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Ever wondered how local sports heroes are crafted through passion and persistence? Join us as we chat with Coach Zach Harrell-Zook from John Handley High School's varsity basketball team, who shares his inspiring approach to coaching. With a focus on building commitment and leadership, Zach reveals the nuances of shaping young athletes amidst the modern challenges of social media and rising college costs. His insights into creating team unity over individual accolades echo the essence of true sportsmanship, promising a treasure trove of wisdom for aspiring coaches and players alike.

The episode also tackles the realities of coaching in today's fast-paced sports environment. Discover how balancing team dynamics with individual growth can transform a squad, as Zach reflects on pivotal moments from his career. From thrilling overtime games to strategic decision-making in the district competition, these stories highlight the resilience and grit that define successful teams. We delve into the impact of instilling a strong belief in young athletes, especially those from single-parent households, and the powerful role of mentorship in guiding them toward fulfilling their potential.

Beyond the sports arena, we venture into broader discussions that affect us all. From community service initiatives inspired by personal stories to the economic implications of global trade policies, our conversations are as diverse as they are poignant. Uncover the lesser-known events in U.S. history and their significance while exploring the layers of economic challenges faced by everyday Americans. This episode promises a rich mix of sports, service, and history, offering an engaging experience that both informs and inspires our listeners.

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was ready, bro.
It's a hindrance.
Silence is cassette, so letyour voices be heard, man, we
brothers with opinions.
Now we spreading the word,bringing light to the dark
Revolution is our art man.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
A lot of people talk, but they ain't never walked
apart.
Gotta shine a light on povertyand fight against injustice and
always speak to truth.
What's happening, ladies andgentlemen?
Sunday, december 1st last monthof the year 2025 coming up, but
before that, we're going to getinto another episode with Zeb
Wayne, tony and myself.
Man, let's get it going becausewe have Mr Zach on coming about

(00:52):
10 o'clock hour.
So until then, ladies andgentlemen, sit back, listen to
my man, tony, real quick, kickit off with that local news and
all those scores happening inthe area.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So to clarify, it would be ZachHarrell-Zook, the Hanley head
coach of the basketball team,everyone that's jumping on for
our fans who don't know.
All right, so jumping intolocal news and sports, like we
always talk playoffs andeverything, and so we have class

(01:23):
two.
I'll start with where Strasburgbeat Buckingham, beat the
Brakes off of them 54-7, andthen Pocosin beat King William
40-0, and Glenvar was overGretna 30-8 and Graham Gretna,

(01:44):
and then Graham man a lot ofshutouts, man 21-0 over Union.
So that sets the stage for, youknow, congratulations to
Strasburg.
They're one of two teams thatmade it to, you know, the
regional champs class two andmade it to the VHS state
semifinals.
So they will face Pocosin Seemslike next Friday or Saturday

(02:11):
it's probably Saturday, what'sthe seventh, because some of
these games are played onSaturdays and then Glenvar will
face Graham.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
So then December 7th is a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, so that's it.
Yeah, I noticed some games wereon Saturday too, but okay.
So moving on to Class 3.
Lafayette defeated Norcom 33-6.
Kettle Run squeaked by ThomasJefferson 35-32.
Liberty Christian defeatedTurner Ashby 56-23.

(02:44):
And William Byrd over Lord BachHowever you say that name 46-44
.
So that sets up Kettle Runfaces Lafayette and Liberty
Christian faces William Byrd inthe VHSO semifinal for Class 3.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Lca's going to win, that one Is that your prediction
they're from Lynchburg.
Yeah, I know a lot of not a lotabout them, but enough about
them to know that they're legit.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I haven't really heard.
You're talking about Liberty,christian, right yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Mm-hmm Liberty Christian right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So now class four.
We have Sharando defeats Salem29-26.
Phoebus destroyed Hampton 42-0.
Tuscarora over John Champagne41-16.
And Dinwiddie falls to Verena41-27.

(03:44):
So who plays next week?
Like I say, that's nextSaturday, I think Shirendo.
Yeah, so next Saturday Shirendoplays Phoebus and Tuscarora
plays Verena.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Where is that state game at?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm not sure, god.
You asked me too quick.
Some neutral site.
I'd have to look it up.
Oh, we don't want to forgetabout West Virginia real quick.
Sorry, because they started aweek late.
Martinsburg defeatedParkinsburg South 56-14.
Huntington defeated WillingPark 51-39.

(04:24):
Spring Mills won 14-7 overMorgantown and Hurricane
defeated Jefferson 57-21, whichsets up their semifinal.
Martinsburg plays Huntingtonand Spring Mills plays Hurricane
.
So of course Spring Mills andMartinsburg look like they're on
a head-on collision in theplayoffs.

(04:44):
Like you said, chris, two teamsout of Martinsburg, pretty much
.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
What about that region that Skyline was in, that
team that beat Skyline, thomasJefferson?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, that's what I think.
They lost to Kettle Run.
They lost to Kettle Run 35-32.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
35-32.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Okay, yep.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I didn't hear that score.
Oh, Josh, they squeaked by him.
So I think Colorado probablythey have a chance to win it.
They're always good.
So there you go, guys.
Local scores.
Shout out to Sharando andSchwarzberg for moving on and
representing the area.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Schwarzberg be dominating teams too.
Man no lies.
Not surprising Andrew Mudd'ssomeplace for them, I think yeah
he goes to Strasburg now.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
So yeah, congrats to those two local teams.
Keep going, bring a state titlehome, bring it back to the area
.
So, moving on Now everyone, wewill get on with Zach Harrell
and get into that interview.
So everybody enjoy thatinterview with Zach Harrell, the
coach of John Hanley HighSchool.

(05:53):
All right, everyone, we haveCoach Zach Harrell Zuck on from
John Hanley High School varsitybasketball coach.
Welcome, coach.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Thank you guys, Appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, man, no problem .
Yeah, we just have a fewquestions.
It won't be that bad, all right.
So first question I have iswhat is your coaching philosophy
?
If you could get into that.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Sure, yeah, I mean I believe that you know, as a
coach, for me it's a three-piecepassion, purpose and
persistence.
Like you have to beunwaveringly passionable about
your cause, what you're doing,and then you have to be able to
instill that into your players.
Your players have to play withan unbelievable amount of

(06:47):
passion.
Everyone has to have the samelove for the game, the cause
that you're working towards, inorder to be successful.
The second is persistence.
You can't take days off.
You can't have days that waverfrom the mission.
You can't take days off.
You can't have days that waverfrom the mission.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
That same passion you have to be persistent in that
cause every single day.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
And then you have to have a purpose.
Like you know, everything thatyou do, there has to be a why.
There has to be a why behindeverything you do.
And every kid has a differentwhy, every coach has a different
why.
You know that why is going tobe different for everybody.
Uh, but, but you have to havepassion, you have to have a
purpose behind what you're doing, and then you have to be
persistent.
Uh, now, when it comes to youknow, I'm sure what some of what

(07:38):
you're asking has to do with.
Um, you know some x's and o's,or offense defense.
You know what are things you,you know what are the things
you'd like to do, how are thingsyou'd like to play?
So I, you know I obviously comefrom.
You know playing collegebasketball, coaching college
basketball.
So I've seen the.
You know the higher level sideof things.

(07:59):
And when it comes to highschool basketball, you know one
of my favorite quotes ever isthe shoes are meant to fit the
feet, not the feet to the shoes.
And shoes vary in all size andconfirmation.
So if I have a size eight team,I can't force them into a size

(08:19):
13 shoe.
They're a size eight, right.
If I have a size 13 team, Ican't force them into a size
eight.
So I think it's the coach's jobto formulate a system that
brings the most out of thetalent or players or skill sets
that they have, rather thantrying to force feed them into a

(08:40):
system.
I think you can look at notjust this area but other
programs around the state thathave hey, we're going to run
this every year, no matter what,and don't have the talent to do
it.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I totally understand from coaching.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yeah well, you know, I think you look around the
state and you know you have.
You know some coaches have been, you know, for the last.
You know however long they'vebeen flexed and we're flexed no
matter what.
But you've got a, you've got aball dominant guard heavy team,

(09:22):
you know, and you're runningflex.
You know, or you or you know,you have a team that you know is
primarily motion based.
But you've got, you know,you've got three bigs that can
all post up and get to thebottom.
So it depends on what you have,but some coaches don't waver
from that.
You know what I'll say about usand you know our system and our
philosophy is like I'm going tofit a system to the players.
Now, what things won't changeand what the non-negotiables are

(09:45):
is that you know we must be thehardest working, most prepared,
most conditioned team on thefloor every single night.
So those are non-negotiables.
But I'm going to alter what wedo offensively, defensively, to
fit, you know, to fit thepersonnel and the kids that I
have, you know like, forinstance, and the kids that I
have, you know like, forinstance, this year, you know

(10:07):
you've got, we've got a guy in,jay Sean Offwood, who's 6'3",
355 pounds.
He's Division I offensivelineman.
So you know, when he's in agame at points this year, you
know we might try to get theball down low.
You know we've got an extremelyversatile defensive piece and
Christian Dengis, who's 6'5",plays well above the rim and has

(10:29):
a 6'6 wingspan.
So there are things that I cando with Christian defensively
that I haven't been able to dowith teams in the past you know,
so it all just you know.
Then you've got Will Brunduin,who's I mean our area of
basketball has been around forclose to a hundred years.
You've got on three on threesports, which is a widely

(10:53):
popular, you know recruitingnetwork, along with 24 seven
sports and stuff that haspublished articles on him being
potentially the best shooter inhis class in the country for
2027.
So there are things,offensively, you can do with
that right.
So it's just it's got to fitthe kids that you have, um, you
know, and that that's my belief.

(11:15):
I believe it's my job to putthe kids in the best, best
position possible, based ontheir skill sets, rather than
force the kids to do.
You know what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
It's like every year you have adifferent challenge or you know
a different group of kids youknow you have to cater to and
whenever they're strong, youknow their strong points are.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
That's the fun part to me and that's what's
different than college is, youknow, I think at college you're
you're going to recruit to, youknow, hey, this is how I'd like
to play and this is what we'regoing to recruit to.
Versus, you know, at the highschool level it's say we got to
make the best out of what wehave and this is the hand we're
dealt with and how can we getthe most out of of this group of
kids.
And fun part to me because thenI'm always learning and

(12:03):
evolving as a coach, rather thanyou know, hey, this is what we
do, no matter what um yeah,college is a lot easier, like
you just said.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
They can recruit what they want to run their system.
At least try to yes, you knowit.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
You know if you look at, you know Alabama and NATO.
I mean they're not recruitinganyone that didn't shoot 45% of
the three in high school.
You know they're also notrecruiting anyone that you know
if you're below six foot youbetter be, you know, one of the
fastest guards in the country.
So I mean, you know it'sdifferent.
I personally love the challengeof, hey, let's see what we got

(12:41):
and hey, what can we do tomaximize this group, and that's
what's fun.
So I think you'll see, you knowdifferent stuff from us this
year, offensively, defensivelythan even last year.
You know, in a year that we went18-6 and, you know, had a good
season with a lot of youthfulplayers and a lot of them are
coming back.
But even a lot of them haveevolved their games and they're

(13:06):
better in certain ways now.
Or they're older, they'restronger, they're more physical,
and then you can do a whole lotmore with that.
Based on those circumstances, Itotally agree.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
So, speaking of that, your culture, let's move on to
Chester.
What have you seen as yourbiggest challenge as a coach so
far?
Hanley being a head coach.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
I think that in today's era of social media, a
million AAU teams, social mediaa million.
AAU teams, the, the cost of thecost of college.
You know, and, and you you lookat kids from our area and for
the majority of our kids I meanyou know, you know if they want

(14:01):
to try to have a free education,you know it's going to be
through sports and I think thatplaces a lot of pressure on kids
and families.
And, you know, I think thebiggest challenge has been
trying to educate, orchestrate,convince 15, 16, 17 and even

(14:23):
18-old boys that your statisticsdo not matter at all, like at
all.
You know, like ChristianChristian Dengis could average,
which he won't.
He could average eight pointsand five rebounds.
And I still have Division Iprograms texting me, you know,
week in, week out, about himbecause he's six foot five, he

(14:46):
can shoot the three, he can playabove the rim and he has long
arms.
It doesn't matter what his highschool statistics are.
It doesn't matter what Will'shigh school stats are.
If you're being considered oneof the best shooters in the
country, then you're going to berecruited at that level, right,

(15:06):
it doesn't matter.
That is the hard part that hasbeen for me, you know, with
social media and all of thethings out there and just trying
to get everyone to understandwhat is important and that the
only thing anyone's ever goingto remember is did you win or
did you lose?

(15:26):
Win or did they lose?
I mean heck.
I mean, I was player of theyear in 2015.
I can't tell you what my statswere.
All I know is we went 20 and 2and lost on a game on a on a
buzzer beater shot atcharlottesville in triple
overtime that and weunderachieved as a team.
That's.
That's the only thing I cantell you.
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
That damn.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, that damn Charlottesville.
How come they always pop up?

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Yeah, our goal is to make them come to us this year,
so we have a different story.
But, yeah, you know that's been.
The hardest part is, um, youknow, just just trying to
educate our, our area, ourplayers on like, hey, like,
fellas, you guys could, you know, every single, any single one
of you could go play it, youknow, at wood or or a different

(16:17):
school in the area and and you'dprobably average a whole lot
more points.
Maybe play, play more, yeah,right, but but you won't be as
successful as this team can be.
Yeah, you know, and just justtrying to put it all together
and I think the hard part for mehas been, you know that first
year it was just.

(16:37):
It was COVID and it was just usas a staff and those kids.
And there was no possibility forany outside noise or influence,
like it was just us and thekids, nobody at the game.
Like it, just it and just whatthat group was able to
accomplish.

(16:58):
I mean, you're talking about ateam that was less than 500 the
year before that we took to thestate final, you know, and we're
up by seven and a half, youknow, wearing masks, against a
team from seven, five, seven,like, and it was because there
was, they didn't care, theydidn't care what they scored,

(17:19):
they didn't care about.
You know, mom and dad weren'tthere to.
You know, to yell and scream atthem.
And, like, these kids feel somuch pressure and the hard part
for me has been trying tofacilitate an environment where
they don't feel that they canjust they can just play and and
love each other and, like man,there's nothing that means more
to me than this last year, youknow, when I got married you

(17:42):
know, my, my best friend, chrisOates, you know, was my best man
, and Trey Briscoe was at mywedding and, like we all grew up
together and they're at mywedding party, you know it's
like I want that for these kidstoo.
You know, when they leave here,you know for them to have those
meaningful lifelong friends andyou know, I think the biggest

(18:06):
challenge has been trying to getkids to understand that.
You know, those things don'tmatter, um, and and what matters
is what you achieve as a teamand that's.
That's all that anyone's evergoing to remember, and it's hard
for a 16 year old kid tounderstand that you know, and
when?
Everyone else is trying to becool and look cool, and it's
like no guys, what's cool iswinning.
Yeah, what's cool is winning tobe cool and look cool, and it's
like no, guys, what's cool iswinning.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
What's?

Speaker 6 (18:27):
cool is winning.
What's cool is doing somethingthat nobody's ever done before
and being able to hang that inthe rafters forever, because
teams come and go, but bannershang forever and they will
remember you forever if you dosomething that no one else has
ever done.
But in order to do something noone else has ever done, you
have to act different thaneveryone else has ever done, and

(18:48):
that's the hard part.
But that's also fun, Like if itwas easy, everybody would do it
right.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You have the most talent coming back.
Go ahead, chris, coach, he hasthe most talent coming back by
far.
They're probably the deepestteam.
They remind me of Kentucky,especially with the guard play.
There's so many, from Will toBriscoe to Amari, there's just
so many of them.
Oglesby, like you said,christian, you guys are very

(19:16):
deep and they've been togethernow for two or three years
consistently.
But you're right, coach Dixon,who coached all of us name on
the court, we've all went tostates.
Guess what?
We don't have, what millbrookhas, and they haven't been
around nearly as long as us.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
You could change whole history right, yeah, and
you know those kids gottarealize that you're right yeah
you know I grew up down thestreet from from little e and,
and you know chris oats, youknow one of my closest friends,
his brother, older brother andbrother, andrew Oates, played on
that team.
So I got to live vicariouslythrough, you know that, that
team almost like their wholetime growing up, because I'd

(19:52):
always be at, you know Chris andAndrew's house.
You know I'd see Little E, theRodney twins, levon, like like
those guys, man, like they would, they would get into it.
You know they were competitiveand like, but like they didn't.
At the end of the day theydidn't care about anything but
winning and that's why they gotit done.
You know, that's why.

(20:13):
And guess what, you still hadEric still went on to play
division one, jordan Sugar stillwent on to play division one,
and and, and you know, andrewwent on to play quarterback at
Shep.
And like they all still went onto do all the things that they
wanted to do individually, youknow.
But did they?
You know, did they maybeaverage as many points as they

(20:33):
could have somewhere else?
No, but what they did togetherwas, like you said, something
that hadn't been done, and thatwas back when there was only
three classifications.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Now you've got six.
Yeah, we would have neverplayed against Hampton and any
of them back in our day.
Never, no, no never, no youmean in.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Brunswick, woodbridge , garfield, I mean, you know, it
just looked different.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, yeah, we wouldn't have never, ever had a
chance to play anybody in the757.
Yeah, they would have put it onus.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I think Wayne's got a question.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, I got one question for you.
Just keep it short and simple.
Mine is like a motivationalstandpoint what strategies do
you use to keep your playersengaged and motivated, whether
it's a winning situation or alosing situation?

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah, the number one thing kids look for and what,
what.
What I also have to take inmind with with a lot of my kids
I mean, you're looking at prettymuch every given year.
Uh, I mean I'll have a rosterthat you know two-thirds of the
team will be a single familyhousehold.
Um, you know at leasttwo-thirds of the team you know

(21:42):
is in that realm and so at theend of the day, all these kids
want to know is you believe inthem.
They might not be hearing that,they might not be hearing it at
home, or you know they mightnot have.
You know we got a lot of kids onthe team, like you know where
it's.
It's, uh, you know single momsgetting after it, working
multiple jobs, doing everythingthey can to provide for them,
and you know sometimes we may bethe only voice that you know

(22:03):
that they can to provide forthem and you know sometimes we
may be the only voice that youknow that they get to hear from
a male perspective at times andand any, any kid just wants to
know that you believe in them.
So I think at the heart of ourmotivation is in feeling and
letting the kids know that, thatwe believe in them.
And it's not just about, hey,you have the potential to do
this, like no, we believe youcan do this right now.

(22:25):
Um, cause, every kid they'retold, man, you can, you can do
this or you can do that.
You have this potential.
But letting them know this iswhat we believe you can do right
now and we believe it.
Uh, and that's, that's what youknow.
Yelling and screaming andbelittling kids, just it just
doesn't work it just doesn't,you know?
and now, the strongerrelationship you have with a kid

(22:47):
, then you, you know you can geton them, and but but at the
heart of that message is hey,come on, man, I know you can do
better.
No-transcript.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I've always learned, or learned as a coach, to turn a
negative into a positive.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
Yeah, don't don't, don't always just point out the
negative, but always finish witha positive.
Yeah, my old coach, scottMankins, who I mean we were just
talking about that team youknow the one-state title.
Mankins used to phrase positiveattitudes change everything.
That was the saying of the team.
Every team was paced Positiveattitudes change everything.
There's nothing good going tocome from dwelling on the
negative.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh, exactly Not at all.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Wayne.
He's the one that coached Mike,chris and Tickney when we were
playing.
They was missing a player downlow, but they was the best.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
Yeah, and Chris Boone is one that I mean.
Chris was over at my house acouple weeks ago.
We were putting in some trimand, you know, redoing my
hallway and you know Chris isanother one of those guys Like
that team that they had back inthe day when you had you know,
you had Tig Boom Crawford.
Oh God, they were Any one ofthem guys could have had 40 a

(24:17):
night you know they also hadJamie Good also.
Yeah, you know it was whoeverwas hot and they just, you know
they played well together as ateam and they just you know, uh,
so you know, chris, chris hastalked to me too about you know,
trying to come in and talk tothe guys at some point this year
too and I just think, havingour guys here from you know, not

(24:38):
just you know, I'll try tobring in alumni or folks in the
area that have.
Hey, maybe that you know theygot done as a team what they
wanted to get done and this iswhat worked for them, but also
guys that, hey, we didn't get itdone, and these are some things
that you know that that stoppedus along the way.
We got too worried about thisor we got too worried about that
, or um.
So yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Awesome.
All right, zach.
Another question for you.
Share a memorable moment fromyour coaching career that stands
out as a highlight.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
So we are traveling on the road in the state
semifinal game to Halifax, andthis is during COVID times.
I'm 23 years old.
I mean, it's just.
The year is flying by so fast.
We're sitting at 10-0.
And you know, if we win thegame, we know that we're hosting
the state title, we know that.

(25:32):
And we're up three with threeand a half seconds to go.
And there's a guy on thescouting report.
I'm not joking when I say hehas not hit a three all year
long.
And that was that was going toscout report like hey and so my
inbound philosophy was hey,we're going to deny everyone but

(25:54):
him, like we're going to playthe statistics like we're, we're
going to deny everyone but himand he's going to have to heave
it from half court.
Yeah, like that's how we'regoing to.
You know we're going to forcethe ball back.
He's got to take two droves andhe's half court.
Like that's how we're going to.
You know, we're going to forcethe ball back.
He's got to take two dribblesand heave it from half court.
Man, if that joker didn't bankin a half court shot it ended in
the overtime.

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And the part that impressed meman was like you know, and
people say this, and this is no,it's like people say like oh
well, when things get hard,hanley quits.
Like that's what people say.
And in that moment, I'm tellingyou.
When those five guys walkedover to me after that guy hit
that shot, I mean the look inMeech's eye was like nah, just

(26:39):
give me the ball.
This is done.
Right, like.
But they could have just puttheir heads down and folded Like
that's an on the road game.
They hit a half court shot.
Dude hasn't hit a three allyear long.
All the momentum has shiftedand just like they, the way they
walked over to the huddle waslike nah, we not, we're not,

(27:01):
we're not going out like this.
And I was just so proud of thatgroup because you couldn't
script the scenario even morewhere people say, oh, hanley
quits, hanley kids quit.
Like you couldn't have scripteda better scenario and those
kids did not at all.
And they put their back upagainst the wall and just and we
ended up winning it by seven inovertime.

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Like it was score, stop, score,stop, score, stop.
And it was just that SometimesI worry, like as a coach.
That happened to me when I was23.
Like I could coach for 50 moreyears and never be more proud of
a group of kids, just because,like that was the ultimate test

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of, like resiliency for thatgroup and I hate so much that
people didn't get to see thatteam.
Like it, it, it just that teamdeserved for the community to be
able to see them, and obviouslyit was tough times and
circumstances, but that's that'sby far and away the proudest
moment.

(28:02):
It's just not even that we wonthe game, that that they didn't
give up yeah, that theycontinued to fight and I think
from that moment it's carried onlike you can watch any of our
teams with our staff the lastfour years.
It's like those kids fight likethey, they continue to fight
and they do not give up.
I mean, at charlottesville lastyear it's got 41 free throws to

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our 13.
Our kids are are still diggingin heels in down eight with a
minute and a half to go, justfighting and fighting.
And that's what I'm mostimpressed about is that first
group was able to carry that onand, you know, to the other
groups that have come after.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Gotcha Good stuff, man Good stuff.
So, Chris, you got a question.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, good stuff, man , good stuff.
So, chris, you got a question.
Yeah, when can we uh see on theschedule that hanley and
martinsburg get to play eachother?
That's a good way back and theyhave not played in so long.
I'm like man, that'd be amazingfor that little, for that area,
right there to 81.
I think that could be fun,especially because you guys are
really good and we knowmartinsburg's always pretty good
yeah, you know, and and thatwould obviously uh prepare us

(29:10):
for, uh, for what?

Speaker 6 (29:12):
um, you know what, what we eventually want to get
to.
You know which.
You know in the regiontournament and you know if
you're forced in to get to astate tournament, like you know
it's, it's hard for our kids toplay teams all year long that
just try to slow us down andthen all of a sudden you're
playing somebody that's justtrapping everywhere flying

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around super athletic.
So our kids almost have to playlike two different brands of
basketball throughout the year.
And you know, martinsburg wouldprepare us for, you know, for
the types of teams that we wouldsee at the regional level with
the EC glass or GW Dan.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
They run, they have size.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Absolutely.
They're athletic, well coached,you know, and I think we would.
We would do Martinsburg a favortoo as well, you know.
Here's all I'll say about this.
You guys can ask the othercoaches when you interview.
I am just so you know.
The way that the region worksnow is all record-based.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
It's all based on your record.
So I want you to compare theschedules of the local county
schools last year to theschedules that they made this
year for themselves after wewent 18-6.
And I want you to look at that.
And so it's become hard for me.
Like if we schedule Spotswoodtwice, martinsburg, huguenot,

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skyline twice you know anotherschool from Ridge like we wanted
to play Verona.
Like if we schedule all these10 really tough games, well
shoot, we may go 16-6 and we'llbe, or 16-8, we'll be extremely
prepared for the playoffs, butwe may not make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, because they can hurt you in the long run.
Is what you're getting.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Yeah, you know so if the other schools are playing
Warren County and Central andTurner-Ashby, I mean look at the
schedules.
I mean it's hard for us.
So that's why, as the vicepresident of the coach
association, the biggest thingon my agenda well, two things
one is the shot clock and two isis getting a statewide point

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system.
Like you should be encouraged,you should be encouraged to play
tough teams, the systemshouldn't be encouraged for you
to.
You know schedule down lowerclassifications and then, you
know, try to get the best recordpossible.
And I understand why the otherarea coaches did it.
You know they're looking at theregion.
Like we know Hanley andCharlottesville are going to be

(31:39):
really good and that leads to aplayoff spot.
So how are we going to getthere?
Right?
And you know.
So they're trying to.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
They're trying to schedule favorable games that
they feel like they can win, totry to get in, to try to get in
that playoff on now and thenwhen they face charlottesville
or hangley, uh, more than likelythey're going to be in a lot of
trouble because you're notgoing to win if you're playing
all the rapid hannock and warrencounty and stuff all the time,
right, you know and going to winif you're playing all the

(32:07):
rapid-handling and Warren Countyand stuff all the time.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Right, you know.
But the system, you know, forthem they're looking at it like,
hey, we got to figure out a wayto get to the postseason, you
know so we, you know.
So we play Huguenot this year.
You know we play Skyline twice,we play Charlottesville Like,

(32:29):
we have some tough games on ourskit stanton, um, you know, uh,
or re lee.
So, like we, we have some toughgames on our schedule this year
and uh, you know, hopefully,you know we can win the benefit
of the doubt of those and uh,get to the next level.
But we don't.
We don't want to be in ascenario again where we're
traveling in the postseasonbecause we scheduled tough games
and everybody around us, didn't?
um, you know, I mean you look at, look at charlesville schedule

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from last year.
I looked at the beginning ofthe year and I said they only
have two, three potential losseswestern albemarle twice and
albemarle twice, that's it.
You look at their schedule andyou're like this team's 18 and
four at the minimum, and so,like you knew you had minimal
margin for error.
Uh, and so we played spots withtwice and we played meridian
and you know we played skyline.
Fortunately we got skyline.

(33:10):
You know they typically alwayshave had some good talent.
But uh, you know we played sometough games last year and you
know we were.
I think it was a game or twounder shawlsville.
So then we had a trap and thatwas that was.
That was a tough environment,for sure what about the
tournaments?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
how do you decide what tournaments you're going to
be a part of and how do youknow exactly what team you might
play if it's a real tournament,like you'd play the winner of a
game and so on but this mightjust be a match-up tournament,
where you just play a game andthat's it yeah, so the.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
so the main in-season tournament that we do is the
Hanley Show, and what we'll tryto do with that is we'll try to
give us a team that willsimulate what a post-season team
for us would look like.
So this year we're playingHuguenot.
I just went down and scoutedthem Saturday after Thanksgiving
and all, all seniors, extremelyathletic, they're going to

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press, trap, fly around.
So you know that would prepareus for EC, glass, gw, danville,
charlottesville, prepare us forthose types.
But now the way that you haveso many class three and class
four Northwestern district teams, so the district is like, well,
12 or 14 teams in Northwesterndistrict but there's like eight

(34:22):
class three teams and only fouror five class three, uh, four
teams now.
So what they've done is they'vesaid, hey, class fours, you've
got to play three class uh, yougot to play three class three
teams at least twice.
So that, right there, that'ssix games right there.
And then you factor in all yourdistrict games that you you

(34:43):
know, know, james Wood, liberty,sarando, mo Bro, so you're
already looking at 16, 18 gamesalready covered.
So you don't have a lot ofwiggle room.
And then really, the only timepeople really do tournaments is
either a holiday tournamentaround Christmas time or, like
you said, we do a showcase likethat.
So we haven't played in atournament where it's like, hey,
if you win this one, you go onand play a different team at the

(35:05):
next one.
So I think in-seasontournaments have kind of gone
away a little bit, just becauseyou know so much of your regular
season is consumed with likewhat your mandated required
games are.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Gotcha.
Well, I have one last question,you know to get done real quick
.
So, Zach, describe a pivotalmoment in your coaching career
where you had to make a toughdecision that impacted the
team's trajectory.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
When you say impacts team's trajectory, like hey,
this could lessen talent for us.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, like lessen talent for us.
Yeah, like you know, just acontroversy.
You know like I've made harddecisions.
You know like a starter, youknow you're taking out somebody,
it's just anything.
That was a hard decision.
Basically, you had to make avery tough decision.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Sure, I think, oh, excuse me, they're sophomores,
they're juniors.
Now I'll excuse theirsophomores, or juniors now.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
So two years ago, around Christmas time was when.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Kyron Oglesby transferred back into Hamlin and
at that point in time it washalfway through the year.
So, you know, you have toreally ask yourself like, hey,

(36:43):
you know what are you going todo?
Is he going to be on the teamhanley?
So it's like yeah, peoplecalled him a transfer, but it's
like, is he really a transfer?
I mean he played.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
He played a day.
He played a day in morgan.
He's lived in winchester right,you know his mom went to school
with us.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
So yeah, yeah, and so with the hanley andwood, yeah,
so you know, I kind of looked atthat situation, like you know,
and I don't know, I didn't knowtoo much how much Kyron really
wanted to be at the privateschool he was at, you know, I
think, and he wanted to playwith his friends and he wanted

(37:18):
to be at Hanley and he wanted to, you know, be there, and so you
know we had a decision to make.
Hey, we're going to put them onthe team.
You know what are we going todo and you know I sat him for
two games, but that was in.
Hey, you have to, you have todo and earn everything that
everyone else already has Rightand then, and then we'll go from

(37:40):
there.
So you know, he had to pass hisconditioning test that everyone
has to do, which, tony, I'msure, christian told you about.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
We know about that.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
The latter is not even you know, and it took Kyron
a couple times.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
You know, to the point.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I said what are you guys doing in practice over
there?
You know, and it took him acouple times and you know, hey,
if you want, you know you gotIsaiah LeVette here, that's a
senior, and you know you've gotother guys.
You know that, play yourposition.
You're going to have to come inand compete right away.
But I looked at we were gettingreally stagnant as a program at

(38:15):
that time.
Like we were I think we werethree and seven and we were on
the verge of like the team waslike are we okay with losing?
Like have we just acceptedlosing?
That's where the team was likeare we okay with?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
losing, Like have we just accepted?

Speaker 6 (38:27):
losing.
That's where the team was, andso your question was like a
pivotal moment that could havechanged the trajectory.
But the reality was, whensomebody came in at that moment
in time, it elevated thecompetition and practice
immediately.
Like everyone started realizingoh, like I'm fighting for time,
I'm fighting for minutes, I'mfighting for rotation.

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And you know I applaud Kyronfor handling it.
You know the way he did was hey, bud, you're not getting
uniformed, so you pass that test.
And then, once you get auniform, you got to practice X
amount of days before you canplay.
And you know, I remember, youknow watching, you know he sat
out the skyline game at home andyou know we tried everything in
the world we could do to stopthe Diggs kid and we couldn't.

(39:09):
And you know they beat us athome in a close one and I can
see Kyron like wanting to getout there and thought he could
make a difference and he justcame in and put his head down.
But you know that was tough,you know.
But I kind of looked at that,you know, like hey, this kid's
been here, he grew up here.
You know he was right around thecorner.

(39:29):
So, yeah, I thought that was apivotal time, but you know, I
thought it worked out good forus.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, I mean, I can relate to that.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
We finished the season 17 and 12 and went to the
state tournament that year.
And it wasn't just because,like, oh, we had Kyron, now Just
the level of competition everyday and the level of compete and
practice, and just like it wasjust a pivotal moment for the
team, Everyone got tired oflosing.
You know, when Kyron came in,he didn't want to lose any games
.
Everyone was tired of beingthree and seven and it just

(40:03):
sparked this competition andcompetitiveness in practice.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Hey, I get it.
I mean, you know, like, themore talent you have, it's going
to lift everybody else up.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
Yep iron sharpens iron.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Iron sharpens iron.
Yep, you took words right outof my mouth.
So I mean, the best team I everhad at Daniel Morgan was a
Christian Amari J, like dude, wewere 15.
And that team, best practice,ever pushed each other and, like
you said, you bring somebody,it's like, oh shit, I better
step my game up, you know,because this guy could take my

(40:39):
spot, just like that, whichhappens.
So it's always great to have,it's great to have a lot of
talent, but at the same time,you be a curse when you do.
You know how that goes.
So, guys, you got any morequestions for zach?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
nah, I'm good on the questions oh, you're good.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
so, zach, uh yeah, like you brought up, you know
you have a tough schedule andeverything and I'll just say I
predict you guys to finish firstin the district.
I'll say it first and foremost.
But who do you see as yourbiggest challenge this year in
the district?

Speaker 6 (41:19):
So in the district.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Not to put you on the spot.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
Yeah, you know, I think I think every year, year
in, year out, you know, Sharandoseems to always have the same
type of team Tall, physical playwell together.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
But I think that, yeah, Garland's been coaching
since I played, yeah, 33 years.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Yeah, you know and you know what you're going to
get.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I mean you know, hey it what you're gonna get.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
I mean you know, hey it's gonna be, it's gonna be
flexed in circle motion and andyou know, but but they all buy
it.
I mean you can't say that histeams don't buy it and they play
hard and so they always havesome good size and, um, you know
.
But I think that I think thatmillbrook has a good core of
seniors.
This year, with Sean Rooks,kyle Arthur, some of the seniors

(42:09):
that they have, I think thatthey'll be truly competitive.
But I truly mean this when Isay this.
But like we really just focuson us, like I don't like in the
summer we don't play any of them.
You know, we don't play like youknow we, we don't play like we
I mean we play John Marshall andin Westfield, like I mean we're

(42:30):
, we don't, we don't keep tabson what they're doing or how
they are, and like we reallyjust focus on us.
And that's been good to us.
Um, you know, we've, we're,we're in four years we're 50%
state tournament appearance rateand you know we have a regional
state championship and aregional championship, a state
runner up, and you know it'sit's been good to us to focus on
us and trying to, you know,keep our locker room, the locker

(42:54):
room, and focus on us.
But I, you know, I do thinkthat you know, I think Ben Bates
is going to be an instantculture change to James Wood.
I think he's gonna, you know.
I think when they play usthey'll try to make the game 12
to 8 and really slow the gamedown.
And you know, I think that youknow Eric's team's always play

(43:15):
hard and Millbrook, typically,is always going to have some
shooters.
So you look at the game weplayed against them last year.
I mean what are we going to do?
They shot 65% from three.
You know, I mean they've gotguys that you know can get hot
any given night.
So you know, but I wouldsuspect Millbrook, with the most
returning senior guard play tobe pretty competitive.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Got, it Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
But you're right, tony, everybody else is playing
for second yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I believe so they know it too.
But uh, oh well, zach, uh, inending, uh, what, what do you do
for the?
Or how do you get your teaminvolved with the community?
I would say your players andstudent, student athletes.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Yeah.
So a couple things we do.
One, obviously, we run theHanley basketball camp in the
summertime.
You know we've consistentlyaveraged 100 kids, you know, at
camp each summer.
Then we'll volunteer and run acamp with Parks and Rec, which,
by the way, I don't know if youguys have talked to him yet, but
this will be a great interviewwhat Chris Conyer is doing with

(44:28):
Winchester Parks and Rec reallyneeds some recognition.
I mean, from where, when I tookover the job at Hanley, from
where the rec basketball programwas then to where it's at now,
I mean he's scraping forvolunteer coaches because
there's 400 kids in the league.
I mean it's incredible, youknow.

(44:51):
So we'll try to volunteer thereand that's been a big part of,
you know, something I've triedto do is get involved with Parks
and Rec, get involved with, youknow, the grassroots
development of our kids and youknow Winchester parks and rec
orchestrated a really good dealwith shanandale university that
allows them to, you know, allowa lot of rec programs that are

(45:11):
really affordable costs for kidsso we can get our kids involved
in stuff early on.
So that that's been a big partof our volunteer environment as
well as helping run camps andprograms for winchester parks
and rec.
Uh, this year a couple of thingswe're going to do.
One is Salvation Army bellringing during the holiday times
, you know, I think it providesa great humility aspect to our

(45:34):
players, you know, getting outthere and raising funds for a
great cause.
And we're also going to doaround the holiday time, close
to when you know everyone'sdoing their Christmas shopping
last minute Do just a one daybasketball camp.
That also combos with a fooddrive where, hey, you know, you

(45:55):
can bring your kid in, drop themoff all day.
Go, do shopping for your kids,we'll take care of them, we'll
wear them out, but we just askyou to bring a non-perishable,
you know.
And do a food drive to helpfeed some families for the
holidays.
And then the other thing we'redoing this year is I'm asking
the kids to pick a communityservice project.
So I'm saying, hey, you've gotthree weeks, I need a plan.

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Who are we helping?
Why are we helping them?
How are we going to do it?
And it's on them to figure itout as a team and so that you
know that that puts the big,passes the baton to them and
then, you know, hopefully, showsthem that.
You know, this is more thanbasketball, and and that you
guys have the ability to make animpact on on the lives of other

(46:39):
people.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Good, good stuff, man , I like it.
Good, good stuff, man, I likeit.
So in closing, who is?

Speaker 6 (46:56):
what's your biggest inspiration in your life and got
you into coaching?
I would say it's a combinationof a few different people.
It's hard for me to pinpoint,hard for me to pinpoint one
specific person.
But my college coach, paigeMoyer, was the definition of
like a personable coach thatcares about you and like he,

(47:18):
just he, just that really showedme what coaching was all about.
But then I got to see my secondyear coach Nunley, who was just
man, he was hard on you and hewas detail oriented and but,
like you know, when I tore mypatella and he brought me on
staff, like I got to realizelike man, this guy, this guy

(47:39):
sleeps here, like he doesn'tleave like he, like he is always
watching film and he's alwayspreparing.
So it's like no wonder he getsfrustrated, you know, like he's
pouring his heart and soul intothis, and I think it was the
combination of those two thatreally showed me like, if you
can be a bit of both, you can bea good coach, like you can't be

(48:00):
, you know, off the rails, justsuper detail oriented, you know,
and not focus on therelationships and developing
those.
But you can't also.
You can't also just be a, youknow, full blown players coach
that has no non-negotiables, nostandards, no rule.
Like you.
You've got to be a balance ofboth.

(48:20):
Um, but it was also when Igraduated college.
Um, you know, as soon as Igraduated college I came back
home we found out my dad hadstage four multiple myeloma.
My dad's not my dad's notsupposed to be here, right, and
you know they, they told him.
You know they called in myselfand my mom.
They said, hey, he's got, he'sgot three and a half months.

(48:41):
But but if he goes to JohnHopkins and does a stem cell
transfusion, he'll have a chance.
And so we said, all right, youknow when, when can we go?
Like we'll drive right now, andyou know, so my dad went to
John Hopkins for 30 days and dida stem cell transfusion and you
know he has a form of cancerthat's not curable.
Uh, you know it has to bemaintained and requires weekly

(49:05):
medications and stuff.
But the stem cell transfusion,you know, is what kept him here
to this day.
But I just remember, as aplayer, I did not care about
player of the years, I did notcare about it, I just wanted to
win a state championship.
That's all I wanted to do.
But my dad couldn't come to manyof my games because he worked
90 hours a week growing up andso I felt like my dad missed a

(49:28):
lot of me with basketball andlike, and so it was just such an
easy decision for me one.
I mean my college coaches toldme like you have a gift for
coaching.
You need to coach and you know.
So that kind of sparked theinterest and then I started to
realize, like man, I might be abetter coach than I was a player

(49:49):
.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
You know I couldn't play a lick of defense.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
But I can coach it.
Don't ask me to guard anybody,but I can teach Christian how to
do it.
You know, and and it's so.
It was just really thecombination of all those things
that are really pivotal time.
And you know, I just you know,before my dad goes, you know,
there's two things that I wantto do in Winchester.
I want my dad to see, you know,a program I'm a part of win a

(50:19):
state title and I want JohnHanley to win a state title.
I can't be done.
I can't be done with Winchesteruntil I think a school that
deserves that so much you know,is finally able to achieve that.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Good, good stuff.
Yeah, I agree, man, let's get astate title and then your job's
finished, zach, then you canleave.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
No, I mean I start the legacy.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I think I'm just yeah no, I mean, that's Start the
legacy, man, start the legacy.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
I think that's the point where you can just take a
deep breath yeah, right Now,let's go do it again.
Now, let's go do it again, yeahright, yeah, so set the bar
high.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
But hey, man, we appreciate you and hey, I
definitely appreciate youbecause you know you've coached,
uh, quincy, you know my oldestboy and and christian, right,
you know that you've brought upa lot here, but but I appreciate
everything you do.
You know you're a tough coach,you are, you're a tough coach
and you stick to your guns, man,and I, I appreciate that.

(51:18):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And then you know they they'velearned from it.
They might not, especiallyspeaking about quincy, he might
not know now, but he'll learn inthe long run.
You know what you were tryingto instill with teaching.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Well, you know, I would say he does.
I can't remember where it was.
I either ran into Quincy orNicky, but he's.
I mean Quincy's working withyou now.
Right, yeah, he's at UPS now.
Yeah, he learned he's there.
Um, you know that's, and thisis a whole nother conversation.

(51:53):
But you know, I think we got tostop force feeding messages to
our kids that the only thingthey can do to make something
out of themselves go to college.
I mean, look at, look at someof these jobs we have.
In our area alone, dude, a carwash, is paying $20 an hour to
go down there and do this yeah,you're right, Hang loose
whatever it's called, hang 10.
I mean $20 an hour to go downthere.
I mean, Tavon Long and Kamaniare down there, both making $20

(52:14):
an hour, and you know Tavon isworking towards a management
role.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
Yeah, about what I was going to say.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
That's great, that's great, you know so.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, you know.
Um, so yeah, I think, yeah, wedo touch on something.
It's like we, it's like sportsare, but you know what I mean.
Like that's it like and I'velearned, especially with my
older, because I've learned, youknow, you're a parent and going
through this the first time andthat's the thing you just want
them to be successful and agreat human being.
You know, in the end, you knowsports isn't the end, all be all
.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
You know but you know , and you, you know, you.
Sometimes you'll hear like, oh,you're only about winning, or
you know, it's all that matters.
Winning, it's like no.
But if you focus on the traitsthat contribute to or result in
winning, those are the traitsthat are going to you're going
to take with you for the rest ofyour life exactly yes and life

(53:04):
is a battle of winning andlosing.
You're not the only personapplying for the rest of your
life, and life is a battle ofwinning and losing.
You're not the only personapplying for the job.
You're not the only persondoing the job.
There's somebody out therethat's trying to do it better
than you.
And so when you focus on whatit takes to win and getting
people to do that, then you knowthat they're going to be
successful in what they do next,because what that requires is

(53:24):
100% of your effort, all thetime.
Right.
Your best effort requires apositive attitude.
It requires being able tohandle adversity, it requires
being able to work with othersAll those things together.
You learn those through sports,you know, but you play the game
to win right, and so all thosetraits go into contributing to

(53:45):
what it takes to win, and thenyou know what it's all about is
life after handling.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Exactly, exactly right, yep.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
So, zach, hey, man, we appreciate you and you know.
Good luck on the season.
Yep absolutely Look forward toseeing you guys.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah, yeah, we'll be out there.
Keep the kids motivated, manand engaged.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Hey man.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Appreciate your guys time.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Hey, you too, man.
We really appreciate it.
Have a good day, man All rightguys All right Later.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Later.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
All right, everyone.
That was coach Zach Carroll.
We appreciate him being on thisweek, and so now we're going to
jump into our main topics forthis week, which will be Donald
Trump, tariffs, and then we'lltalk about some history that's
never talked about.
All right, everybody, all right.

(54:40):
So our first topic everyonewill be Trump policies and the
tariffs that he wants to put oncountries and taxes and all
kinds of bullshit.
So let's just dive into that,because he wants to start taxing
you know, 100 percent taxes,what it says.
Or in Canada, mexico, guam, whoyou know, israel, whoever he

(55:04):
wants to tax everybody forimported goods.
So what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
the same same stuff all the time.
Man, I don't really thinknothing's going to change.
They just everything.
That it's just an excuse tocontinuously rise.
Raise the prices on everythingwe have to, regardless if it's
for your home, for your car.
It is a home or a car.
Your food, your supplies youget at everyday dollar stores or

(55:29):
Walmart or whatever.
It's going to be no different.
They're just going to raise theprices on everything, except
for our pay.
Our wages won't change, but theprice of everything will, and
they'll continue to delete themiddle class and continuously
raise the bar between that topone percent and everybody else.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
So OK, chris.
So to touch on, you know, I'lltouch on this article from the
Associated Press.
It says, and I quotePresident-elect Donald Trump on
Saturday threatened 100 percenttariffs against a block of nine
nations if they act to underminethe US dollar.
His threat was directed atcountries in the so-called BRIC

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alliance, which consists ofBrazil, russia, india, china,
south Africa, egypt, ethiopia,iran and the United Arab
Emirates.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Which that's where Dubai is.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
So that's basically what we get all our goods from
Canada.
Yeah, what do we get fromCanada?
Lumber, it's some fruit.
I think I'll have to look upwhat we import from Canada and
Mexico and stuff like that.
So the thing is, is everybodywho voted for Trump was thinking

(56:45):
oh, what do they always say?
Oh, gas prices and everything'sgoing down?
Well, guess what?
Everybody, if he does this,everything's going to skyrocket
and, like you said, chris, wecan't even survive now as it is.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Well, you got to think about when he was in
office.
gas never went down.
Gas rose when he was in office.
Gas never went down.
Gas rose when he was in office.
And then when you put thisextra tax, so-called tariff, on
all these nations, all it doesis just raise taxes on imported
and exported goods and the onlything, only people that benefit
from it are foreign countriesthe consumer, and then the

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country who's getting the import, the consumer, and then the
country who is getting theproducts imported into their
country.
So, with that being said, itwould never benefit the citizens
of no country.
It'll just always make us paymore and more for clothes, food,
gas, et cetera, just like Chriswas saying, Like everything

(57:41):
will just get raised and our paywill stay the same well shit.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I mean, when you look into the national average, the
history of like, um, what I'mgonna say, uh, pay rate, um,
minimum wage, is what I'mthinking.
Dude, it really hasn't rosesince the 70s or 80s.
Is that the average?
The national average has stayedthe same for 30 over 40 years.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Yeah, that number is always going to be different
because they change it, but it'sstill the median point of the
economy.
You'd never go up.
There's no up.
When you're thinking you'remaking $27 an hour at your job,
I'm like, oh yeah, I'm making,making good money, but you
forget to realize what theyraised in our country.
So you're still living the lifeas like you're in the 1990s

(58:29):
yeah, that's what.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm getting.
So, yeah, like you say, youmake 20, even 30 an hour yeah
you see, everything goes up andit's it all balances out.
It's like you're stillbasically making the same.
I want to say but they make it.
Try to make it look good, Right.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Like back in the day we talked about it before.
We're like oh, gas is 79 cents,you could get a soda for 50
cents.
Yeah, because you wasn't makingthat much.
And then when all of a suddenyou start making more, now the
soda costs 220.
Bag of chips costs $3.
But it's the same shit thatthey were baking in those other
decades, man.
They ain't changed the cheese.

(59:06):
They ain't changed the tortilla.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
They're still the same bro man.
I remember when a piece ofcandy cost one penny man.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, I understand things goup, you know, but it's the whole
gripe.
Is well, all right if she goesup, of course your pay has to
have it all balanced out, but itdoesn't.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Ask your parents if they're God willing they're all
still living or the ones thatare.
Ask them how much they used tobe able to, just even though we
don't like it like that now.
But ask them about McDonald's.
Say how much could you get aMcDonald's meal for?
They will be like I ate a wholeMcDonald's meal for under a
dollar for it.
They will be like I ate a wholeMcDonald's meal for under a
dollar.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I remember when it was $5, $6.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, it's like $18 to $20.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
now it's doubled.
Everything's doubled.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
It's more than doubled now.
Actually, remember we used tohave to deal two Big Macs for
like what?
$5?
.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Now one is like $10.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
It's one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
You know why?
You can get two Big Macs for $5.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That's four patties and they're super little and
they add that extra piece ofbread to make you feel like you
got something it's not meat,it's soy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
They put soy like ground soy protein.
They cut the meat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It's weird but it didn't used to be fake, it used
to be real.
Stuff used to be fake untilpeople realized that they could
hustle the shit out of all of usand just make fake food and
then save money on their end.
But charge us more and with thethings they add to it it makes
it so addictive.
Like people in general, we lovethese products, the Whoppers

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and all this extra stuff Subway.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Chipotle.
But it's all fake.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
It wasn't fake when our parents' generation, and
then, when these restaurantsstarted out, they was not fake.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Man, you got to think about it.
Man, there's not that manyfucking cows, man, to keep up
with all the McDonald's in theworld bro.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Cows, pigs and chickens.
Man, that's the food.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I live on, so I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
It's processed anyway .
Everything's processed man.
Everything's fake, bro it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
but what I'm saying, Tony, is it didn't used to be.
Ask your mom, She'll be likehell.
No, it was good, it was real.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I remember there was a chicken sandwich from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Chick-fil-A People started fucking with the farms
and everything else.
Look at Bill Gates.
He just got a law passed wherehe's allowed to genetically
inject his food with fake shitand I'm like how's that crazy?
And it got passed because he'sgot all that money and he can be
like well, I'll do what I want.
People are like you can't breakthe law or override the law.

(01:01:35):
Well, he has enough money topay all the lawmakers.
Yes, you can, and he did.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
China is buying farmland in this country.
China, really, but they're coolwith.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
They are Alright, guys.
I'll touch on this article alittle more of what Trump stated
, and then Putin as well.
So it says Trump, in a truesocial post, said we require a
commitment from these countriesthat they will neither create a
new BRICS currency nor back anyother currency to replace the

(01:02:10):
mighty US dollar, or they willface 100% tariffs and should
expect to say goodbye to sellinginto the wonderful US economy.
So, moving on, it says it's notus who refuse to use the dollar
, putin said at the time.
But if they don't let us work,what can we do?
We forced, we are forced tosearch for alternatives new

(01:02:43):
payment system that would offeran alternative to the global
bank messaging network, swift,and allow Moscow to dodge
western sanctions and trade withpartners and a court movement
on.
Trump states no chance.
Bric will replace the US dollarin global trade and any country
that tries to make that happenshould wave goodbye to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
America.
That's that new thing they have, that's BRICS, the BRIC thing.
You're saying, yeah, brics.
I told you a lot of countrieshave done away with the US
dollar, they ain't worried aboutit.
At the end of the day, you'retalking about these countries.
You think they're not worriedabout that.
They'll be like well, that'sthe loss of the US, because we

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won't have all that product.
And then now the demand will beso high that they're going to
charge a super crazy amount ofmoney even for anybody here to
try to get it on, like Internetand everything else.
Trump can't shut that down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Yeah, he can't.
He's just going to make itworse for our country, man.
Yep, you got to.
When you go into stores, man,how many things that you pick up
, say, made in the US?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Man, it says made in Indonesia, made in Taiwan,
everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
We don't even make our own flags.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
So why would he want to do something like that bro?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
But, Wade, I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
You know how many doors you'll see shut on
businesses in America, bro, thatrely on imported goods A lot,
because they can't completetheir business without imported
goods.
Exactly how many cars aredriven every day in this country
that ain't from this country?
Exactly?
Like what's from this country.
Ford and what else?
General Motors, but there's nota lot.
Yeah, but Ford is even overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
now, dude, you got to realize.
Okay, they say it's not a lot,yeah, but Ford is even overseas.
Now, dude, you got to realize.
Okay, they say it's notAmerican-made anymore, a lot of
these cars.
They get all their parts madeoverseas somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
now, yeah, that's why , every time we call anybody for
help, we always got to speak tosomebody.
That's hard to understandbecause they're not even from
here either.
I ain't knocking them, but theygot a job and I'm like all
these jobs were sent overseas.
I think they was doing thatwhen starting in the 70s and 80s
.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
They did that to save money, but now it's really
backfired and fucked the wholeeconomy and all of us as a
people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
I think that's the logic behind Donald Trump's
terror that he's putting on theother countries.
He's trying to bring the workback into this country he wants
to bring the business back.
He wants to bring, put peopleback to work, I mean yeah, I get
that.
It's like we're feedingeveryone, but we're not feeding
ourselves Right, because we wantto look good to the outside

(01:05:16):
world, good point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
So do you guys know that most, most countries don't
pay any of their people per hour?
They pay them salaries, so, nomatter what, they get paid the
same and they have a goodwork-life balance.
And they said that the US iscrazy when it's compared to
everything else, to how much wehave to go to work just to make
a dollar.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Yeah, like a lot of people from other countries
always want to come to the USbecause, you know, they think
they're going to live a betterlife.
But when they come over herethey're like fuck, like yeah,
they're like what the fuck isgoing on?
I've seen this anytime yeah,and then you see a lot of
foreigners that come in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
They all live together because they can't live
on their own and they stack upand then everybody makes fun of
them.
Look at all these mexicans orhaitians or whatever, and one
house or, and five years laterthey all got their own shit
because they was willing to gothrough that for four or five
years.
Well, you kind of have to forreal, but they made it happen
and everybody else would bestill struggling because we

(01:06:12):
weren't willing to do all thatas a people, we was like man,
fuck it.
There's no unity like that here, no, but they've created it
because all they've done isdivide us as the people every
single day, with a milliondifferent reasons or ways to
divide us.
Yeah, when really we all got toget up and do the same shit, no
matter what you look like, nomatter what state you live in,

(01:06:32):
you still got to go to work,still got to pay taxes, so to
speak.
You got to do whatever theytell you.
But you're right, everybody,everybody from other countries
come here because they sell thatAmerican dream, but it's a pipe
dream.
Yeah, they get him Like why isthere so much homelessness, so
many crackheads and fiends andshit everywhere?
Because they don't understand.
They see TV, they just seemovies.

(01:06:52):
They see cities and lights andthey think that everything here
is is the same as looking atlike Jay-Z and and Tom Hanks.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
That's not our life, but look at a lot of them,
though.
They're smart, though man, theycome here and they build that
American dollar because whereverthey came from, that American
dollar might be worth somethingwhere they came from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Oh it is.
That's why they all send moneyback to their families.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah, man.
So when they go back home, bro,man, they're probably living
like a king back home or a queenman and a big ass like so
called mansion bro oh yeah, mywife sending money back.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Like her mom's got wifi, central air, like they've
all upgraded right, your wife isable to send that back to US
dollar and it's worth so muchmore than these other countries
yeah, but here before long itain't gonna be worth shit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
They're already being depleted by a lot of countries.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
That's why Trump's before long it ain't going to be
worth shit.
They're already being depletedby a lot of countries.
That's why Trump's like oh,y'all ain't going to fuck with
us.
Well, guess what?
But we'll see what happens.
Tony, what do you think aboutit all?
I think the last time that gaswas low, consistently, was Bill
Clinton was in office.
Yeah, you're right.
Since Bush and everything else,times have just changed.

(01:08:03):
But honestly, bush came and9-11 came and times have really
changed, but there ain't no lowgas prices, no more.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Hey, when Bill Clinton was in office love the
man or Haiti we were in asurplus, which means a positive.
We didn't have a national debtwhen he was in office.
He's the last.
Basically, god is out of debtand our economy was thriving
when Clinton was in office.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
He kept it real, he smoked weed, got hit.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
He played the saxophone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
He's chilling.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
The world seemed like it was at peace, though that's
a difference were.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I mean, do the, do the research, every, every
country.
We can't say the world was atpeace.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Our world was at peace.
There was no fights for the usalike that, not after the first
bush right desert storm.
That happened in the early 90s.
The first bush was in officewhen we was all leaving
elementary go to middle school.
That was that last fight.
I I don't think Bill Clintondid have any big wars, but he
definitely created a lot of shitthat we didn't realize.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
All right, so final thoughts on this.
Terrorists, it's a bad idea.
Of course We'll be screwed.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Just to sum that up, we'll definitely be screwed.
Moving on done with Trump fornow, because you know he's
always a hot topic.
Almost every week you talkanything about his dumb ass, so
we'll get into history.
That's unspoken, never talkedabout.

(01:09:39):
And Chris had an interestingone.
Chris, you sent this through atext right this USS Liberty
incident in 1967.
So first of all, ask, like theguy I did in the video is like
who's everybody thinks ourbiggest ally right In this
country?
Who's our biggest ally?
Everybody will say who.
It's Israel.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
England.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yeah, israel or england.
So this uss liberty incidentI'll touch on and we'll speak
about it was uh during.
It happened during the six-daywar, which was between arab and
israel war arab and israel warand one of our uh aircraft
carriers right was a bombedtorpedoed by israel and they

(01:10:33):
claim it was an accident.
This was in 1967, june 8th of1967, when this happened and
they and, of course, israel,because they apologized for the
attack, saying that the USSLiberty had been attacked in
error after being mistaken foran Egyptian ship.
Both the Israeli and USgovernments conducted inquiries

(01:10:56):
and issued reports thatconcluded the attack was a
mistake due to Israel confusionabout the ship's identity.
Others, including survivors ofthe attack, have rejected these
conclusions and maintained thatthe attack was deliberate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And Israel runs the US and you want to know that's
part of the reason that it kindof started back then, because
the US didn't investigate noneof that, they didn't worry about
it and Israel was like you knowwhat, we can kind of do what we
want with them, fuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
And that's real.
Yeah, we'll just bob your shipand say, oh, it was a mistake,
our bad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
And half the people that have been in our government
recently are all people thathave Israeli ties, like even
Biden, like you know what I mean, the Zionists, so to speak,
like they're all just like, yeah, they don't give a fuck, they,
they don't care about no americaor nothing, they care about
themselves.
But israel is is controllingthis country from the inside out

(01:11:53):
and that what you're talkingabout right now.
Tony, you're right, that's thatkind of started it off, and when
the us didn't investigate it,it was like, all right, they
just said it was an accident,like what.
They was testing us by thatwarship or whatever the ship.
And once they realized the USwasn't going to do nothing, they
was like, well, shit, we good,we got them in our back pocket
now.

(01:12:13):
And it's so small the place andnobody's really from Israel,
like that.
There's people born there now,of course, course, but most of
their people moved there fromother places and wanted to
create it.
It's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Their whole army is people from other places,
including this country oh, andthen moving on the article, it
says here that, uh, lyndon bjohnson was accused of covering
up the the attack because he'sprobably one of them too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
They all involved in that shit together, man, and we
never even hear about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
And that's why you never Was there really a
thorough investigation, Honestly, so who knows?
But Israel government does, haspaid money to survivors,
families and stuff through theyears.
They did come to that agreementwhere they paid millions out in

(01:13:10):
compensation and stuff to thefamily, the 34 victims who were
killed in the attack.
So they are doing that, payingout money, but it doesn't bring
people back.
So the attack, yeah, not talkedabout much at all ever.
So there you go for yourhistory that is never spoken or

(01:13:32):
taught in schools because it wascovered up by Lyndon B Johnson
and he took it out the historybooks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, they don't want us to know about it.
Then we won, won't?
He's probably looking somestuff up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Y'all was y'all was just talking so I was letting
y'all get get your little shineon, though I'm just looking at a
lot of stuff that you know justdon't get taught in schools,
man.
Like the first thing thatpopped up when I when I did my
research was a lady namedclaudette colvin, and in school
they tell you that rosa parkswas the first one to give up her
seat on the bus, but apparentlythis lady was the first one to

(01:14:08):
give up her seat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
She did it way before Rosa.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Yeah, I've heard about this.
Yeah, but they teach you inschools that Rosa Parks was the
one initially sparked the civilrights movement after refusing
to give up her seat, while itwas true, but when Claudette was
15, she was the first one toactually refuse that movement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
And Rosa Parks is a redbone black woman.
The other young lady was prettydark.
You know what I mean and it'sfunny how they wait and do what
they want when they want to doit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, it's weird to say it still was a black woman,
right, yeah, it was a blackwoman.
It still was a black womanright, yeah, it was a black
woman.
It's like why does Rosa Parksget credit, right, or that's
what's taught.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Well, Tony, I don't think they didn't have the white
people sit on the back of thebus.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I know that I'm just saying like when you just state,
I'm just trying to understand,why does Rosa Parks get the
credit for it?
You said they're not the firstwoman, Jackie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Robinson's not the first black guy to play in the
major leagues.
You know what I mean.
They tell us certain people forreasons it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
It is weird, man.
I wonder why they do thatthough, Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Russell's not the first black guy in the NBA.
You know what I mean.
But they tell us these guys arethe ones.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
And that happened like nine months before Rosa
Parks even decided to do thesame thing she did.
So it's kind of interesting.
And then also in like 1871, itwas a Chinese massacre in Los
Angeles where there was a mob of500 men that was raided in the
small town of Chinatown in LAand they killed at least 20

(01:15:43):
Chinese Americans and stealingan estimated $1.5 million worth
of property.
And then they say that thegovernment was behind all that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
The same way it was with the Tulsa massacre and
stuff.
It's the same.
They will take anybody's shitthat they want because not to be
funny, it's real the whitepeople's like no, this is all us
, Everything is ours, and if youthink you can come here and do
something, we're going tofucking rob you and burn you and
kill you.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
People don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
That's why I tell people I'm like, look, I know
the racism against black peopleis a lot, but it's against all
people that ain't white.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yeah, it's just minorities in general.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
It'll be against poor trailer park kind of people,
redneck kind of people.
They'll come and take them tooif they want.
They'll be like no, we got allthis.
Yeah, man.
I seen a video the other day, Ithink I shared it with you.
I'm not sure this countryredneck dude was like man.
You know.
What they don't want is for usand the hood guys to come
together.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
They want to keep us separated, and this and that he
was like bro, we're smart enough.
When we team up together, wecan shut anything down we want.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, you're right.
They try to keep us dividedbecause if we're united, they
know they're fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Yep, but a lot of this history that's not taught
in schools, though it makes theCaucasian race look bad.
That's my personal belief ofwhy it's not taught in schools.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, because I don't want that.
Of course they don't want that,but in the same instance it's
not, so to speak, tony and Stephand all these people that did
nothing with it, but you'reright.
It makes their whole race lookbad.
You're right, they reallyconquer and divide everything.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
So, Wade, moving on from history, you got your picks
ready.
Stay with the picks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
baby Getting better and better each week, baby, so
y'all better start following.
I know that one loss we hadlast week was the fucking
Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Two weeks ago we lost man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Come on man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
What was your record last week?
My record last week was 9-1.
The only game that I lost, Itook the Texans over the Titans.
I mean, that's a no-brainer.
Who's going to take the Titansover the Texans?
I don't know, Maybe a Titansfan.
But yeah, I went 9-1 last week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Ward, I thought you took us over Dallas and we
definitely didn't win.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
No, that wasn't on the list.
Hold on the list, hold on.
That was a part of this week'sgames because, let's see, hold
on, hold on.
I don't think I chose that as agame, I didn't.
I took that off my list, hejust left that off.
Yeah, I left that one out, butthat was smart then because we
tricked it up.
Last week I took Tampa Bay overthe Giants, which I was correct.

(01:18:18):
Chiefs over the Panthers, whichI was correct.
Miami over New England, which Iwas correct.
Texans lost to the Titans.
That was my only loss.
I took the Lions over the Colts, minnesota over Chicago, denver
over the Raiders, green Bayover the 49ers, seahawks over
Arizona and the Ravens over theChargers.
So all those hit, except forthat Texans game.
So this week I got an eight legfor you.

(01:18:38):
I'm going to take the Coltsover the Patriots, the Texans
over the Jaguars.
I'm going with them.
Again, I got an eight leg foryou.
I'm going to take the Coltsover the Patriots, the Texans
over the Jaguars.
I'm going with them again.
I got to, they got to win oneVikings over Cardinals, tampa
Bay over Carolina, the Rams overthe Saints In a thriller game.
Today I believe it's at oneo'clock the Eagles will beat the
Ravens today, bills over the49ers.

(01:19:00):
And my last one, another upset,I'm taking the Bengals over the
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Hold on Did the.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Eagles in the race play today.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, one.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Oh, that would be a big game.
Who y'all got for?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
MVP right now, saquon Lamar or somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Well, I'm tired of seeing it go to a quarterback
man, so, hands down, I'd like tosee Barkley, but can't even
count Henry out, because Henry'sright behind him when it comes
to rushing yards.
But Barkley's having ahistorical season, though, for
himself.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
I agree with Wayne.
I'd like to see it go to arunning back and I think Barkley
it's Barkley or Henry yeah,because they've had to win their
thing.
Henry would have to, saquonwould have to win because
Saquon's team only has twolosses.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
The Ravens have five losses already.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
But the problem with Henry is he's got Lamar Jackson
on his team, vice versa.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Lamar's up there for MVP, but I just think Saquon
might get it and he should getit.
But they haven't given it to arunner back much, and the last
time was 2012 with AP.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
I'm going to correct you on that, though.
Chris the Ravens only have fourlosses coming into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Well, that's still twice as many as the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Right.
So they definitely need thiswin, man, but the Eagles are
playing at such a high levelright now and the defense is
starting to play a little bitbetter.
Man, it's going to be a hell ofa game today.
That'll be one of my legs forthe day.
I'm going to definitely takeall those teams on the money
line.
Just a little word of adviceStop taking long parlays.
I just do long parlays becauseit's just something I like to do

(01:20:25):
, but start focusing on two andthree leg parlays, you know, on
players that normally aren'tpart of the script.
You got to start doing yourresearch if you want that payout
.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
All right.
Well, thank you, mr Expert forfootball and parlays.
So everyone.
That wraps up BWO Brothers withOpinions.
We want to thank Zach Harrellfor being on, also everybody
tune in and check us out onFacebook, instagram X or Twitter

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Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
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Make sure you click thatsubscribe button.
All followers, please.
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Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
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Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
So everybody, great episode and we'll see everybody
next week and don't forget outthere.
If you got any comments,anything you want to be talked
about on our platform, just letus know, reach out.
Yes, sir, share your thoughtsin the comment.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Alright, thanks everybody, appreciate it.
Have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You know, communication key.
But then you must comprehend.
Preach B-W-O, Let your voicesbe heard.
We enlightened by the truth andnow we spreading the word.
How do we learn to live when weconditioned to die?
Most people fail before theystart because they don't ever
try.
Man, they told us we wasworthless.
We believed in the lie.
We took it way too literal whenBig said ready to die.

(01:22:25):
You know, the KKK turned thecops in disguise man.
A lot done, changed, but racestill applies 5-0, hands up.
Don't even ask why.
Trayvon, Mike Brown man,another mother's cry.
Hey, BWO, let the con rollagain.
You know communication.
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