Christi Myers on Ketamine Therapy, PTSD, and Healing Brain Trauma

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey folks, welcome to another episode of Broken
Brains with your host, BruceParkman, sponsored by the Mack
Parkman Foundation, the nationalvoice in repetitive brain
trauma, and what this mentalhealth crisis is doing to our
veterans, athletes and kids.
Our podcast is all about thoseissues in the form of repetitive
head impacts and repetitiveblast exposure for our veterans,

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where our kids, our adult, ourathletics, our athletes and
veteran brains are being changedand damaged by the exposure to
this long-term subconcussivetrauma that is resulting in the
largest preventable cause ofmental illness in this country.
And why is this important?
Because this is not trained inany medical, nursing or
psychological institute oftraining, so our entire medical

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population is unaware that thissituation exists and these young
kids and these veterans andthese athletes go misdiagnosed,
mistreated, and that is whywe're having this is partially
why we're having this hugeproblem with mental health in
our in our athletic and sportscommunities and our veterans,
veterans communities and onlyyou, with education, can become

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informed and make rightdecisions to protect yourself
and those that you love.
So that's why we're here, Plusthe fact that we get to work
from the Mack Parkman Museumhere in Anna Maria, Florida, and
we get to work with amazingguests, researchers, scientists,
authors that we bring in, andtoday is no exception.
It's going to be an excitingshow.
I want to introduce Ms ChristyMyers, who's an EMTP and an MS

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and the founder and CEO of FlowIntegrative, a psychedelic
wellness clinic in Encintas,California.
With over 20 years as aparamedic and educator and we
have to understand how muchtrauma these EMS people see in
their careers, and I didn'tunderstand it until I started
attending some of thesepsychedelic experiences.
She now leads the integrationof ketamine-assisted therapy to

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treat trauma, depression, PTSDand anxiety, especially amongst
first responders and veterans.
A former emergency responderfor agencies, including the
Department of Defense in SanBernardino County, Ms Myers saw
the deep impact of traumafirsthand.
She holds degrees in emergencymedical technology, public
safety administration andorganization leadership and is a

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certified integrative mentalhealth professional.
Under her leadership, FloatIntegrative has become a model
clinic in the Nthea network,offering psychedelic therapy
through innovative partnerships.
Ms Myers is a passionateadvocate for expanding access
and breaking the stigma aroundpsychedelic mental health care,

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and this is one of the issuesthat we need more than ever is
when it comes to RBT and mentalhealth treatments.
Ms Myers, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Thank you, bruce, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Great, how did you get into this?
I mean, obviously there'salways a story between
somebody's career and where theyend up right now.
So let's talk, man.
What's uh?
How'd you get?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
ketamine found me.
So, yeah, at the time I wasearning tenure as a professor
and ketamine entered our drugbox.
So if you were to go right nowacross the nation, a large
majority of fire departments andprivate ambulance companies
carry ketamine as a primarytreatment for pain.

(03:32):
Excited delirium.
Just depends on the county andyour medical director and what
we're using it for.
And so, at the time, I wasteaching anatomy, physiology,
pharmacology and the theoreticalside of medicine as it pertains
to EMS.
I lectured on ketamine threetimes a year to all different

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cohorts of individuals, whichjust allowed my knowledge base
to deepen immensely, especiallyas I pertained it to the anatomy
and physiology.
And then simultaneously, right,we're encroaching on COVID.
The mental health crisis wasnot necessarily being witnessed
to the magnitude as whathappened during those years with

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COVID.
However, I was watchingstudents with the compounding
stressors.
They were becoming suicidal.
Some were actually takingaction or we were
self-sabotaging to the pointwith overconsumption of alcohol
or sugar or fingering our phones.

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The time, the embodiment of whatI was doing right, to truly
allow people to become the mostevolved version of themselves,
but on their own timeline.
And what I mean by that is Itold them what they needed to
accomplish in order to besuccessful.
It was none of my business howthey got there, as long as they

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stayed in integrity, allowingpeople to truly become the most
evolved version of themselves,without my essentially rules of
engagement, right.
Here's the standard, here's theintegrity.
And if there's one thing, bruce, that we all know is you can't
fake medicine, it gets exploitedreally quickly, right.

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And so if you cheat, you onlycheat yourself, because, at the
end of the day, you still haveto take all the practical side
of it, and it gets exploitedreally quickly if you don't know
what the hell you're doing.
And so it was just this amazingopportunity to watch students
flourish to the greatest oftheir capacity and, at the same

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time, when COVID hit, well as itprogresses.
When COVID hit, it was veryclear to me that I needed to
start building this on a missionto help the help.
If you see a problem, you donothing about the problem.
You are indeed the problem, andthat was one of my mantras

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early on in the roles that Iheld.
And so I set out, and it wasnothing short of phenomenal of
the way the universe justcontinuously kept unfolding with
what I was creating as aco-creation to truly what I
believe is evolve ourconsciousness and transcend

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suffering.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, we're going to get to all those concepts here
pretty quick, because there's alot of you know.
You know there's a lot ofthings that I would love people
to understand when they starttalking about themselves, their
ego and where that is.
You know how that part of themis prohibiting them from truly
growing as as a human being.

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But first, when did you, howdid you become aware of you know
?
You know ketamine.
Of course, our medics inspecial forces carry it in their
kits.
We've had, you know, some caseswhere they have abused it or
you know what they were dealingwith, Right.
So, but how did you transitionfrom your knowledge and
awareness of ketamine as a painmedicine to ketamine as a, you

(07:13):
know, mental health treatmentprotocol?
And the ability to you knowchange, you know for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, when I started lecturing farm right.
So if you look at my background, I've been boots on the ground
for 20 years and, as I wasevolving, involving in education
, I just finished my master'sdegree and I stepped into
pharmacology and I was like whatyou know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
like I didn't go.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I didn't want to go here I mean you can, but those
teachers get exploited soquickly, right?
I mean you know who knows whatthey're talking about and who
doesn't, and so I, I would.
I mean, I was just as much backin medic school as the, as the
students, so that I could standin that classroom and deliver
information competently.
Plus, too, it's in my nature tounderstand what the hell it is

(08:00):
I'm doing.
Otherwise, what the hell am Idoing it for?
And so, the more I lectured onthe farm, you got to look at the
off-label usage, and this isone of the biggest conversations
around ketamine.
Right, I would venture to say75% and that's me even being
conservative medications arebeing used off-label.

(08:20):
And if you look at the historyof ketamine, it actually
replaced a PCP in the operatingroom.
And so the the gift in mycapacities with lecturing, right
.
I would take the intro to EMS.
We're not very old as aprofession.
I mean shit less than maybe 60years ago we used to transport
people in hearses, and if yourGlasgow coma scale was less than

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eight, we took your ass to themorgue.
You mean, people woke up in amorgue because they were simply
unconscious, but our assessmentdidn't allow for us to even know
that that's what was happening,because we, we were so
rudimentary.
That's what we kind of forgetas a nightmare scenario.
I think we can do better.
That's what the whole Glasgowscale right, like the Glasgow

(09:09):
coma scale.
If you were less than eight,you were deemed dead and so you
got put into a hurt.
I mean we're very early in allof this, especially medicine,
right?
I mean it's not very old as aprofession, and what most aren't
acknowledging is that we're allpracticing.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Practicing.
I like that yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Medicine, right, and most doctors are not talking
shit, right, but they're feelingto be honest enough to be like
hey man, I just startedpracticing.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I might not know everything.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I know little buddy, but once you see the same
clinical presentations over andover again, you start to have
the commonalities right.
So I can see CHF from a mileaway.
Same with hypertension.
I mean, you get so good atwitnessing the commonalities,
but they're just differentclinical presentations because
of the individual, not becauseof the disease processes, and

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now we're manifesting even moreinteresting dysregulations and
disorders.
But I would argue that it'sbecause of the depth of the
unconsciousness that we're inthe body doesn't have the
opportunity to stay in stasis orit's constantly fighting itself
, which now we're in the bodydoesn't have the opportunity to
stay in stasis, or it'sconstantly fighting itself,
which now we're seeing thiscompounding and for sure.

(10:33):
And so, with that being said,there was a lot of information
that I was presentingconcurrently while also bringing
in the pharmacology.
So we carry a multitude ofmedications frontline that we
give emergently, and a largemajority of those are off-label,
and so if you go down therabbit hole of off-label usage,

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you can see that all of thesehave different capacities.
It's the dosing, and so for me,ketamine is conscious sedation,
and when I worked in theemergency room we used it almost
daily on pediatrics.
It's one of the safestmedications we have and it's
recognized globally for that.
Then you look at the ORapplications, which is much

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higher than what we're doingsub-anesthetically.
And then you look at the waythat we're giving it in EMS and
that is actually one of theleast documented dosing
structures and we're doing itdaily, no questions asked,
because somebody made a protocol.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
For pain.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, it's cancer, it's sickle cell, it's pain.
We have the capacity tosignificantly reduce PTSD in the
field, but we're learning howto yield it and what's
fascinating to me is there isnot many psychological questions
that go alongside of it.
Oh yeah, and so this is whereit's like okay, if not, who?

(12:00):
If not me, then who?
My gift of building protocolsand lecturing and the capacities
and the knowledge.
It was like okay, christy, thisis how we make an impact.
And I just started building andwhat that transpired into was
and you made mention I built outthe first employer-driven

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benefit for ketamine in theworkplace and my, so you're
getting insurance is this?
this is um I just went tonetwork with triwest.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
It is a complete mess , dude, we gotta talk, man,
that's that is.
That is really criticalinformation to get out and and
uh, and I want our listeners tounderstand, um, if we could talk
a little bit, um, and I knowyou're getting around to that,
but you know you're talkingabout the farmer, even the
pharmacological, the farmercollege big word big word

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Wednesday.
It is big word Wednesday, yeah,and use as well, but it's all
about pain, it's all.
It's not about mental illness.
It's not about transcending andunderstanding and unloading
trauma or resolving trauma.
How did we get from ketaminethe medicine that off-label

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whether it's use of sedation,anesthesia, off-label use that
you saw it to where we're nowseeing and I would say, the
successful use.
I have done ketamine for a longtime and the successful use of
ketamine in the mental healtharea.
But it's still a fight andyou're making strides, thanks

(13:37):
man, yeah, and that's the truthof it.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
And I would be lying to you if I didn't tell you that
my protocol hasn't evolvedimmensely from my first
administrations, and that'swhere it's very transparent in
my delivery.
Okay, you're meeting themedicine and it's meeting you.
But first I was the firstperson to drop in to see if what
, and my first dose, bruce, Iwas running variables, right,
I'm like a 0.4 mix per kg, a 0.4mix per kg.

(14:09):
And so there's this fine line,right, it's a sense of like,
don't getting high on your ownsupply and you could potentially
lose everything, versus likewhat the hell is it?
I put myself through myprotocol very intentionally to
see if what I'm asking isobtainable, and this is the
developmental process.
And so back to come full circle,when you look at it from the

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limbic system.
And now, this is when I waslecturing and tying all of the
pharmacological side intoanatomy and physiology.
Because, let's get real, for alarge majority of us, as we're
learning, we data dump, and I'mno different, right, when I was
going through medic school.
There's so much informationthat you're learning, fram it,

(14:51):
exam it, dump it onto the nextright, and so when you start
lecturing on it.
That's a whole different story,and so the knowledge base that
I was relearning was phenomenal,because now I'm a decade into
actually practicing, so there'sa whole nother level of
comprehension as I'm deliveringinformation.

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And if you look at the limbicsystem and this is where
ketamine has nothing short ofphenomenology because of its
capacity to take us out ofsurvival temporarily because of
its capacity to take us out ofsurvival temporarily, when you
take survival offline now,you're allowing for the body to
go into automaticity.

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You're allowing the heart andthe breath to have coherency.
Otherwise, when we're enmeshedin survival with hurry and worry
and speed and aggression, ourbody is responding as if we're
threatened and we're sittingstill.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And that's something that you know I'd like the
audience to understand.
About ketamine and Christy,please explain this.
Is that, um, you know, the, the, the medicine, um, uh, you know
, allows you?
I mean, explain to the audience.
You know I've been through, youknow, many ketamine sessions,
right?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Everyone different.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Was it IV or how'd you take it?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I oh I like IV.
I just feel that IV is the best.
I've tried IM.
I will not do the nasal stuff.
The IM was okay but the IV, Ithink provides.
And then I had to experimentwith my own.
I mean, I was talking to theguys how much you give me, and
so I said I don't like this hourthing, I don't like coming out
in 40 minutes.
I want to get more out of this.

(16:41):
So we went an hour and a halftwo hours.
I was down for two days,couldn't even move, man, my
brain was so tired.
But I also want to dial intoneuroplasticity and why I think
ketamine is so important from abrain damage, not just a trauma
perspective, but explain to theaudience why ketamine is so
effective when it comes tomental health, anxiety,

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depression.
I mean, I am a six, I would saya success story.
I was a basket case three and ahalf years ago and I just
stumbled across, you know,ketamine with stelae ganglion
blocks.
It was a combination oftherapies that was being used by
special operations guys andfirst responders, but a lot of
people and they say, you know,they don't.

(17:23):
They're either afraid or theydon't understand that this is
safe, that you know where you'reat and your experiences are
positive, and even if they'renegative, they're positive
because of what you're goingthrough is helping you evolve.
Can you touch upon that?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
For sure sharing.
One thing I do want to helpreframe is that when you said
you were down for two days and Iwant to just help you with, uh,
allowing you to witness this so, myself included, when I
finished my professional careerin helicopters doing hover step
outs and you know what I meanlike you're, you're full

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throttle, the military.
We are very paramilitary right,and in that, think about the
thresholds you're creating.
So your adrenal glands aredirectly being impacted because
of catecholamines, and so whenyou work with ketamine, your
body then shows you from a newawareness just how tired you are

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, and so that two days you speakof is truly the magnitude of
you resting and repairing, andit's to the depth that we've
been exhausted that now themedicine's allowing us to see
that level of fatigue forrepairing.
It's the adrenal glands.

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Man, think about how much wecan.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
We don't have any, they're all drained.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I've been intentionally repairing my
adrenal glands and you don'trealize the magnitude until you
retire or you transition,because we're also taught to
push through.
I could be tired as shit 36hours on the line and you're
still doing the work.
And now we're packingpre-workout in our cheeks
because we don't want to evendrink the water with it.
Right, you're just letting itstabilize.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So talk about, like a lot of our listeners are
military first responders thatare having issues and so how
would they understand or know,like, what are the symptoms of
adrenal gland fatigue?
Right, that you know that they,you know they're all coming to
this from different perspectiveswith limited knowledge.

(19:36):
So you know, you know if they,you know, obviously, what you,
you know, what you justdiscussed would be very
important for them to understand.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
For sure.
Well, I mean, on one end of thespectrum, we manifest impotency
.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Okay, big problem with our.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Oh, it's a huge People are medically retiring
for it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh, we've got doctors giving testosterone to
36-year-old men when they reallyneed to be helping them.
You know, know, let theirnatural system recovery, because
that's just a tragic optionright now, because now you're
like a customer you stopproducing it organically and now
you are reliant on syntheticusage, and I mean to give

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awareness.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Ketamine is in the same category as testosterone as
far as its scheduling, and soanother fascinating thing, bruce
, and we can unpack that as welltoo, but why do we think that
we can give ketamine but notreceive it?
And so if you look at a largemajority of our profession,
they're all on testosterone,completely normalized, and it's

(20:40):
a, and that's when I give it outlike peanuts now I mean, they
just look for reasons to give itdifferent, different topic, but
same same, same right, and it'sjust kind of interesting to me
the mindset around it.
So, one uh, the fatigue.
The other thing that we see iswe're distracting ourselves

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immensely, right, and so, uh,most of us are addicted to
overtime and continuouslyworking, because where we
experience the most adrenaldeficiency is when we go home.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
You'll hear when you when you need it the most for
sure.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And now we're not showing up for our kids, we're
not showing up for our wives.
We have lack of engagement.
We have all of these thingsright, and now we're just
chasing the dragon with tryingto feel something, which is for
some extreme sports.
Right now we're riding ourmountain bike fast as shit down
the biggest hill that we canfind so we can feel something.
Or we're going down thelustrous side and now we're

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having interesting experienceswith oxytocin and lust.
Or we're chemically addicted toour phone and pornography.
Or we're over consumingcaffeine and we're pushing
through and we're short, fusedand tempered, and so now we're

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unpredictable with the lashingout because our body truly is so
tired and we're pushing through.
And now you look at thecompounding effect.
So here comes endocrinecollapse and we're normalizing
diabetes.
Right, you know, many peopleare just walking around with
glucometers tacked into theirtricep as if it's a standard

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thing.
We're normalizing it and by thetime the endocrine system
collapses and we're experiencingthat the adrenal glands have
shit the bed a long time ago,and now we're also.
We can't go into actual sleep,and so now sleep's compromised.
Now here comes the medicationroute.
So now I'm gonna hit you withsome trazodone, I'm gonna hit
you with some ambient I'm gonnahit you with.

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Or we're, uh, you know, overconsuming melatonin, which that
also is compromising our body'snatural ability to regulate
circadian rhythm.
And then where we have thisinteresting capacity is it's
like well, fuck it, then I'mgoing back to work.
So now I'm seven days on, eightdays on, nine days on, because
that at least I have sustained.

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I'm not witnessing themagnitude of my fatigue by going
into an environment thatdoesn't have the same type of
stimulation.
And you see that, especially inemergency medicine, you're on a
call, right, and now you got toremember the thresholds we're
creating.
So if my worst call, which isone of the most notorious

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questions, asked, right, what'sthe worst thing that you've seen
?
It's fucked up to answer, butwe all have it.
So now that's my threshold.
And so if I'm not on a callthat is creating a physical
response through adrenaline,it's lackluster.
And so then we see, if I'm onan abdominal pain for three

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months, most likely it's goingto piss me off.
And so now I'm not showing upto render care, right, I'm
showing up listening to theradio, wishing I was on a GSW,
or stabbing or whatever'spopping off on the radio, so
you're not there for yourpatients popping off on the
radio, so you're not there foryour patients.
Oh yeah.

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So now you're either dumpingthem in the and not saying like
this isn't depicting EMS poorly,right, but this is what we're
truly facing as a culture, right?
And so now these calls that arelackluster, we're forgetting
how we show up in public servicebecause we're attaching a

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chemical feeling to themagnitude of the call we're
experiencing.
And so a majority of the callsare honestly.
Let's get real.
I would venture to say a largepercentage of EMS calls don't
necessarily need 911, but we'rebeing used as frontline
providers because of themagnitude of the ER backups and

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we have a huge systemic problem.
You can't get into your PCP oryour primary dog for three
months.
Shit's going on.
You also don't want to drive tothe hospital yourself or you're
not Ubering.
So I'm going to call 911 andI'm going to get right up to the
hospital let's see what's goingon.
And you have two choices.
When you're a medic, you caneither educate them and be like

(25:13):
hey, man, I'm gonna most likelytake you to the emergency room
because this is not an emergencyand we're not primary care and
we're educating in the field.
But that's even.
We're missing that componentright now because of the burnout
.
We're just like fuck it get in,but that's even.
We're missing that componentright now because of the burnout
.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
We're just like fuck it, get in.
Yeah, you know I talk to peoplea lot and you're covering a lot
of ground here, christy.
That's really important.
And I do want to get to anotheraspect of ketamine that I feel
is important.
But no, I mean, this is amazingbecause I tell police officers
all the time, I just don't knowhow you do it and until I
started leveraging psychedelicsto improve my brain health and

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my mental health, I never reallyengaged with first responders.
You know, I had some friendsthat were cops, you know, and I
never really met EMS.
And actually one of thefacilitators at the ayahuasca
ceremonies that I've beenthrough is an EMS lady who has
seen a lot and she is a very, Iwould say, universally connected
, spiritual, just a monster,just a wonderful woman that has

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helped so many veterans.
I go to these ceremonies towatch and I've done my share to
the point where it's enormously.
I've seen the benefitspersonally and as an observer.
But police officers taking thatlike soldiers when we go, we're

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gone for six months and, yeah,we'd always prefer war to just a
J-set or a training mission,because you know like you're
talking about the edge.
Hey, man, you know I'm not.
I don't want to waste my timewith that.
Why should I train right now?
Let's do the real thing Right.
So and that's one of thereasons we have repetitive blast
exposure problems in themilitary is because we don't

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just want to train, we want totrain like it's war.
So we throw a lot of bombs inthere and we are messing our
brains up unnecessarily Because,look, once you know how to
shoot a gun.
You know how to shoot a gun,all right.
No, once you know how to make abreaching charge and put it on
a door, okay, you know how to doit.
Yeah, you got to practice it acouple times a year, but you
don't have to do it every damnday.
And so, but with our firstresponders to include, you know,

(27:22):
ems, fire and police the factthat they have to go home every
night or every two days, I meanI cannot.
It's one of the reasons Istayed single my entire military
career is I could not evencontemplate being a dad and a
husband.
I was just having fun.
You don't have to grow up inthe military, in your world.

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You have to be an adult.
You have to adult every day anddeal with these high stress
situations that end up impactingyou as a person chemically.
A whole nine yards, and it'sjust a lot, but the thing that I
think you're exposing here isthat so many of our first
responders don't know how to askfor help, and they don't know,

(28:07):
they don't understand whythey're medicating.
They just know that they'resuffering or they think they're
crazy, and they don't understandthe physiological complexities
that are resulting from theircareers in the person who they
are right now.
Right, and that there is achance for them to become
somebody else.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Right, and it's catecholamines.
And if you look atcatecholamines, they're being
produced endogenously from theadrenal Can you explain
catecholamines, because that isa new one for me and probably
most of the people on this call.
So we are the drugs right,meaning we produce epinephrine,

(28:52):
norepinephrine, acetylcholine,oxytocin, dopamine and serotonin
as the most incredible drugsthat have the capacities and a
beautiful example of that is anorgasm, the magnitude of the
drugs that we can create inconnection and procreation and
adrenal function.
If we're exhausting those drugsnow, this little guy is

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dopamine, that's the hits ofreward.
And so the more we saturateourselves with synthesizing and
not truly achieving, or in humanconnection and separation.
And serotonin, which occurs ingut and as well like, if you
look at it, it's a 90, 10 or 80,20, depending on the text that

(29:38):
you read.
But those catecholamines canbecome exhausted and mismanaged
based off of the circumstantialsof our environment, especially
as it pertains to shift work.
Now they run dual purpose, soone, there's an environmental
feeling and there is acontemplative or thinking.

(30:02):
And so if I am sitting stillthinking, ruminating, and so if
I am sitting still thinking,ruminating, conjuring, I can
create a catecholamine responsewhich is through fear.
And so now, if I am worried orhurried, or in speed or
aggression, epinephrine iscoursing through my veins and

(30:23):
body, and it's bodynorepinephrine right, which is a
vessel response.
And so now I'm restricted.
So now my breath is shallow, myheart is racing and I am
surging, but I'm sitting still.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Wasting all that energy.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
For sure.
And so think about theexhaustive capacities in the
body.
Physiologically, that's how theadrenal glands shit the bed.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I have been there a couple of times, just in
business alone, not talkingabout the military, just life
Right, and I think there's a lotof people resonating with that
right now.
But quick question as a soldierdoes an orgasm use catecholines
or produce them?
I mean because, soldiers,that's one of our sex, sex sex,
you know.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, sure.
Well, that's how we confuselust and love.
When you're on the hunt, right,and you're essentially trying
to satisfy an urge, your body isproducing this pheromone
connection to attract a mate,and early in adulthood we're

(31:27):
surging, right.
And so then we're just lookingfor a place to dump If we're in
our primal behavior and not in aconscious state, which is why
you see so many people nowtalking about semen retention
and what that allows for for theenergy that it creates, because
we're not just simplydischarging, which is why you'll

(31:50):
see the different levels ofconsciousness as it pertains to
where they're willing to puttheir business.
It's primal.
And so now, if I don't haveessentially a moral compass or a
level of integrity in mycapacities, of my consciousness,
I'm even willing to go find aglory hole.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So if you're in a committed relationship that you
know where you're not hunting orwhatever, then you're
fulfilling that primal needwithout you're saving your
catecholines.
I guess or for, or using thembetter, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
For sure.
Well, if you're practicingsemen retention and that's even
a variable right Cause, are wein a trauma bonded relationship?
Are we in a consciousrelationship?
Or do I just have access togetting some nightly and I'm
tolerating it, but I'm stillfantasizing and ruminating and
we're you know what I mean Like.
So there's a, there's somestuff to unpack, wow yeah.

(32:49):
Which is why adultery becomesone of the most sought after
drugs.
I mean, look at how much we'reprevalent for it in EMS, right?
Adultery is all over the place,because think about the
lustrousness I mean I've, yes,the lustrousness behind it.
Now, that feeling of chasingthe potential of getting caught.

(33:13):
This creates a whole notherthrill, and so now we're chasing
that and it's usuallycatastrophic at the end, right?
I mean, most of that comes downto the fact that I don't have
the courage to tell you hey, I'mnot interested anymore, because
we initially confused lust withlove.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yep, could you?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
imagine if you're honest and we're like, hey, man,
I just want to get laid and Idon't want to lie to you and
tell you that I'm interested inyou.
I simply just want to have funwith you.
That conversation is a whole,nother thing than this foe.
I love you, but I also loveyour sister and her friends.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I'll create it because of your decades of being
a cop or a soldier, and whatthe impact is.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, now we're chasing feelings, right, and so
that has a different profession,because if we don't have
connection right and this iswhere the wives and daughters
and children need to be included, in the sense of if I don't
have the capacity to tell youthe shit that I just saw, now
I'm creating even moredisconnection.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
And so many men and women do not talk about their
experiences For sure, for sure.
I mean, yeah, and that'ssomething that, because we just
don't want to burden people with, I mean I can't imagine coming
back from picking up anautomobile accident, right, and
you know whatever, you knowyou've seen as EMS and having to
share that.
But you're saying that if youdo share it, it helps.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
you know, from an understanding perspective create
the or keep the bonds that youcreated, for sure.
So it's to what capacities?
Otherwise we'recompartmentalizing.
I mean, there's amultiplicities of the
consciousness that is beingshared between the majority, but
early on, a lot of times we'repicking significant others based
off of our unresolved traumaand that bonding which then we

(35:04):
just keep perpetuating, which iswhere domestic violence comes
online, and you have all ofthese other things that we could
unpack and talk about in depth.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Wow, that'd be a whole series of shows here to
get into that stuff.
But yeah, I mean.
So one of the issues withketamine and is, you know, from
my perspective, as we talk aboutrepetitive brain trauma, is it
is I, I am of the opinion thatketamine actually makes the

(35:34):
brain work like it makes it flexlike a muscle, like it, because
I am so tired afterwards, like,but I feel like good tired,
like I just ran a marathon withmy brain.
And when we deal withrepetitive brain trauma, we're
dealing with sometimessignificant physiological damage
to the brain that has resultedin mental illness, not just from

(35:56):
trauma or from, you know,patterns of our youth or
generational, multi-generationalpatterns of alcoholism or
whatever.
We have an issue.
We have a physiological issueas well and I am of the opinion
that ketamine has, you know, interms of neuroplasticity, you
know rewiring allowing.

(36:18):
There's a concept I learned theother day where you know it
allows the brain, differentparts of the brain that are
usually restricted from talkingto each other, to communicate,
opening up new.
You know new, you know the wayyou can put things together in a
ketamine experience, with thoseaha moments goes.
That's why I feel that way, orwhatever is amazing.
So can you, can we talk alittle bit about how ketamine

(36:42):
impacts the brain physiology?
What's actually going on whenyou're having these experiences
or these?
You know these, you know you'regoing through these events.
How's that impacting the brainphysiologically?
Because it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
For sure, and this will tie in beautifully, bruce.
In a sense, the limbic systemis responsible for displaying
information from the back of thebrain forward right.
We're perceiving ourenvironment nanoseconds before
we can think about it, and sowhen you temporarily take the
limbic system offline which isthe importance of IV and that is

(37:18):
my expertise you take thelimbic system offline
sequentially, intentionally anddose specifically, which is
really important to remember.
This is not a go big or go home, and it definitely less is more
.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
This fucking sledgehammer approach is not in
the highest good right.
And so when you take the limbicsystem offline now, you're
giving neurologically thecapacities for consciousness,
new consciousness, to usher in.
So we're disengaging thedefault mode network, we're
temporarily taking survivaloffline.
And so that's the reason whyyou're so exhausted is because

(37:59):
of the magnitude of the thingsthat you've experienced on earth
in life thus far.
The variability in that is tothe individual.
You take a 25-year-old in hereand they're going to bounce back
within two hours.
It's not until we becomefurther down the line.
Anyways, now the pituitary glandhas the opportunity to scan as

(38:21):
a master gland.
Now we're repatterning this VQmismatch of being shallow in our
breath.
So now the vena cava, the aorta, the vagus nerve, the phrenic
nerve, all that run through thediaphragm, have these capacities
now to start actuallycommunicating with the physical

(38:42):
body.
This is where r and r comes in.
If we've been shallow and underduress and not breathing
purposefully and intentionally,imagine the portal, backup
pressure that's occurring in allcapacities.
And so now you're actuallywitnessing the magnitude of the

(39:02):
fatigue in the body.
At the same time you'reexperiencing the mirroring as we
unpack the information that hasbeen acquiesced or stored in
the amygdala and the hippocampus.
It's a developmental process.
The question I get asked oftenis how many sessions do I need?
And it's like well, how muchtrauma is stored and how much

(39:25):
have you processed and how muchhave you suppressed?
Because the other thingprofessionally is that people
are like well, I know what's inthere, I don't want to see it.
You're like well, it's still inthere.
That's the unconsciousnessthat's running you and I'm not
sure if I can present this, butI just put this together as a
presentation and I would love toshow you what I mean by the

(39:45):
unconsciousness and themagnitude of what we're
unpacking.
And this example that I wouldlike to show is from a medically
retired firefighter, paramedicwho has complex PTSD and TBI, to
show you what it is, as theindividual, of what we're
unpacking.
And I would love for us to beable to and I say us as a

(40:09):
profession, to be able to showmore of.
Why aren't we doing EEGs beforewe work with the medicine?
Or for some of us, we are right.
Let me see if I can pull thisup here.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
This will be a first Case of beer, denny.
Every time we do something inSpecial Forces.
For the first time it's a caseof beers.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Let's see if it'll let me.
So making me open my systemsettings.
Perfect, let's do this andlet's see, put in my little
password I just put.
Yeah, it's going to make mequit and open.
Anyways, what this shows, andit's nothing short of phenomenal
, right, I did a lot of workwith HRV and pulling up the

(40:52):
current brainwave states andwhat I was witnessing is the
magnitude of the unconsciousnessas it pertains to delta
brainwave states.
A large majority of us arewalking around earth right now
completely unconscious or 80%,70%, a large percentage of our
capacity.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
And explain, explain consciousness, because this is a
concept that's pretty new to me.
From you know dealing with myego and and finding my path to
you know from you know from aspiritual growth perspective.
So explain to the audience.
You know cause, you know fromyou know from a spiritual growth
perspective, so explain to theaudience.
You know cause.
You know you're not walkingaround unconscious, but you know
from this perspective you kindof are.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Neurologically, we're asleep, and so a great example
is where we, as professions, wetalk about alpha as being a type
of man.
Alpha is a type of brainwavestate, is a type of brainwave
state.
You either have it as adominant brainwave or you don't,
which then we see beta and wecan be in different forms of

(41:59):
beta.
High beta is more of a chaosthinking, which gets
misinterpreted as ADHD.
And then we have delta, whichdelta is only supposed to be
prevalent when we're sleeping,and so, as an adaptation
response, when we're in thesestressful situations, the brain
will literally put itself into adelta for trauma adaptation.
And so now we're not using theprefrontal cortex for conscious

(42:26):
thinking, right, and so, if youlook developmentally, we're
taking information from theenvironment, we're running it
through the limbic system, butfirst we're playing it through
all the scenarios that we'veever acquiesced as a human,
through the amygdala, throughthe hippocamp, and now we're
sequencing it to create ourreality through the prefrontal

(42:46):
cortex, and the prefrontalcortex doesn't even come online
fully until we're 25.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, yeah, and that's another problem and this
is a good point, and we bringthis up in the book that I had
to write after I lost my son isthat the prefrontal cortex
doesn't start developing until14.
It takes 80% of the exposurefrom contact sports and when we
have a damaged prefrontal cortex, which is the CEO of the brain,
we now have a damaged adult,and this is why you know

(43:15):
ketamine from a restorativecapacity, and I'm still talking
about the physiological impactsof that that I'd like to dive
into a little bit more.
I think is also helpful as wellas resolving the trauma that we
have from our careers, ourchildhood, our delta brainwave
states up to 30 to 40, even 50%.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And now you see this emergence of alpha, beta, theta
and even gamma were comingonline.
So that's what I'm when I saythat we're becoming aware, that
we're aware.
If I'm unconscious, sure, Ihave memorization.
That's muscle memory.
I don't put my shoes on, I candrive the same damn way to work.
It doesn't mean that I'mconsciously thinking.
That's muscle memory.

(44:07):
I know, I put my shoes on, Ican drive the same damn way to
work.
It doesn't mean that I'mconsciously thinking Good job.
And so, which is to the point,we've all driven somewhere and
we're like fuck, I don't evenremember that drive Because you
memorized it a long time ago andthe body's just rehearsing it.
You were simply along for theride.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, how many times have you hit those red lines,
your body?
You just you wake up and you'relike how did I stop the car?
You know what I mean?
It's it is, it's completelyautomatic.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
We do it in conversation, like look how much
we even do it to our kids.
We just like uh-huh, we're notthinking.
We're thinking, but notlistening.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
We're not listening.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
We're not engaging, we're not engaging.
Kids know that.
That's why they just stoptalking.
And now we're hurting thembecause we're teaching them
about unlovability and, at theend of the day, that's what all
of this is resolving.
And so there's a bunch tounpack there, right, this is
what my mission is, and to trulyeducate.
Now that after this, right, Ileft as a tenured professor of

(45:00):
emergency medicine, I built somephenomenology with ketamine
infusion therapy.
I've had so much opportunity toserve so many different cohorts
of men and women, and now I'mcoming full back into education
and the training along themethodology and the importance
of how to work with this,specifically because of the
legalities.

(45:21):
Right, this is something thatright now, you're back boots on
the ground, there is no downtimeand it is legal.
And so there are.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
It is legal, and that's a big and it's available.
I mean you can.
I think it's very expensivegiven the cost of the truck
itself, but you know, once westart talking insurance coverage
, then you know that that, youknow that's the coverage
availability.
You know cost or real conceptshere that I'd like to download

(45:48):
to.
But so when you?
So one of my issues withketamine is I don't want anybody
in the room.
I hate that.
It drives me nuts.
I prefer to be in a dark roomwith my blinders on.
But you know that's me, and Ihave not gone to ketamine
treatments because they wantsomebody in the room, cause I
deal with things that are verypersonal in nature and I just
don't want to share them.
I want to work on my own stuff.

(46:09):
I own this, whether it's mypast or me.
But for you, your protocols andthis is, I think, something
else Every time I call aketamine clinic, they all have a
different approach, whetherit's the amount of medicine I
get, the amount of time I'm inthe chair, the preparation, this
and that.
And I think, for your point,standardization and protocols

(46:32):
that can be accepted across theindustry are exactly what's
needed.
So talk to us a little bitabout you know what, you know
how you run a ketamine.
You know, you know ketaminesession.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
For sure.
And Bruce, to your point, someof that of what you make mention
is a trauma response of hyperindependence and not to deduce
or just make you aware, right,the consciousness of the
provider.
So, like for myself, I anchorin, I'm expanding my
consciousness to the greatest ofmy capacities and allowing a

(46:59):
container for you to maximizeyour benefit, right, and so
that's the, when you have aprovider in the room, what
you're probably experiencing andif the providers have a lot of
unresolved trauma, you'repicking up on that shit.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I know, I don't want their energy in my room
when I'm dealing with my ownstuff.
Right, I don't need that.
I went through an ayahuascaexperience with 12 veterans in
an enclosed environment andalmost lost my mind.
No, because I do believe inthis energy stuff and I don't
need your energy I need.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
so yeah, 100%, just like for me personally, who
holds my space?
Because for me, to be in thatroom, you're 100% tracking.
Practitioners are off-gassing,same as patients are off-gassing
.
It's a secondary and tertiaryexposure that we are being
exposed to as energyfasciculates from the physical

(47:54):
body that's being released.
That was once harbored andmisinterpreted as anxiety.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
And you bring up a good point because you're in a
completely open and receptivestate.
When you are in this world andyou're in that zone, I mean you
know, you are open up to otherpeople and you just you know.
It's just that.
And and the memories that I'verecovered, oh my god, of my boy.
I mean I've been laughing andcrying and I I can't wait.
It's been about eight months, Igotta.
I just feel this urge to goback and do it again.

(48:25):
I got to make arrangements Kindof a pain where I'm at, which
gets to the point ofaccessibility, but all right.
So your protocols are IV andthen you have a dosage rate that
you feel is that based onweight or Well, it's based on
individuals.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So I take into consideration and this is what
I'm advocating for right theprotocols that we created, that
to be the foundation for a largemajority of practitioners for
them to build upon, becauseotherwise there is a lot of
psychosis that's happening inthe field because they're giving
doses that are egregious andthey're developmental right To

(49:02):
go low and slow allows you tostart to experience the
magnitude of your dysregulation.
If you rip the bottom out ofsomeone, what I refer to it as
is like ghostbusters when theyopen the trap.
You can't just make somebodyblatantly aware of everything
that they've evercompartmentalized.
They will go into a cascadingwhich then gets misunderstood as

(49:26):
a psychotic break and nextthing you know you're on a slew
of things, bingo that's beencoming up a lot with bufo
conversations to tell you thetruth.
Oh yes, we're not supposed toblast off to the Godhead, for
fuck's sake.
We are supposed to developmentally right.
Dmt lays dormant in all of us,Every single dmt lays dormant in

(49:48):
.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
All of us, every single one of us, are schedule
one period, the end.
I am the drug.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, you said that earlier and so we're waking up a
latent system.
You wouldn't go into ahibernating bear and fucking hit
him upside the head.
You may want to just gentlynudge that guy and be like, hey,
hey, it's wake up time.
Big difference, man, bigdifference right, and you yeah.

(50:13):
And so now we're in.
Still, this is where spiritualego can come in and the
different complexities of theprovider.
If they haven't been doing thework themselves, haven't been
doing the work themselves andearlier of what you said because
I do want to tie back into thatIf providers are in the room
and they're typing away on theircomputer or finger in their
phone or on Instagram, they'reopening up other dimensions.

(50:34):
That is going to put you intourgency.
If providers are going to be inthe room, they need to anchor
in and hold space period, theend, which is going to also show
them the magnitude of theirdysregulation, because I can
guarantee how much they're goingto look to finger their phone.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, I mean, I talked to ketamine clinics.
I just I did one, I did it onceand I'm like, dude, I could, I
could hear you, I could feel you.
This is not right and I had mytunes on.
You wouldn't believe how manyketamine clinics I called.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
They have you show up .
They don't even tell you tobring music or bring headphones
to do it.
They put these people throughthis experience without.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh, some of them are having to watch.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
YouTube videos.
Can you imagine.
This?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Oh yeah, and this is what I want people to understand
too is this is work.
If you do this, you care aboutyourself.
This is not fun, right?
This is not a recreation.
You hear about ketamine,vitamin K and all that stuff.
No, this is work, and the workthat you do on you is flat-out
stuff that you need to just getdone.

(51:37):
You know you're coming toketamine either because of this
podcast, or you might have heardof somebody, or you've been
through trauma.
You just realize it existsthere.
But this is spiritual growth.
You absolutely should be proudof yourself for considering this
as one of your options.

(51:59):
Do your research and stuff.
Talk to Christy, because thisis a path to resolving we have.
You have no idea.
You know what I mean.
I had no idea how much crapI've been carrying around my
entire life and once you unloadit, a human being.
My wife calls me Bruce 3.0 nowbecause I have dumped so much

(52:21):
crap.
You know my employees are likewho are you boss?
Like in the last year, I'vejust, you know, I'm like, hey,
man, I ain't going to let thestuff bother me, it's God's, you
know, it's God's will.
Everything's going to happen.
I can't control it.
So why am I going to sit hereand freak out?
And I think that you'reoffering, you know, an amazing,

(52:44):
you know, opportunity for peopleto learn.
And, dude, I could talk to youlike for hours on this stuff,
because it's something that isso important to me and we don't
know about it enough, about it.
So let's get to another point,because you're coming up close
on an hour, what you're saying,that you are absolutely you're
on with TriWest right now.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah.
So the work I did withinsurance is imperative, but
what I am going to really and Ireally want to unpack this with
insurance I would love to hop onanother call and really speak
to this.
I built the first employerdriven benefit a hundred percent
covered of a hundred percent.
The psychographics anddemographics that I served are
nothing short of phenomenal,because it gave access to people

(53:23):
who wouldn't have ordinarilypaid for it themselves.
Then I went and I put thepractice into all of the blues.
I'm in over 900 PPOs.
I just became a vendor for theUS Olympics, I accomplished
TriWest and you know, what Ilearned Is that if you're
looking for this medicine,you're looking for this medicine
.
The accessibility shouldn'tcome down to a copay, because

(53:46):
then you're not committing andif you think about it, you're
investing in yourself.
To pay $3,500 for cash pay foryou to truly evolve your
consciousness significantly.
That is a blip financiallyversus what I witnessed with the

(54:07):
different mechanisms of entryversus PPO, hmo, medimedi.
All of these differentiterations is nothing short of
interesting, because some ofthem want you to fail a whole
bunch of other treatments andnow you become treatment
resistant.
And so now what we're doing ishelping you unpack all the harm
that you did from failing all ofthese other modalities.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
All these SSRIs and SM benzos and all these things.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I'm going to put you on Klonopin.
I'm going to put you onSeroquel.
I'm going to put you onTrazodone.
You're probably not going to beable to use your penis and
you're really going to have somedysregulation.
So I'm also going to do this.
And now you become a long-termcustomer of ketamine.
Oh yeah, Even Kaiser will allowyou to have infinite amounts of
ketamine sessions after youfail three to five to ten years

(54:56):
of other treatments.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And that's currently the case.
I mean, how do you getprescribed?
Well, one thing I will pushback a little bit on the
investment.
It's just that we deal withpeople all the time Out here in
Florida.
It's $500 a session, Okay, andyou know, we know the minimum
six that just get started or youcan talk about that.
That's what I've heard, that'swhat I keep hearing.
The six to start, you know,over two weeks, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
All misconstrued For sure.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Okay, over two weeks stuff like that, I'll miss the
seconds for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Okay, talk about that , please.
The benefit of ketamine isnever going to.
The insights are never going toleave you.
This is where free will comesin, and so first one must sit
with the medicine in order tosee if it's something they want
to embark in.
Never should we have astandardized.

(55:47):
You must sit with this medicinesix times every other day.
The Journal of AmericanMedicine was the first protocol
that came out that a lot ofproviders are attached to, and
that was for major depressivedisorder.
They all had the same BMI, bodymass index, and they had all
the same DSM.
This is not a one size fits allmodel, and so for people that

(56:07):
are curious in this space samething of how we're dysregulating
people with Bufo One must askthemselves am I ready to
acknowledge that I'm the commondenominator in all of my story?
And if you can't answer yes tothat, to truly witnessing
yourself from a higher state ofawareness, and start unpacking

(56:27):
your unconsciousness, which thedepth of that is the variable,
then you are not ready forpsychedelics.
And, bruce, if you would haveasked me five years ago, there
is no way that I would have saidthat.
I would have said it's foreveryone Untrue.
I would have said it's foreveryone Untrue If you are not

(56:52):
ready to embark on a hero'sjourney of witnessing yourself
as an opportunity every day toevolve who you are, to become a
more conscious version ofyourself, rather than rehearsing
, reciting this old program andnarrative that was stamped into
us amniotically.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And that's a big statement for a lot of you out
there, and I'm, and I'm you knowyou're talking to a guy here
that I am not the person I usedto be Right and um, and this,
this, unfortunately, thisjourney was started with the
loss of my son and I'm trying toreconcile that, which is hard,
but, at the same time, whatChristy's talking about is truly

(57:33):
important, because a lot of themental illness that we suffer
from as first responders, lawenforcement, is induced by our
career and it can be resolved.
But you have to, you have to,you have to do.
When she talks about growthnumber one, you're going to have
to deal with what's been doneto you.
You're going to have to dealwith what you've done to others,

(57:56):
which is man once you get tothat stage, dude.
That is a journey and that isthe hardest part.
And then you have to learn toforgive and love yourself.
If you, if these are the goalsthat you want, which, along the
way, you're going to be dumpingyour mental illness, bro, I mean
you're, as you dump sludge fromyour background and your life
and your childhood, you onlybecome better and lighter and

(58:19):
psychologically cleaner and moreloving and more kind.
And yeah, this is Bruce Parkman, it's the same guy Pac-Man.
Yeah, I'm talking this.
Okay, and this is evolution,and Christy's protocol could be
part of that.
Now, christy, how would youevaluate somebody to recommend?
You just said, and that mightbe your guidance, right.

(58:42):
It's like, hey, look if you'renot, and that might be your
guidance, right.
So hey look if you're not readyto do this.
But we have people that aresuffering and they need
physiological help and there isI honestly believe there is
physiological stressors going onin that brain.
That's improving that brain,it's rewiring that brain, it's
doing something in there thathelps with over.

(59:05):
You know, there's a lot ofscarring, there's a lot of
demyelination, dysmyelination.
We got blood-brain barrierpenetration.
We got huge amounts ofneuroinflammation that need to
be addressed right, and I dobelieve that ketamine can help.
Once we get rid of the cause ofthat damage, which is
repetitive blast exposure, wecalm down and live our lives

(59:28):
without all that trauma.
Now we've got to fix this,because without fixing this
we're still going to have mentalillness and suicide.
We have to fix the brain.
We have to promote brain health.
What does ketamine do in thatregard?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So and this ties back to what we started initially
conversating on when you pullthat limbic system out of the
equation temporarily, you haveexpansiveness of new
consciousness.
It's being ushered in and inthat ushering it has this
capacity to create new ways ofthinking.
Being doing for up to 10 days,thinking being doing for up to

(01:00:09):
10 days, and so now you'reactually creating.
It's similar to collateralcirculation.
Once you hit a certain age, theheart will actually start
creating new circulatorypathways around places that
we've compromised it from ourfood and lack of exercise.
It's no different.
In the brain, we only use 5% ofour consciousness.
The real question becomes whydon't you want to embark on

(01:00:32):
evolving your consciousness,which, as a byproduct, reduces
your suffering?
And so there's a lot of thingsto unpack there, because we've
been influenced by religiosityfrom different smear campaigns
on the war on drugs.
And what was your belief systemever?
An ego will let you die, and sofor a majority that ego man.

(01:00:56):
Yeah, that's a whole nothershow on ego dude, that'd be
great bruce, if I would have metyou five years ago, who knows
if you would have been likeyou're fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I would not have talked to you I?
would not have talked to you, Iwould have blown you off.
I would absolutely had nothingto do with you.
Because, number one, I didn'tknow I was suffering
physiological and mentally.
I thought I was okay, I hadn'tlost my son yet I was a
successful businessman.
Yada, yada, yada, yada, no, no,and only through you know.

(01:01:33):
Once I got in my hole, it'samazing how the universe, or
what I call God, startedintroducing me to doors, and I
am a firm believer.
When God puts a door in frontof you, you have two options you
can open that puppy and gothrough it, or you can walk away
and never know and spend therest of your life wondering what

(01:01:56):
was on the other side of thatdoor.
Man, you know, and you'll neverknow, until you open that puppy
and I've been opening doorsever since and those doors have
led me on this journey that Ican help others through me.
You know, talking to peoplelike you, where I'm going to
spend the rest of my lifeserving others instead of myself
and helping people understandthat there are things out there

(01:02:18):
that can, that can help you withyour broken brain, with your
broken life.
You know, with your broken past, and that you can overcome
these things.
Become a better person, you know.
Drop this mental illness, getoff these goddamn drugs and get
back to yourself.
Get back to your family, youknow, and get back to everybody
else.
You want to get back to yourLord, get back whatever's

(01:02:40):
important to your life, go backand get and find happiness, and
you are a huge part of this man.
Back to this insurance piece.
If you're a TRICARE guy, I'm aTRICARE guy Until I'm 66, I
found out I have to go toMedicaid.
After that, three more yearsI'm on the other side of the
company on the country, so not abig help there.

(01:03:02):
If you think that you wouldlike to approach you and get
approved for ketamine, right Oneis it's the methodology for a

(01:03:30):
large majority.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Well, I can't so clear that for some of the
ketamine clinics they are notabove board.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
True yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And if that's the case, of course you're a hundred
percent not going to getinsurance coverage.
You can't, you've neverdivulged it.
That's what you're doing.
Period the end.
And then so the reason the costis so expensive, and this is
gonna ripple right, but I'mgonna say it a ketamine infusion

(01:03:59):
costs 18 dollars but I heardhere's what is happening you're
paying for the burn rate, theprovider, the malpractice
insurance, if they have any, andyou're also paying for
whoever's in the room and whatthey think they're worth, and
yada, yada, yada.
And that's not deducing, and sowhat my mission is?
And now I've been in practicefor five years.

(01:04:20):
I have fluctuated price allover the place and I'll tell you
right now even if I were tocharge, I, I would have to
charge $1,600 a session to turna profit.
How in the fuck?
No, no, no, I'm not arguing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I think the cost is as a businessman, the cost is
absolutely related to the costassociated with the business.
That without scale.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
For sure, yeah, you know.
So this is where I, and this isthe grassroots right.
What I am proposing is that weimplement this medicine as a
standard of care into primarycare, Because those guys are
already in network withinsurance.
All I need to do is come in anddo an overlay.
So my mission has evolved rightOutside of the years I've spent

(01:05:03):
serving and facilitating andhonoring all the different types
of consciousness, my mission isnow this right One I can
overlay everything that I havelearned into an existing medical
practice and turn on insurancelike that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Yeah, because you just you're given iv I mean it's
you gotta gotta have a machineyou gotta have oh yeah, the
equipment's nothing.
A blood pressure monitor, yourblood pressure cuff?
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
There's not a big investment oh, and I've also
built out all the protocols forfacilitating to be trauma
informed, for the nurses to holdthe space and also them
understand that ketamine's amirror and that you're gonna to
be triggered deeply right.
If you haven't done the work asa provider, ketamine is going

(01:05:49):
to eradicate itself out of a lotof practices because of the
uncomfortability it causes fromthe provider patient dynamics.
You're going to manifest thepeople that you need to see in
order for you to heal in adifferent capacity.
This is mirroring, right.
I can tell you so manydifferent stories of that.
And unless the provider, I meanat the end of the day, bruce
doctors are the number one forsuicide.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Wow, and that's because they're picking up all
that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Silently suffering.
And plus, too, look at how muchwe have to.
If you want to turn a profit,you have to become a machine.
Basically, You're a machine,You're a robot and I could you
know.
it's just there's a lot there.
Anyways, my mission is tooverlay everything that I have
built and learned and theworkflows, the methodology and
the foundational side of thedosing to doctors who can hear

(01:06:41):
the message, who are consciousand want to open it up and can
actually start delivering it,not only as a new additional
means for treating those who canbecome treatment resistant.
Instead of pulling people outof the river, why aren't we
going up there and figuring outwhy they're falling in?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Why are we waiting until people become treatment
resistant or egregiouslyattached to pharmacological
multiple medications rather thanhelping them evolve their
consciousness?
And now, if we can allow themto hear new messages with new
cognitive capacities?
Now they can actually beproactive rather than reactive

(01:07:24):
with things that we're trying toshare with them as clinicians.
Otherwise it falls on deaf ears.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Another point that you said what is your position
on the integration of therapywith ketamine?
I don't believe in thisassisted guided thing.
I mean, I think you got to gowhere the medicine takes you,
but what is your position ontherapy and what should people
look for when they, if youpropose it, what, what type of

(01:07:52):
therapist would you recommend,whether it's EMDR or anything
like that, that they, that theymight work with to get up to, to
integrate, because without thework, a lot of it, you know he
doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It's developmental for sure, and so I'll give you
some quick examples.
If you call me Bruce and you'relike, hey, I've done EMDR, I've
done talk therapy, I'veexhausted it, I don't resonate
with the therapist, I've maxedthat dimension out.
I've also been on SSRIs.
I've come off of it.
I've done this work, I dobreath work, I do yoga.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I'm ready.
Every veteran I know yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
And you're just like let's fucking do this versus
somebody who's their throat isstill cracking because they
don't have the capacities totalk about profound sexual
trauma, profound early childhoodtrauma, whatever it is that
they've been storing andsuppressing.
Those people need to startunpacking or they're the ones
that are predisposed for apotential psychotic break
because they haven't evenlearned how to unpack or tell

(01:08:50):
their story without profoundemotional charge.
But what we can also show isthat if you're retelling your
trauma story, you're deepeningyour network to your trauma
story and you're embellishing itas much as 50% because you're
now telling a story from thiscurrent age about something that
happened 30, 40 years ago.

(01:09:13):
You can hear the depth, or atleast for me personally if
somebody calls me and they'relike I'm this way because and
they start telling a traumastory of firsthand, secondhand
and tertiary victimization andthey're not acknowledging that
they're just re-victimizingthemselves because they become
addicted to suffering.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
They have a hell of a lot more to unpack.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
And then the other part of my assessment is what's
your relationship withpharmaceuticals?
What's your relationship withalcohol?
What's your relationship withporn?
What's your relationship withpharmaceuticals?
What's your relationship withalcohol?
What's your relationship withporn?
What's your relationship withcannabis?
What kind of support system doyou have and do you do anything
for mindfulness?
And if that's the case, thatperson is going to need a lot
more guidance than somebody thatessentially comes in as like

(01:09:58):
look, I cold plunge everymorning, I also do saunas, I run
for my mental health.
I'm doing this, but I know Igot blind spots.
That person is going to have adifferent developmental time
than somebody else.
And one thing that we're alsonot talking about is if we're
using psychedelics and having aconversation where we're
replaying our victimization,wouldn't that be indicative that

(01:10:21):
we're deepening the network toour suffering?
Because, as we're trying tocreate new neural pathways or
retelling the victimizationstory and reinforcing suffering
in new capacities, as we'retrying to evolve or reduce it,
this stuff isn't long-term.
One of the most interestingconversations I had in the
beginning was people are like,well, how are you getting

(01:10:42):
recurring revenue?
And I'm like, well, if you doit right, they're, they're done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
They don't want to hear that I haven't had a
treatment in eight months CauseI really don't feel the need.
Every now and then I say youknow what I should go back in?
I feel the call, I feel theneed, just like ayahuasca, every
now, and then it's like youknow what I got to go back.
You know I got, I'm, I'm readyfor that next step or whatever,
right.
And and that's where you, whenyou start talking about and this
is why I want everybody tostand when we start talking

(01:11:08):
about modalities that have atermination date.
That's not a lifelongpharmaceutical project or a
lifelong you know therapist.
You don't need to talk there.
You're paying $150 to hear whatyou already know.
But do you need them forever?
No, everybody's focused on thisfor-profit medical model which,
hey, great, got to make money.
No, we have to cure, we have toheal, and that should have an

(01:11:32):
end date.
If it doesn't have an end date,then whatever you're doing
ain't fucking working.
I'm sorry, sergeant Major, itain't working.
Okay, it ain't working, sorry,it ain't working, sorry.
So that's why things likeketamine and the psychedelics,
things like cold I got a coldplunge box right out here, right
, and you have to take, likeChris talked about, investing
yourself.

(01:11:52):
But there are things and this ismy big problem, christie is
that first responders in themilitary did nothing wrong.
They signed up for a career ofpublic service and they went and
did their jobs.
That is why I am hell bound onthis shit being covered by
insurance, being paid for by thepublic, because we caused this.
We require these amazing peoplelike yourself to get out there

(01:12:15):
and put it on the line every dayand at the end of 20 years,
they might be a basket case, butif you're a basket case and you
know that, hey, this is goingto hurt me, but I've got
coverage and disability and I'mgoing to have 20 years of my
hair on fire and jetting toscenes and jumping out of planes
, but I am going to be takencare of.
Okay, we will take those risksbecause we can minimize the

(01:12:37):
brain trauma along the way withsome of the things that we're
working on.
But if you think you know rightnow, that's my problem is, all
of this is out of pocket.
We have veterans mortgagingtheir houses to invest in
themselves, right, and I'm surethis is going on in the first
responder community right nowand then the awareness that this
stuff even exists, not tomention that you know what it
can do for them or not, thecoverage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
So I mean that's a whole nother thing to unpack,
but uh, and that's theoverlaying into traditional
medicine, and not to cut you off, right, If we can give this to
PCPs doctors who want to startyielding the medicine and reduce
the learning curve, becausethere's training programs all
over the place for this right.
Do you know that you're comingin for a copay?
10 bucks, 60 bucks?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
No, you're on it.
You're on it, so let's talkabout that.
Do you have a training programfor medical practitioners that
want to go through this andassess people?
Get them, maybe, send them tothree or four therapy centers
sessions that help them unpackbefore they give them, you know,
the artillery shot or whatever?
Okay, I got a daughter thatshe's been talking.

(01:13:42):
She's a nurse practitioner,psychiatric medicine.
She goes.
She saw what it did for me.
She goes.
I think this can help mypatients, but there's a whole,
the her practitioner.
She's not the owner, right,there's a whole, but that.
So you have a.
So look as we close, cause wealways have to close.
Unfortunately, this has been.
This has been a mad, just a madshow.

(01:14:02):
Let's talk about Christy Myers.
Where are you at right now?
What are you working on?
How do people find you?
Go ahead and thump your chest,man, tell us about you.
You are doing some amazingthings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Thank you.
I'm evolving, and so this isdivine in its timing.
I am launching the first of itskind to go back into the
educational side of becomingpsychedelic.
I've been in private practicefor five years, working with
ketamine for the last decade andtruly evolving my consciousness

(01:14:35):
, and have experienced many ofmy own deaths to be able to
truly birth this next evolutionof what it is I'm presenting.
And so this is going to be live, and I'm opening it up to you
as well, bruce.
It's going to be the first ofits kind a live seven-week
course to how to find the rightprovider, the history of

(01:14:56):
ketamine where it comes from,the different methodology, the
dosing structures, thepharmacological implications,
oscillating between dimensions,levels of consciousness all of
it for the layman.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Wow, I mean, that is astounding.
And I think what I would liketo, christy, is we're having the
first or the secondinternational conference on
repetitive brain trauma in theworld.
We host this in Tampa.
I would love to see if you'dlike to come out and speak on
this issue.
I'll have Denny reach out toyou and get that going.
And how do people find you?

(01:15:29):
How do they get ahold of you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
For sure, you can find me directly on LinkedIn and
message me that way.
I'm still very much N of one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Okay, well, we're going to make you N of many.
This is amazing stuff and wewant to push this all over the
place.
Christy, I cannot thank youenough for coming on the show.
This has been amazing and I andI really appreciate you getting
up at six o'clock your time andcome on, you know, and get
ready for a wonderful day.
But thank you for yourknowledge, thank you for the

(01:15:59):
awareness.
This means so much to ourcommunity as we grow, and I
really really well number one.
God bless you and I thank youfor your service to our
communities, because that is soimportant and your service to
others, and we really want tohelp you get this word out,
because we do believe it shouldbe one of the standards of care,

(01:16:20):
it should be one of the go-toprotocols for our community of
you know, when it comes tomental health, because it does,
it can do a lot, it can do a lot, but right now it's just not an
option and that needs to change.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
So thank you so much for coming on the show and we
really appreciate it, thank you,and I will send you over
Becoming Psychedelic and thisfirst cohort is going to be the
early adopters and so it'sreally going to outline how to
do, how to find the rightprovider and all the different
things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
We will push that out all over the place.
And maybe we'll have you.
We're going to do the army Navygame with fuel coming up.
The fuel the band is going tobe our opening act for this year
, so we're really swinging forthe fence on this one but,
please let us know when that'sout and we'll push it all over
the place.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I love it.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
No problem, folks.
Christy Myers, man and that isanother wonderful podcast and
broken brains.
I didn't have my book to showyou, but all right, remember we
got the summit on bro onrepetitive brain trauma coming
up September 3rd and 4th of thisyear.
Big Mac for Mac Day, September24th Don't forget that.
That's coming up as well.
We'll be attending the NationalMilitary Healthcare Conference

(01:17:30):
here in August, pushing thatwork out.
Don't forget.
Go to our website, wwwmpfactorg.
Get the free book.
It's free so you can beinformed.
Our app free book it's free soyou can be informed.
Our app, head smart, is on theGoogle store, Apple store.

(01:17:51):
Get it and please like us.
What is that?
Like us, subscribe to us andpush us all over the place,
because we are making roads outthere and I'm new to this social
media stuff.
But and we want to thank oursponsor, the Mack Parkman
foundation, the only nationalvoice and repetitive brain
trauma we're working with somany organizations to make this.
As Christy said, this has to bea standard of care in terms of
knowledge.
We have to get people educatedon this, because the issue of

(01:18:13):
repetitive head impacts andrepetitive blast exposure and
the crisis of mental illnessthat it is producing has to be
addressed.
It has to be understood.
So our hats off to the MackParkman Foundation for
sponsoring this podcast and wethank you all for attending.
Until the next show, take careof those brains.
They're the only ones you gotand God bless you all.

(01:18:33):
Take care, Thank you.

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