November 19, 2025 • 35 mins
A beloved PE teacher with a coach’s grit and a neighbor’s heart, Miss Shelly Lee joins us to share how a lifetime of movement turned into a citywide mission: build two indoor pools and two ice rinks so every kid can swim, skate, and thrive. From teaching line dances to launching teams, she shows how play unlocks confidence, health, and community—and why water safety should be as standard as math class.
We dive into the 2 For 2 Foundation’s plan, the surge in demand for lessons, and the reality of aging facilities that can’t serve a growing region. Miss Lee breaks down what’s working—6,000+ kids receiving lessons since 2022 thanks to donations and grants—what’s missing, and why land access is the pivot that unlocks construction. She makes a compelling case for equity: city fifth graders ride buses to swim class, while county kids are left out. Pools aren’t luxuries; they’re public safety tools, rehab centers, and training grounds for athletes from football to figure skating.
Expect vivid memories from decades of coaching: first teams finding their form, football players learning to sprint in the water, and a once-sidelined student asking to play for the first time. We talk line dancing as an invitation to move, early hip-hop beats that brought kids together, and the mentors who shaped a generation. If you care about youth sports, drowning prevention, mental health, or simply giving families a place to play year-round, this story will move you to action.
Help us make it real: support the Two For Two Foundation, share the episode, and tell local leaders why Winchester needs two pools and two rinks. Subscribe, leave a review, and tag a friend who learned to swim at Jim Barnett Park—then join us in building the next chapter.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
It's always great to see you too.
SPEAKER_04 (00:43):
I always back.
Okay.
We're back.
We're live now, Miss Lee.
We're live now.
Oh, you want here in a littlebit.
All right, Chris, go ahead.
Do you want to introduce who wehave today?
SPEAKER_03 (00:54):
Excited.
Just jumped on the show, and uhwe appreciate everybody tuning
in.
I know you guys are excitedbecause we have the one and only
Miss Shelley Lee.
And some of us have known herfrom the 70s and 80s, and others
that we're talking to now,that's Quincy's son and his
friends.
I mean, uh Tony's son, Quincy,and his friends.
(01:15):
They're like, oh, Miss Lee wasmy teacher.
And I'm like, wow.
Because Miss Lee, you were myteacher at quarrels in 88, 89.
No, not quarrels.
I was um Daniel Morgan.
I was Daniel at that time.
You trained me to run around theentire block of quarrels.
Hey, actually, I was.
(01:36):
Maybe you were helping orsubstituted at the time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Oh, substitut.
Okay.
Okay.
So she was just starting outthere.
Because I was Virginia Avenue.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
Everybody that remembered.
Well, I went to Virginia Avenue,that was like 1985-86.
So that was very early in my inmy school.
SPEAKER_04 (01:54):
Chris, I'm glad you're good with numbers because
I can't remember the years.
SPEAKER_03 (01:57):
Well, I just go by decades.
SPEAKER_04 (01:58):
Right.
Yeah, and more, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
But you've you've helped so many of us, Ms.
Lee, from the 80s all the way upuntil like we're talking about
from little Patrick Burks andQuincy Dengis and all these kids
that are like, oh, that was mygym teacher.
You've been amazing since then.
It's not just about gym, butyour actual heart and care for
young people.
We appreciate you, and we wantto give you your flowers, and we
(02:23):
want you to have your time tospeak.
So if you're gonna firstintroduce yourself and tell the
people who you are, and the theones that don't know who you
are, which are probably faraway, but this is Miss Lee,
everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
Well, hi everybody, and this is really an honor.
And I'm I'm like uh so humbledthat you wanted me to to get on
and and speak about, you know,um, I gotta take my glasses off.
Um about the love of of beingable to to motivate uh kids to
(02:57):
love life and play and and enjoyuh being with all all kinds of
kids and all age kids.
And I I love seeing adultsgetting out there and playing
too.
That's a you know, life shouldbe fun.
And I believe in, hey, you workhard, you get to play hard.
And that's what we do.
We we try to do that, and um uhthat's why um you know I I would
(03:23):
have taught maybe a little bitlonger than 45 years, but that
the darn computer stuff is alittle bit too.
SPEAKER_04 (03:30):
We're with you on that, trust me.
SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
But uh I I love you know seeing you know students,
uh past students like you guysgive back to the community and
care about all these people withyou know your your hoop love.
Um every year, you how manyyears have you been doing that?
SPEAKER_03 (03:48):
I did it for four years.
This year, unfortunately, wedidn't get to do it because I
had some issues going on, butI'm gonna continue it and I have
it, I have a different thinggoing on with it.
But yes, it's always like beinga four.
We play it up, we plan onbringing that back.
That's helped taught us andtrained us how to be like those
people, and you've shown the wayand you've led by example, and
(04:10):
we appreciate you so much.
So, this is all about yougetting your flowers tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Oh gosh.
Well, if you can help me getswimming for all and uh swim
pools that everybody gets tolearn to swim in gym class,
that's what I'd love.
Right now, um, I am getting toteach the whole fifth grade of
Daniel Morgan.
Um, if if the uh if the parentssign the permission slip, they
either bust over to the indoorpool at Jim Barnett Park, and I
(04:37):
teach them swimming.
They're um if they already knowhow to swim, I give them a
workout.
And um uh if they don't know howto swim, it might they're not
Olympic champions, but they canget down the pool, they can be
able to jump in in deep waterand be safe and have fun.
So field day can be fun forthem.
SPEAKER_04 (04:54):
Right, right, right.
That's that's amazing.
So, where did when did yourteaching journey start?
Let's go way back.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
Okay, I started I came here from uh Wymissing,
Pennsylvania, fresh out ofcollege, and uh well no, I
actually was still in college,but um I came here in 74 to
teach, and Daniel Morgan hadjust opened, and Miss Martha
Crispin and I uh were babyteachers together.
She was at Hanley, and and um Iwas at Daniel Morgan, and I
(05:25):
think um Jim Barnett and DannyLee got me my job at Daniel
Morgan uh two weeks before.
And I have to give kudos to you.
Danny Lee thought the world ofyou, Chris.
Uh he and Mike Thompson used toofficiate you down at the armory
in basketball.
SPEAKER_04 (05:40):
Oh, old armor.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
He can probably tell you stories because I'm not
familiar with the name, but nowI appreciate that, but he can
probably tell you stories howthey had to deal with me.
I was kicked out of games at alittle age and everything else.
And but they saw a lot in you.
Well, that's but that's a greatstory.
(06:03):
Like, no lie, I really thinkwhoever that gentleman is you
just spoke about, that that'samazing, and thank you, sir,
because I was in trouble and Iwas just unequipped to handle
life at that age, but that's whyI needed people like Miss Lee,
Miss Christman, and and MissPartlow to help me along the
way.
And Miss Lee, you your story isso many people have left
(06:24):
messages for you today, and wereally want you to get your
flowers because you deservethem.
Like you don't understand howmany lives you've impacted and
you've touched in a positiveway.
SPEAKER_01 (06:33):
Well, it's touched me, it's been my life.
I always say this is my sociallife, being with the kids and
and going to all the events.
Uh and coaching, whenever youcoach, that's like your second
family.
I mean, you're living and beingwith those kids, and whether
it's co-ed, a co-ed team or umjust a girls' team, or you
follow the boys' team, you justlove them.
(06:54):
And um, your heart goes out tothem, win or lose.
You're uh you're you feel forthem.
And um knowing knowing that theyknow that I care about them
makes me feel good.
SPEAKER_04 (07:06):
Right.
Right.
Now, I was gonna touch on thatnow.
What was your coaching journey?
What all did you coach?
SPEAKER_01 (07:12):
Well, Daniel Morgan started uh girls cross country,
girls track, girls basketball.
Um we had a gymnastic club, wehad um intramurals, um, and that
wasn't coaching, but you know,we we did that.
Um uh but and I did I I didcheerleading too.
(07:33):
I had the cheerleaders in theback and uh girls basketball
team in the front, that was fun.
Right um and I assisted one oneyear um with uh Coach Jackson
boys basketball and wrestling.
I I was there one year, but umuh yeah, all the sports.
SPEAKER_04 (07:54):
It was yeah, I'm like, yeah, what what didn't you
do?
And then football?
SPEAKER_01 (07:58):
I would have.
I love football.
Oh yeah, and s I coach swimmingfor Hanley.
I was we started the Hanley HighSchool swim team.
SPEAKER_04 (08:05):
Oh, so you and that's my first that's my first
love.
Gotcha.
Okay, okay.
Look, Dunn lost Chris, he'lljump back on.
So yeah, your coaching journey.
So now let's speak on, let'sjust jump right at you know,
your two for two foundation, thebig swim, because it has ice
skating too, right?
Right as a part of it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:22):
Um the two for two foundation really started back
right after COVID um 2021.
And we we saw some of us uhretired teachers, we saw the
need for um more indoor pools,right, right uh, so that
everybody, all the schools couldbe involved.
And hockey, ice hockey is big inthis area, and all the money's
(08:45):
going out out of our town,outside.
We could have ice hockey righthere.
We have um inline hockey uh overat Jameswood Middle School, but
um figure skating and ice hockeyare are big sports, and it's a
family thing too that you cando.
Um so we really want to, andit's uh it's a scientific fact
(09:07):
that the water and ice gotogether, and financially it
really uh is worth it.
So we're trying to to work on umwe're still trying to to get two
indoor pools and two ice rinks.
Um preferably in Jim BarnettPark, but if it's in Freverie
County, in Middletown orwherever, uh we'd all be we'd
(09:27):
all benefit from it.
SPEAKER_04 (09:28):
Right, right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
And uh that's the thing with swimming, you can
from cradle to the grave, youcan keep swimming.
Right.
And um, right the physicaltherapy of the pool really helps
people, basketball players canget their legs and back back
into shape if they just float inthe pool.
SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
Right.
Hey, I mean, I've said, youknow, uh swimming's a great
exercise, you know, a total bodyexercise.
Yeah, go ahead, Chris.
I think you're here now.
We can hear you now.
SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
No, I was just gonna say, if you ladies and gentlemen
hear that, look, let's go getthese two pools and let's make
this thing happen for Miss Leein the community.
Because I'm gonna be honest, myfavorite sport is swimming, and
people think that I'm a fishwhenever we go to the beach.
No, they they get nervoussometimes, they're like, we
can't see you because you go sofar out, and I'm always like,
(10:19):
Yes, let's go to those big shipswithin the ocean.
And until I get scared ofsharks, Miss Lee, I try to come
back, but I'm like, I could notrace them.
But you love those community,and if we can get some pools in
the community, because I'msurprised there's still the
indoor pool at Gym Ronette Park.
And when I was young, they had aweight room with like two or
three weights in there.
(10:39):
Maybe maybe it was five six, butthat was in the beginning when
you first walked into the gym.
And for you to still have that,but still need help.
Let's let's get that communityhelp.
Let's help Ms.
Lee.
She's helped all of us, ladiesand gentlemen.
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
So we're thank you.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
Let's do what we can do, whether it's through Ms.
Lee and her foundation, and whatis it, two for two?
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
Two for two means two indoor pools and two ice
rinks.
And um uh and I was tellingTony, um, we we've had paid for
over 6,000 people, 6,000 kids tohave swimming lessons since um
2022 and um or 2023.
SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
With a lot of kids.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Two or three years, yeah.
Yeah, right.
And and there's no um there's nored cross free learn to swim
anymore.
So swimming costs money to justlike everything else, but it
should it should be in publicschools so that everybody gets a
chance to have it, to learn toswim.
Um and that would be wonderful.
And we have um um uh um we'reaffiliated with um the community
(11:46):
foundation of northernShenandoah Valley.
Donations could be made there.
Um people have donated so muchmoney for swim lessons.
Um, and the our our consultant,she's she's gotten, she's um
received so many grants, likeshe's brought in thousands of
dollars with her grant writing,so we're lucky there.
(12:07):
And we did try to do a worldrecord and raised a hundred
thousand dollars back in, Iguess, twenty twenty-three.
But uh, and we would raise moreif we knew if we had the land,
people would donate more togetting these facilities.
We're still trying to get theland.
SPEAKER_04 (12:24):
Yeah, the land is a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
We don't want to buy the land, we want we want to be
able to support a public um weuh uh a public place like um we
have we're a public non-profitum uh uh mission um project.
So, anyways.
SPEAKER_04 (12:43):
So so what was the plan going back?
You know, when you I guess youguys proposed it to I guess
Winchester Park and Rec.
So what was the initial plan,like to build a whole new
facility or use what theexisting indoor park?
This the pool, I should say.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
The the city pool, the outdoor pool that Jim
Barnett had such a vision tohave a 50-meter pool, it's it's
on it, it's old.
It was built in 1968, right?
So, you know, it might not lasttoo long.
And the indoor pool was built in1978, and we helped raise money.
The life I was a lifeguard then,and Jim Barnett, the director of
(13:19):
the pool, told us you gotta talkto these.
You he basically said you gottaschmooze the politicians, and we
did, right, and we got theindoor pool, but those two
pools, um, they're we don't knowhow long they're gonna last.
So we'll we would keep them tillthe others would get built up
there.
SPEAKER_03 (13:37):
Um we gotta build them soon then.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
Well, I'm living long enough to see it happen, so
she's it's I can handle it.
SPEAKER_04 (13:46):
Right.
But what she's not goinganywhere until she sees it
happen.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
We gotta help make it happen.
So, ladies and gentlemen, hey,that's what we're here for.
That's why she's on to putmostly and help the the cause
for the community.
Look, that's what it's about.
And honestly, though, when youthink about some of the best
athletes of all time, most oftheir important training, you
guys might not realize it, butit comes from being in the water
and and swimming techniques, andit builds their strength and
(14:15):
their endurance up more than youmay ever know, but it's because
of the water and the pools andeverything else.
So you know, I go ahead, Mr.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Oh, I was gonna say my favorite commercial is
Shaquille and O'Neill racing myuh Michael Phelps.
Oh that is a and he's got thehe's got the you know the the
tight swim trunks on and allthat kind of stuff.
Right.
And he looked, he was reallygood.
He did a good job.
So Michael Phelps is the GOAT.
(14:44):
Yeah, he is.
SPEAKER_04 (14:46):
Yes, he is, that'd be right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
We've even written you've helped train so many
phenomenal young athletes, andmaybe they came under your
shadow in your wings.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
There's a lot of great athletes and a lot of
people in the community who havebeen showing you a lot of love
lately on the Facebook post andeverything else about the show
tonight.
And we might not be able tospeak about all of them, but I
know there's so many people fromthe late 80s all the way through
to 2000s that I've seen commentsand messages come through
tonight or yesterday about you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Oh thank you.
Well, I'll tell you, all thepeople that have come into my
life through teaching andcoaching.
I mean, the memories I have keepme going forever.
And um, I always want to bearound, be able to help kids and
and families to enjoy life andbe healthy and f I'm not saying
(15:38):
you don't have to be the uhsuperstar athlete, but just make
sure you're healthy and uh keepgoing.
SPEAKER_04 (15:45):
Right, right.
And I and I've always said, likeChris said, I was a when I think
of you as it's energetic andalways smiling, like Miss Lee is
always smiling and positive, youknow.
Always, always.
But yeah, what you do for thecommunity and the swimming is a
great in the ice skating, even Ididn't even know ice skating was
(16:06):
a big thing here.
Being I guess South Virginia,you know, but uh how can people
get into it again, you know?
Well do you guys have likeregistration and stuff like that
to sign up?
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
Yeah, well, the the only hockey thing that we have
here is uh um uh what is itcalled top the top of Virginia
hockey.
The Capitals, the ice hockeyteam capitals actually gave us,
gave um the ice hockey peoplehere$100,000 to build that
capitals then?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
And it's at Jameswood MiddleSchool.
(16:39):
Um it's where the old tenniscourts are.
They're playing right now.
SPEAKER_04 (16:43):
Oh, okay.
I just didn't even know that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah.
But again, it's not real ice,but those kids go to Hagerstown
and to Leesburg and all theseother places to play.
Um and the figure skaters go outof town too.
But I know growing up, we Imean, in the wintertime, that
was the big thing.
Your whole family went outthere.
Right.
I used to shovel the ice uh onthis pond, so they'd let me play
(17:07):
ice hockey with the boys.
But it was it was so fun.
But it's it's um it's anotherthing for mental health, mental
and physical health withfamilies, everything.
It's a great, great thing.
Right.
And uh with with the swimming,there shouldn't, there's
absolutely no excuse for peopleto drown anymore.
SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
Oh, I agree, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
We have to stop, we have to prevent drowning by
teaching uh everyone to swim.
SPEAKER_04 (17:32):
Yeah, and like is it back to again when you're
starting with the fifth gradenow in the school?
SPEAKER_01 (17:37):
The fifth grade com comes over in the um the indoor
pool, the Winchester Parks andWreck have been wonderful,
letting them swim, and they havethe fourth graders come over
with inner murals, so all allthe elementary city kids.
But the county doesn't get anyof that.
SPEAKER_04 (17:52):
Oh, so they don't so it's just for city kids right
now?
Okay.
All right, and that's great.
I gotta get my son in he's inthird grade right now.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Oh, we'll sign him up next year.
SPEAKER_04 (18:03):
We'll get him out as soon as possible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_04 (18:06):
Yeah, we used to have a pool in our yard, but
that's how our boys learned.
I just threw them in there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Well, some kids you can do that with, but right.
Most most people, uh it's notadvised to do that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:19):
We we can't do that anymore as child abuse friends.
But not the way we used tolearn, just throw you in the
water and survive.
Yep, I get it.
Chris, what's going on with you,man?
Your connection, you keep on itoff, on it off.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Unfortunately, just like Ms.
Lee, like I'm not so great withtechnology at times, and I just
realized I should have chargedmy phone.
SPEAKER_04 (18:42):
Oh boy.
See?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Oh but it's cool.
I'm back.
And I learned how to swim offthe had dive in 1988 at uh
Winchester Parks and Wreck atJim Barnett because when I grew
up in the Evans home, they tookus to the pool.
I went up there as a littlemischievous kid, mischievous
kid, all the way up top.
(19:05):
And when the time of the thekids, the older kids in the
Evans home was yelling, oh look,that's little Chris up there.
I jumped off.
They tried to come save me, butlook, I doggy paddled all the
way to the typo.
I told them I could swim, whichit was a lot, but they made me
swim back and forth.
They made me swim back andforth.
SPEAKER_04 (19:26):
Well, you're a brave soul, I guess.
Didn't know that's one, butstill jumped in there.
SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
Hey, I did it.
They they said swim back andforth and live the pool twice.
I did it, and next thing youknow, I was able to go deep in
my whole life, and I just lovedswimming.
SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Honestly, I really wish we would have had swimming
as a team when I was in school.
Yeah, it we didn't get a swimteam until 1997.
SPEAKER_04 (19:49):
That's how at hand say it, don't say it, Chris.
Here it comes.
SPEAKER_03 (19:54):
Look, what do you say?
Tony graduated in '97, so wecould have actually been a part
of it, but we would have beengreat.
SPEAKER_01 (20:02):
Yeah, see.
We started with the first team.
We had four football players onthe team.
Right.
And uh uh it was it was it wasgreat.
They could sprint, they could dowhat you did.
It wasn't doggy paddle, but theywent as fast as they could, up
and back, and that's all theycould give me.
But they did it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (20:21):
Actually, you're talking about Ms.
Martha Christman.
Sarah Christman said to say hiand that she loves you, and
you're one of her favoritepeople ever.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
She's she's my girl.
I just love her, and I'm so gladshe's teaching.
She teaches fourth grade at JohnKerr, and she gets she organizes
the swimming intermurals fromJohn Kerr.
So it's great.
SPEAKER_03 (20:41):
Oh, so she's in the Winchester community.
That's a good job.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Yep, that's what's neat.
When people come back to andlike you guys, and you give
back, but whether you'reteaching or coaching, it's
wonderful.
I didn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (20:56):
Well, I'm gonna be honest, the first year of Hoops
for Hope, I wasn't sure that Iwould be able to pull it off.
I was confident because that'swho I am.
But to see you, Miss Christman,and Miss Partlow come that first
year, that set me on fire aslike so motivated, so happy and
thrilled.
I I couldn't believe you threeladies came and I was like, wow.
(21:18):
Oh, we thought we were gonna beable to do it.
It really made my event feel sosuper special, besides the other
reasons for the the players andthe people.
But see, we'll get you out therea coach next year.
SPEAKER_04 (21:30):
Oh, when we do see just being the coaches for the
boys.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (21:37):
Oh, yeah, a lot of people came the first year.
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Well, it's always fun to be around people who have
the heart have such heart forfor our our community and for
our kids, everything.
SPEAKER_03 (21:51):
Um that's why Tony and I do what we do, but out of
all the people we've ever had onthe show, you deserve your
flowers like the most.
Oh, well, thank you.
Because you gave it to us whenwe didn't even know what being
the leader of myself or havinghope was at the time.
I'm being honest, Ms.
Lee.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
Well, you know what?
You guys don't give yourselfcredit.
You can tell you always hadheart.
You guys had heart and guts todo things, you know.
You even though you uh, youknow, you weren't taught to have
that, you you were you had thatinside you, and it it always
showed.
It'll you know you know, whenyou'd play basketball or you'd
(22:32):
play with the other kids, youwent at it hard, and that's what
we love.
SPEAKER_04 (22:37):
So there you go, Chris.
So you got your flowers, right?
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
No, she no, she needs her flowers all the time.
Oh, I know because if we cantell you the comments from
people like oh, I can't evenremember.
So there's so many commentscoming in about you, Miss Lee,
and how that's because I'm old.
Oh, those people grew up eitherwithin the four or five years
(23:01):
before me and Tony or after us,and like it's amazing to see
that like you can you impactedour time frame tremendously.
SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Yeah, believe it or not, you did.
Well, you did.
SPEAKER_03 (23:14):
It's really great to hear this.
One thing before we move on orget to anything else, because my
favorite thing, and I brought itup, is you trained, I remember
the the song I remember themost, but you taught us how to
line dance.
I do the line dance but at anearly age of hip-hop when
hip-hop became kind of popularwith Beastie Boys and Run DMC
(23:34):
and stuff in the 80s in theearly 90s before hip-hop was
still that big, we didn't live,we didn't know Big E and Jay-Z
and Miles or none of them yet.
You taught us how to line danceto people like Dickabore Planets
in a song called I'm Cool LikeThat?
I'm cool like that.
And you you had us line dancingand going off.
Oh, what made you incorporateline dancing into gym class and
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and and then moving them towardship-hop and line dancing?
Like, what made you do that atthose days?
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
Well, I loved line dance.
I just thought here that'ssomething that gets everybody
moving.
It doesn't matter if you're aboy or a girl, you don't have to
touch each other, but it's it'sgreat movement and coordination.
And I don't even I don't evenhear words very well.
So I love, I just go to the beatof the music, and I thought it
just feels good to get out thereand do that.
(24:24):
And um our Friday line dancedays, and I loved it when Mr.
Norman and some of the othercoaches would be out there.
SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
Mr.
Chambers actually said the samething.
Oh, Mr.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Chambers helped me out.
Yep.
The King Tut.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (24:38):
That's one we gotta get on to is Mr.
Norman.
We gotta get him out of thewoods, I hear.
He's in the backwoods somewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah, he's living his life.
He was one of my favoriteteachers, too.
And you know what?
He deserves flowers, I'll tellyou.
He's he helped me so much, andhe's just I agree, he's one of
the all-time best coaches, bestpeople in education.
SPEAKER_04 (24:58):
I love I love Mr.
Norman.
SPEAKER_03 (25:00):
Yeah, Mr.
Norman's actually all of ourfavorites as the male teacher
and uh gym teacher.
But Mr.
Norman, uh Mr.
Chambers and Mr.
Coonley said to say hi to you,and and they love you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Oh, I I had fun with Big E and Mr.
Coonley.
We had a great staff for it.
We we really had had fun.
SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
That's why we got the best times growing up in
those days because it was thatwas who the teachers were you
guys.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Well, we all could have fun together.
That's what was that's what weneed to to show the kids that
you know uh you don't have to bethe best at something.
You try to be your best, but youget out there and do it.
You don't just watch and and anduh you you get involved.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
Right.
So I got a quote.
I know you taught a long time,coached a long time.
So in teaching, what is one ofyour biggest memories or
accomplishment?
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Teaching-wise first, then we'll get to coaching
teaching-wise, um when I I haveto say with the with the girls,
when a girl who uh wasoverweight and was was always
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you know sitting on thesideline, right?
Uh she when she finally said,Can I go in and play?
I'll never forget that.
Uh, that made me feel so goodafter all the years, she would
always stand back and andrefuse, but she finally felt
comfortable enough to do to getin and join join us.
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Right, yeah, yeah.
I get yeah, that's that's a goodone.
SPEAKER_01 (26:37):
So now coaching, or was that oh coaching in every
every sport you coach, there'sthere's memories.
Oh, I know there's a lot.
You know, uh I have to say it'sSarah, Sarah Crispin, uh Waldorf
will laugh, but the first yearwe had our Hanley swim team,
those bo those football players,uh the boys, and and they were
(26:58):
helping Sarah learn how to divebecause she'd have spaghetti
legs, she never stretched herlegs, right?
And we got her, but she was soso good.
And those girls, uh well, Sarahand Elizabeth Stevens and um uh
Callie Callie Walk and someothers, um they stayed with me
in swimming.
(27:18):
Um, and and it was just it wasjust a wonderful time.
And Leslie, I have to tellLeslie Boyd helped was my
assistant, and she was amazing.
Um but we we just every sporthas has good memories, I have to
tell you that.
SPEAKER_04 (27:34):
Yeah, I know.
It's not well who I'm curious,who was the football, the four
football players?
Okay, well that first year.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
Wes Blackwell.
Um I don't know.
Shout out to Wes.
Yeah, I remember Wes Blackwell,um Paul Carpenter.
Yeah, uh my boy uh oh my gosh.
Um oh, uh he's right at thetime, and his mother's on
Christine, what's her last name?
SPEAKER_04 (28:00):
David Burke?
SPEAKER_01 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
Oh look, Chris probably look, Chris, you
probably know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
No, it's Bart.
Bart Oh Chazler.
SPEAKER_04 (28:08):
Bart Chazler.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, he was the kid.
How do I remember that name?
She's like, geez.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
And we had Chris Boyd too, and and we I mean it
was we had some really coolkids.
And uh are you are you teachingChris Boyd's uh daughters at
all?
They don't live here.
Oh, Charlotte.
They they they I think they livearound Richmond.
Okay.
So they're they're both they'reall in sports though, and he
coaches.
(28:36):
So yeah.
But um, you see the impactyou've made from far here and
far away?
SPEAKER_04 (28:42):
Well, right, right, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
It's it's just a joy to hear that, and it's and it
keeps me going.
Um, you know, whenever youwhenever you get down because
you had tragedies or somethingin your life, you have all these
good things to to lift you up.
So and all these good people.
SPEAKER_04 (29:00):
I am.
I'm I'm honored to have I wouldI was pumped what Chris said you
would be on.
Oh because we're always afraidpeople would be like, no, no.
But it's like, why not?
But I'm I'm honored too you'rehere.
Like, thank you, and so good tosee you.
You too.
You know, you've touched so manypeople's lives, and it's it's
amazing what you do right now,you know, and you're still
(29:21):
going.
Like I said, you're just to me,you're a bundle of joy.
Oh well, thank you.
You you motivate me, and I'msure Chris, you know, at the
same time.
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
Um we gotta keep this motivation stuff going for
our the younger generations.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
Exactly.
Yep, you're exactly right.
So again, you know, we'll we'llin closing, you know, you let
everybody know, you know, howthey can give, you know, two for
your two for two foundation andeverything like that.
You know, all the info you cangive out there.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
Well, we do have we have a website.
Um, we're on Facebook, and twofor two, it's the number two,
and then And uh the word for FORand the number two, two for two
foundation.
Uh and it's post office box1908, Winchester, Virginia, or
like just two fortwofoundation.org on Facebook if
(30:15):
you want to donate or you wantto have any questions.
Somebody else did that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:21):
Right, yeah.
Well, just make sure you'll getall that info from you too.
We'll put it up on our you knowFacebook page.
That would definitely advertiseit for you, you know, help you
help you guys out anyway.
We can put it out there.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
Oh, that would be great.
SPEAKER_04 (30:36):
Oh, yeah.
Well, we try, Miss, we try.
Yeah.
So I guess Chris is havingtechnical difficulties.
He's on and off, he's off again.
But Miss Lee, it was greathaving you to be able to do
that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Oh, it's great.
Great to be with you.
Yes.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (30:49):
Like I say, you're a joy to be around, a positive
influence on these kids still tothis day.
Uh and I was what?
You taught me when I was 11, 12,something out of the third.
The middle school years.
Middle school year, whatevernumber that is, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
And I hope you can get Larry Norman.
SPEAKER_04 (31:06):
Uh hey, well, help us out.
Uh I will.
Help us out.
I would love to have Mr.
Norman on.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Out of the blue, I get phone calls.
He's uh he'll call.
And um uh Ernest Chambers andPatrick Coonley could help, and
Scott Burns is another personwho could help.
SPEAKER_04 (31:20):
Yeah, you got that credit of a try.
We gotta get Mr.
Norman.
SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
Everybody would love it.
Mr.
Burns used to want me to runalong this.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Man, I forgot about Mr.
Burns.
Oh, I bet.
Well, he's I think Mr.
Burns, I he might still becoaching.
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
Really?
Yeah.
I forgot all about it because hewas my neighbor for a lot on the
north side.
He lived behind us.
Yeah, I forgot all about Mr.
Burns.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
And he keeps in touch with with Mr.
Norman, too.
SPEAKER_04 (31:46):
Those two have them both on at the same time.
That would be yeah.
That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
I haven't seen or heard from Mr.
Burns in years, but I talked toMr.
Norman not too long ago, andhe's doing great.
SPEAKER_04 (31:59):
Oh yeah.
So you contacted him.
But yeah, I'm thankingeverybody.
SPEAKER_03 (32:04):
You you just Mr.
Cooley Chamber, those that's myera, and I love him, and that's
why we love Miss Lee.
Ms.
Lee, how to tell all those menwas around.
Ms.
Lee was the one.
You were the staple.
SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
Thank you.
You had to keep all them guys inline, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
I did.
I felt like I was General Lee atthe gym stuff.
I'm sure you did.
Right.
I'm sure you did.
But I wouldn't have traded itfor anything.
SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
Because just because they were our teachers, they
were still boys and they wereenough.
Like, look.
SPEAKER_04 (32:36):
They were great.
So but Chris and Chloe, Iappreciate her being on.
And you can join us anytime.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:46):
Anytime.
But yeah, just give us that infoand we'll put it up on our site.
Can I just text it to you?
Yeah, that's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (32:54):
That'd be great.
And tell people to like us onFacebook because that helps us
get grant money.
SPEAKER_04 (33:01):
Okay.
The more likes you have.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
All right, everybody.
Go like two for two foundationon Facebook.
Everybody got that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
Really proud of you guys.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (33:10):
I appreciate it.
We're proud of you.
Thank you.
You're an influence toeverybody.
Everybody loves you, Miss Lee.
SPEAKER_03 (33:17):
We really do love you.
You deserve your flowers eachand every day.
And most of us wouldn't be whowe are without people like you
in our lives, and we appreciateit so much.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Well, I appreciate you too, Chris and Tody.
Thank you.
You made my month, my year.
Oh shoot.
SPEAKER_04 (33:35):
You're gonna make me blush.
But hey, in closing, everybody,uh, you know, go check out
Brothers with Opinions, ourFacebook page, and subscribe to
our YouTube channel as well.
And like I said, help Miss Leefor two for two foundation.
We'll have that information, youknow, up on our page and go, you
know, donate and help these kidsget swimming lessons on ice
(33:58):
skating, too.
SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
And let's go get these two pools that Winchester
needs.
Please help the cause.
Amen.
SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
Right.
Yeah, but so hey, appreciate youagain.
Can't say it enough.
Thanks.
Thanks for joining us, and hey,everybody, tune in next week.
All right.
All right, thanks, Chris.
I'll talk to you shortly.
SPEAKER_03 (34:15):
All right, you guys, thank you guys.
Have a blessed night, Miss Lee.
Love you so much.
We love you.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
Love you too.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
All right, everybody.
Have a good night.
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Big voice, no silence, revolution televised.
Ain't no good in private.
Knowledge to the ignorant.
Ain't never been blitzed.
Stand up and be heard.
We the new activists.
Brothers with opinion, let thecombo begin.
You know communicating be, butthen you must apprehend.
Quick B rope, let the voices beheard.
(34:45):
We enlightened by the proof andnow we spread in the words.
We learn to live when we can dothe dark.
Many tools, we would spokebecause we believe in the dark.
You know the kid, kick, kick onthe cards in the sky.
(35:10):
Don't be the X4 mic wow.
Made a number of squad face.
It's always great to see you too.
SPEAKER_04 (00:43):
I always back.
Okay.
We're back.
We're live now, Miss Lee.
We're live now.
Oh, you want here in a littlebit.
All right, Chris, go ahead.
Do you want to introduce who wehave today?
SPEAKER_03 (00:54):
Excited.
Just jumped on the show, and uhwe appreciate everybody tuning
in.
I know you guys are excitedbecause we have the one and only
Miss Shelley Lee.
And some of us have known herfrom the 70s and 80s, and others
that we're talking to now,that's Quincy's son and his
friends.
I mean, uh Tony's son, Quincy,and his friends.
(01:15):
They're like, oh, Miss Lee wasmy teacher.
And I'm like, wow.
Because Miss Lee, you were myteacher at quarrels in 88, 89.
No, not quarrels.
I was um Daniel Morgan.
I was Daniel at that time.
You trained me to run around theentire block of quarrels.
Hey, actually, I was.
(01:36):
Maybe you were helping orsubstituted at the time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Oh, substitut.
Okay.
Okay.
So she was just starting outthere.
Because I was Virginia Avenue.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
Everybody that remembered.
Well, I went to Virginia Avenue,that was like 1985-86.
So that was very early in my inmy school.
SPEAKER_04 (01:54):
Chris, I'm glad you're good with numbers because
I can't remember the years.
SPEAKER_03 (01:57):
Well, I just go by decades.
SPEAKER_04 (01:58):
Right.
Yeah, and more, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
But you've you've helped so many of us, Ms.
Lee, from the 80s all the way upuntil like we're talking about
from little Patrick Burks andQuincy Dengis and all these kids
that are like, oh, that was mygym teacher.
You've been amazing since then.
It's not just about gym, butyour actual heart and care for
young people.
We appreciate you, and we wantto give you your flowers, and we
(02:23):
want you to have your time tospeak.
So if you're gonna firstintroduce yourself and tell the
people who you are, and the theones that don't know who you
are, which are probably faraway, but this is Miss Lee,
everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
Well, hi everybody, and this is really an honor.
And I'm I'm like uh so humbledthat you wanted me to to get on
and and speak about, you know,um, I gotta take my glasses off.
Um about the love of of beingable to to motivate uh kids to
(02:57):
love life and play and and enjoyuh being with all all kinds of
kids and all age kids.
And I I love seeing adultsgetting out there and playing
too.
That's a you know, life shouldbe fun.
And I believe in, hey, you workhard, you get to play hard.
And that's what we do.
We we try to do that, and um uhthat's why um you know I I would
(03:23):
have taught maybe a little bitlonger than 45 years, but that
the darn computer stuff is alittle bit too.
SPEAKER_04 (03:30):
We're with you on that, trust me.
SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
But uh I I love you know seeing you know students,
uh past students like you guysgive back to the community and
care about all these people withyou know your your hoop love.
Um every year, you how manyyears have you been doing that?
SPEAKER_03 (03:48):
I did it for four years.
This year, unfortunately, wedidn't get to do it because I
had some issues going on, butI'm gonna continue it and I have
it, I have a different thinggoing on with it.
But yes, it's always like beinga four.
We play it up, we plan onbringing that back.
That's helped taught us andtrained us how to be like those
people, and you've shown the wayand you've led by example, and
(04:10):
we appreciate you so much.
So, this is all about yougetting your flowers tonight.
SPEAKER_01 (04:14):
Oh gosh.
Well, if you can help me getswimming for all and uh swim
pools that everybody gets tolearn to swim in gym class,
that's what I'd love.
Right now, um, I am getting toteach the whole fifth grade of
Daniel Morgan.
Um, if if the uh if the parentssign the permission slip, they
either bust over to the indoorpool at Jim Barnett Park, and I
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teach them swimming.
They're um if they already knowhow to swim, I give them a
workout.
And um uh if they don't know howto swim, it might they're not
Olympic champions, but they canget down the pool, they can be
able to jump in in deep waterand be safe and have fun.
So field day can be fun forthem.
SPEAKER_04 (04:54):
Right, right, right.
That's that's amazing.
So, where did when did yourteaching journey start?
Let's go way back.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
Okay, I started I came here from uh Wymissing,
Pennsylvania, fresh out ofcollege, and uh well no, I
actually was still in college,but um I came here in 74 to
teach, and Daniel Morgan hadjust opened, and Miss Martha
Crispin and I uh were babyteachers together.
She was at Hanley, and and um Iwas at Daniel Morgan, and I
(05:25):
think um Jim Barnett and DannyLee got me my job at Daniel
Morgan uh two weeks before.
And I have to give kudos to you.
Danny Lee thought the world ofyou, Chris.
Uh he and Mike Thompson used toofficiate you down at the armory
in basketball.
SPEAKER_04 (05:40):
Oh, old armor.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
He can probably tell you stories because I'm not
familiar with the name, but nowI appreciate that, but he can
probably tell you stories howthey had to deal with me.
I was kicked out of games at alittle age and everything else.
And but they saw a lot in you.
Well, that's but that's a greatstory.
(06:03):
Like, no lie, I really thinkwhoever that gentleman is you
just spoke about, that that'samazing, and thank you, sir,
because I was in trouble and Iwas just unequipped to handle
life at that age, but that's whyI needed people like Miss Lee,
Miss Christman, and and MissPartlow to help me along the
way.
And Miss Lee, you your story isso many people have left
(06:24):
messages for you today, and wereally want you to get your
flowers because you deservethem.
Like you don't understand howmany lives you've impacted and
you've touched in a positiveway.
SPEAKER_01 (06:33):
Well, it's touched me, it's been my life.
I always say this is my sociallife, being with the kids and
and going to all the events.
Uh and coaching, whenever youcoach, that's like your second
family.
I mean, you're living and beingwith those kids, and whether
it's co-ed, a co-ed team or umjust a girls' team, or you
follow the boys' team, you justlove them.
(06:54):
And um, your heart goes out tothem, win or lose.
You're uh you're you feel forthem.
And um knowing knowing that theyknow that I care about them
makes me feel good.
SPEAKER_04 (07:06):
Right.
Right.
Now, I was gonna touch on thatnow.
What was your coaching journey?
What all did you coach?
SPEAKER_01 (07:12):
Well, Daniel Morgan started uh girls cross country,
girls track, girls basketball.
Um we had a gymnastic club, wehad um intramurals, um, and that
wasn't coaching, but you know,we we did that.
Um uh but and I did I I didcheerleading too.
(07:33):
I had the cheerleaders in theback and uh girls basketball
team in the front, that was fun.
Right um and I assisted one oneyear um with uh Coach Jackson
boys basketball and wrestling.
I I was there one year, but umuh yeah, all the sports.
SPEAKER_04 (07:54):
It was yeah, I'm like, yeah, what what didn't you
do?
And then football?
SPEAKER_01 (07:58):
I would have.
I love football.
Oh yeah, and s I coach swimmingfor Hanley.
I was we started the Hanley HighSchool swim team.
SPEAKER_04 (08:05):
Oh, so you and that's my first that's my first
love.
Gotcha.
Okay, okay.
Look, Dunn lost Chris, he'lljump back on.
So yeah, your coaching journey.
So now let's speak on, let'sjust jump right at you know,
your two for two foundation, thebig swim, because it has ice
skating too, right?
Right as a part of it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:22):
Um the two for two foundation really started back
right after COVID um 2021.
And we we saw some of us uhretired teachers, we saw the
need for um more indoor pools,right, right uh, so that
everybody, all the schools couldbe involved.
And hockey, ice hockey is big inthis area, and all the money's
(08:45):
going out out of our town,outside.
We could have ice hockey righthere.
We have um inline hockey uh overat Jameswood Middle School, but
um figure skating and ice hockeyare are big sports, and it's a
family thing too that you cando.
Um so we really want to, andit's uh it's a scientific fact
(09:07):
that the water and ice gotogether, and financially it
really uh is worth it.
So we're trying to to work on umwe're still trying to to get two
indoor pools and two ice rinks.
Um preferably in Jim BarnettPark, but if it's in Freverie
County, in Middletown orwherever, uh we'd all be we'd
(09:27):
all benefit from it.
SPEAKER_04 (09:28):
Right, right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
And uh that's the thing with swimming, you can
from cradle to the grave, youcan keep swimming.
Right.
And um, right the physicaltherapy of the pool really helps
people, basketball players canget their legs and back back
into shape if they just float inthe pool.
SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
Right.
Hey, I mean, I've said, youknow, uh swimming's a great
exercise, you know, a total bodyexercise.
Yeah, go ahead, Chris.
I think you're here now.
We can hear you now.
SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
No, I was just gonna say, if you ladies and gentlemen
hear that, look, let's go getthese two pools and let's make
this thing happen for Miss Leein the community.
Because I'm gonna be honest, myfavorite sport is swimming, and
people think that I'm a fishwhenever we go to the beach.
No, they they get nervoussometimes, they're like, we
can't see you because you go sofar out, and I'm always like,
(10:19):
Yes, let's go to those big shipswithin the ocean.
And until I get scared ofsharks, Miss Lee, I try to come
back, but I'm like, I could notrace them.
But you love those community,and if we can get some pools in
the community, because I'msurprised there's still the
indoor pool at Gym Ronette Park.
And when I was young, they had aweight room with like two or
three weights in there.
(10:39):
Maybe maybe it was five six, butthat was in the beginning when
you first walked into the gym.
And for you to still have that,but still need help.
Let's let's get that communityhelp.
Let's help Ms.
Lee.
She's helped all of us, ladiesand gentlemen.
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
So we're thank you.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
Let's do what we can do, whether it's through Ms.
Lee and her foundation, and whatis it, two for two?
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
Two for two means two indoor pools and two ice
rinks.
And um uh and I was tellingTony, um, we we've had paid for
over 6,000 people, 6,000 kids tohave swimming lessons since um
2022 and um or 2023.
SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
With a lot of kids.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Two or three years, yeah.
Yeah, right.
And and there's no um there's nored cross free learn to swim
anymore.
So swimming costs money to justlike everything else, but it
should it should be in publicschools so that everybody gets a
chance to have it, to learn toswim.
Um and that would be wonderful.
And we have um um uh um we'reaffiliated with um the community
(11:46):
foundation of northernShenandoah Valley.
Donations could be made there.
Um people have donated so muchmoney for swim lessons.
Um, and the our our consultant,she's she's gotten, she's um
received so many grants, likeshe's brought in thousands of
dollars with her grant writing,so we're lucky there.
(12:07):
And we did try to do a worldrecord and raised a hundred
thousand dollars back in, Iguess, twenty twenty-three.
But uh, and we would raise moreif we knew if we had the land,
people would donate more togetting these facilities.
We're still trying to get theland.
SPEAKER_04 (12:24):
Yeah, the land is a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
We don't want to buy the land, we want we want to be
able to support a public um weuh uh a public place like um we
have we're a public non-profitum uh uh mission um project.
So, anyways.
SPEAKER_04 (12:43):
So so what was the plan going back?
You know, when you I guess youguys proposed it to I guess
Winchester Park and Rec.
So what was the initial plan,like to build a whole new
facility or use what theexisting indoor park?
This the pool, I should say.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
The the city pool, the outdoor pool that Jim
Barnett had such a vision tohave a 50-meter pool, it's it's
on it, it's old.
It was built in 1968, right?
So, you know, it might not lasttoo long.
And the indoor pool was built in1978, and we helped raise money.
The life I was a lifeguard then,and Jim Barnett, the director of
(13:19):
the pool, told us you gotta talkto these.
You he basically said you gottaschmooze the politicians, and we
did, right, and we got theindoor pool, but those two
pools, um, they're we don't knowhow long they're gonna last.
So we'll we would keep them tillthe others would get built up
there.
SPEAKER_03 (13:37):
Um we gotta build them soon then.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
Well, I'm living long enough to see it happen, so
she's it's I can handle it.
SPEAKER_04 (13:46):
Right.
But what she's not goinganywhere until she sees it
happen.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
We gotta help make it happen.
So, ladies and gentlemen, hey,that's what we're here for.
That's why she's on to putmostly and help the the cause
for the community.
Look, that's what it's about.
And honestly, though, when youthink about some of the best
athletes of all time, most oftheir important training, you
guys might not realize it, butit comes from being in the water
and and swimming techniques, andit builds their strength and
(14:15):
their endurance up more than youmay ever know, but it's because
of the water and the pools andeverything else.
So you know, I go ahead, Mr.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Oh, I was gonna say my favorite commercial is
Shaquille and O'Neill racing myuh Michael Phelps.
Oh that is a and he's got thehe's got the you know the the
tight swim trunks on and allthat kind of stuff.
Right.
And he looked, he was reallygood.
He did a good job.
So Michael Phelps is the GOAT.
(14:44):
Yeah, he is.
SPEAKER_04 (14:46):
Yes, he is, that'd be right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
We've even written you've helped train so many
phenomenal young athletes, andmaybe they came under your
shadow in your wings.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
There's a lot of great athletes and a lot of
people in the community who havebeen showing you a lot of love
lately on the Facebook post andeverything else about the show
tonight.
And we might not be able tospeak about all of them, but I
know there's so many people fromthe late 80s all the way through
to 2000s that I've seen commentsand messages come through
tonight or yesterday about you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Oh thank you.
Well, I'll tell you, all thepeople that have come into my
life through teaching andcoaching.
I mean, the memories I have keepme going forever.
And um, I always want to bearound, be able to help kids and
and families to enjoy life andbe healthy and f I'm not saying
(15:38):
you don't have to be the uhsuperstar athlete, but just make
sure you're healthy and uh keepgoing.
SPEAKER_04 (15:45):
Right, right.
And I and I've always said, likeChris said, I was a when I think
of you as it's energetic andalways smiling, like Miss Lee is
always smiling and positive, youknow.
Always, always.
But yeah, what you do for thecommunity and the swimming is a
great in the ice skating, even Ididn't even know ice skating was
(16:06):
a big thing here.
Being I guess South Virginia,you know, but uh how can people
get into it again, you know?
Well do you guys have likeregistration and stuff like that
to sign up?
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
Yeah, well, the the only hockey thing that we have
here is uh um uh what is itcalled top the top of Virginia
hockey.
The Capitals, the ice hockeyteam capitals actually gave us,
gave um the ice hockey peoplehere$100,000 to build that
capitals then?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
And it's at Jameswood MiddleSchool.
(16:39):
Um it's where the old tenniscourts are.
They're playing right now.
SPEAKER_04 (16:43):
Oh, okay.
I just didn't even know that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah.
But again, it's not real ice,but those kids go to Hagerstown
and to Leesburg and all theseother places to play.
Um and the figure skaters go outof town too.
But I know growing up, we Imean, in the wintertime, that
was the big thing.
Your whole family went outthere.
Right.
I used to shovel the ice uh onthis pond, so they'd let me play
(17:07):
ice hockey with the boys.
But it was it was so fun.
But it's it's um it's anotherthing for mental health, mental
and physical health withfamilies, everything.
It's a great, great thing.
Right.
And uh with with the swimming,there shouldn't, there's
absolutely no excuse for peopleto drown anymore.
SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
Oh, I agree, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
We have to stop, we have to prevent drowning by
teaching uh everyone to swim.
SPEAKER_04 (17:32):
Yeah, and like is it back to again when you're
starting with the fifth gradenow in the school?
SPEAKER_01 (17:37):
The fifth grade com comes over in the um the indoor
pool, the Winchester Parks andWreck have been wonderful,
letting them swim, and they havethe fourth graders come over
with inner murals, so all allthe elementary city kids.
But the county doesn't get anyof that.
SPEAKER_04 (17:52):
Oh, so they don't so it's just for city kids right
now?
Okay.
All right, and that's great.
I gotta get my son in he's inthird grade right now.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Oh, we'll sign him up next year.
SPEAKER_04 (18:03):
We'll get him out as soon as possible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_04 (18:06):
Yeah, we used to have a pool in our yard, but
that's how our boys learned.
I just threw them in there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Well, some kids you can do that with, but right.
Most most people, uh it's notadvised to do that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:19):
We we can't do that anymore as child abuse friends.
But not the way we used tolearn, just throw you in the
water and survive.
Yep, I get it.
Chris, what's going on with you,man?
Your connection, you keep on itoff, on it off.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Unfortunately, just like Ms.
Lee, like I'm not so great withtechnology at times, and I just
realized I should have chargedmy phone.
SPEAKER_04 (18:42):
Oh boy.
See?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Oh but it's cool.
I'm back.
And I learned how to swim offthe had dive in 1988 at uh
Winchester Parks and Wreck atJim Barnett because when I grew
up in the Evans home, they tookus to the pool.
I went up there as a littlemischievous kid, mischievous
kid, all the way up top.
(19:05):
And when the time of the thekids, the older kids in the
Evans home was yelling, oh look,that's little Chris up there.
I jumped off.
They tried to come save me, butlook, I doggy paddled all the
way to the typo.
I told them I could swim, whichit was a lot, but they made me
swim back and forth.
They made me swim back andforth.
SPEAKER_04 (19:26):
Well, you're a brave soul, I guess.
Didn't know that's one, butstill jumped in there.
SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
Hey, I did it.
They they said swim back andforth and live the pool twice.
I did it, and next thing youknow, I was able to go deep in
my whole life, and I just lovedswimming.
SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Honestly, I really wish we would have had swimming
as a team when I was in school.
Yeah, it we didn't get a swimteam until 1997.
SPEAKER_04 (19:49):
That's how at hand say it, don't say it, Chris.
Here it comes.
SPEAKER_03 (19:54):
Look, what do you say?
Tony graduated in '97, so wecould have actually been a part
of it, but we would have beengreat.
SPEAKER_01 (20:02):
Yeah, see.
We started with the first team.
We had four football players onthe team.
Right.
And uh uh it was it was it wasgreat.
They could sprint, they could dowhat you did.
It wasn't doggy paddle, but theywent as fast as they could, up
and back, and that's all theycould give me.
But they did it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (20:21):
Actually, you're talking about Ms.
Martha Christman.
Sarah Christman said to say hiand that she loves you, and
you're one of her favoritepeople ever.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
She's she's my girl.
I just love her, and I'm so gladshe's teaching.
She teaches fourth grade at JohnKerr, and she gets she organizes
the swimming intermurals fromJohn Kerr.
So it's great.
SPEAKER_03 (20:41):
Oh, so she's in the Winchester community.
That's a good job.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Yep, that's what's neat.
When people come back to andlike you guys, and you give
back, but whether you'reteaching or coaching, it's
wonderful.
I didn't know.
SPEAKER_03 (20:56):
Well, I'm gonna be honest, the first year of Hoops
for Hope, I wasn't sure that Iwould be able to pull it off.
I was confident because that'swho I am.
But to see you, Miss Christman,and Miss Partlow come that first
year, that set me on fire aslike so motivated, so happy and
thrilled.
I I couldn't believe you threeladies came and I was like, wow.
(21:18):
Oh, we thought we were gonna beable to do it.
It really made my event feel sosuper special, besides the other
reasons for the the players andthe people.
But see, we'll get you out therea coach next year.
SPEAKER_04 (21:30):
Oh, when we do see just being the coaches for the
boys.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_03 (21:37):
Oh, yeah, a lot of people came the first year.
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Well, it's always fun to be around people who have
the heart have such heart forfor our our community and for
our kids, everything.
SPEAKER_03 (21:51):
Um that's why Tony and I do what we do, but out of
all the people we've ever had onthe show, you deserve your
flowers like the most.
Oh, well, thank you.
Because you gave it to us whenwe didn't even know what being
the leader of myself or havinghope was at the time.
I'm being honest, Ms.
Lee.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
Well, you know what?
You guys don't give yourselfcredit.
You can tell you always hadheart.
You guys had heart and guts todo things, you know.
You even though you uh, youknow, you weren't taught to have
that, you you were you had thatinside you, and it it always
showed.
It'll you know you know, whenyou'd play basketball or you'd
(22:32):
play with the other kids, youwent at it hard, and that's what
we love.
SPEAKER_04 (22:37):
So there you go, Chris.
So you got your flowers, right?
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
No, she no, she needs her flowers all the time.
Oh, I know because if we cantell you the comments from
people like oh, I can't evenremember.
So there's so many commentscoming in about you, Miss Lee,
and how that's because I'm old.
Oh, those people grew up eitherwithin the four or five years
(23:01):
before me and Tony or after us,and like it's amazing to see
that like you can you impactedour time frame tremendously.
SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Yeah, believe it or not, you did.
Well, you did.
SPEAKER_03 (23:14):
It's really great to hear this.
One thing before we move on orget to anything else, because my
favorite thing, and I brought itup, is you trained, I remember
the the song I remember themost, but you taught us how to
line dance.
I do the line dance but at anearly age of hip-hop when
hip-hop became kind of popularwith Beastie Boys and Run DMC
(23:34):
and stuff in the 80s in theearly 90s before hip-hop was
still that big, we didn't live,we didn't know Big E and Jay-Z
and Miles or none of them yet.
You taught us how to line danceto people like Dickabore Planets
in a song called I'm Cool LikeThat?
I'm cool like that.
And you you had us line dancingand going off.
Oh, what made you incorporateline dancing into gym class and
(23:57):
and and then moving them towardship-hop and line dancing?
Like, what made you do that atthose days?
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
Well, I loved line dance.
I just thought here that'ssomething that gets everybody
moving.
It doesn't matter if you're aboy or a girl, you don't have to
touch each other, but it's it'sgreat movement and coordination.
And I don't even I don't evenhear words very well.
So I love, I just go to the beatof the music, and I thought it
just feels good to get out thereand do that.
(24:24):
And um our Friday line dancedays, and I loved it when Mr.
Norman and some of the othercoaches would be out there.
SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
Mr.
Chambers actually said the samething.
Oh, Mr.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Chambers helped me out.
Yep.
The King Tut.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (24:38):
That's one we gotta get on to is Mr.
Norman.
We gotta get him out of thewoods, I hear.
He's in the backwoods somewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah, he's living his life.
He was one of my favoriteteachers, too.
And you know what?
He deserves flowers, I'll tellyou.
He's he helped me so much, andhe's just I agree, he's one of
the all-time best coaches, bestpeople in education.
SPEAKER_04 (24:58):
I love I love Mr.
Norman.
SPEAKER_03 (25:00):
Yeah, Mr.
Norman's actually all of ourfavorites as the male teacher
and uh gym teacher.
But Mr.
Norman, uh Mr.
Chambers and Mr.
Coonley said to say hi to you,and and they love you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Oh, I I had fun with Big E and Mr.
Coonley.
We had a great staff for it.
We we really had had fun.
SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
That's why we got the best times growing up in
those days because it was thatwas who the teachers were you
guys.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Well, we all could have fun together.
That's what was that's what weneed to to show the kids that
you know uh you don't have to bethe best at something.
You try to be your best, but youget out there and do it.
You don't just watch and and anduh you you get involved.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
Right.
So I got a quote.
I know you taught a long time,coached a long time.
So in teaching, what is one ofyour biggest memories or
accomplishment?
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Teaching-wise first, then we'll get to coaching
teaching-wise, um when I I haveto say with the with the girls,
when a girl who uh wasoverweight and was was always
(26:12):
you know sitting on thesideline, right?
Uh she when she finally said,Can I go in and play?
I'll never forget that.
Uh, that made me feel so goodafter all the years, she would
always stand back and andrefuse, but she finally felt
comfortable enough to do to getin and join join us.
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Right, yeah, yeah.
I get yeah, that's that's a goodone.
SPEAKER_01 (26:37):
So now coaching, or was that oh coaching in every
every sport you coach, there'sthere's memories.
Oh, I know there's a lot.
You know, uh I have to say it'sSarah, Sarah Crispin, uh Waldorf
will laugh, but the first yearwe had our Hanley swim team,
those bo those football players,uh the boys, and and they were
(26:58):
helping Sarah learn how to divebecause she'd have spaghetti
legs, she never stretched herlegs, right?
And we got her, but she was soso good.
And those girls, uh well, Sarahand Elizabeth Stevens and um uh
Callie Callie Walk and someothers, um they stayed with me
in swimming.
(27:18):
Um, and and it was just it wasjust a wonderful time.
And Leslie, I have to tellLeslie Boyd helped was my
assistant, and she was amazing.
Um but we we just every sporthas has good memories, I have to
tell you that.
SPEAKER_04 (27:34):
Yeah, I know.
It's not well who I'm curious,who was the football, the four
football players?
Okay, well that first year.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
Wes Blackwell.
Um I don't know.
Shout out to Wes.
Yeah, I remember Wes Blackwell,um Paul Carpenter.
Yeah, uh my boy uh oh my gosh.
Um oh, uh he's right at thetime, and his mother's on
Christine, what's her last name?
SPEAKER_04 (28:00):
David Burke?
SPEAKER_01 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
Oh look, Chris probably look, Chris, you
probably know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
No, it's Bart.
Bart Oh Chazler.
SPEAKER_04 (28:08):
Bart Chazler.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, he was the kid.
How do I remember that name?
She's like, geez.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
And we had Chris Boyd too, and and we I mean it
was we had some really coolkids.
And uh are you are you teachingChris Boyd's uh daughters at
all?
They don't live here.
Oh, Charlotte.
They they they I think they livearound Richmond.
Okay.
So they're they're both they'reall in sports though, and he
coaches.
(28:36):
So yeah.
But um, you see the impactyou've made from far here and
far away?
SPEAKER_04 (28:42):
Well, right, right, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
It's it's just a joy to hear that, and it's and it
keeps me going.
Um, you know, whenever youwhenever you get down because
you had tragedies or somethingin your life, you have all these
good things to to lift you up.
So and all these good people.
SPEAKER_04 (29:00):
I am.
I'm I'm honored to have I wouldI was pumped what Chris said you
would be on.
Oh because we're always afraidpeople would be like, no, no.
But it's like, why not?
But I'm I'm honored too you'rehere.
Like, thank you, and so good tosee you.
You too.
You know, you've touched so manypeople's lives, and it's it's
amazing what you do right now,you know, and you're still
(29:21):
going.
Like I said, you're just to me,you're a bundle of joy.
Oh well, thank you.
You you motivate me, and I'msure Chris, you know, at the
same time.
SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
Um we gotta keep this motivation stuff going for
our the younger generations.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
Exactly.
Yep, you're exactly right.
So again, you know, we'll we'llin closing, you know, you let
everybody know, you know, howthey can give, you know, two for
your two for two foundation andeverything like that.
You know, all the info you cangive out there.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
Well, we do have we have a website.
Um, we're on Facebook, and twofor two, it's the number two,
and then And uh the word for FORand the number two, two for two
foundation.
Uh and it's post office box1908, Winchester, Virginia, or
like just two fortwofoundation.org on Facebook if
(30:15):
you want to donate or you wantto have any questions.
Somebody else did that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:21):
Right, yeah.
Well, just make sure you'll getall that info from you too.
We'll put it up on our you knowFacebook page.
That would definitely advertiseit for you, you know, help you
help you guys out anyway.
We can put it out there.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
Oh, that would be great.
SPEAKER_04 (30:36):
Oh, yeah.
Well, we try, Miss, we try.
Yeah.
So I guess Chris is havingtechnical difficulties.
He's on and off, he's off again.
But Miss Lee, it was greathaving you to be able to do
that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Oh, it's great.
Great to be with you.
Yes.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (30:49):
Like I say, you're a joy to be around, a positive
influence on these kids still tothis day.
Uh and I was what?
You taught me when I was 11, 12,something out of the third.
The middle school years.
Middle school year, whatevernumber that is, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
And I hope you can get Larry Norman.
SPEAKER_04 (31:06):
Uh hey, well, help us out.
Uh I will.
Help us out.
I would love to have Mr.
Norman on.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Out of the blue, I get phone calls.
He's uh he'll call.
And um uh Ernest Chambers andPatrick Coonley could help, and
Scott Burns is another personwho could help.
SPEAKER_04 (31:20):
Yeah, you got that credit of a try.
We gotta get Mr.
Norman.
SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
Everybody would love it.
Mr.
Burns used to want me to runalong this.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Man, I forgot about Mr.
Burns.
Oh, I bet.
Well, he's I think Mr.
Burns, I he might still becoaching.
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
Really?
Yeah.
I forgot all about it because hewas my neighbor for a lot on the
north side.
He lived behind us.
Yeah, I forgot all about Mr.
Burns.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
And he keeps in touch with with Mr.
Norman, too.
SPEAKER_04 (31:46):
Those two have them both on at the same time.
That would be yeah.
That would be awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
I haven't seen or heard from Mr.
Burns in years, but I talked toMr.
Norman not too long ago, andhe's doing great.
SPEAKER_04 (31:59):
Oh yeah.
So you contacted him.
But yeah, I'm thankingeverybody.
SPEAKER_03 (32:04):
You you just Mr.
Cooley Chamber, those that's myera, and I love him, and that's
why we love Miss Lee.
Ms.
Lee, how to tell all those menwas around.
Ms.
Lee was the one.
You were the staple.
SPEAKER_04 (32:15):
Thank you.
You had to keep all them guys inline, right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
I did.
I felt like I was General Lee atthe gym stuff.
I'm sure you did.
Right.
I'm sure you did.
But I wouldn't have traded itfor anything.
SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
Because just because they were our teachers, they
were still boys and they wereenough.
Like, look.
SPEAKER_04 (32:36):
They were great.
So but Chris and Chloe, Iappreciate her being on.
And you can join us anytime.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:46):
Anytime.
But yeah, just give us that infoand we'll put it up on our site.
Can I just text it to you?
Yeah, that's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (32:54):
That'd be great.
And tell people to like us onFacebook because that helps us
get grant money.
SPEAKER_04 (33:01):
Okay.
The more likes you have.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
All right, everybody.
Go like two for two foundationon Facebook.
Everybody got that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
Really proud of you guys.
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (33:10):
I appreciate it.
We're proud of you.
Thank you.
You're an influence toeverybody.
Everybody loves you, Miss Lee.
SPEAKER_03 (33:17):
We really do love you.
You deserve your flowers eachand every day.
And most of us wouldn't be whowe are without people like you
in our lives, and we appreciateit so much.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Well, I appreciate you too, Chris and Tody.
Thank you.
You made my month, my year.
Oh shoot.
SPEAKER_04 (33:35):
You're gonna make me blush.
But hey, in closing, everybody,uh, you know, go check out
Brothers with Opinions, ourFacebook page, and subscribe to
our YouTube channel as well.
And like I said, help Miss Leefor two for two foundation.
We'll have that information, youknow, up on our page and go, you
know, donate and help these kidsget swimming lessons on ice
(33:58):
skating, too.
SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
And let's go get these two pools that Winchester
needs.
Please help the cause.
Amen.
SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
Right.
Yeah, but so hey, appreciate youagain.
Can't say it enough.
Thanks.
Thanks for joining us, and hey,everybody, tune in next week.
All right.
All right, thanks, Chris.
I'll talk to you shortly.
SPEAKER_03 (34:15):
All right, you guys, thank you guys.
Have a blessed night, Miss Lee.
Love you so much.
We love you.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
Love you too.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
All right, everybody.
Have a good night.
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Big voice, no silence, revolution televised.
Ain't no good in private.
Knowledge to the ignorant.
Ain't never been blitzed.
Stand up and be heard.
We the new activists.
Brothers with opinion, let thecombo begin.
You know communicating be, butthen you must apprehend.
Quick B rope, let the voices beheard.
(34:45):
We enlightened by the proof andnow we spread in the words.
We learn to live when we can dothe dark.
Many tools, we would spokebecause we believe in the dark.
You know the kid, kick, kick onthe cards in the sky.
(35:10):
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