Ben and Max are like,
he's big, huge gym Bros. I don't know if you've seen
them. They're like insanely built.
They like I, I they live, breathe and like just pray, Jim.
And it's like guys like that whoyou wouldn't expect to be on the
left and to be, you know, progressives and liberals that

(16:28):
are. And I think a, a big thing that
I've been a little shocked by is, yeah, I have like the
American flag right here. I don't know if you can see it.
I have a battle during World War2 right behind me, very famous.
And I got it from like the UCLA store.
And the reaction I've gone is like kind of mixed.
People are like, oh, the American flag.
Like why do you have that in your room?
I'm like, well, a like, we need to take back patriotism from

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conservatives. It's not a conservative ideal.
It's not a, it's not a liberal ideal.
It's just an American ideal. So that's like part of the
reason why I have it. And it's like, hey, I love this
country. It's given my family and I so
many opportunities, so many things as an immigrant myself
that I'm going to fight for everybody to have access to
healthcare. I'm going to fight for everybody
to be able to go to school and not have to, you know, go into
like hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to get a

(17:13):
good education. Or if you want to go to trade
school and learn a skill, the government should help you out
with that, right? Things like that that I believe
in. And so love what you guys are
doing with reclaiming patriotism, but also making sure
that people know that we love this country too.
We love this country so much that we want to make sure that
you have a better life that our veterans are taking care of,
like you said, and that we're not drowning in debt because

(17:35):
some corporations want to, like,use us and colleges want to scam
us. Right.
And you know what? The Conservatives, they're all
about the national debt, right? And that they're all about, you
know, Doge. OK, then why did you just put
forward a $1 trillion military budget for the troops?
I love the troops. I think the military is great.
I think they're very honorable people.
But OK, you want to reduce the debt.

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OK, so then why why did you why do you have a $1 trillion
military? But why do you need a $1
trillion military budget if you want to?
Like there's ways to keep our military strong and great
without spending a trillion dollars.
Like why is the Pentagon never succeeded in an audit?
Audits. Where, where is that?
And if you by the way, you ever noticed that Doge is always

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cutting the most meaningless stuff like $5 million for trans
surgeries in Bangladesh or something like that?
Why aren't you cutting the like hundreds of billions in
subsidies that the guy who runs the department gets?
Oh, conveniently that doesn't exist.
Why don't you modernize and makeour military more efficient so
we don't have to waste money or.Look into the contracts and how
much they're paying for. Like it was like utensils or

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something. I saw a report on that.
They were playing just like an insane amount for utensils.
I'm like, what's happening here?And the fact that they haven't
gone after the Pentagon, now they're introducing the $1
trillion package, makes me a little suspicious that they
don't give a fuck about the debt, right?
Doge? Just this whole culture war
things they're trying to put outthere.
But what's funny is that a lot of Americans are not buying into

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their bullshit. You have an unelected
billionaire that is making choices, that is firing
veterans, veterans who were promised a job.
There was a there was a veteran in Virginia, I forget his name,
but the US government told him if you go get your master's
degree, we will give you a promotion and you will have a
good role at this job. And they fired him.

(19:23):
Right, right. And and well, actually you'd be
like, I agree with you, a lot ofpeople are finally waking up and
I am proud to see it, but there is a real sea change that's
happening. There are a lot of there's a
political realignment that's happening.
A lot of older folks are joiningthe ranks like middle.
I mean, if you there was a there's this big like hands off
protest right over the weekend or at the time of this filming,

(19:43):
April, when was it April, like fifth or something big protests
around the country. A lot of people turn out great,
but one thing that a lot of people noticed, not a lot of
young people, mostly older folks, some millennials mixed
in, but a lot of young people. And I see it around campus too,
of where I like most of the people who are first time

(20:03):
voters. Last November, they all voted
for Trump. And there is a big sea change
happening. And I can't emphasize this
enough that if we don't do something now, make the
investments in the right organization, the right people
to to shift the tide, we are going to lose an entire
generation for decades. And we might not, might not be

(20:23):
able to come back. Right after 2012, Democrats
declared demographics as destiny.
And we? Were going to win forever the
Obama coalition. And, and, and technically that
was true. If we had the Obama coalition,
technically I would be true. And you know what, Turning Point
started in 2012, Charlie Kirk, he was like 17 at the time, 18,
whatever. He was going to go to college.
Then he dropped out to start Turning Point, which as much as

(20:44):
people want to like criticize him for not going to college.
Like smart, I've been made a smart decision for himself.
Very smart guy and like he is very great at learning.
I don't disagree. I I disagree with everything he
says, but he's a very smart guy,very articulate, very well
created manager and business guytoo, given turning points now a
very successful operation. So props to him.

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Political beliefs pretty evil, but as as a as a as an
individual, you know, great, great job Charlie.
But what they did in 2012 is they took a look and said, OK,
this is not working. And I actually dug back when
Charlie looked like a fetus and he was going on Fox News at like
17 trying to make the case or turning point.
He's basically like the Romney campaign's youth outreach sucks
balls and we basically need morememes and turning point like for

(21:29):
like 3 years was just straight up Obama memes and like making
fun of Obamacare and a bunch of other stuff.
It was just memes, like straightup memes.
And basically he was making the case OK.
And then eventually I started getting into a bunch of other
stuff, basically making the point that, OK, we need a new
way of doing this, the old way of doing it, like the young
Republicans called Republican, they all existed.

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But we need an, a, a more innovative way of doing this and
fast for today, 12 years later, his bet worked.
Now, I mean, Charlie was just atUniversity of Illinois, that is
in deep blue Illinois. Like there was like 5000 kids
that showed up, showed up to seehim.
That is a lot of people and now if you have like if you have say

(22:15):
Pete Buttigieg show up on college campus, like, I mean,
Pete Buttigieg is great, but when he get 5000 kids to show
up, I don't know. So there is a new new touch, new
sea change that is coming and itis concerning.
But it is time to do something and and I'm glad people are are
are trying to realize. Yeah, I mean, I, I agree with

(22:37):
you. I've been, I've been calling out
the same exact things because I also grew up with, you know, a
lot of conservative people around me, family, some friends,
and I've been having these conversations.
So I think it's important that we both kind of grew up in that
realm. We understand what they believe,
but we also understand them, youknow, the things we both agree
on, touching on kind of the issue we have with young voters,

(22:59):
A big thing that the left has been talking about after the
election, this like, just the absolute collapse of young men
in the party. Because, I mean, to put this
into perspective, Joe Biden won young man by about like, 25
points in 2020, right? And Trump just won them, Obama
by more. Yeah, but Trump just won them.

(23:20):
But I forgot. But he won, like, it was a
couple points, but he still won them, right?
And guess what? He did even better with men of
color, young men of color and Hispanic men, Asian men, Middle
Eastern men, you go down the list, right?
So if you want to just and there's some people on the left
that just want to call them sexist and racist, I'm like,
it's not going to do anything. ABA lot of these men are men of

(23:44):
color. So if you're calling them
racist, how does it make any sense?
I mean, you, I guess you could be racist against other races,
but it just you just completely avoid having the conversation
and the tough conversation that we need to have about how young
men have felt betrayed by the Democratic Party and the steps
that we can take to regain theirtrust.
Right. I mean, as a young guy myself, I

(24:04):
mean, often times I'll look at what the party is doing.
I'm like, Yikes. And and I'll look at what like
other, you know, liberal groups are doing or like influencers
are doing. I'm like and and the people
they're platforming, I'm like, Yikes.
I'm still a dyed in the wool, like hardcore, you know,
bleeding blue liberal. But if I'm occasionally having

(24:25):
thoughts like is this what we should be doing?
Guys? Imagine what like your normies
are thinking like I am tuned into Twitter and Instagram and
like Politico like 24/7. So I have information to make me
like like hardcore and I I'm there for you.
I am, I, I know the facts, so I know why we need to do these
things and support these things,but your normie guy doesn't.

(24:48):
And so there are a lot of right answers for why young men are
going the way they are. I mean, my hypothesis is that I
think the party no longer actively welcomes young men and
treats masculinity as an acceptable trait.
I think that's a big one. Part of it is that just the
staffing culture, like I know that a lot, a lot of the staff

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that run the socials and, you know, do events right are not
necessarily young men. So like are like straight young
men. So I mean, you could have more
straight young men serving theseranks, but I don't think that
alone we'll solve it. But in general, like I think
making masculinity right, the right kind of masculine, not
toxic, but the right kind of masculinity acceptable and
welcomed into the party and intothe the the tent in general.

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I think being more focused on economics and focused on science
and logic in our messaging, I think that'll work too.
Because one of the things that conservatives herald themselves
as being facts over feelings like they're the people who are
logical and have common sense and are pro family.

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Well, that's a chalk of ridiculousness.
Because in the words of Charlie Kirk, abortion is worse than the
Holocaust. Really.
Really the the mass genocide andkilling of Jews and other people
by the Nazis, that's worse than a woman, if their life is in
danger, needs to have a procedure done so that she
doesn't die. OK, that's OK, great common

(26:15):
sense BBC. But for example, like we need to
be staunchly pro family. Like we want you.
I mean, we don't want to force you to like have like some sort
of weird eugenics thing like theconservatives like want to have
some eugenics patriarchal thing.But we want you to have family,
right. I mean, as a, as a concern
because our birth rates are falling and I'm concerned about

(26:36):
30 years from now and whether we're not have a sustainable
economy. But also family is good.
Like I, I think, and it doesn't need to like be whether you
adopt or whether you have a child yourself, but like family
is good. So making it easier to have a
family where we are supportive of family want we want to make
sure that you can have a family.One of the reasons why young men
and young people in general don't have families, It's you.
It's you can't afford it. Too expensive?

(26:57):
Right. So focus on the things that
appeal to people, a lot of youngmen, family, economics, facts.
How is this going to affect my life?
What is reasonable, and I think that begins with a lot of the
culture war stuff, taking the logical right position on every
issue and then taking taking theright on, for example, on and

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this is definitely a hot take, but for example, on the
transports issue or on the gender issue, Charlie, always
ask people what is a woman? And when we fail to articulate
what is a woman, that makes us look goofy and weird, especially
as the people who came to be like, we want science, we like

(27:42):
science, you know, we care aboutthe news and the facts, but we
don't know what a woman is. It's aesthetics like that that
are really important, especiallywhen those clips are circulated
over and over by the we've. Seen those all over?
Right, right. And and and it's and Charlie
keeps saying it and people complain that it, oh, it's this
gotcha question. Well, it is a gotcha question

(28:03):
like because we can't answer it.So I think we have to face some
facts, especially given the factthat a lot of people
overwhelmingly are in favor withtheir lens of the issue.
But we don't have to become bigots and be like, OK, let's,
let's excise trans people from every aspect of society.
Exactly. Exactly.
Right. We support every American's

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right to freedom. We don't just support, we we
want everybody's right. We want you to live your life
the way you want to live it. We want the government out of
your life. We want the government to be
able to not go in and tell you who you can love or where you
can live whatever it is. We want you to live your own
life. Exactly.
I will accept the fact that there are biological differences
between men and women. However, if you choose to

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transition, I'm going to call you by your pronouns.
I'm going to respect you. I'm not.
I don't want to be a Dick. It's just not being a Dick and
an asshole. Right and and and and the
conservatives want to monitor ohthe like stop the trans from
going to the what are you going to do?
You're going to RIP down their pants and check their genitals.
You're going to have. And especially if they're
younger kids, that's just weird.Dude why do you want to check
like a younger kids genitals? Why do you care about genitals

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so much? God, I thought you were the,
the, the group that cared about respect and dignity and
religious that OK, so why do youthink about trans penises all
the time? Why do you think about that?
Why is that on your mind all thetime like it is?
And and why does it trigger you?Because OK, so liberal
snowflakes, why does it trigger you so much that we ask you to
respect people's pronouns? We ask you to respect people on

(29:33):
the streets. We ask you to respect the right
to protest. Why does that trigger?
You don't have to agree with them, just treat them as like a
human being. Exactly.
And I if they're an asshole to you, be an asshole back.
I don't care what you say. Or do the decent thing that
society tells us. Just walk away.
Nobody's forcing you to be theirfriend, OK?
Nobody's forcing you to be. So if you don't want to be their

(29:54):
friend, great. Hi.
Goodbye. That's it.
We don't need the government to institute some mandatory, OK,
I'm going to ban you from like this portion of campus or this
portion of your workplace because, you know, you choose to
live a live different life than I might.
So I think that's the position we need to take.
Yes, there are biological differences.
Here's what a woman is. It's a it's somebody with a

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vagina, somebody who can reproduce.
OK, great. Next question, Let's talk about
food and security. You want to talk about trans
people? OK, great.
I think they should exist. I think they have a right to
exist. They want to go to whatever
bathroom they want. They want to do whatever they
want. Great.
They're American. No more different than I am.
End of conversation. Now let's please talk about the
starving children. Yes, there you go.
I love that. That's the way and, and I think

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that is going to be it's, it's all about, I could, I think
fundamentally us as liberals, asprogressives, I don't think
there's anything wrong with our values.
Like us believing in human rights.
I must believe in Democr. I don't think there's anything
wrong with that. So a lot of people say, oh, we
need to become Republican light or we need to shift far to the
left. That's neither here nor there.
It's all about how we message and who is doing the messaging.
I don't think there's a need to change our values.

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I don't think there's a need to really change ourselves into
something we're not. It's, it's standing by our
values because people want authenticity and it is getting
the right people to, to, to tell, to tell people about it.
Another issue right, Like the border, nobody is saying we want
the illegals to flow through theborder like with millions in the

(31:23):
masses and we want them to and. I'm an immigrant and I'm not
even saying that. Right.
And actually, no immigrant wantsthat.
Like, yeah, No, just to say thatliberals, oh, we want criminals.
We like criminals and we want crime.
No, here's what we think. We think that illegal
immigration is bad. You should follow the rules.
Even Obama says that right. But here's.
That's what he did throughout his presidency, yeah.

(31:43):
Exactly but here's the difference if you came here
illegally, OK, we're going to give you due process.
We're going to treat you like a human being.
We are going to yes, deport you,but we're not going to send you
to some concentration death camp.
We're going to send you over theborder again, have you wait in
line for a little bit pay a fineand then if you pass the
immigration process to the rightmeans OK, congratulations, God

(32:06):
Bless America. You're an American that and.
That's the position that most Americans, even Trump
supporters, I was looking into polling, they want more legal
immigrants. They and they even want to make
the process easier for illegal immigrants because they probably
know people who are trying to get in, who have been waiting
for years and years and years. It's a very popular message.
I think one of the failures of the Biden administration was

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this inability to even go out there and speak about the
border. There was this whole thing that
was going on in the Biden among the staffers.
It was like, hey, we can't admitthat there's issues at the
border because it's going to make us look bad.
Guess what, Americans were already having a bad image about
the border and your handling on the border.
So you not speaking about it does nothing to fix it.

(32:50):
If anything, it harms you even more because it shows that you
do not give a fuck. That's one of the biggest,
biggest problems with the Biden administration.
And we saw this in the polling, how it dragged down Kamala
Harris because they wanted to give her the title of
technically, but she was supposed to deal with like
systemic issues of migration. Regardless, you gave the vice
president the role to deal with migration and some of the border

(33:13):
with no actual power, right? It's like don't give her that
position if you're not going to listen to her or do anything on
it because this makes her look bad.
So I think it's like this, it's this conversation we were
having. It's like, should we speak about
it? Should we do something about it?
Yes. And guess what if and I and I
had to argue with someone who's running for Congress in Texas,
very young person probably know what I'm talking about don't
want to mention their name, but they're running and cool.

(33:35):
And I was on TikTok live, and I was like, yeah, I think Biden
could have done more on the border.
He could have done something much earlier on the border.
No, he couldn't have done anything.
Republicans didn't want to do anything.
I'm like, yeah, I know. I agree with you.
Republicans didn't want to fix the issue.
But Biden could have issued those executive orders much
earlier. The fact that he did in June.
And by the way, I was like, do you really think a Republican
Supreme Court is going to strikedown executive orders to toughen

(33:56):
this, to toughen the border? Come on.
Like, just give me a break here.So we have this whole argument.
He's like, you don't know what you're talking about.
They tried. And I was like, maybe they try,
they were like tweaks. But again, it's, it's messaging.
And they didn't even issue thoseexecutive orders until they
until June of his fourth year inoffice.
So, and, and like, it's, it was mind boggling.

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So I was like, this is one of the issues where like Americans
very much disapproved of the Biden administration, not
because they hate immigrants, because they saw chaos on the
border. They saw these migrants getting
flown in and they thought to themselves, hey, we legitimately
can't handle all this. Let's make them come the right
way. If that means we have to be a
little tougher on the border, that's fine.

(34:36):
And I, I, and it was just an issue that we still deal with
today. And I don't know, I mean, I
don't know the way you see it, but I think it's one of those
issues where like we want immigrants to come in, come in
the legal way. Asylum is fully legal.
My family came in seeking asylumwhen I was like 3 years old,
right? That was fully legal.
We waited our turn. We had our asylum court case.
And back then, thank God, it wasjust two years.
Now it's like 8-9 years. So I see the frustration with

(34:59):
immigration groups there, but it's, it's, it's a multi faceted
issue. We need more investments in the
border. We need more immigration judges.
It's hard because everyone talksabout more Border Patrol agents.
I was sitting, I, I worked with the Homeland Security Committee
when I entered in Congress. There's aren't enough people
that are applying to be border agents.
One of my cousins who is an immigrant himself is a border
agent, right? And he even tells me we don't

(35:21):
have enough people applying because it's a dangerous ass
job. Yeah, it is.
And look, it's, it's a really complicated issue.
So when the when conservative, Imean, if you look at, I mean,
it's not just immigration. If you look at every single
thing that conservatives stand for it, they're all short term,
like band aids over long term causes.
What liberals want to do is lookat the root cause and actually
fix the damn problem, which that's by the way, we should, we

(35:42):
should be emphasizing, which is that we are serious about
governing and about solving the damn issue.
You just want to put a bandit over it.
OK. And then 10 years from now, OK,
let's let's let's put another bandit.
We're. Going to keep talking about it
every single time and just not, not going to go.
And that's their goal, right? Their goal is to exactly do
that. They want to use the border as a
political issue, but we shouldn't allow them to do so.

(36:03):
Right, exactly. And by doing that, we have to
acknowledge them hard truth, which is that the border is a
problem. We have to fix it.
And yes, it involves more stringent patrol and, and, and
and making the border quote, UN quote secure.
And also yes, it might involve some deportations of people who
are not here uncommitted. Crimes.

(36:25):
Criminal. You're out of here.
If you're a criminal, you've committed a crime.
You're out. But that all has to be done with
due process. You can't just declare, OK, you
don't belong here, you're out. Or like taking kids off the
streets and plain clothes. What are you doing?
By the way, for just expressing what they believed in if and,
and to all the conservatives outthere, like, imagine if this was
a Democratic president that was going after international

(36:47):
students who criticized him and his administration's handling of
whatever it is and they were doing this.
Please do not, do not lie to me with a straight face and tell me
you would not be outraged. I would be outraged as well
because I'm actually principled on this issue.
Exactly, and if if Joe Biden started the commanding the
Department of Homeland Security to start taking anti Biden

(37:09):
people or people who are criticizing like NATO, for
example, let's let's say they hate NATO or like hate what he's
doing in Ukraine and start supporting them or like
detaining them in the middle of the night with no answers to
where they are, what their next steps are to whether tell their
family where they are or where they're going next.
That is, I mean, I mean, I'm confident to say that's a human

(37:30):
rights violation. What are you doing?
And by the way, what happened tofreedom of speech?
Not only is this a big. Thing that conservatives always
talked about. And isn't it funny that the
people, the conservatives, will always say, Oh my, freedom of
speech is under attack, I am being censored, says this to his
20 million followers with his 5 million Twitch streamers and his
2,000,000 subscriber YouTube channel on the.
App that is literally funded by a conservative unelected

(37:53):
billionaire. Yes, yes, yeah.
My freedom of speech is a problem.
Meanwhile, anybody that disagrees with your opinions
should be silenced. Anybody that goes out and holds
a protest sign should be thrown in jail.
Anybody that comes here legally and writes an editorial that is
against your foreign policy views, deport them.
Oh, great. Yeah, of course, freedom of

(38:13):
speech. Yes, of course.
All in the name of of securing the border.
But all of this is to say that, right, the conservatives are a
mass are massive, massive hypocrites.
Now, I don't say that with the conservative people who support
conservatives, people who identify as I don't blame you.
I I consider you a friend. I consider you a brother or
sister, a patriot, fellow patriot.
And I am happy to engage in conversation with you anytime.

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But the people in the media, people and government, people in
the financial class were conservatives who are pulling
the strings. They are the ones that are
hypocrites. They are the ones that are
steering this country in the wrong direction.
They are misleading millions of people, including young people,
and taking them in a vastly, vastly wrong direction.
And I think we should be pointing that that more.

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Why is it that all of these issues never get fixed?
Why is it that conservatives always have Band-Aid issues on
them? Why?
Because they want to keep talking about these issues so
they don't have to talk about any real issues.
OK, You want to fight culture wars?
OK, liberals should fight them and we should win them.
Then close the book. Slam it shut.

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Let's talk about the real issues.
OK, You want to talk about the trans kids?
OK, great. We think trans kids should
exist. We don't want to abolish a human
being because they are the way they are.
All right, great. Next question, let's talk about
income inequality. Let's talk about how the
corruption between government and corporations.
Like I am all for capitalism. I am a strong support of

(39:39):
capitalism. I think it's the best system, at
least compared to the rest. But true actual capitalism that
doesn't involve monopolies, thatdoesn't involve, you know,
corruption with government to get favorable contracts and
treat. Exactly, exactly.
There has been a corrupt merger between corporations and the
government that favors, that gives them favorable

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regulations, that gives them favorable legislation and other
policies, and then the revolvingdoors that they make giant
contributions in Super PAC's andfinancial contributions to all
sorts of politicians, some on the left, but mostly on the
right, all in amount to repeat the cycle all over again and
perpetuating. That, I mean, we saw this with
Christian cinema. I mean, if anyone thinks that

(40:22):
money doesn't have an influence in politics, please tell me why
Christian cinema was fighting and Joe Manchin admitted that.
Joe Manchin was like, look, I was cool with expanding it, the
IRA, the Inflation Reduction Act, expanding the drug
negotiating to even more drugs, but she just wanted to cap it at
10. Why does Christian cinema, who
accepts hundreds of thousands ifnot millions of dollars from Big
Pharma, want to cap the number of drugs the government can

(40:45):
negotiate and lower the price of?
I wonder why? Right.
I mean, I, I will say that thereis one thing I do agree with her
with, Well, I agree with most ofwhat she said before she became
whatever she is now. But also I, I agree with her on
the filibuster. And that was kind of a hot take
for a while back in the binary, which is that the filibuster, as
much as we didn't want and it was impeding our, our agenda, it

(41:08):
was helpful like what Cory Booker that just did.
That's exactly why the filibuster should be there so
that when evil shit happens, we can be there to stop it so that
they don't have 51 votes and they can just pass whatever evil
shit they want it. So that's why I like, I thought
the filibuster would be a good thing.
And I also personally served in the I was at Senate page for for
a brief. And so like I got to see

(41:28):
everything up close and learn how Congress and the Senate
works. Like, there's a lot of things
that I think that goes on in Congress that are real important
that might be annoying to progressives or, you know,
there's things that happen that might not be the most favorable
of things that we want to get rid of, but they're there for a
reason at institutional guardrails to prevent bad things
from happening. There is such a as.

(41:49):
Oh, go ahead, yes. Yeah, No, just real quick.
I I think I've also come to thatpoint where I don't want to
abolish the filibuster. My issue is this.
I think what it does is that nowthis was not.
This wasn't supposed to be its point.
Yeah, I was supposed to like prevent, you know, big change
from coming and sweeping in. But I think a big issue that we

(42:09):
have today is that let's say thenext the next Democrat gets into
office and somehow they have unified government.
I don't know how the hell we're going to win the Senate, but
somehow they have unified government, right?
And they run on, hey, we're going to codify Roe.
Hey, we're going to enact all these really popular reforms
that Americans agree with, common sense reforms.
But it's the filibuster that comes in the way of doing those

(42:33):
things. And then in two years, America,
the American people go out to vote and they elect Republicans
to the House and Senate. How do you know there?
I, I, we can always do reconciliation.
I think my whole thing is like, hey, we can change the rules of
the Senate to make reconciliation a little more
broad. You can do that.
Like deep, I don't. Forget this, Republicans fired

(42:54):
the parliamentarian back in 2001when they wanted to pass their
tax cuts. Like they replace the
parliamentarian. So I'm like, there's these
tweaks that we can go around. And for example, like if you
want to raise the minimum wage, I think that belongs in
reconciliation because if you raise the minimum wage, that
directly affects the budget. So you can have millions of
people that are off welfare, which means the government's
saving money, you're going to have more to tax.

(43:15):
You can have more taxes flowing in because people's wages are
going to go up. So that directly affects the
budget. I don't understand why the
parliamentarian ruled against that when it came to the
American Rescue Plan in 21. So there's all these tweaks we
can make. We just have to actually have
the balls to make with them. Republicans do them all the
time. They do this with Supreme Court
nominations, right? It's not like it's.
And so I agree with keep the filibuster in place because I do

(43:36):
think that big change is a lot easier to get done and some
changes that maybe we don't wantthe service to get done through
removing the filibuster. But there's all these tweaks
that we can work with that we can actually pass it in the
Senate with. Exactly.
Have you ever seen the House of Cards?
I have, yeah. OK, I I agree with you like I I
agree with them the filibuster and I agree with you on making
like there are so many things that we could rule wise like

(43:58):
that wouldn't be changes that could we could easily turn back
on how we could get so much shitdone with parliamentarian easy
number one that that would basically change it.
That would that would help a lotactually.
So much. From Frank Underwood, political
jujitsu, like get shit done. And then if people are like
Republicans are like, Oh, well, you're breaking the rules or

(44:19):
that's social, OK. Delivering for the American
people. We're giving them childcare.
Let's do 50 rallies across the country, blow them all out on on
social media. Hell yeah, people.
News. Do it.
If I was president, I would be in the streets screaming from
the rooftops about why my agendais going to give you.
Why my budget needs to pass? And anybody that is against it,

(44:42):
all right, here's a list of everyone that opposes it.
You hear this, everyone write this down.
Put this in your notes. App Senator Blank.
Senator Blank. Representative Blank.
Even if they're a Democrat, if you don't vote for this, you are
out. It's over done, especially if
you're a conservative, which of course, if I was a Democratic
president, of course they would oppose to the death of
everything that I supported. But that's the strategy we need

(45:05):
to do. We need to be tough.
We need to fight. And I think that's the, I know
that's the attitude that a lot of people are trying to embrace
right now, which is a lot of what we were missing in the
Biden years and then especially now is that there was not enough
fight. We weren't going.
I think the man just physically like, love the guy.
I don't think he was physically capable to do that stuff.
Personally, I I have a differenttake.

(45:25):
Like I I still think he was verycapable.
I think he was a of course, he was a great president.
I think easily one of the top ones.
I think it would have been even better if he passed even more
stuff. I think he easily I.
Think it's going to take time for a lot of Americans to
realize a lot of the great shit that he passed.
Yeah, there's. Going to be a lot of buyer's
remorse over the next 20 years, but I, I think he's easily a top

(45:46):
like 10, maybe even five president, probably top five if
if you got a second term and he was a little bit younger.
But I definitely think yes, he like, he got a little bit more
slower as he got older, But I don't, I don't think he was
demented or anything. I don't think like he was, no.
I don't think he was demented. I think just physically like
when you get that age when you're 81 years old, like you

(46:08):
just can't do the same things you could do.
Like you've we've seen the debate with him and Paul Ryan
absolutely just dog walked Paul Ryan like just murdered on like
that was a crime scene. So I think it's like it's just
when you get older, you just geta little slower.
You can't and you know, you can't go out there and do all
those rallies. Like we saw Kamala doing 4
rallies in a single day and flying the three different

(46:30):
states, you know, and those are things that you get when you are
a little younger. So I, I think that's what I'm
talking about. It's just it's physically so
draining for older people to go out and do that.
I'm not saying you like, Bernie's been doing that, but
even he does like one rally every 2-3 days, which is still
fucking great for his age. But it just takes a toll on you
mentally and physically. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree with that. But I disagree with anybody that

(46:52):
says like, he was like, you know, rotting and rotting.
Dementia. And no, I don't.
Think so like like I, I think the job also drains like he's 81
and and he's out there. I see pictures of him out there
enjoying his retirement and he looks like 20 years younger now
after leaving office. Like it's like his life his.
Little shorts, his little biker shorts.
Yes, and and like right after the election, like he seemed so

(47:15):
rel rested. It was odd.
I mean, I mean, I, I just think like since he dropped out, he
got a lot more rest, had a lot more and less stress on his
shoulders of running a presidential campaign, of
beating Trump of And so I, I'd like, I, I disagree with anyone
that says he's dependent. I, I think he was fully capable
of the job and he was a great president.
He might have been a little older and a little slower in his

(47:35):
steps, even himself amidst that,but I think he was great.
Although one thing I, I know a lot of people point this out and
this is another hot ticket that I have.
I'm against turmoil. It's actually, whether it's in
Congress or president, I think it should be up to the will of
the people. Like if you are, you know,
because like Bernie Sanders, forexample, he is like older than
Biden. He's 85 and he's still out there

(47:56):
marching. Like, but if we had term limits,
then Bernie would have been out of here a long time ago.
And we need, even though he's not the voice I most agree with
on every single issue, we need people like him out there to
bring up those issues. Otherwise they would never get
talked about. And he's great, but that's why I
think, you know, there shouldn'tbe term limits.
There's definitely be like cognitive test to make sure that

(48:16):
you're still fit. There should definitely be, you
know, should be definitely be upto the will of people.
And although I'll know, I know that there's a Republican Con.
Excuse me, Congresswoman from Texas, Kay Granger.
Was in her literal like retirement home or something
right? And she dipped from her off and
she got reelected too. And she dude.
For like 6 months. Yeah, and.

(48:38):
How did no one wait? How did like how did the DNC not
catch? Like where was how did this not
get caught? This is insane and.
And we should have known this like before the election, so we
could have gotten an extra seat,but because, you know, the other
person is literally in a retirement home and now her
staff was running the entire office.
So a lot of people just thought,oh, maybe she was on medical

(49:00):
leave or something, which technically yes, but just it's
not, it's believe it's it's permanent.
So, but like it's at that point,like it's, I know the other
issue, like if it's up to the will of people, it's also about
information. So I of course, transparency.
We need people to be transparentand to be willing to admit that,
OK, I'm not for this anymore. It's time for somebody else to

(49:21):
do this. But if you're old, but you're
capable, you're still with it, you're great. 100 more terms.
Keep doing it until you can't. That is if you are a good person
and they're like like Bernie is great, but I I don't support
Strom Thurmond being in there till he's 120 like that was
Jesus. But I overall, I think.

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Cory Booker just broke his record.
Yeah, and he is like almost 60, which is it's pretty incredible
for him not to pee to like I was.
Thinking it was like no water, no food, but standing up for
that long. I'm like holy, like did he get
to sit down? Was there any sitting down?
Yeah, he did get to sit down. He did a couple of interviews
afterwards. But God, and I know he like wore

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these giant ass bulky like running shoes that I get.
I mean, that helped a little bit.
I'm guessing he didn't drink anywater, didn't eat any foods
since like a couple days before that and of course, like a
podium to lean on. So I'd, you know, I, I think it
looked easier than it than it might have been, but it I mean,

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God stand there for 25 hours. I.
Can't do that. I I wouldn't be able to do it.
And as a like a 56 year old man,I mean bravo.
Pretty fucking impressive. That is, that is very
impressive. But I mean, we need more people
like him. We need to, even if it's
performative, we need to be out there making the case, making

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the message. Because one of the things as a
broader kind of criticism of howwe've done things with young
people is that we've been absent.
We're we have not shown up, especially with around election
time, like we always go to the very liberal campuses and it's
always right. Just register to vote, get out
to vote, you know, and and so on.
But what about all the trade schools?

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What about all of the state schools?
What about, you know, so on? And I'm sure different camping
have done different things. So it's not a criticism of
anybody. I think everybody did the right
thing. They did what they were supposed
to do. They thought they did what they
thought would work, but of course it wasn't enough.
But I think it's all about showing up to different places.
I mean, Charlie has turning. I mean, Turning Point has

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chapters all the way in like Deep Blue, San Francisco, New
York, Boston. Pretty sure we have a use.
They have a use like he's here every other week.
It feels like he has a U Silly chapter 2 I think.
Yeah, and and that's because hisphilosophy is go everywhere.
Don't leave a single place uncontested, even if they Boo
you, even if they scream at you even.

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OK, fine. Keep talking.
William, me and you have to go to the University of Alabama.
Yes, we have to. That would be so funny to go to
the University of Alabama. I would, I would legitimately go
there and just like speak to them.
I would love to do that. 100% I mean, look the path forward for,

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for Dream for America. I mean, we have got a lot of
stuff. I mean, last two years has
really just been the like building and fundraising and
putting it to, I mean, it's onlybeen like me and like two other
three other guys for most of thetime here.
But now we have gotten so much new interest, so much organic
surge and support. We, we have to, I mean, we are,
it's, we've run into two problems.

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It's a, we've run into a financial problem.
Like we raised half a million, but now we need to raise more
money to, to sustain all of this.
And as a, because we've been an all volunteer team, now we need
to just bring on a shit ton of more volunteers because three to
five people isn't going to suffice anymore.
Now we, it's, it's going to be, we're going to have to build up
a bigger team. We're doing the conference, of
course, we are going to have at least 250 chapters on, on campus

(52:57):
by the end of this year. Hopefully that's our goal to
have 1000 members to have at least 100 events held maybe.
And then maybe next year we can do tours.
I know there's some other groupsworking on some different campus
tours, so I think that's great. But overall I think this is
really exciting and 2026 is going to be exciting and 2028

(53:20):
even more so. It's only going to be up from
here and we're only getting. Started We really can't go
anymore. But we, we, we can't lose that
much more guys. We really can't.
Actually, yeah, that's true. We can't.
Theoretically, yeah, we absolutely could lose a lot
more, but it is only up from here.
I mean, when you're at basicallyrock bottom, there's only one
way to go but up. Up.

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Yeah, that is the one silver lining here.
Wrap this up and then just want to say thank you so much,
William, and everything that you're doing. 16 years old,
fucking awesome dude. And I agree with you so much.
I think this you are the type ofperson we need out there talking
to these young people, but talking to everyone, like you

(54:01):
said, there's people from all ages joining these protests,
joining the movement. And even if we only agree on
like two or three issues, let's have let's have a conversation
and see where we can go from here.
So William, I'm going to link everything in our bio.
You guys have a way more followers than us, so we're
probably not going to help you out that much.
But do you want to do you want to say thank you and then let's

(54:22):
get you back with the full squad?
I definitely want Dylan to be here and then Ben and Max so
well, I know you're busy right now.
You're finishing senior year, soenjoy that.
I sound like an unk bro. Holy shit.
But enjoy everything and you aregoing to do amazing at college.
Just what are you? What are you studying, by the
way? Government.

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OK fuck yeah. I'm I'm political science and
history, so like basically the same thing.
But I'm, I'm, I'm hoping to finish as soon as I can.
I mean, depending on how those AP tests go, I'll, I'll have
enough credits to maybe even finish in three years.
Who knows there? You go, that's amazing.
But yeah, I mean, thanks for having me on the show.
I mean, maybe let's let's get you out to DC for the conference

(55:03):
and maybe we'll have you do a live to.
I would love to do that. I'd get the get the progressive
crew out there. I have some friends out there I
would love to do that. And hey, we, we know we just
started. We also, we kind of started
after the election. We have like 1 video that has
like 4000 views that's like, oh,but you know, we have like over
15,000 streams right now. So I do want to thank all our
listeners. We have some loyal listeners and

(55:25):
kind of we just got to put in the work and and keep going and
just inviting different voices. And I've always thought about
like doing some TikTok, just hopping on TikTok and doing some
videos. So progressive on TikTok.
Maybe we'll see. And yeah, thank you, William.
Thanks for having me on.