From College Professor to Community Leader: BPG's Journey

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was ready, bro.
It's a hindrance.
Silence is cassette, so letyour voices be heard.
Man, we brothers with opinions,now we spreading the word,
bringing light to the darkRevolution is our art man, a lot
of people talk, but they ain'tnever walked apart.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Gotta shine a light on poverty and fight against
injustice and always speak thetruth when the enemy's amongst
us.
What's?
up ladies and gentlemen, I knowy'all hear our man Wooka in the
background, my man Wooka, fromBrooklyn.
He came to Winchester twice forthe Hoops for Hope.
You know he wasn't really readyto do it.
Live in front of that manypeople, man, but shout out to my

(00:55):
man for making our song for usback when we first started the
podcast five years ago and wegot a goodie for y'all tonight.
Man, Every night is a goodiefor y'all.
Tonight, man, Every night is agoodie we got.
But tonight should be veryexciting.
We got Mr BPG.
You know he ran for mayor ofWinchester last year and you
know that community is still notready for certain changes yet.
It is what it is, it's thetruth.

(01:15):
It's a shame but it's the truth.
But we got him on.
He's on the Winchester PublicSchool System Board board and he
is a professor over there atshenandoah university.
So y'all put your handstogether and make a round of
applause for the one and only bb.
Y'all down with bpg.
Yeah, y'all know me yeah, youknow me, here we go there he is,

(01:37):
ladies and gentlemen, the oneand only bbg hey everybody, nice
to meet you.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
What's?
Up what's up?
Happy to be here with y'all.
Hey everybody nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
What's up, what's up?
Happy to be here with y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I'm glad to have you on, man.
I appreciate you joining ourplatform and to give you one as
well.
So we get a whole bunch ofviews and subscribers after this
show Because we got the man ontonight.
We'll see, we'll see.
So, brian, do you want to speaka little bit about yourself?

(02:05):
Tell us a little bit aboutyourself and we'll get started.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, sure, stop me if I'm talking too much, but my
name is Brian Brian PierceGonzalez.
When I came to Winchester, apg.
When I came to Winchester 21years ago at Shenandoah
University, when they hired methere was a lot of Bryans and so
everybody started going bytheir last name, except a friend

(02:30):
of mine started using myinitials and started calling me
BPG and it just stuck.
So that's how.
That's how I got that nicknamebut, no, I didn't really have a
hometown growing up, so I can'ttell you where I'm from
necessarily.
I lived in a lot of places.
My dad was in the Navy, so whenI landed in Winchester,
virginia, in 2005, I had no ideaI would be here for 21 years.

(02:53):
But now I'm still here.
I love this town, I love thiscommunity, I love the people, I
love the neighborhoods, I lovethe passion, I love the identity
that comes with the city ofWinchester and I wanted to get
involved and serve my communityand help make it a thriving
place for everybody.
So that's how I got involved inpublic service.

(03:14):
I'm still teaching atShenandoah University.
We just started our fallsemester so shout out to any of
my students who might bewatching and the school year
just started.
As you guys mentioned, I serveon the Winchester Public School
Board.
I'm honored to do that worklooking out for students,
looking out for teachers andjust trying to make our schools
as best as can be.
You know I'm representing myHanley t-shirt with you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I hope that's enough.
We speak about.
Hanley a lot on the show and wehave a lot of guests.
Of course that went to Hanley,because we both did, of course.
No, that's dope man.
I love your energy, I love whatyou're about.
Man, it doesn't matter whereyou're from, it's where you're
at, you know.
That's right, I mean.
I'll never forget my home,which is why I love Winchester
so much.
But it's.
I'm at right now.

(04:00):
At the end of the day, you guyscan't save me if I need
something in two minutes.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
True, true true, I've got to mention.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You can't show up for me.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Chris gets hyped Brian, as you can see.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
North Lowndes or Kent real quick.
That's right, I love thatyou've adapted and the community
has taken well to you too.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that 've adaptedand the community is taking well
to you too.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, thank you I appreciate that and, honestly,
you know, when I first learnedabout you, chris, because you
were gone by the time I got hereI actually left just before you
moved here.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I left in October 2003.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Okay, so, yeah, so like two years before I got here
.
You left, but you come back,and when I learned who you were
and what you were about, to meyou're one of the best
ambassadors for Winchester City.
It's a place that doesn't leaveyou.
I hope to die here and beburied here one day, but if my
life takes a different path andI do have to leave Winchester

(05:00):
City, it's going to be thatplace.
For me too, it's going to bethe place I take with me.
It's a special place and and Ihope everybody out there
listening that that calls thisplace home.
I hope you really understandhow special Winchester is.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Right, right.
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
No matter where I've gone, there's been times when I
couldn't get back to Winchestertoo often and I felt weird about
it.
But you adapt where you go to.
But there's always a saying andit's true for me like there is
no place like home.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Home is where the heart is For me.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I grew up there as an elementary kid, before even
elementary, pre-kindergarten,all the way through high school,
and then I came back for twoand a half years during my
college years.
So I'm kind of becoming alittle kid all the way to a man,
a young, a young adult.
That's all I know.
So that's so many memories, somuch love, and they showed me

(05:53):
how to become somebody.
So, absolutely, I always got toshow a love, man, but not.
I'm proud of you, man.
Great to have you on, tony, andI've been talking about having
you on for a while, man, andLike a year, hey, man.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm born.
I'm sitting at home most nights.
If y'all need a guest, justcall me up, send me the link,
I'll hop back on.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Funny thing is, we'll talk to you as soon as this
episode's over.
We'll dive in.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
We'll start with you being a college professor.
I got a few questions for that.
You know you do differentthings.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
To be honest, Tony, you didn't know he was a
professor, right.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Hey, I can't even remember.
I just knew he was on theschool board.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Tony knows me from basketball.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, I just coached his son it brings me to
something.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Tony, you don't ask questions, you don't get into
people's personal businesses inthere, but as adults, when Drake
said, no new friends, that'sthe reason, because people just
don't talk and ask thingsanymore yeah, yeah, right, but
you guys got to do more of thatthan just people in general.
It's not being nosy, it's likeyo, I genuinely care.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't know that's how I feel I feel, not being
nosy.
It's like yo, I genuinely care,like what the hell do you think
I don't know that's how I feel.
I feel like being nosy in a way, like certain things.
I don't know, that's just me.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I'm an open book, like I told y'all before you can
ask me.
Whatever, I'll let you know,right, but we'll start.
Like you say, you came toWinchester.
Most important qualities forbeing a college professor.

(07:30):
To you, that's a great questionand and I can only speak to my
experience about I have foundsuccess being a professor, a
college professor, at Shenandoahuniversity, and and what has
worked for me may not work forfor somebody else, but I'll tell
you what has worked for me is,um I I try and I think I'm I'm
very good at connecting with mystudents and and like chris was

(07:53):
just saying, like talking tothem, learning about where
they're coming from, wherethey're trying to go, um,
opening my world up a little bitto them so that they see, um,
you know I have a story myself.
Um, I invite them over to myhouse sometimes not all the time
, uh, and not every class, butsome of my classes.

(08:15):
I bring them over to my houseand I invite my mom over,
because my mom is a hell of acook and she'll come over and
she'll make lunch.
She'll make Mexican food for,for, uh, for my classes.
Um, that's what I try to do asa professor.
Listen, you know, especially in2025, these, these, these young
people, they can, they can hopon the internet and take a class

(08:38):
, right.
You know, what I'm saying theydon't need, uh, they don't.
I don't want to sell myselfshort.
What I'm trying to say is likethey could get knowledge and
they could get an education inmany different ways, but they
can only get me at ShenandoahUniversity, and so I try to give
them me right, I try to teachthem.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's how it should be.
That's dope.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, I try to give them the knowledge, I try to
teach them, I try to engage withthem and I try to show them who
I am and what's important to me, and that has, that has given
me great success.
I love Listen.
I could never do anything else,probably like you guys too,
like I'm not built for being inan office or a cubicle and

(09:20):
sitting at a desk, for you know,all day, every day, and sitting
at a desk, for you know, allday every day it would drive me
crazy.
I tried to do that one summerwhen I was in college and I told
my mom I was like mom, this,this, because it was at her bank
, and I was like I love you, mom, but we cannot.
This is not going to happenagain.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right yeah.
I did that for about five years.
Yeah, like I'm, like I to bemoving around, exactly, I just
can't sit there all day.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Moving around talking to people cracking jokes.
That's me.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
You seem like you're probably really good at also
placing yourself in the shoes ofthose young adults.
Yes, yes, no, you got tounderstand we all come from
different walks of life, life,but you can kind of understand
that you you reflect back tothose times when, like all right
, let me think of how I was whenI was 18, 19, 20 years young.
That's right you know andhonestly I have like that's hard

(10:15):
for me to work on is understand, like, look, how was I when I
was that age and when the peoplethat work with me?
Sometimes that's something Ihave to stand back a little
further away and look at likeall all right, look, don't get
upset or don't feel a certainway this way, they're 20 years
younger, that's right.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
No, I start every semester.
Every time I get a brand newclass.
We spend the first day havingthat talk and I tell them listen
, guys, I got a life outside ofthe four walls of this classroom
.
I've got a wife, I got threekids, I've got my in-laws, I've
got a dog.
I've got my own hobbies and myown passions.
I want y'all to understand that.
I understand that y'all havethat too.

(10:51):
You have a life outside of thisclassroom that I don't know
anything about.
I am not here to complicatethat life.
I'm here because you chose tocome and receive an education.
I'm here to provide thateducation and receive an
education.
I'm here to provide thateducation.
And I always tell them don'tget mad at me If you're having a
bad day.
I get it.
We all have bad days.
I said, but don't bring thathate to me, because I'm just

(11:14):
here doing my job.
Don't bring me that negativeenergy just because I'm here
doing my job, and they respondreally well to that If you
acknowledge that they've gotother stuff going on.
Uh, they appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
so right, right yeah, man, I agree.
So what, what is the mostrewarding thing about being a
college professor?
And you probably already askedpretty much uh there's two
things I'll tell.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'll be honest with you.
One is I don't have.
I have a boss, right Like, likeyou know, the dean of my
college is somebody who I quoteunquote answer to.
And then, of course, you know,tracy Fitzsimmons is the
president of ShenandoahUniversity and if she's got a
problem with what I'm doing, Ihave to answer to her.
Right, right, right.

(12:00):
But really there's nobodylooking over my shoulder to see
what I'm doing and tomicromanage me and to make sure
I'm doing what I'm doing.
I just put my head down and Ido the work and I engage with

(12:21):
the students and and usually I'mpretty successful at it, and so
that, honestly, is one of myfavorite things about being a
professor, one of the biggestpluses to being a professor.
But another is just meetingthese young people who have so
much energy and it keeps youyoung, man.
If you start feeling old, youstart hanging out with a bunch
of young people, and I'mprivileged that I get to do that
almost every day of my life.

(12:42):
Today, two former students whonow are probably 26, 27 years
old.
They were best friends whilethey were studying at Shenandoah
University.
They were students of mine, andlast week they emailed me.
They said hey, we're comingback into town, can we go grab a
cup of coffee?
And I sat there and we satthere talking for probably about
an hour and a half.
And I sat there and we sat theretalking for probably about an

(13:03):
hour and a half and the timeflew by like this we were just
talking about, you know, theirtime when they were students and
then what they're doing now.
One of them has children, oneof them is married.
So we were just talking aboutall that and the time flew by
and at the end of it I was likeman, I wish I could sit here and
talk to you all longer, but Ihad another meeting I had to run

(13:28):
to.
And so that's what I love aboutbeing a professor you get to
have these relationships withvery intelligent young people
who you really, you make thesegenuine connections with them,
and then you know they've beengraduating now five, six years.
They did not have to come backand meet with me, but they chose
to.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And so they have a lot of different professors, but
there's a reason they chose youwell yeah, well, that shows you
made an impact on their life,right?
I wanted to say real quick isthe rewarding part, I would
think probably in anybody.
But for you it speaks foritself, as I guess, seeing the
success of those young students.
But you help shape and moldthem and whichever field you're

(14:05):
dealing with them, and on top ofthat you have more of a
connection because you care.
So it's more than just in theclassroom that they take away
those values and the things thatthey learn from you.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Absolutely, I believe that.
But you know what I mean.
We know.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Like you said, you have a life outside of these
four walls too so why?
But you were able to connectwith that 100.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I believe they see me as a professor, obviously, but
I but I believe they see me nowlike as a friend.
You know, somebody they can sitdown and just have a chat with.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So yeah, like a regular peer that's right,
that's all.
You might have more respect foryou and understand you.
You know, because you're theirelder, they looking at you like,
look, that could be my brotheror you know whatever else,
because you keep it real, likethat, and I think that's
important.
And wherever I work, some otherpeople on my level, as far as
managerial levels some of themfeel a certain way and I think

(15:00):
it's because and I don't needeverybody to love me or like me
I understand You're doingsomething wrong if that's the
case, but in general, mostpeople fuck with me and they
gravitate towards me and theywant to know how I'm doing down
the road and come back and hangout, like you said, have a drink
, because you're able to connectwith people and I think that's
so important.
So I think that's dope that youdo that at Shenandoah and just

(15:22):
for people in general, so I cansee you being very successful,
like you don't need somebody tomicromanage you and that's
annoying in itself, but you alsoyou want to be seen.
But I think your work isspeaking for itself, what you're
doing and impacting for thoseyoung people.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I can appreciate that .

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I see it in you, man, like really, and I'm living the
dream Like they pay me to dothis.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not lost on me that I'mable to put food on a table and
a roof over the head of my kidsbecause of the relationships
that I'm having with thestudents at Shenandoah.
So, yeah, I'm, I'm super, super.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Is it still true to this day that if Jack wanted to,
he could go play at Shenandoahfor free, because you're you're
a teacher there, right, so hecould go for free If they accept
him.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got to have the grades.
I know.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's probably like I'm going bigger than that Dad.
But in general.
That's cool.
They still do that for peoplethat work there, Because I know
you can be a janitor there, butyour kids can still go for free,
that's right, absolutely theperson in the cafeteria you said
2005 was james james davis,still the president there when

(16:28):
you came.
Yeah, yeah, I lived.
I lived with him for ninemonths, did you really?
When I was in fourth grade.
He lived right beside john kerrelementary school, behind
hanley, on the top of jefferson.
I lived there for nine months.
I was.
I was in fourth grade, I waslittle, I was wild.
The mother couldn't.
I was really bad.
So I went from the evans homethere and then I moved back into
the Evans home, but I stayedwith Dr Davis for nine months

(16:50):
and he's the reason I learnedhow to water ski, jet ski.
I've had Christmases that I'venever dreamed of before.
Yeah, from him and his family.
That's amazing man, I had noidea.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
That's Winchester, that's Winchester to me.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You see that connection he has a building
over there now named after himand stuff on the campus.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
But I was there when it was still like a conservatory
.
It was just like music anddrama.
The basketball gym was reallylittle, all kinds of stuff, but
no, that's awesome.
So he helped hire you or wasrunning things when you were
there, right?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
He was running things when I was there.
I things when I was there, Ithink the first two years I was
there.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That means probably around 2007 is when he retired,
and then Tracy took over.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
They hired Tracy.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's still another connection though.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, no, that's amazing.
That's what this community is.
That's great.
I love that story.
I had no idea he's down in RonaSmith Mountain.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Lake.
They moved to Florida for awhile but now he and his wife
are in Smith Mountain Lake.
They moved to Florida for awhile, but now he and his wife
are at Smith Mountain Lakebecause you know he's
health-wise and not doing sowell, and be close to the family
when you're on your end times.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, of course, Of course.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
But yeah, he was super impactful in my life, man,
so that's what I'm saying.
That's awesome to know thatyou're over there impacting
young people's lives too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, hey, if you want to talk to the
coaches to get Christian andJack over there.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Hey, Coach Doyle would be.
He'd be doing backflips withChristian and Jack.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, see, Tony, it's still Coach Doyle.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Christian's already working with the coach, has he?
Yeah, the assistant coach.
I can't remember his name rightnow, but hey, my dad was an
alum at SU.
He graduated from SU.
Oh dang, I can't remember hisname right now.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
But hey, my dad was an alum at SU.
He graduated from SU.
Oh dang, I didn't know that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh, that was early 90s.
Yeah, they weren't at SU yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they werejust.
Yeah, they were real small,just the main floor.
Oh yeah, nothing like it is now.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Dude, I've been there for 21 years and it's like
double the size when I got there, oh my God, it's double, triple
, the size they boughteverything except for the Civics
.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
No, they don't own that.
That's technically the cityparks.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, it's Russ Potts , it's the.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Russ Potts Civics yeah.
Yeah, yeah, did you see, chris,they just replaced the back
doors.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I saw some of it when we were little.
We played there every day, allday, and until you were really
good you couldn't play on themiddle court Like it used to be,
like our rucker.
Right, and that's why it wasawesome to do an event I did a
few years ago and had everybodycome back man.
But yeah, shenandoah, like theywent across the highway and
everything.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Back in the day I'm telling you, it was four and
five buildings, a couple dormsand that was it.
Wow, yeah, that was it.
That was it.
So shifting gears kind of we'llspeak on the school board, okay
, being on, you know thewinchester school board so I
might be talking too much fellasoh, you're good, chris.
Hey, that's just what you do,man.
You're excited.
Yeah, man, we always love herand we always love your energy
it gets you sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
You got to give what you want.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
BPG.
We'll call you that.
What do you believe our schoolsshould be accomplishing, or
what are your three overalleducational priorities?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Wow, those are great questions.
What should our schools beaccomplishing?
That's not a hard question toanswer.
We need to be teaching thestudents.
The students need to belearning.
We just Did a review, so Mondaywas the last school board
meeting.
So three nights ago, fournights ago, whatever, that was
who's?
The superintendent now JasonVan Heukelem.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't know if you know Jason.
No, I don't.
I was just curious what theirname were.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
So we just reviewed all the standardized test score
data and we can talk aboutstandardized tests and how awful
they are.
But man, we are looking good.
We have what we call ascorecard.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So it shows how we stack up against the state of
Virginia.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
And then it shows how we stack up against similar
school districts likeHarrisonburg City, roanoke City,
charlottesville, lynchburg,manassas, manassas Park and
there's one or two more in there.
They can't compete withWinchester.
No man.
We're blowing most of theseschool districts out of the
water with with what ourstudents are able to do they
need so.
To answer your question, tony,they need to be learning and I'm
super proud.
I guess one of the most proudthings that gives me the most
pride about Winchester PublicSchools is what we're doing over
there at the Innovation Center.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
I was going to say that.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
It's amazing, man.
Every time I go into thatbuilding and I see these
students like me right, I don'thave somebody peeking over my
shoulder and micromanaging me.
You have students in thehallways, in groups, in the cafe
, out on the balcony, and theyare in these small groups.
They're working and they'relearning on their own time, at

(21:49):
their own pace.
You know they're given theseprojects and they are supposed
to figure out how to completethese projects with each other
and it's the coolest thing I'veever seen.
And they're makingdocumentaries about the
Innovation Center.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, because something's coming out.
Yeah, a documentary.
Yeah, I wish I had.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
It's maybe September 30th Don't quote me on that date
but they're going to screen itover at Hanley in the Patsy
Cline Theater and it's free,open to the community, to come
check out the documentary.
I mean, the word is out every,you know, probably every week
they are hosting groups overthere who have heard about what
we're trying to do in theInnovation Center and they come

(22:31):
from all over the country tovisit little old Winchester,
Virginia, and to see what HanleyHigh School is doing up on the
hill in that Innovation Center.
So yeah, I'm super proud aboutthat.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
And I'm glad you broke, because that was the
first thing I was waiting foryou to say because it is amazing
, because we got kids who gothere.
And when Quincy started as afreshman, because when did
Innovation Center come?
It was around like five, sixyears ago, something like that,
probably five, yeah.
So he's coming home like I'mdoing welding and this and that,

(23:03):
like it's amazing becausethey're learning trades.
I mean nursing firefighter,they're learning these things.
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
They're learning these things, firefighter.
It's amazing they're learningthese things and we have
partnerships with um.
You know, sometimes it'sbusinesses, sometimes it's, you
know, with the fire departmentor or what have you.
And uh, so when they completecourses at the innovation center
, many times they're getting acredential, they're getting a
certificate or something, sothat when they graduate in 12th
grade, not everybody's meant togo to college, you know some of

(23:34):
these students.
They graduate in 12th grade andthen they've got the certificate
, they've got this credentialand they can start working
immediately and providing forthemselves.
We had a young man I can'tremember if it was last year or
the year before and his storywas you know, academics.
He just didn't, that wasn't histhing to sit in a room to read

(23:54):
a book and learn and take testsand all that kind of stuff.
And a lot of people kind ofwrote him off like, well, this
kid just doesn't have it, hejust doesn't want to be here, he
hates school, he's atroublemaker.
Right Well once he startedtaking the firefighting class,
the EMT class, he did a complete180 and he started caring and

(24:16):
it mattered to him and hestarted excelling.
I think he was the best studentwe had in that firefighter
class that year.
And the school board went for avisit and they brought him out
you know what I mean to talk tous and to tell us what it meant
to be taking this class.
And if you think about that,when officials usually go into

(24:38):
schools, they usually bring outthe A plus students to come talk
to.
Right, this was a kid who wasstruggling, who didn't have a
passion about anything that wasgoing on inside the building
until he took this firefighterclass.
And, man, I tell you, that'swhat I'm most proud of.
We are not just, um, uh, meetingthe needs of our students who

(24:59):
are going to go to college.
Cause we meet those needs.
We, y'all know this.
We're sending students toHarvard, we are sending students
to Yale, we are sendingstudents to Penn, we are sending
students to UVA, to Duke, um,to, to.
We are sending students toShenandoah.
If, if, if you want to go tocollege, hanley is going to take
real good care of you andthey're going to get you there,

(25:20):
but if you don't want to go tocollege, we're also going to
going to take care of thosestudents and that that, to me is
, is super important, andwhenever my time on the board is
up, I hope whoever comes behindme and continues this work, I
hope they really keep that.
You know, focus, because that'ssomething that I'm scared If

(25:40):
you don't water it every day, ifyou don't nurture it and take
care of that piece of it, youcould lose it really easily,
Because a lot of people justthink oh, you're in high school,
what college are you going to?
No, it's not about that.
Maybe they want to enlist inthe military.
We're taking care of those kidstoo.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, like I said, I can't say enough about it either
Because, like you say, collegeis not for everybody.
I mean, I've known plenty ofintelligent, intellectual people
, which is they can't sit in theclass, they hate it.
It's great because everybodyforgets about trades and we're
always going to need that, andthey can make money oh,
absolutely Big money.
One of my best friends in thewhole world.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
he actually dropped out of school when we were in
high school.
He eventually got his GED manyyears later, but he became a
plumber.
His dad was a plumber, so hestarted apprenticing under his
father and became like thisawesome plumber.
Even to this day, if somethinggoes wrong in my house with the
plumbing, I'm on the phone withmy brother from back in high
school.
I'm like hey man, this iswhat's going on and he walks me

(26:41):
through it.
And this dude makes a lot ofmoney, right.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Now he owns the company.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
So he's making bank and I'm super proud of him.
And there's more than onepathway in life right Look at
the three of us.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
We do very different things in different places.
There's more than one way tolive this life.
Yeah, and I'm one of the mostsuccessful people in life did
not finish high school.
Oh yeah, very, very true, and Iwanted to ask you two things,
because you know me and tonyalways talk about questions we
have for you and things.
But I'm glad that you're on asfar as this aspect too, because
on the public school systemboard, I want to know how you
feel about the generalcurriculum and do you guys ever

(27:21):
discuss the truth that we wereall lied to and should?
Should there be any kind of waythat you guys are trying to
change certain aspects of howkids are taught when we're not
told the whole truths ofeverything, especially like, I
guess, history?
okay, yeah, I was gonna say yeah, like what we're not told a lot
about a lot, especially ifyou're not white.

(27:44):
Yeah, like real well, not out,you know, not hating, I'm half
white, I don't care about any ofthat.
The truth is the truth.
We're not told so much of thetruths in school and now that we
were allowed, our teachers wereallowed to like.
I can't blame our parents orteachers if they were allowed to
too, but now that we're, weknow everything.
We have so much information.
Like you're saying, socialmedia technology has changed.
How do you guys, do you guysever discuss any of that?

Speaker 4 (28:06):
oh, absolutely, we just um.
So.
So hanley, like in the lastfive years, has sponsored a
black student union Right andhas developed a curriculum for
an African-American historyclass.
So the history department nowteaches a course on
African-American history.

(28:27):
They also teach a course onLatin American history which was
not being taught before.
But yeah, we do talk about thatand we do talk about how
diverse Winchester City is.
There was a stat that was givento us years ago, but I think
it's still true.
In the Commonwealth of Virginiawe're the fourth most diverse

(28:47):
school district.
I think number one is VirginiaBeach.
It's like Virginia Beach orRichmond, they're one and two,
and then it's Fairfax and thenit's little old.
Winchester City is number fourin terms of diversity of their
students, and so, yes, we needto be teaching, you know, black
kids, black history and Latinkids to learn the other truths
of those others too.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
When it comes to this country.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't want to get into everything, but I'm
definitely pro-Palestine, I'mpro-humanity.
It irks me and hurts my soulwhat's happening, but I think
nobody's told the truth, sopeople don't know.
We're molded in ways we've beentaught and trained, but most of
it was lies.
They don't teach us half thetruths and the truth is this

(29:38):
whole country was formed off ofgenocide.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Chris, you sound a lot like me because I happen to
be mixed as well.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
We're not told man.
It hurts my feelings and mysoul that nobody wants to really
speak about it.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Right.
Speaking for myself personally,being of mixed culture, mixed
race, mixed language, I speakabout this stuff very bluntly
because I'm both things.
So I'm not critiquing anybody,I'm not hating on anybody, I'm
all of that.
So I agree with you 100%, Iguess.
To answer your question, let metell you a story.

(30:12):
This was probably three yearsago, so about a year, two years
before I ran for mayor.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I love the way I do.
Ladies and gentlemen, thisyoung man ran for mayor.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
So a couple of years ago the superintendent calls me
and he says, hey, are you busyright now?
And I said, no, I'm free.
I think it was over the summer.
No, it wasn't over the summer,it was during the school year.
And I said, no, I'm free,what's up?
He says, if you can make itdown to um, to the Douglas
school, which is where we haveour central office, he said I
got some, some leaders, uh, fromthe NAACP here, um, and, and

(30:48):
they want, they'd like to bringup an issue.
So I went down there as quicklyas I could and I met with Dr
Coates and Miss Gwen, sheriffSales' mother, and at that point
they were serving in the NAACPin some leadership capacity.

(31:09):
And so I sat down in the officeand we started talking and they
told me a story about how, inone of the English classes that
was about literature, a blackstudent, an African-American
student, noticed that in thelist of the authors that they
were reading it was all deadwhite men.
And this student broughtbrought the question to the

(31:33):
teacher in the classroom andsaid why is this?
All white people Like?
I don't see any black people.
Why aren't we reading?
You know, toni Morrison, whyaren't we reading?
You know, rudolfo, Anaya,there's all these other stories
and authors that we could bereading.
And the teacher felt I guess Idon't want to put words into

(31:55):
this teacher's mouth or anything.
But the teacher kind of backeddown a little bit and said I'm
just too like, that's not mycultural experience, so I'm
scared to teach.
It essentially was the answer.
And these two elders in theBlack community, they were not
happy with this and I was nothappy with this and I was not
happy with this.
When they told me this story, Iwas like my God, it's 2023 or

(32:18):
whatever it was.
Back then I said we have got toget to a place where we can
teach these stories.
We have got to get to a placewhere we can have these
conversations and we can teachthese stories To your point,
chris, teach black stories tonon-black kids and teach Latin
stories to non-Latin kids andall the way around.
And I said I told them.

(32:38):
I said it seems to me that thisteacher missed a huge learning
opportunity, a huge opportunityto teach right here, because you
don't even have to change whatyou're doing If you're that
teacher and a black studentcomes to you and says change
what you're doing.
If you're that teacher and ablack student comes to you and
says I don't see any blackauthors on this list, you could

(33:01):
have a classroom discussionabout why that might be right
and and people, you have to bedelicate with it.
You have to be delicate with it.
But that's what we need to bedoing as teachers, right,
opening our hearts up, openingopening our ourselves up to our
students and saying listen, Imade a mistake and this is the
reading list that I created.
Now, who can tell me what'smissing from this reading list?
And you would get buy-in fromstudents.

(33:23):
I think like that, if you werethat real with them inside of
the classroom, if you taughtthem the stuff to your point,
chris, that people are notteaching them.
If you take a moment and justacknowledge that and be like yep
, I messed up.
Listen, I didn't include anynon-white people on this list.
What does that say about thestate of you know literature?

(33:43):
What does that say aboutpublishing houses, for example?
Because you can, you can sayit's, it's a, it's a corporate
thing.
If, if the publishing housesaren't publishing and marketing
these stories, I didn't knowabout them, for example, this
teacher might say I didn't knowabout them.
And have a real goodconversation about that.
I think the students would haveleft that classroom with mad

(34:04):
respect for that teacher forgoing there and for being
vulnerable for going there andadmitting.
Yeah, there's some gaps on thisreading list that we need to
address, but sometimes teachersare so scared, they're scared of
the parents.
Oh my God, I better say theright thing.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
That's what I was going to get at them being and
plus, they're just you guys, notsaying you, but most of them
are just following what they'regiven right, a certain
curriculum, and they just stickto it.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Well, and that's the problem with the standardized
testing right, we know what'sgoing to show up on the test.
And then you get teachers whoteach to the test, and we know
that that is not good.
It's not good for the teachers,it's not good for the students,
it's not good for learning.
I don't know why we do it.
One day you know hopefully Isaid this at the school board
meeting the other, the other dayshow me they created show.
Right, I said show me the schoolboard meeting the other day.
It's the system they created.
Right, I said show me thepolitical candidate running for

(34:55):
governor.
Show me the candidate runningfor governor that stands up and
says we need to do away withstandardized testing in our high
schools in the state ofVirginia.
Boom, you got my vote, becausewe all know it's not working,
but nobody's doing anythingabout it.
Most, testing.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Besides, math is like memory Exactly yeah, just
memorizing.
So how are you going to saysome kids are great, like I have
an actual great memory, but Ijust didn't like the SAT because
I was better in English thanmath but I did better on math
than English in the SAT becauseit was like what is a computer

(35:32):
and I'm like what I was likethat is nothing about.
I can read it, I can understandwhat the words are, but I'm
like they confuse me.
Those tests are weird, yeahyeah.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
And it's so funny because, just like you said,
memory is one thing, learning issomething entirely different.
So I teach college.
Sometimes I get students comingin my college classroom and
they're with me for a couple ofweeks.
They're with me for a couple ofmonths and then they come up to
me and they complain, right,because I tell you if you've got
to complain, if you've got tocomplain, let me know, so

(36:02):
they'll come up to me.
Dr PG, I don't, I don't, I don'tlike this class, the way that
you're teaching.
We're not taking tests, you'renot making us remember anything.
All we're doing is talking inclass.
And so I go, somebody hasreally brainwashed you to
believe that learning is passinga test.
No, learning, especially thematerial that I teach, because

(36:27):
I'm not a math professor, I'mnot a science professor.
We do stories, I teach themabout culture and stuff.
And I said what we're doing inclass is exactly what I want you
to be doing and learning how todo, which is look at this issue
and look at it from thisperspective, but also's what we
do in class.
And then the student stops andthinks it's like oh okay, I see
what you're doing.
I said that's going to staywith you for the rest of your

(36:57):
life the ability to look at anissue from multiple perspectives
.
That's going to do real wellfor you in life.
If I just gave you a test onthe names of books and the names
of authors, and when an authordied and when a book came out,
what are you going to do withthat 20 years from now?
Right, but if I can get you to,think I thought the same thing
in school.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Exactly.
That's why you can cheat offother people when you're like on
your way to class what you got,all right, Let me remember, at
least in our day, you just needto remember to pass the test,
but you didn't learn one thing.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's right when.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I read books in school that I didn't care about.
I read all the words, but mymind was somewhere else.
Yep.
And that's why, when theyallowed us to go to the library
and find a book we wanted to door this, and that it intrigued
me, because now it was somethingI was interested in, that's
right.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
That's what I was going to say.
It's like people you got tofind what.
And BPG, you said this earlierit's like you got to find what
people.
You're interested in these kids, because a lot of kids, and
that's what's so great about theintervention center.
You know having that, so that'sthe.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Thing.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's like if you're interested, then you're going to
lock into it.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Tony, it's an even bigger picture, which is why I
ain't going to lie.
We could go for days.
Most kids should not be lockedup in a classroom.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Their mind isn't doing anything but seeing what's
on those walls.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
We're going to get deep now but.
I'm curious.
They should be trying to figureout what they really want and
what they like and what they'reinterested in.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
So one of our elementary schools, Chris.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Because he had nothing about that.
But once he got the opportunityhe grasped onto it and really
took it.
That's right.
When you're stuck in aclassroom and everybody's
learning the exact same thing orbeing taught the same thing,
that means we're all supposed tobe the same.
That's the brainwashing of it.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
And unfortunately you're mandated by the federal
Department of Education manytimes, or the state level
department of education intookay, it's fourth grade, so you
got to teach this.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's eighth grade, you got to teach this.
It's 10th grade, you got toteach this.
And so at the K-12-.
If you don't know that by now,you're considered dumb.
That's right.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
That's right and that's the system that needs to
change.
Because once you get to college, you get professors like me and
I go no, we're not going to dotests, we're going to talk and I
might give you a reflectionwriting assignment.
I'm not grading you on yourwriting, I don't care if it's a
run-on sentence, I'm grading youon your ideas.
And some students they've beenbrought up in that system where
it's like test, test, test, test.

(39:25):
I got to get an A, I got to get100% on the test, and then they
come to my class and like dr pg, I don't, I don't know if I
like this, because I don't.
I need to be taking a test.
I need you to tell me that I'mlearning and I'm like.
I'm like, no, you need toswitch it right.
I shouldn't tell you thatyou're you're learning.
You should show me that you'relearning.
And some students it takes thema little bit to understand that

(39:47):
because they've been in thatsystem for so long and it's
brainwashed them to believe thatthat's what learning is and
that's not what learning is.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
In my opinion, and I also think in high- school going
back to winchester tony for you, because your son's a senior
and you have a kid.
That's in what third grade now?
If they were taught that nomatter what their color, race,
religion and stuff is right,they were taught the truth at a
young age instead of beingbrainwashed or just told what

(40:15):
the victors want to tell, Ithink that there would be way
less racism.
They'd be better understandingfor each other.
100%.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I totally agree.
We'll bring up Clarence Smith.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
We need people like PPG that might be able to make
those differences one day.
I would talk to Carl about ittoo.
Anybody up Clarence Smith.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
We need people like BPG that might be able to make
those differences one day.
I'm not talking Carl Bala oranybody.
Remember Clarence Smith wasteaching a black history class.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I was going to tell BB to try to steal him away from
Sharando, because he's a Hanleykid anyway, carl who?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Clarence Smith.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
No, we got Clarence.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
He's at WPS yeah he's at Daniel Morgan now, correct I
?

Speaker 4 (40:52):
think so.
Yeah, I just saw him last week.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
He is, he's going to be a great professor, teacher
for those students, nice oh 100%.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
No, I'm a big.
Clarence fan.
He'll keep it real.
Yep, I'm a big Clarence fan.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
And that just leads to like our.
So you know we were talkingabout curriculum.
Or like teachers pressured, Iguess, to teach certain
curriculum.
Or did like clary, you know hedid his own thing, basically
like a black history class tofollow us, and yeah, that's what
I'm getting at like did he havethe freedom, or do teachers
have the freedom?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
you know, like you say yeah, to a degree.
They have to meet certainbenchmarks and they have to make
sure you know you got toprepare these students for those
stupid SOL tests.
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I will put up the teachers that we have in
Winchester public schoolsagainst any division in the
country.
We just celebrated the Virginiateacher of the year is at
Hanley high school.
The Teacher of the Year in theentire state of Virginia got to
go to the White House meet thepresident and the first lady.
This was under the previousadministration.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
That was an awful experience.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I was like I would have passed on that.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Well, that was under the previous administration.
But I mean again, our teachersare doing a hell of a job.
Yes, in some ways their handsare tied by.
We've got to make sure we're onschedule, we've got to make
sure we're.
You know, we're hitting thesebenchmarks because that's what
the state mandates, or that'swhat the federal government

(42:26):
mandates, but they are creativeand they're teaching.
The approach that they bring toteaching is super Like.
They bring their passion, theybring their creativity, they
bring their expertise, and sothey have to do certain things.
But within those restrictions,within those limitations,

(42:46):
they're killing it.
Man, I love our teachers.
You know, there's always aknucklehead in every group,
right, don't get me wrong, butour teachers are amazing.
Oh, a knucklehead in everygroup.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Right, don't get me wrong, but our teachers are
amazing.
Oh, I agree, there's a lot ofgreat teachers at the school.
I mean, even when me and chriswent to head, there was the
great teachers there back in youknow the 1960s when we went.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But I'm with you and speaking of those times.
Well, but I think you havediversity.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You got a lot to deal with now.
Bpg yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
The teachers are even diverse.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Tony, we didn't have teachers that look like some of
the teachers and helpers atschools.
Now, I'm just being honest,it's different and I'm sure they
have to talk about that kind ofstuff.
Oh yeah, because we had womenthat were just.
Most of them were very oldwomen and never thought nothing
about it.
We thought did you make somegrandma cookies for us today?
We was hoping like it's notlike that all the time.

(43:38):
Now life's changed a lot, man.
So Jack and Christian, look atcertain teachers, and they're
like I don't remember anyonethere.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
They don't tell me if they do they probably don't
tell you.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well, they ain't going to tell Dad, they're
Christmas.
But, maybe there were back then, but you guys might have had
some weird fetishes or something, but I was like there were no
good looking women when I was akid.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
It was all old.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
But, nowadays, I guess because life has just
changed, some of the people thatgraduate are already teachers.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's what I'm getting at.
We're so old, Chris.
Even Clarence is a younglooking person.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
You know what I mean.
Bpg you don't look old.
Certain students are probablylike oh, I'm not trying to
switch subjects.
I'm keeping it real In allaspects.
If he's on the school boardsand stuff, they have to talk
about everything.
Oh yeah, oh, of course, studentbehavior, everything, teacher
behavior, all of it.

(44:35):
The curriculum was the biggestthing for me, because I just
wish people would teach thetruth and now that we're old
enough and know enough knowledgethat we're not told half the
truth.
So that's why I wanted to geton that and I appreciate you
elaborating on how you feelabout it.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Well, 100 percent.
But, to your point, though, youhave a group of parents, and
and I don't want to pick onparents at all have a group of
parents, and and I don't want topick on parents at all but but
you have the adults in the livesof these children who, um,
sometimes, when teachers try toteach the truth, to your point,
chris, the adult comes in theroom and sees a student reading

(45:08):
a certain book or having acertain conversation with
another student, and thenthey're like whoa, whoa, whoa,
why are you talking about that?
And then it becomes this bigpolitical issue, like we got to
get book certain books out ofthe library because I don't want
my kid learning that stuff atpublic school.
And then it blows up, and thenthere's a lot of pressure from
the community, and then or theor divides the community, and

(45:33):
you got other people over heresaying, no, they don't, that's
not my kid, because that's nothow I raised people at home that
were already allowed to theirwhole life.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
So they don't know any better either.
Yeah, I'm not blaming them andsaying that, even if they are,
I'm saying they don't knowbetter.
That's what they were told andtaught.
So they don't want their kidslearning about no damn huey,
lewis, and and and, no mal X.
They don't want them learning.
They'll be like who is that?
And the same thing, certainblack people or Hispanics don't
want people learning about someof the Thomas Jefferson.

(46:02):
They're like nope, slave owner,you know.
But if you're not taught thetruth, how can you really know?
And that's what I hope you guyscan hopefully change, at least
in the Winchester school system.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah, I think we're trying.
We're definitely having thoseconversations.
You asked if we were talkingabout that stuff.
We do talk about it.
We're not in the classrooms,obviously.
We're at central office and sowe're way up here.
The teachers are down herebecause they're actually in the
classrooms with the students.
They're the boots on the ground, if you will, but no, I'm happy
with what we're doing.
Listen, I tell people all thetime with what we're doing.
Listen, I tell people all thetime education is a weird thing.

(46:36):
Right, because everybody wentthrough school, at least some
school and so as they becomeadults, in their mind they're
like this is how school works.
Right, Because I went to school.
I know how school works.
And then I have to talk to themand be like you don't
understand.
We don't order our food frommcdonald's in 2025 the same way

(46:59):
we did in the year 2000, right?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
there was a 99 cent menu back then, right 99 cent
menu.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
But you know, we don't.
We don't get our, we don't pumpour gasoline the same way that
we do in 2025 as we did 20, 30years ago.
We don't I don't know pickanything right.
We don't watch tv everything ischanged except for the
education and the politics right, we don't watch tv now the same
way we watched tv 20 years ago,but people have it stuck in
their minds like well, educationwas this way when I was in

(47:30):
school, so it needs to stay thisway, and I have to have that
conversation.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
That's a dope ass way to look at it yes, everything I
didn't even think about it likethat, to break it down like
that.
That's Tony, you don't agree?
Like for real.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
No, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
We did grow up because we didn't have the cell
phones, we didn't have theinternet, like so much things.
We just lived a different way.
But now you're still teachingeducation the same way, when it
was already wrong back then.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Why can't we change it?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Yeah, so that's the conversation you have to have
with people out in the communitythe adults is what I'm
referring to, because they wantyou to do it the way that they,
you know, dealt with it back inthe day.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Right.
So the thing is basicallyadapting.
Yeah, right, it is.
We have to adapt with the timesand nobody wants to you got
these all?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I guess you can say old heads, whatever.
That's how we were taughtEverything except for education
and politics.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I don't want us to know the truth.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's right.
Listen, I ran for mayor lastyear and one of the biggest
conversations I had with peoplepeople who had lived in
Winchester for a while say 10,15, 20, 25 plus years they all
wanted to talk about the growthand how awful it was and how I'm
running for mayor, right.
So they would ask how are yougoing to stop the growth?

(48:51):
And I would say two things.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
You can't build a wall around Winchester with a
gate and just let it.
They're all trump supporterstalking like that yeah, they're
like.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
They're like you want to you.
You know you can't let thesepeople in and I said you know
people come here because this isa great place.
We should be proud that this isa great place.
It's bringing people here,right?
But I lost my train of thought.
The growth was the damn dog.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Tony had A dog, threw me for a loop.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Somebody must be home , but the city is that's my
point when you came here.
So I would ask them well, whendid you move here?
Or when did your family movehere?
Oh, we moved here when I was 15.
My parents moved here when Iwas 15.
So I've lived here all my lifeand I say, well, guess what,
when your family moved here whenyou were 15, go 20, 30, 40

(49:46):
years before that Winchester hadgrown from that point to when
your family got there, right?
So now it's 2025 and we'restill growing.
We should be proud of this.
We should be happy like I getit.
We don't want more traffic, wedon't want more congestion.
I get all of that.
But just to be mad like peopleare so scared to change without

(50:07):
realizing they've already livedthrough it, right?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say my age, but I'm old
enough to remember when down,because I lived on the north
side.
Okay, well, I grew up by thebowling now and I remember
coming.
I'm not going to say my age,but I'm old enough to remember
when down, because I lived onthe north side.
Okay, I grew up by the bowl andout.
I remember coming into town.
It said town of Winchester andthe population was like under
8,000 people.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Oh wow, so it wasn't 8,000.
Dude, I'm sitting.
Like it wasn't that much likeback then.
It was like 28,000 or something.
I'm sick.
Like it wasn't that much likeback then.
It was like 28,000 or something, but yeah, it's still very
little.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
But Tony hey, shout out to the north side.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
If I get to retire in Winchester.
I told Melissa already I waslike there's something special
about the north side.
Every time I go into thatcommunity, every time I talk to
those neighbors that live overthere, there's a real pride and
a real sense of like that's.
Those are the neighborhoodsthat I kind of grew up in.
So, I'm telling her, if weretire in Winchester and I hope
that we do I want to get a spotover on the North side Cause

(51:04):
those are my people.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, real neighborhood that still has some
culture.
Yes, it's changed a lot fromwhen I lived down there, but I'm
still glad certain people arestill there.
It's the only community that'sreally got the real culture.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I love it.
They're tight-knit, everybodyknows everybody.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
They look out for each other man.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I can totally agree with that.
My heart's still on the northside, even though I'm on the
south side now.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I guess technically yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I live more in the middle.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I didn't even know.
When we moved here, I was justlike I just need a house.
My father-in-law lives with usand he has some trouble getting
around, so I just need a housewith wide hallways.
So we found this house and webought it.
And then, you know, you livehere for a couple years.
I'm like, oh damn, the northside is pretty dope.
I wish we had lived over there.
I wish there was a house overthere that fit our needs.

(51:57):
But, like I said, maybe I'llget to retire over there.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Oh, there you go.
Well, speaking of you runningfor mayor, you went right into
it.
What were your goals and thingswhen you were running for mayor
?
If you could speak on that, orstill is, because you might run
again, who knows?

Speaker 4 (52:15):
We'll see, see, yeah listen, I'm out, I'm out in the
streets every day.
I'm waving to people, people.
People see me, they know me,they know that I love this town.
I'm at the basketball games,I'm at the football games, I'm
at daniel morgan events, I go tothe plays, I go to the concerts
, I'm at shenandoah, you know.
So what I wanted to be forWinchester was that, ambassador.

(52:37):
I wanted to be that person thatyou could see walking around
town.
I didn't want to be some mayorthat, like you, got to schedule
an appointment to come talk tome.
I wanted to be walking throughOld Town or walking through the
North End or, you know, out atthe civics or something like
that, just watching, watchingpeople play ball and I watching
people play ball.
And I wanted to be accessibleand I wanted to be approachable.

(52:58):
I wanted to be young.
Right, I'm 47 right now.
Had I won, uh, last?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
year younger than us?

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I don't know, my hair just hasn't gone great yet
tony's old.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
he was born in v days , but See here he goes.
No, I wanted to be that mayoryou know I'm not going to lie,
because if Christian and Jackand all them on there, they'd be
like oh, he's glazing them.
Yes, whatever that means, donutfaces.
That's how it should be.

(53:32):
Man, most people aren't likethat.
Dude, you need to want to bewith the people in the community
.
Like why would you need toschedule an appointment with me?
Like Winchester ain't that big?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Oh, we can't fit a million until next year, exactly
Right down the street.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I don't care if I'm on Kent Street or I'm on 2nd
Avenue over there behind Walmart.
It takes 10, 15 minutes to walkLike oh, Walmart it takes 10,
15 minutes to walk.
So that's great that you're forthe people.
Man and Winchester, y'all needto understand.
Look, I've known some of themayors, known of some of them.
Times change, man, the same waywe need the education board to
change.
You guys need to understand itdoesn't always have to be a new

(54:08):
person that's not white, but itneeds to be somebody that's for
all people and not just whitepeople.
Man, and that that's real andit and my young white people
know that.
Yeah, because you don't agreewith it.
Wow, we got to make a changeand y'all got to help step up
and make a change.
Man and bpg could be thefucking best fucking mayor.
Winchester scene, probablysince anybody's been alive, that
is alive.
Man and y'all just need tothink more and think outside the

(54:31):
box.
Man, I'll, bpg, I hope you runfor mayor again.
I appreciate that man.
I know I get excited, I gethyped.
Tony's used to it, he's themediator and kind of quiet.
But that's me, man.
You have guests for a reasonand I think it's good to have
you on.
You're a person for the people.
You're my kind of guy, you're apeople person, but you
genuinely care, and I can tellthat man so.

(54:52):
I wish you the best and I hopeWinchester wakes up and
understands look, it's time forchange well, I'm, listen, I
haven't.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
I haven't made this public yet, so so I'll.
And I'm not here to make a hugeannouncement or anything, but I
do get asked every once in awhile by people when they see me
on the street hey man, you'regonna run again, you're gonna
run again.
Here's what I'm up against.
My kids, my two youngest kidsare, uh, sophomore and freshman
right now, and you know, I onlyget one shot with them.

(55:19):
I only get one shot at havingthem living in my home.
I only get one shot at being adad and going all their stuff.
So that's what I'm wrestlingwith right now.
Do I want to run a wholecampaign?
Because that campaign took awhole year of my life?
right and if I run again in 2028, you know, jack will be
graduating, sophie will be goinginto her senior year, and so
I'm like I don't know if I wantto, if I want to put a whole

(55:42):
year of my life, you know.
So that's what I'm up against.
It's not for fear of running.
In fact, I tell everybody thatasked me I loved running.
Man, like I can talk to peopleand I'm an honest to a fault
Sometimes it gets me in troublehow honest I am.
Likewise I can't lie to you.
I can't lie to you.
So if you ask me a question,even though I know what answer

(56:03):
you want me to say, I'm notgoing to give you that answer?
So I love running for mayor, Ilove meeting people, I love
speaking to differentcommunities.
Meeting people.
I love speaking to differentcommunities.
I love my time on the northside and people would invite me
to their houses and they wouldhave their friends come over and

(56:24):
I would talk to the communityand I would visit with I don't
know kids at the DiscoveryMuseum.
There was all kinds of eventsthat I got to do last year and I
loved every single minute of itand I would do it again in a
heartbeat.
I just have to figure out if Iwant to do that during the last
years that I got my kids with meright, that's commendable man.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
No lie like and I can relate to that because I got a
senior.
This should be there for themman tony and I.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We all grew up different ways, neither here nor
there, but I understand thatall the way I appreciate that
things work out how they'resupposed to, but right now.
I'm sure Jack and themappreciate that 100%.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I mean, the good thing about it is, even though
we're busy dads, I look at it aswell as they look up to it,
because we're doing stuff.
I want to lead by example, be agreat person, help the
community at the same time.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but I get it Like you say.
I got a senior too, and it'slike well, do I want to continue

(57:18):
coaching or do I miss his games?
And blah, blah, blah, yeah, soI'm right with you.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Still, man.
You got two or three more yearsto work and then Christian's
taking care of you and Nicky.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
If you don't speak it into existence.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It won't happen, man.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Speak it into existence.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Look at that kid that went to Shenandoah who's now
playing ball at JMU.
Man, you can do things.
You just got to believe inyourself and work hard.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
I agree.
I've been saying it.
Speak it into existence.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
He's got the tools.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
He just got to go get it and he's got to believe in
himself more than any of us canbelieve in him.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Right to believe in himself more than any of us can
believe in him.
He's a great kid, though.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
So is your boy.
Oh, I appreciate that.
Jack's a good kid, Even thoughhe gives me a hard time
sometimes.
You know a little bit.
He's a great kid.
So, like you just mentioned,we're running short on time.
Anything in closing, and I didwant to mention that event.

(58:16):
I did look it up for the oh,the screening of that film yeah,
it is I believe is it September30th?
it is September.
The world premiere is September18th at 7pm.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Okay, well, I have on my calendar September 30th,
that's when they're playing itat Hanley at the Patsy Cline
Theater.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Gotcha okay.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
At 6pm.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
So the documentary will just be available.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
So maybe it drops on the 18th, but we're not showing
it over there until the 30th.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Right.
So you're saying they're goingto show it at haley.
Yeah, people will be able towatch, so wanted to mention that
.
But hey, bbg, if you gotanything else you want to, you
know, any advice for yourstudents out, young kids, the
community, get involved, man getinvolved like a community,
doesn't just happen.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Uh, and that's that's what I love about.
Listen, I, I grew up some of mytime in Northern Virginia and
there's no identity to that.
It's all this suburb, thatsuburb, this suburb.
There's no identity to that.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
And they don't mess with each other.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Right, right, right.
And then I moved to Winchesterand immediately there's a sense
of community here and there's anidentity.
When you stick out your chest alittle bit, you're like I'm
from Winchester, you knowthere's.
There's a pride in that.
We talk about Hanley pride allthe time, right, there's a pride
in that that doesn't justhappen like that, that's not
like something that just youknow pops out of thin air.

(59:49):
And we have that pride and wehave that sense of community.
That it's because there'speople working.
And I want to say, chris andTony, it's people like you doing
podcasts like this, havingconversations like this centered
on this community.
Again, I came from South Riding, I came from Woodbridge, I came
from Dale City, my wife camefrom Montclair.
Nobody's doing podcasts outthere about their communities

(01:00:13):
because it's just all the same,it's all suburbia.
Winchester is different, it'sunique, it's special and it's
because of people like you andother people.
There's lots of people hereworking to make this community
as awesome as it is.
So thank you to both of you,but thank you to all the people
out there doing the work also.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Thank you, BPG.
Yeah, we really appreciatehaving you on.
We'll have you on any time, man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
All right, man.
Yeah, let me know, I'll be back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I know Chrissy's ready to watch his Washington
Commanders here in about 20minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Oh, that's right, all right, all right, it's actually
the only game besides ChristmasDay game that I'll get to watch
as of now, because I work allSundays and Mondays, which is
fine, but yeah, now that'll becool, but at the end of the day,
this is more important and morespecial for me, man.
It was a pleasure to have you onand get to know you a little
bit, and I'm being honest man.
That's why I really think Ifuck with your hard body,

(01:01:06):
because I speak from the hearttoo.
I'm genuine and I'm not good attelling lies.
So I think my girlfriend lovesthat, because I'm just not going
to tell lies, man Like yeah, Idon't know how to like it.
I'll tell her myself.
And not doing anything bad, Ijust did you eat?
Did you eat what I left in thefridge?
And if I didn't, she knowsright away.

(01:01:26):
I'm not going to say yeah, no,she knows right away.
That's right.
I can tell that.
You're that upfront dude.
Dude too, you just keep it realhow it is Right or wrong.
It does get us in troublesometimes, but you know what be
genuine.
Be yourself, and I think that'sa great message For everybody
too.
Man, be yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
At the end of the day , even people like myself and
Brian, I know we still do careand take into consideration what
other people think, but wedon't care enough to Not be
ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
That's right.
Well, bbg, appreciate you.
We'll talk soon, tony, you too,man Keep being yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
T Because when Christian leaves, you're back in
the square one again.
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
But like you said earlier hey, kids, keep you
young man.
They do man, they hang aroundyou, they keep you young and all
of yours are in Hanley nowright?

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Yeah, they're both in Hanley.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
They're all in Hanley for a couple years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Yeah, well, my oldest has already graduated.
She went to college, shegraduated.
She's at grad school now up atUniversity of Michigan.
But she went through Hanleyyeah, but my two youngest are at
Hanley now I got family inMichigan, in the Grand Rapids
area.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
You got what Family?
Yeah, that's where my mom'sfrom.
Yeah, in Michigan yeah, that'swhere my mom's from.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Hey, man, that's a cool spot.
I had never been to Michigan inmy life.
We moved her up there over thesummer.
It's a cool spot To Ann Arbor.
It's Ann Arbor, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Mm-hmm, yeah, that's a cool town.
Michigan's got nice.
You know it's ugly during thewintertime, of course, but
springs and summers, believe itor not, I heard it's actually a
big retirement state.
Really, People get becausesummer homes, because you know
it gets like 80s.
You know it's nice, comfortableweather, but the winters are
brutal.
I've been are brutal, I believeit.

(01:03:14):
Yeah, so, but anyway, we'llkeep.
We can keep going and going,man, but hey, appreciate you on
and, like I say, we'll talk toyou soon, man.
But yeah, yes, yes, sir, yeah,have a great night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
All right, See you later.
All right, fellas be safe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Chris, we'll end.
We had the great BPG on, butyou want to end and talk about
local football matchups, becausethen I got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I know, I got to get out to the TV quicker than Micah
can get to the.
What's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
oh exactly, he can't find him we ain't talking about
Micah, but hey, we'll whizthrough these scores of last
Friday's game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
We can talk about JoJo and Zayden and all the
young boys Calm down bro, Let meget these scores out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
So last Friday, kettle Run beat Meridian 34-8.
James Wood destroyed Dominion57-6.
To go to it, wood's nice Hanleydestroyed Liberty 46 to 16.
And then a Briarwoods andBrentsville tie 2020.
Like everybody says, that'slike kissing your sister.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
That could be a huge fucking tag come the end of the
season for playoff positioning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Right, and then we got loud and County defeated.
It's rate of 15 to 14, centralone over East Rocky and 28 to 14
.
Clark County fell to Rockingham28-14.
Clark County fell to FortDefiance 33-14.
And Strasburg fell to Broadway28-20.
Okay, now moving to West.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Virginia Strasburg lost.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yes, sir, they lost 28-20.
Wow, yep.
And then now, like we alwayssay, always say our neighbors
can't forget about them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
in uh, west virginia, martinsburg fell to huntington
22 to 20 so they're owing to inthat jersey school from camden
wasn't just a fluke beat down?
Yeah, you've now lost two in arow and I don't know if my whole
lifetime I've ever heard ofthat right they're owing to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
You're right.
Morgantown defeated Jefferson38-7.
Washington beat Hedgesville36-20.
Spring Mills lost to WheelingPark 33-28.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Are they also 0-2?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I'll have to look.
I think they're 0-2 as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
The two best teams from last year in the state are
0-2.
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
And then Loudon Valley beat Musclemen 35-28.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
So not a good day night.
Last week.
That was a close game, 35-28.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Wow, because Loudon Valley plays Millbrook today I'm
getting to that, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
So Wow, but if they only beat Muscleman by seven.
Wow, that was actually a goodgame by Muscleman then, or at
least the score-wise.
You don't know what happened.
Maybe they put a second unit inand Musselman starts scoring.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
And then we'll mention East Hardy.
I'm kind of partial to them.
I'm a coach there.
So they lost 56-36.
They're 0-2, which is unusual.
East Hardy, they must be havinga tough time.
They're usually pretty good Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
They got whooped this season by 20.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, I know right, but now on to the tomorrow
night's games.
Chris, you keep saying tonightit's Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It feels like Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I'm so hyped, ladies and gentlemen, he's still hyped
from BPG.
So, chris, we got Liberty playsFalkir.
I got Falkir winning, you gotFalkir, yeah, they'll win that
one.
Meridian plays Ann and Dale.
They're both one and one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I will pick Ann and Dale.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I'll go Meridian on that.
So then you got Skyline playsKettle Run.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I'm going to pick Skyline in the close one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I'm not with you on that Kettle Run.
I love the kids at Skyline, buthey, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Zayden's going to have a career game tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
He might.
Hey, let's see, I hope he does.
And then you got Warren.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
County.
We didn't have a podcast a yearor two years ago for nothing.
Trust me about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Then you got Warren County Versus Strasburg.
I got Strasburg Manassas Parkplays Parkview, james Wood plays
Culpeper County Wood.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
So somebody's going to take an L that's a good
matchup with Wood and CulpeperRight, but James Wood's nice
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
They are.
I said that was my biggestsleeper this year.
High school era football teamwas James Woods and then
Sharando plays Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I got Jefferson winning in a close one Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
And then Central plays, broadway, broadway will
win, which are both 2-0.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, I got.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Broadway winning though that's a big game.
Clark County plays Catoctin andI didn't know I forgot Clark
County's 0, though that's a biggame.
Clark County plays Catoctin andI didn't know I forgot Clark
County's over too.
That's unusual.
Usually they're winning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Well, the name of the school they're playing.
I have no idea what you justsaid, but hopefully Clark County
gets a W.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I hope they do too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
What the hell was the name of that school?
You said Catoctin.
Oh, so that's probably like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
C-A-T-O-C-T-I-N.
There used to be like a travelteam dude like Catoctin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It's probably like an Indian tribe name or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Probably something like that, you know.
But now moving on to WestVirginia games.
Oh no, hold on.
I mentioned Hanley's playingBrentsville tomorrow or Saturday
.
See, now you got me confused.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah, because you're doing Friday's games, hanley's
on Saturday because they play onthe big boys' play.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, hanley plays, but also East Hardy plays
Saturday, which is fun, becausesometimes East Hardy plays
Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Well, East Hardy's on too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So anyway, moving on real quick, Eastern Pay and
Handle.
Jefferson and Sharando alreadymentioned that they're playing
each other.
Martinsburg plays Woodson I'mnot sure where that's from.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Woodson is at Northern Virginia.
I got Woodson winning.
Woodson actually might be in DC.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
So you're saying I think you're right, they're in
DC.
So Martinsburg oh excuse me,martinsburg is starting out 0-3.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I think maybe they lost some star power, but
they've also as great as theyusually are every year.
They might have put too much ofa tough schedule before they
get to their area, becausethey're fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I mean, I like it.
I've always said about, I'vealways said about Morgensburg
though they don't duck reg, soit's not a district game.
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I said, they're playing all these tough-ass
schools though all of a sudden.
So you're playing Camden, newJersey, which is more up near
this area, then you're playingMorgantown, which is the WVU
town in West Virginia in themountains, and now you're
playing Woodson from DC.
Dude, no lie, they go 0-3.
They might stop their districtand still can win state.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but yeah, they'd be 0-3
, man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
That would still show , though, that at the end of the
day, as great as they are,they're great in the area and in
their state, but when you stepout inside, it's still a
different level.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
It is.
And then, moving on real quickto finish up the Eastern
Panhandle, you got.
Washington plays Liberty, whichI don't know what Liberty.
There's so many Liberty highschools, but I'm sure Nah, yeah,
because there's a Liberty way.
There's so there's so many.
And then Spring Mills playsConnellsville, and Musselman

(01:10:23):
plays Wheeling Park, morgantownplays Hedgesville and then, like
I said, he's already plays,actually on Saturday too, and
they're playing Tucker County.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Oh well, that's my name, tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
So, I got Tucker County winning that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I definitely got the team that's playing their first
home game underneath the fuckingsteps on the big-ass field.
What school is that man?
It looks like a university.
It kind of looks like theCapitol Hanley.
Yeah them dudes.
All I thought only guy couldjudge us, but they all call
themselves judges.
I'm like dude.
What's going on?
But I got Hanley winning manand I got Tuckerville, tucker

(01:11:03):
County, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
That's your school, right there.
But, Chris, hey, it was a greatshow.
That's the local games.
Everybody go watch your localfootball and support these kids
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I set up a show for this Thursday, but it was
amazing that it worked out forBPG man Next Thursday.
Tony, we got the Knockout Kinghimself coming on with us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Tell him who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
It's Michael Benitez, aka Michael Dolman Jr.
Big Mike that runs the gym.
You know he trains a lot ofpeople.
He helps out in the community,man.
We're excited to have big Mikethat runs the gym.
You know he trains a lot ofpeople.
He helps out in the community,man.
We're excited to have big Mikeon next week, next Thursday, at
7 pm.
Ladies and gentlemen, in themeantime, you guys go enjoy this
Commander's win over Mikey andwho, green Bay, you know what it
is, man, but no, we love y'all,man.

(01:11:49):
We appreciate y'all.
Just hit that subscribe buttonfor us real quick.
Listen to us on Spotify,youtube, facebook, wherever you
can find us, but Tony does histhing, putting a good podcast
together.
We're going to keep it rolling,no matter who's around, man, we
love everybody.
We wish y'all the best anduntil then, man, watch me enough
down wherever, all right, chris.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Well, I think you said it all.
And we'll see everybody nextweek with this turn.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Let's go, andy, baby, let's go judges, go get that
third victory.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
All right, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Hey, I'll holler at you later, but enjoy your game
and to all the basketballplayers that's playing this year
during senior year, except formy little nephew, christian man.
You know he's too worried aboutbeing a Duke or UNC player, but
he's got that potential, sowe'll see what happens.
Man, love Winchester, like BPGsaid.
Man, shout out to everybody inthe area.
Man, just hit that subscribebutton.
Y'all go over there and showTony some love man, because you

(01:12:42):
know we're not getting.
No younger man Can't leave thehouse that often.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Right, all right, chris.
Until next week, man All rightman, Y'all be safe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
All right, bro, love you, man Love y'all too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Man Peace, Alright, man Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
How do we learn to live when we Preach B-W-O?
Let your voices be heard, weenlightened by the truth, and
now we spreading the word?
How do we learn to live when weconditioned to die?
Most people fail before theystart Because they don't ever
try.
Man, they told us we wasworthless.
We believed in the lie.
We took it way too literal whenBig said ready to die.
You know, the KKK Turned thecops in disguise man.
A lot done, changed, but racestill applies 5-0, hands up.

(01:13:39):
Don't even ask why.
Trayvon, mike Brown man,another mother's cry.
Hey, bwo, let the con rollbegin, you know.
Communication.

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