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September 18, 2025 63 mins

The U.S. healthcare system is broken—and today, we’re pulling back the curtain on one of the most misunderstood programs driving billions of dollars in drug pricing.


In this episode of Broken Healthcare, Ray Kober sits down with Thomas Johnson—an attorney by trade and Executive Director of the Alliance to Save America’s 340B Program (ASAP 340B)—to uncover the truth about how the 340B drug pricing program, originally designed to help underserved communities, has ballooned into a $120+ billion system with little oversight.


Thomas’s career is rooted in public policy and advocacy. While working with the Medical Society of DC, he helped get the city council to pass the first comprehensive anti-smoking ban in the country—a groundbreaking public health milestone that shaped his commitment to reform.


🔎 You’ll learn:

  • How the 340B program started with good intentions but drifted far from its mission
  • Why hospitals are marking up drugs by 500–1000% and who really pays the price
  • The staggering 20% annual growth of the program and its hidden impact on businesses and patients
  • Why transparency, accountability, and reform are urgently needed
  • How ordinary people can take action to demand change


🔥 Thomas:

“Let’s get back to our mission of making sure that covered entities can help those who are in underserved areas.”


If you care about healthcare costs, patient access, or just want to understand how Washington works behind the scenes, this is a must-listen.


🌐 Connect with Thomas Johnson & ASAP 340B

👉 Website: https://www.asap340b.org


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