From High School Hoops to NFL Playoff Predictions: A Deep Dive into Sports Rivalries and Rankings

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How do high school basketball rivalries set the stage for future NBA stars? Explore the vibrant world of local sports as we revel in the exhilarating performances of Warren County, Nelson County, and Handley. We're hyped for Handley's upcoming showdowns against James Wood and Skyline, and eagerly anticipate a future clash with Charlottesville at Millbrook. Our attention then shifts to the gridiron, where the Dallas Cowboys' fierce contest with the Washington Commanders captures the heart of NFL Sunday. Feel the pulse of the game as we analyze every play and predict outcomes that keep you on the edge of your seat.

Celebrations are in order as "Brothers with Opinions" climbs to the fifth spot in the local podcast rankings! With this achievement, we tackle the NFL playoff picture with renewed vigor. The Kansas City Chiefs' supremacy is dissected alongside the Cincinnati Bengals' impressive streak, as we ponder playoff possibilities. Join us in a spirited debate comparing the league's elite quarterbacks. As we weigh the talents of Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen, we imagine the perfect fit for the Dallas team and recognize the remarkable growth Lamar has shown this season.

Peering into the future, we untangle the playoff scenarios unfolding across the AFC and NFC. Denver's Patrick Surtain emerges as a defensive powerhouse, while the Chargers and Steelers strategize their playoff positions. The NFC's playoff landscape is equally intriguing, with the Atlanta Falcons and Tampa Bay Buccaneers locked in crucial battles. As anticipation builds, we passionately debate Zay Flowers' standing among top NFL wide receivers, measuring him against giants like Justin Jefferson and Ja'Marr Chase. With each chapter, we promise insights that leave you eagerly awaiting the thrilling games to come.

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was ready, bro.
It's a hindrance.
Silence is cassette, so letyour voices be heard, man, we
brothers with opinions.
Now we spreading the word.
Bringing light to the darkRevolution is our art.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Man.
A lot of people talk, but theyain't never walked apart.
Gotta shine a light on povertyand fight against injustice and
always speak the truth when theenemy is in the way.
Ladies and gentlemen, it'sanother Sunday, beautiful day,
last day of the NFL Sunday, somebig games on the tickets today,
but nothing better than that.
Winchester love between thestars down there in Dirty Dallas

(00:51):
and them, washington Redskins.
Baby or Commanders, you knowwhatever they call us, but just
put that W for win today.
Anyway, we're going to do itlive, like we usually do, with
my man, tony, mr Twin myself.
You guys already know theyslave Zeb every other weekend,
so he's over there on the clock,but we're going to get after it
and start with that local newswith Mr TD in the building.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, Chris, let's go .
We got the local high schoolbasketball scores, and I'll
start with Monday.
Earlier this week we had WarrenCounty defeated Hilton 68-48.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Where's Hilton out at Northern Virginia?
Hell, if I know I'd have tolook Like Woodbridge area or
something.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Anyway, I'll figure it out.
Nelson County defeated Sharando55-49.
Who was it he's asking whereHilton's at?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
No, who be Sheridan Nelson County?
I've never even heard of them.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I've heard of them.
I think they might be from WestVirginia.
Sounds like yeah.
And then Hanley defeatedEastern Mennonite 88 to 35.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Look, they just be smoking teams.
Hilton High.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
School is in Woodbridge.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Look see, I was right .
That's what I'm saying.
Cd Hilton that's a surprise.
They're playing them.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And then so, moving on to Thursday, until there was
next local game.
They had Strasburg beat WarrenCounty 70-55.
And then on the Friday nightslate, it was Haley defeated
Lightridge 56-40.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
That was Jermaine.
Yes, jermaine Walker, babyJ-Dub.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
He had them boys ready, man.
They came to play For real, forreal.
They played great Lightridge.
Isn't that great, not thatgreat.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
And he had them ready to get a shot.
I'm keeping it.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
What was the score, Tony?
56 to 40.
So you only won by 16.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
By 16.
And at Nelson County they'relocated, out of Lovingston
Virginia.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow, we were wrong, and I ain't never even heard of
Lovingston Virginia.
Wow, we were wrong, and I ain'tnever even heard of Lovingston
Right, and where is that at?
That's wild Lovingston Virginia.
Yeah, I've been around Virginiaa long time.
I ain't never heard of it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, it's new to me.
Never heard of them.
So that's your local scoreseveryone.
And then upcoming high schoolgames.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No games yesterday.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
No, I believe there was none yesterday, on Saturday
nothing.
So I lost my train of thoughtyeah hanley plays james wood
this tuesday and then friday.
The big one everybody wants tosee is uh hanley versus skyline,
and that'll be at hanley.

(03:57):
So that's your upcoming uhgames there hanley needs to
smoke them, boys good to meetyou.
So that's your upcoming gamesthere.
Hanley needs to smoke them boys.
Get them out of here.
James Wood, oh Skyline, theybetter not sleep on James.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Wood, though Michael Bell and them, be over there,
they ready.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
They got some big kids.
Honestly, I'll just keep itreal.
James Wood, that game it won'tbe close at all.
Hanley will smoke James Wood,Sorry Bates, He'll have them
ready, but it's just the talentdisparity.
You know what I mean.
And then Skyline I feel myprediction for that one is it'll

(04:39):
be close, probably in thebeginning of the game, but then
Hanley will just be too and pullaway.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's looking like Lovingston.
That's my prediction.
Lovingston's around like it'sin between Charlottesville and
Lynchburg.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Man they got a kick, which is crazy because I lived
in Lynchburg for five and a halfsix years.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
And that's who Sherando played yeah they played
.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, sherando, dang and some other surrounding
cities is like Roanoke,lynchburg, charlottesville,
stanton, it's like right therein that mix it's on Route, I
want to say Route 29, somewhereoff of Route 64.
I want to say Route 29,somewhere off of Route 64.

(05:28):
So big ups to all the localschools, though man stepping
outside their box playing teamsthat are really not in their
area.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, now I'm kind of questioning when Zach was on
and he was saying man, I'll putmy schedule up against anybody
Shit.
I got to look at Sharando'sschedule.
Yeah, they seem like they.
I got to compare schedules hereit seems like Sharando's
schedule.
Yeah, they seem like they.
I've got to compare scheduleshere it seems like Sharando's
playing some competitive teams.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, but he's smart to play outside of the box.
Nelson County.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I ain't going to lie, we've never heard of them, so I
don't think they're that big.
They can't be that big.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's the thing I've got to look into, but
Charlottesville.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
When is that Hanley-Charlottesville game?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh, that's in a couple weeks.
Give me a second, wayne, yougoing to that?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Charlottesville, you're going to play.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Charlottesville Is it at Haley.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, I think it's going to be at Millbrook.
That's what they have listed.
Oh, that's right there AtMillbrook.
Yeah, it's still.
They play on the 25th.
Is that an invitational?
No, I don't know if it was likea neutral site or.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
But it'd be a home game for Hanley because it's
right there.
But that's weird that theywouldn't let him play at Hanley.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
So anyway, as of now, Like Tony said, it's got to be
a neutral site there.
It has to be, so why would youdrive across town when you got
your old gym?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Like it makes no sense why would you drive across
town when you got your own gym?
Like you're saying, unlesssomething's going on at Haley,
that day Could be, and theycan't play at this.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
The girls might be playing that day, you never know
, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So that's the 25th, chris.
That's near the end of themonth when they play new.
That's wild, mm wild.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So that's the Millbrook for opening their
doors for Hanley.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah, they should have just took that neutral site
at Shenandoah, unlessShenandoah.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, should have got Shenandoah's due.
That's what you got on.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
UVA.
That's what you got to think,though the availability of the
gym.
You never know what's going onon that day.
That's probably why theyscheduled it somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think Andy has a concert that night actually.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Justin Garber's band is playing.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Justin Garber's band is playing.
He might be.
Hey, shout out to Justin Garber, though.
He's doing his thing.
Got an album out and everything.
That's somebody we have to haveon the show.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, before we get into these NFL playoffs, I want
to give a shout out to myChicago Bulls for knocking off
those New York Knicks last night.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh, shots fired.
Hey, I ain't got nothing to say.
Jason Blunson had 28 athalftime and finished with 33,
so Levine and them all end upwith 33.
I was like, damn, it was a wildgame, but big win for the Bulls
.
Yeah, that's bad for the Knicks.
And guess what?
Shout out to somebody who'sranked number fifth in the
podcast in the area.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Oh yeah, who would that be?
My New York brother over there,because I'm a Chicago Bulls fan
, so you know I had to give hima little bit of love.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, so who would that be?
We're ranked fifth in all ofthe week area Podcast Chris yeah
.
Brothers with opinions yeah.
So everybody thanks for thesupport.
Yeah, we're fifth.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Keep it up.
Thanks for all the support.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Behind two church groups at first and second.
Third is a local real estatepodcast and fourth is a local
musician podcast.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
And then us.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So we must be doing something right With Opinions
Podcast.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
We need all the likes , subscribes.
Keep showing us love, man, weappreciate it.
Yes, sir, we're it.
Yes sir, we're going to goahead and jump right into this
NFL playoff action baby.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well, do we want to do NFL or?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
college first.
We're going NFL, baby, let'sroll.
Okay, do we want to go NFLfirst?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Because today's the last day of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
All right, so jumping into NFL, we're going to
discuss the playoff pitcher.
So AFC, we have, as of rightnow, you have the Bills, or I'm
sorry there you go, the.
Chiefs are first.
The Chiefs are right now at thebye Bills, ravens, texans for

(09:44):
Chargers fifth seed, steelerssixth seed.
So scenarios me and Chris werediscussing this is the Bengals
won last night on a five-gamewinning streak and they need
Denver and Miami to lose to takethat seventh spot.
I'd like to see Cincinnati getin there, because Denver's in
the seventh spot right now.

(10:04):
Oh, I'd love to see Cincinnatiget in there, because Denver's
in the seventh spot right now.
Oh, I'd love to see Cincinnatiget in there right now Because
to me, I think, they're one ofthe hottest teams in the NFL
right now.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm pretty sure any team will tell you that's
probably one team that nobodywants to face in the playoffs is
Cincinnati, Because we knowthey've been struggling on
defense man, but their offenseis pretty high-powered man
they're.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But their offense is pretty high-powered man they can
put 40 up in the games.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Their offense is very scary.
Like I said, I don't thinkanybody wants to play them right
now.
I mean, people found outThey've knocked off Pittsburgh.
I haven't looked at their lastfew games, but they've been
there on a five-game winningstreak, Shit Pittsburgh's on a
four-game losing streak goinginto the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Oh, so they lost that game last night.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
I didn't stay up for that one.
Yeah, they did, yep, but yeah,man, the Bengals man, they're
playing some hot ball right now.
Man, and we all know Joe Burrowleaves the league in passing
but like the defense sucks.
That's why he's got so manypassing yards, but Joe Burrow's
still the top five quarterbackin this NFL.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Big Burrow, he's leading the league in passing.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Well, he's leading the league in passing.
He's leading the league inpassing.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
What he's only thrown .
I think nine.
He threw one yesterday, so ninetotal.
I mean we can sit here and saylike, oh, it's just because they
play from behind.
But honestly, the Bengals pass,that's all they do.
They barely run the ball theydo pass.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
They have a good running back that they can get
into minutes with Chase Brown,but a lot of Joe Burrow's yards
this year has come from themplaying from behind a lot Well
yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Tony, you put him over Patrick Mahomes.
Would you rather him or Mahomes, on the Dallas Right now?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, Burrow is balling, but no, I'd take
Mahomes.
I hate Dub.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Would you?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
rather have Lamar on Dallas or Burrow.
Oh man, that's tough.
I like both of them.
I mean, gee, that's tough.
God, I'd take Burrow as one.
Lamar seems to choke in bigmoments.
I mean I'm being honest, hedoes, but this is we're talking
about right now.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Who would you rather have Burrow?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
over slightly over.
Jackson's got to win the biggame, man.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I'm going to have to.
Burrow hasn't won the big game.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well, I'm going to have to disagree with Tony
because, like Burrow's beenthere.
If you look at Lamar playingthis year, it almost looks like
a video game.
So the game has actually reallyreally slowed down a lot for
Lamar man.
So it'll be interesting to seeif he still plays at a video
game level when the playoffscome through.
That's what I'm, yeah, but whatI've been seeing all year from

(12:41):
Lamar dude his IQ has gotten waybetter.
He's reading defenses a lotbetter man.
He's putting balls where onlythe receivers can get it.
I mean, he's showing me likeit's a different Lamar than the
Lamar that we've seen in the olddays throughout the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
I think Lamar has grown as aplayer and he's just
unbelievable to watch Josh Allenor Burrow.
What I'm getting at is, in thebig moments he hasn't came
through Like usually.
He plays like his worst games.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Do you want Josh Allen or Burrow?

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Man.
But here's my thing.
I'm going, allen, with thosebig moments that you're talking
about in the playoffs, the yearsthat he got bumped out of there
, he really didn't have anyweapons.
Now he's got an arsenal ofweapons around him.
Man, we got Bateman playing ata high level.
Flowers, hopefully flowers isokay.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, he's definitely got, because he whipped that
knee yesterday.
But what's his biggest weapon?
Lamar Jackson, his legs, ofcourse.
So a lot of times in theplayoffs, that's what makes him?
Dominant.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
To me in the-, but he's never had somebody like
Derrick Henry.
Now he does Exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
They might dominate.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
So he could prove me wrong.
I'm just saying he hasn't won.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I mean and I know some- people they'd be like oh
well, he has Derrick Henry,that's Chico.
But I'm like, if you look atthe history, everybody that wins
.
They had a squad Like Aikmanhad Emmitt and Irvin.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, that's.
That's what I'm getting, Joe.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Montana had Jerry Rice, ronnie uh Roger and.
John Taylor and all of them.
Everybody has a squad, andthat's how you win football.
I like basketball.
You need to squad to Dwayne,and then they turned around and
gave him two.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's the ultimate team sport.
But then they gave him two goodreceivers in Bateman and
Flowers.
But they got to learn the game.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Those still ain't, even though Flowers made the Pro
Bowl, those still ain't.
Top 20 receivers none of them,not in my eyes.
No, they're not.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I don't think so who Flowers?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, they're not top 20.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You don't think he's a top 20 receiver in the league?
No, but I'll tell you who hastwo top receivers.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Burrow who.
No, I believe he's a top 20receiver, but his consistency
level is just not there.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
We're not going to go down the line, because 20 is a
lot, but trust me when y'allstart thinking about the Jamar
Chases and Justin Jefferson andall of them, you're going to be
like and the numbers are goingto keep going.
I'm like shit, he ain't betterthan DeAndre Hopkins, he's not
better than Devontae Adams, andyou're going to keep going on
and on.
I'm like, yeah, it's close.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Well, I disagree.
He's better than Hopkins.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Like now yeah, I love Hopkins.
He's one of the all-time greatsI love.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Hopkins, I love.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Hopkins, but his age is catching up a little bit,
right.
So Zay yeah, but I love DeAndreHopkins.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, deandre's a freaking beast man Like.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So who do you feel is coming out of the AFC.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Well, who did the Dolphins play in?
New York Jets, yes.
So who do y'all got winningthat game?
Wayne, you have Jets right.
I think the Jets will win.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
The.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Jets and Dolphins game.
I'm going to have to take theJets because the Dolphins don't
play good in cold weather and Idon't think two is playing today
, so that game's up here.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
The Dolphins don't play good in cold weather, and I
don't think two was plannedtoday, so that game's up here.
Yeah, that game's up top.
But you're right, the Dolphinsdon't win in cold weather.
It's like no, but it's likebelow what.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
It's some crazy statistic and the Jets would
love nothing more than to be toend their season with a
highlight of knocking outDolphins.
So they don't make it becausethey're from the same conference
.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah it's so crazy where the Dolphins can't win
when it's below 40 degrees.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
So we're all projecting or predicting that
the Dolphins win.
I mean that Jets win.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, I think the Jets win, just because it's in
New York, so the Dolphins areout.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
The other one is Denver and.
Denver wins their end.
So who do they play?
The Raiders, the Raiders, Ibelieve.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Where at?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Where do they play them at Is?

Speaker 4 (16:46):
it Denver or.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oakland or Vegas.
Let me look that up real quickRaiders have won two in a row.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
They're playing in Vegas and the Raiders play the
Chargers bro.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So who's playing Denver?
Who plays the?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Chargers, the Chargers and the Raiders are
playing.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Oh, who's Denver playing?
So the Raiders could win it,because the Chargers are on you.
Denver's playing Kansas.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
City, but Denver's playing them in Denver.
Denver plays.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Kansas City.
Yep Kansas City's not going toplay Mahomes in them because
they've already got first placeright, or what if they lose?
If they lose, can Buffalo takefirst?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
No, buffalo's already got three losses.
They're 13-3.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
So the Chiefs are going to sit Mahomes and Kansas
City.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
I mean, if they're smart, I would, because they
already have the first round bylocked up at home field.
Oh, they will, they will playthe whole game.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
So who comes out of that?
Because Denver's got to win tomake the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
So Denver's going to beat them?
Is it in Denver?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
It's actually in Denver.
I'm going to take Denver inthis game today.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
But sometimes you get that where it's a division foe,
you want to knock them out, somaybe the Chiefs, just the
Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Might be like let's just play Mahomes in the first
quarter, get two touchdowns andthen let's go.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
That's a tough one, but shoot.
It looks like.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
But Denver's defense is lit.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, it's very lit.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
And they got two good corners, man, they got a good
front.
Seven.
That's what's kept Denveraround, man, for this little
playoff.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, they got Pro Bowl starters on their team
because they're nice, they'redefensive.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
I mean not to take anything from Bo Dix and
Cortland Sutton because they'vebeen balling on the offensive
side, but Denver's really therebecause of their defense, like
Chris said.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So Denver wins their end.
So then we lock Denver intothat last playoff seed in the
AFC.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And with that being said, though, Chris, I'm not
going to out throw one name outthere for defensive player of
the year from Denver.
That's Patrick Sertain.
Yeah, he's a beast.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I like that, so you remember his dad.
Oh hell yeah, come on now.
His dad was nice when we wasyoung.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
That explains why Patrick turned out the way he
was Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
All right, so another— but there's still
seeding implications today.
Like the Chargers can switchseeds, the Steelers can switch
seeds, but they're both in theplayoffs already.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, man, it's crazy man, because because like
Seattle's 9-7, but they'realready eliminated and they play
the Rams today.
We need the Rams to lose, sothat's interesting.
So the Rams did, they did.
They beat Seattle both timesthis year well then they don't

(19:36):
play.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Seattle.
I don't believe so, I thinkthey split.
You think they believe so, Ithink they split, you think they
split.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I think they split.
That's interesting becauseSeattle is 9-7, all right, and
the Rams are 10-6.
So if Seattle beats them today,they've got the same problem.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
But Seattle's out, but Seattle's already eliminated
, so the Rams must have sweptthem they had to.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
They're already eliminated.
Or just a better division,that's what they go by.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
First division record so we'll be rooting for, we'll
be rooting for Seattle in thatgame.
The Washington Commanders fans.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Chris and Wayne, I'll say this.
It's like so AFC teams thathave already clinched, they're
in.
Regardless, it's Kansas City,they're the one seed.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, let's start from conference.
Let's start from conference toconference.
We'll go east, north, southwest first.
So we'll do the east.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Well, I'm just saying who's clinched right now.
Right Like to predict thesegames, like Baltimore's already
in.
Yep, houston Texans areclinched.
Yep, the Steelers and the.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Chargers.
But they haven't clinched theirseeding, the Steelers or the
Chargers.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
They can flip-flop.
Yeah, their seeding.
They just clinched a playoffwin.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I know.
So I'm wondering how, what'sthe actual who wins?
Who gets what seed?
Because you know, what I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
All right, I'm trying to give you these scenarios.
I have it up, all right.
So the Steelers how they canclinch the fifth seed.
The Chargers have to lose tothe Raiders.
Okay, the Pittsburgh couldclinch the fifth with a win.
So they didn't win, they lost.
But now they must waitch thefifth with a win.
So they didn't win, they lost.
But now they must wait for theoutcome of that game, so they

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will clinch the fifth.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, the Eagles can get as high as five Tony's right
, yeah, all right.
And as low as six.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
There's only two what they have to have.
They did their job last night.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
They beat Pittsburgh, so they need a Denver loss to
Kansas City and a Miami losswhich Miami probably will lose,
and if Kansas City sits theirstarters, that might screw
Cincinnati, because Denver couldpossibly win that if they sit
their starters.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
If Denver wins their end and they're locked into what
number?
Seven, yeah, so Denver wins.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So Denver controls their own.
They win or tie, they're in andthey're locked into.
What number?
Seven, yeah, so Denver winsseven.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
So Denver ever controls their own.
They win or tie, they're in.
So the five and six seed isinteresting because it's between
the stealing and chargers anddepending like on, like Tony
said, the outcome of wins andthat one game, yeah, that will
fluctuate, whereas the Steelersgo five or six and same vice
versa with the charge and therest of the teams we're talking
about, like Miami, has aDolphins and Quincy playoff
where there's a win and a Denverloss.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
The Steelers control their destiny over the Chargers
right.
If the Steelers win, they getthe fifth Steelers lost last
night.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
They lost last night.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So the.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Steelers need help today.
They need the Chargers to lose.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I just said that they need the Chargers to lose to
get the fifth seed.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
But here's the thing, and the Chargers play the
Raiders, and I don't see thathappening.
No, I don't.
The Raiders will win.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, I like the Chargers to beat the Raiders.
But what's interesting is soChargers would go to five, which
is what they would want,because then you go to Houston
compared to Steelers.
If you finish sixth, going towho?
The Ravens.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But what's the point?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
No, no, no.
But the Steelers also know theycan't beat them and it's a
divisional game.
But yeah, that is interesting,the Chargers pretty much control
their own destiny.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
They just got to win.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, the thing is like I just said they've
clinched, though Do they resttheirs, they already know
they're in Nah.
But the bench, though, do theyrest theirs?
They already know they're inNah, because they're already in.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I agree with Chris.
Would you rather play Texans inHouston or against Lamar and
Derrick in Baltimore?

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Exactly, I mean true.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
But I'm not sitting my starters.
I'm with Chris.
I'm throwing the question out.
All right, wait.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
No we get it.
We get it.
Yeah, we're asking you.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Which do I mean?
I'm playing the wind.
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
My thing is I don't want to face another like a
division opponent your divisionrival right and, to play like to
me, knock them out like thechiefs playing.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
God, there's so big a chiefs are playing who the
broncos like to me.
I'm going out like, hey, I wantto win it because I don't want
to see the broncos in thefreaking playoffs, I want to
knock them out, which is why Isaid maybe the chiefs play my
homes in them first quarter andthat's what get some lead.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah so, but that defense is so good.
It ain't gonna be easy just tojump a hit up like that oh yeah
they're one of the top defensesand the chiefs haven't been
blowing nobody out like thatthis year.
They figured out how to wingames, which is that you can't
knock that day.
I don't care if they've onlywon 10 of their games by three,
five points.
They've won them.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, they win, they pull it out.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
That's the key, and me, honestly, houston, sitting
at that four seed.
They're really not, in my eyes,a four seed, bro, they started
out hot this year.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
But see, that's why I said to you guys.
That's why they got that fourspot.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah, but that's why I said to you guys off camera so
the NFL needs to come up with anew theory, man, okay, don't
take nothing away fromdivisional winners.
Give them an automatic playoffberth.
But once all the berths aresolidified, then you realign it
based off of records, because mepersonally, I don't think

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Houston deserves a four seed,and we can talk about that over
in the NFC here in a minute.
Like the Vikings you know whatI'm saying Between the Vikings
and the Lions, one of them aregoing to have to go on the road
for a playoff game ProbablyTaylor, you know what I'm saying
.
And so we're like punishingteams for playing great
throughout the regular season tohave a road game.

(25:21):
You know what I'm saying.
So it's not making sense.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I can see that I never thought of that.
So you still don't punish thedivision, but then, once the
seeding comes, you just go offtheir record.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
That's what I'm getting at.
That's how you seed the teamsbaseball for record-wise.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, we give them a berth because they won their
division.
But just because you're 9-7don't mean you get a three seed.
But then I'm all for at the endof the day.
Then scratch the NFC East, theAFC East stuff, just NFC AFC.
Those top seven teams go yeahsame theory.
Sometimes, like the Rams andSeattle and them, they've won
their division at like 7-9before, when we had 16-game
season and, like you said, andthere's a team that could have
won 10, 11, 12 games, but theydidn't make it.

(26:03):
Right, yeah, they've got to snubout the playoffs so that's why
I'm like, but then it would comeback to people oh, the history
man, our division, nfc East, orwhatever.
Like we understand it, but manseven best records in, and
that's it Roll.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I keep using the Vikings, for instance, man.
They've had a great season thisyear, man, but they're probably
going to have to go on a rollin the first round they should
dominate, but at the end of theday Tampa Bay can put up points,
but we all know, playoffatmospheres are different.
When you go on a road into asomebody else's stadium, the

(26:44):
atmosphere is completelydifferent.
It's louder, like you justdon't have that home field
advantage.
You know I'm saying butminnesota should have that whole
field advantage, because whatare they?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
13 and 3, could be 14 , yeah, so they're.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
They're both 14 and 2 .
14 and 2.
My fault.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
14 and 2 right 14 and 2, one my fault.
Yeah, 14-2, right, 14-2.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
One of them is going to finish 14-3, which is a
better record than anybody elsedamn near in the league besides
the Chiefs and maybe Detroit orMinnesota.
One of them are going to have15.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Right, so the NFL has got to look into that man, Like
it's kind of wrong, You'repunishing great teams for
playing well.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, I totally agree.
I've been saying it for yearsJust put the best six, seven,
however many you got in the playgo by record, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And then, if you look at it, then if they don't want
to do that, okay, so the Bucsfinish fourth and just say
Minnesota finishes fifth, butthat game still gets to be in
Minnesota because they have abetter record.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Right, right, true, yeah, and I pick that as my game
of the week Lions versusVikings today.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, it definitely is.
Yeah, they both have to win toget first.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's a lot at stake exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Can you imagine saying that you've won 14 games
this year and you've still gotto play hard in the last game
just to win?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
right.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And then be like well , our opponent also won 14 games
.
That don't happen like that.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I don't ever remember two teams in the same division
having that good a record.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
The top two teams in the same division.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
But they have to battle hard in the last game of
the season too.
I got Detroit, it's in Detroitand I'm not going to lie to you.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
man Like no, I think that game's in Minnesota, bro.
I looked that up.
But I'll move on to the NFC now.
No, chris is right, it's inDetroit.
So, since we're speaking to NFCteams, so speaking to the NFC
conference, already six teamshave clinched and this is all
your scenarios.
So Detroit's in, philly's in,minnesota's in, regardless,

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green Bay Rams and theCommanders.
So your scenarios today?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Who's that team?
You just said the Commanders,you know what the hell I just
said.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
So today, atlanta and Carolina play, so how the
Falcons can clinch is win, andthey need Tampa to lose.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I got Atlanta winning that game, but they need.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Tampa to lose, so Tampa plays New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I got Tampa winning that game.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
So in your eyes they're in, so they win.
They're in If they lose or anAtlanta loss.
I'll take it because Tampa'sone of our few losses this year,
so that's your two fighting forthat last for a playoff spot
Tampa and Atlanta, yeah, but wegot to honestly sit here and
think okay, the third and fourthseed will definitely be wrapped

(29:36):
up between the Falcons, theRams and the Bucs.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Now you're going to sit here and tell me, out of
those three teams, they'rebetter than the Lions and the
Vikings.
See, this is where I'm goingback to that theory of they need
to reseed this stuff, man.
So out of that Vikings andLions game, if you win, you're
the number one seed, if you lose, you drop down to five.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yes, Yep, Like that's crazy.
Do they drop to the six or isit lower than that?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
No, it's a bit.
They'll go to the fifth.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
So they'll either get the one or the fifth yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
One or the five.
Which will put the commandersat a higher seed than either one
of them.
Because see?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
what's the?
Well, no, no, my bad, my badsix or seven, because what's so
funny is the top four aredivision winners, automatic
right.
All right, then.
Once it gets to the wild, thelast three, but then they go by
record for the wild card spots.
Why?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
so it's like, it's like the format, because they're
like you when you divisionthat's how it's always been
they're going to say that youautomatically get in, so those
four in, and then who's thethree next best records?
And that's what they do.
Yeah, but you're right as faras being like well, if you win
this, more games than the otherteam, but they'll be like well,

(31:01):
that know the Vikings, but westill don't even know who's one
seed.
On the last Sunday of the season, we don't know who's the one
seed that's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
The last scenario is Detroit and the Vikings Win,
you're number one seed homefield.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I got Detroit Lose you're the fifth seed.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's just a bugle.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I have Detroit.
It's at home.
They're hungry and their coachis amazing he's going to have
them, boys, fired up.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Hey.
Vice versa with the Vikings,though Team is good, they got a
great coach.
Hey, man.
This is why this is a game ofthe week.
Man.
This is what we look for everySunday.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Man games and matchups like this, so who gets
in in your eyes?
We know Detroit, Minnesota.
Who gets in Tampa or Atlanta?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
I'm going to say Tampa.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Because they're going to play the bum-ass Saints.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I'm going to tell you right now I would not want to
see Atlanta in the playoffs bro.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
They don't deserve to be there.
Oh, I thought you said youwouldn't want to see them.
I don't want to watch them as aplayoff team because they suck.
Oh yeah, they're tooinconsistent.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
The Saints might do what they're good at and rally,
and they're going to rallybehind that killing and stuff
that happened on New.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Year's Eve, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
True, true they might rally behind that and be like
this is my fucking shit.
Like Big Pop and the Red Sox,they might feel it that energy
might be crazy.
Is it in New Orleans?
The Red Sox, they might feel itthat energy might be crazy.
Is it in New?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Orleans?
Is it in New Orleans, I believe.
So I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I want to say New Orleans, if it's in Tampa, it's
over, but if it's in New Orleans, man, they might really rally
on that.
No, it's in.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Tampa.
It's over, tampa wins.
Tampa needs to make it Because,to me, I love Baker Mayfield
and I've always liked him.
Browns are idiots getting ridof Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So your second seed we don't know the first yet
because it's that game of theweek but the second seed is
automatically Philly.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, yes, they locked up Automatically.
They already have their.
They're locked.
The rest of the seedings aren'tlocked.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
The third seed is no, it's not.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
If the Rams and the Bucs win, the Bucs become the
third seed.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yes, none of the other seedings are second and
the Rams are playing at Seattleand Wayne your question earlier.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
they've only had one game so far, november 3rd, and
the Rams won.
So if Seattle wins today,seattle should be able to make
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
No, they can't make the playoffs because they must
have been swept by the.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Rams they can't they play the Rams today?
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
The Rams are 1-0 against them, so I'm confused
about that If?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
they win today.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
If Seattle wins, they have the same record and they
would be 1-1 against each other.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Chris, to answer your question, these are the
seedings that are locked.
They won't move these teams.
Kansas City is the one seed inthe AFC.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
No, not the AFC NFC.
Well, I'm just, he's giving youa rundown.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm giving you a rundown.
Afc Kansas City is at the onespot, Buffalo is locked into the
two seed and Houston is lockedin at the fourth seed yeah, the
AFC.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
the top four seeds are already locked.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
No, no no, the third seed's not locked yet.
Yeah, ravens, because they hadwell as of this, it could either
be Baltimore, or which is it'sgoing to be, baltimore,
baltimore, look, it's rightthere.
Oh okay, I'm sorry, you musthave updated the.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Chiefs have the number at three and the Texans
are locked in at four, so five,six and seven is the only thing
that can function in the NFC Allright Mine is not updated, my
fault.
So what I have is NFC seedingsare locked.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But we didn't even finish with the scenarios
between the Rams, the commanders, like there's changes and who's
the other team, tampa Bay andstuff, because one of us can be
5'6", I mean 5'6", 7", so noneof us will be 5, but between the
Commanders, the Rams and theBucs, we can switch between 5, I
mean between 6 and 7.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, you guys can be .
The highest Washington you canget is a 6E.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Which means that we would go on the road to Green
Bay.
Yes, right, yep, because thescenario could be no, but we
want Green Bay to lose, then theRams to finish third, so we can
be sixth and we go to.
I'd rather play at the Rams.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
There's so much to keep up, but what can happen is
the difference.
Is, chris, what you're sayingis Washington can finish the
highest at the sixth and they'dhave to.
What they'd get?
A home rebate would come tothem.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, we wouldn't get a home.
What am I wrong?
The thing is, if we finishseventh, we automatically go to
Philly, but if we finish sixth,oh yeah, what about this?
If we finish third and we wouldeither go to, not St.
If we finish sixth, whofinishes third and we would
either go to, not St Louis?
What do they play now?
Los Angeles Rams or Green BayPackers?

(35:48):
I would definitely not want togo to Green Bay because it's
different than Lambeau.
I'd rather fucking go to StLouis or wherever the Rams play
at night.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
The commanders definitely want to succeed.
You don't want that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
seventh the seventh is going to Philly, which is a
rivalry game.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I mean, I think, either or I just keep it real
Commanders, or Green Bay canknock them off.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And we're one and one against Philly this year, and
the time they beat us was onlyabout six points.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
But as a commander fan, I would rather play the
Rams than Philly.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
But would you rather play in Green Bay or Philly?
If Green Bay gets third, we'reeither going back to Philly or
we're going all the way toLambeau Green.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Bay gets third, green Bay can't get third, they can't
get third.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Oh, they're fifth.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
They can only finish sixth or seventh.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's wild.
And see they have more winsthan us.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
And the reason being is because of the Vikings and
the lions being 14 and two, it'sso good.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Okay, yeah, that's wow you got that Cause.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
all right, chris, you get your division Like we said
it's.
It's either the Detroit orMinnesota.
In the one seed, philly'slocked into two.
The third seed is either goingto be probably the Rams or Tampa
, because they're going to be adivision winner.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Oh, so we definitely want the sixth, because we can
go to either one of them.
So then the fifth.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Like Wayne just said, the loser of the Minnesota to
Detroit is going to get thefifth seed, so we wouldn't have
to worry about Green Bay untilthe second round either.
So then that bumps you guysdown Washington and Green Bay
behind Minnesota the last twoseasons.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
But what I'm trying to understand is how Seattle is
already eliminated though.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
And if they beat the Rams today, they're tied.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
They're tied, though.
That's what I'm saying, andthey would be 1-1 against each
other.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
So maybe the Rams have been 4-0 in their other
division games and they have abetter overall record.
No matter what in the divisiontoday, it has to be divisional
record.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
It has to be man.
We'll check it out real quick.
Let's see Divisional record fortheir conference.
That's why, bro.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Division record.
That's why, bro yeah, they'vegot to be division after
division Division record theRams must have it locked.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Nah man, the Rams are 4-1 in their division.
Seattle is 3-2 in theirdivision.
So if they beat the Rams today,they will both be 4-2 in the
division.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
That's why I'm kind of Because it comes down to
probably head-to-head and allthat.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Head-to-head, they would be one and one they would
be one and one against eachother.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
If Seattle wins the game, I don't know, everybody in
the NFC is eliminated, but theRams Gotcha.
So I'm trying to figure.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
But do you want to see Seattle in the playoffs?
Anyway, I'm going to think out.
But do you want to see Seattlein?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
the playoffs.
Anyway, I'm going to think I'drather see the Rams.
You know, I think why Seattlegot eliminated is because the
NFC North has three teams in theplayoffs.
That's how Seattle gets bumpedout of the game.
Oh, because of that onedivision.
Yeah, you're right, because ofthat one division.
It has to be.
You know what I'm saying?
Because if they win today andthey're both tied, no matter

(39:07):
what, the Rams are automaticallyin bro.
Yeah, they're in.
Yeah, they can sit theirstarters today.
They are going to sit theirstarters.
I heard this morning that JimmyGaroppolo is going to be
throwing the ball for the Ramstoday.
Oh Lord, jimmy G, jimmy G isgoing to have a sighting today.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
All right guys.
So we got to move on All rightreal quick.
Who comes out of the AFC?
Who's in the Super Bowl?
I'll let Chris go first.
Who do you feel comes out ofthe AFC?
I'll let Chris go first.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Oh, I want to look at how it's going to be seeded,
Because if you say like, if youhave to play Ravens and Buffalo
to get there, that could be,tougher than if you have to play
somebody else.
Who is your pick?
To come out of the A.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
We'll do it like this , all right, so Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
We'll do it like this We'll make a pick today and
then on next week's podcast whenwe know the final season, then
we can switch it up.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I'm picking Lamar to shut the world up, including my
brother Tony, and say I'mgetting to the big game and
probably going to win it.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
All right.
So who's facing Baltimore?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Battle of the Beltway .
Baby oh, Surprised with Jaden.
Daniel, daniel, surprisingeverybody, you homer come on now
.
Hey, that's gonna surpriseeverybody.
This first rookie gonna takehis team to the big game.
But if I had to pick somebodybesides this, I want to pick
zeb's team.
I would love to see detroit getthere too all right.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
So, wayne, who do you have?
They've never been Super.
Bowl predictions right now.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
All right, so we all know that AFC's got probably
three of the top quarterbacks inthe league, possibly four.
We got Mahomes, you got Allen,you got Lamar, you got Burrow
and Burrow's not even locked toget in yet we want them to get
in Right.
I'm going to go ahead andeliminate the Bengals because of
their defense.
Right, I'm going to go aheadand eliminate the Bengals

(41:02):
because of their defense.
The Bills they keep on sayingthat Josh Allen is the MVP of
the year.
You know what I'm saying.
But we've got to stop andrealize also, josh Allen has a
running back that leads allrunning backs in touchdowns this
year, and James Cook with 14.
So, with that being said, ifthey don't get no help in
production out of that backfieldin Buffalo, they won't make it.

(41:24):
So, with that being said, thatleaves me with two teams the
Chiefs and the Ravens.
And I like the Ravens this yearto overcome that obstacle
because I believe LaBarra's gota lot more records, a lot more
weapons this year to pass thatball around to and coming out of
the NFC, it's going to be atough one.

(41:46):
Man, I like either the Lions orthe Vikings, but if I had to
pick today, I'm going to sayBaltimore versus Detroit.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
How's that Big?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Well, I'm still with my original.
I've said this a few weeks ago.
I'll just keep it short.
It's Buffalo and Detroit.
To me, if you have to gothrough Buffalo, they're the
second seed Right and Baltimorehas whoever.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But Buffalo would have to still go to Kansas City.
Maybe they don't know aboutbarbecue like that down there.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
But I don't think.
I think Kansas City getsknocked out.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
But here's the thing though.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's my big.
I think they're going to lose.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
But here's the thing they're not making the AFC
championship.
Tony might be one of some,because if Buffalo does end up
playing Kansas City out of everyAFC team, they're told whether
Buffalo has played Kansas Citythe best out of any AFC team.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
They beat them already this year.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
That's their only loss.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Exactly Hard to do it twice in one season it is my
homies, come out and be likelook, I ain't getting me this
time.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
But I just think it's going to catch up to Kansas.
What were we talking aboutearlier?
They played these close gameslike squeaking them out.
It reminds me of Minnesota thatone year when they were what's
it like a good right 14, likethey lost one or two games that
year, but they were what is mostpeople always talk about?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
all the analysts, the professionals and stuff.
Lamar can't win the big one,alan can't win the big one, blah
, blah, blah, blah right.
The reason being is because ofthat kid in kansas and their
team, Andy Reid, and them, thatkid Mahomes, no matter what them
close games I just told youabout, they figured out and
found ways to win every singleone of those I know.
So the reason Lamar and Joshdon't have any rings or nothing

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like that yet is because Mahomesalready got three of them
things.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, I'm just saying I'm piggybacking off what Wayne
said.
It's tough To me.
Playoffs is a differentatmosphere.
I understand Kansas City.
They've won.
I'm saying Lamar and Josh,they're not the same, they're
going to lose this is separatefrom that, though.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
But Lamar and Josh get hated on so much but I'm
like, but the dude in KansasCity won all of them damn near
Ben.
So like it's tough for thoseother two kids, man, I get it,
but they're fucking playing theteam.
That's just dynasty.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Well, to me, this is the year they get knocked off.
They're not making the SuperBowl.
They're not making the SuperBowl.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's going to be a couple of overballs, so I'd
rather see the Rebels in theSuper Bowl, but they can't do it
.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
You know what I mean.
I mean only time will tell man.
I mean you can never count,like Chris said, a guy that's
already got three four hours, oh, of course.
And another thing that you'vegot to take into consideration
also, tony is Kansas City'shealthy now?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, offensively, and defensively.
Is Pacheco back?
Isn't the Ravens?
All of them are back, all ofthem.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Pacheco.
All of them are back.
Okay, but isn't the Ravenshealthy in Buffalo?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
but they don't have Andy Reid, patrick Mahomes and
they don't have a team that'sbeen in four out of the last
five Super Bowls.
So that experience factor iscrazy.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I understand.
So you're saying and it has togo through Kansas City.
Every game I got to change yourpick there, because now you
make it sound like nobody'sgoing to beat Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
No, because pick there, because now you make it
sound like nobody's going tobeat Kansas City.
It's a tough road, though Ican't understand, because every
game has to come.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Lamar finally gets out that, oh, he can't win it,
as you think.
Josh Allen is going to finallyhave that year.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
He can't win it.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's close, I think, lamar having Derrick Henry this
year will be the X factor.
That dude, just hand that dudethe rock when y'all need to just
shut the rock, run the clock,just take the toe on the other
defense.
Chris Jones and them going tohave to bring a whole lot to Mr
Derrick Henry that ain't easy.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
And then, once you get focused in on Derrick Henry
a lot man then you forget aboutplayers like Flowers, andrews
likely Lamar's got some weapons.
Andrews is an over-reliable cutand if you've noticed, man, the
Ravens have been playing a lotof double tight end sets.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Man and Tony, how hard is this for defenses?
I'm about to hand the ball tothe left to Mr Derrick Henry.
You're going to have six toeight people ready to go.
Oh my God, it's Derrick Henry.
We've got a gang tackling andthen Lamar just whoop the other
way.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
See you, bootleg.
Well, that's a thing Straightbootleg.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Well, it's read option is what they run Of
course, but not if you have aprofessional running back.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, it's like you've got to be careful.
Well it's.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Saquon too, but you know what I mean.
That's tough.
Yeah, we're lucky as fans ofother teams that he don't have
him, a CD Lamb, a JustinJefferson or somebody If he had
one of them kind of guys, oh manit would definitely be over.
Baltimore's got two.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Lamar, if he would have a receiver like one of the
greats.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But if they ain't Flowers.
It's nice man.
He ain't Justin Jefferson andCD Lamb and Chase.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
They're like you're naming, like the top three wild
receivers in the fucking league.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Okay, and look at their quarterbacks though, so
we're looking at.
If he had one of those weaponsnow, it would be super ugly,
lamar ain't never had one You'renot giving.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Zay.
Enough credit.
Zay's a good receiver man.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
He's not a number one , true number one.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I get what Chris said .
He's not that solidified truenumber one.
You got to think about it likethis, tony True number ones,
like the names that Chris hasbeen saying they still get their
money.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
They didn't think CD was a true number one.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yes they did?
They drafted him with that.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
No, they did.
But a lot of people were saying, because of his size is CD
truly a number one wide receiver?
And he had to prove it.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
They're not asking that now Go back.
That's what I'm saying.
So I'm saying the same thingabout Zay Flowers.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I'm taking up for Zay Flowers.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I think he's nice.
So you trade CeeDee Lamb andtake Zay Flowers.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
No, I'm just saying you are giving the boy enough
credit for how good he is.
He's good good, he's not thatguy you're like he ain't a top
20 wide receiver dude, he's not.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
He's top 10 elite in the league.
I don't go all about stats whenpeople do that, because there's
the eye testing.
Everybody has differentoffensive lines, different
offensive coordinators,different quarterbacks.
That makes a whole debateeverybody.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
There are fans out, there is zay flower is a top 10
wide receiver and I give give ussome feedback.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Please give us feedback, because I always go
off of numbers.
Don't lie, you know what I'msaying.
Like you're never going to seethis out of Chase or Jefferson.
Like week four, Zay Flowers hadone catch for 10 yards.
Week seven, against the Bucs,he had one catch for 11 yards.
Week 11, versus Pittsburgh, hehad two catches for 39 yards.
And previously let's see holdon At Cleveland yesterday, he

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had one catch for 12 yards.
And the week before againstHouston, he had two catches for
31 yards.
That's not a true number onereceiver.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
But is that more?
Is that Zay's fault, or is thatmore the offense?

Speaker 4 (48:38):
No, it's Zay's fault, because in all those games that
I named he still got histargets.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, but, tony, that's why I just told you that
I don't always go straight offstats, because there's
differences depending on whatsystem and schemes you're in,
and that.
But he's not no top ten, areyou crazy?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
No, in my eyes he is.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
He is a top ten wide receiver in the NFL, and this
year he's only had five100-receiving yard games.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Five.
We can do 10 real quick.
Tony, You're not taking himover CD?
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I know that I'm defending the young man.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
I mean the boy he made the Pro Bowl.
I'm going to defend Tony.
Yes, he's a top 20 receiver.
Is he a true number?
No, he said top 10.
No, I'm not going to agree withyou on top 10.
I'll say top 20.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
We're going to come out with our top 10 in the NFL
and let's see if I have ZayFlowers, I might take these
words back.
I might be like, oh shit, Iforgot about this guy.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
I mean, but we got tight ends that is playing
better than Zay.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
We're saying receivers, though, if Nico
Collins got hurt this year he'soutside of the top 20 stat-wise.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, he hurt, he got hurt.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
But I agree with Chris.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
He still made trouble , don't he?
He did.
And then that Nico's nice.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's what I'm saying.
He's higher than Zay Flowers tome, so to me is it All of A's
higher than?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Zay Flowers.
Oh yeah, nico.
Yeah, nico Collins, I said top10.
I didn't say top five, nico'snot top five.
Oh, that's tough Nico's nice,nico's not top five.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
yet Dude, justin, jefferson and Chase.
They're number one and two, nomatter what right, of course, Of
course.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Oh, your top three is Lamb, Jefferson and Chase.
Those are your top three, rightoff the rip.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
They ain't better than McLaurin.
Shit Not those three.
I'm talking about fucking Nicoand them.
They're not better thanMcLaurin.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
McLaurin made Pro Bowl time.
Look at McLaurin.
I love McLaurin too.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
He's playing with a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
I can make an argument about that final third
spot for the top three.
Yeah, tony always wants to.
You know, rat on his Cowboyswith CD, but we can't leave St
Brown out from Detroit bro.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, we always forget about him.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
He's beast and he plays with a dude named Goff,
and he ain't no Mahomes in them.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
But I can give Tony 10 receiver names right now that
are better than Flowers, rightnow.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
that are better than flowers right now.
Aj Brown, Are you ready?
Tony AJ Brown.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
I'm going to go Chase one, jefferson two.
I'm not giving you the order,I'm just giving you 10 receivers
, just name and names.
So Chase Jefferson, cd St Brown, that's four.
Aj Brown Five.
Puka Dekua, six.
Aj Brown, puka Dekua.
Nico Collins, dk Metcalf Notgoing off of numbers, going off

(51:32):
of receiving Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
That's eight, Real quick.
What did Tyreek Hill and DKMetcalf do this year?
What does DK?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
say I'm not going off do this year.
What does DK Metcalf do?
I'm not going off of thisyear's stats, I'm going off of
just strictly.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I put Tally above those, not above Hill Zane's
better than DK.
What has DK Metcalf done?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, I'll put it to you like this.
I would rather have DK thanfucking anybody besides Justin,
jefferson and Chase.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Give Lamar a DK and send Zay to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah, DK's going to be way up there.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Like Tony, I get what you're saying.
You love your flowers.
You like to hand them out toeverybody.
That's it.
He's not the true number one.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Flowers is nice he's nice Tony.
Dk's a different specimen.
Yeah, if he ever gets a realquarterback, it's over.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
You don't even have a 1,000-yard season this year In
17 games.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
We get that, we get that.
But then you got to startthinking about players that were
injured, why they didn't gettheir stats.
Like, I'm going to tell youanother name out there.
That's way better than.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Zay Flowers and that's T Higgins.
Yep, they got two number ones.
Okay, top 15.
Top 15?

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I'll give it to you.
I'll give it to you.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Maybe it was a strip.
Hey, hours away from Flowershe's good, but is he a top 10?
No, all right.
Top 10 receivers are consistent, bro.
Those are the receivers that goout there, no matter whether
they win a game or they lose it.
You look at that box score theystill got good numbers.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
What about Mike Evans ?
Mike Evans is another one.
He's a beast.
This guy's done somethingnobody else has done since he
started his career.
Well, this is a debate aboutreceiving.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
for another week We'll make a list or something.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, we don't have to, because statistic-wise, tony
Mike Evans right now is 28th inthe league.
We know why he's 28th becausehe had injuries.
Oh, I do.
You know what I'm saying.
So injuries have a lot to dowith people's numbers.
That's what allows certainplayers to make Pro Bowls
because of their numbers.
Oh, of course.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, yeah, we all know that.
It's all numbers.
It's like the MVP is just well,that's a popularity contest.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Right, Okay, Tony.
What about Debo?
What if Debo had a consistentquarterback?
Moving on?

Speaker 4 (53:56):
from this.
I'm over Debo.
Debo's falling off man.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, debo, I'm with.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Wade, debo got some other stuff off the field going
on.
You're dressing like a girl.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I don't know man Debo has not been showing up here
lately.
Debo is the Dwight Howard ofthe NFL bro.
He's not been talking aboutconsistency.
There's no consistency withDebo Samuel At all At all.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
And I'm going to throw one more name out there,
just because he's from the AFC.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Is Flowers better than George Pickens?
After watching George Pickenslast night, I'd say yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
George Pickens was dropping everything.
But Pickens and Flowers.
Pickens and Flowers, they'rekind of even to me.
Yeah, dude Pickens was droppingeverything last night Because
of the same right, though I'drather have Lamar than Russell
Wilson right now.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Oh yeah, of course.
But I'm just saying, and forthe first four or five games,
Don't blame Russell Wilson forthat fucking loss last night,
because Russell was droppingdimes and flowers Pickens at
least four that I can think of.
Right now he's dead in hishands and dropping them.
So don't blame Russell.
He was putting the shit on themoney and even Andrews had a big

(55:08):
drop.
It was what the end of the game.
When they needed to get thatfourth down, he was right in the
hands.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
If I was Washington and I could choose between Zay
Flowers and Marvin Harrison Jr,I'd take Marvin Harrison, oh no.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I would Not hating on Flowers.
I just look at the A lot oftalent in the league.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
If I had to choose one of them, right now I'm
taking Flowers, flowers isshorter we got to move on, man,
because we got to get intofootball today.
So you know what's coming now,man.
It's your boys' favorite partof the show.
Oh, wayne's pickle, it'swayne's pickle, let's get it all
right let's hear it.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
So today.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I'm ready, I'm writing them down today's the
huge day, all playoffimplications today ratting on
wayne, y'all put your money uphey, ain't no eight legs today.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I'm doing every game today, baby, let's go every game
.
We're taking the titans or no?
We're not taking the Titans.
We're taking the Texans overthe Titans.
Can I ask?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
you something?
What's up?
Can you put a little predictionof your score for those games?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
No.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Since it's the final week.
It's the final week.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Too many games for me to predict the scores.
Man 34 to 20.
To get back to our viewers,when the playoffs start I'll
start predicting scores, becauseit's fewer games.
There's too many games for meto be given on every score.
So we'll do Texans over Titans,we'll do Falcons over the
Panthers, we'll do a must-wingame for the Buccaneers over the

(56:34):
Saints.
The Bills beat the Patriots ina close one, believe it or not.
I'm going to take the Coltsover the Jaguars.
I'm taking my commanders overTony's Cowboys today, taking the
Eagles over the Giants, evenwithout Eagle starters I think
that was a fluke last week fromNew York Giants.
I'm taking the Packers over theBears.

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I'm going to take the Seahawksover the Rams today only because
the Rams are not going to playno starters.
I'm going to take the Jets overthe Dolphins because Dolphins
don't play well in cold weather.
I'm taking a must-win for theBroncos over the Chiefs in
Denver today because I believethe Chiefs will sit their
starters.

(57:15):
I'm going to take the Chargersover the Raiders in a must-win
game for the Chargers49ersardinals don't nobody
really care about that game, butI'm going to take the Cardinals
over the 49ers.
I'm going to take the Lions ina close one of the game of the
week over the Vikings.
I'll predict that score for youit's going to be 37-34 Detroit.
That's a shootout and that'llwrap up the games for Sunday.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
So Wayne, according to you, with all these wins,
this is the playoff scenario.
Lions clinched the one seed andVikings are the fifth.
Yep.
You said the Bucs will win, sothey're in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Yep, Atlanta gets eliminated today, even though
they win.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, so Atlanta will be eliminated according to
weight.
So Bucs will make it and Denvermakes the playoffs.
That's correct and knockout.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
The only reason why I'm saying Denver makes the
playoffs is because I don't seeAndy Reid playing his starters
man.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I get that.
I see that.
So then that means Cincy willbe knocked out in Miami.
Well, miami's already out.
I would think they could miamiankle.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Okay, well, great show fellas,and until next week.
You know everybody, chris,you're muted right now.
You're trying to say something,no, so all right, everybody,

(58:32):
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Speaker 3 (59:09):
Like I said, congrats to all three, all four of us.
He'll probably be on next week,but yeah, we're top five.
Okay, fellas.
All right, until next week.
Everybody stay safe and we'lltalk to everybody next Sunday
Later.
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(59:29):
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