October 5, 2025 • 61 mins
A guitar at 28. A notebook full of poems. Two losses that changed the shape of a life. We sit down with our friend and musician Justin Garber to trace how Family Tree came to life and why starting “late” can be the best kind of beginning. Justin opens up about writing through grief, turning a grandmother’s wisdom into a narrative ballad, and sequencing an album that actually takes you somewhere—upstream and back again—with bluegrass grit, Americana warmth, and the kind of lines that stay with you long after the song fades.
We dig into the craft: learning from books and weekly lessons, collecting metaphors in everyday conversation, and letting influence stretch wide—from Led Zeppelin and the Beatles to Pearl Jam, the Dead, and the outlaw edge of Willie and Waylon. Justin shares the studio story behind Family Tree, including contributions from Yonder Mountain String Band’s Dave Johnston and Adam Aijala, and a Grammy-nominated production team that shaped the record’s dynamics without sanding off its heart. He also walks us through a bucket-list surprise: singing the national anthem for the Colorado Rockies on short notice, right in the middle of family grief—and how saying yes to brave moments can reset what you thought possible.
If you’ve ever wondered how to balance a day job with honest art, how to write songs that people feel in their bones, or how to evolve your sound without losing yourself, this conversation is for you. We talk new inspirations (hello, Tyler Childers), the next album’s expanding palette (fiddle and pedal steel incoming), and the power of staying independent so the music can speak plainly. Stream Family Tree everywhere you listen, and if you want the full warmth, grab the vinyl directly from Justin at JustinGarbermusic at gmail.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
What's up, everybody?
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Welcome back to another episode of VWL.
This is about the eighth nightepisode.
We've gone live on YouTube.
But each week, like we told you,is gonna keep getting better and
better.
So while I'm in New York, pony'sdown in Winchester for most
people.
The man himself, the one andwhen Justin Garber, the
musician, is in the building.
I know y'all haven't seen him ina while because I probably
(01:01):
haven't seen you, Justin, inwhat?
25 years?
25 years.
25 years since we were runningthe streets of Winchester.
It's like you've never left, andvice versa, because I don't live
there either.
But man, we're excited to haveyou on.
Talk about what you got going onin life, how dope you are as a
musician, and like you said,whatever else comes off top.
So, Tony, take us away, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
Yeah, so Justin, welcome to Brothers with
Opinions.
Glad to have you on.
Like Chris said, man, the lasttime I probably saw you was 25
years ago.
I know.
It's been a while.
But uh, man, glad to have you onand you know, talk about your
journey through through life,basically.
Like, you know, you got a yougot an album out, and you can
(01:42):
talk about that and talk aboutyour new footage.
SPEAKER_04 (01:44):
I got a bee following me around right now.
Oh that's so yeah, man.
Excited to be here.
Good to see you guys.
Probably the last time I waswith you, Tony.
We were probably coming backfrom Nissan Pavilion in that in
that ecano line.
SPEAKER_02 (02:08):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
That's my favorite band.
You know how I am.
That's my favorite band.
Red Hot Chili Peppers.
I thought they're fucking dope.
And they spoke what's happeningin life now in the late 90s.
SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
So, Justin, so Justin, take us on your journey,
man.
It's it's pretty interesting.
And I and I told Chris when wegot off the phobia, I said, man,
he's an inspiration, but goahead, tell it like tell how you
started it, you know, yourmusical.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
You are, brother.
Be proud, man.
We're excited to have you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:37):
Well, I'm proud, but I appreciate those kind words.
That's nice.
Uh, you know, my life journey isprobably not the same as my
musical journey, you know.
My my musical journey would bemore starting late in life, you
know.
I didn't pick up the guitaruntil I was 28.
So uh let that be a lesson topeople that, you know, feel like
(02:58):
they wish they would startthings sooner.
You know, there's it's never toolate.
The earth keeps turning, youknow.
Right.
The years are gonna go by nomatter what.
So I picked it up at 28, and uh,I was still living in Charleston
and wasn't taking it superserious, but when my wife Ashley
and I moved to Colorado, I endedup meeting a good friend Matt
out here and um took lessonsfrom him pretty much every week
(03:22):
for five years and really duginto it and was writing songs.
And honestly, you know, after myparents passed away, I really
was just writing what would beconsidered just poetry, right?
And then those that poetryturned into songs, you know,
through my learning to play theguitar, provided me an outlet to
(03:44):
actually write, be a songwriter.
So um, you know, and then uhthrough a series of friendships
and meeting some good friends inthe music industry, you know,
and uh being pushed in the rightdirection to just kind of take
the leap of faith of going outand playing live and going and
recording music.
(04:04):
And so it's been a really funjourney.
You know, my my first like liveshow probably wasn't until 2019.
You know, some somewhere aroundthere, 20 no, that's not true.
2017, 18, 19, somewhere inthere.
SPEAKER_02 (04:21):
Yeah, that's we know we're we're known with sometime
around there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Somewhere in there.
SPEAKER_04 (04:26):
You know, I mean I I make the point that I haven't
been playing music all my life,you know.
And uh and I I'm I'm proud ofthat.
I think a lot of famousmusicians, not that I'm a famous
musician, but a lot of peoplethat are well-known musicians
have been playing their wholelife, you know, and I think that
it should be known that you, youknow, you can pick it up at any
(04:46):
time and just go play.
SPEAKER_02 (04:48):
And and and that's why I was saying Chris, because
I was like, it's never too late.
You just said it, you know,never too late.
The world keeps turning, youknow, to do something.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Might as well go do what you want to do.
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
My job every day and doing certain different things,
but at the end of the day, Ialso don't want to be broke
while I make those decisions.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Well, I have a day job.
I have, you know, I'm I'm lucky.
I have a job that I love.
I care for a a property inColorado that um allows me the
ability to.
I mean, I'm working right now,so you know, I I feel pretty
lucky to be a good one.
SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
Really, you're working right now on our show.
SPEAKER_04 (05:27):
I'm working, I'm working.
Technically, I'm on the clock.
SPEAKER_03 (05:32):
I'm on the clock.
SPEAKER_04 (05:33):
Uh you know.
Um, yeah, you know, I I I makemusic at this point in my life
because I want to, and it's fun,and I love it, and it's art and
it's a form of expression, andI'm not tied to being forced to
do anything.
I'm not I don't have to go makemusic to make money.
I don't have to play shows tomake money.
I play it because I I playbecause I love to, and uh I hope
(05:57):
to continue to do that.
I think everyone has a dream ofbeing a big rock and roll star,
and of course that would be cooltoo.
But you know, I I like my life.
I enjoy my life.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
Now now, now one question, you mentioned you
you're married, which I didn'tknow, just found that out.
So uh how how did your wifesupport you along, you know?
Because I'm sure you're like, ohyeah, I'm gonna pick up the
guitar, I'm gonna try musicbecause most significant others,
I guess, are very supportive,you know, a lot of times, like,
oh, you're nuts.
SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
You know, so how crazy.
We're all so crazy.
Uh Ashley and I have beentogether 24 years.
She's from Winchester as well.
You see how Tony said he didn'tknow that?
You said 20 Tony.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
That's like a year after you've seen him.
SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
Tony and I probably had stopped tank uh hanging out
maybe like a year or two beforeI met Ashley.
And I and when I met Ashley, Iwas we were only dating for like
a year before I left.
SPEAKER_01 (06:56):
But she recognized early on that Tony wasn't gonna
be somebody she wanted you tohang around.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
See, that's why.
That's why you cut me off.
SPEAKER_04 (07:06):
But but to the question, she she's very
supportive.
Ashley is a very, verysupportive person in my life for
all angles.
It doesn't not just music, butfor everything.
Um, you know, I mean, I guessthe real answer is, you know,
she lets me follow my passions,my dreams, my whatever I'm
(07:26):
interested in, and vice versa.
I do that too, you know?
Um so you know, I'd I thinkthat's all that it really takes.
I don't think it has to be asuper complicated answer.
SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
Yes, right.
Well, hey.
SPEAKER_04 (07:39):
She's just there, you know.
If if if I if it's somethingthat I want to do that's
constructive and healthy andgood and artistic, then go for
it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
You know, you said she's from Winchester.
Did she go to Hanley?
Yeah, she went to Hanley.
96?
SPEAKER_04 (07:53):
Nope, she's younger than we are.
SPEAKER_01 (07:56):
Not probably not me then.
SPEAKER_04 (08:00):
Maybe.
Let's see, she graduated in2000.
Yeah, she's younger.
She's younger.
SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
Yeah, already.
See, gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (08:09):
2001, 2002.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Oh, that's for my wife.
Guess what?
We all find what we find, andvice versa.
When God wants it to happen, andeven if you don't believe in him
or her, the higher power, ithappens when it's supposed to
happen.
That's right.
Yeah, so I don't like that.
Okay, are you mad?
Yes, they are mad.
Because you're 40 now, so you'rehoping in 40 years you date
(08:33):
somebody who's just now born.
Like, good luck.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
You find love how you find it,whatever else.
And of course, when there's thatmuch years, it could be money
and stuff involved.
But regardless, if he's happy,who cares?
That's right.
That's Justin.
If you're happy, that's all thatmatters, brother.
Yeah, she's not even that muchyounger, she's just younger than
me, and I'm younger than y'all.
(08:54):
Tony and those guys are bornwith Vietnam and from I was born
with Jimmy Carter and Reagan.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
I'm so old to Chris.
You know, just because I'm bodydoesn't mean I'm that old.
All right.
So it happens to the best of us.
I don't have the beautiful locksthat you know, like Justin has.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
You tried to.
You're a wife, your wife.
SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
I can see, I can see why you guys call this brothers
with opinions because you guysare like two like real brothers
that just fight about yourbrothers.
Yeah, right.
Absolutely.
I'm just gonna sit back and letyou guys go.
Right, just let us just let usgo.
You guys figure this out.
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
No matter what we say, so Justin.
I'll be here if you needanything.
Some people may agree withcertain things, either one of us
say, and they may not, but it'sstill really just our opinion.
We're not telling you to youknow live and die by the code of
what we say or not, but it's ouropinion, take it for what it is,
right?
SPEAKER_05 (09:49):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
I mean, I'm I'm here to support you guys, you know.
Yeah, we really had two catsfrom your class on in the
beginning.
Yeah, did you?
It was Wayne Rush and ZebWeaver.
SPEAKER_04 (09:59):
Oh my boys.
Yeah, they both didn't.
Wayne and I Wayne and I, beforeI left for college, we used to
hang out all the time because weworked together at Hyleigh
Myers.
We were delivering furniture.
Wayne's still there.
SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
Just no you had me for a minute.
SPEAKER_05 (10:18):
You had me in the first half.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
Oh no, Wayne's my best friend, man.
I love him, man.
But you know about that.
They were already playing theshow before me.
SPEAKER_04 (10:31):
Right.
Yeah.
No, Wayne.
Well, I he's a good dude.
I haven't talked to him or seenhim in 25 years either.
SPEAKER_02 (10:38):
Yeah, right.
Right?
Yeah.
So back back on topic.
Let's get back to Justin Garber,the musician.
Let's go through your uh pickyour brain.
Like, how do you go through yourwriting pro your creative
process of writing because youtalked about a little bit about,
you know, it's a whole differentanimal songwriting.
So do you like lock yourself ina closet like main or the tour
(10:59):
or something, you know?
SPEAKER_04 (11:01):
Yeah.
Is that what he does?
SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
Uh yeah, that's what I ready does and takes like
whatever drugs, you know, tocome up with it.
Interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:10):
Um, you know, it's funny, my my um my songwriting
kind of just came out ofnowhere.
I I didn't actually like one dayjust say, I want to be a
songwriter, and then startwriting songs.
I actually was just kind of likewriting a lot of thoughts and
feelings and uh things about myparents after they passed away.
And I think it just was likethis cathartic uh thing that I
(11:31):
was doing to just kind of likeget it out.
And uh, you know, and then oneday I was like, oh, it kind of
sounds like a song.
And then I just kind of pickedup the guitar and was playing
around.
And and I will say that, youknow, after I started digging
into it, I bought some books onsongwriting to like try to hone
my skill.
(11:51):
So I've definitely like readbooks on songwriting.
There's some really good stuffout there, you know.
I've studied other artists'songwriting styles and skills
and stuff, but honestly, it justit kind of comes natural.
I don't really think about ittoo much.
Um I'll hear different uhmetaphors and similes and these
(12:12):
little sayings that like peoplesay, and I'll just write it down
because it sounds cool, andsometimes it becomes a song.
Like my grandmother had a sayingmy whole life since I was a
little kid don't trade thethrill of a moment for a
lifetime of misery.
And I've pretty much lived bythat my whole life.
I probably kept me out oftrouble at parties at high
(12:32):
school.
I'd be like, I'd be like, ah,you know, this kind of seems
like I should probably get outof here, you know.
And um I kind of thought thatwhen I was young.
Yeah, I kind of thought that itwas like a cool saying could be
a cool song.
So I actually have a song calledThe Key to Life that I wrote
from the perspective of like twocowboys searching for this guy
(12:55):
who has the key to life, andthey find him in the desert
right before he's about to die,and they kind of ask him to
share what the key to life isbefore he dies, and with his
last breath, he says that thekey to life is to not trade the
thrill of a moment for alifetime of misery.
And so, you know, just likedifferent trying to like
creative angles of songwritingand things like that, you know.
(13:17):
Just thoughts that pop in myhead.
I think in some ways it is hardto explain.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
Oh, I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
You do some of your inspirations though, as far as
songwriting, because there canbe a difference between a
performer and a singer than asongwriter.
So, who are some of yourinspirations in that aspect?
SPEAKER_04 (13:42):
You know, um inspirations that I am like, you
know, that I kind of zero in ontoday in my life would be like
Jason Isbull, um Tom Petty,George Harrison from the
Beatles, um Virgil Simpson.
Like kind of, you know, it's aplethora of different people,
(14:05):
but um growing up, I listened toa lot of different music that my
dad was interested in, you know,like Led Zeppelin and The Doors
and the Beatles and all kinds ofdifferent and I was always
paying attention to the lyrics,even back then.
SPEAKER_05 (14:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:19):
Like like the singing of the words and what
the words mean, and is there astory?
Like it always from uh being alittle kid, and then you know,
once I was growing up in theearly 90s, going into um you
know, the grunge era of likeNirvana and shit, Nirvana and
Pearl Jam and sound like I amstill a diehard Pearl Jam fan.
(14:43):
Like Pearl Jam.
I mean, you know, Eddie Vetter'ssongwriting is phenomenal.
Like I absolutely love thoseguys, and so you know, then I
kind of went into that, and thenas I got older and in my 20s, I
kind of gravitate gravitatedtowards like The Grateful Dead
and Widespread Panic and AlmondBrothers and kind of the jam
(15:05):
band scene.
Um, and then once I startedwriting songs and playing guitar
and and stuff, I one day waslike, wow, that's kind of weird
that I my songs sound more likecountry songs or like Americana
songs when I never really gotinto that music that much.
And then so then I dove reallydeep into bluegrass and country,
(15:30):
like more like the outlawcountry, um, but like Yonder
Mountain String Band, um uh theDel McCurry band, and you know,
just all kinds of differentbluegrass, um and then like
country music, like kind ofgoing back far as I like Wayland
(15:52):
Jennings and Willie Nelson andjust trying to like see all
these different angles.
And I can't say that I knowtheir catalog better than a lot
of people, you know.
Like there's people thatprobably can tell you every song
from every album, but I reallyjust kind of would learn their
different styles, and you justnaturally pull a little bit from
(16:14):
everybody, and you just haveyour own little style, you know?
Right is Led Zeppelin the bestband ever.
They're definitely one of themfor sure.
For sure.
We'll get into that.
SPEAKER_03 (16:26):
Yeah, everybody kind of messing up Tony's questions,
man.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
He's got no Beatles, but I think Led Zeppelin might
be a hit of a man.
It's just the Beatles have thesongs, they're worldwide famous,
they're from but Led Zeppelindude, Jimmy Page, that whole
band is fucking fire.
SPEAKER_04 (16:43):
There's a really good uh new documentary on Led
Zeppelin that I've been uh likehalfway through.
It's it's fantastic.
It's really cool to see to see.
Like, I think it's on Netflix.
There's a lot of uh like oldinterviews and stuff.
It's really cool.
It's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (16:58):
Okay, I'd I'll have to check that out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:00):
And yeah, I mean, I just I dove pretty deep into the
Beatles.
I think anybody that likes musicat some point in time has a
Beatles face, you know.
Whether they're your favoriteband or not, you have to kind of
go and figure it out and seetheir their trajection of like
starting off as this little fabfloor, you know, almost like
(17:20):
poppy band, and then you know,they started taking psychedelics
and they turned into this kindof like psychedelic band, you
know, um, into like true rockand roll.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Um they're considered the greatest band.
To me, I think they'reconsidered the greatest band
because people say them all thefucking time.
SPEAKER_04 (17:40):
Well, I mean, you know, I I don't think you could
say the Beatles uh you you can'targue against it really too
much.
It's kind of hard.
I mean, there are other bands.
I mean Led Zeppelin is up therefor sure, but it also depends.
Here's the thing I love aboutmusic there's something for
everybody, right?
Like you don't have to like theBeatles at all.
(18:00):
Maybe you like Mozart and Bachand Alabama and Tchaikovsky, or
maybe you love bluegrass andnothing else, you know.
Maybe you love heavy metal ordeath metal or thrash metal,
like there's something foreverybody.
I personally love all of it.
I I'll I'll go to heavy metalconcerts, bluegrass concerts,
rock and roll, country.
(18:22):
You know, I'll I'll I'll take itall in.
SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
Right.
I I'm trying to turn Chris onthe metal, but I can't get him
there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
Because I grew up on Guns and Roses and Metallica AC
DC.
I didn't grow up on you can gosee them.
unknown (18:37):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (18:39):
I just like saw Guns N' Roses like two or two or
three years ago.
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
I I just asked Tony before we got on the show
tonight.
I'm like, have you seen them andACDC?
He said, No.
I said, Yeah, well, if they goon tour, let me know.
SPEAKER_04 (18:53):
Yeah.
My nephew, my nephew is a uh adrummer and like uh I don't know
what how he would classify it.
To me, it's like kind of like athrash metal, heavy metal band.
They were the hair metal bandsof our time, and they were
they're awesome.
Uh I love see poison.
I wouldn't tell poison as one ofmy first concerts when I was
(19:13):
like nine years old.
It's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Oh no, I didn't know he was out there running around
on a newer song of theirs.
Justin, you remember theconcert?
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
You remember the concert we went to?
We went to a bunch.
Well, the first one.
Metallica.
SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
Oh, Metallica, where corrosion of conformity opened.
SPEAKER_02 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:39):
That was 97, right?
The load tour.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Uh 96, 90, something like that.
SPEAKER_04 (19:45):
Something in there.
I think it was the load tour.
Yeah, that was at the the paywhen they called it the Patriots
Center.
SPEAKER_02 (19:50):
Or was it called USA Arena at the time?
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
Uh I don't, I don't remember.
That's a Fairfax.
SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so you're journey.
Let's talk about your album.
Sure.
Uh your debut album, correct?
Yeah.
So yes.
Family tree.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Whoever did that man time was that shit's fire.
Oh, yeah, the artwork.
SPEAKER_04 (20:16):
That's Katie Malvey, Mark Malvey's wife.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
So shout out to Katie because that was shout out
to Katie.
SPEAKER_04 (20:22):
She's a phenomenal artist.
Yeah.
Yeah, it looked dope, man.
It still looks dope.
So, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
Yeah, she's fantastic.
SPEAKER_04 (20:28):
That actually is a um it's oil painting on wood.
And then my friend took a photoof it.
So that's an actual like pieceof art.
It's not um that's not digital.
SPEAKER_02 (20:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (20:40):
That's an actual oil painting.
Yeah, she's fantastic.
Well, no lie.
I think it's dope.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (20:47):
Nice.
So I listened to your wholealbum today.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
Wonderful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:52):
And I I feel you have a touch of blues in it,
like you say, bluegrass.
Yeah.
A little bit, you know, feel init, and American old school
country.
You think so, Crazy?
You listen or not?
Be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
I only got to listen to three stars.
Dude, I got off.
I told you I've still listenedto something.
SPEAKER_03 (21:12):
He's been working since May 9th, you know, since
he's been out.
He ain't had time.
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
He hasn't had time since May 9th.
SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
I don't, I don't know if it's got any jazz in
there.
It definitely has uh rock androll, bluegrass.
There is some blues feelings inthere for sure.
Some country.
Right.
Uh, yeah.
unknown (21:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
So I'll put up, I'll put us at like one song I really
got out with was Hearts andHands.
Yeah.
I like that one.
So could you tell a little storyabout like, and also River Back
Home.
Of course, obviously, that'sgotta be the Shenandoah River,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (21:50):
You know, here's the thing about songwriting is
however it connects to you iswhat it is what it is.
Yeah, but it is if to you inyour heart it was the Shenandoah
River, then that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (22:04):
But you're right.
That's the great peopleinterpret it the way they want,
you know, how they connect toit.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:09):
It's it's it's however you connect it.
If if somebody in Colorado mightsay that's the Colorado River,
you know.
It's whatever river you want itto be.
unknown (22:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Uh but no, I would love to share with you the story
of Hearts and Hands because itis written about uh the night
that my mom passed away.
And uh when she got really sick,I was lucky enough to actually
be back home.
It was a time when I was closeto home.
And so I spent the last threeweeks with her by her bedside,
(22:41):
and I kind of told her, youknow, no matter where you are in
the world, that we can look upat the moon and and be
connected.
And so when I look at the moon,I I think of my mom.
And so the the story is aboutwhat's happening at that moment,
her passing away, and us beingconnected through the moon.
(23:01):
And our hearts and hands areconnected and held together
through the universe, basically.
Nice, so yeah, it's a it's ait's a uh sometimes I have a
hard time singing it, uh, so Itry not to think about it too
much, but uh I love it.
It's uh it's a meaningful songto me.
SPEAKER_02 (23:21):
Yeah, that's that's the great thing about music,
like it's therapy, yeah, in alot of way, correct?
SPEAKER_04 (23:26):
Right?
For sure, for sure.
And you know, it's interesting.
It's like I've I was talking tosomebody not long ago about it,
and you know, my parents, my momand dad passed away pretty close
to each other, 2011 and 2013.
And then that's when my musicaljourney really kind of started
to go.
And it's kind of funny, liketheir passing was the
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inspiration for my writing.
It's when the poetry startedflowing, it's when the
songwrites, songwriting startedto to form.
It's just it just, yeah, like mymy whole universe changed, and
then therefore I was like justkind of uh finding uh therapy
through songwriting and musicand stuff, and so uh, you know,
(24:12):
it was kind of born from that.
Um, and so the reason thealbum's called Family Tree is
because a lot of the songs haveto do with my family.
Uh, so you know, uh Hearts andHands is about my mom, Key to
Life was from the saying of mygrandmother, Standing on the
Shoulders came from aconversation that I had with my
grandmother on the way to workone morning.
(24:33):
Uh Flying Free is about my dadpassing away.
Um, instantly is about dreamingabout my mom.
And instantly was the first songI wrote.
And I wrote it probably a monthafter she passed away in 2011,
and it literally just came out.
(24:54):
I it's hard to explain.
Songwriting is a really weirdthing, you know, it's just kind
of gumps.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
It's a very personal album.
Yeah, and I kind of and I kindof felt that listening to it.
SPEAKER_04 (25:05):
Yeah, and so you know, it it was uh putting that
album together, recording it,releasing it to the world was
kind of like a way for me tosay, okay, here it is, right?
Like this is what I wentthrough.
I want to share it with theworld.
Um, and now that that you knowhas been released and is behind
(25:27):
me, my songwriting style ischanging a little bit.
You know, I'm writing songsabout other things other than my
parents, and my songwriting'skind of sad.
You know, like I just I kind ofwrite about sad stuff, but I
it's just what comes, you know.
It's like uh it's something thatpeople can connect to.
Um, I think we're all goingthrough something all the time,
(25:48):
you know.
Uh so I feel like my songspeople can connect to, but they
are they can be on the sad side.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Right, right.
Yeah, I think one one was alittle upbeat, I'll say.
I can't remember the exact nameof it.
SPEAKER_04 (26:05):
Yeah, the the the first song, Down to the Water.
Yeah, well, that that one andeverything.
That was pretty upbeat.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Other than that, just get a12-pack of beer and sit in and
drown in your sorrows.
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
It's supposed to, it's supposed to take you on a
journey, you know.
I when I was a kid and and Iwould get like a new album, a
new, you know, you save up allyour money to get a new CD or
whatever, and you hit play andyou just let it go, right?
Like you're not skipping songs.
So to me, uh, you know, you wantit to have a flow.
It has highs and lows, and youcan't just be up here all the
(26:41):
time on your songs.
It can't just be like highenergy all the time, it can't be
low energy, it has to have aflow.
And so, you know, I tried tocreate that with the the
organization of the the songsand where they are on the album
so that it's kind of takes youon a journey, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
Nice.
Well, it sure did.
So also you have another albyou're working on another album,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (27:07):
I am, yeah.
Yeah, I got 12 songs.
Uh I'm not quite finished, um,but I'm definitely probably
two-thirds of the way there.
I don't have a timeline oranything.
I'm just kind of moving throughit.
But uh, yeah, no, I love it.
I feel like my songwriting hasevolved.
Um uh so I'm excited to releaseit whenever it happens.
(27:31):
Um, because it's definitely abig growth time in my
songwriting and playing and andand everything.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
So, like any special guests, like big names on any
songs?
SPEAKER_04 (27:44):
You know, I mean, I feel like my album has big names
on it, you know.
Uh Dave Johnson from YonderMountain String Band played
banjo and co-produced the lastalbum.
Um the producer, John McVeigh atCinder Sound, you know, they're
Grammy nominated.
And and uh, you know, Yonder umdid their does their albums with
(28:06):
John as well, and they alltogether were nominated like two
years ago for a Grammy.
Um, nice.
You know, and I mean all theguys are amazing on that album.
Alex Johnson, Greg Garrison,James Dumb, Eric Moon.
I mean, they're all fantastic.
(28:27):
Adam Angelov played electricguitar on three songs.
He's the guitar player in YonderMountain String Band.
He usually plays acousticguitar, but he played electric
on a couple songs.
So, I mean, it's pretty good.
And I have the majority of thosepeople coming back.
I have a different bass player,um, Brad Morse.
He plays with the gasolinelollipops that he's playing.
(28:48):
Um but mostly the same people onthis new album.
I I do have a couple new uh anew instrument, a couple new
instruments I have uh that thatweren't on the last one.
I have a fiddle on a couplesongs and um and a pedal steel
guitar, but I don't have thatrecorded yet, so I can't share
(29:10):
with you who that's gonna be.
SPEAKER_02 (29:12):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (29:13):
Because it's not it's not done.
SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
See, so that's that bluegrass roots.
SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
Bluegrass and blues for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How did you get to be featuredand do the opening um Star
Spangled Banner at the Rockiesgame?
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Yeah, we gotta talk about that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
You know, it was a bucket list item.
SPEAKER_04 (29:34):
I didn't know I wanted you know, Mark Mark, I
I'm gonna tip my hat to MarkMalvey for for uh helping me.
Is that Katie's husband?
That's Katie's Mark's fromWinchester.
You probably know him.
Mark went to Hanley, hegraduated in I don't know, two
thousand one maybe.
Something like that.
Um Mark sent me a video of thisgirl last year.
(30:00):
Singing the national anthem andshe just botched it pretty bad.
Um, it's a really hard song tosing, so I can't really give
shade to anybody that has messedit up.
But um, he sent me this videoand I just was like, man, I I
could probably even I could dobetter than that, you know, as a
joke.
And he was like, All right, thendo it.
(30:22):
And so I contacted the Rockiesand they were like, Well, you
gotta, we already have itplanned for this year.
You can you can hit us up nextyear.
And uh a friend gave me theright email of the person that
who actually does the booking,and so I was able to find out
who it was that I needed toemail.
(30:43):
And I emailed them, kind of notreally expecting to hear back.
She emails me and said, youknow, here's this opportunity.
Would you like to do it?
And full disclosure, mygrandmother had just passed
away.
I was like in the trenches and Iwas back home kind of dealing
with some stuff, and I get thisemail, and I'm like, oh man,
(31:05):
that's really cool.
Like, I'm not gonna say no.
My grandmother would be sostoked if I like you know, I'm
not gonna say no, you know, eventhough I got all stuff going on.
I said, Yeah, when do you wantme to do it?
And they like three weeks.
It's like, all right, so I gotthree weeks to prepare.
But you know, I I did it and itwas awesome, and I'd love to do
(31:26):
it again.
It was fantastic, and uh yeah,after I got done, that's what I
was saying was it was a bucketlist item I didn't know I wanted
in my life, but man, what anexperience! It's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's awesome.
When we saw, we're like, holyshit, it's like he's doing the
damn national anthem in Iraqisgame.
It's like he's made he's made itnow.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
Is that is that is that the uh that's the
barometer?
That's how you uh I mean thatthat definitely I mean it's I
mean it's pretty big to me.
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
Yeah, it's big to me too, for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah.
They have people like KurtCobain and Michael Jackson and
Whitney Houston and shit.
They don't just have regulars.
Kurt Cobain sang the nationalanthem?
Did he for real?
It's only great musicians orfamous people.
They let them try and then useit.
Hold on.
We got we gotta iron this out.
(32:19):
Did Kurt Cobain sing thenational anthem?
He tried.
When I don't know, I don'tremember exactly when we were
kids, and I don't remembertalking about it.
Some some some tells me.
(32:45):
I had a good time.
Yeah, you were on national TVand everything, dude.
That was dope.
SPEAKER_04 (32:49):
We me and Tom was telling everybody tune in, like
you know, and if Mark Malveydidn't push me to do it, I I
wouldn't have been so excited.
So props to Mark.
And you might do it again now.
I mean, I would love to do itagain.
I probably would be a little bitmore prepared than three weeks.
Yeah, now you're gonna be a goodone.
You know, it's funny, it's oneof those things where you're
(33:09):
like, oh man, I it seems likenot very much time.
But then again, like, do youwant six months to think about
it?
Probably not, you know.
I don't want to be up four orfive times.
I want to stress about it, youknow.
But it was it was good.
It was a very good experience.
And I will say the Rockiesorganization was very welcoming,
they were awesome.
And uh in the mail, about amonth later, came this like
(33:32):
framed photo from the Rockiesorganization of me singing it,
and I was real I thought thatwas a really cool gesture that
they sent that to me.
So it was really cool.
Yeah.
Did you ever perform in theBattle of the Bands at Hanley?
No, no.
In fact, funny story about that.
Funny story about that.
(33:52):
I used to have really bad stagefright.
Like being a musician now in mylife, it's kind of funny to look
back and think about like that Ihow scared I was to like get up
in front of the class and likeread my book report or
something, you know.
But Mike R.
Kulin, Mike R.
Kullen asked me if I would playthe intro on the harmonica to
(34:13):
that weezer song.
Um, and uh, I was like, yeah, soI practiced in my bedroom for
like weeks, and then the daycame and he's like, All right,
let's go.
And I'm like, nah, I can't doit.
I can't do it, I can't do it,and I didn't do it.
SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
I didn't do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Yeah, you know, uh, so that would have been my
Mike's actually a good musician.
He's fantastic, he's great.
He's great.
If he if if you play him a songand then you hand him the
guitar, he'll play it.
It's I don't know how he doesit.
He's done it forever.
It's like some somehow he'll helike just figures it out.
(34:55):
I don't know.
Yeah, no, he's great, he'sgreat, and he's an even better
human being.
SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Yeah, we'd love to have him on sometime too.
SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
We've been talking about we should totally have him
on.
I love him so much.
Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
Mike's a good dude.
Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, Iwanted to ask, you know, since
we're getting short on time andwe got Thursday night football
in our own.
SPEAKER_03 (35:19):
We're not short on time.
We got 25, 26 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
What I gotta I gotta keep I love it, but Justin
Justin's loving it.
SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Listen, Tony's gotta go make coffee, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
No, he's actually I'm drinking water because I
have a uh not urinary tract, ifuh kidney stones, small kidney
stones.
We'll just put it out there.
Uh I gotta suck this water down.
SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Well, when we're not on air, I'll I'll send you a
phone number somewhere to helpyou with that.
That's okay.
That's not the same series.
I'm serious.
Right.
I'm serious.
SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
But uh anyway, I wanted to ask you, what are you
listening to these days?
Like any like anything, likewhat's in your playlist right
now?
All right.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
So I've been really listening to okay, so
music-wise, I've been listeningto Tyler Childers' new uh album,
Snipe Hunter.
It was produced by Rick Rubin.
I love Tyler Childers, hissongwriting is amazing.
He kind of was born out of thislike Kentucky country,
bluegrassy, well, more country.
(36:27):
Um and now this new album withRick Rubin producing it, it's
kind of like almost got likethis really big band style
sound.
But his songwriting is socatchy, and uh like you have to
really, really pay attention tounderstand what he's singing
(36:47):
about.
It's really cool.
So I've been digging that albuma lot, but if you want the real
answer, I've been listening to alot of books on grief because my
grandmother passed away.
And so a lot of people a lot ofpeople don't like to talk about
death and grief and that kind ofstuff.
I'm not afraid to talk about it,but we don't have we don't have
to talk about it that long.
But I've been listening to a lotof audio books on uh grief and
(37:11):
people who have crossed over andhow to deal with that, and uh a
lot of like uh just kind ofbooks on wisdom and Ram Das and
things like that.
So I've been kind of ravaging alot of books on that.
Um and I listen to audiobooks,that's why I say I'm listening.
SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
Hey, that hey, that's how you deal with it and
cope with it, and that's how youlearn your thing.
SPEAKER_04 (37:36):
Yeah, it's good.
But uh uh Rod's Dread Panic justreleased a great album from the
90s, uh, like a live album fromthe 90s that I've been listening
to.
Um I listened to a lot of theDrunken Hearts albums.
Uh they have some great stuffthat came out a year or so ago.
So I love those guys.
(37:57):
Um yeah, just been kind ofdigging into to whatever comes
out.
Right, new new music.
SPEAKER_02 (38:06):
Right.
Well, have you well my my youknow, I'll give mine, Chris.
Do you have a list of whatyou've been listening to?
Anything?
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
It's not anything new.
Yeah, that's it.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Come on, like what do you listento?
SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
Pit us with it.
Like I said, what's what do youlisten to on the regular?
At least not right now.
SPEAKER_01 (38:27):
Like Justin's saying, like with audiobooks and
stuff, I listen to mostlypodcasts and stuff, so because
I'm at work so much, and thenwhen I get home it's late night,
so there's nobody to hang outwith, there's nobody around.
The wife, the kid, the friends,everybody's asleep.
So I watch a lot of podcasts,but most of mine are
entertainment-wise.
So it's Dylan's.
SPEAKER_04 (38:46):
Which ones do you watch?
Like uh Burt Kreischer and stufflike that, or I'll be honest
with you, I don't know who thatis.
unknown (38:54):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
He just turned us on then.
SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
Tony, he said, what?
Hold on, hold on, real quick,Justin.
Tony, do you know who that is?
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
Justin said, No, I don't.
I've never no.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
First of all, I will but we don't know who that other
person is either.
SPEAKER_04 (39:11):
So who is this?
Listen, when you when when youhave this time you just spoke
about tonight when alleverybody's going to sleep, go
go and watch Bert Kreisherstand-up.
Yeah, it's likeK-R-E-I-S-C-H-E-R or something
like that.
Okay.
He is hilarious.
He is so funny.
(39:32):
So he's a fantastic comedian,but he also does podcasts.
And his podcasts are great.
He has musicians on.
Um, so I watched some of hisstuff where he has musicians on.
He's awesome.
Um, and I can actually say thathe's a nice person because I met
him this summer at a widespreadpanic concert of all places, and
he was a really cool dude.
(39:53):
He was very down-to-earth, verynice.
Um, and for as famous as he is,you just never know.
But he was really cool.
Yeah, Burt Kreischer, man.
He was awesome.
Okay.
What podcasts are you listeningto, then?
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
I'm interested.
I'm gonna be honest.
There's people I listen to thatI don't always know who they
are, but I find them all thetime.
There's this one skinny whitekid.
He's not a kid, he's probably inhis 30s.
He jokes and calls anybody out,but he uses the audience very
well.
So I watch his a lot.
SPEAKER_02 (40:23):
Chris is like me.
He he knows the face, but notthe name.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
And I'll watch people from the area.
There's this guy, this white guyfrom like Strasburg Central
area.
He's got his podcast, JoshKirby.
Our buddies that that actuallyis Tony's brother-in-law,
Dwayne.
They have a sports podcast,like, and they're from
Berryville.
So I watch little things likethat.
But he passes the time by and Itry to be supportive.
(40:50):
But I'll definitely tune in toBert because you know I can't
knock anything until I watch itand listen.
SPEAKER_04 (40:55):
He is hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (40:57):
Just go watch his stand-up.
Go watch stand-up.
I would have loved George Carlinall the time.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
And now I love to watch it.
Fantastic, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that is one when Iwas younger, I would watch a lot
of stand-up.
Uh Chris Rock, Bigger andBlacker, has to be one of the
best stand-ups of all time.
SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Then he's smaller than Blacker, but that's cool.
SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
Nah, and then uh, you know, like the early Dave
Chappelle stand-up stuff, you'rekilling him softly.
Ah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (41:25):
Well, Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle's one of the
fires as comedians.
He doesn't give a fuck.
I love that about him.
SPEAKER_04 (41:33):
He's amazing.
You know what though?
I think he does, and I thinkthat everybody thinks that he
doesn't, and he's like, No, I docare, and that's but I'm also
gonna make a joke about it sothat you get so that you get the
joke, you know.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, that's his own takeon it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So my favorite actor comedians,if we have to get into that part
real quick, would be Bernie Mackand John Candy.
And that's not a comedy I think.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
Chris loves doing lists, Justin, like top five,
top ten, anything.
SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
So, just in general, though, I'll there's a
documentary coming out onOctober 6th of John Candy, and
it's fucking done by RonReynolds.
Oh man, somebody, dude, it'sabout John Candy.
I'm excited for it.
It'll be great.
SPEAKER_04 (42:20):
I don't think anybody could have guessed that
those would be your twofavorite, though.
You got Bernie Mac and JohnCandy.
SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
You brought two opposite sides of the spectrum.
SPEAKER_01 (42:29):
They're fucking awesome.
They're they're fantastic.
Yeah, they're also they're frommy childhood, though.
So I think I'm very nostalgic,and I love to go back to my
childhood.
So that's why I'm Guns N' Roses.
My first battle of the bands Iheard was Welcome to the No, it
was it was Welcome to theJungle, and and another band
that did um that same night atHanley in '99.
(42:51):
No, ninety-nine, eighty-nine wasalso wild things.
By Tone Lowe.
SPEAKER_05 (42:58):
Wow, man.
SPEAKER_01 (42:59):
But it was the first night, and that ever since then,
Battle of the Bands has beenlike fucking dope to me at
Hanley.
You want to go back to Battle ofthe Bands.
SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
I thought we were gonna talk about funky Cole
Medina or something.
SPEAKER_02 (43:11):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
Same artist.
SPEAKER_02 (43:14):
But I'll give my little list I actually made like
what I'm listening to these.
SPEAKER_03 (43:19):
I probably I could probably tell tell you Tony's
top five from the 90s myself.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Well, well, but what I'm listening to today, of
course, uh Kendrick Lamar is onmy list.
He's there, and then I'm in andthen I'm on a big Fleetwood Mac
kick right now.
Oh, Stevie Nick.
Oh, dude.
Like, I'll yeah, I'm on a bigFleetwood Mac kick right now.
SPEAKER_04 (43:47):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:48):
And then uh Ryan Bingham, I love too.
SPEAKER_04 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you watch Yellowstone orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (43:57):
I did, but I got at whatever.
I can never finish anything.
I watched like the first twoseasons and stopped.
And then uh Lamb of God, anotherone.
Yeah, you know, it depends onwhat mood I'm in, but dude,
they're me they're they'reamazing.
Like they're still what in their50s something and making amazing
music.
(44:19):
Who?
SPEAKER_04 (44:21):
What's the fifth one?
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
Deftones.
Have you checked out their newalbum?
Bro, have you checked out theirnew album, Private Music?
Dude, they're more popular.
You gotta look.
Jason said this to me, mybrother.
Every single song on their albumis on the Billboard charts.
SPEAKER_04 (44:37):
I'll have to check it out.
SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
Every single song.
Yeah, they've they've gottenbetter as they've aged.
That's just unheard of.
Like, yeah, all their every songis on the the charts.
I love that.
SPEAKER_04 (44:53):
I love this uh well-rounded, eclectic five
different types of music.
SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
Yeah, because he said Deftones, Fleetwood Mac,
and Kendrick Lamar.
That's a wide variety.
SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
But I love everything.
I listen, and it depends on whatmood I'm in.
When I would listen to it.
SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
But I only like older music, and I know that's
wrong, but unless it's Justinand my friends, like you know,
Luca and all these other peopleI know, I don't really listen to
new stuff because unless when Ilisten to it, I'm just like, uh,
dude, there's what our parentsand our caretakers and that
generation said, what the fuckare you kids listening to?
SPEAKER_02 (45:31):
Not really.
But there's still some greatmusic, and you'd agree, Justin.
New music coming out.
SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
I think it kind of I think there's a lot of really
good music out there.
I don't think it usually makesit to the radio.
Yeah, so we're not listening togo find it.
Uh that's the only way I hearnew music.
SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
Well, you know, I don't sit there and listen to
the album music anymore.
SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
No, it's true.
It's true.
It is hard.
Well, I I wish I had a betterway to switch.
So we gotta get your album backthere, mate.
SPEAKER_01 (46:07):
Jess, we gotta get your album out there.
And if me and Tony can help inany way, man, we're gonna try
our best.
Oh, I appreciate that.
We've got a new one coming, soand like you said, there's no
specific date, which is great.
Just know it's coming.
In the meantime, listen toFamily Tree.
SPEAKER_04 (46:20):
Yeah, in the meantime, listen to Family Tree
for sure.
Yeah, I went on a um a radioshow a couple months back, which
was cool, up in um in FortCollins, which is like an hour
north of here.
So I went went and played somesongs on there.
That was cool, and kind oftalked about the album for uh uh
45 minutes, an hour or somethinglike that.
So that was fun.
(46:41):
Um, I had an album release partyat Wibby Brewing a couple months
ago, well, the beginning ofAugust, and I um my friends uh
The Drunken Hearts also playedthat show.
So, you know, I'm getting outand kind of promoting it a
little bit.
Uh I mean I think the real thingwould probably have to be put
some money behind marketing andpublishing, but it's uh I at the
(47:01):
moment I'm just letting itorganically happen, which means
slow to know.
SPEAKER_02 (47:06):
Well, like Chris said, with our 10,000 followers,
man, you're gonna be out therenow.
SPEAKER_04 (47:11):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (47:12):
What do you mean?
I mean I'm just lighting themoff.
Here's some troops, sir.
Are you hiring?
Am I hiring?
What am I hiring?
What am I hiring?
SPEAKER_04 (47:22):
What you just said you need.
What do I need?
Oh, marketing and publishing?
SPEAKER_03 (47:27):
Yeah, more yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (47:28):
Oh, well, I'd have to find a financial backer
first.
Let me let me get the money.
You know, shorty can't eat nobooks.
Let me get the money first, youknow.
Well, let's go on Shark Tank,dude.
Fuck that.
SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
Shark Tank.
SPEAKER_04 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (47:46):
That's a that leads to something like if you're ever
like American Idol or somethinglike that.
SPEAKER_04 (47:51):
I'll give him everything.
I'll be like, I'm seeking amillion dollars for a hundred
percent of my investment.
You can have fuck it.
I need to do my work.
You can have everything.
SPEAKER_02 (48:01):
Right.
So, but that's the thing.
Have you ever like auditionedfor American Idol or any show
like that?
America's got talent.
Or thought or thought or thoughtabout, yeah, America's Got
Talent.
That's another one.
SPEAKER_04 (48:14):
Um, I've never even thought about it.
No.
Well, you might fucking blow up,dude.
After this show.
SPEAKER_03 (48:22):
Is that what I'm supposed to do next?
SPEAKER_04 (48:23):
Is this the universe telling me?
SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
Well, which one should I do?
Which one should I do?
You could be wherever you want.
And Sancho Pay with your nuts inthe sand, whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (48:43):
Jeez, somebody else don't you don't you love his
metaphors?
SPEAKER_01 (48:48):
Somebody else is in Bowen Springs right now.
Somebody's watching after yourestate and everything is great.
SPEAKER_03 (48:54):
I mean, you know, I'm gonna have to buy me a plane
ticket.
I'm heading out to San Chopetomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (49:01):
I've never been there, I've just heard it's
nice.
SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
I've seen pictures.
SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
I haven't been there either.
SPEAKER_04 (49:10):
Yeah, dude, the best thing I know is Half Moon Beach.
Like, I don't know a lot.
Oh my god.
Is that place still around?
SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
No, no.
SPEAKER_04 (49:18):
Dude, I used to go out there and with my walk man
and I would put listen to GreatWhite.
You remember Great White?
SPEAKER_02 (49:26):
Oh shit.
SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
Oh man, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (49:32):
Oh man, that oh I love my mom loved Hadley.
SPEAKER_01 (49:35):
Well, you know where Tony still goes all the time
with the kids is fuckingwatermelon park.
SPEAKER_04 (49:43):
Dude, the there's a bluegrass uh there's like a
music festival there every year.
That was let me give you alittle history here.
That that uh music festival goesback 50, 60.
I mean, I think like Johnny Cashplayed there.
Like it was like a fantasticplace.
(50:04):
And then I found out not longago that my dad and his band
played at Watermelon Park, likein the in like the earth like
the 2000s, like the early odds.
I'm like, damn man, where was I?
I was just off doing hood shit,I guess.
Yeah, right.
I'm like, damn, my dad wasplaying at Watermelon Park, man.
(50:26):
Where was I?
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
I might have been down there and be like, I'm
gonna go to the house.
I want some snacks.
SPEAKER_04 (50:32):
Now, what did your dad play?
He played guitar and sang.
And the club, the clubhouse gangis what their band was called.
Well, they had a bunch ofdifferent they had they had the
NVG band, which meant not verygood band.
They had some pretty good theclubhouse gang band.
He had some pretty good, theyjust played for fun.
SPEAKER_03 (50:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (50:53):
But the fact that they got on at Watermelon Park,
I was like, wow, that's prettycool.
SPEAKER_02 (50:58):
That's pretty cool.
Right.
So, Chris, you got anything elsefor Justin?
SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
Yeah, what platforms you can go and listen to your
music and download it right nowand help support you.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_04 (51:13):
Uh, well, if you want to buy vinyl, you can uh
hit me up.
You can hit me up on my email,JustinGarbermusic at gmail, and
I'll mail you one.
JustinGarbermusic at gmail.
Yep, that you can hit me up onthere and I'll I can sell you a
vinyl and send it through themail.
Um, that's the best way tolisten to it.
(51:35):
I mean, I'm telling you, you putit on a vinyl record player, it
is it sounds so good on there.
Um, you know, I'm on all thestreaming platforms.
SPEAKER_03 (51:48):
Spotify, Venture.
Name one, I'm on it.
Yeah, got yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:52):
When when when when the distributors distribute the
music, it goes out to everybody.
And so it's on I'm on all of thedifferent streaming platforms,
including you.
Do you have a connection withRick Rubin?
SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
Yeah, how cool would that be?
unknown (52:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (52:08):
You said you was kind of like working with him or
something, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (52:11):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not working with Rick Rubin.
My God.
SPEAKER_02 (52:15):
Well, we're gonna talk it into existence.
SPEAKER_04 (52:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, let's manifest.
SPEAKER_01 (52:19):
Let's manifest.
Dude, if you get Rick Rubin,man, you can make it.
SPEAKER_02 (52:25):
Now, now hold on.
All right, one more question.
So, what would be like their uhdream artists, I guess, to work
with?
Me?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (52:36):
Oh man.
I think right now, uh JasonIsbull, Tyler Childers, or
Sturgil Simpson.
You know, those guys are I justlove their music.
I love their songwriting.
Um and I they're like kind oflike independent artists, like
they're not like um attached tolike these big record labels and
(52:59):
stuff.
They kind of they're not therecord labels aren't telling
them what what to do.
So they're you know, all theirsongs are very uh exactly what
they want them to be.
Right.
Um, and that's kind of how I do.
I mean, uh everything I do ispaid independently through me,
nobody's telling me what to do.
Um but their songwriting is justamazing.
(53:22):
So yeah, that'd probably be thebig three right now.
It'd be awesome.
Manifest it for me.
SPEAKER_02 (53:28):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna make it happen right
here on Brothers with Opinions.
SPEAKER_04 (53:32):
That's it.
SPEAKER_02 (53:32):
Brothers with Opinions, it's my life.
It could, it could, it's 100%good.
SPEAKER_04 (53:39):
And vice versa, you can help me.
I have no doubt.
I have no doubt.
Now, Chris, you lied to me.
You said that we were gonna havesome special guests on here.
Where are they?
SPEAKER_02 (53:48):
Yeah, Chris.
SPEAKER_01 (53:49):
Just like snow in Arizona, the flakes come and go,
man.
He's just making this up as hegoes.
SPEAKER_02 (53:57):
He's good, man.
He's good.
SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
He was trying to tell me the old high school gym
coach is coming on here.
Oh Mr.
Norman said he's he's runninglate.
SPEAKER_02 (54:08):
Mr.
Norman.
Jeez.
My dude.
Go.
SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
He was cool, though.
He was cool though.
Mr.
Norman he lives in the area ofWest Regina that's like Blair
Bush area.
Yeah, no, yeah, Norman went offsupposedly he's off the grid
right now.
SPEAKER_02 (54:29):
He's still alive.
But he's off the grid.
SPEAKER_01 (54:32):
I mean, I'm not sure.
But now Tony, I thought likeRay, uh what um fucking Lucas
Hudson or someone's supposed tocome, but it's all good.
SPEAKER_02 (54:45):
Yeah, it'll be it'll be next time, Justin.
We'll have all them people.
SPEAKER_04 (54:49):
I I do want I do want to say I appreciate you
guys having me on here and uhbeing patient for the next one.
We'll get Mikey R.
Yeah, dude.
I'm telling you.
And now listen, there's notgonna be a more entertaining
episode than Mike R.
Kulin coming on here.
(55:10):
He he is so funny.
SPEAKER_02 (55:12):
Well, Justin, you were you were fun and
entertaining yourself, man.
You had you haven't changed abit.
To me, you don't look likeyou've aged a bit.
You know, you got facial hair,but you look the same as 20, 25
years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (55:25):
Hey, I'm gonna give you some good truth from too.
You see where I'm at?
In an enclosed box.
So are you?
He's outside in the sun.
There's a difference.
SPEAKER_04 (55:38):
You know, Colorado's weather's terrible.
Don't come out here.
Hey, but you've been in the skinbasket.
You would hate it.
Trust me, you'd hate it.
Don't come out here.
SPEAKER_01 (55:49):
I'd work on the ski lobes.
I work on the ski slopes andshit.
I'd probably sell hot chocolateat the cabin.
I mean, you know, sure.
SPEAKER_04 (55:57):
Go.
You should.
SPEAKER_03 (55:58):
People don't need it when they get to the city.
You guys come out.
You guys, you guys are welcomeat my home anytime.
You know that.
SPEAKER_02 (56:04):
All right, Justin.
Sounds good.
SPEAKER_03 (56:06):
I told Tony, man, tell Jason to meet us halfway.
SPEAKER_02 (56:09):
There we go.
Yeah, there we go.
SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
I would love to.
I'd love to see Jason to be.
SPEAKER_02 (56:12):
See, you and Jason can collaborate.
Straight up.
There you go.
I'm trying to make it happen.
SPEAKER_04 (56:19):
I'll write some lyrics and then he can thrash
metal.
SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
Hey, he got he got in the country for a while too.
He had a band called Damn Familyfor a while.
Did he?
Oh, yeah.
Check it out.
I gotta check that out.
They're called Damn Family, andthey they had like eight, nine
members.
They were like slitting out ofcountry.
But but no, but that dude, it'sgood.
It was good shit, but theydidn't last.
(56:44):
That's funny.
That's funny.
I appreciate you guys.
But yeah, man, I know you're atwork too.
You know, go out there and dosomething.
But but hey, man, appreciatehaving a channel.
SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
Anybody want to shout out?
Anybody you want to put on orwhatever right now?
Any events coming up?
SPEAKER_04 (57:04):
I um I'm playing at Zuni Street Brewing in December,
December 3rd, I think it is.
Um, I might be putting someAlaska dates together soon to go
up with my buddy AndrewMcConaughey uh of Drunken
Hearts.
Um, we might go up and do a duoup in the Anchorage area in
November, uh, like a week or twobefore Thanksgiving.
(57:24):
So we're trying to put thosetogether.
Um, I I want to shout out to youguys.
Thank you for for you knowhelping me come on here and
saying such kind words about thealbum.
And Chris, I won't hold itagainst you that you haven't
gotten through it yet, butyou'll listen to it tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Tony was at home all day with a fucking heating pad
on.
SPEAKER_04 (57:47):
I'm at hey, he was up all night drinking coffee, so
he didn't have anything verymuch.
Oh, yeah, you remember that,right?
SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
He didn't go to sleep since with me and my
coffee.
SPEAKER_01 (57:58):
That's why Wayne still works at Alec Myers,
because Tony keeps buying.
SPEAKER_02 (58:05):
All right, show's over.
SPEAKER_04 (58:07):
I appreciate you guys.
Hope you have a great night.
And uh, hey, let's do it againsometime.
Hey, appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_03 (58:14):
We appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_02 (58:15):
Thanks.
Take care, man.
We'll keep in touch.
SPEAKER_03 (58:18):
That sounds good.
Thanks, guys.
Yep, no problem, man.
Talk to you soon.
All right, later.
SPEAKER_02 (58:26):
So, Chris, there was Justin Carver.
It's fun having him on, man.
Having talked to that man.
25 years.
SPEAKER_01 (58:36):
That's wild.
That's why, like, we we need toget Mikey Arculan on, like we've
been talking about.
SPEAKER_02 (58:41):
Oh, we will.
We'll make it happen.
We'll get him.
SPEAKER_01 (58:43):
And you see why he's like, Where's Wayne and Zab and
all them?
I'm like, dude, I don't know,snowflaked.
SPEAKER_02 (58:48):
Right, right.
So, Chris, hey, as always, man,and enjoyed the show and enjoy
everybody for tuning in, orthank everybody for tuning in to
YouTube.
Please subscribe to our channel.
You can follow us on Facebook,Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music.
Yeah, because I'll upload theaudio of this later too as well,
(59:10):
so everybody can check us out.
But yeah, hey man, it was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (59:14):
I won't be here.
I'm gonna be celebrating myyoung lady's birthday and uh be
out of town finally.
Been working my ass off.
SPEAKER_02 (59:21):
I'll be solo.
SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
Tony's gonna be going solo, but he's gonna have
a guest on.
If somebody wants to join him inthe meantime, holler at him, let
him know.
SPEAKER_02 (59:29):
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
SPEAKER_01 (59:33):
Man, but yeah, next week, 7 p.m.
It don't matter if I'm on ornot.
Tony's gonna keep it going.
And um, you guys want to be aguest, man?
Like you said, we email us atbrothers of dependence.gmail,
uh, email Tony's email, myemail.
Like, call us, let us know, man.
And we know it's hard tosubscribe because it takes two
seconds to hit the subscribebutton, it don't cost nothing.
(59:55):
And we know that it's hard tosupport people that's from the
area because we don't havebirthdays.
Like we all say in fucking LarryBird.
You guys should think about it.
Like, you know, people that grewup on O'Brien and King Street
and Metal Breaks.
Like, maybe you should pointsomebody else.
But uh in the meantime, I'mgonna keep talking about shit
because that's what I do.
I love y'all.
(01:00:16):
I'm gonna join our Thursdaynight football game.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:18):
Alright, man.
Hey, it was it was fun.
And everybody would tune in nextweek.
I don't have a surprise, guessI'll find somebody.
But hey, everybody, enjoy.
Alright, everybody.
Take care and have a greatevening.
I thought you love it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
Alright, man, I appreciate it.
Brothers with opinions, bigvoice, no silence.
Revolution televised.
Ain't no good in private.
Knowledge to the ignorant.
Ain't never been bliss.
Stand up and be heard.
We the new activists.
Yeah.
Brothers with opinion, let theconvo begin.
You know communication key, butthen you must comprehend.
(01:00:57):
Breach BW roll, let your voicesbe heard.
We enlightened by the truth, andnow we spreadin' the word.
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Most people fail before theystart.
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unknown (01:01:33):
You know communication.
What's up, everybody?
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Welcome back to another episode of VWL.
This is about the eighth nightepisode.
We've gone live on YouTube.
But each week, like we told you,is gonna keep getting better and
better.
So while I'm in New York, pony'sdown in Winchester for most
people.
The man himself, the one andwhen Justin Garber, the
musician, is in the building.
I know y'all haven't seen him ina while because I probably
(01:01):
haven't seen you, Justin, inwhat?
25 years?
25 years.
25 years since we were runningthe streets of Winchester.
It's like you've never left, andvice versa, because I don't live
there either.
But man, we're excited to haveyou on.
Talk about what you got going onin life, how dope you are as a
musician, and like you said,whatever else comes off top.
So, Tony, take us away, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
Yeah, so Justin, welcome to Brothers with
Opinions.
Glad to have you on.
Like Chris said, man, the lasttime I probably saw you was 25
years ago.
I know.
It's been a while.
But uh, man, glad to have you onand you know, talk about your
journey through through life,basically.
Like, you know, you got a yougot an album out, and you can
(01:42):
talk about that and talk aboutyour new footage.
SPEAKER_04 (01:44):
I got a bee following me around right now.
Oh that's so yeah, man.
Excited to be here.
Good to see you guys.
Probably the last time I waswith you, Tony.
We were probably coming backfrom Nissan Pavilion in that in
that ecano line.
SPEAKER_02 (02:08):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
That's my favorite band.
You know how I am.
That's my favorite band.
Red Hot Chili Peppers.
I thought they're fucking dope.
And they spoke what's happeningin life now in the late 90s.
SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
So, Justin, so Justin, take us on your journey,
man.
It's it's pretty interesting.
And I and I told Chris when wegot off the phobia, I said, man,
he's an inspiration, but goahead, tell it like tell how you
started it, you know, yourmusical.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
You are, brother.
Be proud, man.
We're excited to have you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:37):
Well, I'm proud, but I appreciate those kind words.
That's nice.
Uh, you know, my life journey isprobably not the same as my
musical journey, you know.
My my musical journey would bemore starting late in life, you
know.
I didn't pick up the guitaruntil I was 28.
So uh let that be a lesson topeople that, you know, feel like
(02:58):
they wish they would startthings sooner.
You know, there's it's never toolate.
The earth keeps turning, youknow.
Right.
The years are gonna go by nomatter what.
So I picked it up at 28, and uh,I was still living in Charleston
and wasn't taking it superserious, but when my wife Ashley
and I moved to Colorado, I endedup meeting a good friend Matt
out here and um took lessonsfrom him pretty much every week
(03:22):
for five years and really duginto it and was writing songs.
And honestly, you know, after myparents passed away, I really
was just writing what would beconsidered just poetry, right?
And then those that poetryturned into songs, you know,
through my learning to play theguitar, provided me an outlet to
(03:44):
actually write, be a songwriter.
So um, you know, and then uhthrough a series of friendships
and meeting some good friends inthe music industry, you know,
and uh being pushed in the rightdirection to just kind of take
the leap of faith of going outand playing live and going and
recording music.
(04:04):
And so it's been a really funjourney.
You know, my my first like liveshow probably wasn't until 2019.
You know, some somewhere aroundthere, 20 no, that's not true.
2017, 18, 19, somewhere inthere.
SPEAKER_02 (04:21):
Yeah, that's we know we're we're known with sometime
around there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Somewhere in there.
SPEAKER_04 (04:26):
You know, I mean I I make the point that I haven't
been playing music all my life,you know.
And uh and I I'm I'm proud ofthat.
I think a lot of famousmusicians, not that I'm a famous
musician, but a lot of peoplethat are well-known musicians
have been playing their wholelife, you know, and I think that
it should be known that you, youknow, you can pick it up at any
(04:46):
time and just go play.
SPEAKER_02 (04:48):
And and and that's why I was saying Chris, because
I was like, it's never too late.
You just said it, you know,never too late.
The world keeps turning, youknow, to do something.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Might as well go do what you want to do.
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
My job every day and doing certain different things,
but at the end of the day, Ialso don't want to be broke
while I make those decisions.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Well, I have a day job.
I have, you know, I'm I'm lucky.
I have a job that I love.
I care for a a property inColorado that um allows me the
ability to.
I mean, I'm working right now,so you know, I I feel pretty
lucky to be a good one.
SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
Really, you're working right now on our show.
SPEAKER_04 (05:27):
I'm working, I'm working.
Technically, I'm on the clock.
SPEAKER_03 (05:32):
I'm on the clock.
SPEAKER_04 (05:33):
Uh you know.
Um, yeah, you know, I I I makemusic at this point in my life
because I want to, and it's fun,and I love it, and it's art and
it's a form of expression, andI'm not tied to being forced to
do anything.
I'm not I don't have to go makemusic to make money.
I don't have to play shows tomake money.
I play it because I I playbecause I love to, and uh I hope
(05:57):
to continue to do that.
I think everyone has a dream ofbeing a big rock and roll star,
and of course that would be cooltoo.
But you know, I I like my life.
I enjoy my life.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
Now now, now one question, you mentioned you
you're married, which I didn'tknow, just found that out.
So uh how how did your wifesupport you along, you know?
Because I'm sure you're like, ohyeah, I'm gonna pick up the
guitar, I'm gonna try musicbecause most significant others,
I guess, are very supportive,you know, a lot of times, like,
oh, you're nuts.
SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
You know, so how crazy.
We're all so crazy.
Uh Ashley and I have beentogether 24 years.
She's from Winchester as well.
You see how Tony said he didn'tknow that?
You said 20 Tony.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
That's like a year after you've seen him.
SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
Tony and I probably had stopped tank uh hanging out
maybe like a year or two beforeI met Ashley.
And I and when I met Ashley, Iwas we were only dating for like
a year before I left.
SPEAKER_01 (06:56):
But she recognized early on that Tony wasn't gonna
be somebody she wanted you tohang around.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
See, that's why.
That's why you cut me off.
SPEAKER_04 (07:06):
But but to the question, she she's very
supportive.
Ashley is a very, verysupportive person in my life for
all angles.
It doesn't not just music, butfor everything.
Um, you know, I mean, I guessthe real answer is, you know,
she lets me follow my passions,my dreams, my whatever I'm
(07:26):
interested in, and vice versa.
I do that too, you know?
Um so you know, I'd I thinkthat's all that it really takes.
I don't think it has to be asuper complicated answer.
SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
Yes, right.
Well, hey.
SPEAKER_04 (07:39):
She's just there, you know.
If if if I if it's somethingthat I want to do that's
constructive and healthy andgood and artistic, then go for
it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
You know, you said she's from Winchester.
Did she go to Hanley?
Yeah, she went to Hanley.
96?
SPEAKER_04 (07:53):
Nope, she's younger than we are.
SPEAKER_01 (07:56):
Not probably not me then.
SPEAKER_04 (08:00):
Maybe.
Let's see, she graduated in2000.
Yeah, she's younger.
She's younger.
SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
Yeah, already.
See, gotcha.
SPEAKER_04 (08:09):
2001, 2002.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Oh, that's for my wife.
Guess what?
We all find what we find, andvice versa.
When God wants it to happen, andeven if you don't believe in him
or her, the higher power, ithappens when it's supposed to
happen.
That's right.
Yeah, so I don't like that.
Okay, are you mad?
Yes, they are mad.
Because you're 40 now, so you'rehoping in 40 years you date
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somebody who's just now born.
Like, good luck.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
You find love how you find it,whatever else.
And of course, when there's thatmuch years, it could be money
and stuff involved.
But regardless, if he's happy,who cares?
That's right.
That's Justin.
If you're happy, that's all thatmatters, brother.
Yeah, she's not even that muchyounger, she's just younger than
me, and I'm younger than y'all.
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Tony and those guys are bornwith Vietnam and from I was born
with Jimmy Carter and Reagan.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
I'm so old to Chris.
You know, just because I'm bodydoesn't mean I'm that old.
All right.
So it happens to the best of us.
I don't have the beautiful locksthat you know, like Justin has.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
You tried to.
You're a wife, your wife.
SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
I can see, I can see why you guys call this brothers
with opinions because you guysare like two like real brothers
that just fight about yourbrothers.
Yeah, right.
Absolutely.
I'm just gonna sit back and letyou guys go.
Right, just let us just let usgo.
You guys figure this out.
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
No matter what we say, so Justin.
I'll be here if you needanything.
Some people may agree withcertain things, either one of us
say, and they may not, but it'sstill really just our opinion.
We're not telling you to youknow live and die by the code of
what we say or not, but it's ouropinion, take it for what it is,
right?
SPEAKER_05 (09:49):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
I mean, I'm I'm here to support you guys, you know.
Yeah, we really had two catsfrom your class on in the
beginning.
Yeah, did you?
It was Wayne Rush and ZebWeaver.
SPEAKER_04 (09:59):
Oh my boys.
Yeah, they both didn't.
Wayne and I Wayne and I, beforeI left for college, we used to
hang out all the time because weworked together at Hyleigh
Myers.
We were delivering furniture.
Wayne's still there.
SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
Just no you had me for a minute.
SPEAKER_05 (10:18):
You had me in the first half.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
Oh no, Wayne's my best friend, man.
I love him, man.
But you know about that.
They were already playing theshow before me.
SPEAKER_04 (10:31):
Right.
Yeah.
No, Wayne.
Well, I he's a good dude.
I haven't talked to him or seenhim in 25 years either.
SPEAKER_02 (10:38):
Yeah, right.
Right?
Yeah.
So back back on topic.
Let's get back to Justin Garber,the musician.
Let's go through your uh pickyour brain.
Like, how do you go through yourwriting pro your creative
process of writing because youtalked about a little bit about,
you know, it's a whole differentanimal songwriting.
So do you like lock yourself ina closet like main or the tour
(10:59):
or something, you know?
SPEAKER_04 (11:01):
Yeah.
Is that what he does?
SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
Uh yeah, that's what I ready does and takes like
whatever drugs, you know, tocome up with it.
Interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:10):
Um, you know, it's funny, my my um my songwriting
kind of just came out ofnowhere.
I I didn't actually like one dayjust say, I want to be a
songwriter, and then startwriting songs.
I actually was just kind of likewriting a lot of thoughts and
feelings and uh things about myparents after they passed away.
And I think it just was likethis cathartic uh thing that I
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was doing to just kind of likeget it out.
And uh, you know, and then oneday I was like, oh, it kind of
sounds like a song.
And then I just kind of pickedup the guitar and was playing
around.
And and I will say that, youknow, after I started digging
into it, I bought some books onsongwriting to like try to hone
my skill.
(11:51):
So I've definitely like readbooks on songwriting.
There's some really good stuffout there, you know.
I've studied other artists'songwriting styles and skills
and stuff, but honestly, it justit kind of comes natural.
I don't really think about ittoo much.
Um I'll hear different uhmetaphors and similes and these
(12:12):
little sayings that like peoplesay, and I'll just write it down
because it sounds cool, andsometimes it becomes a song.
Like my grandmother had a sayingmy whole life since I was a
little kid don't trade thethrill of a moment for a
lifetime of misery.
And I've pretty much lived bythat my whole life.
I probably kept me out oftrouble at parties at high
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school.
I'd be like, I'd be like, ah,you know, this kind of seems
like I should probably get outof here, you know.
And um I kind of thought thatwhen I was young.
Yeah, I kind of thought that itwas like a cool saying could be
a cool song.
So I actually have a song calledThe Key to Life that I wrote
from the perspective of like twocowboys searching for this guy
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who has the key to life, andthey find him in the desert
right before he's about to die,and they kind of ask him to
share what the key to life isbefore he dies, and with his
last breath, he says that thekey to life is to not trade the
thrill of a moment for alifetime of misery.
And so, you know, just likedifferent trying to like
creative angles of songwritingand things like that, you know.
(13:17):
Just thoughts that pop in myhead.
I think in some ways it is hardto explain.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
Oh, I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
You do some of your inspirations though, as far as
songwriting, because there canbe a difference between a
performer and a singer than asongwriter.
So, who are some of yourinspirations in that aspect?
SPEAKER_04 (13:42):
You know, um inspirations that I am like, you
know, that I kind of zero in ontoday in my life would be like
Jason Isbull, um Tom Petty,George Harrison from the
Beatles, um Virgil Simpson.
Like kind of, you know, it's aplethora of different people,
(14:05):
but um growing up, I listened toa lot of different music that my
dad was interested in, you know,like Led Zeppelin and The Doors
and the Beatles and all kinds ofdifferent and I was always
paying attention to the lyrics,even back then.
SPEAKER_05 (14:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:19):
Like like the singing of the words and what
the words mean, and is there astory?
Like it always from uh being alittle kid, and then you know,
once I was growing up in theearly 90s, going into um you
know, the grunge era of likeNirvana and shit, Nirvana and
Pearl Jam and sound like I amstill a diehard Pearl Jam fan.
(14:43):
Like Pearl Jam.
I mean, you know, Eddie Vetter'ssongwriting is phenomenal.
Like I absolutely love thoseguys, and so you know, then I
kind of went into that, and thenas I got older and in my 20s, I
kind of gravitate gravitatedtowards like The Grateful Dead
and Widespread Panic and AlmondBrothers and kind of the jam
(15:05):
band scene.
Um, and then once I startedwriting songs and playing guitar
and and stuff, I one day waslike, wow, that's kind of weird
that I my songs sound more likecountry songs or like Americana
songs when I never really gotinto that music that much.
And then so then I dove reallydeep into bluegrass and country,
(15:30):
like more like the outlawcountry, um, but like Yonder
Mountain String Band, um uh theDel McCurry band, and you know,
just all kinds of differentbluegrass, um and then like
country music, like kind ofgoing back far as I like Wayland
(15:52):
Jennings and Willie Nelson andjust trying to like see all
these different angles.
And I can't say that I knowtheir catalog better than a lot
of people, you know.
Like there's people thatprobably can tell you every song
from every album, but I reallyjust kind of would learn their
different styles, and you justnaturally pull a little bit from
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everybody, and you just haveyour own little style, you know?
Right is Led Zeppelin the bestband ever.
They're definitely one of themfor sure.
For sure.
We'll get into that.
SPEAKER_03 (16:26):
Yeah, everybody kind of messing up Tony's questions,
man.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
He's got no Beatles, but I think Led Zeppelin might
be a hit of a man.
It's just the Beatles have thesongs, they're worldwide famous,
they're from but Led Zeppelindude, Jimmy Page, that whole
band is fucking fire.
SPEAKER_04 (16:43):
There's a really good uh new documentary on Led
Zeppelin that I've been uh likehalfway through.
It's it's fantastic.
It's really cool to see to see.
Like, I think it's on Netflix.
There's a lot of uh like oldinterviews and stuff.
It's really cool.
It's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (16:58):
Okay, I'd I'll have to check that out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:00):
And yeah, I mean, I just I dove pretty deep into the
Beatles.
I think anybody that likes musicat some point in time has a
Beatles face, you know.
Whether they're your favoriteband or not, you have to kind of
go and figure it out and seetheir their trajection of like
starting off as this little fabfloor, you know, almost like
(17:20):
poppy band, and then you know,they started taking psychedelics
and they turned into this kindof like psychedelic band, you
know, um, into like true rockand roll.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Um they're considered the greatest band.
To me, I think they'reconsidered the greatest band
because people say them all thefucking time.
SPEAKER_04 (17:40):
Well, I mean, you know, I I don't think you could
say the Beatles uh you you can'targue against it really too
much.
It's kind of hard.
I mean, there are other bands.
I mean Led Zeppelin is up therefor sure, but it also depends.
Here's the thing I love aboutmusic there's something for
everybody, right?
Like you don't have to like theBeatles at all.
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Maybe you like Mozart and Bachand Alabama and Tchaikovsky, or
maybe you love bluegrass andnothing else, you know.
Maybe you love heavy metal ordeath metal or thrash metal,
like there's something foreverybody.
I personally love all of it.
I I'll I'll go to heavy metalconcerts, bluegrass concerts,
rock and roll, country.
(18:22):
You know, I'll I'll I'll take itall in.
SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
Right.
I I'm trying to turn Chris onthe metal, but I can't get him
there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
Because I grew up on Guns and Roses and Metallica AC
DC.
I didn't grow up on you can gosee them.
unknown (18:37):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (18:39):
I just like saw Guns N' Roses like two or two or
three years ago.
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (18:44):
I I just asked Tony before we got on the show
tonight.
I'm like, have you seen them andACDC?
He said, No.
I said, Yeah, well, if they goon tour, let me know.
SPEAKER_04 (18:53):
Yeah.
My nephew, my nephew is a uh adrummer and like uh I don't know
what how he would classify it.
To me, it's like kind of like athrash metal, heavy metal band.
They were the hair metal bandsof our time, and they were
they're awesome.
Uh I love see poison.
I wouldn't tell poison as one ofmy first concerts when I was
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like nine years old.
It's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Oh no, I didn't know he was out there running around
on a newer song of theirs.
Justin, you remember theconcert?
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
You remember the concert we went to?
We went to a bunch.
Well, the first one.
Metallica.
SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
Oh, Metallica, where corrosion of conformity opened.
SPEAKER_02 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:39):
That was 97, right?
The load tour.
SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
Uh 96, 90, something like that.
SPEAKER_04 (19:45):
Something in there.
I think it was the load tour.
Yeah, that was at the the paywhen they called it the Patriots
Center.
SPEAKER_02 (19:50):
Or was it called USA Arena at the time?
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
Uh I don't, I don't remember.
That's a Fairfax.
SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so you're journey.
Let's talk about your album.
Sure.
Uh your debut album, correct?
Yeah.
So yes.
Family tree.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Whoever did that man time was that shit's fire.
Oh, yeah, the artwork.
SPEAKER_04 (20:16):
That's Katie Malvey, Mark Malvey's wife.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
So shout out to Katie because that was shout out
to Katie.
SPEAKER_04 (20:22):
She's a phenomenal artist.
Yeah.
Yeah, it looked dope, man.
It still looks dope.
So, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
Yeah, she's fantastic.
SPEAKER_04 (20:28):
That actually is a um it's oil painting on wood.
And then my friend took a photoof it.
So that's an actual like pieceof art.
It's not um that's not digital.
SPEAKER_02 (20:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (20:40):
That's an actual oil painting.
Yeah, she's fantastic.
Well, no lie.
I think it's dope.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (20:47):
Nice.
So I listened to your wholealbum today.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
Wonderful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:52):
And I I feel you have a touch of blues in it,
like you say, bluegrass.
Yeah.
A little bit, you know, feel init, and American old school
country.
You think so, Crazy?
You listen or not?
Be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
I only got to listen to three stars.
Dude, I got off.
I told you I've still listenedto something.
SPEAKER_03 (21:12):
He's been working since May 9th, you know, since
he's been out.
He ain't had time.
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
He hasn't had time since May 9th.
SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
I don't, I don't know if it's got any jazz in
there.
It definitely has uh rock androll, bluegrass.
There is some blues feelings inthere for sure.
Some country.
Right.
Uh, yeah.
unknown (21:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
So I'll put up, I'll put us at like one song I really
got out with was Hearts andHands.
Yeah.
I like that one.
So could you tell a little storyabout like, and also River Back
Home.
Of course, obviously, that'sgotta be the Shenandoah River,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (21:50):
You know, here's the thing about songwriting is
however it connects to you iswhat it is what it is.
Yeah, but it is if to you inyour heart it was the Shenandoah
River, then that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (22:04):
But you're right.
That's the great peopleinterpret it the way they want,
you know, how they connect toit.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:09):
It's it's it's however you connect it.
If if somebody in Colorado mightsay that's the Colorado River,
you know.
It's whatever river you want itto be.
unknown (22:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Uh but no, I would love to share with you the story
of Hearts and Hands because itis written about uh the night
that my mom passed away.
And uh when she got really sick,I was lucky enough to actually
be back home.
It was a time when I was closeto home.
And so I spent the last threeweeks with her by her bedside,
(22:41):
and I kind of told her, youknow, no matter where you are in
the world, that we can look upat the moon and and be
connected.
And so when I look at the moon,I I think of my mom.
And so the the story is aboutwhat's happening at that moment,
her passing away, and us beingconnected through the moon.
(23:01):
And our hearts and hands areconnected and held together
through the universe, basically.
Nice, so yeah, it's a it's ait's a uh sometimes I have a
hard time singing it, uh, so Itry not to think about it too
much, but uh I love it.
It's uh it's a meaningful songto me.
SPEAKER_02 (23:21):
Yeah, that's that's the great thing about music,
like it's therapy, yeah, in alot of way, correct?
SPEAKER_04 (23:26):
Right?
For sure, for sure.
And you know, it's interesting.
It's like I've I was talking tosomebody not long ago about it,
and you know, my parents, my momand dad passed away pretty close
to each other, 2011 and 2013.
And then that's when my musicaljourney really kind of started
to go.
And it's kind of funny, liketheir passing was the
(23:48):
inspiration for my writing.
It's when the poetry startedflowing, it's when the
songwrites, songwriting startedto to form.
It's just it just, yeah, like mymy whole universe changed, and
then therefore I was like justkind of uh finding uh therapy
through songwriting and musicand stuff, and so uh, you know,
(24:12):
it was kind of born from that.
Um, and so the reason thealbum's called Family Tree is
because a lot of the songs haveto do with my family.
Uh, so you know, uh Hearts andHands is about my mom, Key to
Life was from the saying of mygrandmother, Standing on the
Shoulders came from aconversation that I had with my
grandmother on the way to workone morning.
(24:33):
Uh Flying Free is about my dadpassing away.
Um, instantly is about dreamingabout my mom.
And instantly was the first songI wrote.
And I wrote it probably a monthafter she passed away in 2011,
and it literally just came out.
(24:54):
I it's hard to explain.
Songwriting is a really weirdthing, you know, it's just kind
of gumps.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
It's a very personal album.
Yeah, and I kind of and I kindof felt that listening to it.
SPEAKER_04 (25:05):
Yeah, and so you know, it it was uh putting that
album together, recording it,releasing it to the world was
kind of like a way for me tosay, okay, here it is, right?
Like this is what I wentthrough.
I want to share it with theworld.
Um, and now that that you knowhas been released and is behind
(25:27):
me, my songwriting style ischanging a little bit.
You know, I'm writing songsabout other things other than my
parents, and my songwriting'skind of sad.
You know, like I just I kind ofwrite about sad stuff, but I
it's just what comes, you know.
It's like uh it's something thatpeople can connect to.
Um, I think we're all goingthrough something all the time,
(25:48):
you know.
Uh so I feel like my songspeople can connect to, but they
are they can be on the sad side.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Right, right.
Yeah, I think one one was alittle upbeat, I'll say.
I can't remember the exact nameof it.
SPEAKER_04 (26:05):
Yeah, the the the first song, Down to the Water.
Yeah, well, that that one andeverything.
That was pretty upbeat.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Other than that, just get a12-pack of beer and sit in and
drown in your sorrows.
SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
It's supposed to, it's supposed to take you on a
journey, you know.
I when I was a kid and and Iwould get like a new album, a
new, you know, you save up allyour money to get a new CD or
whatever, and you hit play andyou just let it go, right?
Like you're not skipping songs.
So to me, uh, you know, you wantit to have a flow.
It has highs and lows, and youcan't just be up here all the
(26:41):
time on your songs.
It can't just be like highenergy all the time, it can't be
low energy, it has to have aflow.
And so, you know, I tried tocreate that with the the
organization of the the songsand where they are on the album
so that it's kind of takes youon a journey, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
Nice.
Well, it sure did.
So also you have another albyou're working on another album,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (27:07):
I am, yeah.
Yeah, I got 12 songs.
Uh I'm not quite finished, um,but I'm definitely probably
two-thirds of the way there.
I don't have a timeline oranything.
I'm just kind of moving throughit.
But uh, yeah, no, I love it.
I feel like my songwriting hasevolved.
Um uh so I'm excited to releaseit whenever it happens.
(27:31):
Um, because it's definitely abig growth time in my
songwriting and playing and andand everything.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
So, like any special guests, like big names on any
songs?
SPEAKER_04 (27:44):
You know, I mean, I feel like my album has big names
on it, you know.
Uh Dave Johnson from YonderMountain String Band played
banjo and co-produced the lastalbum.
Um the producer, John McVeigh atCinder Sound, you know, they're
Grammy nominated.
And and uh, you know, Yonder umdid their does their albums with
(28:06):
John as well, and they alltogether were nominated like two
years ago for a Grammy.
Um, nice.
You know, and I mean all theguys are amazing on that album.
Alex Johnson, Greg Garrison,James Dumb, Eric Moon.
I mean, they're all fantastic.
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Adam Angelov played electricguitar on three songs.
He's the guitar player in YonderMountain String Band.
He usually plays acousticguitar, but he played electric
on a couple songs.
So, I mean, it's pretty good.
And I have the majority of thosepeople coming back.
I have a different bass player,um, Brad Morse.
He plays with the gasolinelollipops that he's playing.
(28:48):
Um but mostly the same people onthis new album.
I I do have a couple new uh anew instrument, a couple new
instruments I have uh that thatweren't on the last one.
I have a fiddle on a couplesongs and um and a pedal steel
guitar, but I don't have thatrecorded yet, so I can't share
(29:10):
with you who that's gonna be.
SPEAKER_02 (29:12):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (29:13):
Because it's not it's not done.
SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
See, so that's that bluegrass roots.
SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
Bluegrass and blues for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How did you get to be featuredand do the opening um Star
Spangled Banner at the Rockiesgame?
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Yeah, we gotta talk about that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
You know, it was a bucket list item.
SPEAKER_04 (29:34):
I didn't know I wanted you know, Mark Mark, I
I'm gonna tip my hat to MarkMalvey for for uh helping me.
Is that Katie's husband?
That's Katie's Mark's fromWinchester.
You probably know him.
Mark went to Hanley, hegraduated in I don't know, two
thousand one maybe.
Something like that.
Um Mark sent me a video of thisgirl last year.
(30:00):
Singing the national anthem andshe just botched it pretty bad.
Um, it's a really hard song tosing, so I can't really give
shade to anybody that has messedit up.
But um, he sent me this videoand I just was like, man, I I
could probably even I could dobetter than that, you know, as a
joke.
And he was like, All right, thendo it.
(30:22):
And so I contacted the Rockiesand they were like, Well, you
gotta, we already have itplanned for this year.
You can you can hit us up nextyear.
And uh a friend gave me theright email of the person that
who actually does the booking,and so I was able to find out
who it was that I needed toemail.
(30:43):
And I emailed them, kind of notreally expecting to hear back.
She emails me and said, youknow, here's this opportunity.
Would you like to do it?
And full disclosure, mygrandmother had just passed
away.
I was like in the trenches and Iwas back home kind of dealing
with some stuff, and I get thisemail, and I'm like, oh man,
(31:05):
that's really cool.
Like, I'm not gonna say no.
My grandmother would be sostoked if I like you know, I'm
not gonna say no, you know, eventhough I got all stuff going on.
I said, Yeah, when do you wantme to do it?
And they like three weeks.
It's like, all right, so I gotthree weeks to prepare.
But you know, I I did it and itwas awesome, and I'd love to do
(31:26):
it again.
It was fantastic, and uh yeah,after I got done, that's what I
was saying was it was a bucketlist item I didn't know I wanted
in my life, but man, what anexperience! It's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's awesome.
When we saw, we're like, holyshit, it's like he's doing the
damn national anthem in Iraqisgame.
It's like he's made he's made itnow.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
Is that is that is that the uh that's the
barometer?
That's how you uh I mean thatthat definitely I mean it's I
mean it's pretty big to me.
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
Yeah, it's big to me too, for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah.
They have people like KurtCobain and Michael Jackson and
Whitney Houston and shit.
They don't just have regulars.
Kurt Cobain sang the nationalanthem?
Did he for real?
It's only great musicians orfamous people.
They let them try and then useit.
Hold on.
We got we gotta iron this out.
(32:19):
Did Kurt Cobain sing thenational anthem?
He tried.
When I don't know, I don'tremember exactly when we were
kids, and I don't remembertalking about it.
Some some some tells me.
(32:45):
I had a good time.
Yeah, you were on national TVand everything, dude.
That was dope.
SPEAKER_04 (32:49):
We me and Tom was telling everybody tune in, like
you know, and if Mark Malveydidn't push me to do it, I I
wouldn't have been so excited.
So props to Mark.
And you might do it again now.
I mean, I would love to do itagain.
I probably would be a little bitmore prepared than three weeks.
Yeah, now you're gonna be a goodone.
You know, it's funny, it's oneof those things where you're
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like, oh man, I it seems likenot very much time.
But then again, like, do youwant six months to think about
it?
Probably not, you know.
I don't want to be up four orfive times.
I want to stress about it, youknow.
But it was it was good.
It was a very good experience.
And I will say the Rockiesorganization was very welcoming,
they were awesome.
And uh in the mail, about amonth later, came this like
(33:32):
framed photo from the Rockiesorganization of me singing it,
and I was real I thought thatwas a really cool gesture that
they sent that to me.
So it was really cool.
Yeah.
Did you ever perform in theBattle of the Bands at Hanley?
No, no.
In fact, funny story about that.
Funny story about that.
(33:52):
I used to have really bad stagefright.
Like being a musician now in mylife, it's kind of funny to look
back and think about like that Ihow scared I was to like get up
in front of the class and likeread my book report or
something, you know.
But Mike R.
Kulin, Mike R.
Kullen asked me if I would playthe intro on the harmonica to
(34:13):
that weezer song.
Um, and uh, I was like, yeah, soI practiced in my bedroom for
like weeks, and then the daycame and he's like, All right,
let's go.
And I'm like, nah, I can't doit.
I can't do it, I can't do it,and I didn't do it.
SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
I didn't do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Yeah, you know, uh, so that would have been my
Mike's actually a good musician.
He's fantastic, he's great.
He's great.
If he if if you play him a songand then you hand him the
guitar, he'll play it.
It's I don't know how he doesit.
He's done it forever.
It's like some somehow he'll helike just figures it out.
(34:55):
I don't know.
Yeah, no, he's great, he'sgreat, and he's an even better
human being.
SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Yeah, we'd love to have him on sometime too.
SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
We've been talking about we should totally have him
on.
I love him so much.
Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
Mike's a good dude.
Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, Iwanted to ask, you know, since
we're getting short on time andwe got Thursday night football
in our own.
SPEAKER_03 (35:19):
We're not short on time.
We got 25, 26 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
What I gotta I gotta keep I love it, but Justin
Justin's loving it.
SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Listen, Tony's gotta go make coffee, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
No, he's actually I'm drinking water because I
have a uh not urinary tract, ifuh kidney stones, small kidney
stones.
We'll just put it out there.
Uh I gotta suck this water down.
SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Well, when we're not on air, I'll I'll send you a
phone number somewhere to helpyou with that.
That's okay.
That's not the same series.
I'm serious.
Right.
I'm serious.
SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
But uh anyway, I wanted to ask you, what are you
listening to these days?
Like any like anything, likewhat's in your playlist right
now?
All right.
SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
So I've been really listening to okay, so
music-wise, I've been listeningto Tyler Childers' new uh album,
Snipe Hunter.
It was produced by Rick Rubin.
I love Tyler Childers, hissongwriting is amazing.
He kind of was born out of thislike Kentucky country,
bluegrassy, well, more country.
(36:27):
Um and now this new album withRick Rubin producing it, it's
kind of like almost got likethis really big band style
sound.
But his songwriting is socatchy, and uh like you have to
really, really pay attention tounderstand what he's singing
(36:47):
about.
It's really cool.
So I've been digging that albuma lot, but if you want the real
answer, I've been listening to alot of books on grief because my
grandmother passed away.
And so a lot of people a lot ofpeople don't like to talk about
death and grief and that kind ofstuff.
I'm not afraid to talk about it,but we don't have we don't have
to talk about it that long.
But I've been listening to a lotof audio books on uh grief and
(37:11):
people who have crossed over andhow to deal with that, and uh a
lot of like uh just kind ofbooks on wisdom and Ram Das and
things like that.
So I've been kind of ravaging alot of books on that.
Um and I listen to audiobooks,that's why I say I'm listening.
SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
Hey, that hey, that's how you deal with it and
cope with it, and that's how youlearn your thing.
SPEAKER_04 (37:36):
Yeah, it's good.
But uh uh Rod's Dread Panic justreleased a great album from the
90s, uh, like a live album fromthe 90s that I've been listening
to.
Um I listened to a lot of theDrunken Hearts albums.
Uh they have some great stuffthat came out a year or so ago.
So I love those guys.
(37:57):
Um yeah, just been kind ofdigging into to whatever comes
out.
Right, new new music.
SPEAKER_02 (38:06):
Right.
Well, have you well my my youknow, I'll give mine, Chris.
Do you have a list of whatyou've been listening to?
Anything?
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
It's not anything new.
Yeah, that's it.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Come on, like what do you listento?
SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
Pit us with it.
Like I said, what's what do youlisten to on the regular?
At least not right now.
SPEAKER_01 (38:27):
Like Justin's saying, like with audiobooks and
stuff, I listen to mostlypodcasts and stuff, so because
I'm at work so much, and thenwhen I get home it's late night,
so there's nobody to hang outwith, there's nobody around.
The wife, the kid, the friends,everybody's asleep.
So I watch a lot of podcasts,but most of mine are
entertainment-wise.
So it's Dylan's.
SPEAKER_04 (38:46):
Which ones do you watch?
Like uh Burt Kreischer and stufflike that, or I'll be honest
with you, I don't know who thatis.
unknown (38:54):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
He just turned us on then.
SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
Tony, he said, what?
Hold on, hold on, real quick,Justin.
Tony, do you know who that is?
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
Justin said, No, I don't.
I've never no.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
First of all, I will but we don't know who that other
person is either.
SPEAKER_04 (39:11):
So who is this?
Listen, when you when when youhave this time you just spoke
about tonight when alleverybody's going to sleep, go
go and watch Bert Kreisherstand-up.
Yeah, it's likeK-R-E-I-S-C-H-E-R or something
like that.
Okay.
He is hilarious.
He is so funny.
(39:32):
So he's a fantastic comedian,but he also does podcasts.
And his podcasts are great.
He has musicians on.
Um, so I watched some of hisstuff where he has musicians on.
He's awesome.
Um, and I can actually say thathe's a nice person because I met
him this summer at a widespreadpanic concert of all places, and
he was a really cool dude.
(39:53):
He was very down-to-earth, verynice.
Um, and for as famous as he is,you just never know.
But he was really cool.
Yeah, Burt Kreischer, man.
He was awesome.
Okay.
What podcasts are you listeningto, then?
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
I'm interested.
I'm gonna be honest.
There's people I listen to thatI don't always know who they
are, but I find them all thetime.
There's this one skinny whitekid.
He's not a kid, he's probably inhis 30s.
He jokes and calls anybody out,but he uses the audience very
well.
So I watch his a lot.
SPEAKER_02 (40:23):
Chris is like me.
He he knows the face, but notthe name.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
And I'll watch people from the area.
There's this guy, this white guyfrom like Strasburg Central
area.
He's got his podcast, JoshKirby.
Our buddies that that actuallyis Tony's brother-in-law,
Dwayne.
They have a sports podcast,like, and they're from
Berryville.
So I watch little things likethat.
But he passes the time by and Itry to be supportive.
(40:50):
But I'll definitely tune in toBert because you know I can't
knock anything until I watch itand listen.
SPEAKER_04 (40:55):
He is hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (40:57):
Just go watch his stand-up.
Go watch stand-up.
I would have loved George Carlinall the time.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
And now I love to watch it.
Fantastic, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that is one when Iwas younger, I would watch a lot
of stand-up.
Uh Chris Rock, Bigger andBlacker, has to be one of the
best stand-ups of all time.
SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Then he's smaller than Blacker, but that's cool.
SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
Nah, and then uh, you know, like the early Dave
Chappelle stand-up stuff, you'rekilling him softly.
Ah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (41:25):
Well, Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle's one of the
fires as comedians.
He doesn't give a fuck.
I love that about him.
SPEAKER_04 (41:33):
He's amazing.
You know what though?
I think he does, and I thinkthat everybody thinks that he
doesn't, and he's like, No, I docare, and that's but I'm also
gonna make a joke about it sothat you get so that you get the
joke, you know.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, that's his own takeon it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So my favorite actor comedians,if we have to get into that part
real quick, would be Bernie Mackand John Candy.
And that's not a comedy I think.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
Chris loves doing lists, Justin, like top five,
top ten, anything.
SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
So, just in general, though, I'll there's a
documentary coming out onOctober 6th of John Candy, and
it's fucking done by RonReynolds.
Oh man, somebody, dude, it'sabout John Candy.
I'm excited for it.
It'll be great.
SPEAKER_04 (42:20):
I don't think anybody could have guessed that
those would be your twofavorite, though.
You got Bernie Mac and JohnCandy.
SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
You brought two opposite sides of the spectrum.
SPEAKER_01 (42:29):
They're fucking awesome.
They're they're fantastic.
Yeah, they're also they're frommy childhood, though.
So I think I'm very nostalgic,and I love to go back to my
childhood.
So that's why I'm Guns N' Roses.
My first battle of the bands Iheard was Welcome to the No, it
was it was Welcome to theJungle, and and another band
that did um that same night atHanley in '99.
(42:51):
No, ninety-nine, eighty-nine wasalso wild things.
By Tone Lowe.
SPEAKER_05 (42:58):
Wow, man.
SPEAKER_01 (42:59):
But it was the first night, and that ever since then,
Battle of the Bands has beenlike fucking dope to me at
Hanley.
You want to go back to Battle ofthe Bands.
SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
I thought we were gonna talk about funky Cole
Medina or something.
SPEAKER_02 (43:11):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
Same artist.
SPEAKER_02 (43:14):
But I'll give my little list I actually made like
what I'm listening to these.
SPEAKER_03 (43:19):
I probably I could probably tell tell you Tony's
top five from the 90s myself.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Well, well, but what I'm listening to today, of
course, uh Kendrick Lamar is onmy list.
He's there, and then I'm in andthen I'm on a big Fleetwood Mac
kick right now.
Oh, Stevie Nick.
Oh, dude.
Like, I'll yeah, I'm on a bigFleetwood Mac kick right now.
SPEAKER_04 (43:47):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:48):
And then uh Ryan Bingham, I love too.
SPEAKER_04 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you watch Yellowstone orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (43:57):
I did, but I got at whatever.
I can never finish anything.
I watched like the first twoseasons and stopped.
And then uh Lamb of God, anotherone.
Yeah, you know, it depends onwhat mood I'm in, but dude,
they're me they're they'reamazing.
Like they're still what in their50s something and making amazing
music.
(44:19):
Who?
SPEAKER_04 (44:21):
What's the fifth one?
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
Deftones.
Have you checked out their newalbum?
Bro, have you checked out theirnew album, Private Music?
Dude, they're more popular.
You gotta look.
Jason said this to me, mybrother.
Every single song on their albumis on the Billboard charts.
SPEAKER_04 (44:37):
I'll have to check it out.
SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
Every single song.
Yeah, they've they've gottenbetter as they've aged.
That's just unheard of.
Like, yeah, all their every songis on the the charts.
I love that.
SPEAKER_04 (44:53):
I love this uh well-rounded, eclectic five
different types of music.
SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
Yeah, because he said Deftones, Fleetwood Mac,
and Kendrick Lamar.
That's a wide variety.
SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
But I love everything.
I listen, and it depends on whatmood I'm in.
When I would listen to it.
SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
But I only like older music, and I know that's
wrong, but unless it's Justinand my friends, like you know,
Luca and all these other peopleI know, I don't really listen to
new stuff because unless when Ilisten to it, I'm just like, uh,
dude, there's what our parentsand our caretakers and that
generation said, what the fuckare you kids listening to?
SPEAKER_02 (45:31):
Not really.
But there's still some greatmusic, and you'd agree, Justin.
New music coming out.
SPEAKER_04 (45:39):
I think it kind of I think there's a lot of really
good music out there.
I don't think it usually makesit to the radio.
Yeah, so we're not listening togo find it.
Uh that's the only way I hearnew music.
SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
Well, you know, I don't sit there and listen to
the album music anymore.
SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
No, it's true.
It's true.
It is hard.
Well, I I wish I had a betterway to switch.
So we gotta get your album backthere, mate.
SPEAKER_01 (46:07):
Jess, we gotta get your album out there.
And if me and Tony can help inany way, man, we're gonna try
our best.
Oh, I appreciate that.
We've got a new one coming, soand like you said, there's no
specific date, which is great.
Just know it's coming.
In the meantime, listen toFamily Tree.
SPEAKER_04 (46:20):
Yeah, in the meantime, listen to Family Tree
for sure.
Yeah, I went on a um a radioshow a couple months back, which
was cool, up in um in FortCollins, which is like an hour
north of here.
So I went went and played somesongs on there.
That was cool, and kind oftalked about the album for uh uh
45 minutes, an hour or somethinglike that.
So that was fun.
(46:41):
Um, I had an album release partyat Wibby Brewing a couple months
ago, well, the beginning ofAugust, and I um my friends uh
The Drunken Hearts also playedthat show.
So, you know, I'm getting outand kind of promoting it a
little bit.
Uh I mean I think the real thingwould probably have to be put
some money behind marketing andpublishing, but it's uh I at the
(47:01):
moment I'm just letting itorganically happen, which means
slow to know.
SPEAKER_02 (47:06):
Well, like Chris said, with our 10,000 followers,
man, you're gonna be out therenow.
SPEAKER_04 (47:11):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (47:12):
What do you mean?
I mean I'm just lighting themoff.
Here's some troops, sir.
Are you hiring?
Am I hiring?
What am I hiring?
What am I hiring?
SPEAKER_04 (47:22):
What you just said you need.
What do I need?
Oh, marketing and publishing?
SPEAKER_03 (47:27):
Yeah, more yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (47:28):
Oh, well, I'd have to find a financial backer
first.
Let me let me get the money.
You know, shorty can't eat nobooks.
Let me get the money first, youknow.
Well, let's go on Shark Tank,dude.
Fuck that.
SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
Shark Tank.
SPEAKER_04 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (47:46):
That's a that leads to something like if you're ever
like American Idol or somethinglike that.
SPEAKER_04 (47:51):
I'll give him everything.
I'll be like, I'm seeking amillion dollars for a hundred
percent of my investment.
You can have fuck it.
I need to do my work.
You can have everything.
SPEAKER_02 (48:01):
Right.
So, but that's the thing.
Have you ever like auditionedfor American Idol or any show
like that?
America's got talent.
Or thought or thought or thoughtabout, yeah, America's Got
Talent.
That's another one.
SPEAKER_04 (48:14):
Um, I've never even thought about it.
No.
Well, you might fucking blow up,dude.
After this show.
SPEAKER_03 (48:22):
Is that what I'm supposed to do next?
SPEAKER_04 (48:23):
Is this the universe telling me?
SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
Well, which one should I do?
Which one should I do?
You could be wherever you want.
And Sancho Pay with your nuts inthe sand, whatever.
SPEAKER_02 (48:43):
Jeez, somebody else don't you don't you love his
metaphors?
SPEAKER_01 (48:48):
Somebody else is in Bowen Springs right now.
Somebody's watching after yourestate and everything is great.
SPEAKER_03 (48:54):
I mean, you know, I'm gonna have to buy me a plane
ticket.
I'm heading out to San Chopetomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (49:01):
I've never been there, I've just heard it's
nice.
SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
I've seen pictures.
SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
I haven't been there either.
SPEAKER_04 (49:10):
Yeah, dude, the best thing I know is Half Moon Beach.
Like, I don't know a lot.
Oh my god.
Is that place still around?
SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
No, no.
SPEAKER_04 (49:18):
Dude, I used to go out there and with my walk man
and I would put listen to GreatWhite.
You remember Great White?
SPEAKER_02 (49:26):
Oh shit.
SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
Oh man, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (49:32):
Oh man, that oh I love my mom loved Hadley.
SPEAKER_01 (49:35):
Well, you know where Tony still goes all the time
with the kids is fuckingwatermelon park.
SPEAKER_04 (49:43):
Dude, the there's a bluegrass uh there's like a
music festival there every year.
That was let me give you alittle history here.
That that uh music festival goesback 50, 60.
I mean, I think like Johnny Cashplayed there.
Like it was like a fantasticplace.
(50:04):
And then I found out not longago that my dad and his band
played at Watermelon Park, likein the in like the earth like
the 2000s, like the early odds.
I'm like, damn man, where was I?
I was just off doing hood shit,I guess.
Yeah, right.
I'm like, damn, my dad wasplaying at Watermelon Park, man.
(50:26):
Where was I?
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
I might have been down there and be like, I'm
gonna go to the house.
I want some snacks.
SPEAKER_04 (50:32):
Now, what did your dad play?
He played guitar and sang.
And the club, the clubhouse gangis what their band was called.
Well, they had a bunch ofdifferent they had they had the
NVG band, which meant not verygood band.
They had some pretty good theclubhouse gang band.
He had some pretty good, theyjust played for fun.
SPEAKER_03 (50:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (50:53):
But the fact that they got on at Watermelon Park,
I was like, wow, that's prettycool.
SPEAKER_02 (50:58):
That's pretty cool.
Right.
So, Chris, you got anything elsefor Justin?
SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
Yeah, what platforms you can go and listen to your
music and download it right nowand help support you.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_04 (51:13):
Uh, well, if you want to buy vinyl, you can uh
hit me up.
You can hit me up on my email,JustinGarbermusic at gmail, and
I'll mail you one.
JustinGarbermusic at gmail.
Yep, that you can hit me up onthere and I'll I can sell you a
vinyl and send it through themail.
Um, that's the best way tolisten to it.
(51:35):
I mean, I'm telling you, you putit on a vinyl record player, it
is it sounds so good on there.
Um, you know, I'm on all thestreaming platforms.
SPEAKER_03 (51:48):
Spotify, Venture.
Name one, I'm on it.
Yeah, got yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:52):
When when when when the distributors distribute the
music, it goes out to everybody.
And so it's on I'm on all of thedifferent streaming platforms,
including you.
Do you have a connection withRick Rubin?
SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
Yeah, how cool would that be?
unknown (52:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (52:08):
You said you was kind of like working with him or
something, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (52:11):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not working with Rick Rubin.
My God.
SPEAKER_02 (52:15):
Well, we're gonna talk it into existence.
SPEAKER_04 (52:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, let's manifest.
SPEAKER_01 (52:19):
Let's manifest.
Dude, if you get Rick Rubin,man, you can make it.
SPEAKER_02 (52:25):
Now, now hold on.
All right, one more question.
So, what would be like their uhdream artists, I guess, to work
with?
Me?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (52:36):
Oh man.
I think right now, uh JasonIsbull, Tyler Childers, or
Sturgil Simpson.
You know, those guys are I justlove their music.
I love their songwriting.
Um and I they're like kind oflike independent artists, like
they're not like um attached tolike these big record labels and
(52:59):
stuff.
They kind of they're not therecord labels aren't telling
them what what to do.
So they're you know, all theirsongs are very uh exactly what
they want them to be.
Right.
Um, and that's kind of how I do.
I mean, uh everything I do ispaid independently through me,
nobody's telling me what to do.
Um but their songwriting is justamazing.
(53:22):
So yeah, that'd probably be thebig three right now.
It'd be awesome.
Manifest it for me.
SPEAKER_02 (53:28):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna make it happen right
here on Brothers with Opinions.
SPEAKER_04 (53:32):
That's it.
SPEAKER_02 (53:32):
Brothers with Opinions, it's my life.
It could, it could, it's 100%good.
SPEAKER_04 (53:39):
And vice versa, you can help me.
I have no doubt.
I have no doubt.
Now, Chris, you lied to me.
You said that we were gonna havesome special guests on here.
Where are they?
SPEAKER_02 (53:48):
Yeah, Chris.
SPEAKER_01 (53:49):
Just like snow in Arizona, the flakes come and go,
man.
He's just making this up as hegoes.
SPEAKER_02 (53:57):
He's good, man.
He's good.
SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
He was trying to tell me the old high school gym
coach is coming on here.
Oh Mr.
Norman said he's he's runninglate.
SPEAKER_02 (54:08):
Mr.
Norman.
Jeez.
My dude.
Go.
SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
He was cool, though.
He was cool though.
Mr.
Norman he lives in the area ofWest Regina that's like Blair
Bush area.
Yeah, no, yeah, Norman went offsupposedly he's off the grid
right now.
SPEAKER_02 (54:29):
He's still alive.
But he's off the grid.
SPEAKER_01 (54:32):
I mean, I'm not sure.
But now Tony, I thought likeRay, uh what um fucking Lucas
Hudson or someone's supposed tocome, but it's all good.
SPEAKER_02 (54:45):
Yeah, it'll be it'll be next time, Justin.
We'll have all them people.
SPEAKER_04 (54:49):
I I do want I do want to say I appreciate you
guys having me on here and uhbeing patient for the next one.
We'll get Mikey R.
Yeah, dude.
I'm telling you.
And now listen, there's notgonna be a more entertaining
episode than Mike R.
Kulin coming on here.
(55:10):
He he is so funny.
SPEAKER_02 (55:12):
Well, Justin, you were you were fun and
entertaining yourself, man.
You had you haven't changed abit.
To me, you don't look likeyou've aged a bit.
You know, you got facial hair,but you look the same as 20, 25
years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (55:25):
Hey, I'm gonna give you some good truth from too.
You see where I'm at?
In an enclosed box.
So are you?
He's outside in the sun.
There's a difference.
SPEAKER_04 (55:38):
You know, Colorado's weather's terrible.
Don't come out here.
Hey, but you've been in the skinbasket.
You would hate it.
Trust me, you'd hate it.
Don't come out here.
SPEAKER_01 (55:49):
I'd work on the ski lobes.
I work on the ski slopes andshit.
I'd probably sell hot chocolateat the cabin.
I mean, you know, sure.
SPEAKER_04 (55:57):
Go.
You should.
SPEAKER_03 (55:58):
People don't need it when they get to the city.
You guys come out.
You guys, you guys are welcomeat my home anytime.
You know that.
SPEAKER_02 (56:04):
All right, Justin.
Sounds good.
SPEAKER_03 (56:06):
I told Tony, man, tell Jason to meet us halfway.
SPEAKER_02 (56:09):
There we go.
Yeah, there we go.
SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
I would love to.
I'd love to see Jason to be.
SPEAKER_02 (56:12):
See, you and Jason can collaborate.
Straight up.
There you go.
I'm trying to make it happen.
SPEAKER_04 (56:19):
I'll write some lyrics and then he can thrash
metal.
SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
Hey, he got he got in the country for a while too.
He had a band called Damn Familyfor a while.
Did he?
Oh, yeah.
Check it out.
I gotta check that out.
They're called Damn Family, andthey they had like eight, nine
members.
They were like slitting out ofcountry.
But but no, but that dude, it'sgood.
It was good shit, but theydidn't last.
(56:44):
That's funny.
That's funny.
I appreciate you guys.
But yeah, man, I know you're atwork too.
You know, go out there and dosomething.
But but hey, man, appreciatehaving a channel.
SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
Anybody want to shout out?
Anybody you want to put on orwhatever right now?
Any events coming up?
SPEAKER_04 (57:04):
I um I'm playing at Zuni Street Brewing in December,
December 3rd, I think it is.
Um, I might be putting someAlaska dates together soon to go
up with my buddy AndrewMcConaughey uh of Drunken
Hearts.
Um, we might go up and do a duoup in the Anchorage area in
November, uh, like a week or twobefore Thanksgiving.
(57:24):
So we're trying to put thosetogether.
Um, I I want to shout out to youguys.
Thank you for for you knowhelping me come on here and
saying such kind words about thealbum.
And Chris, I won't hold itagainst you that you haven't
gotten through it yet, butyou'll listen to it tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Tony was at home all day with a fucking heating pad
on.
SPEAKER_04 (57:47):
I'm at hey, he was up all night drinking coffee, so
he didn't have anything verymuch.
Oh, yeah, you remember that,right?
SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
He didn't go to sleep since with me and my
coffee.
SPEAKER_01 (57:58):
That's why Wayne still works at Alec Myers,
because Tony keeps buying.
SPEAKER_02 (58:05):
All right, show's over.
SPEAKER_04 (58:07):
I appreciate you guys.
Hope you have a great night.
And uh, hey, let's do it againsometime.
Hey, appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_03 (58:14):
We appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_02 (58:15):
Thanks.
Take care, man.
We'll keep in touch.
SPEAKER_03 (58:18):
That sounds good.
Thanks, guys.
Yep, no problem, man.
Talk to you soon.
All right, later.
SPEAKER_02 (58:26):
So, Chris, there was Justin Carver.
It's fun having him on, man.
Having talked to that man.
25 years.
SPEAKER_01 (58:36):
That's wild.
That's why, like, we we need toget Mikey Arculan on, like we've
been talking about.
SPEAKER_02 (58:41):
Oh, we will.
We'll make it happen.
We'll get him.
SPEAKER_01 (58:43):
And you see why he's like, Where's Wayne and Zab and
all them?
I'm like, dude, I don't know,snowflaked.
SPEAKER_02 (58:48):
Right, right.
So, Chris, hey, as always, man,and enjoyed the show and enjoy
everybody for tuning in, orthank everybody for tuning in to
YouTube.
Please subscribe to our channel.
You can follow us on Facebook,Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music.
Yeah, because I'll upload theaudio of this later too as well,
(59:10):
so everybody can check us out.
But yeah, hey man, it was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (59:14):
I won't be here.
I'm gonna be celebrating myyoung lady's birthday and uh be
out of town finally.
Been working my ass off.
SPEAKER_02 (59:21):
I'll be solo.
SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
Tony's gonna be going solo, but he's gonna have
a guest on.
If somebody wants to join him inthe meantime, holler at him, let
him know.
SPEAKER_02 (59:29):
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
SPEAKER_01 (59:33):
Man, but yeah, next week, 7 p.m.
It don't matter if I'm on ornot.
Tony's gonna keep it going.
And um, you guys want to be aguest, man?
Like you said, we email us atbrothers of dependence.gmail,
uh, email Tony's email, myemail.
Like, call us, let us know, man.
And we know it's hard tosubscribe because it takes two
seconds to hit the subscribebutton, it don't cost nothing.
(59:55):
And we know that it's hard tosupport people that's from the
area because we don't havebirthdays.
Like we all say in fucking LarryBird.
You guys should think about it.
Like, you know, people that grewup on O'Brien and King Street
and Metal Breaks.
Like, maybe you should pointsomebody else.
But uh in the meantime, I'mgonna keep talking about shit
because that's what I do.
I love y'all.
(01:00:16):
I'm gonna join our Thursdaynight football game.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:18):
Alright, man.
Hey, it was it was fun.
And everybody would tune in nextweek.
I don't have a surprise, guessI'll find somebody.
But hey, everybody, enjoy.
Alright, everybody.
Take care and have a greatevening.
I thought you love it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
Alright, man, I appreciate it.
Brothers with opinions, bigvoice, no silence.
Revolution televised.
Ain't no good in private.
Knowledge to the ignorant.
Ain't never been bliss.
Stand up and be heard.
We the new activists.
Yeah.
Brothers with opinion, let theconvo begin.
You know communication key, butthen you must comprehend.
(01:00:57):
Breach BW roll, let your voicesbe heard.
We enlightened by the truth, andnow we spreadin' the word.
How do we learn to live when weconditioned to die?
Most people fail before theystart.
Because they don't ever try.
Man, they told us we wasworthless.
We believed in the lie.
We took it way too little andbeats that ready to die.
You know the KKK, turn the copsin disguise.
(01:01:20):
Man, a lot done, change, butrate still applies.
Five-hold, hands up, don't evenask why.
Trade wrong, Mike Brown, man.
Another mother's cry.
Hey, BW roll, let the convobegin.
unknown (01:01:33):
You know communication.
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